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Title: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 11, 2018, 08:36:51 PM
A new limited edition with a coin:

https://www.victorinox.com/de/de/Produkte/Schweizer-Taschenmesser/Mittlere-Taschenmesser/Karl-Elsener-Gedenkmunze-Set2018/p/1.1918.J18
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Myron on September 11, 2018, 09:10:28 PM
Hmm, not sure how this one is striking me.  The minted coin thingie is kinda cool, but the price seems quite high and I wish they had used a Pioneer (or similar Alox model) instead. 

But still, if they sell it in the US I'll probably pick one up...
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 11, 2018, 09:45:25 PM
Yes, an Alox model would be nice...
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Wspeed on September 11, 2018, 09:55:52 PM
I like the coin but agree that it should be a Alox SAK
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: GoatDragon on September 11, 2018, 09:57:26 PM
Yeah $120 for a Huntsman is pretty steep.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 11, 2018, 10:14:04 PM
 :iagree: in Alox I would be at the head of the line! Now as far as this one goes...100 euro is $115.90 and for what it is, I would be a buyer. If its still around the 27th I will be buying one.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Etherealicer on September 12, 2018, 07:43:38 AM
The should have gone all the way and made a pre-1900 SAK :drool:
Imagine a 1884 SAK with brass detail and white horn scales... maybe in 2034 :D
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: pfrsantos on September 13, 2018, 07:56:04 PM
Yeah $120 for a Huntsman is pretty steep.

Try €190 over here...

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Wspeed on September 13, 2018, 08:00:47 PM
Yeah $120 for a Huntsman is pretty steep.

Try €190 over here...

 :facepalm:
:sa:  that’s just way to much  ???
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: pfrsantos on September 14, 2018, 04:33:23 PM
Yeah $120 for a Huntsman is pretty steep.

Try €190 over here...

 :facepalm:
:sa:  that’s just way to much  ???

That's what everybody said!

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Wspeed on September 14, 2018, 04:35:53 PM
Yeah $120 for a Huntsman is pretty steep.

Try €190 over here...

 :facepalm:
:sa:  that’s just way to much  ???

That's what everybody said!

 :facepalm:
Speechless  :shrug:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: pfrsantos on September 14, 2018, 04:47:05 PM
Yeah $120 for a Huntsman is pretty steep.

Try €190 over here...

 :facepalm:
:sa:  that’s just way to much  ???

That's what everybody said!

 :facepalm:
Speechless  :shrug:

Nice show!

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Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 14, 2018, 05:09:33 PM
Too much??? I think at $120 it isn’t that bad of a price. Limited Edition...nice scales...nice box/presentation...and a very cool coin.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Mechanickal on September 14, 2018, 05:15:20 PM
And mark my words.
Like usual, they'll sell out in no time.
After a few weeks they'll pop up on the bay at inflated prices between 20-80%
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Wspeed on September 14, 2018, 05:18:21 PM
Too much??? I think at $120 it isn’t that bad of a price. Limited Edition...nice scales...nice box/presentation...and a very cool coin.
$120 isn’t bad but €190 is $220
Now that is expensive  >:(
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: pfrsantos on September 14, 2018, 06:49:38 PM
Too much??? I think at $120 it isn’t that bad of a price. Limited Edition...nice scales...nice box/presentation...and a very cool coin.
$120 isn’t bad but €190 is $220
Now that is expensive  >:(

Yup. At $120, I might buy a couple!

 :-\
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Myron on September 14, 2018, 11:00:31 PM

$120 isn’t bad but €190 is $220
Now that is expensive  >:(

But you also get a 20 Franc silver coin.  How many beers will that buy in CH?  ;)

Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: GoatDragon on September 15, 2018, 04:29:02 AM
Too much??? I think at $120 it isn’t that bad of a price. Limited Edition...nice scales...nice box/presentation...and a very cool coin.


Given that you can get a regular Huntsman for $30, you are paying ninety bucks for unique printing on plastic scales, a fancy cardboard box and a coin. Hardly seems worth it to me, but I am sure they will sell like hotcakes either way.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 15, 2018, 06:33:46 AM
Very true. If we all had the same taste, well, life would be a little boring.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: MacGyver on September 15, 2018, 02:41:05 PM
Too much??? I think at $120 it isn’t that bad of a price. Limited Edition...nice scales...nice box/presentation...and a very cool coin.


Given that you can get a regular Huntsman for $30, you are paying ninety bucks for unique printing on plastic scales, a fancy cardboard box and a coin. Hardly seems worth it to me, but I am sure they will sell like hotcakes either way.  :dunno:

+10...  :facepalm:

I know collectors love and value that stuff... but as much as i try to understand... I couldn't bring myself to imagine cashing out $120 for a sak when you can buy the same model for $30, and then have it neat in the box, doing nothing other than to be on display and to be looked at...

I just don't get this later "obcession" of Vic with LE' and SE's (at ridiculous prices i might add) of just standard models with fancy scales, nice boxes and memorabilia...
How about worrying about  "silly" and "less important" stuff like "evolution", "development", new sak "tools", materials, improving existing models and other "silly" things for people who actually use the darn things daily like, you know..., to cut stuff up... turn screws.... open things.... etc...

I get that charging obscene prices for standard models labeled "collectors items" makes for a way larger profit margin... but com'on guys... how many bloody LE's is enough every darn year...?   :rant:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: EMZ on September 15, 2018, 10:55:43 PM
Today I payed a visit to the Cologne Vic store. The Karl Elsener set was released on September 10, and 40 sets were assigned to the shop in Cologne. They were all sold within 2 days! It is all madness and the worst is that I am part of it.

A little bit more than 35.000 of the special coins are minted. They can be bought without the knife, but not at a Vic store.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Steinar on September 15, 2018, 11:13:59 PM
If people don't hurt their personal economy, what's the problem?
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Huntsman on September 16, 2018, 12:20:19 AM
Got real mixed feelings on these LEs.  :think:
On the one hand I think we are being exploited by being charged exorbitant prices for dressed up standard models.
And especially in this case   :twak:

On the other I think Vic are catering to the avid Vic collector and brining out something really special that will make them (us) very happy   :tu:   -  even if it does sit in a box for the rest of its life!!   :(

I think the annual Alox LEs are a happy medium - I have not checked - But I am guessing they are the same price-ish as the regular models - But still something nice to collect - or even to use - as a nice 'variaton' in a pretty colour - and not too expensive.

Although to me these are not really LEs, as they are unlimited in quantity - I would call them Special Editions.   :pok:

What is very disappointing is if the quality is suspect on the inflated price LEs.
I did succumb to the Carl Elsener Explorer and a PX Damascus - Sadly, the two most expensive - by a long long way - SAKs I ever bought (from Vic) were of the worst quality.
The scales did not match on the Explorer (different wood colour and grain), they did not fit brilliantly, and the laser etching was not great - we discussed this a lot at the time.
On the PX the spring had a very weak snap.
   
This was super disappointing  >:(   :(

And of course the other maddening thing is how the prices excalate once the LE has happened - Eg the 2010 Damascus Pioneers - Amazing - Although again, this is just supply and demand, economics, market prices and individual personal desire and wealth/affordability (or stupidity  :o) - depending on your point of view!!
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 16, 2018, 01:06:14 AM
Got real mixed feelings on these LEs.  :think:
On the one hand I think we are being exploited by being charged exorbitant prices for dressed up standard models.
And especially in this case   :twak:

On the other I think Vic are catering to the avid Vic collector and brining out something really special that will make them (us) very happy   :tu:   -  even if it does sit in a box for the rest of its life!!   :(

I think the annual Alox LEs are a happy medium - I have not checked - But I am guessing they are the same price-ish as the regular models - But still something nice to collect - or even to use - as a nice 'variaton' in a pretty colour - and not too expensive.

Although to me these are not really LEs, as they are unlimited in quantity - I would call them Special Editions.   :pok:

What is very disappointing is if the quality is suspect on the inflated price LEs.
I did succumb to the Carl Elsener Explorer and a PX Damascus - Sadly, the two most expensive - by a long long way - SAKs I ever bought (from Vic) were of the worst quality.
The scales did not match on the Explorer (different wood colour and grain), they did not fit brilliantly, and the laser etching was not great - we discussed this a lot at the time.
On the PX the spring had a very weak snap.
   
This was super disappointing  >:(   :(

And of course the other maddening thing is how the prices excalate once the LE has happened - Eg the 2010 Damascus Pioneers - Amazing - Although again, this is just supply and demand, economics, market prices and individual personal desire and wealth/affordability (or stupidity  :o) - depending on your point of view!!
Oh boy, Those two would make me pretty shy about even buying a 3 edition. You hit the nail on the head with prices and supply/demand. That can get very crazy. I try not to add something where it just sits. It usually will see some pocket time and I have bought a second of something as a backup because I lost it or it wore out from age.
You are right about Vic catering to the collector. They are in the business to sell things, To keep their employees sharp and creative. What can the company do to create new customers and changing the outside is one way. From a pen to a car body. The item has a basic foundation so they are not loosing any time on redoing the machinery for retooling. By limiting the numbers produced they still make a profit and interest. Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: gustophersmob on September 16, 2018, 01:10:36 AM
Today I payed a visit to the Cologne Vic store. The Karl Elsener set was released on September 10, and 40 sets were assigned to the shop in Cologne. They were all sold within 2 days! It is all madness and the worst is that I am part of it.

A little bit more than 35.000 of the special coins are minted. They can be bought without the knife, but not at a Vic store.

Ooh, that's interesting. All I'm interested in is the coin.  Do you have any idea who's selling the coins? Depending on the price I'd love one
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Ron Who on September 16, 2018, 09:12:15 AM
I think prices of limited editions will escalate no matter what Victorinox ask for them initially, so it only makes sense for them to get their share of the profit.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: MacGyver on September 16, 2018, 11:32:21 AM
You are right about Vic catering to the collector. They are in the business to sell things, To keep their employees sharp and creative. What can the company do to create new customers and changing the outside is one way. From a pen to a car body. The item has a basic foundation so they are not loosing any time on redoing the machinery for retooling. By limiting the numbers produced they still make a profit and interest. Just my 2 cents.

While it may be interesting for the company in terms of profit, it's sure as hell not that interesting for thousands of users around the world i can guarantee...
The average Sak user/enthusiast  (utility pocket knives/tools), they could care less about if it has fancy scales, blades, a LE numbering or a nice box with "case candy" on it. They just want a utility blade/scissors to cut stuff with and a few handy multifunction tools to have in their pocket when needed. And the most effective and diverse and reliable the tool can be the better.
Wenger was far better in the R&D of inventive new stuff, and in creativeness for inventing new tools. Yes they did some ridiculous stuff too along the way, but overall (quality issues aside) they where far more inventive, creative and adventurous than Vic has been (at least in the later years).

I think that's way more interesting than the 300th same 'ol regular spartan with the 300th different scales and fancy LE/SE boxes.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Mechanickal on September 16, 2018, 11:54:06 AM
True, Mac, on all accounts.

But people who just want a plain user, can buy one just like that.

And why should Vic produce new tools or try new things when they can make profit on their LE's that sell by themselves?

They are still a company, and every company's goal is to make profit.
They choose the easy way to do so instead of taking risks. Not only is it safer for a company's wellbeing, but also way more appreciated by any investors.

Also note that Wenger is a thing from the past. They existed in a time where knives were something that wasn't frowned upon. Times changed...
This actualy caused them to end up on a dead trail and submerged in Vic!

So what Vic did was start a line of fragarances, clothing, travel gear, laptop bags etc etc.

It might not feel like it to us, but they are more then just SAKs nowadays.
Why invest thousands of dollars in a product that is losing popularity overall?
They keep updating their other products nonetheless.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Chips on September 16, 2018, 12:34:30 PM
I would prefer an Alox model as well (hopefully in the future), but this is still nice though.
Especially the commemorative coin looks amazing! I certainly want one off those  :drool:

Some more info on the coin itself can be found here (source: official website Confédération suisse):
https://www.swissmintshop.admin.ch/cshop_mimes_smt/8C/8CDCD4590EE41ED8A6C49454152735EA.pdf
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: MacGyver on September 16, 2018, 12:59:51 PM
True, Mac, on all accounts.

But people who just want a plain user, can buy one just like that.

And why should Vic produce new tools or try new things when they can make profit on their LE's that sell by themselves?


They are still a company, and every company's goal is to make profit.
They choose the easy way to do so instead of taking risks. Not only is it safer for a company's wellbeing, but also way more appreciated by any investors.

Also note that Wenger is a thing from the past. They existed in a time where knives were something that wasn't frowned upon. Times changed...
This actualy caused them to end up on a dead trail and submerged in Vic!

So what Vic did was start a line of fragarances, clothing, travel gear, laptop bags etc etc.

It might not feel like it to us, but they are more then just SAKs nowadays.
Why invest thousands of dollars in a product that is losing popularity overall?
They keep updating their other products nonetheless.

I understand what you are saying, but profit (for the sake of profit) does not justify everything, at least for me.... I'm that kind of "dreamer" that still believes in professional "pride", and "passion", way more than in "money"... And because that's what the company was created for in the first place, it's main goal... Providing high quality utility pocket tools at reasonable prices.

They don't need to invent and produce new tools every year, however if they spent just a little bit more time and resources in updating/creating a new tool now and again, as much as they spend in thinking up "SE/LE's" it wouldn't hurt the profits, and may even sell some more thousands to new and old users.

If they like the LE/SE's so much, why not make more with (more sturdy and durable) nickel liners for example (like the gold ed. climber) of more models and sizes?
Why not bring back the bloody scissors on the 84mm line? At least the Salesman and small Climber? Or at least adapt the ex-Wenger Evo scissors to go with it...?
Even if in limited numbers for some time, even at a slightly higher but reasonable price?  I can't believe that would hurt profits that bad....
To make the old 84mm scissors again, all they need is the two stamping molds for the machine, not the entire machine itself, cause those machines multitask. I can't believe those molds cost to be so unbelievably high that they wouldn't get their investment back and even make profit on it within a year of selling that model worldwide.
That goes for creating or updating a tool or two (or materials) once in a while...  :think:

Or why not enhance the alox main line with models with more tools, for example...?

I for one would gladly spent 40/45€ in a Salesman/Climber small with nice nickel liners for example, than i would ever spent even €100 for the fanciest LE/SE in existence of just another standard model with fancy scales, when it adds nothing in terms of quality and function, and only in aesthetics and colectability.

And speaking about knives (larger blades)  being frowned upon, why not a 84/91mm model or two with just a small blade (or two) instead of having a main blade, or even bladeless models? That wouldn't take any extra cost to make.
Imagine an 84/91mm for example, with a layer with a small blade on one end  and an electricians blade on another instead of the main (larger) blade, with scissors. Wouldn't that sell well...?
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Mechanickal on September 16, 2018, 01:20:33 PM
Again, Mac, I completely agree.

But sadly, economicaly seen it are still rather rough times.

Profit is needed to survive.
Investments can be needed, but are more risky.

Right now it seems to me that they are making a safe bet.

Do I approve?
No...

Can I understand it?
Yes.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 16, 2018, 02:58:57 PM
 :iagree:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: EMZ on September 16, 2018, 04:15:39 PM
To be honest, I wanted that Elsener commemorative knife and coin very much. And I was very disappointed when I couldn't get one. But after reading Mac's opinions I am not disappointed anymore. Mac is right: 100 Euro'sis way too much for an ordinary knife plus a silver coin. If I can buy one now, it's only as an investment (Maybe a bad investment - time will tell.)
I also understand why Victorinox is making and selling these LE's. It's BECAUSE the knives sell as hell and make good profit.
It still would be a smart thing if Victorinox would invest a little bit more in innovation. Why don't they have diamond files, or something like the Swiza Tick Tool?
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: maxt on September 16, 2018, 04:30:33 PM
I do not understand the rant. If you are a user - buy a SAK to use, why even bother reading the threads about limited editions. Every product has it's own market niche, you can buy a 'user' knife in hundreds of thousands retail shops, they are all standard. All 500 millions of them )

Now to buy a collection piece will require searching, reading, following social networks etc. Collection pieces are more expensive and are not destined for a user like yourself. Now why you blame Victorinox for making high-end collection models, when they have already made perfect products to use?

So when you speak about innovations - you have to stay away from collectors threads and start user threads where users will exchange the views. Probably we will not have much to discuss: innovation-wise Victorinox has always been slow. For the last 5 years I can name just a handful of changes (Skipper, new nail-file for Cadet, Wine-master, could be more, I can't recall). It will be another 5 years when they come up with 1-2 minor changes and probably a new implement. This is not the reason to shame collection pieces.

I am collector and a user. As a user I have 3-4 different SAKs (SwissChamp, CT41, Gardner and Rescue stored in the car) plus SwissTool XL for work. I do not even need any new implements and tools.

But as a collector I can say that the more LE models are out there - the better for me. It is a hobby of buying new things of the same kind. It is the market segment where grown-up boys shop for shiny little toys for the sake of amusement only. They do not care if the tools are practical. They care to get more toys into collection.

Now when I finished about the rant, I would like to keep to the subject of the thread and share my opinion.
What I - as a collector - dislike is the new concept of Victorinox to make LE models that are sold in a special box and that must be stored or displayed in the box. All Chinese New year series, Dragons and now this Gedenkmünze. They did special boxing in the past (Damast series, Battle set and separate Battle knives, Cantonmesser,100th, 125 anniv), the same did Wenger with Wood edition, Life, Porche and Giant, all these are quoted as examples. They all were stored in special cases, but besides Cantonmesser and Battle set, each knive can be stored and displayed independently.

Now the box becomes a part of the knife. You can't display or store the knife without it as it is part of the design and composition.
This new trend is troubling me, as apparently we collectors now have to think about special box storage and display.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: MacGyver on September 16, 2018, 06:47:43 PM
I do not understand the rant. If you are a user - buy a SAK to use, why even bother reading the threads about limited editions. Every product has it's own market niche, you can buy a 'user' knife in hundreds of thousands retail shops, they are all standard. All 500 millions of them )

Now to buy a collection piece will require searching, reading, following social networks etc. Collection pieces are more expensive and are not destined for a user like yourself. Now why you blame Victorinox for making high-end collection models, when they have already made perfect products to use?

Siighhh.....  :facepalm:

Mate.... (..."deep breath"...)

First: I wasn't having a "rant"... or at least that wasn't my intention...

Second: I'll bother to read what i want, and i'll bother to comment or give my opinion about what i want...

Third: As you may have figured, i'm not, nor was i ever a collector (of anything). The concept itself is meaningless and uninteresting to me, yet as i've said on many times before, i can respect and empathize with those who collect, and have a passion for it. I can certainly empathize with that, even if i don't really understand a lot of it. There for i have no "beef" with collectors.

Fourth: As a Sak user and buyer for the last 30 years, i think i'm entitled to have an opinion of weather i like the course the company is taking (as a customer), even if i understand to a point but don't agree with it.

And Fifth: I do not blame Victorinox for making high-end collection models, i'm saying they are putting much more emphasis on that than on what the company was initially created for, and has grown up through the years and best known for. For me it's a product not a brand. All i said was that aside all the "collectible" LE/SE's they make, in the molds they make them, why not make also some LE's or SE's of actual different materials and functions at reasonable prices, that would work for both collectors and users, i figure...  :think:
Oh wait.... but that would cost a bit more for them to make than just slaping on printed fancy cellidor scales on standard ordinary models and making fancy cardboard boxes and charging a small fortune for it.... And profit wouldn't be as big too.... got it...   :oops:

Now why you blame Victorinox for making high-end collection models, when they have already made perfect products to use?

So when you speak about innovations - you have to stay away from collectors threads and start user threads where users will exchange the views. Probably we will not have much to discuss: innovation-wise Victorinox has always been slow. For the last 5 years I can name just a handful of changes (Skipper, new nail-file for Cadet, Wine-master, could be more, I can't recall). It will be another 5 years when they come up with 1-2 minor changes and probably a new implement. This is not the reason to shame collection pieces.

Again, i don't "have to" stay away from any threads, or anybody else for that matter. If you came to a user thread and give a similar opinion as mine but about "user" saks, i would certainly not hold it against you... Why would I...? It's your opinion.... I have no problem with it... And certainly wouldn't get defensive or gotten annoyed by your views on it...

My point was Vic should dedicate at least the same amount of time to R&D of new stuff or even SE's of improved stuff as much as they do to the LE/SE's, in the current molds that they do. That would please everybody: users, collectors, and user-collectors  ;)

They don't have to make any big investments or changes to improve small things, or make one or two new models. I've already given examples of it on previous posts.

As a side note, can you give any example where i've tried to "shame" collectors "pieces" like you've said...?  Or perhaps you perhaps you meant "prices" instead...?

I am collector and a user. As a user I have 3-4 different SAKs (SwissChamp, CT41, Gardner and Rescue stored in the car) plus SwissTool XL for work. I do not even need any new implements and tools.

Cool..., but that's what you need, not what everybody else might need, or want... Everybody's different.

But as a collector I can say that the more LE models are out there - the better for me. It is a hobby of buying new things of the same kind. It is the market segment where grown-up boys shop for shiny little toys for the sake of amusement only. They do not care if the tools are practical. They care to get more toys into collection.

That's fine, i've nothing to say against that. If that's what you like and makes you happy than go for it, i respect that, even if i don't share the same interest.  :tu:
However, you wouldn't find a different (even LE/SE) new or improved model of an existing sak equally collectable...?


Anyway... my apologies to everyone if you feel like i've gotten too off topic with my comments.
 :b2t:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Ron Who on September 16, 2018, 06:58:19 PM
For me, it´s about the product, not the brand, as well. And even though I own about 75 SAKs I would call myself a user, not a collector. I have an equal number of tools by other brands. And that´s what counts from a user point of view. If Victorinox can´t (or doesn´t) provide what I need, I´ll switch to another brand (or buy mods). Complaining that Vx isn´t doing right is useless IMO.

Edit: after all, as others said before me,  Vx are there to make money, not to suit my individual needs (or yours).
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: maxt on September 16, 2018, 08:10:06 PM
they are putting much more emphasis on that than on what the company was initially created for, and has grown up through the years and best known for.

The company was initially created to make profit. Through years Victorinox has developed in an absolutely conservative way and it is best know for it. SwissChamp is 33 years old, besides minor improvements (mag glass, file) and rare short-lived deviations (Supertimer) it is the same old model. It has been repacked into vast variety of scales of all kinds of materials but still it is nearly the same.
R&D is expensive, releasing new models is risky.
Marketing new scales and new Alox color costs less, but brings guaranteed profits.

Wenger was about innovations and it left enormous heritage of infinite models, modifications and specifications. But where is Wenger today? Right, it is history. Even the name vanished for good.

You can discuss Victorinox business as you like and advise them whatever, but to me (or anybody slightly related to management) they are an example of success and they have been a story to learn for 100 years now.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: MacGyver on September 16, 2018, 08:30:01 PM
they are putting much more emphasis on that than on what the company was initially created for, and has grown up through the years and best known for.

The company was initially created to make profit.


Ohhh... silly me.... and here i was thinking that it was created to make pocket knives for the Swiss army all along....  ::)   :whistle:


they are putting much more emphasis on that than on what the company was initially created for, and has grown up through the years and best known for.

The company was initially created to make profit. Through years Victorinox has developed in an absolutely conservative way and it is best know for it. SwissChamp is 33 years old, besides minor improvements (mag glass, file) and rare short-lived deviations (Supertimer) it is the same old model. It has been repacked into vast variety of scales of all kinds of materials but still it is nearly the same.
R&D is expensive, releasing new models is risky.
Marketing new scales and new Alox color costs less, but brings guaranteed profits.

Wenger was about innovations and it left enormous heritage of infinite models, modifications and specifications. But where is Wenger today? Right, it is history. Even the name vanished for good.

You can discuss Victorinox business as you like and advise them whatever, but to me (or anybody slightly related to management) they are an example of success and they have been a story to learn for 100 years now.

.... well...as far as i'm aware off Wenger didn't made a ton of LE/SE's at huge prices for collectors per year, and then increase their profit... Heey... maybe that's why they went under...  :think:
You learn something new everyday, gota love it...  >:D

Seriously though.... if you still didn't understood my point after all this discussion, there is no point in trying to explain it to you any further, really...

You are right about the "anybody slightly related to management" part though... I majored in Engineering, so the engineering side of things is way more interesting to me than the management, that's for sure.  Heck, the ideas i mentioned early, heaven forbid, if they made any would probably even drive the company to bankruptcy....  :facepalm:

But anyway, and again....  :b2t:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: maxt on September 16, 2018, 08:57:39 PM
No, please, don't explain anything to me. Since you are obviously balancing between being rude and sarcastic, I will further restrain myself from this discussion.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: MacGyver on September 16, 2018, 09:25:29 PM
No, please, don't explain anything to me. Since you are obviously balancing between being rude and sarcastic, I will further restrain myself from this discussion.

Rude and sarcastic??

When have you seen me being rude to you or anyone else in this post...?
I would advise you to read your first post again, carefully, and then decide who was being... shall i say... "biting"... in the first place

Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Top-Gear-24 on September 16, 2018, 10:00:53 PM
And this is exactly why I'm spending less time here now than I used to do 5 years ago ... 

But please, don't mind melancholic old me ...

Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 16, 2018, 10:32:30 PM
 :b2t:
How are you gentlemen finding out about the special editions. I see stuff I didn’t even know existed. This forum is great for sharing. I have seen and learned a lot in the 1st month I have been here. So how are you finding out???
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Chips on September 17, 2018, 06:28:29 PM
@Rapidray, I just check out the Victorinox official website now en then.

And guess what?  :mail: :woohoo:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Wspeed on September 17, 2018, 06:34:30 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 17, 2018, 06:57:04 PM
@Rapidray, I just check out the Victorinox official website now en then.

And guess what?  :mail: :woohoo:
That’s great! I have one on hold myself. Just not in the mail yet! Photos when you get yours in!
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: twiliter on September 17, 2018, 07:28:43 PM
It's a nice set, but I don't particularly love the Huntsman pattern. If it was a Climber I'd be more interested.  :climber:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 17, 2018, 09:04:52 PM
@Rapidray, I just check out the Victorinox official website now en then.

And guess what?  :mail: :woohoo:
:popcorn:

Nice!

Today one was sold on eBay:
131 Euro
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 17, 2018, 09:33:01 PM
That’s about the going rate on eBay...$150.00
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: pfrsantos on September 18, 2018, 12:48:52 PM
No, please, don't explain anything to me. Since you are obviously balancing between being rude and sarcastic, I will further restrain myself from this discussion.

Really?! Ohhh... I was enjoying this so much...

 :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: pfrsantos on September 18, 2018, 12:50:12 PM
No, please, don't explain anything to me. Since you are obviously balancing between being rude and sarcastic, I will further restrain myself from this discussion.

Really?! Ohhh... I was enjoying this so much...

 :cry: :cry:

Just so you know, this was an atempt at sarcasm... I tried being rude, but didn't manage to succeed.

 :whistle:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: pfrsantos on September 18, 2018, 12:52:39 PM
No, please, don't explain anything to me. Since you are obviously balancing between being rude and sarcastic, I will further restrain myself from this discussion.

Really?! Ohhh... I was enjoying this so much...

 :cry: :cry:

Just so you know, this was an atempt at sarcasm... I tried being rude, but didn't manage to succeed.

 :whistle:

This one, too, was a sarcastic comment. But you awlready figured that out, right?

 8) 8)
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: pfrsantos on September 18, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
No, please, don't explain anything to me. Since you are obviously balancing between being rude and sarcastic, I will further restrain myself from this discussion.

Really?! Ohhh... I was enjoying this so much...

 :cry: :cry:

Just so you know, this was an atempt at sarcasm... I tried being rude, but didn't manage to succeed.

 :whistle:

This one, too, was a sarcastic comment. But you awlready figured that out, right?

 8) 8)

(https://meme.xyz/uploads/posts/t/l-15185-when-ur-about-to-say-something-but-then-decide-its-not-worth-the-effort.jpg)

 :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: MacGyver on September 18, 2018, 01:33:49 PM
 :rofl:

Oh Santos, com'on... Don't put more wood into that fire...  >:D
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: pfrsantos on September 18, 2018, 01:36:30 PM
:rofl:

Oh Santos, com'on... Don't put more wood into that fire...  >:D

Wood, moi?! If you'd be listening to what she says, you wouldn't be saying that...

 :whistle:

Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: MacGyver on September 18, 2018, 01:39:24 PM
:rofl:

Oh Santos, com'on... Don't put more wood into that fire...  >:D

Wood, moi?! If you'd be listening to what she says, you wouldn't be saying that...

 :whistle:

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1115/3514/products/michael-scott-the-office-thats-what-she-said-meme_large.jpeg?v=1496680616)
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Wspeed on September 18, 2018, 01:52:08 PM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Régis-Joël Charnay on September 18, 2018, 04:06:08 PM
I do not understand the rant. If you are a user - buy a SAK to use, why even bother reading the threads about limited editions. Every product has it's own market niche, you can buy a 'user' knife in hundreds of thousands retail shops, they are all standard. All 500 millions of them )

Now to buy a collection piece will require searching, reading, following social networks etc. Collection pieces are more expensive and are not destined for a user like yourself. Now why you blame Victorinox for making high-end collection models, when they have already made perfect products to use?

So when you speak about innovations - you have to stay away from collectors threads and start user threads where users will exchange the views. Probably we will not have much to discuss: innovation-wise Victorinox has always been slow. For the last 5 years I can name just a handful of changes (Skipper, new nail-file for Cadet, Wine-master, could be more, I can't recall). It will be another 5 years when they come up with 1-2 minor changes and probably a new implement. This is not the reason to shame collection pieces.

I am collector and a user. As a user I have 3-4 different SAKs (SwissChamp, CT41, Gardner and Rescue stored in the car) plus SwissTool XL for work. I do not even need any new implements and tools.

But as a collector I can say that the more LE models are out there - the better for me. It is a hobby of buying new things of the same kind. It is the market segment where grown-up boys shop for shiny little toys for the sake of amusement only. They do not care if the tools are practical. They care to get more toys into collection.

Now when I finished about the rant, I would like to keep to the subject of the thread and share my opinion.
What I - as a collector - dislike is the new concept of Victorinox to make LE models that are sold in a special box and that must be stored or displayed in the box. All Chinese New year series, Dragons and now this Gedenkmünze. They did special boxing in the past (Damast series, Battle set and separate Battle knives, Cantonmesser,100th, 125 anniv), the same did Wenger with Wood edition, Life, Porche and Giant, all these are quoted as examples. They all were stored in special cases, but besides Cantonmesser and Battle set, each knive can be stored and displayed independently.

Now the box becomes a part of the knife. You can't display or store the knife without it as it is part of the design and composition.
This new trend is troubling me, as apparently we collectors now have to think about special box storage and display.
+ 1  :salute:

Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 20, 2018, 08:53:12 PM
@Rapidray, I just check out the Victorinox official website now en then.

And guess what?  :mail: :woohoo:
:popcorn:

Nice!

Today one was sold on eBay:
131 Euro

Next one on eBay for 152 Euro...
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 20, 2018, 09:03:22 PM
Oh boy, next Wednesday can’t get here quick enough!
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 22, 2018, 11:10:04 AM
After a short research - there are 3 different products:

1. Knife with the coin
2. coin (limited to 30.000 pieces)
3. coin (limited to 5.000 pieces, with box and certificate)
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 22, 2018, 05:45:44 PM
After a short research - there are 3 different products:

1. Knife with the coin
2. coin (limited to 30.000 pieces)
3. coin (limited to 5.000 pieces, with box and certificate)
Excellent information. Thanks  :like:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 22, 2018, 06:14:24 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: gustophersmob on September 22, 2018, 06:23:55 PM
After a short research - there are 3 different products:

