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Title: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Max Stone on March 27, 2019, 11:26:45 PM
A couple of us lefties think we need to share our experiences of living in a right-hand dominant world...from a SAK and MT perspective.

It’s sometimes interesting to see things from the “other hand”  :)

To get the ball rolling, here are a few left field considerations, just looking at my Pioneer X:

When using the blade the scale logo faces away from me. Nail nicks favor holding the SAK in the right hand and using the left thumb nail. Tin opener requires awkward hand arrangement to go anti-clockwise if held in the left hand. With scissors, I have to look over the top to see the exact cut line.

So now I just need to commission Victorinox to manufacture 10k mirrored Pioneers. Or will these end up being left overs?  :pok:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Don Pablo on March 27, 2019, 11:34:34 PM
Funny.  :think:
Since Victorinox put the nail nick on the PX scissors on the opposite side from the way it is on the celidor models, I thought it might be better for left handed people to open.  ;)
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Max Stone on March 27, 2019, 11:38:50 PM
True! We have a win there  :hatsoff:

(Edit: I knew there was something I left out.)

But the scissors still cross over the wrong way  :pok:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Douglas on March 28, 2019, 12:47:51 AM
True! We have a win there  :hatsoff:

(Edit: I knew there was something I left out.)

But the scissors still cross over the wrong way  :pok:
Give the Spirit scissors a try.  :whistle:
As a right handed person I find Vic's approch to OHO to be backwards.  The OHO blade is always on the far side of the handle from my right thumb unlike all my other OHO's where it is right next to my thumb.  the liner locks also seem to be left hand oriented.  Does it work any better for a lefty?
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 28, 2019, 12:55:05 AM
Give the Spirit scissors a try.  :whistle:
As a right handed person I find Vic's approch to OHO to be backwards.  The OHO blade is always on the far side of the handle from my right thumb unlike all my other OHO's where it is right next to my thumb.  the liner locks also seem to be left hand oriented.  Does it work any better for a lefty?

oh...this is going to be good...


 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: MTFool on March 28, 2019, 01:00:22 AM
Thanks for the thread.....   :drink:


On leatherman MTs the oho does not apply.   I think the free series might  address it to some degree,  we'll see.

Serrated edges are backwards for us.   


I'll add to more when i get a chance.
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Poncho65 on March 28, 2019, 01:27:07 AM
oh...this is going to be good...


 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

 :iagree:

 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Douglas on March 28, 2019, 02:20:35 AM
:iagree:

 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: AndyTiedye on March 28, 2019, 03:26:26 AM
111 OHO are better for lefties. Easy one-hand close with the left hand but not the right.
130 OHO (Wenger/Vic Delemont New Rangers) are right-handed.

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Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: AndyTiedye on March 28, 2019, 03:50:40 AM
Wenger used to make SAKs specifically for lefties:(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190328/70a7e096d3e15ac075a228edff8e3b4a.jpg)

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Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Douglas on March 28, 2019, 04:22:58 AM
111 OHO are better for lefties. Easy one-hand close with the left hand but not the right.
130 OHO (Wenger/Vic Delemont New Rangers) are right-handed.

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 :facepalm:

No you didn't.  :twak: :twak:

Now I'm going to have to find one.
 :facepalm:
Already spotted a couple of Rangergrip 78's   :drool: :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: pfrsantos on March 28, 2019, 01:03:06 PM
A couple of us lefties think we need to share our experiences of living in a right-hand dominant world...from a SAK and MT perspective.

It’s sometimes interesting to see things from the “other hand”  :)

To get the ball rolling, here are a few left field considerations, just looking at my Pioneer X:

When using the blade the scale logo faces away from me. Nail nicks favor holding the SAK in the right hand and using the left thumb nail. Tin opener requires awkward hand arrangement to go anti-clockwise if held in the left hand. With scissors, I have to look over the top to see the exact cut line.

So now I just need to commission Victorinox to manufacture 10k mirrored Pioneers. Or will these end up being left overs?  :pok:

(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/1463611648/h0B2A5CCB/)

 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: pfrsantos on March 28, 2019, 01:04:31 PM
True! We have a win there  :hatsoff:

(Edit: I knew there was something I left out.)

But the scissors still cross over the wrong way  :pok:

(http://thumbpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Oh-I-see-what-you-did-there.jpg)

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Wspeed on March 28, 2019, 02:59:51 PM
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :like:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Max Stone on March 28, 2019, 04:19:09 PM
I’m pleased no one’s left behind on this thread  :facepalm:

But seriously, I need to look for one of those lefty SAKs  :like:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: pfrsantos on March 28, 2019, 04:26:46 PM
I’m pleased no one’s left behind on this thread  :facepalm:

But seriously, I need to look for one of those lefty SAKs  :like:

I know, right?

 :whistle:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Max Stone on March 28, 2019, 04:39:46 PM
Oh no...just now this will be another ‘wrong’ thread.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: pfrsantos on March 28, 2019, 04:49:24 PM
Oh no...just now this will be another ‘wrong’ thread.  :facepalm:

Sorry, my bad...

 :-\

Show content
I should have left it alone...

 :whistle:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Max Stone on March 28, 2019, 04:51:20 PM
 :rofl:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Wspeed on March 28, 2019, 04:53:48 PM
 :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: MTFool on March 28, 2019, 09:45:20 PM
This is a follow up from my last previous post ....... as you can see from the pictures OHO on leatherman does not apply.
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Wspeed on March 28, 2019, 09:48:48 PM
That can be very annoying  :(
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: MTFool on March 28, 2019, 09:51:41 PM
I not even going to discuss liner locks till I get some pics.   :tu:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Wspeed on March 28, 2019, 09:53:10 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: AndyTiedye on March 28, 2019, 09:53:54 PM
Wouldn't it be a simple matter to take the LM apart and rearrange the tools to be leftie-friendly?

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Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Max Stone on March 28, 2019, 09:54:48 PM
This is a follow up from my last previous post ....... as you can see from the pictures OHO on leatherman does not apply.

Yup. And I tried to swap around the blades on my Wave but the machining for the lock is then wrong.  :(
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Max Stone on March 28, 2019, 09:56:28 PM
Wouldn't it be a simple matter to take the LM apart and rearrange the tools to be leftie-friendly?

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(Tried. Comment above)
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: AndyTiedye on March 28, 2019, 10:05:27 PM
I not even going to discuss liner locks till I get some pics.   :tu:
Here are some.
111 OH Close (lefthanded)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190328/43a18c7c9c5fd0e08aa34ddf1e7dc991.jpg)

130 has a button to release, and it's on the right side.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190328/0ef473cb0c1feefda5edbbddefea348a.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190328/131499ddab6fa832398a185937737329.jpg)

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Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Max Stone on March 28, 2019, 10:27:28 PM
Yes. The only 111mm I have is also Left friendly.  :iagree:

Not sure if all 111mm liner locks are like this?  :dunno:

Liner lock engages from the right, so very natural to close with left hand (gives right handers an idea of what it’s like for us to use ‘normal’ liner locks)  :tu:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: MTFool on March 28, 2019, 10:30:39 PM
nice pics andy.... To be honest I do not own any victorinox lock blades. The other makers out there I own are kind of annoying ....but over time I have gotten used to them, some are  harder to close than others.
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: MTFool on March 28, 2019, 10:34:37 PM
Yes. The only 111mm I have is also Left friendly.  :iagree:

Not sure if all 111mm liner locks are like this?  :dunno:

Liner lock engages from the right, so very natural to close with left hand (gives right handers an idea of what it’s like for us to use ‘normal’ liner locks)  :tu:


Here are some.
111 OH Close (lefthanded)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190328/43a18c7c9c5fd0e08aa34ddf1e7dc991.jpg)

130 has a button to release, and it's on the right side.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190328/0ef473cb0c1feefda5edbbddefea348a.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190328/131499ddab6fa832398a185937737329.jpg)

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 IF Y'all keep talking  I might give the  reason to purchasing one,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, :rant:         :facepalm:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Max Stone on March 28, 2019, 10:42:50 PM
The 111mm liner lock is a dream for lefties...  :tu:

Quick 5 second video demo here: https://youtu.be/3uPg1jV9hWI (https://youtu.be/3uPg1jV9hWI)

Even the Screwdriver lock is left friendly  :salute:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 29, 2019, 02:41:45 AM
 :iagree:

The Nomad, I bought recently, has the same 'reverse' liner locks. I like using it with my left hand more than with my right hand. :)
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Max Stone on March 29, 2019, 09:23:01 AM
Do all the Victorinox 111mm Liner-lock models have the ‘reversed’ lock?  :dunno:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: AndyTiedye on March 29, 2019, 09:27:25 AM
Yes, though the rescue/gutting blade on the Hunter XL and the Dual Pro is right-handed.

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Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Gareth on March 29, 2019, 12:04:50 PM
Nail nicks never really bothered me and I suspect if I ever got my hands on a left handed Wenger it would confuse the hell out of my fingers.  :D

OHO blades though; that's a whole different story.  It always amazed me that LM made a whole new blade for the Danish market but have never made one for what, statistically, has to be one tenth of their market. 
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 29, 2019, 02:37:12 PM
Lefties, in short, are statistically slightly more intelligent than right hand dominant people. That may give an advantage of being faster to adapt to a right-hand oriented tool using the left hand.
Now whether the intelligence will predispose someone to be left-hand dominant, or if left-hand dominance makes people more clever from navigating the right-hand dominant world, is an entirely different topic. Which I won't dive into.

Now, that said. In regards to most SAKs, I would say that the tools aren't specifically designed for the right hand usage. My reasoning for this is that using the left hand opening methods doesn't necessarily have to be like operating it with the right hand. Just use different fingernails to open blades. Once that is the case and one has become very efficient with operating the SAK left-handed, then it looks like they have been leaving right handed people out.  :D

Same with MT scissors. It doesn't take much effort to reposition hand-opposed scissors configurations. I use tons of MT scissors with either hand frequently. It is just a matter of tilting the medium to see the cutting with opposite blade configurations. The the thumb can always be, of whichever dominant hand we discuss, repositioned to operate the scissors more effectively.
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Max Stone on March 29, 2019, 03:36:18 PM
Statistics aside...  :pok:

I would class tool handedness for left handed people into three classes:

1. Almost irrelevant.
No physical difference for left or right use, only visual. Examples would be text on a pen (upside down), logo on a knife (faces away).

2. Mildly annoying.
Tool orientation in left or right hand creates some difficulty for left-handed use. Examples would be knife liner locks and many OHO MTs, digital calipers, potato peelers, tin openers, scissors, smudgy pens.

3. Painful.
Tools physically contoured for right-hand use that are downright painful or sometimes impossible for a left-hander to use. Examples include scissors with ergonomically shaped handles, firearms with thumb rests or shaped stocks, and any other object that requires a firm or prolonged grip that is contoured for the right hand.

Fortunately, most tools fall into categories 1 and 2 and as a lefty I hardly take any notice of the difference.  :salute: (with left hand :-)

Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: MTFool on March 29, 2019, 10:21:35 PM
  :like: :iagree: very well said
Statistics aside...  :pok:

I would class tool handedness for left handed people into three classes:

1. Almost irrelevant.
No physical difference for left or right use, only visual. Examples would be text on a pen (upside down), logo on a knife (faces away).

2. Mildly annoying.
Tool orientation in left or right hand creates some difficulty for left-handed use. Examples would be knife liner locks and many OHO MTs, digital calipers, potato peelers, tin openers, scissors, smudgy pens.

3. Painful.
Tools physically contoured for right-hand use that are downright painful or sometimes impossible for a left-hander to use. Examples include scissors with ergonomically shaped handles, firearms with thumb rests or shaped stocks, and any other object that requires a firm or prolonged grip that is contoured for the right hand.

Fortunately, most tools fall into categories 1 and 2 and as a lefty I hardly take any notice of the difference.  :salute: (with left hand :-)


Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Max Stone on March 29, 2019, 10:24:54 PM
 :hatsoff:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 29, 2019, 11:21:32 PM
Excellent categorization, Max! :like:

For the record, I am technically right-hand dominant. That is, until I had multiple surgeries to repair, and ultimately remove, my right biceps tendon.
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Max Stone on March 30, 2019, 08:06:44 AM
Thanks GLBM.  :hatsoff:

That’s a serious op. But it is remarkable how the body can adapt to changes. Puts lots of things into perspective when something forces you to think or behave differently.  :iagree:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Wspeed on March 30, 2019, 12:27:53 PM
That sounds nasty GLBM  >:(
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 30, 2019, 02:01:31 PM
Thanks GLBM.  :hatsoff:

That’s a serious op. But it is remarkable how the body can adapt to changes. Puts lots of things into perspective when something forces you to think or behave differently.  :iagree:
:cheers:
It really does. Having to buy left-hand configured scissors and shears for leather and veneer was a reality check. :ahhh

Luckily the arm healed and the remaining muscle groups have compensated for it and I can lift about 1/3 the weightI used to. Not great for a job working with antique furniture, but manageable.

All said and done, being left in an ambidextrous state is a huge benefit at my job.   :)

That sounds nasty GLBM  >:(

Thanks, W!  :cheers:

The down time from the first surgery is what caused me to look into possible MT replacements for the Pinchy and my subsequent joining of MT.o and beginning a collection.  :woohoo:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Max Stone on March 30, 2019, 04:19:09 PM
You get collections...and then collections   :cheers:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 30, 2019, 10:46:55 PM
 :woohoo:  That is so true! :iagree:

It always begins with acquiring, then collecting, then collections, and ultimately insanity.  :rofl:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Max Stone on March 30, 2019, 10:55:57 PM
 :rofl: at least we’ll have MTs to escape those straitjackets  :like:
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 31, 2019, 04:26:44 AM
 :rofl:
Good one, Max!
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: eTripper on March 31, 2019, 09:33:43 PM
I've been living in a 'right-handed' world all-of-my-life. :o So most things are just mildly annoying, as others have stated.  I wish, more companies would step-up like Benchmade has with the axis-lock on their ambi auto-knives.  They would garner more sales with southpaws by selling some dedicated models.   
Title: Re: What’s not right for left handers?
Post by: Max Stone on March 31, 2019, 10:49:48 PM
eTripper you’re right (sorry...correct)  :)

Ambidextrous tools are the best as some situations force you to use the other hand. Combat training teaches you to be proficient with your less dominant hand when handling weapons, and if life, you can be faced with an unexpected situation that disables an arm or hand, and you need to deploy a knife or tool by yourself.

Unfortunately, ambidextrous tools require unique designs, and as SAKs and MTs are generally not left/right symmetrical, this can be difficult. The exception are tools that can deploy kinetically, such as some MT pliers. Leatherman Free may also fall into this category because of the new magnetic deployment system...we’ll have to see.  :dunno:

I suppose back locks knives and MTs with symmetrical locks are ambidextrous, but only if the tool supports left/right hand OH opening.