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Tool Talk => Leatherman Tools => Topic started by: Sea Monster on December 04, 2007, 08:19:53 AM
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Just picked up a PST. Just wanted to let you all know :)
- I got stooged on the price ($150 AU). Probably should have shopped online - could of got less than that inc. Shipping most likely.
Oh well, what's done is done, and now for my next trick I will compare my new $150 PST with a $16 GI PST(Identical tool selection, shape etc)
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Just picked up a PST. Just wanted to let you all know :)
- I got stooged on the price ($150 AU). Probably should have shopped online - could of got less than that inc. Shipping most likely.
Oh well, what's done is done, and now for my next trick I will compare my new $150 PST with a $16 GI PST(Identical tool selection, shape etc)
At the end of the day it's only money :D, besides you'll forget how much you've paid for it once you've had a play with it :)
Look forward to hearing about your comparison mate :)
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I've just discovered that I am now the (proud? PO'd?) owner of two PSTs, because the genius managed to put a PST in the PST II box.
On one hand - mistakes happen, on the other hand - Jerk.
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I've just discovered that I am now the (proud? PO'd?) owner of two PSTs, because the genius managed to put a PST in the PST II box.
On one hand - mistakes happen, on the other hand - Jerk.
I love the original PST so I would be quite happy. :D Looky what I just bought.......
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u298/supratentorial/benner-1.jpg)
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Does that actually say "Leathervan" or is that just a trick of the light? :think: :D
I would think an original "typo PST" would be worth a small fortune!
Def
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Does that actually say "Leathervan" or is that just a trick of the light? :think: :D
I would think an original "typo PST" would be worth a small fortune!
Def
:D It does look like Leathervan doesn't it. :D
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That reminds me- I forgot all about taking pictures of that black PST for you...
:oops:
I'll do that shortly.
Def
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That reminds me- I forgot all about taking pictures of that black PST for you...
:oops:
I'll do that shortly.
Def
No prob's. ;)
Like I said, it's probably best to wait till after payday anyway. :)
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Too late! :P
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=83.0;attach=6041;image)
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=83.0;attach=6043;image)
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=83.0;attach=6046;image)
Enjoy!
Def
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Me likey very much. :)
:cheers:
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You'll have to let me know Benner, what those Leathervans are like, they look similar to Leathermans, but I wonder if the quality is as good :D
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You'll have to let me know Benner, what those Leathervans are like, they look similar to Leathermans, but I wonder if the quality is as good :D
I did wonder why it was so cheap and why Jake kept laughing at me. :think:
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Seems like you have an original Leathervan Benner :D
Is this the logo on the box by any chance ;)
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4122/lmvan2dh0.jpg)
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Seems like you have an original Leathervan Benner :D
Is this the logo on the box by any chance ;)
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4122/lmvan2dh0.jpg)
LOL! :D Where did you get that from?
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Seems like you have an original Leathervan Benner :D
Is this the logo on the box by any chance ;)
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4122/lmvan2dh0.jpg)
LOL! :D Where did you get that from?
Just made it myself :D
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Very good! :)
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Thanks, it looks like you've got the only Leathervan in the world so I thought I might issue it a logo :D
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Thanks! Could you print it on a box and a sheath as well? :D
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Thanks! Could you print it on a box and a sheath as well? :D
There in 'production' at the moment and should be released sometime tonight :D
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Thanks! Could you print it on a box and a sheath as well? :D
There in 'production' at the moment and should be released sometime tonight :D
Tonight?! That's very impressive. Mind you, only what I'd expect from Leathervan. :D
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Sorry Benner- I don't usually mess with people's accounts, but this was just too funny to pass up! :D
Def
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Sorry Benner- I don't usually mess with people's accounts, but this was just too funny to pass up! :D
Def
Ha ha :D I love it! I've been looking for a decent signature and that will do nicely. :D
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Here's the quality pouches Leathervan produce. Made from 100% Leather :D
(http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/8476/lmvansheathlm8.jpg)
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LOL! :D I want one!
Looks a lot better than the one I got today anyway.
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Here's a slightly smaller one for you...
Def
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Taking the market by storm I see. - My Leatherman, dated '02, has only half-depth "V" in the "M". Unless I grind it out completely and restamp, I can't join your club.
To drag this topic painfully back on topic
- First test was Appearance - To the casual observer they are identical in form (The GI model lacks any markings, though it does have "Stainless" on the blade)
The knobs on the GI are larger, and the ends of the handles ground more Oval than round - It's hard to pick any single fault, but the overall look is one of a bulkier, less precision tool.
Second Test was Hard Wire cutting - I used a 2.5mm Steel wire - About the same thickness as Clotheshanger wire, but of a higher, and harder grade.
With two hands, and a world of pain I was able to cut it with the GI (in a spout of masochism, I cut it again) - after just two cuts there was obvious damage to the tool and my poor, girly hands.
With one hand, and slightly less pain, I easily snipped with the PST, hacking the wire into half a dozen pieces before getting bored.
Advantage: PST.
Will post pictures of tools, and damage to the GI tonight.
Test Three is Tool Access (since I can do this sitting down)
The GI has more washers to prevent clumping, and seems to perform better than the PST in this respect (though some Spraylube may make the PST nice)
The GI Phillips (recessed to accomodate Plier head when folding) has a box shape at the base, making it reachable without taking out the Can opener first. Other than this, all other tools are reached with similar levels of ruining my manicure.
Advantage: GI
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Hi Benner,
Looks like have a very nice early PST with the second type (headed) rivets, drop point blade nail nick, straight medium and phillips screwdrivers and single hatched fine file. Nice find - congrats - this is a shelf queen, not a user from a collector's standpoint.
More on these soon - Joe
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Hi Benner,
Looks like have a very nice early PST with the second type (headed) rivets, drop point blade nail nick, straight medium and phillips screwdrivers and single hatched fine file. Nice find - congrats - this is a shelf queen, not a user from a collector's standpoint.
More on these soon - Joe
Thanks, but it was supratentorial that did all the hard work. :)
And don't worry it won't be used for anything, no matter how desparate. ;)
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Does that actually say "Leathervan" or is that just a trick of the light? :think: :D
I would think an original "typo PST" would be worth a small fortune!
Def
:D It does look like Leathervan doesn't it. :D
Unfortunately it was just bad lighting. Here's a better photo that I took this morning before shipping it.
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Looks like have a very nice early PST with the second type (headed) rivets, drop point blade nail nick, straight medium and phillips screwdrivers and single hatched fine file. Nice find - congrats - this is a shelf queen, not a user from a collector's standpoint.
Depends on the collector - some would say an item ain't about what it is made of, it's only worth its history.
Would you rather a 200 year old table, or a 200 year old table that survived the battle of Trafalgar?
Onto my haggard topic -
Test four was Cutting - The easiest expendable thing at hand was some heavy-duty cardboard boxes. Both knives shredded several sheets with equal ease, but as we know - almost all knives are sharp on the first date, so I'll perform a Test 4a (and perhaps even a B and C) to see how they stand up to prolonged use against progressively tougher material.
Advantage: Tie
Test five is bottle opener - back in a sec.
Rightio - The PST gently and smoothly popped the top while the GI punctured the lid.
This makes me particularly interested to try the Can Opener next.
Advantage: PST
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Does that actually say "Leathervan" or is that just a trick of the light? :think: :D
I would think an original "typo PST" would be worth a small fortune!
Def
:D It does look like Leathervan doesn't it. :D
Unfortunately it was just bad lighting. Here's a better photo that I took this morning before shipping it.
So you mean I am not receiving an original Leathervan? :(
Great tests Nomad. Looking forward to your next test. :)
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So you mean I am not receiving an original Leathervan? :(
Here's an example of an unusual factory error. I didn't think it would interest you though. :D
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That's a good one!
I must have missed that particular eBay auction! The engraver must have been really drunk that day to have misspelled "Leatherman" that badly! :D
Def
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That's a good one!
I must have missed that particular eBay auction! The engraver must have been really drunk that day to have misspelled "Leatherman" that badly! :D
Def
Probably a few less drinks than it took to get me to give up my LeatherVan!
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Oh man! Another great pic! :)
Def, can you somehow put the Leathervan and that one side by side for my sig??
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How about this?
Def
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How about this?
Def
That is great! :D
Could you just make the Leathervan bit slightly larger please, so it fills that corner gap?
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This is about as good as I can manage. Maybe someone skilled with artsy stuff could do better for you.
Def
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No that is great - thanks!
You wanna shrink it again though?
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Sheesh, some people! :P
Def
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Sheesh, some people! :P
Def
Sorry!! :D
I'm happy to have it huge. Would be the only thing about me that was. :D
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Benner- Owner of the biggest Leathervan Tool in the world! :D
Def
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Benner- Owner of the biggest Leathervan Tool in the world! :D
Def
Not anymore! :D
I have shrunk it down a little.
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That is a great pic of your name in the LM that supratentorial did, and following on from Def (hope he don't mind) I've jazzed it up a little for you (I was bored tonight, can you tell ;))
Here's a couple...
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4916/van7rv5.jpg)
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1277/van8zm6.jpg)
(Leathervan is slightly embossed)
:)
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Dude they are great, thanks! :)
My sig just keeps getting better and better. :D
I'm gonna use the top one if that's ok. I'll do it now. :)
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See, I told you someone else could do a better job!
Those look great!
Def
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No body makes that much of a fuss for me :cry: :cry:
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No body makes that much of a fuss for me :cry: :cry:
:P :P
Cryptrick that is great, thank you very much. ;) :cheers:
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Dude they are great, thanks! :)
My sig just keeps getting better and better. :D
I'm gonna use the top one if that's ok. I'll do it now. :)
You're welcome :) I'm trying to think of one for myself but I'm not that good at thinking new stuff up :D
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It is a top job mate ;), I'm sure you can think of one that combines sheep and multitools :D
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It is a top job mate ;), I'm sure you can think of one that combines sheep and multitools :D
:D I'm not sure I'll carry on with the old sheep thing ;), I made that in a few mins just so I had an avatar when I first joined.
I think thats probably the first sig/banner I've made for someone, I'm usually crap at anything art/design, it was by far my worst subject at college :-[
What would yours be then Micky if you were to have one.................. shirley by any chance ;) :D
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It is a top job mate ;), I'm sure you can think of one that combines sheep and multitools :D
:D I'm not sure I'll carry on with the old sheep thing ;), I made that in a few mins just so I had an avatar when I first joined.
I think thats probably the first sig/banner I've made for someone, I'm usually crap at anything art/design, it was by far my worst subject at college :-[
What would yours be then Micky if you were to have one.................. shirley by any chance ;) :D
I don't know actually, probably something from warhammer I supose :)
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I think thats probably the first sig/banner I've made for someone, I'm usually crap at anything art/design, it was by far my worst subject at college :-[
Well you did a great job on mine. :)
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It may have been your worst class, but I didn't even take it so you are head and shoulders above my meager skills!
Def
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Some pictures.
Note dent in left Cutting area of plier head
The damage caused the pliers to stick closed, which I had subsequently semi-repaired using the file on the PST
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Comparison shots of GI and PST
I had some of them with tools out, but somehow I lost them :(
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Cutting my way to freedom
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Those are some nice action shots Nomad :)
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Those are some nice action shots Nomad
Like all good things - they're rigged.
I'm right handed :D
I had a sweet test to attempt today, but didn't have the time.
- Just made the time then. The test (was) to punch the reamer into a tree and use a series of PSTs and GIs as a makeshift "Ladder"
Both varieties promptly folded on application of my weight and all I achieved (other than dirtying some nice tools with tree sap) was tearing a chunk out of my thumb.
I guess this is a test best suited to locking tools.
Huh- I suppose I could of punched them in sideways, that preventing folding. Whoops.
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Both varieties promptly folded on application of my weight and all I achieved (other than dirtying some nice tools with tree sap) was tearing a chunk out of my thumb.
Probably a case of tool-revenge, for the dent you put in the wire cutter earlier. ;)
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I know, how dare I cut wire with a wire cutter! I must be mad, mad and deranged!
In any case I'm a lot less in love with my PST now that I've discovered that for same price I could have had a Swisstool.
I won't be stopping at that BOHICA store again.
Incidentally - I'm having a lot of fun showing off to storekeepers with all the trivia I've learned from you guys.
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Incidentally - I'm having a lot of fun showing off to storekeepers with all the trivia I've learned from you guys.
Cool! :) What have you shown them that they didn't already know?
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Cool! Smiley What have you shown them that they didn't already know?
Just about everything I said it seemed. Apparently "Product Knowledge" isn't all that important these days, they'll let any goon work in Retail.
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Cool! Smiley What have you shown them that they didn't already know?
Just about everything I said it seemed. Apparently "Product Knowledge" isn't all that important these days, they'll let any goon work in Retail.
Ain't that the truth. Hardware stores too. Try asking an 18-year old kid about proper plumbing fixtures for a hot water heater :ahhh
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunnings_Warehouse
They broke hardware :(
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunnings_Warehouse
They broke hardware :(
Yep, I hear you :( Bunnings must be the southern hemisphere's version of Home Depot :(
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Test whatever I'm up to -
Peeling a potato.
In some undefinable manner the PST was superior, it didn't seem noticeably sharper, and the GI was not loose in any way, but somehow I was able to perform neater, cleaner peels with the PST.
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Keep it up, Nomad. I'm enjoying your tests.
Tom
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A picture is (apparently, I'm not sure who came up with the suggestion) worth a thousand words, but I keep forgetting to get out the Camera :-\
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I lost my GI! :ahhh
Given the price, I don't care all that much, but still....
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I lost my GI! :ahhh
Given the price, I don't care all that much, but still....
Temporarily lost, or permanently lost? ???
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Well that depends on whether I find it or not...
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Well that depends on whether I find it or not...
Heh-heh, well I know that......what I meant was, are you likely to find it?
I 'lose' stuff around the house or the shop all the time, but not to worry, it turns up eventually. It's the stuff that gets lost out in the 'real world' that is oftentimes permanent :cry:
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Anyone want to make a sig for me? :D
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Okay, I just made two. Which one do you guys like better?
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I've always liked SOG's older designs, so put in my vote for the Tomcat.
Def
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Wouldn't it be a nicer idea to have an SOG multitool in it rather than just a knife?
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This is a multitool website, but their multi-tools are not as friendly to the eyes as their knives.
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(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2968.0;attach=6323;image)
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2968.0;attach=6325;image)
Of the two, I like the bottom one better :)
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The bottom one has less "stuff" in it but the same amount of info...I'd go with that.
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I'd go with the bottom one too :)
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What about this?
The SOG Logo was added intentionally. ::)
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What about this?
The SOG Logo was added intentionally. ::)
I still prefer the bottom one from above.
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I still prefer the bottom one from above.
Yep, me too. :)
Even better would be if you could get a snake into it somehow....you know, a play on the name "Viper"
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Vipmeridian?
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Vipmeridian?
How about something like...
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u298/supratentorial/viper.png)
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Used my PST in anger for the first time today.
Sure I've used it heaps already - the Blade needs sharpening and I've abused the large Flathead to the point of indecency, but that was all just for fun, when the PST has been but one of many options around me.
Today t'was the only thing available.
Used it to hack off some Exhaust lagging.
Woo.
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Vipmeridian?
How about something like...
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u298/supratentorial/viper.png)
Now that is cool! 8)
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Used it to hack off some Exhaust lagging.
What is exhaust lagging?
I remember we had a computer once at one of our field offices that we needed to take back for repairs. There were several other jobs at the field office I needed to do, so I got our trainee at the time to pack the computer up in the car. The tranee goes away, then comes back about 5 seconds later, and tells me that he can't move the computer, as it's tied to the desk.
So off I go to find out what he means by being tied to a desk, and I find that someone has affixed this device to the computer, which essentially gives it a kensington lock point on the computer, and someone had installed a kensington lock through the device. So out comes the trusty PSTII, and the first thing I try to do is level the device off - not gonna happen. Whatever adhesive was used to fix it to the computer is so strong that the case bends and flexes with the device. So I then decide to attack the weakest part the the lock - the wire rope. Using the wire cutters, I was able to scissor my way through the plastic coated wire rope. Hurt like hell, but I was able to cut through it. Retired my tool that day in appreciation. I thought it deserved a good rest :)
BTW for those that are wondering, this is a kensington lock:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kensington-lock-connected.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kensington-lock-connected.jpg)
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Vipmeridian?
How about something like...
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u298/supratentorial/viper.png)
Ooh, I like it. Let me go mess around for a bit, you've given me an idea!
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How's this?
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How's this?
That's cool! Is that your pet snake?!
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Haha! No it's my favorite type of snake though, the Gaboon Viper.
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Is it too big?
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Is it too big?
I think it would look a bit better if it was shorter and maybe a bit wider.
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I think it would look a bit better if it was shorter and maybe a bit wider.
Easy to say when someone else makes your sig pics for you :P
(On Topic - the large flathead on my PST snapped)
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I think it would look a bit better if it was shorter and maybe a bit wider.
Easy to say when someone else makes your sig pics for you :P
I took it as an honest answer to an question asked.
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(On Topic - the large flathead on my PST snapped)
SNAPPED?! Ouch, that's a bummer. :( How did it happen? Under normal use, or abnormal abuse?
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SNAPPED?! Ouch, that's a bummer. Sad How did it happen? Under normal use, or abnormal abuse?
Officially, I was innocently turning a mildly stiff screw.
Unofficially I was cracking concrete around a bathroom tile.
It never would have happened if I was using the Vic Cap Lifter!
Fortunately, Tim saw fit to equip the PST with no less than Three dedicated flat heads ::)
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Fortunately, Tim saw fit to equip the PST with no less than Three dedicated flat heads ::)
Those only appear to be flatheads to the unsophisticated user. In actuality, each one is a combination scraper/screwdriver/prybar/concrete cracker. ;)
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Those only appear to be flatheads to the unsophisticated user. In actuality, each one is a combination scraper/screwdriver/prybar/concrete cracker.
Indeed they only appear to be Flatheads.
I tried the Medium sized out today, this time on a legitimate bolt, and it was absolutely useless, due to the (lets say "cheap") design of the PST drivers, they either slip out and stabbity your hand, or cause damage to whatever you're trying to fix long before they'll undue a slotheaded screw that is done up with any sort of seriousness.
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How's this? Can you tell what it is the back? It's the same species of snake, but the negative makes it harder to make out, in my opinion.
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I wouldn't recognise it if I wasn't looking for it, and even looking I'm not sure I'm seeing what is actually there.
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Yeah, I figured it would be too complicated. It's a Gaboon Viper brandishing its fangs.
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What about this?
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What about this?
Best so far! :)
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SNAPPED?! Ouch, that's a bummer. Sad How did it happen? Under normal use, or abnormal abuse?
Officially, I was innocently turning a mildly stiff screw.
Unofficially I was cracking concrete around a bathroom tile.
It never would have happened if I was using the Vic Cap Lifter!
Fortunately, Tim saw fit to equip the PST with no less than Three dedicated flat heads ::)
So whatcha gonna do about the busted screwdriver Nomad? Is it totally broken off, or is there enough left sticking out that you can re-profile it on a grinder?
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I'm in concurrence with J-Sews on that one Viper.
So whatcha gonna do about the busted screwdriver Nomad? Is it totally broken off, or is there enough left sticking out that you can re-profile it on a grinder?
There probably is at that, I was just going to dismantle it and see what other tools I could fit in the space.
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Yes, think I'll keep this one. It's less complicated, and you guys probably already know that I like multi-tools and knives.
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you guys probably already know that I like multi-tools and knives.
Hey, you do?
Cool, I know this neat forum...
My PST is loose enough that during "Quickdraw" the blade managed to flick out in time to stab me but good.
I'm not all that worried, if I was actually using it and snapped it closed, the Knife-side-handle would be up against my palm - that's just the way I hold it.
But since I was dicking around, I had the File side in my palm, and got bloodied for my troubles.
Still, it'd take more than a few lost fingers to dampen my affection - for all the Wave's locking blades, one hand opening knifies, and cushiony handles, it lacks the no-frills, bullsmurf-free* beauty of the PST
*Well, as little bullsmurf as folding pocket pliers with built in screwdrivers can manage - there will always be something a little moist, warm, and funky smelling about Multitools.
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Pictures! (A moment of thanks for the reckless disposal of serviceable equipment by modern consumers!)
I've ordered some modifications to my PST, which requires sending some blades to the machine shop.
PST blades -
Is it usual only to have one washer?
After using various high-end Pliers, genuine vice grips, and other precision tools to carefully and meticulously round off the edges on the bolt/nut, I managed to open 'er up using Soon-to-be-Hawkchucker's SideClip
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Pictures! (A moment of thanks for the reckless disposal of serviceable equipment by modern consumers!)
I've ordered some modifications to my PST, which requires sending some blades to the machine shop.
PST blades -
Is it usual only to have one washer?
After using various high-end Pliers, genuine vice grips, and other precision tools to carefully and meticulously round off the edges on the bolt/nut, I managed to open 'er up using Soon-to-be-Hawkchucker's SideClip
We are told to use only the right tool for the job, but quite a number of tools work well for rounding off the the edges of Leatherman knurled screws.... :D :pok:
So don't leave us all hanging on the edge of our seats Nomad, what are these modifications you have on order?
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Yeah we wanna know. :)
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Mods have not happened.
I've got a Question - Does anyone know if any changes were made to the PST wire cutter area throughout production?
Could some folks with PSTs please show some pics of the wire cutters (not side on, but looking down on them from above with the plier jaws open)
(I'm wondering if mine are a funny shape, or have distorted with use)
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No joy? I'll try to snap a pic of mine then, and you can jes tell me if yours be different.
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Does this help at all?
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t41/benniehunts/IMG_0221.jpg)
Struggled to get the lighting right, so sorry about the shadow!
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Not really, teh beh onneh.
Need to be looking straight down the jaws of the plier head, lengthways.
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Not really, teh beh onneh.
Need to be looking straight down the jaws of the plier head, lengthways.
I'll try and take some more for you tonight.
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I tried to take some then but couldn't get enough definition.
I'll play with the macro (?) after some Driving Juice and see how I go.
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Ok here are a couple more for you. I forgot to change it to tungsten as Terry suggested so they are a bit yellow but you get the idea.
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t41/benniehunts/IMG_0235.jpg)
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t41/benniehunts/IMG_0238.jpg)
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Okay, that first one in the last post is perfect.
What year is your tool?
Can someone with a real new one take the same pic?
The wire cutters on mine are a lot thinner and a different shape - they look a lot less sturdy.
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My codes are 1200
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Just a gentle prod for Hawk to take and post some pics for me :pok:
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I will do it in the morning!!!
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By the way it is a o4/03 That I got from the Land Down Under>
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What am I? Some young sprout with eyes that work?
I can't see that tiny little pic!
- I'm trying to work out if the cutters have the same look as the first pic in Benner's reply (Reply #119)
(Mine are 1003 - and the cutters look a lot less substantial)
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Nope they are the same. Unfortunatly the missus dropped the didgi and I am forced to use the phone >:(
But it appears to be the same as Benners.
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Damnit!
Every one I have seen has been like Benners, yet mine is not.
What gives?
I'll try again to get a photo of it so y'all can see what I'm talking about.
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I would be interested in seeing it. I was unaware other than the hard wire notch there are any variations.
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A picture, in lieu of nothing being able to take photos.
Note the thinner cutters overall, and where they would overlap - the top model as "stops" further out from the plier head, but mine has flat all the way.
If I can't get an explanation from here (arguably the best Multitool resource in the world), I might have to take it on my next trip to the Leatherman Aus office.
Another oddity is the "E" in LEATHERMAN on the plier head is cut funny, but that obviously doesn't affect the function of the tool.
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Nomad
I went back and was looking at all the tools I have and that head loks like the cutters on the sideclip you sent me. Identical in every way.
Could it be a sideclip head on a pst?
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What's the Dates on the Sideclip? (I should know that, since I posted it somewhere before)
I understand the heads on PSTs, Sideclips, and 1998 Waves were all the same? So anyone with an Old Wave could help out here too.
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Ok there are 4 of them.
12/03
01/04
01/04
02/04
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I definitely have a PST head, it's not flattened off like the Sideclip ones.
But since I'm not alone it seems that just before they stopped making them, they changed the cutter style.
Conspiracy indeed.
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What's the Dates on the Sideclip? (I should know that, since I posted it somewhere before)
I understand the heads on PSTs, Sideclips, and 1998 Waves were all the same? So anyone with an Old Wave could help out here too.
I think:
The Old Wave has always had the same plier head as the Pulse.
The PST has it's own head in comparison to the SideClip. The SideClip head is beveled on one side to provide clearence for the knife blade due to the thinner handes. This is continued in the current line-up with the Kick plier head, it's the new shape but beveled on one side.
Old Wave:
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,1534.0.html
SideClip:
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,3562.0.html
PST:
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,1056.msg12162.html#msg12162
There are, course, incongruities. I think I have seen a pre-2004 Wave with the oval 2004+ head. Or was it a 2004 Wave with the pre-2004 head? And of course, the earliest PSTs had different heads than the later models:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=531577
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Also, I have 3 PSTs coming to me of various vintage. I will compare the wirecutters to the picture you have posted.
I guess.
:P
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Your Marquette Sideclip appears to have the Wider cutters, but in your Wave/Wave head pic - it is hard to tell, but maybe the lower one has the thinner cutters?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v12/spoonman/P5230378.jpg)
Well, we know the thin cutters appear on PST and Sideclip heads - we need to confirm its existance on Pulse/OldWaves.
I'd say it is a newer design, as so far it has only appeared on the "New Style" heads, (Second Generation? Between the old angular ones, and the new-new ellipse ones) with tools from '04.
Hawks PST (with the Wider Cutters) is a LEATHERMAN TOOL one, not a LEATHERMAN USA one - so that's not the deciding factor.
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Ah!
The lower Wave does have the thinner cutters.
It's a 04 model.
My 01 Pulse has the arrow similar to the Wave but is has the wider edge.
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So why change them all right before discontinuing?
and for The Big Question -
Is it better or worse?
Mine are, for lack of a better word "Munted" - The sure as heck can't cut paper (Just tried then - had to get to 5 layers before it cut rather than folded it), and when they are closed I can still see light though the Hard Wire notch.
They make a mess of stranded copper wire.
However- I've been using them to hack up steel welding rod. I'm a little disappointed that such an act would damage the tool, but not all that offended, as I've had it do worse to cheapie Diagonal Cutters.
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So why change them all right before discontinuing?
The thinner style is the same as on the current tools. My Blast, Wave and Kick all have that style.
I assume this was part of their continual updating.
L-R: 2004 Wave, Kick, Blast, 2000 PST.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v14/redmodels/DSCF1942.jpg)
I think it is as good or better, they all seem to cut Zip-ties, paper and wire the same as I can tell. Might be a durability matter or an ease of production thing.
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Huh, I didn't think to check my New Wave.
Still doesn't really explain Why though.
We rather understand SwissTool heads by now, and the reasoning behind each change.
I hope someone thought it was technically better- Price Cut changes bother me (as they do many people, who are more interested in effective quality rather than what it costs)
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Well, my PST can no longer cut .8mm "hard wire", which is a little bit annoying.
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Time to send it in Nomad for an adjustment.
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Bugger that mate, it's still good (for a while longer...)
Anyway, then I'll have to explain "uhh, just fix the plier head thanks, the broken/ground screwdrivers were my fault"
'sides, what if it easier for them to replace it?
I may have only had this for a few months, but it's my tool, and I paid $150, I would be offended for it to be thrown out and merely replaced.
(Though at $150, it seems that there are probably one or two replacements "built in" to the initial cost ::) )
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If you send it to LM it will be free and they will probably replace it!
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If you send it to LM it will be free and they will probably replace it!
But that's what Nomad didn't want to happen.
Come to think of it, Nomad, you aren't going soft on us by getting all attached are you? :P
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Come to think of it, Nomad, you aren't going soft on us by getting all attached are you?
Nope. I'll happily send it in when it is beyond use, I just want my money's worth of destruction >:D
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Well, it's been six months.
Not exactly an era, but certainly long enough for me to be well aware of the many foibles of this very dated tool design.
Where to from here?
There's no tool out there that addresses ALL the faults to produce some sort of Ultra-Tool.
Spirit gives you more functions.
Wave gives you one handed.
Swisstool & Core gives you bulk & strength.
How do you choose?!
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Love the PST but there is a lot it can't do :(
How do you choose?!
I have been asking myself the same thing, I guess just buy as many as you can afford :pok: :D and I'll do the same :D
By the way have red the whole post (back when I joined) one of the posts which actually caused me to join :cheers:
how is your ole PST doing have you broke it in 2 yet? >:D
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Nomads Home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Time for a photo extravaganzer.
I apologise for darkness, I artificially lit the area, then the camera tuned it out...
anyway,
After 11 months of service, abuse, being intentionally rusted, and recently being retired to my car glovebox and replaced by a LM Kick, here is what my very first Leatherman PST looks like.
(http://i35.tinypic.com/es3odi.jpg)
The semi-disassembled PST
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2z9k403.jpg)
Pivot Rust - perhaps too dark to see.
At this point I wish I was at work and could resize using my super-computer, instead of an online resizer that takes some time.
(http://i33.tinypic.com/347e6p0.jpg)
(http://i37.tinypic.com/pspae.jpg)
(http://i38.tinypic.com/dnhimw.jpg)
Crap at hingey end.
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2rhurte.jpg)
Phillips Tip Rust
(http://i36.tinypic.com/21c8sjl.jpg)
Assorted Grime.
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2lb0sxd.jpg)
rust inside handles.
(http://i34.tinypic.com/vilh85.jpg)
Rust on plier pivot
Colorful Enunciation this is boring, I must have started this post 15 minutes ago!
(http://i36.tinypic.com/akd5kk.jpg)
Amateur blade sharpening.
(http://i34.tinypic.com/2iawxac.jpg)
snapped & reshaped slot head
(http://i38.tinypic.com/2w6fiux.jpg)
slightly mangled wire cutter.
For those interested, I took out the bolts using the pliers of two other LMs. So golf to your fancy socket-systems and flat wrenchs.
As an aside, can someone tell me the order of tools & washers for each handle?
I wiped it down with a cotton cloth and reassembled - With the exception of the some of the plier-head & phillips tip (non polished areas), all the seeming "rust" was actually just filth that wiped away.
I lost a washer...
Even without knives, can openers and whatnot, the PST makes a real neat looking pocket-pliers. I'd be reasonably happy if it just had a selection of drivers in each handle, and left the knife/can opener/awlery to a Vic SAK.
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11 months not to shabby for the little ole PST :tu: Good test for the original MT :cheers: I'd say that it probably has done very well by the pics minus a little damage and not much rust (but who hasn't damaged or broken a tool if used much :ahhh ) Especially if used hard ;) As I said before great test of the PST Nomad :D
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Good test for the original MT
Not really the original - it's one of the latest PST's before they were discontinued.
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It's the original model of MT nonetheless ;) Even with a newer plier head :D
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PST found its way into my pocket again today...
It might not be comfortable, the cutters might not quite work any more, the tools might clump and not necessarily be of the best design, but I can't help it - it's so smooth and neat, no wasted space, butterflies open with a flick. Everyone should have one.
If only they were as cost-effective as SAKs...
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I misplaced one of my Kicks somewhere, so my PST is back in the pocket every day.
Even as it is, it out performs half of the "Real" tools I'm supplied with for work (It can't be said that they broke the budget on my tool kit - my PST cuts (with some grunting) up to six strands of steel wire, whereas the supplied wire cutters I'm supposed to use (and have been told off for not using) struggle with two or more.
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The PST is great Nomad like I have read somewhere here before almost the perfect tool :tu:
What you need to do is track down an original Super Tool all that's great about the PST but a little bigger and beefier :o
I was surprised when I got it how much slimmer it was than some of my other MTs :)
Then you could do a test on it like you did the PST :D
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PST was my favorite EDC up until I got the Skeletool. Really nice balance of compactness, ruggedness, and selection of tools