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Title: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on August 23, 2016, 04:48:40 AM
2018 Update: This thread has now been 'stickied ' in the Swiss Army Knights board.
Wiki users: Please feel free to add suggestions or requests to this thread for Wiki updates, or to point out errors.
Wiki editors: Please use this thread to record significant changes you have made, or to float out ideas for changes
Do List: There is an editors' Do List that we will maintain at the bottom of this first post
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SAKWiki, as I am sure everyone on this board knows, is a brilliant and amazing source of information for SAK fans  :D
What is even better is that it was set up, and is maintained, by MTo members  :tu:
To those people, past and present, who created and look after our Wiki we are eternally grateful  :salute:

Several of us here maintain the Wiki and I thought it would be good to get a thread going where we record what we have done - so others can see, and maybe check it out.
Eg - I know a lot of work was done by a couple of members led by enki over the turn of the year to make some corrections following a software change.
And when I go in there I can see that other folk have done stuff  - Eg some good pictures have been recently added

I have done quite a bit of work on it this year - Most of it just minor corrections and format changes –  I rarely change the actual information content - But a few more significant updates.
Here’s my list:

New page
Significant restructuring of pages
Similar updates to multiple pages
Note: I did not do a systematic review/search of the whole site - I just update stuff when I see it!!
There you go I think that is pretty much it  :D

I am usually pretty good at recording the edits I make in the history section – So you can always see precisely what I did and compare with previous versions etc.
And please let me know if I have got anything wrong or if there are more additions - And of course if you are an existing editor you can correct it yourself.

And one plea for help to the more seasoned editors…
In the new Pioneer X page – Most of the page is OK - But the toc does not work
- I seem to have been taken to the wysiwyg editor. – And cannot fix it there – The help tells you how to get out of the wysy editor – But the button to do this is not there – So I cannot fix it.
- Can someone tell me how to do this please, or fix it themselves  :tu:

Cheers all

PS. I know there is a major chunk of work to do for the Delemonts and enki may organise this sometime – Watch this space!!

********************************************************* Do List: *********************************************************
This is a do list for the Wiki editors - Which we will try and maintain with requests and additions (from the end of the thread) - and deletions when completed
Note: This is more for major pieces of work - Hopefully minor updates/corrections will be done on the fly as now
Editors - Please feel free to complete any of the below
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Demel on August 23, 2016, 04:58:51 AM
Wow that's a lot of work. Thanks for letting us know about these updates
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: SAK Guy on August 23, 2016, 05:13:57 AM
Thank you!!!!!! 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: cali-SAK-attack on August 23, 2016, 05:16:53 AM
 8) :salute: :like:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on August 23, 2016, 06:05:29 AM
SAKWIKI is an awesome place to get information all in one place. It has helped me a lot to gain more knowledge for our beloved knife.

I take this opportunity to thank everyone involved in setting this up and for the continued development.  Kudos.

Yesterday, a friend asked me for some info on an 84mm knife with metal saw which we couldn't find on SAKWIKI. Somehow stumbled on this:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=56243.0

There are probably a lot of knifes still not listed. I hope this helps.

Again, thank you everyone for giving us SAKWIKI... :cheers:


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 23, 2016, 01:32:23 PM
Fixed the Pioneer X page for you.

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pioneer+X

You made it a bit too complicated with the code. No need for most of the extras. Text and a img code now and then to make it look better.

Check the format I used for the Main window and the Table of content. Also for the layer tools and such, no need for some links and similar. just use ((Scissors|Scissors for cutting :P )) where the first word is the link to that specific tool page and the second one is what will be displayed on the page. You can of course just use ((Scissors))


As for switching between the wysiwyg editor and the wiki editor, that bugged me to for some time until I realized how to switch between them and had a :doh: moment. :P

Top right corner of the Edit page, there is a Pencil icon, and when you hover above it, it says Switch Editor (wiki or WYSIWYG)  .....

Click it. :facepalm:


:D


Hope this helps. :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 23, 2016, 01:39:45 PM
As for the missing 84mm pages, a lot of the 91mm models we have today once came in 84mm format also. We just need pics of them and the manpower to make all the pages.

Same problem is what hindered me in making the Delemont pages. I created the layer pages, the module for them on the right of the screen and some other stuff, but the actual model pages will be a big project. I thought at first about using the scans from the catalogs for the pics, but as we all know, they aren't exactly always correct, and some of the mockups from the first catalogs were ... flawed ::)

So if someone has a Delemont and is willing to make a pic for it, go right ahead. We'll fix it if needed be but if you follow a code template from an older page, and just change out the text, there shouldn't be any big problems.

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 23, 2016, 01:43:44 PM
One thing that still needs to be done is to check ALL the pages for broken SOSAK links and link them from broken SOSAKonline to working swissarmyknights.com links. The problem being you have to find them in swissarmyknights archives first. :whistle:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: SteveC on August 23, 2016, 01:58:18 PM
Nice work guys  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on August 23, 2016, 02:07:17 PM
Fixed the Pioneer X page for you.
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pioneer+X
You made it a bit too complicated with the code. No need for most of the extras. Text and a img code now and then to make it look better.
.......
Top right corner of the Edit page, there is a Pencil icon, and when you hover above it, it says Switch Editor (wiki or WYSIWYG)  .....
.......
Hope this helps. :salute:

Thanks enki ........... The Master  :D  :salute:
To be honest I am not sure how I created the page - as you can see from the many versions/attempts  :o
I tried to use the template - I somehow ended up in the wysiwyg editor - I did a cut and paste from the Pioneer page - and lots of stuff got added in automatically - I think
 - Will deffo need some coaching if I am to help with the Delemonts !!  :facepalm:
I searched high and low for that pencil icon - As I read about it in the help text - And I still cannot see it   :twak:
Top right I seem to have the help button and a full screen toggle - Guess I am looking in the wrong place.

Anyway it's much better now and the reglar editor is back - And you included the Damascus piccie - Fantastic.

Thanks for all your help  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 23, 2016, 02:18:05 PM
Top row, second on the right in the wiki editor and third from the right on the wysiwyg editor.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 23, 2016, 04:46:39 PM
Red arrow marks the spot

WIKI editor:
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh627/enki_ck/Mics/1_1.jpg)

WYSIWYG editor:
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh627/enki_ck/Mics/2_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: sLaughterMed on August 23, 2016, 04:51:15 PM
You know, we need editors for the Multitool Encyclopedia too  :whistle:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on August 23, 2016, 06:20:07 PM
Wow that's a lot of work. Thanks for letting us know about these updates

+1

Thank you all for the effort and time you put in this.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

:hatsoff:  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on August 23, 2016, 06:29:56 PM
Don't know if this is the right thread to share pics, but just in case.

The horn scaled 84mm is my friend's knife I was talking about earlier. It has the same tool configuration as the 91mm Grand Prix.

Would love to know more about this if anyone has info. Thanks.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160823/8722ff7e6be6b4a59724115a29371861.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160823/a42a4b1cc9310bb51af74c86108842d1.jpg)


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Poncho65 on August 23, 2016, 06:42:06 PM
Very nice work guys :cheers: I use the SAKwiki quite often and it is a great resource for me :tu:

You know, we need editors for the Multitool Encyclopedia too  :whistle:

This is very true and would love if we could get the MT Wiki updated as good as the SAKwiki :dd: as I have used it several times as well but no to the extent the SAKwiki is used because the SAKwiki is more complete :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 23, 2016, 07:02:55 PM
You know, we need editors for the Multitool Encyclopedia too  :whistle:

This is very true and would love if we could get the MT Wiki updated as good as the SAKwiki :dd: as I have used it several times as well but no to the extent the SAKwiki is used because the SAKwiki is more complete :tu:

Get your own thread in the General board! :megaslap:

:rant:



Sheesh, those Plier People ::) Always wanna be cool like the Swiss Mob. :whistle:





Seriously though, the software the wikis use is the same, so if one learns how to do edits and create pages on one, they can transfer the knowledge to the other wiki.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 23, 2016, 07:14:25 PM
Don't know if this is the right thread to share pics, but just in case.

The horn scaled 84mm is my friend's knife I was talking about earlier. It has the same tool configuration as the 91mm Grand Prix.

Would love to know more about this if anyone has info. Thanks.


Maybe better for a separate thread, but jazzbass calls the regular cellidor scaled one 135kmaU or the Small Grand Prix, pics are broken though.
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=21659.0
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on August 23, 2016, 07:19:19 PM
Don't know if this is the right thread to share pics, but just in case.

The horn scaled 84mm is my friend's knife I was talking about earlier. It has the same tool configuration as the 91mm Grand Prix.

Would love to know more about this if anyone has info. Thanks.


Maybe better for a separate thread, but jazzbass calls the regular cellidor scaled one 135kmaU or the Small Grand Prix, pics are broken though.
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=21659.0
Thanks for the info Enki...


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 24, 2016, 02:13:06 AM
Hi all

One of the reasons I signed up to MTO was to offer to do a bit of tidying on SAK Wiki, which I've found to be a fascinating read while thinking about what I want in my next SAK.  As a part of that research I pulled down all of the Victorinox 84mm and 91mm knife pages, and found a few things that complicated my efforts to clearly understand which knifes had which tools that offered which functions.  For example, the can opener tool seems to be described in all these ways:


What I thought might be nice is to tidy up all of the entries so that they and more consistent, and also use that new streamlined list to refresh SAK Selector with equivalent information. Using the knife-to-tool data that has been gather in the reverse direction could also build a tool-to-knife section on each tool page.  Finally, the tables of which knife has which features on the Layer N pages could possibly be updated to show all tool combinations, or similar.

Thoughts and guidance welcome.  I haven't register yet  >:D.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 24, 2016, 03:31:45 AM
A big THANKS to everyone working on cleaning up the Wiki!   :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on August 25, 2016, 02:05:25 AM
Hi all
One of the reasons I signed up to MTO was to offer to do a bit of tidying on SAK Wiki, which I've found to be a fascinating read while thinking about what I want in my next SAK.  As a part of that research I pulled down all of the Victorinox 84mm and 91mm knife pages, and found a few things that complicated my efforts to clearly understand which knifes had which tools that offered which functions.  For example, the can opener tool seems to be described in all these ways:
.......... long inconsistent list !! ........ :o
What I thought might be nice is to tidy up all of the entries so that they and more consistent, and also use that new streamlined list to refresh SAK Selector with equivalent information. Using the knife-to-tool data that has been gather in the reverse direction could also build a tool-to-knife section on each tool page.  Finally, the tables of which knife has which features on the Layer N pages could possibly be updated to show all tool combinations, or similar.
Thoughts and guidance welcome.  I haven't register yet  >:D.

Hey Little Tinker (nice name BTW!!),

Welcome to the forum and thanks for the offer of help
That can opener list is amazing - And funny - I guess the result of multiple authors over a long time, and a tool with several functions
 - As you may know - for these items there is a hyperlink underneath and some display text which the author can edit
For those in the know, I guess it is pretty obvious what the tool is - But for someone unfamiliar - these sorts of inconsistencies are confusing
- It sounds like a lot of work to clean up - Is there a clever automated way to do that? or is it just grunt.
(BTW you sound even more OCD than me!!)

The tool to knife and knife to tool links would be great too.
Detron on this forum created a spreadsheet like that and as you say there is the Selector..

I am just a novice editor (as you can tell) - But maybe enki or one of the other Wiki-meisters will be along soon!!

 :cheers:

Red arrow marks the spot
WIKI editor:
.......
WYSIWYG editor:
.........

Enki - Thanks for the piccies - I was going to ask for that
As I suspected - or hoped!!  (I did not think I was that blind or dumb) - we must have different authorisations - As no little pencil for me  :(

Here is what my editor screen looks like..
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 25, 2016, 02:33:38 AM
I'm here but I shoud be sleeping, it's past 2am here and I work in the morning. :facepalm:

The work threw the years was done by a few authors, and in spells of a few years, mostly not parallel with other authors. Red Ramage pioneered the whole thing and most of the original pages are his. Then came Stressmaster5000, then ICanFixThat and then I and basilio who did a lot for the Wenger pages. That's the ones who worked for longer periods of time, there are still many people who contributed to it, like Andy T. and many ones that were never even members of MTO.

That's why you notice as many different kinds if code as the software changed, some code no longer worked, new commands were added and everybody tried something new to battle the code. Even the code I did isn't consistent threw the years. :oops:

There is a batch edit option we did use prior to the call for help and new editors but it can't be used in all the cases. I'm not even sure where it is as those were always done by whoey. I broke the wiki once or twice so I'd rather not mess with that end of it.

I tried to fix part of it with the how to I posted some time ago to fix the main window on all the pages and make them uniform.

We could probably do a batch edit on the tools too as it only has to change out the letters after the ((tool|... to something we agree on. We just have to agree on some list and forward it to whoey.

One problem however that I see is that although most of the tool descriptions are for the same tool, just worded differently, there are still tool variations that are described in the text after the tool and that would get lost by such a batch edit. For instance the scissors on some Angler SAKs come to mind, those with the fishing led crimpers.

(Too much text for typing on the phone and in bed, sorry for the spelling)

I'll address the sakselektor question when I'm a bit more awake. ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 25, 2016, 02:37:10 AM
@Huntsman

Probably the reason for it. Yeah, I'm an admin there so have a few more permissions available. I'm not sure if anyone even uses the WYSIWYG editor. I'll talk to Whoey to have it disabled if he can, so as to only have the wiki editor available.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 26, 2016, 12:41:30 AM

Hey Little Tinker (nice name BTW!!),
Welcome to the forum and thanks for the offer of help

Thanks for the welcome.  The name has multiple meanings of course, happens to reflect parts of my character (as a friend noted "If it ain't broke we can still fix it"  :D), and my erstwhile vintage Tinker Small is one of my favourite SAKs  ;).  My first planned mod is also Tinker related  ;)...

That can opener list is amazing - And funny - I guess the result of multiple authors over a long time, and a tool with several functions
 - As you may know - for these items there is a hyperlink underneath and some display text which the author can edit
For those in the know, I guess it is pretty obvious what the tool is - But for someone unfamiliar - these sorts of inconsistencies are confusing
- It sounds like a lot of work to clean up - Is there a clever automated way to do that? or is it just grunt.
The tool to knife and knife to tool links would be great too.
Detron on this forum created a spreadsheet like that and as you say there is the Selector..

I am just a novice editor (as you can tell) - But maybe enki or one of the other Wiki-meisters will be along soon!!

 :cheers:

I'm intending that a lot of the edits should be automated, otherwise my enthusiasm could be dented.  I'm not expecting that to be too hard, but we'll see...

On reflection although those various rendition of the same information got a bit in the way of me digesting all the tool layer info into Excel (because I had to flatten them out) it won't be such a practical problem once I can see the raw Wiki source, so probably best to focus on new additions than tidying up perfectly usable current info.  My current ideas are:

- Knife page (eg Tinker Small (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Tinker+84mm)): Leave for now, except maybe rejig thinks like key-ring to be a consistent scale or layer tool.  I need to be strong on this  :P...
- Tool page (eg Phillips Screwdriver Back Tool (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Screwdriver-Phillips): Provide link to knives that have the tool, with indication of how many layers that knife has to give you a sense of whether it's likely to be what you're after.
- Size / layer pages (eg Victorinox 91mm 3 layer (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+91mm+3+Layer+Models)): Expand table to have a column for each differentiating layer / back tool (probably not scale tools - too much noise)

And of course use similar info to refresh the Selector and give dynamic lookup / search as well as simple perusal of that static info.

(BTW you sound even more OCD than me!!)

You could be right   :o...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 26, 2016, 08:36:00 AM
I registered on SAKWiki, so just need editing rights set up to start trialling some of the above.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: zoidberg on August 26, 2016, 08:58:34 AM
I registered on SAKWiki, so just need editing rights set up to start trialling some of the above.

Done.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on August 26, 2016, 09:55:31 AM
To get track of my own edits:
Lately I totally revamped the Wenger Nature Series page (that I think still needs to be ironed out by someone else)
Which implied also updating the Wenger V.I.P related section.

Though most of the edits I done were to correct typo or add infos or a picture here and there like Updating Alox color-palette, Adding Huntsman 3.3713 variation (Ecoline Nylon scales), ...


Is there a page dedicated to scale materials? Or maybe the color-palette could do that too
That's the first thing we see about a SAK (even more if you don't have it in hand)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 26, 2016, 12:21:52 PM

My current ideas are:

- Tool page (eg Phillips Screwdriver Back Tool (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Screwdriver-Phillips): Provide link to knives that have the tool, with indication of how many layers that knife has to give you a sense of whether it's likely to be what you're after.
- Size / layer pages (eg Victorinox 91mm 3 layer (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+91mm+3+Layer+Models)): Expand table to have a column for each differentiating layer / back tool (probably not scale tools - too much noise)


Early examples of the above can be seen at:
- Pliers (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pliers) tool page: I think this looks OK, but maybe a better table title than "Related Knives".  And positioning, taking into consideration that there could also be a Wenger table.

- Victorinox 91mm 3 layer (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+91mm+3+Layer+Models): Default table magic looking too big in narrow-ish browser window, and will be worse on knives with more layers and / or when back tools are included.  Maybe break table into "Common" tools and "SpeSmurfpillst"?  I left out Scale Tools for a similar reason.  Do they warrant a table? Will start to make page big though...  Also thinking of switching "Y" to "L" or "B" to indicate Layer or Back tool location.

BTW, there a couple of gremlins where I parsed the current Wiki data and keyring is listed as a layer tool on just a couple of knives (I think of it as a scale tool), CyberTool and Champion pages have multiple tool config lists, etc.  They'l get fixed as the underlying data is nudged into shape.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 26, 2016, 12:25:00 PM
Done.

Thx  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 26, 2016, 06:21:49 PM
I'm thinking of using TikiWiki's PluginInclude capability to build a pair of  master page of all the new tables and then pull in the right table for each tool or knife.

Has that been tried elsewhere in the Wiki with success or failure?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 30, 2016, 12:41:43 AM
As I suspected - or hoped!!  (I did not think I was that blind or dumb) - we must have different authorisations - As no little pencil for me  :(

Here is what my editor screen looks like..

I landed in the WYSIWYG editor when creating a page  ??? :-[.  No icons to get out for me either  :ahhh, but in the TikiWiki documentation I discovered that adding "&wysiwyg=n" to the edit URL takes you into the 'pure' Wiki code  :tu:.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: ddogu on August 30, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
Whoa, respect  :tu:


You know, we need editors for the Multitool Encyclopedia too  :whistle:

What kind of work is needed, exactly?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 30, 2016, 12:32:30 PM
cool :cheers:

Time to give Whoey a reminder again. >:D He's busy with some real world stuff
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Whoey on August 30, 2016, 02:44:19 PM
was out of town actually, but WYSIWYG editor is disabled now.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: firiki on August 30, 2016, 02:56:43 PM
I volunteered to help with the SAK Wiki right away and I am ashamed to say I haven't done anything yet but look around a bit in there.  :-\  :-[

On the bright side you people should be thankful I haven't been pushing any buttons in there  :whistle:  :angel:  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 31, 2016, 03:00:37 PM
I'm thinking of using TikiWiki's PluginInclude capability to build a pair of  master page of all the new tables and then pull in the right table for each tool or knife.

Has that been tried elsewhere in the Wiki with success or failure?

I've now used that approach to add a knife-tool matrix to each of the Victorinox 91mm 1/2/3/4/5/6+ Layer Model pages.  I'll add them to the 84mm model pages when time permits.  The INCLUDE line on each of those pages takes the relevant snippet from this 'master' page (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Size-Layer+Tables), which can be quickly regenerated from the core database behind the data I downloaded / parsed, which in turn I ought to be able to be able to maintain by re-downloading the knife data as it is updated.

I think a bit of work to ensure the tables don't get too wide could still be useful.  I'm unsure whether the Core and Other tool tables on (say) 5-layer page works as well as intended.  Plus its always hard to pre-guess what everyone else is seeing and whether it is legible or not.  I don't have a web authoring test suite to use...

A future edit would be to remove the original table, but that would take out the (sparse?) width and weight info as well as the corkscrew / Phillips in the 'lite' matrix.  Should that be kept in the new matrices?

Thoughts and inputs welcomed.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: sLaughterMed on August 31, 2016, 03:46:46 PM
Whoa, respect  :tu:


You know, we need editors for the Multitool Encyclopedia too  :whistle:

What kind of work is needed, exactly?
Mostly we need new articles written, and proofreading of current articles. There is a link to the "How To" page for the wiki in my signature, and if you want to make edits and make new pages, I can send you the passcode needed to register.

Amusingly enough, the MTwiki actually benefited from being neglected for so long, and even with a very small group of editors, cleaning up the old code was quick and painless. The SAKwiki is still being cleaned up, despite having much more enthusiasm and support.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on August 31, 2016, 04:00:50 PM
Hi Little Tinker

Well you have certainly been doing some BIG Tinkering.

The tool matrices are a great idea - although the 5 layer page seems to show the 3 layer models - Maybe this is still WIP??
I like the updated front back designation .....
One slight bug/issue - The tool table when I see it overlaps the brand, layer, size keys/links down the right hand side of the page.....

Edit - I also love the Related Knives section in the Tools pages

I have a couple of suggestions on the tables.
1. To save width how about bringing in a two or three letter code for each of the tools - You know the sort of thing: MB, SB, CO, SD, A, CS, KR for instance for a Spartan - We could store the key somewhere in a link or even put it on each page, or update the tool page with the abbreviations ??
2. Again to save width, and given that  just about every SAK has the Spartan tool set - How about missing out those tools from the table and just putting a note where there is a variation (eg for Compacts)? - So there would be one column for the Spartan toolset - And that column would be blank for all knives that contained the Spartan tool set - Then there would be a note number in that column - For instance Note 1 for a Automobile would say the Spartan small blade is replaced by the Technicians screwdriver -  Not sure how well that would work - Might get a bit messy  ....... ???
3. I see you put all the tools in alphabetical order - But how about a more SAK centric logical order with the most common tools starting with the Spartan toolset  first (assuming we don't remove this!  ;) as per suggestion 2) and listing all the tools in the Swisschamp next - Then the less common tools - So the order would be something like:
MB, SB, CO, SD, A, CS, KR, Tp, Tw, Sc, WS, MF, FS, Ph, MG, Pl - followed by all the more unusual tools grouping similar tool together eg PB, MB(S), MB(PS), EB etc etc  ??? ???

Edit - It all seems like a lot of work for you - although I get the impression you are pretty good at this type of stuff - So hopefully can make it a bit easier
Anyway - respect and thanks   :tu:  :salute:

And I have been doing my own Tinkering - So here is a summary:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 31, 2016, 04:43:02 PM
Looking great so far. :hatsoff:

Huntsman covered all I wanted to say as far as the work done so far. Let me know if you encounter any permission problems with the wiki.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: basilio on August 31, 2016, 04:51:37 PM
Been away for ages, just wanted to say hi to everybody and to thank those keeping up the good work with the wiki!
As far as Wenger is related, I remember I had a lot of plans to add small edits and few knives (mostly from the "Wenger love" thread).
Will try to find material of what I was planning to do and pass it to the new super-editors!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 31, 2016, 11:05:36 PM
I have a couple of suggestions on the tables.
<SNIP>

Thanks, all good ideas.  It would be awkward to adjust the current approach to do the Spartan plus / minus thing, but I have thought of similar.  Did you notice the "Tools common to all knives" section that tries to do a similar thing of shrinking down the horizontal width by excluding those tools from the table?

I've put a vertical-text label in, which is somewhat hard to read but does a lot (IMHO) to keep the data more legible overall.  Comments welcome.

I agree on sorting the columns from most to least 'used', and think the Spartan -> Champ -> Other arrangement is good.  I'll do that next, with a twist of tweak it a bit to keep all the blades together so it is easy to see what is in place of a standard blade.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 01, 2016, 03:24:17 AM
Wow - Totally awesome work Little Tinker - Thank you

The new look tables are just fab  :o  :D  :tu:
(And you sorted out the overlap with the index, and I think you got all the layers down to one table - Yay)

The vertical text looks a little weird to start with - But is readable and works perfectly once you get used to it - And better than abbreviations IMHO - as it avoids all confusion and a cross reference

The common tools to all knives is great and works really well - Better approach than my suggestion - One minor comment - I would put all those tools in a horizontal line - Just to save scrolling/space

One comment on the 6+ layer page - The Cyber tools are missing and also the a/b and c versions of the Champion - The a/bs are six layer and have corkscrew/Phillips respectively and the c is seven layer - Maybe this is just WIP

EDIT2: Re the Spartan/common/Champ grouping of the tools - As well as all that it would be good to group by layer then back then scale tools too. I have a spready that does this let me know if you want me to send it to you for a quick gander


EDIT: Oh man I just looked at the source tiki for your new layer tables - Not simple  :o - I hope you automated the creation of those somehow - And switching the columns around will be a nightmare??
Even more respect and awe !!  ;)
Although making the common tools into one line is easy!!

And I guess once these tables are done they are done - And unlikely to need much maintenance
- Maybe just the odd new SAK every now and then - Although I don't think that has happened in the Vic line up for over a decade, possibly not since the Cyber tools in 2000 - with the exception of the Pioneer X and the Delemonts -
They seem to be more prone to reducing, rather than expanding, their SAK product line these days!!
Although there was that comment/hint from Charles Elsener (I think it was on Facebook) about big changes next year
Watch this space   :o


 :cheers: H
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on September 01, 2016, 12:09:28 PM
Agreed, looks excellent. And having worked with and created a few fancytables on the wiki, I know how tricky they can be.

As for the vertical text for the tools, might I suggest making it ALL CAPS? It is much more readable, at least to my eyes, less adjustment.

For instance:

F
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F
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H
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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 01, 2016, 05:48:36 PM
Agreed, looks excellent. And having worked with and created a few fancytables on the wiki, I know how tricky they can be.

As for the vertical text for the tools, might I suggest making it ALL CAPS? It is much more readable, at least to my eyes, less adjustment.

For instance:

F
l
a
s
h
l
i
g
h
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vrs

F
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A
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H
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I think that's very illuminating  ;).  I'll put it in the next round of work.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 02, 2016, 11:48:11 AM


I think that's very illuminating  ;).  I'll put it in the next round of work.

I think all the above is now done.  Remind me if I missed something, or you spot something else (except the extraneous "~hs~" that I know about - not sure why Tiki doesn't like them).
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on September 02, 2016, 01:55:37 PM
Looks very good :2tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 02, 2016, 05:25:01 PM
I'll add the 84mm layer tables and the "Related Knife" sections to each tool page next.

For those worrying about my sanity  :cheers:...  All of this is automated.  Excel spreadsheets contain the data, with some VBA code behind it to squirt out the Wiki code, which then just gets copy / pasted into the actual Wiki editor.  Each incremental change isn't much effort, but I'm quite pleased with how they've all added up to something quite useful :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 02, 2016, 07:29:16 PM
EDIT2: ...it would be good to group by layer then back then scale tools too. I have a spready that does this let me know if you want me to send it to you for a quick gander


I initially read this to mean you have a chart of which layer each tool is in, so we could put L1 to indicate the blades are in the first layer, then L2 for scissors and L3 for openers on a Climber for example.  I think could be handy for anyone who wanted to custom build discontinued items, or build Franken-knives while using the original orders on similar knives to potentially avoid "hiding" nail-nicks, etc.  And SOOOO OCD - what's not to like  ::).

Or did you just mean a simple list of whether each tool is layer / scale / back?  If so then I think we have that covered now (Phillis and fine screwdriver being a bit special because they appear in multiple places...), but let me know if you think the grouping / ordering should be changed.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Gee.B on September 02, 2016, 09:35:50 PM
This maybe a stupid question but has anyone thought about doing a partnership with a company that edit hardcover books to print the content of the wiki on a yearly basis for instance?
I would buy it and this could be a way to support this forum and the wiki contributors while having good info from SAK speSmurfpillsts. 

I know there are companies which do that for blogs for instance,  and even for your Facebook publications. I believe they take a small fee but maybe a poll would give an idea of the number of people willing to buy such a great encyclopedia

Anyway just a thought

</Gee via Tapatalk>

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: sLaughterMed on September 03, 2016, 12:18:42 AM
This maybe a stupid question but has anyone thought about doing a partnership with a company that edit hardcover books to print the content of the wiki on a yearly basis for instance?
I would buy it and this could be a way to support this forum and the wiki contributors while having good info from SAK speSmurfpillsts. 

I know there are companies which do that for blogs for instance,  and even for your Facebook publications. I believe they take a small fee but maybe a poll would give an idea of the number of people willing to buy such a great encyclopedia

Anyway just a thought

</Gee via Tapatalk>
Books have been brought up several times over the years ( I believe J-Sews and Grant both have made plans for one), but there's just not enough support for them. Printers are expensive, and since the information is already free online, who would be willing to shell out the money to cover the book cost?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 03, 2016, 01:36:58 AM
EDIT2: ...it would be good to group by layer then back then scale tools too. I have a spready that does this let me know if you want me to send it to you for a quick gander
I initially read this to mean you have a chart of which layer each tool is in, so we could put L1 to indicate the blades are in the first layer, then L2 for scissors and L3 for openers on a Climber for example.  I think could be handy for anyone who wanted to custom build discontinued items, or build Franken-knives while using the original orders on similar knives to potentially avoid "hiding" nail-nicks, etc.  And SOOOO OCD - what's not to like  ::).
Or did you just mean a simple list of whether each tool is layer / scale / back?  If so then I think we have that covered now (Phillis and fine screwdriver being a bit special because they appear in multiple places...), but let me know if you think the grouping / ordering should be changed.

Hi LT,
Looks really good - Enki's suggestion on the caps really makes the vertical lettering much easier to read - Well done both  :tu:

Sorry for the confusion.
What I meant was that in the existing tables you just group the layer tools together, the backspring tools together, then the scale tools together.
I think this will make it much, much easier to read

So for instance the three layer table would be LB, SmB, PrB, SerB, Tec SD, BO, CO, Comb, Sc, WS, MS, Pl, CT, Fl, MG,        Ph,       CS, Aw, H, Fine, Ch, Mini       Tp, Tw, Pin, Pen, Alti,    KR
I put the Tec SD next to the SmB/PrB as it usually replaces them; the MG at the end of the Layers, next  to the Phillips as they usually sit together, and the Ph can be a layer or a back spring; also the Fl is next to the MG as they are sometimes together, and near the Ph; I just stuck the KR at the end (as its not too important ??  :o )
Also as you have already done the tools that replace each other are next to each other - Also if they are in the same layer they are next to/near each other.
Did you say that the Fine SD can be both too? So that could be a problem. Or was that just the Fine SD vs the Tec SD?

Now I definitely know you automate the creation - and as you asked -  I feel I can suggest this  :tu:  :)
And apologies if this contradicts an earlier comment about keeping the Spartan tools together - But this is better  :o   :tu:
The layer order table I would not be so bothered about - Just me !!

I also noticed that the MB and Awl links in the common tools do not work and there is the ~hs~ as you mention - Is that just a space? if so  could it  just be made a real space, as opposed to a space command ???

And there is one more model that could go in the 6 layer table - It is a Handyman variation - Which the Wiki says is a SABI version, but I think could be an older version - So it could be known as Handyman (old) - Anyway the Fish Scaler replaces the pliers.
I could even try this myself - I think adding a row would be easy enough!! Moving column around - No way!!!

As for my changes - Tiny - compared to LT's magic



Re Books GeeB  - A dump of the WIKI would be good.
As mentioned there have been a few over the years - Some are referenced in the WIKI - Most are out of print I think
Many of us here are waiting for JazzBass's book - which will be just amazing - And way better than a WIKI dump

JB is probably our most knowledgeable member when it comes to history, models and variations of SAKs

PS. Why is your name G.B when your flag is French !! :o  ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 03, 2016, 06:14:54 AM
PS. Tool sequence to be the same in all layer tables ......... of course ..........  ;)  :o  :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 03, 2016, 09:59:04 AM
And there is one more model that could go in the 6 layer table - It is a Handyman variation - Which the Wiki says is a SABI version, but I think could be an older version - So it could be known as Handyman (old) - Anyway the Fish Scaler replaces the pliers.
I could even try this myself - I think adding a row would be easy enough!! Moving column around - No way!!!


Lots of good ideas in there that I'll think about.

Be careful with small edits to the tables since a bulk update (more will be coming to fix the ~hs~, etc...) of the tables will trample on any local edit there, so if knives are missing then adding them to the Wiki pages is the way to go.  I'll periodically refresh the data from those pages.  Pages that describe multiple knives (Cybertool, Champion, etc) are special because they can't easily be parsed, so I do have to manage the knife / tool data for those manually.  So maybe that is the way to handle notable knife variants like the "Handyman (Old)"- I can add a "special" row for  as if it were a second knife on the Handyman page.  Maybe we could invent a way to "encode" those variants so they can all be picked up, "Handyman (Old): ADD Scaler; REMOVE Pliers - Interesting notes".  Sounds complicated already...

Changing the ordering isn't too hard.  As per your next post there is a master list of left-right order, currently around the Spartan -> Champ -> Other model but it can be anything.  I tried a couple of variants but there always seemd to be an outlier that made several choices good but not perfect.  I'll take a look at what you suggest to see if it snaps into place  :tu:.

The ~hs~ thing is odd.  It works if placed in a page "locally" but seems to not do so if using the INCLUDE magic.  I'll swap them for standard spaces, or HTML <nb> which might work.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 03, 2016, 10:20:41 AM
As for my changes
  • I have updated the Cybertool headings to mention S,M,L  (thereby messing up the links in the first para) - Can any body help - I think it does not like the brackets in the headings ??? I tried a slash too this also did not work  :( 


Using F12 on the normal page view (not edit) in IE shows that TikiWIki turns the section heading into...
Code: [Select]
<h2 class="showhide_heading" id="CyberTool_29_S_">CyberTool 29&nbsp;(S)</h2>
EDIT: You can see the same id by hovering over the auto-generated contents links on the page.

So using
Code: [Select]
[#Cybertool_29_S_|Cybertool 29 (S)], as the Wiki code seems to work.

I guess the algorithm is something like turn all non-text characters into underscore, and compress multiple ones to single: Cybertool 29 (S) ->Cybertool_29__S_ -> Cybertool_29_S_
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on September 03, 2016, 11:51:31 AM
Might I suggest adding an index somewhere at the beginning of the page that explains the abbreviations used? Or did I miss it? I understand that L  means the tool is found as inside the SAK, aka a layered tool, S stands for scale tool, B stands for back layer tool, but the occasional browser of SAKwiki might not know that.

Just a thought :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on September 03, 2016, 12:35:18 PM
 :nothingtoadd:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 03, 2016, 12:39:22 PM
Might I suggest adding an index somewhere at the beginning of the page that explains the abbreviations used? Or did I miss it? I understand that L  means the tool is found as inside the SAK, aka a layered tool, S stands for scale tool, B stands for back layer tool, but the occasional browser of SAKwiki might not know that.

Just a thought :D

Yes, that is needed  :salute:.  I was also going to add a "This table updated 2 Aug 2016" tag to help explain if the tables and other Wiki content drift out of sync.

Can we think of anything else  ????
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 03, 2016, 07:58:54 PM
I'll address the sakselektor question when I'm a bit more awake. ;)

Shall we pick that up in the sticky-ed thread  :pok:?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 07, 2016, 09:28:04 AM
Hi Folks

Well I have been tinkering away again and here are the latest updates

I have restructured the Introductory, Tools, Variations and History sections of the Cybertool, Champion, Craftsman, Handyman and Lumberjack pages with the simple objective of making them more readable and easy to use. (For instance  resolving some difficulties/confusion I had when I was first using the Wiki). I have not changed the overall content at all.

I think these changes make it a lot better and hope you agree – Let me know either way.
I will also say up front I really hope these changes will not bu88er up all the great work Little Tinker is doing with the layer/tool pages – Although I think these pages are treated as special cases anyway, and he’s so clever, that even if it does, I am sure he will resolve it!

Here’s what I did - Same types of changes for all the models mentioned above

Introductory Paragraph
These paragraphs are often a ‘stream of consciousness’ containing loads of information and not always so easy to read. I have turned them into a few paragraphs and sometimes moved more detailed information to the other sections, as the first para should just be high level.

Tools sections
All the WIKI pages for these SAKs have different models or versions of that SAK in the Wiki page. I have restructured the tools sections so that you can clearly see the similarities and differences between all the model variations.  Prior to the changes this was not so easy – especially to a new WIKI/SAK user. I could explain how I did this – But it’s best just to go and check it out!! – Say for the  Champion  (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Champion).

History/Variations Sections
I found these sections a little jumbled up so used this logic to build the sections.
Again I could try and explain this here – But it’s easiest just to go and check – Say the Craftsman  (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Craftsman).

That’s it for the restructuring!!

A couple of other changes.
That really is it!! Let me know id you have any feedback.
I hope this is OK with y'all and I have not offended or messed up any current or previous editors' work

Oh - Very pleased with myself on the MTo editing front too - As I have learnt how to hide a URL under a  Reference (http://www.sakwiki.com).

And there is one more model that could go in the 6 layer table - It is a Handyman variation - Which the Wiki says is a SABI version, but I think could be an older version - So it could be known as Handyman (old) - Anyway the Fish Scaler replaces the pliers.
I could even try this myself - I think adding a row would be easy enough!! Moving column around - No way!!!
Lots of good ideas in there that I'll think about.
Be careful with small edits to the tables since a bulk update (more will be coming to fix the ~hs~, etc...) of the tables will trample on any local edit there, so if knives are missing then adding them to the Wiki pages is the way to go ……….

And don’t worry LT – There is no way I am going near those pages whilst you are working your magic!! I just said I could do it not I would do it!!

I was using your new tables recently – And I do really believe they should be grouped into layer, back, scale as I suggested above. It will make it much, much easier to use.
And thanks again for all your great work.

Gotta step back now as this is taking way too much time!!!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 07, 2016, 04:02:39 PM
I agree the last iteration was a bit mangled, but I've a revised order that I've found easier to use which is:
- Spartan tools plus speSmurfpillst blades ordered layer, back, scales;
- Followed by remaining tools ordered same way.

Would that work for you?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 07, 2016, 04:32:15 PM
I still think grouping all the layer, then back, then scales, tools together works best - Something like:

LB, SmB, PruB, SerB, Tec SD, BO, CO, Comb, Sc, WoodS, MetalS, Fish, Pliers, Cyber, Flash, Mag, ElecB, Spatch, Divot, , Lighter        Phil,       CorkS, Aw, Hook, Fine, Ch, Mini       Tp, Tw, Pin, Pen, Alti,    KR

Maybe we need to make two Phillips (back + in line) for ease of making the table

In my own personal excel db (which is a rework of Detrons spready)  I have something like this order:
LB, SmB, , BO, CO, , Sc, WoodS, MetalS, Fish, Mag, Phil (inline),  Pliers,Flash , PruB, SerB, , ElecB,  Comb, Divot, Tec SD,  Cyber,Spatch, , Pharm, Lighter            Aw,  CorkS, Phil,  Hook, Fine, Ch, Mini       Tp, Tw, Pin, Pen, Alti,    KR
So Layer - Back - Scales
In the layer section: The Swiss Champ tools set first -then the other blades, then the other half tools, then the more obsure ones  I find it works pretty well

Who would have thought this would be so Hard!!  :o

Anyone else any thoughts????
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: sLaughterMed on September 07, 2016, 06:36:29 PM
I just took a peek at the SAKWiki, it looks fantastic guys! Keep up the good work :2tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 08, 2016, 08:38:24 AM
Couple of other wee comments.

In the second sequence suggestion above - For the layer section (and actually also the back and scales sections too)
The sequence is actually:
Spartan Tools - Swiss Champ tools  -then the other blades - then the other half tools - then the more obsure ones

If you build it this way you get more of the the 'tool present' markers in the table grouped together towards the left of the table section, In other words as you move from left to right - you move from more common to less common
 - Ie Nearly all (EDIT: tools ) SAKS have the Spartan toolset, most have the scissors, many have one or more of the Swisschamp tool set, few have the obscure blades/tools typically just the XLT, XAVT etc
- This I feel makes it easier to use
Does that make sense? Or at least have I explained it clearly ???
Actually why am I trying to explain it  ??? - Pictures speak louder than words - I attach a picture of an extract from my spready below
The shaded vertical lines are the Spartan tool set !!

Anyway I'll shut up now  ::)  :o  :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 08, 2016, 11:14:12 AM
I've put a new order in the tables.  Still slightly different to what you propose, but closer.  I wasn't ignoring you though - just didn't have time to try it out before rebuilding.

I've also added a master tool-to-knife page for Victorinix, and added the relevant list to Altimeter and Chisel tool pages.

As ever, things to sort out remain but comments invited.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 08, 2016, 10:18:37 PM
Would it be at all useful to put this in the Wiki somewhere, which shows how you can move from Spartan to SwissChamp adding one tool layer at a time amongst the knives in the Victorinox  2015 catalogue? Or maybe an expanded version showing discontinued knives as well (which could get messy!)?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on September 09, 2016, 12:06:40 PM
I noticed I had some different model of scissors and stamping on my few 74mm:
So here is the table to help dating other 74mm :)
Not sure how to put this into SAKwiki, i can upload the full-res picture to the gallery, but the table should be remastered
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on September 09, 2016, 10:50:59 PM
Would it be at all useful to put this in the Wiki somewhere, which shows how you can move from Spartan to SwissChamp adding one tool layer at a time amongst the knives in the Victorinox  2015 catalogue? Or maybe an expanded version showing discontinued knives as well (which could get messy!)?

:like:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 10, 2016, 04:28:07 AM
Hi LT

Great work - That new sequence is much, much better - Brilliant - Thank you

OK Feedback time - Apologies in advance - Some of this is really anal!!

I think that's it

Thanks again LT for the awesome work - And please don't take all my anal comments personally !!  :o   :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: JamesJ on September 11, 2016, 09:36:28 AM
First of all, I just wanna thank all contributers to the wiki, I'm on there reading all the time. Great job already even with the to-do list of things being discussed.

If nobody has mentioned, I didn't see anything about the 2 different mini screwdriver shapes on the page for that tool. (Old rounded and newer hex)

Do paypal donations to multitool.org help sakwiki as well?

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 11, 2016, 12:10:55 PM
Thanks for all the support and feedback.  It helps me find the time and energy to keep tinkering  :D.  It's all very constructive and welcome  :tu:.


My preference is still the sequence I discuss above (all L,B,S together and within that Spartan, Champ, others)  - But that's just me. If you do leave it as it is now - One change I would make is to swap the position of the CS and Phillips - So that all the L's and B's are together in that section
I'm not averse to that, just prioritising other stuff  :P.  I'll revise it again and we can gather views afterwards.

The hyperlinks to Champions and Cybertools don't work - That probably was me - Sorry  :(
No, probably me.  The multi-knife pages expose a few quirks in the way I built the data.  I'm planning to address it  :salute:.
The hyperlinks to mainblade and awl and small blade don't work
Well spotted.  That's me tangling up simple names and page names  :oops:.
The list of 'common to all' tools would be better with commas - This is really OCD  :twak: !!!
Good idea.  I also don't like the simple string of names  :tu:.
For the six + layer table I don't think you need the extra text saying how many layers is in the SAK - It's in the table above - So unneccessarily doubles the depth of the table
I'm in two minds about having it.  It's got the wrong numbers at the moment anyway, so I'll simply remove for now  ;).  Shall we keep the upper table, and start filling in more of the info (but remove the Philips / Corkscrew columns  :-\?
The tool to model reference is brilliant - I always wanted one of those - I would be tempted not to bother with those tables for the Spartan toolset  - As the tables are so big (eg check out the keyring!!) and pretty much all SAKS have the Spartan tool set, but the rest are really, really useful 
They all get generated automatically at the mo.  I wasn't planning to put ones that are unhelpfully large onto the tool page, for the reasons that you suggest.  I'll take a look at filtering them out of the master table as well, or moving them to the end as a "well, if you really want to know" section  :whistle:.
The Cyberbits related SAKs table - Should probably be the Cybertool not the bits
Another artefact of the way the data was parsed form the current Wiki knife pages.  My preference would be to define "Cyber Set A" and "Cyber Set B" for the two sets of 4 bits, and reference these as included to show the differentiation  :-\.
Love the family tree too - Really nice - Really useful - That could go somewhere on the tools main page, or better still the page of 91mm (and 84mm) SAKs that does not have the layers ?? Someone else here did one of those with all the models, and as you say it was pretty complex - So I think your curent model one works best - And you can always cross reference a current model to an older model if you will
I'll upload the diagram and we can work out where to position it  :tu:.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 20, 2016, 08:49:03 AM
OK SAK fans

Help needed please......

1. One thing the WIKI is sadly lacking is dates - Can anyone help?
- For instance when a model came out and when it was discontinued.
We have a History section where this could go but it is rarely populated
Of course for the longer running knives this is a little complex eg The Climber - previously was the Traveller, prior to that a numeric model no etc etc
But for some others it could be simpler ???
If anyone has any information on dates for models please put it here (and we will update) - or in the Wiki if you are an editor
I will be popping my tool dating spready into the tools section in the near future - So that will help with dating the tools

2. From the very generic to the very specific - Is the 'Luxury Automobile - Special' a real SAK ???
There is the three layer Automobile which is well defined - There is also the three layer Automobile Special, which is also well defined.
Although rather unfortunately named, if you ask me, as it is more of a thinner Grand Prix
We have the 5 layer Luxury Automobile - Also well defined
Then in the 5 layer index page there is a knife called the 'Luxury Automobile - Special' - The link takes you to the Luxury Automobile - But there is nothing in that page to describe that SAK. The layer index page indicates that it has a Phillips not a corkscrew - But that is all -
Does it really exist ??- If so I will update the Lux Auto page with this description (ie Lux. Auto swapping corks. for Ph.)
If not can we get rid of it in the index page??

My latest updates:
Any comments, feedback, suggestions, requests - Let me know  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 25, 2016, 04:42:40 PM
Well not too many responses to that post !!  :o  ;)

On the Luxury Automobile Special - I think I might answer my own question.
I searched the net and could not find any references to it anywhere - Not in Smart Knives or a few blogs (some from our people - eg LeaF, Stressmaster) or anywhere else.
I think the infamous 'Luxury Autombile Special' is actually the Handyman 7236maU - The toolsets match !
So I am proposing to delete the LAS from the 91mm lists - OK??

In my search I found a very interesting site: Victorinox Enciclopedia (http://victorinox.altervista.org/blog)
- OK so it's in Italian - But does it look familiar ??? ............ Very familiar ???

Well I thought I had finished my editing - But I don't seem to be able to stop  :facepalm:
Discovered the Swisstool pages and they needed some work.
Here's what I did ...
Split up the intro para a bit; Put the individual common tools in the 'Handles section' in a nice bulleted list - in line with the rest of SAKWIKI; Created a new section for the models, and their tool variations (best bit  :)); Converted the 'Removable Tools' section from a 'stream of consciousness' to a nice bulleted list; Tidied up the variations section.
Now you can clearly and easily see which tools are in which models, and the differences between the models  :salute:
And similar changes for the Spirit.

As always:
Any comments, feedback, suggestions, requests, criticisms - Let me know   :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 25, 2016, 09:28:41 PM
I think the availability dates would be handy as well.  Small wrinkle perhaps that they seem to be region related sometimes though.

Luxury automobile are not words I get to use much, and can't help this time either.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on October 09, 2016, 09:41:27 PM
I was trying to unbreak links toward SOSAK on the Soldier 1961 sakwiki page...
I could find the WaffenKontrolle article on SwissArmyKnights,
but for "Soldier Variants" only found this :
Soldier variants, part 2 (http://www.swissarmyknights.com/articles/2008/79-april-2008/554-soldier-variants-part-ii)
and an old broken cache (http://web.archive.org/web/20110407193935/http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=126&Itemid=35) of the original post
I found this (in french (http://www.couteaux-du-soldat-suisse.ch/J01/index.php/en/les-couteaux-du-soldat/les-modeles-1961))
This pic (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,49775.msg833353.html#msg833353) is great too, but would need a legend)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-07phNkR5YSk/UI7-YOy263I/AAAAAAAACJk/h9zzOjPY_ek/s640/Soldiers%25201.JPG)

So, HELP  :angel:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: JamesJ on October 20, 2016, 09:11:55 PM
I realize this ain't a "submit errors" thread but here I go again  :twak:<--me

Is this supposed to be 100mm?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on October 21, 2016, 12:38:26 AM
I realize this ain't a "submit errors" thread but here I go again  :twak:<--me
Is this supposed to be 100mm?

I think it could be - I don't think any editors here would have a problem with that!!

Good spot (I rarely visit that page) - And look again   :o ;)  :D  :tu:

And/or become an editor !  :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 21, 2016, 06:59:07 PM
The SAKWiki is a wonderful thing, but I've not been able to find any way to search it - am I missing something obvious, or is search for some reason not currently implemented?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on October 21, 2016, 08:53:29 PM
The SAKWiki is a wonderful thing, but I've not been able to find any way to search it - am I missing something obvious, or is search for some reason not currently implemented?

best way : go to google, and type
Code: [Select]
site:http://www.sakwiki.com climber to get climber related SAKwiki articles :)

more simple way simply type sakwiki before what you are searching for:
Code: [Select]
sakwiki climber (which will give you also non sakwiki sites talking about sakwiki and climber
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on October 21, 2016, 10:13:16 PM
Yes I have had that problem too - And also used M47's 2nd solution

However there is a native serach capability - But only if you logon with your user id

If you logon then  a search field  becomes available where the logon fields were and it works just like you'd expect it to - even your search term is highlighted in the texts :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 21, 2016, 10:20:55 PM
Yes I have had that problem too - And also used M47's 2nd solution

However there is a native serach capability - But only if you logon with your user id

If you logon then  a search field  becomes available where the logon fields were and it works just like you'd expect it to - even your search term is highlighted in the texts :tu:


Ah okay, I better register then!  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on October 21, 2016, 10:39:46 PM
Yes I have had that problem too - And also used M47's 2nd solution

However there is a native serach capability - But only if you logon with your user id

If you logon then  a search field  becomes available where the logon fields were and it works just like you'd expect it to - even your search term is highlighted in the texts :tu:

You are perfectly right, but it takes a lot less time to type "sakwiki+[what you search for]" in the address bar, than going to sakwiki, log in, search  :cheers:
and to highlight the term CTRL+F [what you search for]
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on October 22, 2016, 01:48:25 AM
OK - So you want to get into a 'my way is better than your way' debate

That's fine - I concede - You win - Congratulations  :tu:

For me - I was just answering a question that was asked - And Oxford Guy, and anyone else, can make their own decision on what works best/well for them
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on October 22, 2016, 07:52:11 AM
That only was the lurker option.

BTW no one helped for the soldier 1961 variants. I doubt nobody knows...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 22, 2016, 10:20:07 AM
OK - So you want to get into a 'my way is better than your way' debate

That's fine - I concede - You win - Congratulations  :tu:

For me - I was just answering a question that was asked - And Oxford Guy, and anyone else, can make their own decision on what works best/well for them


Well I've got several options for searching now, so all good - thanks guys!  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on January 09, 2017, 01:38:14 PM
Was just browsing the 111mm fireman on sakwiki...

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Fireman

Under related knives, Trekker should have probably read "replaces corkscrew with phillips and removes belt cutter" should it not?
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170109/9294f72b1795cc3fce528cb4400fcab4.png)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on August 22, 2017, 02:36:50 AM
The Tomo is currently documented as a variation on the Classic in the WIKI ....... Really ???

I think it is a separate model and as such should have its own page.

What say you?  - Oh Knights ???

Speak and it shall be done  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on August 22, 2017, 02:55:17 AM
It has exactly the same tool set and tool size as the classic sd... minus T&T...

I think it should be ok for it's own page...


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Frailer on August 22, 2017, 03:18:56 AM
I just want to take a moment to give a big thank you for all the work that has gone into--and continues to go into--the SAKWiki.

We're fortunate to have such a marvelous resource. I'm sure it will always be a "work in progress," but what a wonderful piece of work it is.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: an0nemus on August 22, 2017, 09:52:34 AM
I just want to take a moment to give a big thank you for all the work that has gone into--and continues to go into--the SAKWiki.

We're fortunate to have such a marvelous resource. I'm sure it will always be a "work in progress," but what a wonderful piece of work it is.


Hear, hear!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on August 22, 2017, 10:33:57 AM
One thing that I'd like to discuss - how we're going to reflect in SAKWiki this year's changes (I mean 2017) regarding 111-mm series?


Few ideas:
1. All slide-lock models which weren't replaced with the newest liner-lock models (Cowboy, Atlas) should be marked as 'Discontinued'
2. Models, which had changing locking mechanism from slide-lock to liner-lock (Outrider for example) should be added to the appropriate lists as separate models (Outrider 2 or Outrider 2017).
3. Models, which were relisted with new names (Nomad -> Picknicker,  Sentinel with corkscrew -> Alpineer) should be marked with the link to the new model.


What do you think about this?


P.S. Few months before I've created an Excel worksheet with changes in 111-mm series (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G3_YVwXo2Hx3rLQQClKZMIqgjjkgxKy574_pFOGhcMw/edit?usp=sharing). Maybe it will be interested for someone.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on August 22, 2017, 03:13:34 PM
For the models that converted to liner lock
- To keep things more concise, neater and to avoid duplication I would much prefer to add a note the History section of the affected knives stating that in 2017 this model was converted from a side lock to a liner locking blade.
 
Seems much simpler to me ???

I think this change is like a tool version change or a Champion gaining another layer, or the hook being added to models with scissors.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on August 22, 2017, 05:28:48 PM
For the models that converted to liner lock
- To keep things more concise, neater and to avoid duplication I would much prefer to add a note the History section of the affected knives stating that in 2017 this model was converted from a side lock to a liner locking blade.
 
Seems much simpler to me ???

I think this change is like a tool version change or a Champion gaining another layer, or the hook being added to models with scissors.

Maybe add some new pics, too.
 :pok: :pok:

Instead of saying "in 2017 this model was converted from a side lock to a liner locking blade." wouldn't it make more sense to say "prior to 2017 this model featured a side lock."? It would show the present model and its characteristics, making reference to a different configuration in the past. Most of the SAKs' entries in SAKWiki follow this form: show current model (when still in production), list all the different variations through time.
 :think: :think:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on August 22, 2017, 05:39:19 PM
For the models that converted to liner lock
- To keep things more concise, neater and to avoid duplication I would much prefer to add a note the History section of the affected knives stating that in 2017 this model was converted from a side lock to a liner locking blade.
 
Seems much simpler to me ???

I think this change is like a tool version change or a Champion gaining another layer, or the hook being added to models with scissors.


Let's see what we can do on simple example:


Picknicker (0.8853) - changed locking mechanism and became a Picknicker (0.8353)
Nomad (0.8353.3) - no changes. Renamed to Picknicker
Nomad (0.8351.C, 0.8353.MW3, 0.8351.MWC) - discontinued.


Forester (0.8363.3, 0.8361.MWC, 0.8361.C) - discontinued
Rucksack (0.8863) - changed locking mechanism and became a Forester(0.8363)
Forester (0.8361.MC, 0.8361.63) - new models.


Something like this? If yes - let's imagine next situation:
 I'm a newbie and I'd like to find something about new Picknicker and new Forester models on SAKWiki..
If we're going just to update pages of existing models - there are no dedicated pages for these models and needed information will be presented in old pages only (Nomad and Rucksack accordingly).


In other words - in order to read about Picknicker I need to know that it's a former Nomad, otherwise - I'll not find anything.


Maybe we can add some links with redirection to the pages with TOC?
What do you think?
P.S. Sorry for my English :(
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on August 22, 2017, 06:02:27 PM
For the models that converted to liner lock
- To keep things more concise, neater and to avoid duplication I would much prefer to add a note the History section of the affected knives stating that in 2017 this model was converted from a side lock to a liner locking blade.
 
Seems much simpler to me ???

I think this change is like a tool version change or a Champion gaining another layer, or the hook being added to models with scissors.


Let's see what we can do on simple example:


Picknicker (0.8853) - changed locking mechanism and became a Picknicker (0.8353)
Nomad (0.8353.3) - no changes. Renamed to Picknicker
Nomad (0.8351.C, 0.8353.MW3, 0.8351.MWC) - discontinued.


Forester (0.8363.3, 0.8361.MWC, 0.8361.C) - discontinued
Rucksack (0.8863) - changed locking mechanism and became a Forester(0.8363)
Forester (0.8361.MC, 0.8361.63) - new models.


Something like this? If yes - let's imagine next situation:
 I'm a newbie and I'd like to find something about new Picknicker and new Forester models on SAKWiki..
If we're going just to update pages of existing models - there are no dedicated pages for these models and needed information will be presented in old pages only (Nomad and Rucksack accordingly).


In other words - in order to read about Picknicker I need to know that it's a former Nomad, otherwise - I'll not find anything.


Maybe we can add some links with redirection to the pages with TOC?
  • Forester
  • Forester 2017 -> Rucksack
  • Picknicker
  • Picknicker 2017 -> Nomad
What do you think?
P.S. Sorry for my English :(

I was thinking/suggesting something along these lines:

Picknicker (0.8853)[/color] - In production since 2017 (replaced 0.8353.3 Picknicker)
Picknicker (0.8353.3) - In production from xxxx until 2017 (replaced 0.8351.C, 0.8353.MW3, 0.8351.MWC Nomad) - discontinued, see Picknicker (0.8853)
Nomad (0.8351.C, 0.8353.MW3, 0.8351.MWC) - In production from xxxx until xxxx - discontinued, see Picknicker (0.8353.3)

In case of updated models, the most recent one refers the previous model. All discontinued models refer to the "replacement" model. If there is no update, they just say discontinued and don't point to another model.

Comments, ideas, suggestions?...

 :think: :think:



As for your english, it's way better than my Ukrainian / Russian!
 :salute: :tu:


Edit: colour coded for ease of reading.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on August 23, 2017, 03:57:09 AM
OK – Yes its complicated – And why do Victorinox keep re-using/changing names!!
And maybe I did not explain myself clearly in the last post  :pok:

I would establish some principles to guide what we do and in priority sequence these would be:

----------------------------------------------- EDIT: PS. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And if we put the information the other way around - as you say LeaFy - That might be better and follow my principles better too !! ;) :)
ie Instead of saying:
This model originally had a side locking main blade, which was converted to a liner lock in 2017
We say:
This model has a liner locking main blade - Prior to 2017 it had a side locking main blade
----------------------------------------------- End PS --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So in your examples above LeaFy - We would do the following:

Picnicker/Nomad


We would update the Nomad page with this information:

Intro Paragraph: Withdrawn model
History Section: This model name has been withdrawn however this toolset with liner locking blade and screwdriver from 2017 is known as the Picnicker 

We would update the Picnicker pages with this information:

Intro Paragraph: This model originally had a side locking main blade, which was converted to a liner lock in 2017
Comment at bottom of Tools Section: Blade was originally side/slide locking, blade and cap lifter/screwdriver currently liner locking. 
History Section: In 2017 Victorinox withdrew all their slide locking 111mm Swiss Army Knives and converted many of them, including the Picnicker, to have a liner locking main blade and screwdriver.. The 2017 Picnicker is equivalent to the previous Nomad liner locking model.
Identifiers Section: Updated with appropriate model numbers and comments (eg liner locking version)


And as you say we could add pictures of the new Picknicker.


Rucksack/Forester

We would update the Rucksack page with this information:

Intro Paragraph: Withdrawn model
History Section: In 2017 Victorinox withdrew all their slide locking 111mm Swiss Army Knives including the Rucksack. However this toolset was and is still available in the liner locking Forester model.

Forester pages:
I don’t think that there would be a need to change anything in the Forrester pages apart from update any new models –
I guess we could put this comment in History
History Section: In 2017 Victorinox withdrew all their slide locking 111mm Swiss Army Knives and converted many of them to have a liner locking main blade. The Forester and Rucksack had equivalent toolsets, with different locking mechanisms, now only the Forester is available.
Identifiers Section: Updated with appropriate model numbers and comments (eg the Wooden Forester etc)


For Models that did a straight conversion eg Workchamp - We would do the following

Intro Paragraph: This model originally had a side locking main blade, which was converted to a liner lock in 2017
Comment at bottom of Tools Section: Blade was originally side/slide locking, blade and cap lifter/screwdriver currently liner locking. 
History Section: In 2017 Victorinox withdrew all their slide locking 111mm Swiss Army Knives and converted many of them including this model to have a liner locking main blade and screwdriver.


All withdrawn models – Marked as ‘Withdrawn in 2017’ in the intro paragraph 


I know internally the liner lock versions are different ie pin sizes tool widths etc – However I think creating new pages for all these is just too much and will be too confusing. Although we should probably add some commentary to the 111mm side/liner lock comparison pages on this

I would not be adding any new models/pointers to the 111mm lists eg Forester 2017 / Picnicker 2017 etc – Again I think this will be too confusing.

Although to the 111mm layer tables we would need to convert the entry in Column 2 for the Picnicker and any other models that got converted from S to S/L


Phew – How does that sound ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on August 23, 2017, 07:53:08 AM
I just want to take a moment to give a big thank you for all the work that has gone into--and continues to go into--the SAKWiki.
We're fortunate to have such a marvelous resource. I'm sure it will always be a "work in progress," but what a wonderful piece of work it is.
Hear, hear!  :cheers:

Good to hear - Thanks guys

There was a power of work that went into setting up the wiki in the early days by the likes of Stressmaster, ICanFixThat, Enki,  even the boss - and many others
The design and structure is fantastic and the sheer quantity of great content and photos is incredible.
These days it's more of a maintenance task - I am trying to make all the information a little more user friendly, and Mr LeaF is always adding great photos :tu:
Although every now and again there's a chunk of work to do eg ^^^
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Guardian on August 23, 2017, 09:36:41 AM
Thank you all for keeping SAKWiki up and running  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on August 23, 2017, 12:37:37 PM
I just want to take a moment to give a big thank you for all the work that has gone into--and continues to go into--the SAKWiki.
We're fortunate to have such a marvelous resource. I'm sure it will always be a "work in progress," but what a wonderful piece of work it is.
Hear, hear!  :cheers:

Good to hear - Thanks guys

There was a power of work that went into setting up the wiki in the early days by the likes of Stressmaster, ICanFixThat, Enki,  even the boss - and many others
The design and structure is fantastic and the sheer quantity of great content and photos is incredible.
These days it's more of a maintenance task - I am trying to make all the information a little more user friendly, and Mr LeaF is always adding great photos :tu:
Although every now and again there's a chunk of work to do eg ^^^

@Huntsman:
Great work. The ammount of info on this is huge and you're making a great job updating and correcting it.

For the people using the Wiki, I think the most important is to see the current/available models. If there's a number of previous versions, it could be mentioned in those models' pages and people can then look them up, if they want.

I agree with you. Keep the existing pages/info. If a model's name stays the same, just update the page. Refer the changes in the history section of the page. Maybe the discontinued reference should be indicated in the start of the page (in the title, following the model's name or in the first words of the description).

I'll try to see if I have any items that I can take some pictures of to complement some pages.

Shall I send you the pics or post them here and you then decide when/if you insert them in the Wiki?

 :salute: :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on August 24, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
Regarding changes related to the 111-mm series (2017 year) - I have to take some time-out :)
Too much information, thoughts and ideas..


Right now I'm working on 84-mm TOC pages - adding some links, creating empty pages for missing models an so on.  :whistle:




UPDATE: Did some changes in 84-mm TOC pages; added Lumberjack Big to the list of 91-mm models; added some photos to the Climber, Golfer Special and AutoTools pages.
Mr. Huntsman, need your verification, specially Autools page ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Whoey on September 07, 2017, 03:26:20 PM
So we are using what is essentially a Swiss army knife of wiki software that has many features we aren't using, also it has been updated a number of times and I suspect there's a number of things that aren't functioning correctly as perhaps they were obsoleted or broken during upgrades or perhaps maybe mis-configured and lost in the oblivion of the cyberspace highway.

Huntsman brought up that the page hit counters seem to be broken. I suspected that it's something that happened when we upgraded to 15.x quite some time ago, but can't seem to find anything offering a fix (but another person did report the same problem).

One option is to upgrade to the next/current version of TIKIWIKI, but given that at least 90% of these extra features are disabled and we don't need them anyways, perhaps an alternative more basic solution might be worthwhile looking into. This would give us the opportunity to clean up a lot of garbage and even perhaps restructure the wiki making it easier to browse for all.

I may have mentioned in the past I have no experience in the wiki software usage, its original installation predates my involvement in the MTO empire, all I have done is mostly update the software, adjust some themes and logos. I also may have mentioned my lack of love for the tikiwiki software, personally I find it messy and complicated to do simple things.

My question to you sakwiki editors, would you be interested in migrating to a new setup? Many hands would make for quick work. Ideally we'd have both a new and old wiki online at the same time until we are happy that the new contains all the old info (and more) and then retire it/swap out.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on September 07, 2017, 04:31:34 PM
If for page hit counters you mean a counter to show how many people have visited a certain page before you, it's almost completely abandoned. Not very important to know if the page I want had 20 or 20.000 visitors before me, I just want its contents.

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on September 07, 2017, 06:30:09 PM
Moving to another wiki might be a good idea -maybe mediawiki? Or a markdown based one?-
But that would need to rewrite every single article, (reupload files too? At least re-link to them) with new syntax, new way of working.

Starting from scratch has a lot of advantages, but keep in mind that it will need an enormous amount of work and we will loose the edit history -that I use sometimes to track some info that might have been modified/lost at some point-.
And we already lost some SOSAK links/content with broken links, moving on a new base will make loose some more obviously...

If you decide to go for a new wiki, I'll try to give a hand at rewriting a few articles, but this will take long long time :-)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Ron Who on September 07, 2017, 07:46:00 PM
One thing that I'd like to discuss - how we're going to reflect in SAKWiki this year's changes (I mean 2017) regarding 111-mm series?


Few ideas:
1. All slide-lock models which weren't replaced with the newest liner-lock models (Cowboy, Atlas) should be marked as 'Discontinued'
2. Models, which had changing locking mechanism from slide-lock to liner-lock (Outrider for example) should be added to the appropriate lists as separate models (Outrider 2 or Outrider 2017).
3. Models, which were relisted with new names (Nomad -> Picknicker,  Sentinel with corkscrew -> Alpineer) should be marked with the link to the new model.


What do you think about this?


P.S. Few months before I've created an Excel worksheet with changes in 111-mm series (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G3_YVwXo2Hx3rLQQClKZMIqgjjkgxKy574_pFOGhcMw/edit?usp=sharing). Maybe it will be interested for someone.
There is an Alpineer already.(111mm slide-lock).
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: El Corkscrew on September 07, 2017, 10:16:44 PM
One thing that I'd like to discuss - how we're going to reflect in SAKWiki this year's changes (I mean 2017) regarding 111-mm series?


Few ideas:
1. All slide-lock models which weren't replaced with the newest liner-lock models (Cowboy, Atlas) should be marked as 'Discontinued'
2. Models, which had changing locking mechanism from slide-lock to liner-lock (Outrider for example) should be added to the appropriate lists as separate models (Outrider 2 or Outrider 2017).
3. Models, which were relisted with new names (Nomad -> Picknicker,  Sentinel with corkscrew -> Alpineer) should be marked with the link to the new model.


What do you think about this?


P.S. Few months before I've created an Excel worksheet with changes in 111-mm series (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G3_YVwXo2Hx3rLQQClKZMIqgjjkgxKy574_pFOGhcMw/edit?usp=sharing). Maybe it will be interested for someone.
There is an Alpineer already.(111mm slide-lock).

The Passenger was also called the Alpineer....  and had the "Alpineer" inlay
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: El Corkscrew on September 07, 2017, 10:18:05 PM
 :climber:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on January 11, 2018, 04:36:21 AM
Well folks time for my annual report on Wiki updates.
I have been beavering away over the last year and done a lot of work – So here’s a summary......   :salute:
Please let me know any comments or feedback on this - Thanks

The main goals of the work were to:

The following pages have had major redesigns/complete reworks:
Tool List;  Wenger 130mm Tool Comparison; 111mm layer pages; 74mm Main page; Autotool; Wenger Series Menu; Swiss Card; 1890/1961 Soldier - History sections; 58mm layer pages; Jetsetters

The most significant being the first two in the list. These pages were a great concept, but, IMHO, poorly implemented, almost to the point of being unusable (eg the Tool List page was originally 18 screenfulls long – It is now 8 - yet with more information !)

The following pages have had significant updates:
Several series pages - eg Battles; XAVT; Minichamp; All 58mm USB SAKs; Classic; Signatures;  Vic 91mm main page; All timer/altimeter models; Original Officer's Knife

Also of note:
Pioneer; Some Swiss Bucks; Mountain SAKs - McKinley etc; Bernina; Tools titles; 58mm Golf SAKs; All the other 91mm XLxx models ……

And several other pages with minor updates   

If anyone wants to know specifically what was done for any page – Just ask, or check the history button – I try to always complete this

And finally, the new pages:
Tomo (previously was a variant of the Classic); Delémonts .... Here is a link (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Del%C3%A9mont+130mm)

For the Delémonts - I have taken a slightly different approach to previous Wiki pages - So would welcome your feedback:
BTW – I did not finish the 85mm Delés – If anyone wants to finish them off – Please go ahead.
I would advise copying one of the existing Delés – as opposed to using the template or the Wenger version.

I hope what I am doing is all OK  -    ???
I think it’s all a great improvement – Just a bit worried that I am re-working some of the good and significant work done by the earlier Wiki editors.

I’ll maybe put a post here later with the ‘still to-dos’ – There is still quite a lot !!

And as always post here - If you spot errors, gaps etc
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Whoey on January 11, 2018, 10:26:46 AM
awesome, there's always room for improvement, and looks like you found a bunch of ways to do so.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: ThePeacent on January 11, 2018, 10:33:20 AM
such a good, long and time consuming work that you've done for us, and the world
I thank you for that!   :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Don Pablo on January 11, 2018, 11:15:53 AM
 :salute:
Sounds like a smurf ton of work.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on February 13, 2018, 06:49:41 PM
Just spotted some contradictory info relating to the OH GAK...
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180213/b46133b8f4d80bb1466f366a59c46e21.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180213/c96b94cde9348c1185f0d3c256cceb25.jpg)

For the 58mm page, how are layers counted? Is it based on liners or backsprings?... The short list for 2 layer 58mm includes Rambler/Manager, etc. apart from the Classic...


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on February 13, 2018, 09:01:17 PM
Hi JM - Thanks for the feedback
Just spotted some contradictory info relating to the OH GAK...
Sorry if I am being thick - Can you be more explicit on the contradiction please  ;)  ???

For the 58mm page, how are layers counted? Is it based on liners or backsprings?
... The short list for 2 layer 58mm includes Rambler/Manager, etc. apart from the Classic...
Please see notes here:
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+58mm+2+Layer+Models   - Bottom of page

These are referred to at the top of every layer page

Is this OK ?   Not clear?   Need to go somewhere else?   ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: El Corkscrew on February 13, 2018, 09:22:54 PM
Why ya gotta poke Eeyore, J-Man?    :pok: :rofl:    I'd discovered the layer thing...   The more I think about the wiki the more I realize how much work it is and awlso that it kinda depends on point of view as far as including information and saying what other knives are "related" to others...

I do usually eventually find the answer I'm looking for on there, just might not be the first place I look.... and that's OK.  :D 

 :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on February 13, 2018, 10:43:12 PM
Hi JM - Thanks for the feedback
Just spotted some contradictory info relating to the OH GAK...
Sorry if I am being thick - Can you be more explicit on the contradiction please  ;)  ???

For the 58mm page, how are layers counted? Is it based on liners or backsprings?
... The short list for 2 layer 58mm includes Rambler/Manager, etc. apart from the Classic...
Please see notes here:
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+58mm+2+Layer+Models   - Bottom of page

These are referred to at the top of every layer page

Is this OK ?   Not clear?   Need to go somewhere else?   ???
In the description box at the top, the trecker is referred as the civilian version of the original OH GAK...

Under variations no.2, OH GAK is described as the civilian version of the original OH GAK... maybe contradictory is not the right word, but rather confusing... any physical differences between OH GAK and OH GAK?

On the layers page, i didn’t notice it was there... thanks for pointing...

Hmmm, the Original Vagabond is 4 layers, where as the SwissBianco Vagabond would be 3 layers... right?




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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on February 13, 2018, 10:47:55 PM
Why ya gotta poke Eeyore, J-Man?    :pok: :rofl:    I'd discovered the layer thing...   The more I think about the wiki the more I realize how much work it is and awlso that it kinda depends on point of view as far as including information and saying what other knives are "related" to others...

I do usually eventually find the answer I'm looking for on there, just might not be the first place I look.... and that's OK.  :D 

 :salute:
:lol:


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on February 14, 2018, 01:11:15 AM
In the description box at the top, the trecker is referred as the civilian version of the original OH GAK...
Under variations no.2, OH GAK is described as the civilian version of the original OH GAK... maybe contradictory is not the right word, but rather confusing... any physical differences between OH GAK and OH GAK?

On the layers page, i didn’t notice it was there... thanks for pointing...
Hmmm, the Original Vagabond is 4 layers, where as the SwissBianco Vagabond would be 3 layers... right?

Re: Trekker - Got it !! .... Better ?? (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Trekker)

Re: Vagabond - Just read the page - Yep it seems so - And the text mentions the different tool layout!!
..... Which, according to the Wiki layer definitions, suddenly makes it a three, not a four layer knife -  :think:    ... Confusing !

It would be more consistent if we counted springs !!
But then you might get people asking, 'How come the Rambler has three layers? - I can only see two'   ???

As El CS says it's often down to interpretation / opinion !! 
What do people think   ???   Layers or springs   ???   Or don't mind/care/think it is important.
It's only enthusiasts like us who think about this !
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on February 14, 2018, 04:44:24 AM
I go with the majority... am just accustomed to how we count layers for the other vic sizes...


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on February 14, 2018, 08:51:58 AM
Hmmmm OK

And how would that apply to the 58s - with their two - full, front and back layers of tools  ???
... And tools that have either one or two springs   ???
Just about all the others have a 1:1 relationship from spring to tool to layer :think:


Re Trekker - Is it .... better? (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Trekker)  now
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on February 14, 2018, 11:50:11 AM
such a good, long and time consuming work that you've done for us, and the world
I thank you for that!   :salute:

This!

Also, if you're taking the time to fix everything and come up with a better layout, I'd say whatever you do is fine.

 :salute: :tu:

Don't take suggestions from who knows more, just from who has done better.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Whoey on February 14, 2018, 04:58:05 PM
As part of a larger maintenance scope, I'll likely be upgrading the wikis soon to the new LTS release.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Whoey on February 14, 2018, 05:26:04 PM
and it's done... let the complaints roll in...  :facepalm: :crash:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on February 15, 2018, 02:13:41 AM
Hmmmm OK

And how would that apply to the 58s - with their two - full, front and back layers of tools  ???
... And tools that have either one or two springs   ???
Just about all the others have a 1:1 relationship from spring to tool to layer :think:


Re Trekker - Is it .... better? (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Trekker)  now
Forgot to mention... been really busy yesterday... Yes, its better now... Thanks...


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on March 07, 2018, 05:53:11 AM
@ Whoey - Thanks - It all seems to be OK  - At least so far :tu:

I think the page hit counter is still not working though !! Or is that a major version change / upgrade - Or maybe just no-one is visiting the Delémont pages :(   !!


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@  Everyone

I named the Delemont pages eg  "Delémont Evolution 17" -  Or such like  -  ie:  "Delémont xxx nnn"

I just noticed that, in a Google search, the Wiki pages do not come up near the top of the list  if you search for eg "Victorinox Evolution 17"  
They do if you search for  "Delémont Evolution 17"

Do you think we need to rename all  the pages to  "Victorinox Delémont xxx nnn"   - So that they come up in searches !!  ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: basilio on March 07, 2018, 10:08:58 AM
Hi there!
Could someone please implement on the wiki, under the Wenger "series" page, what I wrote years ago about the Patagonian Expedtion Race series?
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=57194.0
I came across that old topic recently, and I think it would be bad to have all that information lost, since I spent quite some time researching.
I would had done myself, but I stopped editing the wiki years ago, and I don't remember anything about it
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Whoey on March 07, 2018, 12:22:04 PM
Looking at the wiki, there's a number of modules that may have changed and need to be looked at. I'm not overly sure how the wiki is setup, I've only been upgrading the core software, not actually using it (I have plenty of other tasks to chase up). Also we've upgraded the software through many versions which might explain some of the breakage. As usual searching for help on Tikiwiki's site is increasing frustration over the confusion of using tikiwiki itself.

Any ways, the bottom line here is, I don't know enough about tikiwiki itself to actually help out with any encountered problems. I've got a full plate of other fish to fry at the moment, but obviously if there is something I can do that will fix it, I'm more than happy to do it.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on March 07, 2018, 12:34:18 PM
(...)

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@  Everyone

I named the Delemont pages eg  "Delémont Evolution 17" -  Or such like  -  ie:  "Delémont xxx nnn"

I just noticed that, in a Google search, the Wiki pages do not come up near the top of the list  if you search for eg "Victorinox Evolution 17"  
They do if you search for  "Delémont Evolution 17"

Do you think we need to rename all  the pages to  "Victorinox Delémont xxx nnn"   - So that they come up in searches !!  ???

I think the "Victorinox Delémont xxx nnn"   is a good idea. It reflects the fact that those knives, although not originally from Victorinox, are now being made by them. I've seen some sites and they separate both collections, too.

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: El Corkscrew on March 09, 2018, 10:52:16 PM
I should try a simple edit to get my feet wet...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on March 10, 2018, 04:32:18 AM
DO IT ! ! !

Yes I saw you were an editor    :)    :o   

Why don't you finish off the 85mm Delemonts - There's about 5 or 6 still to do - And a reasonably straightforward  job - But significant
Copy one of the other 85mm pages and edit away. The main 85mm series page is all there - Ready and waiting

I just took the pics from the Vic website - You need to upload them first
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on April 10, 2018, 08:19:47 AM
We had some very detailed discussion about what to do about the switch to 100% liner locking models for the 111mm range at the top of the previous page.

Well I had a go at updating the Forester and Rucksack models with those changes, - along the lines of my suggestions, of course:  :o   ;)
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Forester+Victorinox

Any comments? Does this work for you? Alles clar?
LeaFy - I know you put a lot of thought into this !   

Hey -That excel that you shared is great BTW  :tu:   
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on April 10, 2018, 10:01:14 AM

Any comments? Does this work for you? Alles clar?
LeaFy - I know you put a lot of thought into this !   
Hey -That excel that you shared is great BTW  :tu:


Hi! Looks great. I will check more detaily later and (hopefully) will return with some comments. :)


By the way, I did some minor updates here:
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=VSAKCS+-+Anniversary+Knife+Series

Please check if everything is ok (we still don't have picture for VSAKCS 2001 model  :ahhh )
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: El Corkscrew on April 10, 2018, 07:13:48 PM
We had some very detailed discussion about what to do about the switch to 100% liner locking models for the 111mm range at the top of the previous page.

Well I had a go at updating the Forester and Rucksack models with those changes, - along the lines of my suggestions, of course:  :o   ;)
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Forester+Victorinox

Any comments? Does this work for you? Alles clar?
LeaFy - I know you put a lot of thought into this !   

Hey -That excel that you shared is great BTW  :tu:

Ja wohl,   Alles klar!  :D :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on April 13, 2018, 11:25:55 PM
By the way, I did some minor updates here:
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=VSAKCS+-+Anniversary+Knife+Series
Please check if everything is ok (we still don't have picture for VSAKCS 2001 model  :ahhh )

Thanks - Good stuff - I reorganised the list/page a little - I think it looks better now - Is it OK?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on April 16, 2018, 02:59:11 AM
The page looks neater now Hunstman... I like it... Now if only we have a good pic for the 2001 edition... We’ve seen some on the web... Guess its unethical to borrow someone’s pic without permission...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on April 16, 2018, 05:47:20 AM
Thanks JM - Appreciate the feedback  :tu:
Re 2001 Image - Yes I think that is what LeaFy thought when he did the updates
- The SAAMS site we link to in the page has an image - But does not say who owns it - Although I almost consider SAAMS site to be part of us !

Ja wohl,   Alles klar!  :D :salute:
Entschuldigung, und vielen dank, mein Freund   :D :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on April 16, 2018, 08:53:29 AM
I think it looks better now - Is it OK?
No, it's just beautiful  :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on April 16, 2018, 09:30:47 AM
We got permission from VSAKCS to use  their 2011 pic... will pm you guys...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on April 27, 2018, 03:55:27 PM
Thanks for that JM - The missing  pic has been uploaded - So we are now 100%

In 2017 Vic completely revised their 111mm product line - Many, many models were retired, renamed, or converted
Well all the changes are now reflected in the Wiki and I think I can say that every single 111mm page has been updated in some way or other

Thanks to Leaf for letting us know about the changes and doing all the legwork around what had happened.
And for providing so many great pictures as always

Let us know of any feedback, comments, omissions, errors etc

Hey and can anyone tell us please when the 111mm family first came on the market? ???
I am thinking the 70s or 80s - We should really have that date in the Wiki
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on April 27, 2018, 04:21:23 PM
Thanks for that JM - The missing  pic has been uploaded - So we are now 100%

In 2017 Vic completely revised their 111mm product line - Many, many models were retired, renamed, or converted
Well all the changes are now reflected in the Wiki and I think I can say that every single 111mm page has been updated in some way or other

Thanks to Leaf for letting us know about the changes and doing all the legwork around what had happened.
And for providing so many great pictures as always

Let us know of any feedback, comments, omissions, errors etc

Hey and can anyone tell us please when the 111mm family first came on the market? ???
I am thinking the 70s or 80s - We should really have that date in the Wiki


Thank you, Ralph for your great enormous work!
You're a real giant! :)


I will update some 111-mm models' pages with new pictures (2017 liner-lock models) in the nearest time.
Regarding born-date of this family.. I suppose - early 80s (but I'm not sure for 100%)


Cheers,
Alex


UPDATE: https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,19779.0.html
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on May 10, 2018, 04:12:04 AM
Hi Knights,
I have a proposal for y'awl to consider.

When you go into the layer or main size pages of the WIki - ie you click on a hyperlink from the menu on the right handside (eg You click on the '130mm 5' button )
.....The next sceen that pops up is a blank grey screen - With the regular index down the right hand side, and the Layer Index (which repeats the right hand side index !  :-\ ) down the left hand side
What you then need to do is page down to get to the info you want
- For me this is not very user friendly and a bit of a pain   :pok:

I have a proposal to fix this   :cheers:
We could change the layer index from being presented vertically, as now,  to be presented horizontally
If we did this, you would get to the information you need on the first screen that is presented - And we don't loose the layer index - as it will still be there in a re-arranged format.

I have not changed a whole page - But I have constructed a sample of what the new layer index could look like at the bottom of this page:
http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+111mm+5+Layer+Models
Just page down to see it - I am proposoing that the 'Layer Index' section at the bottom replaces the one you see at the top - For all Wiki layer and size pages

In the proposed new index - The '5' looks a bit lonely and odd at the moment (it is copied from the 'vertical' list)
- I think going forward - We would leave the icon for the page you are on blank - or just use the full list with all hyperlinks every time - Thoughts ?

Whaddya awl think ....  ???  -  To me it's a no brainer  ;)  - But it will change the look of the Wiki
Please let me know your thoughts on whether we should do this  :think:

:salute: Huntsman

PS. LeaF - Thanks for your comments above -  :tu:   -     PM inbound about that other topic we are discussing
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: hiraethus on May 10, 2018, 09:08:48 AM
I like it. :tu:  Looks OK on a mobile screen too.  How does it look on the 91mm SAK page?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on May 10, 2018, 12:02:01 PM
I like it. :tu:  Looks OK on a mobile screen too.  How does it look on the 91mm SAK page?

My only hesitation was about the look on a mobile. If it's OK, I'd say Yup! Got more info in a smaller space. That's awlways good.

:hatsoff:

 :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on May 11, 2018, 04:07:36 AM
Looks good on my small 4” mobile phone screen... how would it look for those pages with more than 6 layers?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180511/860af31895d8e49f478b573995086acd.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on May 11, 2018, 04:40:58 AM

Thanks for the feedback guys - really good to know about the mobile - Good thinking !

Nice screen shot JM
We don't have any pages for 6,7,8  layers etc - There is just the + page, eg as you see in this example, when there are 6 and above layers - So it will all fit on the screen just like you show !

I will make the change fully for the 91mm: all, 1  and 3 layer pages  in the next 24hrs or so - To see how it looks - We can always revert if we don't like it or it does not work  !!
I will pop a quick note here when I have done it
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on May 11, 2018, 10:18:30 PM
I will make the change fully for the 91mm: all, 1  and 3 layer pages  in the next 24hrs or so - To see how it looks - We can always revert if we don't like it or it does not work  !! I will pop a quick note here when I have done it
DONE !!

Check it out..
http://www.sakwiki.com/Victorinox+91mm

One thing I found is that I use the links more in this new format - Which I guess is a good thing?    :tu:
Maybe they are easier to use, as well as being more compact?  ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Mechanickal on June 09, 2018, 10:48:01 AM
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=EVO+18

Another related knife is the Victorinox Artisan, which is nearly exact.
It's not linked in the related knives though.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on June 09, 2018, 12:23:55 PM
Another related knife is the Victorinox Artisan, which is nearly exact.
It's not linked in the related knives though.

Fair enough - It is now!

So is the Delémont Evolution 18   :o

Page also got a face lift    ;)    :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Mechanickal on June 09, 2018, 02:25:30 PM
Great!
Thanks!
:salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on July 03, 2018, 07:28:58 AM
So I decided that the 111mm liner and slide lock model comparison matrices needed updating for the 2017 changes.
Unfortunately for me (as Wiki/Tiki tables are a nightmare - especially if you change the column order which of course I did !!  :crash:) I also thought the main table needed restructuring to make it more usable  ... Basically - condensed (so you an see it all on one page) and in layer model order.

This is done now:
http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+111mm+Slide+Lock+Models
As always: feedback, comments, requests etc etc very welcome.

I can't show you the old version - But you can look at the Liner lock table to get some idea of what is was like:
http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+111mm+Liner+Lock+Models

When I recover I guess I'll get onto that one too  :cry: 

 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on July 03, 2018, 05:04:06 PM
Thanks, Ralph!


Few cents from me:
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Skipper
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Cadet
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Rucksack


Added some comparative pictures; updated information about Cadet's
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Whoey on July 03, 2018, 05:58:38 PM
 :2tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on July 03, 2018, 06:02:43 PM
Thanks, guys!

 :salute: :tu:
Title: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: koke on July 04, 2018, 09:51:37 AM
Hi there, I've found in swisschamp XLT shortcut to SAAMs site doesn't get you there.
In XAVT page is also wrong but in Swisschamp and XXLT is correct.

http://victorinox.saam007.com/swisschamp.php

This should be the proper URL
http://victorinox.metodi.me/swisschamp.php

Could anyone update it ?? :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on July 04, 2018, 10:04:35 AM
Could anyone update it ?? :tu:
Yes ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: koke on July 04, 2018, 10:09:56 AM
Could anyone update it ?? :tu:
Yes ;)

Perfect  :salute:  :like:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on July 10, 2018, 01:20:46 AM
Thanks for the feedback guys

The liner lock table is now done too !!   :tu:
http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+111mm+Liner+Lock+Models

Great pics as ever LeaFy.
I always love the comparison pics with several models/tools - ( aka -  multi ......... tool pics ???     :think:  or even multi multi-tool pics)

Hey  - Can anyone tell me if the 2010 DAK is still a current model please?   ??? 


Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on July 11, 2018, 10:25:19 AM
The DAK 2010 is essentially a Nomad... as of 2017, Nomad is gone and is now the Adventurer... Adventurer used to be a slider lock model...

Confusing, right? :lol:


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on July 11, 2018, 10:33:47 AM
DAK2010 is DuapPro X, not Nomad..  ;)


Previous version of DAK - 1993 was based on Centurion
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on July 14, 2018, 01:16:58 AM
OK  -
So the first version of the DAK was based on the Centurion
The second on the Dual Pro

The Centurion is now known as a Adventurer
The Nomad is now known as a Picnicker
And the DP does not appear in the latest catalogue - So I am assuming it is retired!

Confusing - Deffo - But I think we have all this in the Wiki

So question still is:  Is the Dual Pro version of the DAK still current? - I guess that means being supplied to the Dutch army?
I just need to know whether to also mark it as retired or not!!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on July 14, 2018, 10:06:46 AM
Hello All,

Please excuse me, I just wonder how to get permissions to edit SAKwiki? (I already have got an access, but read-only.)
Could somebody help me, please? Thank you in advance!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on July 14, 2018, 12:52:08 PM
Sending PM
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on July 14, 2018, 12:57:24 PM
Sending PM
Thank you very much, Sir Huntsman!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: koke on July 14, 2018, 02:59:09 PM
Hi all,

I found time ago in iBooks a pretty well done book based on Sakwiki  :o

Does anyone know If it's related to this site?  :think:
It would be great if this book were also updated ...  :climber:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180714/aa824a8589b896d45c7424dd6f272ca2.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180714/9bf1b9243a1aa84a929faf408bc18cca.jpg)



Thanks
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on July 15, 2018, 06:12:49 AM
DAK2010 is DuapPro X, not Nomad..  ;)


Previous version of DAK - 1993 was based on Centurion
I stand corrected... In my reply, somehow the 1993 DAK stuck in my mind :facepalm:


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on July 15, 2018, 06:17:28 AM
OK  -
So the first version of the DAK was based on the Centurion
The second on the Dual Pro

The Centurion is now known as a Adventurer
The Nomad is now known as a Picnicker
And the DP does not appear in the latest catalogue - So I am assuming it is retired!

Confusing - Deffo - But I think we have all this in the Wiki

So question still is:  Is the Dual Pro version of the DAK still current? - I guess that means being supplied to the Dutch army?
I just need to know whether to also mark it as retired or not!!
DAK 2010 is still being supplied. At least I haven’t seen any announcements on a new DAK model...

A small note, there is a slight difference between the DAK 2010 and the Dual Pro X... DAK 2010 has a combo edge on main blade while the Dual Pro X has a plain edged main blade...


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on July 15, 2018, 08:59:01 AM
A small note, there is a slight difference between the DAK 2010 and the Dual Pro X... DAK 2010 has a combo edge on main blade while the Dual Pro X has a plain edged main blade...

Looks like you have been checking the Wiki JM   :pok:   :D    ;)

EDIT: And thanks for the info on the DAK availability   :tu: - I have updated that !
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on July 15, 2018, 10:20:02 AM
Hahaha... who doesn’t?... btw, layer tools section of the Dual Pro X page is confusing...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180715/8a3de39d9d04ff92701250d254ca594e.png)

Wouldn’t it be better to state that “DAK 2010 has a partially serrated edge”?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on July 15, 2018, 10:35:13 AM
Not too sure either if the Dual Pro models were discontinued in 2017 as the 2016 US Catalogue didn’t have the models mentioned as well...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on July 15, 2018, 10:39:15 AM
Hi JM

Yes it was confusing
But please note this section at the top of the Dual Pro X page ......

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Page due to be retired - Information merged into Dual Pro page

http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Dual+Pro

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Where it says this - See pic below .....

Better?    ???

What date shall we put for retirement?    ???
Title: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on July 15, 2018, 11:14:46 AM
Yup... much better... I’ll leave it up to you to decide...

My presonal preference is to leave the page intact as Victorinox described the two Dual Pro models in their catalogue as distinct from each other... But that’s just me :cheers:


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on July 18, 2018, 02:15:51 PM
Forester, but with orange scales? (like Hunters??)
https://www.euro-knife.com/victorinox-knives-111/swiss-army-knife-victorinox-forester-0.8363.ek
It has unique ID - 0.8363.EK
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: macabee on July 24, 2018, 07:36:20 AM
Many thanks for all your hard work, much appreciated :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on August 04, 2018, 03:56:25 AM
Many thanks for all your hard work, much appreciated :salute:

Thanks macabee    :D   

I'd just like to give a shout out to one of our new editors Nick4 who has been doing some great work adding a lot of missing information, and fixing up some of the formatting in the Wiki

And also to LeaF who continues to enhance the Wiki with his great pics
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on August 14, 2018, 11:38:39 PM
Dear Knights,

I created some SAK Series-related pages in SAKWiki:
If someone with a native English knowledge could check them for mistakes, I would be very grateful.
And I am not sure about formatting too, so corrections and additions are also welcome.

Thank you in advance!  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on August 15, 2018, 03:56:15 PM
Dear Knights,

I created some SAK Series-related pages in SAKWiki...




Great work!  :woohoo:




Meanwhile, short question: how can I change name of existing page?
Suddenly I've discovered, that we have in our wiki wrong named model - SwissFlash. Victorinox never produced such model, only 'Victorinox Flash' was released as second generation of 58-mm knives with embedded flash-drive.
I've changed all (seems all) wrong names, but I have no idea how to rename existing page as well.
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on August 15, 2018, 04:25:25 PM
Great work! 
Thanks, LeaF!  :salute:

I've changed all (seems all) wrong names, but I have no idea how to rename existing page as well.
Maybe just create a new page with the correct name and redirect all existing links to it?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on August 16, 2018, 06:27:24 AM
Thanks for all the new pages Nick4 - Great stuff

I can rename the page LeaFy - Will do so - Just hope I can find all the links to update !
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on August 16, 2018, 07:19:49 AM
Oh - That is clever - It automatically updated all the links when I renamed the page  :tu:
(And I had written down the list of 12 pages to update!  :facepalm:)


Hey I see you did the Damascus series page too Nick - Thanks so much for that - It was on my to do list !!
I reconfigured the pictures you put there (which are great BTW!! :) ), and added an existing shot of the Pioneer - Hope that is OK?  ??? 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on August 16, 2018, 09:20:28 AM
I reconfigured the pictures you put there (which are great BTW!! :) ), and added an existing shot of the Pioneer - Hope that is OK?  ???
Sure, thank you very much!  :salute:  :cheers:

And you probably have seen Ranger 38-36 (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Ranger+38-36) page too. Hope it's OK?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on August 16, 2018, 09:28:26 AM
Oh - That is clever - It automatically updated all the links when I renamed the page  :tu:
(And I had written down the list of 12 pages to update!  :facepalm: )

 :like:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: dkop1 on August 24, 2018, 10:07:15 AM
Suggestion: while trying to look up a wenger I just acquired, I tried looking for similar models and it didn't quite pop up where I expected. The Classic 16 is not listed on the 85mm 3 layer page :) It might also help to list it on the "related to" section for the traveler, as it is a traveler with the corkscrew replaced by a phillips screwdriver. I had to go to the Highlander page and its relatedsection to figure out what I had  :pok:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on August 24, 2018, 11:04:24 AM
The Classic 16 is not listed on the 85mm 3 layer page :)
Fixed.

It might also help to list it on the "related to" section for the traveler, as it is a traveler with the corkscrew replaced by a phillips screwdriver.
Listed.  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: pfrsantos on August 29, 2018, 04:32:04 PM
Thank you!

 :salute: :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on August 29, 2018, 05:31:03 PM
What the smurf is this?
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=First+Mage+Hogwarts
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: hiraethus on August 29, 2018, 05:32:47 PM
Easter Egg?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on August 29, 2018, 05:35:27 PM
:shrug:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: hiraethus on August 29, 2018, 05:36:02 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_egg_(media)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on August 29, 2018, 05:38:15 PM
I know what an easter egg is :D
I just don't know if this is one.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on September 09, 2018, 07:25:53 AM
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=First+Mage+Hogwarts
No I heard this model was/is actually available from a small gear shop on a street in London somewhere near Kings Cross station
- From memory I think the street was called Diagon Alley
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: ghiekorg on September 09, 2018, 06:20:22 PM
Hi everyone
I just saw online a climber model 1.3703.T88, 2016 Golden limited edition for the Olympic Games. It seems to not be listed in the climber wiki page.
Cheers  😊
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on September 18, 2018, 09:48:24 AM
I just saw online a climber model 1.3703.T88, 2016 Golden limited edition for the Olympic Games. It seems to not be listed in the climber wiki page.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on October 10, 2018, 12:45:04 AM
Hi Folks

I have added this to the first post in this thread
Editors - Over to you !!   ;)   :tu:
SAK Knights / Members - Please feel free to reply to this thread and we will update appropriately


********************************************************* Do List: *********************************************************
This is a do list for the Wiki editors - Which we will try and maintain with requests and additions (from the end of the thread) - and deletions when completed
Note: This is more for major pieces of work - Hopefully minor updates/corrections will be done on the fly as now
Editors - Please feel free to complete any of the below
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: MiniChamp on November 05, 2018, 01:44:10 PM
Thanks a lot for all the great work on the Wiki!  :like:  :salute:

I'm having the following problem: I cannot access any of the links to PDF catalogs on SAKWiki. If I click any of them, I get the message
"Error Permission denied"
These links all have the form:
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=n
where n is a number. The two numbers 1 and 19 correspond to Victorinox catalogs and the 14 numbers in the range 4-17 correspond to Wenger catalogs. I'm consistently getting the "Permission denied" response to all of them. Can this be fixed?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 05, 2018, 09:46:45 PM
Are you still logged in? Session expires after 2 hours.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: MiniChamp on November 05, 2018, 10:14:27 PM
Are you still logged in? Session expires after 2 hours.
Logged in to what? Do I need to log into something to access such stuff on SAKWiki?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 05, 2018, 10:30:56 PM
Are you still logged in? Session expires after 2 hours.
Logged in to what? Do I need to log into something to access such stuff on SAKWiki?

I'm not sure, I can't check the permissions right now, but maybe another admin can. I think file galleries and file downloads are disabled for anonymous users. I don't know if that is correct.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: MiniChamp on November 05, 2018, 11:08:05 PM
Are you still logged in? Session expires after 2 hours.
Logged in to what? Do I need to log into something to access such stuff on SAKWiki?

I'm not sure, I can't check the permissions right now, but maybe another admin can. I think file galleries and file downloads are disabled for anonymous users. I don't know if that is correct.
Thanks. I thought that SAKWiki was supposed to be world-readable. If some content is intentionally restricted (why?), I think that it would be a good idea to clarify it. Right now it looks to me like it's broken.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 06, 2018, 01:56:14 AM
Thanks a lot for all the great work on the Wiki! 
I'm having the following problem: I cannot access any of the links to PDF catalogs on SAKWiki. If I click any of them, I get the message
"Error Permission denied"
These links all have the form:
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=n
where n is a number. The two numbers 1 and 19 correspond to Victorinox catalogs and the 14 numbers in the range 4-17 correspond to Wenger catalogs. I'm consistently getting the "Permission denied" response to all of them. Can this be fixed?

Hi MC,
Thanks for the thanks - We have a good team!! :tu:

I assume that the page you are on is the Victorinox and Wenger Catalogs pages from the main menu - And you are clicking on some of the links in those pages
- Was not too clear from the above....

I just did a test for you - Yes it appears you have to be logged on with your userid to access the PDF as opposed to image catalogues

Thanks. I thought that SAKWiki was supposed to be world-readable. If some content is intentionally restricted (why?), I think that it would be a good idea to clarify it. Right now it looks to me like it's broken.

SAKWiki - Is world-wide readable - And anyone can apply for a user ID - one is usually issued pretty much straight away.

Also not broken - Although I am not sure why you need to be logged on to see the PDFs
- I assume this is some technical Tiki (the Wiki software) reason - Whoey (our tech support guy) may be able to advise 
I do know there are different rules around uploading  pdfs compared to jpegs
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: MiniChamp on November 06, 2018, 04:22:41 AM
Thanks a lot for the information, Huntsman!  :hatsoff:

anyone can apply for a user ID
Out of the 33,000 page views per day that you recently reported, how many come from logged in users? To become a registered SAKWiki user looks to me like a very big deal. One cannot just register, but needs to send a written application in order to hopefully be able to open an account at some unknown point in the future. I can fully understand why such a procedure may be beneficial for giving people some sort of writing access, but I don't see how it benefits anyone to require all this in order for someone to be able to view a PDF catalog.

Quote
Also not broken
Maybe "broken" is not the best word, but I think that the current behavior of the system is certainly very confusing. If some content is only available to logged in users, the relevant error message should say so. An example of a well behaved system, in this respect, is the MTo forum. If one clicks a link that is restricted to logged in users, one gets the message "Only registered members are allowed to access this section. Please login below or register an account with Multitool.org" (along with the relevant login form).

Anyway, I hope that there is a small configuration option that can enable public access to those PDF catalogs. If so, I think that applying it will improve the Wiki.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 06, 2018, 07:51:59 AM
The config option is there, I just checked. I'll leave it to Whoey to decide what to do.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 06, 2018, 11:29:12 AM
I noticed the Victorinox FASS 90 is not yet on the Wiki. Should it be added, and if yes, how? The older Wenger version is mentioned on the Tool List page, with a link to this image (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=1087). Both models do not have their own pages yet.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 06, 2018, 01:19:37 PM
Yes I had noticed that too !!

PM sent
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on November 07, 2018, 03:23:15 AM
maybe a perms thing that changed in an update... floodgate open
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: MiniChamp on November 07, 2018, 04:00:43 AM
maybe a perms thing that changed in an update... floodgate open
Great! :woohoo: Now everything works as expected (by me, at least). Thanks a lot!  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 08, 2018, 08:52:00 PM
Victorinox FASS 90 and Wenger STGW 90 have been added. Not a lot of info yet. Also, does anybody know their official names?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 08, 2018, 09:46:47 PM
  • Create a page for the new Skipper Pro – And update links / reference pages

Done. I just used a stock image from the Vic website. Links and reference pages were already OK; they were all pointing to your placeholder page.
I also added one small sentence to the marlin spike page and fixed a tiny error in the Tool List Tool to Model Table.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on November 10, 2018, 10:28:08 PM
Added mini screwdriver variations : http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Screwdriver-Mini

I didn't play much with formatting and ... have no idea of the precise periods for each variation (apart from what is written here, but I don't want to paste data I am not 100% sure of... : http://victorinox.metodi.me/91mmtools.php#miniscrewdriver)

(http://www.sakwiki.com/show_image.php?id=3889)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on November 11, 2018, 04:10:00 PM
Victorinox FASS 90 and Wenger STGW 90 have been added. Not a lot of info yet. Also, does anybody know their official names?
Thanks a lot!

AFAIK, FASS (Fr.) == STGW  (Ge.); it’s an acronym for the “Assault rifle”. So, the name reflect the language used in the region of Switzerland there this SAK was on sale.

And the SAK listed in the SAKWiki as "Victorinox FASS 90" is also known as “Victorinox Korrekturmesser für Stgw 90” (listed at armeeshop.ch (https://www.armeeshop.ch/messer-werkzeuge/124-victorinox-korrekturmesser-fuer-stgw-90.html) with the reference number  03.610 and at gunworld.ch (http://www.gunworld.ch/gun-multi-tools.html) with the reference number G16.7102).

There is a very interesting thread at MTO (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=60020.0;nowap) about this SAK.

Also there is a related movie on YouTube: 
Victorinox Korrekturmesser für Stgw 90 (SIG 550) (https://youtu.be/-dh6TiW4Mx0)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Rapidray on November 11, 2018, 04:20:51 PM
Victorinox FASS 90 and Wenger STGW 90 have been added. Not a lot of info yet. Also, does anybody know their official names?
Thanks a lot!

AFAIK, FASS (Fr.) == STGW  (Ge.); it’s an acronym for the “Assault rifle”. So, the name reflect the language used in the region of Switzerland there this SAK was on sale.

And the SAK listed in the SAKWiki as "Victorinox FASS 90" is also known as “Victorinox Korrekturmesser für Stgw 90” (listed at armeeshop.ch (https://www.armeeshop.ch/messer-werkzeuge/124-victorinox-korrekturmesser-fuer-stgw-90.html) with the reference number  03.610 and at gunworld.ch (http://www.gunworld.ch/gun-multi-tools.html) with the reference number G16.7102).

There is a very interesting thread at MTO (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=60020.0;nowap) about this SAK.

Also there is a related movie on YouTube: 
Victorinox Korrekturmesser für Stgw 90 (SIG 550) (https://youtu.be/-dh6TiW4Mx0)
Great video
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 11, 2018, 04:37:57 PM
Thanks for the info Nick4!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on November 11, 2018, 04:51:03 PM
Great video

Thanks for the info Nick4!

My pleasure.  :hatsoff:

(I am sorry, till the end of December I probably will have no time to work on the SAKWiki. :( )
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Serena on November 28, 2018, 11:41:55 PM
Added mini screwdriver variations : http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Screwdriver-Mini

I didn't play much with formatting and ... have no idea of the precise periods for each variation (apart from what is written here, but I don't want to paste data I am not 100% sure of... : http://victorinox.metodi.me/91mmtools.php#miniscrewdriver)

(http://www.sakwiki.com/show_image.php?id=3889)
There's a white one now which came with the Christmas 2018 Edition.
Asked Victorinox Nederland where to get one. Hope te receive an answer tomorrow.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 29, 2018, 04:26:04 AM
Hi Serena

This information was on this page in the Wiki (Reinier put it there over the weekend)

However I have reformatted the page (with headings etc)  to make it all a bit clearer
Title: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Serena on November 29, 2018, 05:14:33 AM
Hi Serena

This information was on this page in the Wiki (Reinier put it there over the weekend)

However I have reformatted the page (with headings etc)  to make it all a bit clearer
Perfect!!!
Sorry I missed it was already in there. My bad…
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on November 29, 2018, 05:51:01 AM
There's a white one now which came with the Christmas 2018 Edition.
Asked Victorinox Nederland where to get one. Hope te receive an answer tomorrow.

If I can get one, I will add a picture of it along with the others

Hi Serena

This information was on this page in the Wiki (Reinier put it there over the weekend)

However I have reformatted the page (with headings etc)  to make it all a bit clearer

Thank you both!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on November 29, 2018, 06:20:55 AM
Feel free to use (if needed) (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181129/c6a7e593c1a1c3222638ca22a03af34a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181129/d9e83b0a88b0847312e07017660d6649.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 29, 2018, 08:46:05 AM
Great pics Alex, much better than the stock one I uploaded.
I also added one tiny bit on that new style nail file. It is new, right?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Serena on November 29, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
And there's your white mini screwdriver!!! Maybe a close-up?
Feel free to use (if needed) (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181129/c6a7e593c1a1c3222638ca22a03af34a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181129/d9e83b0a88b0847312e07017660d6649.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on November 29, 2018, 02:02:57 PM
Feel free to use (if needed)

can you please make a picture of that white baby along with the standard (recent) grey one please?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on November 29, 2018, 02:09:18 PM
I also added one tiny bit on that new style nail file. It is new, right?
Yep..
And there's your white mini screwdriver!!! Maybe a close-up?
can you please make a picture of that white baby along with the standard (recent) grey one please?

Sure, but not today, sorry :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on November 29, 2018, 02:20:36 PM
I also added one tiny bit on that new style nail file. It is new, right?
Yep..
And there's your white mini screwdriver!!! Maybe a close-up?
can you please make a picture of that white baby along with the standard (recent) grey one please?

Sure, but not today, sorry :)


no hurry  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Serena on November 30, 2018, 10:17:56 AM
Found a little typo.
Do we post this normally? If not, then sorry…

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181130/f42d9d8a2af029d20486b4ddd1513325.jpg)

'it would Be'
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 30, 2018, 10:24:34 AM
You should look better :whistle:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Serena on November 30, 2018, 10:30:52 AM
Wow, the B magically returned!!!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on November 30, 2018, 11:03:34 PM
 :rofl:
You should look better :whistle:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 09, 2018, 04:18:41 PM
Moved from another thread
Sort of off topic but it is 91mm and SAKWiki related  - Is it possible to get separate pages for the Cybertools?
It’s slightly odd when things like the SwissChamp page references the 41/L but the link goes to the page for all Cybertools. 
Sorry I know this would create a bit of work clearing up the related links.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 09, 2018, 04:26:30 PM
We have had some debate on this ^^^ in the past

For me - The pages where there are multiple models to a page are great !   :D   
As you get to compare and contrast different models all on one page - Saving visits to multiple pages    :)
And if a link takes you to such a page (eg in your example above Simyo) - You get to see the all info you want/expect  - And a bit more  :tu: 

What do you all think?  ???   :think:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on December 09, 2018, 04:35:13 PM
We have had some debate on this ^^^ in the past

For me - The pages where there are multiple models to a page are great !   :D   :tu:   
As you get to compare and contrast different models all on one page - Saving visits to multiple pages    :)
And if a link takes you to such a page (eg in your example above Simyo) - You get to see the all info you want/expect  - And more

What do you all think?  ???   :think:
You know my opinion
It was discussed many times, but anyway, I prefer to have dedicated pages for every model.

So Cybertool should have 4 different pages.
Huntsman and Huntsman Lite, Fisherman and Fisherman Plus - are different knives and each of them should be presented on own page.

What do you think, folks?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 09, 2018, 05:00:20 PM
To me, it depends on how much those different models differ from each other. Personally, I think e.g. Director and Executive are basically the same model since only the scales (and scale tools) differ.
Pocket Pal, Secretary, same thing.

Cybertools are all different (and I think Swisschamp XLT/XXLT/XAVT are also Cybertool-esque) and deserve their own pages. Maybe we could add "Product group pages" or "Family pages" where all versions of said family are discussed briefly (focusing on the differences in tool configs) with links to the current model pages.

This depends on your definition of "minor difference". Keyring yes or no, scale material, presence or absence of T&T, regular or plus scales?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on December 09, 2018, 05:48:43 PM
This depends on your definition of "minor difference". Keyring yes or no, scale material, presence or absence of T&T, regular or plus scales?
Amount of layers, different tools - they cannot be characterized as 'minor difference' or they do?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 09, 2018, 05:58:24 PM
This depends on your definition of "minor difference". Keyring yes or no, scale material, presence or absence of T&T, regular or plus scales?
Amount of layers, different tools - they cannot be characterized as 'minor difference' or they do?

No, not in my opinion. But Climber versus Original Traveller... Same model as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 09, 2018, 06:40:21 PM
This depends on your definition of "minor difference". Keyring yes or no, scale material, presence or absence of T&T, regular or plus scales?
Amount of layers, different tools - they cannot be characterized as 'minor difference' or they do?

No, not in my opinion. But Climber versus Original Traveller... Same model as far as I'm concerned.

Bad example because one is a retired model...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on December 19, 2018, 10:48:03 AM
Hi mates,


Few weeks before I've promised to upload a comparative photo of Victorinox mini screwdrivers (old gray vs. new white from "White Christmas 2018 Sportsman" model).
As usual, it took more time, than I planned initially.
So, I've decided to make a new 'group photo' of all variations that we have, as SAKWiki said - 4 different types (and new white of course). Can you imagine, how I was surprised, when I discovered that actually we had not 4 but 5 different types of mini screwdrivers before, and white one is a sixth variation?


Thus, short description what we have for now:


I'd like to say 'Thanks' for all who asked me to make these pictures, - as result we have one more record in SAK's tools evolution!  :cheers:



Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 19, 2018, 11:18:11 AM
That's very nice Alex! :tu:
And thank you for adding it to the wiki. I think the part about the white screwdriver can be removed now. Agreed?

I wish they would make more color variations  :dd:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on December 19, 2018, 11:20:33 AM
I think the part about the white screwdriver can be removed now. Agreed?
Sure. I can do it later or if you prefer to do it..  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 19, 2018, 11:22:32 AM
Go ahead sir :hatsoff:

But it may be good to keep a reference to the Sportsman White Xmas so that we know the history of the white version :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 19, 2018, 01:15:43 PM
I would recommend leaving the reference to the white mini SD and Sportsman as is

As it is a true variation developed for a specific model.

The others are evolutionary (historical) changes to the SD
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: ddogu on December 19, 2018, 01:20:36 PM
Feel free to use (if needed) (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181129/c6a7e593c1a1c3222638ca22a03af34a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181129/d9e83b0a88b0847312e07017660d6649.jpg)

wow this is a lovely SAK!
 :nothingtoadd: :b2t:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 19, 2018, 01:50:59 PM
PS. Thanks LeaFy for the updates .... And discovery !!  Great stuff
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Antti Lammi on December 19, 2018, 05:00:58 PM
How to edit sakwiki, or who can edit it. I have one small detail what is missing

Only Tools Matters

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 19, 2018, 05:53:16 PM
If it's just one small detail you can just post it here or send one of the editors/admins a PM (Huntsman, LeaF, Grant, me, several others).
You can also create an account if you think you would like to contribute more to the wiki :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Antti Lammi on December 19, 2018, 06:03:19 PM
I post it here.

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Fly+Fisherman (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Fly+Fisherman)

 In this page has mentioned that Fly Fisherman doesnt have scale tools but it actually has Tweezer on scale but not Toothpick, you can also see tweezers on that black scale Fly Fisherman but there isnt mention that these contains any scale tools(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181219/e0aa47caff03594edddd3ff82b6f84df.jpg)

Only Tools Matters

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 19, 2018, 06:14:22 PM
:tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 21, 2018, 12:56:01 AM
Thanks for the info Antti  - Page updated
It seems that scale tools were not always present - eg see spec main image on page - so I commented thus
I also juggled the page around a little

Let me know if it is OK 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on December 21, 2018, 10:43:35 AM
It's been a few days since the sakwiki moved over to the new server, I take it everything is working ok?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 21, 2018, 12:16:02 PM
Aha - Timely question sir!

I just spotted some recentish updates I made to the 111mm pages appear to be lost - Is that possible?
We can discuss more details here or in PM if neccy

Thanks for all the move work!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on December 21, 2018, 01:18:55 PM
oops I thought I used a current backup of the database... is it possible it got edited during the move? Hopefully you can redo the edit, sorry.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 21, 2018, 01:20:00 PM
Some tiny edits I made a couple of days ago are gone too. Totally no big deal but I thought I'd mention it.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on December 21, 2018, 01:23:34 PM
sorry... I was fighting to get it to work properly, it's possible I accidentally used an older copy of the database that was from the previous attempt.

I'm terrified of the forum, that's going to be a draining move... database is HUGE.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 21, 2018, 01:25:34 PM
No worries :salute:

Are you putting the forum in read only mode for a while?
Good luck with the move :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on December 21, 2018, 01:31:33 PM
when it happens, offline/maintenance. I'm doing my best to prepare, but it's a lot of data to copy from one site to the other...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 21, 2018, 02:15:22 PM
oops I thought I used a current backup of the database... is it possible it got edited during the move? Hopefully you can redo the edit, sorry.

OK WIll re-do the ones I remember  ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on December 21, 2018, 08:03:05 PM
thanks, I can probably check the old site database, but I've still got some more pressing work to do first.

Gallery is migrated, and doesn't work properly  :-\
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Antti Lammi on December 21, 2018, 10:28:51 PM
Thanks for the info Antti  - Page updated
It seems that scale tools were not always present - eg see spec main image on page - so I commented thus
I also juggled the page around a little

Let me know if it is OK
Good to see that you putted info there, i didnt also notices first but played little with my newly aquored Fly Fisherman an i noticed that there were tweezer but no toothpick. Not actually sure does all versions have tweezers

Only Tools Matters

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on December 23, 2018, 05:36:30 PM
wiki now has SSL cert (https) so your browsers can stop complaining about insecure site...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 23, 2018, 10:09:48 PM
Thanks Whoey  - I think we lost a few updates - I have redone mine - No problem - I think I got them all!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 27, 2018, 03:04:59 PM
Sort of off topic but it is 91mm and SAKWiki related  - Is it possible to get separate pages for the Cybertools?
It’s slightly odd when things like the SwissChamp page references the 41/L but the link goes to the page for all Cybertools. 
Sorry I know this would create a bit of work clearing up the related links.
I did not split the pages
Been trying to work that last one out for a year!! - The Tiki software cannot cope with these links if they contain a number   :twak:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 20, 2019, 11:23:02 PM
Been doing a little tidying up of the SMKW knife series pages
I have a question for y'all

The four models: Bass, Deer, Eagle, Turkey - Appear in the main 91mm model listing  page
https://sakwiki.com/Victorinox+91mm

As they are not regular models - I think they should not be there!!

So I am proposing to remove them - But to put in a link to the series page
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+SMKW+Wildlife+Series
on the main 91mm page.

They also appear in the appropriate 2,3,4 layer pages - I propose to leave them there

Thoughts? ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on January 21, 2019, 06:07:19 AM
Leave them as they are.
40% of alox models in SAKWiki also isn't regular models, Master Gardener and Master Electrician also are special runs. Should they be removed too?

Huntsman, you are doing a huge work in SAKWiki, no doubt, but please, don't make such extreme deleting
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on January 21, 2019, 07:20:32 AM
He's not deleting the pages :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 21, 2019, 09:37:45 PM
Huntsman, you are doing a huge work in SAKWiki, no doubt, but please, don't make such extreme deleting
Yep I am often beavering away trying to make the Wiki:
But don't worry - no information ever, ever, ever gets deleted   :salute:
Just sometimes re-organised a little !  :)

And in this case if I had done what I proposed:
The only change would be that a link to the family page would replace the link to the individual pages in the main 91mm page
So IMHO not a very extreme change !!    :think:

My thoughts/logic for these models was that they made for a single dealer in a single country
- And that the main 91mm page should just feature standard, globally available, Vic models
So yes I was thinking the Master Elec and G should also be presented in the Wiki in the same way !

However I did not know that nearly half the 93mm models were also specials
And for sure we do have some Swiss Bianco specials in the various pages
So I am happy to leave it all as is!

PS. I am going to send you both a PM about some other changes a while ago !
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on January 22, 2019, 08:12:30 AM
Huntsman, you are doing a huge work in SAKWiki, no doubt, but please, don't make such extreme deleting
But don't worry - no information ever, ever, ever gets deleted   :salute:



You can do anything you want.
I feel myself little bit tired from these endless discussions.
The main issue (IMO) - you doesn't take into consideration any opinion except your own.

I'm not going anymore reply in this thread either make any changes in SAKWiki.
Sorry for this, but it became senseless.
Good luck
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 09, 2019, 11:11:29 PM
Hey folks,

Sometimes pictures in the Wiki pages get screwed up - eg Disappear completely, or go tiny
This seems to happen for a few reasons: Eg
Software changes, the way the page is formatted, or links to other websites which become broken.
This recently, (or maybe even a while ago :o ),  happened to the Pen and Battle Series pages.

If anyone finds broken pictures - Please let us know here so we can fix them.
This is probably a better route to fix than the 'Contact Us' link in the Wiki. Although that should work too, eventually. 
The Pen page is fixed, the Battle Series pages fixes are in progress!
The Blades page also needs to be fixed and I hope to get onto that sometime soon.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on February 28, 2019, 03:25:05 PM
Maybe this pic can be interesting for the wiki?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190228/1d6866849d91719602a9019f7bb9abe1.jpg)

Swisstool X, Mercedes edition incl unique leather pouch with Mercedes logo.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on February 28, 2019, 03:30:47 PM
That's a cool one. I used to own a BMW version with special pouch and also a black bit holder :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on February 28, 2019, 04:29:18 PM
:drool:

I knew BMW had a set, never knew about Mercedes...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 02, 2019, 05:09:11 AM
Maybe this pic can be interesting for the wiki?
Swisstool X, Mercedes edition incl unique leather pouch with Mercedes logo.

Thanks for this M - Very interesting ....

It's not a great photo - But it's in

- Better to have the variation and image in the Wiki  than not at all !!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on March 02, 2019, 07:55:55 AM


It's not a great photo

I know :D

I tried some different angles and shots, but the showroom lights were causing a glare on the glass and by then the receptionist started raising an eyebrow. :rofl:

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on March 02, 2019, 08:02:50 AM
Oh and we don't "believe" there is a BMW branded one, we know :D

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=36099.0
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 02, 2019, 09:17:09 AM
^^^ Thank you - Corrected !!

Re the photo - Apologies I did not mean to be rude and I guessed that was the reason ie Showroom shot - maybe with glass in the way etc etc

Funny re the receptionist ...... and the crazy things we do to get MT shots
- Once I tried to take a photo of a cop with a LM on his belt - He was not too keen !!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on March 02, 2019, 02:02:47 PM
^^^ Thank you - Corrected !!

Re the photo - Apologies I did not mean to be rude and I guessed that was the reason ie Showroom shot - maybe with glass in the way etc etc

Funny re the receptionist ...... and the crazy things we do to get MT shots
- Once I tried to take a photo of a cop with a LM on his belt - He was not too keen !!
No apologies needed H.!
No offense was taken at all. I just had the same thought about it, which is why I agreed in the first place :rofl:

We're all good :cheers:

I wonder how common the Merc version is and if it's worth trying to presuade the boss into giving me a discount :D
I visit the store a few times a year since it's a client of the company I work for.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: CeHo on April 04, 2019, 08:45:17 AM
I try to get more informations about the Wenger Evolution 565 - actually it’s not in the SAKWiki - maybe we get a new article for this model...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on April 06, 2019, 06:31:42 PM
Dear Knights,

I have created  a Victorinox Christmas Series (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Christmas+Series) page in the SAKWiki.

If somebody with a native English knowledge could check it for mistakes, I would be very grateful.
Any corrections and additions are welcome too.

Thank you in advance!  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: CeHo on April 06, 2019, 06:35:29 PM
Dear Knights,

I have created  a Victorinox Christmas Series (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Christmas+Series) page in the SAKWiki.

If somebody with a native English knowledge could check it for mistakes, I would be very grateful.
Any corrections and additions are welcome too.

Thank you in advance!  :salute:

@ all SAKWIKI-editors: many thanks for your work :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on April 06, 2019, 07:33:30 PM
Very nice page! Just 2 suggestions on the landing page. I had a quick look at the links and they look OK. In English, the inverted commas are kept at the top, e.g. “the quick fox”.

“...Since 2015 Victorinox every year produces a special edition of knives for the Christmas.

Where There are two sub-series...”
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on April 06, 2019, 08:30:47 PM
Max Stone, thank you very much!  :hatsoff:

“...Since 2015 Victorinox every year produces a special edition of knives for the Christmas.

Where There are two sub-series...”
Shame on me!  :(

Fixed (I hope :) ).
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on April 06, 2019, 09:05:50 PM
Fixed  :hatsoff: :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on April 08, 2019, 08:01:18 AM
Dear Knights,
I have created  a Victorinox Christmas Series (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Christmas+Series) page in the SAKWiki.
If somebody with a native English knowledge could check it for mistakes, I would be very grateful.
Any corrections and additions are welcome too.
Thank you in advance!

Woo Hoo   :woohoo:   :hatsoff:   
I don't think I had put this page in the to do list in this thread - But it was definitely in my mental to do list
I was originally thinking two pages - But if they are both always Christmas editions it makes sense to merge them - And the top photo of the coloured scales with the white is just great   :cheers:
So I am very happy that you have created this page Nick4  ..... Thank you   :tu:

As Nick4 will tell y'all - He does all this great work - Then I come along and fiddle with it - And Nick is always so gracious towards my fiddling - Thank you again Nick   :D    :salute:

Anyway I've done it again on the Christmas knives - I thought we should take out the multiple repetitions of the word special edition in the model list and pic description  and also the year of issue
I also thought that we should make the hyper link title just reference the model page - as that is where the link goes - ie to prevent users clicking the link and getting to a page they just visited. 

EDIT PS: I was tempted to change 'All models (but 1.3704.3E1) are sold in special packaging' to say 'All models (bar 1.3704.3E1) are sold in special packaging'.
Private joke between Nick and I  !!   ;)

Let me know if the changes are OK or not
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on April 08, 2019, 08:35:11 AM
Looks good chaps :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on April 08, 2019, 09:53:54 AM
Let me know if the changes are OK or not
:tu: Thank you very much, Sir Huntsman!  :hatsoff:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on April 08, 2019, 12:17:13 PM
Had another idea for this page - I think you are going to like it   :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on April 08, 2019, 12:28:34 PM
No pics yet of the MTO PX on the Pioneer X page? :pok: :twak:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on April 08, 2019, 02:23:58 PM
Had another idea for this page - I think you are going to like it   :D
I am sure.   :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on April 08, 2019, 05:12:15 PM
No pics yet of the MTO PX on the Pioneer X page? :pok: :twak:
Don't know what you are talking about !!  :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on April 08, 2019, 05:26:31 PM
Saweet :facepalm:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on April 08, 2019, 07:00:50 PM
Seeing a few SAKWiki admins here,  :whistle:

I thought I’d chime in with a suggested edit for the Pioneer page, as some models are missing from the list. These are the South African-specific models that were a limited edition production run:

Pioneer Red Alox (0.8201.20R4)
Pioneer Blue Alox (0.8201.22R4)
Pioneer Black Alox (0.8201.23R4)
Pioneer Green Alox (0.8201.24R4)
Pioneer Orange Alox (0.8201.79R4)

Pics below. Tried to get the colors accurate. Pretty close, just the red a little too saturated.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: CeHo on April 08, 2019, 08:04:57 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on April 09, 2019, 09:30:49 AM
I thought I’d chime in with a suggested edit for the Pioneer page, as some models are missing from the list. These are the South African-specific models that were a limited edition production run:
Many thanks! Identifiers have been added.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on April 09, 2019, 03:24:42 PM
 :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: smiller43147 on May 22, 2019, 05:41:45 PM
I was checking out my favorite tool, the Pocket Toolchest on the wiki, and I followed the link to the Reamer page.  No 65mm Reamer/awl on that page.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on May 26, 2019, 06:38:44 AM
Seeing a few SAKWiki admins here,  :whistle:
I thought I’d chime in with a suggested edit for the Pioneer page, as some models are missing from the list. These are the South African-specific models that were a limited edition production run:
..........
Pics below. Tried to get the colors accurate. Pretty close, just the red a little too saturated.

Hey Max - Thanks for this - Are these models the same as variation 7 in the Pioneer page or are they a different set/run

https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pioneer#Variations

If different we should also add them as a different variation - If not we can add the pic to that line item

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on May 26, 2019, 10:56:03 AM
Hello Huntsman - yes, exactly that run so that picture applies perfectly.  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on May 27, 2019, 06:45:50 PM
Huntman , perhaps you can add some info to the HELMSMAN page https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Helmsman
The MARINER is mentioned in that page but there is no further info.
Attached a MARINER picture. This SAK has a full serrated blade and not partially like the HELMSMAN .
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on May 28, 2019, 01:51:38 AM
@ Max - Added the family pic to the Pioneer SA variation

@ Ivo - Thanks for the info - I added the pic and a new variation - Now No. 4
Not too happy with this page (or at least the variations section)  - It's a bit confusing with the name change (over time?) and possibly different names in different markets
For instance - Is variation 2 the same as variation 5 ? ??? ....... It looks like it - And was Helmsman CS an official name (I added the comments in brackets today)
- I know previous editors sometimes made up names in some instances !!   :o

If anyone can think of better wording please let me know - or make the change if you are an editor!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on May 28, 2019, 09:28:26 AM
Thanks Huntsman , I'll try to find more info about this SAK models  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: smiller43147 on May 28, 2019, 08:52:26 PM
I was checking out my favorite tool, the Pocket Toolchest on the wiki, and I followed the link to the Reamer page.  No 65mm Reamer/awl on that page.
Huntsman, could you add the 65mm awl/reamer to the Reamer page on SAKWiki?
https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Reamer (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Reamer)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on May 29, 2019, 02:17:10 AM
Hi Smiler
- Thanks for the heads up on this omission - and the great piccie (that matches the others - cudos)
Will update soon - The whole page needs a bit of work as the piccies have gone tiny - This can be fixed but it's a  bigger job

Re the Helmsman/Mariner - LeaF has chipped in with some useful info - I also checked the Wiki gallery - And this is where we are:
Please review and if we all agree I'll update accordingly ....

The Mariner was the first version and it had a fully serrated blade and regular red scales
The Mariner was also available in a corkscrew version
The Helmsman was the later incarnation and introduced the blue scales
The Helmsman was available with fully or partially serrated blades..... (as was the Skipper)
The fully serrated version was unofficially known as a Helmsman CS

Possibly either name was used in different markets?  Any thoughts?  ???  Or was it purely a time and scale thing - as described above?

I am not sure where the CS name came from (maybe a Wiki editor? ???) and why CS? - As CS normally means corkscrew
- Maybe - Completely Serrated - This is a bit confusing  :pok:
If we think this is an unofficial/made up name - I would rather change it to FS - Fully serrated - Which is what the Wiki uses elsewhere.

Any comments or more enlightenments folks ?  ???

Thanks all
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: smiller43147 on May 29, 2019, 03:52:55 AM
Hi Smiler
- Thanks for the heads up on this omission - and the great piccie (that matches the others - cudos)
Thanks, I tried to match the two existing photos.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on May 29, 2019, 01:38:23 PM
Just a question to soldier knives experts... Any reason why there is no model 1908 listed?

Soldier 1890 page mentions that same model with some variations continued on until 1951...

Whilst, LCSAS has a separate listing for 1908... the page even has a blue print for model 1908...

http://www.couteaux-du-soldat-suisse.ch/J01/index.php/en/les-couteaux-du-soldat

http://www.couteaux-du-soldat-suisse.ch/J01/images/photos_site/modeles/1908/1908.pdf

I can understand model 1901 isn’t there as some experts considered this to be the same as model 1890 except for the scales...


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Title: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on May 29, 2019, 01:44:44 PM
Hey Huntsman, wanna use this pic for the Wenger Soldat 1961 page?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190529/a99d0fc2d63dadf34bdd2112a9446376.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190529/05d514568dada5a3e65cb8295b4b42d9.jpg)

It shows my specimens for the Soldat /Standard Issue (16520) / Swiss Army 70... I will need to take a better one... looks a bit dark...


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on May 29, 2019, 02:37:58 PM
Just a question to soldier knives experts... Any reason why there is no model 1908 listed?
Soldier 1890 page mentions that same model with some variations continued on until 1951...
Whilst, LCSAS has a separate listing for 1908... the page even has a blue print for model 1908...
http://www.couteaux-du-soldat-suisse.ch/J01/index.php/en/les-couteaux-du-soldat
http://www.couteaux-du-soldat-suisse.ch/J01/images/photos_site/modeles/1908/1908.pdf
I can understand model 1901 isn’t there as some experts considered this to be the same as model 1890 except for the scales...

Jaya are you suggesting a whole new page for the 1908 model?

So the main difference from 1890 model to 1908 is the drop point to spear point - Right?

In the Wiki we say this:

1890 Soldier Developments
The original Swiss Soldier Knife was issued to Swiss troops beginning in 1891, and has continued every year to the present day. This model was issued until 1951. Karl Elsener’s company, in conjunction with other Swiss cutlers, took over production in late 1891.
- The knives were originally produced with wooden handles, regular carbon steel and a drop-point blade.
- After 1901 the handles were switched to a brown wooden fibrous material.
- In 1908 the blade was switched to a clip-point design.
- Knives produced from 1921 (to the present day) have the year of production stamped on the tang of the main blade as two digits: YY - e.g. '36 ' for 1936. 

So I think we have it covered ?   :think:

LCAS for sure will always be the definitive source for Soldier information

Thoughts Soldier experts ?
Title: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on May 29, 2019, 02:45:12 PM
Huntsman, I was just merely asking for background on the sakwiki approach... ie, why no soecific mention or page on the model 1908... Not only did it have the clip point blade, but the screw driver tool is different...

Ulli’s soldier evolution pic is to the point in terms of milestones but does not mention the model numbers...

Another basis for the query, is I was asked in a discussion on the local Indonesian SAK grp about this as well, when there are alot of references to the specific model 1908...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on May 29, 2019, 02:47:35 PM
Oh here’s the edited Wenger Soldat pic...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190529/c7f3d7701ffb9ac477a8c3ba88463c73.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on May 31, 2019, 01:37:25 AM
I updated the 1890 Soldier page to really make clear the evolution of the 1890 model through the 1901 and 1908 variations
https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Soldier+1890

This was a good suggestion and improvement - Thanks Jaya

- As always comments/feedback/requests welcome

Hoping to get onto the catalogues next and finish off updating the Battle Series
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: CeHo on June 01, 2019, 09:53:15 PM
Maybe interesting for the Wiki:
Wenger Porsche including paperwork

(https://i.imgur.com/TuUJ0XS.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on June 01, 2019, 11:05:07 PM
:ahhh
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: CeHo on June 01, 2019, 11:18:53 PM
 :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on June 11, 2019, 04:45:01 AM
Maybe interesting for the Wiki: Wenger Porsche including paperwork

It was   :tu:  ...... https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+Porsche+Design+Series    :D
The page was also a bit messed up - So I fixed it!

Mauser variant also added - Thanks Meccy
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on June 11, 2019, 06:45:56 AM
:salute:

Good job :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on June 11, 2019, 08:58:47 AM
Great page Huntsman.  :like:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on June 26, 2019, 07:00:00 AM
The confusion arises because the SAK collecting community - the American community in particular - over the years has come up with what I call "collector's names" to refer to certain models. In almost all cases, this is done when the model either didn't have an official name (as was typical prior to the mid 1970s) or where it's official name was subsequently recycled onto another knife. These names are typically derived from either their 91mm equivalents (e.g. Huntsman Small) or from names found in catalogs from other countries. The SIMCO Canadian catalogs especially have contributed several "collector's names".

The knife we call the "Artisan" (136k, aka 84mm Fieldmaster) was sold in the US as the "Craftsman" almost exclusively. We use the Artisan name (French for Craftsman, btw) from the SIMCO to avoid confusion with the 91mm models of the same name. I have a several of these NIB - the boxes all say "Craftsman".

This is back from 2014...but perhaps this clears up some of the Craftsman 136ka issues regarding the use of 'Artisan'.  Perhaps since jazzbass said it more than 5 years ago, there's a chance some will believe it's true.

I was actually looking for something else when I found this...related somewhat.  I have a theory that the actual 50 Master Craftsman knives ordered by NASA in '78 were the fish scaler version.  #5044 (US) referenced in the NASA letter may cross reference the 1.47 93 version.  The 1976 dealer catalog may support the theory too.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on June 27, 2019, 04:04:00 AM
^^^ Great find KK - I think most of us acknowledge that JB is the highest of the higher authorities !!   ;)
Also I think SAKWiki editors have also been guilty of inventing a name every now and again !

I gotta admit I am finding this name re-using; different names for the same models; different names in different markets;  and 'made up names' thing to be getting more than a little frustrating.  :pok:
I know I shouldn't as the situation has evolved over many decades and has only come about as the world is shrinking and we now have collectors interested in SAKs from years ago that were only ever conceived as working tools/pocket knives for sale in a certain geography!

That is a really interesting theory about the NASA Craftsmen though - So you reckon NASA bought and sent up the six layer model that we now call the Craftsman
For sure  ..... In the 76 dealer catalogue the six layer one is indeed called the Master Craftsman - And then you look at the 1982 catalogue and its called the Craftsman ....... Grrrrrr - see what I mean !
However I am a little sceptical of this theory as the model that ended up as the "Space Shuttle'' model - For sure is five layers and I would have thought that model matched the one NASA bought?  ??? - Thoughts   :think:

Anyway updating the Craftsmen pages is probably bubbled to the top of the Wiki do list. Will put a post here when it's done.
Also I am due one of my big Wiki update posts now as a lot has happened since the last one!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on June 27, 2019, 09:44:51 AM
Not handled this sample yet (on reserve for me), but here’s a Master Craftsman with chisel back tool but no hook, so it appears there are early versions with this configuration. Hook was introduced around 1991 but not sure when the chisel was introduced.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on June 27, 2019, 06:15:25 PM
^^^ Great find KK - I think most of us acknowledge that JB is the highest of the higher authorities !!   ;)
Also I think SAKWiki editors have also been guilty of inventing a name every now and again !

I gotta admit I am finding this name re-using; different names for the same models; different names in different markets;  and 'made up names' thing to be getting more than a little frustrating.  :pok:
I know I shouldn't as the situation has evolved over many decades and has only come about as the world is shrinking and we now have collectors interested in SAKs from years ago that were only ever conceived as working tools/pocket knives for sale in a certain geography!
I gotta agree. Just wish I read this earlier instead of having to figure it out (mostly) on my own!  :facepalm:

I do think the 'made up names' should be listed just like that...'Artisan' or 'Small Fieldmaster'...italics or some such indicator.  But since the wiki is somewhat name-based, I think there should be references and cross-links for *everything*... all variations under said name.


That is a really interesting theory about the NASA Craftsmen though - So you reckon NASA bought and sent up the six layer model that we now call the Craftsman
For sure  ..... In the 76 dealer catalogue the six layer one is indeed called the Master Craftsman - And then you look at the 1982 catalogue and its called the Craftsman ....... Grrrrrr - see what I mean !
However I am a little sceptical of this theory as the model that ended up as the "Space Shuttle'' model - For sure is five layers and I would have thought that model matched the one NASA bought?  ??? - Thoughts   :think:

Anyway updating the Craftsmen pages is probably bubbled to the top of the Wiki do list. Will put a post here when it's done.
Also I am due one of my big Wiki update posts now as a lot has happened since the last one!

Just another crazy theory to test. But as I do my chronology, I always question *everything* known first...I've learned a LOT by needing to 'prove' every single note I make.

There are other reasons that support the theory. The Astronauts are named such right at the same time that the Craftsman line is 'upgraded' with pliers.  I think the coincidence is hard to ignore...

Not handled this sample yet (on reserve for me), but here’s a Master Craftsman with chisel back tool but no hook, so it appears there are early versions with this configuration. Hook was introduced around 1991 but not sure when the chisel was introduced.  :dunno:

The chisel was the last tool added in the late '85 early '86 range, among the other c. '85 changes. Yours is a sample past c. '87, since it has the bevel past the eye on the awl tip. Without seeing it, I would bet that the main blade tang has a big V Victorinox.  So this knife is from the broad range from '87 right to '91 and I think is officially an Astronaut model because of the date.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on June 28, 2019, 06:35:27 AM
Thanks for the nicely summarized feedback on this topic kamakiri  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: MiniChamp on June 28, 2019, 12:42:43 PM
I have a theory that the actual 50 Master Craftsman knives ordered by NASA in '78 were the fish scaler version.  #5044 (US) referenced in the NASA letter may cross reference the 1.47 93 version.
The book by Derek Jackson (pages 183-185 in the third edition (https://books.google.co.il/books?id=N5R2DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA183); other pages in older editions) has a nice story about one of these SAKs getting used on a 1983 mission. It includes the attached image of the actual SAK.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on June 28, 2019, 03:29:12 PM
Looks 5 layers to me. Also apparent Letter confirms #5044...fascinating story  :like:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on June 28, 2019, 07:30:06 PM
I've seen the documents and pictures.  I'm just not sure that the original 50 ordered were used on the '83 mission.  Say they originally ordered the 6 layer knife and somewhere in-between NASA thought to ditch the fish scaler for weight savings. When the knife is (re)issued circa '86, it was given a new name to celebrate the actual model used in space.  The main support for the theory is that the 5 layer version isn't seen in any of the US printed catalogs available from that time. Would be nice to find the #5044 link.

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on June 28, 2019, 07:47:07 PM
Thanks for the nicely summarized feedback on this topic kamakiri  :hatsoff:

You're welcome! I did forget to add...that the easiest way to check the date would be to pop off the scales. (Not that I recommend doing it) They should both be stamped and dated underneath.  And the 1.0mm liner might be able to tell wether it's from the earlier or latter end of that '87-'91 range.

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on June 28, 2019, 11:33:32 PM
I may do that when it arrives. I’ve found with a gentle warming I can pop of the scales without damaging the bosses.  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on June 29, 2019, 10:13:44 AM
I may do that when it arrives. I’ve found with a gentle warming I can pop of the scales without damaging the bosses.  :hatsoff:

You should never damage a boss, it's bad for your career.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on June 29, 2019, 10:32:52 AM
In case anyone can get some more dating info from this:

- Boxed as an "Astronaut",
- "82" stamped on bottom of the box.
- all tools opened, so no chisel or hook
- VICTORINOX tang stamp (all letters same height)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190629/1144745ca135b3d679c38e7f2c4c6414.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on June 29, 2019, 06:05:31 PM
You should never damage a boss, it's bad for your career.
:facepalm:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on June 30, 2019, 01:26:26 AM
In case anyone can get some more dating info from this:

- Boxed as an "Astronaut",
- "82" stamped on bottom of the box.
- all tools opened, so no chisel or hook
- VICTORINOX tang stamp (all letters same height)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190629/1144745ca135b3d679c38e7f2c4c6414.jpg)

Looks c. late '85/early '86.  I don't think I see a bevel on the awl toward the tip, but a shot of the awl closed could confirm. Still the white flocked/felted liner in the box?
You should never damage a boss, it's bad for your career.
:facepalm:

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on June 30, 2019, 05:46:27 AM
Still not sure if #5044 the six layer 'Master' Craftsman.  It may be 'tied' to that Master Craftsman name for both 5 and 6 layers. Later, in the mid- '80s, late six layer *and* the first pliers Craftsman *both* appear to be #5020 in different catalogs.  Space Shuttles appear to have #5049, just to add to the confusion.

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on June 30, 2019, 09:43:21 AM


Looks c. late '85/early '86.  I don't think I see a bevel on the awl toward the tip, but a shot of the awl closed could confirm. Still the white flocked/felted liner in the box? :facepalm:

Some hard plastic with a smooth touch to it, yes.

I'll get you the awl shot later :cheers:

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on July 30, 2019, 02:08:18 PM
Just noticed that the Spartan page in the Wiki has reached 100,000 hits

It's the 14th most visited page
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on July 30, 2019, 06:24:21 PM
That’s impressive!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: sakwakky on September 18, 2019, 04:13:02 AM
I have so many pictures of saks that are NOT (yet) on sakwiki....I have registered and tried to figure out how to add some photos but I cannot seem to get it to work.  anyone want to tell me how or where is a simple place to learn?  I tried the practice area and that wasnt working for me either!

particularly on the Wenger side I have a lot of things to share that are not there

thank you in advance

Dave Arnold
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on September 18, 2019, 05:22:57 AM
Hi Dave,

You need to be registered as an editor - Not a regular user
If you are not an editor please send an MT.o PM to Chief editor enki_ck - To request editorial access - We use our MT.o IDs in the Wiki for ease of identification

Please look at the gallery and sub-gallery structures
I know you have lots of old Wengers - So if we need a new, say - 'Vintage' gallery or sub-gallery let me know and I can create one

When you have access
Go into the appropriate gallery and sub-gallery from the menus on the right hand side of the screen - Last column under Pic
Then use this function to upload images

We have not quite got a formal image naming convention going - But try and fit in with what you see in the galleries - ie '(Manufacturer) Model - Other Details'

Let me know if that makes sense and if you need more info/help
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on October 12, 2019, 07:15:31 PM
Revised the Artisan (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Artisan) page to include the Craftsman and 136ka name/number in the description. I hope this maintains the current use and reference to the name 'Artisan' while respecting the actual historic naming and numbering of this knife.

New (version 20):
Quote
The knife commonly known as the 'Artisan', (and also known as the: Fieldmaster - small), was originally named Craftsman and numbered 136ka for decades before the name was reused for the 91mm 6-layer versions circa 1973. It is an 84mm Victorinox knife with 4 tool layers and the same basic tool selection as the larger 91mm Fieldmaster.

Old:
Quote
The Artisan, (also known as the: Fieldmaster - small), is an 84mm Victorinox knife with 4 tool layers and the same basic tool selection as the larger 91mm Fieldmaster. There is little known about this model, so it may have only been produced in smaller numbers or in specific markets.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on October 13, 2019, 02:03:40 AM
Revised the Artisan (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Artisan) page to include the Craftsman and 136ka name/number in the description. I hope this maintains the current use and reference to the name 'Artisan' while respecting the actual historic naming and numbering of this knife.
........
Hi KK (and Knights)
Following our discussion on this topic in the Craftsman Love page - This update was on my do list – But you beat me to it !    :)
I was actually going to do it this weekend!     .... Really !!!

However, I was planning a slightly different approach to what you have done.
Also, I don’t think that we can say the Artisan was called the Craftsman "for decades before the name was reused for the 91mm 6-layer versions" given the back spring Phillips only came out in ’52 and the Craftsman we believe was born in 1973!
So the maximum it could have been is two   – Which I don’t think counts as "....for decades ....." !!

I was planning to add a Name Disambiguation section - in common with other Wiki pages where we have duplication / confusion over names.

So my update would have looked like this  – The red texts would be hyperlinks to the appropriate pages.
I was not sure about putting the old model number in the top section, as shown here – Or just in the identification section at the bottom
– Preference I think I is the latter - and probably also in the History section !!
I would also edit the History section a bit as it too talks about the name switches.

Quote
The Artisan (old style model number 136ka) is a four-layer 84mm Victorinox knife with and the same basic tool selection as the larger 91mm Fieldmaster, and is also known as the Fieldmaster – Small.

Name Disambiguation:
The French word ‘artisan’ when translated into English is ‘craftsman’ and this name was historically used for this model, at least in the US market (see this catalogue).
In approximately 1973 the Craftsman name was re-used for the six-layer 91mm Craftsman.
This naming may also explain why the Master Craftsman is smaller than the current Craftsman – As it is larger (size and layers) than this model..

I was also planning to put an equivalent update to the Craftsman and Master Craftsman pages

Let me know what you think folks

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on October 13, 2019, 02:25:27 AM
'40s, '50s, '60s, '70s...decades.  I think just the proposed name disambiguation is missing the point a bit.  Look at JB's post again...the knife is originally a Craftsman numbered 136ka. Otherwise the whole page should be renamed 'Craftsman 84mm' or something like that, and relink all the relevant pages.  I think that would be more confusing considering how things got here.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on October 13, 2019, 03:56:15 AM
Hi KK

I was editing this post in flight - a couple of time - as I was checking things out/proof reading - So how it reads now may not be how your read it when you replied - Apologies for that

The back spring Phillips came out in 52 - Right? The six layer Craftsman came out in 73 -
So if we assume that the 84mm Phillips came out at the the same time as the 91mm Phillips - The maximum it can have been is 21 years - I make that two decades !

Please can you explain what point is the name disambiguation section missing - I am not clear on this

Also - Are you sure that back in the day - the 136ka was called a 'Craftsman' in the German/French speaking country of Switzerland - It's just the English translation of the name .... right??
Also back in those days the numeric numbers were the main identifier - Correct  ?
I don't think we should be re-organising the Wiki around English translations of Swiss names - or US catalogues - When we know importers/dealers quite often mucked around with the names ! At least before the names got stanardised mid 70s

I think like you said in the Craftsman thread - It would be really good to see a catalogue of the 136ka with another name - eg Artisan !!

Also please can you tell me to which JB post you are referring    :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on October 13, 2019, 04:25:06 AM
The back spring Phillips came out in 52 - Right? The six layer Craftsman came out in 73 -
So if we assume that the 84mm Phillips came out at the the same time as the 91mm Phillips - The maximum it can have been is 21 years - I make that two decades !

'52 is wrong on the phillips. Doesn't explain the 'PWAR' '46 to '51 copies with the backspring phillips that are 'crab-claw' and pre- US PAT PEND/+PAT.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48124494852_791bd35c80.jpg)

We can argue the semantics or just drop the 'decades' part if it bothers anyone else.  But two decadeS is still plural.



Please can you explain what point is the name disambiguation section missing - I am not clear on this
That the 136ka was ever called Craftsman.


Also - Are you sure that back in the day - the 136ka was called a 'Craftsman' in the German/French speaking country of Switzerland - It's just the English translation of the name .... right??
Also back in those days the numeric numbers were the main identifier - Correct  ?
I don't think we should be re-organising the Wiki around English translations of Swiss names - or US catalogues - When we know importers/dealers quite often mucked around with the names ! At least for info before the names got stanardised mid 70s

I think like you said in the Craftsman thread - It would be really good to see a catalogue of the 136ka with another name - eg Artisan !!

Also please can you tell me to which JB post you are referring    :tu:

I quoted it it one page back...here it is again:
The confusion arises because the SAK collecting community - the American community in particular - over the years has come up with what I call "collector's names" to refer to certain models. In almost all cases, this is done when the model either didn't have an official name (as was typical prior to the mid 1970s) or where it's official name was subsequently recycled onto another knife. These names are typically derived from either their 91mm equivalents (e.g. Huntsman Small) or from names found in catalogs from other countries. The SIMCO Canadian catalogs especially have contributed several "collector's names".

The knife we call the "Artisan" (136k, aka 84mm Fieldmaster) was sold in the US as the "Craftsman" almost exclusively. We use the Artisan name (French for Craftsman, btw) from the SIMCO to avoid confusion with the 91mm models of the same name. I have a several of these NIB - the boxes all say "Craftsman".

The '80 SMICO catalog only proves that the first 6 layer fish scaler type was ever called Artisan.

It seems to me that boxes left the factory in the PWAR period with both names and numbers. Good enough for me.

This is a Woodsman example...but the same idea:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48887936528_205f972eeb.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48888470071_8124597a9f.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48888469881_826e6d03a4.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on October 13, 2019, 04:52:56 AM
And the '73 'end' is suspect as well. Might be '76 or later that it was still officially called Craftsman.

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 17, 2019, 12:43:31 AM
New page for the annual limited edition Alox models - Yay !!   :tu:   
And great photos .....  :drool:

Thanks Nick4      :salute:
Title: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on November 17, 2019, 03:16:06 AM
:woohoo:

If needed, here’s a pic showing all the colors released to date...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191117/ce462096a3cbd6d76eff443aca3c32c9.jpg)

I guess now the Pioneer, Cadet and Classic pages needs to be updated accordingly as well.

I read somewhere that there was some official protest on Vic’s LE2019 name choice... And now the official color is now just Gold instead of Champagne Gold...

Also, don’t know how true this information is, rumors are about that there will be no nespresso pioneers for 2020...


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 17, 2019, 03:35:58 AM
Very nice pic Jaya - We'll put this in the gallery - And probably on the page

The Cadet page has been updated with this info for a while ! We'll check the other two.

I heard that gold rumour two - I am sure from the same source - What a load of twaddle - Surely Champagne Gold is not a protected expression !!

Shame about the Nespressos if true - I am not a collector - But they were pretty nice -  Although a bit expensive 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on November 17, 2019, 10:08:51 AM
New page for the annual limited edition Alox models - Yay !!   :tu:   
And great photos .....  :drool:

Thanks Nick4      :salute:
:salute:
Sorry, I haven't enough time now to work on the SAKWiki project. :( But I'll try to do all my best.

If needed, here’s a pic showing all the colors released to date...
Great photo, jaya_man!  :hatsoff:

I read somewhere that there was some official protest on Vic’s LE2019 name choice... And now the official color is now just Gold instead of Champagne Gold...

As I can see from the Victoriniox website page (https://www.victorinox.com/global/en/Products/Swiss-Army-Knives/Medium-Pocket-Knives/Pioneer-Alox-Limited-Edition-2019/p/0.8201.L19), they describe this colour now as 'champagne-gold-hued':
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The champagne-gold-hued Alox scales characterize this year’s collection.

Very nice pic Jaya
:iagree:  :like:

We'll put this in the gallery - And probably on the page
Please feel free to make any modifications.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 17, 2019, 12:05:46 PM
As I can see from the Victoriniox website page, they describe this colour now as 'champagne-gold-hued':

Does that mean we now have to call the classic Swiss Army Knife scales 'red-hued' and the other common colour 'black-hued'    :pok:    :rofl:

For those of you who did not hear - The objection was over the use of the word Champagne as this is allegedly unique to a type of wine coming from a region of France

I get it: Calling a bubbly white wine from China, or even Australia, Champagne - Is not right  - But objecting to using it to describe a colour is a bit ridiculous   (IMHO!!    :pok:)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on November 17, 2019, 12:41:55 PM
Does that mean we know have to call the classic Swiss Army Knife scales 'red-hued' and the other common colour 'black-hued'    :pok:    :rofl:
:rofl: For my Russian ears, it sounds obscene.
Show content
(“Hue” sounds a bit like a Russian word meaning a smurf.)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on December 09, 2019, 06:14:25 PM
Made some minor edits and additions to the Victorinox Master Craftsman Small (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Master+Craftsman+Small) page.

Updated start reference form 1960s to 1950s and added 136kma reference and picture.

(https://www.sakwiki.com/show_image.php?id=4040)

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This model became available in the 1950s when it would have been known as a model 136kma, and later as 136kmaU, prior to names being used by Victorinox. Hoffritz versions were produced into the mid-1970s.

Added Identifiers:
136ka
136 - Hoffritz Master Craftsman - 1960s
11037 - Hoffritz Explorer - 1970s


Added under Related Knives:
Master Craftsman - The equivalent 91mm version - Removes toothpick and tweezers before mid-1960s
Artisan - Removes the file and bail or keyring
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 09, 2019, 09:27:26 PM
Great - Thanks KK - Nice update
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on December 10, 2019, 06:04:51 PM
 :cheers: Thanks, Huntsman! Also made some small additions to Outdoorsman_Original (History and Identifiers) and Artisan (picture row) pages yesterday. The Outdoorsman history text I added is clumsy and this is one of the pages that I plan to expand on, but I really wanted to fix the incorrect note about only 1970s production.

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 13, 2019, 05:28:22 AM
Hi Knights, SAK Fans and the World,    :climber:

Well it’s time for our annual report and check in about what has been happening in the Wiki.    :tu:
We have not had one for nearly two years and there is so much to say I am going to split this up into five updates, each of which will each be a separate post!   

What is really exciting about the recent Wiki work  is that lots of people have been involved
– And this is not just Wiki editors, or even MT.o members, we have had other people/groups helping us out too.  :salute:

We also have a few questions for you about Wiki structure, approach etc   :think:

And there will also be a few stats thrown in for good measure.   :cheers:

Anyway, let’s start right at the top.

Home Page Updates
We realised recently that the Wiki main page does not even mention what most people consider to be a Swiss Army Knife.  :o 
It discussed history, the Soldiers, the two companies, but did not mention the …… (red scaled) Officer’s Knife.
So we have a new fourth paragraph that introduces this! The last three paragraphs have also been juggled somewhat.
And here is the first  (baby) question:  :think:  On this page following a couple of paragraphs we have the expression "See Wiki pages right →"
I like the arrow and it works really well from a PC screen - as the arrow points at the menus on the right. Not so good on a smart phone as the screen is restructured.
So do we leave the expression as is? Or maybe just say:  "See Wiki pages" ?    ???

Family Trees
We have inserted Max Stone’s fabulous 91mm and 130mm family trees into the main 130mm and 91mm pages.
This was done towards the end of May this year – Since then they have had over 21,000 hits – Amazing – Thank you Max for these great artifacts.
(Note I am pretty sure that when the page that contains the image gets a hit – A hit is registered against the image)

OK now onto some more exciting stuff!!
New Wiki Pages
You would think that the Wiki is fairly static eh?  :think:........  Not so at all     :pok:
The following brand new pages have been added to the Wiki in the last year or so

I would urge you all to visit all of these pages as they really are great     :cheers:  Many are accessed by the Series pages:
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+Series+and+Special+Editions
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Series+and+Special+Editions
We owe a massive, massive vote of thanks and gratitude to one of our newer editors Nick4, as he created nearly all these pages for us.  :tu:
However, thanks are also due to two other new editors Max Stone (recognise that name!!) who is working away at the Delémont pages and xfile who also created some of these pages.  :tu:


I am also really happy as this now means our Wenger Series page is now complete – It had had missing links till this week!!   

So what are the next exciting installments?  ???
So watch this space!!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on December 13, 2019, 07:38:34 AM
We owe a massive, massive vote of thanks and gratitude to one of our newer editors Nick4, as he created nearly all these pages for us.  :tu:
My pleasure.  :salute:  :hatsoff: And without your great help, this would not have been possible.  :tu:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on December 13, 2019, 05:15:48 PM
Just updated the Chinese Zodiac page, I added 2018 - 2019 - 2020 including pics.  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on December 13, 2019, 06:49:49 PM
:2tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 13, 2019, 09:17:37 PM
Great stuff Ivo - Thanks very much - Welcome to the SAKWiki editing team

Edit PS: Even the 2020 model is there - Amazing - We are ahead of ourselves  :tu:   - That's a first - See above and below!!  :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on December 13, 2019, 11:28:44 PM
Thanks Huntsman  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on December 14, 2019, 07:56:37 PM
New page created "Victorinox Ukraine Edition". The link can be found in several other pages in the "Variations" sections from Classic SD , Spartan , Nomad , Waiter , Climber and Huntsman.  :hatsoff:
This is the link to go straight away to the new page :

https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Ukraine+Edition
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on December 14, 2019, 09:18:23 PM
New page created "Victorinox Ukraine Edition".
It looks great!  :like: :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 14, 2019, 09:22:56 PM
Wow - Amazing - I never knew about those -  And so many   :o
Thanks Ivo    :hatsoff:     :D 

I added a link to your new page in the Victorinox Series Page (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Series+and+Special+Editions)
And created a new sub-gallery gallery for the images which is in the Series Gallery (and moved the images)

EDIT: PS Come to think of it I had seen a couple of the black city models on the bay - But none of the others
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on December 14, 2019, 10:29:01 PM
It looks great!  :like: :tu:

Thanks Nick  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on December 14, 2019, 10:30:43 PM
Wow - Amazing - I never knew about those -  And so many   :o
Thanks Ivo    :hatsoff:     :D 

I added a link to your new page in the Victorinox Series Page (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Series+and+Special+Editions)
And created a new sub-gallery gallery for the images which is in the Series Gallery (and moved the images)

EDIT: PS Come to think of it I had seen a couple of the black city models on the bay - But none of the others

I have several of these Ukraine Spartans.
Thanks for correcting my error with the galleries.  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on December 14, 2019, 11:12:05 PM
I registered for an account once...
I need to get to work on this :D

All talk and no action is not how I should roll...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on December 14, 2019, 11:39:13 PM
 :iagree: that's why I start rolling  :hatsoff: :rofl:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 15, 2019, 12:05:40 AM
Thanks for correcting my error with the galleries. 
No problem - They needed a new gallery anyway - And I think only admins can create new gelleries
It's just great to have the page and images there and you helping out !  :cheers:    :D


I need to get to work on this
Do it man - Be good to have you on board   :tu:    :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on December 15, 2019, 10:34:38 AM
I'm glad I can help, I worked 36 years in IT and now I'm 4 years unemployed so I'm happy I can help out.
I used to be a mainframe system engineer and also made dynamic websites on mainframes without using any web designer tools so I wrote them strait in html. For some of them I combined 4 or 5 different programming languages together. These times where awesome.  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on December 15, 2019, 10:47:14 AM
And I have like...

Uhm...

A camera...

And... Uhm... An account

:facepalm:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on December 15, 2019, 10:50:54 AM
And I have like...

Uhm...

A camera...

And... Uhm... An account

:facepalm:

Good morning , feeling great , finally sunshine  :ahhh :tu: :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on December 15, 2019, 10:54:16 AM
Good morning , feeling great , finally sunshine  :ahhh :tu: :hatsoff:
Haha. True enough. Last night was brutal here... And the morning is just as calm :dd:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on December 15, 2019, 12:37:20 PM
Sooo..

Snapped a pic to add.
Turns out I couldn't log in, so I figured I must have forgotten my password or something.

"Forgot password"
Email address unknown... Oh?

*Enters username*

Username unknown... Well, that was anticlimactic :/
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 15, 2019, 01:07:36 PM
PM inbound
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on December 15, 2019, 02:39:21 PM
I am also really happy as this now means our Wenger Series page is now complete – It had had missing links till this week!!   
Not at all.;)  A page for the Sterling series still required.  :pok:

BTW, there is a new page for the Wenger Blackout series (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+Blackout+Series).

And totally impressed by the wonderful work of Ivo, just created the Russian series 2017 (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Russian+Edition) page.  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 15, 2019, 04:08:13 PM
It looks like editors are not able to browse the image galleries (You do not have permission to use this feature: tiki_p_list_image_galleries)

I haven't changed anything in the admin settings. Switching to user Ivo or Mechanickal and then browsing the gallery results in that error.
Ivo, how did you upload those images?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on December 15, 2019, 04:56:17 PM
Turns out you need to upload the pictures by selecting the image box behind the respective size of the knife you want to upload a picture of.


(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191215/7ff98d9f597aced84dd3624683aeceb7.jpg)

After editing a page or 2 and creating 1, all I can say is that it's much more work than one would think.
All I can say is :hatsoff: to you all and I'm glad I can contribute.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on December 15, 2019, 05:12:58 PM
Renier, like Mechanical explained , go to the home page and  in the right column you see all the knife sizes , behind every size is a symbol, select what you need and click on the symbol, now you are in correct gallerie and you can upload your picture(s).  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on December 15, 2019, 05:13:55 PM
Not at all.;)  A page for the Sterling series still required.  :pok:

BTW, there is a new page for the Wenger Blackout series (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+Blackout+Series).

And totally impressed by the wonderful work of Ivo, just created the Russian series 2017 (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Russian+Edition) page.  :salute:

Thanks Nick  :cheers:
I like you new page also, I did not know that they also have there own knives.  :tu: :like:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 15, 2019, 05:28:14 PM
Renier, like Mechanical explained , go to the home page and  in the right column you see all the knife sizes , behind every size is a symbol, select what you need and click on the symbol, now you are in correct gallerie and you can upload your picture(s).  :hatsoff:

Thanks Ivo, I'm aware of that route.
I was just wondering why Editors cannot browse the galleries: https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-galleries.php
You do have the link in the Wiki menu but you get a permission error.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on December 15, 2019, 05:28:38 PM
I like you new page also, I did not know that they also have there own knives.  :tu: :like:
Thank you, Ivo!  :hatsoff:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on December 15, 2019, 05:34:07 PM
Thanks Ivo, I'm aware of that route.
I was just wondering why Editors cannot browse the galleries: https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-galleries.php
You do have the link in the Wiki menu but you get a permission error.

Yes I do , Huntsman told me this link points to a gallerie where only admins have right for.  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 15, 2019, 05:37:43 PM
Yes I do , Huntsman told me this link points to a gallerie where only admins have right for.  :hatsoff:

I see. I never noticed because I'm not in the Editors group.

Move along please, nothing to see here :whistle:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on December 15, 2019, 05:48:38 PM
If anyone wants to check on the "Grand Prix Small" page for me, it'd be greatly appreciated.

Just trying to get some feedback if I'm doing this right :dwts:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on December 15, 2019, 06:03:14 PM
To me it looks good, I would remove the headers with no text and upload a smaller picture, when you click on the picture it is much bigger than the screen.
Do you have also a pic from the back with the BP logo ?  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 15, 2019, 06:19:45 PM
What is our naming convention for page names? Grand Prix Small or Victorinox Grand Prix small? I prefer the latter.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 15, 2019, 06:22:30 PM
Oh, and good job Nick. Nice photos too.

I see some additional trailing spaces in the headers, but I'm nitpicking now. Those are found on dozens of pages :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on December 15, 2019, 06:25:08 PM


To me it looks good, I would remove the headers with no text and upload a smaller picture, when you click on the picture it is much bigger than the screen.
Do you have also a pic from the back with the BP logo ?  :hatsoff:

Oops :D

The back with the BP logo is on my to-do list. But lighting conditions turned terrible so it has to wait for a bit. I was barely able to take a decent picture of the front.

What is our naming convention for page names? Grand Prix Small or Victorinox Grand Prix small? I prefer the latter.

Well the page already existed in the list, so I just clicked "create this page" and worked from there.
I also noticed the "Victorinox" prefix but found no way of getting rid of it :(
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on December 15, 2019, 06:26:09 PM
Oh, and good job Nick. Nice photos too.

I see some additional trailing spaces in the headers, but I'm nitpicking now. Those are found on dozens of pages :)
I copied the page from another model since I have no understanding of the coding yet. So I think I just migrated those extra spaces from the other page :whistle:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on December 15, 2019, 07:02:48 PM
- Empty header removed.

- Uploaded a smaller size picture and placed it instead of the first one.

- added a picture of the backside BP logo...



My place doesn't look like it does on other days :D
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191215/05c21aad5966fb7f9200a7280a75e4c8.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on December 15, 2019, 07:20:53 PM
Much better now  :tu: :like:  :cheers:
That's a cool looking SAK, never saw that one  :drool: :drool: :like:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 16, 2019, 01:52:26 AM
Oh Boy - I can't keep up with you guys - Thanks for all the recent additions everyone .....  :cheers:    :tu:    :salute:
I've made a few small changes to a couple of the updated pages

.... just created the Russian series 2017 (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Russian+Edition) page.  :salute:
Another beauty - I adjusted the table format for you (see history) - Hope it's OK - If the piccies are too big pls make them smaller  :tu:
I also created a new sub-gallery for the images in the series gallery and moved the images to that galley

.... go to the home page and  in the right column you see all the knife sizes , behind every size is a symbol, select what you need and click on the symbol, now you are in correct gallerie and you can upload your picture(s).:
Yes please use this route for uploading images - Please don't forget the series galleries and also all the various sub-galleries - More about this in update No.3

I was just wondering why Editors cannot browse the galleries: https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-galleries.php
You do have the link in the Wiki menu but you get a permission error.
Not sure about that one myself - However all galleries should be accessible via the other route
More about this in Update 3

..... I would remove the headers with no text and upload a smaller picture, when you click on the picture it is much bigger than the screen.
Thanks - Yes please remove all empty sections - More about this in upcoming editor's guide. 

Yes I do , Huntsman told me this link points to a gallery where only admins have right for. 
I think here we were referring to the so called file galleries not the image galleries (it's bit confusing) - Editors definitely don't have access to the file galleries - But the image galleries are what you need for piccies - See above!

What is our naming convention for page names? Grand Prix Small or Victorinox Grand Prix small? I prefer the latter.
Hmm - We don't really have naming conventions - I think it has all been a bit haphazard over the years with all the different editors
Many pages have the manufacturer prefix - Many do not!
I prefer the prefix to improve on Google search hits !
The same Q applies to images - Also more about this in Update 3

I also noticed the "Victorinox" prefix but found no way of getting rid of it :(
Yes - You cannot change page names - Although I think admins can - But we should avoid this!

After editing a page or 2 and creating 1, all I can say is that it's much more work than one would think.
All I can say is :hatsoff: to you all and I'm glad I can contribute.

Too True  !!!   :o    :(
Absolutely - And Thank You   (all)  !!
   :tu:    :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 16, 2019, 03:31:41 AM
If anyone wants to check on the "Grand Prix Small" page for me, it'd be greatly appreciated.
Just trying to get some feedback if I'm doing this right

Thanks M - Great stuff - Much appreciated
I made a few what I call standardisation edits

I am planning an editors guide which will be a Wiki model page with comments explaining approach, styles, conventions etc
This will explain many of the the edits I have made to this page.
I really need to get this done, as I think it will help!
 
This comment was coming in my Wiki Update No. 5 - But making it here  as it's relevant
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on December 16, 2019, 07:50:20 AM
In for the updates...took some errors and digging to figure out the image gallery structure.

If anyone wants to check on the "Grand Prix Small" page for me, it'd be greatly appreciated.

Just trying to get some feedback if I'm doing this right :dwts:

Nice knife!  But I don't think it's old enough to have been numbered 135kma.  The round phillips means it's post '83 or so.  Since it's an advertising knife, the can key doesn't preclude production after 1990. Could be stock that was disposed later.

Can you post a pic of the top and bottom of the knife?

Are the liners all anodized?



Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on December 16, 2019, 07:51:35 AM
Another beauty - I adjusted the table format for you (see history) - Hope it's OK - If the piccies are too big pls make them smaller  :tu:
I also created a new sub-gallery for the images in the series gallery and moved the images to that galley
Thank you very much!  :hatsoff: It's looks definitely better now!  :tu: :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on December 16, 2019, 12:07:19 PM
So... regarding galleries... I don't know when or how, but probably during one of the server changes and/or database migration all the picture galleries got migrated to a parent gallery which is a file gallery. And as only Admins have access to file galleries to avoid misuse and maybe someone uploading some maleware, editors and regular users only have access to picture galleries.

We could probably move the picture galleries to a separate picture parent gallery as it had been for years before the migration, but the tikiwiki is such a fragile software that I'm not sure that would be a safe move and wouldn't cause more problems than good.

So all the editors are able to upload pics to the galleries they need to, but if you have any other formats, like pdf catalogs and such, PM me or email me with the info and files, and I'll upload them to the wiki and provide links.
 :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on December 16, 2019, 12:11:28 PM
Naming convention for any and all new pages should be Victorinox "MODEL NAME" so the pages are better indexed by search engines and we get better hits if searched by google and such.

Yes, Admins can change the name of the model/page, but that's not a very good route for older pages as a lot of them are interconnected via page links, and changing the page name would break them and require one to search for all the broken links to correct them, in size and layer indexes, in various similar model pages.... A tedious task :facepalm:

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 16, 2019, 12:42:49 PM
Sounds like a good job for our intern then :)

But no, it would probably also mean that external links and search engine results would point to the wrong (old) page URLs.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 16, 2019, 12:43:16 PM
So... regarding galleries... I don't know when or how, but probably during one of the server changes and/or database migration all the picture galleries got migrated to a parent gallery which is a file gallery. .......
We could probably move the picture galleries to a separate picture parent gallery as it had been for years before the migration, but the tikiwiki is such a fragile software that I'm not sure that would be a safe move and wouldn't cause more problems than good.
Right - I was going to mention this via pm/admin
- But as you mention it, it's time to own up  :( ........ I think that I might have migrated some image galleries to file galleries.
I did some work on the image galleries earlier this year (more on this in infamous Update No.3!) and was trying to move some pics - And I think it was me  :twak:

I was going to ask ........
I think all the original image galleries are still there - as image galleries and in their gallery heirarchy
So I was thinking we can just delete those file galleries ?  ???   

So all the editors are able to upload pics to the galleries they need to, but if you have any other formats, like pdf catalogs and such, PM me or email me with the info and files, and I'll upload them to the wiki and provide links.
Or me or Reiner  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on December 16, 2019, 05:13:35 PM
Naming convention for any and all new pages should be Victorinox "MODEL NAME" so the pages are better indexed by search engines and we get better hits if searched by google and such.

 :tu: Will do.  :salute:



Yes, Admins can change the name of the model/page, but that's not a very good route for older pages as a lot of them are interconnected via page links, and changing the page name would break them and require one to search for all the broken links to correct them, in size and layer indexes, in various similar model pages.... A tedious task :facepalm:

 :tu: This is one reason why I didn't want to *ask* anyone else to start changing names for some of the older models.   Some pages are cross-referenced a LOT!  I suppose anyone wanting to change or update a page name should post here so others can review for fixing all the links?  Editor of the name should be 'responsible' for finding and fixing them all?

Victorinox XXmm
# Layer Model list
Tool to Model Table
Tool page - Related knives
Related knife cross-references

Maybe I should try with one of the thinner models first...like Picnicker_91mm. 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on December 16, 2019, 05:19:42 PM
Sounds like a good job for our intern then :)

But no, it would probably also mean that external links and search engine results would point to the wrong (old) page URLs.

Won't that fix itself over time?  I just googled Victorinox Picnicker and the 91mm page didn't even show up. The 111mm page did.

Oh, and I think that might be spelled incorrectly for the 111mm.  I think that one has two 'k's? PicKnicker :dunno:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 16, 2019, 05:44:26 PM
Won't that fix itself over time?

On SERPs, yes, probably. But links on Facebook, MTo, blogs and other websites will point to non-existing pages. Unless Tiki parses the old URL and serves the new page with a 301 HTTP header.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 16, 2019, 06:20:46 PM
Yes some of the page names are not ideal - Especially ones like that with an underscore (there are a few)
However as enki said - I think we should not change them.

On the internet usage / Google search issue this could give my thoughts are:
 
SAKWiki is very well established in the SAK user community - eg look at eBay or Facebook etc
And many people wanting to find about about SAKs will already know of its existence
So people will find their way through the menus

When people google search - from scratch - as you found out KK - SAKWiki will often come up with something or other and they can then go from there
And often they won't know the model name anyway - So will be going through the menus looking at layers/tools etc to find a name.   
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on December 16, 2019, 07:30:37 PM
Couldn't the old page just be edited down to a link that says, "This page has been moved/updated to (link)"?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on December 16, 2019, 07:52:32 PM
Naming convention for any and all new pages should be Victorinox "MODEL NAME" so the pages are better indexed by search engines and we get better hits if searched by google and such.
And for Wenger models pages too? ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on December 16, 2019, 08:16:20 PM
And for Wenger models pages too? ;)

And for Delemont as well :P

But I do hope we created most of the missing Wenher pages by now. ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on December 17, 2019, 09:45:16 AM
A page for the Sterling series still required.  :pok:
Fixed (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+Sterling+Series).
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 20, 2019, 02:21:38 AM
Hi Knights, SAK Fans and the World,    :climber:

Well it’s time for our second update, but before we start we have had a few new pages added even in the last week:
All from our new(ish) editors Nick4, Ivo and Mechanickal ....... Thanks very much lads :cheers:


So, this summary post is for the:


Existing Pages with Updates
You would think that the Wiki existing pages are fairly static eh?  :think:........  Not so at all     :pok:

The Wiki pages are constantly being updated
Many of the changes are pretty minor - Fixing: Grammar; Spelling; Missing Links; Missing Images; Formatting; Wording etc etc
– Most of which is pretty boring, but improves the overall accuracy and usability of the Wiki.

So, what we have included below are just the pages that have had major or significant updates and ones where SAK friends from all over the world have helped us:

Page
   Updates
Golf Tool
   Reformatted
SportRatchet
   Reformatted
Yeoman Mechanic
   New image for the Heuliez version – Thanks Mechanickal
Wenger Series
   Lots of series pages added – Thanks Nick4
Chinese Zodiac
   Latest models added – Thanks Ivo
Craftsman/Phillips backspring models
   We have had some interesting debates, mainly led by Kamakiri on these models ( Craftsman, Artisan, Grand Prix etc) regarding their naming. These discussions have not fully run their course yet. However, some of the pages have been updated 
 
Ueli Steck Models
   Various edits
Wenger Standard Issue
   Major reformat of the page – Inline with the major revisions of the various Victorinox Soldier pages made a couple of years ago. Updates to Wenger 1890 and 1951 pages to follow
 
Skipper
   More of PitirM's fantastic nautical in situ images added
Alinghi Models
   Bit more info on the history of these models. Crew Alinghi model page to be added to Wiki (in plan) 
Cheese Knife
   This page was totally trashed - possibly by a software upgrade.
It has been completely reformatted, new sections added, and most recently the Version 2 model added - Note: There’s still a few more pictures and text to add on V2 (in plan)   
 
Delémont Updates
   Updates to existing Wenger and Delémont pages due to new Delémonts being added – Thanks Max Stone
Zodiac Series
   Nicer formatting of the page
VSAKCS
   This page had several missing images and jaya_man and LeaF have found all of the missing images for us. We added the 2018 image from a Facebook colleague. (2019 model will be added shortly). We have also hooked up with the VSAKCS people and added a little information from them (eg contact details) and also some fascinating info about a cock-up on the 2004 Soldier model!!
 
Victorinox Battle Series  (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Swiss+Alliances+and+Battle+Series)
   OK – I have saved the best till last! 
These are probably my favourite models Victorinox made. All the pages were in a very bad state, with poor formatting and pictures missing. Our wonderful MT.o member Chako has supplied all the missing pictures for the model pages (thankfully I got them before Photofbucket trashed his account). And we have also used his fabulous pictures on a completely remodeled family page. This is the link on the left. I know that everyone is not always happy with the work I do – So I have left the St. Jakob page as it was so you can see the improvements - and hopefully agree that these changes are good.   
 
 Victorinox Damascus Series (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Damascus+Limited+Editions)
   Another fantastic series from Victorinox. Nick4 has done a fabulous job designing and adding images to this page, we have also added an amazing Damascus family image from a Facebook colleague from Chile - KiMany Fuentes
 
 Wenger United Woods Series (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+United+Woods+-+2013+Limited+Edition) 
   We must not forget Wenger either. These are my favourite Wenger models. This page was also totally trashed. I think it might have been work in progress that was never finished. Anyway it looks great now.



Maybe visiting all these pages is not necessary but I would urge you all to visit the last three pages, via the hotlinks in the table above - as they really are great     :cheers: 

Note: There has been so much going on that I am sure I have forgotten some of the pages that have had big updates - And apologies to those editors if I have not included your pages

However a massive thanks to all the editors who have contributed to these and all the other updated pages

PS. You can always check on the latest Wiki updates from the Wiki main page top left hand menu box via this path:
Menu > Wiki > List Pages
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-listpages.php?find=&findfilter_orphan=&maxRecords=100&offset=0
And you can always check updates to individual pages via the History button - All our editors note the changes that they made here.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on December 20, 2019, 07:12:01 AM
Thanks for the shout out! :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on December 20, 2019, 09:28:57 AM
Thanks for the shout out! :cheers:
:iagree: Thank you very much, Sir Huntsman!  :hatsoff:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on December 20, 2019, 09:54:59 AM
Thanks Huntsman, glad that I could help  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 20, 2019, 11:21:32 PM
VSAKCS
   This page had several missing images and jaya_man and  LeaF have found all of the missing images for us. ......... . (2019 model will be added shortly).

Yay sorted - Thanks mate
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on December 23, 2019, 12:50:34 PM
Great work everyone! I'm waiting for official reference numbers for 2020 Classic LEs to update the chart (with collection names too).

Also, if anyone's interested, I can provide info for missing Victorinox Lumberjack Big page. I can upload a photo too (yes, I own a knife) but my knife has a bit worn shield. I've seen someone in the forum having BNIB one, just can't remember who.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on December 28, 2019, 10:15:54 AM
Just a heads up, routine security update of the tikiwiki software seems to have gone sideways yesterday.

Looks like there's some heavy corruption in the database, and it has been both problematic to upgrade or roll back.

I am working on it, but have other IRL commitments interfering in between.

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Serena on December 28, 2019, 10:31:09 AM
Just a heads up, routine security update of the tikiwiki software seems to have gone sideways yesterday.

Looks like there's some heavy corruption in the database, and it has been both problematic to upgrade or roll back.

I am working on it, but have other IRL commitments interfering in between.
Ah, got it.
Tried to look something up yesterday, but the site is unreachable. Too bad!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on December 28, 2019, 07:12:26 PM
I'm afraid it may have reached the point we've been dreading.

I haven't been able to properly roll back, or restore the DB without it barfing, and even trying to upgrade to latest is not happy, it overloads the server.

going to try locally with some extra grunt to see if it will behave.

Regardless, I think it's closing in on that time where we need to replace it.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on December 28, 2019, 08:24:34 PM
I think it's successfully rolled back.

Please check and let me know.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 28, 2019, 11:17:13 PM
Thanks Whoey

Really appreciate all your work looking after the Wiki

I usually keep an eye on the latest updates and I checked the last update I made which was on 23rd  Dec and it is there
I did not see any other updates over the last few days.
So looks like it rolled back OK.

The idea of a migration totallly frealks me out
Would we have to change all the formatting logic / commands?

Thanks again
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on December 28, 2019, 11:26:36 PM
Thanks!

And I'll better check here before pm-ing you next time :facepalm:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: CraftsmanSAK on December 28, 2019, 11:49:27 PM
If we find a model not listed and would like to add it to the SAKWiki, do we drop you a line or....?
(recently just posted a model 56383 Climber in the Climber club forum I was hoping to add and I may have a few other models in my collection to add to the wiki)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 29, 2019, 12:07:14 AM
Thanks CSAK

Posting here is fine - One of the editors will pick it up
(We won't usually pick up comments in other threads)
Or you could request to become and editor yourself - by PMing enki_ch

I think what you found is not a new model - It is a regular black scaled Climber ..... Or am I missing something ?
However that particular US model number is missing from the wiki - So I added it  - with what I hope is an appropriate comment

Please check it out

Thanks

PS. There is an update coming on the model numbering/Identifiers section in the next week or so!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: CraftsmanSAK on December 29, 2019, 12:12:47 AM
Awesome... thanks for the quick response.  There wasn't anything special about the model, just hoping to add to the wiki.  Your comment on the part number being due to packaging may be spot on.  It was a clamshell instead of boxed, so that might be useful to know on a couple others I have that are the same. 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on January 08, 2020, 10:04:28 AM
I've just noticed a funny thing in the SAKWiki... In 91mm list asterix(*) marks contemporary models, while in 111mm list it marks discontinued/withdrawn ones. ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 08, 2020, 10:51:11 AM
True !!!
Has that confused you :pok:   :D.  :(
 - The text on each page is clear about the asterix
The reason for the difference is that the asterisks are fewer that way in both lists!
Ie the * marks the smallest group on each page
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on January 09, 2020, 04:07:23 PM
True !!!
Has that confused you :pok:   :D.  :(
 - The text on each page is clear about the asterix
The reason for the difference is that the asterisks are fewer that way in both lists!
Ie the * marks the smallest group on each page

It hasn't confused me, it's just my OCDEFGH...  :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on January 29, 2020, 07:57:25 AM
Hi everyone!
Is it possible to push a disc ISO on the wiki?
I do have dd the "Ueli Steck" DVD into an iso file (about 1.5GB)
It may be interesting for the archives?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on January 29, 2020, 10:36:05 AM
Is it possible to push a disc ISO on the wiki?
I do have dd the "Ueli Steck" DVD into an iso file (about 1.5GB)
It may be interesting for the archives?
Of course, that would be interesting. But what about the copyright? ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on January 29, 2020, 12:43:52 PM
Of course, that would be interesting. But what about the copyright? ;)

You are damn right..
I'll keep it on my own private archives as I already own the physical medium.
I don't wanna need to fight with copyright claims  :police:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on January 29, 2020, 12:54:12 PM
I don't wanna need to fight with copyright claims  :police:
Suppose, nobody wanna need. ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on January 29, 2020, 03:22:43 PM
I'll just leave this here so one of the editors could use and make a page. Attached photo is mine and you can use it in SAKWiki (the shield on my knife knife is slightly worn, I think I've seen a photo of a BNIB one with the box on the forum, just can't remember where and who posted it). Enjoy!  :cheers:
Lumberjack Big
The Lumberjack Big is 2 layer Victorinox model that includes the large blade, combo tool and woodsaw. It is enlarged version of 84mm Lumberjack with added corkscrew at the back. This model was not produced in large numbers and is fairly rare.
Discontinued and relatively rare.
Layer Tools
•   Large Knife Blade
•   Combo Tool - Can-opener/bottle-opener/Screwdriver/Wire stripper
•   Wood saw
Back Layer Tools
•   Corkscrew
•   Keyring/Split-ring attachment point
Scale Tools
•   None
Scales
Cellidor Economy, no toothpick or tweezers, with hot stamped silver Swiss shield logo
Variations
In 2007 SwissBianco made 20pcs of Lumberjack Big with plus scales and phillips instead of corkscrew.
History
Lumberjack Big is a collectors name for this model as it's unknown if an official name was ever given to it. This model was produced only in 1986 as 3.3311
Physical Specifications
•   Length: 91mm
•   Width: 15mm
•   Weight: 64.5g
Identifiers
•   3.3311 Red Cellidor with no toothpick or tweezers, hot-stamped 'Economy' shield.
Related Knives
•   Compact – Scissors instead of woodsaw, with Plus scales, which include the pin; adds the multipurpose hook
•   Camper - Similar features, one layer thicker. Combo tool is replaced by small blade, and separate openers; adds reamer.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on January 30, 2020, 10:50:55 AM
Hi everyone!
Is it possible to push a disc ISO on the wiki?
I do have dd the "Ueli Steck" DVD into an iso file (about 1.5GB)
It may be interesting for the archives?

We can add files, but only the admins have access to that upload. We mostly use it for catalogs though. Something as big as a DVD iso would be too much even if there was no copyright to fear. Server space and bandwidth cost money, lots of it, and we're short of funds as it is. :(
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on January 30, 2020, 10:59:30 AM
We can add files, but only the admins have access to that upload. We mostly use it for catalogs though. Something as big as a DVD iso would be too much even if there was no copyright to fear. Server space and bandwidth cost money, lots of it, and we're short of funds as it is. :(

Seems legit !
i'll try to scan the paper doc though ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on February 02, 2020, 07:29:30 PM
I'll just leave this here so one of the editors could use and make a page. Attached photo is mine and you can use it in SAKWiki (the shield on my knife knife is slightly worn, I think I've seen a photo of a BNIB one with the box on the forum, just can't remember where and who posted it). Enjoy!  :cheers:
Lumberjack Big
The Lumberjack Big is 2 layer Victorinox model that includes the large blade, combo tool and woodsaw. It is enlarged version of 84mm Lumberjack with added corkscrew at the back. This model was not produced in large numbers and is fairly rare.
Discontinued and relatively rare.
Layer Tools
•   Large Knife Blade
•   Combo Tool - Can-opener/bottle-opener/Screwdriver/Wire stripper
•   Wood saw
Back Layer Tools
•   Corkscrew
•   Keyring/Split-ring attachment point
Scale Tools
•   None
Scales
Cellidor Economy, no toothpick or tweezers, with hot stamped silver Swiss shield logo
Variations
In 2007 SwissBianco made 20pcs of Lumberjack Big with plus scales and phillips instead of corkscrew.
History
Lumberjack Big is a collectors name for this model as it's unknown if an official name was ever given to it. This model was produced only in 1986 as 3.3311
Physical Specifications
•   Length: 91mm
•   Width: 15mm
•   Weight: 64.5g
Identifiers
•   3.3311 Red Cellidor with no toothpick or tweezers, hot-stamped 'Economy' shield.
Related Knives
•   Compact – Scissors instead of woodsaw, with Plus scales, which include the pin; adds the multipurpose hook
•   Camper - Similar features, one layer thicker. Combo tool is replaced by small blade, and separate openers; adds reamer.

nice one !
I also have a 91mm 'Lumberjack', although it would need quite some cleaning !
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 07, 2020, 02:24:44 AM
The Great Gallery Reorganisation Project

Hello Playmates / Knights,

Welcome to another TL:DR post from your friendly Wiki editor  :D
This post will only be of interest to Wiki gallery/image users - Although Wiki editors please read!

Introduction
Who here uses (ie browses) the Wiki galleries?  ???  I know I did not.  :o  From time-to time I have to upload a picture and that was the only time I ever used them.
But here is an interesting statistic
- The galleries in the Wiki get over 600 hits per day and that is the hits to the galleries themselves - Not the hits to the images in the galleries - Which are counted separately.
Or put another way the 91mm main menu page has had about 350k hits, during the life of the Wiki, the 91mm gallery has had 225k hits - ie the galleries are browsed nearly as much as the main pages   
Interesting - eh?   :think:

Gallery Structure
The galleries are organised in a hierarchical family tree structure with four main roots: Victorinox, Victorinox Delemont, Wenger and SwissBuck.
The level below the roots are galleries for the various families of models according to their sizes (length)
The galleries are accessed via the small icons on the right of the size menu box - which is on the right hand side of a Wiki screen on your PC.
Any galleries contained in (ie below) a certain gallery are called sub-galleries. They always appear at the top of the page when viewing a gallery
A gallery page, when displayed contains sixty images!

The Problem / Reason for Change
Anyway, I was looking at the galleries and some were 3,4, or 5 pages long ie contain 180, 240 or 300 images. The Wenger 85mm gallery had 8 pages! Aaargh.  :o
In addition to this, all the images appeared to be in totally random order (more about that later) !
- For me this is unusable / unmanageable - So I decided something had to be done about it!    :pok:

New Sub-galleries
I set about creating new sub-galleries in all the main size galleries to contain groups of images.
To give you a simple example:
The 93mm images were all in one 93mm gallery (apart from the Black Beauty images - for some reason!!) - This gallery stretched over four pages.
So I created new Farmer, Soldier and Pioneer sub-galleries and moved the relevant images into those galleries
- So now the main gallery is just two pages long and is much more manageable.  :tu:
All-in-all, there are about fifty new sub-galleries and over 1,000 images have been moved!  :angel:
The creation of sub-galleries is always specific to the images in the parent gallery and which new groupings for sub-galleries made sense for that parent gallery
- Check out the galleries - You'll see what I mean
This move seems to have been successful as within a week or so of the move the new galleries had had about 2,000 hits - And now, for instance, the new 111mm sub-galleries alone have had over 2,600 hits!   :woohoo:

New Gallery Access Buttons and New High Level Galleries
Four brand new gallery access buttons have been created - two each for Vic and Wenger - These are for the Series / Catalogues   and the Tools / Tangs galleries.
They can be found in the logical spot on the right-hand menu.
Several new Series sub-galleries have also been created.
I was never sure why we did not have these access points to the galleries in the first place :pok:
- So am very happy with that change.   :D

New Image Sequence in the Galleries
I was looking at two new sub-galleries I had created which really should have been next to each other on the screen and they were not. This was irritating!!   :rant:
So I dug into the gallery configuration options and made an amazing discovery........
There are options to set the sequencing of the gallery images - This was set to creation date sequence order.
Ie All the images in the galleries are sequenced by the date they were created - Which, of course, with multiple editors over many years, means the images are in random order.
But guess what? - They can be in alphabetical order, which makes much more sense!!
So now all the images in the galleries are in alpha order -  :woohoo: 
- Why they were not like this in the first place is also a mystery!
  :pok:

New Image Naming
Well everything in the gallery is now in alpha order - But how did this sequencing work out?
Think about an image of a Pioneer:- It could be named Red Alox Pioneer, Pioneer Red Alox, Victorinox Pioneer - Alox - red etc etc - and of course depending on the name it would be in a totally different place in the list.
To be honest we were quite lucky on this - As most images are named Brand Model Feature  or Model Feature - So it did not work out too badly  :salute:
However I did rename a few hundred images to fit into the alpha list better

Image Naming Convention
Editors Please Note: - When uploading new images please follow this naming convention:
Brand Model - Feature   eg Victorinox Pioneer - Red Alox
Or, if appropriate...
Follow the naming convention of that particular sub-gallery which may have its own naming convention - eg all VSAKCs images are prefixed with VSACKS YYYY

New Gallery Naming Convention
This is more relevant to the editors
I have created a new gallery naming convention and renamed pretty much all the galleries!! Hopefully this is logical
- eg All Wenger series galleries are all prefixed 'Wenger Series...' eg Wenger Series - United Woods and all size sub-galleries are pre-fixed with 'Brand - Size - .... ' eg V - 84mm - Cadets
 
Effect on the Wiki pages
You will be pleased to hear that all this renaming re-ordering etc etc has absolutely no effect on the Wiki pages  :tu:
- As the Wiki pages all work off gallery and image numeric identifiers - Which have not changed!! 

Project for another day
As I mentioned the image sequencing is now not bad in every gallery
- A project for another day might be to go through all the galleries to ensure that they all follow the naming convention above.  :facepalm:

Instructions for editors uploading images
When uploading images please all make sure you load the images to the correct (new) gallery or sub-gallery.
I would suggest this sequence:
Of course in all instances follow the naming convention above


Wrap Up
I hope, and certainly believe that, these changes will make the galleries much more user friendly for our Wiki users !!
As I mentioned above rather than reading all this waffle...
- Check out the galleries - You'll see how it all works / looks
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: BClogic on February 07, 2020, 03:46:55 AM
if its only SAKwiki we are talking about hits on.....I know some of those 600 hits may have been me 1-5 times per day in the past few months :facepalm: :rofl:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 07, 2020, 04:02:47 AM
In for the updates...took some errors and digging to figure out the image gallery structure.
Hope the above helps KK
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on February 07, 2020, 05:16:19 PM
You've been busy, ha? :ahhh

Good job on the reorganisation :tu:

Did you also move the parent gallery out of the file galleries? Or are we leaving that to Whoey?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on February 07, 2020, 08:45:08 PM
 :like: Great job, Sir Huntsman!  :tu: :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on February 07, 2020, 09:00:21 PM
Good job!!

I seem to have been slacking lately :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: comis on February 09, 2020, 12:03:41 PM
With great help from Huntsman and enki_ck :cheers: , the page for Chinese Zodiac Series 58mm (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+58mm+Chinese+Zodiac+Series) is up, also added info to Classic (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Classic) page for reference.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on February 09, 2020, 08:57:17 PM
 
We can add files, but only the admins have access to that upload. We mostly use it for catalogs though. Something as big as a DVD iso would be too much even if there was no copyright to fear. Server space and bandwidth cost money, lots of it, and we're short of funds as it is. :(

Seems legit !
i'll try to scan the paper doc though ;)

I did take the time to scan the paper leaflet (as pdf), do you want it ?
it is 3.7MB
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 10, 2020, 02:54:56 AM
^^^  Sure - That's really kind of you - Thank you - PM coming

@Comis - Thanks so much for this - Fantastic addition to the Wiki - I never even knew about those
The series is a very nice companion for the 91mm series - And great designs

@enki, Nick4, Mechanickal  - Thanks lads - I think/hope it's a big improvement

@enki - PM inbound re file galleries 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: xfile on February 13, 2020, 01:20:24 PM
Now there's a question that confuses me,I found a 58mm SAK recently。But I don't know its model. I've never seen any SAK like it,Obviously, it must have been customized by a Swiss food company。I want to include it in SAKWiki, but I don't know if I should create a page for it, or if it should belong to a certain model.If I didn't express my meaning clearly, please forgive my translation software, thank you!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on February 13, 2020, 04:22:49 PM
Now there's a question that confuses me,I found a 58mm SAK recently。But I don't know its model. I've never seen any SAK like it




I've asked Victorinox about this 'unusual' model (and several ones by the way) few months before.
Accordingly to their answer:
Quote
This was a special production for a customer in 2017. At this is really a special production, the knife does not have an article number. The knife has got a blade with a round tip and it includes also a little fork.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Aloha on February 13, 2020, 05:22:47 PM
 :hatsoff: to all of you hard working SAKWIKI peeps.  Its one heck of a project/labor of love.  Round of cheers to you all.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 13, 2020, 09:44:14 PM
Thanks Aloha - I'll have a Becks please   ;)

Re the 58mm - Very interesting
I don't think it should have its own page - especially as it is a custom with no model number.
But if we add it as a variation where do we put it ?  - It's such an unusual configuration.

The 'little fork' (Thanks LeaF  :tu: ) for sure has been known as the divot tool from the golf models .....
Variation of the Caddy?   ???   But that blade is very unusual ... and no scissors!

It's surprising, for me, that they even made it - As it must have required new tooling in the factory
- Has anyone seen a rounded 58mm blade before?    :think:

Or maybe we create a new page (by length) for all custom builds we find

Thoughts   :pok:

Anyway thanks very much xfile and LeaF for the info on this
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: xfile on February 14, 2020, 03:19:27 AM

I've asked Victorinox about this 'unusual' model (and several ones by the way) few months before.
Accordingly to their answer:
Thank you very much, Leaf!I learned new knowledge, but I don't understand the meaning of customization. 58mm round head knife is the first time I saw it. I don't know what work it will be used for. Anyway, the combination of round head blade and golf tool is really strange.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: xfile on February 14, 2020, 04:14:07 AM
Thanks Aloha - I'll have a Becks please   ;)

Re the 58mm - Very interesting
I don't think it should have its own page - especially as it is a custom with no model number.
But if we add it as a variation where do we put it ?  - It's such an unusual configuration.

The 'little fork' (Thanks LeaF  :tu: ) for sure has been known as the divot tool from the golf models .....
Variation of the Caddy?   ???   But that blade is very unusual ... and no scissors!

It's surprising, for me, that they even made it - As it must have required new tooling in the factory
- Has anyone seen a rounded 58mm blade before?    :think:

Or maybe we create a new page (by length) for all custom builds we find

Thoughts   :pok:

Anyway thanks very much xfile and LeaF for the info on this
OK, I wonder if this SAK should be included in the Escort model,I think they are similar in terms of thickness and form.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ike582 on February 15, 2020, 07:57:53 AM

It's surprising, for me, that they even made it - As it must have required new tooling in the factory
- Has anyone seen a rounded 58mm blade before?    :think:


That blade reminds me of the Victorinox Duke of Edinburgh Pocket Tool.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: ddogu on February 15, 2020, 09:18:35 AM
Thanks Aloha - I'll have a Becks please   ;)

Re the 58mm - Very interesting
I don't think it should have its own page - especially as it is a custom with no model number.
But if we add it as a variation where do we put it ?  - It's such an unusual configuration.

The 'little fork' (Thanks LeaF  :tu: ) for sure has been known as the divot tool from the golf models .....


The divot tool in the golf models seem to have a much wider fork, not the same tool: :think:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0726/6553/products/Victorinox_Golf_Tools_red_open_new.jpg?v=1523081698)


So that little fork probably has been developed for this special customer only?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on February 15, 2020, 09:33:02 AM
Divot tools also was available within other form-factors, including 91 and 58mm models as well


https://leaf-vics.com/topics/tools/other-tools/tool-divot-tool
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: ddogu on February 15, 2020, 10:20:45 AM
Divot tools also was available within other form-factors, including 91 and 58mm models as well


https://leaf-vics.com/topics/tools/other-tools/tool-divot-tool

oh...  :o  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: FiL Wisneski on February 15, 2020, 02:57:34 PM
I was wondering today whether the 84mm and 91mm combo tools were identical, and the combo tool page (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Combo+Tool) on wiki gives conflicting accounts.
 see bolded text below:

84/91mm Combo Tool- This tool typically replaces the Cap Lifter and Can Opener tools on some knives. The tool incorporates a flat head screwdriver, can opener, cap-lifter (bottle opener), and wire stripper. This tool is noticeably thinner than its Can Opener and Cap Lifter cousins, measuring only 1.44mm in width at the tang. The tool is identical on both 84 and 91mm knives. The earliest versions of the tool did not have a "Half-Stop" to allow the tool to catch for use in the 90 degree position. The tool was officially introduced in 1982 [this date is in question, 1980 seems closer] on 84mm models, and in 1986 on 91mm models. While they look very similar, the 84mm and 91mm combo tools are not the exactly the same. However, an 84mm combo tool will fit in a 91mm SAK, although it sits a little low in the frame, and will need to be drilled out to fit the larger pins.

  - FiL


Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Sawl Goodman on February 16, 2020, 01:51:44 AM
I'll just leave this here so one of the editors could use and make a page. Attached photo is mine and you can use it in SAKWiki (the shield on my knife knife is slightly worn, I think I've seen a photo of a BNIB one with the box on the forum, just can't remember where and who posted it). Enjoy!  :cheers:
Lumberjack Big
The Lumberjack Big is 2 layer Victorinox model that includes the large blade, combo tool and woodsaw. It is enlarged version of 84mm Lumberjack with added corkscrew at the back. This model was not produced in large numbers and is fairly rare.
Discontinued and relatively rare.
Layer Tools
•   Large Knife Blade
•   Combo Tool - Can-opener/bottle-opener/Screwdriver/Wire stripper
•   Wood saw
Back Layer Tools
•   Corkscrew
•   Keyring/Split-ring attachment point
Scale Tools
•   None
Scales
Cellidor Economy, no toothpick or tweezers, with hot stamped silver Swiss shield logo
Variations
In 2007 SwissBianco made 20pcs of Lumberjack Big with plus scales and phillips instead of corkscrew.
History
Lumberjack Big is a collectors name for this model as it's unknown if an official name was ever given to it. This model was produced only in 1986 as 3.3311
Physical Specifications
•   Length: 91mm
•   Width: 15mm
•   Weight: 64.5g
Identifiers
•   3.3311 Red Cellidor with no toothpick or tweezers, hot-stamped 'Economy' shield.
Related Knives
•   Compact – Scissors instead of woodsaw, with Plus scales, which include the pin; adds the multipurpose hook
•   Camper - Similar features, one layer thicker. Combo tool is replaced by small blade, and separate openers; adds reamer.

Nicely written. Under related knives I’d add the 85 mm Wenger Basic 66 - it has the same toolset.

Attn: wiki editors. I see an entry hasn’t been made for the Lumberjack Big/91 mm yet - why not?  :pok:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on February 16, 2020, 07:58:02 AM
Huntsman: I see several pages with missing images. I thought your changes regarding the gallery structure would have no effect on wiki pages.

(https://i.imgflip.com/3pcu8t.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on February 16, 2020, 08:07:37 AM
Probably some other reason. But all links are dead.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on February 16, 2020, 08:27:13 AM
Probably some other reason. But all links are dead.

Yup, all links, all images, all galleries, .... It's been like that since yeaterday. I didn't do it si I don't know where to start fixing it, and I haven't gotten any reply to it backstage so I wait. Blindly flipping switches before knowing what happened might make things worse, not better.

In any case, the pics are still there, i found multiple copies of them, we probably just don't have permissions to see them, not even admins. If it's a really big booboo, we can roll back to an older version.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on February 16, 2020, 08:58:15 AM
Image galleries have been deprecated for a while. Maybe show_image.php simply does not exist anymore :think:

Also, browsing the file galleries results in all kinds of errors.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on February 16, 2020, 09:58:30 AM
All fixed now. If you encounter any more errors, please report them to some of the staff. :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on February 16, 2020, 10:12:04 AM
Not for me though.
Let me know if I can be of any help.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on February 16, 2020, 10:13:40 AM
Yes, fixed, needed to clear the cache.

Now what was it? :pok:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on February 16, 2020, 10:51:44 AM
Lumberjack Big page created, thanks  NeleDo. :hatsoff:

If you see a gap in the wiki or want to have a page created but don't know how, just follow NeleDos example and post it here or email as text. We'll get to it sooner or later :whistle:

https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Lumberjack+Big



...

Attn: wiki editors. I see an entry hasn’t been made for the Lumberjack Big/91 mm yet - why not?  :pok:

Honestly, I thought it was, with so many editors, it usually comes to a job overlap and everybody thinks the others will do it. :facepalm: All fixed now :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on February 16, 2020, 10:53:47 AM
Yes, fixed, needed to clear the cache.

Now what was it? :pok:

Yup, a CTRL + F5 will do the trick.

Micah was trying to fix the accidental picture gallery move that Huntsman did a while back and flipped the wrong switch. We'll leave that one for a future moment when we have more time to approach it properly.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 16, 2020, 11:29:43 AM
Huntsman: I see several pages with missing images. I thought your changes regarding the gallery structure would have no effect on wiki pages.
They  didn't ..... All that gallery work was done months ago - It was just written up a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 16, 2020, 11:56:57 AM
Attn: wiki editors. I see an entry hasn't been made for the Lumberjack Big/91 mm yet - why not? :pok:

This .....
Honestly, I thought it was, with so many editors, it usually comes to a job overlap and everybody thinks the others will do it. All fixed now

And because we have other Wiki (and MT.o) work to do (there is a long backlog); have real lives; other priorities; and don't jump onto every Wiki request instantly.  :pok:

But we do try and get round to everything that is requested in the fullness of time. :tu:

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ike582 on February 16, 2020, 05:17:01 PM
Yes, fixed, needed to clear the cache.

Now what was it? :pok:

Images in SAKWiki are still now showing for me.  Anything I need to do on my end? (I'm on a MacBook)
Thanks
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ike582 on February 16, 2020, 05:26:07 PM
Images in SAKWiki are still now showing for me.  Anything I need to do on my end? (I'm on a MacBook)
Thanks

Ignore that, now fixed by clearing my Safari cache.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Sawl Goodman on February 17, 2020, 08:20:42 AM
This .....
And because we have other Wiki (and MT.o) work to do (there is a long backlog); have real lives; other priorities; and don't jump onto every Wiki request instantly.  :pok:

But we do try and get round to everything that is requested in the fullness of time. :tu:

Fair call! Sorry to come over all impatient and demanding. The Wiki is an incredible resource that I'm always learning from and appreciate greatly. Thank you for your hard work! :salute:

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 17, 2020, 09:52:23 AM
Thanks for that response    :tu:    and glad you find the Wiki useful    8)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on February 17, 2020, 08:15:01 PM
Recent image outage is my bad, I toggled the wrong thing, there are too many things... :ahhh

Sorry...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Rapidray on February 17, 2020, 10:06:56 PM
Recent image outage is my bad, I toggled the wrong thing, there are too many things... :ahhh

Sorry...
It happens even to the best of us!  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 18, 2020, 12:53:47 AM
 :iagree: No worries, Whoey! Thanks for all the work you do!  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on February 18, 2020, 08:17:17 AM
:iagree: No worries, Whoey! Thanks for all the work you do!  :tu:

:iagree:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on February 18, 2020, 10:24:17 AM
Never.press.the red.button!! :ahhh
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on February 18, 2020, 10:45:43 AM
Just now tried to upload some pictures (image identifiers are 4195 and 4196) in the SAKWiki gallery, but got an error message (it's seems me, the records in the gallery database were created, but the images not really were uploaded).  :dunno:
I am sorry...  :twak:

 :oops: Could anybody of Admins remove these empty records, please?  :(
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on February 18, 2020, 08:37:10 PM
I'm out at the moment, maybe some maintenance routines when I get a minute.

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on February 18, 2020, 08:56:29 PM
I'm out at the moment, maybe some maintenance routines when I get a minute.
Thank you very much!  :hatsoff:
There is no rush anyway.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: xfile on February 26, 2020, 02:35:13 PM
I would like to know why there is no Victorinox 1986-1988 and 1994-2000 catalog on SAKWiki? Are they not found? Who can solve my confusion? Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on February 26, 2020, 06:39:46 PM
I would like to know why there is no Victorinox 1986-1988 and 1994-2000 catalog on SAKWiki? Are they not found? Who can solve my confusion? Thank you very much.
I have in my local collection some catalogs / pictures marked as 1996, 1998 and 2000.
Pm me if interested
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: xfile on February 27, 2020, 01:21:10 AM
I have in my local collection some catalogs / pictures marked as 1996, 1998 and 2000.
Pm me if interested
Thank you very much. I've already PM you。 :climber:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on February 27, 2020, 04:11:33 PM

To whom it may concern :)
please check here: https://leaf-vics.com/victorinox-catalogs
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on February 27, 2020, 06:17:18 PM
To whom it may concern :)


Valtteri Bottas :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on February 28, 2020, 12:08:34 AM
Lumberjack Big page created, thanks  NeleDo. :hatsoff:

Looks great!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on March 11, 2020, 12:28:38 AM
Here's some more info on Victorinox Hunter Pro series I've found that editors can use to update the page.  :cheers:

Hunter Pro 130mm/136mm
History/Release dates:
April 2013 Hunter Pro black
September 2014 Hunter Pro orange
September 2015 Hunter Pro Wood (walnut handles)
September 2018 Hunter Pro M Alox (silver alox, OH blade, lanyard hole and smart clip)
January 2019 Hunter Pro Alox (red alox, two hand opening blade, lanyard hole and smart clip)
January 2019 Hunter Pro Wood (walnut handles, two hand opening blade, lanyard hole)
Also, in January 2019 first three versions of Hunter Pro released 2013-2015 (black, orange and Wood) were replaced with suitable Hunter Pro M versions (same knives but have spring integrated lanyard hole added). Naming and numbering also changed (M is added both in names and model numbers for models with OH blade).
Physical Specifications:
Length: 130mm Initial models (discontinued since January 2019), 136mm new models (with spring integrated lanyard)
Identifiers:
Initial models, 130mm:
0.9410.3 Victorinox AN: Hunter Pro, Black DD handles
0.9410.9 Victorinox AN: Hunter Pro, Orange DD handles
0.9410.63 Victorinox AN: Hunter Pro Wood, Walnut handles
New models, 136mm:
0.9415.26 Victorinox AN: Hunter Pro M Alox, Silver ribbed alox handles, one hand opening blade, spring integrated lanyard hole and smart clip
0.9415.20 Victorinox AN: Hunter Pro Alox, Red ribbed alox handles, two hand opening blade, spring integrated lanyard hole and smart clip
0.9411.63 Victorinox AN: Hunter Pro Wood, Walnut handles, two hand opening blade, spring integrated lanyard hole
0.9411.M3 Victorinox AN: Hunter Pro M, Black DD handles, one hand opening blade, spring integrated lanyard hole
0.9411.M9 Victorinox AN: Hunter Pro M, Orange DD handles, one hand opening blade, spring integrated lanyard hole
0.9411.M63 Victorinox AN: Hunter Pro M Wood, Walnut handles, one hand opening blade, spring integrated lanyard hole
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 11, 2020, 05:09:51 AM
Thanks for this Nele - All done - Not quite as you prescribed - Just some minor variations!!

That's a pretty major revision - And I think it looks great!!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on March 11, 2020, 09:37:48 AM
Thanks for this Nele - All done - Not quite as you prescribed - Just some minor variations!!

That's a pretty major revision - And I think it looks great!!

Great? It's stunning!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 11, 2020, 12:11:20 PM
Ah thanks mate - or should I say boet ;)  - It's all down to your input and prompting   :salute:

I had forgotten about the sheath - So it's in there now.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on March 11, 2020, 01:34:37 PM
Thanks for this Nele
Yes!  :like:
Great? It's stunning!  :cheers:
:iagree:  :tu:

NeleDo, Huntsman
Sirs, thank you very much for your great job!  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on March 11, 2020, 04:34:26 PM
Yes!  :like:  :iagree:  :tu:

NeleDo, Huntsman
Sirs, thank you very much for your great job!  :hatsoff:

Sir, you're most welcome.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on March 17, 2020, 03:45:51 PM
Was just looking at the ‘Artisan’ page  ???
I’m not sure what all the fuss is about the Craftsman naming. There’s PROOF that it was. And only very thin hints that it was ever named Artisan.

Please explain the issue.  :pok:

And the ‘in certain markets’ aside comments  :twak:

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on March 17, 2020, 09:23:40 PM
It's a unique toolset.
Giving it a "Craftsman" name would make things even more complicated thant they already are. No?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on March 18, 2020, 12:31:52 AM
It's a unique toolset.
Giving it a "Craftsman" name would make things even more complicated thant they already are. No?

No. Revisionist history is more complicated.


Seriously, show me ONE catalog cut from ANY market that shows a 136ka with an ARTISAN label.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on March 18, 2020, 06:57:02 AM
I'm not trying to point out to catalog names.

Victorinox has made a mess of names and model numbers in the past.
Some knives didn't even get a name or got a recycled one.

If we have to follow Victorinox' way of naming, we'd have to remove all pages, use model numbers exclusively and add the names under those model numbers that Victorinox once used for them.

I'm not questioning you being right here, because I know you are.
But it's not a matter of being right but rather of keeping the information accessible and understandable.

If that means a certain knife gets a name that might not have been used in a catalog, so be it :shrug:
Same thing for the Alumnus by the way.

So I understand your reasoning and I agree with what you are saying, but I also hope you understand that the Wiki needs to be clear and accessible to everyone ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on March 19, 2020, 04:25:58 PM
Nick- go look at the edit history. I’m not talking about the page name. I’ve already agreed it has to stay.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on March 19, 2020, 04:26:46 PM
Will do! I must have misunderstood somewhere then...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 24, 2020, 02:22:21 PM
Was just looking at the ‘Artisan’ page  ???
I’m not sure what all the fuss is about the Craftsman naming. There’s PROOF that it was. And only very thin hints that it was ever named Artisan.
Please explain the issue.  :pok:
And the ‘in certain markets’ aside comments  :twak:

Hi KK,

Thanks for you input and comments

I don’t understand what you mean by “all the fuss is about” - What fuss? - And for me, there are no issues (to explain), although I think you seem to have some issues with the page!

However, I can explain the updates I made – I’ll just concentrate on the updates relating to name, as these seem to be the ones to which you are objecting.
As I think you know artisan is French for craftsman. So, for instance, are you sure that this model was called the Craftsman in France (a country notorious for resisting English words)? or even Switzerland? which is 25% French speaking, the rest being predominantly German speaking, or even the UK? 

We know that Vic names were not standardised (to English), and across the globe, until the mid-70s – And that the Craftsman name was used for the 91mm model from that time. And, for sure, we did not have the global economy, or even such pervasiveness of English, at that time, or prior to that.

We also know that the 4-layer 84mm model was called the Artisan in some markets. This is from catalogues and knife boxes, the Wiki page mentions this and there are some threads in MT.o about it too.

All this is nicely explained in the Artisan page - top and History sections, and some of it is also mentioned in the Craftsman page.

So, I think the page looks good and explains what we know for sure quite well.
And the phrase to which you are objecting - if I understand you correctly - is in brackets and with a question mark - So hardly explicit or directive.

I hope that makes sense and addresses your concerns and issues.

If you or anyone else knows any more or different than this, or has suggestions to improve the page - Please chip in   

What might be nice - Is to include your pic of all the Craftsmen from the Craftsman Love thread - in the Craftsmen pages - Can I do that?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on March 24, 2020, 07:13:45 PM
That’s a ‘No’ for use on the old posted pictures. I was getting back to this page to see what I would include and re-shoot.



Quote
We also know that the 4-layer 84mm model was called the Artisan in some markets. This is from catalogues and knife boxes, the Wiki page mentions this and there are some threads in MT.o about it too.

Actually I’ve seen ZERO proof on this note. AFAIK, the Artisan labels were only used on the 6 layer models and for BOTH Craftsman and Handyman models. And the comment about the ‘76 US Dealer catalog is wrong, if you take the time to look for yourself.

From what I can tell, boxes left Ibach with the English stamped versions. Some with both the English name and number code. Sure, they were likely for the US market, but not sure what the Smurf your point is with the ‘in certain markets’ comment.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on March 24, 2020, 07:35:01 PM

I don’t understand what you mean by “all the fuss is about” - What fuss? - And for me, there are no issues (to explain), although I think you seem to have some issues with the page!


Yes, as I’ve said before, I DO think the page still needs fixing.

By ‘fuss’, I mean I don’t really understand why you’ve felt the need to edit what I put in there. Despite your explanations above, those comments are just your opinions on the matter and everything I posted is based on fact.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on March 24, 2020, 08:33:53 PM
When the foul language filter has to step in, then you're using the wrong kind of arguments :whistle:

Boys, I think it would be best to take this discussuon to PMs where you can agree or agree to disagree.

As for the wiki ... when ICFT and I were doing most of the work, we also had differences of opinions like you guys have. So we decided to split the work. He got Vic, I got Wenger. That's why you see me mostly in those pages. Find a way to split work so you don't step on each others toes
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on March 24, 2020, 09:09:56 PM
 :dunno: I manually typed ‘smurf’. Is that not allowed?

I think that’s not a bad suggestion about the split. Calling dibs on everything that’s a 136x variant.  ;) :D :pok:

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on March 24, 2020, 09:10:34 PM
Can't really add anything more useful than what Enki just said.

I've seen my own written texts being altered to something I didn't think of.
In the first instance, it feels... A bit shocking. After reading it through though, I could only admit it turned out better.

Different opinions and personalities tend to crash sometimes, but that doesn't mean an entire battle has to be started over it.


So take a deep breath, take a step back and look at this from a distance...

Is this really worth the tension and harsh discussion??
It's SAKwiki ... Made by people way more knowledgeable than me. I don't know alot about the history of SAKs, and the things I do know have been picked up from there.

But let's make one thing clear:
What a single individual has or has not seen does not make it a fact or a lie.
Please, just listen to each other and try to LEARN from each other instead of trying to figure out who is right. Maybe you both are, maybe none of you are.

But that's for you guys to figure out :D

:hug:
Keep the family together guys!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on March 24, 2020, 10:11:02 PM
 :facepalm:

Just found this on the Master Craftsman Small page.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on March 24, 2020, 10:24:45 PM
I've seen my own written texts being altered to something I didn't think of.
In the first instance, it feels... A bit shocking. After reading it through though, I could only admit it turned out better.
So you won’t mind when I go over the Phillips comments?

There’s actually a lot to expand on just for that tool alone. It’s changed a lot more than previously described. Machined angle of the file face, cut of the file itself, and the rest of the running changes from forged to surface polish.

There are lots of changes to make, and I’d post them here when it’s done.



Different opinions and personalities tend to crash sometimes, but that doesn't mean an entire battle has to be started over it.


So take a deep breath, take a step back and look at this from a distance...

Is this really worth the tension and harsh discussion??
It's SAKwiki ... Made by people way more knowledgeable than me. I don't know alot about the history of SAKs, and the things I do know have been picked up from there.

But let's make one thing clear:
What a single individual has or has not seen does not make it a fact or a lie.
Please, just listen to each other and try to LEARN from each other instead of trying to figure out who is right. Maybe you both are, maybe none of you are.

But that's for you guys to figure out :D

:hug:
Keep the family together guys!

I hardly understand when somebody says “I have nothing to add”...then proceed to add a lot.   ;)

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on March 25, 2020, 08:09:26 AM
Lol. I thought that too after I posted that :rofl:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: pfrsantos on March 27, 2020, 05:27:09 PM
(https://scienceblogs.com/files/startswithabang/files/2011/09/duty_calls.png)

 :whistle:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 28, 2020, 03:37:54 PM
Just found this on the Master Craftsman Small page.   :facepalm:

Hi Folks
Seeing as our good friend PFR's life is on hold due to a mistake in the Internet, and this latest and new criticism from KK has been made in the public forum, I will respond here, to set the record straight.
Other comments I may respond to via PM as kindly and sensibly suggested by enki.

So the most important thing is fellow Knights:
– Worry not - The Internet is correct. Well at least SAKWiki is !     :salute:    :tu:

If you look at the Wiki page update related to this History comment - It says this:
The data in italics follows the Victorinox post-mid-70s numbering convention. So we know the product code will be exactly in this format and will have these values.

Previously this entry said x.xxxx – which is not helpful to Wiki users.

So this update is an accurate enhancement to the Wiki, and will even help Wiki users learn about Vic model numbering conventions.
So it was an educated and well-informed ‘guess’ ….. and in fact, not a guess at all !    :o

The info I put in the Wiki is all formal and factual (and often involves external research/verification), - or makes the Wiki more user friendly / standardises formatting.

The comments I put in the History are informal, and sometimes I make them light-hearted, or even funny, for instance in this case, hopefully to put a smile on fellow editors or Wiki users’ faces.  :D
I never, for one minute, imagined these comments would be used as ammunition against me!   ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: SirVicaLot on March 28, 2020, 10:02:33 PM
He guys, I was trying to register for the SAK wiki, but when I try to request a passcode, I get an error message: No route found.

Am I doing something wrong?  :think:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: zoidberg on March 28, 2020, 10:18:41 PM
He guys, I was trying to register for the SAK wiki, but when I try to request a passcode, I get an error message: No route found.

Am I doing something wrong?  :think:

I'll flick you a PM like asap...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: SirVicaLot on March 28, 2020, 11:04:53 PM
Worked! Thanks  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on March 30, 2020, 06:26:06 AM
(https://scienceblogs.com/files/startswithabang/files/2011/09/duty_calls.png)

 :whistle:
(https://scienceblogs.com/files/startswithabang/files/2011/09/duty_calls.png)

All anyone needs is to read the discussion on this between on pages 11-12 of this thread, especially the jazzbass post I quoted.

I did get an interesting PM. I can only agree to disagree.

And no, no more of my pictures are to be added to the Wiki at this time. That was an unusual request to make at this point.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on April 08, 2020, 11:33:28 AM
I added some more info in the HISTORY section on the RICHARTZ page (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Richartz)  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on April 09, 2020, 12:18:55 PM
The Richartz page will change the next couple of days, adding "Solingen Regulations" and different knives and multitools both from Richartz and Ricardo. :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on April 18, 2020, 09:44:35 PM
Dear members, admins and editors of the sakwiki.

We have a problem. We've been having it for a while now and with every new update something else breaks, wiki crashes, sometimes taking the whole forum down as it did about an hour ago. The problem is with the tikiwiki software. We have been talking on and off for years about transfering the wiki to one of the other wiki software options like the one wikipedia uses, but the pain of the move has halted us so far.

Regretfully, we'll have to bite the bullet and do the move. We'll need a lot of editors and working hours to do the  code clean up, link fixing, image reuploading, ... So expect an call to arms at a point in the not so distant future...

For now, I ask you not to do any more edits to the wiki, uploads or anything as the wiki database is very unstable and will just give us extra work once we do a move.

We'll probably lock the wiki in the state it is now to keep it as a reference point for all the users, make a parallel wiki and do a transfer there, clean up, fix up, and once it's representable and functional open up the new version to the public.

It will be a HUGE job, but with a few good men and women, I'm sure we can do it and have a nicer, cleaner, faster and most importantly, a stable wiki and forum.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: zoidberg on April 18, 2020, 09:59:22 PM
Brutal...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on April 18, 2020, 10:34:35 PM
 :megaslap:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on April 18, 2020, 10:52:58 PM
Oh my...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on April 18, 2020, 10:56:13 PM
I don't have a lot of free time, but if my help is needed then I will do my best to assist where possible.

Sounds like a huge job indeed :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on April 18, 2020, 11:32:25 PM
We first have to do some patch work to keep it in working condition for the time being and do the prep work with installing the new software, doing the move, reuploading everything, ...

Once we have the base work done, we'll make a tutorial for editors to do the code clean up, links checking and fixing, pics, everything.

Yup, it might take months till we can call it done. I know the last time we had to do the manual fixes of the TOC and some other code when I last recruited editors and how long that took. And this will be a much bigger project but it needs to be done.

It's not something we did, that we broke, it's been piling up with every update, and it now came to a point where it's time to say goodbye to the tikiwiki.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on April 19, 2020, 12:28:19 PM
I don't think we need to stop edits just yet, I need to line a lot of ducks up first... when the time comes, I will let you know.

It would however, be very helpful if the edits were planned/prepared before actually doing them on the wiki.

One of the big issues is the massive change logs which takes up 2/3 of the whole Sakwiki DB.

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: comis on April 19, 2020, 12:39:45 PM
We first have to do some patch work to keep it in working condition for the time being and do the prep work with installing the new software, doing the move, reuploading everything, ...

Once we have the base work done, we'll make a tutorial for editors to do the code clean up, links checking and fixing, pics, everything.

Yup, it might take months till we can call it done. I know the last time we had to do the manual fixes of the TOC and some other code when I last recruited editors and how long that took. And this will be a much bigger project but it needs to be done.

It's not something we did, that we broke, it's been piling up with every update, and it now came to a point where it's time to say goodbye to the tikiwiki.

Enki, though my coding knowledge is very limited, but given I could understand the new code instruction, I definitely would love to lend my hands to help with the move.  Meanwhile, I have planned a few new uploads, but I will wait a little before doing more upload to confuse things further.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on April 19, 2020, 01:22:28 PM
Yup, using preview instead of save to see how the page looks and how an edit went before saving it is the smart aproach.

But I'd still rather put in man hours into the move and clean up there than crossing the Is and dotting the Ts, formating the pages to make them look better on a platform we will be abandining for a more substanable one in now not so distant future. So people don't waste time for cosmetics that might not be visible in a few months time. If we can keep it for the time being, that's good, but we will need ti prep for the move sooner or later.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on April 19, 2020, 01:25:46 PM
Enki, though my coding knowledge is very limited, but given I could understand the new code instruction, I definitely would love to lend my hands to help with the move.  Meanwhile, I have planned a few new uploads, but I will wait a little before doing more upload to confuse things further.

We can do a To do thread to see what people have planned, post pages there in text format, leave pics or catalogs they'd like uploaded, ... So people don't forget or loose the infos and documents they have for the wiki
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on April 19, 2020, 02:58:57 PM
I will help where I can. :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on April 19, 2020, 07:49:06 PM
I don't think we need to stop edits just yet, I need to line a lot of ducks up first... when the time comes, I will let you know.

It would however, be very helpful if the edits were planned/prepared before actually doing them on the wiki.

One of the big issues is the massive change logs which takes up 2/3 of the whole Sakwiki DB.

Why not start new with the change logs and delete the old once or delete the logs older than a month.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on April 20, 2020, 01:17:30 AM
I knew it was coming - But I have been dreading this moment  :o

Re change logs if we are moving I guess we lose them anyway!

However I have seen that most pages have over 30 versions and some over 75 - And many version logs go right back to the start of the Wiki 10 years or so ago!
And wondered about all that history.

If we can keep them I would definitely keep for a year - As someone could make a mistake and it not be found for a long time - Also, at least once, we even had a malicious/spam attack on the Wiki 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on April 20, 2020, 07:42:09 AM
I don't have a lot of free time, but if my help is needed then I will do my best to assist where possible.
Count me too, please.

Sounds like a huge job indeed :)
:iagree:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mcfal12 on April 21, 2020, 04:25:49 AM
Have limited expertise with this type of effort. I’ve created some HTML pages in the last for my Paintball team, and that’s the extent of my experience, but I’m not afraid to get my hands dirty if you guys need help.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on April 21, 2020, 10:26:49 AM
Why not cleaning up the change log DB before the change this will make the transition more easy.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on April 21, 2020, 11:02:37 AM
Just a thought: we should seriously think about the (unwanted) effects of moving to a different wiki system. All links, both internal and external, may or will become invalid. Internal links could probably be fixed manually or maybe automagically with some clever scripting and querying, but external links pointing to SAKwiki pages are a different story. Redirecting old URLs to new URLs (and sending the proper 301 status response) may fix links in search engine result pages, but old links may still exists on external sites for ages.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on April 21, 2020, 06:29:32 PM
Oh trust me, we're aware of many of the implications a move will have, all things considered, this pretty much covers it:

here's what we're currently using:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71FHJU17djL._AC_SL1204_.jpg)

what we actually need:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/7150hZ3nJRL._AC_SL1200_.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on April 22, 2020, 10:37:58 AM
Ik, so Huntsman gets the job...
Point taken :(


:D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on April 22, 2020, 10:58:28 AM
Fieldmaster :P
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on April 22, 2020, 11:07:19 AM
Ik, so Huntsman gets the job...
Point taken :(
:D

Not sure I like the way this is going!!   :o
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on April 22, 2020, 11:17:03 AM
Fieldmaster
Nitpicker! :D

I do have to admit I missed the Philips driver... :facepalm:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on April 22, 2020, 11:41:31 AM
Nitpicker! :D

Victorinox Nitpicker? Never heard of such a model :think:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on April 22, 2020, 03:28:07 PM
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on April 22, 2020, 04:47:29 PM
Nitpicker - Isn't that the model with the Tick Tool   :pok:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on April 22, 2020, 04:48:10 PM
Probably closely related to the picknicker :shrug:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on April 22, 2020, 05:02:11 PM
Nitpicker - Isn't that the model with the Tick Tool   :pok:

I thought so too. I think it's Mechanickal's favorite SAK, right?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: nelsoncustomworks on April 22, 2020, 06:34:52 PM
Hello people. Im new inside this forum. I dont know how to shoot a private message. Im looking for something that was already posted here. A diagram or .ngc or .tap or a vector of the plus victorinox 91mm scales. as well i would like the 84mm also and wenger 85mm, since i am a sak modder. If anyone interested i can accept any help as well show you my works. best regards
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on April 22, 2020, 06:40:58 PM
Welcome!
The PM option will be available when you've made five posts. I think :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on April 22, 2020, 06:46:51 PM
Yes, Reinier made his first sensible post today.

5 posts and you're ready to PM. :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on April 22, 2020, 06:58:20 PM
 :twak:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on April 22, 2020, 07:45:04 PM
:hatsoff: to you guys for managing SAKwiki :cheers:

I’ll just go sit somewhere and do some coloring... :facepalm:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200422/d9d1eff42c6bdf876c653449516dc904.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on April 22, 2020, 07:49:01 PM
Hey a nail nick :P
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on April 22, 2020, 07:55:49 PM
That scissors layer...
Did Jaya fix it??


Lockdown is getting the best of him it seems :think:
Title: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on April 22, 2020, 08:03:02 PM
Yep I did... but was being nice and not sharing it in the original post...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on April 22, 2020, 08:07:13 PM
Mechanickal would not have been so nice. You are a gentleman Jaya :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on April 22, 2020, 08:10:43 PM
You seem to know me all too well :ahhh

It's getting scary...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on April 23, 2020, 06:38:05 AM
Yeah, over 1 month of quarantine got the best of me...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200423/f591f1f509bd1b0f5a347f8d04d069cf.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on April 23, 2020, 12:54:52 PM
Topo SAK with red tweezers...

I'd buy that :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on April 23, 2020, 01:21:16 PM
Me too. Although I'm not sure about the stonewashed tools.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on April 24, 2020, 03:56:08 AM
Are the topo contours actually of the Kleiner und Grosser Mythen - ie the mountains behind the Vic factory - Even cooler, and amazing if so
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on April 25, 2020, 02:07:03 PM
Got a topo file? And who knows, maybe we can submit it as a design by MTO :facepalm:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on April 25, 2020, 02:26:22 PM
If we were a Facebook page they'd do a run just for us ::)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: firstnamejames1 on May 25, 2020, 06:40:16 AM
I have a question about the swiss champ xl wiki page. The description says "It extends the already large tool selection of the eight layer SwissChamp by adding another three layers containing the spatula, electrician's blade/small pruner blade and the divot tool."

Does the XL have 11 layers? I've counted only 10.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on May 25, 2020, 08:25:28 AM
Hi Mate,

Thanks for the query - Good to know that people are thinking about these things
...... And you had me worried   :o

However - I have looked at the third image in the body of the text - the one with the box
- and going along the bottom (tweezers end) of the knife - from left (shield scale) to right - I do make it 11! 
Here we go:
1. Openers
2. Mag glass - Phillips
3. Pliers
4. Spatula
5. Divot tool - On its own
6. Fish Scaler
7. Wood Saw
8. Electrician's and pruner blades
9. Scissors
10. Metal File
11. Large and small blades   

Does that make sense?  ???

Do you have an XL  or are you getting one - They are quite rare!!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on June 09, 2020, 10:53:09 AM
For now, I ask you not to do any more edits to the wiki, uploads or anything as the wiki database is very unstable and will just give us extra work once we do a move.

I've been holding back on making edits, but I do see several changes that were made in the last couple of months. What is the current situation regarding editing and the move?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on June 09, 2020, 12:46:50 PM
Whoey is pretty busy right now - With travel and covid work recovery
So we can carry on for the time being - He/we will alert everyone when he's ready to do something - And we'll announce a freeze/move plan etc if necessary

As enki suggested - Maybe don't spend loads time on formatting which we might loose anyway - But new content is great

Although I am still doing some formatting edits as you will have seen!!

Thanks
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on June 09, 2020, 01:43:21 PM
Understood :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on June 20, 2020, 10:30:42 PM
go nuts, if it's working, keep at it, it's looking like I will not have any spare time soon to be working on any migration plans or testing.

and as mentioned, all content is welcome, just try not to get too carried away with formatting.

Seems like some recent maintenance did wonders... or am I the only one that noticed?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on July 19, 2020, 11:40:51 AM
I added new OPT's to the Richartz page.  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on July 19, 2020, 04:27:07 PM
I added a Ricardo picknick knife to the Richartz page. :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on July 19, 2020, 08:19:35 PM
6 Richartz knives and 1 Richartz multitool added to the Richartz page. :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on July 20, 2020, 12:12:09 AM
Thanks Ivo - Great stuff      :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on July 20, 2020, 09:27:46 AM
Thanks  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on July 27, 2020, 05:57:06 AM
Have any of you Knights ever wondered why the glass saw on the Rescue Tool is called the disc-saw?    :think:
It always seemed a really weird name to me!

I think I have asked the question here and also dug around on the internet - But never got a good answer.

So I did the obvious thing and went and asked Victorinox via a 'Contact Us' on their website.
Local guys were not sure, but suspected a translation error!!
So they checked with Ibach and this is the case - Wow - Probably an error that has been around/uncorrected for 10+ years  :o
They said the correct name of the tool should be "shatterproof glass saw"
I'll update the Wiki

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Frailer on July 27, 2020, 06:45:06 AM
Well done!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: TazzieRob on August 06, 2020, 02:24:33 AM
Was just looking in the Wiki and thought it would be super handy to have a link from the tools detail pages to the models that contain that tool.

For example, if I was trying to find all the models that have the metal saw/file, I could go to that tool page, and see the Ranger and all the other tools I don't know about
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on August 06, 2020, 05:04:06 AM
You mean like this ......     :o 

Yes mate this is coming as a new section for each page

It's currently there for pliers, altimeter, and chisel etc

You can also kinda get to this information by clicking the back-links button (see arrow)  - But you have to be logged on as a user to see this 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on August 10, 2020, 05:33:04 AM
PS. ... Re Tools to Models

We have this already for the Wenger and Vic 130mm Rangers
And also for the 111mm range
See respective pages.

As well as the back-links - We also have it for the 91s - But only by layer - So not too convenient 

Anyway as mentioned it's coming for the 91/84mm tools - as per the Chisel page above.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: TazzieRob on August 10, 2020, 08:04:05 AM
Good to know, mate, guess I just found one that wasn't yet done, and I didn't know that logging in gave more functionality like that.  :hatsoff:
Title: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Echotech on August 10, 2020, 09:10:55 AM
Making an account for myself right now! Thanks for the tip, love the wiki thanks for all your work on it, most appreciated

Update. Just tried to create an account bu tells me I need a password from the sys admin, followed the link but got this message:

No route found. Please see http://dev.tiki.org/URL+Rewriting+Revamp

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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on August 10, 2020, 01:07:42 PM
Thanks for the feedback - Much appreciated   :tu: 

We'll check out a userid for you    ???   :o
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Echotech on August 10, 2020, 01:15:04 PM
Thanks for the feedback - Much appreciated   :tu: 

We'll check out a userid for you    ???   :o
Thanks very much


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: TazzieRob on August 12, 2020, 02:48:00 AM
Making an account for myself right now! Thanks for the tip, love the wiki thanks for all your work on it, most appreciated

Update. Just tried to create an account bu tells me I need a password from the sys admin, followed the link but got this message:

No route found. Please see http://dev.tiki.org/URL+Rewriting+Revamp

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I got that too.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on August 14, 2020, 08:36:17 PM
I really need to look at the wiki at some point, I've been neglecting maintenance
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on August 15, 2020, 04:56:05 PM
and my internet at my current accommodation is not  good enough to do much of anything. :(
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on August 17, 2020, 09:08:35 PM
I added STRUKTURA mini 3 knives in the Richartz page.  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: CeHo on August 17, 2020, 10:48:22 PM
Here is a little information about this knife:

https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Lockblade+Knife

It was sold in only 3 Victorinox stores...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on August 18, 2020, 01:05:27 AM
Hi CeHo,

Thanks for this - However, I'll need a little more information if possible please, if we are to put this in the Wiki
eg Which 3 stores? - It currently says it was sold in the factory store; I thought it had been available online? - Xfile - How did you get yours?
Also - The source of the information eg.. 'According to a Victorinox contact' or 'In a letter sent to dealers.....'

We do not have strict rules on cross referencing like Wikipedia - However it would be great if the information is verifiable - eg in a catalogue or such like

Thanks
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: CeHo on August 19, 2020, 05:00:37 PM
The stores are: Victorinox factory store in Ibach, Victorinox Outlet Roermond and Victorinox Outlet Berlin. I talked to an employee from the Outletstore in Berlin. I asked him about the history of the knife. He called it „Messer ohne Name“ (knife without a name).
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on August 20, 2020, 02:01:26 AM
That's more like it!    :)     Perfect!    - Thanks CeHo   :tu:

I have updated the page - I credited MTo in the page and you in the History comments    :D     :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: CeHo on August 20, 2020, 08:46:20 AM
Great  :tu: :tu:

Many thanks
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Thales of Miletus on September 12, 2020, 08:06:43 PM
Is sakwiki down for maintenance right now? I'm getting an error message trying to load the page.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on September 12, 2020, 09:57:35 PM
Works fine for me
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on September 13, 2020, 12:29:51 AM
I do find from time to time it is n/a - Maybe once or twice a week - It usually comes back an hour or so later.
So I assume this is just a blip in the network/system somewhere   :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on September 13, 2020, 05:09:25 AM
Hey Whoey

Thanks for digging out this old SOSAK archive link for the RAF Hunter .... ages ago - Taken me a while to update this one!

https://web.archive.org/web/20111204101213/http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=330&Itemid=35

I have updated the link in the 111mm Hunter page and it seems to work

Will it stay working over time given it is an archive ?
Anyway great to get it fixed

Thanks again
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Zanza on October 03, 2020, 10:53:50 AM
@ Huntsman: I don't know if it's working like this when we see some missing/imprecisions/whatever in the wiki ? Posting here is the right way ?

Anyway, in the Wenger Forester page, it's missing the indication of early version, with small clip point blade instead of the common nail file

https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Forester
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on October 09, 2020, 04:04:08 PM
Farmer X page?  :pok:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on October 09, 2020, 11:37:23 PM
@ Huntsman: I don't know if it's working like this when we see some missing/imprecisions/whatever in the wiki ? Posting here is the right way ?
Anyway, in the Wenger Forester page, it's missing the indication of early version, with small clip point blade instead of the common nail file

 That's absolutely the right way Zanza - Thank you   :salute:  - It's updated (with a thanks to you in the History!!)   :tu:

Lovely new Swiss Spirit (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Swiss+Spirit+Special+Edition) page Nick - Thanks ... and for all the piccies and related updates !!   :tu:
That Explorer is lovely ..... Will be interesting to see if this series continues.

And thanks for all the other 'regular' editorial updates/additions/corrections!  :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Echotech on October 10, 2020, 03:37:23 AM
I really love the fact we can contribute to the wiki, a place I spend much time, thanks for all the hard work that goes into it.

I’ve noticed on the cadet page, which has a very detailed history  :like: :tu: and page for cadet five colors series from 2012

https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Cadet 

https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Cadet+5+Colors+Series

that there’s no mention of the cognac cadet (the cadet that shouldn’t exist) according to swissknives.info (link with English translation below)

https://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://swissknives.info/cognac-cadet/&prev=search&pto=aue

This was the short run (approx 1000 pieces) that should’ve been orange but came out in what has been designated cognac and eventually sold off in 2014 and 2015 (model number 0.2600.L1128)

I was recently (so recently it’s not arrived yet!) able to pick one of these up  :like:  :woohoo: looking forward to adding it to the collection  :climber:

While I’m on cadets, the 2020 LE aqua blue colour option hasn’t been added yet.

One more possible contribution I could make, on the cadet II page

https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Cadet+II

The only picture has the clip point pen blade version, if a picture with the drop point version is wanted, I’d be honoured to supply one of mine which was bought as “old new stock” and pretty minty

Thanks again for all the work and time spent it really is appreciated

 :salute:


Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on October 10, 2020, 08:07:04 AM
Hey ET

Thank you for the very kind words - It really is appreciated - As it is quite a lot of work - Which surprisingly seems never ending.....
There are always new versions, variations coming out, missing series, LEs etc and updates and corrections to make.
Nick4 Has been a great help in recent years on this - And deserves a special call out!

Thanks also for the observations on the Cadets - Here is what I have done:
Re the Five Colours: I have taken all the detail out of the regular Cadet page - and all the detail is now in the Five colour page - Most of which was there already - so duplicated which was not good.
I have also reformatted the Five Colour page to make it more user-friendly (I had never seen that page before!!) 
Re the 20xx Cadet LEs - I have not added the 2020 colour  :twak:     ;)   - And have taken away all the other 20xx details  :twak:  :twak:
Hopefully this is OK - As they are already in the 20xx Alox page - And there is  a link to that page from the Cadet page
That way we only have one page to update each year !!   :D    :tu: 

Re the Cadet II - A drop point version photo of the more recent old Cadet would be fab - I will send you a PM with an email address to send it to



Now I was going to save this until my editor's Major Update No. 5 (see earlier posts) - However seeing as we are on Cadets and Cadet IIs - I will mention it now.
LeaF and I had a chat and we were thinking of merging the Cadet and Cadet II pages
Why ?   ???   
Well for starters the Cadet II came before the Cadet which is highly confusing  :think:  and really they are both Cadets and the current Cadet is just an evolution of the original Cadet!

We would merge all the Cadet II info into the Cadet page and explain a little more about the evolution (most of which is there already) - So we would just have one page that covered the Cadet.
Of course we would still explain the Cadet I and Cadet II etymology
I (we) think it would be in improvement and clearer for our users

What do you think ET and SAK Knights ?   ???

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Echotech on October 10, 2020, 09:21:22 AM
Thanks very much Huntsman can only imagine the work, I’ve looked after sites before but nothing with the complexity of the Wiki :salute:

Definitely didn’t expect to see the update same day as mentioned, that’s service  :hatsoff:

All the changes you’ve done and have suggested make perfect sense to me and think a really good plan, it will definitely make the lineage clearer :iagree:

I’ll be genuinely honoured to have a picture of one of my SAK’s on there and very pleased to be able to contribute :like:

Also I shall henceforth be known as ET :like:  :D

:cheers:

ET


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Zanza on October 10, 2020, 10:29:56 AM
That's absolutely the right way Zanza - Thank you   :salute:  - It's updated (with a thanks to you in the History!!)   :tu:

Impressive work Huntsman, keep it up   :hatsoff:
(and I'm more than happy to have put such a small helpful brick in the wiki)

Oh and BTW, I quote here some thing I've posted elsewhere (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,85577.msg2165360.html#msg2165360) that you maybe missed...  ;)

@ Huntsman: here are pics of the Swiss Identity Huntsman for the wiki as you requested  ;)

BTW I can't figure how to create a user in the wiki, it asks for admin's autorisation or something


(https://i50.servimg.com/u/f50/19/13/23/70/swissi11.jpg)
(https://i50.servimg.com/u/f50/19/13/23/70/swissi10.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on October 10, 2020, 02:10:55 PM
Lovely new Swiss Spirit (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Swiss+Spirit+Special+Edition) page Nick - Thanks ... and for all the piccies and related updates !!   :tu:
My pleasure.  :hatsoff:
But you do a lot more work.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on October 11, 2020, 04:07:46 PM
Unfortunately, for some strange reason, I can't add images to the SAKWiki catalog gallery.  :dunno:

So I'll just leave it here: a page from the Victorinox 1970s (?) catalog, the Garden Knives line.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on October 11, 2020, 04:29:49 PM
Cause catalog galleries aren't image galleries, they are file galleries needed to store uploaded pdf catalogs and similar files. And to prevent uploads of unwanted content, maleware and such, (yes, we had that before) access to the file galleries is limited to admins only.

Currently still active admins are Huntsman, Reinier and yours truly :angel: so if you need something uploaded there, let us know.

Is this a catalog page you have or have you downloaded it? Do you have a scanner so we get a better representation of the page than the one taken with a camera?

Also, I'll have to check when I get to my desktop, but I think we might have that one in the wiki already. :think:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on October 11, 2020, 04:39:29 PM
enki_ck, thank you for the explanation!

Is this a catalog page you have or have you downloaded it? Do you have a scanner so we get a better representation of the page than the one taken with a camera?
Unfortunately, now I have this poor quality photo only. :( But I will try to get the whole catalog.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on October 13, 2020, 03:30:09 PM
Farmer X page?  :pok:
Done (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Farmer+X)  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on October 13, 2020, 03:49:28 PM
Good job Nick!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on October 13, 2020, 03:54:56 PM
Good job Nick!
Thank you, Reinier! But it was bad job :( (Huntsman knows ;) ).
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on October 13, 2020, 04:11:20 PM
Three layers instead of four? Or did you make a huge mistake? :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on October 13, 2020, 04:28:24 PM
Three layers instead of four?
Yep. Shame on me! Where were my eyes? :(

Or did you make a huge mistake? :)
Oh, that's for sure!  :twak:  :twak:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on October 16, 2020, 10:42:14 AM
Done (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Farmer+X)  :salute:

Looks great!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on October 16, 2020, 03:56:18 PM
Looks great!  :cheers:

Thanks!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on October 17, 2020, 04:24:34 PM
Dear Knights,

Just created Delémont Evolution S54 (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Del%C3%A9mont+Evolution+S54) and Delémont Evolution S557 (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Del%C3%A9mont+Evolution+S557) pages.
Could someone with native English check them for possible mistakes, please?  :hatsoff:

BTW, it's seems to me, there is a wrong identifier for the Delémont Evolution S557 model in the beautiful poster (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=4318) by Sir NeleDo (and Evolution Grip models are missing).  :pok:  :whistle:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on October 29, 2020, 12:03:08 PM
Dear Knights,

Just created Delémont Evolution S54 (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Del%C3%A9mont+Evolution+S54) and Delémont Evolution S557 (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Del%C3%A9mont+Evolution+S557) pages.
Could someone with native English check them for possible mistakes, please?  :hatsoff:

BTW, it's seems to me, there is a wrong identifier for the Delémont Evolution S557 model in the beautiful poster (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=4318) by Sir NeleDo (and Evolution Grip models are missing).  :pok:  :whistle:
You're right about the identifier for Evo S557 (it should end in "SE"), I accidentally used EvoWood S557's twice  :facepalm: I'll correct it as fast as possible...
As for Evolution Grip models, they are not "missing"... They are excluded as I used only basic models (not scales variations except for wood) in almost all of my posters.  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on October 29, 2020, 12:39:45 PM
Delemont 85mm poster with corrected Evolution S557 identifier :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on October 29, 2020, 01:42:59 PM
HI all,

I was checking out the 74mm pages (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+74mm) on the Wiki and I noticed that the 75mm models are listed below the 74mm SAKs. How about we move them to a dedicated 75mm page? I know it's basically a discontinued product line but still. They have noting in common with the double sided/floating spring frame (Executive, Ambassador, etc.). This has probably been discussed before :)

Also, on the Accountant (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Accountant) page, none of the models with scissors are mentioned. Should they be, being discontinued decades ago?

The old Accountant-style SAKs in 84mmm are not mentioned on the 84mm page (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+84mm). Should we add them?

I would like to see more old identifiers (like 656 aCr+ for a cellidor "Executive" with shield & cross and T&T) mentioned on the pages of the modern equivalent models. What do you think?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on October 29, 2020, 04:04:24 PM
You're right about the identifier for Evo S557 (it should end in "SE"), I accidentally used EvoWood S557's twice  :facepalm: I'll correct it as fast as possible...
As for Evolution Grip models, they are not "missing"... They are excluded as I used only basic models (not scales variations except for wood) in almost all of my posters.  :tu:
Ok!  :cheers:

Delemont 85mm poster with corrected Evolution S557 identifier :cheers:
Thank you very much!  :hatsoff:

I was checking out the 74mm pages (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+74mm) on the Wiki and I noticed that the 75mm models are listed below the 74mm SAKs. How about we move them to a dedicated 75mm page? I know it's basically a discontinued product line but still. They have noting in common with the double sided/floating spring frame (Executive, Ambassador, etc.). This has probably been discussed before :)
That sounds reasonable to me.

Also, on the Accountant (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Accountant) page, none of the models with scissors are mentioned. Should they be, being discontinued decades ago?
IMHO, should.

The old Accountant-style SAKs in 84mmm are not mentioned on the 84mm page (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+84mm). Should we add them?
IMHO, yes.

I would like to see more old identifiers (like 656 aCr+ for a cellidor "Executive" with shield & cross and T&T) mentioned on the pages of the modern equivalent models. What do you think?
It would be great! 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on October 29, 2020, 04:19:22 PM
Thanks Nick.

Perhaps we could split the 84mm page into three distinct pages? Since there are three different versions of the 84mm frame (regular, slim and lobster, right?).
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on October 30, 2020, 04:03:26 AM
Hi Guys,

I don't think the 74/75mm split was discussed before - The 75mm models were actually embedded in the one single list originally !!
- I took them out into a separate section a couple of years ago .

I would not do the split - Also not for the 84s !!
For me - Less is more.

If you think about our Wiki users:
- Making them go to another page, where there is very little variation, or limited new content - when they can clearly and easily see all the information on one page, is, at least IMHO, user-unfriendly/unnecessary.
Although as you mention - I do agree that the 75 vs 74 families are pretty different!!
However I do have an idea for the 75s - Which I will implement as soon as I finish this post -  Check it out here (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php)
- Let me know - And we can keep or revert back. If we keep it - I'll make all the columns align

Re: Addition of the scissor Accountants - Yep add them in  - Great !!   :tu:

Re: The 84mm Accountants - Yep - I would recommend a new section in the 84mm page, as per the above  :salute:

Re: Addition of any old model numbers - Yep add them in  - Great !!   :tu

Thanks Reinier for the recent updates and also NeleDo for the updated Delemont image - Has anyone put it in yet??
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on October 30, 2020, 10:55:08 AM
Your link goes to the main page. :think:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on October 30, 2020, 11:15:15 AM
Your link goes to the main page. :think:
I suppose this refers to the following. ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on October 30, 2020, 12:49:55 PM
Yep - That's it
Although on my screen the line does not wrap - Which looks a bit better
I think if you dont leave gaps also it does not wrap....

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on October 30, 2020, 01:40:28 PM
I vote separate page.
Yes, less is more, but correct is better :P
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on October 30, 2020, 10:03:25 PM
There is a stub reference to the 75mm range under "Others", with a link to the gallery....

https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Plier+Multitools+-+Swiss+Card+-+Others (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Plier+Multitools+-+Swiss+Card+-+Others)

I would vote to have a separate page for the 75s if there's enough content?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on October 30, 2020, 10:12:27 PM
Yes and I just fixed the gallery link on the 74mm page but there is no link to the 75mm gallery there.
The 75mm section on the Others page should be removed in my opinion.
Also, the Baker's Knife should not be listed under 91mm :dunno:

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on October 30, 2020, 11:55:38 PM
I added the 75mm gallery to the relevant 74mm pages - To at least get the current set up more correct, whilst we discuss !!
And as it was a quick and easy change   :tu:

At the moment we seem to be 3:1 in favour of a new page for the 75s!!     :rant:      ;)       >:D
If we did do this: .......
Would we put the new page under Others to replace the current gallery link - As the 75s are not really a proper or large family and the three models themselves are a little different from each other
(We did this for the non mainline Wenger sizes....) 
Or would we create a new 75mm line in the main menu section in the side panel ?   ???    :dunno:

Re the Bakers' knife:

Again that model was originally just in the main alphabetical list - So I moved it out to the bottom!!
However - Agreed Reinier  - It is a bit of an anomaly on the 91mm pages - Would you put it on the Others page?  ???
Probably a better home for it! - I'd say go for it!

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on October 31, 2020, 08:31:58 AM
My interpretation is that the "others" page is dedicated to Victorinox products that do not fit into the traditional SAK pocket knife design, so is a catch-all for unusual products, or divergent product lines, like the Hunter and Swisstool.

So I would rather see the 75mm removed from the "others" page and promoted to their rightful place alongside their larger and smaller brothers and sisters. Even if there are only three models, it will help to give them the visibility they deserve (and maybe create more interest for collectors).
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Echotech on October 31, 2020, 08:43:57 AM
Think the 74/75 listing works well, easy to find and considering just the 3 models, having them listed at the bottom as they are seems fine


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: comis on October 31, 2020, 08:52:02 AM
My interpretation is that the "others" page is dedicated to Victorinox products that do not fit into the traditional SAK pocket knife design, so is a catch-all for unusual products, or divergent product lines, like the Hunter and Swisstool.

So I would rather see the 75mm removed from the "others" page and promoted to their rightful place alongside their larger and smaller brothers and sisters. Even if there are only three models, it will help to give them the visibility they deserve (and maybe create more interest for collectors).

 :iagree:  I'd think it may be beneficial to move Swisstool out of 'others' too, since I think it is an important product offerings in Victorinox lineup, and to place it along with Travelling alarm seems to diminish it's importance(maybe Pliers-based tool?).  Another humble suggestion is to create a new page for 'Knives', since Vic does have a large offering in various kind of knives(kitchen, fixed blade, folding knives, etc)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: comis on October 31, 2020, 08:53:19 AM
Think the 74/75 listing works well, easy to find and considering just the 3 models, having them listed at the bottom as they are seems fine


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 :iagree: :cheers: :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on October 31, 2020, 09:02:46 AM
I totally disagree. Different size, different shape/frame type.

I'm with Max on this one.
We will never all agree I guess :cheers:

Talking about Others: should we add models like the Outdoor Master Mic? Personally I'm not interested in them since they are not SAKs. But then again, we also mention the Travel Alarms :dunno:

Also, I think we should add a "Specials" page, listing models like the HP SpatuClimber, Fuchs SAK with technician's screwdriver, Mammut Climber, 111mm Outdoortool with in-line awl, etc. What do you guys think? I know some of those are currently listed like the regular models or mentioned in the Variations and/or Identifiers sections.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on October 31, 2020, 10:09:30 AM
I took the liberty to add a 93mm 4 layer page. Yes, I know there's only one model (yet :P ), but I see no reason why it shouldn't be added.

By the way, what does the rogue 3 in the 100mm section mean? (sidebar table)? The page does exist (https://sakwiki.com/Victorinox+100mm+3+Layer+Models) but there's no link and I can't think of any models to add. Maybe some vintage ones from a million years ago?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on October 31, 2020, 11:15:54 AM
Definitely a prehistoric placeholder from the Cambrian era  :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on October 31, 2020, 11:33:24 AM
We actually did have this discussion some years ago and it was decided that 3 models is too little for a separate page and newcomers to SAKs would find it difficult to find. Heck we have more models on a single Cybertool or a Champion page than we would on a parental level page as is the layer category.

And folks, especially newcomers don't go around with calipers to find out if their SAK is 74 or 75mm. Especially considering that with the downsizing of the 74mm line from the Vic lineup these will both be historical pages soon with no more additions to be added.

I was against the merger of model pages that were done for a number of reasons, but in this case, I think it would be better if we left them as is.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on October 31, 2020, 11:52:11 AM
The fact that on Sakwiki we have only three models in 75mm range, absolutely does not mean that only these three models exists.

In general: 74 and 75 lineups definitely different entities and should be presented in different pages.

Just my 2 cents, nothing more.

P.S. AFAIK, 68mm range of SAKs are the same models as 75mm (just smaller). Should they have own page or share the same page with 75mm? (a rhetorical question)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on October 31, 2020, 12:00:12 PM
Excellent point Alex :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on October 31, 2020, 01:24:09 PM
Afaik all so far included in this discussion are editors and admins on the wiki. So if you know of or have other 75 or 74mm models that aren't so far listed in the wiki, by all means add them. :2tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on October 31, 2020, 01:35:37 PM
Especially 75mm ones, thereby increasing their chance of getting their own page :whistle:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on October 31, 2020, 01:39:50 PM
:cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on October 31, 2020, 02:01:10 PM
Afaik all so far included in this discussion are editors and admins on the wiki. So if you know of or have other 75 or 74mm models that aren't so far listed in the wiki, by all means add them. :2tu:
I did it in the past (I mean adding / editing), but stopped this practice because I wasn't happy with changes there.
One of the reason for that was a situation, when some models were merged into one page. Even after long (senseless) discussions, even if me or other users and editors were completely disagree with such solutions.

I didn't post anything in this thread last years I suppose (I promised to do not do that ), but latest idea about combining different models into one article made me more nervous...

I'm afraid that one day I will open Sakwiki and will see one static page with all models on it (sort from A to Z in best case).

Sorry for the long text.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 02, 2020, 01:14:02 PM
Personally, I don't like that newly added texts or other content immediately gets altered (always by the same editor) or moved to other sections within the page (intro/variations/identifiers). We don't all write in the same way and not all pages follow the same template. So I really don't see the point of correcting other people's contributions. It feels like "thanks for trying, but it's not good enough".

The wiki is not owned by one single person.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: pfrsantos on November 02, 2020, 05:18:31 PM
Thanks Nick.

Perhaps we could split the 84mm page into three distinct pages? Since there are three different versions of the 84mm frame (regular, slim and lobster, right?).

Wow! I didn't knew that! You mean there's a regular and slim versions of zoidberg?!

 :o :o
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on November 02, 2020, 05:20:18 PM
Personally, I don't like that newly added texts or other content immediately gets altered (always by the same editor) or moved to other sections within the page (intro/variations/identifiers). We don't all write in the same way and not all pages follow the same template. So I really don't see the point of correcting other people's contributions. It feels like "thanks for trying, but it's not good enough".

The wiki is not owned by one single person.

On the contrary, I advocate the maximum standardization and use of templates, whenever possible.

At the same time, I do not make a difference between the pages created by me and others. And I don’t worry if someone changes the contributions I made. The wiki is not owned by one single person.  :pok:

But, anyway, I don't have time to work on the SAKWiki project right now, so my opinion doesn't matter.  :dunno:

P.S. I apologize to everyone who was upset by my edits.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 03, 2020, 08:58:22 AM
On the contrary, I advocate the maximum standardization and use of templates, whenever possible.

Maybe I have not searched well enough, but what exactly is the template for a SAK page?

What information do we put in the intro section? Because I sometimes mention some specific variations (because why not?) and it gets moved to the Variations section. And who decides which variations are mentioned there, and which ones only get an entry in the Identifiers section?

Re. Identifiers: the European and US identifiers are not always listed in the same way. I like the version with headings for the different numbering systems. Maybe we could also add the old model numbers under a separate heading within the section?

It's also not always clear which variations are actually listed as variations and which ones are under Identifiers only.

Quote
At the same time, I do not make a difference between the pages created by me and others. And I don’t worry if someone changes the contributions I made. The wiki is not owned by one single person.  :pok:

I think some people sometimes force their opinion onto others. I'm not the only one who thinks that. Maybe I shouldn't make such a big deal out of it.
But seriously: one page for all Cybertools? Makes no sense to me. Just one example.
And merging two model lines with different designs and different sizes into one page? I don't get it.

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But, anyway, I don't have time to work on the SAKWiki project right now, so my opinion doesn't matter.  :dunno:

Your opinion matters! To me anyways :) You are a huge contributor (unlike myself). But even if you were not, your opinion would still matter of course.

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P.S. I apologize to everyone who was upset by my edits.  :cheers:

I did not mean you in my previous post.

All good friends? :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on November 03, 2020, 11:39:02 AM
Thank you very much for your frank opinion, Reinier!

Maybe I have not searched well enough, but what exactly is the template for a SAK page?
Strange, but I found it (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Knife+Entry+Template) easily. ;) (And if it did not exist, it would have to be created.)

And, surprisingly:
Last Modification: Friday 04 of January, 2019 19:10:55 MSK by Reinier.   :pok:

Perhaps this template is imperfect and needs to be reworked (for example, now everywhere the title of the section 'Related Knives' is replaced by 'Related Models').  :dunno: 
But this is also nothing more than a private issue of standardization.

What information do we put in the intro section? Because I sometimes mention some specific variations (because why not?) and it gets moved to the Variations section. And who decides which variations are mentioned there, and which ones only get an entry in the Identifiers section?
IMHO, all these issues can (and should) be discussed.  :think:

Of course, standardization does not exclude flexibility and creative freedom.

Re. Identifiers: the European and US identifiers are not always listed in the same way. I like the version with headings for the different numbering systems. Maybe we could also add the old model numbers under a separate heading within the section?
I do not know. This can also be discussed.

But my reasons for the preference for standardization are very simple:
My little coloboration experience at Wikipedia also tells me that templates and guidelines should be used as often as possible.

But, of course, this is all nothing more than my personal opinion.

It's also not always clear which variations are actually listed as variations and which ones are under Identifiers only.
IMHO, all possible variations should be described in the 'Variations' section.

I think some people sometimes force their opinion onto others. I'm not the only one who thinks that. Maybe I shouldn't make such a big deal out of it.
Maybe.

But for me personally, working on the SAKWiki project is an opportunity to thank all those who have generously shared information.
And I don’t worry if someone changes my contribution (the experience of working on Wikipedia is very helpful here - it’s much more stressful there).

In the end, as one friend of mine says, "calm, children are not born from this."   ;)

But seriously: one page for all Cybertools? Makes no sense to me. Just one example.
And for me, too, it looks rather strange (I somehow missed this moment and was now very unpleasantly surprised).  :think:

And merging two model lines with different designs and different sizes into one page? I don't get it.
Yes, I agree. In my opinion, the accurate classification is just as important to an encyclopedia (which is SAKWiki) as standardizing design templates.

Your opinion matters! To me anyways :) You are a huge contributor (unlike myself). But even if you were not, your opinion would still matter of course.
Thank you very much!  :salute: But you are exaggerating my contribution.
 
I did not mean you in my previous post.

All good friends? :cheers:
Of course! All good friends.  :cheers: :drink:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 03, 2020, 11:51:27 AM
Thank you very much for your frank opinion, Reinier!
Strange, but I found it (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Knife+Entry+Template) easily. ;) (And if it did not exist, it would have to be created.)

TBH I didn't search at all :P :pok:

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And, surprisingly:
Last Modification: Friday 04 of January, 2019 19:10:55 MSK by Reinier.   :pok:

That's weird. I must have been drunk or something back then :drink:

OK we should definitely update that template :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on November 07, 2020, 08:20:13 AM
I plan to begin working on the incomplete "Tang Stamp" page https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Tang+Stamp+Guide (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Tang+Stamp+Guide)

The Wiki deserves a good guide as a reference to this important SAK element, so I welcome input and comment from all contributors.

Before I start, does everyone agree that we should continue with the guide separated by SAK size, as it is now? This seems sensible, as it follows the indexing we use for the rest of the Wiki. Some of the missing sizes will need adding, and I may need image and info contributions.

The table format will need updating; the blank third column (Earliest Date) can be dropped as the timeframe will be listed in the notes column. I think it's OK to continue with the table format for each SAK size, as it's easy to build this out for each tang stamp style, and it locks the text to the images?

We will also need to agree on dates/date ranges to list, as these are often uncertain.

(edit: this is obviously a potential rabbit-hole of a topic, as there have been many different (and rare) stamps used since the beginning of Victorinox, so the update will be biased towards more recent SAKs where there is more reference material avalable).
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 08, 2020, 10:35:40 AM
Added the Spirit MXBS :cheers:

https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Spirit#Swisstool_Spirit_MXBS_3.0226.M3_
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on November 08, 2020, 12:28:34 PM
More specs at this Swiss site:  https://www.ssz-equipment.ch/de/shop/victorinox+swiss+tool+spirit+mxbs~p852577?si=1&limit=15&nav=3%2C228&site=view&page=1&PageSpeed=noscript (https://www.ssz-equipment.ch/de/shop/victorinox+swiss+tool+spirit+mxbs~p852577?si=1&limit=15&nav=3%2C228&site=view&page=1&PageSpeed=noscript)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 09, 2020, 07:27:49 AM
Good job on the tang stamp page Max :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Echotech on November 09, 2020, 08:02:25 AM
Good job on the tang stamp page Max :tu:
:Iagree: thanks very much for this, will be very useful to my collecting :tu: :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on November 09, 2020, 09:10:53 AM
 :hatsoff: thanks guys, but maybe 2% done...just playing with the formatting and testing the table design. There is sooo much info on tang stamps, it's a real minefield. For the moment, I will focus on the 91mm main blade stamps only. I will definitely need to tap into the experts that have reference material and images for contribution. We have to be cautious not to step too far into this topic, as it's closely related to the broader topic of dating SAKs, and then we open up a real can of worms wrt other identifiers that we don't have in the Wiki. At some stage, someone may want to take up this challenge (how to date a SAK), but this would be a Wiki all on its own!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on November 09, 2020, 11:27:42 AM
Parachute Knife added to 111mm series.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on November 09, 2020, 09:57:39 PM
Added ‘US’ #5049 to the Master Craftsman page for the Space Shuttle used toward the introduction side in the early ‘80s. I personally have a copy that is c. ‘82/‘83. 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on November 11, 2020, 04:12:28 PM
:hatsoff: thanks guys, but maybe 2% done...just playing with the formatting and testing the table design. There is sooo much info on tang stamps, it's a real minefield. For the moment, I will focus on the 91mm main blade stamps only. I will definitely need to tap into the experts that have reference material and images for contribution. We have to be cautious not to step too far into this topic, as it's closely related to the broader topic of dating SAKs, and then we open up a real can of worms wrt other identifiers that we don't have in the Wiki. At some stage, someone may want to take up this challenge (how to date a SAK), but this would be a Wiki all on its own!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I know, Officier Suisse with crossbow on reverse started in 1975, and there was a blank reverse tang in 1974-1975.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on November 11, 2020, 04:19:23 PM
Thanks NeleDo  :hatsoff: - I'm going to reset the table and focus just on the 91mm tang history to start with. Once I have a draft chronology, I will probably put it out as a new thread on the forum to get comments, so we can get broad agreement.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on November 11, 2020, 09:23:55 PM
OK - first pass - won't add to Wiki until I get some comments here  :salute: Not sure if the blank reverse was only on Elinox in c. 73-75?

Common Main Blade Tang Stamps of Victorinox 91mm Range

Tang Obverse / Reverse Image   Date Range   Notes
(images to follow)                           1957 - 1974       VSSR / Victoria OS
(images to follow)                           1974-1986           VSSR small "V"/ OS + crossbow emblem
(images to follow)                           1986 - 2005    VSSR large "V"/ OS + crossbow emblem
(images to follow)                           2005 - 2009       VSS large "V"/ OS
(images to follow)                           2009 - 2011    VSS larger Swiss Made, large "V"/ OS
(images to follow)                           2011 -             VSS small "V"/ OS

Notes:
-   Tables shows main blade stamps of 91mm range from 1957 onwards
-   Production examples can be found outside the date ranges
-   Tang stamps for Economy line (Elinox) and Hoffritz SAKs are not listed
-   Thinner 2.0mm main blade tang thickness introduced in 2004

Nomenclature:
VSSR (4-lines)
   VICTORINOX
   SWITZERLAND
   STAINLESS
   ROSTFRE

VSS (3-lines)
   VICTORINOX
   SWISS MADE
   STAINLESS

OS = OFFICIER SUISSE
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on November 11, 2020, 09:29:12 PM
OK - first pass - won't add to Wiki until I get some comments here  :salute: Not sure if the blank reverse was only on Elinox in c. 73-75?

Common Main Blade Tang Stamps of Victorinox 91mm Range

Tang Obverse / Reverse Image   Date Range   Notes
(images to follow)                           1957 - 1974       VSSR / Victoria OS
(images to follow)                           1974-1986           VSSR small "V"/ OS + crossbow emblem
(images to follow)                           1986 - 2005    VSSR large "V"/ OS + crossbow emblem
(images to follow)                           2005 - 2009       VSS large "V"/ OS
(images to follow)                           2009 - 2011    VSS larger Swiss Made, large "V"/ OS
(images to follow)                           2011 -             VSS small "V"/ OS

Notes:
-   Tables shows main blade stamps of 91mm range from 1957 onwards
-   Production examples can be found outside the date ranges
-   Tang stamps for Economy line (Elinox) and Hoffritz SAKs are not listed
-   Thinner 2.0mm main blade tang thickness introduced in 2004

Nomenclature:
VSSR (4-lines)
   VICTORINOX
   SWITZERLAND
   STAINLESS
   ROSTFRE

VSS (3-lines)
   VICTORINOX
   SWISS MADE
   STAINLESS

OS = OFFICIER SUISSE

No, blank back stamp was also found in the main line, so I would just add:
1974-1975           VSSR small "V"/ <no stamp>
1975-1986           VSSR small "V"/ OS + crossbow emblem
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on November 11, 2020, 09:39:17 PM
 :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on November 14, 2020, 03:56:09 PM
I have taken pictures of 5 of the 91mm tang stamp types that I have, and added these to the Tang Stamp section on the Wiki in a new table format.  :salute:

To avoid early onset of Wiki madness, I have limited the table to the 91mm series. It we feel this table format and presentation is working, we can look at expanding to other series. But I do suggest that we keep the reference page to the more common stamps found on the main blade of the SAKs listed on the Wiki. If we start to list every rare stamp, the page will get impossibly long  :o. We can always daughter-off a page for rare stamps.

As dates are often a subject of much debate, please comment on the date ranges that I have used -- but we'll need some agreement on dates if any need changing. :whistle:

I am also appealing for images of the tangs I am missing, the 74/75 with a blank reverse, and the VSS tang where the SWISS MADE is as wide as VICTORINOX. If someone wants to offer to take pictures of their references, please try to get a good contrast, and keep the text level in the pic, similar to the ones I added at the end of the table.  :cheers:

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on November 15, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
No, blank back stamp was also found in the main line, so I would just add:
1974-1975           VSSR small "V"/ <no stamp>
1975-1986           VSSR small "V"/ OS + crossbow emblem
The blank rear stamp in main line is very well correlated to black double scissor spring use. But I do not think late ‘73 or early ‘76 should be excluded. Also pretty sure I have ID’d early OSCB rear stamps from ‘76.

1973-1976           VSSR small "V"/ <no stamp>
1976-1986           VSSR small "V"/ OS +

And I think ESSR/blank was used later into the ‘77/‘78 range. And that Elinox stamps should be on a separate table to avoid confusion.

I think this effort should have a separate thread to discuss and not make updates without broad input and verification from what can be found in posts like  in ulli’s thread and the vintage club thread. I think you’re okay with the more recent dates and they can be refined if or as needed.

But honestly, the ‘70s (and earlier) are a big cluster smurf that I am trying to explain with clear methods and examples. Without that, I think there will always be disagreement and confusion about dates therein.

And I’d suggest choosing a uniform color background (black or gray?) for the pics and to shoot them so the main reflection is ‘white’ and the text appears ‘black’ and not the other way around like they are.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 15, 2020, 07:05:29 PM
I would like to add a reference to those green EvoGrip scales (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,85981.0.html). But we don't know the model (yet). What to do?

Also: https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=202 I guess that should be 91mm?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on November 15, 2020, 07:15:11 PM
Thanks for your comments kamakiri - I've made these changes but will hold off on anything further. I'm now going to promote this topic to a new thread to encourage discussion and get broad agreement on needed changes. This Wiki page had no input since 2010 and was lacking all but a couple of reference dates and images, so this is just a start. I can retake the images to set a reference and standard for additional images. The Wiki is an open resource that needs the shared contribution from many knowledgeable forum members, so let's look forward to seeing how this develops.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 15, 2020, 11:37:52 PM
I would like to add a reference to those green EvoGrip scales (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,85981.0.html). But we don't know the model (yet). What to do?

Also: https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=202 I guess that should be 91mm?

Very nice scales indeed - The Wiki says the 23 is a five layer model - But that one looks more like eight - Maybe a naming error from Vic, or the scales are available on more models?     :think:
Need to wait for more pics, or until someone gets one, I guess.

Yes 91mm - Thanks  :tu:   and ...... corrected.
Max suggested we put it there, could also have gone in the Tools gallery I guess. 50:50!  - But I think he is/we are going to put a link from the Tools page to the SOS page anyway - So we are covered 

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 16, 2020, 06:33:01 AM
:tu:

The orienteering tool usee three springs I think. That would add two layers to the 23 config with the thinner compass. So perhaps it's an Evolution 23 with orienteering tool instead of compass :think:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Manorcom on November 25, 2020, 04:20:58 PM
Any idea why the Wenger Camper 17 [1 17 92 300] is not mentioned?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 25, 2020, 05:20:22 PM
Hi - Thanks for this

You are right - It does not seem to be in the Wiki

So it is an Evolution 17 - With a tent printed on the scales - Is that correct?    ???

If so we can put it as a variation of the 17 and in the alpha list
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Manorcom on November 25, 2020, 06:15:44 PM
Yes it is. Let me know if you need a good picture. It is dark now but I could do one tomorrow.

But surely should have a reference under Camper?

Regards....Keith
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Manorcom on November 25, 2020, 06:24:55 PM
I mean looking at the box it is a named model.

i.e.it is called "Camper 17"
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 26, 2020, 02:16:12 AM
Hi Manocrom,

Yes a photo would be great - I did find one on ebay - But one of our own is much more preferable and you would be credited as the author  :tu:
- I'll send you a PM with an email address

But surely should have a reference under Camper?
If so we can put it as a variation of the 17 and in the alpha list

My proposal would be that, as the toolset is the Evolution 17 toolset, the model is referenced on that page.
There would also be a line for the Camper model/variation in the main 85mm alpha page .... This one:
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+85mm

This is typically the approach we take when one model is essentially a variation of another model eg different scales
I made these changes - So please check them out
- There is a nice empty space at the bottom of the page where your picture could go!    :salute:    :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Manorcom on November 26, 2020, 08:20:36 AM
Huntsman, all looks good. I should add that the main blade is non-locking.

Please PM your email for the photo.

Regards...Keith
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: pfrsantos on December 23, 2020, 01:57:17 PM
Just found a Wenger Classic 10 I had statched away. Looked for it in the Wiki but there's only a mention of it in the Commander's page.

Shouldn't it be in the model list, even if with a mention of "see Commander"?

I can try to get some pics of it for the Wiki, if you want. Don't know if I can get some good enough, though...

 :-[

I awlso noticed mine has "WENGER" embossed in the scale, near the scale cutout for the awl.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 23, 2020, 02:04:19 PM
The Classics are listed here in the 85mm model list: https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+85mm
But indeed they are not featured on the 2 layer model page: https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+85mm+2+Layer+Models

:dunno:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: pfrsantos on December 23, 2020, 04:29:25 PM
(...)
But indeed they are not featured on the 2 layer model page: https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+85mm+2+Layer+Models

:dunno:
Yup,that's the one I saw. It's a more common model than the Commander, isn't it? Maybe it should have its own page and pics.

 :think: :think:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on January 06, 2021, 11:37:21 AM
Nick4 and Huntsman, you have PMs, regarding the X-mas series. :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 07, 2021, 12:07:51 AM
Hi Knights,

We have received a couple of nice images of the Christmas series from Marcos of the VicSpain youtube channel and updates on the released quantities.
The images are in the Christmas gallery and the numbers have been updated.
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Christmas+Series

As always - Let us know any comments, corrections, feedback etc etc

Thanks Marcos 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on January 07, 2021, 10:00:42 AM
Hello,
I don't know if it would help for datation  or if there is enough data already, but here is one oldie I got by me that may give some more hints on the tools and markings that could exist at the same era :

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21658.0;attach=416517)

Tang stamps :
- small V VSSR,
- Victoria Officier Suisse with crossbow

Scales :
- full cellidor scales
- 'gold colored' shield (nickel silver?)
- bail

Tools :
- small clip point blade
- 29 teeth saw,
- backside Philips with square shank and file
- can opener with +PAT
- cap lifter with wire bender, and (I'm not sure) "weak stripper", e.g. not the kind I usually see on 93mm
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on January 08, 2021, 10:33:33 AM
We have received a couple of nice images of the Christmas series from Marcos of the VicSpain youtube channel and updates on the released quantities.
Maybe add a photo with the number of knives released below the table?

Thanks Marcos
:iagree: :tu: :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on January 12, 2021, 02:32:06 PM
A few (more) things about SwissCards... We all know those were patented in 1996 and introduced in 1997, but did you know that the very first SwissCards had different product numbers and inscription “7 Features  - 10 Functions“ inside the box just above the Card?
Some of the product numbers from very first SCs:
4.3407 Grey with red blade handle (and sliding door)
4.3407.6R Light Gray with red blade handle and sliding door
4.3437R Grey with black blade handle and sliding door
4.3437.3 All Black
Later, inscription was changed to “10 Functions“ and product numbers were changed to those that are still used today.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 14, 2021, 03:34:42 AM
Thanks Nele - Great detective/investigation work.

And ........... it's in
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=SwissCard
- Please check it out to see that it is all OK - I got both the pictures in too - But via hyperlinks.
Why is the Wiki never finished?    ???    :twak:     ....  And why do these updates always turn into projects?    :pok:    :o     :dunno:
So it turns out we did not have any model numbers at all in the Wiki - So they are there now - Was not sure about the formatting for these - So see if you like it folks    ???

Also spotted a couple of interesting anomalies on the Victrinox side:

In the Vic numbering convention the main four digits always represent the toolset and the last numbers after the full stop - The colour/scale material etc
But Vic has not followed this convention for the SwissCard .......  Well not for the Classic or Lite   ........ But they did for the Nailcare   
..........  What is going on Victorinox?   ???    :think:

Also hilariously the SwissCard is described as having 10 functions - on their website:
https://www.victorinox.com/global/en/Products/Swiss-Army-Knives/SwissCards/Swiss-Card-Classic/p/0.7100.T
But in the list on their website (which is reflected in the Wiki) there are only nine!
Note: In the Wiki list the protractor is no longer there and the sd tip is the 9th tool/function - Note the protractor was not there in the first models!! - So still 9!!

BTW This discrepancy is also there for the SwissChamp last time I checked!! 
One again I say:   "What is going on Victorinox?"   ???    :think:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 14, 2021, 04:30:18 AM
Oh I think I might have cracked one of them!!

Ruler cm and Ruler inches = Two functions
Might also explain the SC anomaly!

I do think that is pushing it a bit tho' - A ruler is a ruler - Right?  ???
Title: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Echotech on January 14, 2021, 04:52:34 AM
Oh I think I might have cracked one of them!!

Ruler cm and Ruler inches = Two functions
Might also explain the SC anomaly!

I do think that is pushing it a bit tho' - A ruler is a ruler - Right?  ???
Yep! That’s definitely pushing it H…wait there’s more, if you ring in the next 20 minutes get metric and imperial for the price of one :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 14, 2021, 10:53:13 AM
Hello,
I don't know if it would help for datation  or if there is enough data already, but here is one oldie I got by me that may give some more hints on the tools and markings that could exist at the same era :

Thanks for this m47 - I think this info would go down well in the Vintage SAKs thread ........
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Aloha on January 14, 2021, 04:13:30 PM
IMO Victorinox never in all their years thought there would be a site dedicated to documenting their products.  I have always wondered if anyone at Victorinox has such a detailed accounting?  Do they even have records or do they refer to the WIKI?  ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 14, 2021, 09:58:07 PM
Hmm Interesting thoughts Aloha!

I think they do keep records and in their museum there is some interesting history displays - eg all the Soldier model progressions
They also produce documents from time to time
- One is in the  Identification and dating thread at the bottom of the first post - Another in the dating your SAK via tool evolution thread (first post)
Although in the latter document we know there are some mistakes :o  (eg when external rivets disappeared)
- JazzBass and co have some strong evidence of the actual date, which has been discussed here!!

I often wonder whether they ever come to SAKWiki!! For sure I agree they probably never thought there would be such a site
I do know editors in the past have sent queries to Vic and they have replied
- And they do know all about their crazy fans and collectors - As they mention them from time to time - eg The photo competition a few years ago
- And of course bring out collectors models, so that we can give Vic more of our money!!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on January 19, 2021, 05:25:35 PM
Oh I think I might have cracked one of them!!

Ruler cm and Ruler inches = Two functions
Might also explain the SC anomaly!

I do think that is pushing it a bit tho' - A ruler is a ruler - Right?  ???

They definitely count those as two tools/functions, here's the list of tools from Fisherman's page...  :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on January 19, 2021, 05:30:56 PM
They definitely count those as two tools/functions, here's the list of tools from Fisherman's page...  :D
You're absolutely correct.

Sorry for poor quality of the picture
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on January 19, 2021, 05:32:29 PM
I had a discussion about it with LeaF a while back. I think they are being silly double counting the ruler.

I just added some info about the coloured implements that have been introduced recently :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on January 19, 2021, 05:33:01 PM
Oh there he is. Hi Alex  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on January 19, 2021, 05:37:32 PM
Oh there he is. Hi Alex  :hatsoff:


Suddenly?  ;)
Hi Reinier!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 20, 2021, 12:08:28 AM
There have been many discussions around the changed Annual Alox models

Anyway we said that, once they were on the Vic website, we'd update the Wiki - And they are - So we did  :tu: 
One interesting observation - If the numbering convention continues - Next year's Classic will be 0.6221.L22
However if you look at teh Wiki Classic page - You'll see ther already was a 0.6221.L22 and a few subsequent numbers
Hmmm  :think:   Interesting - I wonder what they'll do  ???

Thanks for the coloured updates Reinier - And the confirmation of my query/theory LeaF/NeleDo    :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on January 20, 2021, 08:28:53 AM
There have been many discussions around the changed Annual Alox models

Anyway we said that, once they were on the Vic website, we'd update the Wiki - And they are - So we did  :tu: 
It looks great!  :tu:  :like:
One interesting observation - If the numbering convention continues - Next year's Classic will be 0.6221.L22
However if you look at teh Wiki Classic page - You'll see ther already was a 0.6221.L22 and a few subsequent numbers
Hmmm  :think:   Interesting - I wonder what they'll do  ???
Perhaps they will add a suffix? For example 22LE?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 20, 2021, 12:33:10 PM
Thanks Nick - Yeah - Not bad ? ;)

If they keep swapping the models round in this series the page could get a bit interesting/challenging.

Perhaps they will add a suffix? For example 22LE?

Yeah - Good idea that would work - Although the time to have started that would have been this year with the change in models   ;)    ;o

I was thinking they might (unknowingly) go for a duplicate model number - As that old Classic special could be from years ago in a single market etc etc

 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on January 20, 2021, 12:44:02 PM
It looks great!  :tu:  :like:Perhaps they will add a suffix? For example 22LE?
Previously used number is 0.6221.L22 (we all know the number before the dot refers to number of "other tools", in this case 1 means KR only). Next year's Classic LEs would be 0.6223.L22(immediately followed by 01-10), so there shouldn't be any PN overlapping.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 20, 2021, 01:04:58 PM
Hey Nele -
I thought you might have solved it
However we are talking about the Alox LEs - Not the crowd designed picture Classic LEs
So I think we do have a clash!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 21, 2021, 12:00:37 AM
Hi Team,

I had a look at the Victorinox Company page and thought it needed a bit of work - So have knocked up an updated version and put it here for your review
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Vic+new+temp

Changes are:

There is a link to the original page - So you can compare
What do you think? - Shall we update the page?

* One feature that seemed to be pretty common in many Wiki pages, was putting an image next to areas of high density text - This was the case here.
I moved the piccie into 'white space' on the page - Which I think makes the whole page a lot neater, compact and easy to use!
I also compressed the voulmes table and took out an ugly box!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on January 21, 2021, 08:37:21 AM
What do you think? - Shall we update the page?
The page looks better in my opinion. :tu:

Only in the browser Firefox 84.0.2 the text and picture are displaced, leaving an empty space.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on January 21, 2021, 08:39:00 AM
I made a few small changes to that page yesterday and thought it actually needed a proper update. So thank you Huntsman :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 21, 2021, 09:06:58 AM
Thanks lads

Nick - I adjusted the table and image size - Does that work better now?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on January 21, 2021, 09:57:22 AM
Nick - I adjusted the table and image sign - Does that work better now?
Yes, it works better now.  :tu:
Thank you very much!  :like:

(Tested with Firefox, MS Edge, Pale Moon, Opera and Chrome.)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on January 21, 2021, 07:03:52 PM
I got an email today from MexSAK, he mentions some errors he noticed on the SAKwiki but I have no specifics except this list. He's already a member here so I invited him to share what he thinks here with us.
Here's his list so far...

Quote
As a few examples:
1. I have seen an extra version of pliers for 91mm SAKs (I have pics)
2. Your page about the "Automobile" does not mention that that knife came with or without a key ring.
3. There is a later version of the 84mm Huntsman Small (c. 1962-1968).
4. There is a version of the Victorinox Passenger SAK without toothpick and tweezers.

I'm guessing the #4 is referring to an Economy model?

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Couillon on January 22, 2021, 10:55:19 PM
Sincere thanks to everyone who has contributed to the Wiki.  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 22, 2021, 11:15:10 PM
Many thanks Couillon
We appreciate the appreciation !!!   :D    :salute:

@ enki and MexSAK - These all sound like genuine features/updates - I will check out the relevant pages
If you have a few updates MexSAK you could become an editor - Or we can make the changes - Let us know
If you have photos please post hem here or PM me for an email address - Another version of the pliers sounds very interesting

Re the Victorinox page I transferred the new temp page to the old one - So that is updated now
I noticed that the table and image overlap problem happened on an ipad screen - So I switched the contact info and generations image over
I thought I preferred the image on the right - And it looked fine on Chrome and Windows - But this new format is growing on me - It means the image at the bottom can be nice and large
Feel free to adjust it any editors

Nick you discovered a shocker of a page with the Wenger LH tools page  >:D  - I had to attack that page  :whistle:
Proposed new structure here - With link to the old page at the bottom -
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=LH+temp
I think this one is a bit of a no-brainer    ;)    :tu:
I also updated the Identifiers section to the new format - I need to - and will - put a detailed post here about these changes shortly

One interesting observation about this temp LH page - It's had over 50 hits already -  :o   And it's not in the menu structure and allegedly no-one knew about it apart from me!
I guess that is the way of teh internet
Although probably  20 of them were me ducking in and out of the page    :o
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 22, 2021, 11:50:32 PM
Hmmmm - Pretty sure I have discovered a mistake in the LH page

The first model in the set is listed as being a LH Viking - But I reckon it is a LH Commander as it has the nail-file not the small blade
I checked the config in the catalogue page and it does have the NF - So it is a Commander not a Viking - Right ?   ???

We can correct it if you agree - Unfortunately we wont be able to correct the text on the image - But we can just make a note by the model name in the list
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on January 23, 2021, 06:22:21 AM
So it is a Commander not a Viking - Right ?   ???

No, left!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 23, 2021, 06:32:33 AM

 :rofl:

Touché my friend
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on January 23, 2021, 10:21:10 AM
Re the Victorinox page I transferred the new temp page to the old one - So that is updated now
It looks great now!  :like:

Nick you discovered a shocker of a page with the Wenger LH tools page  >:D  - I had to attack that page  :whistle:
Proposed new structure here
As for me, it's much better now.  :tu:

One interesting observation about this temp LH page - It's had over 50 hits already -  :o   And it's not in the menu structure and allegedly no-one knew about it apart from me!
I guess that is the way of teh internet
When you create a new page, it appears in the list on the left side of the SAKWiki screen and is visible to all registered users. So I've already followed the link at least twice. ;)

Unfortunately we wont be able to correct the text on the image
Why not? Just download the bigger picture (https://sakwiki.com/show_image.php?id=2547&scalesize=o), edit it and upload the corrected version as a smaller picture again (for example, see the attachment).

By the way, in my opinion it is a very good idea to use small images (thumbnails) for some pages in the series, for example, the Wenger Series page. Now big pictures are linked there, and it makes the page loading too long.

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 23, 2021, 10:38:21 PM
Thanks Nick - You have better editing skills than me!!

Page updated with Commander corrections and new pic!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on January 24, 2021, 11:18:14 AM
Thanks Nick - You have better editing skills than me!!
Thanks Huntsman, you are so kind.  :hatsoff:

Page updated with Commander corrections and new pic!
:like:

Meanwhile, I replaced  full-sized images links on the Wenger Series and Special Editions page (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+Series+and+Special+Editions) with thumbnails links, if you do not mind.

(And we probably need a few more pages for the Wenger SAKs series -- not all series are listed there.)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: MexSAK on January 27, 2021, 12:21:56 PM
Hello guys. I have detected some missing info at SakWiki over the last couple of years, and was told by Nikola that this is the channel to share my findings. Here I go with the first one, from a little list of some 5-6.

There is an extra type of Victorinox pliers, to be identified between types 2 and 3 at this SakWiki page: https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pliers (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pliers)

It is, "Type 2" (1987-1995) BUT with the groove for the spring added.

I have pictures to prove this fact but, unfortunately, I am not able to upload them, for some reason (the size is not a matter because the files were converted to 614 x 406.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on January 27, 2021, 12:26:13 PM
Email the pictures to me and I'll add them :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on January 27, 2021, 12:39:42 PM
Added, they were small in resolution, but still 2mb big :ahhh The limit is 500kb
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: MexSAK on January 27, 2021, 01:12:31 PM
I am emailing some bigger resolution, still less heavy ones, Nikola :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on January 27, 2021, 05:17:40 PM
Thanks, I got them, but I already added the ones you sent me to your post. :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: MexSAK on January 28, 2021, 03:38:34 AM
Wenger Shortix-Plus SPECIFICATIONS

https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+SGT+Shortix+Plus

Physical Specifications:
Lenght: 85mm
Width: 40mm
Height: 23mm
Weight: 190.5g (0.42lb)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on January 28, 2021, 08:38:44 AM
Wenger Shortix-Plus SPECIFICATIONS
Added.  :salute:
Thank you, MexSAK!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on January 28, 2021, 01:42:45 PM
Some more Wenger Series (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+Series+and+Special+Editions) pages created:
Could someone of SAKWiki editors with native English check them for mistakes, please? Thank you very much in advance! :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on January 28, 2021, 02:36:00 PM
Good job Nick!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on January 28, 2021, 03:19:17 PM
Good job Nick!
Thanks, Reinier!  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: MexSAK on January 28, 2021, 04:40:58 PM
Added.  :salute:
Thank you, MexSAK!

You are welcome! Always my pleasure helping to improve such an excellent site.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: bismouth on January 29, 2021, 11:52:24 AM
Just a quick remark for the 111mm Sentinel page:

0.8416.M3: OH, non-serrated, with pocket clip (54885)

‘All Black’ version, available in 2010: black-oxide coated blade, liners, spring, keyring, and clip


I've found another black oxide limited run: the "black série" with black-oxide coated serrated blade, liners, spring, keyring but NO clip. The réf. is 0.8413.MILI and it comes with a soft kaki leather pouch which can be fitted horizontally ou vertically

Same design and pouch for the trailmaster of the 'black série": Réf. 0.8463.MILI

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/gVotDljHeTNNXNzcjyPdhV-JOdkQrO8okW7XC0YUOXG_54nyuQyFZkjPZu8C7LoN4jLDyeCr4bgeg34ZsIQG1Z9TH2bgPnNifTMzQxDyLSKd2jUwU6OUUSU)


I've got the two knifes if needed
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on January 30, 2021, 05:11:10 PM
I've found another black oxide limited run: the "black série" with black-oxide coated serrated blade, liners, spring, keyring but NO clip. The réf. is 0.8413.MILI and it comes with a soft kaki leather pouch which can be fitted horizontally ou vertically

Same design and pouch for the trailmaster of the 'black série": Réf. 0.8463.MILI
Thank you for the information, Sir bismouth!
Identifiers added.  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on January 31, 2021, 01:14:42 AM
Thanks for adding the Black Ice series Nick :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on January 31, 2021, 09:09:16 AM
Thanks for adding the Black Ice series Nick :tu:
My pleasure, Reinier!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on January 31, 2021, 09:15:16 AM
I can't believe we didn't already have it :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on January 31, 2021, 09:33:17 AM
I can't believe we didn't already have it :)
As you know for sure, we always have some info to be added. ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on January 31, 2021, 09:58:30 AM
That is true! The day the universe dies a cold death (the big freeze) we will still have a big to do list.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on January 31, 2021, 09:59:26 AM
And I don't mean that in a wrong way :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 31, 2021, 01:47:39 PM
I had a crack at the pliers page update.

I called this new version 2a - to fit in with the existing picture - And guessed the groove came at the same time as the scissors groove.

Please feel free to update / do it another way ..... But we might need a new four generation pic?    :think:

The page did not mention the groove at all originally
- A few years ago I noticed that older pliers did not have it and newer ones did - So I updated the page with the groove and again guessed it came when the crimpers were added
So it is really great to get this corrected and another version in the Wiki    :salute:

Thanks  MexSAK   :D


Nick - I though you said you were busy WRL at the mo  :think:  ...... You've been going nuts in the Wiki - I guess the contract ended?  ???
Thanks for all the updates - Great stuff   :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on January 31, 2021, 02:29:55 PM
And I don't mean that in a wrong way :D
It's Ok.  :cheers:

Nick - I though you said you were busy WRL at the mo  :think:  ...... You've been going nuts in the Wiki - I guess the contract ended?  ???
Thanks for all the updates - Great stuff   :cheers:
Thank you, Huntsman!  :salute:
Yes, one project has already been completed.  :woohoo:  But a new one will start next week.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on February 03, 2021, 03:39:08 PM
Hi Team,

I just modified the Knife Entry Template (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Knife+Entry+Template) a little bit (codes  "clearfix", "BOX"  and the section sorting were affected) to make new pages more uniform with already existing ones, if you do not mind.

If I was wrong please feel free to undo the changes.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on February 06, 2021, 11:28:59 PM
Hello guys. I have detected some missing info at SakWiki over the last couple of years, and was told by Nikola that this is the channel to share my findings. Here I go with the first one, from a little list of some 5-6.

There is an extra type of Victorinox pliers, to be identified between types 2 and 3 at this SakWiki page: https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pliers (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pliers)

It is, "Type 2" (1987-1995) BUT with the groove for the spring added.

I have pictures to prove this fact but, unfortunately, I am not able to upload them, for some reason (the size is not a matter because the files were converted to 614 x 406.

Good work on the addition.

Could somebody fix the dates?

The end date for the first 2.5mm version is at least ‘87 in regular production, maybe even ‘88, but the actual end is for the ‘91 Rütli battle series.

I also doubt the 1985 start in favor of ‘86, but not a big deal to me. Notice how no Champs or pliers models are in any of the 1985 catalogs or dated price lists.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 07, 2021, 11:30:36 PM
Hello KK,
Are you saying that the original pliers version was on the Rutli?   ??? ........ Very interesting - Never knew that    ::)

I made the changes you suggested ..... I think!    ...... Please check it out     :think:

https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pliers

Yes I noted the 85/86 variation in some of the SC dates.
I guess it's a variation between announcement and availability date and also possibly availability in different markets

Also catalogues can be somewhat misleading - For instance the 'current' catalogue on the Vic website is 2017!!

Thanks for the info
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 09, 2021, 01:30:17 AM
Hey Knights and Scribes of the Knight's Almanac,

I added some comments about the digital display back-light to the Traveller page - All good - I hope
However this feature is not explained, at least not in the user guide that came with my Traveller - So also added a comment to this effect.

This query/observation came up in a recent FB discussion

Can anyone else verify the 'missing from the manual' comment  - Please update/correct etc etc  if necessary
And does anyone know about the other models ? Voyager, Altimeter etc
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: kamakiri on February 09, 2021, 06:53:54 PM
Hello KK,
Are you saying that the original pliers version was on the Rutli?   ??? ........ Very interesting - Never knew that    ::)

I made the changes you suggested ..... I think!    ...... Please check it out     :think:

https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pliers

Yes I noted the 85/86 variation in some of the SC dates.
I guess it's a variation between announcement and availability date and also possibly availability in different markets

Also catalogues can be somewhat misleading - For instance the 'current' catalogue on the Vic website is 2017!!

Thanks for the info

 :cheers: Thanks for making the updates Huntsman!  I think the 85/86 notation works well enough. I use that type of notation when I’m not certain for myself.

And the Rütli page clearly shows the 2.5mm/v.1 pliers. It’s that way on mine too. And unlike all the other Battle Series, being the last one out, I suspect the ones in the presentation boxes are the same as those released in the complete set. Some of which have very different parts when compared to the earlier releases of the same model.

The interesting thing to me is that it proves how Victorinox has kept discontinued parts in large quantities around for a while...and how they could ‘dispose’ of them when they eventually wanted to.

Thanks again for making the changes.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on February 19, 2021, 01:51:36 PM
Comparison photos of SwissCards Gen.1 & Gen.2 (both all solid black). Older one (one of first ones with older product number) is at the top (or on the left in last two photos). The biggest differences are the box itself, (inner cover page, inscription above the card and the back cover along with different PN), and markings on the sliding door. There are a few other "invisible" differences in Cards, like protractor in Gen.2 but also the markings on how to properly insert the scissors in the card (visible only when scissors are taken out, also in Gen.2).
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on February 19, 2021, 01:54:54 PM
Few more photos showing "hidden" differences in Cards
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on February 19, 2021, 07:06:37 PM
All of the photos in two previous post are mine and can be used in SAKWiki.

I also have some photos from the internet that show Gen.1 Card (all solid black too) that looks almost identical to Gen.2 (even has that inner marking for scissors) but doesn't have a protractor. Inscription above the card is changed to "10 Functions" (7 features is omitted) and has a newer PN at the back cover (0.7133).
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 20, 2021, 04:01:36 AM
Thanks Nele     :tu:

We'll definitely get these into the SCard Gallery - Need to work out how to use them on the page via links or direct etc etc   
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: bismouth on March 30, 2021, 10:22:34 AM
One little information about the Rescue tool variation with the black handle and the nylon-velcro pouch...

The ref is: 08623.MW3

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on April 02, 2021, 09:41:57 AM
SwissChamp XXL added. Not added to all the index pages though ;)

https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=SwissChamp+XXL
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on April 06, 2021, 01:27:24 PM
Check it out (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,82775.msg2229984.html#msg2229984)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on April 08, 2021, 04:28:39 AM
Hello Knights and SAK Editors

I thought that the model table in the Classic LE page was getting a bit cumbersome   ::)
So I have created an alternative format

The new one is about 60% the size of the original (1.5 screen-fulls vs 2.5 on my laptop)    :tu:

Both are on the page at the moment - New one at the bottom
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Classic+SD+Limited+Edition+Annual+Series

Which shall we go with?    ???     I am in two minds !     :think:
Slightly prettier format vs Save space and see more on the page     .... I am leaning towards the new one!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on April 08, 2021, 04:37:38 AM
Bugger - Just checked on a Smart phone
The table gets a bit screwed up due to text wrapping - Looks like we need to stick with the original.

Thoughts? Other ideas ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on April 08, 2021, 04:50:24 PM
The table gets a bit screwed up due to text wrapping - Looks like we need to stick with the original.
The original looks better in my opinion.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on April 13, 2021, 11:44:39 PM
Thanks Nick  ....... Agree ...... Back to the original    :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on April 14, 2021, 03:24:07 PM
Back to the original    :salute:
Thank you, Sir Huntsman!  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on April 30, 2021, 03:32:44 PM
Nick and Ralph, I forwarded you two an email I got through the sakwiki. When you have time :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on June 11, 2021, 02:14:45 AM
Thanks for the great addition  of Dave Arnold's book to the Books page Reinier and Jnoxyd

I re-organised the Additional Galleries a little - Creating a new subgallery for the books
Can be accessed by the gallery button right at the bottom of the right hand menu bar

The page is also due a minor restructure which I will get around to sometime

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on June 11, 2021, 07:16:15 AM
No problem. It was mostly Jnoxyd's work.

A book gallery makes sense. Thanks! It took me a while to find the gallery where the other book images were located. Probably not the best subgallery :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on June 11, 2021, 09:06:45 AM
Yes - Took me a while too - Was a bit of a mystery   :think:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on June 30, 2021, 04:44:14 AM
One little information about the Rescue tool variation with the black handle and the nylon-velcro pouch...
The ref is: 08623.MW3

Hey bismouth - Thanks so much for these details - The images are in the gallery and the page updated with links and model number
Apologies for taking so long to get around to this
Nele - Have not forgotten your Swisscard images !!   :popcorn:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on July 04, 2021, 06:31:22 AM
I have just made an amazing discovery .......  :D     :o     :tu:

As many of you know we have mainly jpeg images in the Wiki, however we do have a few pdf files - Which mainly feature in the Catalogues page.

One thing I never liked about that page is that when you click on a PDF catalogue it just got downloaded to the user's PC.  :(

I have just discovered that there is another option which, when a user clicks on the link, the catalogue is displayed     :woohoo:   
This is much friendlier for our users (way quicker too)    :tu:    ....  Of couse they can still download if they want to.

Very happy about that!!    :D    :D    :D

This discovery was triggered by some work that Max is doing on the catalogues.
He has found a fabulous document:
Everything you need to know about multi-tools and cutlery    - which was written by Victorinox in 2008 - It's really great
- I think MiniChamp may also have pointed out this document to us earlier.

Well it is in the Wiki now - So please go and have a look.
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Swiss+Army+Knife+Catalogs

Thanks Max
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on July 04, 2021, 07:29:22 AM
I have just discovered that there is another option which, when a user clicks on the link, the catalogue is displayed     :woohoo:   
This is much friendlier for our users (way quicker too)    :tu:    ....  Of couse they can still download if they want to.
:like:

So please go and have a look.
It works great for me.  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on July 04, 2021, 03:34:08 PM
I have just made an amazing discovery .......  :D     :o     :tu:

As many of you know we have mainly jpeg images in the Wiki, however we do have a few pdf files - Which mainly feature in the Catalogues page.

One thing I never liked about that page is that when you click on a PDF catalogue it just got downloaded to the user's PC.  :(

I have just discovered that there is another option which, when a user clicks on the link, the catalogue is displayed     :woohoo:   
This is much friendlier for our users (way quicker too)    :tu:    ....  Of couse they can still download if they want to.

Very happy about that!!    :D    :D    :D

This discovery was triggered by some work that Max is doing on the catalogues.
He has found a fabulous document:
Everything you need to know about multi-tools and cutlery    - which was written by Victorinox in 2008 - It's really great
- I think MiniChamp may also have pointed out this document to us earlier.

Well it is in the Wiki now - So please go and have a look.
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Swiss+Army+Knife+Catalogs

Thanks Max

My pleasure  :hatsoff: I'm still digesting the document, some good Sunday afternoon reading.  :salute:

I have another 106 Victorinox and related documents that I've pulled off the web, that I still need to work my way through to see if there are any other gems. I think I may start a separate thread to begin listing these and seeing what interest they garner.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: BPRoberts on September 11, 2021, 11:57:03 PM
Could I get a passcode? Saw a few edits I wanted to make while poking around today, and realized I can't sign up to make them.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: pfrsantos on September 28, 2021, 05:15:06 PM
Could I get a passcode? Saw a few edits I wanted to make while poking around today, and realized I can't sign up to make them.

OR... you could list the pages/text you think should be edited and let the current admins take care of it, in case the editing is indeed needed.

 :tu: :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: xfile on October 04, 2021, 01:11:47 PM
I added moose pictures to the home page of the Modeler and Canadian Wildlife Series.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Aloha on October 04, 2021, 02:55:05 PM
Just stopping in to say a great big Thank You to all who work so hard on SAKwiki.  Every time I access information I am reminded how much time you all put into this tremendous resource. 

 :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on October 18, 2021, 10:03:36 PM
Thanks Aloha, my contributions have been sparse recently, but I've just updated the Classic page which was missing the Classic Colors and Classic Precious Alox Collections, both new for 2021.

35 new identifiers - I had to list the new names. My favorite description is Cupcake Dream.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on October 18, 2021, 11:31:44 PM
Thanks Max - Great stuff - Yes a very obvious omission     :tu:

I am soooooo glad you listed the nunmbers horizontally in their groups not vertically     :o

Just a thought - Should we put the name of the group at the beginning of the list rather than at the end? Maybe following a group identifier - Or even first as a 'title' for the line?      ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on October 18, 2021, 11:48:47 PM
PS. I never even knew about the Precious Alox series - That's really 'hot off the press'
Lots of sites do not have an image yet - But they are there on Victorinox.com

They look really nice - Biut pretty pricey - It seems - $50 usd
And the classic red - sorry iconic red is definitely the best ...... IMHO

It really is an interesting shift for Vic to releae all these colour choices on the Classic
I wish they'd offer them on the Rambler! Which is a so much better model.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on October 19, 2021, 02:14:12 AM
Question here about the origin of the Lumberjack model name.

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,84383.new.html#new

Can anyone help?   ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on October 19, 2021, 08:17:40 PM
Thanks Max - Great stuff - Yes a very obvious omission     :tu:

I am soooooo glad you listed the nunmbers horizontally in their groups not vertically     :o

Just a thought - Should we put the name of the group at the beginning of the list rather than at the end? Maybe following a group identifier - Or even first as a 'title' for the line?      ???

Thanks Huntsman - yes these listing could benefit from neater formatting. Have a look...  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on October 19, 2021, 11:13:58 PM
Beautiful - A nested list - Love it - Very neat

 :tu:    :)    :cheers:

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on October 20, 2021, 06:51:53 PM
 :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: xfile on November 05, 2021, 03:49:19 AM
I added the picture of ampoule cutter to the Class homepage. It is an interesting tool. I think it should also be added to the homepage of 58mm tool, but I am not familiar with the operation.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 05, 2021, 08:16:05 AM
That's cool, I don't think I had ever heard of that before.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on November 05, 2021, 10:10:59 AM
That's cool, I don't think I had ever heard of that before.

Me neither. :tu:

Too bad it isn't an advertisement SAK so we would know for whom it was made.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: xfile on November 05, 2021, 01:47:34 PM
Me neither. :tu:

Too bad it isn't an advertisement SAK so we would know for whom it was made.
There are slight concave and convex marks on the back of it. I can see the letters "fastum gel" by reflecting with a magnifying glass.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on November 14, 2021, 10:53:49 AM
That's cool, I don't think I had ever heard of that before.

Me neither, as a Pharmacist, I now need one badly to go into the display  :angel: (already have Wengerinox spatulas)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on November 16, 2021, 07:47:27 PM
Me neither. :tu:

Too bad it isn't an advertisement SAK so we would know for whom it was made.

I have a Signature with ampoule cutter and it has Ranidil ad...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 16, 2021, 09:39:14 PM
Thanks for the addition xfile - Nice one - It's a fascinating variation.

Also for the additional piccie Nele.
Just noticed on Nele's piccie that it looks as if the nail-file area has been moved over towards the ridged edge - Or part of the blade has been removed by the grooves.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Simon_Templar on December 04, 2021, 09:35:53 AM
Dear Huntsman,

I wonder it there are any plans to update the (91mm) "current models 2020"  table on SAKWiki? While the Swisschamp XXL is absent, the discontinued AVTs are still shown. Earlier this year rumor also had it the Spartan Lite was discontinued, but I believe this was a hoax (one can still order it online at Victorinox')

The interesting question is if such updated table had to show a Climber Lite. One might be inclined to say no given that it is not a regular model. On the other hand, the Winter Magic 2021 is still readily available as I write this and SAKWiki already features a Climber Lite in its 91 mm list...


Cheers,

Simon
Title: Re: Bin dwing sum wrk in da Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 06, 2021, 04:37:34 AM
Yes - Thanks for this Simon - I guess you are talking about the layer and alpha model pages for the 91mms

It all got a bit confusing with all the rumours of discontinued models flying around a few months ago
However I guess we can say for sure that the electronic scales models have gone and the XXL is here - So I updated those in the model pages.

Re. the Climber Lite: I did not think we shoudl have a page for that as it is a special edition (maybe could have been a variation on the Climber) Of course it features in the Christmas page either way.  - Howver it's fine that that page is there.

What did you mean about the Winter Magic Pioneer X? - That is in the Wiki as a variation of the PX - And also in the Christmas page
- Is that OK?    ???

Thanks again for the reminder - This is what keep the Wiki going !!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on December 10, 2021, 09:01:56 PM
I've been thinking of making some updated posters (especially for 91mm), but I'm waiting to see what 2022 will bring (so I don't have to update them again)  :whistle:  :drink:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 11, 2021, 12:30:19 AM
 :like: :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 04, 2022, 12:39:12 PM
Couple of questions here regarding the digital functions in various models

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,88658.new.html#new

If anyone has any coments or anything to add it would be much appreciated :tu:

Thanks
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: proletenstahl on January 06, 2022, 03:19:43 AM
I just added a note on the Super Tinker that it used to be called the Traveller PD in Japan. I had noticed it on used knives, but retailers still usually have a note under Super Tinkers to point out the old name.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 07, 2022, 01:09:21 AM
Great thanks.

Well the old/original version of the Climber was called the Traveller - So I guess PD stands for Phillips Drive?  ???    :think:
Maybe worth mentioning this on the page - and in the Traveller section of the Climber page?

What do you think folks? 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 26, 2022, 11:16:47 PM
We created a few new galleries for all the SAK images some time ago - and added three more 93mm galleries recently

https://sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=37

Weird that we have hit a round number of views (multiple of 10) for four of the galleries at exactly the same time
Especially the Farmer gallery. Now that is a very nice round number !!   :climber:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on January 29, 2022, 12:05:37 PM
We created a few new galleries for all the SAK images some time ago - and added three more 93mm galleries recently
:like: That's great!

Weird that we have hit a round number of views (multiple of 10) for four of the galleries at exactly the same time
Especially the Farmer gallery. Now that is a very nice round number !!   :climber:
A lot of farmers around?  :dunno: :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on April 05, 2022, 11:40:05 AM
I attempted to patch the software for the sakwiki yesterday and it went a little sideways, all restored but any changes from early yesterday are lost.

sorry.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Tasky on April 05, 2022, 12:12:59 PM
I added the picture of ampoule cutter to the Class homepage. It is an interesting tool. I think it should also be added to the homepage of 58mm tool, but I am not familiar with the operation.
Ampoules are basically little bottle-shaped vials made entirely of glass, with the contents hermetically sealed inside at the point of manufacture. To use this tool, you saw a nick all the way around the upper end, then snap the top off.
Some ampoules come with a nick already scribed into the glass, and for those that don't there are plenty of dedicated tools for scribing and snapping... I always thought that you'd risk getting glass swarf contaminating the medication, but I guess it's not that much of an issue, given how they still use ampoules today.

It's a cool tool idea, but looks a bit like the sort of naff, half-arsed modification that I would make a mess of. I'd have preferred a wider border around the file, to account for the inset of the saw teeth.
Also makes me wonder if there's a little woodsaw version...!


I attempted to patch the software for the sakwiki yesterday and it went a little sideways, all restored but any changes from early yesterday are lost.
sorry.
Yeah, I noticed that... I wondered why it was on the fritz, but assumed someone was working on something and sure enough it was back a little while later.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: vericio_brazil on May 27, 2022, 07:49:05 PM
Hi,

To whom should I send a picture to be added at SAKWiki?

I’ve just bought a knife from the Classic Zodiac Series that isn’t in SAKWiki’s gallery (Leo).

TIA!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on May 27, 2022, 11:25:36 PM
Great - Thanks - PM inbound

Or just post it here  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: vericio_brazil on May 27, 2022, 11:36:02 PM
Great!

You have a PM and an email.

 :climber:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on May 28, 2022, 01:45:01 PM
This is great - Thanks Vericio    :tu:    It one of the images we had missing from that page - Brilliant   :tu:
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Zodiac+Series
Don't 'spose you have Aquarius?  ???
I have credited you on the image - Image courtesy of Vericio from MultiTool.org in Brazil - Is that is OK?

It's a great inlay, the SAK is in perfect condition - And it's a really good photo 

Thanks again
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: vericio_brazil on May 28, 2022, 05:40:06 PM
It’s my pleasure to help.

Aquarius, Aries and Cancer are the knives from this series I’m still looking for.

I’ve just PM you again.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: vericio_brazil on May 29, 2022, 01:23:41 PM
Don't 'spose you have Aquarius?  ???

Huntsman,

I’ve just sent you pictures of Aquarius knife.  :woohoo:

Check your email.  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on June 07, 2022, 11:58:38 PM
Hey Knights

Geart news we finally got our Zodiac Series page compete ...  after about 10 years!!!  ..... Alll missing images present and correct

Thanks very much Vericio and Marc Calabria (marcsarmyknives)     :tu:

It's really great when members help us out with the Wiki     :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: vericio_brazil on June 09, 2022, 01:36:28 AM

Thanks very much Vericio and Marc Calabria (marcsarmyknives)     :tu:

It's really great when members help us out with the Wiki     :salute:

It’s really my pleasure to help.

Now I just need the 2 knives missing on my Zodiac collection.  :gimme:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on June 27, 2022, 05:29:00 PM
@Huntsman

Here's a Victorinox 2021 Classic Colours Collection "poster" in higher resolution you asked for. It's 100% Vic's design, I just enlarged it, so no credits  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on June 28, 2022, 05:00:19 PM
Thanks Nele - It's in
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: charlie fox on July 22, 2022, 02:04:11 PM
Sorry if this is the wrong place. I did a search but the last entries found were from 2012!

How do I register on SAKWiki? It asks for an Administrator Password. TIA
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on July 28, 2022, 01:00:48 PM
Sorry if this is the wrong place. I did a search but the last entries found were from 2012!

How do I register on SAKWiki? It asks for an Administrator Password. TIA

PM inbound
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Antti Lammi on July 28, 2022, 07:19:56 PM
erm gotta ask where is 108mm line on Sakwiki, i see 111mm and 100mm but not 108mm. i know how to see that 108mm page but its missing on on list to get on 108mm just addres line like https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+108mm and i can acces to it
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on July 28, 2022, 10:59:22 PM
erm gotta ask where is 108mm line on Sakwiki, i see 111mm and 100mm but not 108mm. i know how to see that 108mm page but its missing on on list to get on 108mm just addres line like https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+108mm and i can acces to it

It's in the side/bottom module :think:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on July 29, 2022, 02:17:59 PM
Check again !!  ;)
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Knife+List
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Antti Lammi on August 05, 2022, 07:07:23 AM
Check again !!  ;)
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Knife+List
Nice work


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on August 14, 2022, 08:34:39 PM
If anyone has time and is willing to pick up my slack forom 7 years ago :facepalm: an email i got recently reminded me this page needs updating

https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+Patrouille+des+Glaciers+Series

Here's more info and pics on the series...

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=58968.0
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: BPRoberts on September 11, 2022, 06:24:18 PM
Working on some updates, mostly on available/unavailable models. Dropping this partially to see if anyone has info/ideas, and partially to have a to do list.

Confirmed Disco:
Full 74mm range (done)

Possibly Disco?

Need Updates

I know we've reached out to Vic directly in the past on discontinued models with mixed results. Figured I'd bounce it off the board's brain before I attempt the potential frustration.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on September 12, 2022, 12:15:51 PM
Hey BPR - Welcome to SAKWiki editing - Great to have you on board and thanks for your help.

Yes the whole topic of unavailability/withdrawals has been very confusing with lots of contradictrory information over the last couple of years.
And the Vic website cannot be taken as a source of truth as they do not always show all availabe models (even on the main .com site).  Vic thenselves acknowledged this and stated that the catalogues were the definitive source of truth - Although i did not see a new one for about 4 yrs  2017>2021 !!!     :pok:    :twak:

Here's my comments on your comments
 
Confirmed Discon:
Full 74mm range (done)
H - Is this really the case? The Executive is still showing in the latest catalogue we have - Although this is 2021

Possibly Discon?
H - Yep heard that rumour - Would make sense as they are pretty expensive compared to regular flash drives 
H - Had not heard that one!   
H - Well I have a theory that Vic are biased against backside SDs  ;) - Keep meaning to make a post on this!! I would imagine Vic/Delemont SDs different
H -  I had noticed that the smaller one seemed to have gone - But a shame if both have gone

Need Updates
H -  Yes that woudl be great - Been outstanding for a long time
H -  I did discussed this with NeleDo a while ago - He might porduce some updates.
I have mixed feelings about this  - as these images are really great - They are dated and the list above does show current - Also this could be a constantly ongoing task as models change!!
I think it would be a shame to make them with fewer models.  - Nele was wondering about maybe keeping model quantity the same - But having  a discon section at the bottom?  ???

H - This was intentional !!!   :o
The asterixes are marked against the group that has the smallest number to reduce nunmber of asterixes and improve aesthetics!!   :think: 
So fewer 111mm models are withdrawn than available and fewer 91mm models are available than withdrawn !!  .....  :tu:
Hopefully the text is clear on this - However if people find this confusing or inconsistent - It could be changed ???     :think: 

 

I know we've reached out to Vic directly in the past on discontinued models with mixed results. Figured I'd bounce it off the board's brain before I attempt the potential frustration.

H - A mail to Vic would be great to see if we could get a definitive position on the discons
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: BPRoberts on September 13, 2022, 03:38:37 AM
For the 74s I have email "confirmation" from Vic in this thread: https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,88257.30.html

Granted, someone else got an email from them saying they were still making them a couple months later... and Vic also told me the Compact got discontinued last year...

However I was also told by email (and then verbally this summer) by the guys at Casco Bay Cutlery/VSAKCS that they're discontinued, and I do trust them.

I personally think it makes more sense to be consistent on the asterisks, though I understand the "less is more" logic.  Just my 2c.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Farmer X on September 13, 2022, 09:05:16 AM
I've done some pretty minor work in the Wiki: correcting an error on the Fieldmaster page. As time allows, I'll poke around a little more and see where else I might be able to do some decent quality edits.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on September 13, 2022, 11:56:44 AM
Thanks mate - Good job

Looking forward to many more  and ........

Wiki Editor Badge Awarded !!!!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Echotech on September 14, 2022, 12:04:38 AM
Great work all of you, SAKWIKI is the business and we’re lucky having you do all the work on it that you do

:salute: :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Aloha on September 15, 2022, 12:22:37 AM
 :hatsoff:

Massive thank you to all who contribute.  Getting the Zodiac series completed is amazing work.  Just goes to show what dedicated and generous folk we have. 

Again, a massive thank you to all.    :2tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: BPRoberts on September 20, 2022, 02:53:10 AM
Just wanted to confirm with someone else before I make the update. The VSAKCS knife for '21 is listed as a Deluxe Tinker. Mine (from the second run) is clearly a Super Tinker 1.4703.7R2. Was the first run a Deluxe and they switched, or did someone make a mistake on the wiki?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on September 20, 2022, 06:34:07 AM
No mistake in the Wiki

The one you have is not the VSACKS 2021 Club model

Jason is the preseident of VSACKS
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on September 20, 2022, 12:00:27 PM
The ..... 135mm pages use asterisks for unavailable models. Most other pages use them for available.
I think they should be in line with the others, but wanted to make sure there wasn't some reasoning behind it first.[/li][/list]

Assume you meant the 130mm Delemonts

I looked at that page and as the whole model list fits onto one screen including the informational message about the asterixes

I could not bring myself to remove two asterixes and replace them with 18 !!!   
So I left as is ...........   >:D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: BPRoberts on September 20, 2022, 01:26:30 PM
No mistake in the Wiki

The one you have is not the VSACKS 2021 Club model

Jason is the preseident of VSACKS

Confirmed that the original was a Deluxe and the "second run" is a Super (which I guess I should still add to the page once I can get a better pic.) Worked out for me, I'd rather carry a Super anyway. Interestingly, the original announcement in the newsletter listed it as a Super.

Sounds good on the asterisks solution.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Farmer X on September 22, 2022, 05:47:24 PM
I've made a couple of minor edits to the Wenger Viking (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Viking) and Wenger Commander (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Commander) pages
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on September 29, 2022, 06:11:46 AM
Nice one FX - Thanks

Looks like Victorinox have copied our Damascus Wiki page!!
https://www.victorinox.com/global/en/Victorinox-Damast-Collection/cms/damast-collection?utm_source=Klaviyo%20campaign&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PERF%2020220927%20-%20Kitchen-Damast%3A%20EN%3A%20CUT&_kx=qfcpN0Mlfjg7yJH9N33VFclckFvM0QJCbaQbDbbnu4o%3D.HqJQFj

Not as good as ours mind!!!   ;)

https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Damascus+Limited+Editions
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Echotech on September 29, 2022, 06:30:23 AM
 :like: :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: proletenstahl on November 12, 2022, 01:25:44 PM
Having emailed Victorinox customer service, I added the years that the 84 mm Golfer (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Golfer+84mm) was offered with the long nail file.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 13, 2022, 12:18:03 AM
Thanks mate - Great stuff     :tu:   :salute:    :tu:    :salute:

Would you care to also add this info to the LNF page - It would be good there too (or I can do it)

Big thanks  to Nick4 4 the recent updates to the Classic page for the Solemate and Brilliant Classic series and also for the 2022 Christmas model -
Great work Nick  :salute:    :tu:   :salute:    :tu:    :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: proletenstahl on November 13, 2022, 08:32:57 AM
Would you care to also add this info to the LNF page - It would be good there too (or I can do it)

Done!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 13, 2022, 02:31:49 PM
 :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on November 14, 2022, 10:37:12 AM
Great work Nick
My pleasure.  :salute: 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on November 16, 2022, 03:13:13 PM
In case you need a nice photo of entire Signature 2 family (except for Black onyx)...

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,90008.0.html

Feer free to use it in Wiki, as usual.  :whistle:  ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Aloha on November 16, 2022, 03:54:28 PM
 :hatsoff: to those who keep the WIKI an amazing resource.  Thank you. 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 17, 2022, 07:08:02 AM
Great photo Nele - It's in - Also found another image of the two pen versions in the gallery - so added that too.

The page looks much much better now.
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Signature

And thanks for the thanks Aloha - It's much appreciated to be appreciated  ;)

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Aloha on November 19, 2022, 03:45:02 AM
The page looks great.  Now to find a Signature Laser Classic  :ahhh
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on November 21, 2022, 01:29:34 PM
The page looks great.  Now to find a Signature Laser Classic  :ahhh
Without SD tip on the file? Haven't seen that one yet, not even in photos.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 26, 2022, 02:09:21 AM
I try to get more informations about the Wenger Evolution 565 - actually it’s not in the SAKWiki - maybe we get a new article for this model...

Updated the Wenger 64 page with this one - Thanks
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: proletenstahl on November 29, 2022, 07:56:10 AM
Do we need a photo of an old cross Solo Alox (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Solo+Alox)? I have one that's not beaten up. Or is it better not to clutter the page?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 30, 2022, 01:23:31 AM
Red or sliver ?  Not that it matters to the Wiki page ;)

Sure - You could replace the stock photo at the top of the page

Or maybe move the bottom photo up a bit and pop it under there

We do like to keep images away from the heavy text areas - ie usually the History and Variations - as is the case here - and put images into white space.

Or you could just put it in as a link on the page somewhere .......  So many options  :)

This is the command to do that
[tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=1234|image name]

Thanks for your help
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 16, 2022, 07:36:51 AM
Little piece of Wiki work on the SwissChamp SOS kits - FYI - And comments
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,81813.msg2385995.html#msg2385995
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: bismouth on December 19, 2022, 12:21:30 PM
Some intels for the wiki:

- It seems that some version of the cybertool bit driver have a hole, visible on some XLT version (old version with grey magnifier?)

pics here: https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,90188.msg2383271.html#msg2383271

- The sentinal appeared as a belgian army version with the 0.8413.3M3BE ref

pics here: https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,90275.msg2386765.html#msg2386765


great work !
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Vitor Pereira on December 23, 2022, 06:11:34 PM
My 1950s/60s fisherman. From what I've read here it seems it's from somewhere between 1954 and 1961. I believe it's model 135faU.
It's been in the family from new, my father bought it for my much older brother when he was young and then he gave it back to my father who ended giving it to me.

The following helped me date it:


 I've seen the year when exposed rivets went away somewhere but can't find it anymore. Does anyone know? That would help narrow it down further.

I doesn't have the fish inlay, as seen in some 50s catalogs it seems the early models didn't have it.

One thing that doesn't add up from this page http://victorinox.metodi.me/91mmtools.php (http://victorinox.metodi.me/91mmtools.php) is the can opener, mine doesn't have the PAT logo which would according to the page make it a post 1980 model. I know this knife is in its original state and has never had anything repaired or replaced apart from the tweezers. It's also currently missing the single scissor spring and the shackle is all bent out of shape and disconnected from one of the rivets.

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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: enki_ck on December 24, 2022, 09:13:41 AM
Glad to see you here. And to see the actual SAK in question. :tu:

Hopefully some of our more experienced SAK historians can narrow down the production year.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Vitor Pereira on December 24, 2022, 10:04:40 AM
Glad to see you here. And to see the actual SAK in question. :tu:

Hopefully some of our more experienced SAK historians can narrow down the production year.

Thank you for your warm welcome and for replying to me email with the registration code. Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 24, 2022, 03:43:13 PM
Welcome - Lovely old SAK and great family history :2tu:

We have the rivets going internal in '57 here:

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,51872.0.html
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Vitor Pereira on December 24, 2022, 03:56:03 PM
Welcome - Lovely old SAK and great family history :2tu:

We have the rivets going internal in '57 here:

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,51872.0.html

Thank you, found it in the meanwhile and just posted there. That narrows it down to 57-61 (ish).
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on January 25, 2023, 05:57:02 PM
As promised... I didn't include some info/descriptions of already known things...

Survival-Kits / SOS-Sets info:

Kit A 1985 - 2000 (from 1991 named Small SOS Kit/Set):
-   1.8810 (US 5600 & 53511)
Single black leather pouch 4.0567(.03) and SwissChamp red 1.6795
-   1.8810.3 (US 5602 & 53513)
Single black leather pouch 4.0567(.03) and SwissChamp black 1.6795.3
-   1.8810.4 (or 1.8810.04) 1985 - 1996
Single olive nylon pouch 4.0567.04 and SwissChamp red 1.6795

Kit B until circa 1991 (Deluxe SOS Kit)
-   1.8812 (US 5603)
Single slightly larger black leather pouch 4.0558.03 and SwissChamp red 1.6795
-   1.8812.4 (or 1.8812.04)
Single slightly larger olive nylon pouch 4.0558.04 and SwissChamp red 1.6795

Kit C from circa 1991 (Large/Big /Deluxe Survival Kit)
-   1.8812 (US 53521)
Double black leather pouch 4.0568.03 and SwissChamp red 1.6795
-   1.8812.3
Double black leather pouch 4.0568.03 and SwissChamp black 1.6795.3
-   1.8812.04 1991 - 1996
Double olive nylon pouch 4.0568.04 and SwissChamp red 1.6795

Kit D (or C plus) 1991 - 2003 (Large/Big /Deluxe SOS Kit with watch)
-   1.8816
Double black leather pouch 4.0568.03 and SwissChamp SuperTimer red 1.6796
-   1.8816.3
Double black leather pouch 4.0568.03 and SwissChamp SuperTimer black 1.6796.3
-   1.8816.04
Double olive nylon pouch 4.0568.04 and SwissChamp SuperTimer red 1.6796


Most of the info is from “SAMMLER- UND SONDEREDITIONEN“ by Victorinox and available Victorinox catalogs.

I found different product numbers for US market (4 digit are older) but I'm not sure when the change occured (I guess around 1991). Different names (Big/Large/Deluxe) were used in different markets for Kit C (German: Grosses)

They had three main "combinations" of SwissChamps and pouches: red SC in black leather pouch, black SC in black leather pouch and red SC in olive nylon pouch, but some other may have existed in different markets. Also, some Kits (pouch and accessories) were sold separately from the SwissChamp so a customer could put any SAK other than a SC or a SC in different colour.

Earlier leather pouches had loops on side pockets instead of Velcro and didn’t have “.03” extension on pouch number at the back. Number marking olive nylon pouch was changed from “.4” to “.04” probably to avoid confusion from “.X” being used for SC scale colour.

I hope you'll find this useful!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Barry Rowland on January 25, 2023, 10:11:47 PM
Thank you!  I love these kits and would like to find one.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 26, 2023, 04:21:31 AM
As promised... I didn't include some info/descriptions of already known things...
........
I hope you'll find this useful!  :cheers:

We most certainly do     :tu:     8)
Great stuff Nele and thanks for all your research    :salute:

I have moved the SOS info from the SC page to the SOS page and added your info as a section below.
The SOS page was already marked as under development - So that comment can stay

The page is WIP and we can consolidate the sections - and add pictures etc - as and when
But at least we don't have an empty page anymore - and all the info we know is in the one place

Brilliant     :D    :D    :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on January 26, 2023, 10:00:13 AM
We most certainly do     :tu:     8)
Great stuff Nele and thanks for all your research    :salute:

I have moved the SOS info from the SC page to the SOS page and added your info as a section below.
The SOS page was already marked as under development - So that comment can stay

The page is WIP and we can consolidate the sections - and add pictures etc - as and when
But at least we don't have an empty page anymore - and all the info we know is in the one place

Brilliant     :D    :D    :D

Thanks! It's always a pleasure to contribute to our beloved SAKWiki  :salute: Looking forward to seeing the SOS page "completed"  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 01, 2023, 06:54:54 AM
I had a crack at the new consolidated SOS page

Please review and feel free to comment or edit etc etc

https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=SOS+Kit

I left the previous content below the new page for checking if neccy

Thanks Nele and everyone for your help
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on February 02, 2023, 02:51:54 PM
If Vic "continues to discontinue" models the way they started, I'll be able to put all of they models in one single poster...  :think:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 02, 2023, 09:49:57 PM
Yes

I think we should leave the posters as is - As they are really great and most are dated - eg Current SAKs as at 2020
We can add comments (if necessary) to those sections and make it clear that users can refer to the lists (above) to check which are current/dicontinued

Just MHO!!    :think:    What do other people think?   ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 03, 2023, 08:01:31 AM
Hey Guys,

I received a PM from a newish member notifying me of an error in the Wiki - He kindly sent a PM rather than posting it here.
But I had to tell you all about it as it is so funny ........


Hello,

I don't know if you are the right address for this. I don't want to be a grammar nazi, but in the WIKI page is written 'asterix'.
I think that is asterisk.

Asterix is the friend of Obelix in the comics  ;)

BR,
****

So correcting me in my native language !!!    :pok:    :o   
This error was on several, but strangely not all, of the alpha list pages (denoting discontinued etc)

So hopefully it is fixed now .......
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Echotech on February 03, 2023, 08:15:58 AM
:rofl:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mitch-O on February 03, 2023, 03:35:03 PM
Is this just a coincidence??? ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 03, 2023, 11:20:04 PM
That is some weird coincidence    :o

Are you sure you did not photoshop?    :pok:    ;)

 .... Maybe search history?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mitch-O on February 03, 2023, 11:36:10 PM
The only explanation I see is that when I searched Asterix in Google it pushed the advertise for the new movie down in the ad part of the screen.

Google is OK, but it also bombards our minds with all the trash of the internet. I wouldn't mind if it was something usable. But as we see, you search for something by the way and you already receive commercial stuff for it.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: VistaMN on March 05, 2023, 02:25:02 AM
Hello,
I have a 7-layer 85mm Wenger that is not listed in the wiki.  It is in between the Monarch and the Colonel.  It could be a Colonel which has the nail file instead of the small clip point blade or it could be a Monarch that has a Corkscrew instead of the Phillips.  I’m new here so pardon any conduct faux pas.  Here is an image of the knife and tools.
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Regards,
VistaMN
(http://)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 09, 2023, 08:23:22 AM
That’s great vista
Thanks so much for posting
What shall we call it?
I don’t think we’ll have a new page just a variation of one of the others - which should it be?
What does everyone think?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: VistaMN on March 10, 2023, 03:51:02 PM
That’s great vista
Thanks so much for posting
What shall we call it?
I don’t think we’ll have a new page just a variation of one of the others - which should it be?
What does everyone think?
My research leads me to think that this is a (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230310/dfc58cf2a2f15ffcc3bd0eff8575dd71.jpg)
1.25.03
Thanks to Basilio for the image.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on March 11, 2023, 03:01:57 PM
It looks like something between Colonel 1..25.13 (has clip point small blade instead of nail file) and Monarch 1.26.03 (has phillips instead of corkscrew). Not sure if it has a name of its own.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 24, 2023, 06:52:22 AM
The new SOS page has had quite a bit more work done on it now and it's looking really great.
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=SOS+Kit

There's a few other new pages for the Brilliant SDs, the watch strap change tool, the crazy weld seam testing tool and knife
All thanks to Nick4

Please check them out

Updates can always be checked here:
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-listpages.php?cookietab=1#tab1
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Echotech on March 24, 2023, 08:26:17 AM
Looks great on my iPhone except for the table of contents at the top as per picture below. Everything else is working fine and looks really good

I really like the related models with pictures and the page layout, a very interesting SAK

Thanks to Huntsman and all involved for your fine work on SAKWIKI :hatsoff: :tu:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230324/fa6e0213f62b7c18db13c15df0ef9d04.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on March 24, 2023, 07:43:04 PM
Fixed...my little contribution to an excellent page on the Wiki!

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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Echotech on March 25, 2023, 04:50:06 AM
:tu: :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 31, 2023, 04:21:44 AM
Thanks Max,

Very fitting that the initiator and creator of the page makes the final (???) edit.   :cheers:    :D

I was going to suggest another solution to ET and that is to turn the phone 90° into landscape mode and you don't get the problem    :pok:    ;)
Also I was not too keen on the new format as one of my missions in the Wiki is getting rid of white (grey) space and the image nicely filled the grey space by the toc!

However on reflection I like the conformity to other pages better  :tu:  and of course having a decent smart phone rendering of the page trumps filling a few square cm of grey space   :o

I did have one further thought on the new format - Should we move the picture section to below the variations?
Not a big deal either way is fine - I wont change it - Just throwing out a thought!
 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on March 31, 2023, 08:47:22 PM
Hello Huntsman, I'm pleased I could offer a little edit  :salute:

Yes, I think it would look better to have the image section above the pouches, after the variations section. A small change but it will probably look better.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: 11sumos on July 10, 2023, 02:05:04 PM
Dear sirs here’s a picture of the deluxe leather sos set from 1989, after doing research I think the double pouch came after this .
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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on July 10, 2023, 03:25:03 PM
Hi 11sumos

Welcome to MTo - And thanks for the pic - Yes I think we are in agreement with each other

Actually can we use this pic in the Wiki please - As we don't have an image of the Deluxe kit - Thanks
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Gio_Luso on July 20, 2023, 01:09:43 PM
Welcome to MTo.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on September 21, 2023, 10:39:47 AM
After a few years, someone on FB noticed I accidentally switched names and PNs of Delemont Juniors 03 and 09. Here is the corrected version of the poster. I sincerely apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on September 21, 2023, 01:56:14 PM
Thanks so much Nele - That was quick work   :salute:

I sincerely apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused.  :cheers:
Don't be silly -  :twak:    Very likely this was never noticed, or caused any confusion/issue until now
And the benefits of these amazing images, and the work to create them, far outweigh any tiny error like this!!

I'll upload it now

PS. And as I said on FB - IT's Wenger's silly numbering system that caused the error
In what world is 09 smaller then 03

PPS. Glad to see you still left it at the 2020 models -
A nice full picture - with a date - is better then a later one where models start to drop out!!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mattexian on September 30, 2023, 05:12:01 AM
Would prototypes be eligible for entry? I had a wild hair to look for Aussie-themed models, like an "Outback" or "Walkabout" and sure enough I found a factory prototype,  long gone, from arizonacustomknives.com in their archive. (Search under the name and "sold" as parameters.)

I reckon if one liked the pattern enough, one could be cobbled from an OHT by dropping the opener layer, tho you'd still have the backside tool, like the old Cowboy and Alpineer.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230930/ec96daecdb74aacb0cee08319c3c92ea.jpg)

Sent from my SM-N976U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on October 12, 2023, 11:22:20 PM
We don't usually include prototypes or customs.

This one here looks like a Sentinel ?   ???  Edit: Ah just seen it has a saw

And $449 as the original price?    :think:   You gotta be kidding
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on November 21, 2023, 09:54:27 AM
Picture of the Deluxe Kit posted above is from a Victorinox SAB 1991 catalog.

As for the "prototype", I have the same one but with a clip at the back and it's not the only one I've seen (but not too many and not on any website or in any of the catalogs). I assume it was made as a part of B2B offer (if I remember correctly some of those had ads or graphics on the front scale).

Here's mine  ;)

P.S. On Vic 84mm general page between the Family Poster and the poster itself there's a typo "This image is of the of the currently..."
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 21, 2023, 02:29:07 PM
Thanks Nele

But I dont see any error on the 84mm page ;)

What are we goin to do about tis prototype?
Sentinel variation ???n  / fieldmaster variation ???  / own page  ???

Suggestions on a postcard please
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on November 21, 2023, 03:34:43 PM
Thanks Nele

But I dont see any error on the 84mm page ;)

What are we goin to do about tis prototype?
Sentinel variation ???n  / fieldmaster variation ???  / own page  ???

Suggestions on a postcard please
Sorry, my bad... all's fine on the 84mm page  ;) :cheers:

As for the prototype, I would go for "Sentinel variation" because we don't know much about it.

Sorry for not sending a postcard, PO doesn't work due to the holiday  :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 22, 2023, 12:53:23 AM
Sentinel variation ???  / fieldmaster variation ???  / own page  ???

Thanks Nele - I don't know why I typed Fieldmaster above - I mean to say Soldier .....  I'm loosing it  :(

But agree Sentinel variation makes sense - Also as no back tools - I'll use your image - Thanks mate
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: NeleDo on November 22, 2023, 06:27:58 PM
Thanks Nele - I don't know why I typed Fieldmaster above - I mean to say Soldier .....  I'm loosing it  :(

But agree Sentinel variation makes sense - Also as no back tools - I'll use your image - Thanks mate
Anytime mate  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 23, 2023, 01:56:31 AM
Hi SAK Fans,

There is a bit of a debate going on over here about how we describe the orange peeler in the Executive
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,91602.msg2450078.html#msg2450068

Please let us know your thoughts here or there!!   :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 27, 2023, 02:07:28 PM
Great spot by new member Zimbo Jay of an error in the awl tools page

This style awl was also used in the Wenger Professional series

It is corrected now

https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Reamer#Wenger
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: BPRoberts on January 20, 2024, 06:41:58 PM
I tried to upload this year's catalog to the wiki, but not sure what to actually do. Just gonna drop the link here for someone more knowledgeable.
https://exhibitorsearch.messefrankfurt.com/images/original/mics/10000001202401/0010074160/1702574004301_4129721016.pdf

85mm line and small Cybertool are gone (which I think we knew) and there's a new Swisscard style "smart card wallet" which I think is new news. I think there's more gardening/pruning knives than there used to be, but might just be ones I wasn't aware of.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 25, 2024, 11:11:50 PM
Thanks BPR - The catalogue is in the Wiki now - (Only admin can upload PDFs for security reasons )

Shall we mark all the models that are not in the 2024 catalogue as retired in the Wiki ?   ???    :think:

There has been so much change and speculation recently (Vic Spain etc etc)
And it is quite confusing as the website has models that are not in the catalogue - Eg  the 85mm Delemonts and the CT 29
Maybe these are still there because they have stock to use up?  ???

So the question is - Should the catalogue be the definitive source of current product line/availability?    :think:

PPS. It's interesting - As it used to be the other way around - ie there were models in the catalogue that were not on the website !!!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 25, 2024, 11:29:34 PM
PS.   Just did a very quick check on the 91mms and 111mms

There are lots of models not marked as retired in the various Wiki pages - That are not in the catalogue    :cry:     :(   

..... Or do we wait until they drop off the website?  ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: AzteCypher on February 26, 2024, 05:59:26 AM
In light of not having an "official" statement from Vic indicating that the models that do not appear in the catalog are actually discontinued, it would be hard to use the word "discontinued" as a definitive statement.

However, being that historically if a model does not appear in the catalog it usually means it's been discontinued even if there's backstock still left to sell.  I think we could use the verbiage "potentially discontinued", or something to that effect, until we can revisit the statement at a later date, perhaps somewhere closer to the end of the year.

That's my 2cents.  Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Simon_Templar on February 26, 2024, 03:34:34 PM
Thanks BPR - The catalogue is in the Wiki now - (Only admin can upload PDFs for security reasons )

Shall we mark all the models that are not in the 2024 catalogue as retired in the Wiki ?   ???    :think:

There has been so much change and speculation recently (Vic Spain etc etc)
And it is quite confusing as the website has models that are not in the catalogue - Eg  the 85mm Delemonts and the CT 29
Maybe these are still there because they have stock to use up?  ???

So the question is - Should the catalogue be the definitive source of current product line/availability?    :think:

PPS. It's interesting - As it used to be the other way around - ie there were models in the catalogue that were not on the website !!!

Hi Huntsman,

I guess it's a question of what's more important, convenience or topicality.

Although I have to admit that I would consider it a bit weird if the Wiki listed SAKs as discontinued while they can still be readily had at Vic's website, I reckon it would be asking too much of the Wiki moderators to constantly monitor Vic's webstore and match it against the catalogue. Furthermore, the catalogue shows us the near future, so marking something as "discontinued" which doesn't show up in the latest catalogue is not per se wrong imho.

Just my five cents.

Cheers,

Simon
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: marlowe221 on February 26, 2024, 06:10:59 PM
In light of not having an "official" statement from Vic indicating that the models that do not appear in the catalog are actually discontinued, it would be hard to use the word "discontinued" as a definitive statement.

However, being that historically if a model does not appear in the catalog it usually means it's been discontinued even if there's backstock still left to sell.  I think we could use the verbiage "potentially discontinued", or something to that effect, until we can revisit the statement at a later date, perhaps somewhere closer to the end of the year.

That's my 2cents.  Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk!

It does kind of raise the question - why doesn't Vic make a statement about these discontinuations themselves? Is this standard practice from the company?

I would be tempted to wait for an official statement from Victorinox, if we think that one will be forthcoming before the next ice age. If we can't expect to hear anything direct from the horse's mouth, as the saying goes, then the best we can do is to agree upon a set of criteria that qualifies as retirement/discontinuation for the Wiki and stick to it as best as possible.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 01, 2024, 07:04:06 AM
Thanks for the feddback chaps

@ AzteC - yes I had a thought along those lines - Maybe a statement like
Discontinued according to the 2024 catalogue  - And we can make that line a link to the catalogue

@Simon - Yes - That would be a bit odd!   :o

@Marlowe Yes - DO you think that would be through their newsletters ?? I had a quick look back and not much there

Anyway I have done the sensible thing !!!     :pok:     and sent a query through to Victorinox themselves
Unfortunately just through their website - As I don't have any special connections to the company
Lets see what they say!!      :popcorn:      :mail:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Aloha on March 02, 2024, 08:49:48 PM
Just wanted to stop by and say Thank you for all your hard work and contributions to the Wiki.   :hatsoff: to everyone. 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 03, 2024, 04:33:14 AM
 :D     :cheers:      :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 11, 2024, 01:55:44 PM
A colleague was asking how to upload to a sub-gallery so here is an Interim Temp Guide for uploading images to the Wiki:
Please see images below for steps 1&2


Please always check the sub-galleries - As most main size galleries have several sub-galleries

Full guide to follow in the next couple months.......


Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 11, 2024, 02:56:17 PM
See also this post
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,68075.msg2084343.html#msg2084343

I knew I'd written something on this before

Instructions for upload at the bottom of the post!!

Thanks
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 19, 2024, 03:04:46 PM
Beware the Ides of March

Friends, Knights, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury the Wiki knife page, not to praise it.
Bad pages can live on in the Wiki;
The good is oft disappeared in time;
So let it be with the blade page. The noble Huntsman
Hath told you the blade page was badly formatted:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath that page answer’d it.
Here, under leave of Huntsman and the rest–
For Huntsman is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men–
Come I to speak at the page’s demise.
It was a page I loved, faithful and accurate for me:
But Huntsman says there was too much white space;
And Huntsman is an honourable man.
The page has been with us for years
And hath satisfied many SAK collectors:
Was there a problem?
When questions were asked, the page delivered:
Bad formatting should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Huntsman says the images were small;
And Huntsman is an honourable man.
You all did see that across all of Facebook
Three thousands of users have accessed the page,
And their questions were answered: why should it change?
Yet Huntsman says it was a mess;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Huntsman spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love that page, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn it?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is with that page,
And I must pause till it come back to me.

So to leave be, or not to leave be
That is the question 
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The small images and white spaces of outrageous pages,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by opposing edit them.

Fellow Knights - It is for you to decide
Here is the old page
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=Knife+Blade&preview=148

And here the new:
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Knife+Blade


With apologies to WS, Mark Anthony and Hamlet
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on March 19, 2024, 11:36:56 PM
Beware the Ides of March
:like:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: AzteCypher on March 20, 2024, 04:42:40 AM
That's pretty good prose up there.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I mean not to offend the knights of old.
But if I may be so bold,

I must confess to thee
That the new page appeals to me


Your humble servant,
AC
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Echotech on March 20, 2024, 05:37:54 AM
New page looks great (I may be a little biased :D ) and resolves much better on my iPhone than the old page

Excellent prose H :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 20, 2024, 05:45:05 AM
@ AzteCypher    @ Echotech

 :like:    :hatsoff:    :D     8)   

@ AC - Your prose is much prettier than Mark Antony's - And much more concise!!   :tu: