Post by: Thisjk38 on January 29, 2013, 08:43:47 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 29, 2013, 12:28:26 PM
Someone is going to get a great deal on an awesome truck. I hate to sell it but the wife says I can't have both.
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Post by: derekmac on January 29, 2013, 12:47:19 PM
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/_DSC1298.jpg)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/IMG_20120429_143356.jpg)
It does say Jeep on the hood, but you can't always read it :D
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/IMG_20121117_152026.jpg)
Post by: Thisjk38 on January 29, 2013, 02:09:01 PM
I'm picking up my new 2013 JKU Sahara later today and that means I'll be retiring and selling of my 2000 TJ Sport.
Someone is going to get a great deal on an awesome truck. I hate to sell it but the wife says I can't have both.
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Congrats on the new JKU. Post pics when you get it. I'm sorry about having to sell your TJ. I wish I could have two myself but that wouldn't be very practical. I'm sure it'll make someone very happy.
Enjoy that new engine. I've heard great things about it. I never want to try it out since I missed by a couple of months. I figure if I never experience it then I'll never know what I'm missing.
Post by: Thisjk38 on January 29, 2013, 02:13:20 PM
It does say Jeep on the hood, but you can't always read it :D
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/IMG_20121117_152026.jpg)
Nice Pic. One thing I do wish the wrangler had was more torque and Hp to do some real towing. If I need to pull something I end up using my fathers '05 Grand Cherokee.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 29, 2013, 03:14:21 PM
Oh, and that's my yellow TJ in Derek's photo. :D
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Post by: derekmac on January 29, 2013, 05:04:42 PM
Thanks. Yeah, the V8 does have pretty good power. 235HP and 295 LB-FT of torque. I wouldn't mind having an 05 with a HEMI, 330HP and 375 LB-FT of torque :drool:
Nice Pic. One thing I do wish the wrangler had was more torque and Hp to do some real towing. If I need to pull something I end up using my fathers '05 Grand Cherokee.
The Wrangler has the torque but not the wheelbase for towing. That's a large part of why I'm getting a 4 door this time. Here's a photo the dealer sent me when it arrived a few days ago.
Oh, and that's my yellow TJ in Derek's photo. :D
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You're right, the new Pentastar does have good power ratings, 285HP and 260 LB-FT of torque. I didn't realize it had 50HP more than my V8 :cry:
IMHO, the tow ratings for the 4 door should be higher. It has a 10" longer wheelbase than my Grand, yet is rated at 3500lbs towing compared to my 6500lbs. :think:
Honestly, I only think they rated them low like that so they could push selling the Grand, and they probably didn't want the public image of the 4 door JK to be pulling campers instead of going offroad.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 29, 2013, 05:21:55 PM
I was tempted to buy up a pile of old weights, mount them to the front of my Jeep and tow a lot more... :P
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Post by: Thisjk38 on January 29, 2013, 09:04:15 PM
The Wrangler has the torque but not the wheelbase for towing. That's a large part of why I'm getting a 4 door this time. Here's a photo the dealer sent me when it arrived a few days ago.
Oh, and that's my yellow TJ in Derek's photo. :D
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Very nice :drool: That Commando Green is my favorite new color. Great choice. Any mod ideas yet?
The V8s they throw in those Cherokees, really create one beast of a Machine. My really enjoy my dads '05 power and he only has a V6.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 30, 2013, 02:22:05 AM
On a vehicle I've had for just over six hours.
Meanwhile we have the highest police officer per capita ratio in North America and one of the highest crime rates.
And I got a ticket for expired registration for a vehicle I've owned for six hours.
How was your day? :P
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Post by: jzmtl on January 30, 2013, 12:09:26 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 30, 2013, 12:24:04 PM
:D
The officer didn't find that amusing apparently....
At any rate, I'm quite pleased with the new Jeep. I already have some window visors for it, some HID lights, a CB and a bracket for the larger tires I'll put on it when the Duelers it came with wear out. I can put 33" tires on without a lift so I'll probably do that. If I lift it I'll probably only do a 2 or 3 inch lift at most. My boss has a 4" lift and 35" tires and it really sucks on the highway. Since it's a spare (third) vehicle for him that's OK, but mine is my primary vehicle and needs to be able to travel. If I do a 2-3" lift I'll probably go up to a 35" tire.
My wife drove it last night and is already planning a road trip in it to see her grandmother.
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Post by: derekmac on January 30, 2013, 12:32:00 PM
I actually said something along those lines. I believe my exact words were "I'm a fat, middle aged white guy so I don't get pulled over often."
:D
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The officer didn't find that amusing apparently....
At any rate, I'm quite pleased with the new Jeep. I already have some window visors for it, some HID lights, a CB and a bracket for the larger tires I'll put on it when the Duelers it came with wear out. I can put 33" tires on without a lift so I'll probably do that. If I lift it I'll probably only do a 2 or 3 inch lift at most. My boss has a 4" lift and 35" tires and it really sucks on the highway. Since it's a spare (third) vehicle for him that's OK, but mine is my primary vehicle and needs to be able to travel. If I do a 2-3" lift I'll probably go up to a 35" tire.
My wife drove it last night and is already planning a road trip in it to see her grandmother.
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Glad to hear you're liking the new Jeep! :tu: I thought you had 30 days to register a new vehicle? :think:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 30, 2013, 12:45:40 PM
But I don't want people to get the idea I have anything against cops. I just feel that like everything else in this city they are horribly mismanaged and I'm not going anymore into it as that's a political rant.
:P
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Post by: Whoey on January 30, 2013, 03:33:09 PM
:facepalm:
Post by: derekmac on January 30, 2013, 03:38:20 PM
We also have safety inspections that need to be done every two years. Our government loves to take money from us (in a non-political discussion sort of way).
Post by: Whoey on January 30, 2013, 03:47:54 PM
As for plates, the car keeps the plate issued when the car is registered the first time, there's no yearly sticker to update or anything like in Canada.
We do have an annual road tax that you pay to your local city hall, the price of which varies depending on the car and where you live.
Post by: dks on January 30, 2013, 05:27:28 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 30, 2013, 05:50:30 PM
That's why I like my Jeep- it's designed for the kind of off roading I do on the road...
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Post by: Whoey on January 30, 2013, 05:52:51 PM
My passport seems to always be due...
My Spanish drivers license however is not due until 2022... 10 years!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 31, 2013, 03:31:03 PM
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Post by: Whoey on January 31, 2013, 03:45:00 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 31, 2013, 04:10:41 PM
:facepalm:
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 31, 2013, 08:13:10 PM
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Post by: Whoey on January 31, 2013, 08:25:11 PM
Making passports last longer would reduce the cost/amount of the staff that is required to process the applications, verify facts and double check IDs etc.
Post by: dks on January 31, 2013, 08:27:07 PM
Post by: Whoey on January 31, 2013, 08:28:20 PM
just change country then... :PI did, I'm still a Canadian citizen even if I'm a resident of Spain.
Post by: Thisjk38 on February 01, 2013, 08:47:57 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 01, 2013, 12:17:56 PM
Beerplumber has a silver JKU as well that he occasionally posts pictures of- I'm surprised he hasn't chimed in yet. Pacu also just recently traded in his silver JK for a pickup truck in what I can only assume was a drunken bar bet! :P
Here's a shot from one of the times we went wheeling when I was a little less than successful...
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/HPIM6836.jpg)
Here's a video of me playing in a mud puddle while a friend plays with his GoPro!
GoPro Hero 2 slow motion from WVGA 120 FPS down to 10 FPS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8wd0si6EEc#ws)
And here's another one done by the same friend and GoPro of another day with DerekMac and a few other people:
Off-Roading with some Jeeps on some trails and of coarse lots of mud... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fz3d5l6IPQ#ws)
Even CRKT has a cameo in that one! :D
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Post by: derekmac on February 01, 2013, 12:44:21 PM
Just thought I share a photo of mine from a run back in Nov.... Grant by the way I like the updated Avatar :tu:Ahh, nice pic! That looks like a great place to wheel!
All you guys with your JKU's are making me jealous. That will definitely be my next Jeep, unless we get a bigger camper.
Here's a shot from one of the times we went wheeling when I was a little less than successful...Grant, make sure you leave those pics out of your ad when you go to sell it. :rofl:
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/HPIM6836.jpg)
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And here's another one done by the same friend and GoPro of another day with DerekMac and a few other people:Woohoo, I'm a movie star. Now the secret's out that I'm the famous one on MTO. :rofl: :rofl:
Off-Roading with some Jeeps on some trails and of coarse lots of mud... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fz3d5l6IPQ#ws)
Even CRKT has a cameo in that one! :D
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Post by: Thisjk38 on February 03, 2013, 10:22:53 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 03, 2013, 12:13:42 PM
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Post by: jzmtl on February 03, 2013, 09:04:04 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 03, 2013, 09:25:40 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 04, 2013, 04:56:14 PM
Right now I'm just waiting for a loaner car, which I hope is substantial as there's a fair bit of ice and snow on the roads.
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Post by: Thisjk38 on February 05, 2013, 07:43:29 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 05, 2013, 12:04:47 PM
If you don't get a car rust protected here, don't expect to get more than five years out of it.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 05, 2013, 12:06:59 PM
Just call me Soccer Def....
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Post by: derekmac on February 05, 2013, 01:00:29 PM
Oh, and the loaner car they gave me is a Dodge Journey minivan. They replaced my ultimate expression of four wheeled freedom with the ultimate expression of domestication.:rofl:
Just call me Soccer Def....
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This will have to be your new bumper sticker now! :rofl:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Soccer-Mom-Inside_zps47eba634.jpg)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 05, 2013, 03:49:25 PM
(http://www.redvooz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/MAC-vs-PC.jpg)
:D
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 06, 2013, 01:56:45 AM
I'm glad to have it back. While the Journey was a nicer machine than I expected it was very much not me. One thing I did like better than my Jeep though was the key- or rather lack thereof. It simply had a fob and a start button, which I liked better than the huge key my Jeep has.
Still, I'm glad to have my Jeep back.
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Post by: Whoey on February 06, 2013, 12:34:04 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 06, 2013, 01:42:16 PM
I hear you on the key fob thing. My VW has a flip out fob and I like that much better than the sword on my Jeep. Its not just the length though. The key for my old TJ was pretty long too, but the new one is a good sized fob but with a large key sticking out of it.
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on February 07, 2013, 01:06:15 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 07, 2013, 01:10:56 AM
Congratulations- if I'd have known you were looking for a 2000 TJ I'd have made you a good deal on mine! :D
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Post by: jzmtl on February 08, 2013, 02:03:35 AM
Getting ready to be one! I've got my eye on a 2000 jeep wrangler. I've been wanting one for years now, and finally going to get one! Dark blue, soft top, 6 cylinder inline, 31x10.50 tires with mags, towing package and best of all....it's an automatic. Not black though, but that's easy to change.
Just remember the auto in TJ is an antique 3 speed, while reliable it eats into the already pathetic gas mileage.
Post by: Nhoj on February 08, 2013, 03:10:25 AM
Post by: Thisjk38 on February 08, 2013, 09:02:59 AM
Getting ready to be one! I've got my eye on a 2000 jeep wrangler. I've been wanting one for years now, and finally going to get one! Dark blue, soft top, 6 cylinder inline, 31x10.50 tires with mags, towing package and best of all....it's an automatic. Not black though, but that's easy to change.
Great to hear post some pics when you get one. I personally am not a big fan of black jeeps. I think they look great but just not for me. Wranglers really do have some great colors. I kind of wished I went with something other than silver, but I decided on silver because I figured in 20 years I'd still love it. If you like modding saks Steve you're going to love modding your jeep.
Post by: Thisjk38 on February 08, 2013, 09:05:49 AM
Thinking about getting a Wrangler soon! But not completely sure, there are a few other vehicles I'm looking at.
Good to hear. In this thread, the only other accteptable choice of vechicle instead of a wrangler would be another jeep :tu:. I'm just messing, good luck with your search.
Post by: Nhoj on February 08, 2013, 12:51:34 PM
Thanks, the only reason I'm not sure is because I go to the Adirondacks alot (5 hour drive) and many other camping places and a Wrangler would not be as pleasant to drive on a highway for that long as some other choices.Thinking about getting a Wrangler soon! But not completely sure, there are a few other vehicles I'm looking at.
Good to hear. In this thread, the only other accteptable choice of vechicle instead of a wrangler would be another jeep :tu:. I'm just messing, good luck with your search.
Post by: tattoosteve99 on February 08, 2013, 08:56:01 PM
Post by: Thisjk38 on February 08, 2013, 09:02:53 PM
Thanks, the only reason I'm not sure is because I go to the Adirondacks alot (5 hour drive) and many other camping places and a Wrangler would not be as pleasant to drive on a highway for that long as some other choices.Thinking about getting a Wrangler soon! But not completely sure, there are a few other vehicles I'm looking at.
Good to hear. In this thread, the only other accteptable choice of vechicle instead of a wrangler would be another jeep :tu:. I'm just messing, good luck with your search.
What model wrangler are you looking. I have a 2011 and can tell you from experience that a 5 hour plus ride is really not bad at all. I've doe several and have no complaints.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 08, 2013, 11:03:32 PM
The only other long trip I did in it was to Cape Breton and back in one day, which is about three hours each way. That was also exhausting. The short wheelbase is a killer on long trips but is great downtown or in parking lots because you can dance it in and out of any space.
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on February 10, 2013, 12:42:15 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 10, 2013, 05:51:01 PM
It still has a fair bit of low end to it (though not nearly as much as the 4L) so you can go wheeling just about anywhere the I6 guys can go, just be prepared to go slower than they will and perhaps get pulled a little more often than the others.
My concern about the 4 bangers is that they are trying to do the same job that the I6 was doing, which means they have to work that much harder to do it. Since they are working harder to achieve the same thing (the 4WD system in a Jeep is quite heavy) I always thought there would be a lot more wear and tear on the motor itself, killing parts that much faster and requiring more maintenance.
Because they have to work harder, I don't think there are any significant fuel savings for the 2.5L as a result, so no real benefit there, plus there are a lot less old 2.5's around to scavenge parts from.
All in all you can make a good case for the 4 cylinder being almost as good as the 4L, but why not just get the 4L in the first place? That engine was used in the Cherokees and Grand Cherokees as well as the Wranglers and is about as bulletproof as engines come- and there are so many of them around that parts and upgrades are never a problem.
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on February 11, 2013, 02:02:33 AM
(http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz5/tattoosteve99/3C5C6B25-747B-4BC9-943F-130C328E5194-8328-0000041FE5CA542E_zps0d52e27b.jpg)
(http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz5/tattoosteve99/6F61783A-F6D7-43E4-8929-B13549FFBC44-8328-0000041FDB8CDEF1_zps548c4764.jpg)
Whatcha think?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 11, 2013, 02:13:38 AM
If the 4 banger goes you may want to consider upgrading to a Chev 305 or 350.
Now all you need to do is to get it dirty!
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Post by: jerseydevil on February 11, 2013, 02:14:40 AM
Post by: Thisjk38 on February 11, 2013, 02:33:38 AM
Post by: tattoosteve99 on February 11, 2013, 02:46:11 AM
Post by: jzmtl on February 11, 2013, 02:47:45 AM
Nice looking ride you have there! Welcome to the sore back club!
If the 4 banger goes you may want to consider upgrading to a Chev 305 or 350.
Now all you need to do is to get it dirty!
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And an extra gas tank while you are at it! :D
A friend had a V8 YJ and he told me he could literally see the gas needle moving down while idling.
Post by: MultiMat on February 11, 2013, 05:25:02 AM
The misses will be driving it a lot more than me so she may well not like the extra bulk of a Jeep though :think:
Post by: Thisjk38 on February 11, 2013, 06:33:37 AM
It's a '99. Jeep forum you say ;) I'll be visiting soon :). If the 4 banger goes then ill drop in the inline 6. I've had a few of those in the past and they just wouldn't die!Yeah there are few out there. I highly recommend Wranglerforum.com. They have differection a section for JKs, TJs, YJs, and CJs. Great community and I've actually been of few runs with members. I've learned a lot there and have gotten some great ideas from their threads. I've read a lot that people regear in order to make up for the lack of power with the 4 bangers, especially when adding a lift and bigger tires. I'm sure you'll see soon. Welcome again.
Post by: derekmac on February 11, 2013, 12:31:54 PM
By the way, I actually like the color of it! :tu:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 11, 2013, 01:37:53 PM
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on February 12, 2013, 03:43:10 AM
Post by: Thisjk38 on February 12, 2013, 07:19:09 AM
Post by: derekmac on February 12, 2013, 12:34:43 PM
Good to hear. Now remember what JEEP stands for.... Just Empty Every Pocket.Ain't that the truth!! Mine has clunks all around, and now I have weird noises when I put it in 4x4. :facepalm:
Post by: nuphoria on February 12, 2013, 12:35:41 PM
Good to hear. Now remember what JEEP stands for.... Just Empty Every Pocket.
That works!
Over here we refer to Fords as Fix Or Repair Daily :D
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 12, 2013, 01:27:41 PM
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Post by: Grumpy on February 12, 2013, 02:16:54 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 13, 2013, 01:31:14 PM
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Post by: Grumpy on February 13, 2013, 01:39:58 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 13, 2013, 01:58:02 PM
Hell, if Defenders were available here I'd have opted for a Defender over a Jeep! :D
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Post by: Grumpy on February 13, 2013, 02:13:47 PM
the jeep i looked at was a 97 cherokee, i prefer the squarness of them to modern versions! diesel is creeping up in price here all the time & is the costlier of the 3 fuels incl lpg!
my next 4x4 will prob be a jeep to be honest
:D
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 13, 2013, 05:00:11 PM
Come the warmer weather, this will be me!
(http://cdn.jeepforum.com/forum/attachments/f29/257183d1311315705-jk-pic-test-n4-jovacs-3.jpg)
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Post by: Thisjk38 on February 14, 2013, 10:12:04 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 14, 2013, 12:37:14 PM
I'm pretty certain that riding with your foot out the door also breaks some law or another, but that has never stopped me either. Of course, that will be easier now that I have an automatic.... :D
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Post by: MultiMat on February 14, 2013, 01:10:24 PM
We took a 2007 Forester for a spin the other day , in Oz we get the dual range transmission on manual gear boxes models 8).Nice car but hardly any space for the rear passengers , great space in the wagon but no leg room for passengers, especially teenage boys pushing 6 foot. The 2010 Forester the salesman tried to interest in, had a bit more space but they wanted 21 grand for.
Post by: Thisjk38 on February 14, 2013, 01:32:28 PM
I see you have no wing mirror brackets on yours. I have a small set of extra mirrors that I hang on the side when the doors are off. As it turns out here, driving with the doors off is technically illegal here, but it's one of those things that is not enforced, and that few people, if anyone actually knows about, so its pretty safe to do it. Lacking wing mirrors on the other hand will attract unwanted attention, plus I really miss them when they aren't there.
I'm pretty certain that riding with your foot out the door also breaks some law or another, but that has never stopped me either. Of course, that will be easier now that I have an automatic.... :D
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Yeah I don't use any mirror brackets. I just bought those little circle blind spot mirrors that go in the corners of regular rear view mirrors. I stick them on the air vents, and that keeps me legal here in California. For what they are, they work surprisingly well at seeing others. Judging the distance though is another issue. If I see something in the mirror I just stay where I'm at. Next time I take off the doors I may buy some Harley mirrors and stick them in the door hinges. This is what my uncle does. What I don't like about them though is they rattle a bit.
Post by: dks on February 14, 2013, 02:07:41 PM
I assume the high petrol/diesel prices/insurance/tax is making the owners sell them ASAP.
Unfortunately there was no price on them.
Despite having access to more 4WDs than I need and not being fond of Jeeps I was tempted because of the brainwashing I suffer here... :D
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 14, 2013, 03:18:15 PM
(http://a.cdnbrm.com/images/products/large/mirrors/rugged_ridge_mirror_relocation_kit.jpg)
The brackets stay on all the time, the mirrors get attached when the doors come off. I just got them last year and I may scavenge them off my TJ before I sell it, or I may just buy a new set- they are only $40, so not a huge deal. I used to have a set that allowed me to take the mirrors off the doors and relocate them to the windshield, but that was a lot more inconvenient so I switched to a whole new set. I would have left them permanently on the windshield except that you couldn't see them when the doors went back on so you had to keep switching them back and forth.
To be honest I'm not sure I've ever even seen or heard of someone being pulled over and/or ticketed for not having wing mirrors. In the winter here roads get narrower because of the snow, and the roads are already pretty narrow since it's an old city, which means a lot of people lose their wing mirrors to passing traffic.
Despite Jeeps not being common here as I was driving around today I saw 3 parked in different places with a for sale sign....
I assume the high petrol/diesel prices/insurance/tax is making the owners sell them ASAP.
Unfortunately there was no price on them.
Despite having access to more 4WDs than I need and not being fond of Jeeps I was tempted because of the brainwashing I suffer here... :D
Jeeps are in a class their own. Over the years there have been many attempts to duplicate the fun of a Jeep, but just about all of them have failed. There was the Suzuki Sidekick/Chevy Tracker, which was fun, but more of a bumped up car than a truck (although I really liked the X-90 spinoff, which admittedly was more of a semi offroad Miata than anything else), and before that the Samurai, which was a strong contender until it got the bad rep of flipping over- a rep I really never though it deserved as I have known quite a few people with Samurais over the years that have never been upside down in them. Perhaps the only real contender to Jeeps is the old Toyota Land Cruiser- it was as tough and agile as the old Jeeps and also had the removable top/doors. Unfortunately it didn't have the longevity.
Much like the old PST, Jeeps have been improved upon over the years, but they are the ones that set the standard, like it or not. :D
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Post by: dks on February 14, 2013, 06:00:21 PM
Maybe if they were better made (US cars have a really bad reputation for quality and so do Rovers), cheaper, with a normal sized powerfull but economical engine, easier to find any parts for, comfortable and less associated with posers there would have been more of them around.
I do not recall seeing one being driven on an earth road, never mind off-road.
Beacuse of their engine size and tax you are talking Range Rover and Land Cruiser Amazon money.
The lack of decent diesels also hurts them (not so much now; the new diesels are supposed to be good)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 14, 2013, 07:40:24 PM
As for them being poor quality, I kind of disagree. I don't think its poor quality so much as its loose engineering. Americans are famous for that- look at Harley Davidson for example. By European standards they are awful bikes as well, yet they are the undisputed king of bikes here.
The benefit of this loose engineering is that you can add or subtract parts more easily- the looser tolerances and extra spaces allow you to fit in additional parts or components that you wouldn't be able to put in a Porsche Cayenne. It makes them less efficient but easier to repair or modify.
Like anything else, its a matter of preference. Our fuel prices aren't as bad as yours, so fuel economy is less important here. If I was in Europe I doubt very much that I'd have a Jeep, although I would probably opt for the local equivalent.
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Post by: dks on February 14, 2013, 08:12:43 PM
Most proper 4x4s are like that a bit as they need to flex, and be able to give less feedback from the steering wheel when you hit a rock (I learned from driving a tractor never to leave any thumbs inside the steering wheel :P)
Here in the olden days most people that needed 4wd would have a Land Rover or a land cruiser.
Then in the early eighties there was a boom as diesel was cheap and more car like pickup trucks appeared (Chevrolet Luv, Toyota hilux) so many people started buyng more pickups and even their 4wd ones that had really impressive capabilities. At the time they looked like mini monster trucks, especially the Toyotas. Isuzu/Chevrolet were selling the same products and had the best overall product and long lasting 2.3 and 2.5 l diesel engines, whilst Toyotas were taller and faster with their 2.4 l diesels.
At that time the mitsubishi Pajero/shogun appeared with proper off road ability and car like comfort, low noise for a diesel and pretty decent speed (over 160km/h 100miles/h from the 2.3 and later 2.5 turbo diesels). They also came in longer, family friendly, bodies as well as shorter Jeep sized bodies and normally aspirated or turbo charged engines.
The Isuzu trooper was cheaper bur never really had the comfort and overall package of the mitsubishy.
Then Nissan brought the patrol with a 4l "bus" diesel that was huge but slow and the Toyota the Amazon with a "bus" sized body. Range rovers were notoriously unrelieable and were never able to compete with the japanese. At the time diesel was a lot less than petrol so there was no market for petrol engines.
Now diesel and petrol cost about the same, 1.5 Euro per litre, but diesels tend to be more economical on the bigger 4x4s especially compared to the the large petrol engines usually offered with 4x4s (the Suzukis being the exception)
Thus most people are now switching to smaller cars or if they buy a 4x4 they still will go for a diesel, though they will more probably go for a soft-roader as the proper 4x4s are out of fashion now, because of the total cost.
4x4 pickups used to have less tax before as they were considered an agricultutral vehicle, but now they do not, thus they are a lot more expensive than they used to be and less people buy them.
Post by: MultiMat on February 15, 2013, 02:48:04 AM
On the way home we took a 2007 Nissan XTrail for a spin I had gone into the test drive thinking it would be too small for our over sized teenager BUT it had a surprising amount of passenger room :o :o. Damn it , here I was thinking I was knocking the list down :ahhh :ahhh.The Nissan's towing rating is OK for us & the running costs would be cheaper than a Jeep BUT it would not have the same 4WD prowess :think: :think:. The Jeeps look a lot cooler though ::) :D :D
Grant it is funny in Oz it is the opposite Jeep's have a perception as not being as tough as the bigger Toyota's , which are hugely popular , prices for diesel Toyotas is nuts & they often have 300,000km+ on them :ahhh :ahhh. Jeeps I think come behind Toyotas,Nissans(Patrol) & Mitsubishis(Pajero), in regards to popularity :think: :think:. It does mean Jeeps are in our price range though :think: :D :D :D
Post by: tattoosteve99 on February 15, 2013, 03:47:04 AM
Post by: dks on February 15, 2013, 07:22:18 AM
Post by: MultiMat on February 15, 2013, 11:35:35 AM
Multi, the Fiat diesels used in Jeeps (and SAABs) are considered good. They are a bit agricultural in sound but they should work OK.
:cheers: :cheers: mate
Yep the idle is a little 'rocky' but to be honest it was a lot better than I was expecting :o :D. I have read 'million mile motor' a few times when referring too the 2.8L.
The 2.0L VW diesels used in Jeep's don't seem to be as well regarded :think: :think:
Post by: derekmac on February 15, 2013, 12:29:31 PM
Well had a little issue fixing the manifold leak. The studs broke :(. Out came the tools and off with the head lol. Got all the studs out easy :). Now time to put everything back together and see if it passes the emission test ;)Ahh, that drives me! Don't ya just hate it when you're trying to take them off, and you're turning them slowly thinking please don't snap, please don't snap, then off comes the head! :facepalm:
As for them being poor quality, I kind of disagree. I don't think its poor quality so much as its loose engineering. Americans are famous for that- look at Harley Davidson for example. By European standards they are awful bikes as well, yet they are the undisputed king of bikes here.Yeah, at least they're not as bad as most other Chrysler products. I honestly would never buy anything from them except for a truck or Jeep.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 15, 2013, 03:18:54 PM
For the record, here a four door Jeep starts around $24,000 while the base model FJ is $36,000. The price of the version I drove was just over $40k and most of that was the "off road" package and no creature comforts. For around what the base FJ cost I got an almost fully loaded Jeep. The only thing I didn't get was leather.
Given those numbers, as far as I'm concerned the Toyota isn't even an option. The XTerras price tag was very similar to the FJ but was a much worse truck.
Those are the only three solid front axle non pickup 4x4's available here.
Def
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on February 17, 2013, 02:46:04 AM
Post by: Thisjk38 on February 17, 2013, 11:30:09 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 17, 2013, 05:36:03 PM
Well I have to say I enjoyed mine while it lasted. My inlaws are supposed to be coming over this afternoon for coffee so my wife decided to go out and get some donuts as well. She thought it would be need to take the Jeep. She liked it so much she went to the donut shop on the other side of town. When she got home with the donuts she call her parents to let them know that she was coming to pick them up in it rather than let them come over by themselves in their own car.
I may not get it back.
Def
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Post by: derekmac on February 17, 2013, 06:47:05 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 17, 2013, 07:19:31 PM
Fortunately my wife rarely drives (I have no idea why we are spending so much money on a car for her) so even if she does decide to drive the Jeep from now on I doubt much will change. :P
Def
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on February 18, 2013, 02:17:14 AM
Post by: Thisjk38 on February 19, 2013, 11:04:41 AM
Post by: nuphoria on February 19, 2013, 11:46:31 AM
This thread inspired me to finally upload an avatar.
Nice.. looks like a Roman viaduct.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 19, 2013, 12:16:23 PM
I wonder if Jeeps will last as long as Roman architecture? :D
Def
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on February 24, 2013, 07:18:24 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 24, 2013, 12:39:59 PM
BTW, I suggest that you check (and replace) the spare if it hasn't been done already. When I got my TJ it was about ten years old and still had the factory spare on it. That spare was useless as it was cracked, which means if I ever tried to use it I'd get all of two miles further down the road before getting stuck with another flat- and given that this one would have blown the sidewall, it would have been a bad and possibly dangerous blowout.
Make sure to rotate the spare in with the rest of your tires when you rotate them and don't use any tire that is more than five years old or has cracks on the sidewall. The rubber breaks down faster when kept outside the vehicle.
Def
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 24, 2013, 12:49:00 PM
http://www.quadratec.com/brutegiveaway/
(http://www.quadratec.com/brutegiveaway/images/BRUTEgiveaway_parts.jpg)
That is pretty sweet!
Def
Post by: Sazabi on February 24, 2013, 09:10:19 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 24, 2013, 09:20:13 PM
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Post by: bmot on February 26, 2013, 10:55:47 AM
http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/2014-Jeep-Cherokee-unveiled-2013-02-25
Post by: jzmtl on February 27, 2013, 06:45:19 AM
Just thought I'd drop this here... New Jeep Cherokee :facepalm:
http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/2014-Jeep-Cherokee-unveiled-2013-02-25
w. t. f... :dwts:
Post by: Thisjk38 on February 27, 2013, 08:46:34 AM
Spare -> passenger rear
PR-> PF
PF-> DR
DR-> DF
DF-> Spare.
Post by: dks on February 27, 2013, 10:33:39 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 27, 2013, 12:24:23 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 17, 2013, 03:19:58 AM
I also got an extra set of grab handles yesterday and put them under the headrests to make it easier to get in and out of the back seats. I have another set of handles to hang on the roll bar in the back seats as well but I haven't put those in yet. I did however put grab handles on the roll bar in the front seats- special ones I'd bought for my yellow Jeep when I got it. They actually say HOLY S*%"! on them. :D
I also have brackets for external wing mirrors when I take the doors off to install. I'll do that when I do the rain visors over the windows when the weather gets nicer. And I have a set of brackets to mount lights on the windshield too, but those are out getting powdercoated and I won't have them until next week, which is no big deal as I don't yet have lights to put on them yet.
Anyways, here's a shot of the headlight guards and some of the other stuff I picked up.
Def
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Post by: derekmac on May 02, 2013, 02:55:38 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 02, 2013, 05:02:59 PM
I'm on the lookout for some decent 16" rims for mine so I can start hunting for some nice 33" tires. I'll probably end up going with Mickey Thompson tires for it.
Def
Post by: derekmac on May 02, 2013, 05:29:22 PM
Are you going to put a lift on yours? I still plan on getting one for mine, but I'm only going to go with a 2" lift. That way the stock components will still work, and it will still ride close to stock.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 02, 2013, 05:46:50 PM
Chances are I'll leave it at the stock height, armor the heck out of the underside and get a decent winch to pull me off of whatever I may get suck on.
Def
Post by: derekmac on May 02, 2013, 11:03:28 PM
Got my tires on today, and there's not much room left in the wheel wells. It might rub a little on the front at full lock or when flexed, but nothing a little trimming won't fix!
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 02, 2013, 11:44:15 PM
How do they feel when driving?
Def
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 03, 2013, 01:17:15 AM
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Post by: bmot on May 03, 2013, 11:50:06 PM
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/Watch-a-six-wheeled-G63-destroy-the-desert-2013-03-15
http://www.topgear.com/uk/mercedes-benz/g-class/road-test/6x6-driven
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 04, 2013, 12:16:59 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 06, 2013, 12:42:24 AM
Part of the reason I waited so long to do it this year is I wasn't certain how I was going to store the hard top. I had seen carts designed to hold the top vertically with the rear glass on the bottom, so I decided to look into them again. When I looked I saw they were just a few 2x4's with wheels on the bottom and some padding and they sell for $170. Screw that!
http://www.quadratec.com/products/12020_301_07.htm
Off to Home Depot I went, got some weather-stripping, castors and bolts and made my own for well under $10 and Def is storing his hard top in the garage with no problems!
Def
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Post by: derekmac on May 06, 2013, 01:40:35 AM
Since putting the bigger tires on I'm having minor rubbing at full lock on the fender liners. They'll push back far enough that the tires won't rub, but I can't figure out a good way to keep them pushed back. I'll have to pull the liners to see if there's a spot that I can zip tie them to.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 06, 2013, 03:25:13 AM
I seem to recall them being a lot more involved than that, but I guess I was imagining it.
Def
Post by: derekmac on May 06, 2013, 05:09:35 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 09, 2013, 12:13:39 AM
It seems almost criminal not to have the top down in this weather!
Def
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on May 10, 2013, 01:40:56 AM
I've been riding around with the top down for the last two days and now I've got a pretty good sun burn. Summer showed up overnight and its been beautiful here the last couple of days.Grrrrr oh shut up :P. It hasn't stopped raining long enough or got warm enough here yet :( ugh
It seems almost criminal not to have the top down in this weather!
Def
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 10, 2013, 02:58:01 AM
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Post by: derekmac on May 14, 2013, 01:01:55 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 14, 2013, 02:44:48 AM
I swapped out my fog lamps and marker lights for LEDs today. I took some photos that I'll post later when I've had some rest and both eyes are pointed in the same direction...
Def
Post by: Chako on May 15, 2013, 02:43:15 AM
For my needs, it will be perfect.
Post by: tattoosteve99 on May 15, 2013, 04:29:32 AM
Post by: Chako on May 15, 2013, 05:10:49 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 15, 2013, 12:08:50 PM
http://www.jeep.ca/en/4x4basics/systemwork
Either way, don't expect to go off roading with it- I know that isn't your intent, but I want to reinforce that without heavy modification even light trails will be a problem as the Patriot has far too much front and rear overhang and not enough clearance on the underside for anything more than a dirt road.
EDIT- I just found out that North Editions come with either 2 or 4 wheel drive. Better ask.
Def
Post by: derekmac on May 15, 2013, 12:34:55 PM
Now you gotta jack it up, add bigger tires, get new axles etc etc. remember jeep stands for just empty every pocket ;)Haha, that it does Steve, that it does! :D
Hope it works out for you Chako! If you get it, make sure to share some pics with us! :)
Post by: Chako on May 16, 2013, 02:35:36 AM
The bad news. I went to the bank, got a certified check for the full amount. Drove over to the dealer only to find out they didn't clean it up any. It had the worst wax job I have ever seen. So much so that it could easily hide lots of imperfections. I wanted to see it cleaned up before I handed him the money. So, now I have to go back after work tomorrow to see it cleaned up...and then I will hand him the check. I think I have a good idea and will probably go through with the deal. I am sorry to say I am falling in love with the little Jeep. So if all checks out, I should be driving it by this weekend...if all the l licensing and stuff on their end goes through as expected.
Def you are correct. Never going to take it off roading. Snow covered roads on the other hand...it will do just fine. :tu:
Post by: Sazabi on May 16, 2013, 01:48:44 PM
Post by: Chako on May 17, 2013, 12:56:50 AM
On a bit of a laughter note. The salesman opened the hood and told me it comes with an electronic rust prevention module. He informed me it was around 600 to 800 dollars. All I could think was the poor original owner got screwed by the dealer into buying that...and to promptly undercoat the vehicle with oil before winter sets.
Post by: derekmac on May 17, 2013, 01:02:46 AM
Just make sure you check the depth of any puddles you come across cause you never know. :rofl:
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h272/13mwz/ocala_jeep_swim2.jpg)
Post by: Chako on May 17, 2013, 01:09:37 AM
Post by: Sazabi on May 17, 2013, 03:16:23 AM
On the plus side...that electronic rust prevention module should work better under water than on dry land. :rofl:
What is an electronic rust prevention module? It sounds like snake oil and unicorn farts. :think:
Post by: Chako on May 17, 2013, 04:24:27 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathodic_protection
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 17, 2013, 01:05:19 PM
It is complete and utter bull poopy, but people buy them and legitimate stores (Canadian Tire, Wal Mart etc) as well as dealers sell them, which makes them seem legitimate. There is a scientific principle that they work on, but in practice it's a different story.
Def
Post by: Chako on May 18, 2013, 01:14:52 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Album%202/IMG_2269small_zps9e7e3bf7.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Album%202/IMG_2269small_zps9e7e3bf7.jpg.html)
Another angle...with my dying Chevy Venture in the background.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Album%202/IMG_2267small_zpsc818a36c.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Album%202/IMG_2267small_zpsc818a36c.jpg.html)
Here is the interior.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Album%202/IMG_2272small_zpsff35e8fa.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Album%202/IMG_2272small_zpsff35e8fa.jpg.html)
The only scratch that I found is on the tailgate. I am going to get this looked after later. I can just feel it with my fingernail.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Album%202/IMG_2270small_zpsae018cb3.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Album%202/IMG_2270small_zpsae018cb3.jpg.html)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 18, 2013, 01:44:46 AM
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Post by: Chako on May 18, 2013, 03:10:53 AM
Post by: Sazabi on May 18, 2013, 03:15:30 AM
Post by: Chako on May 18, 2013, 01:09:26 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 18, 2013, 01:47:06 PM
That having been said, I have a built in Nav system in my Jeep and I do use it, but I doubt I'll spend money on updates for it when it starts to get old.
Def
Post by: Chako on May 19, 2013, 04:41:09 AM
Post by: derekmac on May 20, 2013, 02:13:55 AM
So the wife and I decided to take the Jeep in the woods today to get dirty (get your minds out of the gutter), and just as we finished a trail and were about to head back home we spotted a Tracker going down another trail and decided to follow him. One good thing about using Google maps is that it shows most of the major trails on it, and as we were almost near the end (about an hour or so in) the guy turned around and started to head back the way we came. I thought that was weird so we kept on going on as it looked like the end was very near, and it was. The only problem was, it came out at what I think was a quarry road that had the gate locked on weekends! :facepalm:
I said there's no way I'm driving back the way we came, so I got out and checked out and ATV path that went around the gate. It was pretty tight, and there were no truck tire tracks in there that I could see. At the end of the zig zaggy path around the gate was a pile of rocks that I thought I would probably get hung up on, but I figured I was at a main road and could get a tug if I needed it. I did make it through but wouldn't want to try it again, and the rock pile is a little smoother at the top now though :rofl:.
I wish my wife had taken some more pics as these really don't show how bad it was for a stock vehicle to get through. I scrapped the bigger rock on the passenger side going over.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/20130519_163219_zps8777f5cc.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/20130519_163219_zps8777f5cc.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/20130519_163216_zpsdf9376f3.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/20130519_163216_zpsdf9376f3.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/20130519_163309_zps735caa09.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/20130519_163309_zps735caa09.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/20130519_163311_zps14d6c02e.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/20130519_163311_zps14d6c02e.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/20130519_163301_zps2ec6cbe9.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/20130519_163301_zps2ec6cbe9.jpg.html)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 20, 2013, 02:48:55 AM
Looks like you had a good time! Was the Tracker you saw black, lifted and riding on 33's? If so it was probably Dave.
Def
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Post by: derekmac on May 20, 2013, 02:55:43 AM
I guess the guys did do Renfrew today though. I went in at Enfield, and out at Beaver Bank.
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Post by: derekmac on May 26, 2013, 01:41:39 AM
Here's my Jeep postcard pic :D
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Post by: derekmac on May 26, 2013, 01:47:27 AM
There will be some more pics and vids here.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 26, 2013, 02:04:03 AM
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Post by: Chako on May 26, 2013, 02:26:14 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 26, 2013, 03:36:47 AM
They are the number one sport utility/light truck tire on the road today for a very good reason. They are a great tire at a great price. See them at Costco or Canadian Tire.
Oh, and be prepared to spend more on truck tires than you did on van tires...
Def
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Post by: Chako on May 26, 2013, 01:58:55 PM
EDIT: These are stock tires. I did a little research and found these Wrangler SR/A tires are not liked by many. Thanks for the info and heads up. I will wait and see what its like in snow, and if they perform very poorly, I will switch over to your recommendation.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 26, 2013, 04:24:26 PM
However, that being said, if you can do better, you might as well. The BFG A/T's are not significantly more expensive, will do everything your current rubber will do, and will give you a bit better bite everywhere you feel like going, on road or off, fair weather or foul.
As I said, I wouldn't bother replacing perfectly good tires, but when it's time for them to go I wouldn't hesitate to put the A/T's on it. If nothing else, they look nicer on a truck. :D
Def
Post by: Chako on May 26, 2013, 10:14:23 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 26, 2013, 10:21:07 PM
http://tires.canadiantire.ca/en/tires/light-truck-tires/product/0082357P/goodyear-wrangler-rt-s/
The BF Goodrich All Terrain starts at $167/tire:
http://tires.canadiantire.ca/en/tires/light-truck-tires/product/0082847P/bfgoodrich-all-terrain-t-a-ko/
So on top of being a nice tire, you could save yourself $12 whole dollars when you replace all 4! :D
Def
Post by: Chako on May 26, 2013, 10:39:13 PM
EDIT, that link to Canadian Tire shows they don't even sell the Wrangler 17" tires. :facepalm:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 26, 2013, 10:50:17 PM
For example (and I admit this is a pretty absurd difference- your difference won't be as great) on my new Jeep I have 18" rims, and I can get a 33" BFG A/T (33x12.5x18) for about $400/wheel. If I go down to a 16" rim, which is the smallest I can put on a JK, the price for the same size tire (33x12.5x16) drops to about $250/wheel. In my case it's $150/wheel difference (times 5 wheels, vs your four! :ahhh) so I break even on the first set if I spend up to $150/rim on smaller rims, and save lots of money on future tire purchases.
You might be looking at around $20-30/wheel savings, but multiply that by 4 tires and you could probably end up paying the same amount for four 15" tires that you would for three 17" ones. Even better if you get them on the usual Canadian Tire "Buy three, get one free" event they usually run a number of times each year.
If you plan to keep the Jeep for a couple of years that may not be much help, but if you plan to keep it for longer it could save you money in the long run, and you won't notice the difference when you are driving it. If anything more rubber will equal a smoother ride.
