Post by: kjh1962 on November 02, 2021, 02:07:25 AM
https://www.akti.org/state-knife-laws/new-york/
Post by: G-Dizzle on November 02, 2021, 02:20:28 AM
Post by: NutSAK on November 02, 2021, 02:33:42 AM
Post by: Farmer X on November 02, 2021, 03:13:10 AM
Post by: GearedForwards on November 02, 2021, 05:06:40 AM
With just reason (work for example): Anything that isn't on the forbidden weapons list, which includes all autos (flick knives), hidden or disguised knives, katanas etc.
Realistically you want to carry something that looks harmless to the easily scared/offended, and regardless of the legality using something in public or carrying something to the football or a pub is just a bad idea.
Unfortunately depending on your appearance you may enjoy a reasonable chance of freedom without being searched by an officer of the law.
Post by: kjh1962 on November 02, 2021, 05:47:38 AM
Post by: Chako on November 02, 2021, 07:13:57 AM
Post by: Alan K. on November 02, 2021, 07:22:07 AM
General carry: under 3 inches and folds with no lockSo if you're a ninja by profession and need to use a katana for work you're just out of luck then?
With just reason (work for example): Anything that isn't on the forbidden weapons list, which includes all autos (flick knives), hidden or disguised knives, katanas etc.
Realistically you want to carry something that looks harmless to the easily scared/offended, and regardless of the legality using something in public or carrying something to the football or a pub is just a bad idea.
Unfortunately depending on your appearance you may enjoy a reasonable chance of freedom without being searched by an officer of the law.
Post by: Farmer X on November 02, 2021, 08:37:52 AM
Edit: a link to Michigan's knife laws is below. I find it odd that one case study mentions that the case in question was kicked off by a stop for "loud exhaust."
https://www.akti.org/state-knife-laws/michigan/
Post by: dks on November 02, 2021, 08:45:10 AM
Post by: kottskrapa on November 02, 2021, 09:45:08 AM
If you can justify it it's alright. No tacticool monsters or things that have a purpose of hurting someone but if you are an average Joe there are no problems at all. If you are a somewhat suspicious person you can't even have a screwdriver on you
[It's not failure if you learn something from it]
Post by: nate j on November 02, 2021, 02:18:08 PM
Pennsylvania prohibits automatic knives, but otherwise is pretty open outside of Philadelphia, which essentially bans the carry of knives.
Post by: pfrsantos on November 02, 2021, 02:51:23 PM
In NY a stiletto is legal. :dunno:
So... we're talking 'bout shoes, now?!
??? ???
Post by: G-Dizzle on November 02, 2021, 02:54:36 PM
In NY a stiletto is legal. :dunno:I remember reading about several guys who got arrested and charged for a simple buck knife in new york.
Post by: SurgeUk on November 02, 2021, 07:30:10 PM
General carry: under 3 inches and folds with no lock
With just reason (work for example): Anything that isn't on the forbidden weapons list, which includes all autos (flick knives), hidden or disguised knives, katanas etc.
Realistically you want to carry something that looks harmless to the easily scared/offended, and regardless of the legality using something in public or carrying something to the football or a pub is just a bad idea.
Unfortunately depending on your appearance you may enjoy a reasonable chance of freedom without being searched by an officer of the law.
:iagree:
I have to enforce the UK laws on import (which is a whole different game) but I also had to do the same, on the street, prior to this ::)
It is difficult to explain to someone outside of the UK (who hasn't had to live through all the background) :think:
Essentially we (UK) have a problem with idiots using cheap kitchen/carving knives (and bizarre Klingon/Zombie type combinations) to kill or maim innocent people :td: >:(
I and others have posted comments on other threads about the same issue but, whilst not actual legislation, the HH site has a pretty good grasp on this theme that may be of use to awl visiting this sceptered isle;
https://heinnie.com/blog/clarifying-uk-knife-law/ :salute: :cheers:
Post by: Ron Who on November 02, 2021, 07:43:59 PM
All weapons are illegal, except for military and police.
Some knives are considered weapons:
- double edged blades
- autos
- butterflies
Carrying knives that are not considered weapons may still be illegal, depending on why and where you carry them.
Carrying a fixed blade is illegal as well, owning it isn´t.
Post by: pa_strunk on November 02, 2021, 08:57:04 PM
https://www.akti.org/state-knife-laws/texas/
Post by: Alan K. on November 02, 2021, 09:58:20 PM
Post by: SteveC on November 02, 2021, 10:11:10 PM
Post by: trichosirius on November 03, 2021, 01:37:49 AM
Any knife having a blade measuring 12 inches or less may be freely carried.
Post by: Adam5 on November 03, 2021, 02:34:28 AM
Only knives that are illegal in North Carolina are ballistic, spring-loaded automatic knife or switchblade.
All knives are (in most cases) to be open carried except for pocket knives.
A pocket knife is considered to be:
"A small knife, made to carry in a pocket or purse, which has its cutting edge and point entirely enclosed by the handle, and that may not be opened by a throwing, explosive, or spring action."
Post by: G-Dizzle on November 03, 2021, 02:41:09 AM
https://www.tektogear.com/blogs/news/north-carolina-state-knife-laws-updated-2021-is-it-legal-to-carry-a-knife
Only knives that are illegal in North Carolina are ballistic, spring-loaded automatic knife or switchblade.
All knives are (in most cases) to be open carried except for pocket knives.
A pocket knife is considered to be:
"A small knife, made to carry in a pocket or purse, which has its cutting edge and point entirely enclosed by the handle, and that may not be opened by a throwing, explosive, or spring action."
Ah yes switchblade laws. Banning a knife because it “opens scary.” I guess that’s a lot of knife laws honestly.
Post by: nate j on November 03, 2021, 04:05:11 AM
Ah yes switchblade laws. Banning a knife because it “opens scary.” I guess that’s a lot of knife laws honestly.Yes. All smoke and mirrors and theatre and foolishness.
Consider that even in most places that essentially ban all knives (e.g. commercial air travel), items like medium-size screwdrivers and stout hickory walking canes are still allowed.
Post by: Farmer X on November 03, 2021, 07:48:58 AM
Dutch law:Not that I'm trying to throw a lit match into a pool of gasoline here...but what else is considered a "weapon" under Dutch law?
All weapons are illegal, except for military and police.
Ah yes switchblade laws. Banning a knife because it “opens scary.” I guess that’s a lot of knife laws honestly.I've noticed that there is a lot of ambiguity in knife legislation, too. See, as a case in point, the last paragraph in ATKI's approved definition of "dagger:"
https://www.akti.org/resources/akti-approved-knife-definitions/#dagger
Post by: Poncho65 on November 03, 2021, 11:36:38 AM
It is legal to own any type of knife in Tennessee including automatic, ballistic, switchblade, butterfly and “assisted opening” knives. There are no restrictions on the blade length of any knife being carried. Further, Tennessee makes no distinction between open and concealed carry of knives.
Machete open carry here I come :woohoo:
:rofl: Not really ::) but you guys had me curious to our knife laws and I guess since 2014 they have even lifted a law that said no blade length over 4 inches :ahhh
Of course there are plenty of no knife zones such as schools, government buildings and the like :salute:
Checking further ages under 18 can't buy certain knives and 16 and under also have a few extra restrictions :salute:
Post by: trichosirius on November 03, 2021, 02:17:16 PM
Never knew Tennessee knife laws because I have never had a problem but apparently we really don't have any is why :dunno: :D
It is legal to own any type of knife in Tennessee including automatic, ballistic, switchblade, butterfly and “assisted opening” knives. There are no restrictions on the blade length of any knife being carried. Further, Tennessee makes no distinction between open and concealed carry of knives.
Machete open carry here I come :woohoo:
:rofl: Not really ::) but you guys had me curious to our knife laws and I guess since 2014 they have even lifted a law that said no blade length over 4 inches :ahhh
Of course there are plenty of no knife zones such as schools, government buildings and the like :salute:
Checking further ages under 18 can't buy certain knives and 16 and under also have a few extra restrictions :salute:
You anywhere near Sevierville? :whistle:
I make a pilgrimage to my favorite store there every year. Probably accounts for half of my vacation expenses :facepalm:
Post by: Poncho65 on November 03, 2021, 02:21:00 PM
Tennessee is the knife collecting capital of the world (or at least I have read that somewhere :think: ) :woohoo:
Post by: pa_strunk on November 03, 2021, 02:49:43 PM
Is it still against the law in Texas to carry a Bowie knife? A knife made famous by one of the heroes of the Alamo?!?!!
Only if it is over 5 1/2 inches. I guess this does not bother me since I do not carry a Bowie or Rambo gear too often. :dunno:
Post by: Poncho65 on November 03, 2021, 03:41:01 PM
Never knew this til today :facepalm: :D
Guess that is why I see people with huge fixed blades in town sometime :D
Post by: trichosirius on November 03, 2021, 04:46:46 PM
I live a couple hours from SMKW and do try to get up there at least a couple times a year ;) :DNice :like:
Tennessee is the knife collecting capital of the world (or at least I have read that somewhere :think: ) :woohoo:
You guys do seem to have a lot of knife stores, I might have to retire there one day :D
Post by: Poncho65 on November 03, 2021, 07:32:28 PM
Nice :like:
You guys do seem to have a lot of knife stores, I might have to retire there one day :D
Plenty of people seem to be doing just that :salute:
We have just about all kinds of weather and if you don't like today's weather then tomorrow's may be completely different :D
Except for the 9.75% sales tax we really don't have high tax rates otherwise :tu:
Plus you can apparently sheath carry a Machete legally :shrug:
:rofl:
:nanadance: :nanadance:
Post by: powernoodle on November 03, 2021, 07:47:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/HTbtcGy.jpg)
Post by: Singh on November 18, 2021, 01:17:48 PM
where it gets interesting is other countries. Essentially stick to non-locking and 3" blades (ie, SAKs) and you'll most likely be fine. But again, google is your friend.
Post by: Sea Monster on November 18, 2021, 09:38:57 PM
Quote from: NSW prohibited weapons act
(8 ) A zombie knife or other device that has a multi-edged blade, including a serrated section of blade, and—
(a) is advertised or otherwise made available for sale using images or words that suggest the knife or device is intended to be used for violence, whether actual or threatened, against a person or fictional creature (such as a zombie), or
(b) has, on the blade or handle, images, words or markings that suggest the knife or device is intended to be used for violence, whether actual or threatened, against a person or fictional creature (such as a zombie), or has been used to inflict violence.
Post by: Farmer X on November 24, 2021, 08:52:42 PM
Post by: New_World on November 26, 2021, 05:32:04 AM
I use it as a tool of course to open boxes and such
Post by: Valkie on November 26, 2021, 10:52:55 AM
Most of Australia's state knife laws are pretty restrictive, along with bows, swords, crossbows, bb guns, etc etc - but one of the more interesting (however you want to consider the word "interesting") is an addition made in NSW a year or two ago....
Even carrying a tool such as a screwdriver or nail file can be interpreted as a weapon by the draconian Australian grubberment.
My old boss was arrested for drink driving ( low range)
Because he had a classic victorious his charge included carrying an offensive weapon.
He got off the drink driving charge because the second reading was below .05.
But the knife charge held up and he was fined.
A victorious classic, his car keys are bigger than that knife.
Post by: ReamerPunch on November 26, 2021, 12:52:51 PM
In my area (New South Wales) you must have a reasonable excuse to carry a knife.
A ‘reasonable excuse’ includes, but is not limited to, the knife being ‘reasonably necessary’ for:
-The lawful pursuit of an occupation, education or training,
-The preparation or consumption of food or drink,
-Participation in lawful entertainment, recreation or sport,
-Exhibition for retail, trade or collector purposes,
-Wearing an official uniform,
-Genuine religious purposes, or
-Travel to or from any of the above.
I could not find any information on specifics, like blade length, oho folders, opening mechanism, double-edged, etc.
Multi-tools and SAKs are ok, unless the cops think you are shady. Normal folders and fixed blades are ok if you are fishing/camping/hunting etc.
There's a bunch of stuff we cannot import, like throwing knives/axes/stars, automatic folders, double-edged blades, "zombie" knives also I think.
I've seen people doing kata and training with swords in parks, but I have to justify my Victorinox Manager. That makes sense. :salute:
Post by: Ron Who on November 26, 2021, 05:55:13 PM
Post by: Farmer X on November 26, 2021, 09:59:52 PM
The knife charge held up and he was fined.That's ridiculous. The only knife I can think of that's less threatening than a Classic is a micro Opinel!
A Victorinox classic, his car keys are bigger than that knife.
Isn't there a State that allows openly carrying katanas?I'm not sure how that would work here in the States. Federal law is one thing, but state and local governments sometimes adopt more restrictive laws. One thing is for sure: anyone carrying a sword in public will often be looked at askance.
Your knife laws are similar to a local ordinance I must abide by in that they're ambiguous. I know I'm subject to a three-inch blade length limit...but nowhere have I found how that's measured. Tip to tang or just the cutting edge? So, acting out of a huge overabundance of caution, I stick to three inches or less, tip to tang.
And having to justify a 58mm Victorinox is outright ridiculous. I've also heard that Canadian law does not interpret self-defense as a legitimate purpose for carrying a knife; perhaps one of our Canadian members can verify that?
Post by: ReamerPunch on November 27, 2021, 03:47:33 AM
Even when you catch someone breaking in your house, force must be proportionate. You can only use whatever the burglar is using, or anything below that class of weapon. If the burglar has a knife, you can use a knife. If he has a tire iron, you can use a tire iron. The burglar cannot be at a disadvantage. It has to be a fair match, because when you are done defending your loved ones from being harmed and valuables from being stolen, judges will step in to score the fight, and you will be penalized for having a better self defense weapon. So while you may have won the fight, you will lose points and not advance to the finals. :cheers:
Post by: Jothra on November 27, 2021, 08:53:02 AM
I cannot speak for Canada, but here self defense is not a reasonable excuse to carry a knife. Carrying anything for the purposes of self defense is illegal.With the exception of certain prohibited things (automatic knives, gravity knives, and push daggers come to mind), carrying and using knives as tools is legal. If your explicitly stated reason for carry is self defense, then you're looking for trouble.
Post by: Andetto on December 11, 2021, 05:04:10 AM
No rules or regulations here.
People carrying traditional daggers on their shoulders and walking around town, is a normal thing.
Only if you are involved in a problem, were police discovers you tried to use a knife, then it might be a problem.
One of the few things I like about living here :D
Regards
Post by: Sea Monster on December 11, 2021, 05:16:07 AM
Isn't there a State that allows openly carrying katanas? More like "sword laws" there I guess.
In my area (New South Wales) you must have a reasonable excuse to carry a knife.
A ‘reasonable excuse’ includes, but is not limited to, the knife being ‘reasonably necessary’ for:
-The lawful pursuit of an occupation, education or training,
-The preparation or consumption of food or drink,
-Participation in lawful entertainment, recreation or sport,
-Exhibition for retail, trade or collector purposes,
-Wearing an official uniform,
-Genuine religious purposes, or
-Travel to or from any of the above.
I could not find any information on specifics, like blade length, oho folders, opening mechanism, double-edged, etc.
Multi-tools and SAKs are ok, unless the cops think you are shady. Normal folders and fixed blades are ok if you are fishing/camping/hunting etc.
There's a bunch of stuff we cannot import, like throwing knives/axes/stars, automatic folders, double-edged blades, "zombie" knives also I think.
I've seen people doing kata and training with swords in parks, but I have to justify my Victorinox Manager. That makes sense. :salute:
In South Australia you can used swords (and bows for that matter) in a public park, as long as you tell/ask the council first, and put up bunting to stop random people walking into the danger zone
Post by: ToolJoe on December 12, 2021, 11:25:27 PM
Post by: Aloha on December 13, 2021, 04:25:12 AM
Post by: Valkie on December 15, 2021, 08:01:26 AM
The intruder knocked the man down, grabbed the woman by her bag and dragged her out into the street in an attempt to get the bag off her, it was across her body, so she couldn't get it off while she was being pulled along.
The man staggered to his feet and with blood pouring from a head wound, and grabbed a samurai sword and perused the criminal.
Out in the street, the criminal pulled a gun (unbeknownst to the man it was a replica)
The man, thinking his wife was in danger, used the sword and killed the criminal.
The man was arrested, charged and now faces a lengthy term behind bars.
As far as I'm aware, he is still awaiting sentencing.
Australia, where self defence is a myth
And defending yourself or your loved ones will put you behind bars.
Post by: buggs on December 17, 2021, 05:24:09 AM
With the exception of certain prohibited things (automatic knives, gravity knives, and push daggers come to mind), carrying and using knives as tools is legal. If your explicitly stated reason for carry is self defense, then you're looking for trouble.
i think we have to be careful with certain knives even if they are technically legal in Canada. I'm thinking of Benchmade knives of which I own several, most of which I bought from the eBay and had shipped from the U.S. They can be sold here by Cabela's and other retailers, but they tighten down the opening substantially as opposed to the American versions that are essentially assisted openers. I could call my Benchmade Osborne a tool and they'd still look at me sideways and confiscate it.
Which brings up the other point: you're never carrying a knife, you're carrying a tool. As you indicate, you're not carrying for self defense as an explanation and in reality most of us are not sufficiently trained in self defense to even be able to use it properly. It may be nice to fantasize about carrying a weapon for self defense (for some) but odds are it'll just get turned back against most.
Post by: Fireman on December 17, 2021, 12:14:31 PM
Everyone in my area is required to carry a pocket knife at all times. Punishment for not having a knife is getting a hard time from the guy who lets you use his. :whistle:
That is as it should be. :tu:
Post by: Fireman on December 17, 2021, 12:21:10 PM
"Common pocket knives" are legal to carry. With a Concealed Weapons Permit you can carry knives as weapons, except in cities or counties that prohibit that. :facepalm:
There are off limits areas for any knife, such as courts, police stations, schools, etc.
Post by: genevabuck on December 24, 2021, 01:45:27 AM
Post by: Lemonizer on December 28, 2021, 09:00:35 PM
I guess if you aren't acting like a shady guy, for a SAK, it's alright ! But I wouldn't try a folder :ahhh
Post by: fuyume on December 29, 2021, 04:28:54 PM
Post by: fuyume on December 29, 2021, 04:37:26 PM
https://www.akti.org/state-knife-laws/pennsylvania/
Pennsylvania prohibits automatic knives, but otherwise is pretty open outside of Philadelphia, which essentially bans the carry of knives.
This is the first time I’m hearing of this. The Philadelphia ordinance was apparently enacted in 1968, but I have never once been hassled about carrying a knife in Philly, and I lived in Center City from 1991-1997, in addition to operating a consultancy with many clients in Philadelphia until about 2010. I’ve never ever heard of this law, before today.
Post by: nate j on December 30, 2021, 09:50:13 AM
This is the first time I’m hearing of this. The Philadelphia ordinance was apparently enacted in 1968, but I have never once been hassled about carrying a knife in Philly, and I lived in Center City from 1991-1997, in addition to operating a consultancy with many clients in Philadelphia until about 2010. I’ve never ever heard of this law, before today.Interesting. Perhaps it isn’t strictly enforced, or not treated as a primary offense?
Post by: Valkie on June 29, 2023, 06:03:03 AM
Its even worth $5500 for refusing a search.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jun/21/nsw-doubles-penalties-for-knife-possession-but-critics-decry-kneejerk-reaction
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-21/police-knife-crime-sydney-increasing/101168066
Post by: charlie fox on June 29, 2023, 01:15:38 PM
https://www.akti.org/state-knife-laws/south-carolina/
Post by: NutSAK on June 29, 2023, 04:37:43 PM
- There are no restrictions on pocket knives with a blade of 4 or less inches in length. Missouri law defines this as an ordinary pocket knife and not a as a "knife" in its language.
- There are no forbidden or restricted "knives" under Missouri state law.
- There are no restrictions on the size of a "knife" you can open carry.
- Concealed carry of a "knife" is lawful except in specified locations or for ordinary pocket knives. Those specific locations mostly fall under government buildings and churches, the same as the locations defined as unlawful for concealed carry of firearms.
So basically, anything goes except for concealing knives with a blade longer than four inches in some limited locations.
Post by: enki_ck on June 29, 2023, 04:57:02 PM
Melee weapons are boxers, daggers, daggers, swords, spears, sabers, bayonets, and knives whose blade is under the pressure of a compressed spring and pops out of the handle at the push of a button, regardless of the length of the blade or the hidden blade, other secret weapons with hidden blades (weapon sticks, umbrellas, etc.), and metal stars for throwing. Different types of clubs and other objects suitable for inflicting injuries are also considered melee weapons.
So basically no blade length or locking limitations, as long as it's not a switch blade or dagger. And carrying something that could be considered a weapon into public places is a no no.
I've been searched while carrying about a dozen Leathermans/SOGs/Gerbers at a bar (brought them for a friend who was interested in buying one) and all I got from the PO who searched me was a laugh when he asked me, Is that it? And I replied... No, I got a few more :ahhh
Post by: SurgeUk on June 30, 2023, 01:08:30 AM
Article 10 of the Croatian weapons law: "Hladno oružje su bokseri, bodeži, kame, mačevi, koplja, sablje, bajunete, te noževi čije se sječivo nalazi pod pritiskom sabijene opruge, a iz drške iskaču pritiskom na gumb, bez obzira na dužinu oštrice ili skrivene oštrice, druga potajna oružja sa skrivenim oštricama (oružni štapovi, oružni kišobrani i sl.), te metalne zvjezdice za bacanje. Hladnim oružjem smatraju se i razne vrste palica te drugi predmeti pogodni za nanošenje ozljeda"
Melee weapons are boxers, daggers, daggers, swords, spears, sabers, bayonets, and knives whose blade is under the pressure of a compressed spring and pops out of the handle at the push of a button, regardless of the length of the blade or the hidden blade, other secret weapons with hidden blades (weapon sticks, umbrellas, etc.), and metal stars for throwing. Different types of clubs and other objects suitable for inflicting injuries are also considered melee weapons.
So basically no blade length or locking limitations, as long as it's not a switch blade or dagger. And carrying something that could be considered a weapon into public places is a no no.
I've been searched while carrying about a dozen Leathermans/SOGs/Gerbers at a bar (brought them for a friend who was interested in buying one) and all I got from the PO who searched me was a laugh when he asked me, Is that it? And I replied... No, I got a few more :ahhh
Ah. The old "one is none ploy" :whistle: :rofl:
Post by: cody6268 on June 30, 2023, 01:42:09 AM
Not really restrictive here. I think the "under three inches" mostly applies to schools, courthouses, and airports. It did also apply to colleges (community college was 2.5", the Christian College I attended was 4"), and I chose my EDC around that when attending both.
https://www.akti.org/state-knife-laws/virginia/
They were never really enforced here anyway, but I always abode by them.
Concealed carry of autos will be allowed starting in just a couple of days (July 1), and I'm still deciding what I'll EDC. All my current autos are cheap junk. Bene trying to get my local cutler store to order some of the Boker Kalashnikovs. I may end up getting a Pro-Tech, as they seem pretty reasonably priced for USA-made. Either the Emerson or Runt--possibly both as I can afford them.
Post by: Farmer X on June 30, 2023, 01:51:10 AM
Post by: nate j on June 30, 2023, 06:11:56 AM
I've discovered a disturbing nuance of Michigan knife law. I could have a knife hanging from my neck, not hidden under my shirt (completely open-carried), and be legal...unless I get in the car. Seems having a fixed blade within reach if one is in a vehicle can constitute concealment. I need to do one of two things: make a smurfload of noise until the laws are changed or move to a state with laws more to my liking.I thought that only applied to daggers, dirks, stilettos, and double-edged knives.
Post by: Farmer X on June 30, 2023, 09:05:27 AM
I thought that only applied to daggers, dirks, stilettos, and double-edged knives.Best as I can tell, it's all fixed blades. Anything double-edged is far more trouble than it's worth. Maybe I should ask a lawyer. :think:
Post by: Farmer X on July 01, 2023, 08:29:43 PM
Best as I can tell, it's all fixed blades.I took another look at the law. Anything that is fixed and double-edged is a per se "dangerous weapon," so merely concealing it or transporting it in a vehicle can land you in hot water. In the latter case, it's a felony. A single-edged fixed blade falls under an "any other dangerous weapon" clause, which would mean a prosecutor has to prove ill intent. That's if I'm understanding the law correctly.
https://www.akti.org/state-knife-laws/michigan/
Some research into whether carry of a fixie (concealed or otherwise) runs afoul of a more restrictive local law I must abide by still has to be done.
Post by: Valkie on July 03, 2023, 06:50:01 AM
I took another look at the law. Anything that is fixed and double-edged is a per se "dangerous weapon," so merely concealing it or transporting it in a vehicle can land you in hot water. In the latter case, it's a felony. A single-edged fixed blade falls under an "any other dangerous weapon" clause, which would mean a prosecutor has to prove ill intent. That's if I'm understanding the law correctly.
https://www.akti.org/state-knife-laws/michigan/
Some research into whether carry of a fixie (concealed or otherwise) runs afoul of a more restrictive local law I must abide by still has to be done.
So much for the innocent until proven guilty that we used to believe in many years ago.
And one that is gradually being eroded away.
A knife is a tool, unless it is used otherwise.
Post by: David Bowen on July 03, 2023, 12:18:44 PM
Georgia (U.S.) knife lawI love our knife laws here, you can carry just about anything any get away with it. When your local mom and pop hunting store sells out the front autos... Yeah it's kind of nice.
Any knife having a blade measuring 12 inches or less may be freely carried.
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Post by: nate j on August 02, 2023, 02:51:32 PM
https://kniferights.org/legislative-update/worst-anti-knife-city-in-america-caves-to-knife-rights/
Post by: ThisAlarm7 on August 02, 2023, 03:42:53 PM
No restrictions on carry or possession of anything really, other than some other restrictions for the carry of knives with 6" blades and longer, and knives must have a blade length no greater than 2.5" for carry on school grounds.
Post by: BPRoberts on August 02, 2023, 06:14:07 PM
Major victory for those who live in or travel to Philadelphia:
https://kniferights.org/legislative-update/worst-anti-knife-city-in-america-caves-to-knife-rights/
Great news! I will say I've carried in Philly, and been searched, with a small knife several times without issue. Still, better to get a bad law off the books that rely on discretion.
As stated in the article, the auto ban in PA was also removed this year.
Post by: Farmer X on August 03, 2023, 03:58:36 AM
https://kniferights.org/legislative-update/knife-rights-first-annual-ratings-of-worst-anti-knife-cities-and-best-states-for-knife-owners/
AKTI's Ohio state laws page indicates that Ohio now has statewide preemption. Perhaps a member from Ohio can confirm that? Knife Rights should update that article...
Post by: Valkie on August 03, 2023, 04:31:49 AM
If someone was intent on doing harm, laws wont worry them in the least.
And there are ways to getting around carrying some form of weapon no matter what laws are enacted.
For instance.
When we go pig hunting, a knife isn't used to finish off the pig, a sharpened screwdriver is.
Gets through the thick skin more easiy and less chance of getting cut or jamming the blade.
And when getting on an aircraft you are given metal cutlery to eat your food.
Instead of making innocent, law aboding people into criminals by making a harmless pocket knife illegal.
They should be looking at punishing criminals for using them more harshly.
Its a shame when a useful tool is deemed a weapon because "someone" feels its easier to criminalize everyone rather than just the criminals.
Post by: Etherealicer on August 03, 2023, 11:32:32 AM
I have trouble getting my head around knife laws in general.I think knife carrying people are a minority (and not one that is protected). So, knife laws give the appearance of progress, of something being done and appease a majority. E.g. just before our knife laws got updated there was an incident with a butterfly knife. Because of that, butterfly knives are prohibited, but I can have a flipper knife with a dagger blade.
If someone was intent on doing harm, laws wont worry them in the least.
And there are ways to getting around carrying some form of weapon no matter what laws are enacted.
For instance.
When we go pig hunting, a knife isn't used to finish off the pig, a sharpened screwdriver is.
Gets through the thick skin more easiy and less chance of getting cut or jamming the blade.
And when getting on an aircraft you are given metal cutlery to eat your food.
Instead of making innocent, law aboding people into criminals by making a harmless pocket knife illegal.
They should be looking at punishing criminals for using them more harshly.
Its a shame when a useful tool is deemed a weapon because "someone" feels its easier to criminalize everyone rather than just the criminals.
Here we actually don't really have a knife law. We separate in a weapon law and a dangerous item law.
Weapons: Butterfly knives, automatic knives with a blade-length over 5cm, daggers (double sided fixed blade) with a blade length between 5 and 30cm (under 5cm is less dangerous/lethal and over 30cm it becomes hard to conceal, that is the reasoning here).
Dangerous item: all the other knives, sharpened screwdriver, hatchets, scissors, hammer, fireworks, golf-clubs, baseball bats, bike-chains, swords etc.
Weapons: (e.g. my decorative Swiss Dagger): Needs permit to buy/sell. Can only be carried with a really good reasons (e.g. a medieval parade/festival as part of the uniform/costume). From and to the event, the dagger needs to be stored in a bag (cannot be carried on the body) and cannot make a detour or leave them in your car (never heard this to be enforced, but you probably would get a negligence charge if something happens). Weapons are far more enforced than dangerous items and bringing a weapon can be a criminal offense in itself. E.g. bringing a dagger to a shopping mall (you have no reason to bring that dagger) or carrying a dagger on your belt on the street (even if you have a reason to bring that dagger).
Dangerous Items: Also need a reason to be carried (except for knives, there is always a reason :D). E.g. you cannot bring a hatchet to do some cloth shopping. But you can bring a hatched to the forest (of course depending on whether you are allowed to chop wood in that particular forest) to chop wood. And while it is advised against, you can make a detour to the butcher to get some meat for the fire you intend to make. How you carry a dangerous item is less regulated but it is suggested that you carry the hatched in a bag until you reach the forest.
As a rule of thumb, you cannot bring a dangerous item to anywhere, where there is a crowd. Exceptions are for example, you can bring a sword or a club to a medieval festival, but not a modern baseball bat. You also absolutely can get on public transport with a sword, despite it being crowded, but you cannot bring that sword to a music festival.
That ruling might seem inconsistent and random but there are two huge perks to this:
- people can be disarmed when going to a festival / mall / stadium. Especially events known for heavy alcohol consumption this reduces the risk that drunken brawls turn into murder. Usually, you won't get charged for bringing a dangerous item and might even be able to get it returned to you.
- if you commit a crime carrying a dangerous item you are considered armed. Which automatically increases your sentence. Hopefully discouraging criminals to carry weapons.
As such our "knife law" works, but mostly helps reduce spontaneous crimes, e.g. under alcohol influence. But on the other hand there are few true limitations.
Post by: dks on August 03, 2023, 07:02:39 PM
No daggers - both sides sharp, unless it is of historical significance or artsy, or you will use it for specific purpose like fishing, hunting etc
You can own/use anything else
Any fixed blade can be carried, provided you can prove that you need it for some law abiding reason.
Carry in public: Non locking folding knives up to 4" allowed, as long as they are not pointy (whatever that means)
2.5" if they are pointy.
Locking knives are considered fixed blades.
Post by: Valkie on August 16, 2023, 05:54:20 AM
I think knife carrying people are a minority (and not one that is protected). So, knife laws give the appearance of progress, of something being done and appease a majority. E.g. just before our knife laws got updated there was an incident with a butterfly knife. Because of that, butterfly knives are prohibited, but I can have a flipper knife with a dagger blade.
Here we actually don't really have a knife law. We separate in a weapon law and a dangerous item law.
Weapons: Butterfly knives, automatic knives with a blade-length over 5cm, daggers (double sided fixed blade) with a blade length between 5 and 30cm (under 5cm is less dangerous/lethal and over 30cm it becomes hard to conceal, that is the reasoning here).
Dangerous item: all the other knives, sharpened screwdriver, hatchets, scissors, hammer, fireworks, golf-clubs, baseball bats, bike-chains, swords etc.
Weapons: (e.g. my decorative Swiss Dagger): Needs permit to buy/sell. Can only be carried with a really good reasons (e.g. a medieval parade/festival as part of the uniform/costume). From and to the event, the dagger needs to be stored in a bag (cannot be carried on the body) and cannot make a detour or leave them in your car (never heard this to be enforced, but you probably would get a negligence charge if something happens). Weapons are far more enforced than dangerous items and bringing a weapon can be a criminal offense in itself. E.g. bringing a dagger to a shopping mall (you have no reason to bring that dagger) or carrying a dagger on your belt on the street (even if you have a reason to bring that dagger).
Dangerous Items: Also need a reason to be carried (except for knives, there is always a reason :D). E.g. you cannot bring a hatchet to do some cloth shopping. But you can bring a hatched to the forest (of course depending on whether you are allowed to chop wood in that particular forest) to chop wood. And while it is advised against, you can make a detour to the butcher to get some meat for the fire you intend to make. How you carry a dangerous item is less regulated but it is suggested that you carry the hatched in a bag until you reach the forest.
As a rule of thumb, you cannot bring a dangerous item to anywhere, where there is a crowd. Exceptions are for example, you can bring a sword or a club to a medieval festival, but not a modern baseball bat. You also absolutely can get on public transport with a sword, despite it being crowded, but you cannot bring that sword to a music festival.
That ruling might seem inconsistent and random but there are two huge perks to this:
- people can be disarmed when going to a festival / mall / stadium. Especially events known for heavy alcohol consumption this reduces the risk that drunken brawls turn into murder. Usually, you won't get charged for bringing a dangerous item and might even be able to get it returned to you.
- if you commit a crime carrying a dangerous item you are considered armed. Which automatically increases your sentence. Hopefully discouraging criminals to carry weapons.
As such our "knife law" works, but mostly helps reduce spontaneous crimes, e.g. under alcohol influence. But on the other hand there are few true limitations.
I have a friend who is a cop.
We had a nice chat the other day about knives and knife laws.
He basically said that unless you become "Known" to the police for some reason, you will not be searched.
IE, causing trouble, fighting, resisting arrest etc.
BUT
If you are in a public place, (shopping centers, trains, busses, Maccas etc) and are subjected to search for any reason, you will be arrested if you have any form of knife (even a classic)
And Police now have powers to search "on suspicion" anyone, even if you are doing nothing wrong, just a search.
The knife laws give them this power.
So, young guys just because they fit into a young guy demographic could be searched at any time.
So, even if you are doing nothing, you are actually breaking the law carrying a knife, which automatically makes you a criminal and can be fined or even arrested for carrying a small bladed instrument.
I then asked him what would prompt him to search someone.
he gave me several reasons.
Directed to as part of an operation, (search x number of people in a given period)
Someone acting suspiciously.
Someone giving him "mouth"
Specific demographics (Muslims, Gang members, motorcycle riders, some races and if they just don't like the look of you)
Any one arrested for any other crime.
I asked him if he carried a knife.
Yes of course, several.
a leatherman wave, a sharp one hand opening lock knife and a classic on his keys.
He stated that these were necessary tools for his job.
Now, this guy is a reasonable guy, quite nice and not an overbearing narcissist like some of his brethren.
Imagine what a less tolerant type could be like.
the final question.
How many people have you arrested for knife carrying.
He stated nearly every person he arrests is carrying a knife of some sort.
Some are obviously just tools (but still knives)
But others are simply dangerous weapons intended to do harm.
but for actually just carrying a knife in a public place.
Just a couple of kids, thats about it.
Think about it.
In Australia we have knife laws.
They may be enacted at any time for any reason.
The laws are draconian to the extreme
and even make otherwise law-abiding people into criminals simply for carrying a fruit knife or tool.