Post by: stressmaster5000 on June 26, 2013, 08:12:24 PM
Here is my first link for you guys to report. Now this listing does not have words that say Victorinox but it does have a photo that clearly shows the shield logo and name Victorinox, so it is trying to promote the knife as genuine. BTW, if you did not know there is a "Report" button on every eBay auction web page. Right side about half way down just before the auction description.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-28-Multifunctional-Stainless-Steel-91mm-Swiss-Knife-Tool-/151071496059?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item232c90177b
Here is what the reporting page looks like and what choices you should choose for fake item reports. Please add any fake auctions or sales you find here and lets stamp out these phoneys.
Post by: enki_ck on June 26, 2013, 08:18:33 PM
Post by: sawman on June 26, 2013, 08:35:58 PM
Post by: Nhoj on June 26, 2013, 08:41:11 PM
Post by: stressmaster5000 on June 26, 2013, 08:43:31 PM
Post by: Cupboard on June 26, 2013, 09:56:36 PM
Does anyone know if the Vic knifes that are listed on the DX website are real or fake?
Post by: stressmaster5000 on June 26, 2013, 09:57:50 PM
Good idea :tu:I believe we have discussed them before and some are genuine and some are not, like the Swiss Cards with the chinese opera mask.
Does anyone know if the Vic knifes that are listed on the DX website are real or fake?
Post by: GigaHz on June 27, 2013, 04:27:12 PM
Post by: enki_ck on June 27, 2013, 04:41:28 PM
Post by: stressmaster5000 on June 27, 2013, 06:32:40 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Fisherman-Swiss-Army-Knife-Vintage-Rare-GREAT-FIND-/221246839523?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item338356dae3Another one gets the Fake nod. Anyone notice the new eBay notes that say how many views or watchers per hour? This one showed 7 views per hour when I clicked it. Way to go guys! :salute:
Post by: enki_ck on June 27, 2013, 11:26:23 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151072215695
Post by: Nhoj on June 28, 2013, 01:55:35 AM
And another one.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151072215695 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/151072215695)
I was just going to report that one!
Post by: PTRSAK on June 28, 2013, 02:16:18 AM
I already report listings that I see where they are claiming that a fake is genuine Victorinox.
I'm not so worried by ones where they clearly state something like "Swiss army type knife, not Victorinox."
But if the wording is like "Imitation Victorinox Swiss Army knife." if contravenes eBay's listing policy because it is admitting the item is counterfeit. Those ones get reported.
Post by: Nhoj on June 28, 2013, 02:23:49 AM
While it is merely an old hobo tool and has a different logo on the side
http://bit.ly/17GaISY
Post by: altered.ego on June 28, 2013, 02:39:20 AM
Titled "vintage camper swiss army knife"I don't think this one qualifies as a fake. The knife does have "Camper" stamped on the scale and if you read the description the seller says "Stamped Imperial Ireland".
While it is merely an old hobo tool and has a different logo on the side
http://bit.ly/17GaISY
Post by: Nhoj on June 28, 2013, 03:10:09 AM
Titled "vintage camper swiss army knife"I don't think this one qualifies as a fake. The knife does have "Camper" stamped on the scale and if you read the description the seller says "Stamped Imperial Ireland".
While it is merely an old hobo tool and has a different logo on the side
http://bit.ly/17GaISY (http://bit.ly/17GaISY)
I just looked at the title :shrug: I guess I'll read the description first next time
Post by: Nhoj on June 29, 2013, 07:34:53 PM
http://bit.ly/18mXKsy
Post by: Nhoj on June 29, 2013, 07:53:00 PM
http://bit.ly/18mZv97
Post by: Roll360 on July 01, 2013, 08:19:17 AM
Post by: GigaHz on July 02, 2013, 12:28:46 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/91-mm-Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-red-gift-Box-saber-gift-package-not-saber-/300927975313?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item4610b47f91
Post by: Reinier on July 02, 2013, 02:23:25 PM
Go Go Google Translate :D
Post by: enki_ck on July 02, 2013, 04:45:12 PM
Post by: Roll360 on July 03, 2013, 02:59:43 PM
Post by: Roll360 on July 03, 2013, 03:09:22 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-Free-postage-within-Australia-/271232906951?pt=AU_Sport_Camping_Hiking_Tools&hash=item3f26bdb6c7
Post by: Roll360 on July 03, 2013, 03:15:55 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-RRP-70-00-Free-postage-/271232496146?pt=AU_Sport_Camping_Hiking_Tools&hash=item3f26b77212
Post by: cannonball on July 04, 2013, 02:51:46 PM
Post by: stressmaster5000 on July 04, 2013, 04:25:41 PM
Every time I see a fake SAK or Leatherman, I do an EBAY report.Great! :salute: :salute: That is the purpose of this thread. The more folks who report them to eBay the better chance there is of them taking the auction down.
Post by: T.J. Hooker on July 10, 2013, 10:40:51 AM
I see some times. I'll report here.
Post by: Reinier on July 11, 2013, 09:13:01 PM
Post by: Roll360 on July 13, 2013, 04:52:01 AM
Ebay does not give a rats.
Post by: detron on July 13, 2013, 05:01:44 AM
Reporting these knives to ebay doesn't seem to get them taken down. >:(
Ebay does not give a rats.
That is sad. I wish the would do something
Post by: PTRSAK on July 13, 2013, 07:33:33 AM
Reporting these knives to ebay doesn't seem to get them taken down. >:(
Ebay does not give a rats.
That is sad. I wish the would do something
I have had a few successes with getting listings removed. The main thing seems to be that it has to be claiming to be something that it's not.
If it's just a SAK-a-like and says "Swiss Army type knife" eBay won't pull the listing. But if it is an obvious Chinese knockoff claiming to be "Genuine Victorinox" they will remove it.
If you report something that is an infringement of the Victorinox name or logo trademarks and eBay does nothing, report the listing to Victorinox, I'm sure they would be interested and will contact eBay themselves.
Post by: stressmaster5000 on July 13, 2013, 04:42:01 PM
Yes, eBay will remove listings that are blatantly obvious but sometimes the sellers are tricky enough to NOT use the Victorinox name or their label. If so then its perfectly legal for them to sell it. I have noticed more and more fake sellers using photos with the Victorinox label or shield in it but not the name so it makes it harder for eBay to decide if they should remove it or not. I always give them the proper motivation to do so. When reporting it is important to mention if it is a photo that shows the fake claim or if it has word description claiming it is genuine Victorinox.
I have had a few successes with getting listings removed. The main thing seems to be that it has to be claiming to be something that it's not.
If it's just a SAK-a-like and says "Swiss Army type knife" eBay won't pull the listing. But if it is an obvious Chinese knockoff claiming to be "Genuine Victorinox" they will remove it.
If you report something that is an infringement of the Victorinox name or logo trademarks and eBay does nothing, report the listing to Victorinox, I'm sure they would be interested and will contact eBay themselves.
Please report these even if it stays up. It shows our solidarity with Victorinox as buyers and maybe eBay will eventually get their act together and ban these fake sellers all together. :salute: :salute:
Ever notice any fake Wengers? :pok: I have not. :shrug:
Post by: Saluki on July 14, 2013, 05:37:24 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Soldier-Alox-Swiss-Army-Knife-HD-Metal-Ribbed-Scales-/300932707699?pt=US_Knives_Tools&hash=item4610fcb573
This seller has been trying to sell this used, engraved Pioneer as a Soldier for months now. I contacted him a couple of months ago and explained that he is selling a Pioneer, not a Soldier, and that he should correct his listing. He continues to re-list this over and over as a Soldier. This same seller has sold several other discontinued SAK's, and he seems to know exactly what they are, so in my opinion this is not an honest mistake on his part.
I reported this to eBay today. It might be good for others to either contact the seller or report this listing as well.
Post by: Blade runner on July 14, 2013, 06:45:03 PM
I am not sure if this is the right thread for this listing or not since this knife is a Victorinox. However, it is a fraudulent listing in my opinion, so this seemed like a logical place.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Soldier-Alox-Swiss-Army-Knife-HD-Metal-Ribbed-Scales-/300932707699?pt=US_Knives_Tools&hash=item4610fcb573
This seller has been trying to sell this used, engraved Pioneer as a Soldier for months now. I contacted him a couple of months ago and explained that he is selling a Pioneer, not a Soldier, and that he should correct his listing. He continues to re-list this over and over as a Soldier. This same seller has sold several other discontinued SAK's, and he seems to know exactly what they are, so in my opinion this is not an honest mistake on his part.
I reported this to eBay today. It might be good for others to either contact the seller or report this listing as well.
I did the same thing with this auction, and showed it some pages behind in the "Crazy" tread. The seller keep trying to sell it knowing is posted with the wrong model name. :rant: that was about 3 month ago.
Post by: stressmaster5000 on July 14, 2013, 07:03:04 PM
I am sure we have all seen the disclaimers before that many sellers use that say " We are not experts or We do not know what this is, or other similar sayings intending to claim innocence regarding its identity. I know a few sellers who actually use the "Unknown" word in the auction title to draw attention to the auction, and it works! :pok:
Post by: GigaHz on July 15, 2013, 02:54:55 AM
Post by: J Mackrel Jones on July 16, 2013, 05:48:21 AM
Post by: GigaHz on August 01, 2013, 09:25:54 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Card-Portable-8-in-1-/161078269733?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_186&hash=item2581035725
Post by: GigaHz on August 09, 2013, 03:05:14 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Red-Swiss-Champ-91mm-3-58in-Multi-Tool-in-Clam-56501-/121156597612?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c357ef76c
Post by: AlephZero on August 09, 2013, 07:20:10 AM
Post by: Reinier on August 09, 2013, 10:01:08 AM
Timer
Thermometer °C/°F
Wow :)
Post by: KiwiMark on August 09, 2013, 12:06:11 PM
Has to be for this price?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Red-Swiss-Champ-91mm-3-58in-Multi-Tool-in-Clam-56501-/121156597612?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c357ef76c
The picture appears to be that of a genuine Victorinox but I'd be worried that the product you receive may not match that picture.
The price and the fact that it ships from China makes me a little concerned, personally I wouldn't risk it.
If you look at the dx.com SAKs listed as "Genuine Victorinox" you see that they just aren't as cheap as this one on the Ebay listing.
Here's a genuine Huntsman for $30: http://dx.com/p/genuine-victorinox-huntsman-swiss-army-multi-tool-knife-56996
This price from Deal Extreme isn't much different to the Amazon price (though DX do give you worldwide free shipping which makes it cheaper for those of us not in the USA) and the Swiss Champ on Amazon costs $63. If I could buy a genuine Swiss Champ for $22 + $4 shipping (like the Ebay auction claims) then I'd buy it - but I can't see that being the case, colour me sceptical.
On Amazon the Swiss Champ sells for 2x the price of the Huntsman and a price around $60 should be about what you would expect, any price under $50 starts looking a bit suspect and $22 is well under half the cheapest price I'd expect to see for a genuine Swiss Champ.
If it looks too good to be true then it probably is.
Post by: enki_ck on August 09, 2013, 01:04:42 PM
http://forum.multitool.or...ex.php/topic,46563.0.html (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,46563.0.html)
The problem here is that I don't believe we can report it as being a fake unless one of us buys it an confirms. :doh: And then only the one person that bought it can report it. The price and location are indicators that it is most certainly fake, but as we only see the stock Victorinox pictures and description in the listing, we can only speculate that it's a fake but eBay won't take our word for it. :-\
Post by: AlephZero on August 09, 2013, 05:57:55 PM
Does not compute :think:
Even if they got it for free they would easily find out the going price...
Post by: KiwiMark on August 10, 2013, 06:57:25 AM
Also, why on earth would anyone sell a genuine Swisschamp that cheap? A brand new one?
Does not compute :think:
Even if they got it for free they would easily find out the going price...
It wouldn't be hard to move that product at 2x the price they are asking, that is a big part of why it is very suspicious. I would be so surprise if they weren't fake.
Post by: KiwiMark on August 10, 2013, 06:59:29 AM
And then only the one person that bought it can report it.
They say they have more than 10 and the Ebay listing shows 5 are sold.
The big problem is whether the buyers would be able to tell that they have been sold fakes.
Post by: stressmaster5000 on September 19, 2013, 07:59:12 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Victorinox-SWISS-ARMY-Knife-Multi-5-Tool-Officer-Suisse-Champ-RED-/261290007185?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:3160
Post by: J Mackrel Jones on September 20, 2013, 04:30:55 PM
Post by: J Mackrel Jones on September 20, 2013, 04:42:19 PM
Apart from the price, the seller location seems rather suspicious as well: Rio Rancho, New Mexico, China :facepalm:"made of Swiss stainless steel parts and assembled in china"
Why do I not believe this? Maybe they are claiming that they buy steel from Switzerland to make their parts out of.
The photo of a SwissChamp in blisterpack is surely not the item one will receive for $22. Or are they counterfeiting the packaging too?
Post by: AlephZero on September 21, 2013, 01:07:25 PM
Apart from the price, the seller location seems rather suspicious as well: Rio Rancho, New Mexico, China :facepalm:"made of Swiss stainless steel parts and assembled in china"
Why do I not believe this? Maybe they are claiming that they buy steel from Switzerland to make their parts out of.
The photo of a SwissChamp in blisterpack is surely not the item one will receive for $22. Or are they counterfeiting the packaging too?
Good point!
What I was trying to say though... Last time I checked Rio Rancho, New Mexico was in the US of A, not China :D
Post by: GigaHz on September 27, 2013, 11:58:48 PM
Post by: stressmaster5000 on October 09, 2013, 08:00:39 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTORINOX-Multifunctional-Black-Cigarette-Cigar-Lighter-Knife-Bottle-Opener-Set-/300986015021
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/VICTORINOX-Multifunctional-Black-Cigarette-Cigar-Lighter-Knife-Bottle-Opener-Set-/00/s/OTMzWDEyNDQ=/z/H5oAAOxyYTRSVWuM/$%28KGrHqN,!qcFJC9tNjGeBSVWuLhI,!~~60_57.JPG)
Post by: microbe on October 09, 2013, 08:05:46 PM
It is blatant name and brand theft, lawsuit material me thinks.
Post by: enki_ck on October 09, 2013, 08:18:42 PM
Post by: GigaHz on October 10, 2013, 04:33:33 PM
Post by: AlephZero on October 10, 2013, 08:01:33 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Knife-12-Multi-Tool-Army-Pocket-Knife-Survival-Bug-Out-Gear-/171146667036?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27d922e41c
Ok that's the stupidest fake I've seen in a long time... Apart from the Vic shield, that has nothing that looks even remotely like Victorinox... :rant:
Post by: GigaHz on November 06, 2013, 01:42:02 AM
Post by: enki_ck on November 13, 2013, 01:24:50 AM
Fake, beat up and still overcharging for it. ::)
Post by: CanadianLMfan on November 13, 2013, 02:33:35 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Knife-12-Multi-Tool-Army-Pocket-Knife-Survival-Bug-Out-Gear-/171146667036?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27d922e41c
Wait, isn't that a real OHS?
Post by: GigaHz on November 13, 2013, 02:39:32 AM
Post by: CanadianLMfan on November 13, 2013, 02:40:08 AM
The auction was changed.
What was it before? :think:
Post by: GigaHz on November 13, 2013, 02:41:59 AM
Post by: GigaHz on November 30, 2013, 02:17:02 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Red-Swiss-Army-Multi-Tool-and-Knife-/200995956260?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ecc4ae624
Post by: fozzy_au on December 01, 2013, 11:38:06 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-Free-postage-within-Australia-/271333240346?pt=AU_Sport_Camping_Hiking_Tools&hash=item3f2cb8ae1a
They even have a negative feedback about selling a fake knife. I reported it to eBay on Friday but it is still there. Does Victorinox have a site we can report them to for them to follow up?
Post by: sticktodrum on December 02, 2013, 01:14:44 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cybertool-34-copy-like-Victorinox-/321262208377?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item4accb84579
Post by: GigaHz on December 03, 2013, 12:08:48 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321262207540?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 11, 2013, 04:51:41 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291014420379?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Post by: GigaHz on December 12, 2013, 11:07:26 PM
Post by: stressmaster5000 on December 13, 2013, 04:50:24 PM
Post by: GigaHz on December 23, 2013, 03:01:19 AM
Post by: Spatha on December 23, 2013, 06:01:25 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Red-Victorinox-Camper-Pocket-Pen-Knife-Tool-Swiss-Army-Blade-/281232402956?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item417ac1ea0c
Wow, that one's pretty cool. ;) Didn't know Victorinox made a knife with back side Phillips and a corkscrew!...
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Horrible.
Post by: enki_ck on December 23, 2013, 01:05:12 PM
Post by: GigaHz on December 24, 2013, 01:31:28 PM
Post by: J Mackrel Jones on December 24, 2013, 05:06:11 PM
Not many are aware that the Swiss companies have a copyright on the phrase Swiss Army Knife when used for a red-handled multi-tooled pocketknife. Your average seller of a used red folder is probably not trying to deceive a buyer...
Post by: enki_ck on December 24, 2013, 05:07:20 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/V...s&hash=item338902546c (http://www.ebay.com/itm/VIctorinox-Swiss-Army-Swisschamp-34-in-1-Pocket-Knife-/221341963372?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item338902546c)
Don't believe that one counts. :-\ It should have a Victorinox or Wenger written on the tool, box or description to be considered a copyright or trademark infringement.
EDIT: JMJ beat me to it.
Nice to see you around. :cheers:
Post by: GigaHz on December 24, 2013, 05:08:42 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/V...s&hash=item338902546c (http://www.ebay.com/itm/VIctorinox-Swiss-Army-Swisschamp-34-in-1-Pocket-Knife-/221341963372?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item338902546c)
Don't believe that one counts. :-\ It should have a Victorinox or Wenger written on the tool, box or description to be considered a copyright or trademark infringement.
EDIT: JMJ beat me to it.
Nice to see you around. :cheers:
He had Victorinox in the title originally.
Post by: GigaHz on January 08, 2014, 01:15:28 AM
Post by: abd1959 on January 09, 2014, 12:31:08 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TONS-OF-TOOLS-FREE-SHIPPING-Victorinox-SWISSCHAMP-Multi-function-33-Function-/191028293712?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c7a2c7050
I reported the same auction to ebay yesterday but I see it is still up and listed as Victorinox.
Post by: Papa Rich on January 09, 2014, 06:03:23 PM
Post by: GigaHz on January 09, 2014, 06:05:48 PM
This is a Great thread. I have been paid by ebay for years as a Swiss Army Fake knife reporter. They go to a special team right away, when I do it. I will continue to monitor this thread for all your imputs. thanks rich :climber:
How long does it take for them to take the auction down?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTORINOX-Green-Wrapped-Silver-Jet-Torch-Flame-Cigarette-Cigar-Lighter-/301014216300?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4615d86e6c
Post by: enki_ck on January 09, 2014, 06:08:02 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/T...0&hash=item2c7a2c7050 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/TONS-OF-TOOLS-FREE-SHIPPING-Victorinox-SWISSCHAMP-Multi-function-33-Function-/191028293712?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c7a2c7050)
I reported the same auction to ebay yesterday but I see it is still up and listed as Victorinox.
It sometimes takes them a while.
He posted "Nock Off" in the title. and Knock of in the description + this => "I was told this wasn't a legit one but acts and looks exactly the same. " I kind of doubt that. :P
Post by: Papa Rich on January 09, 2014, 06:12:22 PM
Post by: NutSAK on January 22, 2014, 04:01:26 PM
I have not reported this.
Post by: GigaHz on January 22, 2014, 04:03:44 PM
Post by: GigaHz on January 22, 2014, 08:34:37 PM
Post by: Huntsman on January 22, 2014, 11:42:38 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Knife-Huntsman-Red-Victorinox-53201-USED-EXC-COND-/151212628414?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2334f999be
I have not reported this.
What a liar - Does he think we are stupid?
Also not only has he put Victorinox + Huntsman in the title - But also the genuine model number.
That is blatant deception. It cannot be an ignorant error :twak:
This made me laugh/cry/be disgusted in the description... >:(
"I BELIEVE THIS IS A RARE VINTAGE SWISS ARMY KNIFE AS I HAVE HAD IT PUT AWAY SINCE 1994. MAY BE ABIT DIRTY FROM BEING STORED AWAY IN MY DRAWER FOR 20 YEARS. THE OUTSIDE OF THE KNIFE USED TO HAVE A SWISS ARMY KNIFE EMBLEM DECAL AND IT HAS BEEN WORN OFF.
Strange how the emblem wore off when it was safely cocooned in a drawer for 20 years..
And as if the Viccy crosses ever wear off - Maybe the Elinox ones get a bit faded - But really???
And 100 pos feedback for this seller - It's gotta be stopped.
Post by: Reinier on January 23, 2014, 02:59:54 PM
Post by: Cauldronborn on January 24, 2014, 01:23:05 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SWISS-ARMY-KNIVES-VICTORINOX-TWEEZERS-BOTTLE-OPENER-BLADE-NAIL-FILE-SCISSOR-/281250943333?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item417bdcd165
Post by: kkokkolis on January 24, 2014, 02:54:16 PM
Beware! It doesn't say it's Swiss? It says Greek! But it has many Victorinox features.
I consider buying it to see what it is.
(http://www.tsourosmarine.gr/mediaupload/eshop/polyergalia/lalizas_multitool1.jpg)
(http://www.tsourosmarine.gr/mediaupload/eshop/polyergalia/lalizas_multitool12.jpg)
Post by: kkokkolis on January 24, 2014, 02:54:22 PM
Beware! It doesn't say it's Swiss? It says Greek! But it has many Victorinox features.
I consider buying it to see what it is.
http://www.tsourosmarine.gr/mediaupload/eshop/polyergalia/lalizas_multitool1.jpg
http://www.tsourosmarine.gr/mediaupload/eshop/polyergalia/lalizas_multitool12.jpg
Post by: Cauldronborn on January 24, 2014, 04:15:59 PM
Post by: enki_ck on January 24, 2014, 08:35:49 PM
Does this one count?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SWISS-ARMY-KNIVES-VICTORINOX-TWEEZERS-BOTTLE-OPENER-BLADE-NAIL-FILE-SCISSOR-/281250943333?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item417bdcd165
Yes, that one counts. I think the one with the star is Imperial and the other one is a standard Chinese knock off.
What about this: http://www.tsourosmarine.gr/products_gr.asp?prodid=851
Beware! It doesn't say it's Swiss? It says Greek! But it has many Victorinox features.
I consider buying it to see what it is.
http://www.tsourosmarine.gr/mediaupload/eshop/polyergalia/lalizas_multitool1.jpg
http://www.tsourosmarine.gr/mediaupload/eshop/polyergalia/lalizas_multitool12.jpg
That one doesn't. It has to say Vic or Wenger.
Post by: kkokkolis on January 24, 2014, 08:53:47 PM
Or is it an original one? :€
Post by: enki_ck on January 24, 2014, 09:17:01 PM
So, it's a genuine Greek/ Swiss/ Chinese Army Knife.
Or is it an original one? :€
Nope, still a knock off and probably a rebranded one made in China but as it doesn't claim to be either Victorinox nor Cybertool I don't think there are any trademark infringements to claim here. :-\
Post by: kkokkolis on January 24, 2014, 09:40:50 PM
But now that Wenger is out, future generations will not get it any more.
Yes, it doesn't say Swiss or Cybertool but the tools look casted from the Cybertool 41 and not just imitated. Plus a compass and a mirror (!)
Post by: GigaHz on January 29, 2014, 07:01:18 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Rescue-Tool-/171229579158?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27de140796
Post by: bren10man on January 30, 2014, 05:58:41 AM
:rant: :facepalm:
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 01, 2014, 02:28:07 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Knife-Hiking-Survival-Camping-Equipment-Gear-Accessories-Rescue-Tool-/291069474766?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item43c517b7ce
Post by: bren10man on February 02, 2014, 06:20:56 AM
Zoom in on the 2nd picture. You can clearly tell this is not a Victorinox.
I reported it to E-Bay.
Post by: GigaHz on February 02, 2014, 09:17:39 PM
Post by: enki_ck on February 02, 2014, 09:19:00 PM
Post by: Reinier on February 02, 2014, 10:15:53 PM
http://www.ebay.de/itm/281257600212
Wow, look at that star emblem!
:facepalm:
Post by: enki_ck on February 02, 2014, 10:19:11 PM
http://www.ebay.de/itm/281257600212
Wow, look at that star emblem!
:facepalm:
:rofl:
Post by: PTRSAK on February 03, 2014, 12:52:11 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/L-K-Genuine-SWISS-MILITARY-LIMITED-EDITION-GOLD-Roller-Ball-Point-Pen-/281254570595?pt=AU_Sport_Camping_Hiking_Tools&hash=item417c142a63
Post by: splico on February 03, 2014, 04:00:43 PM
http://www.utensil-shop.de/blog/blog-einzelansicht/archive/2012/february/article/locker-dreikant.html
Post by: J Mackrel Jones on February 03, 2014, 04:11:16 PM
Post by: splico on February 03, 2014, 04:16:50 PM
Nothing fake about this one.
Point taken :tu:
Post by: PTRSAK on February 10, 2014, 11:53:37 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Multi-Tool-Portable-Foldable-Knife-Classic-Swiss-Army-Knife-OKNIF0501-/151227173864?pt=AU_Sport_Camping_Hiking_Tools&hash=item2335d78be8
Doesn't say it in the title, but claims to be a Victorinox Swiss Champ in the body of the listing.
and for $11.50 BIN
Post by: Reinier on February 11, 2014, 03:46:27 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291077805321
Saber not included :facepalm:
Post by: enki_ck on February 11, 2014, 08:00:04 PM
Fake Vic box?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291077805321
Saber not included :facepalm:
:doh:
Maybe he meant one of those light saber SAKs. ;)
(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/sith_swiss_army_knife_5625.jpg)
I actually quite like those fake boxes, both red and blue. It would be nice if Vic made something like it for regular models.
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 16, 2014, 11:16:50 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Swiss-Army-Knife-Climber-by-Victorinox-/261394911818?pt=US_Knives_Tools&hash=item3cdc59d24a
Post by: Cauldronborn on February 22, 2014, 12:15:26 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Knive-rare-new-in-metal-box-/181329856160?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item2a381a06a0
Post by: jerseydevil on February 22, 2014, 12:21:53 AM
I think this is an another one, I've never seen a SAK with both a corkscrew & Philips.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Knive-rare-new-in-metal-box-/181329856160?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item2a381a06a0
Yep that's a fake for sure. Besides the back tools, the humped scissors gives it away.....
Post by: Cauldronborn on February 22, 2014, 12:23:15 AM
Post by: Reinier on February 23, 2014, 06:06:46 PM
More junk ("Replica"): http://www.ebay.com/itm/191076250535
Post by: twiliter on February 23, 2014, 06:52:53 PM
"Not a Victorinox", but that doesn't make it right: http://www.ebay.com/itm/111285085623
Keyword abuse! :o
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 27, 2014, 04:52:23 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-cheap-Swiss-style-army-knife-Wooden-restoring-ancient-ways-30-function-M30-/121282442361?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item1c3cff3479
Post by: Cauldronborn on February 27, 2014, 07:03:10 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-cheap-Swiss-style-army-knife-Wooden-restoring-ancient-ways-17-function-M11/251462333546?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20232%26meid%3D5136392883403928394%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D8938%26rk%3D0%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D121282442361
Post by: ColoSwiss on March 13, 2014, 11:01:11 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301095958330?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301095959236?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Post by: RedRamage on March 14, 2014, 01:04:31 AM
The first one might be a Vic that's been "re-scaled" but they they also ground down the tang and re-engraved it. More likely just a decent copy of the blades.
Post by: GigaHz on March 19, 2014, 07:52:51 PM
Post by: Saluki on March 24, 2014, 03:06:26 AM
Is this a cheap knockoff in a vintage Victorinox box, or is this a legitimate SAK that I am just not familiar with?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-Vintage-Original-Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-Pre-1985-Red-in-Box-NR-/261428620338?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item3cde5c2c32&nma=true&si=FoicX60Ba%252FMoWhlSFyqfdoObO6U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Post by: ColoSwiss on March 24, 2014, 05:23:01 AM
I have seen three of these sell on eBay over the past couple days, with the last one bringing over $120. I am relatively new to SAK's, but have never seen this logo before. Also, there are no pics of the blades or tang stamps.
Is this a cheap knockoff in a vintage Victorinox box, or is this a legitimate SAK that I am just not familiar with?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-Vintage-Original-Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-Pre-1985-Red-in-Box-NR-/261428620338?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item3cde5c2c32&nma=true&si=FoicX60Ba%252FMoWhlSFyqfdoObO6U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Hi Saluki,
Welcome aboard!
That's an older Victorinox shield. Believe it was used for a few years in the mid-1940s, but not sure of the exact dates. Expect someone else will be along shortly with more info.
Post by: captain spaulding on March 24, 2014, 05:29:01 AM
I have seen three of these sell on eBay over the past couple days, with the last one bringing over $120. I am relatively new to SAK's, but have never seen this logo before. Also, there are no pics of the blades or tang stamps.
Is this a cheap knockoff in a vintage Victorinox box, or is this a legitimate SAK that I am just not familiar with?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-Vintage-Original-Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-Pre-1985-Red-in-Box-NR-/261428620338?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item3cde5c2c32&nma=true&si=FoicX60Ba%252FMoWhlSFyqfdoObO6U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Hi Saluki,
Welcome aboard!
That's an older Victorinox shield. Believe it was used for a few years in the mid-1940s, but not sure of the exact dates. Expect someone else will be along shortly with more info.
Hmmm.... Very interesting. I am also not familiar with that shield. Admittedly I have not done any research on them, but nome the less i have not seen that shield before. Thanks for the info Colo. :tu: Learn something new every day.
Post by: J Mackrel Jones on March 24, 2014, 02:50:46 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on March 24, 2014, 11:32:33 PM
Thought I'd read someplace that that was a WWII era logo. The memory is obviously going down the tube.
Post by: J Mackrel Jones on March 25, 2014, 02:41:39 PM
They never found the car keys in the refrigerator.
Post by: lowtech on March 25, 2014, 04:39:19 PM
Is Victorinox now working a deal with Richartz, or is someone trying to put a fast one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301095958330?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301095959236?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Richartz (and their sub-brand Ricardo) is a well reputed German knife maker which makes SAK-like pocket knives.
I think they eitehr got sold in a Victorinox store or someone put those labels there - The brands are not affiliated.
Post by: ColoSwiss on March 25, 2014, 10:55:57 PM
Is Victorinox now working a deal with Richartz, or is someone trying to put a fast one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301095958330?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301095959236?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Richartz (and their sub-brand Ricardo) is a well reputed German knife maker which makes SAK-like pocket knives.
I think they eitehr got sold in a Victorinox store or someone put those labels there - The brands are not affiliated.
I've got a couple of the Richartz Picnics, nice knives.
Post by: bmot on March 26, 2014, 10:07:51 AM
Is Victorinox now working a deal with Richartz, or is someone trying to put a fast one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3..._trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/301095958330?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3..._trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/301095959236?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
Richartz (and their sub-brand Ricardo) is a well reputed German knife maker which makes SAK-like pocket knives.
I think they eitehr got sold in a Victorinox store or someone put those labels there - The brands are not affiliated.
I've got a couple of the Richartz Picnics, nice knives.
Sorta funny they put in two bottle openers :P
Post by: GigaHz on April 13, 2014, 06:07:13 PM
Post by: Corwyn on April 13, 2014, 07:00:33 PM
Post by: ulli on April 14, 2014, 02:05:51 PM
real or fake?
Post by: enki_ck on April 14, 2014, 02:12:46 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Matte-Finish-Swiss-Army-2-Blade-Watch-Opener-Jeweler-Pocket-Knife-/191134725806?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item2c808476ae
real or fake?
I'd say real on the tool, but the scales? :shrug: They look like nylon, maybe some sort of Economy scales for a specific customer. :think:
Have you seen shields like that before?
Post by: ulli on April 14, 2014, 02:59:46 PM
Post by: Corwyn on May 09, 2014, 08:36:24 AM
http://olx.ro/oferta/vand-briceag-reproducere-victorinox-ID1MlUZ.html#90de5dd170
Obviously a bad replica, and marked as such... what amazes me it's the box.. branded and looks nicer than the original one...
Post by: SAK Guy on May 09, 2014, 06:58:23 PM
Check this one out:
http://olx.ro/oferta/vand-briceag-reproducere-victorinox-ID1MlUZ.html#90de5dd170
Obviously a bad replica, and marked as such... what amazes me it's the box.. branded and looks nicer than the original one...
The saw looks as sharp as the fish scaler.....
Post by: RedRamage on May 14, 2014, 04:15:55 PM
Has the Victorinox Shield and everything... That means it's genuine, right??
Post by: RedRamage on May 14, 2014, 04:18:05 PM
Check this one out:I wonder if that Box is an original box. The foam cut out does not look like it's the right size/shape for the fake knife.
http://olx.ro/oferta/vand-briceag-reproducere-victorinox-ID1MlUZ.html#90de5dd170
Obviously a bad replica, and marked as such... what amazes me it's the box.. branded and looks nicer than the original one...
Post by: RedRamage on May 14, 2014, 04:20:33 PM
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTYwWDEyODA=/z/OMQAAOxyc2pTYu2-/$_57.JPG)
It looks wrong to me, but I'm not real familiar with Wengers, so I'd like a second opinion.
Post by: magentus on May 14, 2014, 04:21:47 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on May 14, 2014, 04:49:10 PM
At the very least that corkscrew doesn't look right!On the other hand, all tools are rounded and look blunt, you probably can carry it on a plane :rofl:
Post by: SAK Guy on May 14, 2014, 05:30:25 PM
What about this one:
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTYwWDEyODA=/z/OMQAAOxyc2pTYu2-/$_57.JPG)
It looks wrong to me, but I'm not real familiar with Wengers, so I'd like a second opinion.
China stamped cheap copy...I'm holding one just like it in my hand and it works ok to cut down sticky flystrips.....but that's about it.
Post by: RedRamage on May 14, 2014, 06:03:36 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on May 14, 2014, 06:09:34 PM
I figured it wasn't a real one... but wanted to make sure.
Cool...mine stays in the flystrip box.....it's a "dedicated" user. :D
Btw...I just used a 12" Mill bast... file to touch up the edge....cutting down flystrips is no job for a
Post by: GigaHz on May 21, 2014, 12:19:15 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Knife-Victorinox-Swiss-Tech-/400713568979?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item5d4c63d2d3
Post by: RedRamage on May 21, 2014, 03:29:53 PM
I don't see where it has Victorinox on the blade.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Knife-Victorinox-Swiss-Tech-/400713568979?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item5d4c63d2d3
That's why he used quotes. He's saying:
It's a "Victorinox" knife.
(http://cdn.mediadecay.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/rwdc7-00024-300x168.jpg)
:ahhh
Post by: Etherealicer on May 21, 2014, 03:32:50 PM
Actually he lists Victorinox under Brand :viking:I don't see where it has Victorinox on the blade.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Knife-Victorinox-Swiss-Tech-/400713568979?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item5d4c63d2d3
That's why he used quotes. He's saying:
It's a "Victorinox" knife.
(http://cdn.mediadecay.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/rwdc7-00024-300x168.jpg)
:ahhh
Post by: J Mackrel Jones on May 21, 2014, 03:35:10 PM
Post by: RedRamage on May 21, 2014, 03:39:02 PM
Actually he lists Victorinox under Brand :viking:
I know... he also states that Vic. is stamped into the blade in the auction too, which it isn't. I just liked the mental image of some dofuss actually doing "air quotes" in his brain as he was typing up the auction.
Post by: J Mackrel Jones on May 22, 2014, 12:21:06 AM
Post by: RedRamage on May 29, 2014, 05:29:29 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/91mm-Useful-31-Functions-Multitool-Camping-Folding-Army-Knives-/281275485564?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item417d534d7c
Look!! It's a
Post by: Corwyn on May 29, 2014, 05:44:56 PM
I'm almost tempted to buy this just to see what crap I get and file a complaint... but I'm afraid it's just going to cost me time:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/91mm-Useful-31-Functions-Multitool-Camping-Folding-Army-Knives-/281275485564?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item417d534d7c
Look!! It's aSwissChamp, I mean, a "Useful 31 Functions Multitool Camping" knife!
To be honest I really don't mind these as long as they don't put the cross, the tang or mention Victorinox or Swiss anywhere else.
I don't find these any better or worse than the zillion Sollingen sakalikes that have been flooding the market for decades. They don't even say it's a quality product.. they say it's "useful"
Post by: RedRamage on May 29, 2014, 06:10:27 PM
To be honest I really don't mind these as long as they don't put the cross, the tang or mention Victorinox or Swiss anywhere else.
I don't find these any better or worse than the zillion Sollingen sakalikes that have been flooding the market for decades. They don't even say it's a quality product.. they say it's "useful"
I suppose you're right in that they don't say too much about it... and I'm sure that when the customer receives the final product they'll realize it's radically different from the image. But it still feels a little... dirty... to me to use an obvious Victorinox image to promote their less than product.
Feels like taking a picture of a BMW and shopping out the logos, attaching it to your auction for a Yugo and putting in the description that its' a 'useful car' with 4 wheels and 4 doors.
Post by: Corwyn on June 02, 2014, 02:05:03 PM
http://www.tocmai.ro/curea-pantaloni-swiss-victorinox-military-style-div-culori-16724283.html
Why do I think it's http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2012-New-arrival-men-s-5-11-series-canvas-belt-original-design-outdoor-casual-canvas-belt/554306584.html with a new logo?
I know Vic doesn't do their clothing in the Ibach factory, but I'm reasonably sure it's not in Zhejian either...
Post by: daverobson on June 02, 2014, 08:32:01 PM
I'm almost tempted to buy this just to see what crap I get and file a complaint... but I'm afraid it's just going to cost me time:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/91mm-Useful-31-Functions-Multitool-Camping-Folding-Army-Knives-/281275485564?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item417d534d7c
Look!! It's aSwissChamp, I mean, a "Useful 31 Functions Multitool Camping" knife!
Here's another one from China actually listed as Victorinox
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Free-shipping-KNI003-stainless-steel-red_1825369294.html
Post by: Reinier on June 04, 2014, 03:28:27 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111372622125
Post by: daverobson on June 04, 2014, 08:59:11 PM
Fake RescueTool:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111372622125
Here's the Rescue Tool being sold from China.
The seller has probably photoshopped the logo from the scales but the victorinox name is still visible on the blade.
The same seller is also advertising "Red Swiss champ" for $7.99
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2014-111mm-Multifunctional-Swiss-Camping-Fluorescence-Army-Folding-Knife-Rescue-Tools-Outdoor-Survival-Switzerland-Saber-Knives/1589713497.html?tracelog=back_to_detail_a
This one even mentions Victorinox & shows the tool with the logo.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEW-Rescue-Tool-folding-knifeGift-Box-outdoor-essential-fluorescence-military-pocket-knives-with-Knife-Oil-free/1469343325.html
Post by: GigaHz on June 04, 2014, 09:07:17 PM
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll211/gigahzfemtohz/fake001_zps381d6afe.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/gigahzfemtohz/media/fake001_zps381d6afe.jpg.html)
Post by: daverobson on June 04, 2014, 09:18:21 PM
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini-Classic-Work-Rescue-champions-versatile-multi-tool-knife-outdoors/1571651851.html
Here's the reply I received.
Thank you very much for your e-mail and for your interest in our pocket knives.
Victorinox is a traditional Swiss company, founded in 1884. We market and manufacture high-quality products consistent with the positioning of our brand. Unfortunately, we are facing an increasing market of fakes and imitations. Imitations primarily from the Far East cause us great difficulties.
We are pleased that you got in contact with Victorinox. I will forward your email to our legal department for further investigations. Whenever possible, we try to proceed with legal actions against traders and producers, which offend brand or patent rights.
Kind regards,
Victorinox AG
Franziska Zuber
Sachbearbeiterin Customer Service
Email: service@victorinox.ch
The trouble is, there are literally hundreds of manufacturers in the far east churning these things out, I think the Victorinox legal department are going to have their hands full trying to stop them
Post by: dmanuel on June 10, 2014, 12:43:50 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-8-BLADE-ARMY-SWISS-ROSTFREI-SOLINGEN-POCKET-KNIFE-/181432882548?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item2a3e3e1574
Post by: Huntsman on June 10, 2014, 04:49:30 PM
Not a Vic - as in the listing
But still looks pretty old and authentic.
I wonder where the seller got 'Solingen' from - A Tang stamp?
I think the original knives for the Swiss Army (pre Vic) were made by a German knife manufacturer in Solingen??
H
Post by: bmot on June 10, 2014, 05:06:04 PM
Hmmm
Not a Vic - as in the listing
But still looks pretty old and authentic.
I wonder where the seller got 'Solingen' from - A Tang stamp?
He probably "derived" it from the 'rostfrei' stamp...
*goes back to the ebay page*
Oh, no, after some close inspection, it does seem to be possible that it says "Solingen" on the tang of the knife, on the "backside", there's only one bad pic of it.
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I think the original knives for the Swiss Army (pre Vic) were made by a German knife manufacturer in Solingen??
H
Multiple ones, even, iirc... At least until Swiss companies got enough capacity to make them themselves (not sure if it was Solingen, exactly, but it does make sense)
Post by: SAK Guy on June 10, 2014, 05:34:00 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ERN-Solingen-Germany-Noxin-Rostfrei-6-Blade-Stainless-Pocket-Knife-/321420421701?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item4ad6266a45
Complete with "R" stamps.
Post by: bmot on June 10, 2014, 06:28:21 PM
An ERN?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/E...s&hash=item4ad6266a45 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ERN-Solingen-Germany-Noxin-Rostfrei-6-Blade-Stainless-Pocket-Knife-/321420421701?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item4ad6266a45)
Complete with "R" stamps.
How is this fake, though? It no where claims to be Swiss, and ERN might just be an existing company in Solingen making SAK-style knives... :think:
Post by: daverobson on June 10, 2014, 08:02:12 PM
http://www.iknifecollector.com/group/solingen/forum/topics/friedrich-ern-ern-rasiermesserfabrik
(http://i61.tinypic.com/1yr508.jpg)
Post by: dmanuel on June 10, 2014, 11:54:47 PM
Hmmm
Not a Vic - as in the listing
But still looks pretty old and authentic.
I wonder where the seller got 'Solingen' from - A Tang stamp?
He probably "derived" it from the 'rostfrei' stamp...
*goes back to the ebay page*
Oh, no, after some close inspection, it does seem to be possible that it says "Solingen" on the tang of the knife, on the "backside", there's only one bad pic of it.
I don't see Solingen on it but I do see multiple markings of Noxin and R stamps. Looks like it isn't a Victoria like he is inferring but is still a quality knife from Solingen.
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 11, 2014, 12:12:33 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Army-Knife-/161333110396?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item259033e67c
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 11, 2014, 12:31:41 AM
Hmmm
Not a Vic - as in the listing
But still looks pretty old and authentic.
I wonder where the seller got 'Solingen' from - A Tang stamp?
He probably "derived" it from the 'rostfrei' stamp...
*goes back to the ebay page*
Oh, no, after some close inspection, it does seem to be possible that it says "Solingen" on the tang of the knife, on the "backside", there's only one bad pic of it.
I don't see Solingen on it but I do see multiple markings of Noxin and R stamps. Looks like it isn't a Victoria like he is inferring but is still a quality knife from Solingen.
I don't see what the problem is. C. Fredrich Ern was active in Solingen from 1873 to 1986. His name, sword & crown trademark, and Solingen are marked on the knife; and are accurately listed by the dealer in his write-up.
Post by: dmanuel on June 11, 2014, 02:47:29 AM
Hmmm
Not a Vic - as in the listing
But still looks pretty old and authentic.
I wonder where the seller got 'Solingen' from - A Tang stamp?
He probably "derived" it from the 'rostfrei' stamp...
*goes back to the ebay page*
Oh, no, after some close inspection, it does seem to be possible that it says "Solingen" on the tang of the knife, on the "backside", there's only one bad pic of it.
I don't see Solingen on it but I do see multiple markings of Noxin and R stamps. Looks like it isn't a Victoria like he is inferring but is still a quality knife from Solingen.
I don't see what the problem is. C. Fredrich Ern was active in Solingen from 1873 to 1986. His name, sword & crown trademark, and Solingen are marked on the knife; and are accurately listed by the dealer in his write-up.
Straight from the listing, if this doesn't infer that it is a Victorinox then I am not sure would.
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The marking:
Elinox
is stamped on knives made between
1957 - 1974
In 1908 the company founder, Karl Elsener, began to use the Christian name of his mother «Victoria» as its trademark. In 1921 the first stainless steel knives were produced in Ibach. The international designation for stainless steel «INOX» was added to «Victoria», and the present-day brand and company name «VICTORINOX» was created by the combination of these two words.
From 1957 to 1974 the pocket tools with handles made of aluminium were produced under the brand name «ELINOX». This brand name was created by combining «Elsener» with the designation «INOX». Since 1975 they are marked with «VICTORINOX» on the blade as well.
Knives have been produced with a bail until 1968
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-8-BLADE-ARMY-SWISS-ROSTFREI-SOLINGEN-POCKET-KNIFE-/181432882548?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item2a3e3e1574
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 11, 2014, 03:53:59 AM
Hmmm
Not a Vic - as in the listing
But still looks pretty old and authentic.
I wonder where the seller got 'Solingen' from - A Tang stamp?
He probably "derived" it from the 'rostfrei' stamp...
