No pic no club membership. :pok:Fine!
That's bad news Kev - Here's to a speedy and satisfactory outcome. :cheers:
Mine arrived today and it's going straight to Gerber for warranty. Pics to follow, but the problem is the plier head. The pivot point has way too much play, alignment is not good, and the cutters hit due to the play. Also the pliers won't close fully with the spare bit holder folded into the handle.
If this is Gerbers QC on their new flagship model I'm not impressed. I guess there's a bad one every now and then but I've never had this problem with a Leatherman and I have 14 of those.
Just checked out Gerbers warranty page, they haven't even got my country spelled correctly in the drop down, it should be United Kingdom, they have United Kingdon :facepalm:Lol! :facepalm:
Just checked out Gerbers warranty page, they haven't even got my country spelled correctly in the drop down, it should be United Kingdom, they have United Kingdon :facepalm:Lol! :facepalm:
I could just return it but I bought it from the MTO store so won't return it for a two reasons.
1. It is in Canada and I am in the UK, so it's just as quick for me to send to Gerber myself.
2. It's no bother for me to send it to Gerber myself. The MTO store is just getting off it's feet and I'm sure Grant has enough to deal with, with all of that. I'm sure he would want me to to send it back to him and knowing what he is like on here, will be upset that the tool is not 100%. But I'm going to send it to Gerber myself and sort it.
I'm disappointed in Gerber as it appears the alignment issue is at the machining stage for the plier pivot and it is at an angle as when I pull them into line the cutters crash into each other. That one should definitely have been spotted at the factory and there is probably a bad batch out there with the same issue.
Wow! You are correct! Somebody at Gerber was asleep during the QC session for your tool. ??? :twak: I am sure Gerber will take care of that for you though. I have never had to contact them for any reason, but have heard nothing but good stories about their warranty service. I just got one of these tools also, and I am going to look at it a bit later today to make sure mine is OK! It stinks when you get a new toy and it does not work!! :D
Great....now we have to wait 6 to 8 weeks plus however much longer it takes you to do the mod. C'mon Kev, sort it out! :D
Is it done yet kev?
Sorry to hear you had a rough time with it Kevin. It is a shame these issues were predictable from the moment these tools were released, without even needing to handle them.
I'm sticking with my prediction that these will be discontinued by 2019 at the very latest. However, I do hope you get a serviceable tool back, and you do manage to get some decent use out of it before the pivot wear renders it unusable again, or the investment cast parts fail. :salute:
Sorry to hear you had a rough time with it Kevin. It is a shame these issues were predictable from the moment these tools were released, without even needing to handle them.
I'm sticking with my prediction that these will be discontinued by 2019 at the very latest. However, I do hope you get a serviceable tool back, and you do manage to get some decent use out of it before the pivot wear renders it unusable again, or the investment cast parts fail. :salute:
Thank you :tu:
I'm guessing you're not a gerber fan
I just got one one of these, and it appears very solid. What are you basing this on? ???
Thank you :tu:
I'm guessing you're not a gerber fan
I am actually. I think I might still have more Gerbers than Leatherman. Big fan of the MP400, MP600, Diesel and even the much maligned Dime.I just got one one of these, and it appears very solid. What are you basing this on? ???
25 years in mechanical engineering, and a lot of experience with the Gerber MP700. I have a thread somewhere highlighting the wear that occurs on spring plier heads, showing photos of my own MP700s - one that is essentially unused, and another that wore out very quickly. You can see side by side shots of the effects of the wear. The play that develops means the cutters can clash and disintegrate if used right handed, and have a substantial air gap if used left handed.
As for the investment cast parts, castings are strong under compression, not tension or torsion - although I must admit, I am still waiting for my first pics of the failed driver arm and pry tool.
Ironically, I still like the MP700, but it wears out significantly faster than other tools
Could we have a link for that thread, please? :cheers:
Mines winging it's way back to Gerber now. They will only do the repair/replace from their factory in Portland. If it was a leatherman I could have sent it to their UK main distributor, another black mark for Gerber.Being "made in the USA" is a strong selling feature (usually meaning much higher qualities) for companies in the US and a point of pride for the citizens too.
I had a good look at it before I parceled up, you'd have thought they would have had a U shank saw adapter instead of the serrated blade. When it gets back to me in 6 to 8 weeks time it will be a mod to do. I could also mod some scissors from a SAK to fit in a U shank adapter.
Kevin, I am sorry I missed this earlier. Crap, if I'd have known that it was messed up I wouldn't have sent it. I'm sorry and quite horrified by this.
I really like the Center Drive myself, but if I had those issues with mine I'd have been super pissed too.
If there's anything I can do to help you out with this just let me know.
Def
Thank you :tu:
I'm guessing you're not a gerber fan
I am actually. I think I might still have more Gerbers than Leatherman. Big fan of the MP400, MP600, Diesel and even the much maligned Dime.I just got one one of these, and it appears very solid. What are you basing this on? ???
25 years in mechanical engineering, and a lot of experience with the Gerber MP700. I have a thread somewhere highlighting the wear that occurs on spring plier heads, showing photos of my own MP700s - one that is essentially unused, and another that wore out very quickly. You can see side by side shots of the effects of the wear. The play that develops means the cutters can clash and disintegrate if used right handed, and have a substantial air gap if used left handed.
As for the investment cast parts, castings are strong under compression, not tension or torsion - although I must admit, I am still waiting for my first pics of the failed driver arm and pry tool.
Ironically, I still like the MP700, but it wears out significantly faster than other tools
Could we have a link for that thread, please? :cheers:
The MP700 is an absolute favorite of mine, and my favorite "fits in the coin pocket" MT.
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-11/CAM06202_zpsvjyyay61.jpg)
I'd be so sad if it lost its "springyness" and it became worn out so quick.
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-11/CAM06201_zpskxbtcv7i.jpg)
Such a nice tool, compact and with a complete toolset, it's not good news to hear that this issue affects the MP700/800 series!
Thank you :tu:
I'm guessing you're not a gerber fan
I am actually. I think I might still have more Gerbers than Leatherman. Big fan of the MP400, MP600, Diesel and even the much maligned Dime.I just got one one of these, and it appears very solid. What are you basing this on? ???
25 years in mechanical engineering, and a lot of experience with the Gerber MP700. I have a thread somewhere highlighting the wear that occurs on spring plier heads, showing photos of my own MP700s - one that is essentially unused, and another that wore out very quickly. You can see side by side shots of the effects of the wear. The play that develops means the cutters can clash and disintegrate if used right handed, and have a substantial air gap if used left handed.
As for the investment cast parts, castings are strong under compression, not tension or torsion - although I must admit, I am still waiting for my first pics of the failed driver arm and pry tool.
Ironically, I still like the MP700, but it wears out significantly faster than other tools
Could we have a link for that thread, please? :cheers:
The MP700 is an absolute favorite of mine, and my favorite "fits in the coin pocket" MT.
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-11/CAM06202_zpsvjyyay61.jpg)
I'd be so sad if it lost its "springyness" and it became worn out so quick.
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-11/CAM06201_zpskxbtcv7i.jpg)
Such a nice tool, compact and with a complete toolset, it's not good news to hear that this issue affects the MP700/800 series!
ThePeacent......How long have you had your MP700/800? How much have you used them? If they are holding up and are more than a few years old, yours do not have the problem! I only use my multi's for low abuse, everyday mundane things like opening boxes, cutting string, small wires, opening blister packs, etc, so I am not concerned about ANY of mine wearing out! I have a multitool in front of me that is over 20 years old, was a cheap no name brand Leatherman Supertool sized device, and was used pretty heavily shortly after I bought it, and it is still going strong! The only test for any of these tools is usage!
I met Kev Davey here today, and showed him the two tools I used in the comparison. At first he didn't spot the issue, but then I became quite apparent. Hopefully Kev can confirm what I was saying.
The wear only occurs from real usage. If you only use then lightly and occasionally, the effect for you will be negligible. I used mine quite heavily, and the pivot had worn heavily within less than two years. To some people it won't be an issue - to others it will :salute:
Sadly it wasn't it. It was a stainless steel funnel that should have come with a small fuel flask.Pics or it didn't happen :D
Sadly it wasn't it. It was a stainless steel funnel that should have come with a small fuel flask.Pics or it didn't happen :D
I'm disappointed in Gerber as it appears the alignment issue is at the machining stage for the plier pivot and it is at an angle as when I pull them into line the cutters crash into each other. That one should definitely have been spotted at the factory and there is probably a bad batch out there with the same issue.
:like: :like: !!!Thanks! :hatsoff:
Mines back!! :mail: :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhhPriorities Kev! Get your priorities right.
Picked it up on my way to work this morning. Just opened the package and it looks all ok to me. Pics later after my meetings.
Mines back!! :mail: :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhhPriorities Kev! Get your priorities right.
Picked it up on my way to work this morning. Just opened the package and it looks all ok to me. Pics later after my meetings.
That looks a lot better Kev :tu:
The local Canadian Tire has this model which I do not have as of yet...but I won't spend 170 bucks for it!
Speaking to the strength of the driver, I have used mine on very tight/over torqued screws. These were tight to the point of me putting a good deal of force on and no issues. However as stated it is more of a long run kind of deal.
Thanks to Kev (again) I've been able to examine a Centre Drive close up. I did a follow up post on the SOG PowerAccess and Syncs after I got to examine those close up, and now I can do the same with the Centre Drive.
Firstly the pliers. Kev said that he didn't think they looked very strong, but a side-by-side comparison with the Diesel showed that the construction looked solid enough for general use. I still think that the hollow spring opening construction and indexable inserts are a bad idea. These ruin what could have been a versatile and durable plier design for the reasons highlighted before. Also, the way the Centre Drive is put together, the plier heads cannot be readilly swapped with the far superior ones of the Diesel or MP600.
