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Title: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 02, 2019, 03:49:42 PM
Just like to hear what you guys would like to use in building a desktop system. I plan on using this mainly for web browsing, a bit of media play and some gameplay but would like to build it to last a long time :cheers:

Opinions (and links :D ) for motherboards, cooling system, processor, ram, hdd, ssd, graphics card, types of drives like blurry and/or types of flash memory drives and case would be appreciated  :salute: and also whatever else for the inside you might recommend  :salute: I have upgraded system that I have bought but never built from scratch :ahhh would really love to do this but of course it may he a while still yet before this idea comes to fruition  :cheers:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 02, 2019, 03:50:44 PM
I also might like to use more than 1 monitor :cheers: if the mother board supports this it is a plus :like: also plenty of USB 3.1 ports :cheers:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Don Pablo on August 02, 2019, 04:21:18 PM
So far, an AMD processor paired with a B450 motherboard (some of them even have USB C to go with USB 3.1 and 3.2) looks good.

I like the look of the Ryzen 2200G processor.
It definitely has enough CPU-power for multimedia and webbrowsing, and has an integrated graphics good enough for light gaming. But you'd probably need an external graphics card for 2 monitors, if I'm not mistaken.

Both a B450 motherboard and a 2200G processor can be found for about $80 each.
I was looking at the MSI mATX B450 Gaming Plus myself.
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 02, 2019, 04:57:09 PM
Thanks,  Pabs  :cheers: I like have an idea of what to look for :salute: I have already been looking and have an idea of what I want but I will sit down at a computer and write all that out ::) just on phone now and harder to sit and type it all out without going back and forth a lot to write all the letter and numbers for the different model numbers  :D

Also I want around 16gb of RAM since what I have now has 8 but it is much slower type of RAM than what is out today :ahhh or would 32gb be overkill :whistle: :D
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 02, 2019, 04:57:30 PM
What about different graphics cards :think:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Don Pablo on August 02, 2019, 07:03:29 PM
Thanks,  Pabs  :cheers: I like have an idea of what to look for :salute: I have already been looking and have an idea of what I want but I will sit down at a computer and write all that out ::) just on phone now and harder to sit and type it all out without going back and forth a lot to write all the letter and numbers for the different model numbers  :D

Also I want around 16gb of RAM since what I have now has 8 but it is much slower type of RAM than what is out today :ahhh or would 32gb be overkill :whistle: :D
Definitely 16GB. :tu:
No more unless you are doing HEAVY video editing, and 8 only if you absolutely know what you're getting into. 16GB is the sweet spot.
Try to get 2933MHz or faster.
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Don Pablo on August 02, 2019, 07:05:02 PM
What about different graphics cards :think:
I haven't looked at those much. :think:
I realised that the integrated graphics on the Ryzen 2200G would be good enough for my light gaming, and so I didn't look farther. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Chako on August 02, 2019, 08:10:04 PM
I hate to say this...but I created this post on my last "new computer" and that was back in 2013. I have as yet found any need to upgrade this, and I do my fair share of gaming on it as well. There was a time when the software lead the hardware, and to keep up with the latest or to be able to run the latest, necessitated a constant upgrade cycle. I mean, I used to build my own systems. My last purchase of this Asus Republic of Gamer system, was the last time I needed to upgrade my hardware.

Here is the thread I created on here when I bought the system.

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,49063.0.html (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,49063.0.html)

I haven't had to keep up with the latest and greatest...so you could use as a good basis to start from.  :salute:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 02, 2019, 10:19:08 PM
My system from 2011 still does what I need it to  :cheers: and I may never get to this  build  but if I do get birthday and Christmas money, I will add some of my own money and see where it will get me :cheers: just like to see what peeps opinions are here at MTO  :salute: :tu:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 07, 2019, 04:21:04 PM
I have decided to try and upgrade my current system  :tu: I have been looking at what parts will work for it that would make it the fastest version of it possible  :D may go from an Intel i3 to an i7 processor :dd: from integrated graphics to a graphics card (one that is period correct for this machine) and a bigger power supply :like:

