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Tool Talk => General Tool Discussion => Topic started by: Grant Lamontagne on June 11, 2019, 12:30:06 PM
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It seems that we have a pretty good debate going on in the MTO Group on Facebook, and I figured I would bring it over here as well.
Aaron Mallott has asked what everyone prefers between these two:
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=81840.0;attach=437120;image)
Pretty straight forward question- let's hear your thoughts!
Def
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Rambler totally bets those two.
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Rambler totally bets those two.
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Yes need to have phillips. Rambler vs micra would be more tough. 2D phillips versus small 3d phillips.
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:iagree:
:imws:
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Micra or Executive for me.
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Between those two I did prefer the Micra for quite a while. The Philips and to me better blade as well as the classic LM style were a few reasons.
These days though I do carry an alox Mini Champ.
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While I like both the Micra and the Classic, it's the Rambler that I carry far more often.
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Another vote for Rambler/Manager here
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:iagree: But even between Micra and Classic i would go with the Classic, considering my poor experience with my Micra.
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Between Micra and Classic i prefer more Micra than Classic. Micra just have more suitable tools for me than Classic. Tho i carry Micra and Rambler with me on keychain all the time but i use Micra more often than Rambler
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MiniChamp here along with SwissChamp. They pretty much go where I go ..................'cept the shower :dunno: :hatsoff:
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MiniChamp here along with SwissChamp. They pretty much go where I go ..................'cept the shower :dunno: :hatsoff:
I could think of a couple of situations where you need a screwdriver under the shower :pok:
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Classic.
A lot of punch in a small package.
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And another vote for the Rambler/Manager here.
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I could think of a couple of situations where you need a screwdriver under the shower :pok:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/vbblzUfCL0h7q/giphy.gif)
Hey, dont laugh. I just got stuck in a bathroom this past Sunday. I was in an old house. It had an old-style mortise lock and skeleton key. Thank God I had my Rebar on my belt!
Extra key with someone on the outside using it wouldnt work. I wanted to cause as little damage as possible, so I tried to disassemble the knob and escutcheon plate. Got me nowhere. Prying the bolt wouldnt move it. Removed one hinge pin off the door but couldn't get the other to budge and broke my Rebar flathead screwdriver in the process.
Finally I started sawing where the box keep met the doorjamb and eventually got free.
Then I went to the beach to cool off
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For me, I prefer the Micra on my keychain, but the PS4 is a close second. If they made the PS4 like the Micra, or they made a Micra as plyers instead of scissors, that would be it for sure. Just not a fan of the matte finishes of the PS4 as much as I like the bare bones polished stainless of the Micra.
For my Beagle, Scout, I have a BSA Classic that I clip to his harness or collar when we hike. And one of his collars is a Kurgo, which has a bottle opener built right in!
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Though I did edc a Micra for a few years long, long time ago, I think I'd still say Classic. The size/weight vs tool efficiency is just great with Classic.
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Hey, dont laugh. I just got stuck in a bathroom this past Sunday. I was in an old house. It had an old-style mortise lock and skeleton key. Thank God I had my Rebar on my belt!
Extra key with someone on the outside using it wouldnt work. I wanted to cause as little damage as possible, so I tried to disassemble the knob and escutcheon plate. Got me nowhere. Prying the bolt wouldnt move it. Removed one hinge pin off the door but couldn't get the other to budge and broke my Rebar flathead screwdriver in the process.
Finally I started sawing where the box keep met the doorjamb and eventually got free.
Then I went to the beach to cool off
:rofl: ... sorry :dwts:
Great job using your Rebar to break free Thunda... even if the flathead broke :hatsoff:
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Another vote for Manager/Rambler. I've had one on my keyring for years...ironically my most carried SAK/multi :ahhh
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Hey, dont laugh. I just got stuck in a bathroom this past Sunday. I was in an old house. It had an old-style mortise lock and skeleton key. Thank God I had my Rebar on my belt!
Extra key with someone on the outside using it wouldnt work. I wanted to cause as little damage as possible, so I tried to disassemble the knob and escutcheon plate. Got me nowhere. Prying the bolt wouldnt move it. Removed one hinge pin off the door but couldn't get the other to budge and broke my Rebar flathead screwdriver in the process.
Finally I started sawing where the box keep met the doorjamb and eventually got free.
Then I went to the beach to cool off
And this is (just one reason) why we carry MTs! Good job getting out of there :tu:
Sorry, back to topic :pok:
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I could think of a couple of situations where you need a screwdriver under the shower :pok:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/vbblzUfCL0h7q/giphy.gif)
:twak: :twak: :twak: :dwts: :dwts:
Hey, dont laugh. I just got stuck in a bathroom this past Sunday. I was in an old house. It had an old-style mortise lock and skeleton key. Thank God I had my Rebar on my belt!
Extra key with someone on the outside using it wouldnt work. I wanted to cause as little damage as possible, so I tried to disassemble the knob and escutcheon plate. Got me nowhere. Prying the bolt wouldnt move it. Removed one hinge pin off the door but couldn't get the other to budge and broke my Rebar flathead screwdriver in the process.
Finally I started sawing where the box keep met the doorjamb and eventually got free.
Then I went to the beach to cool off
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Ok now I gotta carry them to the shower ..........( sigh ) :dunno:
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Manager is my choice with my Squirt P4 a very close second.
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:twak: :twak: :twak: :dwts: :dwts:
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Ok now I gotta carry them to the shower ..........( sigh ) :dunno:
I know I'm gonna regret this ...................but I'm having a devil of a time trying to figger a way to carry the SwissChamp while nekkid .............. :dwts: :sa: :dunno:
:pok:
:rofl: :rofl:
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Thanks Butch. Now i have a lot of pictures in my head and none of them are...shall we say...comfy... :facepalm:
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I know I'm gonna regret this ...................but I'm having a devil of a time trying to figger a way to carry the SwissChamp while nekkid .............. :dwts: :sa: :dunno:
:pok:
:rofl: :rofl:
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So, with laughs out of the way, Imma gonna ruin this one.
Neck lanyard. :pok:
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Thanks Butch. Now i have a lot of pictures in my head and none of them are...shall we say...comfy... :facepalm:
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:D :D
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:rofl:
So, with laughs out of the way, Imma gonna ruin this one.
Neck lanyard. :pok:
I'm picturing a very long neck lanyard so I don't have to picture anything else :rofl: :facepalm:
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Another one for the Rambler here - coupled with a Farmer it covers most dailty tasks for me.
Does anyone have some eye bleach they could splash on me please before the image of Butch in the shower burns itself onto my poor retinas :ahhh
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Interestingly enough, the voting for the original two tools is currently 6-2 in favor of the Micra. I find that fascinating, because this is (as I stated on FB) one of the very few times I prefer Leatherman over Victorinox. And, oddly enough, it isn't even something I have to think about, other than the slightly smaller package and lighter weight, I really can't think of any reason at all that I prefer the Classic, despite it's absolute (and justified) iconic status.
The Micra has screwdrivers, and the Classic doesn't, so regardless of how useful they may be, they are far better than ones that don't exist. And, the Classic SD, which does add a screwdriver tip really seems less like adding a function as it is ruining the tip of the nail file, which I use often. I also prefer the texture of the nail file on the Micra.
The knife blades both work well, and I have seen some pretty major stuff done with the small blade on a Classic, but I prefer the slightly more robust blade on the Micra.
The scissors are exceptional on the Classic as well, and they were the standard for Leatherman scissors. Tim Leatherman once said that if he couldn't put scissors as good as the ones on a Victorinox knife on his tools then he didn't want to put any in it. The Micra scissors are excellent, and a total win for LM, but they get this point (in my mind) for sheer size and ease of use.
And there's not much point in discussing tweezers- the Classic's beat the Micra's hands down. The Micra's tweezers are useful, but not in the same league as Victorinox, nor does the Micra have a toothpick. But, as I always have my Compact with me I have tweezers and toothpick already and don't need them on my keys as well.
So those are my reasons for picking the Micra. I honestly can't think of too many other tools that I would pick LM over Victorinox though... they both build great tools, but Victorinox just goes that extra mile to make them that much better!
Def
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Well said, Def
However, I may have to disagree about the tweezers. The Micra tweezers are robust, if a little less easy to use because they are attached to the tool.
I've removed many a tick from the dogs with the Micra tweezers. I feel that the Vic tweezers require me to "choke up" on them and grasp them very close to the business end in order to be able to get a good grip on certain items.
And the Vic tweezers fall into one of my pet peeve categories: little tools and bits that can be removed and subsequently dropped and lost. But truth be told, they are not the same as losing a screwdriver bit in my book. So I still like them, I just think the Micra is tons more robust in every way, for not much more size, weight and money
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(https://i.imgur.com/GQHc070.jpg)
I prefer the Manager. But all of them could benefit with a real flat driver.
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Interestingly enough, the voting for the original two tools is currently 6-2 in favor of the Micra. I find that fascinating, because this is (as I stated on FB) one of the very few times I prefer Leatherman over Victorinox. And, oddly enough, it isn't even something I have to think about, other than the slightly smaller package and lighter weight, I really can't think of any reason at all that I prefer the Classic, despite it's absolute (and justified) iconic status.
The Micra has screwdrivers, and the Classic doesn't, so regardless of how useful they may be, they are far better than ones that don't exist. And, the Classic SD, which does add a screwdriver tip really seems less like adding a function as it is ruining the tip of the nail file, which I use often. I also prefer the texture of the nail file on the Micra.
The knife blades both work well, and I have seen some pretty major stuff done with the small blade on a Classic, but I prefer the slightly more robust blade on the Micra.
The scissors are exceptional on the Classic as well, and they were the standard for Leatherman scissors. Tim Leatherman once said that if he couldn't put scissors as good as the ones on a Victorinox knife on his tools then he didn't want to put any in it. The Micra scissors are excellent, and a total win for LM, but they get this point (in my mind) for sheer size and ease of use.
And there's not much point in discussing tweezers- the Classic's beat the Micra's hands down. The Micra's tweezers are useful, but not in the same league as Victorinox, nor does the Micra have a toothpick. But, as I always have my Compact with me I have tweezers and toothpick already and don't need them on my keys as well.
So those are my reasons for picking the Micra. I honestly can't think of too many other tools that I would pick LM over Victorinox though... they both build great tools, but Victorinox just goes that extra mile to make them that much better!
Def
Most people here seem to prefer Rambler/Manager over the Micra. Not many really mentioned the classic though :dunno:
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That's because this is MTO and when given a choice of A or B the membership tends to all vote for pineapple. :facepalm:
Of course, if all you had were two choices in life, things would get awfully boring!
Def
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What's not to like about pineapples? :dunno:
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IF it were between the Micra and Classic and only those two were my choices I'd go Micra. While the Classic is a, well Classic, its not a tool I carry or have carried. For not much more weight or bulk you can get a lot more from Rambler/Manager. Comparing the Micra to the Classic seems................. :think:.
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IF it were between the Micra and Classic and only those two were my choices I'd go Micra. While the Classic is a, well Classic, its not a tool I carry or have carried. For not much more weight or bulk you can get a lot more from Rambler/Manager. Comparing the Micra to the Classic seems................. :think:.
Like comparing a Mandarin to a large Orange?
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...or to pineapple. Now i am confused :think:
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...or to pineapple. Now i am confused :think:
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Me too ..........but I had a great idea how to carry the SwissChamp pics upcomming.............. :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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Me too ..........but I had a great idea how to carry the SwissChamp pics upcomming.............. :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
In a hollow pineapple? :pok:
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Why would he take a hollow pineapple in the shower? :o :think:
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:o
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The scissors are exceptional on the Classic as well, and they were the standard for Leatherman scissors. Tim Leatherman once said that if he couldn't put scissors as good as the ones on a Victorinox knife on his tools then he didn't want to put any in it. The Micra scissors are excellent, and a total win for LM, but they get this point (in my mind) for sheer size and ease of use.
Def
I think that depends entirely on what you are using the scissors for. A keychain tool the size of the Classic is, imho, best for tiny, intricate work such as trimming nails, removing hangnails, loose threads, etc. (And is pretty much the main reason I EDC one as I cannot have long, cracked, or snagging nails in my line of work.)
I have never been a fan of LM scissors except those on the OG Wave; the tolerances just are not tight enough to be useful for very detailed work or like on the new Wave/Charge flip back and expose the naked edge far too easily.
This is also why I pair my Rambler with a Squirt P4 and get the best of both worlds.
-Wes.
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Great points on Classic vs Micra in post #29 boss
I do have a Micra - But I barely use it - You are making me think I should try it out a bit
Agree with everyone else's comments about the Rambler
- Although for some reason I rarely carry a Rambler either (one reason was I gave the one I used to carry to my sister!)
However I voted for the Classic -
1. As that is what is on my keychains (well actually it's a Signature and Signature Lite) - Bit I reckoned that counted as a Classic as same main toolset and
2. As I read above it had fewer votes than the Micra so wanted to even things up - Tactical voting? ??? :twak:
3. I do pop a Classic into my pocket - If my other EDC tool does not have tp, tw or scissors
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Even though I voted Rambler/Manager, I much prefer a Pocket Tool Chest to either, therefore my vote goes to Mango.
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Got the pics done but every time I try to upload I get a server down error message. The last time I tried to upload them I got a threatning massage that they were gonna report me to Al Gore. Guess I'll just have to describe the shower carry in words ................. as soon as I figger how to do that on a family forum .......... :dunno: :think:
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I think that depends entirely on what you are using the scissors for. A keychain tool the size of the Classic is, imho, best for tiny, intricate work such as trimming nails, removing hangnails, loose threads, etc. (And is pretty much the main reason I EDC one as I cannot have long, cracked, or snagging nails in my line of work.)
I have never been a fan of LM scissors except those on the OG Wave; the tolerances just are not tight enough to be useful for very detailed work or like on the new Wave/Charge flip back and expose the naked edge far too easily.
This is also why I pair my Rambler with a Squirt P4 and get the best of both worlds.
-Wes.
Very good points on the scissors Wes.
Although I personally feel that the Classic's scissors are a tad small on the thumbs nails, they're definitively more comfortable for cutting... nose hair.
Now I wonder, are the 74mm scissors bigger than the Classic's? :think:
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Got the pics done but every time I try to upload I get a server down error message. The last time I tried to upload them I got a threatning massage that they were gonna report me to Al Gore. Guess I'll just have to describe the shower carry in words ................. as soon as I figger how to do that on a family forum .......... :dunno: :think:
:popcorn: :D
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Now I wonder, are the 74mm scissors bigger than the Classic's? :think:
They are. :tu:
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I'm picturing a very long neck lanyard so I don't have to picture anything else :rofl: :facepalm:
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Very good points on the scissors Wes.
Although I personally feel that the Classic's scissors are a tad small on the thumbs nails, they're definitively more comfortable for cutting... nose hair.
Now I wonder, are the 74mm scissors bigger than the Classic's? :think:
Just a little. :) Here's an article I wrote a scary number of years ago :-\ ;https://www.swissarmyknights.com/articles/2009/august-2009/458-ambassador
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Hey, dont laugh. I just got stuck in a bathroom this past Sunday. I was in an old house. It had an old-style mortise lock and skeleton key. Thank God I had my Rebar on my belt!
Extra key with someone on the outside using it wouldnt work. I wanted to cause as little damage as possible, so I tried to disassemble the knob and escutcheon plate. Got me nowhere. Prying the bolt wouldnt move it. Removed one hinge pin off the door but couldn't get the other to budge and broke my Rebar flathead screwdriver in the process.
Finally I started sawing where the box keep met the doorjamb and eventually got free.
Then I went to the beach to cool off
You should've just turned the key... a lot easier.
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Idea for a challenge:
Classic and Micra against the pineapple:
Who does best?
But I keep my vote on the Classic.
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My good old Microsoft-branded Micra :salute:
I use it almost daily for many-many years.
That said, if I rank the tool usage as follow:
scissors - most used tool, 95%
small screwdriver, 3%
tweezer 1%
blade 0.5%
the rest 0.5%
:facepalm: So a small but bulky scissor.....
But, it's lasted, feels as good as the day I got it. :salute:
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Why did they never use those spring loaded hooks that keep the Micra open on the larger models? :think:
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I don’t believe there’s a “best” tool for everyone, at least until they put tweezers on a titanium PS4. For me, tweezers are the most important tool, hands down. I work with steel shavings and constantly have to remove them from my oh so sensitive skin... the knife blade is a distant second and I definitely want a backup pen, though I try to carry a full-sized one anyway.
So, Victorinox Signature it is.
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Classic or signature over the Rambler or Manager? Not a chance.. why would you give up the single best Philips driver on a multi-tool ever???!?!? Let me be clear, I have used it for both the screw on my glasses AND on screws as big as a #2...No other Philips can do this. The 2D one on the micra comes close, but no...nothing is this good.
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Manager..nuff said..
And no..the Mini champ is not better. If you look at it, it basically has redundancy but provides no other valuable function. The manager is the ONLY multi-tool I am never without. I carry a ton of other bigger MTs but the Manager is a constant that I would never compromise on. In fact...its in my wallet.. right next to my X7S from Mecarmy, and my 128GB flash drive:
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I'm usually not too pushy when it comes to MT preference, but the Manager is by far the top of the top when it comes to size vs. function. Nothing is more capable in a package this small, nothing.
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I carry a mini champ. Ifin I didn't I'd carry a micra.
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Lately it's been between the Manager and the Wenger Pocket Tech :salute:
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Lately it's been between the Manager and the Wenger Pocket Tech :salute:
El Corkscrew! How have you been?
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I want to love the Micra. The tools are great, the blade is a laser beam, but the scissors suck. Cutting something rigid or semi rigid works, but I've never been able to use them on a plastic bag, or hair, or something that has a tendency to fold or bend. It just mangles some things before I give up and get something else to cut it with. It's for this reason I choose the Classic, even if the scissors are nowhere near as robust.
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I want to love the Micra. The tools are great, the blade is a laser beam, but the scissors suck. Cutting something rigid or semi rigid works, but I've never been able to use them on a plastic bag, or hair, or something that has a tendency to fold or bend. It just mangles some things before I give up and get something else to cut it with. It's for this reason I choose the Classic, even if the scissors are nowhere near as robust.
I agree and this thread had me rethinking the micra carry question.
I came to my original decision again.
The tool just doesn't pull it's own weight with those substandard scissors. In my opinion they are more like shears.
I carry the Rambler on my keys along with one of those round doodads with four screw drivers that cost about a dollar.
Plus a pocket knife in FRP as usual.
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Neither. I carry a Maglite LED Solitaire on my keys.. :whistle:
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The Micra is excellent for its screwdriver combo tool and so is the Classic for its scissors and T&T. I usually have both close by though strictly I agree the Rambler beats the Classic.
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Another vote for Manager. But i'm going to try the micra now because of this thread and see how it goes. :)
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I’m another Rambler fan, For me it has a great tool set for something that takes very little space on the keychain.
Almost seems like need a new poll that puts the Rambler against the Micra.
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Between the Classic and Micra, I’ll go Classic. But, I don’t like a folding tool on my keys. The key ring is the domain of the OPMT.