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Tool Talk => Swiss Army Knights Forum => Topic started by: Gath on January 21, 2018, 01:56:35 PM
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Firstly, sorry for the clutter, as this story could fit another thread there.
Anyway the story. In November I noticed that a national chain dealing Victorinox had a clearance sale on almost all their Victorinox pocket tools and accessories, save some special limited editions like the jubileum, made for Finland's 100th birthday. Well I snatched a couple Spirit X:s one for me, one I sold to my brother at cost. I was quite content but began to wonder, will they really stop selling Victorinox tools? Later I started to wonder, if so what'll happen to their paraphernalia, specifically displays.
The pondering had slipped my mind for quite a while, but on January the fourth I decided to write an email to the importer. within I greeted them, gave condolences for the apparent loss of a major customer and then asked what'll happen to the displays. No answer it seems. Only on the 10th I checked my spam filter and discovered the sales manager had responded the same day, and had written a permission to give the displays to a collector for free!
So I emailed a humble request to bunch of the stores that I or a friend could fetch one from. a few days passed, but on Monday I was given the go to get a freestanding display from one, which is still on the way. on Tuesday I was promised what I was chiefly after: a TableTop display. so they kept it for me, and yesterday when visiting my sister in that city I fetched it. Now, after once again thanking the people involved and sending it there finally some PICCCCSSSSS!!!!! for you.
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AvcLpnuxYvGEa7MhExJALnestpE
PS. I made some deliberate label mistakes due to not having the precisely right ones, point ones you find out as a little game if you want.
zoid edit:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZPikeZk.jpg)
More pics are over here: https://imgur.com/a/LaFoo
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Nice score... It definitely wouldn’t hurt to ask...
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What a beauty!
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Very nice :drool:.
I got myself a Leatherman banner like that a couple of years ago. Went to a local outdoorshop, noticed they had a Leatherman banner (with a Charge on it) hanging on the side of a shelf which carried clothes on sale, so I asked the store owner if the Leatherman Banner was for sale also, and he just gave it to me :D.
A couple of years later I met Tim Leatherman in another outdoor store to have some of my tools engraved/signed, and I took the Leatherman baner with me and Tim signed that one as well :D.
(https://i.imgur.com/XkL98vx.jpg)
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I got some Wenger stuff a few years ago, from the main dealer, when Wenger stopped making SAKs, by asking nicely and buying a few things.
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That is awesome Gath :o :like:
Great scores by the rest of you guys as well :like: :like:
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Those are some great finds everyone, and not just the stuff but knowing that there's people who would go the extra mile for nothing more than a stranger's smile. Well ok discontinued or signed merch is awesome as well.
Oh, was anyone interested in my little spot the error/identity the SAK task? There's tips on the captions.
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can someone please repost the pics? I can't see them unless I open a 1 drive account. :facepalm:
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can someone please repost the pics? I can't see them unless I open a 1 drive account. :facepalm:
+1 me neither.
Lovely story though, thanks! :tu:
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Well my only display was bought.
But then again, it's electricaly lighted and rotating.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180121/1fc854f2d7031b2a735472729c5874d2.jpg)
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Damn, Microsoft doesn't apparently like new accounts solely for image hosting, the account apparently was closed. :facepalm:
but I'll try to post an alternate link soon so you can :drool:.
Meanwhile Mechanickal seems to have great stuff as always.
EDIT Reuploaded album. at least to my sleep deprived mind the captions are a little improved as well.
https://imgur.com/a/LaFoo
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A signboard my dealer didn´t want anymore. I didn´t even have to ask, he offered it to me for free.
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Nice score!
I've managed to pick up a few items. Unfortunately had to pay for all of them.
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https://imgur.com/a/LaFoo
there's the reuploaded pictures requested, wonder if a mod can put the link somewhere easy to find, if we balloon the thread it'll be annoying to roll around just to look to see what even started it.
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Oh, was anyone interested in my little spot the error/identity the SAK task? There's tips on the captions.
Didn't spot any errors :(
Although your 'Excelsior' is smooth Alox and does not have a key ring - Doesn't that make it a Secretary ???
- I think I saw your tip on the Manager - But could not see why it was not a Manager!!
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great spots, for the manager, zoom and count, you'll find something amiss. another one is related to numbers as well.
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https://imgur.com/a/LaFoo
there's the reuploaded pictures requested, wonder if a mod can put the link somewhere easy to find, if we balloon the thread it'll be annoying to roll around just to look to see what even started it.
Or you could simply upload it to the forum. :) (Press “Attachments and other options” below the text window when posting to get the upload stuff.)
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Have you got easy access to brochures, Gath?
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Have to admit that my display pic was an older one.
It got a new loadout since...
Which does change alot :rofl:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180122/ee305f2b2d1689799d553c0b59f018cd.jpg)
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Have you got easy access to brochures, Gath?
To be honest as I've scarcely needed them before I've neglected to seek any. :facepalm:
However I believe if they were easy to find I would have already found some searching for knives.
I could ask the importer again, but I'd feel bad just asking and asking for stuff. Besides they'll probably not have older ones that could be more interesting. But maybe I'll get lucky if I ask around again.
PS. The importer representative responded to me and said he'll send me a guide for knife displays and tell me first if they'll get any interesting limited editions. Anyway, there's the display improved.
(https://i.imgur.com/QCfk6Gq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HMUwc5K.jpg)
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Have you got easy access to brochures, Gath?
To be honest as I've scarcely needed them before I've neglected to seek any. :facepalm:
However I believe if they were easy to find I would have already found some searching for knives.
I could ask the importer again, but I'd feel bad just asking and asking for stuff. Besides they'll probably not have older ones that could be more interesting. But maybe I'll get lucky if I ask around again.
PS. The importer representative responded to me and said he'll send me a guide for knife displays and tell me first if they'll get any interesting limited editions. Anyway, there's the display improved.
(https://i.imgur.com/QCfk6Gq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HMUwc5K.jpg)
I know a guy who's got some spares but I rarely meet him.
I'll ask him next time I go over there though!
If I'm able to get a few I'll send them over.
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Oh, that's just too kind of you.
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It's always worth asking :rofl:
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Don't know if it's an old wife's tale or not, but I've heard that displaying SAK's with the knives/tools half open weakens the backsprings ... :think:
Maybe somebody here can confirm or refute this statement ... :pok:
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Don't know if it's an old wife's tale or not, but I've heard that displaying SAK's with the knives/tools half open weakens the backsprings ... :think:
Maybe somebody here can confirm or refute this statement ... :pok:
I´ve heard the same. Half opening tools puts a lot of pressure on the springs. Leave them closed or open all the way.
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Don't know if it's an old wife's tale or not, but I've heard that displaying SAK's with the knives/tools half open weakens the backsprings ... :think:
Maybe somebody here can confirm or refute this statement ... :pok:
I´ve heard the same. Half opening tools puts a lot of pressure on the springs. Leave them closed or open all the way.
I do the same, just to be sure.
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It's always worth asking :rofl:
You asked to give stuff to me though, I may have identified the flaw in your technique for getting free stuff. :rofl:
And I hear you all about the springs, but I guess we can put the theory to the test now. None of those knives are exceedingly rare yet, the only Elinox, the red secretary, I left closed.
And they're certainly not already weakened, the Spartan almost chopped the top of my thumb off.
Of course some here have probably bought display models, any observations?
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It's always worth asking :rofl:
You asked to give stuff to me though, I may have identified the flaw in your technique for getting free stuff. :rofl:
And I hear you all about the springs, but I guess we can put the theory to the test now.bNone of those knives are exceedingly rare yet, the only Elinox, the red secretary, I left closed.
And they're certainly not already weakened, the Spartan almost chopped the top of my thumb off.
Of course some here have probably bought display models, any observations?
I've walked away from display models in the past ... ::)
But I must say that your display looks awesome with the knives/tools open, it wouldn't look half as nice with the knives closed ... tough choice :think:.
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Oh I just remembered, my own EDC Spirit is actually a display model as is the one I bought for my brother, and those at least haven't loosened, in fact you still really can't lift the Phillips with your nail, a common feature in new Spirits.
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It's always worth asking :rofl:
You asked to give stuff to me though, I may have identified the flaw in your technique for getting free stuff. :rofl:
I meant that I can ask the guy for some folders to send to you :D
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I don't like buying display models myself, but:
The backspring in a Vic never reaches the critical zone for the steel when opening it. (Not sure what it called in English, you're always within the elastic zone => the steel goes 100% back to its original shape.) Which brings us to the next point, the central part of material fatigue when you keep within the elastic zone is the number of load cycles. In other words, the number of times the knife has been opened is more important than how long it has been in the stressed position. (Think of the discussion among gun owners of whether to store magazines full or empty to keep the spring for a long time, if there really was a clear, straightforward difference, I doubt the discussion would have gone on the way it has.)
The part about spring tolerance is from Vic, the part about loading cycles is basic materials science I learnt from a metalurgist.
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Oh I just remembered, my own EDC Spirit is actually a display model as is the one I bought for my brother, and those at least haven't loosened, in fact you still really can't lift the Phillips with your nail, a common feature in new Spirits.
Maybe that's because a Spirit has no backsprings ... :pok:
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Oh I just remembered, my own EDC Spirit is actually a display model as is the one I bought for my brother, and those at least haven't loosened, in fact you still really can't lift the Phillips with your nail, a common feature in new Spirits.
Maybe that's because a Spirit has no backsprings ... :pok:
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It does!
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Thanks for the info Steinar, I vaguely remembered something like that, but I really don't know enough about metallurgy or springs specifically to be sure.
All that makes sense though, and my experience with the Spirit seems to support the hypothesis.
Furthermore placing them I never felt a particularly high pressure, and if I did they corrected themselves by snapping another tool on the blade closed, which resulted in only about five cuts during the placing, the tools end up dangling pretty loosely actually, none of the blades are placed so that the spring would be at the part of the cycle it is most strained.
Oh, and I think we'll have to pardon Top-Gear-24 the brilliant simplicity of the Spirit spring is easily dismissed as some kind of design magic.
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I got some Wenger stuff a few years ago, from the main dealer, when Wenger stopped making SAKs, by asking nicely and buying a few things.
Seriously I would love to know what you got from the main dealer :drool: :drool:
Are there any past threads I can view??
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I don't like buying display models myself, but:
The backspring in a Vic never reaches the critical zone for the steel when opening it. (Not sure what it called in English, you're always within the elastic zone => the steel goes 100% back to its original shape.) Which brings us to the next point, the central part of material fatigue when you keep within the elastic zone is the number of load cycles. In other words, the number of times the knife has been opened is more important than how long it has been in the stressed position. (Think of the discussion among gun owners of whether to store magazines full or empty to keep the spring for a long time, if there really was a clear, straightforward difference, I doubt the discussion would have gone on the way it has.)
The part about spring tolerance is from Vic, the part about loading cycles is basic materials science I learnt from a metalurgist.
But but but...
I just love opening and closing the tools :facepalm:
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I got some Wenger stuff a few years ago, from the main dealer, when Wenger stopped making SAKs, by asking nicely and buying a few things.
Seriously I would love to know what you got from the main dealer :drool: :drool:
Are there any past threads I can view??
Yeah, that's sure intriguing and at bleeding to a second page and over 500 views I think my merch got enough attention already.
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Thanks for the info Steinar, I vaguely remembered something like that, but I really don't know enough about metallurgy or springs specifically to be sure.
All that makes sense though, and my experience with the Spirit seems to support the hypothesis.
Furthermore placing them I never felt a particularly high pressure, and if I did they corrected themselves by snapping another tool on the blade closed, which resulted in only about five cuts during the placing, the tools end up dangling pretty loosely actually, none of the blades are placed so that the spring would be at the part of the cycle it is most strained.
Oh, and I think we'll have to pardon Top-Gear-24 the brilliant simplicity of the Spirit spring is easily dismissed as some kind of design magic.
Take a Spirit and any other SAK, open the blade on both and then close them ... is the snap the same on both tools ?
On my SAK the blade closses on itself when it's about 45° closed, the butterblade on my Spirit on the other hand only snaps when the tip of the butterblade is about to enter the handles. And just to make sure I checked this on all of my Spirits (three regular Spirits with butterblade, one BO Spirit with the normal blade, and one Road Tour Spirit with the normal blade). So maybe all of my Spirits are flawed ... :think:
The springs on a regular SAK are there to keep the tool from closing on you during use, since they don't have a locking mechanism they just wouldn't stay open without them, so they have a spring. The things on the Spirit that you call springs are part of the locking mechanism, they do not need to build up tension in any way, they just need to lift up so the tools can lock, and while they lift up they do build up a bit of tension, but nothing close to the tension on the backsprings of a SAK.
Oh I just remembered, my own EDC Spirit is actually a display model as is the one I bought for my brother, and those at least haven't loosened, in fact you still really can't lift the Phillips with your nail, a common feature in new Spirits.
Maybe that's because a Spirit has no backsprings ... :pok:
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It does!
Well they don't have actual backsprings either.
Just the springed "fingers"
Make up your mind Nick ... :pok:
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The things on the Spirit that you call springs are part of the locking mechanism, they do not need to build up tension in any way, they just need to lift up so the tools can lock, and while they lift up they do build up a bit of tension, but nothing close to the tension on the backsprings of a SAK.
I disagree, they do need to maintain tool tension and are separate from the lock spring which is under them.
Should we be comparing the Spirit to the wearing of SAK springs - I don't think so.
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The back springs on all SwissTools are there to keep the tools closed, not open, the locks (separate devices) keep them open. They also provide enough tension to keep the tools from flopping open, or closed when the lock is released. The springs are divided to keep the tools from clumping as each tool has a separate part of the spring keeping closed tension while it's neighbor is deployed. I think it's pretty ingenious. :)
But what Z Man said too, a little off track... :D
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Though if the claim from Victorinox that Steinar posted, that the springs always remain in the elastic zone is true it could be relevant, as looked in from the metallurgy angle the effect in SAKs should be equivalent.
But anyway, weren't we requesting some sweet Wenger Merch pics from DKS? Other merch pics are naturally welcome as well.
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Some very nice displays awll! :like:
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Though if the claim from Victorinox that Steinar posted, that the springs always remain in the elastic zone is true it could be relevant, as looked in from the metallurgy angle the effect in SAKs should be equivalent.
Half opening one tool might leave it in the zone but half opening two or three tools across one spring...
And then consider the constant load on the pin stock...
Either way, collecting or using, unless the spring breaks then it really doesn't matter.
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As I said before, the way you open them only partway means that if you open one too much the other blades slam shut, as some of my fingers can testify.
They're all opened in hand to the fan position, the magnets just hold them to the steel, the tools are all freely in that position.
(https://i.imgur.com/A7sKgoF.jpg)