1. Knife with the coin
2. coin (limited to 30.000 pieces)
3. coin (limited to 5.000 pieces, with box and certificate)

Does anyone have a source for just the coin? I'm not interested in the knife, but all I can find is the whole set
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Wspeed on September 22, 2018, 06:25:51 PM
After a short research - there are 3 different products:

1. Knife with the coin
2. coin (limited to 30.000 pieces)
3. coin (limited to 5.000 pieces, with box and certificate)

Does anyone have a source for just the coin? I'm not interested in the knife, but all I can find is the whole set
I have seen them on eBay  :tu:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: gustophersmob on September 22, 2018, 06:27:27 PM
After a short research - there are 3 different products:

1. Knife with the coin
2. coin (limited to 30.000 pieces)
3. coin (limited to 5.000 pieces, with box and certificate)

Does anyone have a source for just the coin? I'm not interested in the knife, but all I can find is the whole set
I have seen them on eBay  :tu:

Hmmm....  :think: be right back....

OK, when I searched "victorinox coin," all I got was the set. Using "Swiss army knife coin" got me some results. Unfortunately way more than I was hoping to spend. Oh well  :cheers:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 22, 2018, 06:29:39 PM
I’ll check the sources this evening and send you a message if I found one...
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 22, 2018, 06:50:00 PM
I did it also and didn’t see any coins individual. Did the world wide search...nothing.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: gustophersmob on September 22, 2018, 06:52:19 PM
I did it also and didn’t see any coins individual. Did the world wide search...nothing.

Using "Swiss army knife coin," I got a few results. This was the cheapest :

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F113257887684
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: gustophersmob on September 22, 2018, 06:52:34 PM
I’ll check the sources this evening and send you a message if I found one...

Cool, thanks!
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Mechanickal on September 22, 2018, 06:55:01 PM
Found the same one.

Also found the one with certificate for around €90.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Wspeed on September 22, 2018, 06:55:39 PM
I did it also and didn’t see any coins individual. Did the world wide search...nothing.

Using "Swiss army knife coin," I got a few results. This was the cheapest :

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F113257887684
They are not cheap but very nice  :like: :tu:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 22, 2018, 06:56:05 PM
 :sa: I didn’t expect it to go that much...and then plus shipping...you half way to getting the whole set!
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Wspeed on September 22, 2018, 06:59:49 PM
I couldn’t spend that much  ???
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Mechanickal on September 22, 2018, 07:11:38 PM
My thinking as well...

Suddenly the Huntsman seems way less overpriced...
Someone willing to buy the set for the coin?

I'll then buy the SAK for €30 8)
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: gustophersmob on September 22, 2018, 07:29:17 PM
:sa: I didn’t expect it to go that much...and then plus shipping...you half way to getting the whole set!

I couldn’t spend that much  ???

My thinking as well...

Suddenly the Huntsman seems way less overpriced...
Someone willing to buy the set for the coin?

I'll then buy the SAK for €30 8)

 :iagree:  more than I had hoped.  :-\
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 22, 2018, 08:42:40 PM
I only found a shop that has the knife and coin version... i am waiting for different replies from sellers and collectors...

More informations...

After a short research - there are 3 different products:

1. Knife with the coin
2. coin (limited to 30.000 pieces)
3. coin (limited to 5.000 pieces, with box and certificate)
Excellent information. Thanks  :like:

coin (30.000 pieces) - ca. 35-40 € each
coin (5000 pieces) - ca. 60-70 € each
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 22, 2018, 08:48:54 PM
Diameter of both coins is 33mm

The surfaces of the coins have different qualities. Unfortunately I do not know the english terms for the different surfaces.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 22, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
Diameter of both coins is 33mm

The surfaces of the coins have different qualities. Unfortunately I do not know the english terms for the different surfaces.
Are you talking about “proof” coins where they are shining very brightly compared to regular ones???
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 22, 2018, 09:07:56 PM
Just checked, yes it is coming from the Swiss mint and they are doing a proof set, uncirculated set and then regular circulation. It is .835 silver content. Not bad.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 22, 2018, 09:32:35 PM
Diameter of both coins is 33mm

The surfaces of the coins have different qualities. Unfortunately I do not know the english terms for the different surfaces.
Are you talking about “proof” coins where they are shining very brightly compared to regular ones???

Just checked, yes it is coming from the Swiss mint and they are doing a proof set, uncirculated set and then regular circulation. It is .835 silver content. Not bad.

Yes  :cheers:, thanks

Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 22, 2018, 10:03:40 PM
Diameter of both coins is 33mm

The surfaces of the coins have different qualities. Unfortunately I do not know the english terms for the different surfaces.
Are you talking about “proof” coins where they are shining very brightly compared to regular ones???

Just checked, yes it is coming from the Swiss mint and they are doing a proof set, uncirculated set and then regular circulation. It is .835 silver content. Not bad.

Yes  :cheers:, thanks
Not a problem.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Marc_in_NS on September 23, 2018, 01:55:19 AM
I just ordered the Proof coin from the Swiss Mint... :climber:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 23, 2018, 02:18:39 AM
I just ordered the Proof coin from the Swiss Mint... :climber:
Cool. Can’t wait to see!  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Marc_in_NS on September 23, 2018, 02:57:59 AM
This will have to do for now...until the mailman comes to the door!
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Wspeed on September 23, 2018, 02:43:10 PM
It is a very nice coin :dd: :like:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 27, 2018, 08:36:49 PM
After a short research - there are 3 different products:

1. Knife with the coin
2. coin (limited to 30.000 pieces)
3. coin (limited to 5.000 pieces, with box and certificate)

4. Coin in folder (5.000 pieces)
5. Coin with Signature of the artist (250 pieces)
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Don Pablo on September 27, 2018, 11:34:15 PM
What was that some of you guys were saying about this particular LE set being overpriced? :D
Suddenly, when you account for the cost of the coin.... poof. The LE price makes sense.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 27, 2018, 11:35:53 PM
After a short research - there are 3 different products:

1. Knife with the coin
2. coin (limited to 30.000 pieces)
3. coin (limited to 5.000 pieces, with box and certificate)

4. Coin in folder (5.000 pieces)
5. Coin with Signature of the artist (250 pieces)

It seems that 4. Coin in folder (5.000 pieces) are part of the 30.000 coins...
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 27, 2018, 11:37:26 PM
After a short research - there are 3 different products:

1. Knife with the coin
2. coin (limited to 30.000 pieces)
3. coin (limited to 5.000 pieces, with box and certificate)

4. Coin in folder (5.000 pieces)
5. Coin with Signature of the artist (250 pieces)

It seems that 4. Coin in folder (5.000 pieces) are part of the 30.000 coins...

It seems that 5. Coin with Signature of the artist (250 pieces) are the first 250 of 3. coin (limited to 5.000 pieces, with box and certificate)
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 28, 2018, 12:26:33 AM
What was that some of you guys were saying about this particular LE set being overpriced? :D
Suddenly, when you account for the cost of the coin.... poof. The LE price makes sense.
Most definitely!  :tu:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Marc_in_NS on September 28, 2018, 01:44:15 AM
The coins from the Swiss mint:

30,000 uncirculated examples
5000 Proof examples, broken down into two groups:

1. 4750 Proof coins with certificate in a presentation box
2. 250 proof coins with “signed by the Artist” certificates in a presentation box...
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: McStitchy on September 28, 2018, 02:15:15 AM
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/zz1v8vjwQwTja/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Steinar on September 28, 2018, 01:14:50 PM
I talked to someone who runs a knife store. The demand for these sets has been very high. Her store sold all they got in less than a day.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 28, 2018, 02:19:43 PM
I talked to someone who runs a knife store. The demand for these sets has been very high. Her store sold all they got in less than a day.
Wow, that was fast!
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 28, 2018, 05:12:20 PM
I talked to someone who runs a knife store. The demand for these sets has been very high. Her store sold all they got in less than a day.

The demand was very high. I talked to 6 storeowners. Most knives were reserved before they get them...
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 29, 2018, 05:44:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/oYeLzfJ.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/yFpmbSN.jpg)
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on September 29, 2018, 05:47:52 PM
Oh yeah, like that big time!  :tu:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 29, 2018, 05:53:01 PM
Thanks  :tu:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Wspeed on September 29, 2018, 06:21:27 PM
It is very nice  :dd: :like:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 29, 2018, 06:43:30 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Nick4 on September 29, 2018, 10:17:55 PM
Very good set!  :like:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on September 29, 2018, 10:44:17 PM
Thanks Nick  :tu:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: ulzhan on October 01, 2018, 06:42:14 PM
Just got this set for 99 € here in Munich...
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Wspeed on October 01, 2018, 06:54:02 PM
Nice one ulzhan good price  :like: :tu:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on October 01, 2018, 07:01:41 PM
Just got this set for 99 € here in Munich...

The knife plus coin or both coins?
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Wspeed on October 01, 2018, 07:08:27 PM
Just got this set for 99 € here in Munich...

The knife plus coin or both coins?
Good question I was thinking the knife and coin :think: :tu:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: ulzhan on October 01, 2018, 07:25:10 PM
Knife and coin. They had it in the department store.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Wspeed on October 01, 2018, 07:25:40 PM
Nice one  :like: :tu:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on October 01, 2018, 07:27:33 PM
That's a great price then. I was thinking the two coins were that price.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on October 01, 2018, 08:08:33 PM
Knife and coin. They had it in the department store.

Thanks  :tu: it’s a good price
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Wspeed on October 01, 2018, 08:10:46 PM
I would love to get the coin
But they are very expensive  :rant:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Ron Who on October 01, 2018, 08:21:11 PM
Maybe it helps to think of it not as buying, but as changing to a different currency. You´ll still have the money in your pocket.  :think:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on October 01, 2018, 08:25:02 PM
You´ll still have the money in your pocket.  :think:

Or in a display  :tu:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Wspeed on October 01, 2018, 09:12:33 PM
That’s one way of looking at it  :like: :tu:
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: EMZ on October 06, 2018, 02:07:37 PM
Some are still available in The Netherlands for € 113.75 at www.meesterslijpers.nl/victorinox-karl-elsener-limited-edition-herdenkingsmunt?search=elsener .
Not cheap, but still affordable.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: Rapidray on October 06, 2018, 02:25:17 PM
 :iagree: affordable for sure. Have seen them way higher.
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: dks on October 07, 2018, 10:02:07 PM
Got one for 100 Euro in Austria.

They are still available but selling quickly so I just bought one, though I may be able to get them elsewhere too.

Based on what I was told Swiss people have been buying them in Austria so there must be a shortage.

Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: CeHo on October 07, 2018, 10:37:41 PM
I have heard that 400~500 pieces were available in Germany...
Title: Re: Karl Elsener Gedenkmünze-Set 2018
Post by: marduk on October 08, 2018, 04:32:55 PM
As of today the 250 proof sets from Swiss Mint w/certificate from artist are sold out. The standard proof sets are still available for about $90, postage included.