Def
Post by: Cupboard on May 26, 2013, 11:42:59 PM
And why don't they fit them by default?
Post by: derekmac on May 27, 2013, 12:05:09 AM
Also when it comes to something you want to take off road, you want to have a higher sidewall, which is another reason that people buying new Jeeps buy new smaller rims.
My Jeep has 17" rims as it's a special edition, but most of the Grand Cherokees in my generation came with 16" rims. Stock tire size is 235/65-17, but I went with 245/70-17 as a replacement. I bought used, and it took me a long time to find the ones I bought. If I had of had 16" rims, I would have had no problem finding tires, and they would have been cheaper.
The BFG tires Grant is talking about are really nice tires too BTW.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 27, 2013, 12:36:37 AM
Also, since few Jeeps (or trucks in general) are likely to ever see more than a gravel parking lot at the outlet mall it's not important to the manufacturers that the vehicles come from the factory with the right specs for getting dirty. Larger wheels look nicer because they are generally shinier or more complex to draw people's eyes to them.
Of course, I also bought the Sahara model, which doesn't help. For those not familiar with the Wrangler series there are three trim levels- the Sport (and Sport S) which are base models, the Sahara which is the luxury edition and the Rubicon which is the most expensive and geared more towards off roaders, although to be honest, I think that's false economy. The Rubicon comes with less features than the Sahara but does have 17" rims (vs the Sahara's 18"), electronic sway bar disconnect and a heavier rear end (4:10 vs the 3:11 standard on Sport and Sahara models or the 3:73 upgrade that I got in mine). Of course, if you actually bought a Rubicon for off roading, you'd probably be swapping out the rims, sway bar and axles for heavier, more purpose built ones anyway, so I don't really see the point of paying more to get less. I actually was looking at Rubicons for a while until I started to actually do the math.
Def
Post by: bmot on May 27, 2013, 12:49:53 AM
http://www.wimp.com/cartank/
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 27, 2013, 01:27:17 AM
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Post by: bmot on May 27, 2013, 01:31:19 AM
Post by: Chako on May 28, 2013, 02:35:20 AM
Well what I can say is this. I love the ride that my 17" tires do give me on the jeep. It is a huge difference over what my Chevy Venture mini van gave me. The Jeep more or less floats over road imperfections...and there are plenty of those in my town. So no complaints.
I do not plan on going off-road with it anytime soon, if ever. I wanted 4x4 for winter driving, and nasty Northern Ontario logging roads. So far I am impressed and happy with my purchase.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 28, 2013, 02:57:41 AM
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Post by: derekmac on May 28, 2013, 12:20:46 PM
My father's cousin in the Soo bought a 2013 Wrangler Sahara Unlimited around the same time I got mine. His doesn't go out in the rain or snow though. :whistle:I think they must have meant to give him keys to a minivan, but grabbed the wrong ones by mistake. :facepalm:
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Post by: derekmac on June 03, 2013, 02:32:50 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 03, 2013, 03:43:51 AM
My wife decided we needed to head home early so we broke from the group and followed another trail that should have led out. What we didn't know, but found out the hard way was that the trail that we headed out on was washed out and I lost a couple of wheels in trench. I broke the factory issue Chrysler jack trying to lift the wheels up to put rocks under the wheels which left me completely screwed. I had been trying to call for help but we were in a dead zone and the rest of the pack was out of CB range.
Eventually we did get a hold of the rest of the pack, I was pulled out and we stuck with the pack the rest of the way... sort of.
We were at the back of the line when we suddenly came to a clearing where Derek and three other Jeeps had stopped. They all looked at me and asked which way. Of course the three lead vehicles weren't watching behind them and number 4 (James) had taken a wrong turn and led us... well, I don't know where we ended up. Luckily I ordered the GPS on my Jeep and I was able to lead us out of the woods to meet up with the three leaders who were already out.
Anyways, here are a few photos:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/970645_10152912790985441_2110002559_n.jpg)
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Despite losing the leaders and me getting stuck, we had a great time. If there was an MVP on this trip though, it's that big Ford pickup you see parked behind me in the top photo. That guy started the run by breaking a valve stem off one of his tires while airing down, and replaced it right there. Then a few hundred yards later he broke the frame on his truck which meant he had to drive out with a driver's door that really didn't close properly and a bed that was hanging off it on an odd angle. Then, a little while later (right after squeezing that big truck through the mud and trees pictured above) he broke the column shift handle off the column while trying to put it in drive.
Fortunately, being a mechanic and a veteran trail rider he was able to rig up fixes for everything that went wrong as we went. He may have broken a lot of things (and he had to get pulled out at one point- the spot where he broke his frame) but he still made it out under his own power.
In the end it was a great day- in fact, the four door orange Jeep (not to be confused with the two door orange Jeep!) and the silver TJ are new to our group. I met the lady in the 4 door yesterday morning waiting for Costco to open and invited her and her boyfriend (silver TJ) along. This was their fourth trail ride, the first three being with the local Jeep Club, and they said this was by far the best trail ride they've ever been on. Got to love the lawlessness of our group! :D
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Post by: derekmac on June 03, 2013, 04:31:40 AM
I do have to say that was a pretty nasty washout you were in! I'm glad you were able to get a hold of the group, and Dave was able to give you a tug.
As Grant said, the jack failed in a bad way. He would have been able to make it forward and out if he had of been able to lift the Jeep enough to get a couple of rocks under the tire.
I've been thinking about getting a set of air horns for the Jeep, maybe that way I could lay on the horn if the lead vehicle get ahead.
It was a good romp in the muck today, on a trial that wouldn't damage our stock rigs. I also have to say my new tires worked great! I went through some nasty spots in 2wd where I probably would have had trouble getting through in 4x4 with my old tires.
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Post by: dks on June 03, 2013, 06:55:43 AM
Next time you will buy a proper Off-Road car, so that you will not get stuck on a bit of mud and some pebbles. :tu:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 03, 2013, 11:42:18 AM
That washout basically left the right side of the road a good two feet lower than the left side. I struggled a bit and all that accomplished was getting my Jeep to shift a little to the side until I got hung up in the middle and none of the wheels had enough weight on them to get traction. If I had my TJ, and if I had my Hi Lift jack I'd have been out in minutes rather than sitting there for almost an hour, trying to call for help and breaking my jack.
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Post by: dks on June 03, 2013, 07:48:29 PM
tapa beta
Post by: Whoey on June 06, 2013, 01:10:40 PM
Parque Natural de las Bardenas Reales (Navarra) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz32nY6wKv4#ws)
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 06, 2013, 04:27:04 PM
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Post by: derekmac on June 09, 2013, 12:58:37 AM
I didn't realize it stopped recording, so I missed all the good spots! :facepalm:
Def, did you get anything good from the GoPro?
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 09, 2013, 03:13:34 AM
I forgot about the camera in your back windshield...
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 09, 2013, 12:58:27 PM
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Post by: Beerplumber on June 13, 2013, 01:47:57 AM
Keep calm and jeep on
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 13, 2013, 02:32:00 AM
Thanks for the heads up on the bushings. I had something similar for my TJ and thought I should get a set for the JKU.
I also found that my local Jeep dealer has 2.5" lifts in stock and I'm very tempted to do that to give a set of 33x12.5x16's some breathing room. Since it would be done by the dealer my warranty should be unmolested.
I have one set of LED fog lamps left if you are interested. :D
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Post by: Beerplumber on June 13, 2013, 04:33:24 AM
As for lifting I am also doing 2.5 for 33's. I've been researching for many months. A good brand will warranty their own parts and proper components should help everything else last longer. My top picks were AEV, Synergy, Clayton and Terraflex. I ended up getting a Rock Krawler kit. Fully adjustable, upgradable, life time warranty and reinforces existing hardware. After you see drop brackets you'll wish you went with extensions and adjustable parts from what I've seen. The few Mopar set-ups I've seen appear to be nice kit and you're pretty well versed already. I've installed a Rock Krawler kit recently and was immediately sold. Ill be watching to see what you end up doing. I should be installing my own next weekend so ill let yous know how I make out!
Keep calm and jeep on
Post by: Threeme2189 on June 13, 2013, 05:11:26 AM
For off-roaring you would want to get the Kevlar reinforced ones.
Off-Roaring sounds awesome :-)
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 13, 2013, 11:38:46 AM
LED fog!? Yes very interested! So far I did reverse, dome and some underseat LED's but haven't found fogs yet.
As for lifting I am also doing 2.5 for 33's. I've been researching for many months. A good brand will warranty their own parts and proper components should help everything else last longer. My top picks were AEV, Synergy, Clayton and Terraflex. I ended up getting a Rock Krawler kit. Fully adjustable, upgradable, life time warranty and reinforces existing hardware. After you see drop brackets you'll wish you went with extensions and adjustable parts from what I've seen. The few Mopar set-ups I've seen appear to be nice kit and you're pretty well versed already. I've installed a Rock Krawler kit recently and was immediately sold. Ill be watching to see what you end up doing. I should be installing my own next weekend so ill let yous know how I make out!
Keep calm and jeep on
I don't know if you read far enough back to see the LED install, but here's a couple of photos:
Here are the standard fog lamps:
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/LED%20Light%20install/2013-05-16_16-36-27_9_zps41fa7f9f.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/LED%20Light%20install/2013-05-16_16-36-27_9_zps41fa7f9f.jpg.html)
Here are the LED ones:
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/LED%20Light%20install/2013-05-21_20-23-18_691_zps21a52015.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/LED%20Light%20install/2013-05-21_20-23-18_691_zps21a52015.jpg.html)
Sure it would have been better if I'd been able to take a pic of them side by side, but maybe I'll see what I can do on our next trail ride.
My boss has had serious problems since he installed his 4" lift, so I am a bit paranoid when it comes to lifts. The one the dealer has is Rugged Ridge and a 2.5" lift means I am not changing the geometry much, which means no extra pressure on my steering or drive line. Besides, his is a toy, mine is my daily work truck, so he can be a bit more extravagant while I'm somewhat limited. His is a year old and has just over 10K while mine is barely 5 months and I have over 8k on it already.
Still, you can order them from the factory with up to a 3" lift, so I figure a 2.5 won't be so bad.
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Post by: derekmac on June 13, 2013, 12:44:21 PM
I was looking at the Rough Country lifts for the JK, and if he bought the one with the drop pitman arm, and trackbar bracket, I can see why he'd be having problems like he is. They have a kit that comes with the proper adjustable parts, but it's double the price of the other one.
I think a 2-3" lift is good for a daily driver. As you said, you won't really be putting any extra strain on anything. If you go with a big lift, chances are you'll be replacing parts/bushing on a far more regular basis.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 13, 2013, 12:53:19 PM
Its back at CVO now for the third time since the lift was installed (not counting the install) to see if they can get it right this time.
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Post by: derekmac on June 15, 2013, 12:24:40 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 15, 2013, 12:48:27 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 15, 2013, 11:41:29 PM
Armoring the underside is never a bad idea.
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Post by: derekmac on June 16, 2013, 03:02:30 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 16, 2013, 03:10:38 AM
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Post by: Beerplumber on June 18, 2013, 12:47:31 AM
Keep calm and jeep on
Post by: derekmac on June 18, 2013, 01:40:24 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 18, 2013, 04:28:04 PM
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Post by: Beerplumber on June 20, 2013, 06:34:23 PM
That Gecko green taunts me!it does look nice but I don't think I'd want to live with it lol!
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Had a super good time. Can't wait to try the trails back in Nova someday.
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Post by: derekmac on June 20, 2013, 06:49:16 PM
I plasti dipped my rims black as I was getting tired of the chrome. I love plasti dip, but it's $20 a can here compared to $5ish in the States.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 21, 2013, 12:49:21 AM
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Post by: Beerplumber on June 24, 2013, 05:44:16 PM
Keep calm and jeep on
Post by: derekmac on June 24, 2013, 06:44:53 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 24, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
The rims I am looking at are the Tank model from Worx.
http://www.worxwheels.com/index.php/wheels/wheel-styles
The standard Tank, not the Mask version, although that does look cool too. I like a more open wheel- I'd go for the three spoke but its not available in a 16 inch version.
Also, I like going with a dedicated off road tire not because it looks cool (which it does! :P) but because the ten ply tires and heavy lugs are going to resist punctures a lot better at work than standard six ply tires.
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Post by: Beerplumber on June 24, 2013, 07:28:38 PM
Keep calm and jeep on
Post by: derekmac on June 27, 2013, 02:31:10 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 27, 2013, 02:44:10 AM
Someone once told me why the backs of hot rods were jacked up but the fronts were left alone- it's because cars always go faster downhill!
I've decided that my yellow TJ isn't going anywhere. I'm going to fix it up rather than sell it. I have had to move it a few times in the last few days and it is just such a blast to drive I really can't bring myself to sell it for the pittance I've been offered for it.
I love my new Jeep, but the TJ is just such a blast... I really can't put into words how much fun it is. It's the perfect balance of high tech fuel efficiency and road side fixability.
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Post by: derekmac on June 27, 2013, 03:25:58 AM
I'm really surprised the TJ didn't sell! Any plans to mod it?
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 27, 2013, 11:45:52 AM
Beyond that I'll probably do a three inch lift, some bigger tires, fancy paint once I clean up the body, some lights, a winch etc.
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Post by: derekmac on June 27, 2013, 12:31:12 PM
You should change the oil in the diffs and transfer case too while you're at it. When I did the diffs in mine last year, the gear oil was nasty that came out of it!
Post by: Whoey on June 27, 2013, 01:40:40 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 27, 2013, 01:54:46 PM
As for buying it, you'd better get an awesome job when you move back here because it won't be going cheap when I'm done!
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Post by: derekmac on June 27, 2013, 05:17:01 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 28, 2013, 01:06:27 PM
If I can free up a few hours I might go, I just doubt it.
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Post by: Whoey on June 28, 2013, 01:32:42 PM
I'm hoping to do an almost complete rebuild since it has now changed from being a daily driver to a toy. It probably won't be back on the road (or off it!) for some time, but it should be a fun project.
As for buying it, you'd better get an awesome job when you move back here because it won't be going cheap when I'm done!
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 28, 2013, 02:24:03 PM
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Post by: sir_mike on June 28, 2013, 07:35:51 PM
I would also like something to use on the bumpers to make them look better.
The mileage is only 47,400 and I would like to keep it around for awhile! :)
Looking for recommendations of products that have been used/tested that work! Thx.
Post by: derekmac on June 28, 2013, 07:42:00 PM
Post by: sir_mike on June 28, 2013, 08:01:35 PM
I've used a heat gun before to bring faded bumpers back, but you have to be REALLY CAREFUL! http://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=38239
That is interesting but I dont have a heat gun! :)
Post by: Beerplumber on June 28, 2013, 09:34:29 PM
Keep calm and jeep on
Post by: derekmac on June 29, 2013, 01:49:25 AM
Tonight I went to install my new window regulator so I could start using my window again. Had everything tore apart, went to put the new one in and nope. Rock Auto sent me the wrong one. :facepalm:
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 29, 2013, 05:21:50 PM
A friend of mine (Gomez) is trying to lift his 4Runner now and not having much luck either. Apparently all four corners are now riding at a different height. :ahhh
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Post by: dks on June 29, 2013, 07:23:40 PM
Apparently all four corners are now riding at a different height. :ahhh
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is the floor flat? >:D
I am allways worried when a single (home/mate/gifted ex racer etc) mechanic is allowed to improve something that a major company employing hundreds of top mechanics/designers/engineers made and decided that it was fine for its purpose. Even putting larger tyres on a car can make it feel like a boat.
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Post by: derekmac on June 29, 2013, 09:31:11 PM
June 29th Run (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU8tG0IeoBE#)
Post by: enki_ck on June 30, 2013, 03:12:13 AM
From today's run.
June 29th Run (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU8tG0IeoBE#)
Sorry if I'm a bit late, but happy birthday. :cheers:
Post by: Beerplumber on June 30, 2013, 08:50:13 AM
Keep calm and jeep on
Post by: derekmac on June 30, 2013, 05:45:54 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 30, 2013, 06:30:34 PM
Lookin good! :tu: Now lets see it with some mud on it! :D
It'll look way better when it's dirty!
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Post by: Beerplumber on July 01, 2013, 05:24:45 AM
This better? ;)Lookin good! :tu: Now lets see it with some mud on it! :D
It'll look way better when it's dirty!
Def
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On a multi note, I keep a Crunch in the console and use it to disco my swaybar links.
Keep calm and jeep on
Post by: derekmac on July 01, 2013, 05:41:22 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 01, 2013, 01:08:08 PM
What are those lights you have on the windshield?
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Post by: Beerplumber on July 01, 2013, 07:44:11 PM
I agree- much better!Floody Rigid dually's. I think the mounts are MBRP. have them aimed out slightly which really makes for a nice field of illumination with the headlights with PIAA bulbs. Also great if you pull into campsite after dark. LED so I just flick those on to set up site. Super happy with my whole setup now. Those KM2's are ridiculous. Feel like I'm driving a boat in mud holes. Stay on the gas and she just keeps going. Have a four day wheeling trip to BC coming up so trying to get dialed in before the end of the month. Gotta go wash off all this crusty mud now lol!
What are those lights you have on the windshield?
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 01, 2013, 08:02:56 PM
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Post by: derekmac on July 01, 2013, 09:32:53 PM
Gotta go wash off all this crusty mud now lol!I'm going to pretend I didn't just read that! :facepalm: :rofl:
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 01, 2013, 09:48:52 PM
Well, technically it'll be going somewhere that I can store and work on it. I'm super thrilled that I got her to agree to it because I love that truck and it's soooo much fun to drive! :D
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Post by: derekmac on July 02, 2013, 12:26:53 AM
Good news- the wife and I had a little chat this morning and it seems my yellow Jeep isn't going anywhere! :DThat's awesome, glad to hear it!! :tu: I see a 6" lift and 35's in its future!! :D
Well, technically it'll be going somewhere that I can store and work on it. I'm super thrilled that I got her to agree to it because I love that truck and it's soooo much fun to drive! :D
Def
Speaking of lift, today I finished installing my 2" BB.
Here's before:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/IMAG0295_zpse536ab90.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/IMAG0295_zpse536ab90.jpg.html)
And after:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/IMAG0339_zps6601c25a.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/IMAG0339_zps6601c25a.jpg.html)
Again, not too much of a difference, but it's the most I can go without having to change out a bunch of other parts that will cost 5x what this did.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 02, 2013, 12:52:48 AM
The stance looks better, plus the extra travel will be worth it.
As for my TJ, probably going to stick to a three inch lift at most. I don't want to have to replace 3/4 of the truck if I don't have to. I've always been a bit leery of climbing steep hills with it, and a huge lift would make me a lot more paranoid than I already am.
Jeep Roll Over (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTkuE_kGfqU#)
That short wheelbase can be pretty unstable at the best of times- start lifting the center of gravity too high and you have a recipe for disaster!
Def
Post by: derekmac on July 02, 2013, 01:55:16 AM
Two inches is two inches- who cares what it looks like as long as it works, right? :DThat's what she said. No, really, she did. I'm happy with how it turned out.
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The stance looks better, plus the extra travel will be worth it.Yeah for sure, can't say I blame you there. 3" would be a good height for the TJ, and you could still put a good size tire on it.
As for my TJ, probably going to stick to a three inch lift at most. I don't want to have to replace 3/4 of the truck if I don't have to. I've always been a bit leery of climbing steep hills with it, and a huge lift would make me a lot more paranoid than I already am.
Jeep Roll Over (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTkuE_kGfqU#)
That short wheelbase can be pretty unstable at the best of times- start lifting the center of gravity too high and you have a recipe for disaster!
Def
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Post by: Beerplumber on July 02, 2013, 04:09:28 AM
That looks so much better! Nice work!Good news- the wife and I had a little chat this morning and it seems my yellow Jeep isn't going anywhere! :DThat's awesome, glad to hear it!! :tu: I see a 6" lift and 35's in its future!! :D
Well, technically it'll be going somewhere that I can store and work on it. I'm super thrilled that I got her to agree to it because I love that truck and it's soooo much fun to drive! :D
Def
Speaking of lift, today I finished installing my 2" BB.
Here's before:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/IMAG0295_zpse536ab90.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/IMAG0295_zpse536ab90.jpg.html)
And after:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/IMAG0339_zps6601c25a.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/IMAG0339_zps6601c25a.jpg.html)
Again, not too much of a difference, but it's the most I can go without having to change out a bunch of other parts that will cost 5x what this did.
Keep calm and jeep on
Post by: derekmac on July 06, 2013, 02:47:43 AM
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/IMAG0341_zps3ce15b37.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/IMAG0341_zps3ce15b37.jpg.html)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 06, 2013, 03:01:42 AM
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Post by: Beerplumber on July 06, 2013, 07:33:28 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 06, 2013, 07:46:18 PM
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Post by: derekmac on July 17, 2013, 01:22:38 AM
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/IMAG0399_zps7fac0302.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/IMAG0399_zps7fac0302.jpg.html)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 17, 2013, 01:44:19 AM
Step 1: Jack up truck and remove wheel.
Step 2: Spray WD-40 all over the caliper.
Step 3: Whack the caliper with a wrench a few times.
Step 4: Replace tire.
That pretty well always works for me. Nice looking camper by the way. I'm currently drooling over one of these:
http://www.rvhotlinecanada.com/newrvdetail1.asp?dealer_no=4280&vehicle_no=402510#.UeXac6xdC-c
23 feet long and only 2850lbs, full bath and a 24" tip out. Just about everything I want in a trailer. Maybe we'll get it next year... maybe...
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Post by: derekmac on July 17, 2013, 02:16:16 AM
That's a sweet looking camper! I can't believe how light it is! It would definitely look good behind the JK!
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 17, 2013, 02:42:19 AM
These ones are made in Quebec too, which is pretty cool too.
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Post by: 3rdpig on July 17, 2013, 02:48:10 AM
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/60401942/98ZJ_1.jpg)
I can now retire my 80 CJ-7 from the daily driver role it's been in for the last 10 years or so. I've had it since 84, I think it's time for a total makeover.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/60401942/80CJ.jpg)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 17, 2013, 03:07:02 AM
I'm loving that CJ though. Gotta love the Wranglers!
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Post by: derekmac on July 17, 2013, 03:30:51 AM
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Post by: derekmac on July 19, 2013, 07:42:45 PM
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/IMAG0420_zps32349e2a.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/IMAG0420_zps32349e2a.jpg.html)
Now everyone will realize that I'm actually helping the environment more than those pesky Prius drivers as I'm doing more recycling than they are!!! :D :rofl:
Post by: Whoey on July 19, 2013, 08:54:06 PM
I can now retire my 80 CJ-7 from the daily driver role it's been in for the last 10 years or so. I've had it since 84, I think it's time for a total makeover.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/60401942/80CJ.jpg)
Lick of paint and some fresh decals and that CJ looks just fine to me!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 19, 2013, 09:29:10 PM
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Post by: Beerplumber on July 25, 2013, 05:04:10 PM
Keep calm and jeep on
Post by: Beerplumber on July 25, 2013, 05:06:28 PM
Oop there they are lol
Keep calm and jeep on
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 25, 2013, 05:17:13 PM
In the meantime I managed to score some decent fenders for my TJ- they aren't new, but the pair costs less than a single new one would, and since my passenger fender is pretty well shot I figure I might as well grab them. I only need the one, but I'll take both- you never know when a spare might come in handy, or I'll just sell the extra one off to someone else.
I figure with the short wheelbase a 2.5-3" lift and 33" tires is going to be more than good enough to get my TJ anywhere it needs to go too.
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Post by: derekmac on July 25, 2013, 05:22:25 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 25, 2013, 05:27:45 PM
2012 Wrangler 3.6 vs. 2010 Wrangler 3.8 0-60 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4rApqslLys#ws)
:D
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Post by: Beerplumber on July 25, 2013, 06:35:34 PM
I've drivin a 3.8 before and the difference between that and the 3.6 is night and day.
Keep calm and jeep on
Post by: Beerplumber on July 25, 2013, 07:05:07 PM
http://www.jeepjunkies.ca/viewtopic.php?t=385
Keep calm and jeep on
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 25, 2013, 08:11:55 PM
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Post by: Beerplumber on July 26, 2013, 03:59:26 PM
Keep calm and jeep on
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 27, 2013, 06:34:17 PM
Needs more pictures though... :P
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 28, 2013, 12:29:53 AM
(http://forum.aev-conversions.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=128&thumb=1&d=1201285505)
Too bad the kit is $9k and involves removing the tub, cutting it in half and cutting & lengthening the frame. :ahhh
Still, it is pretty sweet!
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Post by: Chako on July 28, 2013, 12:31:04 AM
I just put the Jeep in 4x4 and it drove like a dream. Got me home with no issues. I saw plenty of cars not making it...but the high clearance of the Patriot came unto its own. Man I love my Jeep.
I did have to detour that underpass though. By the time I got to it, police presence and water levels were high.
http://www.local2.ca/ssm/viewarticle.php?id=12172
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 28, 2013, 12:36:08 AM
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Post by: Chako on July 28, 2013, 01:00:35 AM
<--- is a happy Jeeper. :D
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 28, 2013, 01:06:40 AM
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Post by: Chako on July 28, 2013, 01:10:25 AM
Post by: derekmac on July 28, 2013, 01:25:58 AM
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Post by: Nhoj on July 28, 2013, 04:44:47 AM
Post by: tattoosteve99 on July 28, 2013, 05:00:32 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 28, 2013, 12:28:12 PM
Wow chako that's some flooding. Unfortunately I own a ford F150 not a jeep. :( It's a good vehicle, but my next car will be a jeep wrangler. I then I will join this thread!
What year F-150? 4x4? Does it get dirty? :D
You have to respect the F-150. It's a classic. There are so many options and configurations of the F-150 that I have to wonder if the factory has ever built two of the same truck! I think I read somewhere there were something like 37,000 different ways to build and outfit one! :ahhh
You should post some pics. I can't speak for the other Jeep guys here, but I appreciate trucks in all their forms!
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Post by: derekmac on July 28, 2013, 02:16:16 PM
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Post by: Nhoj on July 28, 2013, 04:36:06 PM
Wow chako that's some flooding. Unfortunately I own a ford F150 not a jeep. :( It's a good vehicle, but my next car will be a jeep wrangler. I then I will join this thread!
What year F-150? 4x4? Does it get dirty? :D
You have to respect the F-150. It's a classic. There are so many options and configurations of the F-150 that I have to wonder if the factory has ever built two of the same truck! I think I read somewhere there were something like 37,000 different ways to build and outfit one! :ahhh
You should post some pics. I can't speak for the other Jeep guys here, but I appreciate trucks in all their forms!
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Yes it's 4x4 and it gets dirty, why else would I have a pickup truck. :) It's an fx4 still going strong from 2004, the only problem that has arisen is that the air conditioning won't blow unless it's on high. No pics right now, it's raining and I don't want to go outside.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 28, 2013, 11:13:46 PM
That's about as surprising as a Chev with underpowered brakes or a Honda that won't start in the cold! :D
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Post by: derekmac on August 14, 2013, 01:29:19 AM
Game
http://www.spintires.com/
Trucks and mods
http://www.oovee.co.uk/forum/files/category/8-new-vehicles/
Just thought I'd share.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 14, 2013, 03:33:48 AM
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Post by: derekmac on August 18, 2013, 05:45:00 AM
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Rocky%20Myra%2017%20Aug%2013/IMAG0563_zps3b8e1809.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Rocky%20Myra%2017%20Aug%2013/IMAG0563_zps3b8e1809.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Rocky%20Myra%2017%20Aug%2013/IMAG0562_zps1738eaf2.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Rocky%20Myra%2017%20Aug%2013/IMAG0562_zps1738eaf2.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Rocky%20Myra%2017%20Aug%2013/IMAG0561_zps6ea73000.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Rocky%20Myra%2017%20Aug%2013/IMAG0561_zps6ea73000.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Rocky%20Myra%2017%20Aug%2013/IMAG0560_zps65b46c97.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Rocky%20Myra%2017%20Aug%2013/IMAG0560_zps65b46c97.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Rocky%20Myra%2017%20Aug%2013/IMAG0559_zpsac79a557.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Rocky%20Myra%2017%20Aug%2013/IMAG0559_zpsac79a557.jpg.html)
Look, another WJ! He had that bumper made out my way, and I think he said the guy charged him $200 for it. I'd like to have a nice metal bumper on mine some day.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Rocky%20Myra%2017%20Aug%2013/IMAG0558_zps3ead5cef.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Rocky%20Myra%2017%20Aug%2013/IMAG0558_zps3ead5cef.jpg.html)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 18, 2013, 12:36:12 PM
Is that the BackCountry guys?
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Post by: derekmac on August 18, 2013, 04:12:22 PM
Oh, this is the one where the Jeep fell through the ATV bridge.
Post by: Cupboard on August 18, 2013, 06:03:12 PM
A Ford with electrical issues? Say it ain't so! :P
That's about as surprising as a Chev with underpowered brakes or a Honda that won't start in the cold! :D
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My Honda, an 11 year old diesel, starts just fine in the cold even when it's been sitting for a week or two!
UK cold might not be quite as cold as your cold of course, worst I've asked it to start in is about -10C and under a foot of snow.
Post by: derekmac on August 18, 2013, 06:37:17 PM
August Club Run (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKHFxMnQAU0#)
Post by: Cupboard on August 19, 2013, 10:39:10 PM
What was it making the painful noises on the Jeep around about 6 minutes?
Post by: derekmac on August 19, 2013, 10:47:10 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 20, 2013, 01:06:57 AM
A Ford with electrical issues? Say it ain't so! :P
That's about as surprising as a Chev with underpowered brakes or a Honda that won't start in the cold! :D
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My Honda, an 11 year old diesel, starts just fine in the cold even when it's been sitting for a week or two!
UK cold might not be quite as cold as your cold of course, worst I've asked it to start in is about -10C and under a foot of snow.
We had a '77 or '78 Civic when I lived in Manitoba, which would have been the early 80's. In '84 we traded it in on a brand new Accord. Admittedly the technology has probably been updated a bit since then, but neither of them ever started in the winter, unless you had a block heater on it, in which case you had a slightly better than 50/50 chance of it starting.
Of course between November and March you could expect the temperature to be well below -20C, with January and February consistently around -40C. While many cars had issues starting then, you could almost always count on American cars and trucks to fire up. Back then, most folks we knew had some kind of American vehicle and I don't remember too many people having the kinds of issues we had getting the Hondas to start. Of course, I was pretty young then too- I think we left Manitoba a few months before my tenth birthday.
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Post by: dks on August 21, 2013, 09:07:46 AM
We had a '77 or '78 Civic when I lived in Manitoba,
Were they genuine? Maybe they were knock-offs; :D e.g. Hyundays with a Honda badge on...
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 21, 2013, 11:34:32 AM
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Post by: Beerplumber on August 21, 2013, 06:39:19 PM
Keep calm and jeep on
Post by: derekmac on August 21, 2013, 06:48:37 PM
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on August 26, 2013, 01:34:49 AM
http://gearpatrol.com/2010/10/29/earth-roamer-xv-jp/
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Post by: derekmac on September 02, 2013, 11:44:00 PM
I dropped it off at the shop, and they better not call me tomorrow saying it needs anything else as I fixed everything they said needed replacing on the pre-inspection they did.
Post by: thebullfrog on September 02, 2013, 11:55:35 PM
Makes it really easy to game the system if you're looking to do any modifications that may or may not bypass certain emissions systems. Not that I've ever done such a thing... :whistle:
I really need to find some trails to play with my truck on. There is only two small parks within 100 miles of me. The next closest is a 5 hour drive and only open a couple days a year.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 02, 2013, 11:57:00 PM
Hold them to that pre inspection.
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Post by: derekmac on September 03, 2013, 12:03:35 AM
It really is bs! I had a small hole in one of my fenders, and it won't pass like that. Really though, what the hell does a small hole in a fender have to do with the safety of a vehicle? I can cut off most of the fender and it would be ok, but that small hole would make it a ticking time bomb. :facepalm:
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 03, 2013, 12:55:56 AM
I'm glad I have the new Jeep as I won't have to worry about any safety check repairs for the next six or seven years since I have a full bumper to bumper warranty. The Golf still has a few years before I have to worry about it too.
My yellow TJ is about the only one I have to worry about and it's now a toy so I don't have to bust my are to fix anything so I can go to work.
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Post by: derekmac on September 04, 2013, 12:36:22 AM
So what did I do you might ask?? I used aircraft rubber glue to seal the tire! Now where the slice was is probably actually stronger than it was before. This stuff is crazy strong, and meant to withstand extreme abuse without failing.
Now don't worry, I took that tire off as soon as I got back home as I'm not willing to take the chance on it. I also priced matching tires, and they're $231 each. Did I mention that I hate tires! :facepalm: I would put my four winter tires on, but one of them has the wires coming out the side, which sucks as there's still lots of tread left on it.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 04, 2013, 12:43:12 AM
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Post by: derekmac on September 04, 2013, 12:50:22 AM
I can't imagine the guys that have 35" MT's, with how fast they wear out.
One good thing for me is that tires last along time as I only drive about 6200km a year.
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Post by: derekmac on September 04, 2013, 12:51:38 AM
I should buy five, but with the 4x4 system in mine, I can run with an odd size if needed.
I can't imagine the guys that have 35" MT's, with how fast they wear out. I couldn't imagine spending that kind of coin on tires.
One good thing for me is that tires last along time as I only drive about 6200km a year.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 04, 2013, 01:16:20 AM
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Post by: Beerplumber on September 17, 2013, 05:48:24 PM
I should buy five, but with the 4x4 system in mine, I can run with an odd size if needed.Im actually quite pleased how my 33" KM2's are wearing. I've put a lot of kms on them already this summer. It sucks wasting so much rubber on the highway but so worth it on the trail. I'm loving having five identical wheels and tires. Five tire rotation is easy and you get 20% more tread life. That being said it was a tough pill to swallow paying for them ugh!
I can't imagine the guys that have 35" MT's, with how fast they wear out.
One good thing for me is that tires last along time as I only drive about 6200km a year.
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I was quite pleased on the weekend. The tables have finally turned. A young fellow flagged me down on a back road. He had gotten his stock TJ hopelessly stuck exploring alone. Eight years ago that was me in my stock Cherokee. Instead of giving this guy the hassle I received when I was in his position, I pulled him out and invited him to join the local club and never have to be stuck alone ever again. I was the encouraging voice I wish I heard all those years ago.
Derek I dread the day I move back home and have too deal with the stupid inspection system again. Such a blatant money grab.
How's everyone else's summer going? Don't think I have any news. Last mod I did was chop my exhaust, welded in a flowmaster muffler that dumps in front of the rear axle. Bought me tonnes of clearance and didn't change the exhaust note too much. Looking at possibly putting a small slip tank in where the stock muffler used to be.
Keep calm and jeep on
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 17, 2013, 05:54:03 PM
Good on you for inspiring rather than lecturing the poor guy. I've been in both positions myself and I know full well how stupid you feel being sick in the first place. You really don't need some dumb ass with a big truck and small manhood making it worse.
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Post by: derekmac on September 17, 2013, 06:27:37 PM
Grant, I'd definitely go back in and have them rotate the spare in. That's something they should have done in the first place.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 18, 2013, 01:36:13 AM
Grant, I'd definitely go back in and have them rotate the spare in. That's something they should have done in the first place.
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Absolutely. I am very surprised that they didn't. I guess I will have to remind them that it's a Jeep. ::)
Amusingly enough, I still have the factory spare for my TJ. It still has the injector pins on the rubber, although after about 14 years of being exposed on the back of a Jeep I don't dare use it for anything. It's never been used, and now it'll never be used. Obviously no one thought to include it in the rotation either.
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Post by: thebullfrog on September 22, 2013, 01:47:37 AM
(http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag39/thebullfrog82/BlueMud_zps347db7ca.jpg) (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/thebullfrog82/media/BlueMud_zps347db7ca.jpg.html)
Oh, that's not the kind of rotating you're talking about? :think:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 22, 2013, 01:56:44 AM
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Post by: dks on September 22, 2013, 10:12:10 AM
yes, this was sent from a phone!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 22, 2013, 12:44:09 PM
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Post by: Cupboard on November 09, 2013, 05:20:08 PM
Post by: derekmac on November 09, 2013, 05:20:16 PM
I'm finally back on 4 good tires, so I'm going to go on a run in the morning I think.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 09, 2013, 06:07:21 PM
What is the visor thing on the end of your bonnet?
It is a deflector. It supposedly keeps stones and other debris from chipping my hood.
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Post by: Jailbird on November 09, 2013, 07:26:43 PM
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Post by: bmot on November 09, 2013, 07:39:58 PM
I think I just threw up a little! On the plus sided he did manage to get his tire up on that rock.
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Probably used a little ramp for that ::)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 09, 2013, 08:33:45 PM
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Post by: glorn on November 10, 2013, 07:28:33 AM
Painted top and fenders. Fully stock. Only "mods" would be Weathertech floor mats and a K&N filter and those don't count really. I do add those to any vehicle I own.
Always looking for advice on simple low cost upgrades though. And maybe see if anyone knows why there is water sloshing around inside the T top portion of the roof when it rains heavily. Also, does anybody else suffer from windshield chips? Seems the new Wranglers attract rocks like crazy.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 10, 2013, 01:55:49 PM
Wish I could post here. Don't own but want to. Would love a standard Cherokee 94-99ish. 4.0
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That era Cherokee shouldn't be too hard to find for a decent price, and they are almost as easily rebuilt as a Wrangler.
Black 2012 Wrangler JK Sahara is my baby.
Painted top and fenders. Fully stock. Only "mods" would be Weathertech floor mats and a K&N filter and those don't count really. I do add those to any vehicle I own.
Always looking for advice on simple low cost upgrades though. And maybe see if anyone knows why there is water sloshing around inside the T top portion of the roof when it rains heavily. Also, does anybody else suffer from windshield chips? Seems the new Wranglers attract rocks like crazy.
My guess would be that there's a crack or something in your hard top- I'd take it to the dealer and complain since it's probably still covered under warranty.
As for the windshield, well those big flat pieces of glass are very susceptible to stones. Most cars are aerodynamic not just for fuel economy but also so that air passes smoothly over it, deflecting or lessening the impact of small stones, while presenting an angled surface with a high degree of reflectivity. Jeeps don't have that, so the stones hit the windshield full force.
Also, since the JK was introduced there seems to have been problems with windshields. Mine actually cracked the day after I brought it home (admittedly it was -20C outside and +20C inside) and was replaced under warranty.
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Post by: derekmac on November 11, 2013, 12:25:35 AM
I went on a run today with an old Land Rover, and FJ, a TJ and a JK. I made a slight adjustment to my front bumper on the drivers side, along with the rad support. The Land Rover ended up blowing a rear main seal, and the FJ totaled its factory skid plates.
They went through a really rough section that I said to hell with, so I left, and the guys in the JK had to leave too. I guess they came across a few NSJC (Nova Scotia Club) guys, and one guys got stuck bad and I guess his Jeep caught fire.
In the last pic here, the Rover was burred, and the TJ couldn't get any traction to pull or act as an anchor point for his winch. I was up on good ground, so he anchored off of me and was able to winch himself out.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 11, 2013, 01:51:25 AM
Looks like an awesome time!
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Post by: derekmac on November 11, 2013, 02:29:30 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 11, 2013, 12:01:03 PM
Still, it beat the XTerra all to Hell. :ahhh
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Post by: derekmac on November 14, 2013, 03:24:53 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 14, 2013, 11:57:36 PM
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Post by: derekmac on November 15, 2013, 12:35:12 AM
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Post by: derekmac on November 17, 2013, 08:16:57 PM
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/The%20Range%2017-Nov-13/null_zps99c2b3e8.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/The%20Range%2017-Nov-13/null_zps99c2b3e8.jpg.html)
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 17, 2013, 10:31:21 PM
Where was that?
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Post by: derekmac on November 17, 2013, 11:03:40 PM
Nice!We did the range, just past the Bedford exit. It was a fun trail. Some pretty tight spots, and some rocky areas, but we all made it through.
Where was that?
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I got hung up in one spot when the front end slid trying to climb up a rock ledge, but was able to get out on my own by putting some rocks under the back tires to get it up in the air a few more inches.
The spot was just ahead of the Nissan is in this picture.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 17, 2013, 11:10:08 PM
Also, how did that H2 do? I seriously considered buying one but I'd be scared to take it off road figuring if I ever got stuck no one would ever be able to pull me out!
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 17, 2013, 11:16:09 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 17, 2013, 11:20:05 PM
I wonder if I should charge him for repainting them too? :P
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Post by: derekmac on November 17, 2013, 11:24:57 PM
I thought it looked familiar. Did you see the nice hole I got stuck in? :DI'd have to see the pic of it again to see if I remember seeing it.
Also, how did that H2 do? I seriously considered buying one but I'd be scared to take it off road figuring if I ever got stuck no one would ever be able to pull me out!
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The H2 got through with zero problems. I'm not sure how he squeezed through some of the spots though, as they weren't much wider than my Grand.
I'm sure if he got stuck with his 38" military tires, it wouldn't be fun trying to get him out.
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Post by: derekmac on November 17, 2013, 11:26:13 PM
I had the power but not the traction. It was all moss converted mud so I had a hell of a time getting my Jeep out let alone pull the docks up.That does look slick! That's one of those times that a winch would really come in handy!
I wonder if I should charge him for repainting them too? :P
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 17, 2013, 11:29:36 PM
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Post by: derekmac on November 17, 2013, 11:35:09 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 17, 2013, 11:41:00 PM
It took TWO other Jeeps to pull me out of that one. :ahhh
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Post by: derekmac on November 19, 2013, 11:57:34 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 20, 2013, 03:34:32 AM
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Post by: dks on November 20, 2013, 04:34:28 PM
A rare beast, the VW Golf Country, spotted for the 1st time by me.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/IMG_7450.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/IMG_7451.jpg)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 20, 2013, 05:00:28 PM
I'd take one of those in a heartbeat!
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Post by: dks on November 20, 2013, 05:05:13 PM
That is pretty sweet! I have seen pics of those online, but I thought they were a myth, based on a few mods done by a few people here and there.
I'd take one of those in a heartbeat!
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I know, I thought they did not sell any, but Wikipedia says they sold 3000. I remember when they came out and they looked pretty weird then.
It looks more sexy than I expected, like the old fiat Panda's 4WD bigger, tougher brother.
I saw it drive off and it seemed to be in really good condition.
Post by: derekmac on November 20, 2013, 05:21:43 PM
Nice work! :DThanks!
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..since this is a sort of off-road thread:It may not be a Jeep, but it is 100% :drool:
A rare beast, the VW Golf Country, spotted for the 1st time by me.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/IMG_7450.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/IMG_7451.jpg)
That is pretty sweet! I have seen pics of those online, but I thought they were a myth, based on a few mods done by a few people here and there.Me too! :gimme:
I'd take one of those in a heartbeat!
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Post by: PTRSAK on November 21, 2013, 09:12:41 PM
http://www.mr4x4.com.au/index.php/reviews-a-editorials/196-the-best-used-car-ad-ever
Post by: dks on December 11, 2013, 09:51:42 AM
Family-of-six and their overturned Jeep
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 11, 2013, 10:02:16 AM
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Post by: dks on December 11, 2013, 10:05:38 AM
Yes, people think 4WD makes them invincible.
Ofcourse it does! Ask any driver of an AUDI Q7.
Their adventure is a good advertisement for getting a rollbar/rollcage and wearing a seatbelt.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 11, 2013, 10:24:04 AM
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Post by: ducttapetech on December 11, 2013, 01:49:22 PM
CJ-5s and 7s are really getting hard to find and when you do they cost an arm and leg.
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Post by: derekmac on December 11, 2013, 03:18:08 PM
Yes, people think 4WD makes them invincible.It doesn't :think: :D :rofl:
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I'm glad I had 4x4 this morning driving to work. The hwy was backed up REALLY bad, so I took the backroad to work. This road was hardly plowed and it can't be salted because the people that live off of it are on wells, not municipal water. It was a solid sheet of ice with snow on top. It's also all turns, so I had to do some of it in 2wd! :D
The drive actually wouldn't have been bad if I hadn't of caught up to a guy in an old 2wd pickup truck that was going 20kph for most of it. :facepalm: I guess it was ok that he was going that slow, I mean it did look like he had racing slicks on the back end. :rant:
The worst part of it all...... I DIDN'T GET TO STOP FOR MY MORNING COFFEE!!!! :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 11, 2013, 06:14:53 PM
I had to pick up Micah last night from his sister's place. The Jeep was packed full of stuff so I took the VW which wasn't the best idea I've ever had! :ahhh
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Post by: sir_mike on December 11, 2013, 06:48:30 PM
Yes, people think 4WD makes them invincible.
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That is so true! When I was growing up a friend of mine drove like an old lady in his charger but when he got behind the wheel of his brother's full size Chevy blazer, he drove like an idiot/madman! He really proves your comment! LOL
I decided to park my Jeep wrangler for this winter! Its an older one, but still looks good! :)
Post by: derekmac on December 11, 2013, 07:57:16 PM
They really do need to start putting Tim Horton's on some of the old logging roads and trails, don't they? That's about the only place that you can't find a Timmie's these days!Oh man, wouldn't that be nice!!
I had to pick up Micah last night from his sister's place. The Jeep was packed full of stuff so I took the VW which wasn't the best idea I've ever had! :ahhh
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Hopefully you brought him incase you needed someone to push! :D
I had to go to one of the other hangars today for our Christmas lunch, which meant the parking lot was packed. I went to drive down one of the aisles and there was a car backing out. I backed up to let him out, and he shook his head no, so I shook my head yes, and went and parked. Mind you half the Jeep was parked up on a snow bank! It's great when you can get a good parking spot just because you drive a Jeep!! :D
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 11, 2013, 09:54:55 PM
Av couple of weeks ago I was sitting in traffic on the highway not moving so I decided to get off. Only the closest off ramp was still about a hundred meters away. No problem- I went up over the curb, and along the ditch until I got to the off ramp, where I peeled off and all was right with the world again. :D
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 11, 2013, 10:53:01 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1459189_10202548048640836_1454015454_n.jpg)
:D
It's been sitting for a while so the battery needed some charging which is why my green Jeep is in the background.
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Post by: sir_mike on December 11, 2013, 11:20:17 PM
Here is Whoey driving my yellow Jeep a few nights ago!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1459189_10202548048640836_1454015454_n.jpg)
:D
It's been sitting for a while so the battery needed some charging which is why my green Jeep is in the background.
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I like that yellow. Mine is green and not quite as clean now as it was when this pic was taken! :)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 11, 2013, 11:32:08 PM
My yellow one is a 2000 model. I'm going to sell off the hard top and what's left of my soft top in favor of one of those frameless soft tops. In fact, while looking for a photo of the frameless top I found pretty much what mine will look like in a year or so:
(http://offroadltd.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/Jeep_yellow_convtop_wtop.jpg)
I'm going to put a 2.5 inch lift on it and go up to some 33" Mickey Thompsons as well. Some of the details may not match that photo, but it should be fairly similar.
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Post by: sir_mike on December 11, 2013, 11:38:29 PM
I was thinking about getting a four door so it would handle better in the winter but couldn't find a good price on one and this one has lower miles than I found anywhere!
I dont know if I will do any custom stuff or not at this point.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 12, 2013, 12:07:01 AM
Speaking of Whoey and comparing my Jeeps, he brought me a neat Jeep related item that I have been after for a while- The Alternator version of the Autobot called Hound.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_183654_zps67d5cc51.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_183654_zps67d5cc51.jpg.html)
This version of Hound is one of the two Transformers actually endorsed by Jeep and is modeled after the TJ. I was amazed at the detail, as the interior is better than many model kits I have looked at over the years! Here's what I mean.
This is Hound in Jeep mode:
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184325_zps5531c9d9.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184325_zps5531c9d9.jpg.html)
Note that it actually looks like a Jeep TJ, as opposed to the other attempts to make non trademark infringing Transformer Jeeps in the past.
Original Hound:
(http://www.aaa-multimedia.com/images/robot091.jpg)
Anyways, getting back to the detail, here are some interior shots:
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184402_zps9ec8f4da.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184402_zps9ec8f4da.jpg.html)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184418_zpsa396faea.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184418_zpsa396faea.jpg.html)
You can't really see it in these rough shots, but Hound is actually a 5 speed version, complete with center console, hand brake, dual cup holders and an accurate dash layout- the speedo, tachometer, vents, grab handles and environmental controls are just about perfect.
(http://image.jpmagazine.com/f/9308903+w750+st0/881large+2000_jeep_tj+front_interior_view.jpg)
The engine bay isn't as closely matched to the original, but is pretty cool anyway as they went to some effort to make it look good.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184437_zpsf914dfd7.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184437_zpsf914dfd7.jpg.html)
The other neat thing is the fully functional suspension.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184511_zpsdb09014a.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184511_zpsdb09014a.jpg.html)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184519_zps982699ef.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184519_zps982699ef.jpg.html)
You can see that I forgot to close the hood completely, but trust me, it does close. :P
Anyways, this is a pretty cool toy to represent my old Jeep (TJ) and my new one (military green) all in one! Or I could just tell people that I like Jie so much that I had to get a model of his Jeep! :D
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Post by: sir_mike on December 12, 2013, 12:17:23 AM
So you think the 2 door is better in the snow than the 4 door?
I wouldn't have guess that but if I had one and notice it, I would probably put a few bags of sand in back end for alittle more weight!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 12, 2013, 12:25:47 AM
I have slipped more in this one than I ever did in my TJ. It really only has a few hundred pounds over the TJ (~3800lbs vs ~4200lbs), but the shorter wheelbase on the TJ means that the weight is better distributed. when filming the December Donation Draw last year I drove my TJ out into the woods along with a buddy of mine in a 4 door JKU.
December 2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_wrFl7g0Ac#ws)
I almost wiped out a few times, but he was a lot worse off than I was as his tended to "float" over the snow and was all over the place. Now you aren't as likely to be driving over one foot of fine, powdery snow like we were, and he did have bigger, wider tires as well that made things worse, but overall, yeah, having driven both in the snow I prefer my TJ for the really bad stuff.
Some of that might have to do with me having a lot more experience in the TJ (I drove it almost exclusively for four or five years and I haven't had the JKU for a year yet), or my preferring a 5 speed, or the number of electronical gadgets in the JK (traction control, ABS etc) that I don't care for, but I do think the shorter wheelbase TJ is preferable for bad weather.
Of course, my JKU is still a better vehicle for bad weather than my VW Golf! :D
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Post by: Cupboard on December 12, 2013, 10:22:07 PM
*snip*
It's also all turns, so I had to do some of it in 2wd! :D
Excuse my ignorance about Jeeps, but can't you have 4WD and still turn? I come from a world of Land Rovers which you can't put in 2WD. Your options are High Range or Low Range, 4WD or 4WD with a locked centre diff. I wouldn't want to use a locked centre diff on the road because you'd end up tying the transmission in knots.
I know in our tractors you need to turn off diff locks to turn sensibly but the options I have in them are 2WD, 4WD, 4WD with all 3 diffs locked. You can't drive round corners in the last one :D You get a good range of options, you can set them so that at low speeds in a straight line you get everything locked up, with the diffs unlocking when you speed up or try to steer, and the 4WD kicking off once you get up to road speeds.
*snip*
I almost wiped out a few times, but he was a lot worse off than I was as his tended to "float" over the snow and was all over the place. Now you aren't as likely to be driving over one foot of fine, powdery snow like we were, and he did have bigger, wider tires as well that made things worse, but overall, yeah, having driven both in the snow I prefer my TJ for the really bad stuff.
Some of that might have to do with me having a lot more experience in the TJ (I drove it almost exclusively for four or five years and I haven't had the JKU for a year yet), or my preferring a 5 speed, or the number of electronical gadgets in the JK (traction control, ABS etc) that I don't care for, but I do think the shorter wheelbase TJ is preferable for bad weather.
Of course, my JKU is still a better vehicle for bad weather than my VW Golf! :D
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Skinny, large diameter tyres are under-rated. There's a very good reason we've got skinny tyres on all of our things that need maximum traction :) I'm also not a great fan of electronic gadgets in my car - it's a little Hyundai so obviously not designed for off road use. Within 24 hours of having it I'd taken it for a spin in a muddy field at a ploughing match and it was completely useless until I'd found the switch to turn the traction control off. Once I had, it turned in to a paddle steamer and I got going again :)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 12, 2013, 10:35:14 PM
You can turn in 4WD in a Jeep but because of the solid axle you get wheel hop as the inner wheel doesn't have to rotate as much as the outer wheel. I'd imagine Land Rover would have the same problem.
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Post by: derekmac on December 12, 2013, 10:37:43 PM
Haha, yes you can :D I put it in 2wd so it was easier to go around the turns sideways. :woohoo:*snip*
It's also all turns, so I had to do some of it in 2wd! :D
Excuse my ignorance about Jeeps, but can't you have 4WD and still turn? I come from a world of Land Rovers which you can't put in 2WD. Your options are High Range or Low Range, 4WD or 4WD with a locked centre diff. I wouldn't want to use a locked centre diff on the road because you'd end up tying the transmission in knots.
I know in our tractors you need to turn off diff locks to turn sensibly but the options I have in them are 2WD, 4WD, 4WD with all 3 diffs locked. You can't drive round corners in the last one :D You get a good range of options, you can set them so that at low speeds in a straight line you get everything locked up, with the diffs unlocking when you speed up or try to steer, and the 4WD kicking off once you get up to road speeds.
The transfer case on my Jeep has 2wd - 4 Part time (locked centre diff) - 4 Full time (open centre diff) - Neutral - 4 Low.
Post by: Chako on December 13, 2013, 12:34:05 AM
Post by: derekmac on December 13, 2013, 12:39:26 AM
Once you go 4X4 there is no going back. We got hit with some pretty heavy snow falls lately and my little Patriot is awesome.Glad to hear the Patriot is treating you well! I agree, 4x4 is just plain awesome! 2wd is like a Gerber Suspension - It'll get you through, but it might not be pretty. 4x4 is like a SwissTool - Makes you feel like you can tackle anything, and smile the whole time you're doing so. :D
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 13, 2013, 12:56:35 AM
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Post by: derekmac on December 13, 2013, 01:04:13 AM
This weekend will be a great opportunity for you to test that theory Derek. I'm hearing 20-30cm on Sunday.I can't wait!! I'm trying to convince the wife to go out shopping on Sunday :D. If she doesn't want to go, I might go and finish up my shopping. The worse it is, the less people there will be at Walmart!
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 13, 2013, 01:07:28 AM
If I live to be a billion I will never understand that woman.
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Post by: jzmtl on December 13, 2013, 04:52:33 AM
Think I'll just fix and get rid of it, too old for tinkering now.
Post by: Cupboard on December 13, 2013, 05:55:23 PM
Haha, yes you can :D I put it in 2wd so it was easier to go around the turns sideways. :woohoo:*snip*
It's also all turns, so I had to do some of it in 2wd! :D
Excuse my ignorance about Jeeps, but can't you have 4WD and still turn? I come from a world of Land Rovers which you can't put in 2WD. Your options are High Range or Low Range, 4WD or 4WD with a locked centre diff. I wouldn't want to use a locked centre diff on the road because you'd end up tying the transmission in knots.
I know in our tractors you need to turn off diff locks to turn sensibly but the options I have in them are 2WD, 4WD, 4WD with all 3 diffs locked. You can't drive round corners in the last one :D You get a good range of options, you can set them so that at low speeds in a straight line you get everything locked up, with the diffs unlocking when you speed up or try to steer, and the 4WD kicking off once you get up to road speeds.
The transfer case on my Jeep has 2wd - 4 Part time (locked centre diff) - 4 Full time (open centre diff) - Neutral - 4 Low.
Ah, in that case you should be able to have it in 4WD and still have steering if you can run without locked diffs.
In a Land Rover (stock Defender at least) you can't lock the front and back diffs, only the centre one. I think your Jeeps might have one up on it there :D
Post by: derekmac on December 13, 2013, 07:48:47 PM
I don't have front or rear locking diffs, and actually the only Jeep that comes with them (I believe, might be wrong) is the the Rubicon model of the Wrangler. I'm also not sure if the Wranglers can switch between open/locked centre diff or not. Def??Haha, yes you can :D I put it in 2wd so it was easier to go around the turns sideways. :woohoo:*snip*
It's also all turns, so I had to do some of it in 2wd! :D
Excuse my ignorance about Jeeps, but can't you have 4WD and still turn? I come from a world of Land Rovers which you can't put in 2WD. Your options are High Range or Low Range, 4WD or 4WD with a locked centre diff. I wouldn't want to use a locked centre diff on the road because you'd end up tying the transmission in knots.
I know in our tractors you need to turn off diff locks to turn sensibly but the options I have in them are 2WD, 4WD, 4WD with all 3 diffs locked. You can't drive round corners in the last one :D You get a good range of options, you can set them so that at low speeds in a straight line you get everything locked up, with the diffs unlocking when you speed up or try to steer, and the 4WD kicking off once you get up to road speeds.
The transfer case on my Jeep has 2wd - 4 Part time (locked centre diff) - 4 Full time (open centre diff) - Neutral - 4 Low.
Ah, in that case you should be able to have it in 4WD and still have steering if you can run without locked diffs.
In a Land Rover (stock Defender at least) you can't lock the front and back diffs, only the centre one. I think your Jeeps might have one up on it there :D
I wouldn't mind having selectable lockers front and rear, but to be honest, where I've wheeled I don't really need them.
*edit* You could also get varilock axles for my Jeep. They're not lockable, but they send the power to which ever tire has the most grip.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 13, 2013, 08:01:00 PM
The current Rubicon only differs from the Sahara and Sport models by having aand electronic sway bar disconnect and 4:10 gearing in the rear end. I have 3:78 gears in the back end of mine and that is the upgrade from the standard 3:11 most Wranglers have.
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Post by: derekmac on December 13, 2013, 10:11:43 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 13, 2013, 11:46:04 PM
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Post by: derekmac on December 13, 2013, 11:50:39 PM
I take it you managed that five minute commute ok? :PHaha, I had to get the kids, so it was 10 minutes. :rofl:
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The hwy was completely clear from the airport to Enfield, then it was like driving into a wall.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 14, 2013, 01:00:43 AM
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Post by: derekmac on December 15, 2013, 04:10:56 AM
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Mystery%20Run/FC44962F-F6A3-47F1-B143-74B8F3C3C92D_zpszfyv5tlp.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Mystery%20Run/FC44962F-F6A3-47F1-B143-74B8F3C3C92D_zpszfyv5tlp.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Mystery%20Run/D21AF9CA-9102-45C3-A34D-A7F5B9EE6A46_zpsuyeoazbl.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Mystery%20Run/D21AF9CA-9102-45C3-A34D-A7F5B9EE6A46_zpsuyeoazbl.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Mystery%20Run/DEF2EC3E-23A0-4639-87F3-63CB59EA6D00_zpsy59nb6ra.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Mystery%20Run/DEF2EC3E-23A0-4639-87F3-63CB59EA6D00_zpsy59nb6ra.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Mystery%20Run/56218C66-32F8-4B1E-9E79-D6CA9722C006_zpsg1j6xcdk.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Mystery%20Run/56218C66-32F8-4B1E-9E79-D6CA9722C006_zpsg1j6xcdk.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Mystery%20Run/A8C399D5-2FCE-4187-A17E-CC12839AA9CB_zpsp4xvatay.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Mystery%20Run/A8C399D5-2FCE-4187-A17E-CC12839AA9CB_zpsp4xvatay.jpg.html)
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Here's a couple of links to a few more:
http://myp.nikonimagespace.com/myphoto/guest.jsp?y=oe9-eRCitKpfz31-g7HY8uJBFtZT1zWjhJwNn7LA8dmyq7qKxlIDz9ViLYe_5gewiHx3-Ruq3DXOs5uogtiznjcJmZqVUNAiCGRCy7-x7Jo
http://www.backcountry4x4club.ca/forums/topic/4345-dec-2013-mystery-run-big-jones/
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 15, 2013, 04:52:05 AM
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Post by: dks on December 15, 2013, 12:04:49 PM
I did go through some muddy puddles though.
Post by: derekmac on December 16, 2013, 05:04:24 PM
http://www.princessauto.com/pal/en/Pintle-Hooks/10000-lb-Hitch-Receiver-D-Ring/8518003.p
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 17, 2013, 02:41:58 AM
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Post by: Beerplumber on December 17, 2013, 08:21:56 PM
I've stopped using my D-ring hitch. Hangs too low for me. Now I just put the pin through the loop of my tug strap and throw the strap in the back and close the tail gate on it. No messing around when you need it.
Keep Calm and Jeep On
Post by: jzmtl on December 20, 2013, 01:46:43 AM
Think I'm getting too old for this, time to look for a regular car.
If any Canadians need a D-Ring receiver, Princess Auto has on on sale for $9.99 starting tomorrow. These are usually close to $40.
I remember people were saying don't use these, the hitch pins aren't made to take shock load encountered in recovery.
Post by: Whoey on December 20, 2013, 05:56:21 PM
Here is Whoey driving my yellow Jeep a few nights ago!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1459189_10202548048640836_1454015454_n.jpg)
:D
It's been sitting for a while so the battery needed some charging which is why my green Jeep is in the background.
Def
Looking forward to next time, and hopefully an actual drive in it instead of maneuvering around your driveway in a snowstorm :P
Post by: Whoey on December 20, 2013, 05:59:28 PM
The four door actually isn't as nice in the winter as the two door as the long wheelbase puts the rear wheels pretty far away from the weight of the engine. It is however better for back seat passengers, more comfortable to drive and has a lot better cargo space. Visibility also suffers majorly in the 4 door, but that is also because the JK/JKU has smaller windows than the TJ had. Overall they are tough to compare as they are radically different trucks, even though they are the same model.
Speaking of Whoey and comparing my Jeeps, he brought me a neat Jeep related item that I have been after for a while- The Alternator version of the Autobot called Hound.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_183654_zps67d5cc51.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_183654_zps67d5cc51.jpg.html)
This version of Hound is one of the two Transformers actually endorsed by Jeep and is modeled after the TJ. I was amazed at the detail, as the interior is better than many model kits I have looked at over the years! Here's what I mean.
This is Hound in Jeep mode:
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184325_zps5531c9d9.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184325_zps5531c9d9.jpg.html)
Note that it actually looks like a Jeep TJ, as opposed to the other attempts to make non trademark infringing Transformer Jeeps in the past.
Original Hound:
(http://www.aaa-multimedia.com/images/robot091.jpg)
Anyways, getting back to the detail, here are some interior shots:
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184402_zps9ec8f4da.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184402_zps9ec8f4da.jpg.html)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184418_zpsa396faea.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184418_zpsa396faea.jpg.html)
You can't really see it in these rough shots, but Hound is actually a 5 speed version, complete with center console, hand brake, dual cup holders and an accurate dash layout- the speedo, tachometer, vents, grab handles and environmental controls are just about perfect.
(http://image.jpmagazine.com/f/9308903+w750+st0/881large+2000_jeep_tj+front_interior_view.jpg)
The engine bay isn't as closely matched to the original, but is pretty cool anyway as they went to some effort to make it look good.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184437_zpsf914dfd7.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184437_zpsf914dfd7.jpg.html)
The other neat thing is the fully functional suspension.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184511_zpsdb09014a.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184511_zpsdb09014a.jpg.html)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184519_zps982699ef.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/Hound/20131211_184519_zps982699ef.jpg.html)
You can see that I forgot to close the hood completely, but trust me, it does close. :P
Anyways, this is a pretty cool toy to represent my old Jeep (TJ) and my new one (military green) all in one! Or I could just tell people that I like Jie so much that I had to get a model of his Jeep! :D
Def
There are three Alternators, now you have Hound, you knew Swindle was the yellow one, but there is also a red one named Rollbar:
(http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/36/Alternators_Rollbar_toy.jpg)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 20, 2013, 06:28:24 PM
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Post by: Whoey on December 20, 2013, 06:38:42 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 20, 2013, 10:32:28 PM
When are you coming down next?
Post by: derekmac on December 21, 2013, 09:07:01 PM
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Mystery%20Run/DSC_2118_zps29222201.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Mystery%20Run/DSC_2118_zps29222201.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/81E4C3C6-8BAE-4433-9A81-A12EBF544275_zps0pmwlq7k.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/81E4C3C6-8BAE-4433-9A81-A12EBF544275_zps0pmwlq7k.jpg.html)
The lights not perfect, but it'll do for now.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 22, 2013, 02:34:51 AM
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Post by: derekmac on December 29, 2013, 09:39:22 PM
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03485_zps69307af1.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03485_zps69307af1.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03334_zps1949638d.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03334_zps1949638d.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03373_zpsff32a994.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03373_zpsff32a994.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03379_zpsec2de13e.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03379_zpsec2de13e.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03431_zpsc39f1d4a.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03431_zpsc39f1d4a.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03435_zps23c14731.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03435_zps23c14731.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03465_zpsaf1f37fc.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03465_zpsaf1f37fc.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03474_zpsa89bbd2a.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03474_zpsa89bbd2a.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03477_zpsec5e7593.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03477_zpsec5e7593.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03501_zpsa5d68400.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Pipeline%2029%20Dec%2013/DSC03501_zpsa5d68400.jpg.html)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 29, 2013, 09:46:32 PM
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Post by: derekmac on December 29, 2013, 10:29:48 PM
I was just checking out those photos on FB. That looks like an awesome time! Sorry I missed it....Yeah it was a good time. Winter wheeling is definitely different though, with not being able to tell what you're driving over, and breaking through ice and getting buried.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 29, 2013, 10:36:43 PM
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Post by: ToolJoe on December 30, 2013, 04:30:27 PM
That old school G-Wagon is awesome. Also, 80s Toyota pickups are a rarity around here in the northeast US due to the rust factor.
Post by: derekmac on December 30, 2013, 04:57:13 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 30, 2013, 10:00:09 PM
I've also worked with some military variants, like six wheel pickups and so on. I just love them. Unfortunately you can buy a house here for what they cost, so it will be a long time before I'm ever able to get one. :ahhh
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Post by: Cupboard on December 30, 2013, 11:13:41 PM
The fact you can get them from the factory with three individually controllable diff locks tells you all know.
Post by: Thisjk38 on January 07, 2014, 08:52:12 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 07, 2014, 08:59:55 PM
And welcome back! :D
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Post by: derekmac on January 07, 2014, 10:03:18 PM
Wow I haven't been on here for some time but I am glad this thread is still going strong! I thought I did some cool wheeling two weeks ago but Nevermind that. It's nothing compared to those pics!!! I've been hoping for some snow fun but no luck with 80 degree weather down here in So Cal.Yep, there's are some Jeep/offroad lovers here, so we had to keep this goin!! :D
If you have any pics, make sure to post them up. I'm sure wheeling in So Cal is just a wee different then up here. Even if you think your pics suck, we don't care, we'll happily look at anything!
Post by: Thisjk38 on January 07, 2014, 11:34:11 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 08, 2014, 02:19:23 AM
I love that axe and shovel bracket on the back, although I imagine that kills what little visibility the JK has out the arse end. That TJ looks very similar to the setup I have planned for mine- 2.5 to 3 inch lift, 33 inch tires... although I am thinking of just keeping the stock bumper on the front. I like it well enough. The rear bumper I'd keep too, but bigger tires are going to kill the rear door so I'll need a tire carrier.
Of course if that's what the weather looked like here in January I'd never bother with a hard top!
Def
Post by: Thisjk38 on January 08, 2014, 05:18:48 AM
Nice to see the Commando Green representing! :D
I love that axe and shovel bracket on the back, although I imagine that kills what little visibility the JK has out the arse end. That TJ looks very similar to the setup I have planned for mine- 2.5 to 3 inch lift, 33 inch tires... although I am thinking of just keeping the stock bumper on the front. I like it well enough. The rear bumper I'd keep too, but bigger tires are going to kill the rear door so I'll need a tire carrier.
Of course if that's what the weather looked like here in January I'd never bother with a hard top!
Def
I love that commando green. Its the only color I wish I could have had but wasn't available in 2011.
That TJ was actually running 35s on a 4 inch lift. He hates his front bumper and wish he had the stock one instead, but that's how it was when he bought it. It really is a bad ass jeep. Only one without lockers and didn't struggle more than others, and made it through easier at times. The shorter wheel base really helped but the owner is a really good driver with some guts. Yeah the weather isn't too bad right now, do wish we had some snow to play in though.
Post by: Thisjk38 on January 12, 2014, 04:15:16 AM
1- Installed the Mopar "Enhanced" Rock Rails that I found on craigslist for $170. These are like the ones that come with the rubicon but have bar welded on it.
2. Installed my front and rear Teraflex differential covers.
3. Installed my Cargo Rack from Ace Jeep. I am really happy with it and it really is a quality product.
4. Did the blinker/side marker light mod. The side markers now blink when blinkers are on. (Used my Lm Charge for this)
5. Installed a battery operated 10 led light for my cargo area. Really lights it up back there now especially since the rack blocks a lot of the dome light.
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Post by: jim guy on January 12, 2014, 12:28:32 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 12, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
I have been wanting to do the side marker light mod for a while now- did you get a kit or follow instructions found on line? It seems stupid to me that the marker doesn't work as an indicator. I like how the wing mirrors on my VW function as indicators as well and I looked at getting similar mirrors for my JKU but they are $150... per side. :ahhh
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Post by: derekmac on January 12, 2014, 03:58:16 PM
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Post by: jim guy on January 12, 2014, 03:58:37 PM
Post by: jim guy on January 12, 2014, 04:05:49 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 12, 2014, 05:16:40 PM
Still, I am tempted as I'd really like to see if they stayed true to the old Cherokee, which to be honest would have been a better choice for me than the Wranglers since I need a roof rack to put my kayaks on.
Does it have a solid front axle or did they change it to IFS like everything else on the road today?
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Post by: jim guy on January 12, 2014, 05:28:14 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 12, 2014, 05:32:41 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 12, 2014, 09:17:37 PM
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Post by: Thisjk38 on January 12, 2014, 10:12:18 PM
As for the blinker mod I did the method you see online. Very easy to do. I used a weatherproof quick splice connector and a good amount of electrical tape. I like it a lot.
Post by: dks on January 13, 2014, 04:51:14 PM
Seeing the new Range Rovers (especially the new sport) I am intrigued by how easily they seem to overcome obstacles, on TV and still be like a normal car most of the time. Are the electronics that good nowadays or do they just make it as good as an ordinary offroad car. (The land rover electronics do have a very bad reputation, but they may be getting better)
EDIT: Here is what I mean. A mechanical offroader (it is a jeep but it could have been any other standard offroader) Vs the electronics of Rover. As far as I know the discovery does not have locking axles and neither, it seems , does the jeep.
Land Rover vs Jeep Wrangler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EFHu1PmHZY#)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 13, 2014, 05:41:09 PM
HOWEVER, they also insulate the driver from the terrain, which isn't a good thing, and if something gets broken, they are impossible to fix at the side of the trail. My old TJ doesn't go anywhere unless you make it go there- you are very much a part of the process and you have to not only pay attention to what you are doing, but you have to make intelligent choices about how much to be on the clutch, whether to be in 2WD, 4HI or 4LO, you have to give it the gas and the brake, decide what gear to be in going in, and what gear to be in coming out, and the simple TJ gives you the freedom to decide how you want to do something.
All in all it comes down to driving style, what type of terrain you are on, and what your comfort and experience levels are.
In the woods I prefer my TJ because I like feeling connected to the ground under me, and I like to be forced to concentrate on what I am doing. I have friends who would rather just put it in gear and just steer the rest of the trip, letting the truck do the work.
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Post by: dks on January 13, 2014, 09:44:38 PM
Post by: derekmac on January 13, 2014, 10:13:09 PM
That's a question that is debated a lot and I don't think has any real answer. The electronics in my new Jeep (JKU) make it easier to off road because it does all the thinking for you. Hill Descent Mode and skid control are two very helpful things to have, and that's why they were invented. If they didn't serve a purpose, they wouldn't exist.I agree, personally I'd rather not have the electronics do the thinking for me. I do prefer an automatic for offroading though. There are times when it's nice to be able to use your left foot on the brake, and right on the gas. For regular daily driving, I do prefer a standard though.
HOWEVER, they also insulate the driver from the terrain, which isn't a good thing, and if something gets broken, they are impossible to fix at the side of the trail. My old TJ doesn't go anywhere unless you make it go there- you are very much a part of the process and you have to not only pay attention to what you are doing, but you have to make intelligent choices about how much to be on the clutch, whether to be in 2WD, 4HI or 4LO, you have to give it the gas and the brake, decide what gear to be in going in, and what gear to be in coming out, and the simple TJ gives you the freedom to decide how you want to do something.
All in all it comes down to driving style, what type of terrain you are on, and what your comfort and experience levels are.
In the woods I prefer my TJ because I like feeling connected to the ground under me, and I like to be forced to concentrate on what I am doing. I have friends who would rather just put it in gear and just steer the rest of the trip, letting the truck do the work.
Def
Some people do need the vehicle to do all the thinking for them though. Whether it's due to lack of skill, or knowledge, or laziness. I can see hill decent being a nice feature though, but I don't have it, and have done fine so far without, same with you in the TJ.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 18, 2014, 12:56:34 PM
Anyways I apparently didn't do it all properly and I came barreling down a dirt hill, then when I tried to show down I started to slide, then started to go sideways. I was not amused.
I look at all of these devices as ways to try to recreate the benefits of a manual transmission. Hill descent mode in my TJ was called second gear, with one foot on the brake and the other on the clutch. Best part was, it wasn't difficult to activate. :D
It strikes me as false economy when I see them develop a new system to make things easier then have to develop three other systems to recreate the functionality of the initial, simpler system.
Like the "collision avoidance system" found in new cars that lights up on the dash when you are about to run into something. I remember when we used to use a windshield for that.
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Post by: Chako on January 18, 2014, 01:17:36 PM
Post by: gregozedobe on January 18, 2014, 02:37:02 PM
EDIT: Here is what I mean. A mechanical offroader (it is a jeep but it could have been any other standard offroader) Vs the electronics of Rover. As far as I know the discovery does not have locking axles and neither, it seems , does the jeep.
The Dicovery might not have locking differentials, but the electrickery was using individual wheel brakes to stop a spinning wheel from spinning, thus forcing the diff to transfer most of the torque to the other wheel on the axle (usually the one with more weight on it and therefore more traction). The Jeep obviously wasn't using axle diff locks, as every time it lifted a wheel that unweighted wheel would spin.
In effect the Discovery behaves as if it had diff locks (just that they are electronically operated on individual wheels). If the Jeep had functional diff locks it would have sailed up just as easy as the Discovery, or perhaps even slightly easier with no spinning wheels or hesitation at all.
Given the (well deserved) bad reputation Land Rovers (and Range Rovers) have for electrical failures I think I'd prefer more reliable mechanically operated diff locks for serious off road work. When I had Toyota Land Cruisers I ran a mix of Detroit Lockers and ARB air lockers. I preferred the ARBs because I could run with open diffs when I wanted (Detroit Lockers are always "on" and mess with steering response, even when they are in the rear diff).
Post by: derekmac on January 18, 2014, 03:16:55 PM
Hill descent almost killed me once. I decided to try it out on a hill but there's a lot more to it than just pressing the button. You have to be in 4WD, not touch the pedals, spin around three times and blow a kiss to a full moon for it to come on.Not touching the pedals wouldn't be an easy thing to get used to! I can always tell if someone is driving a standard on the trails, as their brake lights will seldom come on, where I'll be on the brakes quite a bit.
Anyways I apparently didn't do it all properly and I came barreling down a dirt hill, then when I tried to show down I started to slide, then started to go sideways. I was not amused.
I look at all of these devices as ways to try to recreate the benefits of a manual transmission. Hill descent mode in my TJ was called second gear, with one foot on the brake and the other on the clutch. Best part was, it wasn't difficult to activate. :D
It strikes me as false economy when I see them develop a new system to make things easier then have to develop three other systems to recreate the functionality of the initial, simpler system.
Like the "collision avoidance system" found in new cars that lights up on the dash when you are about to run into something. I remember when we used to use a windshield for that.
Def
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A lot of new systems are designed to remove the driver from the actual experience of driving. I mean, with systems that will slow you down if you're too close to the car in front of you, and will steer for you if you start to wonder out of your lane, and will parallel park for you automatically, they are taking the joys and responsibilities out of it.
Did I ever mention I love my Jeep Patriot. Best snow machine I have ever owned. :DNo, I don't think you have mentioned it yet Dan. :pok: :D :rofl:
Yep, you don't need to have mechanical lockers to have the benefits of them. I actually really like systems that will brake the spinning wheel so the one with traction will get power. Even though it's electronicly activated, I'd prefer that over a lunch box locker, or air locker. For adding a locker though, I'd love to install ARB air lockers in my rig! The cost is pretty crazy for them though, so I'll never end up getting them. I could install Spartan or Aussie lockers front and rear for cheaper than doing just the rear with ARB.EDIT: Here is what I mean. A mechanical offroader (it is a jeep but it could have been any other standard offroader) Vs the electronics of Rover. As far as I know the discovery does not have locking axles and neither, it seems , does the jeep.
The Dicovery might not have locking differentials, but the electrickery was using individual wheel brakes to stop a spinning wheel from spinning, thus forcing the diff to transfer most of the torque to the other wheel on the axle (usually the one with more weight on it and therefore more traction). The Jeep obviously wasn't using axle diff locks, as every time it lifted a wheel that unweighted wheel would spin.
In effect the Discovery behaves as if it had diff locks (just that they are electronically operated on individual wheels). If the Jeep had functional diff locks it would have sailed up just as easy as the Discovery, or perhaps even slightly easier with no spinning wheels or hesitation at all.
Given the (well deserved) bad reputation Land Rovers (and Range Rovers) have for electrical failures I think I'd prefer more reliable mechanically operated diff locks for serious off road work. When I had Toyota Land Cruisers I ran a mix of Detroit Lockers and ARB air lockers. I preferred the ARBs because I could run with open diffs when I wanted (Detroit Lockers are always "on" and mess with steering response, even when they are in the rear diff).
Post by: dks on January 18, 2014, 03:33:32 PM
I believe that hill decent was introduced (in the freelander?) to help cars that did not have low gears get down hills (and then realise that they can not get up.. :D ).
On a regular offroader I just put the car in low, 1st gear, and let it slowly go down the hill. A good car should have the ability to go down mostly unaided.
It makes sense that you will go into 1st low before you start going down ;)
It is rarely needed to touch the breaks or the throttle (some obstruction, maybe wanting to go a bit faster/slower, slipping and trying to stop the slippage)
Post by: Whoey on January 24, 2014, 08:43:38 PM
http://www.supercompressor.com/rides/custom-jeep-the-full-metal-jacket-by-starwood-motors
(http://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/image/1137669/size/tl-horizontal_main)
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 24, 2014, 10:01:11 PM
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Post by: Higgins617 on January 24, 2014, 10:44:33 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 25, 2014, 01:05:49 PM
You are right, that a lot of this stuff just helps people with no skill get through rougher terrain than they would ordinarily, but it does come in handy sometimes for the experienced driver, and occasionally makes things easier for them as well. I'm a bit harsher on these functions simply because I am used to driving a Jeep that is about as raw as they come- my old TJ.
If the Wrangler ever goes IFS then this JKU will be the last Jeep I buy. I wasn't thrilled when they got rid of the old 4L engine and replaced with with the 3.8L, which was the wrong engine for the Wrangler. It was only after they switched to the 3.6L Pentastar (I know, same engine but better setup) that I considered a Jeep again. Even though I have two of them, I don't consider myself a Jeep Guy- I bought one only because there were no other options in the SUV market for a solid front axle. I guess I may have to go to a pickup next, but luckily I have a decade or so before I have to worry about that.
By the way, in three more days my JKU will be a year old. :D
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 25, 2014, 01:27:04 PM
I like the Jeep brand, I do. I also like VW, Mercedes, Porsche, GM and Ford. I dislike "Jeep People" and there are two kinds of those that I dislike equally.
Type A is your typical "You can only offroad in a Jeep, and nothing else is a Jeep" type person. I wheel with a few of them, and the fact is, you can "wheel" in just about anything with varying degrees of success. Yes, the Wrangler is probably the best (if not pretty close to it) off roader out of the box, but these guys usually spend a good $10k on upgrades like lift kits, bigger tires, bumpers etc (which I will probably do too, eventually :P) to make it better. Personally I firmly believe that any car can be a good off roader with $10k worth of activity specific upgrades. These people however are "Jeep or nothin'" and don't realize that as good as the Jeep is, it's the person behind the wheel or it's the ditch. Jeep is simply a good tool for the job, but you can hammer a nail with a rock, and Jeep is not the Be All, End All.
On the flip side of the coin is the "Fashion Jeep Accessory" type people. I have a friend like this, although I won't mention who- she has a Jeep Patriot not because it's a decent truck in it's own right, but because she wanted a "Jeep" the same way she wants a Gucci or whatever the latest handbags are. If Jeep made a small hybrid hatchback she'd probably buy that just because it said Jeep on it and that was the bottom line for her. No other brand of truck would do, she needed to have a Jeep, and she wanted one as far away from a "real" Jeep (the Wrangler) as possible because she didn't like the way my old TJ rode. Admittedly my TJ is a very rough ride, but then, that's what a Jeep is all about. A rough vehicle is going to have a fairly rough ride. I don't see much point to buying something that is famous for being one thing, then buying something that has the name but none of the things it's famous for. (No offense to Chako here, who has a Patriot and loves it- he bought it because it was the right rig for him at the right price and at the right time, not just because it said Jeep on the front!)
I suppose technically these folks have the same issue, they just approach it in different ways. I appreciate a Jeep for what it is- inexpensive, capable and solid enough for the things I want (need) it to do for fun and work. If and when I replace my JKU I'll be looking at all of my options again, and if the Toyota FJ, Nissan XTerra or other vehicle became available in the price point I want with the features I want I'd seriously consider them as well, even though on the whole I don't like Toyota or Nissan. I may have a preference for Jeep, but I'd rather have the right tool for the job, regardless of what's stamped on the handle.
Rant over... :P
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Post by: derekmac on January 25, 2014, 02:49:43 PM
I don't like the type A Jeep people, which is why I have never been on a run with the Jeep Club. Just chatting on their forum was enough for me to know that even I, being in a Jeep, wouldn't be good enough because it wasn't a Wrangler or a Cherokee. I enjoy going with the Backcountry crew since there's always a good mix of different rigs. Toyota, Nissan, Jeep, Ford, Suzuki, Mercedes, Hummer, you name it, you'll see it, and no one cares what you drive.
I have no idea what my next rig will be. If we decide not to camp, and go to cottages instead, I'll probably buy either a TJ or JK. The biggest reason being parts availability, and capability. I'm not overly concerned with comfort, but I do have to say, the Grand is rather cozy through the rough stuff. :D
Post by: Chako on January 25, 2014, 03:15:28 PM
Things I don't like about my Patriot.
1. CVT is a bit weird until you get used to it.
2. Engine noise is a little more noticeable at times...but that is a very minor quibble. People pay big bucks to hear their hot rod engines. Me, I get to pretend I have one at times lol.
3. Orange night lights on the front are off the bumper...meaning one has to clear the bumper of snow for others to see them. Another minor quibble. But if it was designed purely for winter climates, I know they would have placed them higher on the front...I hope.
Things I like about my Patriot.
1. Lighted cup holders. That is a nice little touch.
2. 4x4 for winter driving. This makes a huge difference. A friend of mine has a vehicle that has all wheel drive...but she hates it because it doesn't work all that well in wintertime. She doesn't get the traction when she needs it. I let her test drive the Patriot, and she told me that the Patriot is a perfect winter driver. I have to agree.
3. The size. I was looking to downsize my vehicle from the larger minivan...but didn't know it at the time I was looking for a vehicle. The Patriot is just the right size.
4. Heated side mirrors and seats. I thought the seats were gimmicky...but I have come to appreciate them on minus 30 Celsius days. Heated mirrors...every vehicle that drives in winter climates should have this as standard. Now if only I could get heated wipers...I would have it made.
5. No hidden wipers. The old Chevy Venture van had hidden wipers designed purely for tropical climates. Oh how I hated those wipers when they got iced up etc. I made sure the new vehicle...whatever it was going to be, didn't have hidden wipers.
So there you have it. Why I bought a Jeep Patriot. I am very happy with it. I know a lot of Jeep "People" look down on it. It is no offroader by any accounts, but then, not many need that capability. :)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 25, 2014, 03:34:10 PM
As for comfort I'd put my JKU against a Grand Cherokee any day. It isn't just comfortable and smooth compared to my TJ, it's a great ride all around.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 25, 2014, 03:55:06 PM
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Post by: dks on January 25, 2014, 04:49:11 PM
I would like to get a Jeep but the engine size makes it very hard to be competitive. They are available with some diesels too but they were not really designed for that. Parts availability is also an issue. Most Jeeps here are mainly fashion accessories. (the only "Jeep" that was competitive was the Korando, licensed production of the Jeep CJ-7, from Korea that was slightly popular 20 years ago)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Korando.JPG)
Land Rovers are good too, but the front seats are just too small. You can find some ex-army ones for cheap, with new engines (Japanese mainly). Again the reputation of newer Rovers (electrics etc.) really worries me and they are also bought as fashion accessories; lots of Sport's around. (I am, however, really keen on the new sport as seen on TG)
So, like most people here I use Japanese off-roaders. (I think I described the history of 4WD cars here in previous looooooong post.)
It is funny how many seem to put raised air intakes in their cars here (a new fashion), where there are no rivers, only torrents, or any deep water you can actually cross (only the sea and some dams). :o
Post by: Higgins617 on January 25, 2014, 05:45:00 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 25, 2014, 05:46:13 PM
(http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/1979_Toyota_Landcruiser_FJ40_Front_1.jpg)
As much as I dislike Toyota, I'd grab one of these in a heartbeat. :D
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Post by: Higgins617 on January 25, 2014, 05:47:36 PM
Post by: Cupboard on January 25, 2014, 06:53:16 PM
The Series LRs had some basic electrical problems, but I get the impression most old cars did. Ever head of the Prince of Darkness? The 2nd generation Range Rovers (P38) were *terrible*.
TD5 Defenders do sometimes have issues, but they're not too bad and I'd very happily buy one. In fact, if anyone knows someone wanting to sell a 110 TD5 hard top...
Modern Discoveries are extremely nice to ride in, a friend of mine has just got one and it's lovely. I haven't heard of excessive electrical problems in them but his seems to have every possible electronic gizmo under the sun so there's lots of potential for things to go wrong there. I love the concept of being able to raise and power the suspension at will.
Defenders, however, aren't exactly the best vehicles for the taller or larger occupant. I'm 5'11 and not desperately portly but in our 110 pickup on the farm I hit my knee on the steering wheel when using the clutch or brake. On non-pickups you can get things called Mud Rails which raise the seat and allow it to go further back, but due to the limited space in the pickup's cab they don't have much benefit. It is probably the only vehicle for the job though, and we wouldn't swap it for anything. There are no other vehicles available with the off road towing capabilities it has short of a Unimog.
On diff-locks vs suspension upgrades, I'd do the diff-lock first any day:
Lockers vs Extreme Suspension (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBNPZFNOK-4#)
Post by: Higgins617 on January 25, 2014, 08:03:33 PM
Post by: derekmac on January 25, 2014, 09:04:26 PM
Post by: Chako on January 25, 2014, 09:27:50 PM
http://www.jeep.com/en/4x4/#FreedomDrive1*
Post by: derekmac on January 25, 2014, 09:44:28 PM
Jeep certainly offers an almost bewildering selection of 4x4 systems on their various models.That they do!! I really don't think they need to have all those different options, but it does look impressive when you see them all listed out like that.
http://www.jeep.com/en/4x4/#FreedomDrive1*
Post by: Higgins617 on January 25, 2014, 09:52:26 PM
Post by: derekmac on January 25, 2014, 10:02:12 PM
I agree Derek, anybody else out there who isn't too fond of the idea of an electronic based 4x4 system?(as in no transfer case)Yep, personally I think 4x4 running gear and electronics don't mix well together. I'd much rather pull a lever that's attached directly to a tcase and know it will engage, rather than push a button and hope for the best.
Post by: Higgins617 on January 25, 2014, 10:18:39 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 25, 2014, 10:25:40 PM
I don't want a button or a dial, I want a LEVER that I can pull on and feel the gears coming together.
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Post by: Higgins617 on January 25, 2014, 10:36:06 PM
Post by: derekmac on January 25, 2014, 10:40:14 PM
I have Goodyear Duratracs, and Kelly Safari TSR tires. They are almost identical tires though, as Goodyear makes the Safari tires. Mine are 31's.
Post by: Higgins617 on January 25, 2014, 10:46:36 PM
Post by: Cupboard on January 25, 2014, 10:50:20 PM
You're spot on about the lockers Cupboard, you can have the best suspension and tires in the world but if you can't get the power to the ground it is all useless. The older Land Rovers are really cool, there isn't too many Jeeps available over there is there? Loving the 4x4 conversation.
They're not unknown but you don't get many Wranglers. Problems is they all came with huge and silly petrol engines by default historically.
The smaller Jeep Cherokee seems to be appearing a bit more.
I agree Derek, anybody else out there who isn't too fond of the idea of an electronic based 4x4 system?(as in no transfer case)Yep, personally I think 4x4 running gear and electronics don't mix well together. I'd much rather pull a lever that's attached directly to a tcase and know it will engage, rather than push a button and hope for the best.
I sort of agree with this sentiment, and I sort of don't. I've said it before but I wouldn't want anything other than the fancy electronics we have in tractors. Electronics done properly have their place. Any halfway modern car, 4x4 etc. will have a completely electronically controlled engine, and in many ways that's a good thing. Even Defenders post 1998 have had an electronically managed engine and they're about as basic as you get!
That said, there is something very nice about slotting a gearbox in to low range and knowing that it's there.
Post by: Higgins617 on January 25, 2014, 11:00:30 PM
Post by: derekmac on January 26, 2014, 03:34:48 AM
That's funny I was just looking at the Duratracs yesterday, but since I'm a college kid with pretty short funds I may have to give the safaris a good look. How do the two compare? The Wrangler RTSs on mine have seen better days and honestly I can't say I'm really a fan of them.They're almost identical tires. They're great on and off-road. They're fairly aggressive yet are nice and quiet on road.
I usually run 20psi off-road, and they grip really well. Here, they are almost the same price as the Duratracs, which in my size is around $240 a tire.
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Post by: sir_mike on January 26, 2014, 04:54:55 AM
If I was in Europe I'd probably opt for an old Defender or Land Cruiser over a Jeep.
(http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/1979_Toyota_Landcruiser_FJ40_Front_1.jpg)
As much as I dislike Toyota, I'd grab one of these in a heartbeat. :D
Def
Oh yeah, I would take one of those! :tu:
Post by: dks on January 26, 2014, 01:47:43 PM
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/IMG_20140126_125937.jpg)
Post by: Cupboard on January 26, 2014, 02:18:42 PM
The huge silly engine comment almost made me spit out my drink laughing :D. Not sure if you watch Top Gear or not but all I could think of is Jeremy Clarkson making fun of how unnecessarily big and unrefined American vehicles are. It's sort of true but it adds character(at least that's what I tell myself :)). I don't think electronics should be taken out completely, but I do believe that it should be a healthy balance somewhere in the middle. Especially for off road vehicles.
It's true though ;)
You're paying, I think according to the AAA, about $1/litre for petrol, we're paying £1.30 a litre or $2.15, that's a huge difference.
Plus I like diesels (apart from the silly EU features like DPFs but that's another rant).
I have to say I do like the look of Wranglers, but they're more expensive here than a Defender, interesting parts are harder to find and their towing capacity is pathetic. Want to put a hydraulic winch on your Defender? Easy! Wrangler? Possible but there aren't multiple companies providing off the shelf parts. Ditto rear diff locks, upgraded drivelines etc etc.
I imagine it's the exact opposite on the other side of the pond.
Post by: derekmac on January 26, 2014, 02:44:01 PM
Gas here is $1.32/litre, and our prices are Government regulated. Every Friday, the price changes, and all stations have to sell at the same price.The huge silly engine comment almost made me spit out my drink laughing :D. Not sure if you watch Top Gear or not but all I could think of is Jeremy Clarkson making fun of how unnecessarily big and unrefined American vehicles are. It's sort of true but it adds character(at least that's what I tell myself :)). I don't think electronics should be taken out completely, but I do believe that it should be a healthy balance somewhere in the middle. Especially for off road vehicles.
It's true though ;)
You're paying, I think according to the AAA, about $1/litre for petrol, we're paying £1.30 a litre or $2.15, that's a huge difference.
Plus I like diesels (apart from the silly EU features like DPFs but that's another rant).
I have to say I do like the look of Wranglers, but they're more expensive here than a Defender, interesting parts are harder to find and their towing capacity is pathetic. Want to put a hydraulic winch on your Defender? Easy! Wrangler? Possible but there aren't multiple companies providing off the shelf parts. Ditto rear diff locks, upgraded drivelines etc etc.
I imagine it's the exact opposite on the other side of the pond.
You're right. Here you can buy Jeep parts just about anywhere. I imagine we could get Defender parts, but they'd probably be harder to get, and much more expensive.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 26, 2014, 02:55:29 PM
Still, the parts issue is the same for most European vehicles here, regardless of the brand or type- you have to go to the dealer (if there is one) or a specialty shop. The guy at work was saying "I have no problem obtaining parts- there's a company in Montreal I deal with."
Well, now that's excellent, except that Montreal is approximately 1,000 kms away from here, so it best not be a part I'm in a hurry for as the best I could get is obtaining the part tomorrow if I pay extra for overnight shipping. So, basically, pay extra to a specialty shop or dealer then pay extra for shipping or, in the case of my Jeep, go to Canadian Tire, UAP/NAPA, Parts Source, or even places like Sears, Costco or Wal Mart to buy parts (usually batteries or wiper blades) and walk out with what I need. All of these are within ten kilometers of my house- most much less. There's even a place called Action Car and Truck in that range that has all kinds of specialty truck parts for towing, lifting, adding lights and other custom touches. They are a bit pricier than some of the other places, but they are a specialty shop like the one in Montreal, but they are at least local.
I would imagine that in Europe, and especially the UK it's a lot easier to buy parts for Land Rovers than any Jeeps, just as it's easier to get Jeep parts here than Land Rover parts. That being said, I would love to have a Defender or other classic Land Rover. Sadly I am hearing rumors that the Defender is being discontinued, which I find tragic and upsetting.
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Post by: Higgins617 on January 26, 2014, 05:39:08 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 26, 2014, 07:04:44 PM
The benefit is that when the weather gets bad (as I'm sure you have encountered in Boston) the Jeep (or Land Rover, Durango, Suburban etc) is capable of operating when roads are somewhat flooded, or able to hop curbs when there's a large branch across the road (to say nothing of having the available torque needed to push or pull that branch off the road!) or even if there's more than six inches of snow and/or slush on the road.
Most of my so called "off roading" is done on the road, between bad weather days, major storms, construction and minor flooding, not to mention some of the places I work!
A 4x4 isn't just an off roader- it's a multitool with wheels. :D
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Post by: Higgins617 on January 26, 2014, 08:25:20 PM
Post by: Cupboard on January 26, 2014, 11:12:12 PM
Cupboard, why are small diesels so popular over there?
Because they can do everything you need them to. A current Defender has a 2.2 diesel, from about 2007 it had a 2.4 and from 1999 to then it had a 2.5, 5 cylinder. Before the TD5 both the 200Tdi and 300Tdi with 2.5l with around about the same power. You're looking at 120HP-ish and that means they're not particularly quick but you can still get to the speed limit eventually. Discoveries seem to be most common with around a 3l these days and they're much quicker. Most "normal" pickups and 4x4s seem to have 2.5-3l, 4- or 6- cylinder diesels because they do the job without costing the earth to run.
Move to something like a BMW X5 or a Porshe whateveritscalled or even a Range Rover and you'll have a bigger and more powerful engine, but that's a completely different class of vehicle. They're luxury cars rather than utility vehicles.
IMO on small roads your speed is limited by your brakes and visibility, and on big roads you're limited by the speed limit. Once you have enough power, any more doesn't really get you far. It depends what you want the vehicle for really.
In the UK you can't have a trailer of more than 3500kgs until you're towing it with the next class up vehicle with the next class up license, and you can tow a 3500kg trailer with a Defender, Discovery and Isuzu D-Max. The Defender's off-road ability is at the top of its game and combined with the towing ability is why we have one on the farm. There's nothing else out there that can do everything we use it for. A larger engine with more power wouldn't increase the towing ability, wouldn't increase the off-road ability and would increase the weight and fuel consumption.
My only personal car at the moment is a little tin box with a 1.4 petrol but for what I do I don't *need* anything more. In this part of the world I'm very unlikely to get properly stuck with a LTB and it's a compromise I'm willing to make for the sake of a few pennies. I am after a 110 hard top as more of a fun vehicle.
A 4x4 isn't just an off roader- it's a multitool with wheels. :D
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You're quite right. And for someone like you and everyone that's been part of this thread they're a great asset.
Go in to London and they're just a menace, again IMO.
Sadly I am hearing rumors that the Defender is being discontinued, which I find tragic and upsetting.
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Yup, 2015 springs to mind. There are some emissions regulations coming in that outlaw it.
The DC100 concept they released looks, to my mind, rather more like a Wrangler. Not really the out and out commercial vehicle that the Defender is.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 26, 2014, 11:20:33 PM
seriously, my TJ is perfect for roads in old cities. Halifax is one of the oldest cities in North America (which I realize makes it very new compared to London! :P) but we also suffer from narrow roads and limited parking, and that was one of the things I loved about my TJ the most. The new JKU is longer and has less visibility thanks to the added length, headrests on the back seats and smaller windows and I really notice the difference in driving downtown.
For comparison, my Jeep TJ has a much narrower turning circle than my VW Golf, so if you can drive a Golf in London the Jeep wouldn't be a problem. Provided you have an older two door... :D
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Post by: Higgins617 on January 27, 2014, 12:40:16 AM
Post by: derekmac on January 27, 2014, 12:46:29 AM
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Post by: derekmac on January 27, 2014, 12:47:06 AM
I wish we had Diesel engines available in more vehicles here. Not just for 4x4s, but everything. Our old 02 Jetta was diesel, and 5spd, and it was a dream to drive. Even on the steepest hills, you could release the clutch some, than then brake, and it would pull you right up. On level ground, you could start out in 2nd without having to give it any throttle. You just plain and simple can not beat the low end grunt of a diesel.
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Post by: Higgins617 on January 27, 2014, 12:57:43 AM
Post by: dks on January 27, 2014, 07:25:31 AM
We just have to be slower and use better technique rather than try to blast up the hills.
I have had situations where i wanted to take a good run up a hill (soft mterial/steep hill) and I just run out of steam halfway up the hill, and had to slowly go down in reverse.
Maybe a bigger diesel would have made it too, but the taxes on them are killers.
Post by: Higgins617 on January 27, 2014, 02:35:09 PM
Post by: Whoey on January 27, 2014, 03:11:10 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santana_Motor
(http://fotos.tusanuncios.com/img/IMAGENES-USUARIO/IMG_764/b011ed1a-b3b4-4c50-8935-90763f0388de_633917150946586096.jpg)
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Land_Rover_Defender_front_20080226.jpg)
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Post by: Higgins617 on January 27, 2014, 03:27:04 PM
Post by: Cupboard on January 28, 2014, 12:30:53 AM
Yeah they make better low end torque than any comparable gas engine does, I don't know personally but from what I've read the new diesels available in the Grand Cherokees and Rams are supposed to be pretty solid work horses. 420 Ft/Lbs of torque in the Grand with a turbo which is good for 7200Lbs towing for the 4x4.(3265kg for you silly metric people :D) I don't personally want one but it sounds like a great other option.
Over here, we have three engine options for the Grand Cherokee, a 188HP 3l V6 diesel with 440Nm torque, a 247hp 3l V6 diesel with 570Nm (that's your 420ft/lbs figure) torque and a 461hp 6.4l V8 developing 624Nm torque but at twice the RPM.
The V8 weighs more, has over 1/2 a ton less towing capacity (3500kg for the diesel, 2949kg for the V8), it has less ground clearance, worse approach and departure angles, uses about twice as much fuel and has half the service intervals. It will do 0-62 in 5 seconds instead of 8 seconds but who cares?
Given that, you might see why the diesel would be more popular and that's ignoring what I think would be a pretty huge tax bill on the V8.
Comparing it to a Discovery (I think that's the best to compare it to really) you get 256hp and 600Nm out of another 3l diesel giving about the same fuel economy and performance as the diesel Jeep. So fairly comparable I think.
Post by: Higgins617 on January 28, 2014, 12:40:51 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 28, 2014, 12:46:49 AM
I have a few friends with diesel Jettas and Passats and they are always complaining about them in the cold. Of course much of that could have to do with these cars also being 20 year old beaters that these guys bought for next to nothing and hold together with bailing wire and spit.
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Post by: derekmac on January 28, 2014, 12:48:27 AM
Our 2002 Jetta diesel would start in -20c weather no problem without needing to be plugged in. Any colder and we'd have to cycle the glow plugs a few times, but it would always fire up. I'm pretty sure most newer diesel engines have no troubles at all starting in cold weather.
*EDIT* We never had to plug the car in for it to start. I miss that car!! :cry:
Post by: derekmac on January 28, 2014, 12:51:11 AM
Diesels also have issues at -30 to -40C. :ahhhI had one of those. My 88 Diesel Jetta would not start unless being plugged in if it was below freezing. The car also was pretty much all original with over 400,000 on it. Whenever we would go out and it was cold, we'd just leave the car running and hope it was still there when we got back to it. :D
I have a few friends with diesel Jettas and Passats and they are always complaining about them in the cold. Of course much of that could have to do with these cars also being 20 year old beaters that these guys bought for next to nothing and hold together with bailing wire and spit.
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Post by: Higgins617 on January 28, 2014, 01:41:23 AM
Post by: derekmac on February 03, 2014, 05:11:23 PM
Going to have to think hard about this one. I like to travel and camp, but my wife would be happier with a permanent. To be honest, it would be nice having a kind of retreat to go to that has everything there, ready to go.
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Post by: Higgins617 on February 03, 2014, 05:24:36 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 04, 2014, 01:14:22 AM
I just ordered a set of these aluminum plates for my fenders:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=111269473061
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Post by: derekmac on February 04, 2014, 01:27:09 AM
I'm still not 100% on getting a TJ, though I really really want one! I've put quite a bit of money into my Grand to keep it in good shape, and running well, so I'd hate to lose all that money by selling it. I might just get a nice 4" lift for it down the road, and more upgraded components for it.
We probably won't be doing anything this year anyways, so I'll have time to run my options through my head many times over. :D
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 04, 2014, 01:48:07 AM
It is far from a practical vehicle, but your kids are going to love being driven to school on a nice day with the top down and the doors off, and you will love how perfectly it slides into even the tiniest parking spaces without an issue.
I love my TJ. It is by far the absolute most fun vehicle I have ever driven, very narrowly beating out a '74 MGB Midget. It's very much the same kind of feel, only in the TJ you can take it more places! :D
I got the black versions of those fender plates, not the polished ones. I like the black better, and it suits my TJ since it's yellow and black. I have a hole rotted in my passenger side fender and this is a cheaper/easier way to get my safety done. I'll replace the fenders sooner or later, but for now it's another expense I don't need.
Also, for the record, my clear lights for the grille on my JKU came in and I'm also waiting on a Rugged Ridge hitch receiver and wiring harness for it as well.
For the TJ I'm thinking of getting rid of my rag and hard top and just going with a frameless soft top. I love my rag but it's had it's day, and since the TJ has passed from Daily Driver to Toy I don't think I need the hard top anymore. Plus, that gives me two switch spots for lights or other things. One thing not a lot of people think about is the very limited amount of places you can put switches in a TJ. There are three right by the cigarette lighter- one for fog lamps, one for rear defroster and one for the rear wiper. With no hard top I wouldn't need the rear defroster or wiper switches so I could set up more lights or something. Maybe something like this (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2004-Jeep-Wrangler-ZOMBIE-Rocker-Switch-Stock-Look-Snaps-in-Stock-Panel-/300899728230?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item460f057b66&vxp=mtr)... >:D
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Post by: derekmac on February 06, 2014, 05:07:50 PM
I priced a set of sway bar disconnects, and they're $69 plus tax, so I think I'm going to order a set up. A little extra articulation will be nice on the trails. I've also been looking at 4" lifts, and the one I want is around $800, so that might be something to save up for.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 14, 2014, 05:36:14 PM
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Post by: derekmac on February 14, 2014, 05:44:26 PM
I'm in the process of trying to design rock sliders for my rig. I have two forklift fork extensions that I got from work (slight bend, can't use) and they're 1/4" think, so they're strong as hell. Not sure how I want to go about doing them though. Also, I've have no fab skills, and have only welded a couple of times! :ahhh
Are you going on the topless run Sunday? Looks like it's going to be a big turn out, probably around 40 Jeeps going.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 14, 2014, 06:09:09 PM
Plus organized runs aren't really my thing as you may have noticed. :D
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 21, 2014, 01:28:29 PM
One guy started making fun of a Toyota driver (and we all know how I feel about Toyota) and then when the Toyota driver pointed out that the Jeep guy was acting like an idiot, the Jeep guy started talking about how brands don't matter, and that he'd always help pull the Toyota guy out of the mud. The fact is, the Toyota guy has a lot more off road miles under him and even more wrenching experience than the Jeep guy will ever have, and the Jeep guy spends more time punishing his skid plates than he does on his wheels.
this is why I say that while I may have two Jeeps, I am NOT a Jeep guy. This "Jeep or nothin'" stuff is utter BS and it makes me ashamed to own a Jeep. Hell, this is one of the main reasons I don't like Toyota. ::)
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Post by: derekmac on February 21, 2014, 01:35:30 PM
I've only been on one run with the Jeep club, because like you, I don't classify myself as a Jeep guy. I like wheeling with everything (even Toyotas) as I think it's cool to be able to see what different rigs are capable of.
I also never get the Jeep wave. :(
Post by: dks on February 21, 2014, 01:55:28 PM
Some people are happy with just one brand and fail to enjoy all the other brands.
Some brands are genuinely bad but many will have something better/different to offer.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 21, 2014, 02:04:22 PM
Henderson smokes so much dope that its easy for him to remember things the way he wants to rather than the way they were. If it isn't a Jeep or weed it doesn't matter in his mind and frankly I'm thinking about avoiding any runs he's on in the future.
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Post by: derekmac on February 21, 2014, 02:28:16 PM
The Jeep wave is really more of a Wrangler thing, but I wave to anyone who has something built.Yeah, it really is the Wrangler Wave, which is fine by me. I usually give the 4x4 head nod.
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Henderson smokes so much dope that its easy for him to remember things the way he wants to rather than the way they were. If it isn't a Jeep or weed it doesn't matter in his mind and frankly I'm thinking about avoiding any runs he's on in the future.He really does like the stuff doesn't he! I haven't had any problems with him myself, or seen any attitude on the trails. Last run we were on had Toys and Jeeps and everyone got along great.
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I'll wheel with anyone as long as they are not idiots on the trails.
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Post by: derekmac on February 21, 2014, 04:25:12 PM
Well that counts me out. .... :P:rofl: Your idiocy is OK, encouraged even :D It's the ones that like to drink and have no regard for the safety of others that I don't like.
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Post by: Higgins617 on February 22, 2014, 03:34:51 AM
It's an elitist attitude that people take on for absolutely no reason at all. Oh Jeeps are best. Oh 29 inch wheels are best. Oh Leathermans best...... Who cares! Just enjoy the hobby whichever it may be, and share it with others who love it like you do.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 22, 2014, 05:03:26 PM
Just to clarify something above, I have no issues with people smoking weed. I don't do it, but that's my choice. If you want to smoke it, go for it, that's up to you. I just didn't want anyone to think I was coming down on pot smokers- I know we have at least a few people who partake here, and that's fine by me.
What gets to me is people who can ignore proven facts and other things right in front of them simply to uphold their theory that what they have or think is better than what you have or think.
I recall a particular guy once telling me that a Jeep was the best off roader you can buy, and that he'd put $15k into building it up. Well, for a budget of $15k any car can be an awesome off roader.
For example (although I don't know what the budget was for this!) here's a Smart Car that could likely put both my Jeeps (and most of the local Jeep Club!) to shame on a trail!
Monster Smart (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDU5BU_qSJU#)
Or this Camaro:
Z28 4x4 Camaro Redneck Style (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew2EeANlIh0#ws)
What people don't get is that a Jeep is a good off road vehicle out of the box, but any of the mods they do to make it better are mods that could make any car better.
I like my Jeeps for what they are, not for the brand name on them. :D
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Post by: derekmac on February 22, 2014, 06:13:24 PM
Before:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/IMG_20121117_152032.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/IMG_20121117_152032.jpg.html)
After:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/EC007B0B-973B-48A0-AD23-734DD56952B2_zpsspxzyvxj.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/EC007B0B-973B-48A0-AD23-734DD56952B2_zpsspxzyvxj.jpg.html)
Post by: Cupboard on February 22, 2014, 09:59:37 PM
Looks a bit unstable!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 22, 2014, 10:44:32 PM
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Post by: derekmac on February 22, 2014, 10:58:17 PM
I think it makes it a little more Jeepish looking, and should give a little better approach as well.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 23, 2014, 01:12:15 AM
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Post by: derekmac on February 23, 2014, 01:23:36 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 23, 2014, 01:35:48 AM
TJ's are notorious for not having many places for extra switches, but there are three low down on the center part of the dash- one is for fog lamps, one is for the rear wiper and the other is for the rear defroster. Since I am going to sell of my hard top and just stick to a frameless soft top I figure I won't need the rear defroster and wiper switches, so I am going to replace them with something like these:
Zombie Lights (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1997-Jeep-Wrangler-ZOMBIE-Rocker-Switch-Stock-Look-Snaps-in-Stock-Panel-/300900016783?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item460f09e28f&vxp=mtr)
The plan for the TJ is to upgrade the current fog lamps with LED's, connected to the current fog lamp switch, add in windshield mounted spots connected to the Zombie Lights switch and then probably a set of flashers so that I can use it for work if I feel like it.
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Post by: derekmac on February 23, 2014, 03:52:20 AM
Stupid me, I just remembered that I didn't hookup my lights on the bumper when I put everything back together. Good thing the grill is easy to take off, which I might do tomorrow to Plasti-Dip it.
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Post by: derekmac on February 25, 2014, 01:10:38 AM
(http://thepatriotperspective.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/hummer_h2_jeep_wrangler_girls_dunes_stuck_019cropped.jpg)
Post by: derekmac on February 25, 2014, 01:12:44 AM
Nice light:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/F1A1E86E-CA7C-493D-ACE1-A7756E915838_zpszsbzhvlj.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/F1A1E86E-CA7C-493D-ACE1-A7756E915838_zpszsbzhvlj.jpg.html)
Ugly light:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/A3725F2F-08D3-4295-9C76-997DF81B8CA8_zpsyobhttpu.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/A3725F2F-08D3-4295-9C76-997DF81B8CA8_zpsyobhttpu.jpg.html)
Post by: Higgins617 on February 25, 2014, 02:38:19 AM
Post by: derekmac on February 25, 2014, 02:44:18 AM
The picture really doesn't do it justice as to just how bad the ugly lights really are compared to the LED.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 25, 2014, 11:22:35 AM
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Post by: derekmac on February 25, 2014, 07:44:31 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 25, 2014, 07:54:54 PM
Jeep jk with 6000k hid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrU_uJ8ELd0#ws)
The fog lamps he has are the same ones I have- I know, I sold him a set and installed them for him! :D
I love the seats he has- they were custom upholstered, not standard Jeep JK leather seats. :drool:
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Post by: derekmac on March 01, 2014, 03:52:39 PM
I've done OK height wise, but am getting tired of bouncing the transmission cross-member off of rocks. Getting this could also mean running a couple of harder trails that I "shouldn't" run now.
The locker would be nice, especially with winter wheeling where sometimes one rear tire will have traction, meaning the other just sits there spinning.
Hmmmm, what to do, what to do....
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Post by: Higgins617 on March 04, 2014, 10:36:10 PM
They made it a point to make sure people knew it was a capable vehicle too. Too small for me but I like what they did with it, much more so than the Cherokee.
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/04/2015-jeep-renegade-deep-dive-official-photos-geneva/
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 05, 2014, 01:14:33 AM
In fact, there are rumors that in the next few years the Wranglers will lose their solid front axle in favor of IFS, which I have no interest in. If that happens my current Jeep will be my last and I'll have to go to a pickup truck.
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Post by: Higgins617 on March 05, 2014, 02:24:03 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 05, 2014, 11:44:55 AM
I guess this means I'll have to go to a pickup, not that I have plans to buy a new vehicle any time soon.
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Post by: Spatha on March 07, 2014, 07:25:47 PM
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Post by: Spatha on March 07, 2014, 07:27:24 PM
I quite like it. Not sure if you can see the mud but we took it on an 11 mile trip down an unmade road.
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Post by: Etherealicer on March 11, 2014, 06:48:49 PM
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Post by: Etherealicer on March 11, 2014, 07:56:21 PM
Hammond "test drove"(did nonsense with) one in one of the latest episodes of top gear I think. Haven't seen it yet but I plan to watch it.Top Gear 21x4, but Hammond only drives the base vehicle. The one here as been "tuned" by Brabus :rofl:
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Post by: Etherealicer on March 12, 2014, 08:32:47 AM
If anyone is wondering what to get me for Christmas, that would do nicely... :drool:You like that ??? I thought it looks like some women after plastic surgery, badly proportioned :P. Anyway, if you are ever in Germany and fell like spending a lot of money you can always rent one here: Zitzmann (http://www.autovermietung-zitzmann.com/english/produktdarstellung.php?id=775&auswahl=suf), its only 2.5k Euros per day :rofl:
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Post by: Beerplumber on March 14, 2014, 05:59:33 PM
Ive recently had some good/bad luck. Rear ended someone in traffic couple weeks ago. No body damage but sheared off my sector shaft (off the steering box) and bent my axle. The good news is I immediately took it to my local and trusted 4x4 shop for repairs. Replacing the stock D30 with Teraflex's reinforced housing (Tera30) and plopping in a Detroit true trac while I'm at it. The aftermarket make jeep repairs quite an experience. The Teraflex housing is actually cheaper than a factory 30! Saving myself years of sleeving/trussing/gusseting a poopy stock axle. I'll let you guys now how I like the true trac but on paper and reviews tell me I won't be disappointed. Lockers are not so much a time on Canadian winter roads. Selectables just aren't in my budget. Very excited to say the least. Ill likely look into putting a TT in the rear as well but really should regear if I do that so maybe next year. Sooo much expensive labour to have it done properly.
60 - 0 immediately...
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 14, 2014, 08:03:55 PM
You are welcome to start an Alberta Chapter! :P
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Post by: derekmac on March 14, 2014, 09:48:40 PM
We're in Moncton for the weekend, and it seems that every second vehicle you see is a Wrangler!!
I don't like out local Jeep club, but really enjoy going out with the Backcountry club. The only real rule is no drugs or alcohol. I've meet a bunch of really good people in it.
That would be cool to have a western chapter of the AI4x4C. :D
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Post by: dmanuel on March 18, 2014, 04:37:09 AM
(http://www.puff.com/forums/vb/attachments/cars-motorcycles/79934d1377830168-jeepers-920432_10200117227834372_918650142_o.jpg)
(http://www.puff.com/forums/vb/attachments/cars-motorcycles/79933d1377829773-jeepers-301972_4874094727022_676635696_n.jpg)
2010 Rubi
Dana 60's
Rock Krawler Long Travel Coilover
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 18, 2014, 11:33:03 AM
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Post by: dmanuel on March 18, 2014, 02:13:59 PM
Nice- is that Commando Green? Always cool to see another Commando running around! :D
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I think that's what they call it, all my friends and family just call it "Baby Poop Green" lol
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Post by: dmanuel on March 18, 2014, 02:45:18 PM
That's the same color I have. I wanted the Gecko Green but Dodge ran out of paint.
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Sorry, it's a Rescue Green. Couldn't remember the name of it for anything!
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Post by: ducttapetech on March 18, 2014, 03:23:23 PM
that's us mobile
Post by: Beerplumber on March 18, 2014, 08:20:04 PM
60 - 0 immediately...
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 18, 2014, 10:49:33 PM
http://www.allpar.com/SUVs/jeep/wrangler/2017.html
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Post by: derekmac on March 19, 2014, 12:03:17 AM
Post by: derekmac on March 21, 2014, 02:57:15 PM
Here's the skid:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/E4E26F63-89A3-4D68-8BC9-68CECD6B92E0_zpsqztqzqci.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/E4E26F63-89A3-4D68-8BC9-68CECD6B92E0_zpsqztqzqci.jpg.html)
Post by: Cupboard on March 22, 2014, 01:04:19 AM
If they're not you end up with a giant elastic band pinging a lump of steel that it's just ripped off your truck towards you at very high speed.
They have a place and used well are an extremely good tool but do slightly give me the heeby-jeebies.
Have a video of some idiots nearly killing themselves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8lMxYnGIrw
Around the 6 minute mark they were lucky the strop failed first :)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 22, 2014, 01:22:04 AM
Even so, it pays to stay the hell out of the way?
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Post by: Cupboard on March 22, 2014, 07:57:36 PM
And yes, winch blankets/similar are good things.
Post by: derekmac on March 22, 2014, 08:06:21 PM
On another note; I got my skid plate installed today, and also found a ton of rot underneath it when it was up on the hoist. There's too much to bother fixing it as the Jeep really isn't worth it. :(
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Post by: Higgins617 on March 22, 2014, 08:58:32 PM
Post by: derekmac on March 22, 2014, 09:18:40 PM
We have some decisions to make before then though. We have a pop up camper that weighs just under 3500 lbs, so if we're keeping that, we'll need to buy a 4 door JK, if we're going to rent cottages, then I'll get a good used 2 door JK, possibly a Rubicon.
The good thing is, we still have a good amount of time before we need to do anything. My Grand also (knock on wood) runs great, and doesn't need anything mechanical wise.
Now, I'm not going to beat the living piss out of it as I still need to drive it everyday, but I'm not going to worry about rocker/body damage at all now. As long as one back door will open, and the drivers door opens, I'm good. :D
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 22, 2014, 10:53:25 PM
I'd seriously consider buying new rather than used when it comes to a JK. They hold their value really well and you might find a used one and a new one only differ by a few thousand dollars.
I also wouldn't consider anything with a 3.8l engine, which means nothing older than '11. While there isn't really anything wrong with the 3.8l, the 3.6l has something like 65hp more than the 3.8l. That is a pile of extra thrust.
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Post by: derekmac on March 22, 2014, 10:59:49 PM
We'll most likely go with something a few years old. I honestly want to spend as little as possible on it. We'll see though, never know what we'll want 1.5 years from now.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 22, 2014, 11:28:58 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 24, 2014, 10:20:29 AM
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Post by: Higgins617 on March 24, 2014, 01:26:38 PM
Post by: derekmac on March 24, 2014, 02:35:02 PM
Post by: dks on March 24, 2014, 02:47:57 PM
Power is nice to have but the focus on higher power (torque and power are related ofcourse), especially with smaller turbodiesel engines means that it is difficult to go slowly as the torque is just not there so you either have to go faster or you stall the engine (e.g. many soft roaders). Most people see e.g. Baja racing and assume that you will be able to blast through everything, whereas I usually just crawl along slowly (I do not really want to break/crash my car) and I want to stop if I see something dangerous. Unless you are running on a rough road, with no obvious dangers (good vision) then slowly is the way to go.
Post by: Higgins617 on March 24, 2014, 02:51:37 PM
Also I never knew the 4.7 made 265hp. I always thought it was 235, I'm not complaining!
Post by: derekmac on March 24, 2014, 03:37:35 PM
The power curve I found for It seemed to be pretty consistent. It looked like it made around the same torque throughout with a little extra kick in the 2k range. I wish they didn't kill it off, definitely one of the best engines they ever offered.The 4.0 is a hell of a good engine, but I think they made a good decision going with a newer V6, especially the 3.6.
Also I never knew the 4.7 made 265hp. I always thought it was 235, I'm not complaining!
My 4.7 is 235, and they offered a HO version of it that made 265 I believe.
Post by: Higgins617 on March 24, 2014, 04:01:59 PM
I believe I have the HO 4.7. Which would make sense due to how heavy the truck is. I love it.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 24, 2014, 04:53:32 PM
Conversely the 3.6l runs on the highway much smoother but sits at higher RPM's no matter what. I rarely see it below 2,000 even at idle.
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Post by: ducttapetech on March 24, 2014, 05:40:42 PM
The 4.0l was a modernized version of the old 258.Yes it was. The old 258 was way easier to work on. You could pop the hood and actually see the engine.
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Post by: dmanuel on March 24, 2014, 05:44:08 PM
I think when the time comes, I'm going to try for a 2011 Rubicon. I want the Dana 44's and the lower gearing right off the bat. The lockers and electric disconnect are just an added bonus for me.
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Dunno what size tires you are planning to run or how extreme you are planning to go but I had to regear immediately on 35's and blew my lockers. The problem with the e-lockers is that once they go they can, and often do, get stuck in the locked position. My rear end did that to me in Moab and had to drive it back to Texas with it randomly locking and unlocking. I finally just opened it up and pulled out the locker assembly. The hotel I was staying at wasn't happy to see me doing that in their parking lot, but it made it a hell of a lot safer.
I hate e-lockers and won't be going back to them anytime soon.
Post by: Higgins617 on March 24, 2014, 06:05:38 PM
You confused me a bit, the lockers blew because of the regear? or just blew in general?I think when the time comes, I'm going to try for a 2011 Rubicon. I want the Dana 44's and the lower gearing right off the bat. The lockers and electric disconnect are just an added bonus for me.
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Dunno what size tires you are planning to run or how extreme you are planning to go but I had to regear immediately on 35's and blew my lockers. The problem with the e-lockers is that once they go they can, and often do, get stuck in the locked position. My rear end did that to me in Moab and had to drive it back to Texas with it randomly locking and unlocking. I finally just opened it up and pulled out the locker assembly. The hotel I was staying at wasn't happy to see me doing that in their parking lot, but it made it a hell of a lot safer.
I hate e-lockers and won't be going back to them anytime soon.
Post by: derekmac on March 24, 2014, 06:33:43 PM
If I get a 2 door, I won't be going bigger than 33's, and I'd probably also get 33's on a 4 door, but would prefer to have 35's to help compensate for the added length.I think when the time comes, I'm going to try for a 2011 Rubicon. I want the Dana 44's and the lower gearing right off the bat. The lockers and electric disconnect are just an added bonus for me.
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Dunno what size tires you are planning to run or how extreme you are planning to go but I had to regear immediately on 35's and blew my lockers. The problem with the e-lockers is that once they go they can, and often do, get stuck in the locked position. My rear end did that to me in Moab and had to drive it back to Texas with it randomly locking and unlocking. I finally just opened it up and pulled out the locker assembly. The hotel I was staying at wasn't happy to see me doing that in their parking lot, but it made it a hell of a lot safer.
I hate e-lockers and won't be going back to them anytime soon.
It won't be an extreme rig at all, and I won't be doing any extreme wheeling. Most trails I can do in my Grand with only 31's and a 2" lift, so for a Wrangler I'd be thinking 33's and at max, probably a 2.5" lift, maybe less if I also do a 1" body lift.
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Post by: dmanuel on March 25, 2014, 12:51:24 AM
You confused me a bit, the lockers blew because of the regear? or just blew in general?
Sorry about that. The locker assembly uses a tiny little piece of steel to hold it all together and that finally broke off causing some serious problems. Had nothing to do with the regear. I should have started a new paragraph. Blown locker is the whole reason I decided to go to D60's. Those things are expensive to replace!
For 35's you will definitely want to regear the Rubi if you are going to an Automatic.
If I get a 2 door, I won't be going bigger than 33's, and I'd probably also get 33's on a 4 door, but would prefer to have 35's to help compensate for the added length.
It won't be an extreme rig at all, and I won't be doing any extreme wheeling. Most trails I can do in my Grand with only 31's and a 2" lift, so for a Wrangler I'd be thinking 33's and at max, probably a 2.5" lift, maybe less if I also do a 1" body lift.
I ran 35's for a long time on a 2.5" lift and flat fenders. Gonna rub at full flex but that was the only time I rubbed. Heck, I run a 4.5" lift on 37's now and absolutely no rubbing at any point.
You can fit 33's without a lift on a JK.
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Post by: Higgins617 on March 25, 2014, 12:56:32 AM
Post by: dmanuel on March 25, 2014, 04:14:06 AM
Thanks for the clarification buddy :salute:, sorry you had such bad luck with them I doubt the 60s will give you problems :D
Lol sure hope not! This time I went with ARB air lockers, now if they won't unlock all I have to do is pull the air hose and continue on my merry way.
Post by: derekmac on March 25, 2014, 11:53:47 AM
On another note, man 4 door Rubicons are expensive!!!!! I think we might end up going to a 2 door. We're having a hard time trying to decide what we want to do though. Both of us are thinking that a 2 door is really all we need, which I'm fine with. Actually kind of prefer the thoughts of a 2 door. It'll add a little suckage with getting the kids in and out of the back, but they'll only be in it twice a week when I pick them up, and on weekends when we all go wheeling.
I'm also starting to do lots of research, and going through tons of build threads. I want to know the JK inside and out before I get one. :D
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 25, 2014, 12:03:38 PM
As for "accidentally" saving yourself from a new truck, from what I have seen it's only a matter of time before someone else writes your truck off for you! ::)
A few weeks ago I was in a parking lot, stopped and waiting for a guy a few cars ahead of me to pull out. As I was sitting there a woman decided to back out of her space, and since she was coming right at me I hit the horn. She kept coming so I laid on the horn. She finally stopped after hitting me. ::)
Luckily she only caught the tire that I had turned into her to keep her from hitting my fender, so there was no damage on either vehicle. I wanted to explain to her that the manufacturer of her decrepit old van put a large piece of glass on the back of it for a reason, but I had limited time for lunch. Hopefully she learned her lesson.
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Post by: Cupboard on March 25, 2014, 10:54:08 PM
The first thing I do if I'm manoeuvring and I hear a horn is slam the brakes on.
Prior to that I try and look where I'm going.
Post by: derekmac on March 25, 2014, 11:23:56 PM
We really do have a ton of bad drivers in this province.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 29, 2014, 02:09:48 AM
They have come in handy a few times at work and (unofficially) on the highway a few times though. >:D
Driving out to the airport one night when no one else was on the road I flipped them on and lit up the trees on both sides of the highway. That can be really handy to spot deer well before they come through my windshield.
Oh, and thanks to an app thing on FB I found out that my JK was number 920,202 in production. :D
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Post by: derekmac on March 30, 2014, 12:43:47 AM
I also no longer have any drive line vibrations! :tu:
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 30, 2014, 01:40:11 AM
I changed my nasty rear u-joint at the axle today. Two of the caps didn't even have any needle bearings left in them, and zero grease! With the insane amount of rust on the clips and the body of the u-joint, I'm guessing this one has been on there for a looooong time!
I also no longer have any drive line vibrations! :tu:
Too bad you are only finding out about these problems now- a friend of mine recently sold his '99 Grand that you could have probably gotten cheap and used for parts.
I wish they would bring back the CJ7.
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As cool as that would be, it would never pass EPA or safety regulations! :ahhh
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Post by: bmot on March 30, 2014, 05:50:55 AM
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External Party Aftermath?
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Post by: derekmac on April 17, 2014, 12:47:40 PM
I need to get the front right coil spring perch welded on the weekend. Here's hoping the spring doesn't fly out on the way to the shop!!
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Post by: derekmac on April 18, 2014, 03:14:01 PM
That's not as funny at the moment as it should be- I lost my bug deflector on the highway yesterday! :ahhhAh man, that really sucks!!
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 18, 2014, 06:31:41 PM
Oh well I have a new, cheaper, aftermarket one on order.
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Post by: derekmac on April 19, 2014, 01:05:24 AM
Renfrew (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NbKm_ZHIHI#ws)
Post by: derekmac on April 21, 2014, 08:55:16 PM
It wasn't easy using my phone to try and take the night comparison pics. Both my stock, and the LED bar are quite a bit brighter in person.
Here just my low beams.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140420_008_zpsf8f3a040.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140420_008_zpsf8f3a040.jpg.html)
Low and light bar.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140420_009_zps38de12d0.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140420_009_zps38de12d0.jpg.html)
High beams.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140420_010_zps5b4f5087.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140420_010_zps5b4f5087.jpg.html)
High and light bar.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140420_011_zps795a0a4f.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140420_011_zps795a0a4f.jpg.html)
I mounted it back from the windshield so I wouldn't get any glare from the light.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140420_012_zps606316e1.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140420_012_zps606316e1.jpg.html)
Only a little light spills onto the hood, but I can't see it while sitting in the Jeep.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140420_013_zps5fadcb64.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140420_013_zps5fadcb64.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/64905F7F-AA7D-4008-AC0A-7114D4257E8F_zps8xwbewm5.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/64905F7F-AA7D-4008-AC0A-7114D4257E8F_zps8xwbewm5.jpg.html)
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I still need to trim the mounting bolts as they stick down kind of far.
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I think I'm going to use Loctite on all the bolts to help it from walking away.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 22, 2014, 12:32:09 AM
The LED lights I have reflect too much on the hood, so it's good that you mounted it a bit further back so you don't get the glare.
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(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/temporary_zps53682874.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/temporary_zps53682874.jpg.html)
In case you're wondering, the black part is Wing-walk paint.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Heli%20Pics/IMG_20120421_143343_zps8fd5ef7d.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Heli%20Pics/IMG_20120421_143343_zps8fd5ef7d.jpg.html)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 08, 2014, 03:10:01 AM
I have been thinking of blacking out the Jeep logo on my grill.
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Post by: derekmac on May 08, 2014, 01:15:18 PM
I think it would look great blacked out!
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 08, 2014, 01:22:38 PM
Thanks!! I've been wanting to do this for a while now, but wasn't sure if I liked the ones I had seen. I'm pretty happy with how it looks though. :tu: I've also been thinking about debadging the hood, and continuing the black strip down to the edge.The entire hood or just bringing the strip to the front? Cause painting the entire hood in a very dull black is nice, no glair or shine to hurt the eyes while driving, looks good too! JR
I think it would look great blacked out!
Post by: derekmac on May 08, 2014, 02:19:02 PM
Thanks JR!Thanks!! I've been wanting to do this for a while now, but wasn't sure if I liked the ones I had seen. I'm pretty happy with how it looks though. :tu: I've also been thinking about debadging the hood, and continuing the black strip down to the edge.The entire hood or just bringing the strip to the front? Cause painting the entire hood in a very dull black is nice, no glair or shine to hurt the eyes while driving, looks good too! JR
I think it would look great blacked out!
I think just the strip, though I have considered doing the whole hood as I like the way they look done like that.
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Post by: Beerplumber on May 08, 2014, 07:39:13 PM
I've been on the trail twice since my recent repairs/mods. Detroit True-track in the front is my new best friend. Really feel the front end pulling now. Way easier to pop out of ruts and flex across washouts. Debating getting a snorkel now. I don't really want one as it gives you the excuse to go deeper and I'd rather just stay the heck out of damaging water holes anyways but hydro locking an engine is not so much a time either. You know that feeling when your front passenger wheel drops out of sight unexpectedly. Really I was saving coin for a front bumper. My factory one has taken more than its fair share of abuse and is by no means attractive since I sawzalled it into a stubby lol! Oh I recently wielded on EVO skids under the rear shock/LCA mounts. Passenger side was already nicely trail massaged. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/09/badune5u.jpg)
60 - 0 immediately...
Post by: derekmac on May 08, 2014, 07:47:59 PM
Hey guys! I need some of that wing walk paint for my rock rails/steps. I only had to wipe out getting in once to realize I need to add some grip lol! My better half got a chuckle out of seeing me spread eagle hanging out of my jeep on a frosty morning.Sorry, but:
:worthless:
:rofl:
If you were local, I'd give ya a can.
A buddy bought and installed a snorkel on his JK that he bought from ebay. I think it was under $150 shipped, and it actually looks a good quality product.
Post by: Beerplumber on May 09, 2014, 09:24:54 PM
60 - 0 immediately...
Post by: derekmac on May 09, 2014, 10:56:20 PM
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140509_17_35_04_Pro_zps3c7d3ac8.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140509_17_35_04_Pro_zps3c7d3ac8.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140509_17_34_55_Pro_zps9ae6783e.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140509_17_34_55_Pro_zps9ae6783e.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140509_17_34_46_Pro_zps632cbb94.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140509_17_34_46_Pro_zps632cbb94.jpg.html)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 09, 2014, 11:24:20 PM
You seem like you are buying a black paint job on an installment plan!
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 10, 2014, 12:53:37 AM
With a fully stocked shop, two or three mechanics and $6k worth of parts they really made it into a nice rig. Admittedly they didn't have to deal with rust or paint issues like I will with mine, but it does kind of make me feel like what I want to do with my TJ is quite realistic, even on my budget.
Also, I got a line on another set of brand new stock wheels and tires for my JK so I am thinking I am going to go back to stock on it and put this set of Pro Comps I have on my TJ instead. Since the JKU is my daily driver the rough ride, road noise and decreased fuel economy is really bugging the crap out of me.
The new stock set of wheels and tires were on a JK when the son of one of my clients bought it and were used long enough for him to get home from the dealership where it was jacked up, the wheels pulled off it and chunky off road set was put on. So these are completely brand new (less than 50kms) for $600. I can't pass up a deal like that.
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Post by: derekmac on May 10, 2014, 01:10:52 AM
Jesus, that's a steal for those tires! Even though the ones you have look awesome on your JKU, like you said, the noise and decreased mileage does suck.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 10, 2014, 12:18:21 PM
Still, they will continue to look awesome on my TJ, so it's not like I am really losing anything. I still plan to replace the rims/tires on the JK with something similar to what's on there now, but not as bad. I'll see if there's a BF Goodrich A/T or something available in that size. In the meantime I have no idea what I am getting- which wheel/tire combination it is. I'm kind of hoping Rubicon, but for $600 I'll take it no matter what, even though I don't much care for the 5 spokes. Of course I didn't like the Gambler rims when I got them for my TJ either, and now they have kind of grown on me.
In case you don't know what I am talking about, here are some pics:
TJ Gambler Rims:
(http://colorado4wheel.com/images/jeepwheels/TJ/gambler.jpg)
JK Rubicon Rims:
(http://image.trucktrend.com/f/roadtests/suv/163_2013_jeep_wrangler_rubicon_10th_anniversary_first_look/42010723/2013-Jeep-Wrangler-Rubicon-wheels.jpg)
JK 5 Spoke Rims:
(http://www.pbase.com/esquire/image/108120514.jpg)
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Post by: edcgear on May 10, 2014, 03:32:28 PM
Something like this...
(http://www.bestcars.com.ua/images/cars/5d16bac34e260fdd91b1c157f5b22a56.jpg)
Guy is selling it. Asking 1.500eur for it, though IMHO 1.000eur is also bit too much... But again IMHO he'd take 1.000 even...
The Korando has 2,3liters diesel engine, and it is 1993 (or 94) model. Two seats (only) without rear bench, soft top, leather electrically driven front seats. Constant 4x4, and no reduction. Looks pretty mean, but need some TLC. Has been sitting since 2012.
For what it looks like it would need some additional 1.000eur investment (Soft top, bearings, battery, checking of other stuff, converting it to pickup - substentionaly less registration, etc.)
If I only have 1.000eur + it would make great weekend project and fun driving!!
:cheers: :cheers:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 10, 2014, 04:19:36 PM
It looks pretty cool actually. For a thousand Euros it would be a very cool project.
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Post by: edcgear on May 10, 2014, 04:25:27 PM
Wasn't the Korando made by (or marketed under) Daewoo?
It looks pretty cool actually. For a thousand Euros it would be a very cool project.
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AFAIK no... They are separate producers... Daewoo eventually has been bought by Chevrolet (again AFAIK)...
Yup... Cool project!! It would end up as one bad ass off roader and fun to drive daily especially in summer... Top off and, sunglasses, wind... And multi tools in trunk! :D :D 8) 8)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 10, 2014, 04:52:04 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SsangYong_Korando
Cruising with the top and doors off is an experience that can not be undervalued.
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Post by: edcgear on May 10, 2014, 05:15:54 PM
The second generation was apparently licensed to Daewoo:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SsangYong_Korando
Cruising with the top and doors off is an experience that can not be undervalued.
Def
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Post by: derekmac on May 11, 2014, 03:19:28 AM
We went on an awesome run today. Here are a few pics.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/ABB5C0D9-4EAB-4F9E-AE0B-BE1FB9E6AA9D_zpsuawvqx2c.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/ABB5C0D9-4EAB-4F9E-AE0B-BE1FB9E6AA9D_zpsuawvqx2c.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/22565629-6F50-433C-9173-96CB088F0336_zpscifgmgdy.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/22565629-6F50-433C-9173-96CB088F0336_zpscifgmgdy.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/7894A9B0-3D89-4794-A14A-F5EA075CF0CB_zps0az7apa8.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/7894A9B0-3D89-4794-A14A-F5EA075CF0CB_zps0az7apa8.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/WP_20140510_14_56_17_Pro_zps5a81e23d.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/WP_20140510_14_56_17_Pro_zps5a81e23d.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/WP_20140510_14_55_52_Pro_zpsa41bbbf9.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/WP_20140510_14_55_52_Pro_zpsa41bbbf9.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/WP_20140510_14_20_51_Pro_zpsca69ea6c.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/WP_20140510_14_20_51_Pro_zpsca69ea6c.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/WP_20140510_14_18_24_Pro_zpsaaea7a47.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/WP_20140510_14_18_24_Pro_zpsaaea7a47.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/WP_20140510_14_13_35_Pro_zpsf0c04a7b.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/WP_20140510_14_13_35_Pro_zpsf0c04a7b.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/WP_20140510_14_04_21_Pro_zps634d006f.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/WP_20140510_14_04_21_Pro_zps634d006f.jpg.html)
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Post by: dks on May 11, 2014, 12:50:03 PM
Wasn't the Korando made by (or marketed under) Daewoo?
It looks pretty cool actually. For a thousand Euros it would be a very cool project.
Def
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The original ones should have the Isuzu diesel, which was a pretty solid engine. There should be some with the later, better, 2.8 diesel too if I remember correctly. They were popular around 20 years ago but judging by the fact that I do not see any around I assume that their quality was not that great.
I think that the 1st generation was the one that was a Jeep clone.
Post by: Beerplumber on May 12, 2014, 08:38:34 PM
60 - 0 immediately...
Post by: derekmac on May 12, 2014, 08:46:19 PM
Well Derek I have a set of five spoked wheels I would gladly give to you. You just have too pick them up lol and drop off some wing walk lolYou're not that far away... Well, maybe you are. :)
60 - 0 immediately...
Now, how can I make this work?? :think: :think: :think: :D
Post by: Beerplumber on May 24, 2014, 06:51:14 AM
Less talk, more BRAAAP.
Post by: derekmac on June 03, 2014, 12:20:29 AM
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4401_zps23c91c5e.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4401_zps23c91c5e.jpg.html)
A couple of long abandoned places in the woods. The A Frame looks like it would have been a really nice place back in the day.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4417_zps73c698a7.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4417_zps73c698a7.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4421_zps8befa904.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4421_zps8befa904.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4425_zps75dbb3d3.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4425_zps75dbb3d3.jpg.html)
The spot we had just gone through is usually a muddy nightmare, but it was pretty tame this time through.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4435_zps09487867.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4435_zps09487867.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4436_zps067782e3.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4436_zps067782e3.jpg.html)
I believe these are bits of the gold mines that used to be back here.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4453_zpsa88980ef.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4453_zpsa88980ef.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4454_zps264b0b3c.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4454_zps264b0b3c.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4455_zps2feef729.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4455_zps2feef729.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4456_zps253726a9.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4456_zps253726a9.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4457_zps13e81dd4.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4457_zps13e81dd4.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4458_zps8fdc9fc2.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4458_zps8fdc9fc2.jpg.html)
And of course, some poser pics. :D
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4460_zpsa1799e4c.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4460_zpsa1799e4c.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4461_zps275de6c7.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4461_zps275de6c7.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4462_zps58da764f.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4462_zps58da764f.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4463_zpscbbdc5b4.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4463_zpscbbdc5b4.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4466_zpsbe2a62d5.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4466_zpsbe2a62d5.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4467_zps390dd059.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Renfrew%2001%20June%2014/_DSC4467_zps390dd059.jpg.html)
Post by: derekmac on June 04, 2014, 05:35:15 PM
Post by: Whoey on June 04, 2014, 05:58:54 PM
I got a little inspired watching a show called Fast & Loud today. It's one of those shows where the owner of a garage really screws someone on the price of a car then turns around and sells it for a lot more, sometimes after doing some work on it. Anyways, the idea on this one was that they took a guy's Jeep TJ (a 2006 model, the last year for the TJ) and build it up in 24 hours. It was a short time frame as the Jeep owner thought they were just doing a brake job on it.I had wondered if you caught that episode of Fast & Loud... Every time I watch it and Richard's buddy Dennis (co-owner of Collins Brothers Jeep where they got all that aftermarket kit to put on that build) is almost always wearing a Jeep related shirt. Looks like they have a lot of nice kit for a reasonable price, shame it's in Texas...
With a fully stocked shop, two or three mechanics and $6k worth of parts they really made it into a nice rig. Admittedly they didn't have to deal with rust or paint issues like I will with mine, but it does kind of make me feel like what I want to do with my TJ is quite realistic, even on my budget.
Also, I got a line on another set of brand new stock wheels and tires for my JK so I am thinking I am going to go back to stock on it and put this set of Pro Comps I have on my TJ instead. Since the JKU is my daily driver the rough ride, road noise and decreased fuel economy is really bugging the crap out of me.
The new stock set of wheels and tires were on a JK when the son of one of my clients bought it and were used long enough for him to get home from the dealership where it was jacked up, the wheels pulled off it and chunky off road set was put on. So these are completely brand new (less than 50kms) for $600. I can't pass up a deal like that.
Def
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 04, 2014, 08:17:49 PM
Def
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Post by: Whoey on June 04, 2014, 09:02:56 PM
Post by: derekmac on June 09, 2014, 01:20:35 AM
Right side done, left not.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140608_20_03_30_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140608_20_03_30_Pro.jpg.html)
Before.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140608_19_49_24_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140608_19_49_24_Pro.jpg.html)
After.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140608_19_56_58_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140608_19_56_58_Pro.jpg.html)
Some of my decals.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140608_19_49_44_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140608_19_49_44_Pro.jpg.html)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 09, 2014, 02:13:46 AM
I should probably wash and polish mine sometime, but the Rubber Ducky is just so convenient.
Def
Post by: derekmac on June 27, 2014, 01:29:51 AM
Front before, with cut lines drawn in:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140621_11_06_20_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140621_11_06_20_Pro.jpg.html)
Cuts made:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140621_11_26_20_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140621_11_26_20_Pro.jpg.html)
After bending:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140621_11_51_56_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140621_11_51_56_Pro.jpg.html)
After painting and sealing:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140626_19_02_09_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140626_19_02_09_Pro.jpg.html)
Back before:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140621_12_05_24_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140621_12_05_24_Pro.jpg.html)
After:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140621_13_08_59_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140621_13_08_59_Pro.jpg.html)
All sealed up:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140626_19_02_26_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140626_19_02_26_Pro.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140626_19_01_23_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140626_19_01_23_Pro.jpg.html)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 27, 2014, 03:22:53 AM
Def
Post by: derekmac on June 27, 2014, 12:52:06 PM
I can't wait to get the sliders on it though! As you can tell by looking at the rocker panel on the passenger side, I've slid on a few rocks already. I'm going to see buddy tomorrow morning so he can take measurements to price the job up. It's not going to be cheap, but it's needed, and I now plan on keeping this for probably another five years.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 27, 2014, 01:14:14 PM
Def
Post by: derekmac on June 27, 2014, 01:24:58 PM
Our car will be paid off in five years, so I'll get something then. If we wait, I'll also be able to get exactly what I want.
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Post by: Cupboard on June 28, 2014, 11:31:51 PM
#lol
Post by: derekmac on June 28, 2014, 11:52:23 PM
Post by: derekmac on July 06, 2014, 10:52:03 PM
Weee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU7Iu-31PTw#ws)
Post by: derekmac on July 29, 2014, 03:18:00 AM
Post by: derekmac on August 03, 2014, 11:25:34 PM
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah200/JeepGaragemahal/IMG_2043_zpscd7a3d8c.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/JeepGaragemahal/media/IMG_2043_zpscd7a3d8c.jpg.html)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 04, 2014, 12:57:16 AM
Def
Post by: derekmac on August 10, 2014, 02:06:47 AM
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140809_17_24_46_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140809_17_24_46_Pro.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140809_17_24_53_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140809_17_24_53_Pro.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140809_17_25_02_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140809_17_25_02_Pro.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140809_17_25_17_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140809_17_25_17_Pro.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140809_17_25_32_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140809_17_25_32_Pro.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140809_17_25_50_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140809_17_25_50_Pro.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140809_17_26_00_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140809_17_26_00_Pro.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140809_17_37_15_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140809_17_37_15_Pro.jpg.html)
Post by: zoidberg on August 10, 2014, 02:09:53 AM
Got the Jeep back from The Garagemahal, and I am super happy with it!!!!
That is so super sweet! :drool:
Post by: derekmac on August 10, 2014, 02:13:44 AM
Thanks, I think so too!! :cheers: Definitely better than this:Got the Jeep back from The Garagemahal, and I am super happy with it!!!!
That is so super sweet! :drool:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140621_11_06_37_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140621_11_06_37_Pro.jpg.html)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on August 10, 2014, 03:18:36 AM
Post by: derekmac on August 10, 2014, 03:20:25 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 10, 2014, 03:29:39 AM
Def
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on August 10, 2014, 03:30:14 AM
I could get bolt on ones for mine, but where the rockers were rusted all to hell, they needed to be replaced, so I figured might as well get proper sliders welded in.There mounted to the frame no? I can't make out the under half, but definetly better, you going to do something to match above the wheels? JR
Post by: derekmac on August 10, 2014, 03:46:38 AM
I will be fixing that nasty fender up, just need to find the time (and weather) to do it. I enjoy doing body work, so I'm kind of excited to get it done. I also have some paint at work that I'm waiting to go time expired, (military green) that I want to paint it with.
Post by: tattoosteve99 on August 10, 2014, 04:15:17 AM
Post by: MadPlumbarian on August 10, 2014, 04:16:24 AM
They're welded to the unibody. He completely cut out the old rockers and pinch seam, and welded in the 2x6" steel. No more thin sheet metal for me. :DAhh, so I guess that's solid! Did you use truck bed liner paint on the side to cover the Laredo? I think by covering that whole section including above the fenders would look nice, follow the line where grand Cherokee is, all the way from front to back with that bed liner, that would be nice! Oh and paint the rest all olive drab? JR
I will be fixing that nasty fender up, just need to find the time (and weather) to do it. I enjoy doing body work, so I'm kind of excited to get it done. I also have some paint at work that I'm waiting to go time expired, (military green) that I want to paint it with.
Post by: MadPlumbarian on August 10, 2014, 04:17:12 AM
Going to have to dig out my welder and repair the old rust bucket soon. It's getting bad but it's a jeep and worth the effort.Heck yeah! JR
Post by: derekmac on August 10, 2014, 04:18:51 AM
I couldn't agree more!!!! :DGoing to have to dig out my welder and repair the old rust bucket soon. It's getting bad but it's a jeep and worth the effort.Heck yeah! JR
Post by: derekmac on August 12, 2014, 01:40:34 AM
Loving those sliders! Pretty sweet!I'm super happy with them! Turned out better than I thought they would. :tu:
Def
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 12, 2014, 01:47:27 AM
Def
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Post by: derekmac on August 12, 2014, 02:13:45 AM
Does this mean the Grand will live? I seem to recall it's days were numbered.It better live now!! :ahhh We can't really afford another vehicle payment (kids are bloody expensive!), so we have a plan in place. In five years, we'll be in a good place financially, and I'll be able to get the Jeep that I want.
Def
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Mechanically, the Grand is in good shape, and should (fingers crossed) last five years. The major rust (aka rocker panels) has been cut out, and what was welded in should outlast the Jeep ten fold. I don't know if I'll do much more for upgrades to it or not. I would like to get a set of 32" tires for it, maybe 33's, but I'm not sure if they'll fit without more lift or not.
If it had of needed a bunch of mechanical repairs, along with the rockers, chances are I would have just drove it until next September when the safety is up, and figured something out then.
Post by: derekmac on September 07, 2014, 01:32:40 AM
I actually still need to zip tie the power wire in place and make it a little neater. Also, the fuse holder is only meant for 4 gauge wire, so I had to use my step drill bit to open the end up so I could get the wire though, and I needed to trim some of the wire so I could fit it into the connector.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140906_16_56_45_Pro.jpg)
Running through the biggest grommet in the firewall on the drivers side.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140906_16_56_52_Pro.jpg)
I used my step drill bit to drill a hole in the rear seat support.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140906_16_57_01_Pro.jpg)
The relay wired and installed.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140906_19_20_55_Pro.jpg)
Once my Viair kit and power distribution block arrives, I'll be able to finish the install.
Post by: derekmac on September 13, 2014, 09:15:47 PM
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140913_14_24_43_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140913_14_24_43_Pro.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140913_14_24_34_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/WP_20140913_14_24_34_Pro.jpg.html)
Post by: zoidberg on September 14, 2014, 12:42:59 AM
Post by: derekmac on September 14, 2014, 12:44:12 AM
I'm not 100% happy with how the wiring looks though, so might mess around with it a bit more.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 14, 2014, 12:58:32 AM
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Post by: derekmac on September 14, 2014, 01:04:15 AM
Looks pottery darned good to me. How loud is the compressor?It's very quiet, and I was quite impressed with just how quiet it was. The ones that plug into a cig lighter are WAY louder than this one.
Def
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 14, 2014, 02:06:34 AM
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Post by: ducttapetech on September 15, 2014, 02:51:32 PM
Nate
Post by: derekmac on September 15, 2014, 02:56:14 PM
That looks good!Thanks! The rest of the bits should be here tomorrow, so I'll be able to finish it all up.
Nate
Post by: derekmac on September 15, 2014, 02:57:08 PM
That's good. I was always worried about how loud a compressor was going to be in an enclosed space like the inside of a truck.I'll try and remember to take a video of it running and post it up.
Def
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Post by: derekmac on September 17, 2014, 10:10:58 PM
I also installed my aux backup lights. I need to get a relay and switch so I can get them wired up though.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/temporary-22.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/temporary-22.jpg.html)
Post by: dks on September 22, 2014, 02:21:49 PM
Looks like a 1990 mitsubishi pajero from the front and sides and a Nissan Quasqai (?) from the back.
Still, a different, new model.
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03045/Jeep_Renegade_revi_3045561b.jpg)
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03045/Jeep_Renegade_side_3045560a.jpg)
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03045/Jeep_Renegade_rear_3045562a.jpg)
Post by: Higgins617 on September 22, 2014, 03:02:12 PM
Post by: derekmac on September 22, 2014, 03:03:47 PM
Hey Derek, have you done anything to your motor or are you just running the 4.7 stock?Other than a K&N cone filter and custom heat shield enclosure, it's stock.
Post by: Higgins617 on September 22, 2014, 03:16:07 PM
Hey Derek, have you done anything to your motor or are you just running the 4.7 stock?Other than a K&N cone filter and custom heat shield enclosure, it's stock.
Is the cone filter just on the stock intake tubes? I'd like a little more kick out of mine, I figure letting her breathe certainly isn't a bad plan.
Post by: derekmac on September 22, 2014, 03:25:34 PM
Is the cone filter just on the stock intake tubes? I'd like a little more kick out of mine, I figure letting her breathe certainly isn't a bad plan.No, I used 3" ABS from the throttle body. I don't have any pics of the whole thing, but this shows the custom heat shield. This one is meant to be a prototype for me to make a better one, but knowing me, this will be on for a while!! :facepalm: The stock cool air pipe is plumbed in, and the filter and surrounding area do stay cool.
I did improve the fitment of the top cover some too since taking those pics.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140816_14_56_48_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140816_14_56_48_Pro.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140816_14_56_41_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140816_14_56_41_Pro.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140816_14_56_31_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140816_14_56_31_Pro.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/WP_20140816_14_56_25_Pro.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/WP_20140816_14_56_25_Pro.jpg.html)
Post by: derekmac on September 22, 2014, 03:52:25 PM
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Post by: Higgins617 on September 22, 2014, 04:18:34 PM
Post by: Whoey on December 05, 2014, 07:06:03 PM
http://devolro.com/
Post by: derekmac on December 13, 2014, 06:31:32 PM
I'm not sure if it's Windows Movie Maker, or Youtube, but the quality is better on my PC.
Dash Cam Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2_7Jhh7y90#ws)
Post by: derekmac on December 15, 2014, 12:27:51 PM
December Club Run Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp5jKJslH10#ws)
Post by: derekmac on December 16, 2014, 10:24:24 PM
December Club Run Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXbZo1fcxOU#ws)
Post by: derekmac on December 17, 2014, 01:31:37 AM
Backcountry December Club Run Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lqCRsGSLJE#ws)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 23, 2014, 06:34:05 PM
You going to post that pic I gave you for all your jeep buddy's for Xmas or what?
JR
Post by: derekmac on December 23, 2014, 06:53:29 PM
Hey Grant,:popcorn:
You going to post that pic I gave you for all your jeep buddy's for Xmas or what?
JR
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 23, 2014, 07:05:58 PM
Hey Grant,Stuck at work for the forseeable future. Why don't you post it for me? :D
You going to post that pic I gave you for all your jeep buddy's for Xmas or what?
JR
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 23, 2014, 07:51:18 PM
Ok ok, I fig you were going to ask, I'll be right back..Hey Grant,Stuck at work for the forseeable future. Why don't you post it for me? :D
You going to post that pic I gave you for all your jeep buddy's for Xmas or what?
JR
Def
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JR
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 23, 2014, 08:04:45 PM
Ho Ho Ho
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/mrssabrina/5b5022c45d379456bff6b02286318406_zpsafb60da1.jpg)
JR
Post by: derekmac on December 23, 2014, 08:07:18 PM
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-cvl7VoImUOI/VJRfDStWTYI/AAAAAAAAZSw/McgqyCn4w2g/w640-h400-p-k/rudolph.jpg)
Post by: Whoey on December 24, 2014, 01:17:11 PM
That reminds me of this one.said no Jeep owner ever... :facepalm:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-cvl7VoImUOI/VJRfDStWTYI/AAAAAAAAZSw/McgqyCn4w2g/w640-h400-p-k/rudolph.jpg)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 25, 2014, 02:31:37 AM
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Post by: thebullfrog on January 04, 2015, 06:13:43 AM
If I do keep it I was thinking 2" budget boost lift, slightly taller A/Ts, and use it as a moderate trail rig/ daily driver. I've tried getting it stuck a few times, but even with balding Soccer Mom tires the smurfing thing drives right through anything I can throw at it.
Post by: Higgins617 on January 04, 2015, 06:29:50 AM
I traded that overgrown Dodge in my avatar for a '97 Grand Cherokee, so I suppose I'm a Jeeper now. Can't decide if I'm going to do anything with it or not. It's at 221,000 miles, and some rust aside it's really in great shape considering (engine was swapped 100k ago) but the trans is on it's way out and don't know if I like the thing enough to dump the money into.
If I do keep it I was thinking 2" budget boost lift, slightly taller A/Ts, and use it as a moderate trail rig/ daily driver. I've tried getting it stuck a few times, but even with balding Soccer Mom tires the smurfing thing drives right through anything I can throw at it.
Is it the Inline 6 or the V8? At least you're keeping it in the MOPAR family!
Post by: thebullfrog on January 04, 2015, 06:51:38 AM
Post by: Higgins617 on January 04, 2015, 07:05:01 AM
the straight 6. There are days I really wish it was the 318, but that AMC 4.0 is just so durable. Wish the Chrysler trans bolted onto it was as dependable.
Mine blew out around 60k >:(, but the baby hemi in front of it is just too much fun. Glad you're liking the 4.0 so far though!
Post by: kmanct3 on January 04, 2015, 04:04:15 PM
Post by: derekmac on January 04, 2015, 07:21:45 PM
Post by: derekmac on January 07, 2015, 12:45:10 AM
I looked underneath, didn't see any dripping fluid, check the dipstick, and the level was ok. I had to wait about 15 min before it would move again, and I just crawled (literally, and in 4 low) to the off ramp, and let it cool down again. I did make it to work though.
I did some research, and there's a sensor (stupid computerized transmissions :rant: ) that can cause the problems I was having, and a common cause is moisture in the connector.
It drove home much better than it drove in, no slipping, but it was jerky. I pulled it into the garage, jacked it up, cleaned an inch or so of mud and crud off the bottom :whistle: and pulled the sensor. There was moisture in the connector, so that could be the cause of the problem.
No, the bad news. I sucked as much trans fluid out of the dipstick tube as I could, and it was dark brown, and STUNK!!! I'm really hoping that the clutches didn't get fried! :facepalm:
I'm going to replace the sensor as the gasket was a little wonky, and I'm going to get it towed to a garage to get the trans flushed, and get the filters changed. Fingers crossed that it will be OK after that, as I really don't want to get a new transmission, and have this one rebuilt.
Post by: derekmac on January 07, 2015, 01:07:18 AM
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Post by: zoidberg on January 07, 2015, 03:55:15 AM
Post by: derekmac on January 18, 2015, 05:07:53 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 18, 2015, 05:18:45 PM
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Post by: derekmac on January 18, 2015, 05:45:24 PM
Ouch. Rebuilding the transmission is going to run you about $1500. That sucks.Or more, as it's a computerized transmission. :rant: Of course it happens as I start thinking about getting a Wrangler again. Can't sell it as is, and will have too much into it after fixing it to be worth selling it.
Def
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My wife is starting to do family tree research, so maybe she'll find a rich relative. :D
Post by: hugos on January 18, 2015, 06:29:21 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 19, 2015, 03:37:12 AM
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Post by: derekmac on January 19, 2015, 11:27:00 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 19, 2015, 02:46:13 PM
Just Empty Every Pocket indeed.
Def
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Post by: derekmac on January 19, 2015, 02:52:17 PM
If it's not in your line of sight, you might be better off leaving it until it comes time for a new safety.
Post by: dks on January 20, 2015, 08:27:34 AM
If it is a small crack you may be able to repair it yourself. There are some special kits.
From your description it seems that the glass used in newer Jeeps is weaker/thinner or maybe safer=less damage to you if you go through it....
Post by: derekmac on January 21, 2015, 12:31:52 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 21, 2015, 03:26:09 PM
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Post by: derekmac on January 21, 2015, 03:33:24 PM
Sweet! Take what you can get! I hope the price isn't too painful.Not painful at all. $500 :D
Def
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Post by: Higgins617 on January 21, 2015, 04:19:40 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 21, 2015, 04:54:31 PM
Sweet! Take what you can get! I hope the price isn't too painful.Not painful at all. $500 :D
Def
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Nice! You'd pay that (and more!) for seats alone!
Def
Post by: derekmac on January 21, 2015, 05:18:35 PM
Post by: Whoey on January 22, 2015, 03:09:18 AM
:facepalm:
Post by: derekmac on January 22, 2015, 12:31:29 PM
http://io9.com/yet-another-reason-to-pay-attention-during-physics-clas-1681011174I saw that on FB. :facepalm:
:facepalm:
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 22, 2015, 01:43:22 PM
JR
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/mrssabrina/74db47d25f553f4908273f5edd32f6da_zpsa316fb40.jpg)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 22, 2015, 02:05:43 PM
Def
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 22, 2015, 05:48:08 PM
That would have been one hell of a cool family car!Oh it was, perfect seating for "only" four, plenty of room for shopping, heck if something broke down all you needed was a screwdriver or pliers to get it going..
Def
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JR
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 26, 2015, 02:07:11 AM
JR
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/mrssabrina/edffaa8d3262744492878090d1802f40_zps77655f8a.jpg)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 26, 2015, 03:50:24 AM
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Post by: Cupboard on January 30, 2015, 06:20:42 PM
Sweet! Take what you can get! I hope the price isn't too painful.Not painful at all. $500 :D
Def
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Nice! You'd pay that (and more!) for seats alone!
Def
derekmac: what sort of transmission do you have? Is it a double clutch auto or something?
I'm just amazed you managed to kill one and it's a whole transmission, torque converter autos are usually pretty forgiving and manuals it's simple to change the clutch without having to touch the gearbox.
Do you do much towing?
If it's any consolation, my Defender has what is knows as the "death rattle" where the clutch springs break.
Post by: derekmac on January 30, 2015, 07:35:26 PM
It's not really the whole transmission gone, but a valve body inside. When that went though, it caused it to slip really bad, and there was a ton of clutch material when I dropped the pan.
I'm getting the parts Jeep today, as it's cheaper than a rebuild. If it still doesn't work right after getting that trans swapped into mine, I'll still be able to sell parts off if it to recoup what I paid for it.
Post by: Higgins617 on January 30, 2015, 08:08:28 PM
It's just a regular auto, that's controlled by the computer. Chrysler has a history of having transmission problems though.
It's not really the whole transmission gone, but a valve body inside. When that went though, it caused it to slip really bad, and there was a ton of clutch material when I dropped the pan.
I'm getting the parts Jeep today, as it's cheaper than a rebuild. If it still doesn't work right after getting that trans swapped into mine, I'll still be able to sell parts off if it to recoup what I paid for it.
Honestly that sounds exactly like what happened to mine,they said when they pulled it out the case was full of metal shavings and bits and pieces :facepalm:
When they finished they forgot to reset the computer so the truck drove itself at 20mph up hill with no throttle input....
Post by: Cupboard on January 31, 2015, 03:10:45 PM
Well I'm glad you've managed to get the parts Jeep and best wishes for the end result :tu:
Post by: derekmac on January 31, 2015, 03:44:41 PM
The guy said the engine was seized, and I'm hoping not completly as it'll make getting all the torque converter bolts out interesting.
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Post by: derekmac on February 08, 2015, 12:14:53 AM
Today I swapped over a bunch of stuff from my parts Jeep though. None of these are essential items, but ones that I want in mine.
- Gauge Cluster (white gauges instead of black)
- Light Sensor (for auto headlights)
- Auto Headlight Stalk
- Overhead Console (has garage door buttons)
- Heated Seat Switches
- Auto dimming Rear View Mirror
Post by: derekmac on March 02, 2015, 10:02:10 PM
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/64FB68C1-0862-4BD3-B956-12C8C1DFB3B0.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/64FB68C1-0862-4BD3-B956-12C8C1DFB3B0.jpg.html)
I haven't swapped the transmission yet, but the one in the parts Jeep is just about ready to come out. With the great generosity here, I was able to get a new starter, and can drive it as is now. It's not perfect, but so far the trans is holding up.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 03, 2015, 02:39:38 AM
Def
Post by: derekmac on March 03, 2015, 03:06:10 AM
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Post by: Syncop8r on April 11, 2015, 11:52:03 PM
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/national/man-who-destroyed-jeep-makes-tongue-in-cheek-apology/story-fnii5v6y-1227299144701?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=PerthNow&utm_medium=Facebook
Post by: derekmac on April 16, 2015, 07:39:46 PM
I bought a set of Rough Country 2.5" JK lift springs for a whopping total of $20 to try out. Now, it is not really documented at all of guys doing this with Grands, so I'm one of few that has tried it.
I put the back springs in, on top of my 2" spacers, but had to discard the lower spring isolator as the coil was tighter, and wouldn't fit over it. Here's a before/after pic.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/411FBC93-4356-4651-873B-3185E4F14584.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/411FBC93-4356-4651-873B-3185E4F14584.jpg.html)
It gave me a decent lift, and I'm now sitting about 3" higher over stock, which is as high as I can go without needing to change out other parts.
I'm going to tackle the front this weekend hopefully, and I hope to gain a couple of inches up there too. :)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 17, 2015, 12:02:26 AM
You know why the old hot rods were lower in the front than in the back right? Because you always go faster when you are going downhill! :D
Def
Post by: derekmac on April 17, 2015, 12:52:35 AM
(http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/attachments/f59/134497d1279689984-yellow-wj-zj-request-060206jeep-20yelllow.jpg)
Post by: derekmac on April 17, 2015, 12:54:14 AM
(http://st.gdefon.com/wallpapers_original/wallpapers/251924_ch-149_-cormorant_-vertolyot_-polyot_-lopasti_1800x1199_%28www.GdeFon.ru%29.jpg)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 17, 2015, 04:07:02 AM
Def
Post by: dks on April 17, 2015, 07:14:51 AM
Post by: derekmac on April 17, 2015, 11:51:43 AM
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Post by: derekmac on April 20, 2015, 12:54:19 PM
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Pipeline%2019-Apr-15/A5A1ECA7-6BBB-43D8-BE17-1FF537D0D04D.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Pipeline%2019-Apr-15/A5A1ECA7-6BBB-43D8-BE17-1FF537D0D04D.jpg.html)
The Nissan didn't make it either though. :D
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Pipeline%2019-Apr-15/0B776163-25F4-4A89-BA48-0B487CB00B0E.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Pipeline%2019-Apr-15/0B776163-25F4-4A89-BA48-0B487CB00B0E.jpg.html)
Post by: dks on April 20, 2015, 12:59:26 PM
:P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 20, 2015, 05:14:45 PM
Def
Post by: derekmac on April 20, 2015, 05:19:34 PM
This is why you need a good stinger on the front!Oh man, how I'd love to have one!! I'd have to sell the Jeep to afford one though, and then I'd be up the creek. :rofl:
Def
Post by: Aloha on April 20, 2015, 05:24:17 PM
Post by: derekmac on April 20, 2015, 05:25:29 PM
and that was just the morning commute?Life in Canada, eh! ;)
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Post by: SAK Guy on April 20, 2015, 06:05:52 PM
well, if the Nissan could not make it......
:P
(https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.%2b%2bZTG3IRthToPKPc1xmdKQ&pid=15.1&P=0)
BTW, My goat.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 20, 2015, 06:16:59 PM
I was drooling over one of those a few weeks ago.
Def
Post by: derekmac on April 20, 2015, 06:28:07 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on April 20, 2015, 06:46:22 PM
Post by: derekmac on April 20, 2015, 06:55:04 PM
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Post by: SAK Guy on April 20, 2015, 07:33:21 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 20, 2015, 09:45:44 PM
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Post by: derekmac on May 04, 2015, 05:28:34 PM
We left our house at 0745 Saturday, and got home 0130 on Sunday. It was around 1.5 hours each way to the trail, and the rest was spent on it. That's what happens when you put around 50 rigs on a trail this time of year. I do feel a bit bad for the stock rigs that came, and the inexperienced wheelers.
There wasn't much carnage though. A Chev Avalanche buster a tie rod end, a JK busted a tail light, and a Grand Cherokee popped a bead, but was able to get it reseated.
http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/library/Offroading/Carma%20Run
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 04, 2015, 11:15:03 PM
Good cause though! I'm sure our own Catman would be proud!
Def
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 06, 2015, 12:55:55 AM
JR
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 06, 2015, 03:11:33 AM
What kind of Jeep was it?
Def
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 06, 2015, 05:15:25 AM
That's awesome!Just a liberty,
What kind of Jeep was it?
Def
JR
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 06, 2015, 11:04:34 AM
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 06, 2015, 01:10:40 PM
Nothing wrong with a Liberty. I have seen them take some nasty trails and be beefed up as well as any Wrangler. :DIt was ok, but the roof was very low! I kept thinking if he hit a good pothole I'd probibly hit my head..
Def
JR
Post by: derekmac on June 12, 2015, 02:08:35 AM
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/C61EAB13-4545-4198-9753-533585E8175F.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/C61EAB13-4545-4198-9753-533585E8175F.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/8FBEFB23-4DB9-4798-8055-6DB201D555CF.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Work%20on%20Jeep/8FBEFB23-4DB9-4798-8055-6DB201D555CF.jpg.html)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 13, 2015, 03:20:24 PM
I was watching Jeep videos on Youtube the other day and Teraflex posted a video on Jeeping in Quebec and I was thinking about you while watching it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbjkCg44uZk
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Post by: campussecurity on August 26, 2015, 11:51:52 PM
2008 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4X4. >:D
Post by: Thisjk38 on October 10, 2015, 01:41:06 PM
I also recently completed a two week 4k mile road trip out to Southern Colorado, then to the Rocky Mountains, and finished my trail runs in Moab Utah. I earned 4 Jeep Badge of Honor badges well on this trip. Here are 4 of my favorite photos from the trip well on the trails, and how I cooked my meals. For a good part of the trip I camped in my jeep quite comfortably. Hope all your rigs are running well.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 10, 2015, 07:04:35 PM
There's a thread around here somewhere detailing the various things I have done to my JKU.
Good to see you back!
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Post by: zoidberg on October 21, 2015, 09:24:01 AM
So I've been gone for a while but I am glad this thread is still going strong! In my time away, I made some changes to my JK. Quite a few minor mods for my own comfort, but the main ones were a Engo Winch, 3.5 Metalcloak lift, and 35" Falken Wildpeak a/t tires. I love and highly recommend both the lift and tires (Luckily I haven't used the winch).
I also recently completed a two week 4k mile road trip out to Southern Colorado, then to the Rocky Mountains, and finished my trail runs in Moab Utah. I earned 4 Jeep Badge of Honor badges well on this trip. Here are 4 of my favorite photos from the trip well on the trails, and how I cooked my meals. For a good part of the trip I camped in my jeep quite comfortably. Hope all your rigs are running well.
Great pics mate. :tu:
Post by: derekmac on January 15, 2016, 03:26:13 PM
Just about everything in the Jeep is controlled through the CANBUS, and using my Bluetooth ELM327 device, and an app called Car Bus Interface, my tablet is able to receive everything the Jeep is doing. The app is setup so that the steering wheel stereo buttons control the music player on the tablet. I can adjust the volume, and change tracks, which I think is pretty damn cool! :tu:
I'm also running Torque Pro, which monitors various sensors on the Jeep, and can read and reset fault codes. I also have offline topo maps, and offline GPS installed.
I made a holder for the tablet out of aircraft aluminum. I've shaken it very hard with the tablet in it, and it didn't budge, so it should survive off-roading.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 15, 2016, 03:32:25 PM
I was planning to do something very similar to that with my TJ, but I also want to incorporate a special piece of equipment my brother sent me at Christmas last year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJcSu265p5g
After all, this is the stuff an astromech is supposed to do.... system monitoring, navigation...
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Post by: derekmac on January 15, 2016, 03:36:18 PM
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When measuring for the new bumpstops, I noticed that when the tire started to stuff, it was rubbing hard against the shock body. :facepalm: So that led to getting these:
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They clear now. :tu:
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Post by: derekmac on January 15, 2016, 03:37:54 PM
That is very cool!That thing is AWESOME!!! :gimme:
I was planning to do something very similar to that with my TJ, but I also want to incorporate a special piece of equipment my brother sent me at Christmas last year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJcSu265p5g
After all, this is the stuff an astromech is supposed to do.... system monitoring, navigation...
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 15, 2016, 04:51:35 PM
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Post by: derekmac on January 15, 2016, 05:05:29 PM
How big are those spacers? A friend of mine just put some on his Grand too as his was also rubbing a bit. He has the newer body style than yours (I think his is an '08?) with a 2" lift.1.5" Spidertrax spacers. Found them on kijiji for a good deal.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 15, 2016, 05:31:13 PM
Kiss any kind of fuel economy goodbye!
I have offset rims on mine, but as I got them second hand I don't know how much the offset is. I do know that I am running tires two inches wider than stock and have never had any rub issues, which is pretty much all I need to know.
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Post by: derekmac on January 15, 2016, 05:35:42 PM
LOL, I kissed mileage goodbye years ago!!! :D I average 17-20 L/100km. Good thing I don't drive far!! :rofl:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 15, 2016, 05:41:41 PM
My mileage jumped from 11-13L/100km on average to 15-16 with the bigger tires.
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Post by: derekmac on February 23, 2016, 02:16:35 AM
So, the build plans.... Nothing major on this one. 2" lift, and maybe a 1" body lift, and later down the road, a tummy tuck. Also no bigger than 33" tires. Tires also won't come until new ones are needed. Right now it has 31" Toyo AT's that are still in very good shape.
I don't have much for pics now, but will try to grab more tomorrow.
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Post by: derekmac on February 28, 2016, 03:21:47 AM
I half arsed tried it out off-road today. By off-road, I mean the end of a road on a gravel turn around spot, lol. I just wanted to try using 4 low, and see how the 4:1 Rubi case was. Man, that thing is LOW!! I'm sure a half dead, half frozen slug could pass me when in 1st gear!! That also makes for very controlled driving though. I was going from the gravel, into the ditch and up the other side a little. The ditch was pretty slick, so I was also able to try the lockers out. Lockers are AWESOME!! When the tires would spin, and it wouldn't go any further, I would engage the rear locker. Climb a bit more, spin, engage the front locker. I really can't wait to take it on an actual run.
Post by: hugos on February 28, 2016, 08:41:16 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 28, 2016, 12:11:25 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 28, 2016, 12:21:04 PM
Well I have to say I'm loving the TJ so far. :D I'm super happy to be driving a standard again too! The major lack of room, and only being a two door has its downfalls, but it made me go through the gear I carry, and weed out the crap that I don't need. I had to sell my nice Viair 2 gallon OBA system though, as there was no place to mount it. :( I did pick up a pretty cool compressor that you set the PSI you want, and it shuts off automatically.
I half arsed tried it out off-road today. By off-road, I mean the end of a road on a gravel turn around spot, lol. I just wanted to try using 4 low, and see how the 4:1 Rubi case was. Man, that thing is LOW!! I'm sure a half dead, half frozen slug could pass me when in 1st gear!! That also makes for very controlled driving though. I was going from the gravel, into the ditch and up the other side a little. The ditch was pretty slick, so I was also able to try the lockers out. Lockers are AWESOME!! When the tires would spin, and it wouldn't go any further, I would engage the rear locker. Climb a bit more, spin, engage the front locker. I really can't wait to take it on an actual run.
Welcome to the top less club Derek!
I love my TJ. Jeff has been pushing to buy it from me and due to my move I may finally break down and sell it, although I really don't want to. It's so much fun to drive and just wait until you take the too and doors off. It simply can't be beat, whether you are on road or off. There will be few times in life that you will feel as connected to a machine as you will with the TJ. And, you will find if you ever come into the city that parking it is a breeze as it is tiny enough to fit in virtually any spot and manouverable enough to get in and out easily.
That having been said, you will find it really suffers on the highway and it is very loud, especially with the rag top. Make sure you have a Bluetooth headset or you will never be able to take calls in it. :-)
Ded
Post by: hugos on February 28, 2016, 05:32:48 PM
Nice looking rig there. I'm a '13 JKU Sahara in Commando Green. I wanted the Gecko originally but the factory called me and told me they ran out of paint and could I choose another color. I gave white some serious thought but in the end went Commando.Grant, the colour you have was my first choice, but the first models that came into South Africa were all white, and i wanted one really bad! So i had no choice. But yes a great rig! I enjoy mine every day, done 116 000km so far, with no issues. Will buy another one in a heartbeat.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 28, 2016, 06:08:03 PM
My JKU is my second Jeep- I have a 2000 TJ as well, and if I needed to replace either or both of them I'd get another one with no hesitation.
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Post by: derekmac on February 28, 2016, 06:32:35 PM
We just drove down to the Valley, and the drive wasn't too bad at all. We still have the hard top on though, so I know it'll be louder with the soft top. Can't wait to get the soft top on though!!
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Post by: derekmac on March 21, 2016, 02:07:17 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 21, 2016, 11:15:17 AM
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Post by: derekmac on March 21, 2016, 11:28:34 AM
It's so easy to maneuver around stuff! And being a standard, you just have to let the clutch out, and let it do its thing.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 21, 2016, 11:43:58 AM
I drove my TJ to Portland once, and I thought about moving there permanently, largely because I didn't want to have to drive it another ten hours to get home! :ahhh
Another time I had to drive to Cape Breton for a job. Thing is, the job was a half hour job and I drove three hours to get there, then three hours home. I can't tell you how exhausted I was after that! :ahhh
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Post by: derekmac on March 21, 2016, 01:53:36 PM
I kind of went the other way- from a short wheelbase, 5 speed TJ to a longer wheelbase automatic JK, and I tell you I would go back in a heartbeat for wheeling. Highways on the other hand are a different story! I like the increased comfort of the JK for day to day stuff. Just wait until you try to make a long trip in that sucker and you'll be wishing you had the Grand back! :ahhhI can imagine a long drive being tiring! I don't find the seats too bad though, and I do have the old cloth seats from the Grand that I can easily swap in if needed.
I drove my TJ to Portland once, and I thought about moving there permanently, largely because I didn't want to have to drive it another ten hours to get home! :ahhh
Another time I had to drive to Cape Breton for a job. Thing is, the job was a half hour job and I drove three hours to get there, then three hours home. I can't tell you how exhausted I was after that! :ahhh
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 21, 2016, 06:55:46 PM
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 01, 2016, 03:19:53 PM
.....but in the end went Commando.
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I go commando most days.
Really want a Jeep but I haul a lot of stuff so drive a truck. Someday I plan to get one and a trailer for stuff hauling.
The XJ in my forum name is from a 96 Cherokee I had some years ago. 5.5 inch RE lift and 33 inch Goodyear MTRs. Would climb a tree I bet.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 02, 2016, 09:21:33 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 17, 2016, 01:40:50 PM
Two old military Jeeps, one TJ covered completely in mud and another TJ modified with a cargo box and plexiglass doors.
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Post by: Whoey on May 17, 2016, 03:21:11 PM
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Post by: derekmac on June 07, 2016, 03:55:29 AM
WILL IT EVER END?? :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Post by: Alan K. on June 07, 2016, 05:51:21 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 07, 2016, 02:09:29 PM
But I'm still not giving it up.... :P
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Post by: NKlamerus on June 12, 2016, 06:12:48 PM
Yes he drives with it up there, personal friend of ours who is trying to start a buisness. It was actually designed to remove a hard top with built in legs that you can drive away from. It's got quite away few uses tho
Post by: derekmac on June 12, 2016, 06:14:07 PM
Post by: dks on June 12, 2016, 06:16:49 PM
Post by: NKlamerus on June 12, 2016, 06:34:19 PM
The roof top tents are pretty cool, but also not cheap.Oh the tent is totally seperate, he just mounts it up there for advertising
No idea how much the system will actually cost yet, but it should hold any brand tent you want to use
Post by: Whoey on June 20, 2016, 10:12:32 AM
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Fiat Chrysler earlier this year recalled certain Jeep Grand Cherokees for their “rollaway” risk after drivers were injured when they mistakenly thought they had shifted their car to park.
Star Trek star Anton Yelchin died at his San Fernando Valley home on Saturday night when his own car pinned him to his mailbox at the bottom of a steep driveway. Yelchin was alone and, according to TMZ, the car was a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Friends found Yelchin when they went to his house after he failed to turn up to rehearsal.
terribly sad
Post by: derekmac on July 07, 2016, 06:59:59 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 07, 2016, 10:23:58 PM
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Post by: derekmac on July 15, 2016, 02:01:34 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 15, 2016, 02:10:36 AM
Couldn't you have taken the pic on a better angle to show the MTO sticker? :P
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Post by: derekmac on July 15, 2016, 02:15:06 AM
Nice!Hey, I am the Canadian face palmer! :facepalm:
Couldn't you have taken the pic on a better angle to show the MTO sticker? :P
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Post by: derekmac on August 30, 2016, 12:36:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNylrSNXhAg
Post by: tjfarrington2000 on August 30, 2016, 12:50:36 AM
Yep. If that thing is anything like that SAK, I sure as hell don't want it! :rofl:
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Maybe they mean that some of their parts are on backwards too? :think:Puts a new meaning to Wengerinox
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 02, 2016, 01:48:49 AM
I drove it off the dealer lot with 4kms on the odometer, and now three and a half years later this is where we are at!
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Post by: derekmac on September 06, 2016, 06:40:25 PM
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Post by: SAK Guy on October 12, 2016, 02:44:44 AM
Just for around the farm and hunting hogs.
Post by: derekmac on October 12, 2016, 03:23:33 AM
:dd:
:D
Post by: SAK Guy on October 12, 2016, 05:19:00 AM
Don't think, DO!! :ahhh
:dd:
:D
I think it's A M38A1 from the 50's-60's. Runs fine, new alternator, front end and is just back from the mechanic.
and.....
it has....
------> GUN RACKS!!!! <------
:dd: :dd: :dd: :dd: :dd: :dd: :dd:
It belongs to a rancher buddy of mine.
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Post by: G-Dizzle on October 12, 2016, 06:20:31 AM
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Post by: SAK Guy on October 12, 2016, 07:07:23 AM
:like:
:cheers:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 12, 2016, 12:24:07 PM
Would like a jeep, but having a truck bed is just too useful atm.
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That's why I also have a utility trailer. That was my compromise. I wanted an SUV to have space fire the dogs but I also wanted a pickup bed, so, in typical MTO fashion I did both. :P
Don't think, DO!! :ahhh
:dd:
:D
I couldn't agree more. That is a beauty!
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Post by: SAK Guy on October 13, 2016, 10:37:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZcbifYqpGc
Post by: SteveC on October 13, 2016, 10:48:23 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on October 17, 2016, 12:37:34 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 17, 2016, 12:55:57 AM
Any chance of seeing what's under the hood and the interior too! :pok:
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Post by: SAK Guy on October 17, 2016, 06:56:07 PM
Very nice machine!
Any chance of seeing what's under the hood and the interior too! :pok:
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Sure, I'll work on pix. It has the orig 4 cylinder with the Oil bath breather. Interior is rough but everything important works. It has been a hunting vehicle for 30+ years.
Post by: SAK Guy on October 17, 2016, 10:48:59 PM
https://www.kaiserwillys.com/about_willys_jeep_m38a1_history_specs
http://www.m38a1.com/resources/history.htm
Mine. Upholstery kit (NEW Feed sacks, blankets and rope) are planned as well as a comprehensive repair kit (Duct tape and bailing wire)! :D
Post by: SteveC on October 18, 2016, 05:45:19 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on October 18, 2016, 06:13:22 AM
:dd:
:D :salute:
Post by: David on October 18, 2016, 06:17:37 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on October 18, 2016, 07:08:16 AM
SG jeep :like:
:D Thx David!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 19, 2016, 12:46:48 AM
People cam talk about modern cars and how reliable they are, but there won't be any 2015 Honda Civics still running in 50-60 years!
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Post by: derekmac on October 19, 2016, 12:55:17 AM
That is a great machine!Well, the engines will still be running, but there's won't be any car left surrounding them!! lol
People cam talk about modern cars and how reliable they are, but there won't be any 2015 Honda Civics still running in 50-60 years!
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Post by: SAK Guy on October 19, 2016, 02:20:38 AM
That is a great machine!Well, the engines will still be running, but there's won't be any car left surrounding them!! lol
People cam talk about modern cars and how reliable they are, but there won't be any 2015 Honda Civics still running in 50-60 years!
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:D Esp if they sit out in the weather with the top down for years...
Thx guys!!! Just got conformation on my parts order. Orig Repair manual reprint, gas cap gasket and orig shifter knob.
That chrome Michelob knob thing has had a blowout it looks like an ancient male undercarriage. :facepalm:
Post by: derekmac on October 19, 2016, 02:24:59 AM
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Post by: SAK Guy on October 19, 2016, 03:01:13 AM
What you have there is my ideal project! I'm super jealous!!
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Thx!!! You need to find one one of these....
The first Willys Jeep factory in Canada was opened in 1959, although Ford Canada had previously built military Jeeps under an agreement with Willys and the Canadian military. According to Canadian author David Dunlop, 2,140 M-38 CDN Jeeps were built by Ford in 1952, and over 1,000 M-38A1's in 1953.
http://cj3b.info/Canada/CanadaKaiser.html
And complete history:
http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/showthread.php?t=23222
Mine's an M38A1 of undetermined pedigree/year. Found the serial number plate but it has about 5 coats of paint over it. :facepalm: My buddy's had it for 15 years and hasn't found the paperwork yet. :facepalm:
Post by: SAK Guy on October 20, 2016, 07:20:56 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 21, 2016, 02:55:12 PM
This is a photo of what is rumored to be the next generation Wrangler.
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Post by: derekmac on October 21, 2016, 02:57:51 PM
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Post by: derekmac on October 21, 2016, 02:59:06 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161021/ba19f0f4a8aa118abda5e2e6bcd79af1.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161021/158e50ecb091437e24df940368d41bdd.jpg)
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Post by: Smashie on October 21, 2016, 03:00:50 PM
I guess this means I'll be done with Jeeps then. ...
This is a photo of what is rumored to be the next generation Wrangler.
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At least that's not as fugly as the early defender prototypes. Which have both been scrapped so I was told by a dealer.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 21, 2016, 03:39:45 PM
I finally got a new set of shoes for my TJ. A set of 33x12.5x15's.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161021/ba19f0f4a8aa118abda5e2e6bcd79af1.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161021/158e50ecb091437e24df940368d41bdd.jpg)
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That's exactly the setup I want for my TJ. Looks great! :tu:
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 21, 2016, 03:45:37 PM
I guess this means I'll be done with Jeeps then. ...
This is a photo of what is rumored to be the next generation Wrangler.
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At least that's not as fugly as the early defender prototypes. Which have both been scrapped so I was told by a dealer.
That's good news. When it comes to the timeless designs like the Wrangler and Defender they need to just make minor tweaks and keep the personality intact. You know, like they do with the higher end models, like the Range Rover or Grand Cherokee, which only change slightly from generation to generation, and are still recognizable.
Those Defender concepts looked like they were designed by Posh Spice, and we already have the Evoque for that segment of the market.
This Wrangler concept looks like they are trying to tie in the design with the Uber hideous Renegades.
(http://www.caranddriver.com/images/15q3/660572/2015-jeep-renegade-trailhawk-review-car-and-driver-photo-662241-s-429x262.jpg)
If you have an iconic brand and you want to tie in other models, why not make the other models look like the icon rather than make the icon look like it was designed by this guy:
(http://images.moviefanatic.com/iu/s--eLN1Oe8p--/t_full/f_auto,fl_lossy,q_75/v1364991161/mugatu.jpg)
:facepalm:
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Post by: SAK Guy on October 21, 2016, 04:16:47 PM
I finally got a new set of shoes for my TJ. A set of 33x12.5x15's.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161021/ba19f0f4a8aa118abda5e2e6bcd79af1.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161021/158e50ecb091437e24df940368d41bdd.jpg)
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Awesome jeep D-Mac!!!! :cheers:
Post by: SAK Guy on October 24, 2016, 08:43:31 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 24, 2016, 01:38:09 PM
The nice thing about an old one like yours is that it doesn't require a lot of fancy accessories to repair or replace- no heated seats, no air conditioning, no fancy stereo system etc.
And, being a military vehicle, it is made to have pretty well any parts you can find or scrounge fit into it.
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Post by: dks on October 24, 2016, 01:59:04 PM
I recently sold what is widely considered to be the most robust/best built/reliable and so on car of all time, with the most reliable engine in, as well; the W123 Mercedes, with the workhorse 2.4.D engine.Typical taxi all over the world. Mine was a registered classic car too.
Yes it worked fine, even though it was built 40 years ago, BUT, it did require maintenance, including changes of various transmission/axle parts, injectors. an engine rebuild at some time and lots of minor things, like oil sealants on the break system, break pads, various other seals and bits and pieces. I sold it for OK money as i was not using it.
For a common car like that (good parts availability) the maintenance cost per year, with very little driving was several hundred euros.
A newer, lets say 10 year old Japanese car with a lot of usage costs me about 150 and a 30 year old off-roader (ex-UN vehicle, so a real military vehicle, which is a term that seems to make people moist, even though it does not really mean anything in most cases)which sees a lot of use about the same (but it had had transmission/axle repairs in the past).
I am sure that if I was spending 400 or 600 Euro on any car, per year it would work OK, irrespective of whether it fitted the cliche I posted at the beginning.
Bottom line is, do not assume that an old car, with a good reputation will work all the time, with no expensive maintenance needed. Even one in pristine condition will need some cash input, to stay good.
Post by: SAK Guy on October 24, 2016, 06:14:45 PM
Yeah, they do that....
The nice thing about an old one like yours is that it doesn't require a lot of fancy accessories to repair or replace- no heated seats, no air conditioning, no fancy stereo system etc.
And, being a military vehicle, it is made to have pretty well any parts you can find or scrounge fit into it.
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:cheers: :cheers: Want to do the minimum amount to it. Ordered a couple of flat black hood latches, an inline fuel filter and a rattle can of flat OD paint for the hood latches and touch ups. I just want it to run and not to sit on seat springs. A sheet of plywood and several surplus blankets for the seats are probably next.
Post by: derekmac on October 25, 2016, 02:14:26 AM
Thanks buddy!I finally got a new set of shoes for my TJ. A set of 33x12.5x15's.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161021/ba19f0f4a8aa118abda5e2e6bcd79af1.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161021/158e50ecb091437e24df940368d41bdd.jpg)
Sent from my Galaxy S7 Edge.
Awesome jeep D-Mac!!!! :cheers:
Sent from my Galaxy S7 Edge.
Post by: David on October 25, 2016, 11:34:19 PM
I finally got a new set of shoes for my TJ. A set of 33x12.5x15's.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161021/ba19f0f4a8aa118abda5e2e6bcd79af1.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161021/158e50ecb091437e24df940368d41bdd.jpg)
Sent from my Galaxy S7 Edge.
Oh those are my kind of tires! 8) :tu: :like:
Post by: Etherealicer on November 06, 2016, 07:18:32 PM
Driver side shot.Nice ride :tu:
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/M38A1%20Jeep_zps4vgq95pd.jpg)
Post by: Smashie on November 17, 2016, 08:07:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fahh9ekJYno
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 17, 2016, 11:07:49 PM
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Post by: dks on November 18, 2016, 03:30:21 PM
https://youtu.be/562FVI6ynok
Post by: Whoey on November 18, 2016, 04:54:26 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 18, 2016, 04:58:11 PM
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Post by: Whoey on November 18, 2016, 05:43:28 PM
Post by: Alan K. on November 18, 2016, 07:18:46 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 19, 2016, 01:28:12 PM
In my opinion they shouldn't build any Jeep models other than trail rated models. If you're going to buy something that's only 2 wheel drive or all wheel drive without a true low range then you might as well buy a mini-van. Playing with the styling is busy work for the designers and doesn't involve the engineers at all and styling doesn't do anything to improve the function of the vehicles. What they need to work on is making a "go anywhere" vehicle that gets 30 miles per gallon and can haul all of your gear.
Boy wouldn't that be nice?
As I see it, Jeep is really missing the boat here. Imagine an extended range hybrid electric Jeep? Four small electric drive wheels, and a small engine/generator for extra power when needed, or simply to keep the electric powerplant charged. That would give the off road guys the torque they want, and you could select which wheels got the power, how much and when.
Make it as tough as a regular Jeep Wrangler and it would make everyone happy.
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Post by: dks on November 19, 2016, 01:32:08 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 19, 2016, 01:38:48 PM
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Post by: dks on November 19, 2016, 01:40:22 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 19, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Honestly, the only issue I see would be the waterproofing. Yeah, it could leave the factory water tight, but who knows what can happen after it finds a few rocks?
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Post by: dks on November 22, 2016, 07:39:41 PM
Post by: dks on December 09, 2016, 02:57:35 PM
Post by: 4everYoung on December 13, 2016, 11:00:21 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161213/7914bd73c296e8195f41bfd94895b7e0.jpg)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 13, 2016, 11:39:44 PM
Welcome to the forum!
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 13, 2016, 11:40:12 PM
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Post by: Mr. Whippy on January 28, 2017, 03:04:30 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 28, 2017, 01:53:24 PM
Did you end up getting the Willy's version?
Come on man, we need details!
And photos!
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Post by: Mr. Whippy on January 28, 2017, 02:45:51 PM
Congratulations Nate!
Did you end up getting the Willy's version?
Come on man, we need details!
And photos!
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I'm going to try to get some beauty shots today. And I'll tell the whole tale.
Following the inputs from a well known Jeep owner I know, I went for the Sahara trim line. Manual transmission. 3 piece hard top. Just got it back from the shop where they installed aftermarket heated seats.
More to come!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 28, 2017, 03:16:51 PM
We really appreciate them in the cold, but also after a day of adventuring they help dry us (and the seats!) out in the warmer weather as well!
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Post by: The Lone Wanderer on January 28, 2017, 08:28:14 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 28, 2017, 10:55:56 PM
Still, it does the job and almost doubles the horsepower of the 4.0L, while still getting better fuel economy, so I guess it's not that bad. Still, we'll see if the 3.6L is still going strong half a million miles and 40 years from now!
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Post by: Mr. Whippy on January 29, 2017, 02:06:57 AM
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/Jeep/20170128_093032_zpsynubouks.jpg)
We decided that we needed another AWD/4WD vehicle for bad weather. My wife wanted the VW Tiguan for bad weather, and didn't think a 17 year old Cabrio was sufficient for me to drive into work with. Now we've been very short handed since the end of October, due to the illness of one of my partners, so I didn't really have time to go to dealers and haggle. Instead, I contacted them all by email and ran my negotiations via email. We finally agreed on a black Sahara.(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/Jeep/20170128_130015_zpswf2k0fcq.jpg)
As I said, 3 piece hard top, manual transmission and aftermarket heated seats. Not a lot more to say!
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/Jeep/20170128_093106_zpszuwqjwgb.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/Jeep/20170128_093054_zpsa9civ01p.jpg)
I guess you can say I'm very pleased...
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/Jeep/IMG_9673_zpsdhwd1prn.jpg)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on January 29, 2017, 02:08:29 AM
I love the 4.0L inline six. It may have been a pig, but it had some serious low end to it. The newer 3.6L Pentastar is nice, but it is weird to see how much it screams. I can probably count on one hand the number of times the 4.0 in my TJ red lined, or even beat 3,000 RPMs, but it seems like the Pentastar does it constantly! :ahhh
Still, it does the job and almost doubles the horsepower of the 4.0L, while still getting better fuel economy, so I guess it's not that bad. Still, we'll see if the 3.6L is still going strong half a million miles and 40 years from now!
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Redline is really high, like 8K! 3K is still in the sweet spot on the tach.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 29, 2017, 04:15:52 AM
Oh, and heated seats are a must in places that have winter!
Just watch the windshield- I am about to put my fourth one in after yet another stone chip and resulting crack.
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Post by: derekmac on February 01, 2017, 06:34:57 PM
Post by: Mr. Whippy on February 02, 2017, 02:05:08 AM
Congrats Nate!!Thanks!
Totally loving it. Silky smooth transmission.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on April 12, 2017, 06:39:50 PM
It can vary widely! :o
I ordered my soft top for the Jeep yesterday. Here's a screen capture of the price:
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/Jeep/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-12%20at%2012.30.44%20PM_zpsitcy7gef.png)
I realized the Amazon Garage feature kept saying "not compatible with your vehicle" even though the item description listed 2017's. So I asked the question and yes it's the right part. The seller sent me a link to the same item (with a different price!!):
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/Jeep/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-12%20at%2012.31.41%20PM_zpsue05agve.png)
I thought maybe it was so much more because it didn't "see" my Prime membership so I signed into the link and got a better price but still more than I actually paid 8) :
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/Jeep/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-12%20at%2012.31.16%20PM_zpstvkrghmx.png)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 12, 2017, 09:27:54 PM
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Post by: derekmac on May 07, 2017, 10:24:43 PM
This is how they started:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170324_162803.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170324_162803.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170324_162808.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170324_162808.jpg.html)
Starting to build them:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170325_170514.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170325_170514.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170325_170527.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170325_170527.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170326_185828.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170326_185828.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170326_185935.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170326_185935.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170326_185939.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170326_185939.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170326_185957.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170326_185957.jpg.html)
Painted, color matched to the Jeep:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170421_165818.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170421_165818.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170421_165828.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170421_165828.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170421_165905_1.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170421_165905_1.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170427_173529.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170427_173529.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170428_182336.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170428_182336.jpg.html)
Holes drilled in the grill for some JK turn signals:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170428_183700.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170428_183700.jpg.html)
Old VS new:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170430_191918.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170430_191918.jpg.html)
All done and installed:
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170505_163828.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170505_163828.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170505_163838.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170505_163838.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170505_163857.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170505_163857.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170505_163913.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170505_163913.jpg.html)
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Rubi/20170505_164107.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Rubi/20170505_164107.jpg.html)
Post by: Smashie on May 07, 2017, 10:27:25 PM
Post by: 4everYoung on May 07, 2017, 10:38:11 PM
From last weekend
Post by: Smashie on June 22, 2017, 11:11:36 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170622/ef9c1eafb07223b403c218a0feb45c95.jpg)
I took this photo leaving my sons school sports day, as I was taking the photo a voice behind me said 'you like it?' So 30 minute conversation ensued.
Turns out that he was inspired to build this after seeing a Defender 90 in the village. I laughed and he asked why? I replied that he was talking about my car :rofl:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170622/0ab2041b89ee7cd8302d84693d67734d.jpg)
Post by: 4everYoung on June 23, 2017, 01:41:00 AM
Well this is the first Jeep I've seen in the UK that I thought 'I'd have that'.That's great. Also great looking defender btw.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170622/ef9c1eafb07223b403c218a0feb45c95.jpg)
I took this photo leaving my sons school sports day, as I was taking the photo a voice behind me said 'you like it?' So 30 minute conversation ensued.
Turns out that he was inspired to build this after seeing a Defender 90 in the village. I laughed and he asked why? I replied that he was talking about my car :rofl:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170622/0ab2041b89ee7cd8302d84693d67734d.jpg)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 23, 2017, 03:58:02 AM
Well this is the first Jeep I've seen in the UK that I thought 'I'd have that'.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170622/ef9c1eafb07223b403c218a0feb45c95.jpg)
I took this photo leaving my sons school sports day, as I was taking the photo a voice behind me said 'you like it?' So 30 minute conversation ensued.
Turns out that he was inspired to build this after seeing a Defender 90 in the village. I laughed and he asked why? I replied that he was talking about my car :rofl:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170622/0ab2041b89ee7cd8302d84693d67734d.jpg)
That's hilarious!
While I was out of town last week Megan bought a Jeep accessory. We picked it up today- this isn't my pic, but it's exactly the same model and color.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/82/03/79/82037909bee045868d3a2b3fdec3aa63.jpg)
It's a 1976 Apache Ramada hard sided folding camping trailer. She's been drooling over them for a while and finally got one at a decent price. It needs a bit of work and cleanup yet, but it should be a fun project. It is also the biggest folding trailer I've ever seen- the box on it alone is 8 feet wide and 12 feet long. :ahhh
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Post by: dks on January 29, 2018, 07:36:28 PM
I really wish the 4wd companies would utilise one of the new 2ish liter diesels that are currently producing plenty of power so that they can offer a good but cheaper product, for out of the US customers.
200Hp, 400Nm Torque is enough - older diesel units, used in Europe, were fine with 100Hp for offroading.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 30, 2018, 10:10:51 PM
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Post by: dks on January 31, 2018, 08:29:41 AM
fiat has several smaller diesel engines, some are not that bad.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 31, 2018, 05:21:45 PM
Seriously, I think Fiat is doing well to keep the Fiat people away from the Jeep Wrangler as much as possible. The latest round of Jeep updates (JL) are actually quite good, and largely are the things Jeep owners have been asking for for a long time. But, as we've seen from the new Cherokee (which I actually like) and the Renegade (which I hate, and is basically a gussied up Fiat 500x) the "real Jeep guys" don't want to see Fiat parts anywhere on their Jeeps.
I personally welcome our new Italian overlords..... but they have to tread very lightly or risk losing the only brand in the Chrysler family that consistently makes money.
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Post by: dks on January 31, 2018, 05:29:24 PM
https://youtu.be/IAcVDLB5xwE
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 31, 2018, 06:07:23 PM
After Hurricane Juan passed through in 2003 I drove the Sunfire through a puddle that brought water up over the hood. I'd say a foot and a half to two feet deep. I don't recommend doing that in a Sunfire, but we came out the other side.
Plus I know guys that could probably make it through Moab with a G-Whiz, and i know people that can't make it out of a clear parking lot on a summer day with a Humvee. :facepalm:
The fact is, Jeep owners are a remarkably nearsighted lot, and if it isn't Jeep then it is crap. You should have heard the grumbling when Jeep dared to put the 3.8L engine into Jeeps instead of continuing with the 4.0 that had been in Jeeps forever. Sure the 3.8L engine was terrible in it's own right, but no one was willing to give it a chance because it was a "minivan engine" taken from the Caravan. And that was at least a Dodge engine. Can you imagine how an engine built by foreigners is going to go over? :ahhh
The only reason the 3.6L Pentastar has been finally accepted as a suitable Jeep engine is that it is actually a really, really good engine. It was released in 2011 and has been on Ward's 10 Best Engines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines) 5 times in the seven years it's been out.
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Post by: dks on January 31, 2018, 06:16:08 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 31, 2018, 06:18:46 PM
Jeep logic is funny when you think about it. Jeep guys say that the Jeep is the best off road vehicle out there, then spend tens of thousands of dollars making it more off road capable, but my theory is that if you started with a Geo Metro and spent the same amount of money on lift kits, big tires, engine modifications etc you could have a rig that does just as well off road.... :facepalm:
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Post by: dks on January 31, 2018, 06:20:49 PM
https://youtu.be/cgn2AG3WY-8
Reminds me of Land Rover where each brand owner gets some of the knowledge and then sells it..
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 31, 2018, 09:42:40 PM
I'll admit, that Panda 4x4 does look halfways decent- it reminds me a lot of my old Tracker. It could go places the Jeeps couldn't because it weighed about half as much as a Jeep. And, in that video, I'd have taken the Defender over the Fiat any day of the week. Of course, as an accused "Jeep Guy" if I had to choose, I'd take the Land Rover over my Jeep too. :P
Of course the 410mm of water fording ability sounds impressive until you do some math- that's less than a foot and a half of depth, and I'd say that there isn't an American made SUV that wouldn't safely handle that much. And, in fact, many cars, as I mentioned above, and let's face it, a Sunfire isn't exactly a high quality vehicle. By comparison, Jeeps are good for 30 inches (762mm), Land Rover Discoveries are good to 20 inches (508mm) and the Range Rover Sport is good to 33 inches (838mm) compared to the Panda's 16 inches. Even the Jeep version of that Panda (aka Renegade) is good to 19 inches or 482mm.
If they are learning from Jeep, they need to start taking better notes. :facepalm:
Def
Post by: derekmac on March 07, 2018, 12:33:36 AM
For the 5% that will beat it in the woods, it does have its issues. LED's in the front fenders that WILL get smacked against trees, not a great idea. Rear tail lights with expensive sensors that stick out past the body, guess what, they'll get hit too. :(
I'd love to have a diesel Sahara as our family vehicle though. We love our Cherokee, but a diesel Wrangler would be awesome! :D
Post by: dks on March 09, 2018, 06:54:34 PM
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 05, 2018, 06:53:26 AM
JR
Post by: ThundahBeagle on June 12, 2018, 12:03:07 AM
It's back to the WJ for me.
I'd love a wrangler, preferably a CJ or a YJ (87-95), I just can't put both kayaks and bikes on one without an additional luggage rack, which is a given on a WJ.
I'm planning on lifting the WJ 2 inches over stock, putting some only slightly bigger tires on it, and running it that way. I'm not a serious off roader, but want to be able to ride trails without bottoming out, and glide over a foot of snow as easily as I could in my stock Blazer.
I'm sorry, but a $1000 Craigslist Cherokee is more capable than the new Fiat Cherokee. I test drove one. It would make a nice Nissan Murano Jr.
Placing one wheel on a ramp, it cannot make it as high up as an old Cherokee. It is to pretty, and not near as rugged or capable. What a piece of junk. The angle of approach is so damn low what do they hope to straddle?
Give me a metal dash board, two shifters, and rubber mats so I can hose the dog hair and dirt out of it after downshifting manually to get up that hill.
Even soccer mom's who used Jeep Cherokee in the 90'same did so because of the capability to drive in bad road conditions that came along with a hell of a good 4x4 off road goat.
Please God, please let some wealthy American company buy Jeep and return it to what it has always been - a kickass American 4x4 vehicle that is no frills. Function over form, please!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 12, 2018, 03:11:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJLH0gokWwE
The Wrangler and the Grand Cherokee are still "real" Jeeps, and the new Cherokee is not bad for what it is. No, it isn't the old Cherokee, but it is still more off road capable than most SUV's out there, which admittedly isn't saying much. The rest of the line are aimed more mass market, and yes, you probably are better off with a $1000 Craigslist Cherokee than a new one if you are the kind of guy that wants a rugged vehicle.
Don't blame Fiat for all of the soccer mom vehicles with the Jeep name on them- many of the "everyday" style Jeeps have been around a lot longer that Fiat's ownership papers.
Amusingly enough, I parked next to a Fiat 500 the other day at a shopping center and I was going to take pics of it and my Jeep and post them on IG with a tag saying "two Fiats!" as a joke.
Of course, if one wanted to get into details, my JKU is a 2013, and also predates Fiat's ownership, and therefore the comment would be erroneous, even though a Jeep salesman tried to tell me 2013 was part of the Fiat era. You'd think that a guy who makes his living selling Jeeps would at least have his facts straight. :facepalm:
Def
Post by: ThundahBeagle on June 12, 2018, 04:28:02 AM
I agree that the Wrangler is still a real SUV. And to some extent, the Grand Cherokee is, also. I just feel that when we have to qualify the Cherokee as "not bad for what it is", something is lost. Something important.
They could have called this new garbage Cherokee any other name, and brought back a proper Cherokee.
Dear Jeep,
Please take a page out of the Toyota 4Runner playbook - at the very least in terms of clearances and angles of approach and departure.
You are also right that this trend toward wimp mobiles started years ago. The bumpers and air dams are so blasted close to the ground on today's SUV's, I feel like an old codger ranting.
So, I keep buying older SUV's and try to keep them in good shape.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 12, 2018, 12:38:57 PM
And yes, you are absolutely right that the wind dams and other bits are too close to the ground- in fact I see so many of those torn off because of winter that I have to wonder why they even exist. :facepalm:
But then there's the flip side- my Jeep is terrible to drive. The JKU is worlds better than the TJ, but the suspension is still stiff and hitting bumps at highway speeds causes it to flutter a bit and crosswinds blow it all over. Most folks don't want to deal with those kinds of issues, especially when the full transfer case (versus an AWD system) just adds weight and buggers up fuel economy. Most people don't even know the difference between 4WD and AWD and think they are just different names for the same thing.
Def
Post by: ThundahBeagle on June 12, 2018, 10:40:54 PM
I agree with you- something is indeed lost when you have to qualify it like that.
And yes, you are absolutely right that the wind dams and other bits are too close to the ground- in fact I see so many of those torn off because of winter that I have to wonder why they even exist. :facepalm:
But then there's the flip side- my Jeep is terrible to drive. The JKU is worlds better than the TJ, but the suspension is still stiff and hitting bumps at highway speeds causes it to flutter a bit and crosswinds blow it all over. Most folks don't want to deal with those kinds of issues, especially when the full transfer case (versus an AWD system) just adds weight and buggers up fuel economy. Most people don't even know the difference between 4WD and AWD and think they are just different names for the same thing.
Def
Sad but true. People no longer seem to want manual transmissions, nor do they want manual transaxles. Like you said earlier, they want the truck to drive like a sports car.
When I drove cars (' 87 Honda Crx, '94 Honda Accord, '06 Honda Civic Si) they were mostly standard shift. Even my first pickup truck was standard. Moving to the big Blazers of the '90's, it was difficult to find one in standard shift, but at least I had the 4x4 shifter.
The '99 Grand Cherokee I will be in does have a 4x4 shifter for the Selec-Trac, thank God for that, but I think the new ones are some sort of dial.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 13, 2018, 12:18:20 AM
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Post by: ThundahBeagle on June 16, 2018, 03:56:35 AM
Tomorrow I will check in with the local auto glass folks, because a 2×4 was pushed exhuberantly from the hatch until someone heard a little bit of glass.
Shocks and springs are tired. Since I'm replacing them anyway, this is an opportunity to get taller springs and shocks and do the 2" lift. That seems to be a respectable lift without having to changet out every other peice of hardware under the Jeep. Stopped at Advance Auto Parts today. They have the 2" lift shocks, but the fronts only. So I will have to order some. Same with the springs.
Rancho? Rough Country 2 and a half? Fat Bob? What does all the WJ crowd suggest?
May as well do sway bar links since I'm in there.
And the brakes at all 4 corners while the wheels are off.
Then I'll order up some 31" tires and that should do it.
Any other suggestions?
Thanks
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 16, 2018, 02:49:40 PM
I don't know about the WJ, but when it comes to Wranglers many guys try to steer clear of Rough Country lifts. I haven't had one myself, so I really can't comment too much but I do know a guy that didn't even get a year out of his Rough Country lift kit before swapping it out for a different one. At least one of the shocks was totally beat and he wasn't a hardcore wheeler.
Def
Post by: ThundahBeagle on June 17, 2018, 02:15:23 PM
Just lift the front and grip the steering wheel really hard and people will think you are going really, really fast. :D
I don't know about the WJ, but when it comes to Wranglers many guys try to steer clear of Rough Country lifts. I haven't had one myself, so I really can't comment too much but I do know a guy that didn't even get a year out of his Rough Country lift kit before swapping it out for a different one. At least one of the shocks was totally beat and he wasn't a hardcore wheeler.
Def
So I am reading on a number of forums. I reached out to Kolak and am getting some advice from him. He's some sort of Jeep performance guru out in US Mountain time zone somewhere.
He is suggesting Iron Rock Off-road. His 3" lift suggestions are tempting but put me in a whole different spending and replace - parts bracket.
So I'm settling back to a 2" lift, and he's been very helpful in the decision making process.
Post by: ThundahBeagle on June 17, 2018, 02:24:01 PM
I own a 1998 ZJ, 4.0, NP242, my daily driver. My Dad has a 1994 ZJ, 5.2, 268,000 miles, retired now since he got a newer SUV.
The ZJ was originally intended to be the next Cherokee. It tested very well, and opinion ratings in focus groups were very high. But when focus groups were told it would be replacing the Cherokee, it was all pitchforks and torches. Nobody wanted the Cherokee replaced, but they did love the ZJ. Hence the ZJ was instead marketed as a separate model and the GRAND Cherokee was born.
Post by: derekmac on June 19, 2018, 02:08:02 AM
I had a 2002 WJ that I lifted 4" (Rough Country :facepalm: ) and put 32's on it. I slowly built it over 4ish years, and when it got to the point of being built to how I had pictured it, it was time for a change. So I bought a 2005 TJ Rubicon.
Now you can call me all the names you want, but I believe the TJ is the last of the "real" Jeeps. Now of course that's just my opinion. I think a Jeep should be something small, nimble and easy to work on. JK's and now JL's have far too many electronic gizmos, computers and sensors in them.
A CJ on coil springs would actually be my ideal Jeep. Stupid simple, and with coils, half decently comfortable.
Post by: ThundahBeagle on July 07, 2018, 05:39:03 AM
We have a 2015 Cherokee, and love it. It's a run on the mill SUV, and is not built or intended to be an off-roader (including the Trail Hawk IMHO). What it is is a great family hauler, and very comfortable and nice to drive. Also, most people buying them have no idea what the old Cherokee is, nor would they care.
I had a 2002 WJ that I lifted 4" (Rough Country :facepalm: ) and put 32's on it. I slowly built it over 4ish years, and when it got to the point of being built to how I had pictured it, it was time for a change. So I bought a 2005 TJ Rubicon.
Now you can call me all the names you want, but I believe the TJ is the last of the "real" Jeeps. Now of course that's just my opinion. I think a Jeep should be something small, nimble and easy to work on. JK's and now JL's have far too many electronic gizmos, computers and sensors in them.
A CJ on coil springs would actually be my ideal Jeep. Stupid simple, and with coils, half decently comfortable.
After test driving the new Cherokee, I came to the same conclusion. A nice Nissan Rogue or something, comfy, all that, but it hurts to see that done to the Cherokee name. They could have brought it to market under some other name and it'd be fine.
Ya just can't tell me that nobody wants a tall, capable 4x4 SUV as long as Toyota keeps making the 4Runner like this.
I've enjoyed reading about your WJ Grand and seeing the videos of it here. It gives me hope for mine. I'm starting out with two inches of Iron Rock Offroad coil lifts with new coil isolators, and Pro Comp series 9000 shocks. New Moog sway bar links and brakes for all four, and will see how that rides for a bit.
I can see myself getting a YJ at some point, but yes, the holy grail of Jeeps is the old CJ. And I can agree that some nice coils under one of those would make it nice.
Also agree with you about the TJ being the last of the greats. Too much electronics in the new Jeeps. Especially for a company known for being cheap on wire lengths in harnesses and such. Most of the time a Jeep power window craps out is because the negative wire between the door and the jam has cracked, because they are too short for the distance.
Funny to see how many people look down on the WJ, when compared with the CJ, YJ, and TJ, the WJ has the same Dana 35 diff in the rear and Dana 30 up front, the same motor, longer wheelbase, wider track, more storage space, more towing capacity, and can do it with a little bit of style.
It is the Star Trek The Next Generation of the Star Trek world. In many ways a superior product, but will never be as recognized as the original
But it's small wheelwells limit the tire size, so despite its breeding and muscle, it starts from a disadvantage.
Post by: Greg Jones on July 07, 2018, 06:09:20 PM
Post by: ThundahBeagle on August 23, 2018, 09:34:16 PM
Eh? See what I did there?
Post by: ThundahBeagle on August 23, 2018, 09:36:25 PM
Post by: ThundahBeagle on August 23, 2018, 09:36:53 PM
Post by: ThundahBeagle on August 23, 2018, 09:37:33 PM
Post by: ThundahBeagle on August 23, 2018, 09:38:03 PM
Post by: ThundahBeagle on August 23, 2018, 09:49:46 PM
By the way, Kolak on the Jeepforums is the guy to speak with if you are looking to modify your WJ at all. He just knows them inside and out and suggested my mods here. He is out of Arizona. Don't know if he can service Canada customers but I wouldn't be hesitant to contact him. (Sorry Mods, I don't mean this as an advertisement) I'll be doing so for some other parts. I am very happy with Kolak's suggestions and his customer service.
I am doing this in stages, so i havent done everything that has been suggested yet. As a result...A pucker-inducing wobble does develop, but only after hitting patches of pot holes at highway speeds. I can keep from doing that until I get a new Panhard rod, tie rod ends and steering damper. That's my next stop. Then tires and an alignment.
Sure it's only August, but I'm trying to get all this done during hurricane season and before the first snow flies.
Post by: ThundahBeagle on August 23, 2018, 09:54:22 PM
Post by: derekmac on August 30, 2018, 03:45:45 AM
Thank you Derkmac for confirming for me here, that it IS worth it to do this to a WJ.NP, the WJ is a great platform to build. The Jeep is lookin good!! :tu:
Post by: derekmac on August 30, 2018, 03:56:57 AM
At the Pirate Off-road Nation Valley Invasion (massive off-road event), I won a set of five General Tire tires (any size I want). I went with the Grabber X3's in 35x12.5x15.
Now in order to be able to run these tires, my Jeep needed some upgrades. I installed a new ZJ tie rod, which is much stronger than the wimpy TJ one. I have also ordered a JKS adjustable front track bar, and a 1.25" body lift.
A friend gave me a set of 4" rear coils (3.25" lift when installed), so I got those installed. My old coils gave me 2" of lift. It's now sitting with a little too much rake, so I'm going to raise the front another 0.5". Once I get the BL and get it installed, it should clear the new tires nicely. :)
The pic is how it's sitting right now.
Post by: MMR on August 30, 2018, 03:18:51 PM
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Post by: Greg Jones on August 30, 2018, 11:49:21 PM
Greg, if you don't mind me saying, that's a rather "slick (er)" looking Jeep in those pics.
Eh? See what I did there?
:cheers:
Post by: NutSAK on August 31, 2018, 06:50:11 PM
Here's my XJ:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4651/38811134235_599dde035a_k.jpg)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 01, 2018, 01:44:00 PM
Be way cooler if you had a Bronco though...... :pok:
Def
Post by: ThundahBeagle on September 01, 2018, 07:03:49 PM
Nice one Terry!
Be way cooler if you had a Bronco though...... :pok:
Def
...or a K5 Blazer like Sheriff Brody in "Jaws". Just sayin'...
Post by: ThundahBeagle on September 01, 2018, 07:26:29 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 02, 2018, 03:51:12 PM
His Bronco is also very sweet, so if we all ask nicely maybe he will post a pic for us!
Def
Post by: NutSAK on September 03, 2018, 08:13:07 PM
Here's my '67:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1848/43543800265_99d5883936_k.jpg)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1853/43735497844_859150639f_k.jpg)
Post by: ThundahBeagle on September 03, 2018, 08:47:07 PM
Kinda sacrilege for a Jeep thread, but since I've seen some Landy's and other awesome trucks in here, OK... ;)
Here's my '67:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1848/43543800265_99d5883936_k.jpg)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1853/43735497844_859150639f_k.jpg)
VERY cool, Nut!
If ONLY Ford would make their upcoming Ford Bronco re-release like this one...
Based on the latest Jeep Cherokee and Chevy Blazer, I think not. One can hope. If not like this, then at least, please God, at least like the '78.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 03, 2018, 08:48:25 PM
Def
Post by: NutSAK on September 03, 2018, 10:55:55 PM
Kinda sacrilege for a Jeep thread, but since I've seen some Landy's and other awesome trucks in here, OK... ;)
Here's my '67:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1848/43543800265_99d5883936_k.jpg)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1853/43735497844_859150639f_k.jpg)
VERY cool, Nut!
If ONLY Ford would make their upcoming Ford Bronco re-release like this one...
Based on the latest Jeep Cherokee and Chevy Blazer, I think not. One can hope. If not like this, then at least, please God, at least like the '78.
There's no chance of us ever seeing vehicles like this again, sorry. :cry: The JL is the last of a dying breed, and unfortunately the 4-door wheelbase is way too long for my uses.
I'd be happy even if there was something like the XJ on the market. A true Bronco would be incredible.
Thanks Def! :salute:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 27, 2018, 07:46:11 PM
It also helps that on the weekend I was at a Jeep booth at a local fair and was telling the Jeep guy everything that was wrong with the JL.... :D
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Hello JK owners! First let me say congratulations. There is now a Jeep that is newer than yours. As I’m sure you all know, every Jeep newer than the generation that you own is an abomination that must be shunned. For the last 11 years it was YOU the JK owners that carried the burden of having the smurfty new Jeep. But now, with the reveal of the new JL Wrangler you no longer are stuck with the worst Jeep ever made! However, it’s not time to celebrate yet. There’s a lot of work to be done before you’re truly ready to pass the torch of shame on to the next generation.
CJ, YJ, and TJ owners have all gone through this process before and now it’s your turn to join us in the traditional hating of the new Jeep! To help you though this exciting and emotional time I have prepared this simple step by step guide on how exactly to hate new Jeeps while establishing the JK as the last truly great Jeep.
Step 1 - Announce the death of Jeep:
The first step is the most important. Jeep has suffered many deaths over the its 76 year existence. In a futile and foolish attempt to keep up with market and regulatory demands, Jeep’s many owners made various changes to the very core and soul of Jeep itself ultimately leading to the total death and failure of the brand.
These announcements usually take the form of “Jeep died in _______ when _______ took over and made the ________.”
Let’s look at a few examples of past deaths:
"Jeep died in 1970 when AMC took over and made the CJ-7."
"Jeep died in 1987 when Chrysler took over and made the YJ."
"Jeep died in 1997 when Daimler took over and made the TJ."
"Jeep died in 2007 when Chrysler took over again and made the JK."
So now say it with me, “Jeep died in 2018 when Fiat took over and made them make the JL.”
Now of course some people may not understand why a new model immediately marks the death of Jeep. That's why we need to explain it to them in simple terms.
Step 2 - Develop a rallying cry:
Every new Jeep has changes. Everyone hates changes. Choose what you believe is the most egregious of these changes and form your campaign behind it. The fact that the new Jeep has or doesn’t have this feature means that it isn’t a real Jeep. This will be your rallying cry. Put it on bumper stickers, in your signature, your flair, or in the posts you make. Let’s take a look at some past examples:
Real Jeeps have round headlights!
Real Jeeps have two doors!
Real Jeeps don’t have air conditioning!
Real Jeeps have leaf spring suspension!
Real Jeeps don’t have power locks and windows!
etc.
Now let’s try some of our own,
Real Jeeps don’t have an 8 speed transmission!
Real Jeeps don’t have LED fender lights!
Real Jeeps don’t have an electric drivetrain!
etc.
Here we’ve established what makes the new Jeep an objectively terrible vehicle, however not everyone will be convinced by a simply catch phrase. That’s where step 3 comes in!
Step 3 - Craft your long form rant:
Express your displeasure at the dilution of the Jeep community. Establish blame for the death of Jeep. These statements serve the duel purpose of disparaging new Jeep owners and discouraging others from following in their footsteps. This one is easy. Just fill in the blanks.
“These new (Model) owners. A bunch of (Group of people typically not associated with Jeep) and (Second Group of people not associated with Jeep)who care more about looks than capability. Jeeps were never meant to have (New feature) but these (Groups chosen before) won’t buy a car without them. What’s next? (Absurd luxury feature)? What happened to making the most capable vehicle they could make? You can’t even get a (Removed feature) anymore because most of these people won’t do any more off-roading than the grass at their local (Location popular with new generation’s current “hip” crowd). It’s not even a real Jeep anymore it’s just (Jeep brand’s current owner) trash. And they’re so expensive too. These people drop (Current MSRP, fully loaded) for what’s basically just a (modern vehicle generally viewed as "uncool") with the Jeep logo. And the ones who modify their Jeeps are just as bad. It’s all just bolt on (Low end parts supplier) bumpers and (Newest vehicle lighting technology) lights. All about appearance and nothing about substance. AND THEY NEVER WAVE!”
See? it's easy when you can just reuse old arguments! Now that the Jeep world knows that you’re mad, what do you do?
Step 4 - Attack the JL Owners:
These people are ruining Jeep and they need to know it! They’re no better than people who bought the Compass. If you see one on this subreddit or elsewhere on other forums let them know that they don’t drive a real Jeep and aren’t welcome here. I know it seems harsh but believe me, the only way to make sure the Jeep community survives is to make sure no new people are allowed in ever.
Respond to simple questions with total distain. Downvote pictures of stock JLs or new purchases. Make sure nobody feels welcome. Don’t tell them about the trails you like or offer to go off-roading with them. They are unworthy. If they wanted to get into Jeeps they should have done it the way you did it. You earned your Jeep. You scoured the earth looking for that perfect restorable Jeep. You spent countless hours rebuilding every nut and bolt from scratch. You didn’t just waltz into some dealership and finance some bland new car. You built your Jeep.*
* Note: If you bought your JK new from a dealership then you should instead tell JL owners that they should have gone back in time and bought a new JK like you did.
By now it should be clear to the JL people where they stand in the community. Now we need to make sure it stays that way.
Step 5 - Maintain The New Status Quo:
This may be the hardest part. As more and more JL owners begin to flood the roads and trails you need to make sure you stick to your guns. The new JL owners may seem nice. Their Jeeps may seem cool or even Jeep like but make no mistake, they are still driving an objectively worse vehicle than yours.
NEVER concede that there are good things about the new Jeep. Avoid the mistakes others have made in the past such as:
“Man I wish I had air conditioning in my Jeep.”
“Coils do ride better on the road.”
“Power locks actually sound pretty nice in cold weather.”
“Your Jeep DOESN’T leak everywhere?”
Saying nice things about the new Jeep should be seen as a sign of weakness. You’re not weak. You’re a JK owner.
You may find yourself admiring the JL from afar. You may start reading great things on automotive websites. You may even feel a desire to test drive one yourself. Resist this temptation. The JK is the greatest Jeep ever made.
I'm not going to lie to you dear JK owners, Step 5 is where most people fail. For years Jeep owners have tried to definitively prove that their Jeep is the last great Jeep, yet despite this Jeep sales continue stronger than ever. Maybe this can change with you. If enough people hate on the JL with enough forcefulness, you can not only make sure that people know that the JK is the last great Jeep, but make sure that the JK is also the last Jeep period.
Which is what we all want… right?
That concludes today’s tutorial.Quote
Def
Post by: ThundahBeagle on October 03, 2018, 04:46:43 PM
I lament the demise to this day of the Jeep Cherokee XJ, the Ford Bronco, and the big Chevy Blazer - of which I've owned two.
The return of the Cherokee name to the US was a putrid wussification of the name plate. The new Blazer is worse. God save the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, and the new Ford Bronco.
Meanwhile, I drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ now. Albeit I've installed a 2 inch coil lift, and tires 3 inches larger in diameter, giving me a total of 3.5 inches of height over stock. Same legendary 4.0 liter 6 cyl engine as some of the most famous Wranglers. Same differentials as in all the Wranglers up until the JK came out. More cargo and tow capacity. But a rediculous triangular rear control arm and dinky wheel wells. Ok, so I will be overcoming those obstacles after I change my drag link and entire tie rod assembly.
By the time I'm done with just minimal "upgrade" modifications, I will be putting the new Grand Cherokee to shame. The new Cherokee was already in shame, and still, still I may be just on parr with a stock Wrangler Sahara.
Post by: ThundahBeagle on October 03, 2018, 04:49:37 PM
Post by: Marc_in_NS on October 03, 2018, 06:34:52 PM
Post by: ThundahBeagle on October 06, 2018, 02:15:10 PM
Who needs a Track Bar anyway?!
Post by: ThundahBeagle on October 06, 2018, 06:14:51 PM
How can they be good? They are Fiat? :P
Seriously, I think Fiat is doing well to keep the Fiat people away from the Jeep Wrangler as much as possible. The latest round of Jeep updates (JL) are actually quite good, and largely are the things Jeep owners have been asking for for a long time. But, as we've seen from the new Cherokee (which I actually like) and the Renegade (which I hate, and is basically a gussied up Fiat 500x) the "real Jeep guys" don't want to see Fiat parts anywhere on their Jeeps.
I personally welcome our new Italian overlords..... but they have to tread very lightly or risk losing the only brand in the Chrysler family that consistently makes money.
Def
Hi Def,
Not owning a Wrangler myself, I've picked up an 80-page sales brochure (booklet?) From the dealer. Genuinely curious to know: what in your opinion are the specific updates that Jeep has included in the JL that Wrangler owners have been wanting?
Trying to make some decisions over here.
Thanks
Post by: derekmac on October 06, 2018, 09:49:51 PM
Next weekend I'll be installing my JKS front track bar and the springs.
Post by: ThundahBeagle on October 08, 2018, 02:46:30 AM
I have the 1.25 BL and 1" MML installed now. I also have a set of Rock Krawler 3.5" triple rate front coil springs on the way, which should have the front end sitting how I want it.
Next weekend I'll be installing my JKS front track bar and the springs.
Exciting stuff Derek!
My next round of work on the WJ will be complete drag link and complete tie rod and sleeve replacement, followed by lower front control arms. Got all the parts in the back of the WJ now.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 08, 2018, 03:24:07 AM
How can they be good? They are Fiat? :P
Seriously, I think Fiat is doing well to keep the Fiat people away from the Jeep Wrangler as much as possible. The latest round of Jeep updates (JL) are actually quite good, and largely are the things Jeep owners have been asking for for a long time. But, as we've seen from the new Cherokee (which I actually like) and the Renegade (which I hate, and is basically a gussied up Fiat 500x) the "real Jeep guys" don't want to see Fiat parts anywhere on their Jeeps.
I personally welcome our new Italian overlords..... but they have to tread very lightly or risk losing the only brand in the Chrysler family that consistently makes money.
Def
Hi Def,
Not owning a Wrangler myself, I've picked up an 80-page sales brochure (booklet?) From the dealer. Genuinely curious to know: what in your opinion are the specific updates that Jeep has included in the JL that Wrangler owners have been wanting?
Trying to make some decisions over here.
Thanks
Off the top of my head....
LED headlights
More engine options (diesel and hybrid engines not available yet)
Removable hard top windows/easier to manage hard top
The rear wiper motor is behind the spare tire now, allowing a lot more visibility than the JK, which had part of the rear windshield blocked by the tire, and another part obscured by the wiper motor.
I think there were others, but I can't think of them at the moment.
Def
Post by: ThundahBeagle on October 08, 2018, 05:14:54 PM
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Hi Def,
Not owning a Wrangler myself, I've picked up an 80-page sales brochure (booklet?) From the dealer. Genuinely curious to know: what in your opinion are the specific updates that Jeep has included in the JL that Wrangler owners have been wanting?
Trying to make some decisions over here.
Thanks
[/quote]
Off the top of my head....
LED headlights
More engine options (diesel and hybrid engines not available yet)
Removable hard top windows/easier to manage hard top
The rear wiper motor is behind the spare tire now, allowing a lot more visibility than the JK, which had part of the rear windshield blocked by the tire, and another part obscured by the wiper motor.
I think there were others, but I can't think of them at the moment.
Def
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LED headlights I can definitely get behind. More light and reliability less electrical energy consumption is a real plus.
Roof..I saw a new one and I do like the "targa" roof style. Smart move there, I agree
That rear wiper motor thing makes sense as well.
I think the lighter, aluminum doors make a lot of sense, too.
I'm not a big fan of practically having an iPad glued to the center of the dash - I think all controls of a rough and tumble vehicle should be tactile - but I understand that this is the way it is if they want to compete in the world today.
I would prefer full gaged instruments instead of half analog, half digital, but I'm glad they kept a 4x4 shifter instead of going to the knob like everyone else.
Post by: derekmac on October 08, 2018, 11:40:35 PM
Yep, I can't wait to get everything installed. I have a bit of work to do on the passenger side coil bucket, so I'll be able to get that fixed up then as well.I have the 1.25 BL and 1" MML installed now. I also have a set of Rock Krawler 3.5" triple rate front coil springs on the way, which should have the front end sitting how I want it.
Next weekend I'll be installing my JKS front track bar and the springs.
Exciting stuff Derek!
My next round of work on the WJ will be complete drag link and complete tie rod and sleeve replacement, followed by lower front control arms. Got all the parts in the back of the WJ now.
My WJ had the axle side track bar bolt hole wallowed out some, so make sure to check yours when you have it apart. I drilled mine out to the next size up and didn't have any issues with it afterwards.
Post by: ThundahBeagle on October 09, 2018, 03:53:50 AM
Yep, I can't wait to get everything installed. I have a bit of work to do on the passenger side coil bucket, so I'll be able to get that fixed up then as well.I have the 1.25 BL and 1" MML installed now. I also have a set of Rock Krawler 3.5" triple rate front coil springs on the way, which should have the front end sitting how I want it.
Next weekend I'll be installing my JKS front track bar and the springs.
Exciting stuff Derek!
My next round of work on the WJ will be complete drag link and complete tie rod and sleeve replacement, followed by lower front control arms. Got all the parts in the back of the WJ now.
My WJ had the axle side track bar bolt hole wallowed out some, so make sure to check yours when you have it apart. I drilled mine out to the next size up and didn't have any issues with it afterwards.
For reasons better left alone, I got a very late start today. And when I did get going on the project I discovered I needed a new grease gun and on and on, delays ad nauseum.
Finally around 3pm was jacking the WJ up. I had a grease fitting on the pitman-arm-end of the draglink, but none on the other end, so I snuck a needle in there and greased that end up anyway.
Having it all greased up, I started taking the old one off. Good thing I sprayed some PB Blaster in there a couple days ago. Cotter pins came out well enough, as did the castle nuts, although I had to use a long handle gooseneck boxhead wrench on the driver side. Not much room there.
The killer was just separating the drag link from the pitman arm. Different angles. Spun the pickle fork around a couple times. Knuckle busted a lot with that 3 pound short hammer. 3 pounds doesn't sound like much until you are wailin on it all you can trying to hit a half inch head. For the life of me I can't explain why pickle forks aren't made with a buckler or shield like a jousting stick has, or like a slide hammer has but just to guard your hands.
At length, I did remove the entire old drag link and tried to measure the new one up to it best I could. I lost the measurement letting the ends twirl around to fit into the pitman arm, but the draglink - and only the draglink - ultimately got done.
I may have over-greased, as some squirted out the edges of the boot when I tightened everything down, but...
Anyway I tested it going slowly up the highway, then incrementally faster. It was raining and a lot of folks were returning from the Columbus Day long weekend, so I had to be extra careful.
What a difference just the drag link has made! After the springs, shocks, and sway bar links were done, it was great around town. But on the highway, I could only do about 50mph tops, as any sequence of bumps, road ripples or potholes I hit made it feel like the wheels were gonna fly off in opposite directions. Now, with the drag link also done, I was eventually flying up and down the highway at 75 mph quite confidently.
DEREK - I checked the trackball in an initial rudimentary way, and there is just no play in that thing. I have heard of the bolt hole wallowing out and needing to be replaced with heavier hardware, but I just had no movement there so I opted to change the drag link since I could rotate it on the long axis simply by climbing under and grabbing it.
This thing almost handles like new now. The tires are a bit iffy, so I attribute any slight vibrations to them. But no more death wobble on potholes at 55mph.
Now, I still have the entire tie rod assembly so I am going to do that. And I picked up lower control arms, so those will get done as well. I hope to do them this week.
But for now, yay!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 11, 2018, 07:44:11 PM
Hi Def,
Not owning a Wrangler myself, I've picked up an 80-page sales brochure (booklet?) From the dealer. Genuinely curious to know: what in your opinion are the specific updates that Jeep has included in the JL that Wrangler owners have been wanting?
Trying to make some decisions over here.
Thanks
[/quote]
Off the top of my head....
LED headlights
More engine options (diesel and hybrid engines not available yet)
Removable hard top windows/easier to manage hard top
The rear wiper motor is behind the spare tire now, allowing a lot more visibility than the JK, which had part of the rear windshield blocked by the tire, and another part obscured by the wiper motor.
I think there were others, but I can't think of them at the moment.
Def
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LED headlights I can definitely get behind. More light and reliability less electrical energy consumption is a real plus.
Roof..I saw a new one and I do like the "targa" roof style. Smart move there, I agree
That rear wiper motor thing makes sense as well.
I think the lighter, aluminum doors make a lot of sense, too.
I'm not a big fan of practically having an iPad glued to the center of the dash - I think all controls of a rough and tumble vehicle should be tactile - but I understand that this is the way it is if they want to compete in the world today.
I would prefer full gaged instruments instead of half analog, half digital, but I'm glad they kept a 4x4 shifter instead of going to the knob like everyone else.
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I have the 430N stereo from the factory and I loved it- or at least I did until the GPS software croaked, a common problem with them. I am going to replace it with an Android head unit because I like having the info center, NAV screen etc. Get a Bluetooth OBD scanner and install Torque (or similar engine management software) and you will have full access to your car's ECM to reset trouble lights, map shift points... whatever you want, right from the dash.
You can probably blame Canada for all vehicles having the screen nowadays. As of 2018 I believe all new vehicles sold in Canada are required to have a backup camera for safety.
Def
Post by: ThundahBeagle on October 15, 2018, 05:00:20 AM
I just finished replacing the entire tie rod assembly in my WJ. Last week I did the entire drag link.
This thing is riding almost like new. A very gentle pull to the right on the highway, though, unfortunately. But after I replace the control arms and get new tires, I will have a professional alignment done
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 15, 2018, 07:02:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j3s72Ky9hI&feature=youtu.be
Def
Post by: derekmac on November 27, 2018, 01:46:48 AM
The whole point of this is to be able to run long travel shocks. Right now I'm lifted 3.5", and running 8" travel shocks. I could run longer, but I'd have to add bump stop which would limit the up travel, and it would bottom out just driving on the street. Outboadring would allow me to run 12" travel shocks, and retain (or even gain) up travel, and gain a lot of down travel.
Post by: WECSOG on November 27, 2018, 04:09:21 AM
Btw, original jeeps not only didn't say JEEP on the hood; they didn't say it anywhere else either.
Post by: dks on December 09, 2018, 09:29:30 AM
New Wrangler crash test rating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnlxAVeVt_U
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 09, 2018, 12:47:13 PM
Def
Post by: dks on December 09, 2018, 04:39:16 PM
I am sure compared to older Jeeps it must be an improvement, as with any modern car. Even if they improve that passive safety the actual cabin seems to be problematic, if you like living.
Apparently your legs get crumpled, so you will die from blood loss, which may be important.
If your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/partner buys you one, be worried.
The Jeep PR machine must be really good, as it has not really been made public, for some reason.
Post by: WECSOG on January 15, 2019, 06:00:34 AM
I saw a Wagoneer (the full size, real Wagoneer) that looked like it had flown off a cliff, flipped and rolled multiple times. Every panel was flattened. But the passenger compartment was 100% intact. As long as the occupants were wearing their seatbelts, they probably survived.
I myself was in a crash while driving a full size Wagoneer. I was going about 45 mph when another car hit me right in the driver's door. That was bad enough, but it forced me off the road where I slammed head on into a tree, slightly off center to the driver's side, again at 45 mph. The Jeep hit so hard that it spun around the tree. The driver's side door wouldn't open, so I opened the passenger side and climbed out.
The Jeep was totaled, of course. But the only injury I sustained were some scratches on my right hand where it slammed into the radio.
Post by: lister on January 15, 2019, 10:59:33 AM
I myself was in a crash while driving a full size Wagoneer. I was going about 45 mph when another car hit me right in the driver's door. That was bad enough, but it forced me off the road where I slammed head on into a tree, slightly off center to the driver's side, again at 45 mph. The Jeep hit so hard that it spun around the tree. The driver's side door wouldn't open, so I opened the passenger side and climbed out.
The Jeep was totaled, of course. But the only injury I sustained were some scratches on my right hand where it slammed into the radio.
For side collision you need one of these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjjV6nGh0g
I bet those huge tires make a great bumper. :D
Post by: dks on January 15, 2019, 04:59:45 PM
I will be surprised if they ace the US tests without any major redesigns.
If they redesign the vehicle, because of the EuroNCAP test, making it safer, then we all win, including Jeep.
Post by: WECSOG on January 16, 2019, 05:49:11 AM
I myself was in a crash while driving a full size Wagoneer. I was going about 45 mph when another car hit me right in the driver's door. That was bad enough, but it forced me off the road where I slammed head on into a tree, slightly off center to the driver's side, again at 45 mph. The Jeep hit so hard that it spun around the tree. The driver's side door wouldn't open, so I opened the passenger side and climbed out.
The Jeep was totaled, of course. But the only injury I sustained were some scratches on my right hand where it slammed into the radio.
For side collision you need one of these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjjV6nGh0g
I bet those huge tires make a great bumper. :D
I want one! :gimme: :like:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 16, 2019, 11:47:04 AM
The second time was about a year ago, in my JKU. I was rear ended by a Kia Rio, which was then rear ended by another Kia Rio. Both Rios were written off and I drove home with no appreciable damage, and, more importantly, the mass of the Jeep absorbed enough of the impact that I did not hit the vehicle in front of me, despite multiple impacts from the rear. And, the Kias didn't even make it to my bumper, the one that hit me impaled itself on my trailer hitch.
The crash tests and safety ratings can say what they like, I (unfortunately) have practical experience that makes me confident in my Jeep's safety abilities. The stamped steel body on heavy truck frame may not be the lightest or most fuel efficient, but I have confidence that if I am involved in a high speed collision, I am likely to walk away- and if I don't, chances are no one else will either.
Def
Post by: dks on January 16, 2019, 01:43:21 PM
I had a few crashes with heavy body on frame vehicles (pickups and off roaders) and came out OK, but I am not against them getting safer, as expected by most people in 2019.
Jeep has no real incentive to make their cars safer if the buyers are happy with the safety rating it gets. Safer, does not mean removing the off road ability.
Post by: lister on January 16, 2019, 03:58:33 PM
I want one! :gimme: :like:
:iagree:
But you could buy a small house for the price of two... :ahhh
Post by: dks on January 16, 2019, 06:02:34 PM
The best looking Cherokee generation, in my opinion.
Post by: WECSOG on January 16, 2019, 07:23:42 PM
I have been in two accidents with Jeeps. The first was in my TJ when I hit a patch of ice and slid into the bumper of a Honda CRV in front of me. Both cars were driveable, the impact was less than 10mph, and it folded my fender slightly. It caused $4500 damage to the CRV. :facepalm:
The second time was about a year ago, in my JKU. I was rear ended by a Kia Rio, which was then rear ended by another Kia Rio. Both Rios were written off and I drove home with no appreciable damage, and, more importantly, the mass of the Jeep absorbed enough of the impact that I did not hit the vehicle in front of me, despite multiple impacts from the rear. And, the Kias didn't even make it to my bumper, the one that hit me impaled itself on my trailer hitch.
The crash tests and safety ratings can say what they like, I (unfortunately) have practical experience that makes me confident in my Jeep's safety abilities. The stamped steel body on heavy truck frame may not be the lightest or most fuel efficient, but I have confidence that if I am involved in a high speed collision, I am likely to walk away- and if I don't, chances are no one else will either.
Def
:iagree: :like:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 16, 2019, 07:47:02 PM
I am reminded of people saying that old cars were safer, because the metal they used was thicker. Basically, it absorbed less of the crash and transferred the force of the impact to the passengers, but the car looked fine, in lower speed collisions.
I had a few crashes with heavy body on frame vehicles (pickups and off roaders) and came out OK, but I am not against them getting safer, as expected by most people in 2019.
Jeep has no real incentive to make their cars safer if the buyers are happy with the safety rating it gets. Safer, does not mean removing the off road ability.
For higher speed collisions I suppose I could agree with you. The crumple zones in modern cars absorb a lot of energy that the meat puppet inside doesn't have to, and that's a good thing. But, in low speed collisions like mine where I was fully supported by the seat (at least when rear ended) I think I'd rather have had a solid vehicle than stand out in the cold rain waiting for someone to pick me up like the other people had to do.
That having been said, my Jeep is so solid that the other car becomes the crumple zone for it....
Def
Post by: WECSOG on January 16, 2019, 07:51:33 PM
I am reminded of people saying that old cars were safer, because the metal they used was thicker. Basically, it absorbed less of the crash and transferred the force of the impact to the passengers, but the car looked fine, in lower speed collisions.
I had a few crashes with heavy body on frame vehicles (pickups and off roaders) and came out OK, but I am not against them getting safer, as expected by most people in 2019.
Jeep has no real incentive to make their cars safer if the buyers are happy with the safety rating it gets. Safer, does not mean removing the off road ability.
Are you against those of us who actually like what little remains of the attributes of the original jeep design having one vehicle remaining to us that we can buy?
I have a JKU Wrangler. I also have a CJ-7. And I have a CJ2A, and an MB. I like the Wrangler. I like the CJ-7 more. I like the CJ2A more than the CJ-7, and I like the MB most of all. I have zero intention of ever buying the new "upgraded" version of the Wrangler; it has finally crossed the line as far as I am concerned.
Anyone coming around here with the intention of making my MB or any of my CJs "safer" is gonna have trouble from me, the owner of said vehicles.
Maybe we should collectively look into making all new motorcycles have impact-resistant bubbles surrounding them, plus airbags, seatbelts and computer controls to ensure that the bike won't start unless the prospective rider is wearing all the latest safety equipment.
Ya know, thinking about all the "safety upgrades" that are being applied to new vehicles reminds me of one that more and more new cars are being equipped with: automatic notifications and even brakes if you get within a few feet of the car ahead. Yeah, I can see that making us all so much safer by training young drivers to rely on that new technology, following even more closely than they already do and looking up from their entertainment devices even less often. ::)
Post by: dks on January 16, 2019, 08:04:05 PM
A bigger car at the same speed will need to lose more energy, thus needing a stronger better body.
Crashing between cars is different as the cars can transfer energy/momentum between them. The force between them will be equal, but the larger car, designed to absorb a larger amount of energy, so as to be able to crash on walls, will generally be less affected than the smaller one that is designed to absorb less energy crashing on wall.
There are various equations on collisions and conservation of momentum and energy, but generally the larger car wins. Basically, if you crash with a lorry, irrespective of how safe your car is, you will lose.
That is why everybody tries SUVs these day, trying to be that bigger car that wins.
Post by: dks on January 16, 2019, 08:19:22 PM
However, Jeep that was saved only a few years ago by the US citizens, through a bailout, has produced in 2019 a car that is practically unsaleable to anybody that does not for some reason want just the Wrangler but is comparing various vehicles. They have lost the European market, for example.
Safety sells and is important to many buyers, which is why all companies, Jeep included advertise the safety of their vehicles.
You can make a car get 3, 4 stars without using many electronic automations in it.
Making it safe and more attractive to buyers does not mean that it will not off road as well. The Wrangler already has loads of electronics in it anyway, especially in the more expensive models.
Saying that Jeep is doing well offering their customers that level of safety, in 2019, does not encourage them to do better, and get more customers, and be safer and not end up bankrupt again.
I want Jeep to build and sell many cars. Good cars, respecting the customer,
Post by: WECSOG on January 17, 2019, 12:04:07 AM
Customers who don't want those things have plenty of other options to choose from, including Jeep-badged options like the Grand Cherokee. Supposedly Grand Cherokees, Toyota FJ Cruisers (which have nothing to do with the real FJ Toyota Land Cruiser other than the name), the Nissan Xterra (at least they didn't call it a Patrol), etc. do fine offroad. I guess that really depends on how serious you are and what kind of off road performance you expect. None of them can touch a Wrangler Rubicon. And a Rubicon can't touch a flatfender Willys with Detroit Lockers.
I wouldn't want to take that flatty on the freeway. But everything's not about freeway travel. I wouldn't want to take my TW200 on the freeway either, yet Yamaha still sells them.
Post by: ThundahBeagle on January 19, 2019, 04:30:40 PM
Where the hell do you put the CB in a new Wrangler? Ya, ya, wedge it here or there, but in the CJ and even the YJ, you had lots of space for something like that.
I'd love to get another K1500 Blazer from the 90's. In fact, I'd rather have a 90's big Blazer over today's Wrangler. (except the Wrangler is still one of the few vehicles that can be got with standard shift).
The fuel economy between a new Wrangler and a new Ford F-150 is practically the same, and you get so much more people AND cargo space with the pickup
I don't know. I'm rambling.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 20, 2019, 02:01:46 AM
It's not just Jeep that has uses newer tech.... :P
Def
Post by: WECSOG on January 20, 2019, 05:23:56 AM
Wranglers are great, for sure. And even the new Wranglers are great. Best 4x4 out of the box. But I agree to some extent with Wes. They have packed so much electronics into the new ones, of course needing to appeal to the younger audience. And they have done silly things as well, such as swelling the interior door handle pods for no obvious reason. Creating a center stack that doesnt really need to be there...This type of move takes up interior space for no obvious reason, making the interior less roomy for all practical matters.
Where the hell do you put the CB in a new Wrangler? Ya, ya, wedge it here or there, but in the CJ and even the YJ, you had lots of space for something like that.
I'd love to get another K1500 Blazer from the 90's. In fact, I'd rather have a 90's big Blazer over today's Wrangler. (except the Wrangler is still one of the few vehicles that can be got with standard shift).
The fuel economy between a new Wrangler and a new Ford F-150 is practically the same, and you get so much more people AND cargo space with the pickup
I don't know. I'm rambling.
I agree, older Jeeps are much better and everything is getting too bloated and electronically controlled. I got the simplest JK I could, manual transmission etc, but had to accept power windows. I expect it will be my last new Jeep, or new vehicle of any type. But at least Wranglers still have solid axles front and rear.
You're right about space for radios, too. I'm a ham and GMRS operator so that's definitely a consideration. I might remove the center console and build a new, more radio-friendly console.
Post by: ThundahBeagle on January 20, 2019, 03:06:21 PM
I have a Cobra 75 CB in mine. There's no head unit, everything is built into the mic. I have it wired into my center console, so I pull it out when I want/need a CB, pack it away invisibly when I don't.
It's not just Jeep that has uses newer tech.... :P
Def
You are right about that. My old full sized Chevy Blazer IS no more, and now I can't even find a Chevy Pickup or Tahoe that doesn't have an iPad in the center of the dash.
I'm OK with some of the new technology, I just lament that it means that there is no place to relax your legs. I could put one foot out my drivers window, or on the dash to the left of the steering wheel though I know it's unwise. I also used to sometimes rest a foot up on the center hump near the 4x4 floor shifter, near the CB.
There's just no room for that anymore and Chevy wants to put an air dam a mere 2 inches from the ground on a full sized truck. Idiocy.
So I'm looking for like a 5 year old Ford f150, or Silverado, in new condition, with a focus on off road editions as they seem to be more like what a regular truck used to be
Post by: ThundahBeagle on January 20, 2019, 03:09:10 PM
Wranglers are great, for sure. And even the new Wranglers are great. Best 4x4 out of the box. But I agree to some extent with Wes. They have packed so much electronics into the new ones, of course needing to appeal to the younger audience. And they have done silly things as well, such as swelling the interior door handle pods for no obvious reason. Creating a center stack that doesnt really need to be there...This type of move takes up interior space for no obvious reason, making the interior less roomy for all practical matters.
Where the hell do you put the CB in a new Wrangler? Ya, ya, wedge it here or there, but in the CJ and even the YJ, you had lots of space for something like that.
I'd love to get another K1500 Blazer from the 90's. In fact, I'd rather have a 90's big Blazer over today's Wrangler. (except the Wrangler is still one of the few vehicles that can be got with standard shift).
The fuel economy between a new Wrangler and a new Ford F-150 is practically the same, and you get so much more people AND cargo space with the pickup
I don't know. I'm rambling.
I agree, older Jeeps are much better and everything is getting too bloated and electronically controlled. I got the simplest JK I could, manual transmission etc, but had to accept power windows. I expect it will be my last new Jeep, or new vehicle of any type. But at least Wranglers still have solid axles front and rear.
You're right about space for radios, too. I'm a ham and GMRS operator so that's definitely a consideration. I might remove the center console and build a new, more radio-friendly console.
The new Jeeps also seem good, but again, the iPad screen and the fact that they try to create managed space instead of having a freely flowing open cabin
I know you can still get a brand new Sport model that is standard shift and hand crank windows. You may want to take a look.
To be honest, I'm less a fan of the cameras and such, but the navigation comes in handy, but there's nothing that says you have to use it.
Post by: WECSOG on January 20, 2019, 05:10:27 PM
Wranglers are great, for sure. And even the new Wranglers are great. Best 4x4 out of the box. But I agree to some extent with Wes. They have packed so much electronics into the new ones, of course needing to appeal to the younger audience. And they have done silly things as well, such as swelling the interior door handle pods for no obvious reason. Creating a center stack that doesnt really need to be there...This type of move takes up interior space for no obvious reason, making the interior less roomy for all practical matters.
Where the hell do you put the CB in a new Wrangler? Ya, ya, wedge it here or there, but in the CJ and even the YJ, you had lots of space for something like that.
I'd love to get another K1500 Blazer from the 90's. In fact, I'd rather have a 90's big Blazer over today's Wrangler. (except the Wrangler is still one of the few vehicles that can be got with standard shift).
The fuel economy between a new Wrangler and a new Ford F-150 is practically the same, and you get so much more people AND cargo space with the pickup
I don't know. I'm rambling.
I agree, older Jeeps are much better and everything is getting too bloated and electronically controlled. I got the simplest JK I could, manual transmission etc, but had to accept power windows. I expect it will be my last new Jeep, or new vehicle of any type. But at least Wranglers still have solid axles front and rear.
You're right about space for radios, too. I'm a ham and GMRS operator so that's definitely a consideration. I might remove the center console and build a new, more radio-friendly console.
The new Jeeps also seem good, but again, the iPad screen and the fact that they try to create managed space instead of having a freely flowing open cabin
I know you can still get a brand new Sport model that is standard shift and hand crank windows. You may want to take a look.
To be honest, I'm less a fan of the cameras and such, but the navigation comes in handy, but there's nothing that says you have to use it.
Nope. No more new vehicles for me. For the 30K+ that a new Wrangler costs I can put Dana 60s front and rear, lockers, new NV4500, Atlas transfer case, 4BT Cummins, new winch, brand new remote mount HF/VHF/UHF radios, great stereo, new top, secure lockable storage, tools, etc. for my old JKU and have plenty of money left over. And have a much better vehicle.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 21, 2019, 12:08:20 PM
I doubt very much that a new Jeep is in my future, although I may consider one of the new Gladiators when they come out. That loses me a bit of the internal storage space that I like, but more than doubles my towing capacity. I find the 3500lbs towing capacity of my JKU to be too limiting, and the 7600 lbs towing capacity of the Gladiator seems a lot more reasonable.
Still, I am leaning a lot more towards an F-150, although I will say I have also been leaning towards a used E-350 or E-450 van. If I do that, I will have to get a 4x4 conversion done on it, which is why I'd go used instead of new. The only real issue with doing that is the large interior cargo area takes forever to heat up in the winter! :ahhh
Def
Post by: WECSOG on January 21, 2019, 03:59:46 PM
As I near 200,000kms on my JKU I am starting to wonder if I should start thinking about a new vehicle. I do a lot of mileage (my JKU is one week shy of being 6 years old) and I depend on it for work. It is't giving me any problems yet, but I have to wonder if/when they are going to start.
I doubt very much that a new Jeep is in my future, although I may consider one of the new Gladiators when they come out. That loses me a bit of the internal storage space that I like, but more than doubles my towing capacity. I find the 3500lbs towing capacity of my JKU to be too limiting, and the 7600 lbs towing capacity of the Gladiator seems a lot more reasonable.
Still, I am leaning a lot more towards an F-150, although I will say I have also been leaning towards a used E-350 or E-450 van. If I do that, I will have to get a 4x4 conversion done on it, which is why I'd go used instead of new. The only real issue with doing that is the large interior cargo area takes forever to heat up in the winter! :ahhh
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I like your thinking, Def. A diesel E-450 4x4 would be awesome! :like:
Post by: ThundahBeagle on January 21, 2019, 05:11:30 PM
As I near 200,000kms on my JKU I am starting to wonder if I should start thinking about a new vehicle. I do a lot of mileage (my JKU is one week shy of being 6 years old) and I depend on it for work. It is't giving me any problems yet, but I have to wonder if/when they are going to start.
I doubt very much that a new Jeep is in my future, although I may consider one of the new Gladiators when they come out. That loses me a bit of the internal storage space that I like, but more than doubles my towing capacity. I find the 3500lbs towing capacity of my JKU to be too limiting, and the 7600 lbs towing capacity of the Gladiator seems a lot more reasonable.
Still, I am leaning a lot more towards an F-150, although I will say I have also been leaning towards a used E-350 or E-450 van. If I do that, I will have to get a 4x4 conversion done on it, which is why I'd go used instead of new. The only real issue with doing that is the large interior cargo area takes forever to heat up in the winter! :ahhh
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Nice. I've seen some Ford Econoline van 4x4 conversions. It's like driving an ark around. Such a great idea! I'd love to do that.
Keep in mind with heating, you can set a curtain between driving area and cargo. And also you can run a bit or flexible duct to the back and sort of zone the heat a bit
Post by: ThundahBeagle on January 21, 2019, 05:14:23 PM
Wranglers are great, for sure. And even the new Wranglers are great. Best 4x4 out of the box. But I agree to some extent with Wes. They have packed so much electronics into the new ones, of course needing to appeal to the younger audience. And they have done silly things as well, such as swelling the interior door handle pods for no obvious reason. Creating a center stack that doesnt really need to be there...This type of move takes up interior space for no obvious reason, making the interior less roomy for all practical matters.
Where the hell do you put the CB in a new Wrangler? Ya, ya, wedge it here or there, but in the CJ and even the YJ, you had lots of space for something like that.
I'd love to get another K1500 Blazer from the 90's. In fact, I'd rather have a 90's big Blazer over today's Wrangler. (except the Wrangler is still one of the few vehicles that can be got with standard shift).
The fuel economy between a new Wrangler and a new Ford F-150 is practically the same, and you get so much more people AND cargo space with the pickup
I don't know. I'm rambling.
I agree, older Jeeps are much better and everything is getting too bloated and electronically controlled. I got the simplest JK I could, manual transmission etc, but had to accept power windows. I expect it will be my last new Jeep, or new vehicle of any type. But at least Wranglers still have solid axles front and rear.
You're right about space for radios, too. I'm a ham and GMRS operator so that's definitely a consideration. I might remove the center console and build a new, more radio-friendly console.
The new Jeeps also seem good, but again, the iPad screen and the fact that they try to create managed space instead of having a freely flowing open cabin
I know you can still get a brand new Sport model that is standard shift and hand crank windows. You may want to take a look.
To be honest, I'm less a fan of the cameras and such, but the navigation comes in handy, but there's nothing that says you have to use it.
Nope. No more new vehicles for me. For the 30K+ that a new Wrangler costs I can put Dana 60s front and rear, lockers, new NV4500, Atlas transfer case, 4BT Cummins, new winch, brand new remote mount HF/VHF/UHF radios, great stereo, new top, secure lockable storage, tools, etc. for my old JKU and have plenty of money left over. And have a much better vehicle.
WEC, that is exactly the kind of thinking that has me searching for yet another full sized Chevy Blazer or 80'something to 90's Ford Bronco.
I don't have near the mechanical or radio experience you have, but I'm building on that
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 21, 2019, 11:15:31 PM
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Post by: WECSOG on January 21, 2019, 11:19:31 PM
As I near 200,000kms on my JKU I am starting to wonder if I should start thinking about a new vehicle. I do a lot of mileage (my JKU is one week shy of being 6 years old) and I depend on it for work. It is't giving me any problems yet, but I have to wonder if/when they are going to start.
I doubt very much that a new Jeep is in my future, although I may consider one of the new Gladiators when they come out. That loses me a bit of the internal storage space that I like, but more than doubles my towing capacity. I find the 3500lbs towing capacity of my JKU to be too limiting, and the 7600 lbs towing capacity of the Gladiator seems a lot more reasonable.
Still, I am leaning a lot more towards an F-150, although I will say I have also been leaning towards a used E-350 or E-450 van. If I do that, I will have to get a 4x4 conversion done on it, which is why I'd go used instead of new. The only real issue with doing that is the large interior cargo area takes forever to heat up in the winter! :ahhh
Def
Nice. I've seen some Ford Econoline van 4x4 conversions. It's like driving an ark around. Such a great idea! I'd love to do that.
Keep in mind with heating, you can set a curtain between driving area and cargo. And also you can run a bit or flexible duct to the back and sort of zone the heat a bit
Some vans have rear heat and air, too. I have a Dodge van that's like that.
Post by: WECSOG on January 21, 2019, 11:21:54 PM
Wranglers are great, for sure. And even the new Wranglers are great. Best 4x4 out of the box. But I agree to some extent with Wes. They have packed so much electronics into the new ones, of course needing to appeal to the younger audience. And they have done silly things as well, such as swelling the interior door handle pods for no obvious reason. Creating a center stack that doesnt really need to be there...This type of move takes up interior space for no obvious reason, making the interior less roomy for all practical matters.
Where the hell do you put the CB in a new Wrangler? Ya, ya, wedge it here or there, but in the CJ and even the YJ, you had lots of space for something like that.
I'd love to get another K1500 Blazer from the 90's. In fact, I'd rather have a 90's big Blazer over today's Wrangler. (except the Wrangler is still one of the few vehicles that can be got with standard shift).
The fuel economy between a new Wrangler and a new Ford F-150 is practically the same, and you get so much more people AND cargo space with the pickup
I don't know. I'm rambling.
I agree, older Jeeps are much better and everything is getting too bloated and electronically controlled. I got the simplest JK I could, manual transmission etc, but had to accept power windows. I expect it will be my last new Jeep, or new vehicle of any type. But at least Wranglers still have solid axles front and rear.
You're right about space for radios, too. I'm a ham and GMRS operator so that's definitely a consideration. I might remove the center console and build a new, more radio-friendly console.
The new Jeeps also seem good, but again, the iPad screen and the fact that they try to create managed space instead of having a freely flowing open cabin
I know you can still get a brand new Sport model that is standard shift and hand crank windows. You may want to take a look.
To be honest, I'm less a fan of the cameras and such, but the navigation comes in handy, but there's nothing that says you have to use it.
Nope. No more new vehicles for me. For the 30K+ that a new Wrangler costs I can put Dana 60s front and rear, lockers, new NV4500, Atlas transfer case, 4BT Cummins, new winch, brand new remote mount HF/VHF/UHF radios, great stereo, new top, secure lockable storage, tools, etc. for my old JKU and have plenty of money left over. And have a much better vehicle.
WEC, that is exactly the kind of thinking that has me searching for yet another full sized Chevy Blazer or 80'something to 90's Ford Bronco.
I don't have near the mechanical or radio experience you have, but I'm building on that
:like: Yeah, building it is a big part of the hobby for me. There are lots of guys out there with way more expertise than me, though. I know just enough to know which boxes to check!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 22, 2019, 12:28:19 PM
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Post by: dks on January 22, 2019, 12:38:34 PM
In your new line of work, and age, you may be able to get something softer and still be satisfied.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 22, 2019, 12:57:27 PM
This was largely reinforced in my mind when I saw a car on the back of a flatdeck truck with a completely buckled front suspension and the fender sitting directly on the tire. I was reminded of all the times that I have seen that situation. If normal conditions around here kill IFS in a normal car then I will stick to my solid axles.
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Post by: WECSOG on January 22, 2019, 04:24:17 PM
Last week as I was driving down the pier in the freezing rain, alternating between hitting sheer ice and 8-10 inch deep puddles, many of which were hiding potholes and rail lines all I could think of was "smurf I am glad I have a Jeep."Same here. Lorries don't have IFS, do they? :iagree: :like:
This was largely reinforced in my mind when I saw a car on the back of a flatdeck truck with a completely buckled front suspension and the fender sitting directly on the tire. I was reminded of all the times that I have seen that situation. If normal conditions around here kill IFS in a normal car then I will stick to my solid axles.
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Post by: CallsignBadger on January 22, 2019, 04:29:11 PM
You need to think if you still need solid axles on both ends and a body on frame.
In your new line of work, and age, you may be able to get something softer and still be satisfied.
:iagree:
And a lot of vans don’t come stock with 4wd as well.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 22, 2019, 10:22:00 PM
Last week as I was driving down the pier in the freezing rain, alternating between hitting sheer ice and 8-10 inch deep puddles, many of which were hiding potholes and rail lines all I could think of was "smurf I am glad I have a Jeep."Same here. Lorries don't have IFS, do they? :iagree: :like:
This was largely reinforced in my mind when I saw a car on the back of a flatdeck truck with a completely buckled front suspension and the fender sitting directly on the tire. I was reminded of all the times that I have seen that situation. If normal conditions around here kill IFS in a normal car then I will stick to my solid axles.
Def
Most pickups nowadays have IFS, but I have yet to see any of them fail. Still, I will take a solid axle any day of the week. The front end of my Jeep would have been on the ground long ago if it had IFS.
And no, most vans don't come standard with a solid axle, nor do they usually come as a 4x4, but luckily there are kits for both, and they usually go hand in hand. That's why I'd be looking for a used van versus a new one, as I would end up spending a lot more money once I got it.
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Post by: WECSOG on January 23, 2019, 05:19:14 AM
Last week as I was driving down the pier in the freezing rain, alternating between hitting sheer ice and 8-10 inch deep puddles, many of which were hiding potholes and rail lines all I could think of was "smurf I am glad I have a Jeep."Same here. Lorries don't have IFS, do they? :iagree: :like:
This was largely reinforced in my mind when I saw a car on the back of a flatdeck truck with a completely buckled front suspension and the fender sitting directly on the tire. I was reminded of all the times that I have seen that situation. If normal conditions around here kill IFS in a normal car then I will stick to my solid axles.
Def
Most pickups nowadays have IFS, but I have yet to see any of them fail. Still, I will take a solid axle any day of the week. The front end of my Jeep would have been on the ground long ago if it had IFS.
And no, most vans don't come standard with a solid axle, nor do they usually come as a 4x4, but luckily there are kits for both, and they usually go hand in hand. That's why I'd be looking for a used van versus a new one, as I would end up spending a lot more money once I got it.
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I'm not talking about pickups; I'm talking about commercial trucks. My point is that there's a reason they don't have IFS. I have seen IFS fail. Solid axles last longer, are more rugged and work much better offroad.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 23, 2019, 11:04:21 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 23, 2019, 12:27:11 PM
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Post by: WECSOG on January 23, 2019, 06:16:51 PM
IFS strikes again!
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:o :rofl:
Post by: dks on January 24, 2019, 10:50:36 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 24, 2019, 03:55:43 PM
I used to, back when I also had a wife.
The difference is mass- a Jeep has a lot more of it than a Golf. The Jeep is somewhere in the neighborhood of 4,400lbs versus the Golf which is under 3,000lbs. The difference in the impact of hitting a pothole at 100kms/hr with almost 1,500lbs in the difference is significant. IMHO, they can only barely make IFS strong enough for a small car, but they would have to scale it up exponentially for my Jeep. At that point, why bother, why not just put in a solid axle instead? There would be no weight savings by the time they made a strong enough IFS.
Further, I have a paranoia that IFS can potentially cause a lot more damage to valuable engine and drive line components. Look at this diagram I lifted from a Hilux site:
(https://www.hilux4x4.co.za/SFAvsIFS/IFS_vs_SFA.jpg)
With a solid front axle your precious engine is always off the ground. If you bottom out your suspension it just means that the chassis hits the axle and stays off the harsh and unfriendly rocks.The fragile mechanical bits will never be lower than your axle, unless of course you have a serious mechanical issue, in which case you aren't driving home anyway.
The same situation with IFS can potentially allow things like your soft and easily destroyed oil pan to hit the ground. That seems like a really bad thing, and it's not really limited to off road concerns.
:D
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Post by: CallsignBadger on January 24, 2019, 04:13:34 PM
Post by: WECSOG on January 25, 2019, 04:29:28 AM
Nope.
I used to, back when I also had a wife.
The difference is mass- a Jeep has a lot more of it than a Golf. The Jeep is somewhere in the neighborhood of 4,400lbs versus the Golf which is under 3,000lbs. The difference in the impact of hitting a pothole at 100kms/hr with almost 1,500lbs in the difference is significant. IMHO, they can only barely make IFS strong enough for a small car, but they would have to scale it up exponentially for my Jeep. At that point, why bother, why not just put in a solid axle instead? There would be no weight savings by the time they made a strong enough IFS.
Further, I have a paranoia that IFS can potentially cause a lot more damage to valuable engine and drive line components. Look at this diagram I lifted from a Hilux site:
(https://www.hilux4x4.co.za/SFAvsIFS/IFS_vs_SFA.jpg)
With a solid front axle your precious engine is always off the ground. If you bottom out your suspension it just means that the chassis hits the axle and stays off the harsh and unfriendly rocks.The fragile mechanical bits will never be lower than your axle, unless of course you have a serious mechanical issue, in which case you aren't driving home anyway.
The same situation with IFS can potentially allow things like your soft and easily destroyed oil pan to hit the ground. That seems like a really bad thing, and it's not really limited to off road concerns.
:D
Def
:iagree: :like: Solid axles also have much better articulation, which might not be important onroad but is very important offroad. And by offroad I mean seriously rough terrain; not just dirt roads.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 26, 2019, 05:27:55 PM
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Post by: WECSOG on January 27, 2019, 01:46:24 AM
Post by: derekmac on February 05, 2019, 10:27:28 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 06, 2019, 11:48:45 AM
Plus the average driver can't afford the level of maintenance that something like that receives! :P
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Post by: dks on February 06, 2019, 01:07:35 PM
IRS is a pain but it seems to be popular with new offroaders, so they must have it under control in some way.
The only solid front axle smaller vehicles we see here are old LR and G-Wagen, but there are very few around and even fewer go offroad (mainly used by the army or rich Russians) you also see some older toyota pickups (bone shakers).
The main offrad vehicle here is the Mitsubishi Pajero 1st and 2nd generation, with some Nissans
Post by: dks on February 06, 2019, 08:51:48 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 14, 2019, 02:47:59 PM
https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/trucks/a26303321/2019-jeep-wrangler-four-cylinder-engine/?src=socialflowFBRAT&fbclid=IwAR3fqI3hj5VwF8gM87UszHryp6RJneRlYZne7Bakb9EzCYnVJ9LTnU7Y-WA
I have to wonder if it is good enough to justify the cost, given that diesel (here at least) is about 20% more expensive than gas?
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Post by: CallsignBadger on February 14, 2019, 09:55:22 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 15, 2019, 09:50:36 PM
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Post by: CallsignBadger on February 15, 2019, 11:24:50 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 16, 2019, 12:31:36 PM
Better to wait for the Hybrid Jeep that is expected next year.
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Post by: WECSOG on February 17, 2019, 05:32:09 AM
Post by: MMR on February 24, 2019, 06:26:44 PM
Here’s my baby: 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee (ZJ), with the brilliant 4.0 straight six cyl engine.
...and yes I know she is no show car, but cars are meant to be driven...and at 320.000 km she surely has been!
She has a few quirks that needs to be addressed and some cosmetic stuff too.
But overall, not bad for a 21 year old Jeep!
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 24, 2019, 06:39:19 PM
I'd say pretty darned nice, especially for being 21!
The 4.0L was a great engine. Maybe it's a bit long in the tooth and archaic by modern engine standards, but it has always been a bulletproof workhorse engine. I don't believe I have ever heard of a 4.0 failing- it always seems to be a transfer case, axles, transmission or other component around it, but the engine itself seems to go forever.
Great rig!
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Post by: CallsignBadger on February 24, 2019, 06:55:28 PM
Sorry I’m late to the party.
Here’s my baby: 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee (ZJ), with the brilliant 4.0 straight six cyl engine.
...and yes I know she is no show car, but cars are meant to be driven...and at 320.000 km she surely has been!
She has a few quirks that needs to be addressed and some cosmetic stuff too.
But overall, not bad for a 21 year old Jeep!
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Very nice! :tu:
The 4.0 is great :dd:
Post by: MMR on February 24, 2019, 07:06:16 PM
Not bad?
I'd say pretty darned nice, especially for being 21!
The 4.0L was a great engine. Maybe it's a bit long in the tooth and archaic by modern engine standards, but it has always been a bulletproof workhorse engine. I don't believe I have ever heard of a 4.0 failing- it always seems to be a transfer case, axles, transmission or other component around it, but the engine itself seems to go forever.
Great rig!
Def
I believe you...because even with 320.000 km on it, it still runs like Swiss clockwork!
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Post by: MMR on March 08, 2019, 08:27:56 AM
I hated that ugly orange / yellowish light the factory halogen bulbs give, these LEDs gives a nice white light without being too bright either.
Also considering the previous owner installed an ugly bright blue LED light in the back...this is a huge improvement.
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And it looks like I also managed to take a crappy blurry picture of it at the same time
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 08, 2019, 12:18:48 PM
Now I have two LED's in the front and an incandescent in the back because of it. I suppose I could go back to the LED and insulate it a bit with electrical tape so it doesn't happen again, but it has never been that much of an issue.
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Post by: MMR on March 08, 2019, 06:33:05 PM
Be careful with the LED replacements- I picked up an LED replacement kit for my Jeep shortly after I got it and I really liked the white lights instead of the old dull yellow ones. Some time later I noticed that I was having issues with the map reading lights coming on unexpectedly, and after an expensive trip to the dealership for what I thought was a warranty issue, it turns out that the heat sink on the rear overhead light was making contact with the metal housing it was contained in and causing the Jeep to think the doors were open when they weren't.
Now I have two LED's in the front and an incandescent in the back because of it. I suppose I could go back to the LED and insulate it a bit with electrical tape so it doesn't happen again, but it has never been that much of an issue.
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I appreciate the feedback and advice, so thank you for that
Mine is a 1998 ZJ, the mod has been done by many people on jeepforum and Jeepz.com and I have seen several YouTubeees do it on their ZJs too, so far I have yet to see anyone report any issues with the mod.
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Post by: MMR on March 09, 2019, 11:05:47 PM
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Installed a new alternator today too
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 11, 2019, 11:22:48 AM
I like the cargo separator behind the front seats. That must make hauling larger things (and dogs!) much easier!
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Post by: MMR on March 12, 2019, 05:19:29 PM
Before:
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Post by: MMR on March 12, 2019, 05:21:52 PM
Very cool!
I like the cargo separator behind the front seats. That must make hauling larger things (and dogs!) much easier!
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It’s what we call a “van registered vehicle” here in Europe. Basically rear seats removed and the whole back turned into one big trunk.
There are several tax benefits of this, but I also need it because I use it as my work vehicle, even though mine is registered for both private and commercial usage.
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Post by: MMR on March 14, 2019, 10:33:23 AM
BEFORE:
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AFTER:
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If anyone cares; it’s made by a company called “Gates” - Part# 31118
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This is what was left of the old oil cap, I bought the Jeep with it like this, I have never seen an oil cap snap in half like this before:
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 14, 2019, 11:23:32 AM
Good idea replacing it!
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Post by: MMR on March 14, 2019, 11:40:04 AM
It seems a bit common around here- I have seen a few oil caps like that in my time. They work just fine, they are just a pain in the butt to take off.
Good idea replacing it!
Def
It’s a small price to pay for something that could potentially be the cause of major engine damage.
Also I specifically ordered this one from Gates because it’s made from one solid piece of polymer and not two pieces of ABS that are either glued or pressed together.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 14, 2019, 11:59:06 AM
A one piece unit does seem like it would hold together much better than the two piece units. I think those are the ones I usually see broken in half.
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Post by: MMR on March 14, 2019, 04:11:17 PM
Yes, my first car, a 1986 Pontiac Firebird was an excellent example of what happens when you run a car without oil. :facepalm:
A one piece unit does seem like it would hold together much better than the two piece units. I think those are the ones I usually see broken in half.
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Really? ..hmm...well we will see how will it lasts. it's not something one should over tighten anyway, just needs to sit snug, the o'ring holds it in place when its just snug on there :)
But if worse comes to worse, it wasn't that expensive a part to replace anyway :)
Post by: MMR on March 18, 2019, 07:48:55 PM
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After:
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 18, 2019, 09:01:02 PM
I had an HID kit installed in my Jeep for a few years but it was an inexpensive one and the ballasts burned out, so I switched back to standard headlights. I miss my bright beams, but I see the prices have come down and the technology has improved so one of these days I will probably get around to doing it again.
I'd probably go with LED lights this time.
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Post by: MMR on March 18, 2019, 10:03:21 PM
Much nicer!
I had an HID kit installed in my Jeep for a few years but it was an inexpensive one and the ballasts burned out, so I switched back to standard headlights. I miss my bright beams, but I see the prices have come down and the technology has improved so one of these days I will probably get around to doing it again.
I'd probably go with LED lights this time.
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The thing with LED lights is that on reflector headlights they usually just send the light all over the place without focusing it, the only time I have heard good things about LED kits is on projector style headlights.
My Jeep has the reflector style headlights, so I am just running a pair of upgraded halogen bulbs, they are an equivalent of Osram night breakers that I bought in BilTema (a large auto parts retail chain in Scandinavia)
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 19, 2019, 01:24:16 AM
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Post by: MMR on March 19, 2019, 12:20:43 PM
The current model Wrangler comes from the factory with LED lights, so I will probably see if they can be fit to older models.
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That would be a cool mod! ...please share what you find out
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Post by: MMR on March 19, 2019, 12:21:10 PM
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- New user manual
- New wiper motor
- New wiper blade
....and THE MIGHTY CLEAR wiper arm..
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 19, 2019, 01:54:43 PM
I need to put new wipers on my Jeep- I am terrible when it comes to replacing wipers. They clean the window okay, but they make such horrible noises...
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Post by: MMR on March 19, 2019, 02:41:13 PM
Nice haul!
I need to put new wipers on my Jeep- I am terrible when it comes to replacing wipers. They clean the window okay, but they make such horrible noises...
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I have gotten into the habit of replacing them once a year (or twice if needed).
I usually just buy the cheapest ones they have, those high end ones from Borsch I have found to be a total waste of money. They don’t clean the windows better and I have found them to only last about 6 months more than the cheapest ones, and at €80 vs €5 a piece it really doesn’t make sense to get the high end ones.
The only time I have seen a huge difference, is in extreme cold weather, the cheap ones flexing mechanisms tend to freeze and get stuck, so they don’t wipe the window fully. The high end ones doesn’t seem to have this problem
But that’s just my opinion
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Post by: MMR on March 22, 2019, 06:02:27 PM
Not sure how I feel about the result, but it’s better than before regardless
Before:
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After:
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There was also a wear hole in the door cart that I used the remaining on.
Before:
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After:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190322/0ffbb362589755ba27efa2c8967cf950.jpg)
I am no interior guy, and I don’t care to spend 1000+ dollars / euros on a reupholstery on a Jeep with 325.000 km on it that I paid around €1200 for.
This patch was €20 with shipping, and it’s way better than before now.
Let the hate begin!
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 22, 2019, 10:13:02 PM
Great job! If anyone else doesn't like it, feel free to have it properly reupholstered and send them the bill!
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Post by: MMR on March 23, 2019, 06:52:13 AM
If anyone else doesn't like it, feel free to have it properly reupholstered and send them the bill!
Def
Amen :cheers:
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Post by: MMR on March 23, 2019, 06:47:40 PM
I don’t have a proper “Before” picture, but you get the idea:
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After:
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And don’t worry; I will do something about those ugly and dated 80s looking auxiliary reverse lights, I have a set of LED reverse lights in the mail.
...and yes I know my Jeep needs a wash
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Post by: kottskrapa on March 23, 2019, 09:09:17 PM
Installed a new wiper motor and wiper arm today ...and removed the ugly and fainted dealer decal and license plate frameNice progress! And it's a jeep.. It's to clean
I don’t have a proper “Before” picture, but you get the idea:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190323/80ee84a8d6b1f7aa0a1daff2a9f83e4f.jpg)
After:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190323/9419a3b3deea7ac951924540c6e23968.jpg)
And don’t worry; I will do something about those ugly and dated 80s looking auxiliary reverse lights, I have a set of LED reverse lights in the mail.
...and yes I know my Jeep needs a wash
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[It's not failure if you learn something from it]
Post by: MMR on March 23, 2019, 09:12:14 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190323/dd3d8967de62d6b7fcba318d7f0caa9b.jpg)
Hard to take a picture of, but this is the closest to how it looks irl:
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I am not sure how I feel about the blue’ish light they give in the front marker lights....I might swap them for some yellow ones instead...idk we’ll see
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Post by: MMR on March 23, 2019, 09:13:01 PM
Nice progress! And it's a jeep.. It's to clean
[It's not failure if you learn something from it]
It’s actually a lot dirtier IRL that it looks in the pictures
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Post by: MMR on March 30, 2019, 06:46:54 PM
Before:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190330/2969698aeb47b1205bcdf112a074e902.jpg)
After:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190330/b8cb3f9fbdb34187b00fd87d66a60773.jpg)
Close ups:
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190330/274d748e5ac0433d1ffc38395613f94a.jpg)
Can’t wait to test them out later when it gets dark, they seemed extremely bright on my test bench, so hopefully they will perform well on the Jeep...
....otherwise FML!!!
UPDATE:
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 31, 2019, 01:04:41 AM
I need to upgrade the reverse lights on my Jeep. I upgraded the reverse bulbs in the tail lights to LED's but they aren't bright enough. I would eventually like to put some recessed LED lights into the rear bumper, but I will wait until I have a new bumper to do it in.
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Post by: SteveC on April 11, 2019, 12:27:08 AM
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Post by: derekmac on June 17, 2019, 03:28:23 PM
https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/my-05-rubi-build-and-picture-thread.1022/page-20#post-366630 (https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/my-05-rubi-build-and-picture-thread.1022/page-20#post-366630)
Post by: WECSOG on April 03, 2020, 05:52:08 PM
Some people have actually put a 258 crankshaft in a 4.0 block for a 4.5l engine. This was really nothing new since AMC's Mexico plant built a 282 cubic inch version from 1971 through 1986. It used the 258 crankshaft with a larger bore; pretty much the same thing as a 258 crank in a 4.0 block.
Jeep used these Rambler I6 engines starting in at least 1966; I've read that Jeep used them right from the beginning in 1964. I don't really doubt it but can't say for sure, since I had a 1965 Wagoneer with the OHC Tornado 230 I6 engine as stock.
Anyway, the Rambler 6 was the most common engine in both Jeeps and AMC cars through the '70s and '80s.
A buddy of mine once worked for a distributor of used major auto assemblies. Not a junkyard; this was actually a warehouse with high racks full of engines, transmissions, axles etc. He told me that the 4.0 was the cheapest to buy engine they had because there was essentially no demand for them. They had a steady supply from wrecked Jeeps, but it was uncommon for a 4.0 to fail, thus little market for replacement engines.
I wonder if I can shoehorn one into my JKU... :whistle:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 04, 2020, 12:31:23 AM
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Post by: derekmac on June 02, 2020, 07:53:00 PM
It'll be nice not having to worry about breaking anything on the Jeep when off-roading, and having something that'll make a MUCH better family vehicle.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 10, 2020, 04:26:06 PM
It actually started here in Canada, and you can read about it here: https://driving.ca/jeep/auto-news/news/jeeps-are-being-ducked-and-it-all-started-in-canada
Megan got me some rubber ducks last week and I ducked my first ducking yesterday. We were driving through a provincial park and I spotted a red 2 door Jeep Wrangler, so I stopped and put a little rubber ducky on it. :D
Anyone else ducking Jeeps or been ducked yet?
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Post by: gregozedobe on August 10, 2020, 04:39:36 PM
Has anyone heard about the current fad of "ducking" Jeeps?
It actually started here in Canada, and you can read about it here: https://driving.ca/jeep/auto-news/news/jeeps-are-being-ducked-and-it-all-started-in-canada
Megan got me some rubber ducks last week and I ducked my first ducking yesterday. We were driving through a provincial park and I spotted a red 2 door Jeep Wrangler, so I stopped and put a little rubber ducky on it. :D
Anyone else ducking Jeeps or been ducked yet?
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I can imagine there will be some recipients who haven't heard of this new meme that will be very puzzled at the sudden appearance of a bath toy on heir Jeep. :rofl:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 10, 2020, 04:59:27 PM
There is a Facebook group called Duck Duck Jeep, started by the woman that started this all, and, as is expected in today's day and age, there are many that are offended by it. :facepalm:
Some resent strangers touching their precious Jeep to stick a duck in the handle.
Some haven't been ducked yet and are taking it personally.
Some duck others, then hang around to see the owner's reaction when they return, and have been very upset when the recipient tosses the duck away and drives off, or does anything that doesn't express immediate joy.
As I see it, I am not trying to make people happy- it's up to them to react however they would like. I am am giving them an opportunity to smile, and if they are too miserable to accept it, I'm not going to force it. I do what I do, and I always appreciate an opportunity to smile.
I also went the distance and printed off some small notes explaining the duck's presence to help alleviate the confusion, and I put the duck on the running board, not in the door handle. Some idiots may try to claim that it scratched the paint in the handle when the duck was stuffed in there, but I doubt many will complain (successfully anyway- there will always be complainers) that a teeny rubber duck scratched the running board.
Life's too short to be angry and offended by everything all the time.
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Post by: pfrsantos on April 16, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
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:whistle:
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Post by: G-Dizzle on November 02, 2021, 03:23:17 PM
Always wanted a jeep, always have needed a truck bed. This was perfect. Can’t wait to get some bigger tires on there.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 02, 2021, 07:46:03 PM
I say it's a lot easier to take the top off than an F150.... and easier to put it back on too!
It's on my list of potential replacements when/if something bad happens to my Jeep!
Good looking rig man!
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Post by: G-Dizzle on November 02, 2021, 09:26:26 PM
Megan calls it the automotive equivalent of a mullet.
I say it's a lot easier to take the top off than an F150.... and easier to put it back on too!
It's on my list of potential replacements when/if something bad happens to my Jeep!
Good looking rig man!
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Thanks! Business in the back, party in the front! lol. Thinking about 285/70r17s on the stock wheels for now to save money. (33s basically) The spacer level kits are cheap, but i don't know how I feel about it/how it would affect the drivability. I know it would look better. Maybe combination of a steel front bumper and the spacer level would work nicely. Would need one when I buy a winch in the next couple of years anyways. Also want to pick up some rock sliders/steps soon.
Post by: Farmer X on November 02, 2021, 11:04:33 PM
The spacer level kits are cheap, but i don't know how I feel about it/how it would affect the drivability.Just my opinion: I'd stay away from spacers in the suspension unless the manufacturer intended them to be there. Though new springs are more expensive, they strike me as being far more durable.
I have a Gladiator, too. I'm hesitant to post pictures of it, though...the undercarriage says "Matchbox." :rofl:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 03, 2021, 03:27:48 PM
Thanks! Business in the back, party in the front! lol. Thinking about 285/70r17s on the stock wheels for now to save money. (33s basically) The spacer level kits are cheap, but i don't know how I feel about it/how it would affect the drivability. I know it would look better. Maybe combination of a steel front bumper and the spacer level would work nicely. Would need one when I buy a winch in the next couple of years anyways. Also want to pick up some rock sliders/steps soon.
Mine is way less cool than yours, but I am running 35x12.5x17 on mine with stock ride height and I only rub slightly at full compression. I think there's an offset in my rims that seems like maybe .75-1 inch, but I think that works against me for contact.
I don't think the JL/JT/JLU wheel arches are that different from the JK/JKU?
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Post by: G-Dizzle on November 03, 2021, 04:21:31 PM
Mine is way less cool than yours, but I am running 35x12.5x17 on mine with stock ride height and I only rub slightly at full compression. I think there's an offset in my rims that seems like maybe .75-1 inch, but I think that works against me for contact.
I don't think the JL/JT/JLU wheel arches are that different from the JK/JKU?
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With the JT the rubicons can fit 35s with no modification because of higher fender flares. The Sports (like mine) can fit 33s with the air dam removed. They cut my air dam off at the factory when they applied tint and a bedliner so that is a non-issue for me. to run 35s you have to get that 1.5" spacer level kit. the price jump between 33s and 35s locally is enormous though.
Post by: G-Dizzle on November 03, 2021, 04:31:25 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on November 03, 2021, 04:55:28 PM
thinking from this video rubbing may be an issue offroad.
Post by: G-Dizzle on November 03, 2021, 05:01:54 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 03, 2021, 05:45:55 PM
I also don't know what re-gearing entails but seems like something I should avoid. I think 35s are better with a re-gear. i don't know though.
Regearing is changing the gears in the differential to provide better torque and make it easier to turn larger tires. I have been told (again, for JK/JKU) that you don't need to bother unless you are going to 37 inches or bigger. I'm happy with my 35's so I am not worrying about it.
The main reason I have been considering going to a Gladiator is the increased towing capacity. Mine is a Sahara model and I'm limited to 3500lbs, which is just too little. I would go with a Sport if I went to the Gladiator, with an automatic transmission to get the full 7600lbs.
This is super annoying to me as I have exactly the same engine, transmission, driveline etc as the Gladiator, but the few extra inches in wheelbase doubles the towing capacity. :twak:
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Post by: Farmer X on November 03, 2021, 07:11:21 PM
I also don't know what re-gearing entails but seems like something I should avoid. I think 35s are better with a re-gear.Re-gearing would entail opening up the differentials, removing the existing ring and pinion, and installing the replacement set. Other stuff, such as axle shafts, may need to come out as well. Unless you have 4.10:1 or lower gears from the factory--and maybe even then--lower gears would definitely be an asset with 35s.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 03, 2021, 08:35:07 PM
The rear end I have is 3.73- I think the standard rear end at the time was 3.11 and the Rubicon had 4.10. The 3.73 was only available with the max tow package I think, but as I ordered it directly from the factory I was able to get it.
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Post by: G-Dizzle on November 03, 2021, 08:37:10 PM
Regearing is changing the gears in the differential to provide better torque and make it easier to turn larger tires. I have been told (again, for JK/JKU) that you don't need to bother unless you are going to 37 inches or bigger. I'm happy with my 35's so I am not worrying about it.
The main reason I have been considering going to a Gladiator is the increased towing capacity. Mine is a Sahara model and I'm limited to 3500lbs, which is just too little. I would go with a Sport if I went to the Gladiator, with an automatic transmission to get the full 7600lbs.
This is super annoying to me as I have exactly the same engine, transmission, driveline etc as the Gladiator, but the few extra inches in wheelbase doubles the towing capacity. :twak:
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My tow rating is 6,000 or so. if you want 7600 make sure you get the max tow model (and don't put too big of tires on it). Max tow costs a bit more and comes with slightly larger axles and 4.10 ratio. I have dana 44 axles and 3.73 ratio.
Post by: G-Dizzle on November 03, 2021, 08:42:44 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on November 03, 2021, 08:48:57 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 03, 2021, 09:27:48 PM
Which gets me to my most significant problem with the Gladiator- I really hate having the wheel on the underside of anything. I have bene in a few situations where a spare was on the underside of the vehicle and not used for so long that it had been rusted on. Add to that the amount of sand and mud I drive through on a regular basis, and I would dread a flat even more than usual. I've already been looking for bed mounts or replacement rear bumpers with tire carriers just in case I ever get a Gladiator.
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Post by: G-Dizzle on November 03, 2021, 09:52:17 PM
I'd get 5, but that's just me. I go through tires only slightly slower than I go through toilet paper because I work on construction sites. :ahhh
Which gets me to my most significant problem with the Gladiator- I really hate having the wheel on the underside of anything. I have bene in a few situations where a spare was on the underside of the vehicle and not used for so long that it had been rusted on. Add to that the amount of sand and mud I drive through on a regular basis, and I would dread a flat even more than usual. I've already been looking for bed mounts or replacement rear bumpers with tire carriers just in case I ever get a Gladiator.
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Bed mounts are definitely available. Thankfully I don't live in Canada! lol
Post by: derekmac on November 04, 2021, 03:22:51 PM
Thankfully I don't live in Canada! lol:twak: :twak: :twak: :rofl:
For tires, I'd just go with 33's. Cheaper, easier on the running gear, ball joints ect. Better fuel mileage, and it'll just overall drive better than it would with 35's. I have 35's on my TJ, but it's a toy that seldom gets driven. Also no issues with running a small spacer up front to level it out, just remember that if you carry a load often in the bed, the rear will sit lower when loaded up instead of sitting level.
Post by: G-Dizzle on November 04, 2021, 07:34:10 PM
:twak: :twak: :twak: :rofl:
For tires, I'd just go with 33's. Cheaper, easier on the running gear, ball joints ect. Better fuel mileage, and it'll just overall drive better than it would with 35's. I have 35's on my TJ, but it's a toy that seldom gets driven. Also no issues with running a small spacer up front to level it out, just remember that if you carry a load often in the bed, the rear will sit lower when loaded up instead of sitting level.
Thanks. I've pretty much decided on 33s I think. Just more practical and won't lose as much capability from an every day (not offroading) perspective while still gaining a good bit of offroad capability. I do use the bed for things of varying weight probably once a week or so. I'm actually going to put about 4-800 pounds (depending on how much I can fit in one trip) in it this afternoon! lol. That makes me wonder if the level would not be a good idea. I just like the stance and clearance it gives.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 10, 2022, 02:58:45 PM
Otherwise, looking good! And Happy belated birthday!
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Post by: G-Dizzle on January 11, 2022, 04:21:57 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 11, 2022, 04:10:20 PM
This is the third time in nine years it has been towed, and once wasn't my fault- there was a defective brake part that failed and locked up the wheel and the garage took care of it. Being towed twice in 9 years isn't a bad average, right?
It's sitting at around 260,000 kms, and so I guess I have to expect these kinds of things.
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Post by: gregozedobe on January 11, 2022, 10:56:41 PM
Likely due to the cold (temperature has dropped almost 20 degrees C in the past 24 hours) my Jeep wouldn't start this morning. It drove away moments ago on the back of a tow truck, headed off to the shop to see what can be done about it, since tomorrow is also likely to be cold.
Possibly the battery has failed. They don't like the cold, and a battery that is marginal in warmer weather often can no longer deliver enough current when winter hits.
Post by: Farmer X on January 12, 2022, 01:04:46 AM
A battery that is marginal in warmer weather often can no longer deliver enough current when winter hits.Very true. My car's original battery lasted almost a dozen years, and finally gave up the ghost during a very cold January.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 12, 2022, 01:32:00 AM
The current thought is that it is moisture in the fuel that has frozen and plugged the line.
Also, I'll probably get some new plugs installed. They are only good for about 70,000kms, and I'm still using the originals at 260,000kms.
I'll know more in the morning.
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Post by: G-Dizzle on January 12, 2022, 02:33:06 AM
Likely due to the cold (temperature has dropped almost 20 degrees C in the past 24 hours) my Jeep wouldn't start this morning. It drove away moments ago on the back of a tow truck, headed off to the shop to see what can be done about it, since tomorrow is also likely to be cold.
This is the third time in nine years it has been towed, and once wasn't my fault- there was a defective brake part that failed and locked up the wheel and the garage took care of it. Being towed twice in 9 years isn't a bad average, right?
It's sitting at around 260,000 kms, and so I guess I have to expect these kinds of things.
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Does your Jeep have the backup starter battery as well or just the main one? Sorry to hear of the troubles
Post by: G-Dizzle on January 12, 2022, 02:34:43 AM
Brand new battery a few months ago, and it's firing the starter without an issue.Frozen fuel. Yikes thats cold. I’m glad I don’t live up where you are.
The current thought is that it is moisture in the fuel that has frozen and plugged the line.
Also, I'll probably get some new plugs installed. They are only good for about 70,000kms, and I'm still using the originals at 260,000kms.
I'll know more in the morning.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 12, 2022, 12:01:12 PM
Yesterday was about -17C with the wind chill. It hasn't actually even gotten cold yet. February and March are usually the bad ones here. And it's not the fuel that froze, but likely moisture in the line.
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Post by: gregozedobe on January 12, 2022, 10:07:07 PM
No, just the main battery, but when I replaced it in the fall it was a much more powerful one than the previous one.
Yesterday was about -17C with the wind chill. It hasn't actually even gotten cold yet. February and March are usually the bad ones here. And it's not the fuel that froze, but likely moisture in the line.
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If the starter is cranking the engine over at the normal speed then I agree, unlikely to be a battery or starter issue.
If the plugs have done 260,000 miles then I'd also say that they are overdue for replacement (and I'd check all the ignition wiring as well, while you/they are at it).
Hopefully you will get some good (not too expensive ? ) news soon.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 13, 2022, 12:16:55 AM
Hopefully it stays that way!
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Post by: gregozedobe on January 15, 2022, 11:37:10 AM
Got it back today, running good now.
Hopefully it stays that way!
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:tu: So what was the problem ?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 15, 2022, 04:22:58 PM
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Post by: gregozedobe on January 16, 2022, 12:51:44 PM
Moisture in the fuel line froze and caused a blockage.
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Got it. :tu:
Lots of older cars have water (and other crap) in the bottom of the fuel tank, which is why I always suggest that people not run their fuel tank down to near empty. Thankfully where I live it never gets cold enough to freeze fuel lines.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 16, 2022, 06:24:24 PM
Anyways, it has been remarkably wet here lately and I really need to get this taken care of. It's an easy enough job to do myself, but I don't want to do it (I'd be doing it in my driveway at -20 ish), so I'll buy the part and let the garage do it.
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Post by: gregozedobe on January 17, 2022, 12:59:39 AM
so I'll buy the part and let the garage do it.
That's my repair philosophy these days, the engine bay of both my wagons are so crammed I can't even begin to get my hands in anywhere to do much at all, so I don't.
Back when I was younger, more enthusiastic (and most importantly, much poorer) I used to do everything myself, including axle replacement, engine swap, even replaced the big end on a motorbike in someone's carport in the middle of a big tour around Oz). No longer (and I'm fine with that). I do all my own car detailing these days, so my cars do get some attention from me.
Post by: Farmer X on January 18, 2022, 12:22:44 AM
Home repair, on the other hand...that's something I'm not fond of doing myself. I only go the DIY route because I lack the money to hire a contractor (a new roof being a notable exception to that rule).
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 05, 2022, 08:18:20 PM
JR
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 07, 2022, 09:40:06 PM
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Post by: gregozedobe on May 09, 2022, 06:20:53 AM
Tactical assault jack?
Well it looks like it might have the requisite BO coating .... :rofl:
Post by: Farmer X on May 09, 2022, 11:20:05 PM
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 16, 2022, 02:01:30 AM
JR
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 16, 2022, 02:56:09 AM
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