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Tool Talk => Edged Tools => Topic started by: ThundahBeagle on January 07, 2019, 07:28:40 AM
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Picked up this USA made Western model 062 double bladed folding hunter / skinner complete with sheath today when I bought it as a pair with an old '70's Buck 110.
The "B" at the bottom of the tang seems to date this knife to 1978. It seems to be stainless steel blades, nickel silver bolsters, brass liners, and derlin handles. At first I thought Bone, but really seems like derlin the more I research it.
Main blade opens and closes fine but lacks snap. I'm efforting whether or not it just needs a good cleaning or the back spring is weak...
Second blade, the skinner, is tight and snaps excellently. It is slimmer than a Buck 110 that's for sure, and it is a slip blade, but it sure is substantive and quality.
Cleaned the blade with rubbing alcohol, then polished with Brasso, including the bolsters and liners where I could reach. Worked some Frye Boot leather conditioner into the leather sheath, and made it a wee darker but more supple.
Began sharpening the main blade but want to get a good angle. So more on that another time, perhaps.
Seems like a nice knife.
So let's see your Westerns! (Unless therequired is already a Westerns thread, in which case, please roll mine into that...
And anyone here who knows about these, please fill us in. I know that the company was started here in the US by a Mr. Platt, a knife maker originally from Sheffield England. His son married into the Case family, and they manufactured and sold knives together side by side. Eventually he sold his shares of Case and sold the Platt Cultery Co, and moved to Colorado and started a new company. He relied on knives made by Case, Utica and others before finally after WW 1 he was able to set up a manufacturing plant. Eventually, Coleman Bought them out in 1984, then Camillus in the early 90's, and they more or less died in 2007 with Camilus.
If you know more about the company, or the Western 062 B, or another Western model, or Westerns in general, please lay it down here?
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Double blades
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Great looking blade, Thundah :like: I don't believe I have any but I would like to see some others as well :tu: :like:
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Nice Folding hunter TB ! :like:
I have two at the moment
Barlow 822
(https://i.imgur.com/E67lXFwh.jpg)
Stockman 657
(https://i.imgur.com/5ygWe3Bh.jpg)
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That IS substantial!!
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I would like to think this knife and your 110 sold together were from the same owner :think:. Which would make sense on the age of each. Great looking knife. I am such a sucker for clip blades. This one looks like a pocket full of wonderfulness. Some of the snap may come back with a good clean. Hopefully so.
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Western States and Western tang stamps.
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I would like to think this knife and your 110 sold together were from the same owner :think:. Which would make sense on the age of each. Great looking knife. I am such a sucker for clip blades. This one looks like a pocket full of wonderfulness. Some of the snap may come back with a good clean. Hopefully so.
Hi Aloha!
Thank you! Yes I did purchase both the Buck and the Western from one person. When asked the history of the items, he told me that he had won them from someone in a poker game. So I believe they had two previous owners, but were both always owned by the same individual.
Yeah, I'm gonna keep cleaning it up at the joints to see if the snap returns
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Neat story about the poker game :like:
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That story screams hunting camp in either Maine or the Adirondacks! I can picture it now...
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Picked up this USA made Western model 062 double bladed folding hunter / skinner complete with sheath today when I bought it as a pair with an old '70's Buck 110.
If you know more about the company, or the Western 062 B, or another Western model, or Westerns in general, please lay it down here?
Great find ThundahBeagle! :like: :tu: :tu:
Western brand knives have a special place in my heart. I own and used a Western Bowie for camp use, a yellow handled folding fishing knife, several of their fixed blade knives and a couple of their scout style pocket knives along with a couple of stockman knives, a couple of their lockbacks, and a couple of their smaller pocket knives. I bought all of them new and they were my favorite knives when I first started collecting knives when I was 8 years old.
Western was known for making a quality knife at a reasonable price. Their knives were made to be used everyday. They had great fit and finish.
When I was growing up most sporting goods stores and hardware stores had a large Western display case like the one in the first picture.
Here are several pictures of a Western model 542 with a Delrin handle that I purchased new in 1981. The blade has a letter E stamped on it.
Click on the pictures for best picture.
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Western States and Western knives.
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Western States and Western knives.
Nice group of Westerns David! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Western States and Western tang stamps.
Thanks David. Mine is like your top chart, but last column, 2nd one down (last) with a letter B, so, 1978.
As I've read elsewhere, Western may have quit using bone and stag in the 60's, so I'm thinking this is jigger derlin.
Does derlin require any special attention or anything specific to avoid?
Thanks
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Picked up this USA made Western model 062 double bladed folding hunter / skinner complete with sheath today when I bought it as a pair with an old '70's Buck 110.
If you know more about the company, or the Western 062 B, or another Western model, or Westerns in general, please lay it down here?
Great find ThundahBeagle! :like: :tu: :tu:
Western brand knives have a special place in my heart. I own and used a Western Bowie for camp use, a yellow handled folding fishing knife, several of their fixed blade knives and a couple of their scout style pocket knives along with a couple of stockman knives, a couple of their lockbacks, and a couple of their smaller pocket knives. I bought all of them new and they were my favorite knives when I first started collecting knives when I was 8 years old.
Western was known for making a quality knife at a reasonable price. Their knives were made to be used everyday. They had great fit and finish.
When I was growing up most sporting goods stores and hardware stores had a large Western display case like the one in the first picture.
Here are several pictures of a Western model 542 with a Delrin handle that I purchased new in 1981. The blade has a letter E stamped on it.
Click on the pictures for best picture.
Holy smokes, Vic! Is there any brand of knife you DON'T have?
And wonderful examples, too
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Nice Folding hunter TB ! :like:
I have two at the moment
Barlow 822
(https://i.imgur.com/E67lXFwh.jpg)
Stockman 657
(https://i.imgur.com/5ygWe3Bh.jpg)
As always, nice equipment and nice pics, Steve. Classic
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Holy smokes, Vic! Is there any brand of knife you DON'T have?
And wonderful examples, too
Thank you Thundahbeagle! :cheers:
There are a lot of fine knives I have never owned but I definitely appreciate all the many great knife pictures on this forum.
I saw your question about Delrin. It does not require any special care. :D
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Nice Westerns posted. Guess I'll have to look closer when at the fleamarket. I might be passing up some great knives.
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Found a couple more. A 442 and a Camillus made Western Stockman which has no model number and a I cant find it in any old catalog.
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Western brand knives have a special place in my heart. I own and used a Western Bowie for camp use, a yellow handled folding fishing knife, several of their fixed blade knives and a couple of their scout style pocket knives along with a couple of stockman knives, a couple of their lockbacks, and a couple of their smaller pocket knives. I bought all of them new and they were my favorite knives when I first started collecting knives when I was 8 years old.
Western was known for making a quality knife at a reasonable price. Their knives were made to be used everyday. They had great fit and finish.
When I was growing up most sporting goods stores and hardware stores had a large Western display case like the one in the first picture.
Here are several pictures of a Western model 542 with a Delrin handle that I purchased new in 1981. The blade has a letter E stamped on it.
Click on the pictures for best picture.
Vicman, I remember those Western displays when I was young. The one I remember most was in a Otasco store.
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Found a couple more. A 442 and a Camillus made Western Stockman which has no model number and a I cant find it in any old catalog.
Nice pics David! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Vicman, I remember those Western displays when I was young. The one I remember most was in a Otasco store.
I really miss seeing those displays in sporting goods stores and hardware stores. :cheers:
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Vicman, I remember those Western displays when I was young. The one I remember most was in a Otasco store.
I really miss seeing those displays in sporting goods stores and hardware stores. :cheers:
Me too. :)
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Here is picture of another Western display
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I used this Western Bowie for camping. It was a great camp knife and the sheath is designed so that once the leg straps are tied to your leg it swivels so you can sit without the knife being in the way.
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Here is picture of another Western display
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8) :like: Thank you for show the display!
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Here is picture of another Western display
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8) :like: Thank you for show the display!
You are welcome! :cheers:
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Here are 3 more Western knives.
The leather handled fixed blade at the top of the picture was the first fixed blade knife I ever bought and I would wear it when my dad and I would go fishing.
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This Western is the one my dad carried when he was in the US Army Timberwolf Division in WWII....it is my most prized knife and probably the reason I came to love Western knives.
The knife is stamped West...Cut Boulder, Colo.
The sheath is stamped Western States Cut. & Mfg. Co. Boulder, Colo. and has an image of a cowboy on a bucking bronco on it.
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Here are 2 Western Scout style knives, The top one is the knife I carried the most when I was growing up. I was amazed by the extra tools on it. (I had no idea Swiss Army knives existed...in fact, I never saw a real Swiss Army knife until I was in my 30's and the first one I saw was a Champion and I bought it on the spot.)
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This Western is the one my dad carried when he was in the US Army Timberwolf Division in WWII....it is my most prized knife and probably the reason I came to love Western knives.
The knife is stamped West...Cut Boulder, Colo.
The sheath is stamped Western States Cut. & Mfg. Co. Boulder, Colo. and has an image of a cowboy on a bucking bronco on it.
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Lovely knife Vicman :like:
Westerns were very popular during the war as I understand it.
I don’t have one yet but hoping to get an L77 for my WW2 collection at some point.
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Lovely knife Vicman :like:
Westerns were very popular during the war as I understand it.
I don’t have one yet but hoping to get an L77 for my WW2 collection at some point.
Thanks sak60! :cheers:
Hope you find an L77! :D
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Have a few Westerns including a display of reject blades I bought many years ago intending to try and repair. Decided to display them as is.
Western 521F
Western 522F
Western S521
WesternS532
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Page two:
Western S532
Westaco folding hunter
Western 062 folding hunter
Western harness jack
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Page three:
Western hatchet with F28 and F48 fixed blades.
Western 75 boot knife.
Western F28 with sheath.
Western scout/utility.
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Page four:
Western W-49 Bowie
WesternW764fillet knife
Western W766 fillet knife
Western S244 mini stockman
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Page five:
First pic is the Western W764 fillet knife that I tried to add to the previous post.
Next three pics are of a bunch of Western folding and fixed blade knives that were rejected mostly due to incorrect grinding or bad forging.
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A few more reject pictures.
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Nice pics Ray! :like: :tu: :tu:
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I used this Western Bowie for camping. It was a great camp knife and the sheath is designed so that once the leg straps are tied to your leg it swivels so you can sit without the knife being in the way.
Click on picture for best picture
Vicman, I remember looking at the 49's is those old displays. I dont know why I never bought one. They'd make a good camp knife!
This Western is the one my dad carried when he was in the US Army Timberwolf Division in WWII....it is my most prized knife and probably the reason I came to love Western knives.
The knife is stamped West...Cut Boulder, Colo.
The sheath is stamped Western States Cut. & Mfg. Co. Boulder, Colo. and has an image of a cowboy on a bucking bronco on it.
Click on pictures for best picture
8) :tu: :like:
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Lots of good Westerns Ray! :like:
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Vicman, I remember looking at the 49's is those old displays. I dont know why I never bought one. They'd make a good camp knife!
This Western is the one my dad carried when he was in the US Army Timberwolf Division in WWII....it is my most prized knife and probably the reason I came to love Western knives.
8) :tu: :like:
The 49's always drew my attention too when I would see the old displays. :D
Thanks for the like on my dad's West...Cut! :cheers:
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Here are some more of my Western knives
I was particularly fond of the yellow handled fishing knife when I was growing up...it cleaned a lot of fish. :D In the picture it looks like the scaler blade has stains on it...that is just reflections in the blade...both blades are in perfect shape.
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And here are a few more Westerns
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That's a nice Western TB. The sheaths are more difficult to obtain than the knife.
Congrats.
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That's a nice Western TB. The sheaths are more difficult to obtain than the knife.
Congrats.
Thanks TG. This sheath seems in pretty good shape. Honestly the Western was just "my date's sister." It came as a pair with the similarly aged Buck 110 (both 1978) that I wanted and the seller would not separate them.
After handling it, I have become a fan.
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It's a very cool pattern which was created perhaps almost a century ago.Almost every knife manufacturer made it.
I've been fortunate to have collected about 5-6 from various makers.I'll have to get some pictures later today.Case still makes it and I believe I have about 15 of those.Most makers also made a single blade version and Case even made a locking variation.I'll post some of those later.
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It makes sense that Case would have also made this pattern, since the maker of Western had married into the Case family. What's the Case one of these called?
Saw another of these for sale locally with a blade on one end and saw on the other, for about $100. Slightly different pattern, though.
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It makes sense that Case would have also made this pattern, since the maker of Western had married into the Case family. What's the Case one of these called?
Saw another of these for sale locally with a blade on one end and saw on the other, for about $100. Slightly different pattern, though.
The Case model number would depend on the material used for the scales.For instance a standard wood scale model would be a 6265,with Stag it would be 5265.The last numbers would remain the same,that is,65.
If it's a single blade model it would be a 6165.
Here are two of other makers.
The first one is a Buck 317 that was made by Camillus for Buck.
The second is made by Queen and features D2 steel.
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Here are two of other makers.
The first one is a Buck 317 that was made by Camillus for Buck.
The second is made by Queen and features D2 steel.
Nice knives toolguy! :like: :tu: :tu:
I always liked the pocket knives that Camillus made for Buck. They were great EDC knives. :cheers:
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It makes sense that Case would have also made this pattern, since the maker of Western had married into the Case family. What's the Case one of these called?
Saw another of these for sale locally with a blade on one end and saw on the other, for about $100. Slightly different pattern, though.
The Case model number would depend on the material used for the scales.For instance a standard wood scale model would be a 6265,with Stag it would be 5265.The last numbers would remain the same,that is,65.
If it's a single blade model it would be a 6165.
Here are two of other makers.
The first one is a Buck 317 that was made by Camillus for Buck.
The second is made by Queen and features D2 steel.
Good info, TG. May we see them open to compare the blade shape.
I have to admit, mine does not seem particularly sharp. I should be able to make it so, but it doesn't seem like it was abused either.
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Good info, TG. May we see them open to compare the blade shape.
I have to admit, mine does not seem particularly sharp. I should be able to make it so, but it doesn't seem like it was abused either.
Here are the blade profiles.As can be seen the,Buck 317 has two blades both of which have flat grinds.The Queen on the other hand,has a sabre grind on the main blade with a flat grind on the skinning blade.
These are the profiles that most manufactures follow.Some makers have both blades that have flat grinds and some makers have a combination of sabre grind and flat grind with the skinning blade always having a flat grind.
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Good info, TG. May we see them open to compare the blade shape.
I have to admit, mine does not seem particularly sharp. I should be able to make it so, but it doesn't seem like it was abused either.
Here are the blade profiles.As can be seen the,Buck 317 has two blades both of which have flat grinds.The Queen on the other hand,has a sabre grind on the main blade with a flat grind on the skinning blade.
These are the profiles that most manufactures follow.Some makers have both blades that have flat grinds and some makers have a combination of sabre grind and flat grind with the skinning blade always having a flat grind.
Nice examples, TG.
Looking at the bevels on both blades of this Western 062, they are very slim and difficult to see. They seem to have been sharpened more like Vic Swiss Army Knives 20 degees and less so a Buck Hunter 25 degree. Does that seem righ?
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I view it this way.The main blade will do all of the tough work.Eviscerating the animal,cutting through muscle,tendons and breaking down joints.I usually put a 30* angle on the main blade,especially if it's a sabre grind.I put a more shallow angle such as 20* on the skinning blade,as its only chore is separating the hide from the carcass.
The top two pictures are the Camillus #26 Hunter.Even though Camillus made the 317 Hunter for Buck,their own version the #26,featured a sabre grind on its main blade as apposed to the flat grind for the Buck.
The bottom two pictures are the Schrade model 227UH,under the Uncle Henry brand.As can be seen,both blades feature flat grinds.
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Here are the blade profiles.
Nice pics toolguy! :like: :tu: :tu:
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The top two pictures are the Camillus #26 Hunter.Even though Camillus made the 317 Hunter for Buck,their own version the #26,featured a sabre grind on its main blade as apposed to the flat grind for the Buck.
The bottom two pictures are the Schrade model 227UH,under the Uncle Henry brand.As can be seen,both blades feature flat grinds.
Great pics toolguy! :like: :tu: :tu:
I used to have a Schrade 227UH and I regret trading it off. :(
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Great pics toolguy! :like: :tu: :tu:
I used to have a Schrade 227UH and I regret trading it off. :(
Thanks.
You can still find these NIB on ebay for around $50.00
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Great pics toolguy! :like: :tu: :tu:
I used to have a Schrade 227UH and I regret trading it off. :(
Thanks.
You can still find these NIB on ebay for around $50.00
Thanks for the info! :cheers:
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Western 901 Camper
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Western 901 Camper
Nice Camper David! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Western 901 Camper.
It's so cool David,that it deserves an encore.Congrats.
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80250.0;attach=417656;image)
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Great thread!!
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Holy Smokes. I started a serious effort to sharpen my 1978 Western model 062. The thing was almost as dull as a butter knife. A sharpened with a Smith diamond stone at 25° and it has taken a good couple hours of trial and error to finally get *sections* of the blade to shave hair off my arm like a Buck 110.
Admittedly I was at it so long I sometimes grew impatient or lazy and scratched the flat of the blade with the stone in some places, but I am becoming happier with the end result. Just needs finesse now...
What the heck steel were these made from?
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Might be as simple as the heat treat? When sharpening steels that are challenging I tend to take a break. Some simple carbon steels and even some SAK have given me trouble :dunno:. I step away and come back so I don't try to brute force it into submission :rofl:.
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Western 901 Camper
Nice 901 Camper David! :like: :tu: :tu:
When I was growing up that was the knife I carried the most. I had no idea that Swiss Army knives existed, so I was amazed by the tools the 901 had.
In the picture the one on top is the one I carried the most. I bought both of them new, but the other one was bought quite a bit later on.
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Nice 901 Camper David! :like: :tu: :tu:
When I was growing up that was the knife I carried the most. I had no idea that Swiss Army knives existed, so I was amazed by the tools the 901 had.
In the picture the one on top is the one I carried the most. I bought both of them new, but the other one was bought quite a bit later on.
Click on picture for best picture
Very nice Campers :tu:
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Thanks Steve! :cheers:
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Very nice Campers :tu:
Thanks Rapidray! :cheers:
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Nice knives everyone.
Since the subject line mentioned Wayne,this would be an appropriate thread to display this again.
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Nice :like: :cheers:
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I love it!!
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Holy Smokes. I started a serious effort to sharpen my 1978 Western model 062. The thing was almost as dull as a butter knife. A sharpened with a Smith diamond stone at 25° and it has taken a good couple hours of trial and error to finally get *sections* of the blade to shave hair off my arm like a Buck 110.
Admittedly I was at it so long I sometimes grew impatient or lazy and scratched the flat of the blade with the stone in some places, but I am becoming happier with the end result. Just needs finesse now...
What the heck steel were these made from?
I think some of the later Westerns used stainless steel.
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Western 062.
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My latest 657. This one has two things about it I've never seen on any other 657. It has Rogers bone and a nail nick instead of a long pull.
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Nice ones! :cheers:
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:)
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Nice on buddy ! :cheers:
Barlow
(https://i.imgur.com/NSWZe5hh.jpg)
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Love them Western Barlows! :tu: :like:
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Nice on buddy ! :cheers:
Barlow
(https://i.imgur.com/NSWZe5hh.jpg)
Very nice on both of them! :cheers:
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Thanks Ray ! :cheers: