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Tool Talk => Swiss Army Knights Forum => Topic started by: ketchupgun on December 20, 2011, 10:26:36 AM
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At the risk of sounding like a dimwit: what's the purpose of the small blade on victorinoxes ? What do "you" use it for?
I've never used the one in my voyager lite nor the one on my huntsman and I often think I'd prefer if it weren't there and make the MT thinner .
Thx for your patience😊
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some use it for whittling, some like to keep one of the blades separate for food prep.
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Anything where a little precision is needed - whittling too.
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Back up blade in case the other goes dull ... which is code for I don't use it ;)
To be honest I feel the combo tool, the alox awl, and the wenger nail file are all better accompanyments to the main blade
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Back up blade in case the other goes dull ... which is code for I don't use it ;)
To be honest I feel the combo tool, the alox awl, and the wenger nail file are all better accompanyments to the main blade
+1
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I carried a huntsman on my keys for years and this was pretty much the only blade I did use. Nearly every Day i find myself in b&q buying timber and needing to cut that plastic strapping they use to bundle the wood together. So this would be my blade of choice as not wanting to worry other members of the public who may be around.
I now use the scissors on my crosscut that I have on my keys or my vice that is in my pocket most days.
I wish my paratool had a similar blade for use in very public places.
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I carried a huntsman on my keys for years and this was pretty much the only blade I did use. Nearly every Day i find myself in b&q buying timber and needing to cut that plastic strapping they use to bundle the wood together. So this would be my blade of choose as not wanting to worry other members of the public who may be around.
I now use the scissors on my crosscut that I have on my keys or my vice that is in my pocket most days.
I wish my paratool had a similar blade for use in very public places.
Huntsman on keychain !!?
Seems a little weird :think:
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I carried a huntsman on my keys for years and this was pretty much the only blade I did use. Nearly every Day i find myself in b&q buying timber and needing to cut that plastic strapping they use to bundle the wood together. So this would be my blade of choose as not wanting to worry other members of the public who may be around.
I now use the scissors on my crosscut that I have on my keys or my vice that is in my pocket most days.
I wish my paratool had a similar blade for use in very public places.
Huntsman on keychain !!?
Seems a little weird :think:
Not really, i have a huge bunch of keys, and It was not long before both scales were missing due to the fact I drop them ten times a day.
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I carried a huntsman on my keys for years and this was pretty much the only blade I did use. Nearly every Day i find myself in b&q buying timber and needing to cut that plastic strapping they use to bundle the wood together. So this would be my blade of choose as not wanting to worry other members of the public who may be around.
I now use the scissors on my crosscut that I have on my keys or my vice that is in my pocket most days.
I wish my paratool had a similar blade for use in very public places.
Huntsman on keychain !!?
Seems a little weird :think:
Not really, i have a huge bunch of keys, and It was not long before both scales were missing due to the fact I drop them ten times a day.
I can't see a huntsman :think:
I cant understand :think:
Sorry , but my English is not so good
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The original designed use of the small blade, circa 1910, was as an "erasing blade": erasing unwanted lines when writing or drawing (see SAK Owner's Manual).
As 50-ft trad says, it allows you to always have a razor-sharp back-up blade.
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I actually use the small blade a lot... for smaller things (small tags, small parcels etc).
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I carried a huntsman on my keys for years and this was pretty much the only blade I did use. Nearly every Day i find myself in b&q buying timber and needing to cut that plastic strapping they use to bundle the wood together. So this would be my blade of choose as not wanting to worry other members of the public who may be around.
I now use the scissors on my crosscut that I have on my keys or my vice that is in my pocket most days.
I wish my paratool had a similar blade for use in very public places.
Huntsman on keychain !!?
Seems a little weird :think:
Not really, i have a huge bunch of keys, and It was not long before both scales were missing due to the fact I drop them ten times a day.
I can't see a huntsman :think:
I cant understand :think:
Sorry , but my English is not so good
You won't do as i gave it away when I replaced it with a mechanic I think it was called (even bigger). Which I then replaced with a bug after pretty much destroying the mechanic. I later added the crosscut.
That is after giving the vice ago which lasted all of two hours before the lanyard ring broke and fell off .
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I carried a huntsman on my keys for years and this was pretty much the only blade I did use. Nearly every Day i find myself in b&q buying timber and needing to cut that plastic strapping they use to bundle the wood together. So this would be my blade of choose as not wanting to worry other members of the public who may be around.
I now use the scissors on my crosscut that I have on my keys or my vice that is in my pocket most days.
I wish my paratool had a similar blade for use in very public places.
Huntsman on keychain !!?
Seems a little weird :think:
Not really, i have a huge bunch of keys, and It was not long before both scales were missing due to the fact I drop them ten times a day.
I can't see a huntsman :think:
I cant understand :think:
Sorry , but my English is not so good
You won't do as i gave it away when I replaced it with a mechanic I think it was called (even bigger). Which I then replaced with a bug after pretty much destroying the mechanic. I later added the crosscut.
That is after giving the vice ago which lasted all of two hours before the lanyard ring broke and fell off .
Oh , now I understand
thanks for explaining :salute:
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I tend to use my small blade as a back up when my main blade goes dull. I know that sounds like I don't use it but it does happen from time to time
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The small blade on my Spartan is my ''beat up'' blade, as I prefer to have the main one in better shape.
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ليست في الحقيقة، لدى مجموعة ضخمة من مفاتيح، وكان لا طويلة قبل كلا جداول في عداد المفقودين نظراً لكون إفلاتها عشر مرات في اليوم
This help?
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i use the small blade of my pocket pal for opening tangerines :D
(http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab214/sakoholic/sidmade%20Custom/DSC04271.jpg)
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ليست في الحقيقة، لدى مجموعة ضخمة من مفاتيح، وكان لا طويلة قبل كلا جداول في عداد المفقودين نظراً لكون إفلاتها عشر مرات في اليوم
This help?
Are you talking to me ??
If yes , I can't understand this Arabic sentence , because it have so many grammar faults , and I think it was translated by google translate , right ?
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The small blade on my Spartan is my ''beat up'' blade, as I prefer to have the main one in better shape.
I have to agree with this. I use the small blade for most cutting task and if push cam to shove the small blade will be getting abused and not the main blade.
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I'm a big fan of the small blade. I usually sharpen it to around 10 degrees per side and give it a high polish. It can really do some precision cutting as well as heavy duty cutting where the whole blade needs to pass through a somewhat rigid material, where thinness is paramount. It's kind of a cross between a scalpel and a box cutter in terms of utility. Love the small blade :tu:
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small blades are why i dont care for wenger.i also use my small blade the majority of the time.
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I use mine when I want more control for precise cuts , also use it when I am trying to keep a low profile around sheeple. I like the large blade small blade combo.
Jim
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i use the small blade of my pocket pal for opening tangerines :D
(http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab214/sakoholic/sidmade%20Custom/DSC04271.jpg)
Beautiful :drool:
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Besides my keychain SAK Classic, my Super Tinker is my most often carried SAK. I use the small blade for most cutting tasks, including cutting plastic shipping bands and cardboard boxes. I keep the large blade as a backup for the small blade. I also find I have better control over the smaller blade.
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To be honest I feel the combo tool, the alox awl, and the wenger nail file are all better accompanyments to the main blade
+1. especially the awl.
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My most used 91mm is the swisschamp, and there I have the small blade sharpened with the 30º angle profile from the spydermaker while I keep the long blade at 40º. I find it curious to see some other guys here to do the same sort of thing, although not exactly like.
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Usually only use the small blades for envelopes and packages, large blade for everything else. Not that the small blade is needed for that, but its there on my Tinker & Tourist, so I use it.
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I was opening a bottle of wine while I lived in Europe, and was struggling with getting a nice cut around the foil that covered the cork. The large blade was still pretty sharp, but wasn't super-sharp after having been used to cut many things over time. A local guy said, "That's what the small blade is for--you keep it sharp so you can cut the wine bottles' foil." So, I've always used the big blade for the bulk of cutting tasks, and kept the small blade for those things that only a *really sharp* blade can do.
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Just seen this thread, and it's a very interesting discussion so i decided to resurrect it :D
I've seen a lot of guys slag on the small blade for not being needed or useful. Just yesterday a colleague of mine borrowed my SAK to open up an envelope or small parcel (and he is a SAK user too) and i just noticed he went straight to the main blade, not the small one. Just like the majority of 'non' SAK users i've seen in the past too.
I am, and always have been exactly the opposite. I always use the small blade 90% of the time, i only use the main one when i require a bigger blade for the specific task. I mean, if you have a smaller blade that is more precise and easy to handle for small / medium jobs and less conspicuous than the main, why will you use and dull up (or even damage, if you need to pry for example) the main one?
One of the many reason's i don't really like the Compact very much (besides not having the two full opener's) is that it doesn't have the small blade. If i had to choose between that and scissor's, i'll take the small blade any time :salute:
Anyone care to give it's personal opinion on the matter? :whistle:
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:like:
The small blade is my go-to blade too. Gets used for pretty much everything, leaving the large blade free for mostly just food prep.
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I... much prefer the nail file/cleaner combo in place of the small blade. The non sharp metal edge comes in useful when you want to extract things without cutting. I can do what I need with the large blade... even though I recognise it can be overkill :)
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:like:
The small blade is my go-to blade too. Gets used for pretty much everything, leaving the large blade free for mostly just food prep.
Find myself following the same path.
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Different sizes, different shapes, different functions.
See "Why do some pocket knives have multiple blades?" at http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,69552.0.html
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This is a very interesting topic--many thanks to MacGyver for resurrecting it!
I read each of the posts and was intrigued at the statement that the original purpose of the small blade was as an eraser. I am well-acquainted with the purported use of soldiers using the small blade for utility purposes and the large blade for food preparation. This makes perfect sense. I am also familiar with the main blade & backup blade concept.
My own viewpoint, is that the strategy for using the blades is driven by requirements and preference. My own requirements are utility use (no food preparation) and since I have a plethora of SAKs to call upon, there is no need for a backup blade. This leaves preference as my main driver and I prefer to use the main blade. Since I tend to baby my SAKs, there is no danger of damaging SAK tools with prying tasks.
These days, I use the razor-sharp small blade to score/cut the decorative packaging of a container of dried fruit such that the decorative packaging is left intact. I then use the can opener to quickly remove the plastic container seal. Although I use the main blade over the small blade 90% of the time, I regularly use the other tools (some days, I use the other tools and have no need to use either blade).
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I like using the minichamp's small balde to open food packages at the theater or car traveling, chip bags when I am with friends, family or at meetings, or cutting straws, tape, wire and sharpening pencils
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-01/20170115_210300_zpsdzccnjoe.jpg)
I tend to use the mini wharncliffe blade to open parcels and packages, mail and bigger envelopes, scraping and draw cutting (in box-cutter or utility knife scenarios) as well as flower/plant/twig cutting and trimming around the house
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Different sizes, different shapes, different functions.
See "Why do some pocket knives have multiple blades?" at http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,69552.0.html
+1 :salute:
I also use the small blade a lot. I use small blades for opening packages and cutting tape (always leaves residue, I don't what that on my main blade), pruning blades for precision, and electrician blade for some of the more rough work (it's very sturdy and the tip isn't so vulnerable).
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I also use the small blade a lot. I use small blades for opening packages and cutting tape (always leaves residue, I don't what that on my main blade), pruning blades for precision, and electrician blade for some of the more rough work (it's very sturdy and the tip isn't so vulnerable).
I'm used to that sticky residue on my knife, some white spirit will make short work of it.
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Small blade is my main blade, why there is the larger one?
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I use the main blade most of the time, but wouldn't want to miss the small one!
I keep the small one crazy sharp for emergency use. It's great for cutting small stuff and removing foreighn objects from the skinn/flesh. Like splinters.
It's also great if you don't want to scare anyone if you need to pull a blade out.
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I also use the small blade as a spare blade. I'll use it to cut in more delicate/fine applications. I wouldnt miss it tho.
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I also use the small blade as a spare blade. I'll use it to cut in more delicate/fine applications. I wouldn't miss it tho.
I also use it for operations that require greater control/precision and as a backup.
As far as missing it goes, I think I would, only because I count on having it there. I always carry three SAKs every day. 1) Classic SD on my key-ring, 2) Tinker in my right front pants pocket, 3) One that I constantly rotate in my left front pants pocket. I only have 15 SAKs currently (1 Classic, 3 Tinkers, 2 Spartans, Huntsman, Camper, 1 Explorer, 1 Pioneer, 1 Floral, 1 Evogrip 14, 1 Evo 63, 1 Evo 10, and 1 Traveler). In order to experiment and keep it fresh, I rotate the left one (unless I forget).
So, here's my point about the small blade: Since I always carry my Tinker and Classic, I'm always counting on the tool set they have. My subconscious mind just takes those tools for granted when looking at and evaluating any task. Since the small blade is on the Tinker, it's always in my mind as a possible option to use and rely on, so I would definitely miss it if it were not there. The variety of tools that the other SAKs have, are cool and i DO use them, but they are always like a pleasant surprise, one of those, "Oh, yeah! I have have one of those on me today!" type of things.
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I've used the small blade as my main blade for years, saving the large blade for tasks it's better suited for.
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While I want to see the hawkbill or sheepsfoot profile blades on more models (preferably sticking the layer that seems to be exclusive to the larger SwissChamps on more, thinner and less expensive models, but one or the other replacing the small blade on some is acceptable), I can't go without the small blade. It's what I use for most jobs. Only when it's a big job to I use the big blade--like cutting a piece of rope. I use both blades a lot, and keep both equally as sharp.
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While I want to see the hawkbill or sheepsfoot profile blades on more models (preferably sticking the layer that seems to be exclusive to the larger SwissChamps on more, thinner and less expensive models, but one or the other replacing the small blade on some is acceptable), I can't go without the small blade. It's what I use for most jobs. Only when it's a big job to I use the big blade--like cutting a piece of rope. I use both blades a lot, and keep both equally as sharp.
Congrats on making the no life club! :cheers:
You're the second one today. :ahhh Watch out for the chicken... :punishmentchicken:
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:tu: :tu: !!
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Same as Mac404 below, for emergencies only.
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While I want to see the hawkbill or sheepsfoot profile blades on more models (preferably sticking the layer that seems to be exclusive to the larger SwissChamps on more, thinner and less expensive models, but one or the other replacing the small blade on some is acceptable), I can't go without the small blade. It's what I use for most jobs. Only when it's a big job to I use the big blade--like cutting a piece of rope. I use both blades a lot, and keep both equally as sharp.
Congrats on making the no life club! :cheers:
You're the second one today. :ahhh Watch out for the chicken... :punishmentchicken:
Okay, who's got the lard? >:D
Congrats on the NLC, Cody! :cheers:
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While I want to see the hawkbill or sheepsfoot profile blades on more models (preferably sticking the layer that seems to be exclusive to the larger SwissChamps on more, thinner and less expensive models, but one or the other replacing the small blade on some is acceptable), I can't go without the small blade. It's what I use for most jobs. Only when it's a big job to I use the big blade--like cutting a piece of rope. I use both blades a lot, and keep both equally as sharp.
Congrats on making the no life club! :cheers:
You're the second one today. :ahhh Watch out for the chicken... :punishmentchicken:
Okay, who's got the lard? >:D
Congrats on the NLC, Cody! :cheers:
+1, welcome :salute:
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I use the small blade the most. It is particularly handy for opening cardboard boxes and cutting the flaps off of them. I save the large blade for the jobs that would require a longer blade.
I used to use the large blade the most, but I finally realized that, for most of the things I do, the small blade works great, and it does not scare people who are not used to being around knives.
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I use the small blade the most. It is particularly handy for opening cardboard boxes and cutting the flaps off of them. I save the large blade for the jobs that would require a longer blade.
I used to use the large blade the most, but I finally realized that, for most of the things I do, the small blade works great, and it does not scare people who are not used to being around knives.
Agree. Small blade is good when you give the tool for someone else to handle also.
I also mainly use the small blade, sure the large blade is better slicer, but I rarely do that.
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I don't use the small blade much but there are tasks that it performs better then the large. I like to keep it razor sharp for when I do use it.
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I use it to sharpen pencils, as it's less bulky and messy than the large blade... Also, as I use it less, it's considerably sharper, which helps a lot! I also use it to cut paper sometimes, when I'm too lazy to use the scissors :P
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I use it to sharpen pencils, as it's less bulky and messy than the large blade... Also, as I use it less, it's considerably sharper, which helps a lot! I also use it to cut paper sometimes, when I'm too lazy to use the scissors :P
Any knife I have with a 2nd small blade, I leave that blade clean, sharp, not used... have yet to figure out why but I do....ok to start jokes now :pok:
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I use mine mostly to sharpen my pencils and small work, like cutting paper and stuff. The large blade I use for more "demanding" tasks, like cutting and sharpening little branches, etc.
So I use the small blade way more than the large one. Also it's less intimidating. And when the large goes dull, there's always a backup!
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I use it to sharpen pencils, as it's less bulky and messy than the large blade... Also, as I use it less, it's considerably sharper, which helps a lot! I also use it to cut paper sometimes, when I'm too lazy to use the scissors :P
I use mine mostly to sharpen my pencils and small work, like cutting paper and stuff. The large blade I use for more "demanding" tasks, like cutting and sharpening little branches, etc.
So I use the small blade way more than the large one. Also it's less intimidating. And when the large goes dull, there's always a backup!
:think:
:D
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I use it to sharpen pencils, as it's less bulky and messy than the large blade... Also, as I use it less, it's considerably sharper, which helps a lot! I also use it to cut paper sometimes, when I'm too lazy to use the scissors :P
I use mine mostly to sharpen my pencils and small work, like cutting paper and stuff. The large blade I use for more "demanding" tasks, like cutting and sharpening little branches, etc.
So I use the small blade way more than the large one. Also it's less intimidating. And when the large goes dull, there's always a backup!
:think:
:D
That moment you realize you replied twice to the same thread. Saying the same thing with different words. :twak:
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At least his story wasn't completely different. That would be interesting...
Danielle
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I find it interesting that some of the YouTube videos that I have watched on SAK reviews criticize the presence of two blades. My understanding is that the larger blade was used by the Swiss Army for food preparation and the smaller for utility purposes. I don't need the food preparation function since our household knives do just fine. :)
I do enjoy using the large blade for most of my utility needs. I keep the smaller blade razor sharp and use it for some specialized tasks including cutting the plastic wrapping of a dried fruit container so that the wrapping's art work in left intact on the container (takes a really sharp knife).
I definitely appreciate having a really sharp small blade.
:climber:
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I find it interesting that some of the YouTube videos that I have watched on SAK reviews criticize the presence of two blades. My understanding is that the larger blade was used by the Swiss Army for food preparation and the smaller for utility purposes. I don't need the food preparation function since our household knives do just fine. :)
I do enjoy using the large blade for most of my utility needs. I keep the smaller blade razor sharp and use it for some specialized tasks including cutting the plastic wrapping of a dried fruit container so that the wrapping's art work in left intact on the container (takes a really sharp knife).
I definitely appreciate having a really sharp small blade.
:climber:
Just pointing out that the SAKs used by the Swiss Army have one blade. :whistle:
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Just pointing out that the SAKs used by the Swiss Army have one blade. :whistle:
For them that is the small blade, the large one is their bayonet :)
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Just pointing out that the SAKs used by the Swiss Army have one blade. :whistle:
For them that is the small blade, the large one is their bayonet :)
:doh:
Thanks for pointing that out.
:facepalm:
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Just pointing out that the SAKs used by the Swiss Army have one blade. :whistle:
For them that is the small blade, the large one is their bayonet :)
:doh:
Thanks for pointing that out.
:facepalm:
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:D :D :D :D
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Just pointing out that the SAKs used by the Swiss Army have one blade. :whistle:
For them that is the small blade, the large one is their bayonet :)
:doh:
Thanks for pointing that out.
:facepalm:
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:D :D :D :D
Honest, it was an accident. :facepalm:
A happy glorious accident. :facepalm:
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I have it used for fishing gear.
Large enough to cut the line without using the other blade.
I reserve the large leaf for food
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Just pointing out that the SAKs used by the Swiss Army have one blade. :whistle:
For them that is the small blade, the large one is their bayonet :)
I fear the awl/all jokes will be back!
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Just pointing out that the SAKs used by the Swiss Army have one blade. :whistle:
For them that is the small blade, the large one is their bayonet :)
I fear the awl/all jokes will be back!
Oh no.... Awl could you think that... >:D
:whistle: :whistle:
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I always carry a larger Spyderco with the Pioneer X. I use the smaller blade of the two (the one on the Pioneer) mostly around the sheeple, or for tasks where I will severely dull a blade, because it sharpens easier.
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Interesting how we all have different perceptions of a "small blade". :drink:
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Back up blade in case the other goes dull ... which is code for I don't use it ;)
To be honest I feel the combo tool, the alox awl, and the wenger nail file are all better accompanyments to the main blade
Five and a half years later, and I'm still of the same opinion.
I really liked the Climber and Climber Small, but was slightly irritated by the redundant small blade, which is why I started getting fixated on the Wenger Traveller variations. Having the nail file instead of the small blade made a lot more sense.
Lately, it's been mostly the modified DofE that gets the pocket time. Surprising really, considering I nearly always go for a corkscrew over a backspring Phillips - except if I'm carrying the Mega84, which has both. The Mega84 also has two main blades, one plain, one serrated, neither of which is paired with a small blade. The 93mm awl and nail file fill the space much better. I am a fan of the Compact too, but that resides permanently in a FAK.
The only one I carry where I really value the addition of the smaller blade is the Original Outdoorsman. The small pruner blade, makes a good companion blade to the main serrated one, and is an excellent package opener too.
As an aside, the reason I never quite committed to building a Mega91 was the riddle of the awl and the openers. If I add a 93mm awl, I don't have the combo tool, so I need the opener layer, which has another awl. If I have the combo tool, I don't need the opener layer, and don't end up with either awl. It's like the scissors vs awl decision on most of the Leatherman range. I did have a cunning plan to use the small backspring technician's driver in the rear awl slot, but that meant faffing around with custom washers, so I never bothered....
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As an aside, the reason I never quite committed to building a Mega91 was the riddle of the awl and the openers. If I add a 93mm awl, I don't have the combo tool, so I need the opener layer, which has another awl. If I have the combo tool, I don't need the opener layer, and don't end up with either awl. It's like the scissors vs awl decision on most of the Leatherman range. I did have a cunning plan to use the small backspring technician's driver in the rear awl slot, but that meant faffing around with custom washers, so I never bothered....
Whats wrong with two awls? :climber: :D
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Same thing as two plain edged blades ;)
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Back up blade in case the other goes dull ... which is code for I don't use it ;)
To be honest I feel the combo tool, the alox awl, and the wenger nail file are all better accompanyments to the main blade
Five and a half years later, and I'm still of the same opinion.
I really liked the Climber and Climber Small, but was slightly irritated by the redundant small blade, which is why I started getting fixated on the Wenger Traveller variations. Having the nail file instead of the small blade made a lot more sense.
Lately, it's been mostly the modified DofE that gets the pocket time. Surprising really, considering I nearly always go for a corkscrew over a backspring Phillips - except if I'm carrying the Mega84, which has both. The Mega84 also has two main blades, one plain, one serrated, neither of which is paired with a small blade. The 93mm awl and nail file fill the space much better. I am a fan of the Compact too, but that resides permanently in a FAK.
The only one I carry where I really value the addition of the smaller blade is the Original Outdoorsman. The small pruner blade, makes a good companion blade to the main serrated one, and is an excellent package opener too.
As an aside, the reason I never quite committed to building a Mega91 was the riddle of the awl and the openers. If I add a 93mm awl, I don't have the combo tool, so I need the opener layer, which has another awl. If I have the combo tool, I don't need the opener layer, and don't end up with either awl. It's like the scissors vs awl decision on most of the Leatherman range. I did have a cunning plan to use the small backspring technician's driver in the rear awl slot, but that meant faffing around with custom washers, so I never bothered....
My opinion is still the same all the way from the beginning, my Sak's got to have A- the small blade, B- the standard opening layer. I would only consider something redundant if it's exactly the same as another, in the case of the small blade the size is totally different ;)
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I use the small pen blade more than any other blade or tool. I love the Pioneer and Cadet and the made reason I don't use them more is he lack of a small pen blade. To me the file on my cadet is just about useless. The file on finger nail clippers works better. My most carried SAK is the Tourist, just because of the pen blade.
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I use the small pen blade more than any other blade or tool. I love the Pioneer and Cadet and the made reason I don't use them more is he lack of a small pen blade. To me the file on my cadet is just about useless. The file on finger nail clippers works better. My most carried SAK is the Tourist, just because of the pen blade.
Glad to find someone that shared my opinion on this. I'm actually trying to find someone to mod my Cadet for this exact reason. I want the nail file replaced with the small blade of a Recruit.
How do you like that Tourist? That's next on my list.
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Coming from traditionals I bought my Pruner specifically for the blade options. The big one for food, the small for opening stuff. I sometimes use the larger blade for utility stuff too but that little pruner is a wicked opening blade for packaging and it leaves the big blade gunk free for when I want to eat with it.
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Large blade: Mostly used for picnic-type food while on the go.
Small blade: This length is all I need for almost everything I use a knife for on a daily basis other than food. I use this for most non-food things. Keeps the large blade "clean." If carrying a one-blade knife like an Opinel, I'll usually also carry a Classic SAK or peanut slipjoint to fill this role.
Nail file: Mostly a waste of space. I have no problem maintaining my nails at home so no need to perform a mid-day on-the-go manicure. Any blade works well for cleaning dirt from under the nails if necessary. Easy to stuff a pair of nail clippers or more efficient full-size nail file in the luggage when traveling.
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I'm more of a collector than user of SAKs, generally speaking. That said, I've encountered countless small blades with bent tips (large blades too, for that matter but to a lesser degree). I always assumed that people were misusing/abusing their SAKs to achieve such damage. After doing considerable amount of whittling and wood working over the past few months, I have realized that the small blades bend fairly easily. One must exercise caution when cutting anything dense/hard at all. For soft wood and a light touch, it's great for whittling but anything more and you run a risk of bending.
Just this corkscrew's opinion.
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the small blade on my Nylon (I want to say Recruit?) saw plenty of use in its day. It's a great blade - Opening boxes you don't want to stab the contents of, doing things with the tip that the "large" blade might give too much mechanical advantage to (and you end up snapping it...) cleaning under your fingernails :whistle:
Good stuff!
(The Awl on a Soldier does all of those things to, so why they make Recruits at all is beyond me... ??? )
Edit: I just checked my post (circa 2008 ) when I got the Recruit (Apparently Called a Squatter in Nylon form) - It was replacing a Stockman as EDC, so I went from Three Blades to Two, and now I carry an SI with One blade.
At this rate, I won't be carrying a blade at all by 2026!
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Large blade: Mostly used for picnic-type food while on the go.
Small blade: This length is all I need for almost everything I use a knife for on a daily basis other than food. I use this for most non-food things. Keeps the large blade "clean." If carrying a one-blade knife like an Opinel, I'll usually also carry a Classic SAK or peanut slipjoint to fill this role.
Nail file: Mostly a waste of space. I have no problem maintaining my nails at home so no need to perform a mid-day on-the-go manicure. Any blade works well for cleaning dirt from under the nails if necessary. Easy to stuff a pair of nail clippers or more efficient full-size nail file in the luggage when traveling.
Nail file comment! Agree lololol
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(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/de/af/1d/deaf1dd2e7f0d81c1b7bf43d221b06d9.jpg)
Did a Google search for "Swiss Army Knife manicure" thinking I'd find a photo of a lady using a SAK to do her nails. Instead, this came up! Gotta be a forum member. :D
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I use the small pen blade more than any other blade or tool. I love the Pioneer and Cadet and the made reason I don't use them more is he lack of a small pen blade. To me the file on my cadet is just about useless. The file on finger nail clippers works better. My most carried SAK is the Tourist, just because of the pen blade.
Glad to find someone that shared my opinion on this. I'm actually trying to find someone to mod my Cadet for this exact reason. I want the nail file replaced with the small blade of a Recruit.
How do you like that Tourist? That's next on my list.
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I love the Recruit but rarely carry one because the Tourist is the same size with the added benefit of the cork screw and awl. I could easily live without the corkscrew and awl if they would make the Cadet with a small blade.
Question for modders: Could I replace the nail file with a Recruit pen blade, and do it by only removing one pin??
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Large blade: Mostly used for picnic-type food while on the go.
Small blade: This length is all I need for almost everything I use a knife for on a daily basis other than food. I use this for most non-food things. Keeps the large blade "clean." If carrying a one-blade knife like an Opinel, I'll usually also carry a Classic SAK or peanut slipjoint to fill this role.
Nail file: Mostly a waste of space. I have no problem maintaining my nails at home so no need to perform a mid-day on-the-go manicure. Any blade works well for cleaning dirt from under the nails if necessary. Easy to stuff a pair of nail clippers or more efficient full-size nail file in the luggage when traveling.
+10!! :salute:
Since i always carry an alox classic on my keys, i don't need or care for a nail file on my main sak's. Even more so if it sacrifices the small blade.
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I just scrolled though the topic list and read The smell blade?" :facepalm:
I guess we'll leave that for another topic.
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I just scrolled though the topic list and read The smell blade?" :facepalm:
I guess we'll leave that for another topic.
Smell it, Jack!
PS This is Jack Nicholson in the movie Chinatown. Don't try this at home!
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I just scrolled though the topic list and read The smell blade?" :facepalm:
I guess we'll leave that for another topic.
Smell it, Jack!
PS This is Jack Nicholson in the movie Chinatown. Don't try this at home!
:rofl:
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Interesting how we all have different perceptions of a "small blade". :drink:
Yep. It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it. :whistle:
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Interesting how we all have different perceptions of a "small blade". :drink:
Yep. It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it. :whistle:
So its not the size of the ship, its the motion of the ocean?!
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:pok: are we still here. I stand by my original.... small blade kept for fine work only, nice.......
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Who needs a small blade if they have a large blade?
Gimme a nail tool every time. :tu:
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Who needs a small blade if they have a large blade?
Gimme a nail tool every time. :tu:
Yeah, I agree. I used to carry a huntsman with me everywhere, but I only used the small blade because why not? I’d opt for either the nail tool or alox awl any day of the week. For a full-sized folder guy, the main blade is the small for me.
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I like the small blade for fine work/draw cutting, carried some SAKs with nail files, I just don't use them that much. Besides, redundancy isn't so bad, after all victorinox steel isn't well known for edge retention. :whistle:
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I like the small blade for fine work/draw cutting, carried some SAKs with nail files, I just don't use them that much. Besides, redundancy isn't so bad, after all victorinox steel isn't well known for edge retention. :whistle:
It’s also well known for being easily sharpened. :whistle: example: with the bottom of a ceramic mug or an appropriate stone.
I see your point, though. :tu:
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I like the small blade for fine work/draw cutting, carried some SAKs with nail files, I just don't use them that much. Besides, redundancy isn't so bad, after all victorinox steel isn't well known for edge retention. :whistle:
It’s also well known for being easily sharpened. :whistle: example: with the bottom of a ceramic mug or an appropriate stone.
I see your point, though. :tu:
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I still keep the small blade (on all my knives) un used, why, surgery, space exporation?
Just my choice I guess. :cheers:
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I still keep the small blade (on all my knives) un used, why, surgery, space exporation?
Just my choice I guess. :cheers:
Reminds me a lot of the old Stockman knives. Many (especially Case and Camillus made) were marked on the spey "FOR FLESH ONLY", mostly for surgery (largely, castration) on livestock.
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I still keep the small blade (on all my knives) un used, why, surgery, space exporation?
Just my choice I guess. :cheers:
Reminds me a lot of the old Stockman knives. Many (especially Case and Camillus made) were marked on the spey "FOR FLESH ONLY", mostly for surgery (largely, castration) on livestock.
Yes, agree, minus the castration part :whistle:
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:rofl: :facepalm:
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Since I carry a 58mm I'm more sure than when I posted earlier then thread, I would not miss the small blade.
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I wish there was a 58 mm with a mini screwdriver the same size that fits in el corkscrew...
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Well... I still stick by what ive said earlier, the small blade Is my main blade. I'll use the Sak main big blade if i need a bigger blade for the job. But the small blade works just fine to cut most everyday stuff.
A "nail" file on a full sized sak (84/91mm) always seemed silly to me. Nail care and grooming is what the small Sak's are for, that's what i have a classic on my keys for... :D
It makes much more sense to me having an actual file in there, like the metal saw with two files than a nail file. And the two blades of course... >:D
But like everything, there is no rights or wrongs here, only personal preferencies :cheers:
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My small blade is always used for utility and work use. I keep the larger blade for food prep, etc.
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I just scrolled though the topic list and read The smell blade?" :facepalm:
I guess we'll leave that for another topic.
Smell it, Jack!
PS This is Jack Nicholson in the movie Chinatown. Don't try this at home!
Even if you do live in Chinatown?...
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Who needs a small blade if they have a large blade?
Gimme a nail tool every time. :tu:
+1
Hence, Sportsman over Spartan/Tourist.
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Since I carry a 58mm I'm more sure than when I posted earlier then thread, I would not miss the small blade.
Miss The!
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On a two blade SAK, the small blade is my utility cutter. It opens all boxes, mail, slices jute twine for the green, and whatever. The large blade is my slicer for when Ineed longer reach like cutting sandwich in half, or slicing an apple, or anything the small blade can't do. I use the small blade to avoid wear and tear on the late blade.
Growing up in the 1950's when ALL men carried a pocket knife, I saw them do this very frequently. The small blade was an awl, scraper, poking and dirty work tool. The larger main l blade was kept in as good a shape as possible. Kind of a "just in case" kind of thing.
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Good reason for a two-blade SAK. One of the problems with the Classic is that it only has a large blade. ;)
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Pwahahaaa!
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On a two blade SAK, the small blade is my utility cutter. It opens all boxes, mail, slices jute twine for the green, and whatever. The large blade is my slicer for when Ineed longer reach like cutting sandwich in half, or slicing an apple, or anything the small blade can't do. I use the small blade to avoid wear and tear on the late blade.
Growing up in the 1950's when ALL men carried a pocket knife, I saw them do this very frequently. The small blade was an awl, scraper, poking and dirty work tool. The larger main l blade was kept in as good a shape as possible. Kind of a "just in case" kind of thing.
This. But since I don't do much "field work" with my knives, I tend to not need to use the larger blade in very dirty tasks, hence the possibility of having the nail file/cleaner instead of the small blade.
:cheers: :tu:
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Pwahahaaa!
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Stop that! You scared me!
:twak: :twak: :twak: :twak:
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Muhahahaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
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Muhahahaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
Oh, that's more like it! This laugh I like!
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On a two blade SAK, the small blade is my utility cutter. It opens all boxes, mail, slices jute twine for the green, and whatever. The large blade is my slicer for when Ineed longer reach like cutting sandwich in half, or slicing an apple, or anything the small blade can't do. I use the small blade to avoid wear and tear on the late blade.
Growing up in the 1950's when ALL men carried a pocket knife, I saw them do this very frequently. The small blade was an awl, scraper, poking and dirty work tool. The larger main l blade was kept in as good a shape as possible. Kind of a "just in case" kind of thing.
I grew up in the same time period and have the same view. I use the small blade the most and keep the large one reserved for tasks that require a longer blade. :cheers:
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Well... I still stick by what ive said earlier, the small blade Is my main blade. I'll use the Sak main big blade if i need a bigger blade for the job. But the small blade works just fine to cut most everyday stuff.
A "nail" file on a full sized sak (84/91mm) always seemed silly to me. Nail care and grooming is what the small Sak's are for, that's what i have a classic on my keys for... :D
It makes much more sense to me having an actual file in there, like the metal saw with two files than a nail file. And the two blades of course... >:D
But like everything, there is no rights or wrongs here, only personal preferencies :cheers:
I agree with you MacGyver! :cheers:
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Good reason for a two-blade SAK. One of the problems with the Classic is that it only has a large blade. ;)
That's why I'm such an enthusiastic participant of the Chuck Yeager challenge with my new-to-me executive. It's opened up a whole new layer of SAKDOM for me! :hatsoff:
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I wish there was a 58 mm with a mini screwdriver the same size that fits in el corkscrew...
The old 65 mm Pocket Toolchest has that (although I have other ideas for that tool).
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I would like to see the sheeps-foot blade from the Radio Shack Electrician on a Spartan or Tinker as a replacement for the small pen blade, or even as the only blade on a Compact or Walker.
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Agreed, sir! :tu:
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Agreed, sir! :tu:
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Oh, I use the small pen blade a lot. However, the other day I needed to cut some flexible irrigation hose from a fitting. The small blade got through it, but it got me to thinking about how much better a sheeps foot blade is for that type of task. Heaven forbid, I even started looking at stockman patterns as a possible replacement to my trusty Spartan. I came to my senses before being anything, but I sure would like to get ahold of one of those blades from the Radio Shack Electrician.
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I would carry an alox electrician or apprentice more often if it had a key ring. I'm so used to using el pocket clip now it feels weird with out it. Have you thought about the electrician?
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Yes, I have. I carried a 61 Soldier for decades. The problem is I like having the can opener. I have really come to prefer the 91mm, 2-Llayer, Cellidor models. Although, I actually remove the key ring stud. If I can get ahold of one of the Radio Shack knives I will remove the sheeps foot and have it installed in a Spartan.
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:drool: Mmm, Spartan with sheepsfoot...
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I would like to see the sheeps-foot blade from the Radio Shack Electrician on a Spartan or Tinker as a replacement for the small pen blade, or even as the only blade on a Compact or Walker.
+10
That's an excellent idea right there :cheers:
Never quote understand why Vic never thought of this for some models. Especially the Tinkers, they could be much more and actually "Tinker-ish" than they are on lots of tools. Most of the difference between the other models is only the inclusion of the Philips on the back instead of the CS.
I have to give it to Wenger, they where a lot more inventive and adventurous there.... :think:
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Good reason for a two-blade SAK. One of the problems with the Classic is that it only has a large blade. ;)
Which is why the Executive was born.
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I would carry an alox electrician or apprentice more often if it had a key ring. I'm so used to using el pocket clip now it feels weird with out it. Have you thought about the electrician?
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I like SAKs without the lanyard ring, but the TL-29 and hawkbill, both patterns traditionally carried by linemen and electricians have huge bails you can put any kind of cord/rope through (when I'm working around the farm, I usually secure them by means of a carabiner to my belt). So you'd think the Electrician and Apprentice would have a keyring to prevent loss, as they're largely intended for use by the same people as the TL-29 and hawkbill.
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I would carry an alox electrician or apprentice more often if it had a key ring. I'm so used to using el pocket clip now it feels weird with out it. Have you thought about the electrician?
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I like SAKs without the lanyard ring, but the TL-29 and hawkbill, both patterns traditionally carried by linemen and electricians have huge bails you can put any kind of cord/rope through (when I'm working around the farm, I usually secure them by means of a carabiner to my belt). So you'd think the Electrician and Apprentice would have a keyring to prevent loss, as they're largely intended for use by the same people as the TL-29 and hawkbill.
:imws:
I like being able to hang my knives from belt loops or pocket clips. It's also good to be able to have some lanyard, albeit small, to increase grip or use as wrist loop, to prevent dropping the knife.
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:iagree:
I’d rather have and not need, than to need and not have. If you don’t like it, grind it off.
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... still, I like to keep- if 2 blades- the small one un-used, for various reasons.... :cheers:
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I don't use the small blade much but there are tasks that it performs better then the large. I like to keep it razor sharp for when I do use it.
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I keep it super sharp for tasks like cutting my cigars.
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Big for food, small for dirty stuff.
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Big for food, small for dirty stuff.
:tu: :tu: :tu:
This plus a zillion or two!
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This plus a zillion or two!
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One more here for the small blade for primary use. I use the main blade for food...and mostly to cut sandwiches and burgers at picnics and BBQs.
I think there should be more options for the the blades to be swapped. Small blades on the main blade side only need the proper spacer from the factory. I'd buy knives with a small blade and a pruner or electrician blade. Small + Pruner is on my list of upcoming mods now that I have a few donors in stock. What I'd really like is a gardener sized Hawkbill and the small pen blade.
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I use the small blade mainly to open blister packs. Less chance to damage the item inside. Same applies to open packages, even though i mainly use the can opener on my wenger classic for that purpose nowadays.
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I reserve the small blade for fine and intricate cutting, and keep it as sharp as possible.
I find the 84mm and 91mm large blades too small and too awkward for general food prep. The extra belly of the 85mm knives works much better for cutting and slicing on a board, but the blade is still often too short.
If I need a SAK for food prep I use a 111mm instead.
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I feel another useless poll coming on but I'll spare you guys :rofl:
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I like to keep the edge bevel on the small blade ridiculously thin, around 6 degrees per side or less and hair-splittingly sharp. If used gently it makes a multitude of cutting tasks really easy.
If it touches your skin though, you bleed :ahhh
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I like to keep the edge bevel on the small blade ridiculously thin, around 6 degrees per side or less and hair-splittingly sharp. If used gently it makes a multitude of cutting tasks really easy.
If it touches your skin though, you bleed :ahhh
What do you use to sharpen?
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DMT diamond hones for profiling and sharpening dullish edges and finish on a Spyderco ultra-fine ceramic that I lapped with a DMT fine hone to make it even smoother, crazy sharp.
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One more here for the small blade for primary use. I use the main blade for food...and mostly to cut sandwiches and burgers at picnics and BBQs.
I think there should be more options for the the blades to be swapped. Small blades on the main blade side only need the proper spacer from the factory. I'd buy knives with a small blade and a pruner or electrician blade. Small + Pruner is on my list of upcoming mods now that I have a few donors in stock. What I'd really like is a gardener sized Hawkbill and the small pen blade.
How hard would it be to make a two layer with big+small and pruner+electrician with an awl on the back? That would be one heck of a lot of cutting utility in a small package.
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How hard would it be to make a two layer with big+small and pruner+electrician with an awl on the back? That would be one heck of a lot of cutting utility in a small package.
Not hard at all with the right donor parts. Pre-'85 spring would be easiest and would only need the right spacers for both blades ~0.5mm for both sides. If a knife layer spring is used, then 1mm spacers could be used and the awl would need a ~0.5mm spacer too.
I think it would be a good knife...
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How hard would it be to make a two layer with big+small and pruner+electrician with an awl on the back? That would be one heck of a lot of cutting utility in a small package.
Well, it wouldn't be SAK, but something like a Case Congress already packs four blades into one smallish knife. There are even a few 5-blade trappers and sowbellys floating around, but I believe they were all special runs.
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Well, it wouldn't be SAK, but something like a Case Congress already packs four blades into one smallish knife. There are even a few 5-blade trappers and sowbellys floating around, but I believe they were all special runs.
True but these four blades are IMO a better overall package and of course you get the package of super stainless, easy to sharpen and great form factor.
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DMT diamond hones for profiling and sharpening dullish edges and finish on a Spyderco ultra-fine ceramic that I lapped with a DMT fine hone to make it even smoother, crazy sharp.
...thanks, Google now... :tu:
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I could live without the small blade BUT its sure nice to have when the right application ( as mentioned ) comes up :tu:
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The doggone small blade. I say I would not miss it yet in some applications its nice. Looking over the usage of my small blade I can say with a bit more gusto that I would not miss it. My Wenger PTC or 58mm blade are far more precision. I am thinking the nail file would be best in place of.
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Today I found the neighbour had chucked a chair out in front of their door. Totally collapsed but the wood was all unbroken. Just seperated at the joints. I knocked on and offered to put it back together for them, she's a single mother with 6 kids and I know money is very tight. Anyway back on topic, I used the little blade to cut and pry out the old glue and clean up the joints. It wasn't well put together to start with methinks and I needed to do a lot of work to get it all back together. It was dirty work, lots of old glue and lots of new glue all over the thing. Wipe off afterwards and still use the big blade to cut up buns and pickles for my hotdog supper.
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Today I found the neighbour had chucked a chair out in front of their door. Totally collapsed but the wood was all unbroken. Just seperated at the joints. I knocked on and offered to put it back together for them, she's a single mother with 6 kids and I know money is very tight. Anyway back on topic, I used the little blade to cut and pry out the old glue and clean up the joints. It wasn't well put together to start with methinks and I needed to do a lot of work to get it all back together. It was dirty work, lots of old glue and lots of new glue all over the thing. Wipe off afterwards and still use the big blade to cut up buns and pickles for my hotdog supper.
Random kindness always is the best. :cheers:
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Today I found the neighbour had chucked a chair out in front of their door. Totally collapsed but the wood was all unbroken. Just seperated at the joints. I knocked on and offered to put it back together for them, she's a single mother with 6 kids and I know money is very tight. Anyway back on topic, I used the little blade to cut and pry out the old glue and clean up the joints. It wasn't well put together to start with methinks and I needed to do a lot of work to get it all back together. It was dirty work, lots of old glue and lots of new glue all over the thing. Wipe off afterwards and still use the big blade to cut up buns and pickles for my hotdog supper.
Nice work pomsbz! :hatsoff:
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I use the pen blade most of the time and save the larger blade for food prep or whatever. This is also why I tend to carry a Spartan or Sportsman more than my Pioneer.
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I read somewhere that the large and small blade are made of two different types of steel. The small blade is designed for harder use and is harder to sharpen, iirc
Felix Immler tends to recommend one or the other in his videos... if he was here he could sort this out quickly.