*goes back to the ebay page*
Oh, no, after some close inspection, it does seem to be possible that it says "Solingen" on the tang of the knife, on the "backside", there's only one bad pic of it.
I don't see Solingen on it but I do see multiple markings of Noxin and R stamps. Looks like it isn't a Victoria like he is inferring but is still a quality knife from Solingen.
I don't see what the problem is. C. Fredrich Ern was active in Solingen from 1873 to 1986. His name, sword & crown trademark, and Solingen are marked on the knife; and are accurately listed by the dealer in his write-up.
Straight from the listing, if this doesn't infer that it is a Victorinox then I am not sure would.QuoteThe marking:
Elinox
is stamped on knives made between
1957 - 1974
In 1908 the company founder, Karl Elsener, began to use the Christian name of his mother «Victoria» as its trademark. In 1921 the first stainless steel knives were produced in Ibach. The international designation for stainless steel «INOX» was added to «Victoria», and the present-day brand and company name «VICTORINOX» was created by the combination of these two words.
From 1957 to 1974 the pocket tools with handles made of aluminium were produced under the brand name «ELINOX». This brand name was created by combining «Elsener» with the designation «INOX». Since 1975 they are marked with «VICTORINOX» on the blade as well.
Knives have been produced with a bail until 1968
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-8-BLADE-ARMY-SWISS-ROSTFREI-SOLINGEN-POCKET-KNIFE-/181432882548?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item2a3e3e1574
Hi dmanuel,
We seem to be talking about two different knives. This ERN doesn't say anything about Victorinox.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ERN-Solingen-Germany-Noxin-Rostfrei-6-Blade-Stainless-Pocket-Knife-/321420421701?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item4ad6266a45
Agree that the one shown on your listing is a knock-off. Don't know if the seller is full of it, or just doesn't know what she has.
Post by: Huntsman on June 11, 2014, 06:39:38 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/V...s&hash=item2a3e3e1574
http://www.ebay.com/itm/E...s&hash=item4ad6266a45
It looks like they are both from Solingen in Germany
Both genuine European/German pocket knives I'd say. But not Swiss (ie Vic or Wenger)
It's just that the seller of the first one is claiming it is a Vic!! So this is misrepresentation.
Post by: dmanuel on June 11, 2014, 06:47:46 AM
Hmmm
Not a Vic - as in the listing
But still looks pretty old and authentic.
I wonder where the seller got 'Solingen' from - A Tang stamp?
He probably "derived" it from the 'rostfrei' stamp...
*goes back to the ebay page*
Oh, no, after some close inspection, it does seem to be possible that it says "Solingen" on the tang of the knife, on the "backside", there's only one bad pic of it.
I don't see Solingen on it but I do see multiple markings of Noxin and R stamps. Looks like it isn't a Victoria like he is inferring but is still a quality knife from Solingen.
I don't see what the problem is. C. Fredrich Ern was active in Solingen from 1873 to 1986. His name, sword & crown trademark, and Solingen are marked on the knife; and are accurately listed by the dealer in his write-up.
Straight from the listing, if this doesn't infer that it is a Victorinox then I am not sure would.QuoteThe marking:
Elinox
is stamped on knives made between
1957 - 1974
In 1908 the company founder, Karl Elsener, began to use the Christian name of his mother «Victoria» as its trademark. In 1921 the first stainless steel knives were produced in Ibach. The international designation for stainless steel «INOX» was added to «Victoria», and the present-day brand and company name «VICTORINOX» was created by the combination of these two words.
From 1957 to 1974 the pocket tools with handles made of aluminium were produced under the brand name «ELINOX». This brand name was created by combining «Elsener» with the designation «INOX». Since 1975 they are marked with «VICTORINOX» on the blade as well.
Knives have been produced with a bail until 1968
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-8-BLADE-ARMY-SWISS-ROSTFREI-SOLINGEN-POCKET-KNIFE-/181432882548?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item2a3e3e1574
Hi dmanuel,
We seem to be talking about two different knives. This ERN doesn't say anything about Victorinox.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ERN-Solingen-Germany-Noxin-Rostfrei-6-Blade-Stainless-Pocket-Knife-/321420421701?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item4ad6266a45
Agree that the one shown on your listing is a knock-off. Don't know if the seller is full of it, or just doesn't know what she has.
Gotcha! Sure am glad that is the case because the alternative would be one of us being a bit loopy lol :ahhh
Not saying that I am not, mind you :D
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 12, 2014, 04:04:28 AM
Hmmm
Not a Vic - as in the listing
But still looks pretty old and authentic.
I wonder where the seller got 'Solingen' from - A Tang stamp?
He probably "derived" it from the 'rostfrei' stamp...
*goes back to the ebay page*
Oh, no, after some close inspection, it does seem to be possible that it says "Solingen" on the tang of the knife, on the "backside", there's only one bad pic of it.
I don't see Solingen on it but I do see multiple markings of Noxin and R stamps. Looks like it isn't a Victoria like he is inferring but is still a quality knife from Solingen.
I don't see what the problem is. C. Fredrich Ern was active in Solingen from 1873 to 1986. His name, sword & crown trademark, and Solingen are marked on the knife; and are accurately listed by the dealer in his write-up.
Straight from the listing, if this doesn't infer that it is a Victorinox then I am not sure would.QuoteThe marking:
Elinox
is stamped on knives made between
1957 - 1974
In 1908 the company founder, Karl Elsener, began to use the Christian name of his mother «Victoria» as its trademark. In 1921 the first stainless steel knives were produced in Ibach. The international designation for stainless steel «INOX» was added to «Victoria», and the present-day brand and company name «VICTORINOX» was created by the combination of these two words.
From 1957 to 1974 the pocket tools with handles made of aluminium were produced under the brand name «ELINOX». This brand name was created by combining «Elsener» with the designation «INOX». Since 1975 they are marked with «VICTORINOX» on the blade as well.
Knives have been produced with a bail until 1968
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-8-BLADE-ARMY-SWISS-ROSTFREI-SOLINGEN-POCKET-KNIFE-/181432882548?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item2a3e3e1574
Hi dmanuel,
We seem to be talking about two different knives. This ERN doesn't say anything about Victorinox.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ERN-Solingen-Germany-Noxin-Rostfrei-6-Blade-Stainless-Pocket-Knife-/321420421701?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item4ad6266a45
Agree that the one shown on your listing is a knock-off. Don't know if the seller is full of it, or just doesn't know what she has.
Gotcha! Sure am glad that is the case because the alternative would be one of us being a bit loopy lol :ahhh
Not saying that I am not, mind you :D
Sanity tends to be a scarce commodity around here. :cheers:
Post by: GigaHz on June 18, 2014, 06:01:26 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on July 12, 2014, 04:59:09 PM
Post by: Reinier on July 14, 2014, 10:50:44 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Swiss-Champ-Knife-53501-/221469271131?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item339098e45b
I cannot believe that one was actually sold...
Post by: enki_ck on July 14, 2014, 12:40:31 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Swiss-Champ-Knife-53501-/221469271131?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item339098e45b
I cannot believe that one was actually sold...
:facepalm:
Post by: Corwyn on July 20, 2014, 05:41:14 PM
http://olx.ro/oferta/briceag-cu-maner-fosforescent-ID27Nbt.html#b5aa7a73d8
Old thumbhole, no Vic markings, Rescue Knife scales, Locksmith tool combination... and a hilariously-placed windshield-breaker. It costs about 9 Euros.
Reckon there is any chance the scales might ft on a Vic?
Post by: Schneider on July 20, 2014, 09:14:50 PM
Reckon there is any chance the scales might ft on a Vic?
Why would you want to? The original scales can be bought for less. 3€ I think from most European Victorinox dealers.
Post by: Corwyn on July 20, 2014, 10:13:39 PM
Reckon there is any chance the scales might ft on a Vic?
Why would you want to? The original scales can be bought for less. 3€ I think from most European Victorinox dealers.
Do you mind giving me a link for one or two of those?
I only know Swissbianco to sell those and they are 20$ a pop, plus shipping accross the pond: http://www.swissbianco.ca/products4.htm
Post by: Schneider on July 20, 2014, 11:42:29 PM
Reckon there is any chance the scales might ft on a Vic?
Why would you want to? The original scales can be bought for less. 3€ I think from most European Victorinox dealers.
Do you mind giving me a link for one or two of those?
I only know Swissbianco to sell those and they are 20$ a pop, plus shipping accross the pond: http://www.swissbianco.ca/products4.htm
http://www.schweizer-messer.eu/Victorinox_Ersatzteile_Pflegemittel
or
http://www.pizzini.at/shop/contents/en-us/d31_schweizermesser-ersatzteil.html
Yes, the Stayglo are more expensive than the standard colors but you're sure you'll get an original part that will fit. ;)
Post by: danilo on July 21, 2014, 03:40:31 AM
those are very useful links, thank you!Reckon there is any chance the scales might ft on a Vic?
Why would you want to? The original scales can be bought for less. 3€ I think from most European Victorinox dealers.
Do you mind giving me a link for one or two of those?
I only know Swissbianco to sell those and they are 20$ a pop, plus shipping accross the pond: http://www.swissbianco.ca/products4.htm (http://www.swissbianco.ca/products4.htm)
http://www.schweizer-messer.eu/Victorinox_Ersatzteile_Pflegemittel (http://www.schweizer-messer.eu/Victorinox_Ersatzteile_Pflegemittel)
or
http://www.pizzini.at/shop/contents/en-us/d31_schweizermesser-ersatzteil.html (http://www.pizzini.at/shop/contents/en-us/d31_schweizermesser-ersatzteil.html)
Yes, the Stayglo are more expensive than the standard colors but you're sure you'll get an original part that will fit. ;)
Post by: N_N_R on July 21, 2014, 06:05:40 PM
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg95/nikoleta_rangelova/P1010360_zpseedcea3a.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/nikoleta_rangelova/media/P1010360_zpseedcea3a.jpg.html)
Post by: GigaHz on July 21, 2014, 06:10:02 PM
Post by: N_N_R on July 21, 2014, 06:13:25 PM
Post by: Reinier on July 21, 2014, 06:33:55 PM
http://www.schweizer-messer.eu/Victorinox_Ersatzteile_Pflegemittel
I know that shop, but yellow 84mm scales... never seen those! Nice :)
Post by: Huntsman on July 23, 2014, 09:46:10 AM
Made in China SAK copy.And on this one at least - poor quality tools - Eg CS bends and scissors won't cut much more than paper.
And as has often been said - Vic SAKs are pretty cheap (even brand new), but fantastic quality - Why go for a fake, crappy one!
Looking at the tang stamp is awlays a good way to check!
Post by: Storky on July 23, 2014, 10:22:16 AM
http://www.schweizer-messer.eu/Victorinox_Ersatzteile_Pflegemittel
I know that shop, but yellow 84mm scales... never seen those! Nice :)
Thanks for the tip :tu: Ordered some :ahhh
Regards
Markus
Post by: ColoSwiss on July 24, 2014, 10:37:54 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTORINEX-Swiss-Army-Plus-Pocket-Knife-30-TOOLS/361001312729?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23780%26meid%3D8548224891209484757%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D10035%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D111411341729
Post by: SAK Guy on July 24, 2014, 10:53:21 PM
No end to the Chinese crap.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTORINEX-Swiss-Army-Plus-Pocket-Knife-30-TOOLS/361001312729?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23780%26meid%3D8548224891209484757%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D10035%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D111411341729
:sa:
Post by: daverobson on July 24, 2014, 10:54:21 PM
No end to the Chinese crap.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTORINEX-Swiss-Army-Plus-Pocket-Knife-30-TOOLS/361001312729?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23780%26meid%3D8548224891209484757%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D10035%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D111411341729
He must be on drugs :ahhh
$40 starting bid, "List price: $100.00. Sale here"
Post by: PTRSAK on July 24, 2014, 10:58:17 PM
Post by: GigaHz on July 28, 2014, 10:19:50 PM
reported
Post by: dmanuel on August 09, 2014, 11:39:51 AM
Been wanting one of these, but something doesn't look right in those photos lol
Post by: J Mackrel Jones on August 09, 2014, 03:34:56 PM
But the photos show two different knives.
Post by: dmanuel on August 09, 2014, 11:45:48 PM
Post by: marduk on August 10, 2014, 04:08:33 AM
The knife looks legitimate. As already mentioned, the numbered editions were primarily marketed as Militaria Set 2010 in France & Italy & limited to 199 in each country. Three models in military style ammo wooden boxes were offered w/OD nylon pouches: Swiss Tool Spirit, Trekker, & Sentinel, only the latter w/belt clip.
Later, they were marketed in Europe w/o numbers on the main blade. They can still be obtained, especially the Trekker (Trailmaster) & Sentinel, usually w/OD pouches.
The only question I have about this knife is the addition of the belt clip, but it could have been added by Vic.
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 10, 2014, 05:36:50 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Classic-Pocket-Knife-Army-knife-/251585234473?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item3a93a60629
Post by: Corwyn on August 10, 2014, 08:03:26 PM
Not a sak per se, but an original Swiss Cross Vekdohinoks
Post by: SAK Guy on August 11, 2014, 04:51:02 AM
Post by: bmot on August 11, 2014, 08:43:25 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/L...s&hash=item4ada3728d5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-MULTI-FUNCTION-SWISS-ARMY-TYPE-KNIFE-RED-W-INC-LOGO-see-pix-/321488627925?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item4ada3728d5)
I think this is more a knock-off than a fake, it never states it's Vic or Wenger, and even mentions:
Quote
This is a great multi function Swiss Army Type knife. (Maker of this knife not known other than it originated from China)
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Post by: SAK Guy on August 15, 2014, 06:13:42 AM
Post by: GigaHz on September 05, 2014, 04:02:27 PM
Post by: enki_ck on September 05, 2014, 05:59:24 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SwissChamp-Swiss-Army-Knife-53501-Red-91MM-33-Implements-/281431554209?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4186a0b8a1
The picture seems to be of the original one, but it's stolen from this listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/310578491002
And I don't understand why someone would say the item they received was counterfeit but only leave a neutral feedback leaving the seller with 100% feedback score. That's clearly a reason for negative feedback. :shrug:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=terrrene&&_trksid=p2047675.l2560&rt=nc&iid=281431554209&sspagename=VIP:feedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller
Post by: Caranthanus on September 07, 2014, 07:51:53 PM
chinaChamp saber with 30 functions :facepalm:
Post by: Corwyn on September 10, 2014, 10:59:07 PM
Apart from the wrong tang and wonky scissors, it could fool someone...
http://www.okazii.ro/vanatoare/bricege-si-cutite/briceag-din-inox-cu-11-functii-camping-multitools--a161795596
Post by: SAK Guy on September 25, 2014, 02:47:08 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/swis-wenger-knife-14-usable-tools-/141417104860?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item20ed1dc5dc
Post by: Corwyn on October 04, 2014, 09:16:15 AM
Old, collectible, highly sought after folding knife... brought from Austria, boufght from a collector.
http://www.tocmai.ro/briceag-de-colectie-20030654.html
Post by: GigaHz on October 07, 2014, 12:15:20 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-SwissCard-/151434433663?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item234232147f
Post by: Caranthanus on October 07, 2014, 12:38:47 AM
Are these the fake ones that were around a $2?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-SwissCard-/151434433663?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item234232147f
10 pieces / lot , US $1.95 / piece - china wholesale press :facepalm:
Post by: Rich S on October 07, 2014, 01:16:08 PM
Rich
Post by: Huntsman on October 09, 2014, 07:05:27 AM
Are these the fake ones that were around a $2?Wow that looks like a pretty good fake to me - If it is one - I don't have a Swiss card Beijing opera card with which to compare it or my Beijing Climber with me today.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-SwissCard-/151434433663?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item234232147f
Would fool most people I'd say - Including me if I was not a Vic enthusiast
Clues for me are:
- Plastic surface is mottled - Aren't the real ones smoother?
- Screwdriver on the end of the file looks too rounded - always a good sign of a Chinese knock off
- With all the tools in place the tabs on the tool ends to not align beautifully like they do on a real one
- Vic logo does not look very neat
But it's all a bit scary.
Although the seller does not have great feedback.
Post by: PTRSAK on October 09, 2014, 10:10:23 AM
Are these the fake ones that were around a $2?Wow that looks like a pretty good fake to me - If it is one - I don't have a Swiss card Beijing opera card with which to compare it or my Beijing Climber with me today.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-SwissCard-/151434433663?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item234232147f
Would fool most people I'd say - Including me if I was not a Vic enthusiast
Clues for me are:
- Plastic surface is mottled - Aren't the real ones smoother?
- Screwdriver on the end of the file looks too rounded - always a good sign of a Chinese knock off
- With all the tools in place the tabs on the tool ends to not align beautifully like they do on a real one
- Vic logo does not look very neat
But it's all a bit scary.
Although the seller does not have great feedback.
Trust me, they are CR@P. I got a couple from DX for 5 bux and they are truly awful.
So bad that I think they "reverse engineered" them from a photo, not an actual sample.
The knife is like a butter spreader. The file just has some lines stamped on it, not teeth. The whole thing is way too thick. about the only tool that is halfway usable is the scissors and even they are a bit woeful.
I was going to give them to my GF and Mum to keep in their handbags, but I went with Classic SDs after I saw how bad these things were.
Post by: Huntsman on October 09, 2014, 10:42:11 AM
Trust me, they are CR@P. I got a couple from DX for 5 bux and they are truly awful.
So bad that I think they "reverse engineered" them from a photo, not an actual sample.
That is funny!! But you'd believe it!!
BTW when I said 'good fake' I meant 'good' in that it would fool you - at least in a pic
As opposed to 'good' as in 'works well'/'functional'
I think 'good' as in 'works well' does not apply to any Chinese knock offs - apart from maybe the odd main blade!
Post by: stressmaster5000 on October 16, 2014, 08:22:30 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALPINE-BRAND-SWISS-ARMY-STYLE-POCKET-KNIFE-WITH-BUILT-IN-SWISS-WATCH-10-TOOLS-/291265710639?pt=Pocket_Watches&hash=item43d0ca0a2f
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTAwWDE2MDA=/z/zfYAAOSwr81UOdIr/$_57.JPG)
Post by: Ricardomfs on October 22, 2014, 09:54:02 PM
found this one on sale in olx Portugal, and never see, i think it´s not real, a replica like this, looks funny, what you think of it?
http://coimbracity.olx.pt/canivete-suico-30-funcoes-novo-91mm-so-tenho-2-iid-465418839
Post by: bmot on October 22, 2014, 09:58:26 PM
Hello my friends
found this one on sale in olx Portugal, and never see, i think it´s not real, a replica like this, looks funny, what you think of it?
http://coimbracity.olx.pt...-so-tenho-2-iid-465418839 (http://coimbracity.olx.pt/canivete-suico-30-funcoes-novo-91mm-so-tenho-2-iid-465418839)
Yep, fake.
Wrong magnifying glass, wrong Phillips screwdriver, wrong backtools, wrong corkscrew screwdriver, wrong tangstamp... Do I need to carry on? :P
Probably not worth the 15€ he's asking.
Post by: Ricardomfs on October 22, 2014, 10:12:20 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on October 22, 2014, 10:19:38 PM
Looks like 10 to 11 cm
(http://olx-t.imgrap.com/ui/35/97/39/465418839_3x.jpg?x=1413967111&country=PT)
Post by: Ricardomfs on October 22, 2014, 10:34:22 PM
Post by: bmot on October 23, 2014, 02:14:32 PM
No mate no need for that :tu: , i´m very familiarized with SC I have 3, but at the first view i really think it was real but there was something wrong with that! it was one of the best fakes i saw! at least for me :)
You're right, at the very first glance it seemed okay, but only the very first. I usually first look for the can opener, at least that looks quite right...
But yeah, the generic Chinese phillips sd is a dead giveaway, as is the weird mag glass.
Post by: firiki on November 05, 2014, 10:53:50 AM
Post by: firiki on November 05, 2014, 11:15:46 AM
:facepalm: Not fake but NOT Victorinox. I believe the LL Bean Wengers are sought after?
Post by: GigaHz on November 21, 2014, 07:03:35 PM
Post by: enki_ck on November 21, 2014, 08:02:47 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201223001591
Is it just me or does this look like he took pictures of a picture on his computer monitor? :facepalm:
Post by: GigaHz on November 21, 2014, 08:06:46 PM
Post by: Caranthanus on November 21, 2014, 09:16:03 PM
although he sells something like this Chinese knock-off:
(http://s28.postimg.org/lu0disg9p/fake.jpg)
I've seen kind of this picture few days ago on his another listing.
Now it seems he removed those pristine Chinese pics on all his listings, and deceives people with those Vic's pics.
Post by: GigaHz on January 07, 2015, 09:21:35 PM
Post by: Caranthanus on January 07, 2015, 10:19:04 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-VICTORINOX-SWITZERLAND-OFFICIER-SUISSE-14-IMPLEMENT-SWISS-ARMY-KNIFE-/331440042065?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item4d2b5db051
Here is the "Missing plastic plate" :facepalm:
(http://s28.postimg.org/kjyxgea31/fake_1_cross.jpg) :rant:
Post by: twiliter on January 14, 2015, 06:21:14 PM
If the lighter works, it's probably not Vic. :salute:
Post by: Peanfahel on February 02, 2015, 05:22:39 PM
Swiss army victorinox sheath & Red Fury folding knife multi tool 28 implement
seller has a Buy It Now price set at $119.95
Since Victorinox merged the Wenger line into the Victorinox line, and kept the model numbers which included a model 28, and the model 28 includes a number of the same implements, as this item, I found the listing intentionally dishonest. Plus the price is ridiculous for a junk import.
It's Ebay listing: 181502475043
Seller: paulsoutletusa
Store: flyingaces2009
Item listing name: Swiss army victorinox sheath & Red Fury folding knife multi tool 28 implement
Seller has supposedly already sold 4!!!
Post by: Reinier on February 02, 2015, 05:49:35 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181502475043
Post by: Peanfahel on February 02, 2015, 06:20:29 PM
Why not add a link?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181502475043
Sorry, I forgot to. Plus sometimes adding a link only helps advertise dishonest sellers. Will ad link in future.
Post by: enki_ck on February 02, 2015, 07:09:31 PM
Why not add a link?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181502475043
Sorry, I forgot to. Plus sometimes adding a link only helps advertise dishonest sellers. Will ad link in future.
The 4 sold were at $19.99 USD. And we can't report the auctions if you don't provide the link for us. ;)
Post by: Etherealicer on February 02, 2015, 07:14:41 PM
Unless the sheath is a fake, there is nothing to report really, it says:Why not add a link?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181502475043
Sorry, I forgot to. Plus sometimes adding a link only helps advertise dishonest sellers. Will ad link in future.
The 4 sold were at $19.99 USD. And we can't report the auctions if you don't provide the link for us. ;)
Quote
FURY knife best value 28 implement
multi tool with 2 sheaths a Fury sheath,
and a Victorinox Swiss Army sheath
Post by: firiki on March 14, 2015, 10:10:12 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Brand-Victorinox-Red-Executive-Knife-10-Tools-in-1-/400853506647?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d54bb1a57
Post by: Reinier on April 04, 2015, 10:10:41 PM
Post by: kosmo on April 04, 2015, 10:31:04 PM
Bah: http://www.ebay.com/itm/291424102984
It even appears to say "Stainless China" right on the tang.
Post by: enki_ck on April 04, 2015, 10:31:42 PM
Post by: Reinier on April 04, 2015, 10:50:48 PM
Post by: Reinier on April 06, 2015, 10:56:52 PM
Post by: kosmo on April 07, 2015, 04:10:58 AM
Uses a picture of a Victorinox.
Fine print says:
"Please note that this is a replica Swiss Army Knife. Although it is not a genuine Swiss Army knife, it is an exact replica and is made of high quality stainless steel. The pictures shown are of the knife that you will receive."
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171745180919
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171745182174
Post by: SAK Guy on April 09, 2015, 09:41:25 AM
Post by: lowtech on April 09, 2015, 10:06:46 AM
Two listing by the same seller.
Uses a picture of a Victorinox.
Fine print says:
"Please note that this is a replica Swiss Army Knife. Although it is not a genuine Swiss Army knife, it is an exact replica and is made of high quality stainless steel. The pictures shown are of the knife that you will receive."
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171745180919
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171745182174
Both items have been pulled.
Post by: Reinier on April 30, 2015, 01:08:18 PM
Piece of junk. They actually call it a Victorinox Climber 1.3703 :facepalm:
Post by: SAK Guy on April 30, 2015, 06:15:26 PM
Reported this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/331534662248
Piece of junk. They actually call it a Victorinox Climber 1.3703 :facepalm:
:tu: Already gone!!! :cheers:
Post by: Reinier on April 30, 2015, 06:43:46 PM
Post by: Reinier on May 07, 2015, 11:24:34 AM
183 sold??? WHY!? :facepalm:
Post by: AlephZero on May 07, 2015, 12:04:09 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261752963910
183 sold??? WHY!? :facepalm:
Because some people are cheap? Because some people haven't got a faintest idea of value of things like SAKs? Who knows...
And, I agree on :facepalm:
Post by: bounding star on May 07, 2015, 12:10:35 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261752963910They can't even spell the word "knifves" :facepalm: :facepalm:
183 sold??? WHY!? :facepalm:
Post by: GigaHz on May 07, 2015, 12:11:22 PM
Post by: Reinier on May 07, 2015, 12:39:08 PM
(http://img.bluespider-mall.com/WG-LP-tm0820001/1-8.jpg)
Post by: firiki on May 07, 2015, 12:41:22 PM
:facepalm:
Post by: hiraethus on May 07, 2015, 12:43:41 PM
They can't even spell the word "knifves" :facepalm: :facepalm:
Looks like they spelled knifves perfectly to me. They can't spell knives. ;)
Post by: Reinier on May 07, 2015, 12:45:48 PM
They can't even spell the word "knifves" :facepalm: :facepalm:
Looks like they spelled knifves perfectly to me. They can't spell knives. ;)
I wrote the same reply but decided not to post it due to a lack of funniness :P
Post by: hiraethus on May 07, 2015, 01:39:01 PM
Post by: Reinier on May 07, 2015, 01:42:14 PM
Post by: zoidberg on May 07, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
I should get a badge for most replies not posted :facepalm:
Might be hard to request that one with proof. :D
Post by: SAK Guy on May 07, 2015, 02:30:59 PM
Post by: twiliter on May 30, 2015, 10:22:21 PM
Post by: Reinier on June 09, 2015, 07:55:37 PM
Listed as a Victorinox but it's obviously not.
Post by: Don Pablo on June 10, 2015, 07:18:23 PM
A chain clothing shop down the road is selling similar designs. They are not advertised as Victorinox per se, but I feel distressed all the same.
Some Scouts are even buying and using them!! :ahhh
When you could get a Vic for the same price.... :facepalm:
Post by: lichan on June 11, 2015, 07:01:52 PM
There was a box (slightly larger than a cigar box) filled with old knives large and small for $1 each. I went through each knife and pulled out the 3 Victorinoxes (a red 91mm Tinker missing a scale, a black 84mm small Tinker with a broken large blade/damaged small blade and a dingy white Classic SD with Berringer on the scale.) The 71mm Chinese knife was the "best" of the remaining so I took it, also. It should make good fodder for practice.
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 20, 2015, 03:34:57 AM
More like poor vintage Chinese.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-SWISS-VICTORINOX-STYLE-DISCOVERY-ADVENTURES-POCKET-KNIFE-/321786648972?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aebfa998c
Post by: RedRamage on June 22, 2015, 05:23:28 PM
Vintage Victorinox?I really hate the "style" word. SAK "style".... Victorinox "style"... I suppose it make the title or descriptor technically true but still seems like it's intended to mis-lead.
More like poor vintage Chinese.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-SWISS-VICTORINOX-STYLE-DISCOVERY-ADVENTURES-POCKET-KNIFE-/321786648972?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aebfa998c
I mean, would people talk about Rolex "style" watches? Or BMW "style" cars?
Post by: tjfarrington2000 on June 23, 2015, 05:54:39 PM
people do, actually talk about "replica" watches, and the Z8 body kit for a Z4............Vintage Victorinox?I really hate the "style" word. SAK "style".... Victorinox "style"... I suppose it make the title or descriptor technically true but still seems like it's intended to mis-lead.
More like poor vintage Chinese.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-SWISS-VICTORINOX-STYLE-DISCOVERY-ADVENTURES-POCKET-KNIFE-/321786648972?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aebfa998c
I mean, would people talk about Rolex "style" watches? Or BMW "style" cars?
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Post by: RedRamage on June 24, 2015, 07:33:22 PM
I really hate the "style" word. SAK "style".... Victorinox "style"... I suppose it make the title or descriptor technically true but still seems like it's intended to mis-lead.people do, actually talk about "replica" watches, and the Z8 body kit for a Z4............
I mean, would people talk about Rolex "style" watches? Or BMW "style" cars?
I guess I consider "replica" different than "style." Replica is a fancy, classy version of knockoff. I can't imagine anyone would read 'replica' and not know that it isn't the real thing. 'Style' can hid more... it's less obvious that it means it isn't the genuine article.
Post by: WoodsDuck on August 13, 2015, 05:03:15 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281569965475?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Not to mention it's a knife that would cost under $10 new and it's being sold for $15 used.
Post by: kari_sak on August 18, 2015, 12:10:28 AM
www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/victorinox-ranger-general-3d-max/468734
Post by: toolguy on August 18, 2015, 12:31:31 AM
Why???? :twak:
www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/victorinox-ranger-general-3d-max/468734
They are not selling a physical knife.
Post by: kari_sak on August 18, 2015, 01:04:52 AM
Post by: Etherealicer on August 18, 2015, 08:36:45 AM
Yes I know, but the guy said that he modeled Vic Ranger, instead he modeled piece of sh*t and he is selling it for 42$. So its fake in my opinion.I like how the key-ring is going though one of the tools :facepalm:
Pretty poor 3D. Warped and poorly defined tools.
Post by: kari_sak on August 18, 2015, 05:39:38 PM
Post by: WiseDuck on August 19, 2015, 09:06:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQhwIwxvEW0
Post by: WiseDuck on August 19, 2015, 09:12:12 AM
Post by: cody6268 on August 26, 2015, 09:29:44 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Red-Swiss-Army-Brand-Victorinox-king-Swiss-Champ-Pocket-Knife-13-tools-/171900553642?hash=item28061249aa
Post by: stressmaster5000 on September 29, 2015, 04:10:06 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CB-Brand-Swiss-Style-Knife-with-Cigar-Cutter-3-5-inches-or-91-mm-/252106274307?hash=item3ab2b47603
Post by: ebarberena on November 10, 2015, 03:24:46 AM
Post by: detron on November 10, 2015, 03:31:48 AM
Foud this story: http://knifenews.com/case-closed-on-counterfeit-swiss-army-knives-victorinox-awarded-9-8-million-in-damages/
very nice!
Post by: Huntsman on November 11, 2015, 12:40:15 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Knife-Stainless-Steel-Folding-Survival-integrated-91-mm-Gifts-Army/321850835470?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3Dc22040f8ab1c4a549729dfce49b173f0%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D111551185464
It is not described as a Victorinox - Although it is described as Swiss - Ha Ha
The price is OK - ish
But unfortunately some poor sods will still be fooled
The seller has mixed up pictures of genuine Vic Swisschamp with this Chinese (or Swiss as he calls it) knock off
That's naughty - Although he has removed the Vic sheild from the Vic piccies
But scroll down to the picture where the tools are listed and numbered (Chinese characters ... bit of a giveaway)
None of it matches up - eg the saw (3) is decsribed as a small screw driver; the mag glass (11) as a nail cleaner
Hilarious ..... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: AlephZero on November 11, 2015, 01:15:28 PM
Here is a funny one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Knife-Stainless-Steel-Folding-Survival-integrated-91-mm-Gifts-Army/321850835470?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3Dc22040f8ab1c4a549729dfce49b173f0%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D111551185464
It is not described as a Victorinox - Although it is described as Swiss - Ha Ha
The price is OK - ish
But unfortunately some poor sods will still be fooled
The seller has mixed up pictures of genuine Vic Swisschamp with this Chinese (or Swiss as he calls it) knock off
That's naughty - Although he has removed the Vic sheild from the Vic piccies
But scroll down to the picture where the tools are listed and numbered (Chinese characters ... bit of a giveaway)
None of it matches up - eg the saw (3) is decsribed as a small screw driver; the mag glass (11) as a nail cleaner
Hilarious ..... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Notice also that first they used pics of genuine Swisschamp, but later, when they use pictures of the POS they are actually selling, the tool loadout and the tools are totally different (eg. there's no hook on the Chinachamp)...
:rofl:
:facepalm:
Post by: lichan on November 11, 2015, 03:17:50 PM
I'm gonna assume that most of you guys have seen this one already. A search did not bring it up though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQhwIwxvEW0
While I think this demonstration is as sad as everyone else I have to bring up a couple of points. As an attack on cheap Chinese knock-offs and a plus for Victorinox quality, this video is a total fail and yet likely highly successful. It is an example of what I call default reasoning. Everybody knows how good true Swiss army knives are so we show how bad this knock-off is by tearing it apart by hand. QED. Argument over. But you can't demonstrate Victorinox quality by demonstrating a competitor's lack of quality. You would have attempt to do the exact same tear-down of a comparable Victorinox knife! And you would also have to trust that the person was trying exactly as hard to tear it up. I'm sure we've all seen commercials where the flimsy competitor is easily torn asunder but no matter how hard we try, we just can't seem to get a start tearing up our great product. Not something any of us are likely to do to one of our precious SAKs. This "build ourselves up by attacking our opponent" technique is used in almost every political campaign ad. Just remember it could be the pot calling the kettle black.
Steps off and folds up portable soapbox.
Post by: WoodsDuck on November 11, 2015, 05:48:43 PM
I don't think Cutlerylover even cares about Victorinox beyond giving a passing nod to the quality of their products when necessary, seeing as he once said he'd rather carry a Buck 110 than any SAK that exists.
Post by: lichan on November 11, 2015, 08:54:04 PM
Post by: firiki on November 12, 2015, 01:33:44 AM
Here is a funny one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Knife-Stainless-Steel-Folding-Survival-integrated-91-mm-Gifts-Army/321850835470?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3Dc22040f8ab1c4a549729dfce49b173f0%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D111551185464
It is not described as a Victorinox - Although it is described as Swiss - Ha Ha
And yet scrolling down one can see a description that reads "Swiss Champ 91mm".
This is an, admittedly hilarious, attempt at fraud :-\
Post by: Caranthanus on November 12, 2015, 10:20:37 PM
I'm gonna assume that most of you guys have seen this one already. A search did not bring it up though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQhwIwxvEW0
:ahhh
While I think this demonstration is as sad as everyone else I have to bring up a couple of points. As an attack on cheap Chinese knock-offs and a plus for Victorinox quality, this video is a total fail and yet likely highly successful.
[More than an attack, it's a demonstration of defense, defense of every person who could come across that dangerous toy-tool.
As such, i.e. as defense or even as an "attack" on "enemy" which will hurts your wallet and your body as well, it's an effective educational demonstration of preventing injuries, not fail at all.]
It is an example of what I call default reasoning.
[The term "default reasoning" is used for drawing conclusions based on what is most likely to be true. The video shows facts of dangerous toy, therefore video addresses the truth, not something likely to be true.]
Everybody knows how good true Swiss army knives are so we show how bad this knock-off is by tearing it apart by hand.
[Phrase "everybody knows" is a typical example of so called "default reasoning", as it is proven, that everybody does not know how good Swiss army knives are. Tearing apart a dangerous toy is not derived from preceding sentence, neither it's in any way its logical consequence.]
QED.
["Quod erat demonstrandum". Till that point you haven't yet demonstrate anything.]
Argument over.
[Till that point you haven't yet present a single valid argument.]
But you can't demonstrate Victorinox quality by demonstrating a competitor's lack of quality.
[As already said, video does not addresses (demonstrate) Victorinox quality, but only lack of quality of dangerous toy.]
You would have attempt to do the exact same tear-down of a comparable Victorinox knife! And you would also have to trust that the person was trying exactly as hard to tear it up.
[If someone would like to do a comparison, then the comparison would be needed.
If possible, and in this case it is possible, we would make a comparision in lab enviroment (representing the same circumstances for both) using physical laws; in specific case "force", which can be measured, so no need for "trust" anyone.]
I'm sure we've all seen commercials where the flimsy competitor is easily torn asunder but no matter how hard we try, we just can't seem to get a start tearing up our great product. Not something any of us are likely to do to one of our precious SAKs.
[Phrase "I'm sure is a typical example of so called "default reasoning" if the premise or conclusion is not proved, and your opinion it's not proven.
And many have seen many attempts of tearing up Vics on Tube - it is proven.]
This "build ourselves up by attacking our opponent" technique is used in almost every political campaign ad. Just remember it could be the pot calling the kettle black.
["The pot calling the kettle black." Really? Vic (not even mentioned in video) calls pristine crap-toy ...? How? What?] :twak:
In short, generalizations, false accusations, poor "default reasoning" (i.e. poor opinioning) and so on, but ended by legitimate and wise conclusion of stepping-off and folding up portable soap boxes.
>:D
Post by: firiki on November 13, 2015, 12:17:13 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on November 13, 2015, 01:29:45 PM
I'm still wondering about what the soap box part means :think:It is when somebody gives a speech or an opinion, often political, on a platform or stage. Way back in the day people would stand on crates to raise themselves up. Just so happened a lot of times, those crates contained boxes of soap.
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Post by: firiki on November 13, 2015, 01:42:17 PM
I'm still wondering about what the soap box part means :think:It is when somebody gives a speech or an opinion, often political, on a platform or stage. Way back in the day people would stand on crates to raise themselves up. Just so happened a lot of times, those crates contained boxes of soap.
Now I get it. Thanks, Nate :tu:
Post by: ducttapetech on November 13, 2015, 01:45:41 PM
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Post by: Pile Driver on November 13, 2015, 06:46:15 PM
how can they even have scales like that? lol
Post by: lichan on November 13, 2015, 09:20:20 PM
I'm gonna assume that most of you guys have seen this one already. A search did not bring it up though.
:ahhh
While I think this demonstration is as sad as everyone else I have to bring up a couple of points. As an attack on cheap Chinese knock-offs and a plus for Victorinox quality, this video is a total fail and yet likely highly successful.
[More than an attack, it's a demonstration of defense, defense of every person who could come across that dangerous toy-tool.
As such, i.e. as defense or even as an "attack" on "enemy" which will hurts your wallet and your body as well, it's an effective educational demonstration of preventing injuries, not fail at all.]
I wasn't trying to defend cheap Chinese knock-offs. I just wanted to make the point that it had nothing to say about Victorinox quality.
It is an example of what I call default reasoning.
[The term "default reasoning" is used for drawing conclusions based on what is most likely to be true. The video shows facts of dangerous toy, therefore video addresses the truth, not something likely to be true.]
Everybody knows how good true Swiss army knives are so we show how bad this knock-off is by tearing it apart by hand.
[Phrase "everybody knows" is a typical example of so called "default reasoning", as it is proven, that everybody does not know how good Swiss army knives are. Tearing apart a dangerous toy is not derived from preceding sentence, neither it's in any way its logical consequence.]
This was intended to be a false statement. Perhaps I should have used quotes.
QED.
["Quod erat demonstrandum". Till that point you haven't yet demonstrate anything.]
Argument over.
[Till that point you haven't yet present a single valid argument.]
My argument was concluding anything about a non-present entity is not warranted.
But you can't demonstrate Victorinox quality by demonstrating a competitor's lack of quality.
[As already said, video does not addresses (demonstrate) Victorinox quality, but only lack of quality of dangerous toy.]
Again, I'm not saying anything about the video's author. I'm talking about members and visitors who view it on this thread, kind of a second level up.
You would have attempt to do the exact same tear-down of a comparable Victorinox knife! And you would also have to trust that the person was trying exactly as hard to tear it up.
[If someone would like to do a comparison, then the comparison would be needed.
If possible, and in this case it is possible, we would make a comparision in lab enviroment (representing the same circumstances for both) using physical laws; in specific case "force", which can be measured, so no need for "trust" anyone.]
Not true. Trust is always involved unless you do the tear down yourself and then only you would be able to accept the results without "trusting". I believe that matter, at some level, is made of electrons, protons and neutrons but only because I trust the way science is done.
I'm sure we've all seen commercials where the flimsy competitor is easily torn asunder but no matter how hard we try, we just can't seem to get a start tearing up our great product. Not something any of us are likely to do to one of our precious SAKs.
[Phrase "I'm sure is a typical example of so called "default reasoning" if the premise or conclusion is not proved, and your opinion it's not proven.
And many have seen many attempts of tearing up Vics on Tube - it is proven.]
I'm trying to get to the larger issue mentioned in the next paragraphs, not specifically about SAKs. I have Victorinox and Wenger SAKs and Chinese multi-tool knives which I have taken apart and I know which are of true quality. I'm not talking about other videos on YouTube. I'm talking about this particular video and the danger of concluding anything from it except about the quality of the particular knife that was torn apart. You could use inductive reasoning to conclude that these types of Chinese knives are of low quality and not worth much but you couldn't conclude that about every knife made in China. There was a company called Ego Tools that perhaps made a much higher quality SAK knock-off. I would have to trust the people doing the reviews.
This "build ourselves up by attacking our opponent" technique is used in almost every political campaign ad. Just remember it could be the pot calling the kettle black.
["The pot calling the kettle black." Really? Vic (not even mentioned in video) calls pristine crap-toy ...? How? What?] :twak:
The "pot calling the kettle black" was meant to be about politicians or Political Action Committees that use negative attacks on the opponent hoping to convert you to the other side (or even some entity trying to sell you something.) Remember they are all politicians, keep your hand on your wallet when they are near.
In short, generalizations, false accusations, poor "default reasoning" (i.e. poor opinioning) and so on, but ended by legitimate and wise conclusion of stepping-off and folding up portable soap boxes.
>:D
I'm glad this has generated some discussion but I'm afraid my quickly composed comment has been at least a little misconstrued. I wasn't commenting directly on the video or what it was meant to show by the maker. I was just saying you couldn't conclude anything about Victorinox quality from seeing a competitor torn apart by hand, a warning for us members of the forum and especially for outside visitors. That's the default part, assuming this has anything to say about our beloved SAKs and their manufacturer. You would have to try the same experiment on a similarly-sized Victenger SAK. I don't know that you can't tear a Compact apart by hand because I've never tried. I suspect that it would not be possible but I'm also not likely to ever attempt it.
My real point was to beware of this technique during the next election cycle.
So now when people say be careful discussing religion and politics, I know you should add Swiss Army Knives.
Post by: WoodsDuck on November 14, 2015, 12:43:00 AM
Post by: cody6268 on November 24, 2015, 03:01:53 PM
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B010W3LCNS?m=A2KKJCMNVVNH66&ref_=v_sp_widget_detail_page
Post by: Caranthanus on November 24, 2015, 04:09:38 PM
I just reported this item to Victorinox. Fake Swiss Champ, even has the Victorinox shield on both the knife and the box.:tu:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B010W3LCNS?m=A2KKJCMNVVNH66&ref_=v_sp_widget_detail_page
Although the seller states in Legal Disclaimer "This is NOT a Victorinox brand", it is a typical example of fraud: False advertising or deceptive advertising.
Deliberate misrepresentation:
4 out of 6 pictures in the listing are Victorinox's stock and/or commercials images. :police:
Post by: Pile Driver on November 24, 2015, 09:34:14 PM
Rare double fish scaler?
Post by: Caranthanus on November 25, 2015, 10:55:48 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Classic-V-1-Swiss-Army-Knife-for-VeteransDay-Armistice-Day-Stainless-steel-knife-/181928297955?hash=item2a5bc585e3:g:jt4AAOSwQoFWQeIf
Rare double fish scaler?
Not that rare in homeland ( Item location: 深圳, 廣東省, China) :facepalm:
Becoming not rare in US too >:D
6 sold
Ships to:
United States
;)
Post by: Goldfile on November 26, 2015, 03:54:35 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 07, 2015, 12:55:45 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Pocket-knife-Collectable-Victorinox-Orginial-Survival-Tool/221961379648?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131017132637%26meid%3Df56b0ce470144484967f3120e1ab527b%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D201475921676
Post by: Reinier on December 10, 2015, 08:09:54 AM
Post by: gregozedobe on December 10, 2015, 08:54:40 AM
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=291632318809&alt=web
Someone noticed:
Quote
This listing (291632318809) has been removed, or this item is not available.
Post by: Reinier on December 10, 2015, 10:00:42 AM
Nope, still available. Maybe not in your country :think:
Post by: GigaHz on December 23, 2015, 02:13:41 AM
Post by: temo on December 23, 2015, 02:47:03 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on December 23, 2015, 02:49:56 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-Tinker-Pocket-Knife-/201489593795?hash=item2ee9b735c3:g:N-sAAOSwLzdWT3zf
A buddy sent me the Swiss Champ version from that company to examine....fairly close (yet obviously inferior) copy of of the real thing....close enough to probably fool a first time buyer.
Post by: cody6268 on December 28, 2015, 11:40:30 PM
Colonial SAK lookalike being sold as a Wenger. I hope the seller just uploaded the wrong photos and isn't that dumb.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Vintage-Swiss-Army-Pocket-Knife-WENGER-ESQUIRE-Tool-Red-Boy/131683833108?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D777000%26algo%3DABA.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D34492%26meid%3D8e7fbe2294a044ff829b732955d29fd4%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D191734131861
Post by: GigaHz on February 09, 2016, 12:32:18 AM
Post by: kari_sak on February 09, 2016, 01:04:24 AM
Post by: Etherealicer on February 09, 2016, 08:25:22 AM
Well done GHz, I almost didn't noticed, because I'm looking it on a phone. Someone might buy it this way.Had to look twice too... then I noticed the magnifying glass and that the scales don't fit. Great catch :tu:
Post by: Etherealicer on February 09, 2016, 08:26:26 AM
If the zoom is working its not that close anymore :PWell done GHz, I almost didn't noticed, because I'm looking it on a phone. Someone might buy it this way.Had to look twice too... then I noticed the magnifying glass and that the scales don't fit. Great catch :tu:
Post by: icculus on February 11, 2016, 04:36:05 AM
Post by: NetsNJ on February 11, 2016, 06:11:11 AM
I hate this thread. It's very informative but it makes a newer collector (me) stupid paranoid.
I wouldn't worry. I've never seen an SAK knockoff that wasn't easily identifiable in the photos. Others can share their experiences, but honestly the only convincing multitool counterfeits I've seen have been for Gerbers.
Post by: jalind on February 11, 2016, 06:23:05 AM
I'm no expert on these, but the awl doesn't look right to me either . . . no ground edge and the sack sewing hole is round . . . all the SAK I've seen have a ground edge for boring with a flute down the other side opposite the ground bevel for debris relief. Those new enough to have the sack sewing hole have an oval hole, not a round one. Looks like it's die stamped sheet steel.Well done GHz, I almost didn't noticed, because I'm looking it on a phone. Someone might buy it this way.Had to look twice too... then I noticed the magnifying glass and that the scales don't fit. Great catch :tu:
John
Post by: SAK Guy on February 11, 2016, 08:17:40 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Red-Swiss-Army-Brand-Victorinox-Swiss-Champ-Pocket-Knife-53501-/111899953951?hash=item1a0dc1cb1f:g:KrMAAOSwFNZWuRuO
I have one of these given to me by a bud so I could examine it...it was in a TSA box of SAKs. Fairly well made close copy that might fool a first time buyer, The give away is the metal mag holder. The can opener/cap lifter are almost identical. The T&T slots are larger as well...you can see the differences in hand but in pics, it's tougher.
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 19, 2016, 06:25:48 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTORINOX-SWISS-ARMY-POCKET-KNIFE-/141907584791?hash=item210a59e717:g:PPMAAOSwFNZWxmGQ
Post by: SAK Guy on February 19, 2016, 06:51:50 AM
Nothing like sticking a Victorinox booklet next to a piece of junk and claiming its Victorinox.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTORINOX-SWISS-ARMY-POCKET-KNIFE-/141907584791?hash=item210a59e717:g:PPMAAOSwFNZWxmGQ
:facepalm: Unbelievable.....
Post by: GigaHz on February 24, 2016, 11:30:08 PM
Post by: kari_sak on April 08, 2016, 12:41:47 AM
http://www.njuskalo.hr/kamp-oprema/svicarski-noz-oglas-18737377
Post by: sLaughterMed on April 08, 2016, 04:26:06 AM
Very elaborate knock-off, but still I'm sure no one from this forum would have fallen for it.One of the better knockoffs for sure. But the pliers are all wrong and the scissors arent as tall as they should be. Bottle opener sticks up too much in the closed position.
http://www.njuskalo.hr/kamp-oprema/svicarski-noz-oglas-18737377
However, the knives, saw, file, corkscrew and openera (in open position) are very convincing.
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on June 15, 2016, 03:30:48 PM
Post by: dks on June 15, 2016, 03:48:19 PM
http://www.swiza.com/en/Products/Knives.html
:D
Post by: magentus on June 15, 2016, 03:55:48 PM
Lol! You've had quite the day dks! :salute:
http://www.swiza.com/en/Products/Knives.html
:D
Post by: Alan K. on June 15, 2016, 07:08:55 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-Outdoor-Multifunction-Camping-Pocket-Survival-Knife-/182169528015?hash=item2a6a2666cf
Wow that one is bad. I feel sorry for whoever buys it. I've noticed that a lot of the time when they're selling a fake they don't allow for the zoom in feature. I guess they don't want anyone getting too close a look at their knives.
Post by: Marc_in_NS on June 15, 2016, 07:16:11 PM
Isn't Swiza a ligit outfit in Europe?
Post by: dks on June 15, 2016, 07:20:38 PM
long story, but the post was not serious.
there was a lot of discussion when they came out with a SAK
Post by: Marc_in_NS on June 15, 2016, 07:29:46 PM
oops I had missed the smiley face, sorry. I'll have to look into the "history" :)
Post by: dks on June 15, 2016, 07:31:54 PM
Post by: PTRSAK on June 16, 2016, 01:01:26 AM
http://www.swiza.com/en/Products/Knives.html
:D
Harsh. :rofl:
Post by: Syph007 on June 16, 2016, 01:17:54 AM
Lol! You've had quite the day dks! :salute:
http://www.swiza.com/en/Products/Knives.html
:D
:rofl: Well they are trying to be a swiss army knife and technically are not.
Post by: Marc_in_NS on June 16, 2016, 07:24:08 PM
Post by: WoodsDuck on June 16, 2016, 08:30:34 PM
But, are they a descant knife??
If you want to buy something SAK-like from another maker, I think the Boker Tech-Tools are a better idea. They bring more to the table as a Vic alternative, in my opinion.
Post by: dks on June 16, 2016, 08:43:31 PM
There are at least 3 threads on them, where you can get a variety of opinions.
Post by: SAK Guy on June 19, 2016, 06:06:47 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-Outdoor-Multifunction-Camping-Pocket-Survival-Knife/172246496268?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37252%26meid%3Dd531aa960d4f4562ae4e221c28f7e7c7%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D191900558892
Post by: GigaHz on June 25, 2016, 03:24:04 AM
Post by: Syph007 on June 25, 2016, 03:44:10 AM
I hate this crap......
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-Outdoor-Multifunction-Camping-Pocket-Survival-Knife/172246496268?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37252%26meid%3Dd531aa960d4f4562ae4e221c28f7e7c7%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D191900558892
Wow poor smurf who gets that hunk of crap.
Post by: SAK Guy on June 25, 2016, 03:51:05 AM
I hate this crap......
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-Outdoor-Multifunction-Camping-Pocket-Survival-Knife/172246496268?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37252%26meid%3Dd531aa960d4f4562ae4e221c28f7e7c7%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D191900558892
Wow poor smurf who gets that hunk of crap.
Some poor rube paid 39 bucks for it! :facepalm:
Post by: Syph007 on June 25, 2016, 03:56:08 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NM-VICTORINOX-SWISS-ARMY-RECUE-SURVIVAL-KNIFE-KNIVES-POCKET-EMT-POLICE-FIRE-OLD-/272285386634?hash=item3f6579478a:g:ksoAAOSwmtJXbdP6
He took it down. I messaged the guy.
Post by: Gath on June 25, 2016, 12:40:05 PM
Post by: WoodsDuck on June 25, 2016, 04:33:53 PM
I hate this crap......
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-Outdoor-Multifunction-Camping-Pocket-Survival-Knife/172246496268?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37252%26meid%3Dd531aa960d4f4562ae4e221c28f7e7c7%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D191900558892
Wow poor smurf who gets that hunk of crap.
Some poor rube paid 39 bucks for it! :facepalm:
Soon that guy will be posting a review about how overrated Victorinox is because he bought one of their knives and it broke in two days.
Post by: GigaHz on July 15, 2016, 12:48:21 AM
Post by: NutSAK on August 04, 2016, 09:22:06 AM
Post by: JamesJ on August 04, 2016, 09:28:28 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-SwissChamp-Pocket-Knife/291821511448
Post by: VilhelmTer on August 04, 2016, 09:32:57 AM
http://www.tori.fi/uusimaa/Victorinox_linkkuveitsi_27760564.htm?ca=2&w=3
Post by: NutSAK on August 04, 2016, 06:50:07 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 20, 2016, 12:16:57 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SWISS-ARMY-VICTORINOX-SUPER-TINKER-POCKET-KNIFE-TOOL-BLADE-SCOUT-SURVIVAL-TSA-/281979350802?hash=item41a7476f12:g:bF8AAOSwxp9W9LDC
Post by: Don Pablo on November 20, 2016, 12:22:28 AM
>:(
Thank you for reporting this. :salute:
Post by: jalind on November 20, 2016, 01:35:45 AM
Two things that are not problems:
- End of hook not visible on back layer; could be old stock made prior to hook being added under the scissors
- Victorinox logo on back scales; unusual, but Victorinox put "reverse" scales on 91mm knives as an option to allow for imprinting of corporate logos and marketing on the front scales. My Super Tinker with reverse scales has no imprinting on the front, however I've got a red Tinker with reverse scales and the corporate logo on its front consumes all available "real estate" leaving no room for a Vic logo. On 84mm, they typically used "sterile" scales without a Vic logo on the back side if the customer didn't want it on the front side.
- Spine/edge with nail nick on the awl should be visible below the Phillips.
- End of the scissors with its nail nick should show above the large blade spine near its pivot.
Post by: GigaHz on January 25, 2017, 08:49:14 PM
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on January 25, 2017, 09:03:43 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/322402266142?ul_noapp=true
RescueTool is probably the most faked SAK out there, with even some quite real looking ones. I personally wouldn't buy one on eBay if not from a seller with very good reputation.
Post by: Fortytwo on January 27, 2017, 01:59:41 PM
Sadly it's not really possible to report unreasonably priced cheap imitations that don't really go as far as showing the Victorinox logotype.
Post by: moonweasel on January 27, 2017, 02:56:16 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WENGER-Swiss-Army-Knife-Pocket-Knife-Camping-11-Tools-Red-Original-Box-Antique-/152400917585?hash=item237bcd7451:g:PAcAAOSwo4pYTz7B
Post by: SAK Guy on February 10, 2017, 03:26:39 AM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N0B0RYJ?psc=1
Reported to Vic.
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 10, 2017, 05:32:24 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Rare-Antique-Vintage-Victorinox-Army-Knife/201780776937?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D39f4e87bd88740c482eeb2471f56f840%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D201780776937
Post by: SAK Guy on February 10, 2017, 05:42:00 AM
Not a fake, but not particularly old, not particularly rare, and heavily used. $150? :facepalm:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Rare-Antique-Vintage-Victorinox-Army-Knife/201780776937?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D39f4e87bd88740c482eeb2471f56f840%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D201780776937
Wow!
Post by: jaya_man on February 10, 2017, 08:03:07 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170210/3c06392fd2cf4843b0e256f8986c682c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170210/a961ae5490241bbe7ae77cc1eef92c3d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170210/67babe4e18add7451f4dc8a743cfec5e.jpg)
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Post by: glenfiddich1983 on February 10, 2017, 08:33:53 AM
Not a fake, but not particularly old, not particularly rare, and heavily used. $150? :facepalm:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Rare-Antique-Vintage-Victorinox-Army-Knife/201780776937?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D39f4e87bd88740c482eeb2471f56f840%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D201780776937
It's like buying a regular model SAK, file/wear down most of the knife blade and call it antique :facepalm:
Post by: Reinier on February 11, 2017, 09:21:39 PM
Here's the photo I sent the seller . . . marked up with all the discrepancies I could fit onto it. Also sent the seller a photo of my older (Can Key) Super Tinker with black "reverse" scales as comparison.
Two things that are not problems:Two more discrepancies not noted on the photo:
- End of hook not visible on back layer; could be old stock made prior to hook being added under the scissors
- Victorinox logo on back scales; unusual, but Victorinox put "reverse" scales on 91mm knives as an option to allow for imprinting of corporate logos and marketing on the front scales. My Super Tinker with reverse scales has no imprinting on the front, however I've got a red Tinker with reverse scales and the corporate logo on its front consumes all available "real estate" leaving no room for a Vic logo. On 84mm, they typically used "sterile" scales without a Vic logo on the back side if the customer didn't want it on the front side.
John
- Spine/edge with nail nick on the awl should be visible below the Phillips.
- End of the scissors with its nail nick should show above the large blade spine near its pivot.
So now they know how to make better fake ones.
I'm sick of eBay. They keep ignoring me. Have reported so many items...
Post by: BleaKrytE on February 11, 2017, 10:02:44 PM
fake swisscard: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Credit-Card-Knife-11-in-1-multi-tool-Swiss-Style-4-Lot-wallet-pocket-survival/331743920962?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D2220072%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41376%26meid%3D288d3dcbe8f44cc0ac8c4bc426c63838%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D251625136077
Post by: BleaKrytE on February 11, 2017, 10:05:17 PM
This one needs some extra reporting. Ebay has done nothing, and the seller is aware it is a fake. Last time it was up I asked for a photo of the wenger knife for sale, not the chinese POS pictured. Sale was taken down by the seller, now it's backfunny. my dad has one that's exactly the same :rant:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WENGER-Swiss-Army-Knife-Pocket-Knife-Camping-11-Tools-Red-Original-Box-Antique-/152400917585?hash=item237bcd7451:g:PAcAAOSwo4pYTz7B
Post by: Mactire404 on February 15, 2017, 02:03:19 PM
This one needs some extra reporting. Ebay has done nothing, and the seller is aware it is a fake. Last time it was up I asked for a photo of the wenger knife for sale, not the chinese POS pictured. Sale was taken down by the seller, now it's backfunny. my dad has one that's exactly the same :rant:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WENGER-Swiss-Army-Knife-Pocket-Knife-Camping-11-Tools-Red-Original-Box-Antique-/152400917585?hash=item237bcd7451:g:PAcAAOSwo4pYTz7B
Haha, amazing. When I say my Handyman was my first SAK I am not lying. However,my first pocket knife was one of these.
I can testify for their quality, it's bad!.
You might think the toothpick on a SAK is worthless, well, you haven't seen any of these then! :D
It makes me wonder if I still have that piece of junk.
Post by: BleaKrytE on February 15, 2017, 08:28:51 PM
The fake one has 5 layers yet is the same width as my 3 layer Vic. Plus the saw is thinner than my blade, wtf??This one needs some extra reporting. Ebay has done nothing, and the seller is aware it is a fake. Last time it was up I asked for a photo of the wenger knife for sale, not the chinese POS pictured. Sale was taken down by the seller, now it's backfunny. my dad has one that's exactly the same :rant:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WENGER-Swiss-Army-Knife-Pocket-Knife-Camping-11-Tools-Red-Original-Box-Antique-/152400917585?hash=item237bcd7451:g:PAcAAOSwo4pYTz7B
Haha, amazing. When I say my Handyman was my first SAK I am not lying. However,my first pocket knife was one of these.
I can testify for their quality, it's bad!.
You might think the toothpick on a SAK is worthless, well, you haven't seen any of these then! :D
It makes me wonder if I still have that piece of junk.
Post by: AlephZero on February 16, 2017, 05:52:12 PM
Fake SwissChamp: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Pocket-Knife-Folding-Multi-Use-Tool-Camping-Survival-31-use-Xmas-Gift/112246576115?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41376%26meid%3D288d3dcbe8f44cc0ac8c4bc426c63838%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D251625136077
fake swisscard: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Credit-Card-Knife-11-in-1-multi-tool-Swiss-Style-4-Lot-wallet-pocket-survival/331743920962?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D2220072%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41376%26meid%3D288d3dcbe8f44cc0ac8c4bc426c63838%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D251625136077
Oh dear, the infamous ChinaChamp strikes again :facepalm:
Unfortunately, since there is no mention of Victorinox, the bay of evil will do abso-smurfing-lutely nothing about it :rant:
Post by: Reinier on February 21, 2017, 06:43:25 AM
Post by: Huntsman on February 21, 2017, 07:34:52 AM
Fake SwissChamp: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Pocket-Knife-Folding-Multi-Use-Tool-Camping-Survival-31-use-Xmas-Gift/112246576115?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41376%26meid%3D288d3dcbe8f44cc0ac8c4bc426c63838%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D251625136077Oh dear, the infamous ChinaChamp strikes again
fake swisscard: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Credit-Card-Knife-11-in-1-multi-tool-Swiss-Style-4-Lot-wallet-pocket-survival/331743920962?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D2220072%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41376%26meid%3D288d3dcbe8f44cc0ac8c4bc426c63838%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D251625136077
Unfortunately, since there is no mention of Victorinox, the bay of evil will do abso-smurfing-lutely nothing about it
Unfortunately in my experience - They never do anything about it anyway - Even when it is a blatant copyright infringement and fake claiming to be Victorinox :rant:
I have reported quite a few fakes to ebay - And the listing is never taken down - I think they just want their fees >:(
What is annoying about the ChinkChamp is they use a genuine Victorinox SwissChamp photo for their first and main image.
Check it out - The mag glass (or scissors with hump) is often the giveaway
I bought a ChinkChamp once for investigation purposes - You could not even see through the mag glass - never mind magnify !! :facepalm:
I think the 'Swisscard' bundle is actually not a bad deal .......
- Fake SwissCard
- One of those all metal multifunction card tools that pop up everywhere
- One of those credit card folding knives
- A Firesteel
I would be less concerned about the quality of that lot than I would be about a fake SAK.
Has anyone any experience of a fake SwissCard?
Although annoying they print Switzerland on the 'ChinkCard' - when it is very likely made in China
- In fact really annoying :rant: - Especially when you think of all the hassle the USA authorities gave Leatherman about marking USA on their tools.
Post by: Reinier on February 23, 2017, 11:05:33 AM
Post by: Reinier on February 23, 2017, 11:21:52 AM
It's not allowed to mention other brands in the title. Also, Fosco knives were never used by the Dutch military.
Post by: GigaHz on February 24, 2017, 03:50:03 PM
Post by: AlephZero on February 24, 2017, 05:54:26 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Outrider-Multi-Tool-/142290888476?hash=item212132a71c:g:-m4AAOSwx6pYsDjp
Now that's a smurfing weird one... Am I seeing things or is there TWO awls on that thing?
And the corkscrew looks totally mangled :think:
Mind boggles...
Post by: ColoSwiss on March 02, 2017, 03:25:47 AM
Post by: Don Pablo on March 05, 2017, 10:18:55 AM
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Red-Pocket-Swiss-Army-Knife-Swisschamp-Military-Folding-Survival-Multi-Tool-/252643268715?hash=item3ad2b6586b%3Ag%3AGKkAAOSwHMJYJyfZ&_trkparms=pageci%253A33cb6d00-0184-11e7-bf6c-74dbd180a912%257Cparentrq%253A9dc01bfb15a0a357f2457371fffd7424%257Ciid%253A13
Edit: too many chinkchamp listings to count! :ahhh :ahhh
Post by: BleaKrytE on March 05, 2017, 05:28:33 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Red-Swiss-Army-Pocket-Knife-Folding-Multi-Tool-Blade-Camping-Survival-Xmas-Gifts/262864776298?_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41376%26meid%3D3052a3b6c73c424f9d262172e82194d8%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D112246576115
Best part is: "If item is OK, return is not permitted."
I wonder why... :think:
Post by: TonySal on March 05, 2017, 08:15:11 PM
God...O. M G!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Red-Swiss-Army-Pocket-Knife-Folding-Multi-Tool-Blade-Camping-Survival-Xmas-Gifts/262864776298?_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41376%26meid%3D3052a3b6c73c424f9d262172e82194d8%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D112246576115
Best part is: "If item is OK, return is not permitted."
I wonder why... :think:
Post by: TonySal on March 05, 2017, 08:17:46 PM
Post by: Mechanickal on March 05, 2017, 08:49:18 PM
I'm about to have a stroke! :ahhhGod...O. M G!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Red-Swiss-Army-Pocket-Knife-Folding-Multi-Tool-Blade-Camping-Survival-Xmas-Gifts/262864776298?_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41376%26meid%3D3052a3b6c73c424f9d262172e82194d8%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D112246576115
Best part is: "If item is OK, return is not permitted."
I wonder why... :think:
Post by: Syph007 on March 06, 2017, 06:40:45 PM
I'm about to have a stroke! :ahhhGod...O. M G!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Red-Swiss-Army-Pocket-Knife-Folding-Multi-Tool-Blade-Camping-Survival-Xmas-Gifts/262864776298?_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41376%26meid%3D3052a3b6c73c424f9d262172e82194d8%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D112246576115
Best part is: "If item is OK, return is not permitted."
I wonder why... :think:
Ah but those are made of grade A chinesium. Will never rust since its likely more aluminum than iron!
Post by: BleaKrytE on March 07, 2017, 02:36:46 AM
Stronger than adamantium. The scales are probably made from pure neutrons from a neutron star.I'm about to have a stroke! :ahhhGod...O. M G!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Red-Swiss-Army-Pocket-Knife-Folding-Multi-Tool-Blade-Camping-Survival-Xmas-Gifts/262864776298?_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41376%26meid%3D3052a3b6c73c424f9d262172e82194d8%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D112246576115
Best part is: "If item is OK, return is not permitted."
I wonder why... :think:
Ah but those are made of grade A chinesium. Will never rust since its likely more aluminum than iron!
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Post by: Huntsman on March 12, 2017, 11:09:26 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-army-pocket-knife-WORKCHAMP-RED-11-TOOLS-Multi-tool-kit/222409541398?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3Dcb293bc8307646eca300c1c522a24cf4%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D8%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D322420016558
Check out the description ............
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Ecos SR080 is a multipurpose multitool 11 in 1 of corrosion-proof became.
The functionality of this model of model is very optimum as for daily use both as the pocket tool, and for specialized application. The multiple-purpose multitool is useful for all occasions and houses or in the car will become the irreplaceable assistant on a travel.
Type: multitool
Material: stainless steel
Functions: flat-nose pliers, knife small, knife big, screw-driver of vents big, can opener, file, ?? ?? ?? ??, saw, screw-driver of vents small, screw-driver cross, opener of bottles
Length: 17,5 cm
Multi tool with cover
=========================================================================
Looks like it's a biggie at 17.5cm :o .... Really :pok:
I can't spot the pliers ???
Some interesting tools there (which, BTW, bear no resemblance to the picture!!) eg: 'screw-driver of vents big'
And I wonder what tool ?? ?? ?? ?? is !!
The text smacks of Chenglish - But the packaging is all Russian ?? - Strange
Does anyone really buy this stuff :pok:
Post by: Don Pablo on March 12, 2017, 11:24:15 PM
Post by: Reinier on March 13, 2017, 08:39:10 AM
Messaged the seller and reported to the auction site. But this piece of smurf is still listed. Again, proof that Martkplaats is a smurfhole.
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on March 13, 2017, 05:17:00 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/272587263985
Post by: AlephZero on March 13, 2017, 06:17:59 PM
SwissChamp huh :think:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/272587263985
Oh, they got that mangled corkscrew on it, makes me wonder... Do they twist it by hand? :pok:
Oh and interesting tool layout for Swisschamp, must be totally... bullsmurf :twak:
:D
Post by: GigaHz on March 19, 2017, 08:01:27 PM
Post by: BleaKrytE on March 22, 2017, 12:08:57 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BW-German-army-Pocket-Multitool-Folding-knife-Bundeswehr-eagle-knife/262581867879?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41668%26meid%3D6de37dabd0234a368a7a32827ac973c1%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D272587263985
Post by: jaya_man on March 22, 2017, 12:29:53 AM
First time I see a GAK fake!I don't think it is fake... at least to me it doesn't appear to look like one...It is known that Victorinox sub-contracted the manufacturing of GAKS to other companies such as Aitor, Miltec and MFH...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BW-German-army-Pocket-Multitool-Folding-knife-Bundeswehr-eagle-knife/262581867879?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41668%26meid%3D6de37dabd0234a368a7a32827ac973c1%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D272587263985
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=26444.0
:cheers:
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Post by: BleaKrytE on March 22, 2017, 01:50:54 AM
Oh... That explains it! Disconsider it then hahah :cheers:First time I see a GAK fake!I don't think it is fake... at least to me it doesn't appear to look like one...It is known that Victorinox sub-contracted the manufacturing of GAKS to other companies such as Aitor, Miltec and MFH...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BW-German-army-Pocket-Multitool-Folding-knife-Bundeswehr-eagle-knife/262581867879?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41668%26meid%3D6de37dabd0234a368a7a32827ac973c1%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D272587263985
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=26444.0
:cheers:
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Post by: glenfiddich1983 on March 30, 2017, 08:02:51 PM
:facepalm:
Post by: Mechanickal on March 30, 2017, 08:05:44 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/122422554082...
:facepalm:
I need to rebox my junk tools...
Post by: AlephZero on March 31, 2017, 09:38:19 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/122422554082
:facepalm:
Reported
Post by: Huntsman on March 31, 2017, 12:39:23 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/122422554082Reported
Thank you Aleph78
That really is blatant deception
Although a bit hilarious
- Photo 1 - Box - Wenger / Switzerland
- Photo 3 - Tang Stamp - Stainless China
??? What the
Post by: Reinier on April 01, 2017, 03:27:12 PM
Post by: AlephZero on April 01, 2017, 04:55:03 PM
Reported again, with a request "Please do your job" ::)
:facepalm:
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on June 01, 2017, 07:04:01 PM
Post by: Ron Who on June 01, 2017, 08:32:51 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/302336109602The three pics do not even show the same knife (look at the woodsaw)!
Post by: Psych on June 02, 2017, 02:50:12 AM
A friend just bought this knife and asked for my help in identifying this... It looks like a Wenger Traveler but couldn't match the tang stamp and scale cross with Ullie's Wenger sheet..Can anyone tell if this is legit or not?
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Post by: jaya_man on June 02, 2017, 07:28:18 AM
Not yetA friend just bought this knife and asked for my help in identifying this... It looks like a Wenger Traveler but couldn't match the tang stamp and scale cross with Ullie's Wenger sheet..Can anyone tell if this is legit or not?
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Did you ever get an answer on this? I'm curious too.
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Post by: GigaHz on July 26, 2017, 12:58:32 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on July 30, 2017, 08:22:25 PM
Vague description.
Wants $1,000.
:facepalm:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTORINOX-SWISS-ARMY-KNIVES-ALL-SIZES-LOT-OF-30-/112502180110?hash=item1a31a7090e:g:jLUAAOSwzXBZfgPg
Post by: GigaHz on July 30, 2017, 08:26:33 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on July 30, 2017, 08:57:18 PM
No photo.Lets do a group buy. Its probably a lot of 30 VERY rare SAKs, so rare that they have to be hidden. 8) ::)
Vague description.
Wants $1,000.
:facepalm:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTORINOX-SWISS-ARMY-KNIVES-ALL-SIZES-LOT-OF-30-/112502180110?hash=item1a31a7090e:g:jLUAAOSwzXBZfgPg
30 members, each contributing 40 euros or so? :D :whistle:
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 03, 2017, 11:01:34 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Red-Folding-Pocket-Swiss-Army-Knife-Stainless-30-Multifunctional-Tool-/142436395276?hash=item2129dee90c:g:PpMAAOSwTf9ZXPbW
Post by: daverobson on August 04, 2017, 12:08:23 AM
$6 for a 'Huntsman', shipped from Malaysia.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Red-Folding-Pocket-Swiss-Army-Knife-Stainless-30-Multifunctional-Tool-/142436395276?hash=item2129dee90c:g:PpMAAOSwTf9ZXPbW
In the photo further down the ad It looks to have turned into a Swisschamp! :ahhh
Post by: Syph007 on August 04, 2017, 12:44:20 AM
$6 for a 'Huntsman', shipped from Malaysia.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Red-Folding-Pocket-Swiss-Army-Knife-Stainless-30-Multifunctional-Tool-/142436395276?hash=item2129dee90c:g:PpMAAOSwTf9ZXPbW
In the photo further down the ad It looks to have turned into a Swisschamp! :ahhh
Tool 3 is my fav... whats the name for that curly thing...
"3 pull out the stopper"
Post by: Smashie on August 04, 2017, 12:51:25 AM
$6 for a 'Huntsman', shipped from Malaysia.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Red-Folding-Pocket-Swiss-Army-Knife-Stainless-30-Multifunctional-Tool-/142436395276?hash=item2129dee90c:g:PpMAAOSwTf9ZXPbW
In the photo further down the ad It looks to have turned into a Swisschamp! :ahhh
Tool 3 is my fav... whats the name for that curly thing...
"3 pull out the stopper"
I really want if for the '26 demolition of wire tool' :D
Post by: EMZ on August 04, 2017, 06:56:23 AM
Post by: Huntsman on August 05, 2017, 02:16:16 AM
The tools other folks have pointed out are hilarious....
- I also liked these quotes
"Can also be used for cross screw"
If I was a screw and someone used that thing on me ...... I would be pretty cross :rofl:
"Please allow 0.5-3cm errors due to manual measurement."
Wow a 0.5 to 3.0 cm tolerance on the measurements - So the actual knife may only be 2/3 the length quoted, and you expected
Note: I assume that 3cm tolerance was on the length and not the width - otherwise the knife might actually be non existant :o
"Due to the difference between different monitors, the pictures may not reflect the actual color of the item"
To which, of course, you have to add ............ "...... or even be the item you receive"
............. As some of those piccies are definitely of a genuince Vic !!
Post by: an0nemus on September 10, 2017, 04:38:21 PM
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Post by: Don Pablo on September 10, 2017, 04:40:29 PM
All too common unfortunately, even here.
Post by: El Corkscrew on September 10, 2017, 07:44:50 PM
Just visited our local mall and saw these selling for $3-4, store branded.
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Why does my stomach hurt after looking at these? :think:
Post by: an0nemus on September 10, 2017, 11:01:56 PM
Just visited our local mall and saw these selling for $3-4, store branded.
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Why does my stomach hurt after looking at these? :think:
I couldn't bring myself to buy one :drink:
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on September 10, 2017, 11:05:52 PM
But OTOH they are at least not advertised as the real thing, nor are they faithful lookalikes...Just visited our local mall and saw these selling for $3-4, store branded.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170910/ef91ef3ffdb5cd03a80a33c0c8b5ccc6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170910/e9f069910273dfd26a9033565df8f788.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170910/e6c8945b538b64bdca275afc7e909731.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170910/f1511565b651c07864ad0c63585d4b6a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170910/a3811f1218466fd09dd456658e7a55b1.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170910/4619c3a5ff5c74690774c76e6ba9998e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170910/42e62e6a10f46e7f5470f9f7b837d484.jpg)
Why does my stomach hurt after looking at these? :think:
I couldn't bring myself to buy one :drink:
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Post by: KandiKlover on September 11, 2017, 02:27:36 PM
Just visited our local mall and saw these selling for $3-4, store branded.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170910/ef91ef3ffdb5cd03a80a33c0c8b5ccc6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170910/e9f069910273dfd26a9033565df8f788.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170910/e6c8945b538b64bdca275afc7e909731.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170910/f1511565b651c07864ad0c63585d4b6a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170910/a3811f1218466fd09dd456658e7a55b1.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170910/4619c3a5ff5c74690774c76e6ba9998e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170910/42e62e6a10f46e7f5470f9f7b837d484.jpg)
Why does my stomach hurt after looking at these? :think:
I couldn't bring myself to buy one :drink:
Lotta dumb kids on the /r/EDC reddit carry those fake ones just like the top picture with the overly rounded off metal scales. Just buy a Classic or used SAK. I messed with a couple of these fakes a long time ago and the metal is soft all of the tools will break fast so might as well not bother. No hate but idk what is wrong with some people. :twak: :twak: :twak:
Post by: WoodsDuck on December 06, 2017, 05:48:16 AM
Post by: El Corkscrew on December 06, 2017, 05:51:47 AM
"9 Kong Zhui"
"26 demolition of wire tool"
:rofl:
Post by: WoodsDuck on December 06, 2017, 06:00:40 AM
I like the description of the folding tool functions...
"9 Kong Zhui"
"26 demolition of wire tool"
:rofl:
Why just cut wire when you can demolish it entirely :viking:
Post by: Mactire404 on December 11, 2017, 12:10:46 PM
Zelf-opgeknapte Victorinox Swisschamp met 3D-geprint handle (DIY Restored Victorinox Swisschamp with 3d printed handle) (https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/verzamelen/overige-verzamelen/m1233575900-zelf-opgeknapte-victorinox-swisschamp-met-3d-geprint-handle.html?c=8c285449651fa109c354bbabe740c1b&previousPage=lr)
Pretty deceiving with the copied SAK scales in the same picture...
In the add, the seller writed he´s not sure if it's a real SAK. :P
But then, another gem from the same seller:
Oud houten zwitsers zakmes multitool knife met veel functies (Old wooden swiss pocketknife with many functions) (https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/verzamelen/overige-verzamelen/m1224890827-oud-houten-zwitsers-zakmes-multitool-knife-met-veel-functies.html?c=3c1f5dcc18d02a99040ca8de656940d2&previousPage=lr)
I'm not sure what happened with the vic logo on the scale...
Well...
(https://i.imgur.com/G3AOwoP.png)
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on December 11, 2017, 04:35:39 PM
The title is three lies for one price. Not old, nor swiss, nor many functions...
Post by: Mactire404 on December 12, 2017, 08:56:53 AM
Because when you look at his other adds you can see he sells a lot of knives.
They are all Chinese knives, but I find it hard to believe he doesn't know they are not real SwissChamps.
Ah well, we have to keep our eyes peeled.
Post by: gene stoner on December 28, 2017, 08:23:32 AM
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-111mm-Black-multifunctional-pocket-knife-folding-stainless-steel-outdoor-camping-survival-knife-multi-tool-free/32727822363.html
Post by: ReamerPunch on December 28, 2017, 08:30:10 AM
A fake Workchamp.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-111mm-Black-multifunctional-pocket-knife-folding-stainless-steel-outdoor-camping-survival-knife-multi-tool-free/32727822363.html
They are selling fake RescueTools too. :facepalm:
Post by: Huntsman on December 28, 2017, 11:04:50 PM
A fake Workchamp
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-111mm-Black-multifunctional-pocket-knife-folding-stainless-steel-outdoor-camping-survival-knife-multi-tool-free/32727822363.html
These guys are really annoying/deceitful - As they include a picture of a genuine Vic - Main pic and next one
Then photos of their fakes
- You see that quite a lot
I feel really sorry for the general public - As they buy one of these things - thinking they have a genuine Vic - when it's not.
It's likely to not be up to scratch - to put it mildly -
So Vic's reputation is damaged and the buyer gets crap
Post by: Reinier on January 30, 2018, 09:21:31 AM
With actual bids :facepalm:
Reported but it's still there.
Post by: AlephZero on January 30, 2018, 09:43:57 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/183037169174
With actual bids :facepalm:
Reported but it's still there.
Reported as well
Post by: El Corkscrew on January 30, 2018, 05:13:38 PM
Post by: Huntsman on January 30, 2018, 11:05:55 PM
But illegal use of the Vic logo/emblem...... >:(
Post by: gene stoner on February 09, 2018, 06:50:57 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Knife-Multi-Function-Compact-Black-Multi-Purpose-Folding-Pocket/302630674630?epid=14012746473&hash=item467631a0c6:g:sQgAAOSwkh9aeszi
Post by: El Corkscrew on February 10, 2018, 01:10:01 AM
Post by: AlephZero on February 10, 2018, 07:08:27 AM
Fake Parachutist.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Knife-Multi-Function-Compact-Black-Multi-Purpose-Folding-Pocket/302630674630?epid=14012746473&hash=item467631a0c6:g:sQgAAOSwkh9aeszi
Not an actual fake as it's not sold as Victorinox, but rather a clone or SAK-a-like :pok:
Impressive actually, that it actually has a brand name, usually these are sold brandless
Post by: Reinier on February 23, 2018, 09:06:27 PM
Post by: Doc1911 on February 24, 2018, 05:05:01 PM
We all know the chinese have produced millions of fake knives some with shields that look near genuine but the knife itself is a P-O-S. The sale and promotion of these fakes hurt the genuine Swiss Army knife business in several ways. Lets use our Forum power and report as many of these fakes to get them removed from eBay and any other reputable web site. Perhaps with our combined efforts it will make some difference.
Here is my first link for you guys to report. Now this listing does not have words that say Victorinox but it does have a photo that clearly shows the shield logo and name Victorinox, so it is trying to promote the knife as genuine. BTW, if you did not know there is a "Report" button on every eBay auction web page. Right side about half way down just before the auction description.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-28-Multifunctional-Stainless-Steel-91mm-Swiss-Knife-Tool-/151071496059?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item232c90177b
Here is what the reporting page looks like and what choices you should choose for fake item reports. Please add any fake auctions or sales you find here and lets stamp out these phoneys.
Post by: lichan on February 26, 2018, 07:14:38 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/202238238554
Well, this one was taken down, so perhaps they do care sometimes.
Post by: Reinier on February 26, 2018, 07:16:34 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/202238238554
Well, this one was taken down, so perhaps they do care sometimes.
Good!
Post by: Reinier on February 27, 2018, 11:05:57 AM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F112781520327
Post by: Reinier on March 06, 2018, 10:48:45 PM
Post by: dks on March 07, 2018, 12:43:04 PM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F382401223127
Many thanks for the link - I just placed a bid on this for 40 Euro, based on your recomendation
:)
Post by: Reinier on March 07, 2018, 12:46:18 PM
Post by: El Corkscrew on March 10, 2018, 01:53:18 AM
I ordered the top pic, the bottom pic arrived.. I guess I'm partially responsible knowing that first pic doesn't quite make sense with the box... but I like taking chances.
At any rate, I'm sending this POS back.
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on March 10, 2018, 11:09:12 AM
:poh: :shrug: :bnghd:
I ordered the top pic, the bottom pic arrived.. I guess I'm partially responsible knowing that first pic doesn't quite make sense with the box... but I like taking chances.
At any rate, I'm sending this POS back.
And please report the seller, because this is simply fraud
Post by: Reinier on March 19, 2018, 11:17:45 PM
People are actually bidding :twak:
Post by: Mechanickal on March 19, 2018, 11:55:36 PM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F173213408852"No longer available"
People are actually bidding :twak:
Post by: Reinier on March 20, 2018, 06:33:17 AM
Post by: Don Pablo on March 20, 2018, 11:56:17 AM
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on May 03, 2018, 01:25:18 PM
First time I see a GAK fake!I don't think it is fake... at least to me it doesn't appear to look like one...It is known that Victorinox sub-contracted the manufacturing of GAKS to other companies such as Aitor, Miltec and MFH...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BW-German-army-Pocket-Multitool-Folding-knife-Bundeswehr-eagle-knife/262581867879?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41668%26meid%3D6de37dabd0234a368a7a32827ac973c1%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D272587263985
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=26444.0
:cheers:
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Now here's something different: a Mil-Tec 111mm GAK:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/263294936194
Post by: Mactire404 on May 03, 2018, 01:33:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/AaqYSi2.png)
The original ad had the card photographed from the back.
It had me look twice.
Post by: AlephZero on May 03, 2018, 04:29:19 PM
First time I see a GAK fake!I don't think it is fake... at least to me it doesn't appear to look like one...It is known that Victorinox sub-contracted the manufacturing of GAKS to other companies such as Aitor, Miltec and MFH...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BW-German-army-Pocket-Multitool-Folding-knife-Bundeswehr-eagle-knife/262581867879?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41668%26meid%3D6de37dabd0234a368a7a32827ac973c1%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D272587263985
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=26444.0
:cheers:
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Now here's something different: a Mil-Tec 111mm GAK:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/263294936194
Mil-Tec makes copies of lots of different military gear, clothes, tools, etc.. I wouldnt really call them fakes, as they don't claim them to be original/genuine :think:
I actually have some of their clothing items, not too bad quality :tu:
Post by: jalind on May 04, 2018, 02:04:04 AM
First time I see a GAK fake!I don't think it is fake... at least to me it doesn't appear to look like one...It is known that Victorinox sub-contracted the manufacturing of GAKS to other companies such as Aitor, Miltec and MFH...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/B...%3D12%26sd%3D272587263985 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/BW-German-army-Pocket-Multitool-Folding-knife-Bundeswehr-eagle-knife/262581867879?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41668%26meid%3D6de37dabd0234a368a7a32827ac973c1%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D272587263985)
https://forum.multitool.o...g/index.php?topic=26444.0 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=26444.0)
:cheers:
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Now here's something different: a Mil-Tec 111mm GAK:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/263294936194
Doesn't surprise me - also knowing about Mil-Tek and their penchant for copying things. Two things I noted:
- eBay Germany
- Knife blade lacks one-hand opening thumb hole
- Appears to have liner lock for knife blade
John
Post by: jalind on May 04, 2018, 04:48:25 PM
An old posting but contains inaccuracies . . .First time I see a GAK fake!I don't think it is fake... at least to me it doesn't appear to look like one...It is known that Victorinox sub-contracted the manufacturing of GAKS to other companies such as Aitor, Miltec and MFH...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/B...%3D12%26sd%3D272587263985 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/BW-German-army-Pocket-Multitool-Folding-knife-Bundeswehr-eagle-knife/262581867879?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41668%26meid%3D6de37dabd0234a368a7a32827ac973c1%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D272587263985)
https://forum.multitool.o...g/index.php?topic=26444.0 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=26444.0)
:cheers:
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Victorinox didn't sub-contact the GAK production. The German government did multiple sourcing for them, having them made to spec, spreading the production out, just as the Swiss Government did between Victorinox and Wenger. Vic only made them for about a decade when they were initially fielded by the Bundeswehr. Vic made some parts for one of the other companies a couple years after that. More details about it are here:
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=GAK#History
John
Post by: ThePeacent on July 23, 2018, 07:32:10 PM
https://www.thecounterfeitreport.com/product/369/Swiss-Champ-Knives.html
https://www.thecounterfeitreport.com/product/338/MiniChamp-Knives.html
Post by: Reinier on November 27, 2018, 11:40:45 AM
Reported a week ago but it's still there. Mesaaged the seller too.
As usual, the listing is still there.
eBay... smurfing piece of smurf.
Post by: gregozedobe on November 28, 2018, 12:41:30 PM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F253996517637
Reported a week ago but it's still there. Mesaaged the seller too.
As usual, the listing is still there.
eBay... smurfing piece of smurf.
Seems to be gone now :tu:
Quote
This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available.
Post by: Reinier on November 28, 2018, 01:27:45 PM
Post by: Reinier on December 20, 2018, 08:14:54 AM
Yes, he pulled it after I told him about it.
(https://i.imgflip.com/2perso.jpg)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254032250619 :facepalm:
Post by: Reinier on December 26, 2018, 07:57:28 AM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.fr%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F372483089631
And this one:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.fr%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F372483089035
Post by: Reinier on December 28, 2018, 09:35:50 PM
Post by: twiliter on December 28, 2018, 09:44:54 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/283264776919
Does the "Imit." mean imitation?
Post by: Reinier on December 28, 2018, 09:48:41 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/283264776919
Does the "Imit." mean imitation?
I guess. But it's still not allowed to use Vic's name :)
Post by: twiliter on December 28, 2018, 11:37:03 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/283264776919
Does the "Imit." mean imitation?
I guess. But it's still not allowed to use Vic's name :)
I think the junky ones ruin the reputation of Swiss Army knives in general, I mean how many people think real SAKs are useless because of those worthless things. There oughtta ba a law! :viking:
Post by: Huntsman on December 28, 2018, 11:41:55 PM
This is also a brech and a con - As they use photos of a real Vic (first and last pics) intermixed with photos of the CCAK
CC = Chinese Crap !
Post by: Reinier on January 15, 2019, 04:29:39 PM
http://link.marktplaats.nl/m1364621105
Post by: Serena on January 15, 2019, 05:48:53 PM
More crap.Reported it.
http://link.marktplaats.nl/m1364621105
Post by: Reinier on January 15, 2019, 06:02:33 PM
Post by: Reinier on January 15, 2019, 06:08:01 PM
More crap.Reported it.
http://link.marktplaats.nl/m1364621105
MP doesn't give a smurf!
Post by: Serena on January 15, 2019, 06:36:08 PM
Hmmmm…More crap.Reported it.
http://link.marktplaats.nl/m1364621105
MP doesn't give a smurf!
Post by: AlephZero on January 15, 2019, 06:59:58 PM
I don't think selling some piece of no-name foam as a Victorinox product is allowed: https://www.ebay.com/itm/202566292641
They actually don't sell it as a Vic product: "Foam is NOT made by Victorinox Swiss Army"
They are just selling it for storing Vic 91mm knives :)
Post by: Reinier on January 15, 2019, 07:14:07 PM
Post by: Reinier on January 15, 2019, 07:14:52 PM
Hmmmm…More crap.Reported it.
http://link.marktplaats.nl/m1364621105
MP doesn't give a smurf!
I don't think I've ever seen them remove an ad that I reported :)
Post by: kamakiri on January 15, 2019, 11:46:21 PM
This is made of all Vic parts, but had parts from very different eras and a greatly re-profiled pruner blade. I wouldn't call it fake. But it is obviously modified/restored to me.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/MT8AAOSwcnxb2NIY/s-l1600.jpg)
I'm thinking most collectors would know most of the issues that this knife has. But two people bid on it...at prices I thought would make sense for an original +PAT version in similar cosmetic condition. :dunno:
Just curious about opinions on this here. I was interested in the knife for parts or as a user, but at significantly lower price in this case.
Post by: El Corkscrew on January 16, 2019, 04:27:29 AM
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Picnicker_91mm
Post by: kamakiri on January 16, 2019, 07:35:02 AM
That's actually a production model, now discontinued, called the Picnicker. That model would be '72-'74 w/ 5 turn corkscrew. The + PAT stops around '71. :cheers:
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Picnicker_91mm
Understood, El C! :cheers: I have several of them plus some of the related Outdoorsman.
I was picking up on a bunch of timeline inconsistencies in this particular one, in that it has parts from at least 3 different knives of 3 different eras. Scraper and 5 twist CS generally go with the old shield Elinox style with Elinox tang stamp, The small v serrated tang would go with a 4 twist and no scraper on the cap lifter and either the new shield in NS or SS with the earlier Camping inlay alignment. The scale is of 90s vintage with that Camping inlay alignment and I've only found them with a big V main blade. The saw is correct for the earlier 2 eras, but certainly not the scale.
I guess I picked a bad example to discuss my point. The modifications aren't as obvious as I thought. :-[ :think:
Post by: Mechanickal on January 16, 2019, 07:44:54 AM
Post by: kamakiri on January 16, 2019, 03:54:21 PM
Keep in mind that Victorinox also restores SAKs with bits and pieces they have laying around ;)
I thought about that, but Victorinox would've replace the pruner blade too. Original pruner blades have quite a hook on them.
There was a c. Late 50s Champion a little while back that looked like it had about half the parts replaced with modern ones. I was guessing that it was a Ibach repair...but didn't really know either way on that one.
Post by: kamakiri on January 16, 2019, 07:11:08 PM
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/xIIAAOSwEHhcPh4g/s-l1600.jpg)
Even aside from the shackle which isn't correct or Victorinox, it has no scraper (which I understand is possible, but rare for this vintage). Updated scales, single leaf on the newer scissor, and the +PAT. At the very least it started as a '68-'71 Champion 'a', with the shackle, scales, and spring replaced - the knife 'obviously' restored/modified/repaired at some point. Seller is silent or unaware of the issue.
Would anyone else call this 'fake'?
Also attaching same files as I only linked the pic earlier.
Post by: kamakiri on January 16, 2019, 07:27:06 PM
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/925/43558068051_7d44ea8650_m.jpg)
The knife in question has a scale like 2nd from the left.
3 eras of Picknicker...just for reference on the scales:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7845/45633319705_458029c125_m.jpg)
Knife in question would have the scale on the bottom or middle, at the latest.
Post by: El Corkscrew on January 17, 2019, 04:16:43 AM
That's actually a production model, now discontinued, called the Picnicker. That model would be '72-'74 w/ 5 turn corkscrew. The + PAT stops around '71. :cheers:
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Picnicker_91mm
Understood, El C! :cheers: I have several of them plus some of the related Outdoorsman.
I was picking up on a bunch of timeline inconsistencies in this particular one, in that it has parts from at least 3 different knives of 3 different eras. Scraper and 5 twist CS generally go with the old shield Elinox style with Elinox tang stamp, The small v serrated tang would go with a 4 twist and no scraper on the cap lifter and either the new shield in NS or SS with the earlier Camping inlay alignment. The scale is of 90s vintage with that Camping inlay alignment and I've only found them with a big V main blade. The saw is correct for the earlier 2 eras, but certainly not the scale.
I guess I picked a bad example to discuss my point. The modifications aren't as obvious as I thought. :-[ :think:
The scraper and 5 turn corkscrews stayed with both the Elinox and Victoria lines until around 74. They introduced a cap lifter without scraper in '69 but then went back to including it until 74 as well as the clip point small blade and 5 turn corkscrew. A lot of these changes were happening concurrently so you'll find knives that don't follow the rules that were made when changes happen, especially in the early 50's, 70's, and 90's. The inlay looks like the first incarnation of the camping inlay. At this time they were experimenting with different scale materials and changing tools. I don't believe the Champion or Picnicker are mods or repairs, I think they're OG. 8) I believe that is a ca. 1969 Champion and a ca. 1974 Picnicker.
If you want more details about this stuff you can look at some of JazzBass's posts or Huntsman's SAK Dating Diagram.
:salute: :cheers:
Post by: kamakiri on January 17, 2019, 06:43:06 AM
The scraper and 5 turn corkscrews stayed with both the Elinox and Victoria lines until around 74. They introduced a cap lifter without scraper in '69 but then went back to including it until 74 as well as the clip point small blade and 5 turn corkscrew. A lot of these changes were happening concurrently so you'll find knives that don't follow the rules that were made when changes happen, especially in the early 50's, 70's, and 90's. The inlay looks like the first incarnation of the camping inlay. At this time they were experimenting with different scale materials and changing tools. I don't believe the Champion or Picnicker are mods or repairs, I think they're OG. 8) I believe that is a ca. 1969 Champion and a ca. 1974 Picnicker.
If you want more details about this stuff you can look at some of JazzBass's posts or Huntsman's SAK Dating Diagram.
:salute: :cheers:
:cheers: Thanks for the reply and discussion, El C! I've spent most of my lurking time going through the dating and timeline resources here and most of what I 'know' is derived from what I've read here, but also furthered somewhat by my own collecting frenzy. I've actually read all of JB's posts back to somewhere in 2015, and have followed Huntsman's chart progression thread from near its beginning. I agree with most of your post above and agree with many of the MTO 'known' inconsistencies compared to official Victorinox published data. I've found a lot of it on my own.
That said, I'm fairly certain that the Camping inlay on that knife is the 4th iteration (not including 3 Hoffritz varieties) that I know of and is after the three in my picture above and reposted bigger here:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7845/45633319705_458029c125_c.jpg)
I think a c. '74 knife should have the Nickel Silver one in the middle. The earliest I can date the first Stainless Steel ones (top in the pic) is c.'76.
If you look at the back of the Picnicker in question, it has the Crossbow OS tang stamp and not the Victoria VOS crossbow as I would expect c. '74.
I don't mean to be a bother. :-[
Post by: Mechanickal on January 17, 2019, 07:01:27 AM
No, I do not think it makes these knives fakes.
Even if they were repaired, it was done by a craftsman or Vic themselves.
Imagine your car breaks down...
You'll have a bunch of options, but I'll use 2 as an example.
- you have your car repaired at the official dealer and you're on your way.
- you have the car repaired at a professional garage where they replaced some parts with unofficial parts.
Is your car a fake after situation 2?
Now, I'm not saying that if your garage builts a Delorean from home made parts, that It would be a Delorean... but a SAK still is a SAK to me when built with the right parts by the right people.
Post by: kamakiri on January 17, 2019, 07:26:25 AM
So if I stipulate that the example knives in question are repairs, then I'm really discussing the difference between a 'good' or 'correct' repair/restoration vs. 'other' repair or restoration.
In the case of the Picnicker, I do see it likely that the source for that serrated small 'v' main blade are other picnickers or outdoorsman. So it's not like sticking Kia parts in a DeLorean...except maybe with that shackle!
Post by: Mechanickal on January 17, 2019, 07:39:38 AM
I do have to admit that my interest in a certain specimen will decline when I find out it was repaired outside of Victorinox.
My Alumnus got repaired at Vic and now sports the wrong tang stamp for it's age. But this does not mean it's now a fake SAK, just less interesting for collectors...
A dude in his shed can throw together a bunch of parts and build a SAK. While not being a genuine SAK made by Vic or Wenger, it's not what I'd call a fake either. So the word "mod" comes along often and might be the best way to describe it.
So if a seller is selling his SAK that he knows isn't fully made or repaired by Vic, should sell it as "modified" if you ask me. But sadly, that's usualy not in the seller's mindset outside of MTO.
Post by: kamakiri on January 17, 2019, 08:05:45 AM
Thanks again Mechanickal! :tu: :hatsoff:
Post by: Mactire404 on January 17, 2019, 10:10:20 AM
A Handyman I ordered didn't show up and communication with the seller was very slow and mainly on my incentive. Should have been a red flag.
Got a really lame excuse yesterday why the SAK didn't arrive. Felt like bullsmurf to me, but I called the postoffice just to make sure. I'm afraid I'll never see that SAK or my money back.
All that's left to do is press charges I'm afraid. Though I doubt that'll change anything for the better.
Better luck next time.
Post by: Huntsman on January 17, 2019, 10:49:44 AM
Really interesting discussion on fakes and also lots of great evolution and dating information here.
I agree wholeheartedly with Mechanical on what is a fake.
To me a fake is only a eg a Chinky SAK pretending to be Swiss SAK.
So what about the mods and repairs - whether by Vic or a modder - Is this a problem or issue? eg if sold on ebay. ???
To me - for ths you have to consider the buyer
If I am just a Joe public wanting a SAK - it does not really matter - As I will just get a nice SAK - As long as price is OK
If I am a collector or expert I will spot the inconsistency and can make a decision about buy or not buy
And for inexperienced sellers - Many of them have very little knowledge of SAKs models and evolution - You can even see this in their descriptions and piccies Eg missing a saw in a piccie or description is surprisingly common.
What I would consider a fake is intentional deception ie a selller trying to sell something that it is not
eg Trying to pass off a 1990s SAK (or even later) as a vintage SAK worth loads of money - Sadly you do see this quite frequently.
Again a seasoned SAK fan or collector will spot this a mile off - So maybe no harm done ? ???
Or a modder creating a rare model and trying to pass it off as a genuine original - I guess that would be hard to spot.
And I guess does qualify as a fake!!
Anyway .......
Hey thanks for the mensh of the dating table El C :cheers:
And this comment really made my day - It's really good to know it's being used and appeciated.
......, and have followed Huntsman's chart progression thread from near its beginning.Thank you kamakiri ..... and welcome to the forum - And great first post/intro BTW :tu: :D
And I gotta say the level of knowledge and detail in some of your posts is way above the table :salute:
Post by: Reinier on January 17, 2019, 10:55:56 AM
Pah! Just got scammed on Marktplaats yesterday I think.
That sucks!
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on January 17, 2019, 11:06:40 AM
Pah! Just got scammed on Marktplaats yesterday I think.
A Handyman I ordered didn't show up and communication with the seller was very slow and mainly on my incentive. Should have been a red flag.
Got a really lame excuse yesterday why the SAK didn't arrive. Felt like bullsmurf to me, but I called the postoffice just to make sure. I'm afraid I'll never see that SAK or my money back.
All that's left to do is press charges I'm afraid. Though I doubt that'll change anything for the better.
Better luck next time.
That sucks! :(
Who was the seller, if I may ask?
Happened to me a couple of years ago, paid for the SAK and immediately after that I got a message saying that the knife got damaged. Never got my money back and never even got a reply to any of my messages.
A week ago it happened again. Made an offer on a SAK, which quickly was accepted. SAK was never sent and never got any replies to my messages anymore. This time however I paid it using a service called "gelijk oversteken", which means that Marktplaats holds the money for seven days unless I claim that I didn't receive the knife. I made a claim. I expect the seller can't provide proof of delivery (never got a track&trace code), so this time I expect to get my money back :)
Post by: Mactire404 on January 17, 2019, 11:54:57 AM
Pah! Just got scammed on Marktplaats yesterday I think.
A Handyman I ordered didn't show up and communication with the seller was very slow and mainly on my incentive. Should have been a red flag.
Got a really lame excuse yesterday why the SAK didn't arrive. Felt like bullsmurf to me, but I called the postoffice just to make sure. I'm afraid I'll never see that SAK or my money back.
All that's left to do is press charges I'm afraid. Though I doubt that'll change anything for the better.
Better luck next time.
That sucks! :(
Who was the seller, if I may ask?
Happened to me a couple of years ago, paid for the SAK and immediately after that I got a message saying that the knife got damaged. Never got my money back and never even got a reply to any of my messages.
A week ago it happened again. Made an offer on a SAK, which quickly was accepted. SAK was never sent and never got any replies to my messages anymore. This time however I paid it using a service called "gelijk oversteken", which means that Marktplaats holds the money for seven days unless I claim that I didn't receive the knife. I made a claim. I expect the seller can't provide proof of delivery (never got a track&trace code), so this time I expect to get my money back :)
This is very interesting.
I'm willing to share the name and other data, but not on the open board. That could be considered slander.
And since I still hope to hear something, though mu gut says I won't.
I'll send you a PM.
Post by: Mechanickal on January 17, 2019, 12:16:52 PM
I pressed charges and the officer told me I'd hear the outcome. Even if they just canceled the case.
3 years later... NOTHING.
Learning money...
Post by: Mechanickal on January 17, 2019, 12:19:59 PM
I'm not used to people agreeing with me :rofl:
:cheers:
Post by: Reinier on January 17, 2019, 12:42:53 PM
I'm not used to people agreeing with me :rofl:
We're all pretending here because we feel sorry for you :P
Post by: Mechanickal on January 17, 2019, 12:59:46 PM
Post by: kamakiri on January 17, 2019, 05:40:21 PM
Hi Guys,Thanks Huntsman for your comments about my question. I wanted some feedback from the group on this issue since I am perfectly capable of creating mods and repairs that would be indistinguishable with (if I take my time) or without tear-down and make it correct looking just externally. I have knives that are disassembled for repair, but wasn't sure if I wanted to bother restoring to 100% correct, or making 'obvious' mod/restoration that would be somewhat self-explanatory in pictures.
Really interesting discussion on fakes and also lots of great evolution and dating information here.
I agree wholeheartedly with Mechanical on what is a fake.
To me a fake is only a eg a Chinky SAK pretending to be Swiss SAK.
So what about the mods and repairs - whether by Vic or a modder - Is this a problem or issue? eg if sold on ebay. ???
To me - for ths you have to consider the buyer
If I am just a Joe public wanting a SAK - it does not really matter - As I will just get a nice SAK - As long as price is OK
If I am a collector or expert I will spot the inconsistency and can make a decision about buy or not buy
And for inexperienced sellers - Many of them have very little knowledge of SAKs models and evolution - You can even see this in their descriptions and piccies Eg missing a saw in a piccie or description is surprisingly common.
What I would consider a fake is intentional deception ie a selller trying to sell something that it is not
eg Trying to pass off a 1990s SAK (or even later) as a vintage SAK worth loads of money - Sadly you do see this quite frequently.
Again a seasoned SAK fan or collector will spot this a mile off - So maybe no harm done ? ???
Or a modder creating a rare model and trying to pass it off as a genuine original - I guess that would be hard to spot.
And I guess does qualify as a fake!!
For example, I bought this back in June last year:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/920/42840139924_8781b1bbfe_m.jpg)
Disassembled it shortly after:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/920/28670642197_c39a40ae12_m.jpg)
...and was going to restore it for my collection (blades and broken liners).
But while I was gathering liner donors, I found one in B+/A- condition and put the rest in a box and have been waffling about repairing and selling or making a 'fun' resto-mod that I'd keep. I've had trouble since, deciding how I'd list the knife if I ever decided to sell it. I've never sold a single knife before. I'd like to change that and not do anything that this community would not approve of.
I did find this thread on fakes after hitting buy-it-now on a 'Champion' for ~$9 thinking I was getting a steal. Had a real vic on the first picture and that's all I looked at when I pulled the trigger. Then I reviewed the rest of the pics. :facepalm: I got lucky and the seller did cancel the order and refund my money.
Anyway .......
Hey thanks for the mensh of the dating table El C :cheers:
And this comment really made my day - It's really good to know it's being used and appeciated......., and have followed Huntsman's chart progression thread from near its beginning.Thank you kamakiri ..... and welcome to the forum - And great first post/intro BTW :tu: :D
And I gotta say the level of knowledge and detail in some of your posts is way above the table :salute:
Many thanks for that, and please know I think your thread is key in shaking out much of the great info available here. :tu: I have rough 'proof' that I've been reading it...When I read this post from El C there:
For my interests... Threads like this are exactly why I joined this forum. :salute:
I signed up immediately after I read that. It rung true for me. How could I not sign up? So thanks to both of you for motivating me to take the first step almost a year ago. Glad to be a participating member now! :cheers: :salute:
Post by: Huntsman on January 17, 2019, 10:35:36 PM
So your query is also about you being a seller and selling a restored SAK.
In that case if it were me - and it sounds like you would take a similar approach as an open and honest seller - I would have no hesitation in restoring the SAK to exactly how it should be as a standard model (ideally also aligning time periods of parts if possible) and posting it as a genuine Vic.
However in the comments I would just say the SAK had been restored. I would not list any details on this.
But that leaves an open door for any buyer to PM you to ask for details.
For me I would not offer PMs in the listing - the buyer could can decide independently if they wanted to, if they did, I would reply with full details
I would also offer a full refund if they were not happy - No questions asked - But they pay return postage.
Unless there has been a genuine problem/issue when I would also refund postage.
I would mention this in the listing.
Everything is above board, open and honest, with this approach
However I am sure that some sellers would leave out the restoration comment - And that is deceptive - Even if it is not a fake
Post by: kamakiri on January 17, 2019, 11:31:14 PM
:cheers: Thanks for the selling/listing advice. I might be able to make use of it someday. One trouble I have on that note is that I'd like to be able to openly sell modified knives too. I'd have to wonder how much somebody would trust a shop that does both.
Post by: El Corkscrew on January 18, 2019, 05:54:10 AM
Post by: Reinier on February 06, 2019, 08:04:19 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/222498527803
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on February 06, 2019, 08:12:13 AM
Post by: Reinier on February 06, 2019, 08:18:40 AM
The Brand keyword suggests these are Vics. Seller won't alter his listing :facepalm:
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on February 06, 2019, 09:17:47 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/183449022630
The Brand keyword suggests these are Vics. Seller won't alter his listing :facepalm:
Well, he does say they are "Vtg Swiss Army knockoffs" ::)
Post by: Reinier on February 06, 2019, 10:29:28 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/183449022630
The Brand keyword suggests these are Vics. Seller won't alter his listing :facepalm:
Well, he does say they are "Vtg Swiss Army knockoffs" ::)
But still he uses the Vic brand name. He won't change it though.
Post by: Reinier on February 06, 2019, 10:30:41 AM
Post by: Reinier on February 06, 2019, 02:54:05 PM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F292949931741
Post by: Huntsman on February 06, 2019, 09:12:34 PM
But still he uses the Vic brand name. He won't change it though.https://www.ebay.com/itm/183449022630Well, he does say they are "Vtg Swiss Army knockoffs" ::)
The Brand keyword suggests these are Vics. Seller won't alter his listing :facepalm:
Reporting to ebay has no effect
Sounds like challenging the seller is doing nothing either
However you can report him to Victorinox though - They protect their brand and usually take action!
Post by: kamakiri on February 06, 2019, 10:10:13 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/183449022630
The Brand keyword suggests these are Vics. Seller won't alter his listing :facepalm:
Well, he does say they are "Vtg Swiss Army knockoffs" ::)
But still he uses the Vic brand name. He won't change it though.
??? Dudes. I don't know what you're Smurfin' problem is. Those look: Just. Like. Mine. ::)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4880/46095785295_5a81f6c743_n.jpg)
Except for the shackle, of course! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Post by: Reinier on February 06, 2019, 10:57:59 PM
Post by: kamakiri on February 06, 2019, 11:23:00 PM
Yours is worse! Because two knives is better than one!Well, that's for certain, Captain Obvious! ::) :pok: I'd pay double!
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 08, 2019, 05:57:34 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Cadet-Knife/264177855122?hash=item3d823a2a92%3Ag%3Ah0QAAOSw3RdblEYm&LH_Auction=1
Would be a nice loadout for a cadet. Corkscrew and miniscrewdriver looks weird as well. Not to mention that there is no Victorinox inscription on the blade or the shield on the scales.
Post by: Reinier on February 08, 2019, 06:51:24 AM
Post by: kamakiri on February 08, 2019, 07:00:20 AM
I like #7 and #15, and #16:
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 08, 2019, 07:05:11 AM
LOL. :facepalm: Just like my '86-'87 Champs ::)
I like #7 and #15, and #16:
I didn‘t even see those pictures. This is hilarious :facepalm:
Post by: Mechanickal on February 08, 2019, 07:56:29 AM
Oh come on.Actualy, Zwilling knives are great quality.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F292949931741
I once held one before knowing the brand and thought it was a promotional SAK. Perfect fit & finish, great lock-up.
Post by: Reinier on February 08, 2019, 08:35:21 AM
Oh come on.Actualy, Zwilling knives are great quality.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F292949931741
I once held one before knowing the brand and thought it was a promotional SAK. Perfect fit & finish, great lock-up.
Yes, but still.
Maybe but not a fake (some may disagree) but it's still misusing a brand name.
Post by: Mechanickal on February 08, 2019, 08:39:22 AM
Ah.Oh come on.Actualy, Zwilling knives are great quality.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F292949931741
I once held one before knowing the brand and thought it was a promotional SAK. Perfect fit & finish, great lock-up.
Yes, but still.
Maybe but not a fake (some may disagree) but it's still misusing a brand name.
Didn't notice :D
Post by: Reinier on February 08, 2019, 08:41:00 AM
All's good now.
Post by: Reinier on February 08, 2019, 09:29:06 AM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F292951677516
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 09, 2019, 03:44:49 AM
If i read that right, it says stainless china on the knife... :facepalm:
Post by: Reinier on February 09, 2019, 05:39:10 AM
Post by: Reinier on February 09, 2019, 10:38:00 PM
smurfholes
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 10, 2019, 04:06:34 AM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F264187916173
smurfholes
Oh come on, they are not even trying :rofl: :facepalm:
Post by: Reinier on February 10, 2019, 07:44:20 AM
Post by: gerleatherberman on February 10, 2019, 07:56:41 AM
Thanks for posting that one, Reinier.
Post by: Reinier on February 10, 2019, 09:53:01 AM
Post by: AlephZero on February 11, 2019, 09:43:06 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/victorinox-knife-2-25-closed-abs-handle/382763516932?hash=item591e7bc404%3Ag%3ATBAAAOSwJXxcVcTq&LH_Auction=1
If i read that right, it says stainless china on the knife... :facepalm:
You sure you posted the correct link? Only tang stamp I saw was quite normal looking "Officier Suisse"... Tools look pretty good too :think: :dunno:
Post by: Reinier on February 11, 2019, 10:04:29 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/victorinox-knife-2-25-closed-abs-handle/382763516932?hash=item591e7bc404%3Ag%3ATBAAAOSwJXxcVcTq&LH_Auction=1
If i read that right, it says stainless china on the knife... :facepalm:
You sure you posted the correct link? Only tang stamp I saw was quite normal looking "Officier Suisse"... Tools look pretty good too :think: :dunno:
Look closely, the listing has ended so eBay shows a suggestion (which is a real SAK).
This is the original one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/victorinox-knife-2-25-closed-abs-handle-/382763516932?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l44720&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true
Post by: AlephZero on February 11, 2019, 02:29:42 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/victorinox-knife-2-25-closed-abs-handle/382763516932?hash=item591e7bc404%3Ag%3ATBAAAOSwJXxcVcTq&LH_Auction=1
If i read that right, it says stainless china on the knife... :facepalm:
You sure you posted the correct link? Only tang stamp I saw was quite normal looking "Officier Suisse"... Tools look pretty good too :think: :dunno:
Look closely, the listing has ended so eBay shows a suggestion (which is a real SAK).
This is the original one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/victorinox-knife-2-25-closed-abs-handle-/382763516932?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l44720&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true
:facepalm:
Serves me right not reading it properly... :twak:
Post by: Reinier on February 11, 2019, 02:43:57 PM
Post by: kamakiri on February 14, 2019, 03:19:19 AM
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JekAAOSwa3lcLzV7/s-l1600.jpg)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Credit-Card-Tool-Knife-Stainless-Steel-Blade-Business-Plastic-Swiss-Magnifier45g/292902348711
:facepalm:
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 14, 2019, 05:14:30 AM
Post by: Reinier on February 16, 2019, 07:37:58 AM
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 16, 2019, 07:48:01 AM
Post by: Reinier on February 16, 2019, 07:55:41 AM
Post by: gerleatherberman on February 16, 2019, 08:10:31 AM
Post by: AlephZero on February 16, 2019, 08:33:56 AM
Reported. Thanks Reinier :tu:
:iagree:
Reported as well. :twak:
Post by: Reinier on February 16, 2019, 07:47:29 PM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F292964825640
Seller was pretty rude when I told him about it.
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 16, 2019, 08:02:13 PM
Post by: gerleatherberman on February 17, 2019, 06:40:01 AM
Post by: Reinier on February 17, 2019, 07:25:12 AM
Unfortunately he covered himself using the word "style." :facepalm:
It's still not allowed!
Seller wouldn't believe me though.
Quote
I want to sell a t-shirt that looks like an Adidas shirt. Can I put "Adidas" in the listing?
No, because you're not selling an Adidas t-shirt. Including it would be both misleading to buyers and a breach of that brand's trademark. This is a search manipulation tactic called keyword spamming, where brand names or other inappropriate keywords are added to a listing's title or description to attract buyers.
https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-policies/search-browse-manipulation-policy?id=4243
I even sent him that link.
Post by: kamakiri on February 17, 2019, 07:25:56 AM
Post by: gerleatherberman on February 17, 2019, 07:57:46 AM
Quote from: Reinier
Thanks for the information! I'm gonna go bonkers reporting bad listings. The use of Leatherman for any MT drives me nuts as well as Vic for CAKs.
It's still not allowed!
Seller wouldn't believe me though.
Post by: Reinier on February 17, 2019, 08:15:05 AM
Quote from: ReinierThanks for the information! I'm gonna go bonkers reporting bad listings. The use of Leatherman for any MT drives me nuts as well as Vic for CAKs.
It's still not allowed!
Seller wouldn't believe me though.
:cheers:
And please report the one I linked to, just to prove that seller wrong :D
Post by: gerleatherberman on February 17, 2019, 08:19:06 AM
:cheers:
:cheers:
And please report the one I linked to, just to prove that seller wrong :D
And..done..reported. :)
Post by: Reinier on February 17, 2019, 08:21:51 AM
Post by: Reinier on February 18, 2019, 10:46:25 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2019-NEW-91mm-Knife-Swiss-Victorinox-Army-New-Handles-Scales-Plus-Red-Tinker/292951677516?var=591737968608
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Classic-SD-Pocket-Knife-Translucent-Ruby-Red-New/143077036843
Misusing a brand name:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-style-multitool-Knife-Great-Christmas-gift/292964897911
https://www.ebay.com/itm/lot-of-3-new-knives-Swiss-Army-Victorinox-style-mutitool-great-Chistmas-gift/292964825640
Swiss? Not Swiss at all:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Multifunctional-Swiss-91mm-Folding-Knife-Stainless-Steel-Multi-tool-Army-Knife/183529006363
Post by: Reinier on February 18, 2019, 10:48:11 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Swiss-Army-Pocket-Knife-Folding-Multi-Tool-Camping-Survival-Shackle-EDC-Gift/123581447809
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 18, 2019, 02:58:46 PM
Post by: Reinier on February 18, 2019, 03:00:18 PM
I guess it's not really in their interest to do so.
Post by: gerleatherberman on February 18, 2019, 07:16:35 PM
I'll go report them, but it doesn't look to be working at all. >:(
Post by: Reinier on February 18, 2019, 07:22:41 PM
Post by: gerleatherberman on February 18, 2019, 07:24:38 PM
In my experience reporting works 0.42% of the time.Sad, but true. :-\
But, that may be optimistic. :rant: (ranting at ebay).
Post by: Reinier on February 19, 2019, 02:53:08 PM
https://www.ebay.de/itm/1-SCHWEIZER-TASCHENMESSER-MODELL-SWISS-CHAMP-Schweizer-Taschenmesser/142461397231?hash=item212b5c68ef:g:LUwAAOSwLgtZikLE
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 19, 2019, 03:28:06 PM
Nice Swisschamps!
https://www.ebay.de/itm/1-SCHWEIZER-TASCHENMESSER-MODELL-SWISS-CHAMP-Schweizer-Taschenmesser/142461397231?hash=item212b5c68ef:g:LUwAAOSwLgtZikLE
:facepalm: I had a good laugh at the sellers attempt to write German... :rofl:
Post by: Reinier on February 19, 2019, 03:34:24 PM
It's kind of weird that the seller is in France and in China at the same time.
Post by: Reinier on February 19, 2019, 03:55:06 PM
I told the seller this is a Chinese piece of junk. He got very angry with me. Oh well.
Post by: Mechanickal on February 19, 2019, 03:58:47 PM
https://link.marktplaats.nl/m1376879162Condition: "as good as new"
I told the seller this is a Chinese piece of junk. He got very angry with me. Oh well.
...
...
:rofl:
Post by: Mechanickal on February 19, 2019, 04:34:42 PM
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on February 19, 2019, 04:37:59 PM
Post by: Reinier on February 19, 2019, 04:39:30 PM
Let's all contact him >:D
Our Belgian friend has already fixed things. He should be a diplomat. He can get things done :)
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on February 19, 2019, 04:40:28 PM
Post by: Mechanickal on February 19, 2019, 04:41:16 PM
Did it work?? :dd:
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on February 19, 2019, 04:44:58 PM
Send me all your SAKs please...
Did it work?? :dd:
Sorry, can’t extradite mine to Belgium. They have diplomatic immunity.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190219/c43f5b41ca50c75e64dc269c3205e118.jpg)
Post by: Mechanickal on February 19, 2019, 04:50:42 PM
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on February 19, 2019, 04:54:11 PM
That just means they can drive here at any speed they desire and park on the bike lane when they get here. :ahhh
Interesting. Does their owner get the same diplomatic privileges? :whistle:
Post by: Mechanickal on February 19, 2019, 04:56:37 PM
I'll let you know when I found out :pok:That just means they can drive here at any speed they desire and park on the bike lane when they get here. :ahhh
Interesting. Does their owner get the same diplomatic privileges? :whistle:
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on February 19, 2019, 04:59:21 PM
I'll let you know when I found out :pok:That just means they can drive here at any speed they desire and park on the bike lane when they get here. :ahhh
Interesting. Does their owner get the same diplomatic privileges? :whistle:
:wait:
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 20, 2019, 05:31:54 AM
Post by: Reinier on February 20, 2019, 03:01:19 PM
Post by: Reinier on February 20, 2019, 03:03:11 PM
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 23, 2019, 09:24:55 PM
:facepalm: That one does not even look like a SAK
Post by: Reinier on February 23, 2019, 09:48:34 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MultiFunction-Tool-Cadet-Swiss-Knife-Army-Folding-Knife-MultiFunction-Tool/264196425508?hash=item3d83558724%3Ag%3AnZgAAOSwucxbl-8c&LH_Auction=1
:facepalm: That one does not even look like a SAK
Junk...
And did you see his T-shirts?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/T-Shirt-Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Cadet-Knife/264118737925
Post by: Mechanickal on February 23, 2019, 10:00:46 PM
Post by: Butch on February 23, 2019, 10:20:21 PM
:facepalm:
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 24, 2019, 01:31:07 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MultiFunction-Tool-Cadet-Swiss-Knife-Army-Folding-Knife-MultiFunction-Tool/264196425508?hash=item3d83558724%3Ag%3AnZgAAOSwucxbl-8c&LH_Auction=1
:facepalm: That one does not even look like a SAK
Junk...
And did you see his T-shirts?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/T-Shirt-Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Cadet-Knife/264118737925
That‘s even better :rofl:
Post by: Reinier on February 24, 2019, 01:46:18 PM
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 24, 2019, 03:41:43 PM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183700624629
These are ok Reinier. The description just says ˋ2 Pocket Knives. These are NO Victorinox!´
Post by: Reinier on February 24, 2019, 03:56:50 PM
But I think I am the only one who cares ;)
Post by: Reinier on February 24, 2019, 03:58:29 PM
Post by: Reinier on February 24, 2019, 04:01:47 PM
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 24, 2019, 06:46:13 PM
Post by: Reinier on February 24, 2019, 07:24:59 PM
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 24, 2019, 10:14:14 PM
Post by: Reinier on March 15, 2019, 04:15:12 PM
Post by: Mechanickal on March 15, 2019, 04:21:09 PM
Post by: Reinier on March 17, 2019, 09:12:02 AM
Pieces of smurf.
And people are actually bidding :facepalm:
Post by: AlephZero on March 17, 2019, 09:43:42 PM
You and me, we can spot the ChinaChamp, but all they see is a bargain... >:(
Post by: Reinier on July 20, 2019, 12:05:06 PM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F264101687902
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F302933257311
Reported a while back. But of couse the listings are still there. eBay does not care.
Post by: cody6268 on July 20, 2019, 03:27:24 PM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F333270112592
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F264101687902
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F302933257311
Reported a while back. But of couse the listings are still there. eBay does not care.
I saw a fake Kabar, emailed Kabar about it (after reporting it myself), and Kabar themselves filed a claim against the fake Mark I, but eBay didn't do a thing.
Post by: spudley112 on July 20, 2019, 03:36:38 PM
Post by: Reinier on September 22, 2019, 06:40:36 PM
Oh please!!! Idiot!
Post by: Mechanickal on September 22, 2019, 08:47:20 PM
Post by: kamakiri on September 23, 2019, 03:56:40 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/163874796969
Oh please!!! Idiot!
"5 sold in 24 hours"
:facepalm: :oops:
Post by: Reinier on September 23, 2019, 09:38:19 AM
Post by: Aloha on September 23, 2019, 06:28:31 PM
Post by: AlephZero on September 23, 2019, 07:47:35 PM
Post by: Huntsman on September 23, 2019, 09:45:40 PM
However if you report to Victorinox - Something usually happens !! >:D :D
Not sure if this was the result of my contact with Vic - ........
Post by: Rapidray on September 23, 2019, 10:08:51 PM
If you report these guys to ebay - Which I have done frequently - They do nothing - Which is shocking ....I could see eBay jumping with Victorinox getting in contact with them. :salute:
However if you report to Victorinox - Something usually happens !! >:D :D
Not sure if this was the result of my contact with Vic - ........
Post by: Scubadawg1 on September 24, 2019, 02:12:41 AM
Post by: Huntsman on September 24, 2019, 04:51:05 AM
He has the 2 for 1 deal listed three times at $70, $80, $100 - Smart - Hmm which one should I choose ? ???
Or individual at $55
All not worth more than $5 !!
Post by: Aloha on September 24, 2019, 06:36:21 AM
Post by: Reinier on September 24, 2019, 12:10:48 PM
Post by: Reinier on September 24, 2019, 12:12:57 PM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F273374065982
Post by: Aloha on September 24, 2019, 04:45:17 PM
Post by: Huntsman on September 25, 2019, 12:09:14 AM
It's really frustrating - Especially when ebay does nothing about it
Post by: kamakiri on October 19, 2019, 06:25:14 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Pocket-Knife-StayGlow-111mm-Rescue-Tool-Survival/133205153001
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1BMAAOSwPAldpzsV/s-l1600.jpg)
Post by: Simon_Templar on October 20, 2019, 12:04:07 AM
Fake Rescue Tool for sale:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Pocket-Knife-StayGlow-111mm-Rescue-Tool-Survival/133205153001
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1BMAAOSwPAldpzsV/s-l1600.jpg)
Kamakiri, I apologize in advance for my ignorance in these matters, but how could you tell this one is fake? I compared the pics to the photo on Sakwiki and couldn't really spot the difference(s?). What gave it away?
Post by: Huntsman on October 20, 2019, 12:31:56 AM
ST Please don't apologise - We love questions like this and this site is all about discussing stuff and sharing our knowledge.
Very good question - But I agree with KK - This is a fake
There were a lot of (very good) fakes around when this model first came out as it is a high value item
For this one clues are
- The toothpick and tweezer slots are too big - They 'fit' exactly on real Vics
- The serrations on the main and belt cutter blade are too pointy
- The Vic logo and 'Rescue Tool' text are unlikely to fade/wear like that (as much) on a real one
- Oh and the 'big' one - A hole in the awl - Liner lock 111mm models never had the hole !!
- Also the point on the window breaker looks too smooth!
This is a very good fake and these differences are very hard to spot - Which is a shame for ebay buyers
Another clue was the shape of the thumb hole - But that looks about right on this one
There is an article around somewhere I will dig it out.
EDIT: Here is the article from Archerwin's blog..
http://archerwinsak.blogspot.com/2014/06/review-how-to-spot-fake-victorinox.html
And it looks like the hole is wrong in this fake as per the article!
Also if you search this forum - You'll find a few articles on this topic :tu:
Post by: Scubadawg1 on October 20, 2019, 12:37:01 AM
Huntsman, thanks for explaining, I see the problems now.
Post by: kamakiri on October 20, 2019, 01:35:30 AM
Can I chip in ? ??? :tu:
Can I still say 'no'? :tu: ;)
...
Simon - Huntsman got you covered with the reasons. First thing that caught my eye were the serrations. But it goes downhill from there immediately. Judging knives from crappy auction photos takes a bit of practice and painful moments in between...
Post by: Reinier on October 20, 2019, 05:58:08 AM
Reported (yesterday). But the ad is still there :)
Post by: Simon_Templar on October 20, 2019, 09:15:10 AM
Can I chip in ? ??? :tu:
ST Please don't apologise - We love questions like this and this site is all about discussing stuff and sharing our knowledge.
Very good question - But I agree with KK - This is a fake
There were a lot of (very good) fakes around when this model first came out as it is a high value item
For this one clues are
- The toothpick and tweezer slots are too big - They 'fit' exactly on real Vics
- The serrations on the main and belt cutter blade are too pointy
- The Vic logo and 'Rescue Tool' text are unlikely to fade/wear like that (as much) on a real one
- Oh and the 'big' one - A hole in the awl - Liner lock 111mm models never had the hole !!
- Also the point on the window breaker looks too smooth!
This is a very good fake and these differences are very hard to spot - Which is a shame for ebay buyers
Another clue was the shape of the thumb hole - But that looks about right on this one
There is an article around somewhere I will dig it out.
EDIT: Here is the article from Archerwin's blog..
http://archerwinsak.blogspot.com/2014/06/review-how-to-spot-fake-victorinox.html
And it looks like the hole is wrong in this fake as per the article!
Also if you search this forum - You'll find a few articles on this topic :tu:
Many thanks, Huntsman et al., that is very interesting indeed! :tu:
I did notice that the TT slots looked a bit too recessed. But the TT seemed to fit fine, so I thought nothing of it. I will pay more attention to that detail in the future. The liner lock/awl thing is obviously big. But you need to know the 111mm line - or at least the Rescue Tool - in detail to spot that. I sure didn't :(
For educational purposes, it would be great if you experts could explain the details of an elaborate fake when you post it in this thread. I consult it every once in a while to learn more about fakes and I am sure others do too.
By the way, I just had a deeper look into the ebay seller: "knifelady80" has a good reputation and seems to deal in used Vics on a large scale. I imagine she doesn't know herself the thing is fake - maybe one of you should let her know.
Post by: Mechanickal on October 20, 2019, 10:34:21 AM
Post by: VICMAN on October 20, 2019, 02:08:02 PM
Post by: kamakiri on October 20, 2019, 05:48:21 PM
For educational purposes, it would be great if you experts could explain the details of an elaborate fake when you post it in this thread. I consult it every once in a while to learn more about fakes and I am sure others do too.There are already a lot of articles and posts/threads and youtube videos specifically about the Rescue Tool fakes. I mostly wanted to post that I saw one so that nobody here would buy it unknowingly. Honestly, I almost want it just for the example as I don't have one.
I think otherwise, this thread is a great resource for learning about fake SAKs. Perhaps the best place. Earlier this year I posted about some knives that I thought were 'obvious' fakes...I was wrong. :facepalm: Another reason for me to post about it here.
By the way, I just had a deeper look into the ebay seller: "knifelady80" has a good reputation and seems to deal in used Vics on a large scale. I imagine she doesn't know herself the thing is fake - maybe one of you should let her know.Oh, I did that days before I posted it (just checked - was 10/16). Thought I'd give her a chance to pull/cancel the auction. I'm really surprised it wasn't at least amended...hence my post. She does provide good enough pictures that she shouldn't have any issues with a return, which she does allow. Perhaps she doubted that I knew what I was talking about. :dunno:
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on October 21, 2019, 08:16:40 AM
There are already a lot of articles and posts/threads and youtube videos specifically about the Rescue Tool fakes. I mostly wanted to post that I saw one so that nobody here would buy it unknowingly. Honestly, I almost want it just for the example as I don't have one.
I think otherwise, this thread is a great resource for learning about fake SAKs. Perhaps the best place. Earlier this year I posted about some knives that I thought were 'obvious' fakes...I was wrong. :facepalm: Another reason for me to post about it here.
Oh, I did that days before I posted it (just checked - was 10/16). Thought I'd give her a chance to pull/cancel the auction. I'm really surprised it wasn't at least amended...hence my post. She does provide good enough pictures that she shouldn't have any issues with a return, which she does allow. Perhaps she doubted that I knew what I was talking about. :dunno:
Well it is a really good fake SAK, one of the best i've seen so far. This one could fool a lot of people, and I can't really blame them for being fooled. Only if you really invested a lot of time in SAKs you'd be able to tell it's a fake. Good chance the seller simply doesn't believe it's fake.
Post by: Rapidray on October 21, 2019, 04:28:40 PM
Well it is a really good fake SAK, one of the best i've seen so far. This one could fool a lot of people, and I can't really blame them for being fooled. Only if you really invested a lot of time in SAKs you'd be able to tell it's a fake. Good chance the seller simply doesn't believe it's fake.:iagree:
Post by: kamakiri on October 28, 2019, 04:04:03 PM
:iagree::iagree:
More fake Aitors. :facepalm:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/vjMAAOSwUrJZzaCd/s-l1600.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cu8AAOSwy0JZzaDR/s-l1600.jpg)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Red-Multi-function-Army-Knife-13-Function-Knife-by-Whetstone-w-Gift-Box/132344756644
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Red-13-Function-Boyscout-Type-Army-Knife-Multi-Tool/113868088064
Technically, nothing to report to *bay one these as they don't really claim to be something they're not...
Post by: Reinier on October 28, 2019, 10:05:24 PM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F312821669054
Post by: Reinier on March 08, 2020, 01:12:40 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on March 08, 2020, 09:05:19 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/264659327910I found that thing in my granddads shed! I think helped me fall down the multitool hole. :think:
Shame on the seller for trying to pass it off as a SAK. :twak:
Post by: Reinier on September 25, 2020, 09:06:46 AM
https://www.ebay.de/itm/392957248873
Except it's a Richartz :facepalm:
Post by: gregozedobe on September 25, 2020, 10:44:03 AM
Nice Mercedes Victorinox
https://www.ebay.de/itm/392957248873
Except it's a Richartz :facepalm:
Looks like the seller has corrected their ad to Richartz :tu:
Post by: Reinier on September 25, 2020, 10:51:00 AM
Looks like the seller has corrected their ad to Richartz :tu:
:tu:
I sent the seller a message and he or she replied stating it was just a mistake.
Post by: Nick4 on September 26, 2020, 09:34:56 AM
Post by: Reinier on October 14, 2020, 07:56:13 PM
Post by: Reinier on October 15, 2020, 07:21:33 AM
More crap
Post by: Reinier on October 15, 2020, 07:24:03 AM
Made in: Sweden :facepalm:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/203135418497
Except it's a bunch of rusty garbage.
Post by: Reinier on December 22, 2020, 10:38:09 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/353327416242
Post by: Reinier on December 22, 2020, 10:39:33 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/383869174737
Yeah, sure!
Post by: Reinier on January 07, 2021, 10:15:31 PM
Post by: Rizio Il Ghiro on January 07, 2021, 10:25:11 PM
Post by: Reinier on January 07, 2021, 10:40:21 PM
Post by: Reinier on January 08, 2021, 10:44:06 AM
Post by: Reinier on February 05, 2021, 04:25:55 PM
Puke vomit crap aargh crap :twak: :rant:
Post by: Huntsman on February 05, 2021, 09:33:14 PM
Interesting - This looks to be a different knock-off from the one that was around a few years ago
Possibly not copying the tang stamps?
And at least the ebay seller does not say Victorinox
But still an illegal use of the logo and Schweizer Taschenmesser my arse - Chinky Taschenmesser more like
And what is really sad - and really p1sses me off - Is that, to the unknowledgeable, innocent eye - A purchaser will think they are getting a great deal on a real SAK!
Post by: Reinier on February 07, 2021, 08:40:13 AM
And this one is a Richartz made by Victorinox :think:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/233886266565
Post by: Jim the Brave on February 07, 2021, 06:06:29 PM
:iagree:
More fake Aitors. :facepalm:
Technically, nothing to report to *bay one these as they don't really claim to be something they're not...
Yeah, I get a ton of these through my hands as they are often in mass lots of knives I buy. I tend to buy them for around $1 and sell them for $2. There are people who buy them just because they're cheap and that's all the money they have to spend. I always make sure to remind the buyers they are cheap junky knives and you get what you pay for. But I do have to try to unload them once they're in my possession.
I like to refer to them as Red Army Knives.
Spotting them is very easy, and I awlways watch for several key things you can tell at a glance in the photos....
1. The "battleship battery". The backside tools are all exposed and open to the air...no completion of the semicircle on that end of the scales, to protect the tips of the backside tools from catching on things, or to guard your hand from the backside tools while using the other tools.
2. Corkscrew and backside phillips on the same knife. While not a bad idea, Victorinox has never done this. Consequently, Vic knives always have at least one scale with no cutout. (See # 1. above).
3. That notorious scissors nub. The scissors have a distinct nub on them to aid (dubiously) with opening them out of the knife. This nub is visible with all the tools retracted, and it forms a distinct bump between the two openers.
Post by: Nick4 on February 07, 2021, 07:17:44 PM
I like to refer to them as Red Army Knives.Objection! The Red Army has nothing to do with this rubbish. :ahhh
Post by: Huntsman on February 07, 2021, 10:21:37 PM
Red (Pocket) Knives then ............ :think:
Post by: Reinier on February 13, 2021, 10:52:56 AM
https://link.marktplaats.nl/m1665753131
Post by: Reinier on February 15, 2021, 07:02:41 AM
https://www.ebay.de/itm/254851585046
Puke vomit crap aargh crap :twak: :rant:
Aaaaaaaaaand relisted: https://www.ebay.de/itm/254867801930
Post by: Rizio Il Ghiro on February 15, 2021, 09:39:23 AM