Secondly, the driver itself. This looks weak. I think if people start using these on heavier duty jobs such as rusted screws, we are going to be seeing broken drivers. Kev and I both agreed where the fracture point was likely to be on this. It is also LESS central (when considering both axes) than the Balance.
Cast pry tool - I still struggle to comprehend that professional tool makers would design such a thing. It's ugly, bulky, and I have no confidence in its durability. Something make from rolled plate would be stronger and thinner, leaving space for another function.
Overall, a heavier duty version of the Balance with full 1/4" hex capability would have made for a better tool. The Centre Drive is a nice looking tool, but genuinely strikes me as being less dependable for hard use than the MP600 and Diesel.
Kev, sorry to slate another of your tools buddy, and I hope it serves you better than I am anticipating. :salute: Gerber still maintains a place in my tool array with the Balance, MP400, 600, and Diesel, but the Center Drive will not be on my shopping list at any point.
The local Canadian Tire has this model which I do not have as of yet...but I won't spend 170 bucks for it!
I'm in. Couldn't pass up a good deal. Tool feels solid, even more so than the MP600. I really wish it had or could accept scissors, but the weird lock-tab/lanyard loop thing prevents it (I've already tried Diesel scissors). The blade is MASSIVE. The centered driver is cool and a joy to use, so far. I like the springy pliers but the shape of the jaws will take getting used to.
Who's next?
Used mine today at work for unscrewing a metal strap that was hanging from the ceiling. I've also had a chance to use the catspaw on drywall screws, for moderate jobs, it does great! :like::2tu:
I have found that almost without exception, factory edges do not stay sharp as long as they do after a couple of hand re-sharpenings. I believe it has to do with the edge having been overheated during the factory machine sharpening process. This is why I always chuckle when I read people complaining about out of the box sharpness.
I have found that almost without exception, factory edges do not stay sharp as long as they do after a couple of hand re-sharpenings. I believe it has to do with the edge having been overheated during the factory machine sharpening process. This is why I always chuckle when I read people complaining about out of the box sharpness.I'm one of those guys who complain...
Sharp edge, how sharp of an edge? My wife at first was apprehensive about me keeping our kitchen knives very sharp. Now she can't stand working with a dullish knife. If you intend to strip wire with your knife you probably want a 50 degree angle. If you are going to use it for delicate work than a 20 degree angle is preferable. If it is for push cutting primarily than a polished edge is required. For slicing, a toothy edge. Regardless you will need to sharpen your knife at some point, so to me the analogy is more like buying a new car and complaining that there is only an 1/8th of a tank of gas in it.You are overthinking it. It should perform at basic cutting tasks: cardboard, wood etc.
Just my $.02 :D
And if you cut that piece of fruit on a china plate you now have a knife that is too dull to cut a piece of fruit. So the important thing is that it was able to cut the fruit in the first place :think:Cutting on a porcelain plate is an abuse/wrong use of a knife and it should not be expected to stay sharp.
Some zip strap trimming action!Don't forget to apply for your badge! :tu:
Had mine camping over the weekend, lots of rain the past few days :cheers:
Had mine camping over the weekend, lots of rain the past few days :cheers:Nice picture!
Had mine camping over the weekend, lots of rain the past few days :cheers:Nice picture!
How's it holding up surface rust wise? I have not gotten mine wet yet, so I don't know if it will spot up yet.
Had mine camping over the weekend, lots of rain the past few days :cheers:
:like:
Rain... I think I remember what that's like :think:
I've used my CD a lot lately to give it a really good working over to see how it handles it. After a shaky start with QC issues on the pliers, I am very happy with how robust it is.
I use the pry bar/nail puller for the first time on Saturday and really made it work hard. So hard that I braced myself for it to break but it didn't. Now I know it can take that sort of use, I can use it with confidence. Gerber carbide cutters still suck though, they chip way to easily.
Good to know I was unlucky and its not a problem with all pry tools.I've used my CD a lot lately to give it a really good working over to see how it handles it. After a shaky start with QC issues on the pliers, I am very happy with how robust it is.
I use the pry bar/nail puller for the first time on Saturday and really made it work hard. So hard that I braced myself for it to break but it didn't. Now I know it can take that sort of use, I can use it with confidence. Gerber carbide cutters still suck though, they chip way to easily.
The pry tool can actually do proper pry tool work? Now there's a surprise Kev. :o I saw your thread on wanting a Gerber Phillips, and the first thing I thought was "he's killed his pry tool"
Good to know I was unlucky and its not a problem with all pry tools.I've used my CD a lot lately to give it a really good working over to see how it handles it. After a shaky start with QC issues on the pliers, I am very happy with how robust it is.
I use the pry bar/nail puller for the first time on Saturday and really made it work hard. So hard that I braced myself for it to break but it didn't. Now I know it can take that sort of use, I can use it with confidence. Gerber carbide cutters still suck though, they chip way to easily.
The pry tool can actually do proper pry tool work? Now there's a surprise Kev. :o I saw your thread on wanting a Gerber Phillips, and the first thing I thought was "he's killed his pry tool"
I've used my CD a lot lately to give it a really good working over to see how it handles it. After a shaky start with QC issues on the pliers, I am very happy with how robust it is.
I use the pry bar/nail puller for the first time on Saturday and really made it work hard. So hard that I braced myself for it to break but it didn't. Now I know it can take that sort of use, I can use it with confidence. Gerber carbide cutters still suck though, they chip way to easily.
The pry tool can actually do proper pry tool work? Now there's a surprise Kev. :o I saw your thread on wanting a Gerber Phillips, and the first thing I thought was "he's killed his pry tool"
Good to know I was unlucky and its not a problem with all pry tools.I've used my CD a lot lately to give it a really good working over to see how it handles it. After a shaky start with QC issues on the pliers, I am very happy with how robust it is.
I use the pry bar/nail puller for the first time on Saturday and really made it work hard. So hard that I braced myself for it to break but it didn't. Now I know it can take that sort of use, I can use it with confidence. Gerber carbide cutters still suck though, they chip way to easily.
The pry tool can actually do proper pry tool work? Now there's a surprise Kev. :o I saw your thread on wanting a Gerber Phillips, and the first thing I thought was "he's killed his pry tool"
Good to know I was unlucky and its not a problem with all pry tools.I've used my CD a lot lately to give it a really good working over to see how it handles it. After a shaky start with QC issues on the pliers, I am very happy with how robust it is.
I use the pry bar/nail puller for the first time on Saturday and really made it work hard. So hard that I braced myself for it to break but it didn't. Now I know it can take that sort of use, I can use it with confidence. Gerber carbide cutters still suck though, they chip way to easily.
The pry tool can actually do proper pry tool work? Now there's a surprise Kev. :o I saw your thread on wanting a Gerber Phillips, and the first thing I thought was "he's killed his pry tool"
Have you broken yours?
Yup. A brass nail. :facepalm: :rofl:Good to know I was unlucky and its not a problem with all pry tools.I've used my CD a lot lately to give it a really good working over to see how it handles it. After a shaky start with QC issues on the pliers, I am very happy with how robust it is.
I use the pry bar/nail puller for the first time on Saturday and really made it work hard. So hard that I braced myself for it to break but it didn't. Now I know it can take that sort of use, I can use it with confidence. Gerber carbide cutters still suck though, they chip way to easily.
The pry tool can actually do proper pry tool work? Now there's a surprise Kev. :o I saw your thread on wanting a Gerber Phillips, and the first thing I thought was "he's killed his pry tool"
Have you broken yours?
He chipped it trying to pry a brass upholstery nail (or something like that)
Not to mention that I don't like using a plastic part as pivot for prying...Yup. A brass nail. :facepalm: :rofl:Good to know I was unlucky and its not a problem with all pry tools.I've used my CD a lot lately to give it a really good working over to see how it handles it. After a shaky start with QC issues on the pliers, I am very happy with how robust it is.
I use the pry bar/nail puller for the first time on Saturday and really made it work hard. So hard that I braced myself for it to break but it didn't. Now I know it can take that sort of use, I can use it with confidence. Gerber carbide cutters still suck though, they chip way to easily.
The pry tool can actually do proper pry tool work? Now there's a surprise Kev. :o I saw your thread on wanting a Gerber Phillips, and the first thing I thought was "he's killed his pry tool"
Have you broken yours?
He chipped it trying to pry a brass upholstery nail (or something like that)
I had a lot more meat of mine under what I prying. I'll test to see if the end of mine is that brittleHope yours doesn't break.
This thread does not inspire confidence in the product.
Another.
I'm happy to report that my second CD is pretty much perfect! Perfectly aligned pliers, no cracks in the bit holder, the knife is better finished and so on. Yay! Pictures will be posted later today after work.
Glad it's not just me
Do loki's Gerber wrenches fit the screws on the Center Drive?
Do loki's Gerber wrenches fit the screws on the Center Drive?
I have a set so I'll check tonight for you, but I think they do.
Do loki's Gerber wrenches fit the screws on the Center Drive?
I have a set so I'll check tonight for you, but I think they do.
I assume they'll fit, but I thought I'd check. Thanks! :cheers:
Yep the wrenches fit. There's a little play but you can use the tape trick to get rid of that. Just put a thin piece of tape on top of the stud then press the wrench on, it takes up the little bit of play.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/808/41452437131_cedf86b3b4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26a1znV)
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Yep the wrenches fit. There's a little play but you can use the tape trick to get rid of that. Just put a thin piece of tape on top of the stud then press the wrench on, it takes up the little bit of play.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/808/41452437131_cedf86b3b4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26a1znV)
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/890/40738040824_feb7b4d2f8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/254T7fd)
:tu: Thanks. Good news.
I can't stop finding used for mine! I had to replace the mower deck belt on my tractor yesterday and broke out my Center Drive. I don't believe there's many jobs you couldn't get accomplished with a combo like this! I used a torx bit to remove two pulley covers with the assistance of my youngest son, who absolutely loves the Center Drive.
I'm currently in the Camper Challenge, but ran into a situation where pliers were the only option I had available. The alternator went south on my Subaru, and took the battery with it. Luckily, something told me to pack the CD in my gear last night. I used those awesome pliers to loosen the terminal nuts so I could bring it home to put it on the charger.
Yeah I still want one. :like: :gimme:
Gosh, sad sad day. I lost my Center Drive! I don't know where it is, but I suspect that it has been left behind up on Fulufjället fell. I.e. up in the Swedish mountains, pretty dang far from here. I hope a hiker finds it and gets some use out of it, because I aint getting mine back, that's for sure! (I went on a hike with a girl I'm dating, on the second day I guess I packed my things a bit too quick and missed it)
It's a shame, I really really liked it. I used it mainly for work as a do-it-all type of tool.
Gosh, sad sad day. I lost my Center Drive! I don't know where it is, but I suspect that it has been left behind up on Fulufjället fell. I.e. up in the Swedish mountains, pretty dang far from here. I hope a hiker finds it and gets some use out of it, because I aint getting mine back, that's for sure! (I went on a hike with a girl I'm dating, on the second day I guess I packed my things a bit too quick and missed it)
It's a shame, I really really liked it. I used it mainly for work as a do-it-all type of tool.
Hey WiseDuck
You helped me find those missing Ranger Snows back in 2016!!, I've never forgotten.
I have a Center Drive that I bought used over a year ago, it's fine no issues at all.How about I send it to you by way of a thank you.
I'll never use it, it's been sat in a box since the day it arrived.
Pm me your full address and I'll post it this friday.
:hatsoff:
False alarm!
Like a complete dum-dum, I misplaced it after unpacking at home. I saw it today, just sitting on a shelf I never put any tools on, ever. I feel like a fool now, but this was a relief. I really do appeciate Tosh's offer though, he's a great guy. And yes indeed, this is what makes this place special, thanks everyone!
Im getting my newest tool in few days, i read also those shattering cutters but i think im not gonna use those so much that would actually bother me and deal was so good that i just couldnt resist offer. 30€ for it isnt bad price
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Im getting my newest tool in few days, i read also those shattering cutters but i think im not gonna use those so much that would actually bother me and deal was so good that i just couldnt resist offer. 30€ for it isnt bad price
Only Tools Matters
Wow that is so unfair, cheapest I've seen here is 110€.
Im getting my newest tool in few days, i read also those shattering cutters but i think im not gonna use those so much that would actually bother me and deal was so good that i just couldnt resist offer. 30€ for it isnt bad price
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Wow that is so unfair, cheapest I've seen here is 110€.
Well also here its around 110€ but i got email cause i had buying annoucment on MTs so this guy emailed me and offered his tool for 30€.
He told me that he havent used after he gotted as gift this. He didnt have clue what it was cause he introducet it Gerber Leatherman i saw pictures of it and immediatly saw it was centerdrive and after that i sealed deal
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Thanks, its gonna be my first Gerber and im eager to see hoe good it is after allIm getting my newest tool in few days, i read also those shattering cutters but i think im not gonna use those so much that would actually bother me and deal was so good that i just couldnt resist offer. 30€ for it isnt bad price
Only Tools Matters
Wow that is so unfair, cheapest I've seen here is 110€.
Well also here its around 110€ but i got email cause i had buying annoucment on MTs so this guy emailed me and offered his tool for 30€.
He told me that he havent used after he gotted as gift this. He didnt have clue what it was cause he introducet it Gerber Leatherman i saw pictures of it and immediatly saw it was centerdrive and after that i sealed deal
Only Tools Matters
Good deal. :tu:
Are there officially considerable differences in quality and durability of the tools Made in China and Made in USA?
Are there officially considerable differences in quality and durability of the tools Made in China and Made in USA?
That's a can of worms. Good and bad products can be made anywhere, however some companies contracting out manufacturing to the lowest bidder, are prepared to accept quality compromises for that low purchase price. Quality sadly is often given lower priority than margins and intended sales price. Judge the tools on their own individual strengths and weaknesses, and not country of origin.
Are there officially considerable differences in quality and durability of the tools Made in China and Made in USA?
That's a can of worms. Good and bad products can be made anywhere, however some companies contracting out manufacturing to the lowest bidder, are prepared to accept quality compromises for that low purchase price. Quality sadly is often given lower priority than margins and intended sales price. Judge the tools on their own individual strengths and weaknesses, and not country of origin.
First, I was thinking about the Centre Drive seriously, but found a lot of aspects were not convincing.
So I went for the cheaper MP400 and MP600, and they are fine. No markings where they are made in, but all seem working OK.
I think I was lucky. All MTs have good and bad points - even LM Surge and SWISSTOOLS.
MP400 and 600 also have plenty bad points, but I like their good points.
First, I was thinking about the Centre Drive seriously, but found a lot of aspects were not convincing.
So I went for the cheaper MP400 and MP600, and they are fine. No markings where they are made in, but all seem working OK.
I think I was lucky. All MTs have good and bad points - even LM Surge and SWISSTOOLS.
MP400 and 600 also have plenty bad points, but I like their good points.
Good and bad points are one thing. Inferior materials and heat treatment are another.
Kevin, good luck with your CentreDrive!
Mine has a new mod.
Kevin, good luck with your CentreDrive!
Mine has a new mod.
Do you have a write up of this? The wire stripper looks great!!
Charles.
I will be getting a black CD thru buying a gun cleaning kit :think: for a bit over $50 in total :D Some of these kits are on eBay if you fancy a black CD and some extra
https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-MILITARY-OTIS-CQB-CLEANING-KIT-5-56mm-223-NEW-IMPROVED-GERBER-MULTI-TOOL/202580054550
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-OTIS-CLEANING-KIT-5-56-GERBER-MULTITOOL-SOLDIERS-TOOL-KIT/113633953001
From what I read, I should not have too high of expectation on the tool, huh? An ultimate MT for me is half a Leatherman Surge (with PE blade and scissor), and the bit driver of the Gerber CD. Is such mod possible?
Thanks Gman! I agree. I really like this tool. It's been my go to since I bought it.
Is the CD driver a must? There are probably other tools that can use as a bit driver.. Assuming the driver is going into the internal tool bay?For me, yes. I prefer the long reach. A blade, scissors, and a driver should cover most of my needs at work.Oh, and I want a clip too! :tu:
I like that ezdog!
It's pretty difficult to top a Center Drive!
Nice job!
Would it be possible to replace the bit holder between the blade and the center drive tool with a few tools from another multi tool?
Obviously without a standard Gerber locking mechanism MP600 tools are out.
I just come back from shopping and saw this GERBER for €70 , is it a good price ? :pok:
:facepalm:
TG, you owe me a Center Drive...
:rant:
Might visit my local AS tomorrow...
You checked them all??
Mp600 scissors won’t fit though. The larger release lever gets in the way, and they’re completely a no-go.
If they made a blunt nosed CD...
Where is that date code info? I’m curious what it tells me about mine. It has the same number on the blade: “0871118B”
Charles.
Oh somehow I forgot the pic. Here it is.
I thought the scissors could be modified to fit, but there is really no way. It wasn’t clear from the photos until I had some scissors out of the tool, but the distance between the tool pivot and the scissors blade pivot is greater on the CD scissors than on the mp600. It’s not just a shorter handle, the tool itself is longer.
Charles.
Just got myself a CDplus. Really solid tool and got it from the Gerber website. The only thing is the driver wiggles left right and front and back. Doesn’t twist or anything. Does anyone’s else's do that or do I need to call Gerber?Is it the whole driver implement or the bit within the end that wobbles?
Is it the whole driver implement or the bit within the end that wobbles?
If it is the implement itself, more than a hair of play is not normal. Hope that helps. :tu:
Welcome to MT.o! :cheers:
It’s the whole implement. The bit holds tight. I’ll give Gerber a call. Is there a special tool to work with this bolts?
That doesn't sound right :-\.
On my regular CenterDrive the bit driver has no play whatsoever.
It’s a bummer cause it’s the only thing that seems wrong. Pliers line up great and everything is seems in good order. It honestly looks like maybe a washer wasn’t put it. The knife has one on the inside side. The driver doesn’t. I hate to have to get an exchange :cry:
Just checked the three CDs in the collection and none of them have any side-to-side or front-to-back motion.
If the bolt is loose, it could be causing both types of play. But, as far as tightening, the only tool I know made for it is this.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lite-wrenches-for-parse-some-Gerber-Old-SOG-Tools/293031130444?hash=item443a04354c:g:dNAAAOSw4qxaorN7
His tools are top-notch(many of us on MT.o have the Leatherman wrenches), but shipping from Russia takes a week or two.
Even if you do send the tool back to Gerber, it wouldn't hurt to have a set to do maintenance in the future. :)
If the play is minimal, it may be worth waiting until you get the wrenches, if you decide to get a set.
That reminds me, need to order a set myself. Getting a little tired of scratching up Gerber screw heads. :facepalm:
Thank you for the tool link! Can’t seem to find it when I google it. I’m thinking that might be all it needs. It’s like a mm of movement both ways. I tried turning it with a small set of pliers but I didn’t want to mess up the screw heads.You're certainly welcome. :cheers:
Just thought I would share that it was the bolt. I found out my channel lock teach fit real nicely into the grooves. Just took my time getting them in place and a few turns good as gold.
Thank you everyone!!! :cheers:
Yes, I've seen them...
But at €22 excl shipping, I've decided to give it a go like this first.
When you order 3 you get free shipping... :whistle:
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I am trying to reconcile the complaints on Amazon.com about problems with the Center Drive Plus leather case with the praise I read in other venues.
Why exactly is there an RCA Paracorded to your CD?
Because I thought all the skull beads on paracord lanyards were hokey and stupid. Plus I’m a big fan of vintage audio equipment. I put a “bead” on that had meaning to me.
Plus if I find a bad patch cable I can fix it on the spot! :)
Charles.
I'll be joining because CD is really cheap atm. With full gun kit no less!
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F352779024000
I'll be joining because CD is really cheap atm. With full gun kit no less!I got one of these too for the Black CD which is my second CD now!
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F352779024000
Used the CD during work this week.
Love the OHO pliers, but miss a large toolset.
So ended up carrying my Spirit on the other side of my belt in a Skinth.
Also found out that the CD can't cut alarm cables, whereas the Spirit can (with it's way smaller wire cutters) in 2 cuts.
So all in all a true workhorse tool, but not really suitable for my trade.
I have to wonder exactly what "Alarm Wire" means in your part of the World?I tried it on a 2x0.75+4x0.22 shielded cable.
I have no issues with Quad Wire,UL Fire Cable,Zip Cords,Speaker Wire and most LV cable every day.
Co-Ax can be too thick to cut in one pass as well as some huge speaker cables but I usually get it done if needed too.
It would not surprise me that these are not what you mean and that w just label them differently but LV cable is easy for my CD.
I tried it on a 2x0.75+4x0.22 shielded cable.
It just pinched the insulation, but didn't even cut through that :shrug:
Newbie here :salute: have modded my cd to take mp600 scissors, don't know if it's been done before? Thinking of modding the file next ( partly serrated,chisel end) as the serrated blade file groove being on the inside is eating away at me!
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Just joined ;)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191016/39cf499c35beebb1f17d584f7bb19791.jpg)Nice - I like
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Broke out my trusty Center Drive for vent cleaning duty on the Domestic front :DNice usage! :like: :cheers:
Thanks to Kev (again) I've been able to examine a Centre Drive close up. I did a follow up post on the SOG PowerAccess and Syncs after I got to examine those close up, and now I can do the same with the Centre Drive.
Firstly the pliers. Kev said that he didn't think they looked very strong, but a side-by-side comparison with the Diesel showed that the construction looked solid enough for general use. I still think that the hollow spring opening construction and indexable inserts are a bad idea. These ruin what could have been a versatile and durable plier design for the reasons highlighted before. Also, the way the Centre Drive is put together, the plier heads cannot be readilly swapped with the far superior ones of the Diesel or MP600.
Secondly, the driver itself. This looks weak. I think if people start using these on heavier duty jobs such as rusted screws, we are going to be seeing broken drivers. Kev and I both agreed where the fracture point was likely to be on this. It is also LESS central (when considering both axes) than the Balance.
Cast pry tool - I still struggle to comprehend that professional tool makers would design such a thing. It's ugly, bulky, and I have no confidence in its durability. Something make from rolled plate would be stronger and thinner, leaving space for another function.
Overall, a heavier duty version of the Balance with full 1/4" hex capability would have made for a better tool. The Centre Drive is a nice looking tool, but genuinely strikes me as being less dependable for hard use than the MP600 and Diesel.
Kev, sorry to slate another of your tools buddy, and I hope it serves you better than I am anticipating. :salute: Gerber still maintains a place in my tool array with the Balance, MP400, 600, and Diesel, but the Center Drive will not be on my shopping list at any point.
Bump! What are all those Center Drives doing out there?
Hi All am new to the forum and new to the MultiTool game. Picked up a CD yesterday and the thing is massive and awesome. The last MT I had was years ago, maybe 15, that my parents gave me and was a really small pocket knife I think by Victorinox so this CD is a huge upgrade. Am loving the pictures you are all posting too. I had 2 questions maybe other users could answer?
1 - How does everybody sharpen their MT Blade? Is there a simple/cheap solution that is like a tool you just run it through rather than putting on a wetstone/grinder?
2 - My Pliers don't fully close unless I unfold the extra bit holder out. Is this normal? It feels like it shouldn't be normal, thought I would ask before taking it back to the shop.
Thanks! I will take photo's soon!
That thing with the pliers sounds like a quality control failure. I'd probably go ahead and get an exchange.
As for sharpening, one of the easiest and most effective systems that doesn't cost a fortune is a Lansky turnbox. Pull-through sharpeners are terrible and I'd never recommend one. The turnbox only requires a tiny bit more skill and doesn't ruin your blades. Plus they're available for $15-20.
Well it was short lived friends :-(You should try find one in ebay or other similar place to get it much cheaper. Only bad thing about CD is cutters. Otherwise tool is great, tolerances arent best but while it works better on dirty jobs than other tools higher tolerances.
As can see above I took my CD back into the shop yesterday and they confirmed it didn't look right, the pliers do not close until you pull out the bit holder. They went and got me another one and we opened it before I went home with it, the pliers did close but they didn't line up. The top piece closes down off-centre to the bottom piece by a few mm. The tool guy at the shop says 'well that's not right...how much are these??' I said $160. He said for that price they'd want to be perfect. So he goes and gets a third pair, opens them and the plier head was more offline than the previous pair....they didn't have any more there to check so I've decided to give them back and get a refund
FML
So now I'm in an annoying spot. This thing has the tools I want and I love the look of it, but the QC is just no good and I'm a bit worried about trying to get another one because now my opinion of them is so soured that I don't know if I could.
You should try find one in ebay or other similar place to get it much cheaper. Only bad thing about CD is cutters. Otherwise tool is great, tolerances arent best but while it works better on dirty jobs than other tools higher tolerances.Yes I snagged my CD for 45$ new on eBay. My pliers are offset to but not a big deal on a 45$ tool. They are accurate enough and I love the tool so far.
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As of today I am also the proud owner of a CD. It's a very different feeling than an MP600 or a Leatherman.
I have to honestly say, I like it very much! The spring loading of the pliers is simply easier to handle for me.
Now I'm still thinking about installing the T-Shaft mount from the MP600.
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Sunday work in process
Done quickly and works great (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200823/d0e6e9de0e725c97d5bd742e791d9f95.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200823/9276f5d69bb37e481c90cd914b054223.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200823/76d59aee22acf81505fcd051128ef544.jpg)
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Great use! :like:I haven't regretted buying one!
Can‘t be long until I give in and get a CD :D
I just ordered a CD. Wanted to see how it compares to my modded MP600. If i like it, i might even integrate a lot of its tool implements into the CD :popcorn:The CD is like a good movie Lots of good stuff in it
The CD came in earlier this week :mail:
Gotta agree with you, Barry. That bit driver is awesome! Used it plenty already :tu:
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Here you go:I noticed that on the weekend too. Unfortunately! I've tried both. Once the suspension and the MP. I didn't want to edit the slider. Not that it doesn't fit after all. Let's see what solutions there will be in the future ... But the CD + scissors are not an option for me
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Used the scissors from a Suspension. They only work when the handles are open, but because of the spring loaded pliers this is not a big deal for me. The scissors from the MP's don't fit, and are not usable, unless you cut the handle.
I would like to start a brainstorming Guys.... How can we make the CD bladeless? What would fit instead of the blade?
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You don’t even have to drill it. Double sided heavy duty tape works as well :cheers:i added a stick on clip to my gerber diesel. its not ideal and rides high in the pocket but better than no clip.
Maybe 91mm Vic scissors!? :think: :tu:Sounds like a good idea! But is it big enough to fill the holder?
i added a stick on clip to my gerber diesel. its not ideal and rides high in the pocket but better than no clip.Yeah, the pivot screws are kinda in the way there. I wonder if it would be possible to make a clip and attach it under those screws :think:
i just wish gerber integrated clips into some of their design. ease of pocket carry is a real deal breaker for me and the clips on the wave and skeletool are what make them clear winners for me when deciding on which tool i will actually carry.
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I would like to start a brainstorming Guys.... How can we make the CD bladeless? What would fit instead of the blade?
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i added a stick on clip to my gerber diesel. its not ideal and rides high in the pocket but better than no clip.
i just wish gerber integrated clips into some of their design. ease of pocket carry is a real deal breaker for me and the clips on the wave and skeletool are what make them clear winners for me when deciding on which tool i will actually carry.
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Excited as I just got my Center Drive. So I was wiping the tool with disinfectant(worried of the C19 virus) the black coating? anodizing? came off. I then use my finger to rub and the it stain my finger. Is this normal? Looks like weak coating there.
I finally acquired a Center Drive when it was included in the Surprise Box I received last month. I like the spring loaded pliers, the very generous sized knife blade, and the sheath that can be worn horizontally is interesting too. The date code on mine is 0871018D. There's still a Surprise Box (or two) available to whoever claims it (or them) by the way. :pok:
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I bought my CentreDrive as soon as it was available through the Gerber Pro program. I as saddened when they then released a version with scissors.
I am at work and will post pics of mine later as it’s in my truck.
I've been using my center drive for over a year now. I switched from a Leatherman OHT.
Those cutters have been a complaint from the beginning. I am still surprised that Gerber hasn't remedied this issue.I agree. It's uncanny how much better the Leatherman replaceable cutters are.
You are posting at the rate of one per year - but this year's post was a good one, as we appreciate the thoughts of an actual Working Man who uses his Center Drive on the job.Appreciate that. I'm gonna hang with it a while longer. Maybe some decent after market cutters will reveal themselves. That would make the other issues reasonable to deal with.
I must be stuck in 1974, because it seems to me that the Center Drive should be $59.95 and not $114.99.
But still I want one.
I agree. It's uncanny how much better the Leatherman replaceable cutters are.
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Has anyone ever seen, or modded, a Center Drive pliers set into the blunt nose? I think that would be a handy set of pliers!