Sometimes the input of members is a bit overwhelming..... :facepalm:should I have put two popcorns??? :popcorn: :popcorn:
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I purposely got an OHT so I could do a comparison review between it and the center-drive. Seems great minds think a like, just wish I'd jumped on it quicker. :oops:
I think both tools are decent tools but one is definitely heads above the other. Even though the Leatherman OHT is lighter and small I feel the sheath that comes with it sucks. I've ended up putting mine in my SOG Powerassist sheath. I do wish it came with a better one, maybe even horizontal carry would be nice. I've eyed the sheath someone made to copy the one used in Jurassic World but the price is steep, maybe not so for a custom case. Course it's got authenticity papers and serialized or something. Hands down the Center-drive sheath is better for various reasons. It supports verticle and horizontal carry and has a much stronger Velcro closure. It doesn't hold the included bit kit real well but beggars cannot be choosers.I purposely got an OHT so I could do a comparison review between it and the center-drive. Seems great minds think a like, just wish I'd jumped on it quicker. :oops:
I am very interested in hearing your results too Dave- I am not now, nor have I ever been the be all, end all voice on this site. A forum isn't much good without input from everyone. :D
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I purposely got an OHT so I could do a comparison review between it and the center-drive. Seems great minds think a like, just wish I'd jumped on it quicker. :oops:
You say that, but the one thing no one mentions with the OHT is that while everything is accessible one handed, you still need two hands because half the tools are accessible with the left and half are accessible with the right.
Kind of like the way Leatherman promotes one handed opening on the Charge, Skeletool and Wave models but neglect to mention that they are only one handed opening if you are right handed.
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On the Center Drive, do you have to slide open the pliers to get access to the tools on the handles?
I'm shocked this isn't mentioned or talked about. It's an absoloute deal breaker for me personally. It's a extra step for nearly everything you will want to do with the tools. I don't get it :think:On the Center Drive, do you have to slide open the pliers to get access to the tools on the handles?
Some, yes. The internal tools.
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I'm shocked this isn't mentioned or talked about. It's an absoloute deal breaker for me personally. It's a extra step for nearly everything you will want to do with the tools. I don't get it :think:On the Center Drive, do you have to slide open the pliers to get access to the tools on the handles?
Some, yes. The internal tools.
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It's the reason I can't edc a supertool. But worse. >:D
I do. Very simple locking mechanism. For me to get a tool open and useable in either tool, it is a very different process feel. Almost night and day. I'd like to hear others experience regarding this issue, I could be out on a limb here, but I doubt it...I'm shocked this isn't mentioned or talked about. It's an absoloute deal breaker for me personally. It's a extra step for nearly everything you will want to do with the tools. I don't get it :think:On the Center Drive, do you have to slide open the pliers to get access to the tools on the handles?
Some, yes. The internal tools.
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It's the reason I can't edc a supertool. But worse. >:D
Don't you edc a Rebar... :D :rofl:
CD is more for mechanics and OHT is more outdoorsy.
It will be hard to compare.
:cheers:CD is more for mechanics and OHT is more outdoorsy.
It will be hard to compare.
You say that, but there are an awful lot of similarities between them.
Leatherman had the OHT designed and ready to go the very second that the Gerber sliding head patent expired- I know, I had seen it before the patent expiration, and Leatherman made no secret of the fact that they were going to do it. If Leatherman is going to try and make a Gerber, it only makes sense to compare it to the real thing. As the Freehand is discontinued, the Center-Drive makes a more fitting comparison since it is more on par size wise with the OHT.
Both tools are larger than the MP600. I'll try and get a comparison photo for you Gareth.
Def
CD is more for mechanics and OHT is more outdoorsy.I think this is probably the best simplistic comparison I've heard, true and straight to the point. Well done sir.
It will be hard to compare.
CD is more for mechanics and OHT is more outdoorsy.I think this is probably the best simplistic comparison I've heard, true and straight to the point. Well done sir.
It will be hard to compare.
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Will you please touch on the points of tool access and ease of use. How convenient and efficient it is to access tools?
First off, no and secondly no. I was trying to make the point that sometimes the tool isn't bad it's just how it's being used. Also you have people like me, who use it in both application, then it's really nice to have this kind of comparison. Can't we all just get along, they are both winners in my book.CD is more for mechanics and OHT is more outdoorsy.I think this is probably the best simplistic comparison I've heard, true and straight to the point. Well done sir.
It will be hard to compare.
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I guess I'm wasting my time with all of this then?
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CD is more for mechanics and OHT is more outdoorsy.I think this is probably the best simplistic comparison I've heard, true and straight to the point. Well done sir.
It will be hard to compare.
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Will you please touch on the points of tool access and ease of use. How convenient and efficient it is to access tools?
Just to address some of the comments so far- yes, you probably can access all of the functions one handed if you are dexterous enough, however, that is a skill that you have developed. I am reviewing this for someone who has neither and is looking at the two of them on the shelf and trying to decide which one to buy. Since these two are about as close as tools from these two companies have ever gotten (except maybe the PST and MPT) I thought it was an excellent opportunity to put them together and see how they stack up. That guy wouldn't have the ability to open the tools using different fingers, and neither would someone like my father, who has lost some of his hand strength and coordination as he gets older.
No need to apologise- this is an open forum and we accept the input of everyone. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a forum, it would be an againstum. :pok:
I just wanted to make the counterpoint that the tool was designed with the standard one handed opening method where the thumb is used to open the tool. There's a lot of stuff that people can do, or can learn to do, but it isn't the standard and may not be instinctive. That was my only point.
Def
No need to apologise- this is an open forum and we accept the input of everyone. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a forum, it would be an againstum. :pok:
I just wanted to make the counterpoint that the tool was designed with the standard one handed opening method where the thumb is used to open the tool. There's a lot of stuff that people can do, or can learn to do, but it isn't the standard and may not be instinctive. That was my only point.
Def
Great comparison so far Grant :tu:
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I almost did the :popcorn: actually.Great comparison so far Grant :tu:
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:popcorn:
Sorry, couldn't help it. :D
It's not often that you get two such similar tools from different manufacturers to put head to head. It's actually been kind of fun to pit them against eachother.
Def
The OHT does have a slightly greater surface area on the cutters, which would be an advantage, but the Gerber cutters can be rotated to present a fresh surface when one surface gets dull or damaged.
Additionally, the percentage of the head that is cut out to accommodate the replaceable cutters is more significant on the OHT than the more robust head of the Center-Drive, potentially providing a weak point during hard use. The first point goes to Gerber.
Very nice comparison review Def...
I don't own both and was just wondering, will there be some kind of actual use test comparing performance? Or has anybody done so.
Part 1 got me really curious about the CD and went to look at some reviews over at youtube.
A video by wealljuggleknives says that the serrated blade on the cd is not sharp as compared to a SAK, an MP600 (I think) and some LM tools (don't remember which model) and even shows this with a papercut test.
On another video by someone else, the replaceable wire cutters shattered while trying to cut a stainless steel wire. The CD belonged to this guy's friend.
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.... wire cutters are for wire and not stainless steel rod.
Same here. Well, kind of the same. I do not have anything against Gerber, it's just the bashing that got to me. I have a Dime, two EABs, and a MP400. The plier on the 400 is so nice, I usually grab that one, rather than remove my Rebar from the pouch or go for a big tool.
I passed by Bunnings on my way home today, and they finally brought Gerbers. I really liked the CenterDrive's size. I could see myself using it, and I do want a full size Gerber anyway.
You have a point there Z... was just amazed how the other serrated blades cut paper like butter...Very nice comparison review Def...
I don't own both and was just wondering, will there be some kind of actual use test comparing performance? Or has anybody done so.
Part 1 got me really curious about the CD and went to look at some reviews over at youtube.
A video by wealljuggleknives says that the serrated blade on the cd is not sharp as compared to a SAK, an MP600 (I think) and some LM tools (don't remember which model) and even shows this with a papercut test.
On another video by someone else, the replaceable wire cutters shattered while trying to cut a stainless steel wire. The CD belonged to this guy's friend.
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One, cutting paper with a serrated blade is a silly test. Two, wire cutters are for wire and not stainless steel rod.
If a serrated blade is sharp enough it will glide right through paper even when passing through multiple scallops on the blade. Paper isn't really a good way of telling it's actual effectiveness, but it is cool to see the serrations perform just as well if not better than a plain edge at it. If the center drive doesn't come as sharp, all one would need to do is just sharpen is on a sharp-maker or other triangle stone for it to be just as sharp. That said, maybe the average person doesn't have a triangle stone laying around.You have a point there Z... was just amazed how the other serrated blades cut paper like butter...Very nice comparison review Def...
I don't own both and was just wondering, will there be some kind of actual use test comparing performance? Or has anybody done so.
Part 1 got me really curious about the CD and went to look at some reviews over at youtube.
A video by wealljuggleknives says that the serrated blade on the cd is not sharp as compared to a SAK, an MP600 (I think) and some LM tools (don't remember which model) and even shows this with a papercut test.
On another video by someone else, the replaceable wire cutters shattered while trying to cut a stainless steel wire. The CD belonged to this guy's friend.
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One, cutting paper with a serrated blade is a silly test. Two, wire cutters are for wire and not stainless steel rod.
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I did not see that coming. Excellent points made, this is hands down the best comparison I have ever read. :salute:
I still like the CD better. The OHT is too wide, and the pliers are tiny. Isn't the plier head comparable to the Juice?
