Post by: Valkie on November 07, 2018, 11:47:00 PM
I'm happy with either of these tools and know them intimately
Yesterday, the young admin girl (about 30, but when you are 60, they seem much younger), asked if I had a knife she could cut her lime with.
without really thinking about it I pulled out my Hercules, opened the knife and handed it to her.
She went to cut the lime and the knife ...sort of.....fell through the fruit.
I keep my knives razor sharp.
The look on her face was a classic, she said she had never used a knife that cut like that.
She then went to clean the blade with a tissue.
Now, I dont know about you people, but I assume as you still have enough fingers to type, you know the right way to clean a very sharp knife.
Well, she didn't, I said stop, quite forcefully, I took the knife from he and showed her the way to hold a knife and how to wipe the blade without losing a finger.
She said is it really that sharp?
I picked up a piece of paper and proceeded to shred it down its full length (you know what I mean)
I said try that with any knife you have, but be careful.
Well, today she came back to me and said she tried it with her sharpest knives at home, and could not get even 1 to do it, they all tore or didnt even get a cut.
I showed her how I could shave my arm with the knife.
Honestly, not many people realise just how sharp a knife can be.
No wonder people get cut by them.
My wife and kids will not touch my knives, they know how sharp they are, but safely handled, there is no problem.
In 60 plus years, I have cut myself perhaps 3 times with one of my knives, usually because I was doing something I shouldnt.
My worst injury was with a tool for removing grout from some tiles.
I will be very careful in future lending my knife, imagine had I not been there to stop her?
Post by: cody6268 on November 08, 2018, 02:08:10 AM
Post by: GrandpaPatch on November 08, 2018, 02:22:38 AM
Post by: smiller43147 on November 08, 2018, 02:54:23 AM
If you hadn't been there to stop her, you wouldn't have given her the sharp knife and she would have used some other dull knife, so no harm done.
Post by: MacGyver on November 08, 2018, 09:21:59 AM
WOW, this is a tough question. Partly because I don't have that many friends. The six friends (3 couples) that I do have already have their own knives and tools. So I have never been asked by a friend to borrow a knife. An acquaintance might ask, but would not receive a knife from me, even if I was standing right there when they used it. Anyone below acquaintance level would only get a silly, quizzical look like "are you f'n kidding me?" I'm don't/won't apologize for this attitude. I have worked hard for every penny I have (which isn't much) and learned a long time ago that when you loan something out expect it to come back to you 1) broken 2) without an apology or good explanation 3) or not returned to you at all (usually due to #1 or #2 or both).
+10 :iagree:
Like I've said countless times before, nothing good ever comes from lending people your stuff.
- At best nothing will happen cause the person is competent in using that item, and... (big "and" here...), the person is respectful and considerate of your property when using it and returning it.
- At worst, any of the issues mentioned in the post above can happen.
So usually if some one asks me to use my sak, ill ask them what they need done and ill do it for them
Post by: chris777 on November 08, 2018, 10:03:57 AM
An acquaintance might ask, but would not receive a knife from me, even if I was standing right there when they used it. Anyone below acquaintance level would only get a silly, quizzical look like "are you f'n kidding me?" I'm don't/won't apologize for this attitude. I have worked hard for every penny I have (which isn't much) and learned a long time ago that when you loan something out expect it to come back to you 1) broken 2) without an apology or good explanation 3) or not returned to you at all (usually due to #1 or #2 or both).
Sigh I only wish I had known people don't take care of stuff, or care if they take care of yours a few years back.
I had gone to look at a used car, and it had a plastic oil stick with the ring broke off I pulled out my deluxe tinker tried using my pliers and maybe a pinch on the awl to try and dig it out to look at it, when the seller asks to let him try. Not thinking I let him ,and dude freaking opens and twist my main blades tip. prying the dip stick out. I was so utterly dumbfounded I did not know what to do or say. So We left.
it wasn't horrible but it was definitely not pristine anymore.
Then A few years later I pulled it from a drawer and one of the scales had warped somehow, and popped off (its cracked where it grips the frame)
I quit using it and switched to Leatherman, for quite some time, until being nudged into a swisstool spirit. which I in tirn used a few more years, till deciding I didnt need the excess weight for how rarely I used the full size pliers.
So I pulled old faithful out of the drawer the other day, and discovered, I can barely find where doofus twistwarped my knife tip.
I wish I knew where to get a cheap scale to replace the damaged one.
I m torn I love the toolset, but I still want something smaller, or more lightweight.
I couldn't send it in under warranty for the warped handle scale could I?(I didn't do it, nor could I blame it on doofus that screwed my blade) OR is it even worth ding with shipping cost
?
Post by: Sawl Goodman on November 08, 2018, 10:29:03 AM
Generally though, I'm careful about who I lend things to. In my experience it helps to be explicit in your expectations of respectful use and return. Otherwise you can be burned for sure. I've learned!
Another thing. I believe in sharing with others I trust because lending favours are often returned. You can't own every tool, etc.
Post by: ReamerPunch on November 08, 2018, 11:08:50 AM
Letting others use your knife
(https://i.imgur.com/oRVCTmm.gif)
Post by: VICMAN on November 08, 2018, 03:23:16 PM
In 60 plus years, I have cut myself perhaps 3 times with one of my knives, usually because I was doing something I shouldnt.
My worst injury was with a tool for removing grout from some tiles.
I will be very careful in future lending my knife, imagine had I not been there to stop her?
I have been carrying knives as long as you and , like you, I keep them razor sharp. It is good that you were watching how she was handling your knife.
When we were growing up more people were used to using a pocket knife and had more respect for what it was capable of.
I agree with Macgyver's statement "So usually if some one asks me to use my sak, ill ask them what they need done and ill do it for them"...that keeps them from getting hurt or abusing my knife.
Post by: Aloha on November 08, 2018, 03:30:06 PM
Post by: pfrsantos on November 08, 2018, 05:03:28 PM
Sometimes, they look puzzled and say:
"But you're using a knife right now!"
I answer:
"Yes, and you can't borrow it..."
8) 8)
Post by: VICMAN on November 08, 2018, 07:58:11 PM
When anyone asks me, I awlways answer: "Sorry, I don't have a knife you can borrow."
Sometimes, they look puzzled and say:
"But you're using a knife right now!"
I answer:
"Yes, and you can't borrow it..."
8) 8)
:like:
Post by: gustophersmob on November 08, 2018, 08:15:36 PM
Letting others use your knife
(https://i.imgur.com/oRVCTmm.gif)
:iagree:
I'll usually be glad to help if someone needs something cut, but letting them use it just isn't worth the risk of potential blood-letting or knife damage. :dunno:
Post by: MacGyver on November 08, 2018, 08:27:15 PM
When anyone asks me, I awlways answer: "Sorry, I don't have a knife you can borrow."
Sometimes, they look puzzled and say:
"But you're using a knife right now!"
I answer:
"Yes, and you can't borrow it..."
8) 8)
:rofl: Bloody brilliant :like:
Post by: Valkie on November 08, 2018, 10:14:43 PM
No possible damage to the knife, but I honestly didn't expect that the most serious damage could be to her :dunno: :dunno:
And while I'm careful with my knives, they are basically tools, they will get worn, damaged and scratched, that's what they are for.
Of course the first scratch is the worst, everyone laments the first real scratch, but tools is tools.
I have a garage full of tools, just about everything that can cut wood or be used to work on cars.
Just about every one has some scratches, marks, damage or wear.
But that's because they are tools.
I have broken tools abusing them, usually in a vain attempt to do something with them that probably should not have been done.
I badly damaged one of my "Quite expensive" wood chisels cutting out a mortise and not realising there was the remains of an old nail in the wood.
Man did I chuck a dummy spit over that little peccadillo.
It took me quite a bit of work to repair said chisel, as well as years of life off it.
for the rough stuff around the house, cutting rough and tumble "anythings" I use this old beast.
Given to me by a customer about 15 years ago.
Its scratched, its messy and its old, but it just keeps on going.
Post by: VICMAN on November 08, 2018, 10:57:43 PM
for the rough stuff around the house, cutting rough and tumble "anythings" I use this old beast.
Given to me by a customer about 15 years ago.
Its scratched, its messy and its old, but it just keeps on going.
It looks like it has held up very well! :cheers:
Post by: Valkie on November 09, 2018, 02:21:42 AM
for the rough stuff around the house, cutting rough and tumble "anythings" I use this old beast.
Given to me by a customer about 15 years ago.
Its scratched, its messy and its old, but it just keeps on going.
It looks like it has held up very well! :cheers:
Yeah, but you cant see the bend in the small knife at the top or the sloppy scissors from cutting wires.
The scales are all scratched as well.
But this is my workhorse, 15 years of abuse and still going strong.
Post by: MacGyver on November 09, 2018, 08:54:16 AM
Yeah, but you cant see the bend in the small knife at the top or the sloppy scissors from cutting wires.
The scales are all scratched as well.
But this is my workhorse, 15 years of abuse and still going strong.
Huh...? I'm confused... That's a Recruit economy... what scissors...? :think:
Post by: Reinier on November 09, 2018, 09:16:00 AM
Yeah, but you cant see the bend in the small knife at the top or the sloppy scissors from cutting wires.
The scales are all scratched as well.
But this is my workhorse, 15 years of abuse and still going strong.
Huh...? I'm confused... That's a Recruit economy... what scissors...? :think:
:popcorn:
Post by: fred2892 on November 09, 2018, 09:30:16 AM
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Post by: Reinier on November 09, 2018, 09:41:27 AM
Post by: EMZ on November 10, 2018, 03:24:21 PM
I told him that he posed the wrong question. The right question should have been: "Why don't I have my OWN knife to open the parcel?"
He looked at me in a stupid way, not knowing what to answer. So I told him that I myself would open the parcel.
When I opened the main blade on my Huntsman, a female co-worker scared up and she said "Oh, that's a WEAPON!" I told her she's a no-brainer, because a Victorinox pocket knife is in fact a TOOL, not a weapon!!
Much of my work time I am surrounded by morons...
Post by: VICMAN on November 10, 2018, 05:33:20 PM
A few weeks ago one of my co-workers asked me if he could use my VX knife to do some cutting (opening a parcel).
I told him that he posed the wrong question. The right question should have been: "Why don't I have my OWN knife to open the parcel?"
He looked at me in a stupid way, not knowing what to answer. So I told him that I myself would open the parcel.
When I opened the main blade on my Huntsman, a female co-worker scared up and she said "Oh, that's a WEAPON!" I told her she's a no-brainer, because a Victorinox pocket knife is in fact a TOOL, not a weapon!!
Much of my work time I am surrounded by morons...
When I was growing up in the 1950's and '60's the average person thought of a pocket knife as a tool. It saddens me that so many people think of them as a weapon now days.
I have carried and used pocket knives since I was 8 years old and there has hardly been a day that I did not find a use for them.
Post by: ThePeacent on November 10, 2018, 06:43:50 PM
Yes but you also can't see any backside tools which is confusing.
the Recruit has no backside tools :dunno:
Post by: Reinier on November 10, 2018, 06:49:43 PM
Yes but you also can't see any backside tools which is confusing.
the Recruit has no backside tools :dunno:
I know that!
But scissors were mentioned. An 84mm SAK with scissors, but no backside tools. A Recruit with an invisible scissors layer... I'll add it to the wiki ;)
Post by: MacGyver on November 10, 2018, 09:28:12 PM
A few weeks ago one of my co-workers asked me if he could use my VX knife to do some cutting (opening a parcel).
I told him that he posed the wrong question. The right question should have been: "Why don't I have my OWN knife to open the parcel?"
He looked at me in a stupid way, not knowing what to answer. So I told him that I myself would open the parcel.
When I opened the main blade on my Huntsman, a female co-worker scared up and she said "Oh, that's a WEAPON!" I told her she's a no-brainer, because a Victorinox pocket knife is in fact a TOOL, not a weapon!!
Much of my work time I am surrounded by morons...
+10... how i understand you mate..... :facepalm:
and it's usually those same morons that asks you to borrow your knife/sak when they need to cut/fix something... It's a sad age we live in, and it just gets sadder by the year... :poh:
Post by: Alan K. on November 11, 2018, 02:07:09 AM
Post by: papadan on November 11, 2018, 07:36:10 PM
Post by: Valkie on November 11, 2018, 10:55:57 PM
Yeah, but you cant see the bend in the small knife at the top or the sloppy scissors from cutting wires.
The scales are all scratched as well.
But this is my workhorse, 15 years of abuse and still going strong.
Huh...? I'm confused... That's a Recruit economy... what scissors...? :think:
Sorry about that
Got it confused with my other old workhorse.
Its a mini, the scissors are really sloppy and Ive had it for about 15 years.
One starts to lump all work horses into the same basket.
This is my mini, and thanks for identifying my knife "Recruit Economy" Is it?
Thanks
Post by: MacGyver on November 12, 2018, 12:15:43 AM
Yeah, but you cant see the bend in the small knife at the top or the sloppy scissors from cutting wires.
The scales are all scratched as well.
But this is my workhorse, 15 years of abuse and still going strong.
Huh...? I'm confused... That's a Recruit economy... what scissors...? :think:
Sorry about that
Got it confused with my other old workhorse.
Its a mini, the scissors are really sloppy and Ive had it for about 15 years.
One starts to lump all work horses into the same basket.
This is my mini, and thanks for identifying my knife "Recruit Economy" Is it?
Thanks
Hey, no problem :cheers:
Yes, that's a Recruit economy with white advertising scales, not very common. The "economy" versions differs from the regular Recruit (or other models) because it's supposed to be a bit cheaper for not having a quality control as tighter as the regular production models, and the scales doesn't have scale tools, or the inlayed metal cross and shield, just a heat stamped one. Other than that its just like a normal Recruit.
Oh, and that "mini" is actually a "Classic" :cheers:
Post by: Pauliachi on November 12, 2018, 08:42:23 AM
Post by: VICMAN on November 12, 2018, 12:38:20 PM
I don’t let anyone borrow my knives, it can get a little awkward sometimes but im ok with that and it usually doesn’t happen again hehe. You build a reputation over time.
Welcome to the forum Pauliachi ! :cheers:
Post by: Valkie on November 13, 2018, 12:03:18 AM
Yeah, but you cant see the bend in the small knife at the top or the sloppy scissors from cutting wires.
The scales are all scratched as well.
But this is my workhorse, 15 years of abuse and still going strong.
Huh...? I'm confused... That's a Recruit economy... what scissors...? :think:
Sorry about that
Got it confused with my other old workhorse.
Its a mini, the scissors are really sloppy and Ive had it for about 15 years.
One starts to lump all work horses into the same basket.
This is my mini, and thanks for identifying my knife "Recruit Economy" Is it?
Thanks
Hey, no problem :cheers:
Yes, that's a Recruit economy with white advertising scales, not very common. The "economy" versions differs from the regular Recruit (or other models) because it's supposed to be a bit cheaper for not having a quality control as tighter as the regular production models, and the scales doesn't have scale tools, or the inlayed metal cross and shield, just a heat stamped one. Other than that its just like a normal Recruit.
Oh, and that "mini" is actually a "Classic" :cheers:
And to think I treat it like I do, oh well its a workhorse.
And a Classic, now I have a name for it.
On the blade the company that gave it to me etched their name, seems quite robust because even with all the abuse I give it, the name has survived.....as has the knife.
The reason I treated it how i did was because without the inlay, I wasn't so sure it was a real Victornox.
But I do treat my new (second hand) Craftsman with much more respect.
It is the knife I have always dreamed of.
Post by: ironraven on November 13, 2018, 01:59:36 AM
Post by: gregozedobe on November 13, 2018, 02:10:54 AM
The number of people who can borrow my knives is about the same as the number of people who can borrow my toothbrush. I tell people that and they shut up.
That pretty well sums it up for me.
I have much the same attitude towards my tools and vehicles as well. Nope, Nope & finally, Nope !
I did have one friend that I would trust with my tools (he was the only one though, and since he moved a long way away there is precisely zero people permitted to borrow my tools).
I'm even a bit twitchy about my missus using any of my "garage" tools (she can be a bit clumsy & self-damaging at times), but there is a "house" toolbox that she has free usage of without supervision (and her own collection of speSmurfpillst craft tools).
Post by: WECSOG on November 13, 2018, 04:12:26 AM
Well yes, there's that. But there's also the fact that I don't know which blade to hand them until I know what they need to cut.
The fact they they apparently think a knife is a knife is a knife, reinforces the first point. :(
Post by: gregozedobe on November 13, 2018, 07:12:10 AM
(and her own collection of speSmurfpillst craft tools).
hmmm, I seem to have offended the all-powerful smurf filter - I was trying to say "s p e c i a l i s t" but that is obviously too much like the #2 ED pill. :rofl:
Post by: Reinier on November 13, 2018, 07:47:15 AM
And I'm wrong.
Post by: Butch on November 13, 2018, 08:06:09 AM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Sawl Goodman on November 13, 2018, 08:08:56 AM
This forum has to have the most amusing swear filter I know of, if also the most (careful now!) a n a l.
Post by: Pauliachi on November 13, 2018, 09:39:39 AM
I don’t let anyone borrow my knives, it can get a little awkward sometimes but im ok with that and it usually doesn’t happen again hehe. You build a reputation over time.
Welcome to the forum Pauliachi ! :cheers:
Thank you! Glad to be here.
Post by: Shuya on November 13, 2018, 10:12:00 AM
Besides that I ask her why she doesnt carry a knife on her own, gave her a nice collection of knifes and tools for her own buisiness. Including a Spyderco tuquois copa which she loves :whistle:
Other than that: noone gets my knifes. Too many stupid comments after handling them or damaged tools in the past.
Post by: Don Pablo on November 13, 2018, 10:36:35 AM
That’s never happened before this occasion, as far as I know. :think: What changed?
Post by: Reinier on November 13, 2018, 10:39:38 AM
SpeSmurfpillst? :rofl:
That’s never happened before this occasion, as far as I know. :think: What changed?
Updated word filter?
Specialist should be added to the whitelist, if possible.
Post by: Don Pablo on November 13, 2018, 10:42:46 AM
Look carefully: it censors it to “smurfpills”. :rofl: That must have been on purpose!
Post by: Whoey on November 13, 2018, 11:06:47 AM
Post by: pfrsantos on November 13, 2018, 12:12:45 PM
The number of people who can borrow my knives is about the same as the number of people who can borrow my toothbrush. I tell people that and they shut up.
Careful. You might get someone to say: "Oh, good idea. Lend me your knife and your tooth brush!"
:D :D :D :D
Post by: MacGyver on November 13, 2018, 01:19:27 PM
I've had people get their feelings hurt when they ask to borrow my knife and I ask them what they need to cut with it. The assumption being that I don't trust them to not damage my knife.
Well yes, there's that. But there's also the fact that I don't know which blade to hand them until I know what they need to cut.
The fact they they apparently think a knife is a knife is a knife, reinforces the first point. :(
So very true... :-\
In my experience, when you lent a sak to someone who is not a sak user, the very first tendency is for them to pull out the main blade no matter what they want to do, be it cutting"whatever", prying, scraping, poking, even screw driving... It drives me nuts :poh:
They don't even investigate what other tools/implements the knife has, they just assume a blade can be used for anything, and some scratches, dings and chips done to it from that use is no big deal, "..it's just a knife..."
When i need something done with my sak's i know exactly which tool to pull out that will suit the job in hand, and avoid damaging the tool and the sak, unless its an actual emergency and some sacrifices must be made. Anything that is not a real emergency that's obviously going to damage my knife can wait till i get propper tools to work on it.
A while ago i was on my father in law's car and the car's cigarette lighter got stuck, he asked if i had my knife with me, instead of lending it to him, i just flipped the can opener and gently pry'd the lighter out. I new if I've given it to him for him to do it, he would had just pull out the main blade and pry'd with it... :-\
Post by: ddogu on November 13, 2018, 01:45:09 PM
Even my nerdest frieds do that, unbelievable. And then they say "Oh this is sharp..."
But mostly I don't let others use my tools. They do not appreciate them or know their value or how to use them properly and thus damage or break the tools. Happened to me more than once. >:(
Post by: dvd8n on November 13, 2018, 03:08:29 PM
I'll ask them what they want it for and show them how to get the appropriate tool out and use it, I'll tell them that the blades are sharp, to be careful of the slip joint, and if they look particularly incompetent I'll tell them not to cut towards themselves, then I'll let them get on with it. I will keep an eye on them and intervene if they are doing something stupid but as far as I'm concerned people have to learn and it may create a new enthusiast.
And if the tool picks up a few blemishes that's fine too as long as it's not caused by misuse.
Post by: ThePeacent on November 13, 2018, 04:16:42 PM
too many bad results and experiences, now again it's time,
to show you awl my mantra, my new "knife lending rhyme"
so here you have it, my learnings, my one fifth of a dime
To use my personal knife,
you'd have to be my wife
to have my multitool, being your neighbor,
you will have to show exemplary behavior :pok:
most times they see you use a blade at work,
they will react badly and comment like a dork :shrug:
if you pull out and use your one handed knife in front of your mates,
they sometimes start to run agitated as if hell had opened its gates ???
so if one day you are in great need of having something cut
and you ask for my own knife let me do it myself or shut up
why fewer people carry today is not an enigma,
news, TV and society make us bear an stigma :(
most people I know won't be let near my knives, it's not because I am mad
but just because many of them, stupidity drives, and will cut themselves bad :facepalm:
so in the end I want my tool to be perfect when given back
if not you'll pay for damage, tools ain't free, what the f*ck?! ;)
:hatsoff:
Post by: DEMartin on November 13, 2018, 05:18:34 PM
I have learned that blade lending can be seen as a crime,:salute:
too many bad results and experiences, now again it's time,
to show you awl my mantra, my new "knife lending rhyme"
so here you have it, my learnings, my one fifth of a dime
To use my personal knife,
you'd have to be my wife
to have my multitool, being your neighbor,
you will have to show exemplary behavior :pok:
most times they see you use a blade at work,
they will react badly and comment like a dork :shrug:
if you pull out and use your one handed knife in front of your mates,
they sometimes start to run agitated as if hell had opened its gates ???
so if one day you are in great need of having something cut
and you ask for my own knife let me do it myself or shut up
why fewer people carry today is not an enigma,
news, TV and society make us bear an stigma :(
most people I know won't be let near my knives, it's not because I am mad
but just because many of them, stupidity drives, and will cut themselves bad :facepalm:
so in the end I want my tool to be perfect when given back
if not you'll pay for damage, tools ain't free, what the f*ck?! ;)
:hatsoff:
Post by: WECSOG on November 13, 2018, 08:13:56 PM
I've had people get their feelings hurt when they ask to borrow my knife and I ask them what they need to cut with it. The assumption being that I don't trust them to not damage my knife.
Well yes, there's that. But there's also the fact that I don't know which blade to hand them until I know what they need to cut.
The fact they they apparently think a knife is a knife is a knife, reinforces the first point. :(
So very true... :-\
In my experience, when you lent a sak to someone who is not a sak user, the very first tendency is for them to pull out the main blade no matter what they want to do, be it cutting"whatever", prying, scraping, poking, even screw driving... It drives me nuts :poh:
They don't even investigate what other tools/implements the knife has, they just assume a blade can be used for anything, and some scratches, dings and chips done to it from that use is no big deal, "..it's just a knife..."
When i need something done with my sak's i know exactly which tool to pull out that will suit the job in hand, and avoid damaging the tool and the sak, unless its an actual emergency and some sacrifices must be made. Anything that is not a real emergency that's obviously going to damage my knife can wait till i get propper tools to work on it.
A while ago i was on my father in law's car and the car's cigarette lighter got stuck, he asked if i had my knife with me, instead of lending it to him, i just flipped the can opener and gently pry'd the lighter out. I new if I've given it to him for him to do it, he would had just pull out the main blade and pry'd with it... :-\
:tu: