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Title: old russian "multitool"
Post by: ausjulius on January 07, 2007, 06:26:47 PM
http://www.turpintyme.com/knife/
hi , a chap has emailed me with this,, hammer knife  thingy, its not realy   true multi tool, but this is  the soviets  crack at it , it was made sometime in the 1930s,
anyway ,  have a look, interesting,
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: J-sews on January 07, 2007, 06:55:41 PM
That is a fascinating piece of craftsmanship ausjulius, thanks for sharing it with us! Think of the time someone must have spent creating it........

Question: what do you suppose this tool is?
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 07, 2007, 08:35:43 PM
That looks lik ethe telecommunications tool we saw on some of the other tools!  The Russians must have been WAY more advanced than the Yanks!

:D

Def
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: J-sews on January 07, 2007, 09:10:34 PM
That is exactly what I was thinking! A 1930's version of the "mecto ynopa" we looked at a couple months ago.

Link: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,236.0.html
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 07, 2007, 09:27:59 PM
Few people know that the internet was alive and well in the early 30's in Russia.  The only problem was that no one had computers to access it!

Def
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Splat on January 08, 2007, 08:48:08 PM
I thought Al Gore was the father of the Internet?! Damnit, it's all lies, lies, lies!  ??? :D
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: J-sews on January 09, 2007, 02:02:34 AM
I thought Al Gore was the father of the Internet?! Damnit, it's all lies, lies, lies!  ??? :D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/roll.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/roll.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/roll.gif)

Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 09, 2007, 03:13:59 AM
The only thing Al Gore invented was Manbearpig...

(http://groovy.movingtonz.com/images/algore.jpg)

Def
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Ging on January 09, 2007, 09:50:59 PM
That is an interesting and beautiful looking tool.  It would be nice to see how that tool compared to a modern multi, both in to days world and its 'native' time.
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: NutSAK on January 10, 2007, 12:01:35 AM
The only thing Al Gore invented was Manbearpig...

(http://groovy.movingtonz.com/images/algore.jpg)

Def

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/roll.gif)

I'm working to spread Manbearpig awareness.
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: ausjulius on January 13, 2007, 09:26:13 PM
Few people know that the internet was alive and well in the early 30's in Russia.  The only problem was that no one had computers to access it!

Def

 :D :D :D :D :D "mecto ynopa"   :D :D :D :D :D :D
Место упора  , it would be written as "measto oupora"  measto is a place , and oupora is a emphasis.. so place of emphasis, or point of force,
this does look just like the tool that was on here some months ago, thats why i put it up here, ive never seen anythign quite like it,

in soviet russia you dont access the internet the internet access you !  ::) ::)  :D  :laugh: couldnt help that one :d..
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 14, 2007, 12:33:18 AM
I love Yakov Smirnoff's stuff!

Even funnier when typed with a Russian accent too! :D

Def
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: BIG-TARGET on June 03, 2008, 02:12:27 PM
THEORY:  At least, from the lion drawing, it may be a possible import from mMongolia/northern china.  or constructed on the russian side of the border(due to the cross-cultural influences of the time)
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: ducktapehero on June 03, 2008, 08:55:29 PM
The only thing Al Gore invented was Manbearpig...

According to this classic Snickers commercial he also invented pants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=litHPx4ge78
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: WhichDawg on June 05, 2008, 03:06:07 AM
I like that multitool! (the Russian one!) thanks for sharing it :cheers:
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Poncho65 on June 05, 2008, 04:10:21 AM
That's very nice looking MT thanks for sharing  ;)
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Teofilo on June 07, 2008, 03:12:01 PM
looks like bit holders to me
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: ausjulius on September 25, 2008, 02:41:36 AM
Hello folk,

i have recently found the origin of this tool , and it is not at all russian , and is rather  quite old, proably around 100 years old  or somewhat more.

It is italian, and specilicaly from the region of tuscany..

these style of  knife were popular starting from around 1800 for hunters,, and normaly this style of  etching was common,,
 this is a complexed exsample,,

the tool we all could not figuer out is so obvious,, it sia nipple wrench for a percussion  guns nipple, proably a shotgun ,

actualy these percussion guns were used in southern europe  untill 1900 or so.. as they were cheap to shoot.

the hammer is for   hitting a drift to move sites and for other work..

this tool is a common italian item for a hunters kit of the   19th centuary..

hope this helps..

there is 2 firms from russia that do to this day market a multitool...  however these are  modern items , hat are quite different than this,

Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: american lockpicker on September 25, 2008, 04:28:27 AM
"there is 2 firms from russia that do to this day market a multitool...  however these are  modern items , hat are quite different than this,"

Just out of curiosity are they made in Russia and can you show us pictures of them?
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: ausjulius on September 25, 2008, 03:27:09 PM
yes some are i suspect some  are now not always..

ill upload fotos later..

to tools from noks ,, there is about 4 different tools.. i think they were made for the owner of noks my saro or meta-k  which are both  firms producing steel products, saro makes a large range of knives,

there is another firm making  a funky  large multitool plier..


there is amny makers making combination tool knives, but these are still all mainly a knife.......

ii can post these products too, but they have no plier head on them ,

they  are like  a  folding hatchet spade tool , with  tools attacked and butterfly knife type tools with many tools in the handle.. ect ect.. only 2 frims have a plier multitool

Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 25, 2008, 07:30:21 PM
I'm looking forward to the photo's mate :)
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: ausjulius on September 26, 2008, 12:58:12 AM
hi ok , there is for plier  based tools..
 based tools,
saro ,  noks,  and kulinkovo pole

see in that order..
then there is ofcorse many many others than are  knif ebased tools,  knives with other tools on the , such as awls and saws and wire breakers and can openers, ect ect
first pic is
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: ausjulius on September 26, 2008, 12:59:05 AM
here is the nicks  sapper  in close up
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: ausjulius on September 26, 2008, 12:59:37 AM
and specs
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Anthony on September 26, 2008, 01:38:32 AM
Wow, awesome looking tools!

They look like something from an alternate universe...they are similar to a lot of western designs..but have subtle differences.
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Freudian Frog on September 26, 2008, 02:13:02 AM
Wow... I want some of those. :o
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 26, 2008, 02:28:59 AM
I like that bayonet style blade- debatable for functionality but looks really cool!  :D

Def
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: J-sews on September 26, 2008, 02:34:54 AM
I like that bayonet style blade- debatable for functionality but looks really cool!  :D

Def

You don't find a blood groove in a multitool blade to be a useful feature? ??? ??? ;)
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 26, 2008, 02:39:50 AM
(http://www.knifebargains.co.uk/acatalog/crkt_m16-13Z_carson_more.jpg)

It does seem somewhat reminiscent of the CRKT M-16.

Def
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Freudian Frog on September 26, 2008, 02:44:20 AM
I always wanted one of the sexier M16's in a spear point.
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 26, 2008, 02:46:31 AM
I have one of the original tantos... from back in the days before they started putting flippers on them.

Def
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Sea Monster on September 26, 2008, 10:28:13 AM
Quote
I have one of the original tantos... from back in the days before they started putting flippers on them.

And I'm sure you had to fight a bear with your bare hands and a broken leg to get it too.

You old geezer.
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: ausjulius on September 27, 2008, 11:31:53 PM
Wow, awesome looking tools!

They look like something from an alternate universe...they are similar to a lot of western designs..but have subtle differences.

haha indeed, yes the russian knife market revolved around another range of interest and customers..  so the products are a little different ,
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: ptolemy on December 08, 2008, 08:07:08 AM
and specs

thats a very nice one:)

i am going to try to find some information about it. since i was born in the old USSR, maybe my old pals can get me some information about it:)
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: J-sews on December 09, 2008, 02:46:01 AM
and specs

thats a very nice one:)

i am going to try to find some information about it. since i was born in the old USSR, maybe my old pals can get me some information about it:)

Looking forward to hearing what you find out ptolemy :)
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: ptolemy on December 10, 2008, 01:15:44 AM
my friend said that this version is for the military and shouldnt be as easy to find as the generic one made for the civilian use.

also it's considered 'cold weapon' as any knife live weapon.

he said he will look into it...we shall see what he comes up with...

some interesting names of the tools  there...

the on the right side (the one on top that has writing extended furthest right) translated it says something like: holder for the detonating cap.   interesting for sure :)
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: J-sews on December 10, 2008, 04:13:02 AM
Are you referring to this picture here ptolemy?



(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=576.0;attach=10496;image)
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: ptolemy on December 10, 2008, 07:45:47 AM
correct :)

i am not sure how to translate it property since i havent lived there for many years and it uses fairly specialize jargon
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: Leatherman123 on December 11, 2008, 02:42:51 AM
I would kill for that tool!
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: donvito on December 11, 2008, 09:01:22 AM
Are you referring to this picture here ptolemy?



(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=576.0;attach=10496;image)

Here's my try at translating the text (I'm fluent in Russian, reading and writing zzz long story)

Multifunctional knife-instrument "Vzmash-3" - fist and only "super tool" of Russian manufacture, developed as a sappers combat knife. This knife is also looked at as a survival and combat knife for special operations in urbanized terrain. Functions - Main blade, pliers with wire cutters, and detonator/wire crimper, wood saw, metal saw (back of wood saw), ruler, two flat head screwdrivers - small and large, philips driver, wire stripper, awl/reamer, can opener, probe (hard to translate and function is not described properly, the item described is the end of the pliers handle). This knife got it's "baptism of fire" in "Nord Ost" (the theater performance taken over by Chechen terrorist in Moscow in 2002 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord-Ost) in clearing explosive devices. Knife "Vzmash-3" is officially adopted for military use (the civilian version is called "Professional").

There is a wrench by the pliers head that is not described in the summary, but there is an line pointing to it the picture. Also the picture points and describes a spring, looks like the pliers are spring loaded. There is a thumb stud for one handed opening of the main blade, and what looks like a liner lock.

Some of the specs.
Fully extended 250.5mm
Folded 140mm
Main Blade length 110mm
Blade at maximum width 26.8mm
Blade thickness 3.7mm
Handle width (at mid line) 36.5mm
Handle thickness (at mid line) 27mm
Wood saw length 110mm
Metal saw length 97.5mm
Main Blade Hardness, HRC 56-58   
Main Blade - steel 95X18MShD
Title: Re: old russian "multitool"
Post by: ptolemy on December 11, 2008, 11:41:24 PM
my friend found a price for this, its $275 or so (its 7500 rubles, but due to the fluxtuation of rufle vs dollar it also fluxuates)

thats the price inside russia, i guess u have to add $20-25 for s/h and i have no idea regarding the laws of russia/your country regarding this knife. i am guessing my friend (if it can be gotten) might be willing to do me a favor/see what can be done about it, but after he mails it, it's on his own for the customs...