I'd say, made the head larger, get rid of the hook so the blade is as long as it can be, get rid of a flathead or the can-opener and make the saw longer. Maybe add the Surge reamer, why not.
Even the CD can be improved. Drop the serrated blade for a saw, and the file for a hacksaw holder, and put an actual reamer instead of that balloon buster. Why not have double sided bits too?
As it is, I am warming up to the CD by the day.
Two, wire cutters are for wire and not stainless steel rod.
my lack of a personal need for a can opener means that the Center-Drive gets this point,
I have a incoming center drive.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170327/6aa3ace3cc4aa23efaebcf7671d8b115.jpg)
I have a incoming center drive.Received it yesterday, I am impressed, definitely the best Gerber tool so far, many improvements were made. It doesn't offer too many functions but it performs well for everything it does, I can see it would be useful for handyman or construction workers who use the tool a lot.
Leatherman did a sliding plier head tool to try and steal some of the military contracts that call for a sliding head plier tool. Many military agencies like the Gerbers, but they can't only open a contract to only one manufacturer, so they stipulated something in the contract that would take the other competitors out thanks to Gerber's patent.
When the patent expired, Leatherman had the OHT already designed and ready to go, so they could get right on stealing those contracts.
Except that the OHT is much more expensive, bulkier and with no significant improvements over the MP600, which kind of defeats the purpose of having it in the first place. :facepalm:
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IMO sliding pliers is win.
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IMO sliding pliers is win.
Why do you think that? I can see some cases where sliding pliers are advantageous but in general I feel the usual, butterfly opening style MTs are more versatile when it comes to using the rest of the implements.
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IMO sliding pliers is win.
Why do you think that? I can see some cases where sliding pliers are advantageous but in general I feel the usual, butterfly opening style MTs are more versatile when it comes to using the rest of the implements.
Easier to disengage a jam. Deployment. Jaws open wider. Simple strong design. Different handle pivots.
I also like sog's geared pliers but feel the rest of their tool design lets them down.
Totally understand butterfly openers have their good points, just found once I put some wear on them they can be annoying.
I hear the Schrade Tough Tool is a good one to get hold of :pok:...
IMO sliding pliers is win.
Why do you think that? I can see some cases where sliding pliers are advantageous but in general I feel the usual, butterfly opening style MTs are more versatile when it comes to using the rest of the implements.
Easier to disengage a jam. Deployment. Jaws open wider. Simple strong design. Different handle pivots.
I also like sog's geared pliers but feel the rest of their tool design lets them down.
Totally understand butterfly openers have their good points, just found once I put some wear on them they can be annoying.
Agreed on pliers, I don't get different handle pivots, could you explain?
Butterfly style, you mean like the handles loosening and moving around freely?
Good thing I'm a SAK/knife guy and sold on my Swisstools so don't intend to look any further :ahhh (unless something catches my attention).
I hear the Schrade Tough Tool is a good one to get hold of :pok:...
IMO sliding pliers is win.
Why do you think that? I can see some cases where sliding pliers are advantageous but in general I feel the usual, butterfly opening style MTs are more versatile when it comes to using the rest of the implements.
Easier to disengage a jam. Deployment. Jaws open wider. Simple strong design. Different handle pivots.
I also like sog's geared pliers but feel the rest of their tool design lets them down.
Totally understand butterfly openers have their good points, just found once I put some wear on them they can be annoying.
Agreed on pliers, I don't get different handle pivots, could you explain?
Butterfly style, you mean like the handles loosening and moving around freely?
Good thing I'm a SAK/knife guy and sold on my Swisstools so don't intend to look any further :ahhh (unless something catches my attention).
That's a scandawlous accusation.I hear the Schrade Tough Tool is a good one to get hold of :pok:...
IMO sliding pliers is win.
Why do you think that? I can see some cases where sliding pliers are advantageous but in general I feel the usual, butterfly opening style MTs are more versatile when it comes to using the rest of the implements.
Easier to disengage a jam. Deployment. Jaws open wider. Simple strong design. Different handle pivots.
I also like sog's geared pliers but feel the rest of their tool design lets them down.
Totally understand butterfly openers have their good points, just found once I put some wear on them they can be annoying.
Agreed on pliers, I don't get different handle pivots, could you explain?
Butterfly style, you mean like the handles loosening and moving around freely?
Good thing I'm a SAK/knife guy and sold on my Swisstools so don't intend to look any further :ahhh (unless something catches my attention).
I don't trust you, magentus; you're probably just trying to get rid of the awl puns :D
Agreed on pliers, I don't get different handle pivots, could you explain?
Butterfly style, you mean like the handles loosening and moving around freely?
Good thing I'm a SAK/knife guy and sold on my Swisstools so don't intend to look any further :ahhh (unless something catches my attention).