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Tool Talk => General Tool Discussion => Topic started by: J-sews on September 13, 2007, 01:28:50 AM
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(This is a running list, to be updated as new info is added to the thread below)
1983
Leatherman PST
1986
Leatherman Mini-Tool
1988
KutMaster MultiMaster
1991
SOG ToolClip
SOG Micro ToolClip
Gerber Multi-Plier
1992
SOG ParaTool
1994
Leatherman SuperTool
1996
Leatherman PSTII
Leatherman Micra
Bear MGC Bear Jaws
Buck BuckTool 360
Wenger SwissGrip
Swiss-Tech Micro-Tech
1997
Victorinox SwissTool
Kershaw Multi-Tool A100
Schrade Tough Tool ST1
1998
Leatherman SideClip
Leatherman Wave (original)
SOG PowerLock
Gerber Multi-Plier 600 (originally called Multi-Lock)
Gerber Multi-Lite
Buck MiniBuck 350
1999
Leatherman Flair
Leatherman Crunch
Gerber 400 Compact
Gerber 600 DET model
Victorinox AutoTool
Wenger PocketGrip
Spyderco SpydeRench
Schrade Tough Chip ST2
2000
Leatherman Pulse
SOG SwitchPlier
Gerber 800 Legend
Buck BuckTool 360FL and 360CL
2001
Leatherman SuperTool 200
Leatherman Juice series (C2, S2, KF4, CS4, XE6)
Gerber 600 Fisherman
Bear Locking Bear Jaws
Schrade i-Quip
Schrade NaviTool
Imperial Schrade TMT1
Meyerco Paradox
Vise-Grip 5WR Toolbox
2002
Leatherman Squirt series (P4 and S4)
Leatherman Juice Pro
Gerber 650 Evolution
Schrade Tough Grip ST6
Vise-Grip 6LC Toolbox
Imperial Schrade TMT2 snips
Buck Navigator
2003
Leatherman Squirt EL
Leatherman Juice SC2
Gerber 500 Recoil
Gerber Eclipse
Schrade Tough Tool ST5E
Kershaw National Geographic carabiner tool
2004
Leatherman Charge Ti & XTi
Leatherman Wave (New)
Leatherman Blast
Leatherman Fuse
Leatherman Kick
Gerber Solstice
Victorinox Spirit
Imperial Schrade TMT11
Swiss-Tech Micro-Pro
2005
Leatherman Core
Leatherman Surge
PowerPlay PT-510
PowerPlay PT-525
Gerber Diesel
Gerber Suspension
Gerber Shortcut
Gerber Clutch
Caspian Arms Pocketsmith
2006
Leatherman Hybrid and Vista
PowerPlay PT-540
Gerber Freehand
Buck X-Tract 730
Victorinox Spirit S
Spyderco Byrd Tool Harp
Loggerhead Immix 10X
2007
Leatherman Charge AL, ALX, and TTi
Leatherman Skeletool
Leatherman Skeletool CX
Leatherman Genus
Gerber Radius
Gerber Flik
Gerber Method, Crux, Resolve, Tread
SOG PowerLock 2.0
SOG PowerCut
Wenger NewRanger 70, 71, 172, 73, 74, 75
Wenger Alinghi 176, 177
Spyderco SpydeRench (reissued)
Spyderco ByrdRench
CRKT Zilla-Tool
CRKT Guppie
2008
Leatherman Wave, 25th Anniversary
Leatherman Silver Charge, 25th Anniversary
CRKT Zilla-Tool Jr
CRKT Li'l Guppie
CRKT Get-A-Way Driver
CRKT Lumabiner
Topeak Ratchet Rocket
Buck X-Tract LED 731
Buck X-Tract FIN 732
Gerber Artifact
Gerber Shard
Swiss-Tech Micro-Max
Swiss-Tech Transformer
Wenger NewRanger Touring 174
Leatherman Argentum luxury models
SOG PowerAssist
2009
Leatherman Damascus Wave
Leatherman red-white-blue Micra
Leatherman Freestyle
Leatherman Freestyle CX
Wenger Evogrip NewRangers
Wenger Mike Horn Knife
Gerber Crucial
Gerber Splice
Gerber Vise
Gerber Curve
Gerber Flik Fish
CRKT Cicada
Buck Essential
Leatherman Super Tool 300
Victorinox Spirit X
ToolLogic SL Plier
AR Multitasker
2010
Leatherman MUT
Leatherman Squirt PS4
Leatherman Squirt ES4
Leatherman Style CS
CRKT Flux
Gerber Grappler
Gerber Strata
Gerber Octane
SOG Micro ToolClip
2011
Gerber Bear Grylls tools
Gerber Crucial F.A.S.T.
Gerber Fit
Gerber Balance
Gerber Cable Dawg
Leatherman Sidekick
Leatherman Wingman
Leatherman Style PS
ToolLogic Micro ToolClip
2012
Gerber Dime
Gerber MP600ST sight tool
Gerber Groundbreaker
Gerber Steady
Gerber Balance
Leatherman Rebar
Leatherman OHT
SOG PowerDuo
SOG Blacktip
CRKT Tool
2013
Leatherman NEW Surge
Leatherman Raptor
Leatherman Skeletool SX
Gerber Bullrush
Gerber MP1
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Hey Bob, or anyone else for that matter. Can we put together a comprehensive multitool timeline? Like what time a tool what released? I am not talking pre-leatherman, not yet (heavens no) but from PST to now. I think I remember that the Paratool was SOG's first tool and it was the second tool on the market (next to Leatherman's PST). I think a time line would be great for a sticky and maybe for the main site to show people how things progressed as things got moving. Any ideas?
David
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I like this idea! Would give a nice insight into how they have progressed and changed over the years. But also how companies reacted to other bringing out new products and how they tried to increase their market share.
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Wow that's a good idea...but who wil be the brave one to do that ?
I wouldn't know where to start...
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This page should be of some use to this http://www.leatherman.com/about-leatherman/history/default.asp
Leatherman
1983 - PST
1986 - Mini tool
1994 - Supertool
1996 - Micra
1998 - Wave (Original)
2001 - Juice series
2004 - Charge Series (New Wave?)
Gerber http://www.gerbergear.com/history.php
1991 - Multiplier
2003 - Recoil Auto Plier
Thats my bit done! Although i will try and find out more.
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Hey Bob, or anyone else for that matter. Can we put together a comprehensive multitool timeline? Like what time a tool what released? I am not talking pre-leatherman, not yet (heavens no) but from PST to now. I think I remember that the Paratool was SOG's first tool and it was the second tool on the market (next to Leatherman's PST). I think a time line would be great for a sticky and maybe for the main site to show people how things progressed as things got moving. Any ideas?
David
If I recall correctly, the ToolClip was actually SOG's first tool. And the Paratool was SOG's first US-made tool. I'll look for more dates later but here are a few dates for Leatherman:
PST 1983-2004
Mini 1986-2004
SuperTool 1994-2001
PST II 1996-2004
Micra 1996-present
SideClip 1998-2004
Wave (original) 1998-2004
Flair 1999-2004
Crunch 1999-present
Pulse 2000-2004
Juice KF4 2001-2005
SuperTool 200 2001-2005
Juice C2 2001-present
Juice CS4 2001-present
Juice S2 2001-present
Juice XE6 2001-present
Juice PRO 2002- 2003
Squirt P4 2002-present
Squirt S4 2002-present
Juice SC2 2003-present
Squirt EL 2003-present
Charge Ti & XTi 2004-2007
Blast 2004-present
Fuse 2004-present
Kick 2004-present
Wave (new) 2004-present
Core 2005-present
Surge 2005-present
Charge AL & ALX 2007-present
Charge TTi 2007-present
Is it possible to upload an excel file? It's not listed in the allowed file types.
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Good info there, the only ones i see missing are the pruner tools (Hybrid etc)
Another good thing to add into the mix would be what each tool has in it, but that might get a bit complicated.
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This time line idea's really starting to come together well already :)
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And by time line I dont mean, one for leatherman, one for sog, etc. But one that is interwoven so people can see what product came out at the same time, kind of like a which came first thing (chicken or the egg).
David
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Great idea Dave! No wonder you get paid the big bucks! ;) ;D
Hey, I put a "master time-line list" up at the beginning of this thread. I included all the info I had close at hand. As we get more and updated info, it can be added to the master list. That way it will always be on top and easy to find.
(Please scan through the list and look for errors. This is just a bunch of notes I had here and there. I can't swear that it is all rock solid info.)
Also, note that there are still a bunch of significant tools not listed. For instance:
Buck 355 and 350
Gerber 600 and 700
SOG PP and PPP
Schrade Tough Tool ST1 and Tough Chip ST2
Bob
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here are a few more:
Schrade:
ST1 1997-2004
ST2 1999-2002
ST5 2003-2003
ST6 2002-2003
TMT1 2001-2004
TMT2 2002-2002
TMT11 2004-2004
Buck:
360 1996-2002?
360BK 2000?-2002?
360FL 2000-2002?
360CM 2000-2002?
360WM 2000?-2002?
Harley Davidson BuckTool 360 2000?-2002?
Buck X-tract LED 2007-present
Note: I think some of those BuckTool 360 models were introduced in late 2000, and possibly even early 2001.
SOG:
Micro ToolClip 1991-?
ParaTool 1992-present
PowerLock 1998-present
PowerPlier 1996? or 1997? -?
Pocket PowerPlier... just pulling this one out of thin air but maybe 1996? or 1997?
SwitchPlier 2000-?
ToolClip 1991-?
CrossGrip ?-present
CrossCut ?-present
PowerLock 2.0 2007-present
PowerAssist 2007-present
PowerCut 2007-present
Note: I sent "Chris@SOG" a PM to see if he could help fill in the blanks (and/or correct my mistakes).
Suggested corrections:
I think the Schrade ST6 was from 2002 rather than 2001.
2002 is still missing the Juice Pro and 2003 is still missing Juice SC2 and 2007 is missing the new version of the Spyderco SpydeRench.
It would be nice to fill in some of the discontinue dates also.
I couldn't upload an Excel file but if anyone wants one, email me and I'll send it to you. Here's a PDF file:
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List updated. Thanks!
Interesting to note how the number of new entries gets larger with each passing year. That's good for us! (But bad for our wallets) :-\
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Cool thread, thanks for doing the work J-sews! I didn't ever know about the Juice sc2 until I saw it on the list. I was kind of surprised, as it's not on the LM website. I guess the Pro isn't either though. I wonder why ??? Oh well. One question I had though, I found this site that claims the sc2 was introduced in 2001. Are they confused?
http://www.smartknives.com/Leatherman-Multi-Tools/Leatherman-Juice-SC2.htm
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Cool thread, thanks for doing the work J-sews!
Actually, with DavidBinGA hatching the idea and Supratentorial and the other fellows supplying the dates, all I did was the easy stuff! ;D
I didn't ever know about the Juice sc2 until I saw it on the list. I was kind of surprised, as it's not on the LM website. I guess the Pro isn't either though. I wonder why ??? Oh well. One question I had though, I found this site that claims the sc2 was introduced in 2001. Are they confused?
http://www.smartknives.com/Leatherman-Multi-Tools/Leatherman-Juice-SC2.htm
The SC2 was somewhat of an odd duck. It was not one of the original 2001 Juice models as the other website claims, but instead came out two years later. I've been told it originated with a large special-order from Sam's Club, hence the "SC" prefix.
Other oddities:
- According to Fred's Da Jucie Code (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,274.0.html), the tool should have really been named the SC3, as it has three external functions, not two.
- It is the only tool in the Juice line-up whereby the knife blade and the scissors pivot from the opposite end as the pliers. The corkscrew is flip-flopped as well.
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I knew you'd have the answers ;D So the SC2 was for sams club. Was the pro also for them?
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I knew you'd have the answers ;D So the SC2 was for sams club. Was the pro also for them?
The Juice Pro was reportedly made as a big special order for Costco. It packs in a lot of functions, but is almost uncarryably fat as a result. (I still like it though) :)
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Sams Club, Costco, there almost the same, right? Anway, the Pro never apealed to me at all. I don't get the huge small tool thing I guess. :D Oh well, I'm done derailing this great thread now.
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Added a few more, including the Spyderco Byrd Harp (2006) and the Leatherman Skeletool and Genus. Also put the whole list on the Tool Wiki so it would be easier to find and update down the road: https://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=Multitool+Timeline
Anybody see any tools we are missing??
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Gerber Legend 700
Gerber MP600 (there is the DET and Fisherman models but not the bog standard one!)
There the only two i can't see on the list.
Roadie
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Gerber Legend 700
Gerber MP600 (there is the DET and Fisherman models but not the bog standard one!)
There the only two i can't see on the list.
Roadie
The problem is I'm not sure when those two were introduced. ??? This being a reference-type thread, I hate to just put down my best guess. Anyone out there know for certain about these two?
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Welcome back Doug- I hope your health problems aren't too serious? Been wondering where you were!
We are going to try and include as many manufacturers as possible, including the Chinese ones if we can made head or tails out of anything that comes from there.
Def
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Man this list is going to get complicated.....maybe we can seperate american companies and foriegn?
David
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Hi Bob ,
Just popped in for a quick visit . I have had a series of health concrns of late . When looking at your time line I found myself wondering if you had something against the Utica Toolmaster and the rest of thier line ?
Howdy Doug, hope you are on the road to recovery!
I've got nothing against any models not currently on the list, I'm just uncertain of their introduction date. Again, given that this is to be a reference source, I hate to simply guess.
So it appears that we are developing a second list...a list of major tools with unknown introduction dates:
Gerber 600 Multi-Plier
Gerber 700 Urban Legend
Kutmaster MultiMaster
BuckTool 350
BuckTool 355
SOG Power Plier
SOG Pocket Power Plier
SOG Crosscut
SOG Crossgrip
Any more for this list? Any ideas on how to get them dated correctly?
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Referencing this (http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88057&highlight=Buck+Tool) page it looks like the Buck350 came out in 1998.
What about the Gerber Multi-Lite? The earliest review I found was from 7/1998.
Earliest for the Paradox was 10/2001.
I've got some forums I can post questions on so I may have some more information.
I seem to remember Bear jaws having something in thier line that was not " tooly " enough to be of great interest to me though they listed it with thier other multis for a time . I do not recall the name of that one .
Was it this? Link (http://www.equipped.org/pp/pic431.htm)
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I am glad to see this project being undertaken , I hope that when finished it will be archived somewhere for easy access
I don't think we will ever see it finished, but it will certainly be archived!
http://multitool.org/wiki/tiki-index.php
Def
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I posted a question about the BuckTools over on a Buck moderated forum, we'll see what answers we get!
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Referencing this (http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88057&highlight=Buck+Tool) page it looks like the Buck350 came out in 1998.
What about the Gerber Multi-Lite? The earliest review I found was from 7/1998.
Earliest for the Paradox was 10/2001.
I've got some forums I can post questions on so I may have some more information.
I seem to remember Bear jaws having something in thier line that was not " tooly " enough to be of great interest to me though they listed it with thier other multis for a time . I do not recall the name of that one .
Was it this? Link (http://www.equipped.org/pp/pic431.htm)
Great job of sleuthing Spoon!
Lists have been updated. Hoping for more info. :)
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Lists have been updated. Hoping for more info.
Specifically, we need intro dates for the following:
Gerber 600 Multi-Plier
Gerber 700 Urban Legend
Kutmaster MultiMaster
BuckTool 355
SOG Power Plier
SOG Pocket Power Plier
SOG Crosscut
SOG Crossgrip
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The only answer I've gotten so far about the Buck 355 is that someone thought it came out the same year as the 350...
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The list in the very first post has been updated. I added the Kutmaster tool in 1988, as well as the 25th anniversary Leatherman tools in 2008.
Any more?
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Also you have the Spyderco Spyerench listed as 2007 , is'nt this pretty much of a reissue ? It's original introduction was as you noted in 1999 .
I agree. 2007 listing has been removed.
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Perhaps we should keep the 2007 listing and just mark it as a reissue? Technically they were discontinued and re-introduced, which seems like a fairly valuable piece of info for the collector.
Def
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Perhaps we should keep the 2007 listing and just mark it as a reissue? Technically they were discontinued and re-introduced, which seems like a fairly valuable piece of info for the collector.
Def
...a better idea yet. 2007 SpydeRench is back in, marked (reissue)
I notice that you listed the Buck navigator in 2001 , but it was not offically presented ( and then never offically introduced or released to the public , I believe that should be added as a footnote to that listing ) until the 2002 SHOT show.
Good lord, how did I screw that up? :P
Navigator is now listed in 2002
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How about the Loggerhead Immix 20x, was'nt that 2006 ?
Are special issues such as the Lady Leatherman , Australian issue leathermans or the leatherman pro to be considered/listed ?
Loggerhead 10X added in 2006 thanks!
Leatherman Juice Pro is already listed in 2002.
I don't know when the others were introduced? ???
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Did we ever get around to putting this on the Multitool Encyclopedia? (http://multitool.org/wiki/tiki-index.php) This seems like exactly the kind of thing we should have posted there...
Def
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Did we ever get around to putting this on the Multitool Encyclopedia? (http://multitool.org/wiki/tiki-index.php) This seems like exactly the kind of thing we should have posted there...
Def
Y'know by golly, I think we did: https://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=Multitool+Timeline :D
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(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/excellent.jpg)
Def
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(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/excellent.jpg)
Def
Hey Def,
You have had a makeover ! I like the improved look !
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Just added these two to the list, both Here (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,2281.0.html) and at the Encyclopedia (https://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=Multitool+Timeline).
Swiss-Tech Micro-Tech, introduced 1996
(http://www.swisstechtools.com/images/products/6-in-1_open.gif)
Swiss-Tech Micro-Pro, introduced 2004
(http://www.swisstechtools.com/images/products/MPro-11-in-1.gif)
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New Columbia River tools added to the list, both places.
CRKT Zilla-Tool Jr
CRKT Li'l Guppie
CRKT Get-A-Way Driver
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How about the topeak ratchet rocket I found the other day . Thats new for 2008 .
Ratchet Rocket added!
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2008 (I think) Wenger New Ranger Touring 174
How about dates for the first SAKs.
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2008 (I think) Wenger New Ranger Touring 174
How about dates for the first SAKs.
Added the Wenger 174 thanks! :)
But those first SAK dates...seem like they belong in a SAK-only time line. :-\
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How did I miss this after all this time or did it just get stickied in the last while ??? Very interesting thread though :D
I would like to helpl but all the tools I know about are already on the list ::) ;) :D Very good comprehensive list guys :salute: :D
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Yeah, this one only got stickied up a week ago or so. :)
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Yeah, this one only got stickied up a week ago or so. :)
You're meant to say it's always been here to make Poncho think that he hasn't been paying enough attention. :D
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Yeah, this one only got stickied up a week ago or so. :)
You're meant to say it's always been here to make Poncho think that he hasn't been paying enough attention. :D
Yah, what he said! :D
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Yah, what he said! :D
:D :D :D
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:-[ Thought I had lost what mind I have left ::) :D
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I'm surprised at how early the Swisstool is - 97!
I guess I didn't really get into Brand Name multis in a big way until Leatherman released their new line in ought-four.
Anyway,
Interesting that the Swisstool, probably a direct competitor to the LM Supertool hit the market, then after than LM hit back with their Juice/Squirts to take on the smaller, soft-curved tool carrying market, then Vic scaled back with their Spirit to take the Juices (and waves?) on directly!
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1999 LM Flair + Vic AutoTool released , must have been some Industrial designers & Project leaders looking for new jobs in 99 :D. Maybe Gerbil I mean Gerber hired them & the seeds of the Suspension were sowed :D
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1999 LM Flair + Vic AutoTool released , must have been some Industrial designers & Project leaders looking for new jobs in 99 :D. Maybe Gerbil I mean Gerber hired them & the seeds of the Suspension were sowed :D
Hehe, interesting theory, probably true! :D
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Maybe Gerbil I mean Gerber hired them & the seeds of the Suspension were sowed Grin
:D :D :D
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Any chance of seeing Atwoods on this timeline? ::)
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Any chance of seeing Atwoods on this timeline? ::)
I've got nothing against Atwoods. (other than their price) I just don't know anything about them :(
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Any chance of seeing Atwoods on this timeline? ::)
I've got nothing against Atwoods. (other than their price) I just don't know anything about them :(
I meant it as a joke, one guy making a few here and there whenever he has the time would be very challenging for a timeline.
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Any chance of seeing Atwoods on this timeline? ::)
I've got nothing against Atwoods. (other than their price) I just don't know anything about them :(
I meant it as a joke, one guy making a few here and there whenever he has the time would be very challenging for a timeline.
Ahh, I see! :D
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Hey Bob are you gonna count the Skeletool CX as a variation of the Skeletool or does it need to be there
Unless it's there and I just can't read ::) :D
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Hey Bob are you gonna count the Skeletool CX as a variation of the Skeletool or does it need to be there
Unless it's there and I just can't read ::) :D
Whaddaya mean Poncho, the CX is there........
....now. :D
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Can't wait to see what 2009 will look like in the first post. Waiting for something special from our Swiss elves, and the rest of the industry.
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Hey Bob are you gonna count the Skeletool CX as a variation of the Skeletool or does it need to be there
Unless it's there and I just can't read ::) :D
Whaddaya mean Poncho, the CX is there........
....now. :D
:D
Yeah I can't wait till 09 :ahhh and what new tools are gonna come out :o :D
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:D
Yeah I can't wait till 09 :ahhh and what new tools are gonna come out :o :D
Me too!
Although I would like to see the rest of the '08 tools become available too..... :pok: ::)
(Leatherman Freestye, Gerber Ripstop & Evo, ToolLogic SL Plier, and SOG PowerCut)
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I still wouldnt hold my breath on the freesyle, and just what we need more watered down Gerber stuff.
Wow I hate everything tonight.
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the world is too full of hate nowadays.
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:D
Yeah I can't wait till 09 :ahhh and what new tools are gonna come out :o :D
Me too!
Although I would like to see the rest of the '08 tools become available too..... :pok: ::)
(Leatherman Freestye, Gerber Ripstop & Evo, ToolLogic SL Plier, and SOG PowerCut)
Very true :think: Wonder why these tools aren't out yet ??? Seems like they would want them out so ppl could buy them :( Of course as with the Freestyle ppl will most likely buy the Skeletool over it right now because it isn't available
They may never bring it out now since the Skeletool is selling so well (we may never know) :ahhh :D
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Yeah I can't wait till 09 :ahhh and what new tools are gonna come out :o :D
Me too!
Although I would like to see the rest of the '08 tools become available too..... :pok: ::)
(Leatherman Freestye, Gerber Ripstop & Evo, ToolLogic SL Plier, and SOG PowerCut)
Very true :think: Wonder why these tools aren't out yet ??? Seems like they would want them out so ppl could buy them :( Of course as with the Freestyle ppl will most likely buy the Skeletool over it right now because it isn't available
They may never bring it out now since the Skeletool is selling so well (we may never know) :ahhh :D
Well we know why the Freestyle wasn't out yet now :D
The rest of the stuff I know nothing about though :ahhh :D
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Timeline in the first post of this thread has been updated to include 2009 offerings;
2009
Leatherman Damascus Wave
Leatherman Freestyle
Wenger Evogrip NewRangers
Gerber Crucial
Gerber Splice
Gerber Vise
Gerber Curve
Gerber Flik Fish
CRKT Cicada
Buck Essential
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I can't wait to see LM's "new tool"! :multi:
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I can't wait to see LM's "new tool"! :multi:
Yeah wonder when they will reveal it :think:
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erh.....I think we can remove the SOG Powercut from the list
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erh.....I think we can remove the SOG Powercut from the list
Yah, I think you're right Medic :cry:
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I can't wait to see LM's "new tool"! :multi:
Yeah wonder when they will reveal it :think:
Well that's 1 is solved as well now 2 :D the SuperTool 300 looks so sweet :drool: Must have 1 before long :ahhh :D
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ooh my sideclips from the year they came out :tu:
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I like checking out the codes as well. :D
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good list, will there be any specs on what country makes it? also, I think this is a good start to a complete collector list that could still be aquired (maybe)
great work......
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I think the Micro ToolClip should be moved to 2011. Also, we need to add the new Gerbers.
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Hmmm :think: I'm thinking the Micro ToolClip should stay in 2010, as that is when they were announced (January) and when the first ones shipped (December)
We could put the ToolLogic Micro ToolClips in 2011 though! :D
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What would be REALLY cool ::) ::) :D :D would be including the products production run time , that is the year they stopped being made :think: :think: :D
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What would be REALLY cool ::) ::) :D :D would be including the products production run time , that is the year they stopped being made :think: :think: :D
...along with a picture of each tool! :tu: Now wouldn't THAT be cool?! 8)
Now all we need is a volunteer :) :o :ahhh
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hi, in the OP is the Leatherman Rebar missing? (sorry if someone else asked the same question before). When was the Rebar released?
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hi, in the OP is the Leatherman Rebar missing? (sorry if someone else asked the same question before). When was the Rebar released?
Technically, the Rebar was first shipped to pre-ordered and BIN orders a couple days/a week ago. :)
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Thanks for the reminder Kreisler! :tu: Updated 2012 offerings in the original thread post, as well as a copy below: :salute:
(This is a running list, to be updated as new info is added to the thread below)
1983
Leatherman PST
1986
Leatherman Mini-Tool
1988
KutMaster MultiMaster
1991
SOG ToolClip
SOG Micro ToolClip
Gerber Multi-Plier
1992
SOG ParaTool
1994
Leatherman SuperTool
1996
Leatherman PSTII
Leatherman Micra
Bear MGC Bear Jaws
Buck BuckTool 360
Wenger SwissGrip
Swiss-Tech Micro-Tech
1997
Victorinox SwissTool
Kershaw Multi-Tool A100
Schrade Tough Tool ST1
1998
Leatherman SideClip
Leatherman Wave (original)
SOG PowerLock
Gerber Multi-Plier 600 (originally called Multi-Lock)
Gerber Multi-Lite
Buck MiniBuck 350
1999
Leatherman Flair
Leatherman Crunch
Gerber 400 Compact
Gerber 600 DET model
Victorinox AutoTool
Wenger PocketGrip
Spyderco SpydeRench
Schrade Tough Chip ST2
2000
Leatherman Pulse
SOG SwitchPlier
Gerber 800 Legend
Buck BuckTool 360FL and 360CL
2001
Leatherman SuperTool 200
Leatherman Juice series (C2, S2, KF4, CS4, XE6)
Gerber 600 Fisherman
Bear Locking Bear Jaws
Schrade i-Quip
Schrade NaviTool
Imperial Schrade TMT1
Meyerco Paradox
Vise-Grip 5WR Toolbox
2002
Leatherman Squirt series (P4 and S4)
Leatherman Juice Pro
Gerber 650 Evolution
Schrade Tough Grip ST6
Vise-Grip 6LC Toolbox
Imperial Schrade TMT2 snips
Buck Navigator
2003
Leatherman Squirt EL
Leatherman Juice SC2
Gerber 500 Recoil
Gerber Eclipse
Schrade Tough Tool ST5E
Kershaw National Geographic carabiner tool
2004
Leatherman Charge Ti & XTi
Leatherman Wave (New)
Leatherman Blast
Leatherman Fuse
Leatherman Kick
Gerber Solstice
Victorinox Spirit
Imperial Schrade TMT11
Swiss-Tech Micro-Pro
2005
Leatherman Core
Leatherman Surge
PowerPlay PT-510
PowerPlay PT-525
Gerber Diesel
Gerber Suspension
Gerber Shortcut
Gerber Clutch
Caspian Arms Pocketsmith
2006
Leatherman Hybrid and Vista
PowerPlay PT-540
Gerber Freehand
Buck X-Tract 730
Victorinox Spirit S
Spyderco Byrd Tool Harp
Loggerhead Immix 10X
2007
Leatherman Charge AL, ALX, and TTi
Leatherman Skeletool
Leatherman Skeletool CX
Leatherman Genus
Gerber Radius
Gerber Flik
Gerber Method, Crux, Resolve, Tread
SOG PowerLock 2.0
SOG PowerCut
Wenger NewRanger 70, 71, 172, 73, 74, 75
Wenger Alinghi 176, 177
Spyderco SpydeRench (reissued)
Spyderco ByrdRench
CRKT Zilla-Tool
CRKT Guppie
2008
Leatherman Wave, 25th Anniversary
Leatherman Silver Charge, 25th Anniversary
CRKT Zilla-Tool Jr
CRKT Li'l Guppie
CRKT Get-A-Way Driver
CRKT Lumabiner
Topeak Ratchet Rocket
Buck X-Tract LED 731
Buck X-Tract FIN 732
Gerber Artifact
Gerber Shard
Swiss-Tech Micro-Max
Swiss-Tech Transformer
Wenger NewRanger Touring 174
Leatherman Argentum luxury models
SOG PowerAssist
2009
Leatherman Damascus Wave
Leatherman red-white-blue Micra
Leatherman Freestyle
Leatherman Freestyle CX
Wenger Evogrip NewRangers
Wenger Mike Horn Knife
Gerber Crucial
Gerber Splice
Gerber Vise
Gerber Curve
Gerber Flik Fish
CRKT Cicada
Buck Essential
Leatherman Super Tool 300
Victorinox Spirit X
ToolLogic SL Plier
AR Multitasker
2010
Leatherman MUT
Leatherman Squirt PS4
Leatherman Squirt ES4
Leatherman Style CS
CRKT Flux
Gerber Grappler
Gerber Strata
Gerber Octane
SOG Micro ToolClip
2011
Gerber Bear Grylls tools
Gerber Crucial F.A.S.T.
Gerber Fit
Gerber Balance
Leatherman Sidekick
Leatherman Wingman
Leatherman Style PS
ToolLogic Micro ToolClip
Gerber Cable Dawg
2012
Gerber Dime
Gerber MP600ST sight tool
Gerber Groundbreaker
Gerber Steady
Gerber Balance
Leatherman Rebar
Leatherman OHT
SOG PowerDuo
CRKT Tool
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Also, wasn't the Gerber Cable Dawg released last year or so?
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Also, wasn't the Gerber Cable Dawg released last year or so?
Dang, how'd I forget that one? :P Fixed, both in the quoted list above and on the first page. Thanks Rex! :salute:
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Yer gettin rusty Bob!
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Yer gettin rusty Bob!
Quick, someone give me a shot of WD40! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/smileys/2upyblc.gif)
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Yer gettin rusty Bob!
Quick, someone give me a shot of WD40! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/smileys/2upyblc.gif)
We need a 3 in 1 drip over here, STAT!!
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I can't believe I've only just seen this after all these years :think: can't see the sog ppp :tu:
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Gerber MPT?
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Great Information I really want to know about this and appreciate your post. Thanks for sharing with us.
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I can't believe I've only just seen this after all these years :think: can't see the sog ppp :tu:
Gerber MPT?
As you gents have rightly pointed out, we've got a few gaping holes in our timeline. The SOG Powerplier and Pocket Powerplier, as well as the Gerber MPT, are all missing from the list for the simple reason that we don't know exactly when they were first introduced. :( We know all three came out sometime in the mid-1990's, but the exact year is uncertain. :think:
Heh heh, funny story, but last year at the Shot Show I thought we were finally going to solve one of the mysteries. I was browsing around one of the manufacturer's booths - can't recall exactly which one - alongside a gentlemen I had never met before. It was obvious that we were both interested in the new multitools, so we struck up a conversation. Turns out this was the guy - THE ACTUAL GUY! :o - who is credited with inventing the Gerber sliding pliers mechanism!
Whew what a rush! :ahhh
He only had time for a couple of stories, about the early days when it was just the old Gerber Multi-Plier going head-to-head against the Leatherman PST, and boy were they some fascinating stories! But ahh, we'll save those for another thread. ;) So anyhow, at some point I did ask him about introduction dates, which have always been a little unclear for the Gerber tools, including the MPT, but unfortunately it seems there were no good records kept of when the various Gerber tools came out. :( He remembered it was in the mid-90's for the MPT, but we already knew that. So anyhow, best I can do is keep watching for old Gerber sales brochures and literature to show up on eBay and try to gather up what data I can from them. :salute:
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How about having a look at the wayback machine (web.archive.org)? For example, the '99 version of the MP600 page mentions it was introduced in 1997. :think:
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A timeline.?? Wonder where they got a great idea like that.. ::) :pok:
(Posted on FB)
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I think we even have one of those on the wiki. :think:
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i like leatherman :climber: so much!
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Great threat!!
-AdmSlc
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2013 Leatherman Surge (New)
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Got it, thanks Lam.Kampfer! :salute:
First post has been updated to include new 2013 plier tools. Please let us know if any were missed. :)
(This is a running list, to be updated as new info is added to the thread below)
1983
Leatherman PST
1986
Leatherman Mini-Tool
1988
KutMaster MultiMaster
1991
SOG ToolClip
SOG Micro ToolClip
Gerber Multi-Plier
1992
SOG ParaTool
1994
Leatherman SuperTool
1996
Leatherman PSTII
Leatherman Micra
Bear MGC Bear Jaws
Buck BuckTool 360
Wenger SwissGrip
Swiss-Tech Micro-Tech
1997
Victorinox SwissTool
Kershaw Multi-Tool A100
Schrade Tough Tool ST1
1998
Leatherman SideClip
Leatherman Wave (original)
SOG PowerLock
Gerber Multi-Plier 600 (originally called Multi-Lock)
Gerber Multi-Lite
Buck MiniBuck 350
1999
Leatherman Flair
Leatherman Crunch
Gerber 400 Compact
Gerber 600 DET model
Victorinox AutoTool
Wenger PocketGrip
Spyderco SpydeRench
Schrade Tough Chip ST2
2000
Leatherman Pulse
SOG SwitchPlier
Gerber 800 Legend
Buck BuckTool 360FL and 360CL
2001
Leatherman SuperTool 200
Leatherman Juice series (C2, S2, KF4, CS4, XE6)
Gerber 600 Fisherman
Bear Locking Bear Jaws
Schrade i-Quip
Schrade NaviTool
Imperial Schrade TMT1
Meyerco Paradox
Vise-Grip 5WR Toolbox
2002
Leatherman Squirt series (P4 and S4)
Leatherman Juice Pro
Gerber 650 Evolution
Schrade Tough Grip ST6
Vise-Grip 6LC Toolbox
Imperial Schrade TMT2 snips
Buck Navigator
2003
Leatherman Squirt EL
Leatherman Juice SC2
Gerber 500 Recoil
Gerber Eclipse
Schrade Tough Tool ST5E
Kershaw National Geographic carabiner tool
2004
Leatherman Charge Ti & XTi
Leatherman Wave (New)
Leatherman Blast
Leatherman Fuse
Leatherman Kick
Gerber Solstice
Victorinox Spirit
Imperial Schrade TMT11
Swiss-Tech Micro-Pro
2005
Leatherman Core
Leatherman Surge
PowerPlay PT-510
PowerPlay PT-525
Gerber Diesel
Gerber Suspension
Gerber Shortcut
Gerber Clutch
Caspian Arms Pocketsmith
2006
Leatherman Hybrid and Vista
PowerPlay PT-540
Gerber Freehand
Buck X-Tract 730
Victorinox Spirit S
Spyderco Byrd Tool Harp
Loggerhead Immix 10X
2007
Leatherman Charge AL, ALX, and TTi
Leatherman Skeletool
Leatherman Skeletool CX
Leatherman Genus
Gerber Radius
Gerber Flik
Gerber Method, Crux, Resolve, Tread
SOG PowerLock 2.0
SOG PowerCut
Wenger NewRanger 70, 71, 172, 73, 74, 75
Wenger Alinghi 176, 177
Spyderco SpydeRench (reissued)
Spyderco ByrdRench
CRKT Zilla-Tool
CRKT Guppie
2008
Leatherman Wave, 25th Anniversary
Leatherman Silver Charge, 25th Anniversary
CRKT Zilla-Tool Jr
CRKT Li'l Guppie
CRKT Get-A-Way Driver
CRKT Lumabiner
Topeak Ratchet Rocket
Buck X-Tract LED 731
Buck X-Tract FIN 732
Gerber Artifact
Gerber Shard
Swiss-Tech Micro-Max
Swiss-Tech Transformer
Wenger NewRanger Touring 174
Leatherman Argentum luxury models
SOG PowerAssist
2009
Leatherman Damascus Wave
Leatherman red-white-blue Micra
Leatherman Freestyle
Leatherman Freestyle CX
Wenger Evogrip NewRangers
Wenger Mike Horn Knife
Gerber Crucial
Gerber Splice
Gerber Vise
Gerber Curve
Gerber Flik Fish
CRKT Cicada
Buck Essential
Leatherman Super Tool 300
Victorinox Spirit X
ToolLogic SL Plier
AR Multitasker
2010
Leatherman MUT
Leatherman Squirt PS4
Leatherman Squirt ES4
Leatherman Style CS
CRKT Flux
Gerber Grappler
Gerber Strata
Gerber Octane
SOG Micro ToolClip
2011
Gerber Bear Grylls tools
Gerber Crucial F.A.S.T.
Gerber Fit
Gerber Balance
Gerber Cable Dawg
Leatherman Sidekick
Leatherman Wingman
Leatherman Style PS
ToolLogic Micro ToolClip
2012
Gerber Dime
Gerber MP600ST sight tool
Gerber Groundbreaker
Gerber Steady
Gerber Balance
Leatherman Rebar
Leatherman OHT
SOG PowerDuo
SOG Blacktip
CRKT Tool
2013
Leatherman NEW Surge
Leatherman Raptor
Leatherman Skeletool SX
Gerber Bullrush
Gerber MP1
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Emerson Multitasker - 2012
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2014
Leatherman Leap ? :facepalm: ;)
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more like 2015 at this point I'd wager!
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Can we update this list? I don't know them all, but this is what I got as of now.
2014
Leatherman Leap
Leatherman By The Number
Gerber Bladeless MP600
2015
Leatherman Signal
Leatherman Tread
SOG Switchplier
Gerber MP1- AR & MRO
Gerber Dime Travel
2016
Leatherman Knifeless Rebar
Sog Reactor
Sog Powerplay
CRKT Bivy
If I got any wrong, please feel free to change it. We must keep the timeline going :viking: :viking: :viking: :viking:
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2015
Leatherman Rev
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To be nitpicky, SOG came out with the SwitchPlier 2.0 in 2015. The original is a bit older.
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To be nitpicky, SOG came out with the SwitchPlier 2.0 in 2015. The original is a bit older.
Good catch. That is an important distinction. :tu:
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Any others before I update the list? :think:
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2016
Leatherman Skeletool RX
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If Pocket Tools can be added to the list...
2012
Leatherman Brewzer
Leatherman Piranha
Leatherman Mako Ti
Leatherman Z-Rex
2013
Leatherman Croc
Leatherman Cam
Leatherman Pump
Leatherman Rail
Leatherman Thruster
Leatherman Shooter
Leatherman Hail
Leatherman Rime
Leatherman Grind
Leatherman Jam
Leatherman Carabiner
2014
Leatherman Piranha II
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If Pocket Tools can be added to the list...
2012
Leatherman Brewzer
Leatherman Piranha
Leatherman Mako Ti
Leatherman Z-Rex
2013
Leatherman Croc
Leatherman Cam
Leatherman Pump
Leatherman Rail
Leatherman Thruster
Leatherman Shooter
Leatherman Hail
Leatherman Rime
Leatherman Grind
Leatherman Jam
Leatherman Carabiner
2014
Leatherman Piranha II
Not a bad idea. It would be a shame to lose that information before it fades from memory....
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Updated Multi-Tool Encyclopedia Timeline:
http://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=Multitool+Timeline
Did I screw anything up here?
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Updated Multi-Tool Encyclopedia Timeline:
http://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=Multitool+Timeline
Did I screw anything up here?
Looks good to me :D Now if all of those tools just had a page :sa: :doh: :D
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I received some SOG Information from:
LOUIS CHAN / Marketing Coordinator
SOG SPECIALTY KNIVES & TOOLS
"When did each model come to market?
· PowerLock – 1998
· PowerLock Traveler – 2015
· PowerLock w/ V-Cutter – 2007
· PowerLock EOD - 2002
· PowerAssist – 2008
· CrossCut 2.0 – 2010
· CrossCut - 2000
· PowerPlay – 2016
· Reactor – 2016
· Pocket PowerPlier – 1998
· MacV Tool – 2016
· SwitchPlier 2.0 – 2015
· SwitchPlier - 2001
· ParaTool – 1993
· PowerDuo – 2012
· ToolClip - 1990
· Micro ToolClip - ~1992-93 (est.)
· CrossGrip - 2000
· Power Plier – 1994-99 (est.)
· Vino - 2001
Some of these are estimated. I’m basing a lot of the pre-1999 dates off catalogs and we didn’t do catalogs every year."
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I received some SOG Information from:
LOUIS CHAN / Marketing Coordinator
SOG SPECIALTY KNIVES & TOOLS
"When did each model come to market?
· PowerLock – 1998
· PowerLock Traveler – 2015
· PowerLock w/ V-Cutter – 2007
· PowerLock EOD - 2002
· PowerAssist – 2008
· CrossCut 2.0 – 2010
· CrossCut - 2000
· PowerPlay – 2016
· Reactor – 2016
· Pocket PowerPlier – 1998
· MacV Tool – 2016
· SwitchPlier 2.0 – 2015
· SwitchPlier - 2001
· ParaTool – 1993
· PowerDuo – 2012
· ToolClip - 1990
· Micro ToolClip - ~1992-93 (est.)
· CrossGrip - 2000
· Power Plier – 1994-99 (est.)
· Vino - 2001
Some of these are estimated. I’m basing a lot of the pre-1999 dates off catalogs and we didn’t do catalogs every year."
Thanks Chako! Nice info to have. One question though,
anybody knows when did the Blacktip and PowerPlier come out?
Thx
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Don't see the years of the Camo's?..Was wondering what year does the Bass Pro and Cabela's Leatherman Charge Camouflage Edition first came out? Are there different models for different years?
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Thanks Chako! Nice info to have. One question though,
anybody knows when did the Blacktip and PowerPlier come out?
Late response (but better late than never, right ? ) ....
The earliest mention I can find for the West Marine Blacktip multitool was a review/promo video by West Marine for the first (recalled) version with carbide wire cutters, it was dated April 2010.
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While the wayback machine can help greatly, early 90s is a difficult time because few pages were archived and nobody had a big internet presence. One thing that really helps is to do a Trademark search on the name of the tool. I come up with 5/30/1995 as the first use of the MPT trademark. I found this out using trademarkia.com. Here's the link: https://www.trademarkia.com/mpt-74641492.html
First I searched by Gerber. Fiskars owns Gerber. So I searched the trademarks that Fiskars owns or has owned. And MPT came up. You an also just do a search for MPT, and then weed through the results. (It's near the end of the list).
It's not the best search engine, but it works well enough to find out useful information on our beloved tools.
Charles.
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I have detailed information on Coast fixed-plier multi tools that I'll be posting in its own thread, with descriptions and how to determine the year of the tool, changes made, etc. I've only completed the original plier tool, the newer version with the different plier I am still researching, but I have basic info on that as well. Would you want to add the basic release information for this tools to to this timeline?
Charles.
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I have detailed information on Coast fixed-plier multi tools that I'll be posting in its own thread, with descriptions and how to determine the year of the tool, changes made, etc. I've only completed the original plier tool, the newer version with the different plier I am still researching, but I have basic info on that as well. Would you want to add the basic release information for this tools to to this timeline?
Charles.
Yeah sure. :tu:
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I'm going to split this up by the plier types, because it can get very confusing otherwise. Coast re-used the names and model numbers of the early pliers when they made the 2nd generation (what I call type-2) pliers.
Here's the 1st gen:
1993 Coast Pocket Mechanic released. Similar to SOG ToolClip. Two piece jaw, comfortable plastic scales, and more tools than the SOG. (blade, saw, serrated blade/file/driver, bottle opener/driver, backspring phillips)
1995 Coast Sport Mechanic released. (New needle-nosed jaw with larger cutters. Tools are different: added scissors and fish scaler, removed bottle opener and saw)
1996 "Sharper Image" branded Pro Pocket Mechanic release by Coast. (Same as the Pocket Mechanic, but adding scissors)
1997 All Pocket Mechanic and Sport Mechanic tools get spring-action pliers
(??) Coast makes a scissor-less Sport Mechanic for K-Mart, branded "SwissGear". It has Spring-action pliers, so it's post-1997.
2002 (early) Last year for Pocket and Sport Mechanic tools with this original design.
