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Title: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 14, 2019, 02:36:16 AM
So I received the Gerber Multi-Lock Trailrider today and have a dilemma. It is sealed in the original clamshell packaging. Which is not common to see with a Trailrider. BUT, that said, I am not very happy with the condition of the packaging. It is yellowed, has some broken edges, sheath compartment is squished inwards and the packaging is quite brittle. The chances I would ever sell the tool are slim. It wouldn't be for any reason except an emergency. I only paid $118 for the tool, so I know I wouldn't lose money if I had to sell it without the packaging still on it.

The problem is that I know there are probably not many of the Trailriders still in the clamshells. And some collectors are absolutely fervent about a tool being in its' original packaging. I just don't think the poor state of the clamshell would be worth it for another collector to pay shipping(both ways with insurance) to swap a mint Trailrider(w/ sheath) for it. The tool has the beginnings of Gerber Spotted Fever as well(which I could likely remove now more easily than later).

I am feeling a little apprehensive about taking it out. For me, personally, I don't like clamshells. I prefer a tool that is less expensive without packaging most of the time(though I possess a large amount of tools with original boxes/sheaths/papers). Clamshells are just destined to become yellow and brittle. But, I do know that taking it out reduces the already low number, of Trailriders in the clamshell, by one more example.

I would be very grateful to read what other collectors have to say, knowing the situation.
Worth mentioning: If it gets removed, it would be removed respectfully by preserving the graphic clam card within the plastic.

Here are some photos of the tool in its' packaging. Note the damage on the corner, bottom, and sheath compartment. Also note the yellowing of the clear plastic.

(https://i.imgur.com/c2Rm1YY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/y2szDWQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nT8va1B.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/C2dOWtI.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/BAuCjog.jpg)


It will just be hanging on the wall until a verdict is reached.

(https://i.imgur.com/aVnd73Q.jpg)
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Nix on March 14, 2019, 02:57:02 AM
G-man, I'd like to see a poll attached to this thread.

"Open", "Do NOT open", etc......

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 14, 2019, 03:01:38 AM
You're right, Nix. That would have been a good idea.  :ahhh

I'll contact one of our moderators. :cheers:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Poncho65 on March 14, 2019, 03:17:47 AM
Poll added :salute: I am voting now :D
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 14, 2019, 03:18:21 AM
Poll added :salute: I am voting now :D
Many thanks, Poncho!  :salute:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Poncho65 on March 14, 2019, 03:20:43 AM
No problem :hatsoff:

I will say that I like the packaging and it is very cool  8) I would keep it for sure but I would have already liberated the tool from its confines  ;) :D
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: cody6268 on March 14, 2019, 03:56:30 AM
I voted to keep it in its plastic prison, mostly because the Trail Rider is truly rare, not uncommon as many others are.   But, if it were something more common (and if this model was more common) I'd rip it open in a heartbeat--I can't stand old, yellowed blisters.
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Nix on March 14, 2019, 04:09:57 AM
I voted to keep it in the original packaging.

It's a cool model. While the packaging is a bit yellowed and banged up, that packaging adds to the 'antique' quality of the whole presentation.

I'm not a collector, so my opinion isn't worth two cents, but that's my two cents. And I voted.  :D
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Mechanickal on March 14, 2019, 06:55:47 AM
Do not hang it from the wall! :ahhh

The plastic will become more brittle over time, which will cause the loop to break.

Your collectible tool will plummit to the ground and who knows how it'll come out of that accident :dwts:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Mechanickal on March 14, 2019, 06:56:59 AM
I voted to keep it in the original packaging.

It's a cool model. While the packaging is a bit yellowed and banged up, that packaging adds to the 'antique' quality of the whole presentation.

I'm not a collector, so my opinion isn't worth two cents, but that's my two cents. And I voted.  :D
I'm screenshotting this comment...
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 14, 2019, 07:15:18 AM
Thank you, everyone who replied so far. :salute:
It is helping with understanding why it needs to stay sealed. I just wish I could get a template of the hoof pick(since it doesn't have any complex grinds or shaping). I wouldn't mind making one for a donor 600. Would just need to find a Gerber awl to complete the Trailrider body-double. Believe me, it is hurting my OCD-tendencies for the Trailrider to be away from the other 600s in the watchmaker's chest. :ahhh

Nick,
I'll pop a couple of support pins under the bottom tomorrow. :)
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 14, 2019, 07:16:48 AM
Realized it was actually "tomorrow" and had to fulfill my promise of supporting the tool better. Weight is off the plastic bridge. The damage to the bridge was there before it got hung on my wall. :ahhh

(http://i.imgur.com/gYZahrc.jpg)

I would like to say something. It is so awesome to have such a wonderful place like MT.o, where MT collecting is taken seriously. Nobody I know around where I live gets it. Not even close.
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Steinar on March 14, 2019, 08:59:48 AM
I voted open, but do what feels right. When I buy something, I want to be able to fiddle around with it. Also, old, yellowed, brittle plastic is something I think by default should be disposed of responsibly and only very rarely guarded as a treasure.
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Poncho65 on March 14, 2019, 11:10:38 AM
Interesting arguments on both side as to why to open it or keep it closed :popcorn: I also get that no one around me collect MTs, plenty of knife collectors but they look at MTs differently :-\ I am totally cool with keeping it unopened as well but there was a poll....... So I voted :D The other way, so open it :whistle:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: magentus on March 14, 2019, 11:24:25 AM
I guess if you have it as a collectors item and aren't going to use it, then keep it in the packaging.  :cheers:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Fuzzbucket on March 14, 2019, 11:37:42 AM
If it's rare, then I'd be reluctant to open it.
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Fuzzbucket on March 14, 2019, 11:39:28 AM
Oh no! I think I've swung the vote... The pressure!  :ahhh
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Wspeed on March 14, 2019, 12:38:14 PM
Open it GLBM :pok:  :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Don Pablo on March 14, 2019, 12:46:31 PM
I accidentally voted open. :facepalm:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: magentus on March 14, 2019, 12:47:32 PM
I accidentally voted open. :facepalm:
You Pabloed the poll!    :ahhh
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: sawman on March 14, 2019, 12:55:19 PM
The only way to ensure it’s quality is to open it up, inspect it and while you’re at it maybe add a couple drops of oil.
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Don Pablo on March 14, 2019, 12:59:24 PM
You Pabloed the poll!    :ahhh
A snowball effect! :ahhh
Now everyone is voting for the option in the lead.
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Poncho65 on March 14, 2019, 01:25:28 PM
A snowball effect! :ahhh
Now everyone is voting for the option in the lead.

 >:D

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: AimlessWanderer on March 14, 2019, 01:31:35 PM
There's only one reason to keep it closed, and that's for the resale value, or in other words, the value of the tool to someone else. But how do you value it?

So...

If the reason that you own it, is so that you can sell it at a profit, then keep it closed. You know that once you open it, the potential resale value drops, and you cannot undo that action once you've done it.

If you haven't bought it with the intention of profiting financially, then will you enjoy owning this tool that you can't handle, as much as the other tools that you can? What gives you enjoyment from your collection, and will this tool being enclosed be able to deliver on that, the same way your others can?

I get no enjoyment from tools unless I use them. For me, it would be open it or sell it. That doesn't apply to you. You need to view it however you enjoy the rest your collection, and whether it is there as an investment, or as something you wanted to hold, clean, polish, or whatever..
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: ducttapetech on March 14, 2019, 01:34:16 PM
Open it, then use the hell out of it.
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Wspeed on March 14, 2019, 01:35:51 PM
It’s screaming to come out of the nasty packaging!!! :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 14, 2019, 02:07:40 PM
Thank you again for even more great input, gentlemen!  :cheers:

 :ahhh

In the event the vote goes open by the end of the poll, I've been brainstorming some ideas on how to do it. Such as a heated razor blade between the two clam halves. Very carefully going around. Allowing reclosure with a heated crimper later on. And, on another note, this thread alone would give the tool provenance. But, as mentioned, I have no intention of resale.  :ahhh
But, on the other hand, I'm still thinking, as well, that it may be the only known example left in a clamshell package, which makes it unique as a collection addition. :twak:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Aloha on March 14, 2019, 02:22:59 PM
I'd open it.  Keeping it in pristine packaging for collection purposes and possible future value makes sense.  This packaging is not pristine and opening it carefully would not damage the tool plus packaging value IMO.  The fact that you do not plan on selling it mean any future value is someone else's.  I ask myself if more pleasure is derived from holding a tool confined in packing or the tool itself having opened the package. 

It all came down to the condition of that packaging for my vote. 
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: SteveC on March 14, 2019, 04:20:17 PM
I voted open it up and enjoy it. How much will you enjoy it closed up ?

Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: CeHo on March 14, 2019, 07:40:46 PM
My vote: Don’t open

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 15, 2019, 01:34:51 AM
I'd open it.  Keeping it in pristine packaging for collection purposes and possible future value makes sense.  This packaging is not pristine and opening it carefully would not damage the tool plus packaging value IMO.  The fact that you do not plan on selling it mean any future value is someone else's.  I ask myself if more pleasure is derived from holding a tool confined in packing or the tool itself having opened the package. 

It all came down to the condition of that packaging for my vote.
Thank you, Aloha! That is kind of where I am at. But, knowing the rarity, I thought a thread would be in order. Nix's idea for a pole was great. I shall abide by the numbers as a gesture to the MT collecting community.

I voted open it up and enjoy it. How much will you enjoy it closed up ?
Thank you, Steve!
As eluded to above, all of this stems from the scarcity more than anything. If I hadn't mentioned the tool in the "what do we have on the way" thread, and not read gregozedobe's reasoning, I would have already opened it.

This pole should help make the decision, either way it goes, less daunting. And I know this isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but MT collectors are few, and extremely rare examples should not be taken lightly. I had some reservations about opening the MP700 that I thought was going to arrive sealed, but it had already been cut into by someone else, so the decision was easy on that one.

My vote: Don’t open
 :popcorn:
Thank you, CeHo!
You know I really appreciate the condition of the tools in your collection. But, that said, I don't collect at that high of a level usually. It is hard for me to envision perfection in my collection, factoring in my low income. I settle on imperfect examples quite often as a direct result. :ahhh

I will say that I really wish the Trailrider had only been sold in box packaging.  :ahhh
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: CeHo on March 15, 2019, 10:36:28 AM
Thank you, Aloha! That is kind of where I am at. But, knowing the rarity, I thought a thread would be in order. Nix's idea for a pole was great. I shall abide by the numbers as a gesture to the MT collecting community.
Thank you, Steve!
As eluded to above, all of this stems from the scarcity more than anything. If I hadn't mentioned the tool in the "what do we have on the way" thread, and not read gregozedobe's reasoning, I would have already opened it.

This pole should help make the decision, either way it goes, less daunting. And I know this isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but MT collectors are few, and extremely rare examples should not be taken lightly. I had some reservations about opening the MP700 that I thought was going to arrive sealed, but it had already been cut into by someone else, so the decision was easy on that one.
Thank you, CeHo!
You know I really appreciate the condition of the tools in your collection. But, that said, I don't collect at that high of a level usually. It is hard for me to envision perfection in my collection, factoring in my low income. I settle on imperfect examples quite often as a direct result. :ahhh

I will say that I really wish the Trailrider had only been sold in box packaging.  :ahhh

Hey, I think you collect on a very very high level with awesome items. It doesn’t matter if you open it or not - it’s a very rare tool in one of the best collections here  :cheers:

I know this hard decisions - I had an PST from 1991 with a box in the same condition.
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Huntsman on March 15, 2019, 12:44:52 PM
Interesting dilema
I personallly i) Don't like clamshells ii) Don't like tools I cannot fondle or even use !!
So open it is my vote.
Lots of great thoughts and advice here - And this is a real compliment to your MTo mates  :tu:
....... I shall abide by the numbers as a gesture to the MT collecting community.
- But don't do this ...... :pok:

Do what you want to do based on your collection/using/MT philosophy !
I guess unles you are genuinely 50:50 and need us to tip the balance  ;)
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Steinar on March 15, 2019, 12:59:11 PM
Do what you want to do based on your collection/using/MT philosophy !
I guess unles you are genuinely 50:50 and need us to tip the balance  ;)

In that case, I think he should flip a coin and then choose based on what he found himself hoping the coin would tell him to (and ignore the actual coin flip). Great trick to figure out what you really want.  :)
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Don Pablo on March 15, 2019, 01:17:38 PM
In that case, I think he should flip a coin and then choose based on what he found himself hoping the coin would tell him to (and ignore the actual coin flip). Great trick to figure out what you really want.  :)
:like:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 15, 2019, 02:26:04 PM
Hey, I think you collect on a very very high level with awesome items. It doesn’t matter if you open it or not - it’s a very rare tool in one of the best collections here  :cheers:

I know this hard decisions - I had an PST from 1991 with a box in the same condition.
Many thanks for the kind words, CeHo! :cheers:

Well said too! :salute:

Interesting dilema
I personallly i) Don't like clamshells ii) Don't like tools I cannot fondle or even use !!
So open it is my vote.
Lots of great thoughts and advice here - And this is a real compliment to your MTo mates  :tu: - But don't do this ...... :pok:

Do what you want to do based on your collection/using/MT philosophy !
I guess unles you are genuinely 50:50 and need us to tip the balance  ;)
Many thanks for the well stated reply and kind words, Huntsman! :cheers:

At this point, I am at 50/50. Well, more like 51/49. MT.o opinion has guided me through collecting mistakes and choices many times. Truth be told, I've only been collecting a few years and sometimes it helps to better understand certain aspects by reading what fellow collectors and/or user's personal philosophies are.  :)

In that case, I think he should flip a coin and then choose based on what he found himself hoping the coin would tell him to (and ignore the actual coin flip). Great trick to figure out what you really want.  :)
Great tip, Steinar! :cheers: :rofl:

Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: CeHo on March 15, 2019, 04:30:02 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Nix on March 15, 2019, 05:17:07 PM
I'm impressed by the strong voting trend to 'open' the Gerber.  Normally I'm in favor of using a tool, but in this case it just seems a bit more collectible to leave it in it's original state. It's going to be hard to go backwards, but it can always be opened later.

Still, I'd change my vote to 'open' if that seemed like more fun for you, G-man.  :tu:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 15, 2019, 06:16:16 PM
I'm impressed by the strong voting trend to 'open' the Gerber.  Normally I'm in favor of using a tool, but in this case it just seems a bit more collectible to leave it in it's original state. It's going to be hard to go backwards, but it can always be opened later.

Still, I'd change my vote to 'open' if that seemed like more fun for you, G-man.  :tu:

Many thanks, Nix! :cheers:
Very true about reversing any opening efforts. However, I've hurt my brain figuring out some ways to perfectly preserve the clamshell if the vote stays in favor of opening. I've got a buddy who sells vintage toys and knows a lot about opening/resealing plastic packaging. It is amazing how dirty some toys get while in certain plastic packaging and require extraction, cleaning, and repackaging. Wil be paying him a visit soon. :ahhh
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Wspeed on March 15, 2019, 06:19:02 PM
Good idea GLBM I hope that he can help you  :like: :tu:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: John Alexander on March 15, 2019, 11:27:14 PM
More than half of everything I own is still in its original packaging. It's a disease.
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: CeHo on March 16, 2019, 07:37:17 AM
More than half of everything I own is still in its original packaging. It's a disease.

:iagree: it’s a disease, and the love for the paperwork too
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Don Pablo on March 16, 2019, 01:36:18 PM
15 to 10.
And it was 6-6 before I accidentally voted for open. :facepalm:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Mechanickal on March 16, 2019, 04:01:02 PM
You Pabloed the voting AND the packaging! :twak:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 16, 2019, 04:27:55 PM
Packaging is already Pabloed with yellowness and cracked edges. So it wouldn't be like tearing into something pristine.
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: SteveC on March 18, 2019, 12:14:20 AM





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Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: SteveC on March 18, 2019, 12:16:59 AM





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Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: SteveC on March 18, 2019, 12:18:36 AM
 :D
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 18, 2019, 02:55:10 AM
Thank you for the subtle hint, Steve!  :rofl:

One of those two may be happening on Wednesday.
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: SirVicaLot on March 18, 2019, 03:00:35 AM
Open it, then use the hell out of it.

 :iagree: :like: But i am not a collector, so what do i know  :D
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 18, 2019, 03:45:17 AM
Thank you, Steve and SirVic! :cheers:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 21, 2019, 02:50:31 AM
My buddy was able to remove the tool with minimal visual impact on the clamshell. I'm very happy to see the Trailrider out of the packaging. The early satin finish is always better looking than the newer satin finish. Thanks to everyone who voted and took the time to offer a viewpoint!  :cheers:

It is a real beauty.

(https://i.imgur.com/wQEAvYz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/sdNso3T.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NyMa7wk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/X1pOOYr.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aMUiwUL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/JMJsQ5r.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/60YEXIP.jpg)

Clamshell will be stored with the other MT boxes and such.
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Mechanickal on March 21, 2019, 06:08:45 AM
:tu:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 21, 2019, 06:36:44 AM
:tu:
:cheers:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: magentus on March 21, 2019, 11:05:21 AM
Sweet - now go find a horse to practise on  :D
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Wspeed on March 21, 2019, 12:29:56 PM
Nice one GLBM glad that you got it out of its packaging  :cheers: :like:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 21, 2019, 02:14:04 PM
Sweet - now go find a horse to practise on  :D
Thanks, Mags! :cheers:

Nice one GLBM glad that you got it out of its packaging  :cheers: :like:
Thank you, W! :cheers:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: CeHo on March 21, 2019, 02:30:54 PM
A great tool  :like:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 21, 2019, 05:00:07 PM
A great tool  :like:
Thank you, CeHo! :cheers:

It has definitely become a jewel in the Gerber collection. I never even put it on my grail list, because I never thought I'd ever find one. Let alone an unused example with packing and papers. :)
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: SteveC on March 22, 2019, 04:36:58 PM
Nice !  It looks happy to be free  :D     
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: Nix on March 22, 2019, 05:19:10 PM
 :iagree:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 22, 2019, 06:49:56 PM
Nice !  It looks happy to be free  :D   
Thank you, Steve! :cheers:

I think I heard the Trailrider take a deep breath when it got out. :rofl:

:iagree:
Thank you, Nix! :cheers:
Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: sawman on March 22, 2019, 07:27:07 PM
No regrets!   It’s the only way to know for sure the condition of packaged item.

Rule #1 - Always open and inspect :tu:

Title: Re: To open, or not to open: that is the question
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 23, 2019, 01:04:02 AM
No regrets!   It’s the only way to know for sure the condition of packaged item.

Rule #1 - Always open and inspect :tu:
Thank you much, Sawman! :cheers:

The Trailrider, to me, looks 10x better out of that yellowed blister. Admittedly, I was worried the vote would go "do not open" and I'd have to leave the Trailrider hanging on the wall.  :ahhh

The really early Multi-Lock Satin finish has a sparkle to it that later Multi-Locks and MP600s don't have. Plus, and not least, how about that hoof pick? :woohoo: