Post by: Adam5 on July 25, 2023, 12:21:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/w3QTVaB.jpg)
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Post by: Poncho65 on July 25, 2023, 12:30:44 PM
So how is it in real world applications? :popcorn: :like:
Post by: Echotech on July 25, 2023, 12:36:55 PM
Post by: Adam5 on July 25, 2023, 12:58:07 PM
Post by: SteveC on July 25, 2023, 01:15:10 PM
Post by: pa_strunk on July 25, 2023, 04:29:04 PM
Post by: Grand_Banana on July 25, 2023, 06:15:33 PM
Anyone try the “hammer” function yet? Pretty sure that’s the point of the flattened handle ends, right?
Post by: Adam5 on July 25, 2023, 06:58:57 PM
Yes I have used the hammer, and I like it. However, hammering in a horizontal orientation shakes the bit loose from the bit driver. I thought perhaps a bit with a ball detent would help, but that shakes loose also.
The magnet that is used to retain the bit in the bit holder does not exert much force on the bit
(https://i.imgur.com/HkF6395.jpg)
Before hammering
(https://i.imgur.com/CQnURgd.jpg)
After hammering
(https://i.imgur.com/Nw0qIaG.jpg)
Post by: Adam5 on July 25, 2023, 06:59:28 PM
Center axis universal bit driver works well with ratchet driver.
:tu:
Post by: Adam5 on July 25, 2023, 07:40:25 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/yj0ECK4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/syS2C7g.jpg)
Otherwise, the scissors seem to cut fine.
By the way, that would be the remnants of my lunch that you see on my leg :facepalm: :rofl:
Post by: pa_strunk on July 25, 2023, 08:06:57 PM
Post by: Adam5 on July 27, 2023, 01:24:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/gxVGHxZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/oxGoN6Q.jpg)
GOAT pliers are spring-loaded, Free P4 are not
(https://i.imgur.com/ErJqVxa.jpg)
I swapped in the S35vn blade this morning
(https://i.imgur.com/oHWAEgd.jpg)
The hot swap feature seems to work great. I am a little clumsy with it, but I am sure swapping out tools would go quickly with a little practice.
The only removeable tool that I don't like is the file. It is of the same quality as what is found in many Chinese MTs. I may make a file to take its place.
Post by: Adam5 on July 27, 2023, 02:20:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/e8SOueL.jpg)
The Free P4 was able to easily cut 8 awg THHN copper, 10 awg THHN copper, 14/2 Romex, and bare 14 awg copper.
The GOAT MT could not. There are two reasons why:
1) Both MTs have bypass cutters. Bypass cutters cut by way of shearing force. However, many bypass cutters taper to an edge. This allows the cutter to indent and wedge apart the material (as anvil cutters do), aiding the shearing action. The Free P4 replaceable cutters are made in this manner. The GOAT replaceable cutters are flat and have to rely almost totally on shearing forces.
2) Since the cutters rely on shearing, there must be enough room for the material to move past the cutters. The GOAT does not have enough room for the material to move and so the material prevents the jaws from closing all the way.
GOAT
(https://i.imgur.com/dV114nn.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BUdDBZl.jpg)
P4
(https://i.imgur.com/0GJmxkY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TNLPHir.jpg)
I was able to cut 16 awg soft steel wire, but not easily. Given that this MT is billed as "Gear Of All Trades", this is a major flaw that should be corrected going forward.
Post by: Farmer X on July 28, 2023, 05:12:04 AM
Given that this MT is billed as "Gear Of All Trades", this is a major flaw that should be corrected going forward.:iagree: Nice write-up! :tu:
Post by: Poncho65 on July 28, 2023, 03:16:48 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 29, 2023, 09:07:32 AM
Post by: Adam5 on July 30, 2023, 12:45:35 AM
It does take a great picture :tu:
(https://i.imgur.com/vxrOtUK.jpg)
Post by: Echotech on July 30, 2023, 01:35:33 AM
Post by: damiross on August 01, 2023, 05:48:17 AM
Post by: SurgeUk on August 01, 2023, 04:37:11 PM
Is there a website for the GOAT?
https://goat-tools.myshopify.com/ :salute:
Post by: damiross on August 02, 2023, 05:51:30 AM
https://goat-tools.myshopify.com/ :salute:I've gone to this page but there is no place to buy the tool. When I click on "Shop". I get a 404 error
Post by: Cynan on August 02, 2023, 07:20:59 AM
Only those that backed the kickstarter are getting them currently,.
Post by: damiross on August 03, 2023, 05:26:38 AM
You can’t buy them yet - only sign up to the newsletter.Thank you. Probably can't afford one yet but I did want to dream as I looked at them online.
Only those that backed the kickstarter are getting them currently,.
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 03, 2023, 08:42:54 PM
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 03, 2023, 08:43:42 PM
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 03, 2023, 10:31:34 PM
A tad smaller and lighter than I expected. Seems well enough made, with the following small issues:
- Scissor spring sometimes slides off its abutment surface when operated. (I have an idea how to solve that through judicious application of a file.)
- Opening tools requires getting used to, and tends to cause release lever to open as well. One trick is to keep this closed with whatever fingers are free at the time.
- Sheath has two elastic side pockets - alas with an open bottom, so maybe only good for things having clips - and one belt side pocket which will fit some spare implements, although the long ones stick out at the top and will inhibit tight closing of the lid flap.
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 04, 2023, 03:58:31 PM
The scalpel blade holder is really nice. I need to buy spare blades though. Can anyone identify the type of fitting?
I had bought the file as an extra and have briefly tried it out. As someone remarked above, it is not quite as bad as some, but by far not as good as some others :facepalm:. The wide cross-cut and narrow sides do a reasonable job. The wide diagonal-cut side could use rather a bit of improvement.
OHO main blades seems to work, kind of (if you manage to avoid the release handle and ignore tool clumping) but I have yet to find a good way to OHC...
Post by: Aloha on August 04, 2023, 04:54:09 PM
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 04, 2023, 06:42:07 PM
- on my pliers the cutter inserts were loose and had to be tightened, and now they rub slightly when closed denoting better contact between the cutting surfaces.
- however, even so, the blunt insert edges don't cut but only shear off (as noted somewhere above) causing pinching in the too small space afforded and mediocre cutting at best. Insulated wire tends to have its insulation pinched, not cut (if you're lucky you'll cut the metal core though).
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 04, 2023, 09:59:34 PM
I was wondering if one could grind an angle into the sides straightening the current two-faced sides into a single face, thereby making the cutting edge say 75-80 degrees instead of 90.
If one did, would that destroy the tempering, assuming one exists on stock inserts?
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 05, 2023, 12:51:30 PM
When I looked at the spare ones I bought I thought the cutting edge was narrower than that of the ones mounted to the pliers out of the box. Close comparison confirms that, see top pic (spare on top), I'm guessing the cutting edge on the spare is about 60% of that of the original.
So I exchanged the inserts. Slightly better in that the cutter can now cut chicken wire, with a bit of wringing as clearance has remained the same. I think I might subject the originals to some grinding experiments.
This, because meanwhile, compared to the P4 as my impromptu chicken wire cutting benchmark, the spare cutters still have a wider edge, see bottom pic...
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 05, 2023, 03:14:16 PM
Problem remains the lack of clearance between insert (held by a fattish screw) and the opposing pliers wall, and what looks like a slightly convex surface of the latter, see second pic. I think one could in theory take a file to that face but I hesitate.
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 05, 2023, 03:38:24 PM
Edit to add: as a nice touch, one of the tool's standard implements is a 2mm Allen key doubling as a lanyard ring and which by the nature of the tool is detachable. This can be used to tighten pivots and exchange wire cutter inserts. Tightening the plier pivots was what was needed to inhibit the auto-spread feature.
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 05, 2023, 06:17:09 PM
My scissor spring has a tendency to pop out of place, no doubt aided by a bit too much rounding over at the edge of the scissor handle:
(https://i.imgur.com/yj0ECK4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/syS2C7g.jpg)
Otherwise, the scissors seem to cut fine.
By the way, that would be the remnants of my lunch that you see on my leg :facepalm: :rofl:
I had the same problem. I used a small Dremel to square off the cross section of the end of the spring (this was slightly rounded off) and bent it slightly into the plane of the scissors tool side half. That seems to have helped.
The scissors themselves cut very well and open wide, much wider than e.g. on a Spirit.
Post by: Adam5 on August 05, 2023, 07:02:42 PM
night or tomorrow. I contacted GOAT Tools a few days ago and Michael O'Donnell said that if the adjustments don't work or if the spring broke while trying to bend it then he would take care of the warranty.
I am hesistant to modify the plier head to improve the cutting of thicker materials unless I am sure I can get a replacement. I am not sure I will be using it with any regularity, so there may be no reason for me to mod it.
I do plan to contact GOAT Tools about the problem in order to give feedback.
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 05, 2023, 08:41:15 PM
The very slight scissors mod seems to be holding up, so can heartily recommend. Unless you're really ham fisted I don't estimate there is an increased risk of breaking the spring. Use two sets of flat pliers close to where the spring becomes narrow and apply very measured force.
Otherwise I am rather impressed for a first time product, although I have yet to put it through its paces in earnest.
Post by: Herman Axtelius on August 07, 2023, 05:02:14 PM
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 07, 2023, 07:32:15 PM
Post by: Herman Axtelius on August 08, 2023, 08:43:49 AM
Yes, DHL and yes (Germany) :mail:
Sounds promising! I guess I'll just have to wait. I didn't back them Om indiegogo until early January so I guess I'm a bit further down on the list..
Post by: SurgeUk on August 08, 2023, 11:54:55 AM
Sounds promising! I guess I'll just have to wait. I didn't back them Om indiegogo until early January so I guess I'm a bit further down on the list..
I got mine late last month and I'd backed them on Kickstarter a couple of years ago. I know we're not part of the EU anymore ::) but mine arrived quite quickly once I got the shipping email :tu:
It was sent by DHL but delivered by Hermes here in the UK :dunno:
Post by: Herman Axtelius on August 27, 2023, 10:40:00 PM
I ordered the titanium scales and the extra hex drivers this morning and just got an shipment confirmation!
Post by: SurgeUk on September 05, 2023, 06:51:21 PM
I thought I'd give the GOAT a try-out (light use) I needed to remove a string of those cheap solar powered lights that Mrs Surge had suggested that "we" might like :pok: :twak:
This particular set had died a few weeks ago but I've not really been here (working overseas ::))
The wire cutters failed miserably and just squashed the outer plastic coating and only cut through on the third attempt. However, the scissors cut like a knife through butter :dunno:
I tried again using my Surge and no issues with the wire cutters :whistle:
I'm going to try and use this thing as much as I can (no EDC in public as in the UK) but, so far, I'm struggling with the OHO being just that. If I have to use another finger to push the release lever (or anything else) back down then how is it OHO :think:
If you have any tips please let me know :cheers:
Post by: Herman Axtelius on September 05, 2023, 07:48:45 PM
Evenin' awl :salute:
I thought I'd give the GOAT a try-out (light use) I needed to remove a string of those cheap solar powered lights that Mrs Surge had suggested that "we" might like :pok: :twak:
This particular set had died a few weeks ago but I've not really been here (working overseas ::))
The wire cutters failed miserably and just squashed the outer plastic coating and only cut through on the third attempt. However, the scissors cut like a knife through butter :dunno:
I tried again using my Surge and no issues with the wire cutters :whistle:
I'm going to try and use this thing as much as I can (no EDC in public as in the UK) but, so far, I'm struggling with the OHO being just that. If I have to use another finger to push the release lever (or anything else) back down then how is it OHO :think:
If you have any tips please let me know :cheers:
Well it's a real bummer that the wire cutters turned out so bad, I really hope that they are working on a replacement part ASAP.
Regarding no EDC in the UK, I find the Goat the perfect (and first) tool that i actually can EDC because i can remove or replace the blades etc. with other tools (I'm in Sweden, it's strictly forbidden to wear any form of knife or sharp tool outside of your home or work).
Post by: SurgeUk on September 05, 2023, 08:09:26 PM
Well it's a real bummer that the wire cutters turned out so bad, I really hope that they are working on a replacement part ASAP.
Regarding no EDC in the UK, I find the Goat the perfect (and first) tool that i actually can EDC because i can remove or replace the blades etc. with other tools (I'm in Sweden, it's strictly forbidden to wear any form of knife or sharp tool outside of your home or work).
As I said, I'll try and use this wherever possible so maybe my views will change :dunno:
I hope to have my view changed as it wasn't too cheap and took forever to get here :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Notwithstanding, the ingenuity to design a new MT and make it so different is to be applauded :clap: :clap: :clap:
Post by: SurgeUk on September 06, 2023, 07:04:34 PM
However, I am looking after a neighbours garden whilst they are away and used the "hammer" to secure a post. That worked fairly well but as I walked away (triumphant, of course :D) the Phillips bit fell out of the holder and, had I not been paying attention, I would have lost it (the magnet is not strong enough)
Still persevering....
Post by: pfrsantos on September 07, 2023, 04:30:36 PM
So, today I had cause to use the Phillips driver to adjust a few cupboard doors. It did very well and the centred bit made it very easy (not much torque needed though) :tu:
However, I am looking after a neighbours garden whilst they are away and used the "hammer" to secure a post. That worked fairly well but as I walked away (triumphant, of course :D) the Phillips bit fell out of the holder and, had I not been paying attention, I would have lost it (the magnet is not strong enough)
Still persevering....
Wow! Just bought a couple of the same hinges. One of the doors on my kitchen cupboard kept opening with just a breeze, going to replace the hinges today. The new ones have the cupboard holes slightly off, will need to reposition them.
The little Dexter ratchet worked like a charm. Hard to take the bits from the box, but putting the magnetic driver over them pulls them out, then you just have to turn them upside down and you're ready to go.
:cheers: :tu:
Post by: Grand_Banana on December 13, 2023, 02:06:17 AM
Post by: SurgeUk on December 13, 2023, 08:25:32 PM
So you fine folks have had your GOAT tools for a few months now. How’s the usage been? I’m curious if anyone has tried theirs as a daily user and gotten a few solid months of review out of it?
Whilst I was someone who was an original backer (and waited years, like others) I'm not feeling the love :think:
I don't find the OHO really working as well as say my Surge/Wave & Vic' MTs (not chunky enough)
I awlso struggle with the blade changing (a bit too fiddly)
Basically, I don't really carry it and it lives in its box.
I'll stick with my Surge/Wave/ Vic' etc
I appreciate the thinking and design but it doesn't really work for me :td:
In a word; disappointed :dunno:
Post by: Grand_Banana on December 15, 2023, 02:01:47 AM
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on January 20, 2024, 02:56:32 PM
In other news,
1. I have finally been able to lay my greedy hands on several sets of Wiha double-ended bits that turn out to fit inside the bit driver very well. These have been unobtainable in Europe for months. I now know why: they're marketed by Wiha USA.
2. I have fashioned a little box to keep spare implements/blades in, by converting a short length of plastic cable holder with snap-on cover.
3. The items under the preceding two points are demanding to be duly stored together with the tool in a compact carry option. A Skinth Mondo sheath is on order.
Pictures will appear here once the latter item arrives. This concludes this update newsletter.
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on January 21, 2024, 05:37:12 PM
Post by: David Bowen on March 03, 2024, 07:35:07 PM
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Post by: powernoodle on March 08, 2024, 01:33:43 AM
Basically, I don't really carry it and it lives in its box. I'll stick with my Surge/Wave/ Vic' etc
I've wanted a GOAT (of course) since I first saw them on the horizon, but the reports from you and others have dissuaded me.
The whole idea of the GOAT sounds great, but maybe they aren't ready for prime time. :salute:
Post by: sparkyv on March 08, 2024, 04:53:40 AM
Post by: Barry Rowland on March 11, 2024, 03:01:53 AM
I've wanted a GOAT (of course) since I first saw them on the horizon, but the reports from you and others have dissuaded me.
The whole idea of the GOAT sounds great, but maybe they aren't ready for prime time. :salute:
Post by: SurgeUk on March 11, 2024, 07:13:44 PM
@SurgeUk @Adam5 @Dutch_Tooler @pa_strunk
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I'll give it some thought :think:
The trouble is I can't carry it as EDC (UK Laws) and I can't carry it for work (issued kit only) and this severely restricts my usage and, therefore my opinon :dunno:
It's not a bad MT just doesn't quite cut it for me (no pun intended) :pok:
Post by: David Bowen on March 11, 2024, 09:14:27 PM
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on April 12, 2024, 07:29:36 AM