Post by: David Bowen on January 05, 2024, 06:01:04 PM
Post by: SteveC on January 05, 2024, 06:05:00 PM
The Turnbox does a great job and is very inexpensive compared most other systems.
Post by: David Bowen on January 05, 2024, 06:25:38 PM
Post by: Aloha on January 05, 2024, 06:45:14 PM
I looked at the other options listed as well but so far the cost vs benefits for me are not there and normally not needed for my purposes. I have whetstones and diamond plates that have been more than enough for my needs. I also love a good strop.
Early on I used the term sharpening for what I was doing with my edges. A great example is with SAKs. Once the edge was not cutting as I liked I would run the blade on my Turn Box or Sharpmakers ceramic rods. I called this process sharpening. As time went by I understood differently.
Honing for me is realigning the edge. Sharpening is creating a new edge.
Sharpening is removing a fair amount of steel. I've repaired a lot of knives over the years. Meaning, taking a knife that has chips or a terrible grind and I'd make a new bevel. I have also changed the degree of the edge from 20 degree per side to 17 or a V grind to Convex. I've thinned out quite a few knives behind the edge as well.
Sorry to get off track.
I am always interested in what people use and why they use these systems. I also love to hear about people changing factory edges to what fits their needs best. I love to see people tweaking their edges in many ways.
Post by: David Bowen on January 05, 2024, 07:03:39 PM
you are indeed correct. I too do more honing than sharpening on the daily, with sharpening only happening when I'm trying to fix something or change an angle. I feel it's not something discussed too much on here, and can be a deep rabbit hole if one goes looking. Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk
Post by: Aloha on January 05, 2024, 07:32:31 PM
I love seeing all the amazing equipment people use. I watch a few folks online and what I am happy to see are terrific results from a variety of equipment.
There is something to be learned from those who enjoy the sharpening process. I look forward to what your experiences are.
Post by: RF52 on January 05, 2024, 11:36:29 PM
Post by: sir_mike on January 06, 2024, 12:20:06 AM
That said, one of my favorites is still a set of discontinued Spyderco 701MF stones, which I have two sets of.
Post by: Poncho65 on January 06, 2024, 01:05:02 AM
Post by: David Bowen on January 06, 2024, 02:03:42 AM
I have a few different ones I play with. I have a Sharpmaker, with med, fine and x-fine stones, Lansky 4 stone Tool box, DMT diamond guided system in x-course to x-fine, DMT bench stone set and a Worksharp guided pocket one as well as the Worksharp Precision Adjust (haven't tried this one yet).Why are these discontinued? It's the same set I've used for over a decade
That said, one of my favorites is still a set of discontinued Spyderco 701MF stones, which I have two sets of.
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 06, 2024, 02:36:05 AM
JR
Post by: sir_mike on January 06, 2024, 04:32:46 AM
Why are these discontinued? It's the same set I've used for over a decade
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I am not sure why they were discontinued but if memory serves, it was around 2017/2018 and in 2018 was when I picked up that new set for a backup! It would have been cool if they made a holder for them and just kept producing them!
They also have a half size set called something like 702MF (not sure number is right) and I have a set of them somewhere but haven't seen them in a long time so probably lost them!
Post by: BlindFarmer on January 06, 2024, 04:55:17 AM
Post by: IMR4198 on January 08, 2024, 01:13:54 PM
I use Arkansas stones at home. I have four of them that used to be glued to a display in a store. When the store went down the tubes, I bought the things from someone for a couple of dollars. Seconds. Back of the stones were covered with contact cement, so I just put them back-to-back and made two sets of sharpening stones. Hard. Soft. Two medium types. I finish things off with a razor hone. It is what is commonly called a black Arkansas. Smooth as a piece of marble. Bought it at a flea market. Don't remember any details.
All of these things aren't very portable, so I keep a small ceramic rod in my belt pack. A piece of tubular industrial scrap. Someone gave it to me ages ago. Might post a boring photo. Maybe not. Best wishes. G
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Post by: David Bowen on January 09, 2024, 12:07:16 AM
For about 15 years I was strictly a Sharpmaker guy, and from poll results on Facebook it seems 25% of those who voted are the same. I'm just now dabbling into other sharpeners and it's crazy how far down the rabbit hole one can go.
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Post by: AzteCypher on January 09, 2024, 06:23:29 AM
Post by: gra_farmer on January 09, 2024, 08:43:01 AM
I am one of those infuriating people that can get crazy edges on bladed tools with very little effort, and with simplistic kit.
Once I have the edge I want, I top up the edge by stropping.
I would love to try a worksharp one of these days, but not worth me buying as I don't need a system to help me.
Post by: Shuya on January 09, 2024, 12:13:22 PM
Post by: Aloha on January 09, 2024, 04:18:30 PM
While I can work on a whetstone I'm still very much learning. I also have Arkansas stones I use sometimes.
Post by: Shuya on January 09, 2024, 05:24:07 PM
gra_farmer and Shuya :2tu:
While I can work on a whetstone I'm still very much learning. I also have Arkansas stones I use sometimes.
I have a full set of sharpening equipment.
Including japanese waterstones, several nature stones up to 3000grit and two strops.
Was a sharpening junkie years ago. Polished hairpopping edges freehand on a stone.
And at one point I realized there is simply no need for that and I began to use pocket sharpeners more often and I am happy with a good useable edge.
My blades are not dull, I can sharpen to shaving sharp with ease on these tools.
I just dont overdo anymore.
Post by: BlindFarmer on January 09, 2024, 05:36:03 PM
I have a full set of sharpening equipment.
Including japanese waterstones, several nature stones up to 3000grit and two strops.
Was a sharpening junkie years ago. Polished hairpopping edges freehand on a stone.
And at one point I realized there is simply no need for that and I began to use pocket sharpeners more often and I am happy with a good useable edge.
My blades are not dull, I can sharpen to shaving sharp with ease on these tools.
I just dont overdo anymore.
That is me in that I do not overthink it anymore. Sometimes in sharpening I feel we overthink it. Gotta have the latest tool in the sharpening phase. When diamond stones came out, all of a sudden your 50 year old oil stone is not good enough. For me a good daily use working edge is good enough. The Lansky Blade Medic does anything I need to do. I would rather maintain my blade with a few strokes with the Blade Medic rather than let it dull and spend 10 minutes with a wet stone.
Post by: Aloha on January 09, 2024, 06:50:38 PM
All aspects of sharpening steel is as fun as the steels themselves. Once you have an edge you're happy with maintaining is all that really needs to be done IMO. Damage can happen even with those who use their knives lightly. Knowing how to sharpen is a good skill to have and the right equipment can make that job easier and efficient with the results expected.
Post by: David Bowen on January 09, 2024, 11:46:54 PM
My father-in-law gifted me the Lansky guided diamond system so that's been my go-to for several years now.I'm going to check it the Lansky system, it's a simplistic way get the same results as a KME or similar. One can go as Lansky all the way to Wicked Edge.
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Post by: David Bowen on January 09, 2024, 11:50:32 PM
Fällkniven DC4, Victorinox Diamond Sharpener, Strop, Wetpaper, Teamug...whatever is at hand.Never underestimate the tea mug, great for touch ups on those carbon steel folders and the like.
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Post by: David Bowen on January 09, 2024, 11:55:06 PM
That is me in that I do not overthink it anymore. Sometimes in sharpening I feel we overthink it. Gotta have the latest tool in the sharpening phase. When diamond stones came out, all of a sudden your 50 year old oil stone is not good enough. For me a good daily use working edge is good enough. The Lansky Blade Medic does anything I need to do. I would rather maintain my blade with a few strokes with the Blade Medic rather than let it dull and spend 10 minutes with a wet stone.
Everything does feel like a competition, who can out do who. Regular stones like oil still have thier place, I think diamonds became more common place because newer steels would take a very long time on traditional methods. The blade medic is what I think @Aloha said, easier to maintain an edge before it gets to the point you have to "sharpen", which is me in most cases.
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Post by: David Bowen on January 09, 2024, 11:58:04 PM
As steels for knives changed so did the methods to sharpen. High carbide steels do require abrasives best suited for them. Sure the steel junkies also love to have a play with equipment but there is something to it all as well.Sharpening freehand is something I definitely need to get better at. I can get a knife sharp enough to cut paper cleaning, but shaving is just out of reach. I've got a few diamond cards that will fit in a wallet, 3 different grits. Maybe I need to practice on them, that or I can use a Sharpmaker rod. There's something very satisfying about getting something really sharp with nothing but a stone and skill.
All aspects of sharpening steel is as fun as the steels themselves. Once you have an edge you're happy with maintaining is all that really needs to be done IMO. Damage can happen even with those who use their knives lightly. Knowing how to sharpen is a good skill to have and the right equipment can make that job easier and efficient with the results expected.
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Post by: Antti Lammi on January 10, 2024, 01:32:12 PM
Post by: sparkyv on January 10, 2024, 02:30:41 PM
Post by: David Bowen on January 10, 2024, 04:56:23 PM
I think a lot of people have more than one method, either because they have tried different ones to find what suits the situation best. Or maybe they like a variety when picking them because there not a one size fits all type of thing.
Take the Smith tri-hone they use in the meat dept here at work. I can get the knives they use in the depts pretty sharp, enough to get get the job done. But it's not something I would use on some of my other knives, say like the Vosteed Griffin I'm carrying now. It's a hawkbill style blade, and I would need my Sharpmaker or a rod sharpener to properly sharpen.
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Post by: Poncho65 on January 11, 2024, 05:38:33 PM
Here is the link to that thread about sharpening gear :tu:
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,67335.msg1303124.html#msg1303124
And the link to my pic of most of my sharpening gear :whistle: I think I have a few more things now but basically the next post of mine down explains how and what I use. It is pretty much the same to this day :tu:
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,67335.msg1308722.html#msg1308722
Post by: SteveC on January 12, 2024, 02:04:32 PM
Post by: Poncho65 on January 12, 2024, 04:46:17 PM
Post by: David Bowen on January 12, 2024, 06:14:45 PM
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Post by: Poncho65 on January 12, 2024, 08:49:42 PM
So, I just had to have one from all the older members recommendations :D
I also have added a a Fallkniven DC4, some EZE branded credit card diamond sharpeners, different Arkansas stone sharpeners and probably some other stuff I have forgotten about since that picture feom the other thread. My explanation of how I sharpen is still basically the same though :cheers:
Post by: temo on January 13, 2024, 01:24:53 PM
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Post by: David Bowen on January 13, 2024, 09:27:09 PM
I also need to note that I had no clue about the Spyderco Sharpmaker until I joined :MTO:I may have gotten the Sharpmaker because of mto, don't remember. It's such a reliable system and does a good job at maintaining an edge.
So, I just had to have one from all the older members recommendations :D
I also have added a a Fallkniven DC4, some EZE branded credit card diamond sharpeners, different Arkansas stone sharpeners and probably some other stuff I have forgotten about since that picture feom the other thread. My explanation of how I sharpen is still basically the same though :cheers:
@temo I've got a work sharp field sharpener on the way, curious to see how it performs.
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Post by: D-Eg on January 13, 2024, 09:48:51 PM
Post by: David Bowen on April 06, 2024, 04:39:54 AM
I can push cut paper and hair jumps from my arm. I can get similar results with other systems but I'm impressed. I really think the ceramic/strop is what took it next level. Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk
Post by: Singh on April 22, 2024, 01:22:20 PM
I tip my hat to the sharpening gurus who get razor sharp edges from using ceramic mugs, car windows, or sharpening rods. All those methods require that you hold the knife at exactly the right angle, or they don’t work worth a poop. I’m just not that steady.
The only things I sharpen by hand are my mora knives and scissors, because the bevel is big enough for me to follow accurately with a diamond sharpening card.
Post by: David Bowen on April 22, 2024, 07:24:34 PM
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Post by: IMR4198 on April 22, 2024, 07:40:05 PM
I was over at his house one day and noticed he was using my black Arkansas razor hone. I remembered showing it to him one time and evidently, he just kept it. Never said a word about having it. I never missed having it, or I would have done my usual 'turn the house upside down looking for it routine.' He offered to buy it. I said nu-uh.
Best wishes. G
;)
Post by: David Bowen on April 23, 2024, 03:02:37 PM
Before the Sharpmaker I would use a tapered diamond file, and it would absolutely butcher things.
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Post by: algernonramone on May 13, 2024, 06:16:55 PM
Quite good multisharpening / smaller tool for all purpose sharpening tasks.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240113/2401224d3b5b2a816f08f7dbf567f28a.jpg)
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This one's my favorite, I use it for all my sharpening right now. Like to get a bigger/better system someday, but for now this does the job, and does it well.
Post by: Doc on May 14, 2024, 07:08:36 PM
Post by: chip on May 15, 2024, 03:38:25 PM
A work sharp Ken onion elite I use on my axe and large knives I wish to put a convex edge on.
A work sharp professional precision adjust for larger pocket knives.
Then a world of whetstones and diamond plates, some guided some not I use for smaller kitchen, pocket and scandi grind knives.
I love sharpening knives and I am still learning to sharpen free hand. And given all family members previously bought cheap kitchen knives, used them till
They were completely blunt before replacing them they were happy for me to practice which ever sharpening method I pleased with them because I was saving them money. and it would not matter if I made a dogs dinner of them (never have yet) because they would have been destined for the bin if I hadn’t offered to sharpen them for free.
Post by: chip on May 15, 2024, 03:44:36 PM
Which I don’t need as it does not do anything I can’t do on my mark 1, but it is easier and quicker to adjust with an easier to precisely set speed controller.
I keep telling myself I don’t need it but I don’t know how long I can resist.
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Post by: David Bowen on May 16, 2024, 12:14:38 PM
This one's my favorite, I use it for all my sharpening right now. Like to get a bigger/better system someday, but for now this does the job, and does it well.Nothing wrong with the Field Sharpener. I have one, and it's one of WS"s best selling items for a reason. Mine doesn't get used no where as much as it should. It takes the simplicity of freehand, and gives a little assistance for those new to sharpening.
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Post by: David Bowen on May 16, 2024, 12:16:58 PM
I have the Work Sharp Precision Adjust Elite, and Field Sharpener, some Lansky Pucks (love ‘em), and a Norton oil stone (love it). My sharpening skills are definitely not a strong point, but I muddle my way through most of my collection okay because I am definitely not a knife steel snob. The vast majority of my knives are 1095, so I don’t need to be particularly proficient. I do want to add this, hoping I don’t get kicked of this thread for posting abomination, but after decades of muddling my way through better or worse sharpening attempts, I have discovered the absolute joy of relying VERY heavily on utility blades. I always have a knife and an MT on me, and it varies day to day as to which. However, over the past year or so I have become a utility blade kool-aid drinker. I use them for at least 80% of my cutting tasks, and they cut much better than any blade I can sharpen. I think my favorite aspect is when I notice a decline in slicing ability, just spinning the blade around or changing it out in less than a minute, including the walk to the box of blades. Cool? Nope. Lazy? Maybe. I have my BK 2, 7, 14, 18, et al, for extraordinary (for me) tasks, but given day to day cutting chores, I don’t need to sharpen any more, which I think is a very good thing.Nothing wrong with utility blades, many people use them in place of knives that need sharpening. Sharpening is a skill that some people have yet to master, and utility blade knives are popular for that reason. Plus there's a host of blades with titanium all the way to DeWalt carbide. They can often have as good an edge retention as a good modern steel.
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Post by: David Bowen on May 16, 2024, 12:18:45 PM
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Post by: David Bowen on May 16, 2024, 12:21:10 PM
I’ve been using a DMT Aligner set for a long while. It seems to work pretty good for most my knives. I’ve tried a couple other systems, but seeing that most my knives are pocket knives it seems to work well. I have replaced a couple of the stones.I've yet to check out a DMT Aligner, maybe this fall I'll get the chance. It's similar in function to the Lansky/Gatco I feel. DMT makes good products, I hear people complain about quality from time to time but nothing crazy.
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Post by: chip on May 16, 2024, 12:23:08 PM
Nothing wrong with the Field Sharpener. I have one, and it's one of WS"s best selling items for a reason. Mine doesn't get used no where as much as it should. It takes the simplicity of freehand, and gives a little assistance for those new to sharpening.
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I have been using the field sharpener for my traditional knives. What works best for me is rather than grip the end, I lay it flat on the palm of my hand.
That way it does not wobble and it stops me from using too much pressure..
Post by: chip on May 16, 2024, 12:25:59 PM
https://youtu.be/1R0zWkb2k6s?si=rItYEUnQPu3S2KJp
Post by: Antti Lammi on May 16, 2024, 12:43:14 PM
Post by: chip on May 16, 2024, 12:53:41 PM
So until you perfect your consistency of pass keep it finer and belt speed slower. Then once you get your confidence you increase the speed to your sweet spot.
And start on knives that it does not matter if you dou ruin them. I am quite proficient but still would worry about sharpening an expensivie knife for now because I’m not “muscle memory” good yet.
Post by: chip on May 16, 2024, 12:58:11 PM
I have the mk1 and it took some practice. Because if you are using a coarse grit or have the belt running too fast it’s easy to remove to much metal.
So until you perfect your consistency of pass keep it finer and belt speed slower. Then once you get your confidence you increase the speed to your sweet spot.
And start on knives that it does not matter if you you ruin them. I am quite proficient but still would worry about sharpening an expensive knife for now because I’m not “muscle memory” good yet.
Post by: AzteCypher on May 16, 2024, 03:27:01 PM
Post by: pfrsantos on May 16, 2024, 04:31:16 PM
I picked up a used Mk1 but I still need to learn how to use it. Give it a bit of a go on my lawnmower blade and I did ok. Definitely need more practice before I start using it on my nice knives.That's what kitchen knives and Opinels are for.
:pok: :pok:
Post by: chip on May 16, 2024, 05:47:32 PM
That's what kitchen knives and Opinels are for.
:pok: :pok:
And even better if you can learn on other peoples kitchen knives like I did :rofl:
Post by: AzteCypher on May 16, 2024, 06:20:47 PM
Post by: chip on May 16, 2024, 06:36:39 PM
I actually do have a few I can practice on. Need to make time this weekend.
:tu: practice makes perfect.
Post by: chip on May 16, 2024, 06:51:31 PM
I am getting better at stropping but no way as good as I would like to be, so found making a few passes on a very fine ceramic rod was excellent at knocking off the burrs.
Post by: Mike 56 on May 16, 2024, 07:36:53 PM
Post by: chip on May 16, 2024, 08:56:53 PM
And then a quick spray and wipe down when I am done keeps them clean.
Also any glass cleaner residue left behind evaporates much quicker than water. Never had any problems with rust.
I too use chopping board oil on all my knives as it’s very cheap and food safe.
Post by: Sos24 on May 16, 2024, 11:05:58 PM
I've yet to check out a DMT Aligner, maybe this fall I'll get the chance. It's similar in function to the Lansky/Gatco I feel. DMT makes good products, I hear people complain about quality from time to time but nothing crazy.It is very similar to both Lansky and Gatco. I had picked up at a state fair after a demonstration and just find it works for my needs. I’ve thought of trying the Lansky, but because of the similarities just wasn’t sure how much I’d can.
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