Post by: Kickalion PL on June 04, 2016, 04:18:00 PM
Do you think if he still will be using SAKs? If yes Which SAK should be his main tool in these series? If not, what would he be carring? Just a knife or some kind of multitool?
I personally would like to see him using a simple Tinker, maybe smaller version. What's you predictions?
Post by: dks on June 04, 2016, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: cody6268 on June 04, 2016, 07:01:04 PM
Seriously though--I'd like to see some of my EDC SAKs, like the Soldier '08 or Craftsman. I feel the Soldier would be perfect in a survival situation paired with a fixed blade or larger folding knife (i.e. Buck 110).
I wouldn't be surprised if they use brands other than Vic/Wenger, like Leatherman.
Post by: Gath on June 04, 2016, 10:20:46 PM
Seriously though--I'd like to see some of my EDC SAKs, like the Soldier '08 or Craftsman. I feel the Soldier would be perfect in a survival situation paired with a fixed blade or larger folding knife (i.e. Buck 110).
I wouldn't be surprised if they use brands other than Vic/Wenger, like Leatherman.
Though one strength of the classic 91mm SAKs is that they don't seem that threatening. While if you were captured or whatever with the Soldier I don't see anyone letting you keep that. But we'll see, wonder if there will be sponsorship deals around, or don't the manufacturers trust the new series to take off/ know they can't shake the Vic user image of Macgyver anyway.
Post by: Kickalion PL on June 04, 2016, 10:46:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxlkqVtrJUg
look at 0:19...what's that? And 0:32 He's using some kind of automatic knife
but thread is still actual, what would you like to see in the series?
Post by: Gath on June 04, 2016, 10:52:15 PM
Post by: Gareth on June 04, 2016, 10:53:44 PM
Post by: Tomcat_81 on June 04, 2016, 11:59:07 PM
Just imagine!
But with our luck if will be an iphone.
Post by: styx on June 05, 2016, 10:22:51 AM
Post by: enki_ck on June 05, 2016, 06:59:44 PM
Post by: Rich S on June 05, 2016, 07:53:34 PM
Rich
Post by: magentus on June 05, 2016, 07:57:48 PM
(http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/ad80/magentus2112/WP_20160603_003_zps4paltpa4.jpg) (http://s923.photobucket.com/user/magentus2112/media/WP_20160603_003_zps4paltpa4.jpg.html)
Post by: mtngunr on June 05, 2016, 08:23:31 PM
No.......he used an outside bench to smash his way through the french doors....no idea if alcohol played any part in this.
Co-workers heard about the incident and present him with the bench.....all painted up in Swiss Army Knife style, and it called thereafter his Swiss Army Bench.
Post by: Kickalion PL on June 05, 2016, 08:24:35 PM
Been a MacGyverite forever, but when and what channel/network is the new series coming on?
Rich
CBS I believe. http://deadline.com/2016/03/lucas-till-cast-macgyver-cbs-pilot-x-men-1201723767/
Post by: Barry Rowland on June 07, 2016, 02:55:57 AM
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Post by: detron on June 07, 2016, 03:06:27 AM
I've been a Mac fan forever, and have most of the original series on DVD. The one SAK he never packed is the one I'd love to see him with....a Swiss Champ! If not that, either a Swiss Spirit or the Swisstool.
I agree with you, but, having a SwissChamp and doing something cool kinda removes the "macGuyver'ing aspect of it. basically you have a whole toolbox.
Post by: Zephon on June 08, 2016, 02:01:31 AM
Otherwise, they'll purposely remove the trademark from the scales and this new McGyver is gonna end up looking like he's using a china-made no-name knife :P
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 08, 2016, 04:11:49 AM
Post by: Barry Rowland on June 08, 2016, 04:30:57 AM
Post by: twiliter on June 08, 2016, 02:06:31 PM
Young people... :facepalm:
Post by: Padre on June 08, 2016, 03:18:33 PM
But I love Microtechs...
Post by: toolguy on June 08, 2016, 07:19:11 PM
Remakes of successful shows have a high rate of failure.
Post by: Tomcat_81 on June 08, 2016, 08:25:48 PM
Tomcat
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 08, 2016, 09:44:11 PM
http://www.macgyveronline.com/pages/saks
So I was looking at the thread linked to this list and saw something funny.
They were talking about all the different SAKs that were used throughout the show and seemed pretty out off that MacGyver might of has 21 SAKs!
They seem to think he may have had a problem lol.
Post by: Tomcat_81 on June 08, 2016, 10:05:46 PM
http://www.macgyveronline.com/pages/saks
So I was looking at the thread linked to this list and saw something funny.
They were talking about all the different SAKs that were used throughout the show and seemed pretty out off that MacGyver might of has 21 SAKs!
They seem to think he may have had a problem lol.
Yeah, I mean ... 21 ?
Just 21?
Multiply by ten and you'll approach a much healthier number.
Tomcat, owner of roughly a hundred.
Post by: Gareth on June 08, 2016, 11:50:05 PM
http://www.macgyveronline.com/pages/saks
So I was looking at the thread linked to this list and saw something funny.
They were talking about all the different SAKs that were used throughout the show and seemed pretty out off that MacGyver might of has 21 SAKs!
They seem to think he may have had a problem lol.
I'd say he's only got about half the number he might need and not nearly enough to be considered odd. :whistle:
Post by: magentus on June 09, 2016, 11:53:40 AM
He wouldn't even be considered odd if he carried all 21 all the time.http://www.macgyveronline.com/pages/saks
So I was looking at the thread linked to this list and saw something funny.
They were talking about all the different SAKs that were used throughout the show and seemed pretty out off that MacGyver might of has 21 SAKs!
They seem to think he may have had a problem lol.
I'd say he's only got about half the number he might need and not nearly enough to be considered odd. :whistle:
Post by: Barry Rowland on June 09, 2016, 01:16:24 PM
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Post by: tango44 on June 17, 2016, 11:06:54 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on June 18, 2016, 06:32:28 AM
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Post by: Australia on June 18, 2016, 01:51:38 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on June 18, 2016, 03:40:00 PM
I think the new actor needs a haircut
+1
Post by: Tomcat_81 on June 18, 2016, 04:10:36 PM
I think the new actor needs a haircut
Out of my own experience I can say that time will see to that :-[
Post by: shibafu on June 19, 2016, 12:27:01 PM
I think the new actor needs a haircut
Only on top, leave the back :D
Post by: twiliter on June 19, 2016, 03:08:40 PM
I think the new actor needs a haircut
Only on top, leave the back :D
Not many people can make a mullet look OK, in fact RDA might be the only one. David Spade sure didn't help it's lack of appeal... :P
Post by: TonySal on August 24, 2016, 03:48:16 AM
According to their site, they modded saks to fit the emerency, but I still say Tinker as official
Post by: JamesJ on August 24, 2016, 06:07:35 AM
I saw an episode of Cheers the other day, this one:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0539926/
and in it Cliff Claven pulls out his Swiss army knife and says he's got the deluxe model "with the toothpick/tweezers combo". Later after he uses it to remove some bolts from the floorboards at Boston Garden (the basketball court), when they discover plywood underneath, Cliff says "Great! I can use the saw!" That's such a SAK enthusiant mentality...finding reasons to use it! Was a fun episode. Couldn't tell what SAK it actually was.
Post by: Mattexian on August 25, 2016, 10:54:38 PM
I dunno, I recall one episode where Mac was stopped by a hard-ass small town police chief who frisked him and arrested him on the spot for a "concealed weapon."
Seriously though--I'd like to see some of my EDC SAKs, like the Soldier '08 or Craftsman. I feel the Soldier would be perfect in a survival situation paired with a fixed blade or larger folding knife (i.e. Buck 110).
I wouldn't be surprised if they use brands other than Vic/Wenger, like Leatherman.
Though one strength of the classic 91mm SAKs is that they don't seem that threatening. While if you were captured or whatever with the Soldier I don't see anyone letting you keep that. But we'll see, wonder if there will be sponsorship deals around, or don't the manufacturers trust the new series to take off/ know they can't shake the Vic user image of Macgyver anyway.
Another time (one of his Old West dreams, the first one, I believe), at the end of the dream sequence, a Swiss migrant gave Mac a pocketknife he'd made, and when Mac woke up, he still had it in his hand, and it looked like a wooden-scaled Soldier or Pioneer, with the waffle grip. The MacGyver wiki says it was a Hardwood Spartan. Granted, I'm running on a 25+ year-old memory of one scene.
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Post by: Barry Rowland on September 22, 2016, 02:39:38 AM
Post by: TonySal on September 22, 2016, 04:32:06 AM
SwizaSwiza?!? NEVER!
Post by: TonySal on September 22, 2016, 04:34:27 AM
Been a MacGyverite forever, but when and what channel/network is the new series coming on?By me I believe its CBS
Rich
Post by: PTRSAK on September 22, 2016, 04:45:16 AM
Electro etched Mac
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/Mac-spartan.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/Mac-spartan.jpg.html)
Post by: shibafu on September 22, 2016, 12:17:12 PM
I just saw a clip of the new show and it looks like he's sporting a Climber or a Camper....3 layer with corkscrew for sure.
I guess that's inflation since in the original series 2-layer models were most common... good that they're keeping it reasonably minimalist though.
Post by: Barry Rowland on September 22, 2016, 03:02:48 PM
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Post by: deputy tom on September 24, 2016, 01:01:53 AM
Post by: MadPlumbarian on September 24, 2016, 01:23:44 AM
We will find out in one hour. I can't wait. tom. :cheers:Sitting here waiting..
JR
Post by: Sazabi on September 24, 2016, 01:58:41 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on September 24, 2016, 02:01:45 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on September 24, 2016, 02:03:17 AM
Post by: MadPlumbarian on September 24, 2016, 02:06:11 AM
JR
Post by: SAK Guy on September 24, 2016, 02:53:50 AM
Mines recording!
JR
You will not be disappointed! :D
Post by: MadPlumbarian on September 24, 2016, 05:16:59 AM
Idk, it wasn't to thrilling..Mines recording!
JR
You will not be disappointed! :D
JR
Post by: SAK Guy on September 24, 2016, 06:28:53 AM
Idk, it wasn't to thrilling..Mines recording!
JR
You will not be disappointed! :D
JR
As I recall, neither was the original. It was high on the cool meter though...I think this one will be as well. :cheers:
Post by: MrsSabrina on September 24, 2016, 06:34:08 AM
Post by: shadowrider on September 24, 2016, 10:57:15 AM
Post by: rivercity on September 24, 2016, 12:23:54 PM
Post by: shadowrider on September 24, 2016, 12:34:49 PM
Anyway, the show is sponsored in part by Victorinox, it says so in the closing credits. Thus it makes sure to showcase the knife with its shield very much in evidence. You can rest assured there will be no Leatherman in this.
As for the knife itself, he uses a Climber: 3 layers, corkscrew and he gets to use the scissors. My sak of choice, way to go Mac! :cheers:
Although when he cuts the truck tarpaulin, towards the end (and shortly after having used the Climber), he uses a two layer knife, which looks to me like a Spartan.
So, either it's a minor continuity error that only us nuts would notice, or he's carring two saks!
Post by: Barry Rowland on September 24, 2016, 01:59:10 PM
Post by: styx on September 24, 2016, 03:11:37 PM
Post by: Everdying on September 24, 2016, 03:42:34 PM
too bad the mythbusters arent around anymore, else they probably would be preparing for a 2nd mcguyver special.
anyway, being a WIS...im more curious as to what timepieces they are all wearing :P
Post by: Etherealicer on September 24, 2016, 09:42:02 PM
I think the whole thing started too big, I mean they already have saved the world from a biological attack that could have wiped out all of north-america... where do you go from there?
That out of my system I would say it was OK, it has potential. What worries me is that this is the sort of TV show where anticipations are extremely high and a lot is riding on the first episode, so if that was their best, then I doubt this will be a long running show.
Post by: Smashie on September 24, 2016, 10:02:34 PM
ya its abit boring.
too bad the mythbusters arent around anymore, else they probably would be preparing for a 2nd mcguyver special.
anyway, being a WIS...im more curious as to what timepieces they are all wearing :P
I'll watch it again tomorrow and try and get some screen grabs, but it looked like he was wearing someting very similar to the original Timex Military. Given the connection with Vic though there will likely be a few of them in there as well.
I was prepared to hate it and was pleasntly surprised.
Post by: Fortytwo on September 24, 2016, 11:47:53 PM
First off, virii and explosives don't mix, biological material, even though one like virii, does not like fire/heat. I mean there is a slim chance (as a scientist I don't deal in absolutes but this chance is almost nonexistent) that this would work but after you just paid millions for a deadly virus, would you risk it?
I think the whole thing started too big, I mean they already have saved the world from a biological attack that could have wiped out all of north-america... where do you go from there?
That out of my system I would say it was OK, it has potential. What worries me is that this is the sort of TV show where anticipations are extremely high and a lot is riding on the first episode, so if that was their best, then I doubt this will be a long running show.
I haven't seen it but mightn't that be for the best? As you pointed out the big stakes are rarely good (there's some inverse law of care I believe) and if they got that out of the way in the first episode (start with a bang and and so on) it might settle at a better pace.
Post by: twiliter on September 24, 2016, 11:55:01 PM
Climber is a perfect choice for Mac, I approve! :tu:
Post by: SAK Guy on September 25, 2016, 02:17:22 AM
Post by: twiliter on September 25, 2016, 02:54:43 AM
Thank Heavens I have such a low entertainment threshold! :2tu:
lol :tu:
You and me both SG, it ain't easy being easily amused! :cheers:
Post by: metasyntax on September 25, 2016, 03:38:00 AM
Thank Heavens I have such a low entertainment threshold! :2tu:
lol :tu:
You and me both SG, it ain't easy being easily amused! :cheers:
I'm with you guys, I liked it a lot. Reminded me of Scorpion, minus the annoying characters (Mr. T-1000 aside) and total BS. :whistle:
Post by: JamesJ on September 25, 2016, 04:17:29 AM
Post by: TonySal on September 25, 2016, 04:36:16 AM
Everyone on social media is saying it wasn't good...but they all seem to love shows I hate, so maybe I should give it a shotAlways give it a shot and decide- can't ever be like the original, so enjoy (or don't :rant:
Post by: Everdying on September 25, 2016, 06:52:46 AM
I'll watch it again tomorrow and try and get some screen grabs, but it looked like he was wearing someting very similar to the original Timex Military. Given the connection with Vic though there will likely be a few of them in there as well.
I was prepared to hate it and was pleasntly surprised.
ya, on mac it looked like some generic military piece.
but im more curious as to what mr csi was wearing, looked like some chronograph diver with helium release valve.
managed to feed a couple of screenshots thru photoshop to enhance them...doesnt look like any victorinox timepiece...or may just be another generic diver :P
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/Glampyre/Watches/macgyver%20jack%201_zps3gxdiuny.jpg)
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Post by: mrynnr on September 25, 2016, 07:06:39 AM
Post by: shadowrider on September 25, 2016, 08:26:36 AM
That was hardcore!
Post by: Swiss Guy on September 25, 2016, 08:54:26 AM
Post by: kkokkolis on September 25, 2016, 10:58:16 AM
Post by: styx on September 25, 2016, 12:14:12 PM
First off, virii and explosives don't mix, biological material, even though one like virii, does not like fire/heat. I mean there is a slim chance (as a scientist I don't deal in absolutes but this chance is almost nonexistent) that this would work but after you just paid millions for a deadly virus, would you risk it?
I think the whole thing started too big, I mean they already have saved the world from a biological attack that could have wiped out all of north-america... where do you go from there?
That out of my system I would say it was OK, it has potential. What worries me is that this is the sort of TV show where anticipations are extremely high and a lot is riding on the first episode, so if that was their best, then I doubt this will be a long running show.
well at least we know you're not a Sith
Post by: SAK Guy on September 25, 2016, 03:12:47 PM
Did any of you guys ever open up a sak main blade with your teeth, as MacG. did in this episode??
That was hardcore!
No, I like to wear my caps on my head.....
Post by: Smashie on September 25, 2016, 03:18:19 PM
I'll watch it again tomorrow and try and get some screen grabs, but it looked like he was wearing someting very similar to the original Timex Military. Given the connection with Vic though there will likely be a few of them in there as well.
I was prepared to hate it and was pleasntly surprised.
ya, on mac it looked like some generic military piece.
but im more curious as to what mr csi was wearing, looked like some chronograph diver with helium release valve.
managed to feed a couple of screenshots thru photoshop to enhance them...doesnt look like any victorinox timepiece...or may just be another generic diver :P
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/Glampyre/Watches/macgyver%20jack%201_zps3gxdiuny.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/Glampyre/Watches/macgyver%20jack%202_zpsu8xpw2bw.jpg)
Looks like a Seiko to me
Post by: Diver on September 25, 2016, 03:37:29 PM
That doesn't make much sense. How does he know what tool he might need beforehand and choose the right SAK? He should carry a Swisschamp, and XLT or Spirit and be set.
but, but, but he's MacGyver! Of course he knows!
Post by: metasyntax on September 25, 2016, 03:45:38 PM
That doesn't make much sense. How does he know what tool he might need beforehand and choose the right SAK? He should carry a Swisschamp, and XLT or Spirit and be set.
but, but, but he's MacGyver! Of course he knows!
I think a central part of the premise is that the only tools he needs are the ones he already has. So he always takes exactly what he needs. Kinda like how a wizard always arrives precisely when he means to. ;)
Post by: Everdying on September 25, 2016, 03:58:00 PM
Looks like a Seiko to me
ya but im not aware of any seiko with what is possibly a helium release valve at 11.
Post by: Smashie on September 25, 2016, 04:14:18 PM
Looks like a Seiko to me
ya but im not aware of any seiko with what is possibly a helium release valve at 11.
It could also be another pusher, some of them have 4
Post by: Everdying on September 25, 2016, 04:42:29 PM
Looks like a Seiko to me
ya but im not aware of any seiko with what is possibly a helium release valve at 11.
It could also be another pusher, some of them have 4
afaik the only seikos with 4 pushers are analog digitals.
nevermind, guess i better go off to watchuseek and ask instead :P
Post by: Smashie on September 25, 2016, 04:54:37 PM
Looks like a Seiko to me
ya but im not aware of any seiko with what is possibly a helium release valve at 11.
It could also be another pusher, some of them have 4
afaik the only seikos with 4 pushers are analog digitals.
nevermind, guess i better go off to watchuseek and ask instead :P
Seiko Sportura is an example, remember Seiko put different models into different markets
Post by: undertaker99 on September 26, 2016, 01:35:36 AM
I'll watch it again tomorrow and try and get some screen grabs, but it looked like he was wearing someting very similar to the original Timex Military. Given the connection with Vic though there will likely be a few of them in there as well.
I was prepared to hate it and was pleasntly surprised.
ya, on mac it looked like some generic military piece.
but im more curious as to what mr csi was wearing, looked like some chronograph diver with helium release valve.
managed to feed a couple of screenshots thru photoshop to enhance them...doesnt look like any victorinox timepiece...or may just be another generic diver :P
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/Glampyre/Watches/macgyver%20jack%201_zps3gxdiuny.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/Glampyre/Watches/macgyver%20jack%202_zpsu8xpw2bw.jpg)
Looks like a Seiko to me
i disagree, i see the breitling logo
Post by: Everdying on September 26, 2016, 03:57:44 AM
i disagree, i see the breitling logo
ah nice catch, finally a real lead.
tho it may still be a toss-up between that and a dreaded invicta :P
Post by: Fortytwo on September 26, 2016, 12:44:21 PM
That doesn't make much sense. How does he know what tool he might need beforehand and choose the right SAK? He should carry a Swisschamp, and XLT or Spirit and be set.
Possibly the same way Bond always seem to find uses for his gadget?
Post by: G-Dizzle on September 26, 2016, 04:26:36 PM
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Post by: Barry Rowland on September 26, 2016, 10:26:17 PM
Post by: Gee.B on September 26, 2016, 10:50:55 PM
I realized that enjoy the show for it non linear development
-Sometimes MacGyver would fly to East Germany/Russia
-Sometimes he would stumble upon a problem just by going fishing
-Sometime the action would take place in the open nature with beautiful landscapes
-He could as well save the lives of men or of rare eagles
To me that what made the show great : a mix between Indiana Jones, James Bond and Tintin
I just watched the first episod of 2016 reboot. It was OK but I'm afraid it's gonna be as linear and boring as those heavily calibrated NCIS shows
Post by: undertaker99 on September 27, 2016, 12:26:50 AM
I just recently went over the 7 seasons of the original MacGyver TV Show.
I realized that enjoy the show for it non linear development
-Sometimes MacGyver would fly to East Germany/Russia
-Sometimes he would stumble upon a problem just by going fishing
-Sometime the action would take place in the open nature with beautiful landscapes
-He could as well save the lives of men or of rare eagles
To me that what made the show great : a mix between Indiana Jones, James Bond and Tintin
I just watched the first episod of 2016 reboot. It was OK but I'm afraid it's gonna be as linear and boring as those heavily calibrated NCIS shows
I recently watched the season 1 episode with the soldier ants and the close up shots of the ants and the sounds they were making made me uncomfortable I had to turn it off.
Post by: TonySal on September 27, 2016, 01:03:53 AM
I just recently went over the 7 seasons of the original MacGyver TV Show.
I realized that enjoy the show for it non linear development
-Sometimes MacGyver would fly to East Germany/Russia
-Sometimes he would stumble upon a problem just by going fishing
-Sometime the action would take place in the open nature with beautiful landscapes
-He could as well save the lives of men or of rare eagles
To me that what made the show great : a mix between Indiana Jones, James Bond and Tintin
I just watched the first episod of 2016 reboot. It was OK but I'm afraid it's gonna be as linear and boring as those heavily calibrated NCIS shows
Agree- NCIS started great- turned into a 'soap opera'
Post by: JasonJ on September 27, 2016, 04:37:19 PM
That being said, I look forward to more.
Post by: G-Dizzle on September 27, 2016, 05:35:36 PM
See I enjoyed the 2016 MacGyver premier.. it wasn't fantastic.. but it was good. Enough homages to the original to keep a fan happy. They did a little gender swapping for the character of Pete Thornton, turned into Patricia Thornton... yeah, whatever.. that's fine. I guess. Not necessary but not a transgression against the show by any means. It has potential... but I think they need to keep the stories to either one episode each (like the original, and NOT like tv today), or keep the bigger story arcs to just 2 or 3 episodes, or perhaps come back to it half a season later to wrap up or move it along, but not make it the whole point and only story across the entire season.+1
That being said, I look forward to more.
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Post by: shadowrider on September 29, 2016, 06:31:36 PM
Ep.2- Metal Saw
Ep.3- Wire Cutter
Ep.4- Awl
Ep.5- Toothpick
These are the only undisclosed ones so far.
Post by: G-Dizzle on September 29, 2016, 07:02:44 PM
You guys should notice the way they are naming upcoming episodes:
Ep.2- Metal Saw
Ep.3- Wire Cutter
Ep.4- Awl
Ep.5- Toothpick
These are the only undisclosed ones so far.
He's right! :o thanks for the heads up!
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Post by: SAK Guy on September 29, 2016, 10:15:45 PM
You guys should notice the way they are naming upcoming episodes:
Ep.2- Metal Saw
Ep.3- Wire Cutter
Ep.4- Awl
Ep.5- Toothpick
These are the only undisclosed ones so far.
He's right! :o thanks for the heads up!
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Geeze Louise! It's Vic's Greatest Hits!!!! :cheers:
Post by: cali-SAK-attack on September 30, 2016, 12:24:11 AM
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Post by: shadowrider on September 30, 2016, 04:33:42 PM
Post by: shadowrider on October 01, 2016, 09:11:38 AM
The new MacGyver seems to stick mostly to a 3 layer sak.
Also, as a side note, he carries it in the watch pocket of his pants (which I do too). :cheers:
Post by: Gee.B on October 01, 2016, 12:59:56 PM
I think they need to keep the stories to either one episode each (like the original, and NOT like tv today), or keep the bigger story arcs to just 2 or 3 episodes, or perhaps come back to it half a season later to wrap up or move it along, but not make it the whole point and only story across the entire season.
I agree but I dont want all those episodes planned the same way. I want to see 2016 MacGyver fall asleep and bring me to some western world from time to time like the old one. I want to see great US outdoors landscapes as much as Africa or Asia or Russia.
Hope they'll bring that back
Now I need to watch that 2nd episode :)
Post by: Everdying on October 01, 2016, 01:01:41 PM
Post by: Barry Rowland on October 01, 2016, 01:20:19 PM
You guys should notice the way they are naming upcoming episodes:
Ep.2- Metal Saw
Ep.3- Wire Cutter
Ep.4- Awl
Ep.5- Toothpick
These are the only undisclosed ones so far.
He's right! :o thanks for the heads up!
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Geeze Louise! It's Vic's Greatest Hits!!!! :cheers:
Post by: styx on October 01, 2016, 01:33:10 PM
Post by: styx on October 01, 2016, 01:34:32 PM
Post by: shadowrider on October 01, 2016, 07:16:37 PM
In my opinion, they were:
Fieldmaster, or possibly Mechanic or Tinker Deluxe- 1 scene
Camper- 3 (or less probably 2) scenes
Climber- 1 (or less probably 2) scenes
:salute:
Post by: JasonJ on October 01, 2016, 07:35:34 PM
Post by: shadowrider on October 01, 2016, 07:55:50 PM
By the way, seems like ep.7 will be named "can opener". Can't say I'm too crazy about this naming the episode after sak tools, feels a little too silly.
Post by: styx on October 01, 2016, 10:01:40 PM
Post by: sir_mike on October 02, 2016, 03:56:02 AM
I wonder why they named this episode "metal saw" when there is no connection to it in the storyline. Am I missing out on some hidden metaphorical meaning?
By the way, seems like ep.7 will be named "can opener". Can't say I'm too crazy about this naming the episode after sak tools, feels a little too silly.
Yeah I wondered that too. I didn't see him use the metal saw on anything but may have missed it.
Post by: Everdying on October 02, 2016, 05:50:12 AM
afterall, the first episode didnt have some tool name...and was named due to the formation of the phoenix foundation.
Post by: Nightshade on October 02, 2016, 07:21:55 AM
Shame, another rehash. I miss originality.
Post by: shadowrider on October 02, 2016, 05:09:50 PM
maybe victorinox are now trolling / or perhaps trying to get their money's worth.Can't wait till they get to Fish Scaler. :P
afterall, the first episode didnt have some tool name...and was named due to the formation of the phoenix foundation.
Post by: metasyntax on October 02, 2016, 07:43:36 PM
Episode 10: The Hook!maybe victorinox are now trolling / or perhaps trying to get their money's worth.Can't wait till they get to Fish Scaler. :P
afterall, the first episode didnt have some tool name...and was named due to the formation of the phoenix foundation.
Episode 11: Pharmacist Spatula
Episode 12: Hoof Pick
Episode 13: Orange Peeler
:whistle:
Post by: shibafu on October 03, 2016, 12:29:10 PM
Episode 10: The Hook!
Episode 11: Pharmacist Spatula
Episode 12: Hoof Pick
Episode 13: Orange Peeler
:whistle:
Episode 14: Magnifying glass
Episode 15: Magnifying glass, the old, grey one
Episode 16: Inline Phillips screwdriver
Episode 17: Back-side Phillips screwdriver
Episode 18: Back-side Philips with can key slot
Episode 19: Pen
Episode 20: Also sets DIP switches
Post by: Barry Rowland on October 04, 2016, 02:06:29 AM
Post by: PTRSAK on October 08, 2016, 12:20:40 PM
Post by: styx on October 08, 2016, 01:47:36 PM
As for those who ask which SAK was it, all I know is that it had a metal file and pliers
Post by: jaya_man on October 08, 2016, 03:27:27 PM
Well episode 3 was interesting SAK vise but not as much story wise, at least for me. I'll get some screen caps later in a better quality than usual.Don't tell just yet... it's airing tonight here
As for those who ask which SAK was it, all I know is that it had a metal file and pliers
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Post by: Everdying on October 08, 2016, 04:04:59 PM
would be surprised if this gets a 2nd season.
Post by: windson on October 09, 2016, 09:42:01 AM
Episode 10: The Hook!
Episode 11: Pharmacist Spatula
Episode 12: Hoof Pick
Episode 13: Orange Peeler
:whistle:
Episode 14: Magnifying glass
Episode 15: Magnifying glass, the old, grey one
Episode 16: Inline Phillips screwdriver
Episode 17: Back-side Phillips screwdriver
Episode 18: Back-side Philips with can key slot
Episode 19: Pen
Episode 20: Also sets DIP switches
Post by: Padre on October 09, 2016, 10:39:50 AM
I have seen only two first episodes and they have been really bad.
I would watch any of the old episodes over this crap.
This has nothing to do with MacGyver sadly.
Post by: styx on October 09, 2016, 12:49:35 PM
Post by: styx on October 09, 2016, 12:52:05 PM
Post by: styx on October 09, 2016, 12:54:34 PM
Post by: jalind on October 09, 2016, 01:06:22 PM
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/macgyver_2016/s01/ (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/macgyver_2016/s01/)
As someone else already posted, remakes in cinema or on TV have notoriously extremely high failure rates.
I had expected they would use a more minimalist knife, and that he wouldn't be using a large one. I'd be surprised if a 111mm or 130mm RangerGrip is used. The general public's perception of knives with large/long locking blades are a "Deadly Weapon Commando Knife for Killing and Maiming", especially a one-hand, even if a 111mm isn't any larger than a steak knife. Put yourself in the mindset of the demographic living in upper middle class suburban cul-de-sacs with soccer-mom vans parked in all the driveways. A 91mm or smaller SAK never got much notice in the engineering and product development offices where I worked. OTOH, the one-hand locking blade knives that instantly flipped open with one hand raised eyebrows when used although they weren't prohibited. It's the reason I only carried a five layer 91mm and a Classic. Someone pulling out and using a 111mm OH Trekker or 130mm RangerGrip would probably be quietly advised by a manager to carry something a little smaller. They were very tolerant about people carrying general purpose slipjoint pocket knives. Never saw anything much bigger than a 3-inch blade. No need for anything larger and we had plenty of hand tools around.
Would be interesting to see the new MacGyver with a Delemont Evolution or EvoGrip, but they will probably keep to the iconic red-scale 91mm, and the model containing the tool he needs for the script with the fewest layers. They didn't care about continuity in the original series. Numerous episodes had him using two different models. Only a SAK aficionado could ID the model and the average viewer didn't care. Red scales equals Swiss Army Knife and that's all they saw.
Post by: sir_mike on October 09, 2016, 08:07:16 PM
Instead of changing them within the show, why not just start out with the big dog? The Swiss champ? LOL
I too will be surprised if it makes it to a second season or even finishes the first season but time will tell.
Post by: shadowrider on October 10, 2016, 05:56:54 AM
A better question would be: which SAKs were you able to identify?
In this third episode, I could spot a Climber, a Camper and a Ranger.
Post by: styx on October 10, 2016, 12:23:13 PM
Post by: shadowrider on October 10, 2016, 02:02:08 PM
the tactical guy wearing skinny jeans all the damn timeYeah and the fact that he runs kinda like a girl didn't help. :D
Post by: styx on October 10, 2016, 04:27:30 PM
Post by: undertaker99 on October 11, 2016, 05:56:21 AM
I doubt it's going to make it into 2nd Seasonthe same thing was said about star trek the next generation and look what happened
Post by: G-Dizzle on October 11, 2016, 04:38:43 PM
I doubt it's going to make it into 2nd Season - may not even make it past first half 1st Season when the first round of failed series cancellations are made. Very sadly, Rotten Tomatoes shows it thoroughly rotten. I hate to see any program fail that's an alternative to the plethora of "reality TV" programs.Thats interesting. I work in an office and no one bats an eye no matter what type of knife I have/use. It may help that I live in the southern US, where everyone who drives a truck has a big knife and a gun. It also probably helps that I have my own office, so for example when I brought in my BK7 today, I just keep it in there instead of in my truck.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/macgyver_2016/s01/ (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/macgyver_2016/s01/)
As someone else already posted, remakes in cinema or on TV have notoriously extremely high failure rates.
I had expected they would use a more minimalist knife, and that he wouldn't be using a large one. I'd be surprised if a 111mm or 130mm RangerGrip is used. The general public's perception of knives with large/long locking blades are a "Deadly Weapon Commando Knife for Killing and Maiming", especially a one-hand, even if a 111mm isn't any larger than a steak knife. Put yourself in the mindset of the demographic living in upper middle class suburban cul-de-sacs with soccer-mom vans parked in all the driveways. A 91mm or smaller SAK never got much notice in the engineering and product development offices where I worked. OTOH, the one-hand locking blade knives that instantly flipped open with one hand raised eyebrows when used although they weren't prohibited. It's the reason I only carried a five layer 91mm and a Classic. Someone pulling out and using a 111mm OH Trekker or 130mm RangerGrip would probably be quietly advised by a manager to carry something a little smaller. They were very tolerant about people carrying general purpose slipjoint pocket knives. Never saw anything much bigger than a 3-inch blade. No need for anything larger and we had plenty of hand tools around.
Would be interesting to see the new MacGyver with a Delemont Evolution or EvoGrip, but they will probably keep to the iconic red-scale 91mm, and the model containing the tool he needs for the script with the fewest layers. They didn't care about continuity in the original series. Numerous episodes had him using two different models. Only a SAK aficionado could ID the model and the average viewer didn't care. Red scales equals Swiss Army Knife and that's all they saw.
Here are all of the tools that I happen to have in my office at the moment: I am not carrying these all on my person, but they are in my office for one reason or the other
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Here are the ones that are actually on my person (plus wallet, notebook, etc):
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Post by: jalind on October 12, 2016, 03:40:20 AM
I doubt it's going to make it into 2nd Season
the same thing was said about star trek the next generation and look what happened
In spite of the reviews and the RT "Rotten" rating, it's doing surprisingly well in the Nielsen Ratings for Friday night, and that's what counts (mostly). It determines how much CBS can charge per minute of commercial air time. That changes as the ratings change and they're calculated for a program every time it airs (daily, weekly, etc.). How it fares after the networks shuffle program day and time slots around to try to improve their ratings on weak days and times will have to be seen, even if CBS doesn't move it. The other thing to watch for is how well it establishes itself for the long-term, with character development and perhaps an over-arching story arc to facilitate that. Programs that don't manage that well to keep interest going may do fine early on and then suffer a ratings drop after several months.
Hoping it continues to do OK in the Nielsen as the season plays out.
John
Post by: TonySal on October 12, 2016, 04:02:08 AM
Nice carry and office stuff truck dude- stay safe !I doubt it's going to make it into 2nd Season - may not even make it past first half 1st Season when the first round of failed series cancellations are made. Very sadly, Rotten Tomatoes shows it thoroughly rotten. I hate to see any program fail that's an alternative to the plethora of "reality TV" programs.Thats interesting. I work in an office and no one bats an eye no matter what type of knife I have/use. It may help that I live in the southern US, where everyone who drives a truck has a big knife and a gun. It also probably helps that I have my own office, so for example when I brought in my BK7 today, I just keep it in there instead of in my truck.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/macgyver_2016/s01/ (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/macgyver_2016/s01/)
As someone else already posted, remakes in cinema or on TV have notoriously extremely high failure rates.
I had expected they would use a more minimalist knife, and that he wouldn't be using a large one. I'd be surprised if a 111mm or 130mm RangerGrip is used. The general public's perception of knives with large/long locking blades are a "Deadly Weapon Commando Knife for Killing and Maiming", especially a one-hand, even if a 111mm isn't any larger than a steak knife. Put yourself in the mindset of the demographic living in upper middle class suburban cul-de-sacs with soccer-mom vans parked in all the driveways. A 91mm or smaller SAK never got much notice in the engineering and product development offices where I worked. OTOH, the one-hand locking blade knives that instantly flipped open with one hand raised eyebrows when used although they weren't prohibited. It's the reason I only carried a five layer 91mm and a Classic. Someone pulling out and using a 111mm OH Trekker or 130mm RangerGrip would probably be quietly advised by a manager to carry something a little smaller. They were very tolerant about people carrying general purpose slipjoint pocket knives. Never saw anything much bigger than a 3-inch blade. No need for anything larger and we had plenty of hand tools around.
Would be interesting to see the new MacGyver with a Delemont Evolution or EvoGrip, but they will probably keep to the iconic red-scale 91mm, and the model containing the tool he needs for the script with the fewest layers. They didn't care about continuity in the original series. Numerous episodes had him using two different models. Only a SAK aficionado could ID the model and the average viewer didn't care. Red scales equals Swiss Army Knife and that's all they saw.
Here are all of the tools that I happen to have in my office at the moment: I am not carrying these all on my person, but they are in my office for one reason or the other
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161011/bd1bed67c184afc23b5ddd0c44a692a1.jpg)
Here are the ones that are actually on my person (plus wallet, notebook, etc):
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161011/7c97498f525a52f2e65c2d18e511d6dc.jpg)
Post by: JasonJ on October 12, 2016, 03:40:38 PM
The other thing that bugs me is when Mac uses his first name.. a little too often and casually. This NEVER happened in the original series, where his first name was a mystery until near or at the end (I remember it being revealed in that episode where he went back in time and visited Merlin in Camelot...).
Other than that, I got no real issue with the series SO FAR.
What I'd love to see, however, is Mac in the morning, getting ready for another day of international buttkicking, going over to his closet or a cabinet and opening up a case or nice decorative storage box FULL of all sorts of different SAK models... with him carefully choosing the one he wants or needs for the day, maybe a couple of them. That would both show that he literally owns 60 odd different models, and that he can and sometimes does use more than one on a given mission. Nicely explaining how and why we see a different tool nearly every episode, and sometimes multiple times in the same episode.
Other than that, give us some character development (which we saw some of in episode 3, no spoilers for those who haven't seen it), and interesting stories.
Post by: Etherealicer on October 13, 2016, 06:52:59 PM
Show content
- Ok, first why get the alarm code if there is a gap in the door wide enough that I fit through (see attachment) :D :D :D
- Worst surveillance ever! I mean they waited for hours and didn't spot the "sniper" who is on the roof next to them.
- Finally, that is not how bacteria work.
- Worst surveillance ever! I mean they waited for hours and didn't spot the "sniper" who is on the roof next to them.
- Finally, that is not how bacteria work.
Post by: SAK Guy on October 13, 2016, 07:04:28 PM
"A willingness to suspend one's critical faculties and believe the unbelievable; sacrifice of realism and logic for the sake of enjoyment".
-coined by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/suspension-of-disbelief
Post by: ToolJoe on October 13, 2016, 08:47:58 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on October 13, 2016, 10:03:39 PM
Suspension of disbelief is your friend... :rofl:Samuel Taylor Coleridge probably lived before HD-TV, where the brain filled the gap (pun intended)...
"A willingness to suspend one's critical faculties and believe the unbelievable; sacrifice of realism and logic for the sake of enjoyment".
-coined by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/suspension-of-disbelief
Yeah, I might have a problem doing that... especially if the guy on the telly is trying to give me advice on emergency surgery.
Post by: Jibs182 on October 14, 2016, 03:27:54 AM
Episode 10: The Hook!maybe victorinox are now trolling / or perhaps trying to get their money's worth.Can't wait till they get to Fish Scaler. :P
afterall, the first episode didnt have some tool name...and was named due to the formation of the phoenix foundation.
Episode 11: Pharmacist Spatula
Episode 12: Hoof Pick
Episode 13: Orange Peeler
:whistle:
On the original show back in the day there was an episode where MacGyver used an orange peeler to strip wires or something. I ran to the store the very next day and bought an Executive.
Post by: rivercity on October 14, 2016, 04:07:11 AM
On the original show back in the day there was an episode where MacGyver used an orange peeler to strip wires or something. I ran to the store the very next day and bought an Executive.
I liked the episode on the cruise ship, with his old Vietnam buddy.
The scene where he has to open the giant vials of acid to neutralize the bomb, was my inspiration for executive purchase......LOL
:cheers:
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Post by: SAK Guy on October 14, 2016, 05:14:42 AM
Suspension of disbelief is your friend... :rofl:Samuel Taylor Coleridge probably lived before HD-TV, where the brain filled the gap (pun intended)...
"A willingness to suspend one's critical faculties and believe the unbelievable; sacrifice of realism and logic for the sake of enjoyment".
-coined by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/suspension-of-disbelief
Yeah, I might have a problem doing that... especially if the guy on the telly is trying to give me advice on emergency surgery.
:cheers: Being a Lit major, I'm intensively trained at avoiding reality in every aspect of life and writing metaphorically rich narratives about it on numerous job applications. :D
Post by: Barry Rowland on October 14, 2016, 08:59:40 AM
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On the original show back in the day there was an episode where MacGyver used an orange peeler to strip wires or something. I ran to the store the very next day and bought an Executive.
I liked the episode on the cruise ship, with his old Vietnam buddy.
The scene where he has to open the giant vials of acid to neutralize the bomb, was my inspiration for executive purchase......LOL
:cheers:
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Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 14, 2016, 10:57:57 AM
maybe victorinox are now trolling / or perhaps trying to get their money's worth.Can't wait till they get to Fish Scaler. :P
afterall, the first episode didnt have some tool name...and was named due to the formation of the phoenix foundation.
I'm waiting for him to find a new use for the parcel hook....
Post by: firiki on October 14, 2016, 02:00:34 PM
maybe victorinox are now trolling / or perhaps trying to get their money's worth.Can't wait till they get to Fish Scaler. :P
afterall, the first episode didnt have some tool name...and was named due to the formation of the phoenix foundation.
I'm waiting for him to find a new use for the parcel hook....
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Post by: Barry Rowland on October 15, 2016, 01:16:31 AM
Post by: TonySal on October 15, 2016, 04:08:43 AM
Suspension of disbelief is your friend... :rofl:Samuel Taylor Coleridge probably lived before HD-TV, where the brain filled the gap (pun intended)...
"A willingness to suspend one's critical faculties and believe the unbelievable; sacrifice of realism and logic for the sake of enjoyment".
-coined by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/suspension-of-disbelief
Yeah, I might have a problem doing that... especially if the guy on the telly is trying to give me advice on emergency surgery.
:cheers: Being a Lit major, I'm intensively trained at avoiding reality in every aspect of life and writing metaphorically rich narratives about it on numerous job applications. :D
Im just an ancient mariner, what do I know about that Samuel guy... :whistle:
Post by: jalind on October 15, 2016, 04:45:51 AM
Suspension of disbelief is your friend... :rofl:Samuel Taylor Coleridge probably lived before HD-TV, where the brain filled the gap (pun intended)...
"A willingness to suspend one's critical faculties and believe the unbelievable; sacrifice of realism and logic for the sake of enjoyment".
-coined by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
http://www.dictionary.com...e/suspension-of-disbelief (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/suspension-of-disbelief)
Yeah, I might have a problem doing that... especially if the guy on the telly is trying to give me advice on emergency surgery.
:cheers: Being a Lit major, I'm intensively trained at avoiding reality in every aspect of life and writing metaphorically rich narratives about it on numerous job applications. :D
Im just an ancient mariner, what do I know about that Samuel guy... :whistle:
I've watched four episodes now and Movie Physics runs amok throughout the show (so much I don't know where to begin). Quantity of Disbelief Suspension required is directly proportional to the quantity of Movie Physics used. More about Movie Physics can be found here:
http://www.intuitor.com/moviephysics/
Vics Vics everywhere
And all the scales did scratch
Vics Vics everywhere
Nor any Alox to snatch
I do think I spotted a Deluxe Tinker near the end when he deployed the pliers.
John
:D
Post by: Everdying on October 15, 2016, 07:28:34 AM
at least they're not treating the viewers like idiots as i half expected them to paste 'baking soda' all over the screen at the start.
but i think this time they used 3 different SAKs in 1 scene all within a min of each other.
Post by: jalind on October 15, 2016, 09:57:35 AM
episode 4 has hope again.
at least they're not treating the viewers like idiots as i half expected them to paste 'baking soda' all over the screen at the start.
but i think this time they used 3 different SAKs in 1 scene all within a min of each other.
I wasn't watching that closely until the pliers came out. Sometimes it's hard to tell, but it appears he's using a Spartan or Climber quite a bit as I keep seeing three layers from the end with back layer corkscrew. The corkscrew shows up all the time. In the original series, the Tinker was the most commonly used. I've noted different models showing up in the same show, which the original also did. The general viewing public wouldn't notice, or care.
Much of the stuff he creates is only half possible at best. The car battery arc welder cutting torch and the liter soda bottle gas mask are two prime examples. It's possible to create both and have them work, but with what they used, and how they used it, you'd never get there.
Nevertheless, it's been a fun watch and they're starting to get more meaningful character development with a larger background story arc with several subplots going to give it some depth.
John
Post by: styx on October 15, 2016, 04:17:06 PM
Post by: jaya_man on October 15, 2016, 08:36:15 PM
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Post by: styx on October 15, 2016, 09:55:07 PM
Post by: shadowrider on October 15, 2016, 10:18:56 PM
Post by: jalind on October 15, 2016, 11:14:02 PM
Definitely a Deluxe Tinker used to turn cheget into a cheget-top
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He also pulls out the pliers from it and uses them, but don't recall if it was before or after this scene.
Post by: jaya_man on October 16, 2016, 06:07:11 AM
After this scene... I think its the part where Mac was fashioning a solution for broken cheget keyboardDefinitely a Deluxe Tinker used to turn cheget into a cheget-top
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He also pulls out the pliers from it and uses them, but don't recall if it was before or after this scene.
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Post by: jaya_man on October 16, 2016, 06:07:41 AM
i'm just glad he didn't use the knife blade as a scewdriver this timeAgree...
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Post by: Everdying on October 16, 2016, 07:45:36 AM
he also used what looked like a 2 layer with backside corkscrew, while using the can opener driver...so spartan? compact?
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Post by: jalind on October 16, 2016, 04:54:55 PM
between the 2 shots of him using the 4-layer with backside philips, which has been deduced as the deluxe tinker...
he also used what looked like a 2 layer with backside corkscrew, while using the can opener driver...so spartan? compact?
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I'd bet Spartan as I've seen that used numerous times in the first four programs. A Compact has the combo opener. My thought is they're providing him with the mainstream lineup: Tinker, Super Tinker, Deluxe Tinker and Spartan. Maybe we might eventually see a wood saw used from a Huntsman or magnifier used from an Explorer (IMHO less likely than saw).
John
Post by: jaya_man on October 16, 2016, 04:59:43 PM
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Post by: styx on October 16, 2016, 05:43:27 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on October 17, 2016, 09:07:22 AM
Post by: Etherealicer on October 17, 2016, 09:08:48 AM
I'm done with this awful show. I'll just rewatch the original instead.Yeah, I give it one more episode...
Then I go re-watch Burn Notice (the old Mac is a bit too outdated for me) and at least the initial seasons of Burn Notice have definitively a Mac-vibe.
Post by: Barry Rowland on October 17, 2016, 10:55:41 AM
Post by: styx on October 17, 2016, 11:31:00 AM
I'm done with this awful show. I'll just rewatch the original instead.Yeah, I give it one more episode...
Then I go re-watch Burn Notice (the old Mac is a bit too outdated for me) and at least the initial seasons of Burn Notice have definitively a Mac-vibe.
took the words right out of my mouth
Post by: jalind on October 17, 2016, 01:06:57 PM
I think they switch the knife on purpose... so you nerds can try to figure them all out :DA real mind blower would be using a discontinued model like a Champion, or a Woodsman, or perhaps a special collectors' build like a Swiss Bianco Yeoman-Mechanic.
John
Post by: firiki on October 17, 2016, 01:56:01 PM
I think they switch the knife on purpose... so you nerds can try to figure them all out :DA real mind blower would beusing a discontinued model like a Champion, or a Woodsman, or perhaps a special collectors' build like a Swiss Bianco Yeoman-Mechanic.
John
if this new McGyver were a alox using dudette 8)
Post by: shadowrider on October 17, 2016, 07:13:55 PM
I'd bet Spartan as I've seen that used numerous times in the first four programs. A Compact has the combo opener. My thought is they're providing him with the mainstream lineup: Tinker, Super Tinker, Deluxe Tinker and Spartan. Maybe we might eventually see a wood saw used from a Huntsman or magnifier used from an Explorer (IMHO less likely than saw).
John
He did use a wood saw in ep.2.
Post by: sir_mike on October 17, 2016, 08:14:26 PM
Post by: jalind on October 18, 2016, 02:57:57 PM
He did use a wood saw in ep.2.
I missed that on the way through. I was playing catchup watching it on CBS.com using a small laptop, which isn't ideal for spotting details. The flash player used on their web site isn't designed for pause and replay. That episode had me rolling my eyes at some of the disbelief suspension required. The example that immediately comes to mind is the fire MacGyver starts in the Venezuelan bar. I've got the TiVo set to pick up 1-3 when they're run again.
Maybe he'll eventually use a red Pioneer X and a Harvester! ;)
John
Post by: ToolJoe on October 22, 2016, 04:32:15 PM
Post by: jalind on October 22, 2016, 05:22:47 PM
Great use of the awl last night to puncture a bottle of hair spray for self defense purposes in last nights episode. :cheers:Yes -- AWLSOME scene! The guy he sprayed recovered from it much too fast though.
I counted at least three, probably four different SAK in use . . .
Climber, Super Tinker, Deluxe Tinker and probably a 2-layer Tinker
I wonder how he fits them all into his skinny jeans pocket?
This program is more like Mission: Impossible than the old MacGyver.
John
Post by: Everdying on October 22, 2016, 07:14:27 PM
for someone who picked a lock with a bobby pin earlier on, yet got completed frustrated when he couldn't open that jewelry box nor drawers with the mysterious key.
Post by: jalind on October 22, 2016, 08:04:46 PM
cept the ending was kinda stupid.
for someone who picked a lock with a bobby pin earlier on, yet got completed frustrated when he couldn't open that jewelry box nor drawers with the mysterious key.
Maybe - I thought he was just checking if it fit any of them . . . frustrated because he doesn't know what lock it's for. Locks like the one he opened with a bobby pin are easy. Just need a paper clip and a small flat-tip screwdriver to keep a small amount of pressure on turning the cylinder.
John
Post by: styx on October 22, 2016, 09:20:09 PM
Post by: jalind on October 22, 2016, 09:56:47 PM
somehow my day went better without watching this tragedyLike the other episodes it's heavily laden with "Movie Physics".
John
Post by: Everdying on October 23, 2016, 05:02:21 AM
another wtf moment is when he had time to take out his knife, remove the toothpick and then jam it into the barrel of a gun with pinpoint precision...
all in quicker time before a trained assassin could fire it off.
Post by: styx on October 23, 2016, 10:59:34 AM
Post by: jalind on October 23, 2016, 12:49:37 PM
"modern physics" has nothing on mac.
another wtf moment is when he had time to take out his knife, remove the toothpick and then jam it into the barrel of a gun with pinpoint precision...
all in quicker time before a trained assassin could fire it off.
Yeah - he jammed it into the ejection port - impossible when a pistol is in battery as the port is completely closed with the breech locked - needed to jam the hammer provided it wasn't a "hammerless" (requiring equally improbable precision). I had to replay that sequence several times to verify what I thought I'd seen. Got the name of the show into the script though!
John
Post by: Dean51 on October 23, 2016, 02:33:44 PM
Maybe it's just me but they are way over using the SAK's, the original MacGyver didn't use a SAK in every episode.
Post by: styx on October 23, 2016, 05:10:43 PM
Post by: jalind on October 23, 2016, 11:45:43 PM
It's obvious they're using an array of SAKs and sometimes different ones in different takes from different perspectives for the same action, which is a production design continuity error.
Three layer with corkscrew; looks like a climber; using tweezers to pluck hair from drain . . .
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/MacGyver/MacGyver%20-%200105%20Toothpick%2001.jpg)
He's using the back layer Phillips to open the electric razor; looks like a Super Tinker . . .
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/MacGyver/MacGyver%20-%200105%20Toothpick%2002.jpg)
Same razor disassembly scene with different take from different perspective. Now using the in-line Phillips on an Explorer . . .
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/MacGyver/MacGyver%20-%200105%20Toothpick%2003.jpg)
Deluxe Tinker with awl deployed to puncture hair spray can . . .
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/MacGyver/MacGyver%20-%200105%20Toothpick%2004.jpg)
Followed very quickly by its toothpick being wedged into the rear of a pistol's ejection port, which is physically impossible as the pistol is in battery, its user having just racked the slide to simultaneously chamber a round and cock the hammer.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/MacGyver/MacGyver%20-%200105%20Toothpick%2005.jpg)
Borrows a bobby pin from the damsel in distress, and uses it with tweezers to pick a door lock on the train.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/MacGyver/MacGyver%20-%200105%20Toothpick%2006.jpg)
Unclear which model he's using here as he's opening the door to attempt removing it from its track, but appears to be a three layer Super Tinker or Climber.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/MacGyver/MacGyver%20-%200105%20Toothpick%2007.jpg)
Ought to be using the Explorer for this, but instead he's using the can opener on a Huntsman (layer next main blade is a wood saw)!
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/MacGyver/MacGyver%20-%200105%20Toothpick%2008.jpg)
Another continuity error with two takes from different perspectives for the same scene use two different models. The one on the left is a three layer Super Tinker, but the one on the right is four layer (Deluxe Tinker, Explorer, or Huntsman).
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/MacGyver/MacGyver%20-%200105%20Toothpick%2009.jpg)
Offers up his three or four layer (too wide for two) SAK to Jack if he wants to crawl down into the undercarriage of the hurtling train engine . . .
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/MacGyver/MacGyver%20-%200105%20Toothpick%2010.jpg)
In the epilogue, he uses what looks to be a three-layer Super-Tinker or Climber to cut some string to hang the key around his neck.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/MacGyver/MacGyver%20-%200105%20Toothpick%2011.jpg)
I don't plan on doing this for every episode. It's broadcast in 1080i and I resized the screen captures to half (960 x 540) for upload. Saw enough examples of numerous different models plus the two continuity errors.
John
Post by: sir_mike on October 24, 2016, 01:48:09 AM
That is kinda ridiculous and can't believe they have done that! Maybe getting paid more from Vic or something is the reason. IDK.
Post by: jalind on October 24, 2016, 06:04:55 AM
Just read here that CBS ordered the rest of the 22 episodes for a complete season. Ordering only a handful is typical for a new series. Allows early cancellation if it bombs in the Nielsen Ratings at a much lower cost, only paying for a half-dozen or so episodes.
http://deadline.com/2016/...on-orders-cbs-1201837567/ (http://deadline.com/2016/10/bull-kevin-can-wait-macgyver-full-season-orders-cbs-1201837567/)
While IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes ratings can be of value to see if something is what you would like to watch, they don't count for much when it comes to TV program cancellation. The Nielsen Ratings are about the only thing used to decide whether or not to cancel a program as they determine how much can be charged for ad spots during the program (including opening and closing ads), and it shifts dynamically as a program's ratings go up or down.
Some notes about the series season and episode run time:
They're running two episodes shorter than the current standard 24 episode season (which has shrunk over the decades). I'm also watching run time now. The latest episode five (Toothpick) had less than 40 minutes total run time at 39:26, including credits and the preview for episode six. Episode four (Wirecutter) was a little more normal at 41:20 minutes. This appears to be slightly shorter than six to eight years ago when I was recording Numb3rs, another CBS hour time slot program, which typically ran about ~42:30 minutes (with variation). These could be shorter than average as I didn't see the first three and will need to record a few more. Run time has gotten much shorter over the decades. If you feel like you're watching more commercials than before, you are. They're currently about 30% of the time slot.
If you missed any of the first three and want to see them, don't wait until next Summer (in USA). They will most likely be rerun during upcoming holiday weeks. The norm is rerunning them in sequence of original air date.
John
Post by: firiki on October 24, 2016, 10:17:36 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on October 29, 2016, 02:57:17 AM
Oh yeah, the episode name was Wrench!! :D
Post by: ToolJoe on October 29, 2016, 04:24:05 AM
Post by: jaya_man on October 29, 2016, 04:49:54 AM
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I would be surprised if it is the old Wenger... That means breaking tradition and use an actual model not in production
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Post by: Everdying on October 29, 2016, 10:55:43 AM
its also interesting how a top hacker when asked how many files there were - just said hundreds going back years...when most would be quite specific...maybe a ctrl-A? :P
Post by: styx on October 29, 2016, 01:37:11 PM
Post by: jalind on October 29, 2016, 02:21:43 PM
Could it be either of these?
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161029/d8885547b0a689fb2d8854d550251f90.png)
I would be surprised if it is the old Wenger... That means breaking tradition and use an actual model not in production (http://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji23.png)
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Hard for me to imagine them using a discontinued. For the camera under the door he used a 5-layer with a Victorinox logo on the scales to disassemble the cell phone. In one frame it had a top layer Phillips opposite . . . not a magnifier . . . but a wrench. Had to look at a few frames and can barely make out the sculpted scales. It's a Delemont Evolution S557 (I've got an EvoGrip S557).
Prologue: Climber
1/3rd through; haven't finished it yet. What got my attention was the black-out folder with the thumb button! :o
John
Post by: shadowrider on October 29, 2016, 03:54:05 PM
Could it be either of these?
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161029/d8885547b0a689fb2d8854d550251f90.png)
I would be surprised if it is the old Wenger... That means breaking tradition and use an actual model not in production (http://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji23.png)
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Hard for me to imagine them using a discontinued. For the camera under the door he used a 5-layer with a Victorinox logo on the scales to disassemble the cell phone. In one frame it had a top layer Phillips opposite . . . not a magnifier . . . but a wrench. Had to look at a few frames and can barely make out the sculpted scales. It's a Delemont Evolution S557 (I've got an EvoGrip S557).
Prologue: Climber
1/3rd through; haven't finished it yet. What got my attention was the black-out folder with the thumb button! :o
John
Post by: jaya_man on October 29, 2016, 04:33:29 PM
You can see the Vic logo is printed on and in white, plus the handles are ergonomic. Thumbs up for the Delemont!Haven't watched it yet, but thankfully recorded the episode for watching later... might have to bring out the evowood s557 just to fiddle with while watching :facepalm:Could it be either of these?
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161029/d8885547b0a689fb2d8854d550251f90.png)
I would be surprised if it is the old Wenger... That means breaking tradition and use an actual model not in production (http://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji23.png)
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Hard for me to imagine them using a discontinued. For the camera under the door he used a 5-layer with a Victorinox logo on the scales to disassemble the cell phone. In one frame it had a top layer Phillips opposite . . . not a magnifier . . . but a wrench. Had to look at a few frames and can barely make out the sculpted scales. It's a Delemont Evolution S557 (I've got an EvoGrip S557).
Prologue: Climber
1/3rd through; haven't finished it yet. What got my attention was the black-out folder with the thumb button! :o
John
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Post by: jalind on October 29, 2016, 05:33:27 PM
You can see the Vic logo is printed on and in white, plus the handles are ergonomic. Thumbs up for the Delemont!Haven't watched it yet, but thankfully recorded the episode for watching later... might have to bring out the evowood s557 just to fiddle with while watching :facepalm:Could it be either of these?
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161029/d8885547b0a689fb2d8854d550251f90.png)
I would be surprised if it is the old Wenger... That means breaking tradition and use an actual model not in production (http://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji23.png)
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Hard for me to imagine them using a discontinued. For the camera under the door he used a 5-layer with a Victorinox logo on the scales to disassemble the cell phone. In one frame it had a top layer Phillips opposite . . . not a magnifier . . . but a wrench. Had to look at a few frames and can barely make out the sculpted scales. It's a Delemont Evolution S557 (I've got an EvoGrip S557).
Prologue: Climber
1/3rd through; haven't finished it yet. What got my attention was the black-out folder with the thumb button! :o
John
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Other than the Climber in the Prologue, and a Spyderco (???) lock blade OH folder near the beginning, he uses the Evolution S557 throughout. His last use confirms what it is without any doubt. I'm curious about the OH blackout folder with thumb stud and pocket clip, and why they didn't use a SAK. Could be something as inane as the SAK Wrangler wasn't on set or they couldn't find the SAK, and they couldn't delay shooting (TV production schedules are very tight), and it's what one of the crew had in his pocket. Sheer speculation, but many times these kinds of things have an entirely innocuous explanation.
John
Post by: jaya_man on October 29, 2016, 06:22:05 PM
The folder blade looks like a sebenza... studs instead of thumbhole... but then again, I'm not well versed on foldersYou can see the Vic logo is printed on and in white, plus the handles are ergonomic. Thumbs up for the Delemont!Haven't watched it yet, but thankfully recorded the episode for watching later... might have to bring out the evowood s557 just to fiddle with while watching :facepalm:Could it be either of these?
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161029/d8885547b0a689fb2d8854d550251f90.png)
I would be surprised if it is the old Wenger... That means breaking tradition and use an actual model not in production (http://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji23.png)
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Hard for me to imagine them using a discontinued. For the camera under the door he used a 5-layer with a Victorinox logo on the scales to disassemble the cell phone. In one frame it had a top layer Phillips opposite . . . not a magnifier . . . but a wrench. Had to look at a few frames and can barely make out the sculpted scales. It's a Delemont Evolution S557 (I've got an EvoGrip S557).
Prologue: Climber
1/3rd through; haven't finished it yet. What got my attention was the black-out folder with the thumb button! :o
John
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Other than the Climber in the Prologue, and a Spyderco (???) lock blade OH folder near the beginning, he uses the Evolution S557 throughout. His last use confirms what it is without any doubt. I'm curious about the OH blackout folder with thumb stud and pocket clip, and why they didn't use a SAK. Could be something as inane as the SAK Wrangler wasn't on set or they couldn't find the SAK, and they couldn't delay shooting (TV production schedules are very tight), and it's what one of the crew had in his pocket. Sheer speculation, but many times these kinds of things have an entirely innocuous explanation.
John
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Post by: Barry Rowland on October 30, 2016, 01:14:34 AM
Mac just held up and used a 6+ layer WENGER!!!!!! I saw the Wenger Universal Wrench in several shots....could have been a Delemont but in one shot it looked like it had the old smooth scales.
Oh yeah, the episode name was Wrench!! :D
Post by: SAK Guy on October 30, 2016, 03:51:22 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on October 30, 2016, 04:14:02 PM
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Redirect the blast of an explosion into a confined space (sewers), seriously?
Why didn't they surround the truck when the bomber was inside? And why did the tough as nails, super combat sharpshooter boss lady not shoot him when he was running off? Seriously, that need for cliffhangers is deranged.
The only positive thing was when he dissolved the bomb, that was pretty cool.
Why didn't they surround the truck when the bomber was inside? And why did the tough as nails, super combat sharpshooter boss lady not shoot him when he was running off? Seriously, that need for cliffhangers is deranged.
The only positive thing was when he dissolved the bomb, that was pretty cool.
Post by: jalind on October 30, 2016, 05:37:54 PM
I thought Episode 5 was pretty good (on the train), so I decided to continue but Ep6... :facepalm:Show contentRedirect the blast of an explosion into a confined space (sewers), seriously?
Why didn't they surround the truck when the bomber was inside? And why did the tough as nails, super combat sharpshooter boss lady not shoot him when he was running off? Seriously, that need for cliffhangers is deranged.
The only positive thing was when he dissolved the bomb, that was pretty cool.
Suspension of Disbelief is required in copious quantities for the new MacGyver. Check logic, and all knowledge of Physics and Chemistry at the door before entering :D
I didn't mention this before as it wasn't SAK related. The man MacGyver keeps mentioning was his "CO" (aka Commanding Officer) turns out be a Sergeant First Class (E-7), sometimes also referred to as a Platoon Sergeant. This is a senior NCO, but by no means or under any circumstances can any NCO hold a position of command. Only a Commissioned Officer, and in some rare cases a Commissioned Chief Warrant Officer, can hold a command in the U.S. Army. They completely botched that one. NCOIC, Team Chief, Platoon Sergeant, or some similar title would have been correct, but not ever "CO".
John
Post by: Etherealicer on October 31, 2016, 11:20:09 AM
You made me read up on US-military ranks :salute: That was a Major error :facepalm:I thought Episode 5 was pretty good (on the train), so I decided to continue but Ep6... :facepalm:Show contentRedirect the blast of an explosion into a confined space (sewers), seriously?
Why didn't they surround the truck when the bomber was inside? And why did the tough as nails, super combat sharpshooter boss lady not shoot him when he was running off? Seriously, that need for cliffhangers is deranged.
The only positive thing was when he dissolved the bomb, that was pretty cool.
Suspension of Disbelief is required in copious quantities for the new MacGyver. Check logic, and all knowledge of Physics and Chemistry at the door before entering :D
I didn't mention this before as it wasn't SAK related. The man MacGyver keeps mentioning was his "CO" (aka Commanding Officer) turns out be a Sergeant First Class (E-7), sometimes also referred to as a Platoon Sergeant. This is a senior NCO, but by no means or under any circumstances can any NCO hold a position of command. Only a Commissioned Officer, and in some rare cases a Commissioned Chief Warrant Officer, can hold a command in the U.S. Army. They completely botched that one. NCOIC, Team Chief, Platoon Sergeant, or some similar title would have been correct, but not ever "CO".
John
Post by: jalind on November 05, 2016, 06:46:44 AM
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Post by: styx on November 05, 2016, 09:28:03 AM
Post by: WoodsDuck on November 05, 2016, 03:45:48 PM
soon enough we'll have SAKs with no Mac
. . . That's what she said?
Post by: jaya_man on November 05, 2016, 06:29:50 PM
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Post by: jalind on November 13, 2016, 02:41:22 AM
Seems like the latest episode wasn't even partly sponsored by Victorinox... didn't even notice it in the closing credits...
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Not surprising as there wasn't a SAK used. The credits reflect what Victorinox provided for the episode. Also not surprising was not seeing MacGyver using a SAK with undercover prison inmate plot. That would have been much too incredulous.
John
Post by: jalind on November 13, 2016, 02:49:56 AM
Didn't require quite as much disbelief suspension as some prior ones. There was one scene in which he uses it as a throwing knife to impale a hydraulic hose which would be all but impossible for anyone to accomplish under the surrounding circumstances. There are other aspects that use impossible technologies, but that's common practice on TV and in the cinema.
John
Post by: styx on November 13, 2016, 10:40:01 AM
Post by: sir_mike on November 13, 2016, 05:37:19 PM
Post by: jalind on November 13, 2016, 06:02:15 PM
Well, now we have seen Murdoc's first appearance in the show!
They're also creating a larger story arc regarding Nikki to span the individual episodes.
John
Post by: dks on November 13, 2016, 07:19:46 PM
I may watch some more, but the weather is too nice for sitting inside.
Post by: jalind on November 20, 2016, 02:37:39 AM
John
Post by: styx on November 20, 2016, 10:28:46 AM
Post by: jaya_man on November 20, 2016, 12:03:45 PM
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Post by: jalind on November 20, 2016, 12:24:37 PM
Why is it that angus and friends gets to keep their vests when embassy staff sacrificed theirs? :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
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They're the ones who went outside . . . the question I had: Why didn't the embassy staff didn't get them back afterward? Just use the SAK and cut the duct tape!
Post by: styx on November 20, 2016, 04:25:51 PM
Another thing is that even if your run of the mill cops can't help, there are counter terrorist units and in some cases special task units.
Post by: Ron Who on November 20, 2016, 05:11:02 PM
The thing is, I'm wearing camo so nobody notices.
Post by: jalind on November 21, 2016, 05:55:17 AM
What bugs me is since when can secret agents run in the open with a thigh holster and no one bats an eye? How do they even have justification with the local law enforcement if they don't coordinate in the first place?
Another thing is that even if your run of the mill cops can't help, there are counter terrorist units and in some cases special task units.
That's why suspension of disbelief is required. If it were completely realistic, there wouldn't be a plot or a show. If you've watched the Mission: Impossible film franchise, the Jason Bourne trilogy (from Ludlum's trilogy), or the James Bond franchise, the current MacGyver requires no more disbelief suspension than they do. Doesn't have any more "Movie Physics" either (possibly less). Some of it bugs me too, especially after a military career from which I know numerous aspects of it are completely bogus. If the BS Detector is successfully turned off I can get through the shows just fine.
John
Post by: styx on November 21, 2016, 06:37:57 PM
Post by: jalind on November 22, 2016, 10:07:39 AM
John
Post by: Everdying on November 23, 2016, 12:40:29 PM
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Post by: NorCalJim on January 21, 2017, 01:50:22 AM
I was late to find out about this series since I wasn't watching much TV that wasn't sports or news in the mid-80s. It wasn't until a family gathering where my little nephew was raving about a TV program he kept calling MaDriver that I asked around and was told it was a program about a guy who uses his wits and ingenuity to solve problems. I watched one program and was hooked.
My problem is that I will always associate Richard Dean Anderson with this role. Any recommendations whether to check it out or give it a pass?
Thanks!
Jim
Post by: MacGyver on January 21, 2017, 02:21:25 AM
A MacGyver reboot? Do you think devotees of the original series are likely to enjoy this new series?
I was late to find out about this series since I wasn't watching much TV that wasn't sports or news in the mid-80s. It wasn't until a family gathering where my little nephew was raving about a TV program he kept calling MaDriver that I asked around and was told it was a program about a guy who uses his wits and ingenuity to solve problems. I watched one program and was hooked.
My problem is that I will always associate Richard Dean Anderson with this role. Any recommendations whether to check it out or give it a pass?
Thanks!
Jim
I honestly tried to give this reboot a fair chance, suffered through the first 11 episodes... I really tried to find something to like, but after the last just had enough.
This is NOT and will NEVER be MacGyver, period. The only thing in common with the original is the name, and the fact the main character uses s sak (over-uses is more the term). It has almost nothing to do with the Macgyver spirit of the show and with who Macgyver was, his character, integrity and values. It just laks soul and meening.
This is just like watching CSI, NCIS, Criminal Minds, or Mission Impossible, or any of the same format. The only difference is that the main character uses a sak instead of a gun.
Maybe it will catch on with the newer audiences, but for me... naahh... I'd rather watch the whole 7 seasons of the original again for the 10th time or so... :D
And lastly... Mac will always be RDA! :salute:
I know i'm being quite harsh on this reboot, i tried hard to like it, honest.... Just had enough of it!
Post by: NorCalJim on January 21, 2017, 04:35:13 AM
A MacGyver reboot? Do you think devotees of the original series are likely to enjoy this new series?
I was late to find out about this series since I wasn't watching much TV that wasn't sports or news in the mid-80s. It wasn't until a family gathering where my little nephew was raving about a TV program he kept calling MaDriver that I asked around and was told it was a program about a guy who uses his wits and ingenuity to solve problems. I watched one program and was hooked.
My problem is that I will always associate Richard Dean Anderson with this role. Any recommendations whether to check it out or give it a pass?
Thanks!
Jim
I honestly tried to give this reboot a fair chance, suffered through the first 11 episodes... I really tried to find something to like, but after the last just had enough.
This is NOT and will NEVER be MacGyver, period. The only thing in common with the original is the name, and the fact the main character uses s sak (over-uses is more the term). It has almost nothing to do with the Macgyver spirit of the show and with who Macgyver was, his character, integrity and values. It just laks soul and meening.
This is just like watching CSI, NCIS, Criminal Minds, or Mission Impossible, or any of the same format. The only difference is that the main character uses a sak instead of a gun.
Maybe it will catch on with the newer audiences, but for me... naahh... I'd rather watch the whole 7 seasons of the original again for the 10th time or so... :D
And lastly... Mac will always be RDA! :salute:
I know i'm being quite harsh on this reboot, i tried hard to like it, honest.... Just had enough of it!
Many thanks for your opinion! I saw the trailer after encountering this thread and immediately couldn't identify with the main character. I agree that Mac = RDA
You answered my question about checking this out or passing on it when you said that it has nothing to do with the MacGyver spirit, his character, his integrity and his values. I'll pass!
Post by: rivercity on January 21, 2017, 08:41:00 AM
I honestly tried to give this reboot a fair chance, suffered through the first 11 episodes... I really tried to find something to like, but after the last just had enough.
This is NOT and will NEVER be MacGyver, period. The only thing in common with the original is the name, and the fact the main character uses s sak (over-uses is more the term). It has almost nothing to do with the Macgyver spirit of the show and with who Macgyver was, his character, integrity and values. It just laks soul and meening.
This is just like watching CSI, NCIS, Criminal Minds, or Mission Impossible, or any of the same format. The only difference is that the main character uses a sak instead of a gun.
Maybe it will catch on with the newer audiences, but for me... naahh... I'd rather watch the whole 7 seasons of the original again for the 10th time or so... :D
And lastly... Mac will always be RDA! :salute:
I know i'm being quite harsh on this reboot, i tried hard to like it, honest.... Just had enough of it!
I was a huge fan of the original, and had high hopes for this one. A lot of what you stated mirrors my views as well.
RDA is said to have gotten the role of Mac, after pausing to retrieve his glasses from his satchel at a casting call. Winkler is said to have seen this as a very human gesture.
Post by: styx on January 21, 2017, 01:59:23 PM
Post by: MacGyver on January 21, 2017, 04:05:58 PM
I honestly tried to give this reboot a fair chance, suffered through the first 11 episodes... I really tried to find something to like, but after the last just had enough.
This is NOT and will NEVER be MacGyver, period. The only thing in common with the original is the name, and the fact the main character uses s sak (over-uses is more the term). It has almost nothing to do with the Macgyver spirit of the show and with who Macgyver was, his character, integrity and values. It just laks soul and meening.
This is just like watching CSI, NCIS, Criminal Minds, or Mission Impossible, or any of the same format. The only difference is that the main character uses a sak instead of a gun.
Maybe it will catch on with the newer audiences, but for me... naahh... I'd rather watch the whole 7 seasons of the original again for the 10th time or so... :D
And lastly... Mac will always be RDA! :salute:
I know i'm being quite harsh on this reboot, i tried hard to like it, honest.... Just had enough of it!
I was a huge fan of the original, and had high hopes for this one. A lot of what you stated mirrors my views as well.
RDA is said to have gotten the role of Mac, after pausing to retrieve his glasses from his satchel at a casting call. Winkler is said to have seen this as a very human gesture.
Yes, i think that sums up most of RDA's personality, and the part of it he has put in the Macgyver character. He did a lot of those "pauses" on the show like when he forgot something or had an idea, and always in a very flowing and natural way.
Apart from everything else and the brilliant acting performance he has put in the character through out the show, what i think makes almost impossible to people and fans to associate Macgyver with any other actor is that Macgyver has a lot of RDA's personality in it, a lot of who he is as a person. The athletic, fitness, outdoor's activities, hockey playing, skying, car racing,envolvment in envoirementalist issues, animal issues, human right's issues Macgyver did and was envolved with on the show are all things that RDA has been and still is (to a degree) envolved with. It's also a big pair of shoes for any other actor to step in and try and do that job properly.
On a side note (just to lighten up the subject a bit ;))
If i had to sum up my all time favourit scene (or snapshot) in Macgyver, that got me hooked on that first episode and consequently to the rest of the show, this have to be it: :D
Post by: sir_mike on January 21, 2017, 07:40:25 PM
I watched the new show and do agree with alot of what is said but I do think the show has potential to be a decent show if they do some changes to it. IMO.
First of all part of the old MacGyver shows that I liked is that he had to look around to see what was available to use to get himself out of a situation where as the new show there is none of this, he just starts doing/using whatever he needs to get out of trouble like he already knows whats there around him. Second, the Jack guy has never been that tough of a guy like in the new show as he was always just getting Mac into trouble or situations so not sure about that. Maybe they should have added the tough guy persona to shadow/help Mac of assignments but also had a Jack that was his friend/buddy that just did things with him. IDK. Just a thought!
I always like the MacGyver vs Murdock episodes to see what kinda traps/contraptions Murdock uses so that will be interesting to see where that goes on the new show and hopefully they will use the Murdock character a few more times this season.
Anyway, time will tell as the show goes on to see what direction it goes in. To me it is okay but could be better if it was more taylored/made up like to the old show but obviously need to figure in technology now.
Post by: MacGyver on January 22, 2017, 01:48:46 PM
I always like the MacGyver vs Murdock episodes to see what kinda traps/contraptions Murdock uses so that will be interesting to see where that goes on the new show and hopefully they will use the Murdock character a few more times this season.
The episode when the new Murdoc made his appearance on the reboot, it was the only episode i kind of liked and got mildly excited about. Maybe it was the nostalgy of the character, but the actor playing the new Murdoc is very good IMHO, not as good as the original tho, but probably the best of all the other "new/old" character's on this reboot so far.
It only lacked the "Mac-gy-vaaaaa" at the end :rofl:
Post by: ToolJoe on January 22, 2017, 02:25:44 PM
Post by: NorCalJim on January 22, 2017, 07:45:51 PM
I think Mac would benefit from a Spirit. Also I tell people to put their brains away and enjoy the show for what it is. :whistle:
Probably good advice and a secret for enjoying this series...but it is hard for me to do since I came along in a pre-TV time when broadcast media meant radio and brains and imagination were needed.
OK, I'll stop and hop off the soap box. :)
I probably just need to admit that I am not pre-disposed to enjoy the new series and let it go at that...at least I can read through this thread for SAK info related to the new series and will most likely enjoy that!
Thanks for distilling and offering the key to enjoying the new series! I believe it is good advice.
Post by: Etherealicer on January 22, 2017, 08:06:37 PM
I think Mac would benefit from a Spirit. Also I tell people to put their brains away and enjoy the show for what it is. :whistle:I have way too much brain and there is not enough space to store it while watching that show... so, I started re-watching Burn Notice :D
Post by: Danjo on January 24, 2017, 09:07:31 AM
Post by: MacGyver on January 24, 2017, 09:37:14 AM
It's just not the same character. None of them are. They'd have done much better saying that this was his kid or something instead of trying to present him as the same guy. I've watched several episodes, but it's a no go for me. I'll stick with the original.
That's exactly my feelings too. They had a great opportunity to make a good and modern continuance of the show, and not just a lame attempt to franchise the name and make a non-believable rerun of the original altering the original characters personallities.
For those who watched and remember the original show's ending, Mac found out he had a son, Sam. He left Phoenix and head out on his motorcycle with Sam to "somewhere else..."
They could just pick it up where it was left and make the new character out of Sam Macgyver instead of Mac, he was an awful lot like his dad, so it would have been believable enough. Maybe this way they could have gotten RDA to make some appearances now and then. I bet they would have had one heck of a lot better audience than what they have... :-\
Post by: Danjo on January 24, 2017, 04:48:00 PM
It's just not the same character. None of them are. They'd have done much better saying that this was his kid or something instead of trying to present him as the same guy. I've watched several episodes, but it's a no go for me. I'll stick with the original.
That's exactly my feelings too. They had a great opportunity to make a good and modern continuance of the show, and not just a lame attempt to franchise the name and make a non-believable rerun of the original altering the original characters personallities.
For those who watched and remember the original show's ending, Mac found out he had a son, Sam. He left Phoenix and head out on his motorcycle with Sam to "somewhere else..."
They could just pick it up where it was left and make the new character out of Sam Macgyver instead of Mac, he was an awful lot like his dad, so it would have been believable enough. Maybe this way they could have gotten RDA to make some appearances now and then. I bet they would have had one heck of a lot better audience than what they have... :-\
Absolutely. There were several ways that they could have done this better and they chose none of them. I was thinking the same thing about the RDA appearances if they had merely done a "next generation" show. It could have brought old and new audiences together. The younger folk could have had their faster paced action show, and the rest of us could have occasionally enjoyed a visit from our old friend. Too bad.
The way they did it, was actually divisive. It makes one have to choose who they prefer. It's like a younger generation rejecting the older rather than uniting them via continuity. I dislike the new Hawaii Five-0 for the same reason. McGarrett will always be Jack Lord to me. Next thing they'll do is remake Columbo or Magnum P.I.
Post by: shibafu on January 26, 2017, 01:05:39 PM
The way they did it, was actually divisive. It makes one have to choose who they prefer. It's like a younger generation rejecting the older rather than uniting them via continuity. I dislike the new Hawaii Five-0 for the same reason. McGarrett will always be Jack Lord to me. Next thing they'll do is remake Columbo or Magnum P.I.
I never rated the original Hawaii Five-0 that highly, so I was open to the idea of a remake. But the one thing about the original show that was undeniable perfection was the theme tune, the greatest TV theme of all time. And for the remake they messed with it! If you take something that's perfect and mess with it, you're guaranteed to make it worse. So I can't get past the opening titles of the new version >:(
Columbo or Magnum PI remakes, I really hope not. Columbo without Peter Falk? Inconceivable!
It makes no sense to me that they keep remaking things that were great the first time round. Like Ghostbusters for example. How are you going to improve on the original? It would make more sense to remake things that were badly executed originally.
Post by: Danjo on January 26, 2017, 03:26:31 PM
I never rated the original Hawaii Five-0 that highly, so I was open to the idea of a remake. But the one thing about the original show that was undeniable perfection was the theme tune, the greatest TV theme of all time. And for the remake they messed with it! If you take something that's perfect and mess with it, you're guaranteed to make it worse. So I can't get past the opening titles of the new version >:(
Columbo or Magnum PI remakes, I really hope not. Columbo without Peter Falk? Inconceivable!
It makes no sense to me that they keep remaking things that were great the first time round. Like Ghostbusters for example. How are you going to improve on the original? It would make more sense to remake things that were badly executed originally.
I agree completely (except I liked the original Five-0). Spin-offs and continuations can and do work, but reboots rarely do unless the character existed in some other format first, i.e. novels like Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, James Bond, etc. and the new movies/TV shows are just reinterpretations of the original source material. When the original source, however, is a TV show that is so strongly identified with a particular actor (and a wildly successful show to boot), it's doomed to failure because the comparisons will never stop in the audience's minds. If the new MacGyver had been a son or something, then we wouldn't be screaming, "The Mac I know would never do that!" constantly. We'd simply say, "Well, he's different from his dad, but who isn't?" and enjoy the show if it was done well enough.
Post by: NorCalJim on January 26, 2017, 04:14:06 PM
I never rated the original Hawaii Five-0 that highly, so I was open to the idea of a remake. But the one thing about the original show that was undeniable perfection was the theme tune, the greatest TV theme of all time. And for the remake they messed with it! If you take something that's perfect and mess with it, you're guaranteed to make it worse. So I can't get past the opening titles of the new version >:(
Columbo or Magnum PI remakes, I really hope not. Columbo without Peter Falk? Inconceivable!
It makes no sense to me that they keep remaking things that were great the first time round. Like Ghostbusters for example. How are you going to improve on the original? It would make more sense to remake things that were badly executed originally.
I agree completely (except I liked the original Five-0). Spin-offs and continuations can and do work, but reboots rarely do unless the character existed in some other format first, i.e. novels like Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, James Bond, etc. and the new movies/TV shows are just reinterpretations of the original source material. When the original source, however, is a TV show that is so strongly identified with a particular actor (and a wildly successful show to boot), it's doomed to failure because the comparisons will never stop in the audience's minds. If the new MacGyver had been a son or something, then we wouldn't be screaming, "The Mac I know would never do that!" constantly. We'd simply say, "Well, he's different from his dad, but who isn't?" and enjoy the show if it was done well enough.
Some things were not meant to be repeated..."Book 'em Dano!"
Post by: sir_mike on February 12, 2017, 05:39:05 AM
Did I miss it or what? I didn't notice any mag glass used! I seen at the start when the inline philips was used and thought to myself "cool I think that is an Explorer" even before I noticed what the episode was called! LOL Since the Explorer is my fav, I was kinda excited to see how he used the mag but must have missed it!
I did get up a couple of times for only a minute or two so did I miss it???
Thx.
Post by: ToolJoe on February 12, 2017, 06:09:26 AM
Post by: Danjo on February 12, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
I might get sent to an island for this but I like the Five-o remake and have watched it from the beginning. It is another to file under turn you brain off to enjoy. And I was a fan of the original and grew up watching reruns. :whistle:
To each his own. I just wish they'd change the names. No reason this new guy couldn't have been Mac's son or something.
As to the SAK use, it all feels like it's for show in the new series. The original Mac used a bunch of different SAKs (17 identified) throughout the show's run. Of those identified, he used the Tinker (including the regular, small and super) 21 times, and the Spartan (including the Standard) 24 times. He wasn't showy about it. Half the time you couldn't tell what SAK it was, just a red handle with a blade. It was a tool, not a plot point. I almost get the idea that the producers of the new series are just winking at the audience every time he pulls one out.
Post by: Noa Isumi on February 12, 2017, 10:57:41 AM
??? Not sure how that works. SAK mag glass is awfully small, better suited to detail work like splinters and curcit inspection. Using one to inspect dust patterns on a dirty floor is awfully far fetched.
As for what type...its a magic climber that sprouts random tools from other models as needed.
Post by: MacGyver on February 12, 2017, 08:01:47 PM
I might get sent to an island for this but I like the Five-o remake and have watched it from the beginning. It is another to file under turn you brain off to enjoy. And I was a fan of the original and grew up watching reruns. :whistle:
To each his own. I just wish they'd change the names. No reason this new guy couldn't have been Mac's son or something.
As to the SAK use, it all feels like it's for show in the new series. The original Mac used a bunch of different SAKs (17 identified) throughout the show's run. Of those identified, he used the Tinker (including the regular, small and super) 21 times, and the Spartan (including the Standard) 24 times. He wasn't showy about it. Half the time you couldn't tell what SAK it was, just a red handle with a blade. It was a tool, not a plot point. I almost get the idea that the producers of the new series are just winking at the audience every time he pulls one out.
+1000
I couldn't have said it better myself. This new reboot is just a gloryfied show case for Victorinox sak's and all its versions and tools. Its not the spirit of what MacGyver was with the assistance on occasions of his trusty sak. On this one its more like the sak is the main character and Mac his trusty sidekick :rant:
I gave this up on ep.13 and that was way too late IMO.
That recent advertising for a Mercedes van with RDA is way more MacGyver than this reboot, and he uses a 3 layer Vic to cut a wire at the very end in a split second shot, and that's enough for what's needed.
The sak is just a tool to help him to achieve a solution to something his brain had thought of, not a magic entity that's going to solve all trouble for him!
Post by: Danjo on February 12, 2017, 08:14:10 PM
+1000
I couldn't have said it better myself. This new reboot is just a gloryfied show case for Victorinox sak's and all its versions and tools. Its not the spirit of what MacGyver was with the assistance on occasions of his trusty sak. On this one its more like the sak is the main character and Mac his trusty sidekick :rant:
I gave this up on ep.13 and that was way too late IMO.
That recent advertising for a Mercedes van with RDA is way more MacGyver than this reboot, and he uses a 3 layer Vic to cut a wire at the very end in a split second shot, and that's enough for what's needed.
The sak is just a tool to help him to achieve a solution to something his brain had thought of, not a magic entity that's going to solve all trouble for him!
Yep, that was a great advertisement! It was the real return of MacGyver.
Post by: TonySal on March 05, 2017, 07:57:41 PM
( money making )change...
Post by: ToolJoe on March 11, 2017, 04:11:55 PM
Post by: Danjo on March 11, 2017, 04:46:50 PM
Season 2 opener surprise...Mac upgrades to a Spirit :oYep, This new guy is just an extended commercial for Vic products.
Post by: El Corkscrew on March 11, 2017, 06:01:31 PM
Watching "magnifying glass" now actually. Look at the scene in the abandoned apartment its how he funds the dusty boot print.
??? Not sure how that works. SAK mag glass is awfully small, better suited to detail work like splinters and curcit inspection. Using one to inspect dust patterns on a dirty floor is awfully far fetched.
As for what type...its a magic climber that sprouts random tools from other models as needed.
:rofl: That's hilarious.
Post by: El Corkscrew on March 11, 2017, 06:04:28 PM
Post by: TonySal on March 11, 2017, 07:46:15 PM
Post by: styx on March 11, 2017, 09:35:34 PM
Post by: MacGyver on March 11, 2017, 10:49:42 PM
I think I'm only up to Episode7 Season 1 and I'm not feeling especially compelled to continue. Is ANYONE enjoying this show? Seriously, lemme know.
Mate, if you loved the Real MacGyver (or good series for that matter), don't bother...
I've endured up until Ep.12, wishing and hoping for it to get any better... but finally gave up... :-[
You are better off watching the original again IMO
Post by: styx on March 12, 2017, 12:34:41 PM
Post by: cali-SAK-attack on March 12, 2017, 12:52:33 PM
Post by: TonySal on September 29, 2017, 07:10:55 AM
Post by: KandiKlover on September 29, 2017, 11:59:58 AM
I made it to episode 4 ......... :td: :surrender:
Nice I didn't even make it past the youtube trailer.
Post by: MacGyver on September 29, 2017, 12:43:01 PM
Oh no! Mac is starting up again on CBS! According go my dumb google notification thing.
Whot...??? :o
They made a 2nd season of that pathetic MacGyver wannabe crap reboot? :bnghd: :crash: :rant: :twak:
Lord have mercy... :facepalm:
Post by: Barry Rowland on September 29, 2017, 12:56:37 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on September 29, 2017, 01:52:50 PM
Have you seen Batman Beyond, the animated show where an elder Bruce Wayne guides the young Batman through adventures? Great fun.
It's heartbreaking to see MacGyver's good name treated this way. So many wrong decisions. :facepalm:
Post by: NorCalJim on September 29, 2017, 04:20:35 PM
:climber:
Jim
Post by: VICMAN on September 29, 2017, 08:25:25 PM
The original series was much better,
Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 29, 2017, 09:16:03 PM
I've been rewatching the original on Hulu Plus lately. I'll be curious to see what the new one looks like. The trailer doesn't look too bad.
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Post by: El Corkscrew on September 30, 2017, 03:10:24 AM
I'd bet he'll be using different models throughout the series. Probably the tools that get the most screen time will be red celloid tools since thats the SAK look that most people are familiar with. Craftsman would be a good choice but it's not on the market anymore so he might carry a Handyman--besides, the public associates the corkscrew with the SAK. If Victorinox puts a little money on it, they may get some product placement (like we saw in the original). If not, the show might use a generic red pocket tool with no swiss cross.
I've been rewatching the original on Hulu Plus lately. I'll be curious to see what the new one looks like. The trailer doesn't look too bad.
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Super surprised they brought it back for a 2nd season. Watched the entire OG series a couple times over the past several months
Post by: MadPlumbarian on September 30, 2017, 03:42:21 AM
JR
Post by: Barry Rowland on October 01, 2017, 01:24:02 AM
Post by: El Corkscrew on October 01, 2017, 02:12:05 AM
I've seasons 1-4 and really enjoy them. Seasons 1-2 are probably my favorites. I don't think anyone who loves the original series is a fan of the new one. It has a cheap, almost bogus feel to it compared to the original.+1 :cheers:
Post by: MacGyver on October 01, 2017, 11:01:31 AM
Post by: NorCalJim on October 01, 2017, 05:22:13 PM
Jim
Post by: Etherealicer on October 02, 2017, 08:57:14 AM
OK, the majority opinion is that this series pales compared to the original. Does it have some entertainment value if you forget that it is trying to be a MacGyver reboot?The two are kinda hard to compare to me... loved the original when I was younger, now I cannot really stand it anymore as its so full of "bad chemistry".
Jim
The new one is worse though...
Post by: TonySal on March 03, 2019, 08:31:16 PM