And here's the 2nd gen:
1996 Coast builds new type of blunt-nosed fixed plier tool for the Nature Company (Model 771139). Tool has thin plastic scales with red buttons holding them on instead of screws. Still made in Taiwan.
1997 Coast makes a Chrysler-branded version of what will eventually be called the "Pro Pocket Mechanic" for the 1997 Chrysler Master Tech Gold Tool Award, given by Chrysler to techs who completed all the required training courses in 1997. This tool has LED scales.
1998 Needle-nosed "Pro Pocket Mechanic" with LED scales. First direct evidence of "Pro Pocket Mechanic" branding since the Sharper Image tool. (Even though the tool obviously existed in 1997, I do not believe it was called the Pro Pocket Mechanic until 1998). Has a coast-branded ballistic nylon sheath.
2002 "Sport Mechanic" branding re-purposed for a needle-nosed type-2 plier without LED scales. Model SM8001
2002 "Pocket Mechanic" branding re-purposed for a blunt-nosed tool. Model PM2001
2002 "Pro Pocket Mechanic" model PMG2500CP. Blunt nosed with gator grip and oversized sheath. This version was definitely made in China. It is the only version of the type 2 pliers I have found that has either Coast branding or country of origin etched on the blades. Quality has received a large bump with this version. Some of these are sold with a sheath with "Endeavor" stitched in red, some with "Coast Pro Pocket Mechanic" stitched in red.
2003 Needle-nosed "Pro Pocket Mechanic" now has a part number: PPM2500. Still has LED scales and a coast-branded sheath.
2003 Coast makes an "Endeavor"-branded version of the Pro Pocket Mechanic. Rubberized scales (no LED), blunt-nosed plier head. Model ETC-400, sold with a "Gator Grip" socket and sheath by the Endeavor Tool Company. Was sold through 2011, after which it was a special-order item (you had to call a phone number) I am unsure when they stopped selling it special order. The page existed until early 2017, after which it was removed from the Endeavor website. However, I do not believe it was linked to by the endeavor website for that entire time.
2005 was the last year for all of the pocket and sport mechanic tools. In 2006 they are no longer listed on the Coast Cutlery website. The only tool that remains is the ETC-400 sold by the Endeavor Company.
NOTE: Early images on the Coast website show drawings of the Pro Pocket Mechanic with a can opener and red-buttoned (LED-less) scales, but I have yet to encounter one of these in the wild.
NOTE2: There were two Brookstone-branded versions of the Type 2 Pocket Mechanic. I am unsure what years they were sold. They are springless and have a differently-shaped plier jaw. One has black plastic scales (no LED) and one has metal scales.
NOTE3: There is a miniature Pocket Mechanic made by Barlow. It looks like a type 1 pocket mechanic, but has the type 2 LED scale and is the size of a Micro ToolClip. Coast and Barlow have a history of working together, so this may be a licensed product.
NOTE4: There is also a minature Brookstone tool that looks like the larger Brookstone pliers, but is also the size of a Micro ToolClip.
NOTE5: To my knowledge, there was never a Coast-branded type 1 "Pro Pocket Mechanic". Only the Sharper Image got that designation. Coast used the "Pro" designation for the new plier head, and sold the old Pocket Mechanic and Sport Mechanic along side the new needle-nosed Pro Pocket Mechanic for some time.
That's what I've got. I'm a very confident of the type 1 plier history. The type 2 is a little shakier. The dates for the type 2 should be fairly close, but I believe there may be missing off-brands for the type 2 pliers, and I'm not entirely sure when production was moved from Taiwan to China.
I've based my research on the wayback machine (archive.org), trademark history, magazine articles, google image search, and archived newspapers (specifically the advertisements), as well as actual eBay purchases and the eBay completed items history.
Charles.
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I should probably have made an addendum. In 1993 the Pocket Mechanic was marked "Patent Pending" on the main blade. The patent was either denied, or it was abandoned by Coast. Subsequent models have a pattern number on the blade, "PAT.39994". This is a proprietary number and David C. Brands (the inventor) said he couldn't tell me what it meant, as it was Coast's confidential information. The 1993 model also had problems with the backspring phillips driver being extremely difficult to extend, and then rounding off and no longer staying in the closed position. It was fixed very quickly. There are other identifying marks and information from year to year, but I will post all of that separately in a (very large) separate post.
Charles.
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Great reading...thanks! I had two of these that were identical. I was plumbing fulltime and working for a company in Pullman, WA. I bought one, left it at a customer's (if you're in the trades and you leave a tool on a job, 95% of the time you will never see that tool again). So they were both bought around 1995/'96. I still have a box and it's the blunt nose pliers. Also, have the lit that came inside with an added phone number. I don't remember if the phone number had something to do with the knife or not....I think I was after a spare sheath.
I had a multitool like SOG too......but this tool had HEFT.....something that was lacking in most multitools. It held up and was beefy hand sized. Not that the SOG, Leatherman et al tools were inferior, they weren't. The smaller multitools are and always will be, a compromise tool....a get your butt out of a sling type tool. I do remember a weakness with the PM.....I think it was the knife blade and had to be careful with it. This is basically a crude multitool, but very durable if you could wear something that big. I used the pliers WAY more than anything else on the knife and they held up. In fact, I probably bought the second one just because I liked the pliers so much...lol.
I figured them to be sacrificial @$30 something back then. After the last one got lost....I just lost heart.
I'd sure like to have another, but they are conspicuously absent on eBay.
Kevin
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If you’re talking blunt nose or needle nose, then you’re talking about the type 2 plier. I need to update this with pics to make things clear.
Charles.
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This list needs some updating. :pok: :pok:
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While I can't speak for Leatherman, SOG or several others as my main interest is Gerber, I agree with Chako's sentiment. Called Gerber about the MP1 Maintenance Pro and not only is this discontinued, but the entire series is as of 2019. Haven't had a chance to properly verify this alleged claim, but I'd say the same goes with Gerber MP 450 and potentially this is the case with the MP800 Legend. My best guess with MP450 was this was done in 2016/2017 and I am basing the other model number on two different distributors with MP800.
Gerber's new website layout search engine has some major issues when you type in model numbers, series names and other information, so unless anyone here knows a direct Gerber or any brand for that matter with current products, calling the manufacturer directly seems to be the only tried and true method of confirmation.
This would be very beneficial if similar to Klein Tools, Gerber had a list of discontinued items and ideally when they were discontinued as well.
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Get us a list together of the changes, gentlemen and I will be happy to edit it in :salute: :tu:
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This is a great list, anyone know if its been updated since 2017?