Since the parts are older I think I can get them rather cheap and hopefully still get a good bump in performance  :think: :cheers:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Chako on August 08, 2019, 05:22:46 AM
Sounds like a plan.  :tu:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: gerleatherberman on August 08, 2019, 05:38:07 AM
I have decided to try and upgrade my current system  :tu: I have been looking at what parts will work for it that would make it the fastest version of it possible  :D may go from an Intel i3 to an i7 processor :dd: from integrated graphics to a graphics card (one that is period correct for this machine) and a bigger power supply :like:

Since the parts are older I think I can get them rather cheap and hopefully still get a good bump in performance  :think: :cheers:

I have three systems in use. Two I built in 2010(Intel Q6600 2.6GHz@3GHz quad core and 8GB DDR 3 with 1GB GDDR5 Ati video)/2011(AMD Phenom Black Edition 2.8GHz@3.2GHz and 8GB DR2 with 1GB GDDR5 Nvidia video), and a Dell Studio(i7 and 8GB DDR3 with 1GB GDDR5 ATi video) from 2013(given to me).
All seemed slow with Windows or Linux. Upgraded to SSDs for the OS/primary programs and they run crazy fast now.

I recommend using Windows to shrink the main partition(to the size of the selected SSD drive) and making an image backup with Windows backup. Then load the image to the SSD. Cheapest upgrade I have found for browsing/video/media use. I am not a gamer, so can't speak to their effectiveness for modern high-resource gaming, but am now spoiled with 10 second boot times and instant browser/media player loading. All three systems have upgraded power supplies and cooling.

Just my $0.02 on the matter. :ahhh

Edit: Disk manager in admin tools is how I modify partition size. If it can't do it, there is a free CD bootable Linux distro with a great partition manager I used on the Dell Studio(1TB drive needed to be 250GB for the cheap SSD and Windows only allowed for 500GB reduction).
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 08, 2019, 04:08:09 PM
I had already been looking at ssd's  :cheers: thanks for the comments and tips on them :tu:

Have already been reading up on cloning Windows to the ssd as well :like:

I got a graphics card coming and only paid $15 for it, hoping it lasts a while but according to all the reading I have done on them it is one of the few that should work with no problems :salute:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: gerleatherberman on August 08, 2019, 08:53:53 PM
 :cheers:

SSD and video card should make a notable improvement over integrated graphics and motor disk drives. :woohoo:

Let me know if it is a lemon. I think I've got an extra GDDR3 512MB Nvidia or ATi PCIe laying around you can have. Good enough to watch 1080p youtube with anyway.
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Don Pablo on August 08, 2019, 09:23:38 PM
Poncho, what chipset/or generation/or model is your motherboard?
(I'm assuming that you're not planning on upgrading the motherboard?)
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Syncop8r on August 08, 2019, 10:23:32 PM
I built my own PC a couple of years ago. The original plan was for my friend to build it but he piked on me and said I should build it myself. He had already helped me order the parts so it was just a matter of finding a good YouTube tutorial or two and taking the leap.

I put Windows and programs like games on the SSD and things like my CAD program on the D:/ drive. The SSD is almost full, being only 256GB. They are probably much bigger now and perhaps I will get a bigger one sometime. So get bigger than you think you will need.

If you want I could list my components so you know what was good in 2016.  :D
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Syncop8r on August 08, 2019, 10:30:44 PM
I am definitely no expert but you may find with upgrading that you are constrained by what you are keeping limiting how much you can upgrade.
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Don Pablo on August 08, 2019, 11:53:47 PM
Technology has come a way in years. :dd:
It's amazing how the integrated graphics in the 4 core AMD 2200G processor almost match a dedicated graphics card with 2gb of graphics card RAM, for $80!
And the motherboard is cheaper.

(Though for some reason, the gpu benchmark website only shows the benchmark for the slow laptop version of the Vega 8 graphics in the 2200G. :dunno: )
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 12:06:23 PM
:cheers:

SSD and video card should make a notable improvement over integrated graphics and motor disk drives. :woohoo:

Let me know if it is a lemon. I think I've got an extra GDDR3 512MB Nvidia or ATi PCIe laying around you can have. Good enough to watch 1080p youtube with anyway.

Thanks for the offer :salute: I will keep that in mind :D :like:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 12:09:07 PM
Poncho, what chipset/or generation/or model is your motherboard?
(I'm assuming that you're not planning on upgrading the motherboard?)

2nd Gen i3 in a Pegatron Caramel 2 and trying to keep the motherboard :ahhh :D

Going to have to keep the new CPU in the same gen, so I am going with an i7 2600 if I can get one at a good price :ahhh :D
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 12:13:02 PM
I built my own PC a couple of years ago. The original plan was for my friend to build it but he piked on me and said I should build it myself. He had already helped me order the parts so it was just a matter of finding a good YouTube tutorial or two and taking the leap.

I put Windows and programs like games on the SSD and things like my CAD program on the D:/ drive. The SSD is almost full, being only 256GB. They are probably much bigger now and perhaps I will get a bigger one sometime. So get bigger than you think you will need.

If you want I could list my components so you know what was good in 2016.  :D

Lists are always nice :dd: :like:

Hope the system is still running great for you :tu: I have a few external hdds and will turn the 1.5 gb internal into extra space after I clone it :cheers: Not sure if I can find a bigger ssd than 256 gb for the connectors I have :ahhh it is sata 2 and so many options for these on eBay :ahhh
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 12:14:26 PM
I am definitely no expert but you may find with upgrading that you are constrained by what you are keeping limiting how much you can upgrade.

I am using the model number for my pc to upgrade it to the max of it's limitations :cheers: I will see how it all goes and hope to be able to keep this system for several more years :cheers:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 12:17:13 PM
Technology has come a way in years. :dd:
It's amazing how the integrated graphics in the 4 core AMD 2200G processor almost match a dedicated graphics card with 2gb of graphics card RAM, for $80!
And the motherboard is cheaper.

(Though for some reason, the gpu benchmark website only shows the benchmark for the slow laptop version of the Vega 8 graphics in the 2200G. :dunno: )

Technology like this is sure quarky :D love to see that it has gotten cheaper over the years and amazing that prices have dropped as they have on everything :ahhh :like: I have been wanting to upgrade this particular pc for some time :salute: it still runs great but I want it to be the best pc it can be :D
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 12:19:04 PM
I also have added a new power supply on the cheap  :cheers: it is 600 watts, so hopefully big enough to power everything I am changing :D
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Don Pablo on August 09, 2019, 12:44:17 PM
2nd Gen i3 in a Pegatron Caramel 2 and trying to keep the motherboard :ahhh :D

Going to have to keep the new CPU in the same gen, so I am going with an i7 2600 if I can get one at a good price :ahhh :D
Poncho, I'm sorry to say, that motherboard is a bit too old. :(
I don't know how cheap you will be able to find a i7 2600 for (PCPartPicker says $250 ??? ), but a last generation $100 processor paired with a brand new $60 motherboard will beat it slightly AND still have lots of upgrade life in it....
True, you'll need to buy (maybe 8GB) of DDR4, buts RAM is currently the cheapest it's ever been in 2-3 years, almost as cheap as it was in 2016. So now is a great opportunity.

I wouldn't pay much more than $50 on a new processor for a 2nd generation Intel motherboard.
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Syncop8r on August 09, 2019, 12:46:21 PM
Yeah it's going great. Just like I said about getting low on space on the SSD. I could have got a better tower. I might get liquid cooling one day.

Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Syncop8r on August 09, 2019, 12:49:03 PM
Oooh I like that list function :dd:  defo gonna use it more in future.
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Don Pablo on August 09, 2019, 12:50:22 PM
Intel i7 2600 (fastest "k" version) benchmark:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-2600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-2200G/621vsm441832
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 01:10:00 PM
Poncho, I'm sorry to say, that motherboard is a bit too old. :(
I don't know how cheap you will be able to find a i7 2600 for (PCPartPicker says $250 ??? ), but a last generation $100 processor paired with a brand new $60 motherboard will beat it slightly AND still have lots of upgrade life in it....
True, you'll need to buy (maybe 8GB) of DDR4, buts RAM is currently the cheapest it's ever been in 2-3 years, almost as cheap as it was in 2016. So now is a great opportunity.

I wouldn't pay much more than $50 on a new processor for a 2nd generation Intel motherboard.


That's my plan ;) another reason I am not building from scratch and brand new :D I have had this sytem for almost 8 years and although it is showing it's age occasionally, it still runs very well for what I use it for :cheers: I just want to breathe a bit of new life in it for what it's worth :cheers:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 01:10:26 PM
Oooh I like that list function :dd:  defo gonna use it more in future.

and a very fine list of parts it is :dd: :like:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Don Pablo on August 09, 2019, 01:12:14 PM
That's my plan ;) another reason I am not building from scratch and brand new :D I have had this sytem for almost 8 years and although it is showing it's age occasionally, it still runs very well for what I use it for :cheers: I just want to breathe a bit of new life in it for what it's worth :cheers:
Sounds reasonable.  :tu:
But if you can't find one:

$350 computer with a processor that's slightly faster than a i7 2600k.
(Alternative motherboard available with 2 extra RAM slots [so you can upgrade to 32gb easily], but you'll probably need a bigger case.)

16GB of ram.
Good quality motherboard, so it can take an awesome processor like this year's 8 core processors and a hefty video card, in the future, if needed.
The processor is the second cheapest available, and the integrated graphics are only a little short of a video card with 2gb of ram.
Nice wireless adapter included in the price.

Just add a case, power supply, monitor, mouse, etc, which you already have. :D

Show content
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z9bmyX)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RkJtt6/amd-ryzen-3-2200g-35ghz-quad-core-processor-yd2200c5fbbox) | $79.89 @ OutletPC
**Motherboard** | [MSI B450M GAMING PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9C97YJ/msi-b450m-gaming-plus-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-gaming-plus) | $84.99 @ Amazon
**Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MYH48d/corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2b3000c15) | $79.99 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Crucial MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ft8j4D/crucial-mx500-500gb-25-solid-state-drive-ct500mx500ssd1) | $64.99 @ Amazon
**Wireless Network Adapter** | [Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tTdqqs/gigabyte-wireless-network-card-gcwb867di) | $32.75 @ Amazon
 | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
 | **Total** | **$342.61**
 | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2019-08-09 07:10 EDT-0400 |

EDIT: Forgot that a 500gb SSD is included! If you already have one, this is actually a $300 computer.
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Don Pablo on August 09, 2019, 01:17:13 PM
I see your pegatron motherboard has USB 1.
The one I linked has USB 3.1, so you can use very fast external drives and such with it. :cheers:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 01:33:01 PM
I think I have usb 2.0 in the specs I have seen :think:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 01:33:52 PM
Here is the system I have with the specs from HP themselves  :cheers:

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03012519/
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 01:34:46 PM
I will eventually build a new system but just fun to upgrade and see what I can get out of this old gal :D
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 01:38:21 PM
Since the system is getting older, I wonder what the biggest ssd drive I  could get for it would be :think: sata I know is an option but I also have some Pcie slots and wonder if any of those might be a better route ???

Anybody know :whistle: :D
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Don Pablo on August 09, 2019, 01:43:44 PM
I'm not sure that you can use anything besides a SATA SSD.... And said SATA SSD might be speed limited. :dunno:

The motherboard I linked has a slot for one of those tiny and superfast m.2 NVMe drive things, though.
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 02:18:12 PM
I will go with a SATA drive :salute: I was researching and SATA 3  is backwards compatible to SATA 2 :cheers: so it options my choices up a bit :like:

I know this system isn't going to be blazing fast ever again but I am from the age of dial up internet (you young whippersnappers won't know about that but the older ones know my pain) :pok: :D so I can deal with a bit of lag :rofl:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 02:20:58 PM
Who knows though, I may kill my system with the new upgrades :oops: :facepalm: :ahhh :ahhh

Hopefully not but there is the possibility of giving it something similar to a heart attack  :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

 :D
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Don Pablo on August 09, 2019, 02:24:12 PM
I'm grateful that I never needed to use a telephone line modem...
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 03:12:10 PM
Sure kept my Solitaire game skills up whilst waiting on a web page to load  :facepalm: :rofl:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: gerleatherberman on August 09, 2019, 03:42:06 PM
Upgrading to the older i7 CPU, SSD, and video will not result in a sluggish PC at all. Sure, it won't be playing modern games at a billion FPS, but you will certainly notice how much faster it all runs normal multitasking/media/web usage. :)

Good job getting the larger powersupply too.  :tu:
Nothing can kill a decent PC quicker than a low output powersupply.  :facepalm:

IMO, the SSD will be the most notable improvement. SATA 2.0 is sufficient. Even early SATA blows the best PATA(what we PC-old timers used to call IDE) drives out of the water.

Does seem the old Intel vs. AMD debate is still raging though(like a SAK vs. MT debate). Back when I gave a smurf about that stuff, the Barton core named(single core) Athlon was the shizzle-fizzle for overclocking(as well as the Pentium 4 Northwood core[which I got mine to run 3GHz stable on air cooling] that I had before getting the 3.06GHz P4). Had a full acrylic tower and water cooling just to get the Barton to 3.2GHz. Had an amazing 2GB of DDR1 RAM too(what we pc-old timers used to call PC400).

Damn that's been a long time ago. :ahhh
Last two PCs I built(the AMD Phenom X4 BE and Intel Q6600) still run great after the SSD upgrades. :)
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 04:48:34 PM
I am glad to hear this and I really hope that these upgrades last me for several more years :salute:

I was more in to computers back in the mid and late 90s :dd: now our smartphones are miles beyond those systems :D I would have killed for a good usb port and some flash drives back in those days :o

First computer for me was a Intel Pentium 166 with 32 mb of RAM and a 1.3 gb hdd :like: was just past the 486 days, couple my friends had 486s and one even a 386 still kicking  around :ahhh

We would deathmatch Doom over the phone lines :cheers:

Those were great times :dd: I also got my first taste of DOS on those same friends computers :salute:

Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Don Pablo on August 09, 2019, 04:58:11 PM
What's DOS? (Not joking. :facepalm: )
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 05:10:19 PM
 :sa: :dwts:

Disk Operating System

Look it up, Pabs :pok:

 :D
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: gerleatherberman on August 09, 2019, 07:07:16 PM
 :like:
I actually have a small collection of 1980s portable computers. Like the Compaq Portable, Texas Instruments PPC, Kaypro, Osborne, and Commodore. Need to get those out of storage and make sure they still boot. :facepalm:

MFM drives and IRQ assigment for the win baby. :rofl:

Windows 2.03 is still my favorite.
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 08:19:21 PM
Of the old Windows I think 3.11 is the best :cheers: but of the more modernish, Windows 98 and I guess Windows 10 is the best of the newest (well for me anyways :D )

If you get them out then we need to see pics of the portable computers :pok:

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Don Pablo on August 09, 2019, 08:28:26 PM
Speaking as a '99 model human, Windows 98 is NOT modern. :D
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 09:53:57 PM
You are just a wee boy :whistle:

 :D
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Syncop8r on August 09, 2019, 10:29:56 PM
First computer for me was a Intel Pentium 166 with 32 mb of RAM and a 1.3 gb hdd :like: was just past the 486 days, couple my friends had 486s and one even a 386 still kicking  around :ahhh

We would deathmatch Doom over the phone lines :cheers:
Ha I was just thinking back to Doom when you mentioned computers of that vintage.
I just bought the 2016 reboot of Doom. I got it on disc cos I'm old skool but you still have to use Steam to download the game  :think:  and it's having trouble connecting.  :bnghd: :crash:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Syncop8r on August 09, 2019, 10:31:11 PM
Windows 98 and I guess Windows 10 is the best of the newest (well for me anyways :D )
I liked Windows XP :dd:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 11:14:28 PM
Xp was one that I liked as well but I put it more with Windows 10 era and I rank it right there with 7 :salute: 8 and 2000/Me were just hot messes though :D

Windows 95 was right there with 98 to me as well :cheers:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2019, 11:15:37 PM
Ha I was just thinking back to Doom when you mentioned computers of that vintage.
I just bought the 2016 reboot of Doom. I got it on disc cos I'm old skool but you still have to use Steam to download the game  :think:  and it's having trouble connecting.  :bnghd: :crash:

Was thinking of trying the 2016 Doom with the new setup that I am going for :cheers: hope I can play it half way decent after this but who knows :ahhh

Thinking it probably won't now though :facepalm: :oops: :ahhh
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Chako on August 10, 2019, 12:01:21 AM
For a time, I was big into Amigas. I remember the horrors of trying to keep a SCSI chain alive and ticking.  :ahhh
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Syncop8r on August 10, 2019, 02:49:42 AM
Was thinking of trying the 2016 Doom with the new setup that I am going for :cheers: hope I can play it half way decent after this but who knows :ahhh

Thinking it probably won't now though :facepalm: :oops: :ahhh
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 10, 2019, 04:03:58 AM
Graphics card will be what gets me :bnghd: :crash: :poh: :D
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 12, 2019, 10:46:16 PM
I just realized that my email address is even a couple years older than Pabs :facepalm:

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Don Pablo on August 13, 2019, 12:24:30 AM
(https://i.imgflip.com/37v16x.jpg)
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 13, 2019, 01:10:14 AM
 :dunno:

 :oops:

 :2tu:

 :rofl:

Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 17, 2019, 09:52:59 PM
Bought a few parts for my computer the past couple weeks and got the parts as reasonably as I could :cheers: I installed a new power supply, a used graphics card Geforce GT 530 and a new 500gb ssd :like:

I installed the parts this morning then reinstalled Windows on the new ssd and and so far so good :cheers: More on it later as I am leaving the house now :salute:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Syncop8r on August 17, 2019, 11:08:19 PM
:nanadance: :nanadance: :nanadance:

   :popcorn:        :popcorn:        :popcorn:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: gerleatherberman on August 18, 2019, 04:10:32 AM
Bought a few parts for my computer the past couple weeks and got the parts as reasonably as I could :cheers: I installed a new power supply, a used graphics card Geforce GT 530 and a new 500gb ssd :like:

I installed the parts this morning then reinstalled Windows on the new ssd and and so far so good :cheers: More on it later as I am leaving the house now :salute:
:woohoo:

Good work, Poncho! :like:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 18, 2019, 04:45:49 AM
Thanks guys :hatsoff: I am still looking for a i7 2600 processor to go in it at a reasonable price (for me :D ) and after that, this system will have been upgraded pretty much to it's limits :ahhh I may also get a Pcie card with 2 or 3 USB 3.0 or 3.1 ports :think: and that should help the speed of some of my data transfers as well :cheers: Have to get a few more settings and some more programs downloaded and installed and will have this system to where I want it and still have access to all of my data :like:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 20, 2019, 02:52:59 PM
I have most everything the way I want now and the computer is way more responsive now :dd: :like: the graphics card is something I haven't had in a computer in a long while and will have to see what all it can do :salute: I play older games mostly and they have ran fine on this machine but I am excited to see how much better the graphics look on certain games :popcorn: the ssd has for sure been the best part of the upgrade as it has improved the responsiveness the most I believe :cheers: so far so good :like:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: gerleatherberman on August 20, 2019, 06:39:13 PM
 :woohoo: &  :like:

Glad it is working out like you hoped for, Poncho!
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Syncop8r on August 20, 2019, 10:14:25 PM
Well done Poncho!

Now... what games are you playing?  :pok:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 21, 2019, 02:24:51 AM
Not had much time for games yet :oops: :facepalm: I have Doom Legacy going but not really got to play it yet with work and not really felt like doing much since the heat has seemed to have turned up this week so far :ahhh I may play some old school Warcraft 2 and 3 and may even revisit Quake 2 :dd: Yes, I didn't need to upgrade to play any of these but the graphics will look better now :whistle: :D

Oh and Hexen 2 :ahhh :D

I mostly just wanted a faster system and this was the most economical solution  :cheers:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Whoey on August 26, 2019, 08:03:25 PM
I don't really have much useful to add, apart from saying I REALLY miss my desktop. My laptop is great, but even the QHD+ screen doesn't make up for the poor onboard graphics card and lower ram, and also the horsepower of the i5 here vs the i7 on my desktop.

Have to admit I'm spoiled by the 24 inch full HD screens at work... I might have to look into a dual setup when I get back home...
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on August 27, 2019, 03:56:39 AM
I use a 32 inch Sceptre brand flat screen that I got very reasonable from Walmart.com years ago that I was using with the vga port but since I put the GPU in I am using it with HDMI and I do love the tiny bit more crispness :cheers: I am thinking of adding another monitor as well and using the DVI port in conjunction with the HDMI and see how it turns out :cheers:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on September 08, 2019, 12:27:08 AM
I have an Intel i5 2500 incoming that is second hand that I got cheap on the bay :cheers: The ssd has made the most impact so far in speed but I wanted some type of quad processor and this one was much cheaper than the i7 :whistle: :cheers: :D
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on January 14, 2020, 02:28:15 AM
Not sure but pretty sure that my ssd is already dead :facepalm: I had to order another :ahhh hopefully I can get Win 10 on it and go but I used my RasPi 3 with Rasbian on it as a backup :salute: It sufficed but was a bit laggy :ahhh I also ordered a Raspberry Pi 4 with 4gb of ram :cheers: the ssd and the RasPi 4 came the same day and I put the Pi together and installed Rasbian and it is working very well :tu:  :like: so far the ssd is sitting on the desk waiting to be installed :whistle: :facepalm: :D

If not for a few minor things I like on Windows, I would probably just use the Pi 4 and never look back :o 8) :like:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Syncop8r on January 14, 2020, 06:27:36 AM
Was thinking of trying the 2016 Doom with the new setup that I am going for :cheers: hope I can play it half way decent after this but who knows :ahhh

Thinking it probably won't now though :facepalm: :oops: :ahhh
I'm enjoying it... can't kill that damn Cyberdemon though :duel: :bnghd: so I'm going back and exploring to find all the secrets I missed.
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on January 14, 2020, 12:36:06 PM
Great to hear you are still playin it :cheers: Getting your monies worth out of it for sure :like:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on January 23, 2020, 03:22:49 PM
Got a new Crucial 500gb ssd the other day and put Win 10 back on it and all is well again  :D I was very pleased with that RasPi though and need to get it hooked up and running somewhere else :tu: Need to put my desktop completely back together (hook the hdd back up and cover back on)  and put it back in it's spot :salute:

Oh and the ssd that died was an HP :whistle: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Whoey on January 23, 2020, 07:04:50 PM
in the older PCs we have at work they all have 180gb Intel SSDs, I've had one die on me so far...
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on January 24, 2020, 11:48:22 AM
Mine sure is older.... :D but an ssd makes it feel like a new one :dd: I try not to keep a lot on them that I care about losing (I have external hdds and another internal hdd that I keep backups of backups)  :salute: I haven't looked at the Intel ones but I had heard good things of the Crucial ones :cheers: Hopefully it lasts way longer :D
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Syncop8r on February 04, 2020, 07:46:37 PM
I just downloaded and installed Core Temp to keep an eye on the temperature.
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Don Pablo on February 04, 2020, 11:14:46 PM
Mine sure is older.... :D but an ssd makes it feel like a new one :dd: I try not to keep a lot on them that I care about losing (I have external hdds and another internal hdd that I keep backups of backups)  :salute: I haven't looked at the Intel ones but I had heard good things of the Crucial ones :cheers: Hopefully it lasts way longer :D
Good to have backups in any case, but aren't SSDs more reliable than HDDs? ???
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on February 07, 2020, 08:47:05 PM
Not in my case ::) :rofl:  I think they are more for speed and to some capacity storage but hdds even with their problems can have a more long term storage (reading and writing) capacity than an ssd. Once an ssd has been written on and overwritten on so many times they start to die (different sectors of them) essentually :ahhh Of course my HP ssd was likely faulty and cheap made :D I try to have several backups of things that are of importance :salute: :tu:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Don Pablo on February 09, 2020, 02:02:51 PM
So you're comparing a cheap old SSD to a good HDD. :think: :D
Not disagreeing about the backups. :salute:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Whoey on February 09, 2020, 07:31:56 PM
It depends on how you look at it, normal HDs can fail gradually, and usually you notice some decline before everything is beyond the point of no return.

SSDs when they fail is catastrophic and completely.
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on February 12, 2020, 04:11:30 PM
 :iagree: with Whoey :tu: and that is what I was meaning. I usually have an idea when an HDD is gonna crash but with SSDs it is all at once and they do decline as you read and write many many time over whereas a HDD is usually a mechanical failure :cheers: Unless of course you have a big magnet nearby :ahhh :D I have had bad sectors in them as well but usually the whole drive doesn't go at once :salute:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Poncho65 on February 12, 2020, 04:12:28 PM
Also as time goes the technology will get better :D They have made leaps and bounds with the ssds in the last couple years that is just amazing :o :like:
Title: Re: Building a desktop system
Post by: Chako on February 28, 2020, 12:34:57 PM
Tell me about it. When I decided to build a new system recently, I had never heard of M.2 NVME drives. Now having installed Windows 10 on one, what a difference! The drive I chose wasn't even the fastest out there. After doing my research, I found out that the real world results wouldn't even be noticeable to the end user from the fastest to the slightly slower drives, and I got to save some money,. Win win in my books.  :hatsoff: