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Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 20, 2012, 11:46:57 PM
SUMMARY OF MODS AND MODELS DONE SO FAR IN THIS THREAD
(Original first post is bellow)


2012 Highlights


First clean alox disassembly using jewelers bur (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg571400.html#msg571400)
First black HAIII scales (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg579641.html#msg579641)
Black 84mm cadet with scissors and 93mm awl (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg583373.html#msg583373)
Cutting down 91mm scissors to fit on 84mm (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg588323.html#msg588323)
First red and blue HAIII scales (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg592197.html#msg592197)
Waterjet Ti liners and keyring spacers (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg612846.html#msg612846)
SB bushcrafter with fire striker back (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg614880.html#msg614880)
Whittler 93 with grey scales (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg621573.html#msg621573)
4 layer red alox deluxe tinker with brass liners (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg622668.html#msg622668)
Adding a phillips to an 84mm cadet (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg628400.html#msg628400)
The first hard anodized 6061 T6 liners I made (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg630203.html#msg630203)
Group shot of all 5 colors of hard anodizing (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg632859.html#msg632859)
Alox hungry electrician (combo tool and eblade) (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg634762.html#msg634762)
First Ti converted urban pioneer (scales, liners and keyring) (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg637067.html#msg637067)
I finally got my custom 93mm scissor backsprings (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg640930.html#msg640930)
The first alox mod I build using the custom scissor backspring (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg641189.html#msg641189)
Old style cross red urban pioneer (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg643148.html#msg643148)
First use of dual openers across a phillips, and black scale / red liners (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg647597.html#msg647597)
5 layer big boy farmer (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg648263.html#msg648263)
First modded marlin spike alox SAK (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg649553.html#msg649553)
Alox yeoman (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg650039.html#msg650039)
Custom CPM 154 93mm blades (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg657426.html#msg657426)


2013 Highlights

Assembly of a 4 layer orange marlin spike mod (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg670706.html#msg670706)
Orange cerakote 93mm scales (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg672233.html#msg672233)
Orange cerakote custom with black liners (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg681565.html#msg681565)
Cadet with scissors and pocket clip (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg694474.html#msg694474)


THE ORIGINAL FIRST POST

I've been buying knives and gathering tools for some alox modding for a couple months now.  I did not even bother to post my first attempt at disassembling an alox solo, I messed it up so bad.    >:(

Well today I bought a 3 directional vice and bolted that to my drill press so I could precisely position the SAK and get the rivets drilled dead center.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1789.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1791.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1792.jpg)

This worked PERFECTLY!! I was finally able to pop off those rivet heads with a center drill (thanks to tattoosteve for that tip).  The 3 mm pins I found I had to drill a bit further down into to weaken the pin enough to pop it out.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1795.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1796.jpg)

Once you get the center pin out, the springs fall away and getting the rest apart is easier.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1797.jpg)

Here is what I ended up with after ripping apart a solo, pioneer and farmer.  I'm very proud to say I didn't scratch or otherwise mess up a single part!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1798.jpg)

I have also tried to peen and OMG that is so hard to get it to look nice.  Mad respect to all fellow modders who have mastered that skill, as I have not.  Mr. bushidomosquito's method with the threaded pivots looks so nice I decided to try that for my first mod test.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1802.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1803.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1804.jpg)

That's all I've got for now.  This first mod is simply going to be a farmer + scissors, something I've been wanting for awhile now.  I will be making quite a few of these, in black, red and silver alox.

Cheers and thanks to everyone I pestered with questions while learning, this forum and the people that use it are the best!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: 82brutus on January 21, 2012, 12:33:08 AM
Very nice.  Good pictures!  Look forward to seeing more.   :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on January 21, 2012, 12:35:41 AM
Good stuff. Where did you get the little hex/torx head pins?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 21, 2012, 12:59:50 AM
Good stuff. Where did you get the little hex/torx head pins?

Those were from knifekits.com  All 1/8 inch so lots of drilling out of components to do still.

These are the pivots: http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/product_info.php?cPath=60_83&products_id=471 (http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/product_info.php?cPath=60_83&products_id=471)

And the screws: http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/product_info.php?cPath=60_81_230&products_id=1248 (http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/product_info.php?cPath=60_81_230&products_id=1248)
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on January 21, 2012, 01:33:39 AM
Can't wait to see!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 21, 2012, 01:38:23 AM
keep it going, keep us posted!! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on January 21, 2012, 01:57:12 AM
That vise is pure genius!

Your first Alox mod is short a few tools... :pok:

I'm impressed AND inspired (I have a couple of bodged up 58 mm alox tools that need their rivets drilled out... :()
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 21, 2012, 02:43:17 AM

Your first Alox mod is short a few tools... :pok:


Ya but this is the ultra lite poser version... safe to take on airplanes too!
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on January 21, 2012, 05:51:47 AM

Your first Alox mod is short a few tools... :pok:


Ya but this is the ultra lite poser version... safe to take on airplanes too!
Good luck on getting anything on a airplane nowadays. You can't even have nail clippers :twak: I'm getting one of those cross slides myself this year. Great pics btw. Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sparky415 on January 21, 2012, 10:25:40 AM
Very nice.  Good pictures!  Look forward to seeing more.   :cheers:

Great job  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on January 21, 2012, 07:45:43 PM
Are you drilling the back springs and center holes of the scales 1/8" too? I think it thins that bump area in the springs just a tad too much plus it's a real pain to drill compared to the blades so I'm using a floating pin (HSS drill rod) of the stock pin diameter in the center from now on. When I make scales from ti or brass I only drill center holes 2/3 of the way through from the inside of the scales. This pin is all shear, no torque so it's just there as a fulcrum for the springs. The same could be done with Alox scales if you found an attractive way to plug the center holes. Maybe drill the countersink into a counterbore and press something into it.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 21, 2012, 07:58:29 PM
Are you drilling the back springs and center holes of the scales 1/8" too? I think it thins that bump area in the springs just a tad too much plus it's a real pain to drill compared to the blades so I'm using a floating pin (HSS drill rod) of the stock pin diameter in the center from now on. When I make scales from ti or brass I only drill center holes 2/3 of the way through from the inside of the scales. This pin is all shear, no torque so it's just there as a fulcrum for the springs. The same could be done with Alox scales if you found an attractive way to plug the center holes. Maybe drill the countersink into a counterbore and press something into it.

Ya I was thinking something similar. Its a nicer look if the scales are all custom, but since im using the alox scales im not sure what to use in the center pin on the outside of the scale to make it look the same as the others.  I'll test it the way I have it now as I think it will be fine, there is still 1 mm of steel in the hump after I drilled it through, but ya it's tight tolerance for sure.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 21, 2012, 11:28:57 PM
I got some more time to work, so I kept taking pics as I went.

I ripped apart more knives.  Some red scales this time!   I can do a total teardown in about 10 minutes now that I have the technique down.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1815.jpg)

All of the springs and components have been drilled out to 1/8 inch now.   Here I show test fitting the pivot pin.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1812.jpg)

I had to countersink the scale holes a bit so the screws would sit flush.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1816.jpg)

Here is my awesome technique for hole sanding.  Roll up sandpaper, insert in drill, sand!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1818.jpg)

Test fitting the springs together with the pins.  The hump has thinned but I think there is plenty of metal left.  Time will tell.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1822.jpg)

The biggest pain for me was cutting down the pivots to the exact right length, fiddly work.  Here are the springs again with correct length pivot.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1824.jpg)

That's all for now, I got burgers on the grill, but I'm going to do a test fit together after dinner so I will post more pics of how it goes.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Ashley on January 22, 2012, 12:26:11 AM
Put me in line for a farmer with scissors in red.  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 22, 2012, 12:32:18 AM
Put me in line for a farmer with scissors in red.  :drool:

hehe no problem, but I have to perfect my modding first.  I'm a perfectionist and if something doesn't turn out just right it bugs me forever.  So far so good though, I'm liking the threaded pivots, since the knife can then be serviced easy, even with locktite on the threads.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on January 22, 2012, 12:44:54 AM
If I may share what I've learned from playing with these pins, I think it's best for the pins to extend into the scales as far as they can. That way all the torque isn't put on those tiny screws. It also helps with assembly as the scales will snap into alignment and stay instead of you having to hold the springs compressed somehow while you get the last screw in place.

I've bought 100 of these screws,

http://www.usaknifemaker.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=118 (http://www.usaknifemaker.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=118)

and they fit the Alox scale holes perfectly sitting flush with the top of the scale so there's no need to re-sink them. If you put your pins in the collet of a Dremel tool you can spin the ends down and square with emery paper and even thread your screws into it and spin them while giving a light touch with fine emery papers to take out the machine marks. Some polishing compound after the 600 grit and,

 (http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll227/bushidomosquito/5%20layer/5layer2-1.jpg)

they come out quite shiny.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 22, 2012, 12:54:51 AM
If I may share what I've learned from playing with these pins, I think it's best for the pins to extend into the scales as far as they can. That way all the torque isn't put on those tiny screws. It also helps with assembly as the scales will snap into alignment and stay instead of you having to hold the springs compressed somehow while you get the last screw in place.

I've bought 100 of these screws,

http://www.usaknifemaker.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=118 (http://www.usaknifemaker.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=118)



I'll have to try the screws you mentioned there, the ones I have a just a tiny bit on the small side, but very close.

Im just realizing with my mockup I didnt get the pins into the scales very much at all, so Id redo them and make them a tad longer and stronger that way too, good tip for sure thanks!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 22, 2012, 12:56:55 AM
Ok, I was excited to do a test fit together of all the parts.  Some parts still need final sand and polish, but the major nicks are sanded out of the drilled holes.

Starting from the back side scale with posts.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1828.jpg)

Plus first layer...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1829.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1834.jpg)

Plus scissors...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1835.jpg)

Plus opener layer.. no saw layer on this first test mock up, didnt want to push my luck.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1836.jpg)

Plus top scale!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1837.jpg)

And some fully assembled shots...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1838.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1839.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1840.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1841.jpg)

It's close to finished but a few details to tidy up.  I still need to grind a little on the scissors back spring as well.  I think I like the silver torx screws fine, I might try black to see how it compares.

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on January 22, 2012, 01:04:52 AM
 :tu:
Isn't it awesome to just screw them together knowing that you can pop them right apart again if something needs adjusted?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 22, 2012, 01:11:19 AM
:tu:
Isn't it awesome to just screw them together knowing that you can pop them right apart again if something needs adjusted?

OMG yes!  I didn't have any problems drilling out the springs or parts to 1/8 inch. The tool components for alox SAKS start at 3mm anyhow, so not much material to remove.  Small price to pay for easy assembly and servicing! 

The only thing I'm wishing is for some screws that looked more like rivets.  Maybe the button heads would look better.  I could hit the alox scales with a milling bit to square the hole bottoms... hmmm
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 22, 2012, 01:58:22 AM
Great job Syph007,, very nice on the torx part!!  JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on January 22, 2012, 02:20:19 AM
are you using the 93mm saw spring for the scissors?  ???
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 22, 2012, 02:36:47 AM
are you using the 93mm saw spring for the scissors?  ???

Nope, it's one from a 93mm alox solo.  They work almost perfect just a little tweaking needed.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on January 22, 2012, 03:55:07 AM
are you using the 93mm saw spring for the scissors?  ???

Nope, it's one from a 93mm alox solo.  They work almost perfect just a little tweaking needed.
93mm solo spring perhaps?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Ashley on January 22, 2012, 04:04:13 AM
That looks great!  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sparky415 on January 22, 2012, 10:24:13 AM
That looks great!  :drool:

+1  That's some great work  :o   :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 22, 2012, 04:56:03 PM
Being able to take this apart easily has already come in handy.  The way I mounted the scissors, they were rubbing on the knife blade tip.

And of course I used my trusty SAK ratchet to remove the torx screws! 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1845.jpg)

I flipped the scissors around and this works much much better, smooth action and nothing interferes.  The nail nick is also perfectly accessible this way.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1849.jpg)

And I give you... the Urban Pioneer!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1846.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1847.jpg)

Inner parts still need polishing and screws need locktite, but otherwise finished!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 22, 2012, 08:40:48 PM
If I may share what I've learned from playing with these pins, I think it's best for the pins to extend into the scales as far as they can. That way all the torque isn't put on those tiny screws. It also helps with assembly as the scales will snap into alignment and stay instead of you having to hold the springs compressed somehow while you get the last screw in place.

Oh boy you were right on the money when you said to get the pivots into the scales as far as possible.  I redid my mod and drilled each scale hole with a 1/8 bit, then milled the outside down about 1 mm and used the button head screws.  Looks way better now and feels really solid, perfect snap on all tools.  The way I had it at first without the pivots actually into the scales would have been awful for the long run.

Really really happy with it now, and the urban pioneer is ready for tomorrow's EDC test run.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1857.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1856.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1854.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 22, 2012, 09:43:29 PM
That looks real good, came out NICE!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Ashley on January 22, 2012, 09:49:33 PM
 :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 22, 2012, 09:52:10 PM
:drool:
Hey :dwts: stop drooling on me!  JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on January 23, 2012, 12:06:04 AM
That looks great! I didn't used to pay any attention to Alox stuff. I just liked the red 91mm SAKs and that was it. Now I'm really into the Alox mods and those dang backtool pins have me wanting to do 91 mods by request only. Once I put a Phillips driver in a 93 that was the end of any reason to carry a 91. 93s have a better awl, stronger blade and the ability to easily adapt the only other 91 tools I wanted which is the scissors and pliers. Not to mention that enlarging the holes is a matter of shaving a minuscule .007"!

One more tip to speed up your disassembly,
http://www.progresstool.com/prod_images_blowup/ba-1446-010-b.jpg (http://www.progresstool.com/prod_images_blowup/ba-1446-010-b.jpg)
Meisinger 2mm bur. Works like an internal pipe cutter,
http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/017197/017197375163lg.jpg (http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/017197/017197375163lg.jpg)

I drill only down past the head portion of the rivet, about 2mm deep. Then the bur gets run around the inside bottom of the hole about 3 times on full Dremel speed with a very light touch and the head pops loose. I broke down 7 SAKs in an hour with no damage to any scale.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 23, 2012, 12:28:49 AM
That looks great! I didn't used to pay any attention to Alox stuff. I just liked the red 91mm SAKs and that was it. Now I'm really into the Alox mods and those dang backtool pins have me wanting to do 91 mods by request only. Once I put a Phillips driver in a 93 that was the end of any reason to carry a 91. 93s have a better awl, stronger blade and the ability to easily adapt the only other 91 tools I wanted which is the scissors and pliers. Not to mention that enlarging the holes is a matter of shaving a minuscule .007"!

One more tip to speed up your disassembly,
http://www.progresstool.com/prod_images_blowup/ba-1446-010-b.jpg (http://www.progresstool.com/prod_images_blowup/ba-1446-010-b.jpg)
Meisinger 2mm bur. Works like an internal pipe cutter,
http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/017197/017197375163lg.jpg (http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/017197/017197375163lg.jpg)

I drill only down past the head portion of the rivet, about 2mm deep. Then the bur gets run around the inside bottom of the hole about 3 times on full Dremel speed with a very light touch and the head pops loose. I broke down 7 SAKs in an hour with no damage to any scale.

I think I even have that first bit you link, I will have to try it.

This site got me hooked on 93 mm... its  so much beefier than 91. Every tool is thicker and stronger... combine that with strong 1/8 inch pivots and extra tools and its a clear winner to me.

I dont even own any 91 mm red knives, the only 91 mm i own is a silvertech huntsman.  Alox all the way for me.

Oh ya and enlarging 3mm to 1/8 is very easy, barely feels like even drilling.  I'm still on my first carbide bit, so I don't know how long it will go for, but so far so good.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Ashley on January 23, 2012, 04:40:26 AM
:drool:
Hey :dwts: stop drooling on me!  JR

Oh yea? Take this sucka.  :drool:  :drool:   :drool:   :drool:  :drool:  :drool:  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: user24 on January 30, 2012, 11:59:50 PM
Sorry, I have to side with Ashley on this one.

 :drool: :drool: :drool:

Can I be 2nd in line after Ash? :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stressmaster5000 on January 31, 2012, 12:12:24 AM
Wow, you are really getting some good results on this alox MOD.  :salute: Great work!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 31, 2012, 01:15:15 AM
Wow, you are really getting some good results on this alox MOD.  :salute: Great work!  :tu:

Thanks!  I've been really happy with this as my EDC, and Ive been showing it off at work.  I'm still waiting on my next parts order so I can make more.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 01, 2012, 06:40:13 PM
Oh man.. here's another great reason for the torx and pivot method... when you put parts on wrong! LOL  Anyone spot a problem here?

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_1904.jpg)

This one has the smaller torx button heads and I think I like these the best now, closest look to rivets I think.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Zed on February 01, 2012, 06:46:24 PM
Oh man.. here's another great reason for the torx and pivot method... when you put parts on wrong! LOL  Anyone spot a problem here?

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_1904.jpg)

This one has the smaller torx button heads and I think I like these the best now, closest look to rivets I think.

lol i did that on my PT last week , tin opener the wrong way round  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2012, 09:27:15 PM
Oh man.. here's another great reason for the torx and pivot method... when you put parts on wrong! LOL  Anyone spot a problem here?

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_1904.jpg)

This one has the smaller torx button heads and I think I like these the best now, closest look to rivets I think.

sorry to laugh, but..
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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on February 01, 2012, 10:54:53 PM
I see the problem: you forgot the saw :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on February 02, 2012, 07:16:17 AM
I see the problem: you forgot the saw :ahhh

Dang, he's right. There it is in the background.  :D And I see another problem. Your liners aren't titanium.  :pok:

Using Solo springs for scissors will give you plenty of spare blades so you can do all the naughty pry work that we're all afraid to subject a SAK to for fear of snapping the tip. 2 saw springs is perfect for the 91mm pliers if you take a bit off the handle and leaves you with spare saw blades so you can play rough with those as well. Scissors are $15 in a Super Tinker (and you're left with a Tinker in parts)so feel free to cut that sandpaper and trim those wires.

Being a barrel pin modder is quite liberating.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 11, 2012, 06:24:04 PM
I wasn't completely happy with how I was originally disassembling the alox saks as sometimes I'd eat into the scale with the drill bit, and when you do that to colored alox it's a real heart breaker.   I've got a red scaled one with a minor imperfection that I may list for a reduced price.. my error someone else's gain. :D

Thanks to Bushido for the tip about using a jewelers burr, now THAT is the way to go.  My procedure was to use a center drill to go down into the rivet a few mm, then dremel with the jewelers burr from inside the hole, cutting the rivet cleanly from the inside.

I practiced on 2 silver alox solos first, then I worked up the nerve to start breaking down my black pioneers.   I'm pleased to say that I got this apart with no problems or marks at all.  Its as if the rivets were magically removed and the pieces just fell apart!  :D

I took apart my first 84 mm this way as well and it was quite satisfying.  I'm doing boring work of part cleaning and buffing now, then I can assemble some more.  I've also got to do some washer making as I need 0.005 washers to add to the scissor layer so it matches the spring I use.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1909.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1912.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on February 12, 2012, 01:32:11 AM
http://www.usaknifemaker.com/washer-bronze-18-005-p-172.html (http://www.usaknifemaker.com/washer-bronze-18-005-p-172.html)
.005" thick washers with 1/8" pivot hole. The more I make by hand the more I'm thinking about ordering 500 of them. I use 2 on every tool to keep them off the liners and they really do smooth things up.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: armèe-suisse on February 13, 2012, 02:22:35 AM
Great work, you're doing some nice alox MOD so far. :salute:

 :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 13, 2012, 02:34:58 AM
Great work, you're doing some nice alox MOD so far. :salute:

 :cheers:

Thanks!  I'm enjoying learning and making what I want to.  I've got some big plans so hopefully I can figure everything out!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 16, 2012, 06:51:53 PM
I dont have the capability quite yet, but Ive been dreaming of a mini CNC mill to be able to make my own alox scales from aluminum, and then anodize on my own to get styles and colors correct.

I was fiddling in the cnc app and was looking at an etch for the sak logo.  Do you think making my own scales but putting the logo on it, is ok, or is that the kind of thing that would tick off victorinox?  Its not like Id say it was a vic, it would be clearly a mod. 

Hmm what do you think, have other modders put the logo on their customs?

Heres an example done with 2 bits in simulation mode.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on February 16, 2012, 10:15:55 PM
Humm.  My guess would be that, like most other companies, Victorinox would have issues with anyone else using their logo, especially if there was any chance that it might be on an item for sale. :-\

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on February 17, 2012, 07:11:08 AM
People customize a lot of things and I've never heard of a company making a stink over it. I'd say it's no different than making your own Ford logo for a Ford that you customized with aftermarket parts. Vic sells a knife every time you sell a knife and sometimes they sell you 2 or 3 just to get parts for 1 mod.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 01, 2012, 03:27:15 AM
Well I wanted to update this thread with my latest.  Another urban pioneer is born!  This one is hot off the modding table, destined for a fellow MTO member.  It's my best work to date and I'm very pleased with it.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Torx/IMG_1975.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Torx/IMG_1974Large.jpg)

I've gone through more screw variations than I want to admit, but I am 100% happy with these flathead variety.  They fit like a glove in the end holes so I only need to kiss the center hole with a drill bit to get the screw to fit there.  Since hardly any drilling needed to be done, the scales have the maximum amount of pivot extending into them, for maximum strength.  They are also nicely flush with the surface.

I'm very pleased with this one, and I hope it's new owner will be too.  :D

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sparky415 on March 01, 2012, 08:57:53 AM

Those screws look really good!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MultiMat on March 01, 2012, 03:18:24 PM

OMG yes!  I didn't have any problems drilling out the springs or parts to 1/8 inch. The tool components for alox SAKS start at 3mm anyhow, so not much material to remove.  Small price to pay for easy assembly and servicing! 

The only thing I'm wishing is for some screws that looked more like rivets.  Maybe the button heads would look better.  I could hit the alox scales with a milling bit to square the hole bottoms... hmmm

Mate I just saw this  :o :drool: :drool: :drool:.

I am interested to hear how you did drill out the holes on the smaller components  :think: :think: , I would of thought getting the smaller parts secured & drilled out would of been a bit of a head ache  :think: :think:.

Urban Pioneer  :drool: :drool: , If you could sneak a nail file in there some how  :drool: :drool: :drool:


Great work mate  :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 01, 2012, 03:25:47 PM

I am interested to hear how you did drill out the holes on the smaller components  :think: :think: , I would of thought getting the smaller parts secured & drilled out would of been a bit of a head ache  :think: :think:.


Its actually one of the easier steps.  The hardest is deburring and polishing the inside of the holes after drilling. 

I wear kevlar shop gloves since I cut myself too much, so for drilling all I do is dip the part in cutting oil, put a little oil on the carbide drill bit, then hold the part with my gloved hand and use a drill press to punch through the hole.  Not having it clamped down works better for me since it kind of auto centers that way and you can 'feel' if its cutting right.   It takes maybe 15 seconds to drill out a part, but more like 15 minutes to polish after.

I'm working on some wackier combinations now, but over all I love the threaded pivot pin system!

:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MultiMat on March 01, 2012, 03:34:12 PM
Wow holding the part just in your hand  :o :o 8) 8) 8).

No putting holes in those fancy gloves  :pok: :pok: :D :D , you do have some fancy fasteners you could use doing 'Orthopaedic' repairs if your drill misses  :P :D :D.

Great work again mate  8) 8) 8)

Keen to see the wackie SAKies you have planned  :gimme: :gimme: :D
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on March 01, 2012, 03:36:08 PM
A 2 flute carbide end mill works really good ;).
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 01, 2012, 04:32:48 PM
A 2 flute carbide end mill works really good ;).

I tried an end mill on a spring once, but I didn't have it dead on straight and the hole was slightly off, so it's easier for me to use a regular spade bit.  I haven't had a problem at all with that style.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on March 01, 2012, 07:28:12 PM

I've gone through more screw variations than I want to admit, but I am 100% happy with these flathead variety.  They fit like a glove in the end holes so I only need to kiss the center hole with a drill bit to get the screw to fit there.  Since hardly any drilling needed to be done, the scales have the maximum amount of pivot extending into them, for maximum strength.  They are also nicely flush with the surface.





Those screw heads look great! Are you polishing them? I chuck a pin in a Dremel collet and screw the screws into it and spin them full speed while hitting them with 600 grit paper to take the machine marks out, then some Flitz on a rag and they look like chrome.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 01, 2012, 07:48:31 PM

I've gone through more screw variations than I want to admit, but I am 100% happy with these flathead variety.  They fit like a glove in the end holes so I only need to kiss the center hole with a drill bit to get the screw to fit there.  Since hardly any drilling needed to be done, the scales have the maximum amount of pivot extending into them, for maximum strength.  They are also nicely flush with the surface.





Those screw heads look great! Are you polishing them? I chuck a pin in a Dremel collet and screw the screws into it and spin them full speed while hitting them with 600 grit paper to take the machine marks out, then some Flitz on a rag and they look like chrome.

I did hit those with a buffing wheel and stainless polish, and they got pretty shiny.  Putting them in a dremel would have been easier than the way I did it.  I held each screw with my fingers and hit with polishing wheel in a dremel!  LOL I wont be showing my son my techniques.  I seem to still have freakishly strong fingers though from my years of rock climbing, so its just easier for me to hold things.  I dont have a problem bending the sak backsprings by hand when I assemble.   I just push hard and wiggle the part home.  I thought Id have to make a jig for that, but havent had to at all.

The other screws I had were the same profile, but these have larger hex bit, and they seem to be more visually appealing, at least to me.  Of course I have 200 of the other kind still... :D  Also many in black, but they dont look right.
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jds1 on March 01, 2012, 10:27:37 PM
The fit & finish on that Urban Pioneer is just amazing!

Jeff
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 02, 2012, 12:01:45 AM
The fit & finish on that Urban Pioneer is just amazing!

Jeff

Thanks! It's taken me a bit of trial and error to perfect the drilling of the outer scales so I don't mar them at all.  I'm currently rebuilding my EDC sak now out to 4 layers.

1. 91mm combo tool / blade
2. pliers
3. cybertool bit driver
4. scissors

I keep refining what I want to have as a simple daily needs type sak.  The only thing Id still like to add is a pen and tweezers, not so interested in the tootpick, but I need a pen and tweezers often.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Raukodur on March 02, 2012, 12:41:31 AM
that is nearly identical to the mod I've asked Steve to make for me, only without the combo tool and blade, and instead having an awl and file/metal saw in their place. Otherwise identical 4 layer alox SAK (if the bit driver can be fit to the alox frame).
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 02, 2012, 12:45:47 AM
Otherwise identical 4 layer alox SAK (if the bit driver can be fit to the alox frame).

I'm going to make it fit somehow.  I'm not in love with the plastic bit holder, that's going to get remade out of anything nicer than plastic, probably aluminum, Ti if im feeling richer.  I dont have the driver part yet though, its en route so I cant test yet to see how it fits.

What I found when I swapped the standard opener layer for the combo too, i missed having the driver ends of those tools.  But if I add in the bit driver layer, that solves that problem, and the combo tool becomes mostly just an opener.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Raukodur on March 02, 2012, 01:48:14 AM
well, I'm a UK user so knife is problematic, and I don't use openers and the bit driver replaces the bit ends as you said, so no need for knives or openers. The awl and file/metal saw are much more useful tools for me, hopefully both can be fit into a single layer.

If that plastic bit holder was metal, that would be pretty sweet. An entirely stainless steel SAK would be quite something to behold, liners and all. Although would take up the weight a fair bit.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 02, 2012, 02:05:52 AM

If that plastic bit holder was metal, that would be pretty sweet. An entirely stainless steel SAK would be quite something to behold, liners and all. Although would take up the weight a fair bit.

Ya I think all parts that can be made for Titanium for weight, and then the standard SAK components.  Id LOVE that.. but a sheet of thick titanium is quite an investment. :D  But a man can dream.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on March 02, 2012, 02:48:25 AM
Let me know how thick that bit holder is. I have small chunks of 1/4" and 3/16" titanium that I'd sent you just to see you try it. Also some 1/8" CF scrap that might work better because you could carve it clamshell style and sandwich the halves together. Does anybody have a picture of a naked bit holder? I've always wanted to look up one's skirt.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 02, 2012, 02:56:29 AM
Let me know how thick that bit holder is. I have small chunks of 1/4" and 3/16" titanium that I'd sent you just to see you try it. Also some 1/8" CF scrap that might work better because you could carve it clamshell style and sandwich the halves together. Does anybody have a picture of a naked bit holder? I've always wanted to look up one's skirt.

I have one attached to a cybertool, I'll break out the calipers and camera after I get this baby to fall asleep! :D  The wife is at work tonight.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 03, 2012, 03:50:00 AM
Let me know how thick that bit holder is. I have small chunks of 1/4" and 3/16" titanium that I'd sent you just to see you try it. Also some 1/8" CF scrap that might work better because you could carve it clamshell style and sandwich the halves together. Does anybody have a picture of a naked bit holder? I've always wanted to look up one's skirt.

I have one attached to a cybertool, I'll break out the calipers and camera after I get this baby to fall asleep! :D  The wife is at work tonight.

I snapped some good pics.  The part is almost exactly 0.250 thick.  Roughly 3/4 inch by 2 1/4.  It has a seam around it, you can see it was made by pressing 2 parts together.

Anyways here are the pics.... Id love to remake in Ti.. oh boy!

By the way, this cybertool has the thickest liners ive ever seen on a 91mm SAK.. 0.050!  Its the butter soft aluminum though, so I think they beefed up thickness for this tool.  Yet another benefit if remade with stronger thinner liners, the tool would be thinner!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cybertool/IMG_1983.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cybertool/IMG_1985.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cybertool/IMG_1989.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cybertool/IMG_1990.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ICanFixThat on March 03, 2012, 05:50:50 PM
Oh this will be VERY Exciting... definetly one of my goals to have a Alox Cybertool!

The only thing with a titanium bit holder is I wonder if the bits would kind of stick in there too tightly, maybe since the bits would be enough smaller than their sockets because of the bearing that would not be a problem.  Titanium seems tough to get right when threads or friction fit is required.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 03, 2012, 06:36:36 PM
Oh this will be VERY Exciting... definetly one of my goals to have a Alox Cybertool!

The only thing with a titanium bit holder is I wonder if the bits would kind of stick in there too tightly, maybe since the bits would be enough smaller than their sockets because of the bearing that would not be a problem.  Titanium seems tough to get right when threads or friction fit is required.

Ya I dont think a friction fit would work.. maybe tiny leaf springs... hmm. I'll have to think about it, but there's gotta be a way.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on March 04, 2012, 12:03:53 AM
The driver has magnetic retention right? Why not the bit holder? Teeny tiny neodymium magnets.
http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DH101 (http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DH101)

A titanium bit holder is totally doable. I'd go with multi layered construction riveted together. The slots could be cut into a single piece, retention magnet holes drilled and the outer layers riveted on. I really like eliminating SAK plastic. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 04, 2012, 12:10:22 AM
The driver has magnetic retention right? Why not the bit holder? Teeny tiny neodymium magnets.
http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DH101 (http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DH101)

A titanium bit holder is totally doable. I'd go with multi layered construction riveted together. The slots could be cut into a single piece, retention magnet holes drilled and the outer layers riveted on. I really like eliminating SAK plastic.

Magnets! Yes that would work.  Each bit though does have the spring loaded steel ball in the center, so a corresponding tiny indent ring in each bit holder slot would work too.

This SAK plastic is really low quality on the holder, so an upgrade to metal would be wonderful.  The design would have to be altered anyhow to fit in an alox frame as currently this slots into a gap in the springs, and on my alox model there would be no gap as the springs would extent the length of the knife.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on March 04, 2012, 03:00:30 AM
Ah, treat it like a ball detent on a folder then. Assemble the layers without peening the rivets down and insert the bits a few times until the balls rub a line on the inside of the hole. Then pull it apart and drill a hole where that line stops.  :tu:

My only problem with magnets at the bottom of holes is keeping them clean of the metal shavings they pick up over time. Seems to be a bigger problem for me than most people for some reason.  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on March 04, 2012, 12:57:59 PM
Reminds me of this reply:

Most useful: CyberTool driver/bit holder. But that's also the ugliest tool (I don't like the plastic "cage" thing).

So I'm totally interested in a CT 34 with metal bit holder, be it titanium, stainless steel or even aluminum :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 04, 2012, 01:42:15 PM
Reminds me of this reply:

Most useful: CyberTool driver/bit holder. But that's also the ugliest tool (I don't like the plastic "cage" thing).

So I'm totally interested in a CT 34 with metal bit holder, be it titanium, stainless steel or even aluminum :drool:

Ya the plastic cage is a pretty horrid part.  I tend to think of SAKS as amazing potential just wrapped in a temporary shipping package of cellidor... :D  I would stick to 93mm components only, but they dont make many!  So we have to find ways to get the 91mm goodness to a better frame. :D

Titanium sure sounds nice to me, and you can anodize that as well.  Hard anodized aluminum would work too... so many options so little time! lol  At least I discovered a fun hobby now though.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 06, 2012, 06:40:20 PM
Looky what I just got from my local neighborhood electroplater!  My first batch of hard anodized (HA3) black scales!!!   :drool: :drool:

Most of these are 93mm but I did 2 sets of 84mm as well.  I want to pocket carry a cadet with scissors with these scales.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_1999.jpg)

Here is a comparison with standard vic scales on the left.  The color is darn close, but not exactly the same blackness.  Next I want to experiment with a self etching primer to see if I can re-highlight the shield outline.  Unfortunately all that color gets stripped off by this process.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2001.jpg)

I had a long talk about what I wanted with the shop owner and what he could do.  He does use a bit different process to do his HA, which actually allows for a few other color options.  Stock natural is 60 RC from him, but he can do red and orange that is still 55 RC, which is really darn good considering stock regular anodizing is 35 RC.

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on March 06, 2012, 06:46:26 PM
That is so cool!
And orange... awesome :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 06, 2012, 06:54:53 PM
That is so cool!
And orange... awesome :tu:

Ya i know I'm pretty excited but I'm out of scales to run now so I have to wait till I have enough to make it worth while.

The red and orange are not as vibrant as regular anodize, more muted flat finish, but I think that's still fine if the anodize is hard and doesn't come off easily.  I got tired of only having the silver scales to mod with so I had to give this a try. :D

Edit: my wife being Dutch, I know how awesome orange is!

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on March 06, 2012, 07:41:10 PM
OH MY GOD. :ahhh And I'm not even religious. Those will look so cool. Do you have a price point for a Huntsman slim mod maybe? Red, black or BLUE :pok:

I tend to think of SAKS as amazing potential just wrapped in a temporary shipping package of cellidor... :D
:rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 06, 2012, 08:08:34 PM
Ok I'm impressed.  I just did a toughness test. Grabbed a coin and rubbed it like crazy on the textured part.. then i noticed little silver flakes and my first thought was oh no its already coming off... then I blew on it.. nope that was the coin dust. Scale was unharmed!  It acts like a mini hardened file!  Im impressed.  :D  Should last forver in pocket carry unless your keys are harder than 60 Rockwell :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 06, 2012, 08:12:04 PM
Kobolt! A nice dark blue,, that would look good,, JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on March 06, 2012, 08:16:41 PM
Ok I'm impressed.  I just did a toughness test. Grabbed a coin and rubbed it like crazy on the textured part.. then i noticed little silver flakes and my first thought was oh no its already coming off... then I blew on it.. nope that was the coin dust. Scale was unharmed!  It acts like a mini hardened file!  Im impressed.  :D  Should last forver in pocket carry unless your keys are harder than 60 Rockwell :D

That's awesome. Carry it with your keys in the same pocket and eventually realize your keys are too nubby to work anymore.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 06, 2012, 08:21:19 PM
Ok I'm impressed.  I just did a toughness test. Grabbed a coin and rubbed it like crazy on the textured part.. then i noticed little silver flakes and my first thought was oh no its already coming off... then I blew on it.. nope that was the coin dust. Scale was unharmed!  It acts like a mini hardened file!  Im impressed.  :D  Should last forver in pocket carry unless your keys are harder than 60 Rockwell :D

That's awesome. Carry it with your keys in the same pocket and eventually realize your keys are too nubby to work anymore.

LOL ya, and whats this pocket full of shavings about... LOL  No i pressed really hard down on it, wouldnt come anywhere near that kind of force in normal jingling around in a pocket.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on March 10, 2012, 08:50:19 PM
they look excellent mate. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Threeme2189 on March 10, 2012, 10:48:43 PM
Those look awesome!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kahyja on March 13, 2012, 04:02:22 AM
 :salute: :salute: :drool: :drool: :gimme: :gimme: :mail:

 ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Santos on March 13, 2012, 06:53:20 AM
Ok I'm impressed.  I just did a toughness test. Grabbed a coin and rubbed it like crazy on the textured part.. then i noticed little silver flakes and my first thought was oh no its already coming off... then I blew on it.. nope that was the coin dust. Scale was unharmed!  It acts like a mini hardened file!  Im impressed.  :D  Should last forver in pocket carry unless your keys are harder than 60 Rockwell :D

Wow if its that hard could you sharpen carbon knives with it.. be damn handy
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on March 14, 2012, 01:15:06 AM

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Wow if its that hard could you sharpen carbon knives with it.. be damn handy
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Huuummmm....

That would be an interesting one... A coated scale for sharpening would be really sweet....
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 15, 2012, 02:20:00 AM
Here's my latest that got finished tonight for a member here.  Two alox compacts with spare blades.

They turned out darn nice and are really light weight pocketable tools.  I will be making one for myself next.

Cheers!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Compacts/IMG_2043.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Compacts/IMG_2050.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Compacts/IMG_2054.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Compacts/IMG_2060.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: k12cop on March 15, 2012, 03:48:44 AM
Yeah, those beauties are mine and I can't wait to get my paws on them. If they look half as nice in person...I'm in love
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MirrorEdge on March 15, 2012, 07:58:28 AM
You should make some voyaguers next
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Voyageur (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Voyageur)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 16, 2012, 02:25:00 AM
I started on a little diversion tonight.  I thought it might be fun to make an 84mm pioneer.. Pioneer Jr!

Here I have some hard anodized 84mm scales, and a hand made hard brass liner.  The scales and liner are already drilled out to 1/8, but the components and springs still need drilling, but it wont take too long to finish.  If I measured right the awl will juuuust fit with appropriate spacers.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2070.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 17, 2012, 07:44:32 PM
I figured I should put together an urban pioneer with the hard anodized scales I have.  I got it together pretty quick and it looks really nice! :D :D :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/HAIII%20Urban%20Pioneer/IMG_2103.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/HAIII%20Urban%20Pioneer/IMG_2086.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/HAIII%20Urban%20Pioneer/IMG_2083.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/HAIII%20Urban%20Pioneer/IMG_2080.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/HAIII%20Urban%20Pioneer/IMG_2077.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/HAIII%20Urban%20Pioneer/IMG_2073.jpg)
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jds1 on March 17, 2012, 10:32:33 PM
Very nice!

Jeff
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on March 18, 2012, 01:43:58 AM
Oh I like that idea. Mind is I borrow it and make one for myself? I plan to add saw and scissors to mine but with pins instead of screws. Nice job though I love it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Santos on March 19, 2012, 01:09:26 AM
Here's my latest that got finished tonight for a member here.  Two alox compacts with spare blades.

They turned out darn nice and are really light weight pocketable tools.  I will be making one for myself next.

Cheers!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Compacts/IMG_2043.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Compacts/IMG_2050.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Compacts/IMG_2054.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Compacts/IMG_2060.jpg)

did you drill these out or are they smaller 2.5mm pins ???
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Santos on March 19, 2012, 01:10:03 AM
...errr i guess i meant to say screw  8)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 19, 2012, 01:27:39 AM
...errr i guess i meant to say screw  8)

All tools and springs are drilled out to 0.125".  That's the smallest commercially available hardened barrel pivot.  If I had the funds I'd commission custom 3mm pivots, but I'm not quite there yet.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: k12cop on March 23, 2012, 12:30:59 AM
Just received my alox compacts and all I can say is WOW...I thoroughly recommend and think you are on your way to master modder status.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 29, 2012, 06:02:09 PM
Here's the latest one I've been working on for a forum member.  Black alox urban pioneer with pocket clip.

I wasn't too sure if 1/8 inch aluminum was going to be strong enough to hold threads for this, but I tested on a messed up scale I had and it held fine.  I will likely swab the inside of the hole with some JB weld to toughen up the threads on final assembly though as some extra insurance.

This style of clip really does look nice I think!  I will have to order some of these for my own mods next time I make a pivot order.

Cheers!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Pocket%20Clip/IMG_2189.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Pocket%20Clip/IMG_2204.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Pocket%20Clip/IMG_2209.jpg)

The screws were filed down so they are perfectly flush with the inside backing of the scale.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Pocket%20Clip/IMG_2202.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sparky415 on March 29, 2012, 06:59:40 PM

 :drool: Nice work!  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 29, 2012, 08:44:36 PM

 :drool: Nice work!  :salute:

Thanks!  This is a pretty addictive hobby... :D  I still think it's funny I'd never heard of alox before this forum! lol

I forgot to post these ones.  Check out how nice some boring standard alox liners can look after meeting up with a polishing wheel. 

The bottom one is one I removed from a gently used SAK and its pretty sad looking, but close to what even brand new ones look like.   I had no idea cheap nickel silver could shine like chrome.  Its almost beautiful! 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Pocket%20Clip/IMG_2211Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Pocket%20Clip/IMG_2215Large.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 30, 2012, 01:58:21 AM
I actually had time after dinner to finish this one up.  It turned out darn nice!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Pocket%20Clip/IMG_2217Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Pocket%20Clip/IMG_2220Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Pocket%20Clip/IMG_2221Large.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on March 30, 2012, 03:11:28 AM
I am very impressed. I can't wait to get my hands on it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on March 30, 2012, 03:16:43 AM
Did you flip the scales for the clip? Or even figure out why that was done by Scibeer?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 30, 2012, 03:24:07 AM
Did you flip the scales for the clip? Or even figure out why that was done by Scibeer?

Yep I did flip the scales.  It felt better in the hand for main blade work swapped around.  Well that's assuming the clip goes on the back scale and not the shield scale.  Other than that I cant figure out any other reason to flip the scales.
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on March 30, 2012, 02:14:15 PM
Nice work. Now all you need to do is figure out file work :pok: :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 30, 2012, 03:21:15 PM
Nice work. Now all you need to do is figure out file work :pok: :pok:
 

Id have to study at the Sidhartha school of filework for that! :D  Or maybe make some kind of file holding jig to get the spacing and angle right... hmmm maybe....
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 31, 2012, 04:04:31 AM
Nice job! good little configuration for a clip pocket knife!  JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on March 31, 2012, 01:56:13 PM
I saw your avatar and headed straight here to admire this masterpiece in its full splendor. :drool: Excellent work. (http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr294/nickpong/Smiley/worship.gif)(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr294/nickpong/Smiley/worship.gif)(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr294/nickpong/Smiley/worship.gif)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 01, 2012, 07:15:39 PM
Today I went back to working on my 84mm pioneer with converted 91mm scissors.  I posted these pics in another thread, but will repost here for consistency.

These are the modifications I did to the old style 91mm scissors and 91mm backspring to fit on the 84mm frame.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/84mm%20scissors/IMG_2183-1.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/84mm%20scissors/IMG_2174-1.jpg)

And here is the rough fit up to test it all together.  I was testing the look of some designer low profile screws on the end pivots, still not sure if I love them or not.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/84mm%20scissors/IMG_2236.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/84mm%20scissors/IMG_2237.jpg)

The full cutting blade length of the scissors was preserved but I did have to nip a bit off the handle part.  The part of the awl that rides on the backspring will need to be re-angled to get the awl to point further down and rest on the scale as well.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/84mm%20scissors/IMG_2245.jpg)

Here you can see the scissor rest needs a bit more shaved off to let the scissors go just a bit lower.  Very close to working.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/84mm%20scissors/IMG_2244.jpg)

The scissor snap is perfect so I'm excited to finish this little gem.  See what you made me do Victorinox?  Would it really be that hard to keep making 84mm scissors???   :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Leadfoot on April 03, 2012, 02:40:37 AM
Nice job Syph007.

So the detached piece from the scissor spring is not attached in place, but is held in place by the two matching flats and the pivot?

Leadfoot
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on April 03, 2012, 03:29:43 AM
Nice job Syph007.

So the detached piece from the scissor spring is not attached in place, but is held in place by the two matching flats and the pivot?

Leadfoot
That's correct. I've done that before myself. It works perfectly btw. Not intending to intrude here syph just trying to help.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 03, 2012, 03:35:05 AM
Nice job Syph007.

So the detached piece from the scissor spring is not attached in place, but is held in place by the two matching flats and the pivot?

Leadfoot

Yup it's under tension so it doesn't move at all.  I make my scissor rests for 93mm similarly. 

I got some 12 Gauge (0.105") stainless 304 that I will use now since it isn't hardened like a SAK spring it will be easier to work.  The rest also doesn't need to be spring tempered, so next time I will just chop off the springy part I need and make the rest out of non tempered stainless.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Leadfoot on April 03, 2012, 10:19:30 PM
Nice way of adding a scissors and looks good too.

Will add this to my growing list of good ideas.


Leadfoot
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: BlueDot on April 04, 2012, 02:55:45 AM

Well thanks to you I was almost late for work this morning.  I couldn't stop reading this thread!

Very interesting.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 09, 2012, 03:50:17 AM

Well thanks to you I was almost late for work this morning.  I couldn't stop reading this thread!

Very interesting.

lol.. apologies to your work, but I've done the same reading threads in this section, so I know how it goes!

Nothing too exciting to look at yet, but this is what I spent all my free time doing this weekend.  Stripped naked SAK scales.. bare of all anodizing!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2248.jpg)

I had to track down 100% pure lye and strip these in the backyard.  Nasty nasty stuff, it was boiling away like a witches cauldron.  I got the ratio mixed so that each scale only needs about a 30 second dip and when I cant see any more red on the shield, it's done.

My first run I let the electroplater guy strip for me (lol that sounds odd) and some of the red remained behind, so I wanted to do the prep this time to be sure of what I get.   If the cost isn't too high this will get done in 3 colors HAIII black/red/orange... if it costs too much than just 2 colors either black and red, or black and orange.  I'm dropping them off in the morning and I hope he can be done soon since I'm super anxious to put some colored ones together!

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Santos on April 10, 2012, 10:43:16 AM
orange me thinks orange!

but if i can be really bold go for something like suzuki RM yellow. Stand out from the crowd :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sparky415 on April 10, 2012, 10:47:12 AM


      :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on April 10, 2012, 11:23:26 AM
I'm waiting with bated breath. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 11, 2012, 08:25:26 PM
Still waiting to hear about my anodizing....   I really hope he's done by the weekend!

Here is a test mock up of the part I made in my templaing thread.  This is a 0.105" thick rest made from 304 stainless, with super beefy keyring attachment.

This is a prototype test fit only, it still needs some adjustment, but it's darn close.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Scissor%20Rest/IMG_2284.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Scissor%20Rest/IMG_2286.jpg)

I think it looks pretty decent.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Scissor%20Rest/IMG_2269.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Scissor%20Rest/IMG_2271.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Scissor%20Rest/IMG_2273.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on April 11, 2012, 08:49:38 PM
very nice!!  you are getting serious in this, congrats!

btw i really like that golden pin, it looks very cool   :rofl:.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 11, 2012, 09:08:49 PM
very nice!!  you are getting serious in this, congrats!

btw i really like that golden pin, it looks very cool   :rofl:.

lol it was all i had on hand to test fit... :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on April 11, 2012, 09:40:29 PM
That looks great. So much sturdier than the spacer keyring and in the Urban Pioneer it puts the keyring right in the center layer. Now you just have to rout out a hundred or so and send them to me so I can tumble polish them.  :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on April 11, 2012, 09:47:51 PM
very nice!!  you are getting serious in this, congrats!

btw i really like that golden pin, it looks very cool   :rofl:.

lol it was all i had on hand to test fit... :D

i have done the same a few times  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 11, 2012, 11:38:58 PM
That looks great. So much sturdier than the spacer keyring and in the Urban Pioneer it puts the keyring right in the center layer. Now you just have to rout out a hundred or so and send them to me so I can tumble polish them.  :pok:

Or waterjet!! :D  I don't have a band saw, so I have been hack sawing them to rough out, then filing to get close, then routing.  Probably about 30 minutes each, so 100 wont happen too quickly... 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 12, 2012, 10:48:25 PM
Happy days are here, we have colors!!!  They called just as I was leaving the office so I grabbed them on the way home.   They were out of orange dye so I ended up getting hard anodized black, red and blue!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_2292.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_2298.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_2297.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_2296.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on April 12, 2012, 10:56:52 PM
look excellent Syph. 8)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on April 12, 2012, 11:53:05 PM
ooo like the red ones!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 12, 2012, 11:54:33 PM
ooo like the red ones!
  I like the Blue!!!  JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 13, 2012, 12:39:03 AM
ooo like the red ones!
  I like the Blue!!!  JR

Ya, I'm totally happy with the blue. I was going to just get the rest all red when he said he was out of orange dye, but he saw me hesitating and they offered a discount on the blue run since I was originally wanting orange, but Im completely happy with the blue.  I'll have to start saving scales up again and get orange another time.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jan. on April 13, 2012, 01:36:43 AM
I thought that they only can do HAIII in black or dark grey?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 13, 2012, 01:39:30 AM
I thought that they only can do HAIII in black or dark grey?

Me too, but he tells me that his way works for color.  :think:  Maybe they arent mill spec HAIII, I dont know, but it's around 55 RC and regular anodizing is about 35 so its for sure hardened.  The non hard anodize he does is shinier, while this is duller but still quite nice I think.  I'll take a pic comparing this red to the stock vic red, its quite a bit darker.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 15, 2012, 10:22:39 PM
I finally got some time out in the shop to put together an HA red urban pioneer.  I love the red!!!

Since the scales were getting stripped and re-anodized anyhow, I took a few extra steps to increase the quality of my product.  If you've noticed on the inside edges of alox scales, they are actually kind of sharp. I sanded all my scales and just very gently rounded that edge which will prevent easy chipping that happens with standard alox scales from the factory. 

Since I need the center screw countersunk, i also pre-drilled those out so that the after anodizing I need to do zero drilling and the finish is left perfect.  Drilling normal colored alox scales out for this is delicate work.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Red%20HA%20Alox/IMG_2308.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Red%20HA%20Alox/IMG_2310.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Red%20HA%20Alox/IMG_2316.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Red%20HA%20Alox/IMG_2319.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Red%20HA%20Alox/IMG_2322.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Red%20HA%20Alox/IMG_2324.jpg)

I'm very happy with the red, and will for sure be running this color again.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on April 16, 2012, 12:19:54 AM
Not as thrilled about the blue as I am with Vic's electric blue standard anodize but smurf that red looks good! I'd like to get my hands on a few of those for personal use. Red Alox has really grown on me and I like that shade a lot.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on April 16, 2012, 01:18:54 AM
they really do look excellent Syph. :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 16, 2012, 02:24:15 AM
they really do look excellent Syph. :cheers:

Thanks!  The red really did turn out pretty much perfect.  Here's a high res shot that I think really shows the detail.  It's a very nice matte finish.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MultiMat on April 16, 2012, 05:03:07 AM
That looks GREAT  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sparky415 on April 16, 2012, 10:27:09 AM

Lovely work and the red is very  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on April 23, 2012, 06:24:45 PM

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_2296.jpg)

You're "Somebody finally ordered a blue one" comment to me got me thinking and I'm going to make a prediction. Those blue scales are going to be rare and valuable someday. They aren't nearly as popular as the red. We're going to loose interest in running them especially if he can get orange going. Then we move on to Cerakote and are only doing HA in red or black and maybe orange and then we move on to our ti and G10 scales and eventually our entirely 'us' made knives and blue HA becomes a cool novelty that pops up in picture threads now and again with everyone asking where it came from.

If I were a collector I'd order every blue scale you have in a different configuration and sit on them for a few years.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 24, 2012, 03:13:58 AM
The blue does look nice though, but I understand why most people favor the red.  I am curious to try OD Green scales with black tools, it might look nice.  Too many mods and not enough time! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom011/BlueUpClose.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom011/IMG_2411.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom011/IMG_2413.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom011/IMG_2438.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on April 24, 2012, 04:02:55 AM
 :o very nice blue!! i liked it a lot!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: user24 on April 24, 2012, 10:17:52 AM
Yeah I like the blue too, I just wish it had a silver shield.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 24, 2012, 01:43:19 PM
Yeah I like the blue too, I just wish it had a silver shield.

It's on my list of things to test, but I think sanding the shield border and cross to expose the aluminum, then putting sealer on that will probably work.  I think.. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lynn LeFey on April 24, 2012, 02:32:32 PM
I just finished reading this thread... wow. Some gorgeous work here. I LOVE the SAKs with screws, and double-love the blue alox handle scales. The black and reds are nice. The blue is spectacular. Taken altogether, screws, anodizing, and polishing the spacers elevates an already lovely object to a true work of art. And I'm not even a raging SAK fan. I can imagine how true fans feel toward your work.

Simply awesome. :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 24, 2012, 03:01:04 PM
I just finished reading this thread... wow. Some gorgeous work here. I LOVE the SAKs with screws, and double-love the blue alox handle scales. The black and reds are nice. The blue is spectacular. Taken altogether, screws, anodizing, and polishing the spacers elevates an already lovely object to a true work of art. And I'm not even a raging SAK fan. I can imagine how true fans feel toward your work.

Simply awesome. :salute:

Thanks Lynn.  The funny thing is, I wasn't much of a SAK fan either before I joined this site.  I only owned 1 SAK. Then I saw all the alox models which I didn't even know existed and I went a bit crazy with buying all the models.  Then I realized that the pioneer model was pretty much the base model and there weren't alot of options or scissors  :o , so then the modding ideas started popping up and its been a crazy modding hobby since then! :D  It's fun though and I still keep getting new ideas.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on April 24, 2012, 03:08:51 PM
What she said! :tu:

This has turned out to be a really great project.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lynn LeFey on April 24, 2012, 03:29:14 PM
Thanks Lynn.  The funny thing is, I wasn't much of a SAK fan either before I joined this site.  I only owned 1 SAK. Then I ...

'Then I'... Two dangerous words on this site.  :ahhh

When >I< joined, I didn't own any SAKs. Now... 2. And I was here for the plier based MTs.  :rofl:

Quote from The Godfather: 'Just when I thought i was out... They pull me back in.'
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: user24 on April 24, 2012, 05:02:09 PM
Yeah I like the blue too, I just wish it had a silver shield.

It's on my list of things to test, but I think sanding the shield border and cross to expose the aluminum, then putting sealer on that will probably work.  I think.. :D

When you get that done, you'll have to send one to me. For, uh, testing...  :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MultiMat on April 24, 2012, 07:46:05 PM
The blue does look nice though, but I understand why most people favor the red.  I am curious to try OD Green scales with black tools, it might look nice.  Too many mods and not enough time! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom011/BlueUpClose.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom011/IMG_2411.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom011/IMG_2413.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom011/IMG_2438.jpg)

What about a traditional green scaled urban Pioneer  :drool: :drool: :gimme: :gimme:.
I wonder if a 2 tone would work ie black one side & red the other OR BLACK one side & GREEN on the other  :think: :think: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :gimme: :D.

Does your HA fella do plain old GREEN  :dd: :dd: :dd: :D :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Threeme2189 on April 25, 2012, 06:23:58 PM
As I probably said before you have done an awesome job!
Where can I sign up for the testing phase? :think:

:rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Rahmed on April 25, 2012, 08:23:00 PM
 :mail: Scales from Robert arrived today... What a beauty :drool:
No picture can show the wonderful colors :cheers: And red... red is the top one for me  :ahhh
I have already an order for Two Tone Blue&Black SAK  :angel:

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7430/p1130641.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 25, 2012, 09:13:06 PM
Rahmed, I'm so glad they made it to you!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on April 28, 2012, 05:03:05 PM
I just got my regular black scaled Urban Pioneer with the pocket clip(which I love) and now a I want a blue one, or maybe a red one, no definitly an OD one. SO MANY CHOICES........................................................... ??? :think: :ahhh :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 28, 2012, 05:17:10 PM
I just got my regular black scaled Urban Pioneer with the pocket clip(which I love) and now a I want a blue one, or maybe a red one, no definitly an OD one. SO MANY CHOICES........................................................... ??? :think: :ahhh :drool:

The red is my favorite! :D  I'm running a big batch of red next to go with the batch of Ti liners coming in.  We're getting 300 Ti6Al4V liners waterjet cut.  :D  I just hope the waterjet guy hurries, I'm anxious to see how polished Ti liners look with my matte red scales. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 17, 2012, 05:53:43 PM
Woohoo!!!!  Parts!!! I've been run dry of parts lately so I haven't been able to put any new mods together for ages.

Bushido and I got some liners cut from 0.032 Titanium  (Ti-6Al-4V) and I just got mine in the mail today!  :D :D   Now I gotta get some shop time in over the weekend to get a bunch drilled and processed and I can put together my first Ti urban pioneer!  I've been anxiously waiting to put one of these together!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Titanium/IMG_2587.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sparky415 on May 17, 2012, 05:59:42 PM

     :o     Wow

        :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 17, 2012, 06:34:23 PM
Kool, can't wait!  JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on May 17, 2012, 07:41:59 PM
 8)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on May 17, 2012, 07:56:56 PM
I love the Blue.  :tu: 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on May 17, 2012, 10:02:50 PM
Woohoo!!!!  Parts!!! I've been run dry of parts lately so I haven't been able to put any new mods together for ages.

Bushido and I got some liners cut from 0.032 Titanium  (Ti-6Al-4V) and I just got mine in the mail today!  :D :D   Now I gotta get some shop time in over the weekend to get a bunch drilled and processed and I can put together my first Ti urban pioneer!  I've been anxiously waiting to put one of these together!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Titanium/IMG_2587.jpg)

Lovely to see a big pile of titanium in useful shapes like that isn't it? The laser is dialed in for .040" ti, test cutting went well and keyring spacers are being cut today.



Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: heardrwt on May 26, 2012, 10:26:51 AM
Wow these alox mods look amazing!
I've been wanting scissors in an alox for years.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on May 26, 2012, 12:29:03 PM
Wow these alox mods look amazing!
I've been wanting scissors in an alox for years.

A sentiment shared by many people here :)

Welcome to MTO... we have an introduction thread you can post in and say hi :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: El Rago on May 26, 2012, 01:15:25 PM
yes indeed, why no scissors on an Alox is beyond me... Oh well, we have BusihoMosquito and Syph007 for that in any case.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on May 26, 2012, 02:13:18 PM
yes indeed, why no scissors on an Alox is beyond me... Oh well, we have BusihoMosquito and Syph007 for that in any case.

I don't get it either. I watched a Megafactory documentary about Victorinox and they had several "engineers" sitting around a table scooting parts around and working out what models to put together next. Have none of these guys caught on to the scissors, pliers and inline Phillips mods that we're doing with very slightly modified parts? I still dream of getting the call to come work for them in my nice cushy office with a view of the Matterhorn and my own table full of parts to scoot around.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: El Rago on May 26, 2012, 04:38:53 PM
You are not the only one Bushido, I saw that documentary too and though to myself: man, if I could work there I would make a custom SAK every week. Make myself a happy man and a few members here too.

As far as the "engineers" go, dont companies actually ask the clients what they want? I am in the process of getting some ca$h for a custom alox and I am asking what I want/need. And even if I pay "top dollar", it is not extremely expensive, and I get what I need.

and I though companies owed themselves to the clients...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 13, 2012, 05:42:28 PM
Well I've been busy making parts, but I haven't been putting many together lately as I'm just about out of HA scales.

Here are the latest Ti parts we had cut, Ti keyring spacers.  I'll ground the nub off some for people that hate keyrings, some love em, some hate em

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Titanium/IMG_2709.jpg)

Here are all the scales I have prepped for stripping today.  The ones on the left had imperfections from anodize and I don't like to use those, so they get re-stripped and redone.  The ones on the right all all virgin right off new alox.

I'm going to show a vid of the stripping process this time because its crazy.  It bubbles away turns black and then you pull out a shiny clean aluminum scale.  I'll show the prep steps I go through to turn these into nice HA scales.  Its harder than it looked and I ruined a few scales in the learning process.

These all get a hang wire and I dip them in groups of 4, always with at least one shield scale in the group as that red of the shield is the indicator for being done.  When its gone its all done stripping.  Without that it's more of a guess as to the end of the process since stripping silver off silver colored metal inst obvious when the oxide layer is all gone.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Titanium/IMG_2711.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 14, 2012, 05:17:28 AM
Ah man, looking good! So can't wait to see some finished products,  JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on June 14, 2012, 05:42:14 AM
omg! so many parts!!  :ahhh you have taken the life of many alox saks  :D nice work!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on June 14, 2012, 10:41:37 AM
omg! so many parts!!  :ahhh you have taken the life of many alox saks  :D nice work!  :tu:

http://thazing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/thazing-371-e1338981084726.jpg (http://thazing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/thazing-371-e1338981084726.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on June 14, 2012, 06:23:21 PM
omg! so many parts!!  :ahhh you have taken the life of many alox saks  :D nice work!  :tu:

http://thazing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/thazing-371-e1338981084726.jpg (http://thazing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/thazing-371-e1338981084726.jpg)



 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: you made my day  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on June 14, 2012, 09:56:06 PM
omg! so many parts!!  :ahhh you have taken the life of many alox saks  :D nice work!  :tu:

http://thazing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/thazing-371-e1338981084726.jpg (http://thazing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/thazing-371-e1338981084726.jpg)



Funny thing is that was actually the guy in the pictures cat and he made it into that himself.   :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ICanFixThat on June 18, 2012, 01:05:13 AM
When it comes to scissors on Alox, what would seem an obvious expansion of the series, there has to be some reasoning that we are not privy to.  Since it was discovered really how easy it would be to add scissors using existing parts Swiss Bianco has apparantly since raised the question with them at Victorinox again, and apparantly it was discussed again, but the answer was the same... no scissors for Alox.  I understand +B might be doing is own scissors mod, but since he has several irons in the fire it's impossible to say when or if it will happen.

The Mod Squad group has really advanced the modding of SAKs significantly in a very short time. 

 :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on June 18, 2012, 01:15:55 AM
I just popped a 91mm file into a 93 on a Farmer spring last night since I noticed it was the same thickness and profile as the saw, which is the same for 91 and 93mm. I don't recall ever seeing a file in a 93 but it drops right in with a Farmer saw spring like it was made for it so that's one more tool option for the 93. The same goes for the fish scaler if anyone cares.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 18, 2012, 01:18:57 AM
Ya I'd be curious too, to know why they decide the answer is no, but one has to assume its financially based.  Maybe they think it might eat into the 91mm sales?  Maybe 93mm sales are less profitable for them?  Surely tooling up for a different spring shape cant be that bad, since they make their own stamping dies in house.

SB only does factory approved recombinations (mods) so that they still have a warranty, so Id be curious to know what they come up with, if Vic will be doing that 'mod' for them I'd love to see it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on June 18, 2012, 01:44:59 AM
You think they'd at least hand some files or the occasional fish scaler to the Farmer assemblers once in a while since it uses the same saw spring but as far as I'm concerned they can limit the 93 tool selection as much as they like. We'll tool up for those springs and mod the other stuff if they don't want to.

I think one of their marlin spike models with pliers and a scaler and our ti liners and HA scales would make an awesome anti-corrosion fisherman tool.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ICanFixThat on June 18, 2012, 03:17:29 AM
....  I don't recall ever seeing a file in a 93 but it drops right in with a Farmer saw spring ....
The Scibeer Tank (HA Alox 7 layers) sported a file, but no Fishscaler.  He also did a model called the Farmer Abrasive that added the file.

.....
SB only does factory approved recombinations (mods) so that they still have a warranty, so Id be curious to know what they come up with, if Vic will be doing that 'mod' for them I'd love to see it.
Ya I was surprised too, but that is what he posted on his facebook page.  He sometimes does his own stuff, but he usually gets approval like for the 111mm Damascus, but the quality of his 111mm Damascus does not reach that if a Victorinox manufactured and assembled knife, so they can't be too picky if they are special limited models.  He's tougher on modders than Victorinox, but we know what to believe.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 18, 2012, 03:24:50 AM
Finished up a new model finally.  No scissors but pliers instead.  Urban Mechanic I guess?

This is the first mod for me with no stock liners at all.  This is using titanium liners and keyring spacer.  Wow it's my first exposure to Ti, and it's a beautiful material, but a royal bitch to finish.  Probably about 5 sheets of sandpaper and an hour or more per liner.  I had to make some 1/2 split mandrels in my drill press to chew through it, hand sanding just doesn't cut it.

I'm happy with the end product though, and wow the pliers have a wicked good snap on them with dual saw backsprings. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Urban%20Mechanic/IMG_2721Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Urban%20Mechanic/IMG_2740Large.jpg)

It's hard to take a picture of such a tiny part, but here is the titanium keyring spacer all shined up.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Urban%20Mechanic/IMG_2718Large.jpg)

A small glimpse of the titanium liners peeking through.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Urban%20Mechanic/IMG_2732Large.jpg)
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on June 18, 2012, 04:55:59 AM
Ya I'd be curious too, to know why they decide the answer is no, but one has to assume its financially based.  Maybe they think it might eat into the 91mm sales?  Maybe 93mm sales are less profitable for them?  Surely tooling up for a different spring shape cant be that bad, since they make their own stamping dies in house.

SB only does factory approved recombinations (mods) so that they still have a warranty, so Id be curious to know what they come up with, if Vic will be doing that 'mod' for them I'd love to see it.

Don't ask how I know but so far to date Vic will not be adding scissors to the alox line. Wish I was wrong but so far I am... :(
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sazabi on June 18, 2012, 05:16:14 AM
Ya I'd be curious too, to know why they decide the answer is no, but one has to assume its financially based.  Maybe they think it might eat into the 91mm sales?  Maybe 93mm sales are less profitable for them?  Surely tooling up for a different spring shape cant be that bad, since they make their own stamping dies in house.

SB only does factory approved recombinations (mods) so that they still have a warranty, so Id be curious to know what they come up with, if Vic will be doing that 'mod' for them I'd love to see it.

Don't ask how I know but so far to date Vic will not be adding scissors to the alox line. Wish I was wrong but so far I am... :(

Sadness. :/  At least it helps keep you busy, though, Steve. :)
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on June 18, 2012, 05:31:57 AM
Ya I'd be curious too, to know why they decide the answer is no, but one has to assume its financially based.  Maybe they think it might eat into the 91mm sales?  Maybe 93mm sales are less profitable for them?  Surely tooling up for a different spring shape cant be that bad, since they make their own stamping dies in house.

SB only does factory approved recombinations (mods) so that they still have a warranty, so Id be curious to know what they come up with, if Vic will be doing that 'mod' for them I'd love to see it.

Don't ask how I know but so far to date Vic will not be adding scissors to the alox line. Wish I was wrong but so far I am... :(

Sadness. :/  At least it helps keep you busy, though, Steve. :)
Yep until those guys up there ^^^^ make those springs. But it's all good some people like rivets and I'm going to have a machine for that soon ;).
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Singh on June 18, 2012, 03:51:47 PM


Finished up a new model finally.  No scissors but pliers instead.  Urban Mechanic I guess?

This is the first mod for me with no stock liners at all.  This is using titanium liners and keyring spacer.  Wow it's my first exposure to Ti, and it's a beautiful material, but a royal bitch to finish.  Probably about 5 sheets of sandpaper and an hour or more per liner.  I had to make some 1/2 split mandrels in my drill press to chew through it, hand sanding just doesn't cut it.

I'm happy with the end product though, and wow the pliers have a wicked good snap on them with dual saw backsprings. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Urban%20Mechanic/IMG_2721Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Urban%20Mechanic/IMG_2740Large.jpg)

It's hard to take a picture of such a tiny part, but here is the titanium keyring spacer all shined up.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Urban%20Mechanic/IMG_2718Large.jpg)

A small glimpse of the titanium liners peeking through.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Urban%20Mechanic/IMG_2732Large.jpg)

Awesome job!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on June 18, 2012, 04:57:23 PM
No scissors but pliers instead.  Urban Mechanic I guess?

Replace that can opener with an inline Phillips and you have an Alox Mechanic, which is my favorite 91mm toolset. I consider the can opener the second most expendable 91mm tool right after the multiuseless hook.

There's something special about having pliers and a screwdriver layer wrapped in Alox.

Those ti liners and especially that key ring look so good.  :drool: I had to cut the key ring off the first one I put together with these laser parts :cry:  but the customer gets what he wants.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on June 18, 2012, 06:05:26 PM
No scissors but pliers instead.  Urban Mechanic I guess?

Replace that can opener with an inline Phillips and you have an Alox Mechanic, which is my favorite 91mm toolset. I consider the can opener the second most expendable 91mm tool right after the multiuseless hook.

There's something special about having pliers and a screwdriver layer wrapped in Alox.

Those ti liners and especially that key ring look so good.  :drool: I had to cut the key ring off the first one I put together with these laser parts :cry:  but the customer gets what he wants.

I agree that a can opener is next to redundant these days, but the screwdriver tip has come in handy more than a few times personally. :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Waterlander on June 18, 2012, 07:32:29 PM
No scissors but pliers instead.  Urban Mechanic I guess?

Replace that can opener with an inline Phillips and you have an Alox Mechanic, which is my favorite 91mm toolset. I consider the can opener the second most expendable 91mm tool right after the multiuseless hook.

There's something special about having pliers and a screwdriver layer wrapped in Alox.

Those ti liners and especially that key ring look so good.  :drool: I had to cut the key ring off the first one I put together with these laser parts :cry:  but the customer gets what he wants.

Keyrings are good for key's :whistle:



You guys do fantastic work!
Great idea to put the phillips and bottleopener in same layer. Some sort of pliers are always nice to have, many uses. How is it in hand with these tools sticking out? For me a must have is the inline awl, and ofcourse a good blade. Better yet two bladed. Being able to take it apart if a tool breaks, is a big bonus.

Keep the good stuff up  :tu:
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on June 18, 2012, 07:45:54 PM
Oh no offense intended for the OPs. Please don't take that the wrong way. Both guys are top notch in my book :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 18, 2012, 07:46:33 PM
Yep I'm a big keyring fan, but not for keys rather for lanyard attachment.  Any knife I carry is literally attached to my belt and dangles in pocket.  I don't want to lose anything!  So I guess I dont specifically need the keyring, but some sort of attachment point at least and the keyring is the most convenient.  I do like the other style as well Vic uses with the keyring anchor as part of the backsprings.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Waterlander on June 18, 2012, 08:15:03 PM
Well, I can understand why people like lanyards. It sure looks nice and it certainly has practical use. On the waterfront for sure. It's just not for me. I don't like dangling carrots in my pocket.
I carry custom belthangers or beltsheats. In hand, after a couple hours of carving a little keyring feels not so little anymore. Anything for an improved handleshape. And after foodprep or work I like to clean my knife quick and easy. It's just..(how do you say in english)..horses for corses?
JMHO
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 20, 2012, 02:28:53 PM
Well I got my scales stripped last night.  I tried taking video but it was way too awkward to hold a camera with all my safety gear on and get the job done well.  I'm not a fan of chemical burns so I wear a respirator, old lab coat and full face shield.  I'm glad I have a private backyard or the neighbors would probably call the police since it looks like  I'm some kind of a mad scientist in the backyard with bubbling vats of who knows what!  :rofl:

Nothing like a batch of freshly exposed aluminum though....  These ones are going for 2 colors, red and natural (the gray look) hard anodize.  I'm also going to put in some of the 6061 aluminum liners I made by hand to see how HA on liners looks and holds up.  I think color matched red liners and scales would look cool, and the liners are somewhat protected by the spring sandwich so they should hold up pretty well.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2742.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2743.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: user24 on June 20, 2012, 07:23:26 PM
I agree that a can opener is next to redundant these days

Just goes to show why the SAK has such appeal. One man's meat is another's poison. I use the can opener probably more than any other tool. Every can I open at home is done with a SAK!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on June 20, 2012, 07:35:12 PM
I agree that a can opener is next to redundant these days

Just goes to show why the SAK has such appeal. One man's meat is another's poison. I use the can opener probably more than any other tool. Every can I open at home is done with a SAK!

fair enough mate, it just seems that nearly every tin these days comes with a ring-pull top.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sparky415 on June 20, 2012, 08:08:07 PM
Well I got my scales stripped last night.  I tried taking video but it was way too awkward to hold a camera with all my safety gear on and get the job done well.  I'm not a fan of chemical burns so I wear a respirator, old lab coat and full face shield.  I'm glad I have a private backyard or the neighbors would probably call the police since it looks like  I'm some kind of a mad scientist in the backyard with bubbling vats of who knows what!  :rofl:


 :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on June 20, 2012, 08:40:47 PM
I'm some kind of a mad scientist in the backyard with bubbling vats of who knows what!  :rofl:

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/rmc0097l.jpg (http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/rmc0097l.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2743.jpg)

I think those natural grey scales are going to look very nice.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 20, 2012, 09:10:54 PM
First time I've taken one of these apart.  I was curious to know how the firesteel was attached.  Its just a custom shaped liner with the firesteel pinned to it.


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom017/IMG_2744.jpg)


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom017/IMG_2746.jpg)


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom017/IMG_2753.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on June 20, 2012, 09:56:58 PM
Looking forward to having a Bushcrafter the way it should come. The red is a great color. Can't wait to get it back.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: GigaHz on June 22, 2012, 02:05:44 PM
Maybe Vic considers the scissors too flimsy to go into a 93 frame. I know the 93 framed knives are built like tanks. I wonder why they discontinued the 84 scissors. Maybe they ended up replacing too many broken ones.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 22, 2012, 02:26:27 PM
Ya I'd love to know as well.  You have to think 84mm alox cadets with scissors would be extremely popular.  I assume it must be for financial reasons but I cant really figure out how it makes sense.   I'm sure scissors take many more steps to produce than a can opener, but they're doing it for 91s and 58s still.  :think:
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Post by: Marius on June 22, 2012, 09:13:37 PM
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! I just read this through... And I am... sorry...  :drool: big time.. Amazing job!
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Post by: Syph007 on July 04, 2012, 07:27:10 PM

I picked up my lastest batch of hard anodized scales this morning!  Red and natural.  All 93s, but one 84 for a cadet with scissors I'm putting together.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2819Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2799Large.jpg)

It's really hard to get a good picture of the color of the grey.  I showed them beside stock Vic colors here to try to help.  In person its a beautiful matte grey color.  I'm very pleased with it and looking forward to putting one together. 

The red turned out exactly the same shade as my first batch of red which I absolutely loved.  Again hard to tell from the picture in sunlight, but its a deep matte red.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2812Large.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on July 04, 2012, 07:37:43 PM
I like that red, very nice  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 05, 2012, 04:26:35 AM
The red is my favorite too, and they were the first color to get deployed tonight.

Here is the bushcrafter minus opener layer with red scales.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom017/IMG_2825Large.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on July 07, 2012, 01:01:26 PM
That's a superb model Syph. :salute:
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Post by: nj2656 on July 07, 2012, 05:25:11 PM
 It started as my +B Firesteel Farmer. A great knife but I really wanted a Bushcrafter. The firesteel makes it a true Bushcrafter. Hope to have a long modding relationship.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: heardrwt on July 08, 2012, 10:13:41 AM
That red looks awesome!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 11, 2012, 03:20:17 AM
Tonight I finished up a quartet of urban mechanics, all with titanium liners and keyring spacers.  I think I'm finally learning the ways of Ti and finishing them to a high polish is getting faster.  I see why people love Ti, but man steel finishing has spoiled me. 

Finishing Ti is like dating a high maintenance woman.  You don't just go right for a nice shine.. you start with 180 grit, you move up slowly, 220, 400, 600, and you eventually get to 1000 and then and only then do you move on to the polish... :D  And the results are worth it.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Urban%20Mechanic/IMG_2877Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Urban%20Mechanic/IMG_2873Large.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on July 11, 2012, 04:14:03 AM


Finishing Ti is like dating a high maintenance woman.  You don't just go right for a nice shine.. you start with 180 grit, you move up slowly, 220, 400, 600, and you eventually get to 1000 and then and only then do you move on to the polish... :D  And the results are worth it.


Yep. And the longer you have to stay on 3rd base, (600,1000 grit) the nicer it is to slide into home.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on July 11, 2012, 09:19:27 AM


Finishing Ti is like dating a high maintenance woman.  You don't just go right for a nice shine.. you start with 180 grit, you move up slowly, 220, 400, 600, and you eventually get to 1000 and then and only then do you move on to the polish... :D  And the results are worth it.


Yep. And the longer you have to stay on 3rd base, (600,1000 grit) the nicer it is to slide into home.




Alright, things just got weird and that's coming from me.  :pok:   :D
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Post by: Syph007 on July 13, 2012, 01:13:11 AM
Alright, things just got weird and that's coming from me.  :pok:   :D
Ok, maybe I was overtired, but it was funny to me at the time.. LOL.   :D


Now.. for something different.. wait.. it's.. not an urban pioneer! 

I had a request if this could be built, so I mocked this up tonight to make sure the parts fit together.  I have no clever name, but whittler something.  Its a harvester with small blade instead of cap lifter. I wanted to try out my natural anodized scales since I think they are beautiful, but maybe I should name them Titanium gray, like Vic does so they sound more exciting than natural hard anodize...  :think:

Anywhere here it is.. a fist full of blades and a saw.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom023/1Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom023/2Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom023/3Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom023/4Large.jpg)

With my other scale color options for reference, and a stock vic solo.  I really like the look of this one. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom023/5Large.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Waterlander on July 13, 2012, 01:25:51 AM
Now that is a blade setup I like. Ubercool.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on July 13, 2012, 02:35:47 AM
Beautiful. I had the same setup in mind even with the small 91mm blade (but the pruner ground down to a Wharncliffe for better whittling use) and the Bushwhittler was my favorite name for something centered around carving and sawing.

But I couldn't make the small 91mm blade sit high enough to get to the nail nick. How'd you pull that off?

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 13, 2012, 02:46:40 AM
Beautiful. I had the same setup in mind even with the small 91mm blade (but the pruner ground down to a Wharncliffe for better whittling use) and the Bushwhittler was my favorite name for something centered around carving and sawing.

But I couldn't make the small 91mm blade sit high enough to get to the nail nick. How'd you pull that off?

You have to flip the opener layer spring around so the longer part is on the small blade side and that props it up just enough to get to the nick.  It's still on the wrong side, but I can open it without having to open the other tools.  The pruner blade sits a tiny bit lower than so I had to change that profile where it meets the spring to get it to angle up a bit more.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Capbyrd on July 13, 2012, 05:11:01 AM
Its perfect!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 14, 2012, 04:11:39 AM
Tonight I made some good progress on another new mod for me.  Similar to Bushidos Alox deluxe tinker, but with a small blade nested with the large.

I have all the hardware parts prepped, and I hand made 3 brass liners for this beauty. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom025/IMG_2961Large.jpg)

This is the first time I put Red HA scales with polished brass liners, and when I put them together I thought, wow this is pretty.  I really like the look of it and I think brass is going to find its way more often into the liner rotation.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom025/IMG_2968Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom025/IMG_2970Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom025/IMG_2976Large.jpg)

I just have to do the pin splice trick and I can assembly this tomorrow.  There is alot of backspring there so I hope it won't be too tough to get the pins popped in place.

Cheers
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Capbyrd on July 14, 2012, 05:42:47 AM

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom025/IMG_2968Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom025/IMG_2970Large.jpg)


Almost makes me want to change my mind. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MultiMat on July 14, 2012, 07:42:48 AM
Man the brass liners look :drool: :drool: :drool: :salute: :salute: :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Raukodur on July 14, 2012, 10:21:57 AM
Dark red and shiny brass/gold colour really gives a luxurious feel. Similar to dark blue and silver.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: digitaldave on July 15, 2012, 03:04:43 PM
If only there was a way to give the tools the same brass colour, you'd have Iron Man's SAK :).
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on July 15, 2012, 04:22:12 PM
OMG - yes, brass is the way forward with the red (definitely for mine anyway ;)).
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 16, 2012, 04:31:39 AM
I got this red scaled beauty together tonight.  I wont lie and say it was easy.. it took alot of fiddling and custom washer making and test fitting.  I'm darn happy with the outcome though!  :D


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom025/1Large.jpg)

I love the brass!  When I get some spare time I'm going to make up a bunch more brass liners.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom025/2Large.jpg)

This has a Titanium keyring spacer, a regular one wouldn't be strong enough to hold the weight of this beefy SAK.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom025/4Large.jpg)

The tool loadout I tried in a bunch of different orientations, but in the end I was happiest with the way Vic does it with pliers and scissors opening the same way, opposite the main knife.  The other ways didn't look as esthetically balanced IMO.  All the tools are easily accessible and everything has good snap.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom025/6Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom025/7Large.jpg)

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on July 16, 2012, 04:47:59 AM
That one is the bes one yet. Great tool set.. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on July 16, 2012, 05:10:07 AM

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom025/6Large.jpg)

Damn, look at that.  :o Trifles make perfection and perfection is no trifle.

Seems like only yesterday that Syph was messaging me asking about torx pins and polishing inside pivot holes. I'd respond with all the details because he seemed to "get it" and would turn right around and do it just as well or better than I do. He did the 91mm to 84mm scissor mod all on his own and I still haven't even tried to work that one out yet. For the first time yesterday I had to refer a customer to him for that because I'd never done it. 

I'm so proud. (sniff)  :cry: 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 16, 2012, 05:16:15 AM

Damn, look at that.  :o Trifles make perfection and perfection is no trifle.

Seems like only yesterday that Syph was messaging me asking about torx pins and polishing inside pivot holes. I'd respond with all the details because he seemed to "get it" and would turn right around and do it just as well or better than I do. He did the 91mm to 84mm scissor mod all on his own and I still haven't even tried to work that one out yet. For the first time yesterday I had to refer a customer to him for that because I'd never done it. 

I'm so proud. (sniff)  :cry:

:D Well I still remember finding this cool Ti Yeoman thread before I became active on the forum, and thinking that guy must really know his stuff!

Your tips for getting the Philips seated right were bang on!  Glad you worked that one out ahead of me or I would have have probably messed up my first try at that.
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Waterlander on July 16, 2012, 08:19:55 AM
Top job mate, ubercool!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on July 16, 2012, 07:33:56 PM
And this is why I am already planning on another mod with you. Very nice!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 18, 2012, 08:27:34 PM
I've been working on the cadet with scissors mod for awhile now, so I finally put together the prototype. 

It works great and the scissors have a hefty snap.  These are scissors from a 91mm SAK that I modified to fit on the 84 mm frame, since finding 84mm scissors now is pretty rare.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Super%20Cadet/IMG_3045.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Super%20Cadet/IMG_3051.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Super%20Cadet/IMG_3052.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Super%20Cadet/IMG_3056.jpg)

I sanded down some standard button head screws to make them as flat as possible, but I think I will try to countersink some small ones next.  I like to try to make them as flush as I possibly can.

Since the 84mm scales are thinner than 93mm scales I gave the pivot the maximum amount of scale to pivot on for strength, but I think I can split the different and have the pivot extend 1/32 inch into the scale and use the rest of the scale to sink the screw into.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Super%20Cadet/IMG_3061.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Super%20Cadet/IMG_3070.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Super%20Cadet/IMG_3079.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Super%20Cadet/IMG_3084.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on July 18, 2012, 08:46:20 PM
That's some excellent modding mate. 8)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 18, 2012, 09:07:13 PM
That's some excellent modding mate. 8)

My wife and son are visiting inlaws this week, so I've been in my shop alot pumping out some mods.   ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: digitaldave on July 18, 2012, 09:19:05 PM
 :drool:

Very nice!
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Post by: nj2656 on July 18, 2012, 09:51:46 PM
 :gimme: Man I need a second job. Now I want one of those.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on July 18, 2012, 10:14:09 PM
You really got me thinking now. Would a 93 awl fit in a cadet to make a small urban pioneer?
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on July 18, 2012, 10:20:56 PM
It will fit on a 91mm frame but I'm not sure about 84?
@syph
That cadet plus scissors looks sharp ;). I'm not a fan of scissors but that looks great!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 18, 2012, 10:40:32 PM
You really got me thinking now. Would a 93 awl fit in a cadet to make a small urban pioneer?

Somewhere a few pages back in this thread I have a picture of the awl on an 84.  It doesnt fit well, but I think if I reprofiled the part that engages the spring to be narrower to match the smaller 84mm toolset then yes it should fit just right.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on July 18, 2012, 10:42:49 PM
I'm also really digging the Cadet with Scissors.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on July 19, 2012, 02:03:12 AM
I didn't think that I came up with that on my own. I looked back at it that is what I was remembering. What about an Electrician blade in place of a can opener? Maybe with a thumb stud to use for quick opening all the mod packages coming to my hose from Canada.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 19, 2012, 05:02:59 AM
I didn't think that I came up with that on my own. I looked back at it that is what I was remembering. What about an Electrician blade in place of a can opener? Maybe with a thumb stud to use for quick opening all the mod packages coming to my hose from Canada.

Oh thats a nice idea too! :D  Too many good things to try and not enough time! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 19, 2012, 05:04:44 AM
Quick update to my super cadet (what would the proper name be anyhow, cadet plus?).  I didnt like the first type of screws I used so I ground down some countersink ones and got those to fit nice.  Looks better I think  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Super%20Cadet/IMG_3095.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Super%20Cadet/Small.jpg)
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Post by: bushidomosquito on July 19, 2012, 05:44:24 AM
Springs!  :ahhh

Hot off the laser, 222 custom springs for scissors or pliers depending on how thick they're ground and how high that little rest bump is ground down. They're looking pretty gnarly now but they'll have it even worse once they get into the heat treat oven. They'll be tempered to around 45 Rc and then on to be surface ground to 2 different thicknesses Each one will be hand fitted and polished as it gets installed.


(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll227/bushidomosquito/titanium%2093/P7180026.jpg)


As compared to a Solo spring. Plenty of extra meat on the rest riser to be ground down to the perfect height as each one gets hand fitted. Same with the ramp. Notice how they slope up from the center pivot to the working end so the thumb lever of the scissors or pliers can slide right up that ramp and close gently as they snap shut rather than hitting that bump like on the blade and saw springs we've been using.

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll227/bushidomosquito/titanium%2093/P7180031.jpg)

Soon there will be no more buying 2 Farmers to get the saw springs for pliers or a Pioneer or Solo to get a blade spring for scissors. We want to make these mods as affordable as possible so everybody can enjoy one.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 19, 2012, 05:56:25 AM
 :woohoo:

You have no idea how nice it is to see a part I designed on the computer exist in real life.  Looks perfect.  That 440 will polish up beautiful after its hardened and I cant wait to get my hands on those beauties.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on July 19, 2012, 07:59:51 AM
 :tu:
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Post by: MultiMat on July 19, 2012, 10:49:01 AM
Syph you are killing me mate  :ahhh :ahhh

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Super%20Cadet/IMG_3095.jpg)

The 007 Cadet is  8) 8) 8), small blade instead of the can opener  :drool: :gimme: :gimme: :D.Add brass liners & I am a dribbling wreck  :ahhh :D :D

I wonder what my tax return check will be  :dd: :dd: :D.

That is a LOT of springs, I can not wait to see what beauties get made with them  8) 8) , well done fellas  :salute: :salute: :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on July 19, 2012, 12:44:52 PM
I'm starting to really dig the Cadet too. School me on the tools. Do they have the same can opener as 91 and 93 with a 91 cap lifter or their own size cap lifter? Their own size blade or are they squeezing a 91 blade in there? I know Vic likes to make as few parts as possible and I'm  wondering how many are exclusive to the 84mm size.

007 Cadet  :D
It should have a tracking device, a laser and a magnet for deflecting bullets.

 I swear someday I'm going to make this thing real,
(http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/photogallery_image/articles/getsmart_ss_3.jpg)

It looks like it already has my titanium magnifying glass.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 19, 2012, 12:57:49 PM
The 84's do have their own custom size blade and openers.  Just slightly smaller and thinner than the 91's.  007 Cadet! I like that!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ICanFixThat on July 19, 2012, 01:46:22 PM
Quick update to my super cadet (what would the proper name be anyhow, cadet plus?).  I didnt like the first type of screws I used so I ground down some countersink ones and got those to fit nice.  Looks better I think  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Super%20Cadet/IMG_3095.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Super%20Cadet/Small.jpg)
Beauty!!  :drool: :drool:  :drool: 

You don't know how long people have been dreaming for a model like this.

Now let's make that can-opener and nail-file just a bit more useful, and maybe a touch of brass for a touch class.  :D

 :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ICanFixThat on July 19, 2012, 01:52:28 PM
Springs!  :ahhh

Hot off the laser, 222 custom springs for scissors or pliers depending on how thick they're ground and how high that little rest bump is ground down. They're looking pretty gnarly now but they'll have it even worse once they get into the heat treat oven. They'll be tempered to around 45 Rc and then on to be surface ground to 2 different thicknesses Each one will be hand fitted and polished as it gets installed.


(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll227/bushidomosquito/titanium%2093/P7180026.jpg)


As compared to a Solo spring. Plenty of extra meat on the rest riser to be ground down to the perfect height as each one gets hand fitted. Same with the ramp. Notice how they slope up from the center pivot to the working end so the thumb lever of the scissors or pliers can slide right up that ramp and close gently as they snap shut rather than hitting that bump like on the blade and saw springs we've been using.

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll227/bushidomosquito/titanium%2093/P7180031.jpg)

Soon there will be no more buying 2 Farmers to get the saw springs for pliers or a Pioneer or Solo to get a blade spring for scissors. We want to make these mods as affordable as possible so everybody can enjoy one.  :D

That really is  :ahhh   :cheers:   :salute:  :salute:  :salute:

I can see some great mods in the near future from these.  SAK modding is having an awakening; less sacrifices and more enlightenment.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on July 19, 2012, 01:55:13 PM
How exciting :D

Beautiful things and springs to make more... big smile here!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on July 19, 2012, 02:39:11 PM
I love coming here to this thread. It's always a  :drool: moment when you two post pics. I like the part of making these mods more affordable too. :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 19, 2012, 03:22:25 PM
Syph you are killing me mate  :ahhh :ahhh

The 007 Cadet is  8) 8) 8), small blade instead of the can opener  :drool: :gimme: :gimme: :D.Add brass liners & I am a dribbling wreck  :ahhh :D :D


The small blade should fit there, I'd have to test to be certain though.  I'm working on making up some brass liners tonight.  I just have to make a template for the liner pattern as I haven't made any by hand yet.  I'll do my best to make you into the dribbling wreck I promise! LOL  :D
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on July 19, 2012, 11:22:20 PM
Syph you are killing me mate  :ahhh :ahhh

The 007 Cadet is  8) 8) 8), small blade instead of the can opener  :drool: :gimme: :gimme: :D.Add brass liners & I am a dribbling wreck  :ahhh :D :D


The small blade should fit there, I'd have to test to be certain though.  I'm working on making up some brass liners tonight.  I just have to make a template for the liner pattern as I haven't made any by hand yet.  I'll do my best to make you into the dribbling wreck I promise! LOL  :D
The small blade fits ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on July 20, 2012, 12:27:26 AM
wow! thats a lot of springs ! :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 20, 2012, 02:41:39 AM
wow! thats a lot of springs ! :ahhh
 

I bought a 6 ft long by 6 inch wide piece of 440c blade steel and thats how many the laser cut out of that piece.  :D  I figured in the cost and it only made sense to do this if we did a bunch at once so I just went for it.  Soooo... kind really hoping it works out well in the end and my fingers are crossed.  :D
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Post by: enki_ck on July 21, 2012, 10:19:19 PM
I just had a thought how you could solve the rare 84mm Vic scissors problem.

Now that you two have the capability to make your own backsprings, why not make them a bit longer on the working end and solve the problem with the Wenger 85mm scissors compatibility? The problem for putting Wenger scissors into a Vic frame was that the Wenger spring did not fit cause of the middle pin and the Victorinox spring was too short, as the Wenger scissors have a longer shaft/cut out on the back end.

If you are making your own springs, you could just make that end longer and make the dream of a Vic SAK with Wenger scissors reality. :D  The pivot hole on the Wenger is a bit larger, but you're drilling the pivot out anyway for the screws, right?
 
 Did I ever mention I love Wenger scissors?  :angel:

(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr294/nickpong/P4040038.jpg)
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr294/nickpong/P4040032.jpg)
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr294/nickpong/P4040033.jpg)
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr294/nickpong/P4040036.jpg)

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Post by: Syph007 on July 21, 2012, 11:17:26 PM
Huh, that is interesting and thanks for the pics.  I haven't experimented too much with Wenger parts as they are much harder to find around here, but I do like the Wenger scissors as well.  I have 2 Wenger travelers in the shop I bought for 1 dollar each, but I had planned restore jobs on those as another project.

The only mod I had thought about for the wenger scissors is to make a backspring that was half the width, so that the scissor spring that kept the scissor open was separate from the one that gave them their springyness if that makes sense.  Why?  Just so they don't bob up and down while I cut, thats the only con for me, otherwise I love them. 

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Post by: Rahmed on July 22, 2012, 12:09:23 AM
 :pok:222 springs? Mamma mia :tu:
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Post by: ICanFixThat on July 22, 2012, 09:11:46 AM
.....
The only mod I had thought about for the wenger scissors is to make a backspring that was half the width, so that the scissor spring that kept the scissor open was separate from the one that gave them their springyness if that makes sense.  Why?  Just so they don't bob up and down while I cut, thats the only con for me, otherwise I love them.
That would be nice, I would like them a lot more if they worked correctly.  You probably noticed that is what they do with their small knives so there they work quite nicely.  On the large knives it really bugs me if I need to do more than a single snip.  It just feels all wrong and there is less precision for thinks like paper or anything that might move.  Vic 91mm scissors rule for me right now.
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Post by: crackout on July 31, 2012, 12:24:57 PM
That's just awesome!
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Post by: Syph007 on August 02, 2012, 09:24:23 PM
Ok I've been diving into 84mm mods this past week, and I want to show a specific problem I finally solved.  I'll post my problem first then what I came up with as a solution. (I'm also curious if anyone has any other ideas, but this is all I could think of to do).

First the goal was to get a philips/caplifter layer together on an 84mm cadet.

The new style philips is shorter but has almost no extra metal to it to relocate the pivot, so this mod is really only possible with the older style philips.  Here you can see that it is so long there is just no way to make it fit without relocating the pivot hole and a lot of grinding.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/1.jpg)

Here is what the philips piece looks like with a new 1/8 inch pivot hole and significant grinding to contour the end.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/2.jpg)

Great I think, seems to work fine in the open position and good snap.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/3.jpg)

And at first try it seems fine in the closed position too....

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/4.jpg)

... but it's not.  There is so little metal left that the momentum of the closing action just shoots the philips right down into the scale and buries it.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/5.jpg)

So what to do?  Sure a custom made spring could solve it, but that not a realistic solution unless I want to make 250 of these?  Hmm nope, but what to do?
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Post by: Syph007 on August 02, 2012, 09:35:22 PM
Here is what I finally came up with after 3 failed alternate attempts.

I took the 91mm spring from the old style philips/mag layer, and ground it to length to fit on the 84mm frame.  This was a nice spring to work with since its already the perfect width for the philips component.

Now.. how to make a rest for it?  Here is what I did.  I drilled a 1/8 inch hole in the meat of the spring (to not effect the spring integrity) and then filed out a rectangular channel to open it up.  This yielded a sort of round dovetail shape.  Now I just needed to make a piece to match up with this shape.  I took a small chunk from a modern philips/mag layer spring (since it's identical in thickness) and ground a 1/8 inch bulb shape on it to fit the hole I made.  I made sure to have it a snug fit and then coated it in red loctite and tapped it in. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/b.jpg)

The result was better than I hoped, it does not have even the tiniest bit of wiggle and it's completely rock solid.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/c.jpg)

Hmm, looks weird I know, but...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/d.jpg)

... it provides a perfect rest for the philips component and it no longer flops down into the scales.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/e.jpg)

Here is what the layer looks like assembled.  Both tools have nice solid snap for both open and close. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/f.jpg)

So.. while its a bit of an unorthodox solution, I didnt compromise the spring integrity, and provided a good rest for the philips driver.   The other solution I had dreamed up was to have the rest held on by the liners, but that would make assembly much tougher, so I'm quite happy with this as a solution.

This was for sure the most 'extreme' spring modding Ive ever done, but I'm quite pleased with how it turned out.

Cheers
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Post by: nj2656 on August 02, 2012, 09:46:26 PM
Not sure if you've seen it or not but on the old SOSAK site Scibeer did a mod on an phillips. Not sure all the details but there were lots of pics. Maybe of use. I will be contacting you in the near future for a a Cadet with that mod plus the 93 awl and 91 scissors. Work out all the bugs cause I can't wait. :mail: :climber: :gimme:
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Post by: Syph007 on August 02, 2012, 09:55:13 PM
Not sure if you've seen it or not but on the old SOSAK site Scibeer did a mod on an phillips. Not sure all the details but there were lots of pics. Maybe of use. I will be contacting you in the near future for a a Cadet with that mod plus the 93 awl and 91 scissors. Work out all the bugs cause I can't wait. :mail: :climber: :gimme:

I'll have to take a look.  The only mod I've seen so far with a philips on a cadet was this one.

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=1128 (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=1128)

Getting the philips on the bigger 93mm frame works no problem, but on the 84mm it's much trickier.
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Post by: WWW on August 02, 2012, 10:46:10 PM
That is what I call a fantastic mod, very interesting. It may be a little unorthodox but it is very clever!

I think I can blame you for getting me, more and more, into Alox SAK's!! Hopefully in the near future I may put my hands into one of your beauties!! :salute:
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Post by: nj2656 on August 03, 2012, 12:19:12 AM
The mod was on a cellidor but in theory I would think it would translate over.
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on August 03, 2012, 12:28:23 AM
Another possible alternative maybe would be to shorten the cap lifter instead. Looks to have plenty of metal and that would aid in the length of the Phillips???
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on August 03, 2012, 06:41:52 AM
Nice job  :tu: keep up the good work,, JR
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Post by: bushidomosquito on August 03, 2012, 07:51:07 AM
That's an awesome mod. I was looking at that and thinking that the student has surpassed the master but then...

What about just filing a few notches in the right places to make a sort of sear catch mechanism? Something like if you removed the black areas in this picture,

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll227/bushidomosquito/4.jpg)

What you have looks slick but seems like a lot of work filing and fitting. I'd treat it like a firearms sear and build a simple block with pins to put the spring and driver on. Then drill a bigger hole through the block in the area where the sear catch will be filed so you can slip the file through there and swing either the driver or spring out of the way as you file the other. If it has a hard snap as is maybe a little relief in that area will make it snap less hard and make it easy on that little catch.

I played with my first 84mm this weekend and I've decided to leave them all up to you. Just let me know if anybody asks you for ti scales. I've got 4 of those long drivers, 2 have worn tips so they might be good to practice the catch filing on. I'll send them to you in your next care package with the Ti 93 scales.
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Post by: Syph007 on August 03, 2012, 04:34:26 PM
That's an awesome mod. I was looking at that and thinking that the student has surpassed the master but then...

What about just filing a few notches in the right places to make a sort of sear catch mechanism? Something like if you removed the black areas in this picture,

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll227/bushidomosquito/4.jpg)

What you have looks slick but seems like a lot of work filing and fitting. I'd treat it like a firearms sear and build a simple block with pins to put the spring and driver on. Then drill a bigger hole through the block in the area where the sear catch will be filed so you can slip the file through there and swing either the driver or spring out of the way as you file the other. If it has a hard snap as is maybe a little relief in that area will make it snap less hard and make it easy on that little catch.

I played with my first 84mm this weekend and I've decided to leave them all up to you. Just let me know if anybody asks you for ti scales. I've got 4 of those long drivers, 2 have worn tips so they might be good to practice the catch filing on. I'll send them to you in your next care package with the Ti 93 scales.

Hmm a sear catch.  That could work, but that might be more fiddly for me to make.  It only took me 15 minutes to add the rest this way.  Drill hole, use belt sander to open it up, then belt sand a matching nub to fit it, then add that and belt sand to tidy up the length.  I'm not saying its the ultimate solution, I just couldn't think of anything easier at the time while not compromising the spring itself.

No love for the 84s for you?  The appeal for me is that the center hole matches the hole from the 91s so moving parts from 91->84 is actually easier than 91->93.  93s are still the king for toughness and the big boy mods though.  :D

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Post by: bushidomosquito on August 03, 2012, 06:45:25 PM
Yeah, I've only gotten one request for 84 that I'm doing with ti scales with the integral clip like my Ramblers. I've got my hands full with those Ramblers anyway and I have a lot I want to do with G10 91s when the first run of liners is done. I need to get those down to around $100 over donor cost. I'm learning my lesson about letting my plate get too full.

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Post by: Syph007 on August 04, 2012, 10:15:40 PM
I started doing a fit up with this new Philips layer on a cadet with scissors.  Brass liners and hard anodized black scales.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/IMG_3189.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/IMG_3199.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/IMG_3220.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/IMG_3199b.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/IMG_3206b.jpg)

It's looking pretty so far, and I'm still loving the brass.  It took me ages to get those liners made up as I had to create new routing templates for the 84mm size, but they did turn out nice at least so the effort was warranted.

That old 91mm Philips/mag spring never looked so good.  The nice thing about old metal is that its still new on the inside.  Vic steel takes a nice polish.

Cheers!
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Post by: Gareth on August 04, 2012, 10:40:48 PM
Not sure if you've seen it or not but on the old SOSAK site Scibeer did a mod on an phillips. Not sure all the details but there were lots of pics. Maybe of use. I will be contacting you in the near future for a a Cadet with that mod plus the 93 awl and 91 scissors. Work out all the bugs cause I can't wait. :mail: :climber: :gimme:

I'll have to take a look.  The only mod I've seen so far with a philips on a cadet was this one.

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=1128 (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=1128)

Getting the philips on the bigger 93mm frame works no problem, but on the 84mm it's much trickier.

Here's the link to Scibeer's 84mm special including Phillips screwdriver. http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=220&Itemid=35 (http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=220&Itemid=35)

Great looking mod BTW Syph. 8)
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Post by: Syph007 on August 04, 2012, 11:25:50 PM
Not sure if you've seen it or not but on the old SOSAK site Scibeer did a mod on an phillips. Not sure all the details but there were lots of pics. Maybe of use. I will be contacting you in the near future for a a Cadet with that mod plus the 93 awl and 91 scissors. Work out all the bugs cause I can't wait. :mail: :climber: :gimme:

I'll have to take a look.  The only mod I've seen so far with a philips on a cadet was this one.

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=1128 (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=1128)

Getting the philips on the bigger 93mm frame works no problem, but on the 84mm it's much trickier.

Here's the link to Scibeer's 84mm special including Phillips screwdriver. http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=220&Itemid=35 (http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=220&Itemid=35)

Great looking mod BTW Syph. 8)

Oh awesome thanks for the link.  :tu:
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Post by: ICanFixThat on August 04, 2012, 11:53:50 PM
She sure looks nice with brass liners!  :drool:  :cheers:

The Scibeer mod looks really good too.  Looks like he end up with more material for a stronger driver. The magnifier must be slightly shorter, or is there another reason?
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Post by: nuphoria on August 04, 2012, 11:57:22 PM
This latest experiment is gonna be great :tu:

As for that Scibeer link - been a while since I've seen it - genius :salute:
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Post by: Syph007 on August 05, 2012, 12:03:25 AM
She sure looks nice with brass liners!  :drool:  :cheers:

The Scibeer mod looks really good too.  Looks like he end up with more material for a stronger driver. The magnifier must be slightly shorter, or is there another reason?

Yep I was just comparing the two parts, the magnifier is about 1/4 inch shorter than the cap lifter so pairing the Philips with that you get to keep more metal.

The only think I don't like about his mod was not using a wide enough backspring.  It's a pet peeve of mine to have components thicker than backsprings so there are gaps in the back.  Also he should have put a bushing on the mag glass, he may have but it doesnt say.  It probably doenst matter, but its another thing that bugs me if the pivot holes are too big for the pivots.

Also I dunno about heating the part to drill it, that feels wrong to me too.  Maybe back then carbide bits cost alot?  I get them for about 5 bucks when I buy them in packs.  The older vic steel is softer than modern too, and I have no issues popping a hole through the fully tempered part, its a 5 second job.
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Post by: nuphoria on August 05, 2012, 09:51:23 AM
No doubt things can always be improved - it's the body of work that counts :tu:

Between you all, some lovely things have been created.
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Post by: ICanFixThat on August 05, 2012, 04:26:06 PM
Ya I like looking at the evolution of the modding techniques as much as looking at the evolution of the Victorinox manufacturing and tools themselves.

It's a good way to realize even the "simple pocket knife" is not so simple if you really study it.  They sure got a big break from nature though with the development of corrosion resistent metals.

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Post by: Syph007 on August 05, 2012, 10:14:51 PM
I finished getting this 3 layer cadet together.  No keyring, smooth all the way around.  I'm still in love with the brass liners so I will for sure keep making up some more of these.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/a.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/b-1.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/c-1.jpg)

I was proud of this part.  This is the scissor spring from the 91 that I cut down and fit so it's two separate parts.  I got it nice and contoured to the scale this time so all you see is that tiny line between the two parts.   The next best solution here is the original 84 mm scissor spring or making a custom one.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/IMG_3279.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/IMG_3281.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/IMG_3297.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/IMG_3301.jpg)
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Post by: nuphoria on August 06, 2012, 12:25:49 AM
Brilliant :cheers:
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Post by: ICanFixThat on August 06, 2012, 01:30:53 AM
I finished getting this 3 layer cadet together.  No keyring, smooth all the way around.  I'm still in love with the brass liners so I will for sure keep making up some more of these.

....

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20with%20Philips/b-1.jpg)

....

I was proud of this part.  This is the scissor spring from the 91 that I cut down and fit so it's two separate parts.  I got it nice and contoured to the scale this time so all you see is that tiny line between the two parts.   The next best solution here is the original 84 mm scissor spring or making a custom one.

....

OMG!  Absolutely Fantastic!!  

  :drool: :drool: :drool:  :salute:  :cheers:
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Post by: MultiMat on August 06, 2012, 03:11:29 AM
Mate that looks  :drool: & what a great tool set  8) :salute: :salute:
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Post by: Sidhartha on August 06, 2012, 03:56:08 AM
very sexy!!!  :tu:
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Post by: nj2656 on August 06, 2012, 05:02:30 AM
  :drool: :gimme: I would love to see that with an awl.
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Post by: clickstop on August 06, 2012, 06:26:10 AM
The PERFECT tool set. What a beauty  :drool: :drool: :drool:
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Post by: crackout on August 06, 2012, 09:53:10 AM
So great!
Can't wait for my Pioneer, hehe.
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Post by: Waterlander on August 06, 2012, 06:18:22 PM
Gratz for pulling this off Syph, it's a winner.  :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on August 06, 2012, 08:01:47 PM
Also I dunno about heating the part to drill it, that feels wrong to me too.  Maybe back then carbide bits cost alot?  I get them for about 5 bucks when I buy them in packs.  The older vic steel is softer than modern too, and I have no issues popping a hole through the fully tempered part, its a 5 second job.

As a follow up to what I said earlier.  I took a vid of me drilling through a backspring with a carbide bit, and I think it's pretty much a 5 second (ok maybe 7 seconds :D) drilling job.   Jobs are always easier when you have the right tools. These spade bits are $11 but I can do at least 100 parts with one.  I have some cheaper ones that were $5 each.

VID 20120806 00019 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnx2RSW4P7Q#)
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Post by: Rahmed on August 06, 2012, 09:17:06 PM
Excellent job, mate :tu:
I need to buy some Alox Cadet or Bantam :whistle:
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Post by: heardrwt on August 08, 2012, 08:31:28 AM
Syph007, any news on the custom 93mm scissor springs?
Last i heard they were going for heat treating.
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Post by: Syph007 on August 08, 2012, 12:26:48 PM
Syph007, any news on the custom 93mm scissor springs?
Last i heard they were going for heat treating.

I got confirmation that they made it through heat treat. I don know if they've been shipped back to Bushido yet.  He has to get them surface ground locally, and then they'll be on their way to me!  :D   He sent me a raw cut one to test fit and they will work just fine so Im anxious to get these in!
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Post by: Syph007 on August 10, 2012, 11:50:21 PM
I'm still waiting on springs and green anodize scales (which I think is OD green, he was calling it military green) but I got my red anodized cadet scales today.  11 sets! :D  I have to make up a bunch of brass liners to go with these now.

I also did an experimental coating of some 6061-T6 aluminum liners I made by hand for 93mm SAKs.  I wanted to see what hard anodized red scales paired with red liners looked like.  They turned out very nice so I'll have to do a test.  This type of aluminum is as hard as aluminum gets so it should be a good test.  Perhaps even pairing the red liners with stock silver scales might look nice.

He showed me some more metal finish examples and he has some 416 stainless parts he did in black oxide that are 10 yrs old and still look pretty much perfect.  I'm going to have 20 sets of urban pioneer parts done in black oxide for a test and pair them with some OD green scales.  If I make up the screws ahead of time I can get those done black as well and put together some military looking SAKs.

Cheers!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3312.jpg)

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Post by: nuphoria on August 11, 2012, 01:05:30 AM
Sounds like more good ideas there sir :salute:
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Post by: ICanFixThat on August 11, 2012, 04:38:50 AM
Sounds like more good ideas there sir :salute:
+1

Does the anodizing of the liners change their surface friction with the SS tools?
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Post by: Syph007 on August 11, 2012, 04:56:37 AM
Sounds like more good ideas there sir :salute:
+1

Does the anodizing of the liners change their surface friction with the SS tools?

That's exactly what I was curious about, and why I Just ran 4 as a test.  I wanted to build a test SAK to see how they hold up for wear and if they function well against the stainless.  I pay a flat rate for the anodize so I figured I might as well toss a few in.
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Post by: Capbyrd on August 11, 2012, 07:45:48 AM
Ohhhh black oxide with green scales.  drool!
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Post by: enki_ck on August 11, 2012, 02:46:21 PM
This thread gets more interesting with every post. :tu: The red liners with black scales :drool:
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Post by: Syph007 on August 12, 2012, 01:39:34 AM
This thread gets more interesting with every post. :tu: The red liners with black scales :drool:

Hmmm that doesn't look too bad at all...  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3332.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3326.jpg)
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Post by: Corso on August 12, 2012, 02:54:39 AM
Very cool.
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Post by: enki_ck on August 12, 2012, 03:38:06 AM
This thread gets more interesting with every post. :tu: The red liners with black scales :drool:

Hmmm that doesn't look too bad at all...  :D


:ahhh

I'll test carry that one for you to see how the liners hold up. You can have one of my kidneys as collateral. It's been thoroughly cleaned with beer :pok:
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on August 12, 2012, 04:14:10 AM
This thread gets more interesting with every post. :tu: The red liners with black scales :drool:

Hmmm that doesn't look too bad at all...  :D


:ahhh

I'll test carry that one for you to see how the liners hold up. You can have one of my kidneys as collateral. It's been thoroughly cleaned with beer :pok:

Lol. Now that's a good one.
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on August 12, 2012, 06:46:09 AM
This thread gets more interesting with every post. :tu: The red liners with black scales :drool:

Hmmm that doesn't look too bad at all...  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3332.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3326.jpg)
That's nice, what's the name for this series? The drag strip, the black for the rubber tires, and the red lines for the strips?  JR
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Post by: captain spaulding on August 12, 2012, 06:53:31 AM
I'm really liking the Red Liners. When is the Bumble Bee coming. Black with yellow liners.  :tu:
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Post by: ICanFixThat on August 12, 2012, 07:16:19 AM
Very nice!   If they work well you could get quite artistic. 

The reverse; red scales and black liners might look even better.  Maybe you could get black oxide pivot screws. 

If you could get some titanium screws you could anodize them a nice blue, which would look pretty cool on black scales.
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Post by: Syph007 on August 12, 2012, 01:25:34 PM
Oh I'd love to find some Ti screws, but I've had no luck finding any so far.  There are companies that make them, but you have to buy in massive quantities which isnt realistic for a small time operation like me.  If anyone has seen Ti screws anywhere I need 2-56 thread pitch, countersunk style.

I figured Id throw in some of the aluminum liners with each color batch so I have a few of each in all the colors to play with.  I'll have some OD green ones hopefully this week.
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Post by: nuphoria on August 12, 2012, 02:57:54 PM
Very nice... really effective :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on August 17, 2012, 05:14:44 PM
Just got this one finished up.  Another option for can opener haters! :D  Red HA Cadet with scissors, brass liners and a small blade in place of the can opener.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom029/IMG_3341.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom029/IMG_3344.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom029/IMG_3346.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom029/IMG_3349.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom029/IMG_3350.jpg)



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Post by: Waterlander on August 17, 2012, 05:46:58 PM
For me that's close to perfect for 84 alox!  :tu:
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on August 17, 2012, 07:43:08 PM
Close??? How could he improve ??? :twak: lol
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Post by: Waterlander on August 17, 2012, 08:08:59 PM
If it was blue, it would be perrrrfect!  :D
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Post by: Sparky415 on August 17, 2012, 08:15:09 PM
^  :D

It is rather gorgeous  :drool:
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Post by: Syph007 on August 17, 2012, 08:36:27 PM
If it was blue, it would be perrrrfect!  :D

Blue is actually my next anodize color to run, I'm all out.  :D  I have some OD green that were supposed to be ready today, but I cant get them until next week now as the guy was away this week.
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Post by: Sidhartha on August 18, 2012, 02:41:41 AM
very nice tool selection mate  :tu: love that brass liners  :D
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Post by: MultiMat on August 18, 2012, 04:01:33 AM
Just got this one finished up.  Another option for can opener haters! :D  Red HA Cadet with scissors, brass liners and a small blade in place of the can opener.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom029/IMG_3341.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom029/IMG_3344.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom029/IMG_3346.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom029/IMG_3349.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom029/IMG_3350.jpg)

 :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :D :D
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Post by: heardrwt on August 18, 2012, 08:31:26 AM
Oh wow, the brass with the red really is beautiful.
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Post by: ICanFixThat on August 18, 2012, 11:22:03 PM
Wow!! That's a great idea, didn't know that would work.  I love how both blades open on the same end and both are on the outside.  This is excellent.  Any trick to get the small blade to fit opposite the caplifter?   If it's not taken....
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Post by: Syph007 on August 19, 2012, 12:08:33 AM
Wow!! That's a great idea, didn't know that would work.  I love how both blades open on the same end and both are on the outside.  This is excellent.  Any trick to get the small blade to fit opposite the caplifter?   If it's not taken....

This one is in the mail already heading to a land down under. :D 

The blade won't fit as it comes.  I put it in a vice and gave it a gentle bend in the opposite direction so it would fit in the same layer as the cap lifter.  I heat formed kydex over my vice jaws so they dont mar the metal, and the best way to give a sak blade a gentle bend I found was to mount in a vice, then hold a chunk of 2x4 against the bade and hit hard with a mallet, check for fit and repeat until happy.  As long as you are only bending a few degrees the blade is no worse for wear.
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Post by: Syph007 on August 21, 2012, 04:18:21 PM
I stopped by the electroplater on the way into work and the OD Green was ready!!!  I snapped a cell phone pic of what I got which doesn't show the color too well, I'll take some proper high res ones when I get home.  They look beautiful in person and turned out way better than the sample he showed me.

I got mostly 93s, some 84s, liners, and one 84 backscale that I did a cutout for the corkscrew.  I'm going to make an OD green 84mm alox golfer for fun.  :D

I talked to him more about his BO treatment and he was showing me that its pretty durable, way more than the Vic BO treatment, so I am for sure going to go ahead with that in the future.

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Post by: Sidhartha on August 21, 2012, 05:41:52 PM
wow very nice colour !!  :ahhh
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Post by: Syph007 on August 21, 2012, 05:46:16 PM
wow very nice colour !!  :ahhh

Its about a shade darkier in person than the photo shows, and it looks quite nice.  Now I can get some green scales on that bushcrafter I made before.  :D  Ive tried all his scale colors now except purple, but I cant see a big demand for that color.
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Post by: Metropolicity on August 21, 2012, 05:50:49 PM


I talked to him more about his BO treatment and he was showing me that its pretty durable, way more than the Vic BO treatment, so I am for sure going to go ahead with that in the future.

If you do make a run of BO, let me know so I can throw some stuff in too!
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Post by: Syph007 on August 21, 2012, 05:57:47 PM


I talked to him more about his BO treatment and he was showing me that its pretty durable, way more than the Vic BO treatment, so I am for sure going to go ahead with that in the future.

If you do make a run of BO, let me know so I can throw some stuff in too!

You got it.  He got me more interested today as he said he has his own process (hot method, with custom electrolyte) that hes been working on for years as his own trade secret for BO. I must admit that the pieces he showed me were much more durable than other BO tools I've had.  He said he'd expect a knife to be put to work for years before it showed much wear.  I'm sure hes upselling a bit, but he did get me curious enough to want to try.

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Post by: tattoosteve99 on August 21, 2012, 07:42:57 PM


I talked to him more about his BO treatment and he was showing me that its pretty durable, way more than the Vic BO treatment, so I am for sure going to go ahead with that in the future.

If you do make a run of BO, let me know so I can throw some stuff in too!

Me too me too please?
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Post by: Syph007 on August 21, 2012, 09:03:00 PM
Here are some better pics of the green, and a couple of group shots with the whole color family of scales I've done so far.  These look much better and are pretty accurate to how it looks in person.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3356Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3358Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3367Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3398Large.jpg)
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Post by: crackout on August 21, 2012, 09:12:10 PM
Yes! Finally!
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Post by: Syph007 on August 21, 2012, 09:14:23 PM
And here is the bushcrafter from a few weeks back, clad in green scales and matching green liners.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom023/IMG_3394.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom023/IMG_3391.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom023/IMG_3387.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom023/IMG_3382.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom023/IMG_3375.jpg)
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Post by: Syph007 on August 21, 2012, 09:15:00 PM
Yes! Finally!

I know I've been waiting on these ones forever! I'm happy with the result though, they turned out very nice! :D
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Post by: Capbyrd on August 21, 2012, 09:42:55 PM
And here is the bushcrafter from a few weeks back, clad in green scales and matching green liners.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom023/IMG_3394.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom023/IMG_3391.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom023/IMG_3387.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom023/IMG_3382.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom023/IMG_3375.jpg)


Looks perfect.  And since this is its intended use, what do you say we call it a Woodcrafter instead? 
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Post by: Syph007 on August 21, 2012, 10:10:35 PM

Looks perfect.  And since this is its intended use, what do you say we call it a Woodcrafter instead?

Sounds good to me.   :)  :tu:  I think for a bushcrafter one Id get some firesteel on there too one way or another. 
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Post by: Capbyrd on August 21, 2012, 10:13:55 PM
Agreed! 
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Post by: bushidomosquito on August 21, 2012, 10:25:08 PM


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3367Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3398Large.jpg)

HA in colors and black oxide that doesn't wear off easily? Is your guy some kind of mad electroplater scientist?   
Just out of curiosity, how much would a full set of Urban Pioneers in each color cost? That would make an awesome little collection.
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Post by: Syph007 on August 21, 2012, 10:59:56 PM
HA in colors and black oxide that doesn't wear off easily? Is your guy some kind of mad electroplater scientist?   
Just out of curiosity, how much would a full set of Urban Pioneers in each color cost? That would make an awesome little collection.

Ha, ya I dont know how much selling he was doing. So we'll see how the BO turns out, but it's worth a try at least.  It cant be worse than Vic BO, theirs was horrid on the one model I owned.  Just opending and closing the blades was taking it off like it was shoe polish.

A set of 5 Urbans eh... they do look nice together.  :D  If I get enough spare scales around I'll have to run the purple just to have a 6th option.  Well there is gold too, but I really didnt like the look of it at all, and marketing it as earwax gold probably doesn't sound too appealing.
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Post by: nuphoria on August 22, 2012, 12:59:08 AM
Wooo hooo!

The green looks fab :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on August 25, 2012, 08:07:20 PM
Here's my latest off the mod bench. 84mm green alox wilderness.  I had to krink the pruner blade about 3 degrees to get it to nest well with the main blade, but it worked out perfect.  All the tools open and close smooth and clear each other just fine.

Cheers

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom035/a.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom035/b.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom035/c.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom035/d.jpg)
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Post by: nuphoria on August 25, 2012, 11:21:25 PM
Aww, that's a very cute knife :D
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Post by: Syph007 on August 29, 2012, 03:12:53 PM
Here's my latest.  Red HA Hungry Electrician.  (so he can still open cans and bottles... :D)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom038/IMG_3463.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom038/IMG_3466.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom038/IMG_3467.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom038/IMG_3469.jpg)
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on August 29, 2012, 07:28:34 PM
NICE, so I see the one part works,, JR
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Post by: Syph007 on August 29, 2012, 07:41:22 PM
NICE, so I see the one part works,, JR

The combo needed a very gentle bend to fit in with the other blade.  It was rubbing a tiny bit without some krinking.  The only issue though is the nail nick is on the wrong side, but there was no helping that.
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Post by: Sparky415 on August 29, 2012, 09:43:14 PM
 :ahhh

Thats very very nice  :drool:
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on August 30, 2012, 03:35:26 AM
NICE, so I see the one part works,, JR

The combo needed a very gentle bend to fit in with the other blade.  It was rubbing a tiny bit without some krinking.  The only issue though is the nail nick is on the wrong side, but there was no helping that.
. Now the question is, will it fit across from a Philips?  JR
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Post by: clickstop on August 30, 2012, 03:40:58 AM
NICE, so I see the one part works,, JR

The combo needed a very gentle bend to fit in with the other blade.  It was rubbing a tiny bit without some krinking.  The only issue though is the nail nick is on the wrong side, but there was no helping that.
. Now the question is, will it fit across from a Philips?  JR

+1  :tu: Now that I'd like to see!
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Post by: user24 on August 30, 2012, 11:22:05 AM
Seriously ground-breaking work going on here. Exciting times to be a SAK enthusiast!  :gimme:
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Post by: crackout on August 31, 2012, 09:04:56 AM
Syph, just a few things.

You said solo springs need little modification to accept scissors. What would than be? Grinding?
Also, are you using 91mm scissors for the Pioneers?
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Post by: Syph007 on August 31, 2012, 12:41:29 PM
Syph, just a few things.

You said solo springs need little modification to accept scissors. What would than be? Grinding?
Also, are you using 91mm scissors for the Pioneers?

Yes 91mm scissors, and the solo springs just need a bit of the shoulder of the spring ground down.  If not the scissors will catch and not close all the way.  The amount you removed depends on the type of scissors. Older ones need more, newer style less.  Its obvious when you assemble them you can see how it catches.  I just grind a bit, then fit, and repeat until it sits right.
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Post by: crackout on August 31, 2012, 06:40:19 PM
I see. Would old 91 non alox scissor springs also work?
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on August 31, 2012, 07:45:04 PM
Yes it will. There's a sticky thread from harryf3 that shows how to do that.
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Post by: Syph007 on August 31, 2012, 08:43:46 PM
I see. Would old 91 non alox scissor springs also work?

Work yes, but its shorter so it doens't 'match' up with the other springs, or look very good IMO. But if you're only after function it works.

Edit: It was Harry who did this originally.

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,29175.15.html (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,29175.15.html)

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk215/harryfeet/IMG_1419.jpg)



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Post by: crackout on August 31, 2012, 11:51:19 PM
Ha, okay. Now that's functional. :angel:
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 01, 2012, 12:26:30 AM
As a side note, saw springs work too ;)
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Post by: nj2656 on September 04, 2012, 04:26:52 AM
Curious as to what the set of scales with the back tool cut out are to be used for. I missed that the first ten times I have read this(top left).
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 04, 2012, 11:49:15 AM
Curious as to what the set of scales with the back tool cut out are to be used for. I missed that the first ten times I have read this(top left).
Looks like a 84mm to me ;)
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Post by: crackout on September 04, 2012, 11:54:20 AM
Mhhhhmmhmh... Backtool Alox. :drool:
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Post by: Syph007 on September 04, 2012, 07:11:13 PM
Curious as to what the set of scales with the back tool cut out are to be used for. I missed that the first ten times I have read this(top left).

Ah you spotted those eh?  I did the cutout before anodize so it would look stock and smooth.  It's going to an 84mm alox golfer.  Im going to do a hidden 4th pin so I can get backscales on.  :D
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Post by: Syph007 on September 04, 2012, 07:18:30 PM
In a trade with Aaron (bushido) some time ago I got a set of unfinished Ti scales.  I just finally got up the nerve to start working on them to make a Ti urban pioneer.  I had to come up with a jig to round and smooth the scale edges and then went through many many sheets of all the grits of sandpaper I had up to 1000 grit to get a nice shiny surface.  So... about 3 hrs per scale just to surface finish.  :D 

Aaron is smurfing crazy to have cut these things out by hand with a jewelers saw and hand finish so many of them. NOW I see why it was such a big deal for him to be doing Ti on SAKs by hand.. its HARD and time consuming to finish Titanium!! Oh well, the one I got done so far looks very pretty and hopfully its partner will take less time.. then onto the liners!  :D

Here are some pics of the finished one compared to the unfinished.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Urban%20Pioneer/IMG_3613.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Urban%20Pioneer/IMG_3614.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Urban%20Pioneer/IMG_3618.jpg)
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Post by: nuphoria on September 04, 2012, 07:39:00 PM
Oooh shiny!

Any progress on the bits for my little knife yet? :D
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Post by: Syph007 on September 04, 2012, 08:12:55 PM
Oooh shiny!

Any progress on the bits for my little knife yet? :D

Still waiting on springs.  They're sitting as a low priority job at a machine shop waiting to get surfaced.   :(  Aaron keeps checking on them but they still arent done.  Apparently they tried on one machine but that didn't work, so they are waiting their turn on the machine with the more powerful electromagnetic chuck.
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 04, 2012, 11:16:23 PM
Hey you missed a spot lol :rofl:  jk. Those look :drool:
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Post by: nuphoria on September 05, 2012, 12:14:49 AM
Oooh shiny!

Any progress on the bits for my little knife yet? :D

Still waiting on springs.  They're sitting as a low priority job at a machine shop waiting to get surfaced.   :(  Aaron keeps checking on them but they still arent done.  Apparently they tried on one machine but that didn't work, so they are waiting their turn on the machine with the more powerful electromagnetic chuck.

And it was all going so well! ::)
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Post by: Syph007 on September 05, 2012, 12:16:47 AM
Oooh shiny!

Any progress on the bits for my little knife yet? :D

Still waiting on springs.  They're sitting as a low priority job at a machine shop waiting to get surfaced.   :(  Aaron keeps checking on them but they still arent done.  Apparently they tried on one machine but that didn't work, so they are waiting their turn on the machine with the more powerful electromagnetic chuck.

And it was all going so well! ::)

I'm trying to be patient and work on other things in the mean time, but I'll be one happy modder to finally get the springs in hand and put them to work.  :D
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Post by: crackout on September 06, 2012, 08:22:22 PM
I was thinking about trying a pivot mod next as well.
However, since I'm from metric Germany (:P) I think I'll make some custom 3mm diameter pivots myself. How big is the hole in the Alox tools?

You guys redrill to get 1/8 inch, which is around 3.17mm. If I make 3mm pivots, will they fit directly?
I know I would have to drill the 91mm tools, but what about the 93 ones?

Oh, one more thing: If I get a Farmer and replace the saw for scissors (can't go with a Pioneer, because I need the liner), do I even need a solo spring or can the saw spring handle it as well?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 06, 2012, 10:46:32 PM
I was thinking about trying a pivot mod next as well.
However, since I'm from metric Germany (:P) I think I'll make some custom 3mm diameter pivots myself. How big is the hole in the Alox tools?

You guys redrill to get 1/8 inch, which is around 3.17mm. If I make 3mm pivots, will they fit directly?
I know I would have to drill the 91mm tools, but what about the 93 ones?

Oh, one more thing: If I get a Farmer and replace the saw for scissors (can't go with a Pioneer, because I need the liner), do I even need a solo spring or can the saw spring handle it as well?

Now you're hooked! You'll be ordering donor knives left and right now!  :D

For hole sizes. 

Standard 93 mm alox - Tool holes are 3mm, center spring hole is 2.5mm
Standard 91 mm - Tool holes are 2.5mm

So.. if you made 3mm pivots you can use directly on the 93mm alox frame for the tools, and just have to drill the 91mm tools out to 3mm and that would be perfect.   You will also have to drill the center springs to 3mm from 2.5 as I dont recommend trying to make a tiny 2.5mm pivot, just make up all 3mm pivots and you will have me jealous! :D

The pivots I use are 1/8 inch hardened steel with 2-56 threading all the way through in a single threaded cut.

A saw spring would be too thin to use with scissors, unless you didnt mind a gap, which I would and it would bug me... if you aren't as picky you can add washers and it will be functional.  But I sense you would want it perfect as well... :D 

Happy to help with any other tips, just let me know.  Also if you get 3mm pivots made up, I'll be quite jealous and might have to finally do that myself.  I buy them in bulk for about $1.50 USD each though, so I don't know how many Id have to get made up to make custom 3mm ones cost effective.  Of course if you have a lathe and can drill and tap your own, and harden them that works too!

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 06, 2012, 11:24:33 PM
I'll have some 3mm pivots made with a M2 threading inside.
The only thing I'm still not sure about is the material I should use for the pivots. The drill bits for cutting threads this small are extremely fragile so you can't really use hardened steel in the first place.
I think I'll go for a standard stainless steel. Let's see.

Screwwise I'll use the button shaped ones, however they don't seem to be that common here in Germany.

(http://s1.directupload.net/images/120906/ni5uz7mj.png)

Button heads would be the one on the left, while the one on the right is called a "Linsenschraube" (lentil screw). The slant part however could compromise the fit.

A lot to fiddle around still. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 06, 2012, 11:34:21 PM
These pivots I have are 302 Stainless, spring tempered.  You want to end up with something somewhat similar in hardness to the SAK tools I would think, so you don't get one galling the other. 

 :think: Then again the Vic nickel silver pivots are quite a bit softer than the tools so they would be yielding to any tool wear... hmm maybe it would only matter after a very long time.  Or maybe it would matter more on a pivot since the walls are much thinner. 

For screw style I prefer the countersunk type, so they are flush with the scale surface.  Feels nicer in hand.

Regardless Im curious to see what you come up with!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 06, 2012, 11:36:30 PM
I ordered a Solo and a Farmer. Will use the scissors from my Compact's donor Explorer.
Exciting stuff. :)

I will send the scales of the Solo to my anodizer to have them PulseCoat treated. It's a special hard anodize he does exclusively.

Here's a shot of a yoyo we had done with this technique:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7088/7002992662_ebfa1eaf2c.jpg)


For screw style I prefer the countersunk type, so they are flush with the scale surface.  Feels nicer in hand.
So you don't use button srews? But I guess you still have the pivots go into the scales and not flush with the last tool?

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 07, 2012, 03:19:16 AM
Well I have no fingerprints left from all the sanding, but I got the Ti urban pioneer finished.  All Ti except the springs and tools.  :D  It turned out darn nice I think. 

It looks like a SAK from the future...   ;)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Urban%20Pioneer/IMG_3644.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Urban%20Pioneer/IMG_3646.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Urban%20Pioneer/IMG_3649.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Urban%20Pioneer/IMG_3654.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Urban%20Pioneer/IMG_3656.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Urban%20Pioneer/zoom.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Singh on September 07, 2012, 03:39:08 AM
WOW!
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Post by: Sidhartha on September 07, 2012, 03:46:23 AM
very pretty... and  shiny  :D   :salute:
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Post by: derekmac on September 07, 2012, 03:47:30 AM
Very nice!

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Post by: MadPlumbarian on September 07, 2012, 04:57:56 AM
Very nice Syph007, as always very impressive!  JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on September 07, 2012, 01:56:04 PM
Just excellent... a total evolution of the SAK :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: k12cop on September 09, 2012, 04:56:23 PM
Titanium scales and liners?  Start having blades made from s30v or 154cm, and you might be able to quit your day job...beautiful work.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on September 10, 2012, 09:42:28 AM
I´ve got a lathe i want to get rid of.... A 1960s (or maybe earlier) Hahn & Kolb - Just can´t find a box to fit it in and i guess it won´t fit into a Mailbox....

I´m looking to sell it to get a smalelr bench lathe, this one is about 400 kg and i only use it to turn a spacer once in a while or to refurb Starter Motor´s collectors.

Nice work btw, any chance to make more of those pivots, Crackout? I might want some...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 10, 2012, 10:11:26 AM
More pivots maybe, but not by hand. It takes too long and therefore noone could pay for them.
I could have them CNCed, but then I need a larger quantity. At least 50 I think.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 11, 2012, 01:58:39 AM
A few more things I'm currently thinking about.

I hate the keyring spacer so much. It ruins the entire smooth feel of the alox models. Can someone hook me up with a non-ring spacer, maybe?

I'm still waiting for my Donor-Solo to arrive and I was wondering what blades they used before discontinuing this model. I read on the Wiki that some came with bent blades and some had straight ones. Since I will use the Solo spring for the scissors layer of the Pioneer, the Solo blade always had the replacement blade role. I'm hoping for a bent blade on mine. Anyone with insight in which blades were used at what time?

Next thing: Awl replacements. There's this Settler Pioneer that sports a small blade. However, it's sold out everywhere. I guess these small blades are as thick as the awls? Using a small blade from the 91mm range is no workaround for me. It's just not sturdy enough to go along with the rest of the Pioneer. That said, I'm highly interested in blade layer tools (small blade, pruner or electrician); if someone doesn't need them anymore. :)

Tomorrow, the screws (and hopefully the Solo) arrive. Exciting!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 11, 2012, 02:36:37 AM
Ok I can sense your enthusiasm and mod addiction growing! LOL.  Ok some answers for you.

When people request to have no keyring on a custom, I use a liner as a guide and scribe a smooth line on the keying part to show where to remove the nub.  Grind that off, then sand and polish and you wont even know that part used to have a nub.

Solo blades came in a variatey of krink (bent) stages.  None of then will fit in a multilayer alox as is however, whether they are perfectly straight or bent.  If you look at a farmer/pioneer the main blade actually extends into the area above the liner, meaning on a solo it would be in the scale.  That being said Ive put a bend in a blade from a solo to fit, you just have be careful but the blades do bend.  Clamp it protected in a vice, and use a mallot.  Ive tweaked a few tools this way by a few degrees.

Ive never had a settler, and only use the 91 mm small blades for mods needing small blades. If you want a thicker short blade, Id go looking at an 91 main blade and cut that down to shape, add a nail nick etc.  You can use tools thicker than the awl, and use a thinner spacer too. 

Electricians blade and pruner will fit in there as well, but will need some tweaking.  They are hard to come by now though since those are all discontinued models.  Im going to have to start making electricians blades from 91mm main blades.  There isnt a great way to mod a pruner from another blade, but luckily that type was way less popular than the electrician.

Happy modding!   :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on September 11, 2012, 03:13:46 AM
A few more things I'm currently thinking about.

I hate the keyring spacer so much. It ruins the entire smooth feel of the alox models. Can someone hook me up with a non-ring spacer, maybe?

I'm still waiting for my Donor-Solo to arrive and I was wondering what blades they used before discontinuing this model. I read on the Wiki that some came with bent blades and some had straight ones. Since I will use the Solo spring for the scissors layer of the Pioneer, the Solo blade always had the replacement blade role. I'm hoping for a bent blade on mine. Anyone with insight in which blades were used at what time?

Next thing: Awl replacements. There's this Settler Pioneer that sports a small blade. However, it's sold out everywhere. I guess these small blades are as thick as the awls? Using a small blade from the 91mm range is no workaround for me. It's just not sturdy enough to go along with the rest of the Pioneer. That said, I'm highly interested in blade layer tools (small blade, pruner or electrician); if someone doesn't need them anymore. :)

Tomorrow, the screws (and hopefully the Solo) arrive. Exciting!

I'm parting 3 ringless farmers this week so I can hook you up with the ringless spacers and a pruner blade as well as some extra liners if you need them. Just PM me.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 11, 2012, 09:08:41 AM
Ok I can sense your enthusiasm and mod addiction growing! LOL.
It's getting worse any minute. :D

Quote
When people request to have no keyring on a custom, I use a liner as a guide and scribe a smooth line on the keying part to show where to remove the nub.  Grind that off, then sand and polish and you wont even know that part used to have a nub.
That was the plan, however the grinder I have access to is pretty darn garbage (see what I did to that phillips :P). That's why I was looking for a stock one.

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Solo blades came in a variatey of krink (bent) stages.  None of then will fit in a multilayer alox as is however, whether they are perfectly straight or bent.  If you look at a farmer/pioneer the main blade actually extends into the area above the liner, meaning on a solo it would be in the scale.  That being said Ive put a bend in a blade from a solo to fit, you just have be careful but the blades do bend.  Clamp it protected in a vice, and use a mallot.  Ive tweaked a few tools this way by a few degrees.
That's tragic. Then I guess I'll have to bend it. So you really use instant force (hits with a hammer) to achive a bent instead of a continuous pushing?

I'm parting 3 ringless farmers this week so I can hook you up with the ringless spacers and a pruner blade as well as some extra liners if you need them. Just PM me.
Sir, PM sent.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on September 11, 2012, 11:37:06 AM
Would this work, Electrician blade, large blade, scissors, cap lifter, phillips. I am working on a red scale with brass liner for an edc. Love having an awl but thinking a small blade would get used more.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 11, 2012, 03:22:48 PM
Would this work, Electrician blade, large blade, scissors, cap lifter, phillips. I am working on a red scale with brass liner for an edc. Love having an awl but thinking a small blade would get used more.

Yep that tools combo would work.   The electricians blade needs a tweak in the other direction, but it will fit.  Same as the pruner blade needs that to nest in with the main blade.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 11, 2012, 03:27:38 PM
But only those pruner blades that are mounted in the caplifter layer normally.
There are Pioneers that already have the blades nested next to the large blade (Settler, Pruner, Apprentice).

(http://bekleidungskammer.de/images/Victorinox%2053966%20Pioneer%20Settler.jpg)

(http://di1-1.shoppingshadow.com/images/pi/9c/d0/c8/99238818-260x260-0-0_Swiss+Army+SWISS+Pioneer+Apprentice+Alox+Ribbed+Mo.jpg)

(http://www.myshopkart.net/motengdemo/images/_products/moteng/53967.jpg)

Or am I wrong?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 11, 2012, 05:46:52 PM
Ah yes, those are even more rare to find for parts.  Ive only had the ones that come from opener layer SAKs.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 11, 2012, 11:28:26 PM
Do they vary in thickness?

(http://shop.messerjoker.de/bilder/produkte/gross/34.jpg)

(http://shop.messerjoker.de/bilder/produkte/gross/31.jpg)

Pretty confusing. ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 11, 2012, 11:37:23 PM
Do they vary in thickness?

Pretty confusing. ;)

No idea, but I would bet they are the same blade stamped from the same die.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 11, 2012, 11:38:57 PM
So I guess they use a thinner spacer then. Just from the looks I'd say the awl is thinner than the can opener.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 11, 2012, 11:50:31 PM
So I guess they use a thinner spacer then. Just from the looks I'd say the awl is thinner than the can opener.


Electricians blade / Awl - 0.070 inches
Cap lifter/ Can opener - 0.088 inches
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on September 12, 2012, 12:04:02 AM
The electricians blade on the Pioneer Apprentice (53965) is bent to the side to make room for the knife blade, on the Electrician (53781) it's straight. There's also a slight variation at the tip. Also, the spacer is on the other side.


Pioneer Apprentice always on the left:


(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh627/enki_ck/SAK/P9120009.jpg)
[size=78%](http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh627/enki_ck/SAK/P9120012.jpg)(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh627/enki_ck/SAK/P9120014.jpg)(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh627/enki_ck/SAK/P9120015.jpg)[/size]
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 12, 2012, 12:08:26 AM
The electricians blade on the Pioneer Apprentice (53965) is bent to the side to make room for the knife blade, on the Electrician (53781) it's straight. There's also a slight variation at the tip. Also, the spacer is on the other side.


Pioneer Apprentice always on the left:


Thanks for the pics!  :tu:  Looks like they are a different blade stamp, the nail nicks are different size.  I figured they had to be bent though or there is no way to fit them.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 13, 2012, 11:07:31 PM
What do you use as springs for the Pliers nowadays? Still beefcaked saw springs?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 13, 2012, 11:13:37 PM
What do you use as springs for the Pliers nowadays? Still beefcaked saw springs?

Ya, it means turning 2 farmers into pioneers for the springs, but they work so nice.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: clickstop on September 14, 2012, 01:03:06 AM
What do you use as springs for the Pliers nowadays? Still beefcaked saw springs?

Ya, it means turning 2 farmers into pioneers for the springs, but they work so nice.

What happened to the custom springs?  :think: I thought you had them made in different thicknesses
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 14, 2012, 01:27:30 AM
What do you use as springs for the Pliers nowadays? Still beefcaked saw springs?

Ya, it means turning 2 farmers into pioneers for the springs, but they work so nice.

What happened to the custom springs?  :think: I thought you had them made in different thicknesses

Don't have them yet, BUT, they are in the mail on their way to me.  The shop we were having grind them to the right thickness failed to do it, so Im going to make up something to hold it parallel to my bench belt sander, and surface them that way.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: clickstop on September 14, 2012, 02:06:07 AM
What do you use as springs for the Pliers nowadays? Still beefcaked saw springs?

Ya, it means turning 2 farmers into pioneers for the springs, but they work so nice.

What happened to the custom springs?  :think: I thought you had them made in different thicknesses

Don't have them yet, BUT, they are in the mail on their way to me.  The shop we were having grind them to the right thickness failed to do it, so Im going to make up something to hold it parallel to my bench belt sander, and surface them that way.

Aaah. Well at least they're on their way! No more buying Farmers  :D
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 14, 2012, 02:14:18 AM
How much do you have to take off? For pliers I mean.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 14, 2012, 02:19:07 AM
How much do you have to take off? For pliers I mean.

The 440c stock was 0.155 and I think pliers are 0.125.  Im going to leave 5 thou on each side for a washer, so Im going to shoot for 0.135.  Ive reduced blades and what not on the bench belt sander so It'll work. Its just a matter of making it even across the whole surface.  And of course doing 200 of them manually is crazy.  Only doing a few to get going manual, while a better shop is sought.
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Post by: nj2656 on September 14, 2012, 03:16:04 AM
While you guys are talking decimal points I got a question. Is there enough space opposite the Phillips to put two tools, say the cap lifter and electricians blade? I know nothing of the way the springs work or what not. I was just staring at my yeoman wondering. Cause between here and the Yeoman thread I have three different knives built in my head that I want.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: clickstop on September 14, 2012, 03:24:03 AM
While you guys are talking decimal points I got a question. Is there enough space opposite the Phillips to put two tools, say the cap lifter and electricians blade? I know nothing of the way the springs work or what not. I was just staring at my yeoman wondering. Cause between here and the Yeoman thread I have three different knives built in my head that I want.

No way to choose between the three, just make 'em all  :D I've never seen that configuration. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you would probably need two springs to do that, because opening one tool would make the other one loose.
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Post by: nj2656 on September 14, 2012, 03:49:16 AM
I thought that might be the case. If I only had the time and money. My wife gets ticked when packages arrive from Canada so I have to choose wisely.
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Post by: Syph007 on September 14, 2012, 03:50:23 AM
I thought that might be the case. If I only had the time and money. My wife gets ticked when packages arrive from Canada so I have to choose wisely.

LOL.  But ya a split spring would be the best, and actually probably would work.  Interesting idea.
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 14, 2012, 05:19:33 AM
@syph. I don't know what you use to hold the springs in place when you grind but I have done some manually that have work great by this method. I have a piece of sand paper glued to my bench. Another small piece of wood with some super strong double sided tape (strong I mean, takes prying to remove)  Then I just place the part on the sticky,hold it and sand away. How do you do yours?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on September 14, 2012, 07:49:53 AM
Syph, I´m getting off topic here, but if you´ve got that many Pioneers left, maybe you wanna do a straight trade for a lightly used Electrician? ;-)

Got one as my first alox and love the beefy blade and absence of the corkscrew, but don´t get warm with the Electricians blade. (which is untouched).

Just a thought.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on September 14, 2012, 03:20:02 PM
I thought that might be the case. If I only had the time and money. My wife gets ticked when packages arrive from Canada so I have to choose wisely.

LOL.  But ya a split spring would be the best, and actually probably would work.  Interesting idea.

I'm thinking maybe grind a pair of the opener layer springs down thinner and use them side by side like the saw springs for the pliers. They'll operate in unison for the Phillips and independently for the 2 tools on the other end.

Springs and scales are on the way to you now as well as 3 of the long Phillips that you use for the 84mm. A few more sets of Alox scales will follow shortly. I now need a set of blue HA scales for Waterlander if you have them. I could really go for any HA scales you can spare in any color. I'm cutting some titanium 84mm scales so if you want to give them a try I can send you a pair with the Alox. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 14, 2012, 05:06:57 PM
Syph, I´m getting off topic here, but if you´ve got that many Pioneers left, maybe you wanna do a straight trade for a lightly used Electrician? ;-)

Got one as my first alox and love the beefy blade and absence of the corkscrew, but don´t get warm with the Electricians blade. (which is untouched).

Just a thought.

I've used the electrians blade a few times and I get the same comment from people. They dont like the rounded cutout and the blade is not straight, or sharp enough at the end.  So I figured I might as well just start cutting down used blades from my pile and using those.  Works fine, but cutting a nail nick will be harder than I thought.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3701.jpg)

I do have quite a pile of 93mm parts and scissors though.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3698.jpg)

More random stuff...  I make these fit up blocks for each SAK size I work on. I find it saves so much time when working on a layer, to get it to a test fit stage, rather than fumbling with individual pins just for a test.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3695.jpg)

My sanding and grinding station.  That 1x30 belt sander has been my most used tool lately to grind on inside corners like when I cut down 91mm scissors for 84s.  The belts are also 50 cents on ebay! :D  (12 for 6 bucks http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Norton-1-x30-120Grit-Alum-Oxide-Belts-PK-12-/370645576185?pt=Sanders_Sandblasters&hash=item564c32a9f9 (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Norton-1-x30-120Grit-Alum-Oxide-Belts-PK-12-/370645576185?pt=Sanders_Sandblasters&hash=item564c32a9f9))

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3694.jpg)

I ran out of bench room so I expanded with a fancy $10 piece of 3/4 plywood and 2 folding metal saw horses I got for $10 each.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3693.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 14, 2012, 05:09:53 PM

I'm thinking maybe grind a pair of the opener layer springs down thinner and use them side by side like the saw springs for the pliers. They'll operate in unison for the Phillips and independently for the 2 tools on the other end.

Springs and scales are on the way to you now as well as 3 of the long Phillips that you use for the 84mm. A few more sets of Alox scales will follow shortly. I now need a set of blue HA scales for Waterlander if you have them. I could really go for any HA scales you can spare in any color. I'm cutting some titanium 84mm scales so if you want to give them a try I can send you a pair with the Alox.

Ya it would be a good use for 2 opener springs too, since I have those in abundance.

I will be anxiously watching the mail box for the package of goodies believe me!  Blue HA will be the next run for sure, I'm all out. 

I love anything Ti now... and in the 84 size it would certainly add some strength to the smaller frame.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 14, 2012, 05:14:53 PM
Ah nice, but you didn't show the box of magic! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on September 14, 2012, 05:53:35 PM
What thickness do you guys use for the TI scales?  I'll keep my eye open at work to see if I can get any bits left from jobs.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on September 14, 2012, 06:31:23 PM
What thickness do you guys use for the TI scales?  I'll keep my eye open at work to see if I can get any bits left from jobs.

If it's flat sheets we can use anything from .025" up to .125". I buy scrap wherever I can find it so if you can find decent sized pieces I'd be happy to buy or trade you for it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 14, 2012, 06:34:16 PM
What thickness do you guys use for the TI scales?  I'll keep my eye open at work to see if I can get any bits left from jobs.

If it's flat sheets we can use anything from .025" up to .125". I buy scrap wherever I can find it so if you can find decent sized pieces I'd be happy to buy or trade you for it.

Ya weren't you making use of odd little parts for jewelry too?  Like the cut parts between scales?  Might as well get the max value out of a piece of Ti.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on September 14, 2012, 06:37:51 PM

I'm thinking maybe grind a pair of the opener layer springs down thinner and use them side by side like the saw springs for the pliers. They'll operate in unison for the Phillips and independently for the 2 tools on the other end.

Springs and scales are on the way to you now as well as 3 of the long Phillips that you use for the 84mm. A few more sets of Alox scales will follow shortly. I now need a set of blue HA scales for Waterlander if you have them. I could really go for any HA scales you can spare in any color. I'm cutting some titanium 84mm scales so if you want to give them a try I can send you a pair with the Alox.

Ya it would be a good use for 2 opener springs too, since I have those in abundance.

I will be anxiously watching the mail box for the package of goodies believe me!  Blue HA will be the next run for sure, I'm all out. 

I love anything Ti now... and in the 84 size it would certainly add some strength to the smaller frame.

Cool. I'll cut you a few blanks out of 1/16" ti while I'm at it this weekend and send you a few pairs with all the Alox scales I'll have for you. I guess you can profile up to the scribe line yourself since you have the same sander I use.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on September 14, 2012, 06:44:54 PM
What thickness do you guys use for the TI scales?  I'll keep my eye open at work to see if I can get any bits left from jobs.

If it's flat sheets we can use anything from .025" up to .125". I buy scrap wherever I can find it so if you can find decent sized pieces I'd be happy to buy or trade you for it.

Ya weren't you making use of odd little parts for jewelry too?  Like the cut parts between scales?  Might as well get the max value out of a piece of Ti.

Oh I'm up to my neck in tiny jewelry sized pieces but I'll always be able to make use of anything bigger than a Dorito. I'm shooting a titanium cutting video this weekend to show how it's done with the jewelers saw so after you sand the profile on the 84s maybe you'll want to try cutting them out? Then you can make anything.

I'd like to do a video series on the whole process start to finish for those that want to try and those that want to buy.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 14, 2012, 07:05:36 PM
What thickness do you guys use for the TI scales?  I'll keep my eye open at work to see if I can get any bits left from jobs.

If it's flat sheets we can use anything from .025" up to .125". I buy scrap wherever I can find it so if you can find decent sized pieces I'd be happy to buy or trade you for it.

Ya weren't you making use of odd little parts for jewelry too?  Like the cut parts between scales?  Might as well get the max value out of a piece of Ti.

Oh I'm up to my neck in tiny jewelry sized pieces but I'll always be able to make use of anything bigger than a Dorito. I'm shooting a titanium cutting video this weekend to show how it's done with the jewelers saw so after you sand the profile on the 84s maybe you'll want to try cutting them out? Then you can make anything.

I'd like to do a video series on the whole process start to finish for those that want to try and those that want to buy.

Oh that would be awesome!  My issue when I tried was that the area I was cutting would get so hot it would start to smoke.. even going slow.  So clearly I needed a better coolant along the cut line or something.  I was breaking a blade every quarter inch.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 14, 2012, 07:09:14 PM

I'm thinking maybe grind a pair of the opener layer springs down thinner and use them side by side like the saw springs for the pliers. They'll operate in unison for the Phillips and independently for the 2 tools on the other end.

Springs and scales are on the way to you now as well as 3 of the long Phillips that you use for the 84mm. A few more sets of Alox scales will follow shortly. I now need a set of blue HA scales for Waterlander if you have them. I could really go for any HA scales you can spare in any color. I'm cutting some titanium 84mm scales so if you want to give them a try I can send you a pair with the Alox.

Ya it would be a good use for 2 opener springs too, since I have those in abundance.

I will be anxiously watching the mail box for the package of goodies believe me!  Blue HA will be the next run for sure, I'm all out. 

I love anything Ti now... and in the 84 size it would certainly add some strength to the smaller frame.

Cool. I'll cut you a few blanks out of 1/16" ti while I'm at it this weekend and send you a few pairs with all the Alox scales I'll have for you. I guess you can profile up to the scribe line yourself since you have the same sander I use.

I just used a file only no power tools to profile that 93 set of Ti scales.  I took 2x half inch diameter rods about 6 inches long and drilled and tapped them.  Then screwed one to each end of a scale and mounted in a vice.  Worked great as a way to hold the scale solid and allow 360 degree access to the part at any angle.

It took awhile, but I think the next time it'll go faster.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on September 14, 2012, 07:47:21 PM
If it's flat sheets we can use anything from .025" up to .125". I buy scrap wherever I can find it so if you can find decent sized pieces I'd be happy to buy or trade you for it.

Ok, I'll keep my eye open for ya.  Next time we send some to the sheet metal shop for work, I'll try and go up and see the guys and ask them to save any left over bits for me.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on September 14, 2012, 09:02:27 PM

I just used a file only no power tools to profile that 93 set of Ti scales.  I took 2x half inch diameter rods about 6 inches long and drilled and tapped them.  Then screwed one to each end of a scale and mounted in a vice.  Worked great as a way to hold the scale solid and allow 360 degree access to the part at any angle.

It took awhile, but I think the next time it'll go faster.

Yes, you passed that test Padawan, but that's rounding the edges. By "profiling" I mean taking a scale that's just been rough cut out of the sheet with the saw and sanding it right up to the scribe line so it matches the profile of a stock scale. Less work for me, more practice for you. (Hint: Epoxy 2 scales together before you profile and drill them.)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 14, 2012, 10:11:20 PM

I just used a file only no power tools to profile that 93 set of Ti scales.  I took 2x half inch diameter rods about 6 inches long and drilled and tapped them.  Then screwed one to each end of a scale and mounted in a vice.  Worked great as a way to hold the scale solid and allow 360 degree access to the part at any angle.

It took awhile, but I think the next time it'll go faster.

Ah... gotcha!  Ya all the shapes Ive made so far have been copies of other shapes and the router trick has seen to getting them exact.

Yes, you passed that test Padawan, but that's rounding the edges. By "profiling" I mean taking a scale that's just been rough cut out of the sheet with the saw and sanding it right up to the scribe line so it matches the profile of a stock scale. Less work for me, more practice for you. (Hint: Epoxy 2 scales together before you profile and drill them.)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 15, 2012, 12:49:30 PM
I thought I write down some key things for people that also want to try this mod.

1. Make sure to be extremely careful when removing the pins. Triple check if your punch and first thin drill spot is centered. It will save you a lot of hassle time and scales (at least undamaged ones ;))

2. The pivots must go into the scales. Otherwise the backsprings don't have enough tension to make everything snappy. I had the problem that mine were almost to short which causes the spring next to scale that doesn't see the pivot to not operate like intented. It lacks some punch. You can live with it, but it's just not the same like on a brand new one with pins.

3. When drilling out the center holes of the springs, make sure to stay as centered as possible. It's not just that the leftover material around the pivot hole is pretty thin when drilled to 3mm, but also the position of the spring might change, which make it lose tension when assembled.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 15, 2012, 01:00:06 PM
Yep good tips for sure.  I did 1 and 2 in your list and learned.  If the pivots dont get inside the scales you end up with a sad floppy SAK with no snap at all.  I still use hart burs for removing pins and havent had any issue wrecking scales since I moved to using those. 

I never had an off center hold in a spring though, but thats why I dont recommend people use a milling bit to drill with.  I like a pointed self centering bit and not clamping the work so its free to self center as I drill.   ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 16, 2012, 06:27:49 PM
Are the Phillips drivers on the Lite models (e.g. Spartan Lite) the same as the ones on Explorers? I found a Spartan Lite on eBay with incredibly ugly scales. I hope this will stay low on the bidding count. :D

Are Phillips drivers working well with stock caplifter/can opener springs? Do they need grinding? How about the mid-position lock?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 16, 2012, 06:47:33 PM
The lite models should all have the modern philips (i think) which is the on you want.  The older style (that is paired with old mag glass on explorers) is not what you want, it wont fit without moving the pivot and lots of heavy modding.

The philips is too wide for an opener layer spring, so you can do what I did and use a blade layer spring, or thin down the philips to work with the opener layer spring but then I don't think that layer would fit against a scale, youd have to put in near the middle, which probably would work better anyhow.  The best way to explain how to shape the pivot part to fit, is.. whatever spring you end up using, shape it to match whatever part normally goes with that spring.  So if you replace the can opener for a philips, match the shape of the can opener pivot area.  Scribe and grind and sand and polish.  Thats it! :D
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 16, 2012, 06:56:53 PM
I have a spartan lite and it is the small inline :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 16, 2012, 07:13:13 PM
Blade spring from a non-Solo knife, I guess.
Mh... blade springs are the least expendables. :-X
Let's see.  :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 16, 2012, 07:27:19 PM
Blade spring from a non-Solo knife, I guess.
Mh... blade springs are the least expendables. :-X
Let's see.  :)

Exactly.. and then you think man I have to waste a pioneer just for the spring... think a few more moves ahead in this chess game and you'll arrive where I did... it makes sense to make up springs.   :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 16, 2012, 07:45:25 PM
So you grind down your custom scissors springs or do you have an extra design?

You could still get these one layer Pioneers (the Pioneer Pruner is actually still being produced) and use the blade as a replacement (pivot assembly assumed).
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 16, 2012, 08:12:22 PM
So you grind down your custom scissors springs or do you have an extra design?

You could still get these one layer Pioneers (the Pioneer Pruner is actually still being produced) and use the blade as a replacement (pivot assembly assumed).

Yup I made my custom spring to have extra metal so I can grind down to use how I need it.

Pruner would work great. I thought it was discontinued too though along with solo/rancher/harvester.

I loved this SAK but it was a for hire job so it's long gone... I need to make another for myself.


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom025/6Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom025/3Large.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom025/1Large.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 16, 2012, 08:16:36 PM
So both retain their mod position snap in this example? And also with a blade spring?

http://www.victorinox.com/ch/category/Category/Sturdy-Pocket-Tools/1003?f=category&v=1/100/1003&m=add& (http://www.victorinox.com/ch/category/Category/Sturdy-Pocket-Tools/1003?f=category&v=1/100/1003&m=add&)

Both the Solo and the Pruner are still listed on the site. Not sure if that's a 'yes' for still part of the line-up though. I can still order them both at Amazon no problem.
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Post by: Syph007 on September 16, 2012, 09:55:39 PM
Finally got this sucker done... urban pioneer jr!  Pioneer Cadet with scissors...   :think:

Red hard anodize with brass liners.  The keyring had to go to make room for the awl and I made a custom piece in brass to take it's place.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20Pioneer/IMG_3725.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20Pioneer/IMG_3743.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20Pioneer/IMG_3718.jpg)

Here is what the awl modification looks like.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20Pioneer/IMG_3702.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20Pioneer/IMG_3707.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cadet%20Pioneer/IMG_3708.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 16, 2012, 09:59:57 PM
Uah...that looks like a lot of work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on September 16, 2012, 10:00:54 PM
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh627/enki_ck/Funny/bottlecaps.jpg)


I wish I had some money to spend  :(  This thing looks just dreamy. :2tu:
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Post by: crackout on September 16, 2012, 10:02:20 PM
This thing looks just dreamy. :2tu:

Fixed. :D

I'm not getting warm with Cadets somehow. The scales are too thin for my taste. Also the modding is so much harder.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on September 17, 2012, 12:43:58 AM
 That is EXACTLY what I want. Love the awl.  :drool: :ahhh :mail: :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on September 18, 2012, 06:49:16 AM
I have to keep a close eye on you. Is the knife in your profile a mod? If so could we see a bigger picture. Also any progress on the backtool 84mm? After seeing the Mini Pioneer I can't wait to see what you do with that. A Mini Camper with the corkscrew or Hiker with the screwdriver.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 18, 2012, 12:52:52 PM
I have to keep a close eye on you. Is the knife in your profile a mod? If so could we see a bigger picture. Also any progress on the backtool 84mm? After seeing the Mini Pioneer I can't wait to see what you do with that. A Mini Camper with the corkscrew or Hiker with the screwdriver.

lol, thats the one I did a few pages back with the electricians blade and combo tool.

Im working on the backtool mod next.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 18, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
Im working on the backtool mod next.   :tu:

Can't wait for that.

Anyone tried fitting a nailfile on a 93mm? Are there even bigger files than the ones from Cadets?
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 18, 2012, 08:30:58 PM
Im working on the backtool mod next.   :tu:

Can't wait for that.

Anyone tried fitting a nailfile on a 93mm? Are there even bigger files than the ones from Cadets?
Lots have tried that. It sits too low in the knife for the nail nick to be used. I had a idea for tools like that to fit but it's very time consuming and costly.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 18, 2012, 09:11:19 PM
Im working on the backtool mod next.   :tu:

Can't wait for that.

Anyone tried fitting a nailfile on a 93mm? Are there even bigger files than the ones from Cadets?
Lots have tried that. It sits too low in the knife for the nail nick to be used. I had a idea for tools like that to fit but it's very time consuming and costly.

Ya the only way I can think to make use of the 84mm parts on 93 would be to make a custom spring with fatter ends to hold the tools up higher. 
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 18, 2012, 10:50:33 PM
I was thinking of making a very small carrier that would be the same size as a 91mm tool. I don't have anything to draw up one though so the thought is still in my head :(
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 18, 2012, 10:56:34 PM
I was thinking of trying that with a 58mm scissors to put in place of a can opener, but when I looked at it, it was so much fiddly work to make, I lost interest.
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 18, 2012, 11:34:28 PM
Yep that was me too. Plus it's so thin I was afraid after all the work it would snap.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 21, 2012, 11:56:14 PM
Well I've been awaiting this day for 4 months now... that's right... urban legend no more...  I have custom scissor springs!  :D

Here is the original concept model I did.  The idea was to make a spring that can be used for multiple tools simply by grinding the nub rest down.  This should allow the spring to work for scissors, pliers, saws, really anything.  I could even use 84 mm tools like the 84mm combo tool in the main blade layer by leaving enough metal to hold the combo up higher than the stock 93 springs would.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/spring3_zps3e45de35.jpg)

Anyways.. all the steps in this process did work out except the last.  Succesful laser cut and heat treat, but the shop we tried to get them thickness ground couldnt do it.  Instead of waiting longer I decided just to hand surface some and get the ball rolling on actually using these things.

The best tool I had to surface is the belt sander, so I had to make a aluminum heat sink and mount some pins to hold the part.  The handy thing about these being springs is I could get them to tension against a pin placed just right and it was held quite nicely. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/IMG_3783_zpse30f36f8.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/IMG_3785_zps429ce4d0.jpg)

Grinding this way was slow, but successful.  I had to stop alot to water cool and measure each end to make sure im grinding evenly along the whole surface.  Slow and steady here was the key, but it did work out fine.  These started at 0.155 and I took them down to 0.110 inches.

Here is a finished and polished part next to an unfinished one that was what I started with.  This is how ugly they look after the heat treat, but they sand and polish up beautiful. I've worked a lot with vic springs and these look exactly the same side by side when both are polished so my custom ones will blend right in with the stock ones in the mod.  Finally!!!! :D :D :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/IMG_3787_zpse881e377.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/IMG_3796_zpse7a5be44.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/IMG_3800_zps46e1ee4b.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/IMG_3802_zpsb77bdeee.jpg)

When I get time later I'll show how they fit up with the scissors and what the action is like.

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 22, 2012, 12:01:58 AM
Amazing!
So you actually made super thick springs that'd fit pliers with minimal thinning and the rest with more? Good idea, yet still a lot of work if you're forced to finish them by hand.

In your CAD image, the spring looks thinner than the laser cut outcome though.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 22, 2012, 12:44:36 AM
Amazing!
So you actually made super thick springs that'd fit pliers with minimal thinning and the rest with more? Good idea, yet still a lot of work if you're forced to finish them by hand.

In your CAD image, the spring looks thinner than the laser cut outcome though.

Ya it was jut a 2D file that was sent to laser.  The material I chose was what determined the thickness.  I for sure don't want to be finishing 200 by hand, but a few this way to get some mods done is fine. 

Here is an overlay to show how the scissors were made to fit, and what can be removed to fit pliers. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/springs_zps569243bb.png)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 22, 2012, 01:55:29 PM
Wow that's thin!

How much offset did you do on the center hole for tension build up?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 22, 2012, 02:28:37 PM
The pliers and spring both have to ground to fit.  The same as using pliers with 2 saw layer back springs.

I made the curve of the spring exactly the same profile of a stock Vic spring for tension.  Heat treat made it curl just a bit more than a stock one, but the the added spring tension just added to the snap.  It works very smooth with scissors, and I'll give the pliers a test next.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on September 22, 2012, 04:17:43 PM
As I know one of these backsprings is for my knife, I'm a bit over excited :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 22, 2012, 04:45:32 PM
As I know one of these backsprings is for my knife, I'm a bit over excited :D

Yours is going together right now with the shiny spring pictured.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 22, 2012, 08:30:13 PM
A quick 84mm diversion.  I finished this one up last night but forgot to post pics. 

This is a red bantam, with brass liner and scissors.  I've refined my technique on scissor grinding now to get a super snap out of the old 91mm backsprings.  I added the video to show the the better snap action.

I guess I could call this an alox golfer too, but probably a full golfer needs the corkscrew and T&T.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom041/IMG_3805_zpsb874f1a4.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom041/IMG_3806_zps8d34f1b9.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom041/IMG_3807_zps69d4d5dc.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom041/IMG_3811_zps1f10db22.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom041/IMG_3815_zps63c991b8.jpg)

Alox Bantam with Scissors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04NGAz4e3zk#)

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ICanFixThat on September 23, 2012, 01:46:38 AM
Wow!  Nice!   :cheers:   :mail:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on September 23, 2012, 01:54:37 AM
That's just lovely - wasn't there an 84mm model like that with ribbed Alox in the past?

I know I coveted them a lot but they were fetching silly money.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on September 23, 2012, 02:47:36 AM
it only needs a corckscrew to be perfect, good job :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on September 23, 2012, 03:33:52 AM
That's just lovely - wasn't there an 84mm model like that with ribbed Alox in the past?

I know I coveted them a lot but they were fetching silly money.

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Voyageur (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Voyageur)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 23, 2012, 03:50:10 AM
As I know one of these backsprings is for my knife, I'm a bit over excited :D

Yours is going together right now with the shiny spring pictured.  :D

All done! :D

The pictures were hard to take in my shop with florescent lights, but it's dark out now so this is the best I can do.  ;)

Here is the new custom spring sitting with the scissors in open mode.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom047/1_zps92a83842.jpg)

And here it is closed.  Notice the scissor handle rests just right on that ramp I made.  :D :D  :tu:  :D :D 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom047/2_zps24b51088.jpg)

Here are a couple trying to show that it blends right in next to the stock Vic blade spring.  Again, hard to tell from the photos but noone would know it was a custom spring and not stock unless they were told.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom047/3_zpsbd143ccc.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom047/4_zpsc08042f7.jpg)

Chrissy I hope you like the mod, I think it turned out splendid! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom047/5_zps45343545.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom047/6_zpsde3d183c.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom047/7_zpsd6cbcc49.jpg)

And a quick video to show of the scissor action.

Alox 93mm SAK - Custom spring and scissors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hc35mTl6MA#)

Cheers!

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on September 23, 2012, 05:26:53 AM
Looking good, absolutely a thing of beauty! JR
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Post by: nj2656 on September 23, 2012, 05:33:52 AM
Beautiful work as always. Can't wait to get a new knife to you.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on September 23, 2012, 07:33:07 PM
Wooooo hoooooooooo, there she is :D

Been so worth the wait and awesome dealing with you on this. Can't wait to get my hands on it, and it's probably going to be my primary EDC for a great deal of the time. That backspring rocks :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on September 23, 2012, 10:34:17 PM
Looking great Syph, love the snap you are clearly getting. :cheers:  Can the same spring be adapted for use on the 84mm frame? 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 23, 2012, 10:52:25 PM
Looking great Syph, love the snap you are clearly getting. :cheers:  Can the same spring be adapted for use on the 84mm frame?

Sadly no.  The 84 has more in common with the 91 as they share the center hole position (different size but some location).  That's how I was able to use 91 springs on 84s to get scissors on.  The 93s are completely their own beast as far as hole spacing for springs go.  This spring I made up should work for a number of components though. I can even completely grind down the one end and use it for 2 tools.

If I run out of the old scissor backsprings from 91s that I got from Tom, I may have to make some springs up for the 84 scissor mods.  I got a pile of them from him at the time, and I think i have 20 left, but he said he was running low on that old style last time I asked.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 23, 2012, 11:20:37 PM
Tempting. I'm thinking about trying to scissor up a Cadet myself now that I found my old 84mm Climber.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 23, 2012, 11:24:37 PM
Tempting. I'm thinking about trying to scissor up a Cadet myself now that I found my old 84mm Climber.

Hey if you already have 84mm scissors ready to go from a small climber, that mod should be straight forward.  The nice thing about 84s is the parts between the alox size and cellidor are interchangeable, unlike the 91/93 sizes.
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Post by: crackout on September 23, 2012, 11:34:13 PM
You mean like the pivot holes and liners? Yes, I like that, too.
However, I think I'd try to peen though. I'm not comfortable with drilling the 2.2mm holes to 3mm. Especially the center one.
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Post by: Syph007 on September 23, 2012, 11:37:00 PM
You mean like the pivot holes and liners? Yes, I like that, too.
However, I think I'd try to peen though. I'm not comfortable with drilling the 2.2mm holes to 3mm. Especially the center one.

Peening would be easier for sure.  The funny thing is there is more metal on 84mm springs than 93mm springs.  I drill 1/8 inch which is about 3.2 mm and there is far more metal left around the hole on 84s than 93s.  It's just the way they were designed I guess.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 24, 2012, 12:40:27 AM
My problem right now is the broken spring inside the scissors.
I have replacement springs, but the little curl on the one end is too big for the hole on the scissors. :ahhh
Victorinox must have changed the size of the holes on their current 84s compared to the old ones like the small Climber...

Guess I'd have to drill the hole bigger because I see no way of slimming down the curl on the little fragile springs without breaking them.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on September 24, 2012, 10:44:02 AM
I´ve got 2 spare springs which i suppose to come from older 91 vics with screwed together springs (as they came with a spare screw). shipping is cheap, so i can ship one of the m to you and you can test them. Or you measure teh curl on your springs and i check mine.

BTW: I did not find any older screwed together Scissors on any of my donor knifes.
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Post by: Gareth on September 24, 2012, 07:41:05 PM
Looking great Syph, love the snap you are clearly getting. :cheers:  Can the same spring be adapted for use on the 84mm frame?

Sadly no.  The 84 has more in common with the 91 as they share the center hole position (different size but some location).  That's how I was able to use 91 springs on 84s to get scissors on.  The 93s are completely their own beast as far as hole spacing for springs go.  This spring I made up should work for a number of components though. I can even completely grind down the one end and use it for 2 tools.

If I run out of the old scissor backsprings from 91s that I got from Tom, I may have to make some springs up for the 84 scissor mods.  I got a pile of them from him at the time, and I think i have 20 left, but he said he was running low on that old style last time I asked.

Ah well. :-\  I rather thought that it was a long shot. :shrug:
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Post by: Syph007 on September 27, 2012, 10:15:56 PM
Here's a very different one from my typical jobs.  It was a request by a user with the use of only one hand.  He wanted a one hand opener but just the electrician blade and nothing else.

This uses my custom spring for a type of solo electrician.  The blade was straightened out as normally they are bent to fit with the cap lifter.  I also rounded out the hump on the pivot on one side to require less force to start the opening process since the blade is shorter and there is less leverage.  I also peened this one.  Crazy I know...  :D   The customer wanted it so I obliged.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom050/IMG_3856.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom050/IMG_3859.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom050/IMG_3860.jpg)

My cat and I took some video to show the action. (He was just taunting the neighbours dogs which is why they were barking)

Custom OHO Alox Electrician (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmy66rxYkvg#)

Cheers
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Post by: crackout on September 27, 2012, 10:19:41 PM
May I see the other side? :D
Crazy mod!
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Post by: Syph007 on September 27, 2012, 10:22:20 PM
May I see the other side? :D
Crazy mod!

The back side doesnt count! :D  It looks the same but not polished.  I spun those rivets and buffed them before I peened the back.
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Post by: nuphoria on September 27, 2012, 10:24:23 PM
That's great. I like the idea of OHO blades on SAKs but thought they would ruin the over all look... not so! :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on September 28, 2012, 03:15:46 AM
It doesn't look like it but is the thumb stud drilled and tapped or does it just go over the top? Reason I'm asking is as I mentioned to you I would like that mod but in a multilayer.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 28, 2012, 05:01:11 AM
It doesn't look like it but is the thumb stud drilled and tapped or does it just go over the top? Reason I'm asking is as I mentioned to you I would like that mod but in a multilayer.

This type is just attached over the blade and you tighten with a set screw.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 01, 2012, 02:54:58 PM
I just finished delicate surgery to upgrade a red old cross pioneer.  This is my first colored stock anodize mod.  They are much trickier to work with than say silver stock anodize, or my hard anodized scales.  I cant countersink the center hole from the outside as I don't have the benefit of being able to re-anodize.  If I tried to countersink in these scales there would always be some rough edges showing around the screw and to me that's not acceptable.

So to do these type of mods I drill 1/8 from inside the scale in the center hole, careful to not go all the way through, then use smaller head screws from the outside.  It works out perfect, it's just much more fiddly.  Im reminded when I work with stock ones though how much I prefer my redone scales.  I take the time to edge sand the inner edges of the scales that Vic does not and leaves sharp.  That sharp edges is prone to chipping much more than mine does after gentle rounding.

You have to love the look of the old cross though, it's by far my favorite of the alox scales!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom053/IMG_3897.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom053/IMG_3900.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom053/IMG_3891.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom053/IMG_3892.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom053/IMG_3893.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom053/IMG_3895.jpg)

Cheers!
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Post by: Marius on October 01, 2012, 03:17:01 PM
Delicious! :salute:

 :drool:
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Post by: Dexter on October 01, 2012, 04:27:41 PM
Have to agree with you on the old cross style. Love it.  :tu:
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Post by: crackout on October 01, 2012, 04:30:10 PM
Nicely done!
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Post by: nj2656 on October 01, 2012, 09:20:27 PM
Looks great but not your first. My pocket clip Urban was factory black anodized. Every once and awhile I can feel a slight burr but can not see it. No big deal it'll wear off. Anodizing is starting to wear. Can't wait for the blue jean finish.
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Post by: Syph007 on October 01, 2012, 10:54:23 PM
Looks great but not your first. My pocket clip Urban was factory black anodized. Every once and awhile I can feel a slight burr but can not see it. No big deal it'll wear off. Anodizing is starting to wear. Can't wait for the blue jean finish.

Oh you're right I'd forgotten that black alox.  The stock Vic anodize does wear pretty quick compared to the HA stuff.  I have one set of red scales with a ding on the finish Im thinking of sanding the top of them to get them a worn look just for fun.  Noone has carried one of mine long enough yet to get any natural wear.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on October 02, 2012, 01:25:48 AM
That stuff is so hard I don't think my 7 year could wear it out. He can wear ANYTHING out. Recently got an old cross red pioneer. Really like it, and really fighting the urge not to have it modded.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: heardrwt on October 03, 2012, 08:07:40 AM
Just opened up the package containing my Syph007 mod.
It's so awesome!

I've dubbed it the Alox Climber. (Urban pioneer with small blade instead of the Awl.)

Syph007, thanks for all the hard work that went into making it a reality.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 03, 2012, 02:41:27 PM
Just opened up the package containing my Syph007 mod.
It's so awesome!

I've dubbed it the Alox Climber. (Urban pioneer with small blade instead of the Awl.)

Syph007, thanks for all the hard work that went into making it a reality.

Glad it made it to you safe, and I hope it serves you well!  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on October 03, 2012, 05:36:11 PM
Just opened up the package containing my Syph007 mod.
It's so awesome!

I've dubbed it the Alox Climber. (Urban pioneer with small blade instead of the Awl.)

Congrats! I noticed the small blade being mentioned. Spear point, Settler style? Or another small blade? It looks we got at about the same time a similar custom from Robert  :) because I just got also an Urban Pioneer (Pioneer with scissors) with a small spear point blade instead of the awl. Could you or Robert post some pics or links to pics?

Robert, one more BIG thanks to you! :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 03, 2012, 05:51:54 PM
Just opened up the package containing my Syph007 mod.
It's so awesome!

I've dubbed it the Alox Climber. (Urban pioneer with small blade instead of the Awl.)

Congrats! I noticed the small blade being mentioned. Spear point, Settler style? Or another small blade? It looks we got at about the same time a similar custom from Robert  :) because I just got also an Urban Pioneer (Pioneer with scissors) with a small spear point blade instead of the awl. Could you or Robert post some pics or links to pics?

Robert, one more BIG thanks to you! :cheers:

That custom can be found in this album.   :tu:

http://s1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom048/ (http://s1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom048/)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom048/IMG_3854.jpg)
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Post by: Marius on October 03, 2012, 05:56:35 PM
Cool! So is that small blade from a Settler (93mm)? Seems a bit thicker than one from 91 mm like I got. Or is just the thicker spacer? Here:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom048/IMG_3852.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 03, 2012, 06:00:19 PM
Cool! So is that small blade from a Settler (93mm)? Seems a bit thicker than one from 91 mm like I got. Or is just the thicker spacer? Here:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom048/IMG_3852.jpg)

Nope regular pen knife blade from 91mm SAK.  They are 0.015 inches thinner than the awl being replaced and I add a washer of phosphor bronze of that thickness between blade and spacer to compensate.  Same as I did to your mod.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on October 03, 2012, 06:09:02 PM
I was just looking at the thickeness difference between the Settler blade and one from 91 mm.  I wonder if the washer can be skipped with a Settler blade. The profile is exactly the same on both, but thickness is different. It looks 1 mm for 91mm and 1.4 mm (?) for Settler.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 03, 2012, 06:19:42 PM
I was just looking at the thickeness difference between the Settler blade and one from 91 mm.  I wonder if the washer can be skipped with a Settler blade. The profile is exactly the same on both, but thickness is different. It looks 1 mm for 91mm and 1.4 mm (?) for Settler.

Ah, I see.  Is the settler blade the same thickness as the awl then?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on October 03, 2012, 07:26:35 PM
Ah, I see.  Is the settler blade the same thickness as the awl then?

Yup. Would be great to find some donor Settlers for such future mods.. Until then the 91mm pen blade does just fine  :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 04, 2012, 03:50:24 PM
I finished up just a regular urban pioneer this morning... but I still love the look of the red every time I use it.  Nothing like a shiny Vic wearing hard anodized red in the light of the rising sun... :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom054/IMG_3921.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom054/IMG_3919b.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom054/IMG_3921b.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom054/IMG_3924.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Dexter on October 04, 2012, 06:38:05 PM
I finished up just a regular urban pioneer this morning... but I still love the look of the red every time I use it.  Nothing like a shiny Vic wearing hard anodized red in the light of the rising sun... :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom054/IMG_3921.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom054/IMG_3919b.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom054/IMG_3921b.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom054/IMG_3924.jpg)

Beautiful! I must admit my fingers are itching waiting for my custom to materialize... :climber:
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Post by: nuphoria on October 04, 2012, 09:03:59 PM
Sweeeet.... nothing quite like the exact knife you want :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 05, 2012, 11:10:17 PM
A bit of green today, with a pruner blade. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom055/IMG_3936.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom055/IMG_3936b.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom055/IMG_3938.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom055/IMG_3945.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on October 05, 2012, 11:11:22 PM
That's a huge box!
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Post by: Wire Edge on October 05, 2012, 11:57:24 PM
That looks awesome!  Great work
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Post by: Dexter on October 06, 2012, 08:31:43 AM
 :drool:
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Post by: nuphoria on October 06, 2012, 01:44:48 PM
My last minute decision to have a red mod instead of green, now means that I shall simply have to have another :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 17, 2012, 02:23:59 AM
I finished up another full Ti conversion today.  This one didnt take me as long as the first, but it still is quite a bit of work to hand sand all the Ti parts.   :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom060/IMG_4180.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom060/IMG_4186.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom060/IMG_4190.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom060/IMG_4193.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom060/IMG_4196.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on October 17, 2012, 03:10:36 AM
excellent work syph!! very shiny i like that!  :D   ooo and nice pics  :salute:
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Post by: nuphoria on October 17, 2012, 03:13:12 AM
:drool:
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Post by: Chaka on October 17, 2012, 03:16:54 AM
WOW!!!

Nice work.

Where did you find those screws and the posts?

Sent from my GT-S5830i using Tapatalk 2
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 17, 2012, 05:40:59 PM
Thing of beauty :tu: JR
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Post by: crackout on October 17, 2012, 05:43:48 PM
Call me picky, but the liners look a little bit too small for the custom spring. :angel:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 17, 2012, 07:29:16 PM
Call me picky, but the liners look a little bit too small for the custom spring. :angel:

It looks more pronounced in the photos than real life.  The difference is the cad file I gave the waterjet guy who cut the liners for me, was exactly the right size, but the waterjet did not make a perfectly perpendicular cut.  It kind of blows out the back.  Entry hole is one kerf, and the exit is much wider.  This is normal, but I did not know this at the time.  The next run I will adjust the file size to account for the angle.  Its a learning process, but eventually when I get a CNC up and running, I will be cutting all my own parts and not relying on a 3rd party.  Then a heat treat oven and I can do anything I need to at that point, like cut my own tools and heat treat them.  Make any sort of blade or tool I can think up :D
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Post by: crackout on October 17, 2012, 08:52:35 PM
I'll be waiting! :D
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Post by: Syph007 on October 19, 2012, 04:28:00 PM
I finally got a mod request needing pliers so I got to deploy my custom spring for that.  I basically ground the profile to match that of the farmer saw backspring, and it worked out just perfect.  I had to also of course shape the pliers to fit, but that is needed with the dual saw back spring approach as well.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom061/IMG_4209.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom061/IMG_4211.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom061/IMG_4251.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom061/IMG_4237.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom061/IMG_4213.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on October 19, 2012, 04:31:21 PM
Slick!
But who orders a beefy plier knife with the Cinderella combo tool? :whistle:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 22, 2012, 03:31:34 AM
Here was a fun one for me to figure out.  The customer wanted the philips added, but not to lose any other tools.  I added a second opener layer spring so the can opener and bottle opener each had there own spring, but shared it for the philips.  It turned out beautifully and has the added side benefit of giving the philips more space which prevents it from hitting and chipping the scale.

Both nail nicks are perfectly accessible, no problem getting the bottle opener out.  This was the best configuration to choose as the can opener works best being nearest the outside.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom062/IMG_4264.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom062/IMG_4267.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom062/IMG_4270.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom062/IMG_4271.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom062/IMG_4274.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom062/IMG_4274b.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom062/IMG_4279.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom062/IMG_4284.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom062/IMG_4292.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on October 22, 2012, 04:01:10 AM
Great thinking there :salute:
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Post by: clickstop on October 22, 2012, 05:13:31 AM
Now THAT is genius. I've never even seen that done before, great work!!!
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Post by: Sparky415 on October 22, 2012, 10:12:19 AM


 :drool: :drool: :drool:

There is so much great work in this thread  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on October 22, 2012, 12:03:57 PM
Is there a washer between the openers? Now that I think of it, the springs wouldn't be wide enough then. :angel:

Nice job!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on October 22, 2012, 12:50:01 PM
That last one is brilliant!
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Post by: ironraven on October 23, 2012, 01:28:20 AM
Dayum! That is slick, and a near perfect EDC item.

Dare I ask what this brave customer is paying for it?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on October 23, 2012, 11:25:25 AM
Lovely stuff guys - nowhere near running out of ideas yet! :D
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Post by: Dexter on October 23, 2012, 03:33:30 PM
That has to be the best 3 layer SAK! Does the phillips driver need a spacer or shim, or does it match the thickness of the other 2 drivers?  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 23, 2012, 03:43:15 PM
That has to be the best 3 layer SAK! Does the phillips driver need a spacer or shim, or does it match the thickness of the other 2 drivers?  :think:

It does need a spacer on each side yes.  I dont know if it counts for a 3 layer, maybe its a 3.5 layer...  :think:

It works out well though because without the extra space the philips can hit the scale and start chipping it.
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Post by: WiSAKfan on October 23, 2012, 04:29:25 PM
that black one is amazing

great idea on doubling those up like that

i bow to you
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Post by: WiSAKfan on October 23, 2012, 04:32:56 PM
if possible could you take a looking down on tools shot from above on the red knife with pliers/knife combo?

thank you
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 23, 2012, 04:53:48 PM
if possible could you take a looking down on tools shot from above on the red knife with pliers/knife combo?

thank you

I would but that SAK is gone to it's new owner.  I put the tools in that configuration as it is the only way to fit them together.  Pliers can't go up against a scale without adding additional spacing.  If the go against the blade layer they must open opposite the blade or they block the nail nick.
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Post by: WiSAKfan on October 23, 2012, 05:03:00 PM
i get it now, thanks.

and thanks for the inspiration, you do wonderful work sir
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Post by: Syph007 on October 25, 2012, 04:53:51 AM
Yes the crazy mod fest continues! 

I'm still working through a back log of custom requests. I've only been posting ones that were different than standard ones to this thread though.  I didn't see the point in posting a bunch of the same mods.

I said I wouldn't go above 4 layers, but I did anyway. :D  I've been calling this a big boy farmer.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom063/IMG_4325.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom063/IMG_4317.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom063/IMG_4332.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom063/IMG_4321.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom063/IMG_4315.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom063/IMG_4314.jpg)

I put both saws in the same layer since it seemed silly to put a spacer between two such thin layers.  It works fine so I'm happy.  There is a 0.005 phosphor bronze washer between the tools though.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom063/IMG_4330.jpg)

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 25, 2012, 08:16:51 PM
Yes the crazy mod fest continues! 

I'm still working through a back log of custom requests. I've only been posting ones that were different than standard ones to this thread though.  I didn't see the point in posting a bunch of the same mods.

I said I wouldn't go above 4 layers, but I did anyway. :D  I've been calling this a big boy farmer.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom063/IMG_4325.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom063/IMG_4317.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom063/IMG_4332.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom063/IMG_4321.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom063/IMG_4315.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom063/IMG_4314.jpg)

I put both saws in the same layer since it seemed silly to put a spacer between two such thin layers.  It works fine so I'm happy.  There is a 0.005 phosphor bronze washer between the tools though.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom063/IMG_4330.jpg)

Cheers!
Nice job! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Pignut71 on October 26, 2012, 12:17:54 AM
That Sir, is a lovely tool!  :drool:

Keep them pictures coming, especially some Bantam / Cadet's. really tempted by a cadet with scissors in black or green or maybe blue???  :think:

Regards, Jon.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 26, 2012, 12:22:36 AM
That Sir, is a lovely tool!  :drool:

Keep them pictures coming, especially some Bantam / Cadet's. really tempted by a cadet with scissors in black or green or maybe blue???  :think:

Regards, Jon.

Ive only got red cadet scales left, but I bought 6 bantams that are going to blue anodize next week, when I do my blue HA3 run.  :D 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 27, 2012, 08:21:37 PM
The Phillips driver opposite the two opener tools in one layer is quickly becoming the newest popular request.  I really like it.  Here it is again in green scales and c260 cartridge brass liners.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom064/IMG_4345.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom064/IMG_4343.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom064/IMG_4337.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom064/IMG_4336.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom064/IMG_4335.jpg)

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Pignut71 on October 27, 2012, 10:36:04 PM
Wow, another stunner!

Is this mod possible with something else instead of the awl? Maybe a small blade? Anything else?

Regards, Jon.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 27, 2012, 11:33:27 PM
Wow, another stunner!

Is this mod possible with something else instead of the awl? Maybe a small blade? Anything else?

Regards, Jon.
thats what I said, I think the small nail file would be perfect! JR
Great job, keep it up!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on October 28, 2012, 12:06:59 AM
Wow, another stunner!

Is this mod possible with something else instead of the awl? Maybe a small blade? Anything else?

Regards, Jon.
thats what I said, I think the small nail file would be perfect! JR
Great job, keep it up!!

It's possible with anything that's available in single layered SAKs.

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+93mm+1+Layer+Models (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+93mm+1+Layer+Models)

The electricians blade would be easiest to get from a Pioneer Apprentice. The small nail file isn't that easy as no 91 or 93 mm SAK has them and the one from 84mm SAKs sits too low. Maybe the one from a 85mm Wenger would work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 28, 2012, 12:43:23 AM
Oh for sure ya, any of the small blades would fit in the awl spot, electrician, pruner or small spear point.  I 'think' i could put a cadet nail file on if I used my custom spring so I could make the spring end thicker.  It sits too low if I use a regular blade spring.  Well it works, but the nail nick is partially hidden, same thing if I try an 84mm combo tool there.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 28, 2012, 04:02:50 AM
Oh for sure ya, any of the small blades would fit in the awl spot, electrician, pruner or small spear point.  I 'think' i could put a cadet nail file on if I used my custom spring so I could make the spring end thicker.  It sits too low if I use a regular blade spring.  Well it works, but the nail nick is partially hidden, same thing if I try an 84mm combo tool there.
So if you used one of your custom springs would it rise the nail nick higher then the scale? If so that would be a perfect combo! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 28, 2012, 05:53:07 AM
Oh for sure ya, any of the small blades would fit in the awl spot, electrician, pruner or small spear point.  I 'think' i could put a cadet nail file on if I used my custom spring so I could make the spring end thicker.  It sits too low if I use a regular blade spring.  Well it works, but the nail nick is partially hidden, same thing if I try an 84mm combo tool there.
So if you used one of your custom springs would it rise the nail nick higher then the scale? If so that would be a perfect combo! JR

Yep I think so at least.  I was going to try it to be able to use combo tools from 84s, so it would work for the nail file too, I just have to try it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 28, 2012, 06:37:56 AM
Oh for sure ya, any of the small blades would fit in the awl spot, electrician, pruner or small spear point.  I 'think' i could put a cadet nail file on if I used my custom spring so I could make the spring end thicker.  It sits too low if I use a regular blade spring.  Well it works, but the nail nick is partially hidden, same thing if I try an 84mm combo tool there.
So if you used one of your custom springs would it rise the nail nick higher then the scale? If so that would be a perfect combo! JR

Yep I think so at least.  I was going to try it to be able to use combo tools from 84s, so it would work for the nail file too, I just have to try it.
Kool can't wait to see, fingers crossed! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Singh on October 28, 2012, 05:18:18 PM
another lovely job.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on October 28, 2012, 05:30:59 PM
I always wondered, why torx screws? I know a lot of knifemakers use it but wouldn't a phillips or flat head screwdriver be more easily serviceable? I mean you could tighten a SAK with a SAK :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 28, 2012, 05:48:06 PM
I always wondered, why torx screws? I know a lot of knifemakers use it but wouldn't a phillips or flat head screwdriver be more easily serviceable? I mean you could tighten a SAK with a SAK :ahhh

I think both looks, and that you can get more torque on a torx. For a pattern of the same radius, you hve 6 points of contact vs 4.  I like the look of the torx over philips too.  Other than that the most plain answer is that, that is what all the knife supply stores sell... so thats what i use. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on October 28, 2012, 07:09:49 PM
I always wondered, why torx screws? I know a lot of knifemakers use it but wouldn't a phillips or flat head screwdriver be more easily serviceable? I mean you could tighten a SAK with a SAK :ahhh

I think both looks, and that you can get more torque on a torx. For a pattern of the same radius, you hve 6 points of contact vs 4.  I like the look of the torx over philips too.  Other than that the most plain answer is that, that is what all the knife supply stores sell... so thats what i use. :D

I thought it was something like that. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 29, 2012, 02:41:19 AM
Today's project was a simple two layer. Pruner/blade with scissors.  It's a nice little knife. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom065/IMG_4357b.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom065/IMG_4349.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom065/IMG_4354.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom065/IMG_4360.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 29, 2012, 04:33:24 AM
I always wondered, why torx screws? I know a lot of knifemakers use it but wouldn't a phillips or flat head screwdriver be more easily serviceable? I mean you could tighten a SAK with a SAK :ahhh

I think both looks, and that you can get more torque on a torx. For a pattern of the same radius, you hve 6 points of contact vs 4.  I like the look of the torx over philips too.  Other than that the most plain answer is that, that is what all the knife supply stores sell... so thats what i use. :D

I thought it was something like that. :D
Be even better if they were titanium! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on October 29, 2012, 01:08:49 PM
May Syph lead me not in to temptation....


Yeah, right ::)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gustophersmob on October 29, 2012, 05:56:23 PM
The idea of putting the Philips opposite of the openers is truly genius.  :salute:

Question, though, it looks as though there has to be a layer between them and the blade layer to access the bottle opener nail nick.  Is this correct?  If so, does it have to be scissors, or would a wood saw still allow access to the bottle opener nick.

I'm also curious, does not having the bottle opener up against the liner make it weaker?  As in, it would take less prying force to make something break?

I've got the mod lust a-brewin'   :drool: :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 29, 2012, 06:58:09 PM
The idea of putting the Philips opposite of the openers is truly genius.  :salute:

Question, though, it looks as though there has to be a layer between them and the blade layer to access the bottle opener nail nick.  Is this correct?  If so, does it have to be scissors, or would a wood saw still allow access to the bottle opener nick.

I'm also curious, does not having the bottle opener up against the liner make it weaker?  As in, it would take less prying force to make something break?

I've got the mod lust a-brewin'   :drool: :gimme:

No the nail nick sticks up high enough it shouldn't matter what the middle layer is, a saw should work fine.

I would think it would be stronger this way.  The prying tool between a liner and a steel tool, instead of a liner and a soft aluminum scale.  The steel pivots I use are stronger than brass as well.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 29, 2012, 08:52:22 PM
Someone is trusting me to work on a marlin spike mod! :D  :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom067/IMG_4361.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on October 29, 2012, 10:04:03 PM
Someone is trusting me to work on a marlin spike mod! :D  :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom067/IMG_4361.jpg)
I mean no offense to your genius work but I personally prefer rivets.  In my past, I've had problems with screws backing out of knives becomming lost.  This is, of course, I were provided with an extra set of torx screws...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 30, 2012, 12:50:34 AM
Ive done a few rivet jobs and they are ok, but I really like to be able to take knives apart to clean them proper, thats the biggest advantage for me.  As far as screws backing out, no chance with red loctite.  They dont move unless you want them too.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 31, 2012, 07:39:13 PM
Here is the marlin spike mod all done up with brass liners and a scissors layer added.  I still love brass every time I use it.  I think it has a warm look and just a touch of color.

This is the first time I ever put an awl in place of the can opener, but the customer wanted the awl still.  At first I thought it wasn't going to work as it hit the cap lifter, but I ended up bending the cap lifter the other way, so the opposite side is flat.  Usually the normal flat side being flat up against the scale, but in the way of the awl.  I didn't think it would bend nicely, but it did after all and it fits perfect.  That was a pleasant surprise, as my first mod attempt was to shorten and regrind the awl, but it looked awful so I needed a plan B.

Cheers

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom067/IMG_4363.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom067/IMG_4367.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom067/IMG_4369.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom067/IMG_4371.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom067/IMG_4376.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom067/IMG_4380.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom067/IMG_4388.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 31, 2012, 09:15:53 PM
Nice job, love it  :tu: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sparky415 on October 31, 2012, 09:48:54 PM
Very nice and I love the brass with the green  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on October 31, 2012, 10:07:43 PM
beautifull color!! good work!  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on November 01, 2012, 12:45:05 AM
May Syph lead me not in to temptation....


Yeah, right ::)

Right?

I tend to only look in on this thread once a week or so otherwise I'd be sending all sorts of SAKS in for mods,  (and be living in a cardboard dryer box... ::))
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MultiMat on November 01, 2012, 07:41:21 AM
Marlin spike + awl  :o that is some serious poking hardware  :D :D :D.

Looks nice , I do like GREEN SAKs + the brass= 8) 8) :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Dexter on November 01, 2012, 08:06:27 AM
Stunning! Love the green color... :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cyclone82 on November 01, 2012, 08:23:12 AM
This thread has left me almost speechless, i tried to read most of it. Amazing stuff, well done!!!!!!!! I actually thought of the mod to use torx screws for modding alox last year as I had never seen anyone else try it and was not a fan of non factory peening. I hunted around for some tiny torx screws but it all got a bit too hard and then never did anymore on it. I don’t know where you find all your alox knives. Every site I go to says out of stock. Maybe you have been buying them all up LOL. I think I will can my idea of doing the mods my self and just get you to make me one. So hard to decided what to get though, but if I had to choose one, it would have to be HA red scales but I would like to provide my own from a soldier.

I have some questions

1 – how is the red HA holding up? Have you tried to mark it with something? I was always put off by red scales for EDC as I would be so paranoid about marking them and really get paranoid and have to baby it.
Would a 30cm drop onto concrete mark it? I am guessing other pocket tools would not mark the HA red either? Like others here, this is the FIRST time I have ever heard of hard anodizing in anything other than black/grey and olive military colour.

2 – how are the custom back springs holding up long term? Are they as good as the vics? Not loosing tension at all?

3 – I cant really decide on brass or TI liners. Everything tells me to go TI for lighness but brass looks cool.
Whats the weight difference? I figure brass would be better as a natural bearing surface.

4 – Can you please tell me how thick a 93mm alox would be with

Saw
Pliers
Scissors
Metal/wood file
Wood saw
Main blade/awl
Inline Phillips with can opener and cap lifter doubled up on the otherside. I like this idea  best as it looked like the Phillips may have been hitting the scales in the closed position like you said.

What is the best Phillips driver to use? I have already got 2 from 2 new old style explorers with the grey magnifiying glass. Is this the longer/better Phillips? Will it work opposite the can and cap openers or do I need the new style Phillips that goes opposite the modern all clear magnifying glass?

I think that’s all the tools, how ever I am also considering another layer possibly. Even if I don’t like the thickness I could always take the saw/file layers out maybe and have some spare shorter pins on hand too.

Because of the thickness/weight, would that need a stronger/thicker key ring tab? Would same thickness in TI be fine?

Another though, would it be possible to add the 91mm back spring phillips? i realise cutting the alox would be needed if its do-able.

Anyway I will have to start collecting the parts to send to you to do it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 01, 2012, 02:16:24 PM

I have some questions


For where I buy alox, always from Tim (Felinevet).  I just ordered another 10 pack of pioneers from him.  He's the best guy to buy alox from.  Knowledgeable, courteous and a nice guy.  I always check with him to see if he has the cellidor stuff I look for too, mostly compacts lately and swiss champs for donor parts.  If he doesnt have them I order from another Vic dealer I made friends with.  This guy engraves blades, so I've been able to buy up his messed up swiss champs at a bargain that had bad engraving on the blades.  The blades have no value to me for mod parts so its a nice system for me to get lots of goodies like new scissors/pliers/saws etc. :D

The red (and all colors) of HAIII I do hold up ridiculously well.  I dont think we'll ever see a syph pocket worn scale as it just wont happen unless you carry a pocket full of metal harder than 55 RC.  Stock anodizing (35 RC) is so fragile next to this stuff.  Half of the factory colored SAKs I break down come with the anodizing already chipping off the edges, I actually sand the sharp parts off the scales before re-andodize to avoid this possibility.  I was skeptical at first, but the guy that does the anodize for me, said that there are newer processes that let you do colors other than green and black.  He is right since I see HAIII colored flashlights and other goods now, that I didnt before.  The only damage Ive ever done to one of my scales was intentional and done with a file.  I tested a bunch of coins and dremel tools by rubbing against the scales and they have always yielded by being scratched themselves, instead of scratching the scales.

The custom backsprings should hold up fine.  I cant say that 100% obviously since ive only been selling them a few months, but they are almost exactly the same metal composition as stock Vic ones (one grade higher actually) and the same RC hardness value of 48.  I can tell you that they will not break.  I tested this by clamping one in a vice and beating it hard with a hammer.. it bent 90 degress just like a test I did with a stock vic spring (older vic springs WILL snap though), and did not break.  So its really a factor of whether it will lose tension over time, and that one is for time to tell. But it is worlds better than using other methods to get scissors on an alox frame in my opinion.

Brass works better for liners than Ti as it isnt a 'sticky' metal like Ti is.  On such a thin part weight makes little difference really.  I do have an idea in the works to solve the sticky Ti issue, but Im keeping that secret until I can prove to myself it actually works.  I could add washers to each layer, but i never liked the idea as then you get backspring gaps.

If you go above 4 layers alox, it does start to get heavy, so dont expect to pocket carry it without knowing it's there.  You want the modern shorter philips to put on this frame, better steel in that part and the older style is too long to fit with the openers in one layer.

When Im in the shop tonight I'll measure up all the tools you listed and let you know how wide that will be, but it will be pretty beefy for sure.

Cheers, and thanks for the interest!

Edit: Forgot your question about the keyring nub.  A Ti one would be strong enough yes, but for one that many layers we might want to add a nub directly to one of the springs instead, like the larger Vics do.  Ive been wanting to try that too.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WiSAKfan on November 01, 2012, 02:37:37 PM
you can use the longer phillips but it will sit on the opener and you will have to open it to open opener

or send them to me if you aren't going to use them!  :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 01, 2012, 02:54:58 PM
Ha, this was serendipitous timing lol.  The tool I ordered just arrived at my door after my last post.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_4440.jpg)

This is a carbidizer!  Sacrificial carbide rod on an engraver bascially.  This will allow me to deposit a carbide layer to any surface on Ti or steel.  The carbide is 72 RC, so it is very tough stuff. There are a few experiments I have in mind with this.

1.  Carbidize circles on my Ti liners and scales to see if that smooths up the stickiness feel of steel on Ti.

2.  Make a Ti SAK half length blade, chisel ground one side carbidized.  Why? This basically turns a weak 50 RC Ti blade into a self sharpening box cutter.  It works like a beaver tooth, the soft Ti wears away on the non carbidized side, while the hard 72 RC thin layer on the other side continually gets exposed to do the cutting.  So for tasks like box cutting, it should never dull and actually sharpen as you go.  I dont think it would be as sharp as a standard blade, but I dont really know, hence the experimenting part.

3.  I can't take credit for this idea, it was Bushidos.  But I gotta try it.  Cut Ti springs for backsprings on SAKs, and carbidize the ends where the tools would rub, so they dont stick or wear the Ti.  The springs on alox are actually a significant part of the weight, so if I made Ti ones, they would be lighter AND it lets me skip the heat treating part of working with 440c as Ti is already naturally a good spring!

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WiSAKfan on November 01, 2012, 03:21:10 PM
NICE!!!!

number two sounds awesome and i want one already, sized like electricians blade that can fit in the small knife position!

or could you just do it do a electricians blade?  that's chisel ground already right?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 01, 2012, 05:28:50 PM
NICE!!!!

number two sounds awesome and i want one already, sized like electricians blade that can fit in the small knife position!

or could you just do it do a electricians blade?  that's chisel ground already right?

An electrician style blade was exactly what I had in mind!  Well without that semi circle cutout part, just a short sheepsfoot basically.  I still have to learn how to make the nail nicks, but Im getting there slowly.  Someday I hope to be a proper knife maker, making my own pocket multitools from scratch.

If things go well next week I am planning my first big tool purchase... a Sieg SX3 mill! :D

(http://www.sieg.co.za/images/SX3%20cutout.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on November 01, 2012, 08:54:14 PM
 :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 03, 2012, 02:36:35 AM
Yo man!  I knew eventually someone would ask for the yeoman tools in alox.  This thing looks good in red and black.  The nice part is the philips seats in just exactly where there is a little gap in the scissors where their pivot is.

I thinned the mag glass bezel all the way around with some gentle sanding and it seats well enough I think.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom070/IMG_4462.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom070/IMG_4463.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom070/IMG_4465.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom070/IMG_4478.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom070/IMG_4483.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom070/IMG_4466.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom070/IMG_4470.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom070/IMG_4472.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Dr Gonzo on November 03, 2012, 03:04:16 AM
Yo man!  I knew eventually someone would ask for the yeoman tools in alox.  This thing looks good in red and black.  The nice part is the philips seats in just exactly where there is a little gap in the scissors where their pivot is.

I thinned the mag glass bezel all the way around with some gentle sanding and it seats well enough I think.
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom070/IMG_4478.jpg)

Amazing work man :salute:

I need an Alox model of yours 8)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WiSAKfan on November 03, 2012, 03:11:16 AM
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""the nice part is the philips seats in just exactly where there is a little gap in the scissors where their pivot is. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""'

that is nice isn't it?  like it was made that way

excellent work, i see you put the inline philips layer in the middle like you suggested, looks great.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 03, 2012, 03:14:22 AM
Ya I think the phillips in the center makes the most sense, especially for alox. Otherwise the phillips will hit and eventually chip the scales.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cyclone82 on November 03, 2012, 08:48:18 AM
Thanks for your replies. I have stuff from Tim before, mainly hard to get SAKS but never thought to get every day common ones from him.

That’s good news on the HA red and back springs. I was looking at the stock 91mm liners and the 93mm liners and the 93mm look thinner, so although brass may be heavier, they are thinner than the 91mm and it all would sort of even out and not weigh too much more or be about the same anyway (I am guessing a little)

The weight of a 91mm craftsman is ok for me I find and I like the tools. If I could get about the same but in alox I would be real happy. I tried to do some rough calculations and I think the tools I would want would create an alox narrower than the craftsman which is just under 27mm. I was basing liner thickness measurment on 0.5mm. is this correct? if i could know the thickness of the brass liners and the alox scales i can at least work out the total thickness more accurately to decide what i want.

I specifically got the older explorers with the longer phillips as I thought that was the one to use for alox mods, but now I will just need to get the newer one.

I often wonder if the older 80’s SAKs used better steels or the newer ones. I was consiering using openers and blades from some older Soldiers I have as they are un polished tools and even thicker than regular 91mm alox tools.

Earlier in the thread, there was some concern that drilling the tools to 1/8" was a bit iffy and leaves not much metal left. Has this been confirmed as nothing to worry about now? I know one member has gone to to trouble to make 3mm pivots.

After more though, I don’t think I need to bother with trying to have a backspring 91mm phillips on a 93mm even though it’s a better driver. I just though it would be nice to have the 2.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on November 03, 2012, 11:21:14 AM
You used your custom spring for the mag/phillips layer?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 03, 2012, 12:30:02 PM
You used your custom spring for the mag/phillips layer?

I had a spare blade spring and used that, but I think my custom one would have worked fine as well.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 09, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
Another marlin spike victim!  This is the second of this 100 run series I've cracked open now.. none are safe!!!  This one is turning into a 4 layer with pliers added.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom073/IMG_4518.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: marcel.reijerse on November 10, 2012, 12:40:29 AM
Another marlin spike victim!  This is the second of this 100 run series I've cracked open now.. none are safe!!!  This one is turning into a 4 layer with pliers added.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom073/IMG_4518.jpg)

Wow, that looks like my dream SAK! I received my own Marlinspike rancher yesterday, but that one looks even better.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: El Rago on November 10, 2012, 10:26:23 AM
you know Syph, some would say you are sacrilegous...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on November 10, 2012, 10:54:01 AM
He's a cold blooded modder, no questions asked. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 10, 2012, 12:52:33 PM
you know Syph, some would say you are sacrilegous...

Oh Im sure collectors would feel that way.  To me they are just parts.  Ironically I'd value a 'limited edition' one lower than normal since the blades are marked up with the special numbers.  It wouldnt be an issue if Victorinox didnt discontinue all the cool alox models. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: El Rago on November 10, 2012, 08:30:10 PM
I totaly agree Syph, I have done my share of "sacrileges" as well.

btw, doesnt the Marlin have one of the poorest tool layouts of the alox line?

I do respect your work, not only b/c the profesionality of it, but also, b/c it is ppl like you who make the alox line more useful. I never considered an alox, partly b/c of that.

now, if I only could get more money, I would line my pockets with alox, hehe.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 11, 2012, 08:19:21 PM
This one fought me hard but I got it together finally!  The spring force when you go this thick is very noticeable when trying to build the layers and it's not that fun.  I love how the final mod looks though, its a beauty!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom073/IMG_4520.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom073/IMG_4524.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom073/IMG_4526.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom073/IMG_4528.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom073/IMG_4530.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom073/IMG_4533.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom073/IMG_4537.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Pignut71 on November 11, 2012, 09:16:07 PM
Well, whilst I don't understand the popularity of the Marlin I've got to say that looks absolutely Fab!!

Another great mod Syph. One day I will make a decision what I want and ask you to build me one of your SAK's.

Atn, Jon.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on November 11, 2012, 09:42:20 PM
Nicely done as usual!  :D JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on November 11, 2012, 11:01:44 PM
Like the green and brass.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on November 12, 2012, 03:28:35 AM
Hey Syph. Sorry I've been offline for so long but I've been monitoring your progress without being able to sign in and I'm blown away by your progress. That trick with both openers opposite the inline phillips is pure genius. Can't believe I didn't think of that one. The marlinspike mods are pretty awesome too. Makes me want to take up fishing again just so I can use one.

Glad the springs are working out for you. I just got around to finishing up my first 2 and getting them into some long overdue 93 mods and they do seem spot on. Hopefully I'll be settled in for good this time and we can get back to having more parts cut.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on November 12, 2012, 05:22:37 AM
beautifull colour combination syph! a very pretty knife
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WiSAKfan on November 12, 2012, 05:41:15 AM
That trick with both openers opposite the inline phillips is pure genius.

it sure is

props
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sir_mike on November 12, 2012, 05:42:24 AM
Not trying to hijack the thread but can anyone point me to a current list of alox sak's that are available to purchase?

I have done alot of searching but havent uncovered any kind of current list of what is being produced.

Thx. I appreciate the help. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on November 12, 2012, 11:00:24 AM
Not trying to hijack the thread but can anyone point me to a current list of alox sak's that are available to purchase?

I have done alot of searching but havent uncovered any kind of current list of what is being produced.

Thx. I appreciate the help. :D

http://www.victorinox.com/ch/content/catalog_SAK/category/1?lang=en& (http://www.victorinox.com/ch/content/catalog_SAK/category/1?lang=en&)

I believe this is latest one. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong. :angel:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 12, 2012, 01:00:03 PM
you know Syph, some would say you are sacrilegous...

Oh Im sure collectors would feel that way.  To me they are just parts.  Ironically I'd value a 'limited edition' one lower than normal since the blades are marked up with the special numbers.   It wouldnt be an issue if Victorinox didnt discontinue all the cool alox models.

I'd agree with that too. The numbering takes away from the tool rather than adds to it in my opinion, but I can appreciate the appeal for others. Great work on that one by the way - the brass liners really set it off :tu: If the marlin spike wasn't so rare and pricey I'd like to have a play with one for a bit.

I've had a boat for nearly 12 years, and never used a marlin spike for splicing (never spliced a rope either), but I do like having a general purpose pokey thing to save making a mess of other tools. I don't like the ones on the 111mm line though  :-\
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on November 12, 2012, 04:54:05 PM
Numbers don't do much for me either - to be honest, the most exciting Alox knives out there for me, are the awesome mods you guys are turning out :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sir_mike on November 12, 2012, 05:20:11 PM
Numbers don't do much for me either - to be honest, the most exciting Alox knives out there for me, are the awesome mods you guys are turning out :tu:

Man, I couldnt agree more with that!  I just wish my paypal acct had alot more $$$ in it! :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Pignut71 on November 12, 2012, 11:16:47 PM
- to be honest, the most exciting Alox knives out there for me, are the awesome mods you guys are turning out :tu:

Spot on there  :tu:

Regards, Jon.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on November 13, 2012, 02:28:58 AM
I bought one of the chocolate brown Alox Pioneers (#/50) and don't much care for the # on the blade either.  I would be even happier with no number and the knowledge that only 50 were made.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on November 13, 2012, 11:08:06 AM
Like the green and brass.

+1 That's a very nice combination.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 14, 2012, 09:02:13 PM
Here's another compact with pliers (compact mechanic?), green scales and liners.  :D

I'm getting faster at knocking these things out!  ;)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom074/IMG_4556.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom074/IMG_4564.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom074/IMG_4570.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 15, 2012, 08:37:47 PM
Just picked up some more scales, I've been out of blue for awhile now.  The experiment with hard anodizing liners was a success, so I've been throwing some of those in each batch I run.  I will do a lot more for black and red since those have become popular requests.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_4580.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_4590.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on November 15, 2012, 09:03:23 PM
Just picked up some more scales, I've been out of blue for awhile now.  The experiment with hard anodizing liners was a success, so I've been throwing some of those in each batch I run.  I will do a lot more for black and red since those have become popular requests.
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_4590.jpg)

Is it just me or are the new scales a darker shade of blue than the first run?

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom011/IMG_2413.jpg)



Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 15, 2012, 09:11:45 PM
Yep a little bit.  Each run of red was a slightly diff shade too.  Its only noticable if you compare them side by side though.  But if I was to mix and match from different runs on the same SAK it would probably look weird.

That idea you had about black scales and red liners was a big hit.. :D  People keep asking for those.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on November 16, 2012, 12:02:33 AM
Perrrty, i likes.. JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bushidomosquito on November 16, 2012, 12:19:34 AM
Cool! That was fast. Hey Waterlander, there's the 58mm scales for your Rambler. Take good care of it. It's the only HA 58 that'll ever be made unless somebody else picks up on doing them.

And since somebody's bound to ask, the 93 backscale that has the cutout is for a 91mm backtool Phillips that I adapted to fold into the cutout like how the marlinspike does. I got it fitted in and snapping right long ago and just got around to sending the scales in for HA with a few others. We'll see how that one turns out.

I'm more excited about building a full set of Syph colored scale 93s for my collection than I was about the original titanium ones.  :D
Title: Re: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on November 16, 2012, 01:16:24 AM
Yep a little bit.  Each run of red was a slightly diff shade too.  Its only noticable if you compare them side by side though.  But if I was to mix and match from different runs on the same SAK it would probably look weird.

That idea you had about black scales and red liners was a big hit.. :D  People keep asking for those.

I like the darker shade of blue better. :tu:

I'm glad the colour combo is liked. It's my favourite colour combination. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 18, 2012, 08:55:09 PM
Im loving this shade of blue!  Old cross electric blue super electrician!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom076/IMG_4601.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom076/IMG_4603.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom076/IMG_4604.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom076/IMG_4607.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom076/IMG_4609.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom076/IMG_4618.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom076/IMG_4622.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom076/IMG_4627.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on November 18, 2012, 09:14:11 PM
5 layers! What a brick! :D
How thick can you make those with your barrels?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 18, 2012, 09:19:26 PM
5 layers! What a brick! :D
How thick can you make those with your barrels?

No limit! Only one's willingness to carry a large amount of steel.  I haven't gone past 5 layers though.  The liners begin to be a key support system though with this much spring force.  Its a real pain to get the last scale snapped into place.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on November 18, 2012, 09:21:02 PM
So you connect two barrels with an inside screw?
Not sure if you understood my point.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 18, 2012, 10:09:44 PM
So you connect two barrels with an inside screw?


I use extra long screws that will go through a half a barrel and into a second.  Make sense?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on November 18, 2012, 10:10:38 PM
Yep, are the screws hardened then?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 18, 2012, 10:41:08 PM
Most screws normally are heat treated.  There is almost no force on the joint though, its all shear force on the pivot, and the splice goes in the middle of a big spring, usually the scissors, or if there are pliers I put it there.  This is no tensile force on the pivot or joint at all.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on November 21, 2012, 05:54:23 PM
5 layers! What a brick! :D

I have this blue Super Electrician in my hands (thanks, Robert!) and I do not find it to be a brick of a SAK after all. It is about the same thickness like a Hardwood Huntsman (91mm) and significantly thinner than a cellidor Craftsman, for example. Weight is also less than a regular SwissChamp.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on November 21, 2012, 06:45:05 PM
5 layers! What a brick! :D

I have this blue Super Electrician in my hands (thanks, Robert!) and I do not find it to be a brick of a SAK after all. It is about the same thickness like a Hardwood Huntsman (91mm) and significantly thinner than a cellidor Craftsman, for example. Weight is also less than a regular SwissChamp.

 :cheers:

Here's a photo of said Huntsman alongside the Super Electrician:

More photos to come in the Swiss forum.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on November 21, 2012, 06:49:31 PM
I was not referring to SwissChamps when I called it bricky. :P
I made a Farmer with scissors and it's really at the limit for EDC.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on November 21, 2012, 07:44:29 PM
EDC limits are different for each person. I have no problems carring this blue oversized Electrician in my pocket. In fact, just did that ::)

Also, my EDC was for many years a SwissChamp where again I had no problems having that in the pocket.


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 21, 2012, 08:18:53 PM
I still pocket EDC a cybertool 34 on a lanyard attached to belt.. I never notice it there or maybe Im used to it.

The only way to lighten up the wide alox models is to drop the heavy steel springs for Ti ones, but that's another project that I cant do yet.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on November 21, 2012, 09:43:27 PM
5 layers! What a brick! :D

I have this blue Super Electrician in my hands (thanks, Robert!) and I do not find it to be a brick of a SAK after all. It is about the same thickness like a Hardwood Huntsman (91mm) and significantly thinner than a cellidor Craftsman, for example. Weight is also less than a regular SwissChamp.

 :cheers:

Here's a photo of said Huntsman alongside the Super Electrician:

More photos to come in the Swiss forum.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=40946;image)

I notice you added back a liner between the file and the saw. I know that wasn't done on the previous file/saw setup. Was that by request or did the lack of liner cause some rubbing issues or lack of stability?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on November 21, 2012, 10:08:59 PM
5 layers! What a brick! :D

I have this blue Super Electrician in my hands (thanks, Robert!) and I do not find it to be a brick of a SAK after all. It is about the same thickness like a Hardwood Huntsman (91mm) and significantly thinner than a cellidor Craftsman, for example. Weight is also less than a regular SwissChamp.

 :cheers:

Here's a photo of said Huntsman alongside the Super Electrician:

More photos to come in the Swiss forum.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=40946;image)

I notice you added back a liner between the file and the saw. I know that wasn't done on the previous file/saw setup. Was that by request or did the lack of liner cause some rubbing issues or lack of stability?

The saws were placed by the master modder Syph007 each on their own layer by (my  :D) request. I just like them this way.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 23, 2012, 06:36:23 PM
Some more blue! :D  This one also had Ti liners and keyring nub.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom077/IMG_4690.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom077/IMG_4685.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom077/IMG_4677.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom077/IMG_4673.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on November 23, 2012, 07:23:12 PM
Lovely. Really got a craving for a little something blue :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 30, 2012, 06:11:54 PM
And a little more blue again today! :D  This time a rancher with scissors.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom080/IMG_4743.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom080/IMG_4740.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom080/IMG_4738.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom080/IMG_4735.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom080/IMG_4732.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on December 01, 2012, 02:48:13 PM
One custom beauty after another  :tu:

Here are my alox customs done by Robert /Syph007 so far:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 01, 2012, 03:21:22 PM
Cool I think thats the most of my customs Ive seen together!  Eventually I will have to start collecting my own mods.  The nice thing is I get to build lots of different ones that people request so I get to see what configurations I'd like for myself.

Cheers
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kkokkolis on December 03, 2012, 10:46:47 PM
Looking forward for my turn to come!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 04, 2012, 05:30:06 PM
Check out these beauties that arrvied today!  A few custom made SAK blades in 154cm!! :D :D :D

Stock 93mm blade at the bottom of this pic.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20blades/IMG_4783.jpg)

We have some spear point, clip point and sheepsfoot.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20blades/IMG_4786.jpg)

Check out how thick these are!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20blades/IMG_4785.jpg)

The idea here is that these will go to making some old timer whittling type knives, but with SAK parts and one heck of a big strong beefy main blade.  I think a big sheepsfoot down the middle and then awl and pruner or small blade along the side opening from the other end.



Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on December 04, 2012, 05:32:54 PM
Admit it, you got tired of sanding down your thick springs. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 04, 2012, 05:48:06 PM
Admit it, you got tired of sanding down your thick springs. :D

Ha, you dont know how true THAT is.  I actually had a buddy at a machine shop surface most of my springs to scissors thickness as the by hand method was crazy.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 04, 2012, 07:53:44 PM
Wow that's thick! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 04, 2012, 08:20:53 PM
Wow that's thick! JR

LOL ya.  I can probably double as a pry bar, evac tool SAK. :D  These arent heat treated yet, so I could thin one, but I kind of like how they feel.  Thats not a SAK... THIS is a SAK!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kkokkolis on December 04, 2012, 08:52:53 PM
Can you implement one of them into a 93mm Alox?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 04, 2012, 09:24:23 PM
Can you implement one of them into a 93mm Alox?

Yes that's the plan! :D
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kkokkolis on December 04, 2012, 10:07:02 PM
Great plan!
Could an Opinel blade be added to a Victorinox? That would make an evil hybrid!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sir_mike on December 04, 2012, 10:07:25 PM
I like the blade shape of the ones on the far left and far right (both ends).  Either one would look cool on an alox!

Got any prices for them? :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on December 04, 2012, 10:25:12 PM
Girth :ahhh
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Post by: Syph007 on December 04, 2012, 10:55:24 PM
LOL ya... well the UK laws talk about blade length right?  Nothing wrong with a SAK with a short blade, that can also be used as an entry tool right? :D  Its still going to be slipjoint.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 04, 2012, 10:59:52 PM
I like the blade shape of the ones on the far left and far right (both ends).  Either one would look cool on an alox!

Got any prices for them? :)

I have no idea what they will end up costing, this is all new to me.  It's mostly a test to see how I like a custom blade, and trying heat treat and different shapes out.  Someday I really need to learn to make blades too, but Im not there yet, so these were from a trade for a SAK custom from another blade maker.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sir_mike on December 04, 2012, 11:47:54 PM
I like the blade shape of the ones on the far left and far right (both ends).  Either one would look cool on an alox!

Got any prices for them? :)

I have no idea what they will end up costing, this is all new to me.  It's mostly a test to see how I like a custom blade, and trying heat treat and different shapes out.  Someday I really need to learn to make blades too, but Im not there yet, so these were from a trade for a SAK custom from another blade maker.

Okay, it would also be nice to make a Solo with one of those blades! :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on December 05, 2012, 04:51:04 AM
Cool blades! Robert, what type of steel and who (if it can be disclosed) made/makes them?

Can you temporarily arrange a 93 mm alox frame in one of the configurations you thought off, not closed/finally assembled, just in place on the riverts/posts and one scale, and take a few pics from different angles to give us an ideea of how the new blades may fit in a 93 mm frame?

 :cheers:
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Post by: WiSAKfan on December 05, 2012, 05:02:00 AM
Check out these beauties that arrvied today!  A few custom made SAK blades in 154cm!! :D :D :D

Stock 93mm blade at the bottom of this pic.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20blades/IMG_4783.jpg)

We have some spear point, clip point and sheepsfoot.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20blades/IMG_4786.jpg)

Check out how thick these are!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20blades/IMG_4785.jpg)

The idea here is that these will go to making some old timer whittling type knives, but with SAK parts and one heck of a big strong beefy main blade.  I think a big sheepsfoot down the middle and then awl and pruner or small blade along the side opening from the other end.

awesome!

that's taking it to the next level!
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Post by: Syph007 on December 06, 2012, 08:54:40 PM
I'm almost caught up now on customs for others so I got to work on one for me last night.  Cadet II with scissors.  I have a few 84mm mods I want to make and collect, and this was first.  Next is a regular cadet with scissors in red, and backside awl.  I just about have that one fit up.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom082/IMG_4824.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom082/IMG_4828.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom082/IMG_4821.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom082/IMG_4819.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom082/IMG_4818.jpg)

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Post by: nuphoria on December 06, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
Lovely. Really good stuff :tu:
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Post by: nj2656 on December 07, 2012, 05:07:47 AM
How's the backside tool working out? Do you think it would be possible to put a corkscrew on either a Cadet or a 93?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ICanFixThat on December 08, 2012, 06:54:26 PM
WOW!!!  :drool: :drool: :drool:

I just caught up on 10 pages of new SAK mods...  :drool: :drool: :drool:

I have SAKs in the mail to me... and then I can look forward to that mod we discussed.

Really nice work Robert!  I think I could almost just buy SAKs from you now instead of ebay.  I thought I was almost at that point, but last week I watched ebay for the week and had to pick up a few just because.  One is a nice black one PVD coated.  Since you seem to have the hard anodizing down, have you looked into PVD coating?

 :cheers:

Now I have to see what Mr. Bushido has been up to.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 08, 2012, 07:17:54 PM
WOW!!!  :drool: :drool: :drool:

I just caught up on 10 pages of new SAK mods...  :drool: :drool: :drool:

I have SAKs in the mail to me... and then I can look forward to that mod we discussed.

Really nice work Robert!  I think I could almost just buy SAKs from you now instead of ebay.  I thought I was almost at that point, but last week I watched ebay for the week and had to pick up a few just because.  One is a nice black one PVD coated.  Since you seem to have the hard anodizing down, have you looked into PVD coating?

 :cheers:

Now I have to see what Mr. Bushido has been up to.

I've only seen wenger blackouts do PVD, is that what you got, or is there a modder out there doing PVD?

For blacking thats the way to go, but mostly I like the shiny steel so I havent put much effort into trying, but its on the list of things to try someday.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 08, 2012, 07:19:24 PM
How's the backside tool working out? Do you think it would be possible to put a corkscrew on either a Cadet or a 93?

The one set of alox scales I had made up with the corkscrew cutout, I messed up badly and didnt get to actually try that knife out.  The scales are so thin there is barely enough room to have that hidden pin.  I might just make some 84 Ti scales to gain some strength and try again.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on December 08, 2012, 07:21:21 PM
Why not make it visible and use screws like on the others?
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Post by: Syph007 on December 08, 2012, 07:57:18 PM
Why not make it visible and use screws like on the others?

For Ti I could, but alox the screw position would be right in the shield logo. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ICanFixThat on December 09, 2012, 12:04:46 AM
WOW!!!  :drool: :drool: :drool:

I just caught up on 10 pages of new SAK mods...  :drool: :drool: :drool:

I have SAKs in the mail to me... and then I can look forward to that mod we discussed.

Really nice work Robert!  I think I could almost just buy SAKs from you now instead of ebay.  I thought I was almost at that point, but last week I watched ebay for the week and had to pick up a few just because.  One is a nice black one PVD coated.  Since you seem to have the hard anodizing down, have you looked into PVD coating?

 :cheers:

Now I have to see what Mr. Bushido has been up to.

I've only seen wenger blackouts do PVD, is that what you got, or is there a modder out there doing PVD?

For blacking thats the way to go, but mostly I like the shiny steel so I havent put much effort into trying, but its on the list of things to try someday.
It is a Wenger, but not any of the the Blackouts we've seen lately.  This one is an earlier Porsche Design Edition-1 Traveler; it has a PVD coated main-blade, and PVD coated Ruthenium scales (they use Torx as well).

I agree though, for most applications shiny steel is what you want.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on December 09, 2012, 04:46:13 AM
 Would a back tool phillips work on an 84? What about a 91 corkscrew in a 93 frame?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 09, 2012, 05:01:11 AM
Would a back tool phillips work on an 84? What about a 91 corkscrew in a 93 frame?

The phillips and corkscrew should work on an 84, but need the cutout for the backscale.  I cant see any way to put backtools on the 93s, the pivots are completely incompatible.
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Post by: Lypse on December 09, 2012, 06:47:17 AM
Hey Syph007

In a few days I will have a cadet and a electrican tool, and I was wondering if you have tried to fit a sheepfoot blade into a 84mm tool? It doesnt matter if the scraper part was lost in the modification.. :)

Oh and is there a thread somewhere that lists the sizes/names on the screws ect. needed to assemble the tool after the pivots have been removed? I live in Denmark so its proberly metric if I can find them.

Thanks for any answers and all the nice pictures :D

/Alex
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Post by: Syph007 on December 09, 2012, 02:15:08 PM
Hey, the electrician blade could be made to fit I'm sure one way or another.  Maybe in the opener layer, but I have a feeling that blade is thicker than the openers, so it might have to go in a new layer.

I use standard 1/8 inch pivots and 2-56 threaded screws that I get from knifekits.com 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 10, 2012, 07:23:00 PM
Admit it, you got tired of sanding down your thick springs. :D

Ha, you dont know how true THAT is.  I actually had a buddy at a machine shop surface most of my springs to scissors thickness as the by hand method was crazy.

I finally got my springs back from precision surface grinding.  Money well spent to do this, because OMG the manual way I was doing was a very dreaded task.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/IMG_4839.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/IMG_4838.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 10, 2012, 07:36:22 PM
Here is a different mod than normal.  I had a request for a bladeless SAK.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom083/IMG_4842.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom083/IMG_4850.jpg)

Do to the pliers being adjacent to the cap lifter, the notch was inaccessible.  I added a small cutout to the pliers body and it allowed perfect access.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom083/IMG_4856.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom083/IMG_4859.jpg)


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Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 10, 2012, 09:07:42 PM
Looking good Syph007!! Really good! JR
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Post by: papercut on December 11, 2012, 12:17:33 AM
That is a smart looking knife!  Very efficient too if one has a dedicated blade edc.

Nice on the springs as well. Are the the pin holes prefabbed to your standard or are they still metric spec (requiring more conversion work).

Cheers!
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Post by: Syph007 on December 11, 2012, 12:39:23 AM
The springs I made up with with a 2.5 mm hole, but these were laser cut so its not really suitable to use as is (very rough finish).  For me it's must a guide position to drill my larger hole.

Ya this was the first bladeless SAK ive had requested but I can see one being useful on a few occasions. 
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Post by: MultiMat on December 11, 2012, 01:06:55 AM
A NTSA friendly 007 model  :think: :D :D
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Post by: WiSAKfan on December 11, 2012, 01:15:24 AM
Here is a different mod than normal.  I had a request for a bladeless SAK.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom083/IMG_4842.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom083/IMG_4850.jpg)

Do to the pliers being adjacent to the cap lifter, the notch was inaccessible.  I added a small cutout to the pliers body and it allowed perfect access.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom083/IMG_4856.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom083/IMG_4859.jpg)

amazing and in red too for xmas.  is that for my stocking?  :gimme:

i've said it before but so clever on both the can opener and bottle opener opposite of the phillips!!!
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Post by: Syph007 on December 11, 2012, 01:21:50 AM
Ya I really like the openers across from the phillips.  Kind of like adding the explorer layer minus mag glass which most people never want anyhow since its plastic.  The nice part for this mod doing it this way is there was room in that layer to add the keyring nub beside the phillips driver. Normally it goes as part of the blade layer, and the customer wanted to have it still.  So it worked out nice.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on December 11, 2012, 01:28:31 AM
Here is a different mod than normal.  I had a request for a bladeless SAK.

Looks delicious as always but I see not one but two blades left there ::)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on December 11, 2012, 01:31:00 AM
I finally got my springs back from precision surface grinding.  Money well spent to do this, because OMG the manual way I was doing was a very dreaded task.

Nice. So you only need now to polish these? What's your current polishing method for these, if you can share?

 :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 11, 2012, 01:45:08 AM
I finally got my springs back from precision surface grinding.  Money well spent to do this, because OMG the manual way I was doing was a very dreaded task.

Nice. So you only need now to polish these? What's your current polishing method for these, if you can share?

 :cheers:

Yep I just need to edge finish and use now which is so much nicer.  I actually hand sand the backs to finish with 3 grits, 220,400,800 but I use 1/2 sanding mandrels for most of the inside, and then a smaller 3mm mandrel to get the rest of the hard to reach parts.  Then I buff with a cotton wool dremel buff and green rouge. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on December 11, 2012, 02:00:18 AM
Yep I just need to edge finish and use now which is so much nicer.  I actually hand sand the backs to finish with 3 grits, 220,400,800 but I use 1/2 sanding mandrels for most of the inside, and then a smaller 3mm mandrel to get the rest of the hard to reach parts.  Then I buff with a cotton wool dremel buff and green rouge.

Cool. Does it look good if after the 800 they are left as-is on the outside (without buffing), for some "matte"/unpolished look, older 93 mm opener tools style (or the backspring sides)? I think that some models could look good in the unpolished look, for example with brass liners and old style tools. Or is that the finish does not end up uniform?

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WiSAKfan on December 11, 2012, 02:00:44 AM
Ya I really like the openers across from the phillips.  Kind of like adding the explorer layer minus mag glass which most people never want anyhow since its plastic.  The nice part for this mod doing it this way is there was room in that layer to add the keyring nub beside the phillips driver. Normally it goes as part of the blade layer, and the customer wanted to have it still.  So it worked out nice.  :D

how thick is it?  got any comparison shots?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 11, 2012, 03:41:26 AM
Yep I just need to edge finish and use now which is so much nicer.  I actually hand sand the backs to finish with 3 grits, 220,400,800 but I use 1/2 sanding mandrels for most of the inside, and then a smaller 3mm mandrel to get the rest of the hard to reach parts.  Then I buff with a cotton wool dremel buff and green rouge.

Cool. Does it look good if after the 800 they are left as-is on the outside (without buffing), for some "matte"/unpolished look, older 93 mm opener tools style (or the backspring sides)? I think that some models could look good in the unpolished look, for example with brass liners and old style tools. Or is that the finish does not end up uniform?

Cheers!

The problem is that standard Vic parts arent just a matte finish, they are tumbled. Id have to tumble my springs in ceramic media to get that same effect and I dont have a tumbler, so at this point its easier for me to just finish them all the same way.  For a matte look though Id stop at 400 grit and that would look pretty close, but if I didnt sand all the spring my custom ones would not blend in.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 11, 2012, 03:44:27 AM
Ya I really like the openers across from the phillips.  Kind of like adding the explorer layer minus mag glass which most people never want anyhow since its plastic.  The nice part for this mod doing it this way is there was room in that layer to add the keyring nub beside the phillips driver. Normally it goes as part of the blade layer, and the customer wanted to have it still.  So it worked out nice.  :D

how thick is it?  got any comparison shots?

Well doing the mod this way Im using 2 opener layer springs, but those are narrower than a blade layer spring and I'm not another liner.  Its kind of 3 tools in about 1.5 layers worth of SAK.  But much thinner than if I was to add a whole separate layer for the phillips since it needs a wide spring like the blade spring is.  So it would be a much wider SAK to add a phillips that way, if that makes sense.

Oh and the other nice part, purely from a parts perspective is that blade springs are much more valuable to me as a part than an opener layer spring since I have way more opener layer springs than blade springs.  So, I get to use them up this way but putting 2 on one SAK.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WiSAKfan on December 11, 2012, 03:53:01 AM
it makes sense  :climber:

i was also wondering how thick overall the knife is compared to other knives
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Post by: nj2656 on December 16, 2012, 10:09:58 PM
Robert, would the standard can opener work with a small blade in a single layer? Say with the pruner. Thinking that my Firesteel I had you remove the opener layer from feels too thin. Thought having a can opener and a pruner blade in it would be useful in the kind of "survival" knife it is.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 16, 2012, 10:26:28 PM
Robert, would the standard can opener work with a small blade in a single layer? Say with the pruner. Thinking that my Firesteel I had you remove the opener layer from feels too thin. Thought having a can opener and a pruner blade in it would be useful in the kind of "survival" knife it is.

Yep that could be made to fit.  The only problem is that one of the nail nicks will be on the inside since both the can opener and small blades have nail nicks on the same side of the tool, so put in a single layer, the nicks will then be on opposite sides. That may or may not be an issue.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on December 17, 2012, 04:19:09 AM
Thanks. Hopefully when the holidays are over I can get a few sent to you.
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Post by: Syph007 on December 22, 2012, 05:07:10 PM
The whole family is sick, so I've had very little time to mod.  I did manage to get another slightly different configuration done though. 

The nice part of putting the electrician blade and caplifter opposite the phillips is that that extra shim can go in between the tools to keep them separated.   This layout for the pliers and scissors with the dual opener opposite phillips will be the standard way to doing it now.  None of the nail nicks are blocked at all, even the cap lifter one is easily accessible.  Moving the pliers or scissors any other way blocks something.

Cheers

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom084/IMG_4961.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom084/IMG_4964.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom084/IMG_4970.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom084/IMG_4972.jpg)
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Post by: nuphoria on December 22, 2012, 05:19:13 PM
Gorgeous :drool:
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kkokkolis on December 22, 2012, 07:31:37 PM
A great mod that gives me ideas...
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Post by: enki_ck on December 22, 2012, 07:45:08 PM
That green is just :drool:
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Post by: nj2656 on December 22, 2012, 11:03:53 PM
Another great looking knife.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 04, 2013, 04:43:19 AM
I finally felt well enough today to get back in the shop and modding again. Had the flu for a good solid 2 weeks there and that was no fun.

The stock silver scales still have some fans left.  It's been quite a while since Ive had a request to build one though.  Standard urban pioneer, but with electricians blade in place of awl.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom086/IMG_5008.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom086/IMG_5010.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom086/IMG_5014.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom086/IMG_5018.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on January 04, 2013, 04:46:47 AM
Very nice!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WiSAKfan on January 04, 2013, 04:54:53 AM
The whole family is sick, so I've had very little time to mod.  I did manage to get another slightly different configuration done though. 

The nice part of putting the electrician blade and caplifter opposite the phillips is that that extra shim can go in between the tools to keep them separated.   This layout for the pliers and scissors with the dual opener opposite phillips will be the standard way to doing it now.  None of the nail nicks are blocked at all, even the cap lifter one is easily accessible.  Moving the pliers or scissors any other way blocks something.

Cheers

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom084/IMG_4961.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom084/IMG_4964.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom084/IMG_4970.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom084/IMG_4972.jpg)

awesome!!! :climber:
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 04, 2013, 06:50:38 AM
I finally felt well enough today to get back in the shop and modding again. Had the flu for a good solid 2 weeks there and that was no fun.

The stock silver scales still have some fans left.  It's been quite a while since Ive had a request to build one though.  Standard urban pioneer, but with electricians blade in place of awl.
Glad to hear your feeling better, and like always another good mod, keep it up! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WiSAKfan on January 05, 2013, 03:40:24 AM
The whole family is sick, so I've had very little time to mod.  I did manage to get another slightly different configuration done though. 

The nice part of putting the electrician blade and caplifter opposite the phillips is that that extra shim can go in between the tools to keep them separated.   This layout for the pliers and scissors with the dual opener opposite phillips will be the standard way to doing it now.  None of the nail nicks are blocked at all, even the cap lifter one is easily accessible.  Moving the pliers or scissors any other way blocks something.

Cheers

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom084/IMG_4961.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom084/IMG_4964.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom084/IMG_4970.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom084/IMG_4972.jpg)

hey buddy what bushings did use to make this??
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 05, 2013, 04:36:06 AM
Do you mean the pivots? 1/8 inch knife pivots.
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Post by: WiSAKfan on January 05, 2013, 04:46:29 AM
oops i meant shims
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Post by: Syph007 on January 05, 2013, 05:37:30 AM
I bought some 0.020 nickel silver sheet to make the same style as Vic uses.  If its a thinner space than that I just phosphor bronze washers.
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Post by: WiSAKfan on January 05, 2013, 06:14:51 AM
thank you.  :salute:

i trust you wouldn't mind me replicating the mod in cellidor for my own personal use?

(electricians blade, opener, phillips part)

it's just too clever to pass up....
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 05, 2013, 10:00:18 PM
I've been thinking of trying that opener trick on a standard 91mm but never got around to it yet.  Go for it!

I'm back to killing limited editions again.  People want them modified, who am I to say no.

Orange sailor #24 is currently in pieces.  It will end up as a 4 layer.

Marlin spike / blade
Pliers
Scissors
Phillips / combo

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5019.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on January 05, 2013, 10:06:46 PM
Nothing should be sacred really >:D

I asked somewhere else, but I'll throw it in the mix here - can a 84mm nailfile be used in a 93mm mod?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 05, 2013, 10:31:17 PM
Nothing should be sacred really >:D

I asked somewhere else, but I'll throw it in the mix here - can a 84mm nailfile be used in a 93mm mod?

Yes if I use one of the custom springs I made. I can leave the one end thicker than normal so it sits up higher.  I tried it with an 84mm combo and it worked, so a nail file should as well.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on January 05, 2013, 11:44:14 PM
Oh dear, I was worried you might say that >:D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on January 06, 2013, 03:10:11 AM
Is that Kamm's or Rick's? Why the combo opposite the phillips instaid of the opener layer? :ahhh I'm confused. :shrug:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 06, 2013, 04:55:49 AM
Is that Kamm's or Rick's? Why the combo opposite the phillips instaid of the opener layer? :ahhh I'm confused. :shrug:

It's Ricks.  Its what he asked for so Im building it.  The dual openers ends up a bit wider, but I think it's still my preferred method.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WiSAKfan on January 06, 2013, 05:02:07 AM
I've been thinking of trying that opener trick on a standard 91mm but never got around to it yet.  Go for it!

I'm back to killing limited editions again.  People want them modified, who am I to say no.

Orange sailor #24 is currently in pieces.  It will end up as a 4 layer.

Marlin spike / blade
Pliers
Scissors
Phillips / combo

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5019.jpg)

sounds good!

are you going to add a keyring to that new marlin spike one?

i think all marlin spike knives should have one...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rickinFL on January 06, 2013, 05:18:15 AM
Looking good sir. 

Why add the keyring?  I've always thought they just get in the way. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WiSAKfan on January 06, 2013, 05:21:40 AM
i guess i equate marlin spike with boat knife which should have lanyard...

I agree that a knife without one is more comfortable
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on January 06, 2013, 05:27:58 PM
Think of it as making the limited edition an exclusive edition.

:P
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on January 06, 2013, 07:23:49 PM
Just my personal .02 cents -- I think modding these limited editions is a great thing due to the fact that you're getting exactly what you want in the end without waiting a million years for Vic to manufacture it  :tu:

That, and I enjoy all the photos of the parts to finished products  :D

Thank you to Syph and the other modders for all your great works  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WiSAKfan on January 06, 2013, 08:26:47 PM
Just my personal .02 cents -- I think modding these limited editions is a great thing due to the fact that you're getting exactly what you want in the end without waiting a million years for Vic to manufacture it  :tu:

That, and I enjoy all the photos of the parts to finished products  :D

Thank you to Syph and the other modders for all your great works  :cheers:

i agree with everything you said.  life's too short to not have exactly what you want in your pocket! :climber: :climber:

mod on!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: wndrstrck on January 07, 2013, 03:39:54 AM
Just my personal .02 cents -- I think modding these limited editions is a great thing due to the fact that you're getting exactly what you want in the end without waiting a million years for Vic to manufacture it  :tu:

That, and I enjoy all the photos of the parts to finished products  :D

Thank you to Syph and the other modders for all your great works  :cheers:

I also agree, modding limited edtitions and or rare models, makes the surviving ones even more limited or rare  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 07, 2013, 08:46:10 PM
I was just finishing up this sailor custom and since people seemed interested in assembly pics I tools a bunch during the test fit up. 

This is typically how I build them.  Lay the parts out from back to front and then assemble as I go.  There are actually 38 separate parts in this mod, each and every single one has had work done to it, not one stock part in the lot.  From tool pivot drilling, edge buffing, part reshaping, screw polishing, pivot cutting, drill and counter sinking scales and custom washer making.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5029.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5032.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5038.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5040.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5042.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5043.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5045.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5047.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5049.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5052.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Corso on January 07, 2013, 08:56:32 PM
I really love these pictorial posts.  It's like watching an episode of "How It's Made". 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 07, 2013, 09:03:08 PM
And here are the finished glamor shots.  :D

For whatever reason its always hard to photograph the backsprings, I moved the SAK all over and finally a wood background was acceptable.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom087/IMG_5060.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom087/IMG_5062.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom087/IMG_5066.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom087/IMG_5069.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom087/IMG_5070.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom087/IMG_5078.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom087/IMG_5080.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom087/IMG_5086.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Corso on January 07, 2013, 09:15:52 PM
Nice. Are your pivots one solid length or two smaller pieces joined together?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 07, 2013, 09:19:50 PM
Nice. Are your pivots one solid length or two smaller pieces joined together?

For this one since it's wider than a standard pivot is long, I make the pivots longer by using a very long screw on one side that goes through a short piece of pivot, and then into the longer piece of pivot.  I sand down the junction and also put it in the center of the largest spring, in this case the pliers.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 07, 2013, 09:53:00 PM
That's a huge beast. :tool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wootz on January 07, 2013, 11:06:37 PM
Great stuff Syph. To be proud of  :tu:

Small question: is 4 layer alox same thickness as 3 layer celidor?

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 07, 2013, 11:46:45 PM
Very nice job!! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on January 08, 2013, 02:53:52 AM
Heeeyyyyy Sexy layday!

Nice!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WiSAKfan on January 09, 2013, 05:07:24 AM
what's the trick to straightening the electricians blade again?

thanks.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 09, 2013, 02:56:54 PM
what's the trick to straightening the electricians blade again?

thanks.

I clamp it in a padded bench vice, then gentle but firm tap with a mallet.  SAK parts bend much easier than it would seem.  Ive accidently hit too hard and put a good 45 degree bend in one.  Now I just tap a bit, test fit the part, and repeat until it's a perfect fit.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 10, 2013, 06:05:40 PM
I was pretty excited to see a package from Jeff Forbush in the mail today... because I knew it was my scales!

Safety orange cerakote.  The man does great work and I can see why he comes highly recommended.

I put some stock orange and black Vics in the pic for comparison.  These are going to look awesome with hard anodized black liners.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_5096.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_5097.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_5102.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_5098.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_5107.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on January 10, 2013, 06:22:57 PM
Wow.  :o

You know, I'm considering changing up my EDC to a pair of pliers and just a single Alox SAK.

I just love the way they handle.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on January 10, 2013, 06:24:54 PM
very nice!!  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on January 10, 2013, 06:29:27 PM
They have some potential :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Stew on January 10, 2013, 06:29:51 PM
That's impressive!

Are they all from models you've broken down or are you getting hold of scales separate? I've had a bit of a skim through the thread but there's a lot of posts to go through! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Dr Gonzo on January 10, 2013, 06:37:11 PM
 :drool:
Can't wait to see what they become ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 10, 2013, 06:46:13 PM
That's impressive!

Are they all from models you've broken down or are you getting hold of scales separate? I've had a bit of a skim through the thread but there's a lot of posts to go through! :D

Lately Ive been doing everything in sets of 10s.. so I buy 10 pioneers, rip them apart, coat scales and move to next color.  Ive got 30 more I haven't ripped apart yet, but I ran out of red and black scales which are by far the most popular, so I think i'll do 15 sets each of those.   Alot of people have asked either for the black scales with red liners, or red liners with black scales.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Stew on January 10, 2013, 06:48:38 PM
Nice!

Have you ever showed pics of all your parts in boxes - you must be well organised. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 10, 2013, 07:35:28 PM
Nice!

Have you ever showed pics of all your parts in boxes - you must be well organised. :D

I started keeping parts in a tackle box but I outgrew that ages ago.  I'll take a group part shot sometime.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SomeOneWho on January 10, 2013, 10:19:55 PM
Syph007,

This thread has become quite long. You're also obviously beyond the "so it begins" phase. You might want to start a new thread for 2013 and begin it with highlight photos of some of your best creations thus far.

Fantastic work!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on January 10, 2013, 10:39:38 PM
47 page / 700 posts thread is long? :think: You must be new around here. :D This isn't even in the top ten long threads. Our longest thread just broke 15,100 posts today. :whistle: I like this thread as it is. Lets you see the progress throughout time. But that's just my opinion, Syph007 might disagree. :D




Also, if I haven't said that already, welcome to the forum. Glad to have you here. :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 10, 2013, 10:44:17 PM
Yep I like having it all in one spot.  I started this Jan 20 of last year, so 10 more days and it'll be one year of modding.  I think I'll post a summary each year of what I learned and things I figured out.  Lots more left to do on my cool things to try list that I haven't got close to yet, so Im far from out of ideas!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on January 13, 2013, 08:00:54 PM
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_5107.jpg)

Looking great! :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wootz on January 15, 2013, 09:12:46 AM
Syph, how thick is a 4 layer alox 93 mod? Does it feel like a brick in hand?

My 3 layer Farmer is about the same thickness as 2 layer celidor,
so would a 4 layer alox be like a 3 layer celidor?

Thanks
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wootz on January 16, 2013, 10:20:14 AM
…but then I remembered what ma ol’ Opa allays said:
“Ya never go askin’ no questions if ya donno the answers are gonna be, ma boy”.
 :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 16, 2013, 06:42:40 PM
Sorry for the late reply.  Your question made me think I should make a little table of the common layers and thickness so that people can figure out how thick custom A with layers x,y,z would be.  Lots of people ask how thick a certain mod is, and they are usually long sold and gone so then I have to think about it and try to figure out what I used.  :D

So it really depends on what layers I use.  For example off the top of my head this is what I can remember.

Blade layer - 0.105 inches
Scissors layer - 0.100 inches
Pliers layer - 0.145 inches
liners - 0.032 inches
alox scales - I can't remember :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wootz on January 16, 2013, 07:28:35 PM
No problem my friend, I was only having some fun!

Great idea to make a little table, but please also in metric, would be perfect.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on January 18, 2013, 10:31:01 PM
Something tells me we havent seen the end of those orange scales  :pok: :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 18, 2013, 11:11:30 PM
Something tells me we havent seen the end of those orange scales  :pok: :D

They are waiting for black hard anodized liners, due back next week.  :D  I made up a bunch as they will look best i think with black.  Some will be getting BO'd tools as well.  ;)
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on January 19, 2013, 06:04:42 PM
Something tells me we havent seen the end of those orange scales  :pok: :D

They are waiting for black hard anodized liners, due back next week.  :D  I made up a bunch as they will look best i think with black.  Some will be getting BO'd tools as well.  ;)

Mmmm BO ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on January 19, 2013, 08:02:37 PM
Lol
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 19, 2013, 08:23:03 PM
Back to my first modding roots with this one.  Hard anodized red scaled pioneer with just a scissors layer added.  It's still a great simple configuration I think.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom088/IMG_5121.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom088/IMG_5122.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom088/IMG_5124.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom088/IMG_5128.jpg)




Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on January 19, 2013, 08:29:15 PM
Lovely :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on January 19, 2013, 08:47:55 PM
It looks great in red!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Northern Geek on January 19, 2013, 09:25:21 PM
Back to my first modding roots with this one.  Hard anodized red scaled pioneer with just a scissors layer added.  It's still a great simple configuration I think.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom088/IMG_5121.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom088/IMG_5122.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom088/IMG_5124.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom088/IMG_5128.jpg)

To be honest, I think these are my favorite alox versions you make. "Simple" and just right.  :salute: :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sir_mike on January 19, 2013, 09:42:33 PM
Back to my first modding roots with this one.  Hard anodized red scaled pioneer with just a scissors layer added.  It's still a great simple configuration I think.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom088/IMG_5121.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom088/IMG_5122.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom088/IMG_5124.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom088/IMG_5128.jpg)

That setup I would very much be interested in.  I would probably prefer the orange, blue or green scales though! :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 19, 2013, 10:00:39 PM
Thing of beauty Syph, like always!  JR  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 19, 2013, 11:00:19 PM
This red one was actually ordered by a lady as a gift for her husband for their anniversary.  Hope he likes it!  I know I'd be happy if my wife gave me a knife for a gift!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 19, 2013, 11:04:02 PM
He definitely will. :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sir_mike on January 19, 2013, 11:36:25 PM
This red one was actually ordered by a lady as a gift for her husband for their anniversary.  Hope he likes it!  I know I'd be happy if my wife gave me a knife for a gift!

That's a good idea, to get the wife to buy it. I have a B-day coming up in a month and a half so that should give me time to sell it.

I would also like to see a version of that sak of yours without the scissors but using the mag glass and inline philips!

:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 20, 2013, 12:04:03 AM
This red one was actually ordered by a lady as a gift for her husband for their anniversary.  Hope he likes it!  I know I'd be happy if my wife gave me a knife for a gift!

That's a good idea, to get the wife to buy it. I have a B-day coming up in a month and a half so that should give me time to sell it.

I would also like to see a version of that sak of yours without the scissors but using the mag glass and inline philips!

:D

I did one with the old mag glass layer.  For a plastic part it turned out ok. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom070/IMG_4470.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom070/IMG_4466.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 20, 2013, 12:06:27 AM
Ah Syph,

did you ever try the side by side openers plus phillips on a Cadet?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 20, 2013, 12:11:33 AM
Ah Syph,

did you ever try the side by side openers plus phillips on a Cadet?

Oh that would be sweet wouldnt it!  Hmmm... that just made my todo list!  Maybe I should combine all the mods Ive been meading to try on a cadet into one.

1.  Pocket clip rivetted on
2.  Backtool with hidden 4th pin
3.  Philips opposite dual openers
4.  wenger scissors with a split backspring so they dont move up and down while cutting.

I have some red alox scales I prepped for the hidden 4th pin trick so they are ready to go.  I got so behind on custom orders though Ive spent all my free time catching up as I dont want to make folks wait too long.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on January 20, 2013, 12:22:15 AM
Lookin' forward to the day when I get to see my Urban Mechanic up here  :drool:  :gimme:  :mail:
Title: Re: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on January 20, 2013, 12:45:57 AM
This red one was actually ordered by a lady as a gift for her husband for their anniversary.  Hope he likes it!  I know I'd be happy if my wife gave me a knife for a gift!

I don't think my wife would ever buy me a knife, let alone a custom one! He's a lucky guy!!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on January 20, 2013, 01:56:32 AM
Ah Syph,

did you ever try the side by side openers plus phillips on a Cadet?

Oh that would be sweet wouldnt it!  Hmmm... that just made my todo list!  Maybe I should combine all the mods Ive been meading to try on a cadet into one.

1.  Pocket clip rivetted on
2.  Backtool with hidden 4th pin
3.  Philips opposite dual openers
4.  wenger scissors with a split backspring so they dont move up and down while cutting.

I have some red alox scales I prepped for the hidden 4th pin trick so they are ready to go.  I got so behind on custom orders though Ive spent all my free time catching up as I dont want to make folks wait too long.

Holy crap that would be awesome. Not too keen on the clip, but everything else sounds cherry. I was cooking up something similar with Steve recently, but It is not to be.

Which backtools?  Awl and ?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 20, 2013, 02:05:41 AM
I forgot that you can't just flip around the springs on 84s. So the second spring that works with the cap lifter has to be modded then.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 20, 2013, 02:08:15 AM
I forgot that you can't just flip around the springs on 84s. So the second spring that works with the cap lifter has to be modded then.

Ah right!  I had the same issue when I tried on a 91mm.  It would still work but you are right the springs would have to be modded.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 20, 2013, 02:10:05 AM
I just fiddled this setup together. If you use the spacer of the nailfile on the phillips it's about the same width as caplifter and can opener combined. That is if you don't put a washer inbetween.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 20, 2013, 09:36:57 PM
So... if I mess up a moderators mod do I get banned!?!?!  :D  :D  :D

It went fine though so I'm safe!  Peening done by request as it's for sure not my specialty.  I'm satisfied though with the result.  It does add a certain rustic feel.  I have to say that I was pretty nervous swinging a hammer at an alox scale though!  ;)  My screw and pivot method is still much easier for me.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom089/IMG_5135.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom089/IMG_5136.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom089/IMG_5138.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom089/IMG_5139.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom089/IMG_5142.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom089/IMG_5144.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom089/IMG_5149.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on January 20, 2013, 10:11:46 PM
Beautiful!  Thanks so much.

There will probably be a fairly large number of gratuitous Alox threads in the next few months. ;) :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on January 21, 2013, 12:38:58 AM
Mr W is the least likely to ban you when you mess it up.... he is the wise benevolent one :D

However, you didn't - it's gorgeous :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ICanFixThat on January 21, 2013, 05:43:45 AM
I'm up-to-date again... and  :drool:  :drool:  :drool:

Man; loved that green one, and the sailor mod.  I'm still planing on having my special marlin spike mod done, and I need a couple simpler 84mm as well.  Maybe I can get it all organized for next month.  I have another idea as well I'm working on.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Outback in Idaho on January 21, 2013, 08:07:46 AM
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom070/IMG_4466.jpg)

Like that magnifying glass addition. What would you suggest, if anything, for the other side of a Wenger SI?

And, can you put in a clockwise can opener in place of the Swisspaw version?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 21, 2013, 02:43:10 PM

Like that magnifying glass addition. What would you suggest, if anything, for the other side of a Wenger SI?

And, can you put in a clockwise can opener in place of the Swisspaw version?

Well you can always put the phillips with the mag glass since they are the same width it's the easiest to do.  I could make any other half length tool fit too though.

By clockwise opener you mean like one from a wenger?  The claw?  Ive never done it but I bet there is a way. I could always grind a custom spring to fit the pivot.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Outback in Idaho on January 21, 2013, 09:51:26 PM

Like that magnifying glass addition. What would you suggest, if anything, for the other side of a Wenger SI?

And, can you put in a clockwise can opener in place of the Swisspaw version?

Well you can always put the phillips with the mag glass since they are the same width it's the easiest to do.  I could make any other half length tool fit too though.

By clockwise opener you mean like one from a wenger?  The claw?  Ive never done it but I bet there is a way. I could always grind a custom spring to fit the pivot.

Guess I can get used to this new can opener, besides it has other uses whereas the can opener I am used to would have less abilities. And makes for a great pistachio nut pry tool, and a smaller cut-off nipper.

I like the older magnifying glass. Am curious though, could an international/universal wrench (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Universal+Wrench) be used on the other side? Or would that add too much weight?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 21, 2013, 10:41:38 PM
I like the Wenger universal wrench too!

(http://www.sakwiki.com/show_image.php?id=377)

I have a wenger donor that has one and I will put it on an alox mod (or try) soon to see how it works out. I was surprised how well the wrench works on small bolts.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on January 21, 2013, 10:51:57 PM
There are a few versions of it. Different teeth. The one I used to disassemble the LM Charge has PW2 like teeth. Looking forward to seeing what you do with it. What do you plan to put on the other side, Phillips? From a Wenger or Vic?


(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh627/enki_ck/Modification/IMG_20130105_144021.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on January 21, 2013, 10:54:54 PM
I love alligator wrenches.  So simple, so clever, so effective. :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 21, 2013, 10:55:15 PM
Ah I didnt realize there were different versions.  Not sure what one I have, I haven't ripped apart the donor yet.   Phillips and wrench is what I'd like to do, either vic or wenger phillips, whatever works best.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on January 21, 2013, 11:04:49 PM
I think the Vic phillips would be better. It's more precise than the Wenger which is to thick for most screws, and it would leave you with a gap, cause of it's short size.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Outback in Idaho on January 21, 2013, 11:51:47 PM
Is there much of a difference between the Victorinox and Wenger versions of the wrench?  :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 21, 2013, 11:54:46 PM
There is no Victorinox wrench if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Outback in Idaho on January 22, 2013, 12:23:47 AM
There is no Victorinox wrench if I'm not mistaken.

This photo is what confused me in thinking there was a Vic version, as that looks a lot like cellidor with a scale tool on the end. Must of been a modified Vic.

(http://www.smartknives.com/Swiss-Army-Knife-Tools/Swiss-Army-Knife-Images/Wenger-Universal-Wrench.gif)
And looking at the image name can see it indeed was a Wenger accessory. Deceiving picture snippets.


Edit: Had a connection issue there.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 23, 2013, 03:10:17 AM
So I restocked on alox donors, but the darn things came all stuck together with these rivet things!   :think:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5160Large.jpg)

But... after about an hour they are much easier to use now.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5171Large.jpg)

A couple of tips for anyone trying to take apart alox SAKs.  Two layer ones you need to drill out all 3 rivets, but solos and anything with a saw layer only 2 rivets.  The spring with the open end like on the solo or the saw layer on a farmer just pulls out since its open, then you squeeze the scales together and use side cutters to cut the head of the now exposed rivet.  Easy peasy.  :tu:

Disclaimer: Many SAKs were harmed in the making of this post.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on January 23, 2013, 03:49:45 AM
Gentlemen, we can rebuild them. We have the anodizing. We have the capability to build the world's finest alox knives. Syph007 will be the man. Better than they were before. Better tools, stronger coatings, faster builds.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Outback in Idaho on January 23, 2013, 03:51:30 AM
Gentlemen, we can rebuild them. We have the anodizing. We have the capability to build the world's finest alox knives. Syph007 will be the man. Better than they were before. Better tools, stronger coatings, faster builds.

Hope he gets the girl at the end.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on January 24, 2013, 12:33:56 AM
Today on How It's Made...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 24, 2013, 12:37:06 AM
I'm curious. What do you do with all the stock liners? Do you use them in case nothing custom (brass, aluminum, ti) is desired?

Oh, and a little off-topic: Are the cellidor liners aluminum? If so, which alloy? :angel:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 24, 2013, 04:31:38 AM
Yep cellidor liners are Aluminum.  Really cheap grade, not sure which. I was thinking to try anodizing some to see how they would turn out to jazz up a 91 SAK.  I use stock liners for mods too and for guides to make my custom liners.  A stack of 5 stock liners is my router template guide, and they wear out after awhile.

I just got another run of black parts back today and I tried a new experiment.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5193.jpg)

I made some aluminum keyring/awl spacers and used fine aluminum rod stock to rivet them onto aluminum liners I made.  The idea was that since its all aluminum it would all just anodize. 

Well it mostly worked.  The problem is you can see the liners are glossy looking but the spacer turned out more matte.  The liners are 6061 and the other part was 7075 as thats all I could find in the right thickness. 

They still might look ok with the orange scales, I'll have to see.  I will make an effort to try to find some 6061 now though in the correct thickness for the next attempt with red liners.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5184.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5192.jpg)


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mimifred on January 24, 2013, 07:48:44 AM
If I understand correctly, you are making the anodization yourself ?

Would you have a pic of the setup you use ?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on January 24, 2013, 12:44:51 PM
I will make an effort to try to find some 6061 now though in the correct thickness for the next attempt with red liners.

What thickness do you need for the 6061?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 24, 2013, 12:54:37 PM
I will make an effort to try to find some 6061 now though in the correct thickness for the next attempt with red liners.

What thickness do you need for the 6061?

0.040 and I just realized I never checked to see if there was that thickness in the batch you sent me, but I had arleady cut the pieces from 7075 at the time and didnt realize it would anodize differently.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on January 24, 2013, 12:55:08 PM
Well, I think you may have voided the warranty again ::)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 24, 2013, 03:30:34 PM
If I understand correctly, you are making the anodization yourself ?

Would you have a pic of the setup you use ?

Sorry I missed your question.  I do not do the anodize myself, I only strip the scales to bare Aluminum. I have a professional do the anodizing part.  It's done in an acid medium with refrigeration, not really a home setup I want to do.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on January 24, 2013, 03:58:28 PM
Yep cellidor liners are Aluminum.  Really cheap grade, not sure which. I was thinking to try anodizing some to see how they would turn out to jazz up a 91 SAK.  I use stock liners for mods too and for guides to make my custom liners.  A stack of 5 stock liners is my router template guide, and they wear out after awhile.

I just got another run of black parts back today and I tried a new experiment.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5193.jpg)

I made some aluminum keyring/awl spacers and used fine aluminum rod stock to rivet them onto aluminum liners I made.  The idea was that since its all aluminum it would all just anodize. 

Well it mostly worked.  The problem is you can see the liners are glossy looking but the spacer turned out more matte.  The liners are 6061 and the other part was 7075 as thats all I could find in the right thickness. 

They still might look ok with the orange scales, I'll have to see.  I will make an effort to try to find some 6061 now though in the correct thickness for the next attempt with red liners.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5184.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5192.jpg)
The difference in material shouldn't have that much of a difference in coating. However if one was polished(liner) and one wasn't (keyring/spacer) that should determine the final color/finish. Try polishing one of the keyring/spacer and liner, then try. Should be really close. I guess I've researched to much lol.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 24, 2013, 04:08:34 PM
It depends on the kind of anodizing one does. If acid cleaning is involved, different alloys will shows drastic differences, especially in shinyness.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 24, 2013, 04:12:46 PM
It depends on the kind of anodizing one does. If acid cleaning is involved, different alloys will shows drastic differences, especially in shinyness.

It must be something like that since I had them both finished exact same way.  Sanding up to 800 grit and polished.  They looked identical before anodizing.  Oh well now I know.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 24, 2013, 05:47:19 PM
I forgot how nice brass and black looks together.  This is a modified soldier with brass liner and scissors.  Small blade for awl, and no opener layer.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom090/IMG_5220.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom090/IMG_5224.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom090/IMG_5197.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom090/IMG_5207.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiljentaa on January 24, 2013, 06:24:19 PM
Wowee, that is a gorgeous look.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wootz on January 24, 2013, 06:52:28 PM
Awesome.  :tu:  The badge screams for a brass inlay  :pok:

I like the idea to remove the openers, great to pair with a multitool.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 24, 2013, 07:14:52 PM
Awesome.  :tu:  The badge screams for a brass inlay  :pok:

I like the idea to remove the openers, great to pair with a multitool.

Oh ya brass inlay in the shield would match the brass liner nicely.  Too many cool things to try and not enough time!   :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sir_mike on January 24, 2013, 07:55:36 PM
Nicely done.  I could live with that one as my Urban EDC!

:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mimifred on January 24, 2013, 08:30:54 PM
If I understand correctly, you are making the anodization yourself ?

Would you have a pic of the setup you use ?

Sorry I missed your question.  I do not do the anodize myself, I only strip the scales to bare Aluminum. I have a professional do the anodizing part.  It's done in an acid medium with refrigeration, not really a home setup I want to do.

Ok, thanks, i've seen some home made anodizing setup and it seemed kind of tricky...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 25, 2013, 03:52:24 PM
Ok it's time to pull out the orange cerakote scales.  I gotta say I'm loving the orange scales with black liner look.  This is just a test fit up, but I will be assembling one over the weekend.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_5266.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_5254.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_5257.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: El Rago on January 25, 2013, 08:08:43 PM
it isnt even finished and it is already looking good.


dang, the pain of not having ca$h....

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on January 25, 2013, 08:55:36 PM
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002212353/522883223_1537991_george_takei_oh_my_super_xlarge.png)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on January 25, 2013, 09:02:46 PM
 That screams Harley Davidson.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on January 25, 2013, 09:37:40 PM
I forgot how nice brass and black looks together.  This is a modified soldier with brass liner and scissors.  Small blade for awl, and no opener layer.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom090/IMG_5220.jpg)


Nice and simply carry, he's gonna love it. :2tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on January 25, 2013, 11:07:01 PM
I think the industrial orange is the perfect color for EDC.  It's easy to reclaim if dropped in the woods or out in the grass at night.  I look forward to seeing some of the finished works.  :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on January 25, 2013, 11:41:35 PM
Oh wow, that orange and black combo is just WOW! :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Outback in Idaho on January 25, 2013, 11:44:49 PM
How does that cerakote stand up in comparison to other coating materials?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 25, 2013, 11:59:19 PM
How does that cerakote stand up in comparison to other coating materials?

I'm pretty curious about that too.  Its not as hard as the anodizing I do, but it wont chip either.  So I'll have to pocket carry one for awhile and see how it holds up.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on January 26, 2013, 01:44:20 AM
How does that cerakote stand up in comparison to other coating materials?

I'm pretty curious about that too.  Its not as hard as the anodizing I do, but it wont chip either.  So I'll have to pocket carry one for awhile and see how it holds up.
I have a charge XTi that I had cerakoted. It's holding up well but I carry it in a sheath. But I do use it everyday. It has normal wear and tear but still looks great IMO.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 26, 2013, 05:15:38 AM
I rarely overuse emoticons... but  :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

Seriously this turned out way better than I imagined.  The cerakote is lovely and flawless, love the color and the tools slide on it like butter.  I was worried that pivoting on the cerakote might be sticky but it's wonderful. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom092/IMG_5311.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom092/IMG_5302.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom092/IMG_5281.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom092/IMG_5287.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom092/IMG_5279.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom092/IMG_5278.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom092/IMG_5314.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Outback in Idaho on January 26, 2013, 05:27:32 AM
(http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab66/Xelkos/Xemoticon/cow_cheer.gif) SEXY! (http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab66/Xelkos/Xemoticon/thhubba.gif)

How does the texture feel? Smooth, semi-gritty?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 26, 2013, 05:30:02 AM
I'd say it feels almost exactly the same as anodizing does, for sure not gritty.  It's much nicer than I was expecting it to be actually.  I couldn't get orange anodizing so this was a great option to get nice bright orange.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on January 26, 2013, 06:05:00 AM
very nice!!!   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on January 26, 2013, 06:31:02 AM
That looks great.  I love that electrical blade.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 26, 2013, 10:08:36 AM
What happened to the black screws? :o
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 26, 2013, 12:41:06 PM
What happened to the black screws? :o

The customer preferred the stainless.  I like both.   :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: plk7 on January 26, 2013, 01:36:58 PM
i like the orange!  may have to pick up some of those from you in the future!
-prashanth
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on January 26, 2013, 01:43:57 PM
Really turned out well - great colour for a "don't lose it in the woods" SAK too :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Outback in Idaho on January 26, 2013, 01:49:01 PM
Now to 1 Up that, how about an orange & black camouflaged-look scale.  :D
Or orange flames on a black scale. Not sure if that cerakot can be painted on and mixed along side other colors or not.

When someone sees something that sexy it much makes your mind wonder. I like your new avatar photo!  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 26, 2013, 03:37:47 PM
Now to 1 Up that, how about an orange & black camouflaged-look scale.  :D
Or orange flames on a black scale. Not sure if that cerakot can be painted on and mixed along side other colors or not.

When someone sees something that sexy it much makes your mind wonder. I like your new avatar photo!  :D

I've seen some camo work of Jeff's, but I dont know how hard it is to do, or what kind of options there are.  Id for sure go for some standard forest camo look though.  Next is OD green, lots of people want the OD green and my anodize green is more of a forest green, than OD.  I also want to pocket carry one of these for awhile to see how it holds up.  My guess it it wont chip, but will scratch up with keys, coins etc.   

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 26, 2013, 10:54:24 PM
Ive still been calling the cerakote SAK an alox, but I guess it technically isnt anymore since there no ox.

Aluminum Oxide -> ALOX

Alumnium Cerakote -> ALCE ?  ALUCE?  CEAL?  Doenst have the same ring to it... hmmm
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on January 26, 2013, 11:27:05 PM
How about a portmanteau of sorts? I'll throw this one in: "ceraminum" or "ceraminium"
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Outback in Idaho on January 26, 2013, 11:29:28 PM
CERALOX  :tu:

CERAkote ALuminum OXide
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 26, 2013, 11:41:11 PM
Ceralox has a nice ring to it.   I guess the 'lox' makes it identifiable as a modded alox that way too.  So a brass scaled alox could be a brasalox, titanium would be tiox.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MARIOS7319 on January 27, 2013, 11:29:24 PM
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom092/IMG_5311.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom092/IMG_5302.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom092/IMG_5281.jpg)


SO BEAUTIFUL !!!

 :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: EddieEnzyme on January 28, 2013, 05:41:59 PM
Ive still been calling the cerakote SAK an alox, but I guess it technically isnt anymore since there no ox.

Aluminum Oxide -> ALOX

Alumnium Cerakote -> ALCE ?  ALUCE?  CEAL?  Doenst have the same ring to it... hmmm

ALUKOTE!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 29, 2013, 08:17:42 PM
Here's some more orange Ceralox! Enki's favorite color!  This one is without keyring and with black oxide screws.  I really didnt expect to like the cerakote so much but I really do.  These will look sick with some black oxide tools.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom093/IMG_5327.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom093/IMG_5329.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom093/IMG_5334.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom093/IMG_5337.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom093/IMG_5340.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 29, 2013, 08:20:23 PM
Now we're talkin'!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on January 29, 2013, 09:19:11 PM
My eyes hurt. :ahhh

There! You've done it. I'm staying away from this thread or awhile. :rant:


:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mimifred on January 29, 2013, 09:25:30 PM
Pffff I was in love with red alox, now it is with cerakote....

It would be so Nice with black screws AND tools... I définitly would want one of that !!

Kind of make me think about this car :
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 29, 2013, 09:43:57 PM
I'm doing black tools and springs soon.  I just never seem to get the time to prep the parts for the BO.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on January 29, 2013, 11:50:29 PM
I'm doing black tools and springs soon.  I just never seem to get the time to prep the parts for the BO.
:pok: :pok: ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 30, 2013, 12:10:14 AM
I'm doing black tools and springs soon.  I just never seem to get the time to prep the parts for the BO.
:pok: :pok: ;)

I know I know!  The problem is those springs I got made up need a significant amount of sanding to be usable like a good half hour each, so I have to prepare them all to that level for BO'ing, as well as sand the stock ones to the same level so they texture match... so basically its like 10 hours of sanding ahead of me just to do the BO run...  I haven't been super excited to get that done, but I will start! 

I did ask more about his process last time I was in though.  He sandblasts to surface prep... I guess that helps expose the surface on stainless.  Maybe Vic BO skips that step since their BO well.. isnt very good as you know.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 30, 2013, 12:13:09 AM
I'm anxiously looking forward to your custom 91mm alox scales. This range bursts of available tools. :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MARIOS7319 on January 30, 2013, 03:10:33 PM
Me too.  :D
The 91mm alox scales will open endless variations of new cool SAK's.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 30, 2013, 03:13:34 PM
What do you think would be better for 91mm alox.  Scales that are the same as the cellidor, that you press on, or more like 93mm alox with exposed holes?

I can see pros and cons to both.

The con of just pressing on alox scales is that the inner liners arent upgraded to alox style nickel silver.  The pro is its easy and anyone can do it.

The con of exposed screws or rivets is that its no longer a DIY job for anyone except people with tools.  The pro is that it looks nicer and you have to take the SAK apart so liners can get upgraded too...

Oh also exposed type means the SAK will be 2 liners thinner since we no longer need the outer liners under the scales.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 30, 2013, 03:20:53 PM
Alox style definitely.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MARIOS7319 on January 30, 2013, 03:23:34 PM
Alox style also for me.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 30, 2013, 03:26:49 PM
Ya that makes sense.  I agree. 

It wont be exactly symmetrical like a 93, but I would expose the end pivots and the backtool pivot, and keep the hinge pin hidden.  I think that's the best a 91mm will ever look dressed in alox :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on January 30, 2013, 03:33:46 PM
I'd like to see if/how well a cellidor scale model would work with those torx pins of yours. I may have to give that a shot once I get my modding legs. I can already tell from practicing that I'm not going to be a huge fan of peening
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on January 31, 2013, 12:44:15 AM
I'd want the exposed Alox type too, especially if it means you can easily DIY stuff :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on January 31, 2013, 01:48:22 AM
Maybe the possibility of both? Sounds weird I know but I have an idea. Pm me and I will explain I you like :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on January 31, 2013, 01:49:23 AM
Maybe the possibility of both? Sounds weird I know but I have an idea. Pm me and I will explain I you like :)
Nevermind. Brain fart lol
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 31, 2013, 03:13:59 PM
I picked up a florist SAK a while back for the sheepsfoot blade.  The idea is that I want to make an alox whittler and figured I'd give that blade a try.

PTRSAK already said the pivot hole was larger than normal, and it sure it.  Must be somewhere around 3.5mm or a bit bigger even as my 1/8 pivots are too small.

Anyways, so this means it needs a bushing.  I took some 1/8 brass rod stock and put it through and beat it until it spread out and filled the gap.  No need to peen if you try this, just hit flat and hard as you want to mushroom the pin itself inside the gap.  I trimmed the ends off with my jewelers saw and then sanded flush.  Now to carefully drill a hole the right size and we're in business.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=44059;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 31, 2013, 03:46:51 PM
Wow, that looks super clean.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on January 31, 2013, 04:05:28 PM
very usefull info Robert! i was planning to open my gardener but i have no pins for that, i kwon it now  ;) 

 :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on January 31, 2013, 04:08:44 PM
I picked up a florist SAK a while back for the sheepsfoot blade.  The idea is that I want to make an alox whittler and figured I'd give that blade a try.

PTRSAK already said the pivot hole was larger than normal, and it sure it.  Must be somewhere around 3.5mm or a bit bigger even as my 1/8 pivots are too small.

Anyways, so this means it needs a bushing.  I took some 1/8 brass rod stock and put it through and beat it until it spread out and filled the gap.  No need to peen if you try this, just hit flat and hard as you want to mushroom the pin itself inside the gap.  I trimmed the ends off with my jewelers saw and then sanded flush.  Now to carefully drill a hole the right size and we're in business.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=44059;image)
That is an awesome sheepsfoot blade.  Is it possible to still buy them?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HankSolon on January 31, 2013, 04:14:11 PM
That is an awesome sheepsfoot blade.  Is it possible to still buy them?

Even in pink (http://www.schweizer-messer.eu/Victorinox_Okuliermesser_und_Hakenmesser/Victorinox_Blumenmesser_pink/3905053.html)  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on January 31, 2013, 04:17:34 PM
4 hole alox style would be just fine!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on January 31, 2013, 04:21:37 PM
The other benefit of the Alox type scales for a 91 is the reduced thickness.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 31, 2013, 04:27:02 PM
That is an awesome sheepsfoot blade.  Is it possible to still buy them?

Yep i grabbed this of ebay, but Im sure amazon has them too.  $15 or so I think I paid.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 01, 2013, 05:51:31 PM
Here are a couple more new parts I made up last night. 

Technician long screw driver from can opener.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5470_zps3a6f34ec.jpg)

And serrated 93mm blade, for a dual bladed SAK with one plain edge and one serrated blade.  I did this freehand and it turned out way better than I expected.  Sharpened on my sharpmaker and it tears through cardboard, so Im happy with the result!

I have a bunch of solo blades from back in the early days when I bought solos as spring donors to put scissors on.  So I think those blades will all turn into serrated blades.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5485_zps82c28ece.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5478_zps03621303.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on February 01, 2013, 05:53:58 PM
That is so awesome!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sir_mike on February 01, 2013, 06:26:41 PM
I love the serrated blades!  :tu:

It would be so nice to get a 2 layer sak with both plain and serrated blades.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on February 01, 2013, 07:03:47 PM
Brilliant bit of tool repurposing there :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 01, 2013, 07:05:37 PM
I love the serrated blades!  :tu:

It would be so nice to get a 2 layer sak with both plain and serrated blades.

Exactly what I was thinking.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 01, 2013, 07:08:08 PM
That serrated is NICE! :tu: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on February 01, 2013, 07:10:27 PM
Robert, you inspired me. I'll do this to a MyFirst Blade and incorporate it into a super Cadet. >:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 01, 2013, 07:13:41 PM
Robert, you inspired me. I'll do this to a MyFirst Blade and incorporate it into a super Cadet. >:D

Good use of a myfirst blade too!  I have a few of those from buying economy my firsts to get the 84mm saws.

I clamped the blade in a vice then used a diamond drum dremel bit.  I tried a small one first but the serrations were too small.  I think I could have gone bigger, more swiss tool rescue blade size, but the size I did works fine.

(http://di1-3.shoppingshadow.com/images/pi/e1/7b/c7/103249515-260x260-0-0_Dremel+Diamond+Wheel+Points+Style+Cutter+Diam+3+16.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on February 01, 2013, 07:33:54 PM
Fro what I know a serrated blade is not V-shaped. Did you grind the backside flat first?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 01, 2013, 07:37:43 PM
Nope those are just drum cuts made at about a 20 degree angle from one side only.  You will get a big bur on the other side, that I then ground off when my belt sander, the just sharpened it on the sharpmaker.  I will clean up the goovs by wet sanding them with a small mandrel and fine grit, then they can be polished.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on February 01, 2013, 08:14:02 PM
I made up a possible toolset for a Cadet in my thread (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,40005.msg685854.html#msg685854). :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: KDX on February 02, 2013, 12:59:33 AM
I love the serrated blades!  :tu:

It would be so nice to get a 2 layer sak with both plain and serrated blades.

Exactly what I was thinking.  :tu:
I wonder what a large plain blade and a small serrated would look like.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on February 02, 2013, 01:41:42 AM
I'm lucky in that I have a Serrated Recruit blade sitting in my parts box, I've been planning to get that fitted into a Plain&Serrated two blader too.

 :think: Or it could go into a 91mm along with the florist blade, now there is an interesting toolset.

Small-----------Large
Cap Lifter-----Sheepsfoot
Saw
Serrated--------Can Opener

No idea how springs would work out with this
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on February 06, 2013, 02:36:09 AM
I missed this great thread for a while. Lots of super cool things going on, Robert! :salute:

 :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on February 08, 2013, 12:32:11 AM
I was thinking, it would be cool for some of our heavy modders (i.e. Syph) to stock up on Pioneers etc in lieu of the changes luming at Vic.  Not that I suspect the Pioneer to be discontinued but you never know.  Bottom line is I'd hate to see all these cool mods to cease because of lack of scales.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 08, 2013, 01:03:21 AM
I was thinking, it would be cool for some of our heavy modders (i.e. Syph) to stock up on Pioneers etc in lieu of the changes luming at Vic.  Not that I suspect the Pioneer to be discontinued but you never know.  Bottom line is I'd hate to see all these cool mods to cease because of lack of scales.

I keep buying 10 more pioneers when Im out of one color run, so I seem to have about a 50 pioneer float at any given time.  :D  I try not to mentally add up how much money Ive got tied up in parts, but I like to be stocked up so there isnt much choice.

Now.. if they do kill off the alox all together, I do have a plan B.  What I would do it make my own alox scales and springs, and then just use tools from 91mm SAKs to build them.  The only parts Id really have no source of any longer would be the inline awl, but I could make one up if needed.  Regardless as long as I can mill Al, anodize it and make springs there will always be alox scaled SAKs as long as im still modding.  :D 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 08, 2013, 07:13:56 PM
Ok I got to thinking about the SAK parts, and I do have quite a few.  :D

I keep all my parts in plastic bins.  These are all new parts, I have a bucket of used msc parts out in the shop that I use for experimenting, but only use the good stuff for building customs.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_5663_zps00211307.jpg)

The stack on the left are each a different scale color. The rest are all parts.

Here are the 91mm parts.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_5668_zpse3906816.jpg)

And here are the 93mm goodies.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_5652_zps28f9f598.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_5651_zpsc79bfced.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_5650_zps9cd4ba4c.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_5649_zpsc663d6fc.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_5648_zps53c92c69.jpg)

I have a tackle box where I keep all my 84mm parts, and other msc parts like my colored liners and some special scales for personal projects.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_5654_zps1dff959b.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_5660_zps61810621.jpg)

So many parts to make cool things I just need more time! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on February 08, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
DAT LINERS.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on February 08, 2013, 07:20:10 PM
I'm starting to think you have more Victorinox parts than Victorinox themselves  :P
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on February 08, 2013, 07:28:42 PM
That's actually similar to how they lay the parts out before them in the factory.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WiSAKfan on February 08, 2013, 08:15:56 PM
great to see all those parts like that, thanks for the pics!

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wootz on February 08, 2013, 09:36:57 PM
Awesome mate  :tu: :tu:

Interesting project in the top right of your tackle box..  ::)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on February 08, 2013, 09:38:28 PM
Love those Alox scales!  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: borgwarrior on February 08, 2013, 10:29:00 PM
DAT LINERS.
^
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 09, 2013, 02:31:46 AM
Against my better judgement, Im fitting a layer of plastic parts onto on alox frame.  That lite module is a horrid piece of flimsy junk.  It cant be its made in switzerland, no way. 

Maybe they were prizes in swiss cereal boxes and after one particular bad bender, and while eating morning cereal and nursing a headache, the idea to put one in a swiss army knife was born.    :rofl:

Seriously though, plastic parts on an alox SAK...  ??? When I finish this mod I wont ever be using one of the lite modules again, but I may build one with a metal frame in the future.  Although really is there any need for a light in a SAK where there are a large variety of keychain flashlights available...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_5674_zpsbd177744.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_5677_zps782dc6cc.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_5679_zpsd6ea891e.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on February 09, 2013, 02:50:43 AM
I wonder if one of those lite modules can be modified to have better light output...mod the mod? I've heard of doing the same to keychain lights. The fly in the ointment with having a light on the SAK though: what do you do when you need both the light and the tool?  :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: timcarouge on February 09, 2013, 06:46:12 PM
I guess you position it facing the direction with the tools you are most likely to use in the dark. It seems to me having a led light built into such a small space is better than having another big, bulky penlight outside your SAK. That said, I have considered having Syph007 add this more versatile led light to a custom SAK http://www.photonlight.com/led-flashlights/photon-freedom-micro-led-keychain-flashlight/
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HankSolon on February 09, 2013, 08:28:58 PM
Lol, that price is ridiculous.

Such a lamp is << .50$ in manufactoring costs.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on February 09, 2013, 08:51:16 PM
Lol, that price is ridiculous.

Such a lamp is << .50$ in manufactoring costs.

Nope. :D The Photon Freedom is far more than a simple fauxton keychain light (only a 5mm LED and 2 CR2016 batteries). It has an actual user interface, different modes, dimming, ...



 @timcarouge

Welcome to the forum. :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 10, 2013, 04:27:37 AM
Tonight's project was a farmer with metal saw layer added.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom097/IMG_5698_zpsf366622a.jpg)

I decided this is the best layer arrangement for putting the dual saws on a 93mm alox.

Blade
Wood saw
Metal saw

All the nail nicks are perfectly accessible, and I also prefer as many tools as possible to open on the main blade side as it makes sense if you lanyard carry.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom097/IMG_5690_zps42a14386.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wootz on February 10, 2013, 09:47:41 AM
I love that tool setup mucho! Great mod  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on February 10, 2013, 01:30:57 PM
Very nice. I like the Vic metal saw. One of the better ones found on any multitool.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiljentaa on February 10, 2013, 05:18:54 PM
Oooooh, I like that last one a lot, Syph. Would be a fantastic hiking/camping SAK.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Corso on February 11, 2013, 11:37:17 AM
Oooooh, I like that last one a lot, Syph. Would be a fantastic hiking/camping SAK.

That's my baby, and that's the plan.  I'll be pairing it with a Leatherman S2 for outdoors/hiking duty.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on February 11, 2013, 02:24:56 PM
I need to quit looking at this thread...the more I do, the more I end up jonesing for mine.  :climber:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on February 11, 2013, 06:13:02 PM
I told you in a PM but I will post it here as well for the benefit of all. I am very glad I have been here to see your work from the begining. I have the pleasure to own a few of your early mods in this thread. I hope you stay at it a long time...to the displeasure of my wallet and my wife. We have lost to many talented modders.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 12, 2013, 06:30:53 AM
Shhh... top secret stuff here... I just finished up 'The Detective'. :D

It turned out pretty cool in the end, even with the plastic parts.

It was a huge pain getting that light module fit on though. Its so fragile I had to use some metal parts on the side to actually support it or it would crush itself on the strong metal backsprings.  This way the load is taken up by the side metal parts instead of the plastic body.

Oh also it was 0.015 too wide to work with dual opener springs, so I shaved 0.008 off each side of the plastic body and then it fit just right.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom098/IMG_5752_zpsee868573.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom098/IMG_5752b_zps5d71bffa.jpg)

Let there be light.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom098/IMG_5756_zps9e4e113d.jpg)

And some finale pics.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom098/IMG_5766_zps2374c554.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom098/IMG_5763_zps7db57e4d.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom098/IMG_5773_zpsc355a4fa.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom098/IMG_5776_zps0fb2812b.jpg)

It was impossible to photograph, but if I have the blade extended and light on, it actually made a pretty decent tool to cut stuff in the dark with.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom098/IMG_5786_zps401a3bc0.jpg)

Cheers
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on February 12, 2013, 10:24:06 AM
It's a little plasticy, but still fun and as always, good work :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on February 12, 2013, 03:15:14 PM
I like it.  Looks to be quite useful  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Vladimir on February 12, 2013, 03:42:03 PM
Nice one!
Excellent work as usual.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiljentaa on February 12, 2013, 06:03:00 PM
Lovely!

I will relish the day that someone modifies a Photon style light into SAK-compatible metal housing for mods.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on February 19, 2013, 07:48:53 AM
That is a pretty mad mod, really.  I just finished the S1 and S2 run of Sherlock and the sak would make a great tool for S3!

Make it so!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 20, 2013, 04:37:04 AM
A blue cadet with scissors and a pocket clip!  Knifekits sells these very small steel clips that just suit a cadet size perfect I think.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom099/IMG_5797_zpsd0f6101f.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom099/IMG_5800_zpsab0fb8b4.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom099/IMG_5803_zpsae957be5.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom099/IMG_5814_zps8dad3d5b.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom099/IMG_5816_zps1b0f47ca.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom099/IMG_5819_zps844486f1.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on February 20, 2013, 05:17:19 AM
Love that shade of blue, sweet mod as always.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on February 20, 2013, 06:26:17 AM
Are there also clips available for the 93mm?
Great work there, very  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on February 20, 2013, 07:48:17 AM
Wow. I'm really liking that Blue Cadet with scissors and clip.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Heywood Floyd on February 20, 2013, 08:49:26 AM
I'm finding it impossible to see a modded Alox in this thread by Syph007 that I actually don't like. :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 20, 2013, 09:35:49 AM
Are there also clips available for the 93mm?
Great work there, very  :drool:

Yup Im loving these little clips and I think they'd work great on 93s too.  Thats a knifekits one and they come black too.

(http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/images/squirt_clip_bk_1_600.jpg)

So I see a orange ceralox with black liner, and black screws and clip next.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on February 20, 2013, 09:46:50 AM
I can see that too :tu:

Knifekits do some great parts - I've had a few of their low rider To clips which are very nice.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Heywood Floyd on February 20, 2013, 09:58:26 AM
Please add that to my spec list :-)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wootz on February 20, 2013, 10:35:43 AM
A blue cadet with scissors and a pocket clip!  Knifekits sells these very small steel clips that just suit a cadet size perfect I think.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom099/IMG_5814_zps8dad3d5b.jpg)


"EveryDayCadet"  :gimme: Please tell me it's mine?

Great work, Dr.Syph!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 20, 2013, 03:25:25 PM

"EveryDayCadet"  :gimme: Please tell me it's mine?

Great work, Dr.Syph!

Yep that is yours! :D  It's going to the post office as soon as the snow subsides here and I shovel out. :D  That little pocket clip worked out just perfect.  I ordered another 10 in for other work as I know lots of other people are going to want them now too.  Its not in the way at all to use any of the tools.  That other one you had sent with it would have felt too big for sure.  So all in all, I think you'll like it.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on February 20, 2013, 03:27:54 PM
Did you use stock liners on this Cadet? These look thinner than yours.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 20, 2013, 03:34:53 PM
Yep those are vic liners.  They work ok, but I do find them on the thin side for building up multilayer mods, and it takes extra care on assembly as they sure bend easy.  My modded scissor layer has alot more spring force than a normal layer too.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wootz on February 20, 2013, 03:51:19 PM
O dear,  you forgot to use thicker c260 brass liners..
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 20, 2013, 04:11:59 PM
Doh you are right, I forgot you wanted brass!  Stay tuned for a brass liner swap out and update. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wootz on February 20, 2013, 04:20:54 PM
Doh you are right, I forgot you wanted brass!  Stay tuned for a brass liner swap out and update. :D

No hurries  :D 

Edit: actually I prefer nickelsilver. Brass is fine too.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on February 20, 2013, 04:28:11 PM
You're aware that the stock liners are nickel silver?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wootz on February 20, 2013, 05:10:43 PM
Thin stuff, I'm worried about that with an extra scissors layer.
Might as well go the extra mile and start over.. ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on February 20, 2013, 05:44:51 PM
A blue cadet with scissors and a pocket clip!  Knifekits sells these very small steel clips that just suit a cadet size perfect I think.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom099/IMG_5797_zpsd0f6101f.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom099/IMG_5800_zpsab0fb8b4.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom099/IMG_5803_zpsae957be5.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom099/IMG_5814_zps8dad3d5b.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom099/IMG_5816_zps1b0f47ca.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom099/IMG_5819_zps844486f1.jpg)

QFB (Quoted for beauty)

Robert, is that your anodizing?  That blue is spectacular.  :drool:  Beautiful mod too.

I get the impression that you are able to manufacture brass liners.  Is that possibly true?
 :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on February 20, 2013, 06:22:11 PM
I believe that's the factory anodizing judging by the shield still being a contrasting color. All of Syph's anodized scales that I've seen here have been solid color throughout (though he may have a few irons in the fire for that too). Still, as I said before, that's a great shade of blue there.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 20, 2013, 07:05:58 PM
Yep that's Vic blue.  Mine is very slightly darker.

And yep I make my own brass and colored Al liners.  Brass always looks nice IMO.  The anodized colored liners look good for accent too.  Black scales with red liners is an awesome look.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on February 20, 2013, 07:36:03 PM
Yep that's Vic blue.  Mine is very slightly darker.

And yep I make my own brass and colored Al liners.  Brass always looks nice IMO.  The anodized colored liners look good for accent too.  Black scales with red liners is an awesome look.


I have to agree. Black scales and Red liners looks tops.  :tu: I think Black Scales with Blue Liners would look great as well. Wouldn't stand out as much, but I think it would look good. Dang I need a Syph Custom.  :ahhh Just for reference can you PM me a General price on a 91mm with scissors and colored scales (undecided on color) and colored liners (undecided on color)?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on February 20, 2013, 08:22:25 PM
Now we're talking. :drool: That looks really cool. I like darker shades of blue much more. :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on February 20, 2013, 08:50:01 PM
ooo very nice!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on February 20, 2013, 10:45:20 PM
Such good stuff - having the choice of all these colour combos is spoiling us! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: invitus on February 23, 2013, 05:04:53 PM
Very impressive mod we have here..wish I were near u to check it myself in person..email send sir  :tu:

..btw Hi,this is my 1st post...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on February 23, 2013, 07:10:39 PM
Very impressive mod we have here..wish I were near u to check it myself in person..email send sir  :tu:

..btw Hi,this is my 1st post...

Hi to you too :D

We have a new members area: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/board,23.0.html
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: invitus on February 23, 2013, 07:39:15 PM
cool :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiljentaa on February 24, 2013, 03:59:22 PM
 :drool:

That latest Cadet is so good.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 25, 2013, 01:25:03 AM
I finished my 100th custom alox SAK build tonight, and it is a big fat 5 layer monster!  The spring tension in this sucker was significant.  Popping the final scale on required my bench vice.

I tried so many different ways of fitting all these tools in, and this was the best I could come up with.  Only the electrician blade is a bit hard to get to with the inside nail nick, but the rest are all good.  I wanted to put the eblade with the phillips but it was way too long and hit the phillips head. 

I will recommend the customer to sheath carry, or get reinforced pockets! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom100/IMG_6035_zps096a4dfe.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom100/IMG_6041_zpsa93b03f1.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom100/IMG_6046_zps7b7504ba.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom100/IMG_6047_zps15d47d61.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom100/IMG_6055_zps09438ddd.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom100/IMG_6062_zps4fc8d7ae.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on February 25, 2013, 02:25:00 AM
 :tu: :tu:  What a beast.

Should have been some commemoration of being 100th mod.

If you'd had your crystal ball working and predicted the colour of scales it was going to be you could have got #100 engraved on the panel before Anodizing.


Oh, and stunning work as usual.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on February 25, 2013, 02:32:18 AM
Congrats on the 100th.  :drink:  Looks great as always. 5 layers is chunky.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Outback in Idaho on February 25, 2013, 02:32:45 AM
I finished my 100th custom alox SAK build tonight, and it is a big fat 5 layer monster!  The spring tension in this sucker was significant.  Popping the final scale on required my bench vice.

I tried so many different ways of fitting all these tools in, and this was the best I could come up with.  Only the electrician blade is a bit hard to get to with the inside nail nick, but the rest are all good.  I wanted to put the eblade with the phillips but it was way too long and hit the phillips head. 

I will recommend the customer to sheath carry, or get reinforced pockets! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom100/IMG_6062_zps4fc8d7ae.jpg)

  That's one awlsome tool! :o Looks a tad on the heavy side though.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on February 25, 2013, 03:25:37 AM
Wow!  I would have never thought the bottle opener and inline Phillips would work together.  Extremely cool! 8)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on February 25, 2013, 03:30:38 AM
I guess this thing eats other SAKs. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on February 25, 2013, 04:05:35 AM
Did you end up using center drilled Ti rod with this one or your pivot trick?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 25, 2013, 05:04:22 AM
Did you end up using center drilled Ti rod with this one or your pivot trick?

Ah no I haven't tried that yet.  I just went with my spliced pins again.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on February 25, 2013, 07:34:39 PM
:think: It's not THAT big.


You can do BIGGER. :pok:


:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 01, 2013, 04:53:33 AM
It was getting a bit out of hand to try to find the main posts of this thread so I put together some links of highlights since I started.  With enki's help it's now in the very first post of this thread.   :tu:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg562670.html#msg562670

It should help for some key point navigation.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 01, 2013, 04:55:58 AM
It was getting a bit out of hand to try to find the main posts of this thread so I put together some links of highlights since I started.  With enki's help it's now in the very first post of this thread.   :tu:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg562670.html#msg562670

It should help for some key point navigation.
COOL!  :tu: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Heywood Floyd on March 01, 2013, 06:22:25 AM
The highlight links are useful. Thanks for doing that.  :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on March 01, 2013, 09:57:55 AM
That's a splendid bit of organisation :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on March 01, 2013, 02:17:22 PM
If that big honker doesn't have everything you need, then I'm not sure what to tell you  :climber: x 4
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kkokkolis on March 01, 2013, 04:28:28 PM
:think: It's not THAT big.


You can do BIGGER. :pok:


:D

Yes. Both saws for example, or even a Cybertool.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 01, 2013, 04:30:05 PM
:think: It's not THAT big.


You can do BIGGER. :pok:


:D

Yes. Both saws for example, or even a Cybertool.

Yup im making a 12 layer that will have the cybertool driver too.  :D  Alox giant!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Vladimir on March 01, 2013, 04:39:46 PM
Really excellent work!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 01, 2013, 04:43:21 PM
:think: It's not THAT big.


You can do BIGGER. :pok:


:D

Yes. Both saws for example, or even a Cybertool.

Yup im making a 12 layer that will have the cybertool driver too.  :D  Alox giant!

In that case, you GOTTA get the Wenger chain breaker in there somewhere... :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on March 01, 2013, 04:45:53 PM
(http://www.wengerna.com/stuff/contentmgr/files/0/a45137daa224e9531cb3050458faee64/image/wenger_giant_knife.png)

Try that on for size  :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on March 01, 2013, 04:58:20 PM
(http://www.wengerna.com/stuff/contentmgr/files/0/a45137daa224e9531cb3050458faee64/image/wenger_giant_knife.png)

Try that on for size  :pok:
Imagine the modding potential ...  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: twiliter on March 02, 2013, 12:08:07 AM

I will recommend the customer to sheath carry, or get reinforced pockets! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom100/IMG_6055_zps09438ddd.jpg)

That beauty, even without a corkscrew, would be a terminal EDC if I had it. Awesome toolset, and great work!

Wow...  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 02, 2013, 01:24:49 AM
My CPM 154 blades came back from heat treat today.  They will clean up nice and then I can come up with some cool mods to use them for.   :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20blades/IMG_6072_zpsba442f52.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: firiki on March 02, 2013, 01:39:03 AM
Congrantulations on your 100th alox mod Syph007. Really looking good.  :hatsoff: Great alox fan here
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Schneider on March 02, 2013, 10:54:40 PM
I've been reading through this thread and I'm speechless. :o Very cool work you do.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 03, 2013, 01:25:12 AM
My CPM 154 blades came back from heat treat today.  They will clean up nice and then I can come up with some cool mods to use them for.   :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20blades/IMG_6072_zpsba442f52.jpg)

Did you do the grinding and drilling work?  Very cool idea there...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 03, 2013, 01:45:27 AM
No those were done by another blade smith as payment for a SAK mod.  One of the clip points is for his mod that is a dual spring model with the thick clip point blade down the center, then a combo tool and awl on the other side.   Ive already done the fit up for it, and it will be a pretty cool mod.

For my blades I know I want to make a modern Vic version of a stockman, plus more tools.  Other than that I hadnt quite figured out what I was going to use them all for yet.

Ive gotten alot better at hand grinding metal since I started and I feel Im ready to cut and shape my own blades next though, which is why Im going to bite the bullet and get some nice Damasteel to try.
Title: Ti Vic
Post by: DeanJ on March 06, 2013, 03:58:40 AM
This has been a recurring image in my dreams:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Urban%20Pioneer/IMG_3644.jpg)

What could it mean?


 :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on March 06, 2013, 04:16:53 AM
That your wallet is about to get a tad lighter?  :climber:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on March 06, 2013, 04:41:12 AM
That's a pretty big tad...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 06, 2013, 09:59:50 PM
Here is my latest victim.. er mod.  A SB copper lumberjack was the scale donor to create this copper cadet with scissors and pocket clip.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom101/IMG_6180_zps243c6e68.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom101/IMG_6167_zpsad8a83d6.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom101/IMG_6163_zps574a7355.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom101/IMG_6159_zps7ecb0ac7.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on March 06, 2013, 10:26:09 PM
It might be the way the light's hitting it, but those scales seem to have a sort of iridescent glow to them. Not quite my style, but I like it nonetheless. Great work, as always...makes me look forward to when mine comes up to the plate  :gimme:  :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiljentaa on March 07, 2013, 01:44:51 AM
Oh goodness. That one is excellent!

Did you fabricate the clip or purchase it somewhere?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 07, 2013, 01:52:35 AM
Oh goodness. That one is excellent!

Did you fabricate the clip or purchase it somewhere?

Its a knife kits one.  Very small and suits the cadet quite well.  Any larger and it really gets in the way when using the knife.

They come in black TiNi or the stainless.

(http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/images/squirt_clip_1_600.jpg)

(http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/images/squirt_clip_bk_1_600.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 15, 2013, 10:10:53 PM
I was asked by Doug Ritter, the Chairman of Kniferights.org if I wanted to contribute a custom SAK for the 2013 fundraising auction.  I was tickled to have my simple work up there with the big boys of the knife industry, so I figured I should donate something nice. 

So I put together a fully Ti converted urban pioneer.  This one got the benefit of carbide impregnated Ti liners.  I'm going to call it 'anti-galling' technology!  Without it, Ti and steel can gall and feel 'sticky'  This is the first time I've actually used my cabidizer, but I couldn't be happier with how well it worked out.  The tools move super smooth and no galling at all.

I forgot to take progress pics to show the carbidizing process, but I am also building a Ti cadet with saw and scissors, so I will take pictures when I carbidize the liners for that build.

And.. some pics!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom104/IMG_6305.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom104/IMG_6295.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom104/IMG_6292.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom104/IMG_6287.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom104/IMG_6283.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rickinFL on March 15, 2013, 10:23:25 PM
That pretty much sums up my dream knife
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on March 15, 2013, 10:34:19 PM
Way to get noticed Syph. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 15, 2013, 10:55:01 PM
What an honor!  Congrats!  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on March 15, 2013, 11:48:45 PM
That's one beautiful knife Robert!!  Congrats on being asked, your work really does deserve to be noticed and recognized!!  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on March 16, 2013, 12:40:03 AM
WOW!   :drool:  Expect some big bids on that one  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on March 16, 2013, 12:41:20 AM
Outstanding. Now if you could somehow stamp the Vic shield on this sucker... :angel:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiljentaa on March 16, 2013, 01:58:16 AM
Oh my word. That is incredible. :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 16, 2013, 02:37:24 AM
Outstanding. Now if you could somehow stamp the Vic shield on this sucker... :angel:

I have a new idea for this issue.  I was researching how blade makers do the stamp in their blades to put their mark on before heat treating.  Well there is a neat company that makes the stamps for 80 bucks from tool steel.  You use a jack press (I think 2 ton would work) and press the mark into the blade.  Now since Ti and Al are soft I dont see why that wont work.  I would just get a + made up I think.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 16, 2013, 03:08:41 AM
This was a two mod build day, and here is the second. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom105/IMG_6342.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom105/IMG_6321.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom105/IMG_6319.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom105/IMG_6307.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom105/IMG_6335.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom105/IMG_6332.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Heywood Floyd on March 16, 2013, 03:29:59 AM
★ ★ ★ ★ ★  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wootz on March 16, 2013, 09:14:00 AM
I was asked by Doug Ritter, the Chairman of Kniferights.org if I wanted to contribute a custom SAK for the 2013 fundraising auction.  I was tickled to have my simple work up there with the big boys of the knife industry, so I figured I should donate something nice. 

So I put together a fully Ti converted urban pioneer.  This one got the benefit of carbide impregnated Ti liners.  I'm going to call it 'anti-galling' technology!  Without it, Ti and steel can gall and feel 'sticky'  This is the first time I've actually used my cabidizer, but I couldn't be happier with how well it worked out.  The tools move super smooth and no galling at all.

I forgot to take progress pics to show the carbidizing process, but I am also building a Ti cadet with saw and scissors, so I will take pictures when I carbidize the liners for that build.


Respect!  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on March 16, 2013, 10:01:26 AM
This was a two mod build day, and here is the second. :D

So this request wanted the scissors to open like the blade?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Heywood Floyd on March 16, 2013, 10:23:37 AM
This was a two mod build day, and here is the second. :D

So this request wanted the scissors to open like the blade?
Yes, I wanted the scissors, like the blade, to be farthest from the lanyard attachment. They are intended to be the most used tools.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Grumpy on March 16, 2013, 11:18:07 AM
Both Wonderful, well done and grats on being asked to donate :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on March 16, 2013, 02:36:49 PM
While i can appreciate the hard and beautifully done work on the TI one - Which is a mighty fine example for the auction - I would go for tha black one any day as a user.

The TI one will raise some funds and soem attention, I´m sure.
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Post by: nuphoria on March 16, 2013, 02:51:54 PM
Awesome stuff Rob :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: DeanJ on March 23, 2013, 08:00:37 PM
Congratulations of your recognition!

Why does this sentence:


I am also building a Ti cadet with saw and scissors.


make my heart flutter?

 :SAKnight:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 23, 2013, 09:34:52 PM
Congratulations of your recognition!

Why does this sentence:


I am also building a Ti cadet with saw and scissors.


make my heart flutter?

 :SAKnight:

:D  Don't worry it's turning out nice. :D  Got all the parts rough cut out, now for the hours of sanding.
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Post by: Syph007 on March 29, 2013, 08:59:31 PM
I slaughtered another limited edition marlin spike.  None are safe!  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom108/IMG_6647.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom108/IMG_6643.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom108/IMG_6641.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 29, 2013, 09:19:55 PM
Beautiful job! JR
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Post by: nuphoria on March 29, 2013, 09:33:03 PM
Nice! :D

I don't think being precious about a limited edition makes much sense if unless you are keeping it as an investment. If it can be turned in to a tool you would use and get enjoyment from, makes sense to me :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 29, 2013, 09:38:23 PM
Nice! :D

I don't think being precious about a limited edition makes much sense if unless you are keeping it as an investment. If it can be turned in to a tool you would use and get enjoyment from, makes sense to me :tu:

Totally agree.  That one was ordered by a fellow who just immigrated to Canada as a present to himself.
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Post by: nuphoria on March 29, 2013, 09:42:03 PM
Superb gift to self :tu:
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Post by: sawman on March 29, 2013, 09:43:51 PM
I think she's a beauty, and if Victorinox would get off their ass and produce more than 50 at a time, there wouldn't be this limited issue crap  :rant:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 29, 2013, 10:21:37 PM
I think she's a beauty, and if Victorinox would get off their ass and produce more than 50 at a time, there wouldn't be this limited issue crap  :rant:

I know the marlin spikes are pretty cool, and Id love a few mods with them for myself.  I got one marlin spike old cross in a trade, but I dont want to cut that one apart.  And paying 70+ for a new Vic just because its limited I just wont do.  Now.. thats not to say I wouldnt make my own marlin spike someday though.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on March 29, 2013, 10:23:00 PM
I've only got one marlin spike too, and it's an old First Mate so I can't really justify tearing that one up! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on March 30, 2013, 10:40:24 AM
Great work as always Syph, one of these days when the money is more flowing, I am for sure gonna line up for an white cross Urban Pioneer.  The thickness of a farmer is just grand, but I want scissors instead o the saw!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 01, 2013, 03:40:58 AM
Cool, I was searching around the kniferights.org site and found the page that has my Ti urban pioneer donation.  :D

http://www.kniferights.org/2013prizes/lessard2013.htm

I dont think ultimate steel 2013 has officially started yet though, but Ive already got a bunch of emails asking for customs.

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Post by: Heywood Floyd on April 01, 2013, 04:28:15 AM
Congrats syph. Justified attention for outstanding skills.
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Post by: Syph007 on April 02, 2013, 08:45:21 PM
Ok here is a new little beauty that I just finished wrapping up.  84 Ti scale, brass liner voyageur!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom109/IMG_6654.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom109/IMG_6660.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom109/IMG_6663.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom109/IMG_6671.jpg)

Its the first time Ive gone brass liner with Ti scales, but it's quite a nice look I think.

Cheers!


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Dexter on April 02, 2013, 09:38:24 PM
Stunning! I presume it's rather light too considering only two layers and 84mm....  Lovely work!  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on April 03, 2013, 12:39:04 AM
Oh boy... not sure how you keep finding more gorgeousness, but you certainly are! :drool:
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Post by: stax on April 03, 2013, 08:14:21 AM
 :drool:  :gimme:  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on April 03, 2013, 03:08:29 PM
It definitely looks good with the brass liners!!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 04, 2013, 03:18:04 PM
Ah, here we go that ultimatesteel fundraiser started.   I see my lonely little SAK among the fancy knives in the list now. :D  I hope whomever wins it, likes it.

http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=179&Itemid=1#lessard
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on April 04, 2013, 03:25:19 PM
Excellent stuff Robert - you're amongst a bloody great line up of prized there :salute:
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Post by: papercut on April 04, 2013, 04:14:24 PM
If I won, there would only be a few things higher than your sak on the list- The rifle, the damascus Bowie (I am a sucker for it), and the hand forged knife (also a sucker).  So you would be #4 :) .  In fact, I might just pony up some scratch for the chance.

Cheers
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 06, 2013, 12:24:30 AM
I had more Ti work to do today so I needed to solve my Ti dust makes scary fires problem.

This 4x36 belt grinder is what I do most of my roughing work with and it had a plastic housing underneath that just really got in the way.  I ripped that off and bolted on a meat loaf pan from the dollar store and filled it with water.  Worked great as the hot Ti dust ended up in the water pan and no fires today! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Work/IMG_6683.jpg)

This project is a 4 layer full 84mm conversion.  Cadet with saw and scissors.  After I rough cut the scales and liners, I make a Ti sandwich and sand it all together. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Work/IMG_6687.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Work/IMG_6688.jpg)

Doing it this way is an nice way to make sure all the liners and scales mate up perfectly.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Work/IMG_6689.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Work/IMG_6690.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Work/IMG_6691.jpg)

And the result of lots of grinding.  Still needs surface finishing and scales need profiling though.  But at least I dont have to worry about Ti dust building up and combusting now. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Work/IMG_6696.jpg)
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Post by: DeanJ on April 06, 2013, 02:19:41 AM
Great work!

The thing that is really great about Bob is that he makes custom knives.  If you look around on the net, there are many knife makers, and knives, listed as 'custom.'  Just ask one of these makers to change a small detail on one of their designs.  They won't do it, and usually won't even respond to the request.  They are not custom knife makers.  They make high quality knives by hand, but they are not custom.

Want a knife out of certain materials, with certain colors, with certain...  Bob just says... OK, you got it.

I am going to need a second mortgage when he starts designing/creating his own tools.

I feel like a new parent, looking at ultra-sound pictures.

 :SAKnight:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: byksm on April 06, 2013, 03:45:10 AM
seems like you once mentioned the possibility of ti back springs.
any progress finding the proper alloy there?

id like to do a stripped down hiker, all in ti and carbon fiber...  ultralite hiker.

-p
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 06, 2013, 04:37:56 AM
seems like you once mentioned the possibility of ti back springs.
any progress finding the proper alloy there?

id like to do a stripped down hiker, all in ti and carbon fiber...  ultralite hiker.

-p

Im going to try making a blade backspring first and see how that goes.  I have the right thickness here to try.  I'll use the 4-6 alloy first and see how that goes.  Now that I can carbidize the springs I dont see a problem with making them.  Im curious if I make them the exact same profile if they will have more or less snap than stock ones.   :tu:

The nice thing about Ti is you can heat and bend fairly easily too.

I can see the appeal of an ultralight for backpacking for sure.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on April 07, 2013, 02:21:19 AM
Seems like you have new fans, welcome Dean and Byksm!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: DeanJ on April 08, 2013, 02:38:40 AM
Seems like you have new fans, welcome Dean and Byksm!

Thanks, I registered back in 2006, but never posted.  It took spreading reputation of Syph007, to draw me back.

 :SAKnight:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 09, 2013, 04:47:34 PM
It feels like I have a million things going on, but Im trying to make progress on all fronts at least.  I've been wanting to do a BO run for ages to see how that goes and I finally finished prepping all the parts for a test run.

Here's the before shot, hopefully the after one turns out. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Black%20Oxide/IMG_6700.jpg)
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Post by: stax on April 09, 2013, 08:18:37 PM
^ oh, this gonna be good.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on April 10, 2013, 08:59:48 AM
Here's a very different one from my typical jobs.  It was a request by a user with the use of only one hand.  He wanted a one hand opener but just the electrician blade and nothing else.

This uses my custom spring for a type of solo electrician.  The blade was straightened out as normally they are bent to fit with the cap lifter.  I also rounded out the hump on the pivot on one side to require less force to start the opening process since the blade is shorter and there is less leverage.  I also peened this one.  Crazy I know...  :D   The customer wanted it so I obliged.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom050/IMG_3856.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom050/IMG_3859.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom050/IMG_3860.jpg)

My cat and I took some video to show the action. (He was just taunting the neighbours dogs which is why they were barking)

Custom OHO Alox Electrician (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmy66rxYkvg#)

Cheers

Do you ever follow up this design with further models? It seems very cool and useful.  A pioneer with oho main blade would be most interesting!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 10, 2013, 08:33:46 PM

Do you ever follow up this design with further models? It seems very cool and useful.  A pioneer with oho main blade would be most interesting!

No one else has ever asked for anything similar yet.  This method would really only work on single layer mods though as this thumb stud was large.

I haven't done too many single layer mods really, but here is a new one by request.  93mm bantam with pocket clip.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom110/IMG_6703.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom110/IMG_6710.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on April 11, 2013, 01:27:06 AM
Could the stud only be on one side?  If not, oho 93mm bantam would be cool too!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on April 11, 2013, 02:07:11 AM
Actually a 93mm Bantam, or Chicken as I call it, is a quite handy piece of gear. 

It just about disappears in your pocket like a solo but has the advantage of the combo tool.
I just love that 93mm blade, tough as nails.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on April 11, 2013, 02:08:38 AM
Actually a 93mm Bantam, or Chicken as I call it, is a quite handy piece of gear. 

It just about disappears in your pocket like a solo but has the advantage of the combo tool.
I just love that 93mm blade, tough as nails.
+1
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on April 11, 2013, 03:52:15 AM
Something like this could make the farmer into the coulda woulda shoulda 2009 soldier:

http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/product_info.php?cPath=60_94_531&products_id=4350
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bmot on April 11, 2013, 10:05:09 AM

Do you ever follow up this design with further models? It seems very cool and useful.  A pioneer with oho main blade would be most interesting!

No one else has ever asked for anything similar yet.  This method would really only work on single layer mods though as this thumb stud was large.

I haven't done too many single layer mods really, but here is a new one by request.  93mm bantam with pocket clip.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom110/IMG_6703.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom110/IMG_6710.jpg)


If you'd want a multiple layer one, I guess you'll have to do something weird with the order of layers, too, as the blade is actually positioned on the left side of the knife, right?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 13, 2013, 11:14:43 PM
Ive had a couple more orange cerakote mod requests.  Here's an interesting 2 layer one. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom111/IMG_6720.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom111/IMG_6729.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom111/IMG_6737.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Grumpy on April 14, 2013, 12:20:51 AM
Ive had a couple more orange cerakote mod requests.  Here's an interesting 2 layer one. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom111/IMG_6720.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom111/IMG_6729.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom111/IMG_6737.jpg)

Nice :tu: :tu:
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 14, 2013, 02:00:37 AM
Nice job as normal :tu: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on April 14, 2013, 02:11:17 AM
Oh that's nice! Nice combo of tools too :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 14, 2013, 03:38:39 AM
And the second for today is one of those fancy red/black cadets with a set of original 84mm scissors.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom112/IMG_6742.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom112/IMG_6743.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom112/IMG_6746.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom112/IMG_6751.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom112/IMG_6753.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MultiMat on April 14, 2013, 04:34:38 AM
Now that is a LOOKER +   8) :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: radioactive_Man on April 14, 2013, 07:10:09 AM
Ive had a couple more orange cerakote mod requests.  Here's an interesting 2 layer one. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom111/IMG_6720.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom111/IMG_6729.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom111/IMG_6737.jpg)

Fantastic!  :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on April 14, 2013, 10:34:26 AM
There we go! Awesome as always Syph. Can't wait. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Grumpy on April 14, 2013, 03:32:22 PM
That orange is brilliant :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on April 14, 2013, 09:44:36 PM
Give ya a nickel for it seeing how it has no keyring  :td:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 16, 2013, 10:44:50 PM
I busted out some more green today. 

It actually feels like summer finally here, so Im back to outdoor photoshoots now.  Natural lighting is much kinder for photography than indoor fluorescent.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom113/IMG_6767.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom113/IMG_6766.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Randy Havard on April 17, 2013, 12:33:49 AM
It came out GREAT Robert. This one will be an EDC for sure.:tool: I can't wait to put it to use. Thanks.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 18, 2013, 09:53:41 PM
Here is something Ive wanted to try for awhile and someone had requested it, so I got to build a farmer, but replace the saw layer with a serrated blade from a 91mm spartan. 

There was room so I also added a small spear point opposite.  Love how it turned out, but getting the spring just right was a total pain.  I ended up grinding down one of the scissors springs I made to get it all to fit just right. 

Love how it turned out though.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom114/IMG_6770.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom114/IMG_6774.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom114/IMG_6775.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom114/IMG_6776.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom114/IMG_6777.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom114/IMG_6782.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom114/IMG_6790.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on April 18, 2013, 10:30:44 PM
That's just wild right there...three blades and an awl. No excuse for a dull blade there, is there?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kkokkolis on April 18, 2013, 10:40:26 PM
This is great!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on April 19, 2013, 12:07:50 AM
Groovy idea, now that is the real urban farmer!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 19, 2013, 12:56:02 AM
You know I think it would be possible to put both large knives in one layer, with a thicker than normal spring... that and scissors added I think would be just right for me.  The nice thing about building SAKs for others is I get to try alot of combinations and see what I like best for my own builds.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiljentaa on April 19, 2013, 02:28:56 AM
You know I think it would be possible to put both large knives in one layer, with a thicker than normal spring... that and scissors added I think would be just right for me.  The nice thing about building SAKs for others is I get to try alot of combinations and see what I like best for my own builds.

I'd be really interested to see which mods you have built for your own use. :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on April 19, 2013, 01:46:43 PM
You know I think it would be possible to put both large knives in one layer, with a thicker than normal spring... that and scissors added I think would be just right for me.  The nice thing about building SAKs for others is I get to try alot of combinations and see what I like best for my own builds.

I'd be really interested to see which mods you have built for your own use. :)

That is a very good question. :2tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 19, 2013, 01:55:39 PM
You know I think it would be possible to put both large knives in one layer, with a thicker than normal spring... that and scissors added I think would be just right for me.  The nice thing about building SAKs for others is I get to try alot of combinations and see what I like best for my own builds.

I'd be really interested to see which mods you have built for your own use. :)

That is a very good question. :2tu:

I have lots in the 'to build' stage, one with the wenger universal wrench, one with a cybertool driver, but I usually build customer knives ahead of mine, so I havnet got to mine yet.   The only one I have is a standard red urban pioneer right now.  Eventually I'll get the other cool ones together though. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Heywood Floyd on April 19, 2013, 01:56:21 PM
You know I think it would be possible to put both large knives in one layer, with a thicker than normal spring... that and scissors added I think would be just right for me.  The nice thing about building SAKs for others is I get to try alot of combinations and see what I like best for my own builds.

I'd be really interested to see which mods you have built for your own use. :)

That is a very good question. :2tu:

Yes ... me three, it would be very interesting to have Syph007's experienced impressions of what works best for him.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 19, 2013, 10:10:26 PM
It feels like I have a million things going on, but Im trying to make progress on all fronts at least.  I've been wanting to do a BO run for ages to see how that goes and I finally finished prepping all the parts for a test run.

Here's the before shot, hopefully the after one turns out. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Black%20Oxide/IMG_6700.jpg)

BO is in the house! And Im happy to say the after shot is good, and the process was perfect! He told me he has a secret process to BO stainless better than others and he wasnt lying.  This BO is much nicer than the BO I had on a stock Vic blackout model.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Black%20Oxide/IMG_6824.jpg)

Its hard to get a good picture, but here is a stock vs BO blade.  The flash makes the BO look lighter than it is in person.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Black%20Oxide/IMG_6803.jpg)

Here's some shots of BO parts posing with orange cerakote scales and some stock stainless blades for reference.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Black%20Oxide/IMG_6837.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Black%20Oxide/IMG_6835.jpg)

Here's what a BO'd swisstool corkscrew looks like.  Mister tattoosteve wanted this.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Black%20Oxide/IMG_6797.jpg)

Here's a BO'd pocketwrench II next to a stock one.  This one is Eric's.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Black%20Oxide/IMG_6819.jpg)

I cant wait to build an orange scaled / BO mod now. :D :D :D

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on April 19, 2013, 10:34:00 PM
Woah! :gimmie: Great job. That looks splendiferous. Can't wait to see it in person :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stax on April 20, 2013, 01:35:37 AM
I can't wait to see what you do with the BO. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 20, 2013, 01:43:01 AM
I can't wait to see what you do with the BO.

Its getting matched up with some black hard anodize scales for some all black models... then a few guys ordered the orange cerakote with BO tools... then... Ive got 2 new colors coming in (cerakote ones) in a few weeks that are going to be something never seen before in an alox SAK. :D  I've been patiently waiting to unveil these two new ones.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stax on April 20, 2013, 01:46:41 AM
I can't wait to see what you do with the BO.

Its getting matched up with some black hard anodize scales for some all black models... then a few guys ordered the orange cerakote with BO tools... then... Ive got 2 new colors coming in (cerakote ones) in a few weeks that are going to be something never seen before in an alox SAK. :D  I've been patiently waiting to unveil these two new ones.

That all sounds droolworthy!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on April 20, 2013, 07:11:56 AM
Very very choice
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Post by: Syph007 on April 21, 2013, 05:07:01 AM
Mmmm orange cerakote, HAIII black 6061 T6 liners and BO'd tools...   :drool:

I've been waiting to build this since I first got the orange scales.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote%20and%20Black%20Oxide/IMG_6842.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote%20and%20Black%20Oxide/IMG_6856.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote%20and%20Black%20Oxide/IMG_6847.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote%20and%20Black%20Oxide/IMG_6845.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 21, 2013, 05:19:08 AM
Ok all done.  I dopped the saw for this build to keep it a 3 layer.  This thing is sweet though.  I really havent been a big BO fan on most things but Im loving this BO look with the orange.

I took a bunch of pics as I am pretty excited about this one. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote%20and%20Black%20Oxide/IMG_6863.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote%20and%20Black%20Oxide/IMG_6864.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote%20and%20Black%20Oxide/IMG_6867.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote%20and%20Black%20Oxide/IMG_6869.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote%20and%20Black%20Oxide/IMG_6871.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote%20and%20Black%20Oxide/IMG_6874.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote%20and%20Black%20Oxide/IMG_6881.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote%20and%20Black%20Oxide/IMG_6887.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote%20and%20Black%20Oxide/IMG_6890.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote%20and%20Black%20Oxide/IMG_6894.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Nhoj on April 21, 2013, 05:39:43 AM
That is one beautiful knife! :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on April 21, 2013, 06:34:04 AM
WOW! Now that's black. You got my attention!!! Can't wait
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Post by: HankSolon on April 21, 2013, 07:02:14 AM
Excellent. This is so nice. I like the combination of orange/black.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on April 21, 2013, 12:27:39 PM
Lovely stuff Rob - well worth getting those parts done :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on April 21, 2013, 02:30:53 PM
It's missing the keyring  :twak:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 21, 2013, 03:26:31 PM
It's missing the keyring  :twak:

I havent figured out a way to make that part yet.  The normal nickel silver one wont BO.. and if I made it out of aluminum to HAIII it wouldnt be strong enough.  So I'll have to track down some steel 0.040 if that is even a size that exsits, and make some for a future BO run.  For how the blackout will have to have no carry, or pocket clip carry.  Well I could put on the stock silver one but it would look out of place I think.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on April 21, 2013, 06:17:57 PM
Well for mine silver will be just fine >=)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on April 21, 2013, 06:34:36 PM
Yeah, silver is fine, I mean the rivets aren't BO either.  It'd look great I think  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 21, 2013, 08:03:25 PM
Operation total blackout complete!  :D 

Here are some pics posing with it's orange buddy.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Blackout/IMG_6937.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Blackout/IMG_6931.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Blackout/IMG_6928.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Blackout/IMG_6919.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Blackout/IMG_6913.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Blackout/IMG_6901.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on April 21, 2013, 08:10:41 PM
Oh yeah! Total black is the smurf!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: firiki on April 21, 2013, 10:17:40 PM
I've grown tired of black but these look very sleek. Congrats
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on April 22, 2013, 09:09:04 AM
I  really like the look, but i can totally see myself misplacing the black one while out at night...

I´m quite happy the Alox Bug has not bitten me, It would be another expensive side to my hobby.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Heywood Floyd on April 22, 2013, 11:08:52 AM
Operation total blackout complete!  :D 

Here are some pics posing with it's orange buddy.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Blackout/IMG_6937.jpg)

Tremendous work. Thanks for sharing.

Did you purchase BO fastener screws or did you put them through the same process as the tool and back spring components?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on April 22, 2013, 01:31:11 PM
Lovely stuff - really worked out well :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on April 22, 2013, 01:33:54 PM
Does this BO treatment affect the edges of the blades somehow?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 22, 2013, 03:03:48 PM
Does this BO treatment affect the edges of the blades somehow?

They are still as sharp as they were when I sent them.  They'd probably look good with a quick sharpen though to have the bare metal exposed along the edge.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 22, 2013, 03:07:21 PM
Operation total blackout complete!  :D 

Here are some pics posing with it's orange buddy.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Blackout/IMG_6937.jpg)

Tremendous work. Thanks for sharing.

Did you purchase BO fastener screws or did you put them through the same process as the tool and back spring components?

I bought BO screws, but next time I think I'll include screws in the run as his BO is better than the stock BO screws.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on April 22, 2013, 04:56:21 PM
Here are some pics posing with it's orange buddy.
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Blackout/IMG_6901.jpg)
They both look really good, but the orange really catches my eye!  I might have to add orange scales to my wish list!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on April 22, 2013, 07:35:32 PM
It's missing the keyring  :twak:

I wouldn't say it's "missing" the keyring... :P
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 22, 2013, 07:42:10 PM
I  really like the look, but i can totally see myself misplacing the black one while out at night...

I´m quite happy the Alox Bug has not bitten me, It would be another expensive side to my hobby.

Ya the all black one would be good for repeat mod sales after its lost! :D

I prefer the orange, in a nice bright never lose it color.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on April 22, 2013, 09:31:39 PM
Yes, the orange would be much safer -  But the black is sexier by far.
And I´m not sure if my comment came across wrong (as i am no native speaker) I did not want to sound disrespectful. I just found that - although Alox feels nicely in the hand - I am regularly going back to my old 2 layer Cellidors after a short time. Don´t know why, but financially i guiess that´s a good thing. :-)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 24, 2013, 09:26:04 PM
More luscious orange with BO tools today.  I'm not tired of the black/orange look yet, I still think it looks sweet.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom115/IMG_6952.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom115/IMG_6953.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom115/IMG_6959.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom115/IMG_6961.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom115/IMG_6962.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom115/IMG_6963.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom115/IMG_6975.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom115/IMG_6976.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on April 24, 2013, 09:38:55 PM
Oh snap that's hot!
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Post by: firiki on April 24, 2013, 09:41:53 PM
Oh snap that's hot!
Yeap 8)
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Post by: nj2656 on April 24, 2013, 11:43:09 PM
How are the pocket clips working out?
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Post by: Syph007 on April 24, 2013, 11:45:50 PM
How are the pocket clips working out?

They're on there good.  I figured out the trick to tapping.  Also these smaller clips seem to have a tight tolerance in the holes vs 2-56 thread, so there is no wiggle.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on April 25, 2013, 12:16:15 AM
I really need to get a custom from you soon.  :twak: I'm really liking the pocket clips on alox.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on April 25, 2013, 03:27:28 PM
:drool: at orange with black
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Post by: papercut on April 25, 2013, 03:31:47 PM
Pretty awesome 2.5 layer tool arrangement.

Very nice!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 27, 2013, 11:06:09 PM
I'm putting together a 4 layer 84mm Ti build this weekend and I kept forgetting to take some video of the carbidizing process.  It's not super exciting to watch, but I wanted to show the process anyhow.

Cheers

Carbidizing Titanium liners for 84mm Ti cadet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycSHRobDedg#)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on April 28, 2013, 12:12:25 AM
I'm putting together a 4 layer 84mm Ti build this weekend and I kept forgetting to take some video of the carbidizing process.  It's not super exciting to watch, but I wanted to show the process anyhow.

Cheers

Carbidizing Titanium liners for 84mm Ti cadet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycSHRobDedg#)
Nice work and I like the orange MTO shirt :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: DeanJ on April 30, 2013, 06:46:22 PM
Awesome attention to detail!  There is no doubt that your Ti-Vic conversions are the finest in the world.

 :SAKnight:

I'm putting together a 4 layer 84mm Ti build this weekend and I kept forgetting to take some video of the carbidizing process.  It's not super exciting to watch, but I wanted to show the process anyhow.

Cheers

Carbidizing Titanium liners for 84mm Ti cadet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycSHRobDedg#)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 30, 2013, 08:31:13 PM
Awesome attention to detail!  There is no doubt that your Ti-Vic conversions are the finest in the world.

 :SAKnight:

I'm putting together a 4 layer 84mm Ti build this weekend and I kept forgetting to take some video of the carbidizing process.  It's not super exciting to watch, but I wanted to show the process anyhow.

Cheers

Carbidizing Titanium liners for 84mm Ti cadet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycSHRobDedg#)

That one is going together today.  So far it looks VERY nice! :D

I should have pics of it tomorrow.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Chaka on April 30, 2013, 09:15:12 PM
Beautiful work Syph007.

I would like to mod my alox pioneer, but have a couple of questions.

Do the can opener and inline philips (older style) from a 91mm would work to do a 3.5 layers conversion?

What else would be required to do it?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 30, 2013, 09:54:51 PM
Beautiful work Syph007.

I would like to mod my alox pioneer, but have a couple of questions.

Do the can opener and inline philips (older style) from a 91mm would work to do a 3.5 layers conversion?

What else would be required to do it?

Thanks in advance.

No the older (longer) phillips is too long to fit.  The newer shorter one is needed, and then it JUST barely fits.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Chaka on April 30, 2013, 09:57:22 PM
How about the can opener? and the spring?

Thanks.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 30, 2013, 10:20:27 PM
To do the 3 tool layer mod, you need one extra opener layer spring, and the new style phillips and 2x 0.030 inch thick washers. 

Building back scale to front scale (that's the order I put knives together), the first opener layer spring goes in backwards, and the bottle opener goes in that layer, then the next spring goes in as normal with the can opener on that spring.  The phillips goes on the other end and uses both springs with washer on either side.

It works out nicely since the phillips head gets the extra space so it wont hit the scales. 

I hope that makes sense. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Chaka on April 30, 2013, 10:41:10 PM
One more...
What parts from a 91mm SAK can I use for this mod? if any?

Thank You Syph007.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 30, 2013, 10:54:33 PM
One more...
What parts from a 91mm SAK can I use for this mod? if any?

Thank You Syph007.

Just the phillips, no springs or liners or other parts are compatible.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 01, 2013, 09:16:19 PM
This one Ive been working on here and there for a few weeks now, but it's finally all done.  This started off as a regular silver cadet with saw layer, and I have fully converted it to Ti and added the scissors layer.  All Ti parts were hand cut and finished and they took alot of effort to get just right.

I guess this would close to a Ti 84mm huntsman in tool layout.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom116/IMG_7013.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom116/IMG_7010.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom116/IMG_7002.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom116/IMG_6991.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom116/IMG_7036.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on May 01, 2013, 09:25:42 PM
That looks sweeeeeet.

Are they 91 scissors?
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Post by: Syph007 on May 01, 2013, 10:59:04 PM
That looks sweeeeeet.

Are they 91 scissors?

Yep 91s.  I only have 1 set of 84s and I use those as templates to cut down the 91s.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on May 01, 2013, 11:52:48 PM
That looks great!!  :tu:
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Post by: papercut on May 02, 2013, 01:58:26 AM
Very nice!  Makes me look forward to my Peter mod!
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Post by: Syph007 on May 02, 2013, 10:56:54 PM
And now for something a little different.  I wanted to try a color of cerakote that was something impossible to do by anodizing aluminum... bright white!  Why? Because I figured it would look sweet with black oxide tools and be something a little different.

So... here we go.  This is what I like to think Darth Vader would have provided to all the troops.... So I present the Stormtrooper standard issue.. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Storm%20Trooper/IMG_7053.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Storm%20Trooper/IMG_7049.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Storm%20Trooper/IMG_7056.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Storm%20Trooper/IMG_7062.jpg)

It's hard to photograph the white nicely, so here are some more shots with a red small tinker for some color contrast.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Storm%20Trooper/IMG_7066.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Storm%20Trooper/IMG_7070.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Storm%20Trooper/IMG_7078.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Storm%20Trooper/IMG_7080.jpg)

Cheers! :D
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Post by: enki_ck on May 02, 2013, 11:13:33 PM
Very nice. 8)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on May 02, 2013, 11:28:46 PM
The white one is SUPER MEGA COOL

I want one

 :gimme:
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Post by: nuphoria on May 02, 2013, 11:39:29 PM
The Imperial perhaps? :D

Superb.
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on May 03, 2013, 12:13:28 AM
Awesome as always
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Post by: Syph007 on May 03, 2013, 01:49:29 AM
The Imperial perhaps? :D

Superb.

Oh I like that, that's classy.  :D
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on May 03, 2013, 04:55:09 AM
Definitely stormtropper. A imperial was a silver ship!
 
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Post by: PTRSAK on May 03, 2013, 02:01:54 PM
It's a GEAK   Galactic Empire Army Knife   :rofl:
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Post by: Syph007 on May 03, 2013, 02:35:00 PM
It's a GEAK   Galactic Empire Army Knife   :rofl:

Ha! Or

DSAK (Dark Side Army Knife)

I guess it should have some laser blaster repair tools too.  Those things are always need maintenance!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 03, 2013, 04:22:20 PM
Another Stormtrooper SI was born this morning.  I only did 5 sets of white as a test, and now I wish I did more.  Ive had quite a few people interested in the white/black combo.  It is a pretty unique combination.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom117/IMG_7135.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom117/IMG_7138.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom117/IMG_7146.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on May 03, 2013, 04:48:03 PM
Another Stormtrooper SI was born this morning.  I only did 5 sets of white as a test, and now I wish I did more.  Ive had quite a few people interested in the white/black combo.  It is a pretty unique combination.

 :tu:

Please consider this (white cerakote on BO) a regular if possible. White is hot these days, right along with orange if not even more. I do not think people will get tired of the custom stormtrooper SAKs too soon.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Grumpy on May 03, 2013, 04:54:49 PM
Another Stormtrooper SI was born this morning.  I only did 5 sets of white as a test, and now I wish I did more.  Ive had quite a few people interested in the white/black combo.  It is a pretty unique combination.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom117/IMG_7135.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom117/IMG_7138.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom117/IMG_7146.jpg)


That looks great!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 03, 2013, 05:45:36 PM
Another Stormtrooper SI was born this morning.  I only did 5 sets of white as a test, and now I wish I did more.  Ive had quite a few people interested in the white/black combo.  It is a pretty unique combination.

 :tu:

Please consider this (white cerakote on BO) a regular if possible. White is hot these days, right along with orange if not even more. I do not think people will get tired of the custom stormtrooper SAKs too soon.

 :cheers:

Yes I agree I think what I will do in cerakote are the colors I cant do in hard anodize.  Right now I have orange/OD green/white in cerakote, and I think I'll keep those as ones I regularly stock.  And then in the hard anodize, red/blue/black, and maybe the green, not sure on that. 

I havent used the OD green yet, but it's the left one in this pic.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_7045.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Grumpy on May 03, 2013, 09:32:49 PM
All looking good, black & orange are my fav's :tu:
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Post by: Marius on May 03, 2013, 10:47:24 PM
All look very good. Just a comment that to me personally the HAIII green (OD like, yes?) looks slightly better than the cerakote OD green (thinner, more metal-ish). I also think HAIII wears better in time than cerakote - am I wrong?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 03, 2013, 10:53:04 PM
All look very good. Just a comment that to me personally the HAIII green (OD like, yes?) looks slightly better than the cerakote OD green (thinner, more metal-ish). I also think HAIII wears better in time than cerakote - am I wrong?

Yes I think the anodize should wear better.  Ive asked the first few people Ive sold cerakote to, to let me know how it holds up, but I havent heard anything yet.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on May 03, 2013, 11:40:18 PM
very very nice!!! i really like that combination  :cheers: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: 396988 on May 04, 2013, 01:35:33 PM
Another Stormtrooper SI....

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom117/IMG_7135.jpg)


Just in time for May the 4th be with.......
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 04, 2013, 03:28:25 PM
What's the name one this one going to be the midnight ghost? Great combo! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on May 06, 2013, 07:06:28 PM
Another Stormtrooper SI was born this morning.  I only did 5 sets of white as a test, and now I wish I did more.  Ive had quite a few people interested in the white/black combo.  It is a pretty unique combination.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom117/IMG_7135.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom117/IMG_7138.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom117/IMG_7146.jpg)

Has no-one else suggested that this is in fact a SAK Clone?....Trooper, that is. ;)

Love the black and white look mate. 8)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: El Rago on May 06, 2013, 08:35:17 PM
I will go with The Imperial, that is a great combo.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on May 06, 2013, 11:28:29 PM
It's a GEAK   Galactic Empire Army Knife   :rofl:

Ha! Or

DSAK (Dark Side Army Knife)

I guess it should have some laser blaster repair tools too.  Those things are always need maintenance!

 :hatsoff:  DSAK  is sooo much better than my attempt.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 07, 2013, 05:10:37 PM
I finished off another 4.5 layer monster this morning.  I do love the look of polished parts and shiny brass, but these big ones are alot of work! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom118/IMG_7220.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom118/IMG_7183.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom118/IMG_7178.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom118/IMG_7185.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom118/IMG_7189.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom118/IMG_7190.jpg)

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on May 07, 2013, 06:51:31 PM
Lovely stuff :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on May 07, 2013, 07:28:53 PM
I think this tool setup but with (red liners :D ) is my favourite so far. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 08, 2013, 04:48:55 AM
Thing of beauty syph007! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 08, 2013, 04:36:11 PM
What do you call an old school electrician with no electricians blade? Hmmm the fired electrician?  :think:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom119/IMG_7236.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom119/IMG_7227.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom119/IMG_7223.jpg)

This was an old cross electrician that had it electrician blade swapped for a spearpoint and got a brass liner.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 08, 2013, 10:56:06 PM
I had to have a go at making one of those custom scaled cam lock mods.  So far all I got was the geometry worked out for where to place the cam, and the scales and liner roughed out from brass. 

I need a thicker piece of stainless or Ti for the cam, and I havent found anything suitable yet, but Im sure something will turn up.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on May 08, 2013, 11:01:12 PM
Hm, this looks interesting. Looking forward to updates. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 08, 2013, 11:17:58 PM
Not my idea, I saw this and had to have a try, but with a more standard overall profile.

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,5287.msg721525.html#msg721525
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gustophersmob on May 09, 2013, 01:09:59 AM
I had to have a go at making one of those custom scaled cam lock mods.  So far all I got was the geometry worked out for where to place the cam, and the scales and liner roughed out from brass. 

I need a thicker piece of stainless or Ti for the cam, and I havent found anything suitable yet, but Im sure something will turn up.



Very cool! Looking forward to seeing how it turns out!  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on May 09, 2013, 02:06:24 AM
I had to have a go at making one of those custom scaled cam lock mods.  So far all I got was the geometry worked out for where to place the cam, and the scales and liner roughed out from brass. 

I need a thicker piece of stainless or Ti for the cam, and I havent found anything suitable yet, but Im sure something will turn up.



Very cool! Looking forward to seeing how it turns out!  :drool:



Same here. I was actually daydreaming about a locking alox just the other day. Hope everything works out Syph.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on May 09, 2013, 11:09:12 AM
Maybe you can sacrifice a blade for the cam? Width would be fitting and you could use the pivot hole and reprofile the (big, i know) rest to a cam.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 09, 2013, 01:38:02 PM
I suggest a locking alox awhile ago, JR
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,5287.msg713472.html#msg713472
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 09, 2013, 03:52:18 PM
Well I was picturing having the cam as wide as the whole tool layer, but really I dont think the can opener needs the locking mechanism.  So I think I will try it with just the cam over the blade spring, and a spacer on the opener layer.  I think that would work fine, and if I have any broken blades, the base from one would actually work I think for a cam.  Or a piece of spring... well I'll dig up something today and see how ti works. 

I dont know if restricting the blade spring movement will make a completely solid lockup, or more of a just prevent accidentally closer type system, but I have to try to find out. :D 

Once I get the mechanism working, then I can shape and polish the scales and make it look nice.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gustophersmob on May 09, 2013, 05:35:44 PM
Well I was picturing having the cam as wide as the whole tool layer, but really I dont think the can opener needs the locking mechanism.  So I think I will try it with just the cam over the blade spring, and a spacer on the opener layer.  I think that would work fine, and if I have any broken blades, the base from one would actually work I think for a cam.  Or a piece of spring... well I'll dig up something today and see how ti works. 

I dont know if restricting the blade spring movement will make a completely solid lockup, or more of a just prevent accidentally closer type system, but I have to try to find out. :D 

Once I get the mechanism working, then I can shape and polish the scales and make it look nice.

I was thinking about this.  I wonder if it would be better to have the cam the entire length.  Having the cam over just the blade may put more force on the hole in the scale next to the blade.  Since the brass scales are soft, it may deform it.  I guess it all depends on how much pressure is put on the locking cam pivot  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on May 10, 2013, 12:13:12 AM
A liner or frame lock 93 is still on my To-Do list.

 :think: maybe I could kill three birds with one stone and make a Damascus bladed, OHO, Liner locked 93mm Alox...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 10, 2013, 12:36:57 AM
Here are some more fit up pics of the progress for today.  I think it will work out perfect. 

I checked the scrap pile and found a nice thick piece of Ti to use for the cam part.  Its not shaped yet, I just jeweler sawed a piece out, but it seems like it will be just fine.  Keep in mind all these are just rough cut right now.  Once I know the mechanism works I will sand and finish it all nice.  The TI cam I'll carbidize if it needs it, but in this case a 'sticky' fit might be an asset.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cam%20Lock/IMG_7255.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cam%20Lock/IMG_7256.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cam%20Lock/IMG_7259.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cam%20Lock/IMG_7264.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cam%20Lock/IMG_7266.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cam%20Lock/IMG_7268.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gustophersmob on May 10, 2013, 12:47:18 AM
Looking very  :drool:  Nice work so far!  :tu:

You jeweler sawed that piece of Ti? Those are impressively straight cuts  :o
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 10, 2013, 12:55:11 AM
Looking very  :drool:  Nice work so far!  :tu:

You jeweler sawed that piece of Ti? Those are impressively straight cuts  :o

I cut it out with a jewelers saw, but I made it flat with a sander.  :tu:  It took a few blades to cut that small piece since it's 0.225 thick.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on May 10, 2013, 12:55:46 AM
As well as "sticky" you might want to give it a tiny bit of "overcenter" locking on the cam to help prevent unwanted unlocking.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on May 10, 2013, 12:57:10 AM
Looking very  :drool:  Nice work so far!  :tu:

You jeweler sawed that piece of Ti? Those are impressively straight cuts  :o

Haven't you seen Robert's sawing video... he has some impressive wrist action...  :whistle:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 10, 2013, 12:58:35 AM
As well as "sticky" you might want to give it a tiny bit of "overcenter" locking on the cam to help prevent unwanted unlocking.

Oh thats a good point actually, I hadn't thought of that.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gustophersmob on May 10, 2013, 01:14:24 AM
Looking very  :drool:  Nice work so far!  :tu:

You jeweler sawed that piece of Ti? Those are impressively straight cuts  :o

I cut it out with a jewelers saw, but I made it flat with a sander.  :tu:  It took a few blades to cut that small piece since it's 0.225 thick.

D'oh, that makes sense :) 

If I tried, I'm sure I'd break more than a few.  I'm surprised how long the edges on mine last, but the slightest wrong twist and they snap very easy.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gustophersmob on May 10, 2013, 01:15:40 AM
As well as "sticky" you might want to give it a tiny bit of "overcenter" locking on the cam to help prevent unwanted unlocking.

Oh thats a good point actually, I hadn't thought of that.   :tu:

Boyo17 mentioned here (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,44626.msg721985.html#msg721985) filing the springs to get a certain radius clearance.  I wonder if that was for something like the "overcenter" cam to work.  Filing down since the backsprings aren't flat.  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gustophersmob on May 10, 2013, 01:20:47 AM
Looking very  :drool:  Nice work so far!  :tu:

You jeweler sawed that piece of Ti? Those are impressively straight cuts  :o

Haven't you seen Robert's sawing video... he has some impressive wrist action...  :whistle:

I'm sure I'm being dense, but does Robert = Syph? Or did I just miss an obvious joke  ::)  :D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 10, 2013, 01:23:26 AM
Looking very  :drool:  Nice work so far!  :tu:

You jeweler sawed that piece of Ti? Those are impressively straight cuts  :o

I cut it out with a jewelers saw, but I made it flat with a sander.  :tu:  It took a few blades to cut that small piece since it's 0.225 thick.

D'oh, that makes sense :) 

If I tried, I'm sure I'd break more than a few.  I'm surprised how long the edges on mine last, but the slightest wrong twist and they snap very easy.

What surprised me most was how the material effects blade life.  To give you an idea, when I cut out liners I can cut about 10 from brass with one saw blade, and with Ti, it takes me about 5 saw blades per liner. :D  Aluminum is the easiest to cut, I can probably cut out 20 or more with one blade.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 10, 2013, 02:31:22 AM
Looking very  :drool:  Nice work so far!  :tu:

You jeweler sawed that piece of Ti? Those are impressively straight cuts  :o

Haven't you seen Robert's sawing video... he has some impressive wrist action...  :whistle:

I'm sure I'm being dense, but does Robert = Syph? Or did I just miss an obvious joke  ::)  :D

Yes its me! They were referring to my sawing video. lol

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,35639.msg679737.html#msg679737
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on May 10, 2013, 02:38:03 AM
Very cool. I am not sure i get the idea though. Is the cam to prevent the spring from moving?  A video of the mechanism in action would be most interesting?  How about the wenger licking mechanism. It is rather neat as well.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on May 10, 2013, 03:04:34 AM
Very cool. I am not sure i get the idea though. Is the cam to prevent the spring from moving?  A video of the mechanism in action would be most interesting?  How about the wenger licking mechanism. It is rather neat as well.
Yes, it prevents the spring from moving up, and therefore, locks the knife in position.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gustophersmob on May 10, 2013, 03:45:25 PM
Looking very  :drool:  Nice work so far!  :tu:

You jeweler sawed that piece of Ti? Those are impressively straight cuts  :o

I cut it out with a jewelers saw, but I made it flat with a sander.  :tu:  It took a few blades to cut that small piece since it's 0.225 thick.

D'oh, that makes sense :) 

If I tried, I'm sure I'd break more than a few.  I'm surprised how long the edges on mine last, but the slightest wrong twist and they snap very easy.

What surprised me most was how the material effects blade life.  To give you an idea, when I cut out liners I can cut about 10 from brass with one saw blade, and with Ti, it takes me about 5 saw blades per liner. :D  Aluminum is the easiest to cut, I can probably cut out 20 or more with one blade.

Makes sense.  I can do quite a bit of cutting in silver before one gets dulls.  Copper dulls it a bit quicker. 

Usually, though, I break them before they dull trying to cut intricate patterns.  I'll twist it a little bit the wrong way and TWANG  :facepalm:  You'd think I'd learn to do it the right way  ::)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gustophersmob on May 10, 2013, 03:46:56 PM
Looking very  :drool:  Nice work so far!  :tu:

You jeweler sawed that piece of Ti? Those are impressively straight cuts  :o

Haven't you seen Robert's sawing video... he has some impressive wrist action...  :whistle:

I'm sure I'm being dense, but does Robert = Syph? Or did I just miss an obvious joke  ::)  :D

Yes its me! They were referring to my sawing video. lol

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,35639.msg679737.html#msg679737

 :rofl:

Nice!  I've gotten similar reactions from the wife. Though I'm not nearly that fast  :D  ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 12, 2013, 05:18:59 AM
More white alox :D

What do you get for the stormtrooper stationed on a small moon populated by annoying fuzzy bipedal bears? 

The Endor farmer! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom120/IMG_7391.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom120/IMG_7399.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom120/IMG_7380.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom120/IMG_7383.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom120/IMG_7384.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on May 12, 2013, 11:40:02 AM
Run Ewoks, run! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Ombudsman on May 12, 2013, 10:58:12 PM
Echawawa!!!! (http://www.whitearmor.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/ewok.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on May 13, 2013, 05:27:08 PM
^ Awesome! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: user24 on May 13, 2013, 05:39:47 PM
How about white liners on that :pok: we can call it the humbug.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 14, 2013, 04:19:56 AM
Here's a regular old pioneer tool layout, dressed in white, with a black liner and screws.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom122/IMG_7422.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom122/IMG_7417.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom122/IMG_7414.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom122/IMG_7412.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 14, 2013, 01:15:58 PM
 :tu: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sidhartha on May 14, 2013, 05:29:22 PM
sexy!  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 14, 2013, 06:52:44 PM
Wow the white/black look was very popular.  I sold all the white scales I had made up (only did 5 sets), so I'm prepping a larger batch to send down for the magic white coating.  I think the white scales / black tools trial was a success and it will be something I regularly offer in a mod now.

Now the other thought I had was what to do with all the 91mm blade and opener layers from the donor climbers I have. I was getting climbers for 20 bucks or so and just using the scissors out of them, but then I have the rest as brand new parts just not too exciting to do much with. 

I dont think selling spartans or tinkers on their own is very exciting to anyone.  But then I thought I could toss in those stainless parts in a BO run and also hard anodize the regular Al liners, so I could then have 10 new spartans with black tool layers and liners.  The cost to make them would be very small, but they might be somewhat interesting at least, and I could price them reasonably.  I suppose if noone wanted them though I could just give them away with mods I do as a little perk as well. 

Anyways.. I think that's what the next experiment will be. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: 396988 on May 14, 2013, 08:04:19 PM
...... hard anodize the regular Al liners.......

Brass coloured anodized Al liners maybe??? It would be a lot cheaper then actually cutting and using brass but would give it a feeling of quality. Failing that I would say red liners with BO tools.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 14, 2013, 08:07:36 PM
...... hard anodize the regular Al liners.......

Brass coloured anodized Al liners maybe??? It would be a lot cheaper then actually cutting and using brass but would give it a feeling of quality. Failing that I would say red liners with BO tools.

Oh good point actually, red liners would match the stock scales nicely. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on May 14, 2013, 08:53:58 PM
...... hard anodize the regular Al liners.......

Brass coloured anodized Al liners maybe??? It would be a lot cheaper then actually cutting and using brass but would give it a feeling of quality. Failing that I would say red liners with BO tools.

Oh good point actually, red liners would match the stock scales nicely. 

:D One from my camp. Red and black just go well together. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: 396988 on May 14, 2013, 09:08:46 PM
...... hard anodize the regular Al liners.......

Brass coloured anodized Al liners maybe??? It would be a lot cheaper then actually cutting and using brass but would give it a feeling of quality. Failing that I would say red liners with BO tools.

Oh good point actually, red liners would match the stock scales nicely. 

You didn't mention springs but I guess they would need to be BO too. If postage is good then I am in for a tinker, been thinking I need a philips.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HeXeY on May 15, 2013, 12:36:40 AM
I wonder how the DSAK or Endor Farmer would look with red liners  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 15, 2013, 12:41:59 AM
I wonder how the DSAK or Endor Farmer would look with red liners  :think:

I know I thought the same.. I was out of red or I would have tried.  For some reason getting my red order correct has been a nightmare.  Its going on the 3rd try this week.  I think he must have changed something in his process since the SAK scales havent changed.  The last 2 times the anodize was not smooth over all the surface.  I hope it works this time!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on May 15, 2013, 03:47:26 AM
Color me very interested in two or three BO/HAIII models!  Relatively mass produced Syph models would be a dream.

As a Red and Black University of Georgia Alum, I approve of your plans!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 15, 2013, 04:01:57 AM
Well since I have new parts that I essentially part value at $0 (climbers and super tinkers minus scissors), I think I could get the cost down to around $40 - 45 depending on how many I could get done for one batch of BO, and hard anodize.  Labor for assembly should only be 20 minutes to peen together a 91.  Although I think I would have to edge polish the Al liners for the red to come out nice.. so thats a bit more.

The black oxide on stainless costs almost double what the hard anodize does on Al. For the first batch of BO I only ran enough for 8 SAKs worth and it worked out to around or just under $20 for BO on one SAK.  It would at least make them more interesting than stock spartans and tinkers though, so I think its worth a little experiment.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on May 15, 2013, 05:12:47 AM
You know, this is a slippery slope to a new market for you...  BO/HAIII Huntsman,  Compacts, et all would be huge for you!  Your secondary stream of income could increase quite a bit!

Your offerings could be some standard models and then custom models.  Hmmm- have you thought of hiring some local kids part time to help speed up the process?  They could assemble the standard models, while you focus on the more engaging customs. 

What about having a Kickstarter (Maybe need to use Indiegogo in Canada) to raise some capital for new equipment?  There would be tax implications, but as long as you had more expenses than revenue, it would work out.  Maybe you don't want to make it such a "pro" operation- more of a hobby with benefits.

Actually these BO/HAIII spartans would be a perfect entry level reward for such a Kickstarter.  Higher levels could have higher level knives.  Basically filling up your mod dance card in advance.  To avoid the Eye of Elsener, the mods would strictly be rewards for pledges, not for sale in the Kickstarter.  Raising money for equipment would be the stated goal. 

Based on some comments you have made elsewhere about your "normal" career, I expect you have already considered these issues.  :p
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 15, 2013, 05:24:11 AM
I need to teach my wife to peen.. lol.  I almost had her convinced to cut some brass liners for me, but she wouldnt give it a try.  :D  But really I dont want to ramp up making 91mm mods until I can make alox scales for them.  Making cool SAKs with no plastic parts on them is my true mission!  I just want to find a use for all the new parts that are sitting idle and lonely in my parts boxes, and its fun to try new things.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on May 15, 2013, 07:48:13 AM
Do you have a roadmap for fabbing up some 91mm checkered (or otherwise) 91mm scales?  I know there was a bit of brainstorming in the past (and PTR did make some), but I am not aware of any forward momentum. 

Maybe +B has cracked the code?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 15, 2013, 06:05:12 PM
Do you have a roadmap for fabbing up some 91mm checkered (or otherwise) 91mm scales?  I know there was a bit of brainstorming in the past (and PTR did make some), but I am not aware of any forward momentum. 

Maybe +B has cracked the code?

Step 1.  Buy Mill
Step 2.  CNC convert it
Step 3.  Machine scales!

I already have the model made up in CAD.  And I am FINALLY doing step one today.. in 1 hour actually.  Just called and I can go over and buy my mill!  Im debating 2 different models, one is slightly less expenseive, and also easier to CNC, so it feels like there is a catch.. but he says its very good still so... I have some quick reading to do.

Its between these two...

https://www.machinetoolswarehouse.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16301&cat=253&page=1

https://www.machinetoolswarehouse.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16242&cat=253&page=1

The sieg has more aftermarket parts,.. but he has a ready to go kit to CNC the other one....

https://www.machinetoolswarehouse.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16334&cat=323&page=1

So its tough call...  but I will read some reviews then inspect both machines well.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on May 15, 2013, 07:14:19 PM
Hehe

fun!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 15, 2013, 09:16:59 PM
Hehe

fun!

I went with the BF20... should be here on friday.  Its 400lbs so I couldnt move it on my own, have to have it delivered.

(https://www.machinetoolswarehouse.com/xcart/images/D/d-16301-01.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on May 15, 2013, 10:38:24 PM
 :gimme:

Me want one. Badly.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on May 15, 2013, 11:15:09 PM
A nice, VERY late birthday present you have there. :D Looking forward to seeing what you do with it. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 15, 2013, 11:32:52 PM
A nice, VERY late birthday present you have there. :D Looking forward to seeing what you do with it. :tu:

I'm not a machinist for real, just pretend, so I have to figure out all this terminology now, and what kinds of collets I need.  It doenst come with anything but a single arbor so I need to order a collet set and drill bit holder.... but Im making progress at least.  And this model is much easier to CNC convert.... but one step at a time, there are parts I can make in manual mode before I do the upgrade.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on May 15, 2013, 11:38:16 PM
A nice, VERY late birthday present you have there. :D Looking forward to seeing what you do with it. :tu:

I'm not a machinist for real, just pretend, so I have to figure out all this terminology now, and what kinds of collets I need.  It doenst come with anything but a single arbor so I need to order a collet set and drill bit holder.... but Im making progress at least.  And this model is much easier to CNC convert.... but one step at a time, there are parts I can make in manual mode before I do the upgrade.

Hopefully Bob will be back full time in a bit over a month so he can help you with the details. And I think there are a few other machinist here also. :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 16, 2013, 12:41:57 AM
A nice, VERY late birthday present you have there. :D Looking forward to seeing what you do with it. :tu:

I'm not a machinist for real, just pretend, so I have to figure out all this terminology now, and what kinds of collets I need.  It doenst come with anything but a single arbor so I need to order a collet set and drill bit holder.... but Im making progress at least.  And this model is much easier to CNC convert.... but one step at a time, there are parts I can make in manual mode before I do the upgrade.


Hopefully Bob will be back full time in a bit over a month so he can help you with the details. And I think there are a few other machinist here also. :think:
I did some back in high school, but that was like way back, and knowing me I'd leave the key in the chuck on the lathe.  :whistle: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on May 16, 2013, 03:44:26 AM
Well it looks like you don't need to ask you wife to cut liners any more! 

Hot damn!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on May 16, 2013, 08:49:21 AM
Now we're getting serious here. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 16, 2013, 09:08:40 PM
Cadet mods are frustrating to get just right as the pivot tolerance is very tight for correct length.  This one was particularly frustrating to try to get the awl on there.  I matched the shape of the pivot to the nail file it was replacing, but it took alot of fiddling to get just right.  I think Im going to official stop taking new cadet orders in future, I dont enjoy working on this size of SAK at all.  The pioneer size and even the 58 size are more enjoyable for me to work on.

Anyways here it is.  Urban pioneer junior. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom123/IMG_7447.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom123/IMG_7448.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom123/IMG_7449.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom123/IMG_7451.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom123/IMG_7453.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom123/IMG_7455.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on May 16, 2013, 09:19:09 PM
I think Im going to official stop taking new cadet orders in future, I dont enjoy working on this size of SAK at all. 

Weeee...that makes my Syph-Cadet even more special. :whistle:
If it gets here one day... :cry: (been waiting 31 days until now)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 17, 2013, 03:54:38 PM
You know the excitement of getting new SAKs in the mail... well getting 400lbs of freight in the morning is very exciting too!!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Guess what Im doing today?

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Mill/IMG_7462.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Mill/IMG_7463.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Mill/IMG_7465.jpg)

I think its also time to formally abandon the idea that I'll ever park a car in here again, and just build some big benches and shelves and get all organized.   :tu:
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Post by: enki_ck on May 17, 2013, 04:01:06 PM

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Mill/IMG_7462.jpg)
Wow. that thing is BIG. :o

I think its also time to formally abandon the idea that I'll ever park a car in here again, and just build some big benches and shelves and get all organized.   :tu:

Looking forward to your "How I Learned to Stop Worrying about the Garage and Organised the Wokshop" thread by Dr. Strangelove Syph007. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on May 17, 2013, 05:36:43 PM
Thats no garage- it is the sak lab!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on May 17, 2013, 05:56:27 PM
That's a shame about the Cadets. Well maybe you'll go back to them later. Really was hoping for a Jr. Have you done a double opener/Phillips on a Farmer? If so do you have a picture?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: digitaldave on May 17, 2013, 06:49:28 PM
think Im going to official stop taking new cadet orders in future, I dont enjoy working on this size of SAK at all.  The pioneer size and even the 58 size are more enjoyable for me to work on.

Glad I got my order in when I did!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 17, 2013, 07:00:39 PM
That's a shame about the Cadets. Well maybe you'll go back to them later. Really was hoping for a Jr. Have you done a double opener/Phillips on a Farmer? If so do you have a picture?

Well if I figure out a better way to build them with the pivots I'll continue.  The scales are so thin that its really hard to counter sink the screws and still have pivot in the scale.  I get about 0.010" in the scale and its really annoying to get it just right. I also have to use a coutersink bit on the pivot itself to get the screw to fit.  It takes about double the time to build a cadet vs a pioneer so its really annoying.  What I should do is look for shallow button heads so they might stick up from the surface a bit, but much easier to build and stronger in theory.  I could mill a small recess say half way through the scale, then the button head could sit in that... hmm ya I like that idea much better. :D

I sent more scales for white cerakote, and 4 sets were cadet scales, so I'll at least build 4 more black/white cadets.  :D 

I got the stand unboxed and roughly in position.  It needs to be leveled and bolted to the floor next.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Mill/IMG_7466.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Mill/IMG_7467.jpg)

The guy recommended an engine hoist to lift the mill onto the stand... I haven't figured out how to get that up there yet but if the Egyptians built the pyramids with primitive tools, surely I can lift a 400lb mill 4 ft vertically...  :think:

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on May 17, 2013, 07:10:03 PM
Do you know any contractors you could borrow a winch from?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 17, 2013, 07:11:08 PM
Do you know any contractors you could borrow a winch from?

Nope, all my friends work in IT. :D  There is an equiptment rental place near me though, I think I'll see if they rent hoists.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 17, 2013, 08:30:15 PM
Do you know any contractors you could borrow a winch from?

Nope, all my friends work in IT. :D  There is an equiptment rental place near me though, I think I'll see if they rent hoists.
how about a floor jack? there should be one in the car with the spare tire, it will take some time but theres a few ways to do it! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on May 17, 2013, 08:37:26 PM
New toys.... very exciting :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on May 17, 2013, 09:58:46 PM
A simple a frame and a pulley. Classic but it will do the job. :jealous: :(
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 17, 2013, 10:02:10 PM
A simple a frame and a pulley. Classic but it will do the job. :jealous: :(

Ive got time to figure something out.  It's an MT2 taper so I have to get a collet set still, so its not like I can use it yet anyhow.  I got one ordered though, and a drill chuck.  I need a vice still too, but eventually I can do something cool.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on May 19, 2013, 02:26:59 PM
After over a month it finally arrived. My Danish Cadet with old school scissors modded by the very Syph. :mail:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img43/2715/img03401.jpg)


Props Robert, you do some fine modding!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on May 19, 2013, 02:50:04 PM
You should have included installation in the purchases price, but I guess that is part of the fun. :p

Also, if Syph really is getting out of the 84 game, I can heartily recommend PTRSAk for 84 alox with wenger tools (and Vic tools too).  He did a bang up job on 2 cadets for me.  The list of modders seems to be rather dynamic!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on May 19, 2013, 02:54:39 PM
I could have peened it myself, but I wanted a 84mm threaded pivot knife so I gave Robert a go. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on May 22, 2013, 09:06:57 PM
I just had a thought that you might be able to utilize. Making a locking SAK in the style of those old French shepherd's knives and Navajas with a pull ring.

(http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/images/s1083.jpg)

I'm not sure you're familiar with these. They use the lock back style mechanism to lock the blade in place when open but don't have the part that you have to push to open the lock. Instead they use a split ring or sorts to pull the backspring up to release the blade.

Basically it would require one of your custom backsprings and a slight alteration of the stock blade pivot area.

(one of my famous MS Paint masterpieces :D )
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh627/enki_ck/Modification/Beznaslova_zps21055c3a.jpg)

What do you think? Possible?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 22, 2013, 11:16:39 PM
Oh for sure that's doable.  Interesting idea!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 24, 2013, 06:02:53 PM
FINALLY, after 3 failed hard anodize attempts I have red hard anodized scales and liners again!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_7607.jpg)

I did a mirror polish on the edges and the crosses and engraving plates and that did the trick this time.  Previous attempts the red wasn't taking on some spots and it was getting really frustrating.  So, for all those waiting on my red parts, I finally have them again! :D

The liners turned out really nice as well.  Todays build with be black oxide tools with red liners, so it should be a nice look.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_7617.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_7616.jpg)

And here is the result of the experment of, can I hard anodize the regular cellidor cheap mystery grade of Al... kind of!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_7610.jpg)

They mostly turned out right, except this one looks like it got some viral outbreak.  I suspect the alum boiled through a coating on this liner of some sort.  If I surface sanded it before anodize, that should have prevented the issue.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/f6a2f707-1c53-4fa1-8ee7-0f56d700b10b.jpg)

Cheers! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 25, 2013, 12:18:30 AM
I deployed a set of red scales on a farmer.  I still love the read and shiny brass look.  :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom126/IMG_7645.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom126/IMG_7639.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom126/IMG_7637.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom126/IMG_7635.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom126/IMG_7633.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 25, 2013, 12:45:20 AM
I deployed a set of red scales on a farmer.  I still love the read and shiny brass look.  :tu:
Love it! :tu: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on May 25, 2013, 01:17:10 AM
Oooooh, those look great!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: frjack on May 25, 2013, 05:51:36 AM
I deployed a set of red scales on a farmer.  I still love the read and shiny brass look.  :tu:

That is a really handsome knife. Good work, chap!

Sent from my Nexus S

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 25, 2013, 09:00:47 PM
Here's a new combination that I put together last night. 

This is the first time Ive used the OD green cerakote.  This one has hard anodized red liners and black oxide tools.  I even made the spacer washers for the phillips out of 0.030" nylatron (which is black) to blend in nicely. 

SAKs look best when photographed outdoors in the sun! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom125/IMG_7658.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom125/IMG_7656.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom125/IMG_7653.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom125/IMG_7652.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom125/IMG_7649.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HeXeY on May 25, 2013, 10:07:35 PM
 :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on May 26, 2013, 02:32:12 AM
Very nice indeed - love to the toolset too :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: frjack on May 26, 2013, 05:04:18 AM
That is really cool! I'd love one like that, but I doubt I could afford one. I'll just have to be content with the photos. ;-)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 27, 2013, 06:59:34 PM
I've been using up alot of the 1/8 pivots and only buying a few at a time, so I figured I should see about a larger order.  Knifekits gave me a deal on 200 units.  They just showed up today.  :D

Parts porn!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_7674.jpg)

And I had to count them to see if I really got 200.. it was 203!  Im sure they just count by weight and toss in a few extra to make sure. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_7672.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on May 27, 2013, 07:56:43 PM
Wow 203!!  That's just enough spares to make me a free modded Pioneer
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on May 27, 2013, 08:26:08 PM
I would have counted them too. I wouldn't have been able to help myself :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on May 31, 2013, 03:37:38 PM
 :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on May 31, 2013, 03:40:05 PM
Cannot stop to quote this beautiful image:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_7617.jpg)

 :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 31, 2013, 04:12:58 PM
Just wanted to share some info I got from my electroplater on proper concentrations of sodium hydroxide solution to use for stripping.  I was using too weak of one and it was taking about 15 minutes and not all the red of the shield was coming off.. well turns out when you mix the right levels it takes 10 seconds! and all the red of the shield comes off perfect, with no pitting on the Al.  I just made some of the nicest stripped scales in all of 15 minutes work!!!

The secret formula is 30g NaOH crystals to 100ml water.  Warm to 50C and that reaction takes right off! I was so impressed, this should really help the process be consistent.  Previously I was just dumping what looked like a good amount in, but it turns out I was using far too little.  So I made of a half liter and put in 150g, and it was perfect! :D

Public service announcement... do not try this at home without alot of precautions, as the solution can flash boil up on you.  Im a chemist by formal eduction so Im used to this work.  But still I wear FULL protection gear, full facemask, have buckets of water on hand, and acid to neutralize, AND I do this outdoors and the fumes are severe. The left over solution also needs to be neutralized, dont pour down a drain!

My 25 yr old self would agree! :D  Things would be easy if I still had lab access. I could do elemental analysis on materials, and have a fume hood for this work... oh well that was 15 years ago!

(http://unicorn.mcmaster.ca/group/lessard/bob.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on May 31, 2013, 07:04:45 PM
You look very sciency.  (http://myownthemepark.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/1000px-Mad_scientist_transparent_background-64x64.png)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 04, 2013, 06:41:19 PM
I think this is the first time I've done red scales with red liners.  They look nice though! I did a mirror polish on the backsprings for extra bling.

This one is pretty much a super tinker toolset in alox.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom131/IMG_7817.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom131/IMG_7821.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom131/IMG_7824.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom131/IMG_7826.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom131/IMG_7829.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 04, 2013, 08:54:22 PM
Thing of beauty Syph007 :tu: like always! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on June 05, 2013, 08:33:56 AM
I always enjoy seeing the "New" box next to this thread.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on June 05, 2013, 03:14:03 PM
I think the above model with the opener/Phillips head in a single layer is Syph's signature model these days.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mimifred on June 05, 2013, 07:14:34 PM
I really like the philips...

Next time I order one of your knives, I'll go with one with a philips...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on June 05, 2013, 07:16:16 PM
Fantastic work as ever mate :)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on June 07, 2013, 01:06:08 AM
Somehow red with red just looks so right. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 07, 2013, 05:34:33 PM
Someone else wanted my matte gray scales! 2nd order ever! :D  They look amazing paired with the red liners though so maybe someone else will want it too.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom132/IMG_7844.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom132/IMG_7846.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom132/IMG_7849.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom132/IMG_7851.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom132/IMG_7855.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on June 07, 2013, 05:47:45 PM
That works really well :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 07, 2013, 07:18:25 PM
Another great job, hey if it had blue scales and the red liners, i guess it could kinda go patriotic, no? JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 07, 2013, 07:22:19 PM
Another great job, hey if it had blue scales and the red liners, i guess it could kinda go patriotic, no? JR

Someone asked me to build a SAK with a white front scale, blue back, and red liners.  I think that would be a pretty US color scheme.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on June 07, 2013, 08:14:51 PM
Another great job, hey if it had blue scales and the red liners, i guess it could kinda go patriotic, no? JR

Someone asked me to build a SAK with a white front scale, blue back, and red liners.  I think that would be a pretty US color scheme.


Did you end up doing it?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rshives on June 07, 2013, 08:26:56 PM
I'm the one that asked him for the red/white/blue SAK.  I'm saving up to purchase one.  But if anyone can already afford it don't wait for me.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on June 07, 2013, 09:19:33 PM
Welcome to the forum. :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rshives on June 07, 2013, 09:20:48 PM
Me?  Thank you.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on June 08, 2013, 02:25:04 AM
I'm the one that asked him for the red/white/blue SAK.  I'm saving up to purchase one.  But if anyone can already afford it don't wait for me.


I was just wondering because I wanted to see it.  :) I think its a good idea and the color scheme should be good.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 10, 2013, 02:55:39 PM
This one started as an Elinox solo, but it got expanded to 2 layers with a brass liner and spacer.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom133/IMG_7860.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom133/IMG_7861.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom133/IMG_7864.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on June 10, 2013, 02:58:31 PM
Oh nice, with the original blade!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on June 10, 2013, 03:09:15 PM
One day ... :drool:
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Post by: Syph007 on June 10, 2013, 08:20:55 PM
Some additions to a stock black pioneer.  This phillips was one of the new style that I recently discovered and Im pleased to say that they do indeed work better than the other kind, so it's been a nice change by Vic.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom134/IMG_7876.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom134/IMG_7880.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom134/IMG_7890.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom134/IMG_7894.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 10, 2013, 08:25:31 PM
Beautiful work Syph :salute: :tu:  I'm glad to hear that the new phillips design works well. 
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Post by: Nhoj on June 10, 2013, 08:28:23 PM
Good you got me worried when you discovered it.
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 10, 2013, 08:32:16 PM
Another great mod :clap: gets me more and more excited!! JR
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Post by: Monrogue on June 10, 2013, 08:35:57 PM
Another great mod :clap: gets me more and more excited!! JR

I'm very excited ;)
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 10, 2013, 08:39:08 PM
Another great mod :clap: gets me more and more excited!! JR

I'm very excited ;)
I hope so! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Chaka on June 11, 2013, 03:37:01 AM
Pardon my ignorance.

What's new about the new Phillips?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Nhoj on June 11, 2013, 03:59:52 AM
Pardon my ignorance.

What's new about the new Phillips?

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Here you go
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=45331
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 16, 2013, 08:48:19 PM
I just got in a new run of hard anodized blue parts and they are sweeeet.  Slightly darker shade than my last run, and it looks super nice.

Here is an old school electrician done up with the nice blue scales, polished backsprings and Ti liners/keyring.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom137/IMG_7974.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom137/IMG_7976.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom137/IMG_7978.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom137/IMG_7985.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom137/IMG_7990.jpg)

Cheers
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 16, 2013, 11:32:46 PM
B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L :tu: as normal, JR
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Post by: nuphoria on June 17, 2013, 12:14:23 AM
They are a great colour... lovely stuff :tu:
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Post by: derekmac on June 17, 2013, 12:17:15 AM
I think that blue is one of my favorite colors that you've done so far Robert!  Looks great!
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Post by: Marius on June 17, 2013, 12:52:40 AM
He he. Nice one! Mine was first ;) From 2012:
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Post by: Monrogue on June 17, 2013, 02:25:49 AM
Would that sweet blue one be yours JR? :D
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Post by: Syph007 on June 17, 2013, 03:02:46 AM
Would that sweet blue one be yours JR? :D

His is red. :D

I got the cadet nail file and blade working in the main layer today.  I needed a custom made spring and the catch was that since that spring is stronger than a cadet one, I had to take a bit off the nail file pivot to allow easier opening.  Otherwise it's a super nail breaker.
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Post by: Corso on June 17, 2013, 04:52:13 AM
Would that sweet blue one be yours JR? :D

His is red. :D

I got the cadet nail file and blade working in the main layer today.  I needed a custom made spring and the catch was that since that spring is stronger than a cadet one, I had to take a bit off the nail file pivot to allow easier opening.  Otherwise it's a super nail breaker.

Ah, cool.  Your mod that has the openers and Phillips in one layer, can the awl replace the can opener?  Then we could have the nail file and the awl together on the 93mm chassis.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 17, 2013, 05:48:33 AM
Would that sweet blue one be yours JR? :D

His is red. :D

I got the cadet nail file and blade working in the main layer today.  I needed a custom made spring and the catch was that since that spring is stronger than a cadet one, I had to take a bit off the nail file pivot to allow easier opening.  Otherwise it's a super nail breaker.
Nope, RED! He he, but thanks for the update! So it breaks the nail and then you can file it :D works for me :tu: lol JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 19, 2013, 01:38:00 AM
More blue today. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom138/IMG_7996.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom138/IMG_7999.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom138/IMG_8011.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom138/IMG_8018.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom138/IMG_8029.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom138/IMG_8031.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 19, 2013, 01:46:06 AM
Nice job syph, I'm getting goose bumps waiting! No sneak peeks? :D JR
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Post by: Syph007 on June 19, 2013, 01:50:00 AM
Nice job syph, I'm getting goose bumps waiting! No sneak peeks? :D JR

I got your brass liners cut today. :D  Its currently in the rough assembly stage where I do the fitup on long brass pins, then belt grind the back to make all the springs and liners nice and flush.  Then I take it all apart and hand finish each spring and liner, then polish.  Then I do the final assembly. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 19, 2013, 02:15:01 AM
Nice job syph, I'm getting goose bumps waiting! No sneak peeks? :D JR

I got your brass liners cut today. :D  Its currently in the rough assembly stage where I do the fitup on long brass pins, then belt grind the back to make all the springs and liners nice and flush.  Then I take it all apart and hand finish each spring and liner, then polish.  Then I do the final assembly.
So in other words no sneak peaks :( JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 19, 2013, 02:19:12 AM
Nice job syph, I'm getting goose bumps waiting! No sneak peeks? :D JR

I got your brass liners cut today. :D  Its currently in the rough assembly stage where I do the fitup on long brass pins, then belt grind the back to make all the springs and liners nice and flush.  Then I take it all apart and hand finish each spring and liner, then polish.  Then I do the final assembly.
So in other words no sneak peaks :( JR

Well nothing pretty to see yet, but I can snap some progress pics for you.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 19, 2013, 02:22:10 AM
Nice job syph, I'm getting goose bumps waiting! No sneak peeks? :D JR

I got your brass liners cut today. :D  Its currently in the rough assembly stage where I do the fitup on long brass pins, then belt grind the back to make all the springs and liners nice and flush.  Then I take it all apart and hand finish each spring and liner, then polish.  Then I do the final assembly.
So in other words no sneak peaks :( JR

Well nothing pretty to see yet, but I can snap some progress pics for you.   :tu:
:woohoo: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Corso on June 19, 2013, 03:43:19 AM
Your mod that has the openers and Phillips in one layer, can the awl replace the can opener?  Then we could have the nail file and the awl together on the 93mm chassis.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 19, 2013, 04:14:32 AM
Your mod that has the openers and Phillips in one layer, can the awl replace the can opener?  Then we could have the nail file and the awl together on the 93mm chassis.

I dont think so, but it would be really close.  I did put the awl where the can opener was before, but I had to bend the tip of the bottle opener to allow room, and I didnt love doing that.  The phillips might allow for the awl, but its longer than the can opener is... if it fits it would be a tight squeeze.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 19, 2013, 03:45:54 PM

This is all the springs for your mod and brass liners rough cut.  I used to try to finish each part on its own, then I clued in to do a rough assemble and grind the whole back all at once so they are nice and flush, then finish them individually.

The long L pins make it easy to quickly disassembles, and I have a bucket of old msc broken parts that I use as temp fit up pieces just so the springs are just right. It works great. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/06b6730a-2f9b-4e78-aacd-f9f657a26fbf.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8048.jpg)
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Post by: Monrogue on June 19, 2013, 04:03:09 PM
Looks good Syph :tu:  Looks like JR's getting a beast of an Alox mod as well huh? 
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 19, 2013, 05:20:01 PM
 :drool: :drool: :drool: I got goose bumps! JR
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Post by: Monrogue on June 19, 2013, 05:28:23 PM
:drool: :drool: :drool: I got goose bumps! JR

I bet you do ;)  Can't wait to see pics of the completed SAK :D  I'm loving mine, and I'm happy you are finally getting yours soon :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Jailbird on June 19, 2013, 06:35:28 PM
I am so jealous of all these syph007 mods!  Only a few more weeks and I'll have the cash to place an order.

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Post by: Syph007 on June 19, 2013, 07:25:48 PM
Here are some more part way through finishing the back grinding.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8065.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8066.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8067.jpg)

And here are the pieces that were in that stack for grinding all done. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8068.jpg)

Next I do 600 grit slack belt sanding, then 800 wet/dry by hand, then wool buff and polish.  Ive never photographed those steps, so while Im doing this I might as well show the process and I'll take pics at each stage.

Doing the liners and springs is usually the most time consuming part of the job.  Then I can make the pivots and assemble.   :tu:
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 19, 2013, 09:03:50 PM
 No more goosebumps,  :drool: :drool: I keep having to rub my eyes and wipe the drool off my face,, JR
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Post by: Monrogue on June 19, 2013, 09:53:16 PM
No more goosebumps,  :drool: :drool: I keep having to rub my eyes and wipe the drool off my face,, JR

Oh so close.... ;)
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Post by: derekmac on June 20, 2013, 12:48:06 PM
No more goosebumps,  :drool: :drool: I keep having to rub my eyes and wipe the drool off my face,, JR
I'm drooling too and it's not even mine!  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 20, 2013, 09:33:30 PM
Ok I got a question for everyone, what size sheath is needed for one of syph007's custom sak's? I have two of the thick brown(but looks red) basket weave ones but both are extra large, any clue if a medium or large will fit a farmer with scissors and syph's patten Philips/openers? Thanks, JR
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Post by: Syph007 on June 20, 2013, 09:46:31 PM
Here, I will tease you with a pic of one part I just made.  :D  This is the old brass keyring spacer riveted with a 1/16 brass pin to the new liner I made.  Sanded, polished and ready to rock.  When I do brass or Ti liners and keyrings I rivet them together as it drives me nuts when they move after assembly.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8070.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8073.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8076.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8080.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 20, 2013, 10:08:20 PM
 :drool: :gimme: NOW!!!! lol JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on June 20, 2013, 10:36:06 PM
 :drool: :drool:


Can't wait to see it installed and working
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: user24 on June 21, 2013, 12:29:11 PM
it drives me nuts when they move after assembly

Yes! Me too. This happens on factory alox and it bugs me. I can wiggle the keyring nub back and forth on the farmer. It's like a loose tooth you just can't stop wiggling it. Arghhhh!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 23, 2013, 04:26:17 PM
Ok, Im all done Big Red. :D

First some closed shots from various angles.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8089.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8094.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8099.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8100.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8107.jpg)

And some open shots showing all the tools, and the first for me of putting on a cadet nail file.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8120.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8125.jpg)

And a close up of the nail file nail nick.  It really did need a thicker spring to force it up higher, it wont work with a standard blade spring as nicely.  Well you could bend up the spring to raise it higher, but then the springs wouldnt be flush on the back.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8128.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8133.jpg)

I tried to show the spacers here for the phillips but it's hard to see. I made them from brass as well and polished them.  They look sweet in person, but hard to photograph.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom139/IMG_8136.jpg)

Cheers!
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 23, 2013, 05:02:49 PM
Ok, Im all done Big Red. :D
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom139/IMG_8125.jpg)
Cheers!
:drool: :drool: :drool:
Big Red huh, I was thinking something like the cadet farmer+ but Big Red fits too, :tu: very nice job! Can't wait! Oh you never gave me a true width? Gotta find me a nice sheath for BR :D JR
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Post by: Syph007 on June 23, 2013, 05:42:44 PM
Ok, Im all done Big Red. :D
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom139/IMG_8125.jpg)
Cheers!
:drool: :drool: :drool:
Big Red huh, I was thinking something like the cadet farmer+ but Big Red fits too, :tu: very nice job! Can't wait! Oh you never gave me a true width? Gotta find me a nice sheath for BR :D JR

LOL you can rename her once the adoption papers are final. :D

Its about 20mm, or just a tiny bit wider than 3/4 inch.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 23, 2013, 06:20:27 PM
Ok, Im all done Big Red. :D
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom139/IMG_8125.jpg)
Cheers!
:drool: :drool: :drool:
Big Red huh, I was thinking something like the cadet farmer+ but Big Red fits too, :tu: very nice job! Can't wait! Oh you never gave me a true width? Gotta find me a nice sheath for BR :D JR

LOL you can rename her once the adoption papers are final. :D

Its about 20mm, or just a tiny bit wider than 3/4 inch.
Lol, ball buster! Pm was sent,, JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nuphoria on June 23, 2013, 06:59:05 PM
Awesome.

I've always wanted an 84mm file in a 91mm knife... now I want it even more! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 23, 2013, 10:46:39 PM
Looks sweet Syph, and congrats JR!  I bet you're chomping at the bit to get your hands on it:))

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Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 23, 2013, 10:57:24 PM
Looks sweet Syph, and congrats JR!  I bet you're chomping at the bit to get your hands on it:))

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You got that right! :mail: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 23, 2013, 10:59:40 PM
Looks sweet Syph, and congrats JR!  I bet you're chomping at the bit to get your hands on it:))

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You got that right! :mail: JR

I hope it makes a speedy trip to your mailbox.  Believe me, I understand the anticipation;)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 23, 2013, 11:17:26 PM
Looks sweet Syph, and congrats JR!  I bet you're chomping at the bit to get your hands on it:))

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You got that right! :mail: JR

I hope it makes a speedy trip to your mailbox.  Believe me, I understand the anticipation;)

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Not to fast, i still need something to complete they whole setup, so im waiting for answer in regards, but of course they don't answer it while on the weekend,, but if its what im after, there in the same state, and will probably be here before the knife.. JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 23, 2013, 11:36:08 PM
Looks sweet Syph, and congrats JR!  I bet you're chomping at the bit to get your hands on it:))

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You got that right! :mail: JR

I hope it makes a speedy trip to your mailbox.  Believe me, I understand the anticipation;)

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Not to fast, i still need something to complete they whole setup, so im waiting for answer in regards, but of course they don't answer it while on the weekend,, but if its what im after, there in the same state, and will probably be here before the knife.. JR

Oh what else are you getting?  Or will you not say until you get it;)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 23, 2013, 11:46:55 PM
Looks sweet Syph, and congrats JR!  I bet you're chomping at the bit to get your hands on it:))

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You got that right! :mail: JR

I hope it makes a speedy trip to your mailbox.  Believe me, I understand the anticipation;)

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Not to fast, i still need something to complete they whole setup, so im waiting for answer in regards, but of course they don't answer it while on the weekend,, but if its what im after, there in the same state, and will probably be here before the knife.. JR

Oh what else are you getting?  Or will you not say until you get it;)

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It wouldn't be a surprise if i told you now would it! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 24, 2013, 03:25:55 AM
Looks sweet Syph, and congrats JR!  I bet you're chomping at the bit to get your hands on it:))

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You got that right! :mail: JR

I hope it makes a speedy trip to your mailbox.  Believe me, I understand the anticipation;)

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Not to fast, i still need something to complete they whole setup, so im waiting for answer in regards, but of course they don't answer it while on the weekend,, but if its what im after, there in the same state, and will probably be here before the knife.. JR

Oh what else are you getting?  Or will you not say until you get it;)

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It wouldn't be a surprise if i told you now would it! JR

I thought you would say that;).  I'm excited for you though.  Can't wait to see pics of your goodies!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 24, 2013, 03:58:08 AM
Looks sweet Syph, and congrats JR!  I bet you're chomping at the bit to get your hands on it:))

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You got that right! :mail: JR

I hope it makes a speedy trip to your mailbox.  Believe me, I understand the anticipation;)

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk 2
Not to fast, i still need something to complete they whole setup, so im waiting for answer in regards, but of course they don't answer it while on the weekend,, but if its what im after, there in the same state, and will probably be here before the knife.. JR

Oh what else are you getting?  Or will you not say until you get it;)

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It wouldn't be a surprise if i told you now would it! JR

I thought you would say that;).  I'm excited for you though.  Can't wait to see pics of your goodies!

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I know  :P all in due time! Thanks.. JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 26, 2013, 05:07:21 PM
Here's a new one configuration.  Well basically it is my standard phillips/openers mod, but with a mag glass.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom140/IMG_8163.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom140/IMG_8170.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom140/IMG_8175.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom140/IMG_8186.jpg)

There is always more parts than it seems, for these mods.  I still make custom washers for all the layers that need it.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom140/IMG_8156.jpg)

To get the mag glass to sit nice and low, I removed a rounded recess in the springs, and also the nub from the mag glass.  Without both of those tweaks I dont like how high it sits.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom140/IMG_8153.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom140/IMG_8149.jpg)

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sazabi on June 26, 2013, 05:09:50 PM
Syph, do you have any issues with extracting the magnifier without the nub?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 26, 2013, 05:11:03 PM
Syph, do you have any issues with extracting the magnifier without the nub?

None at all.  It still sits high enough that pinch opening is easy.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 26, 2013, 05:14:50 PM
Thing of beauty, again! Can't wait till mine comes in, JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on June 26, 2013, 05:54:00 PM
Very nice as usual! Now only if dreaming of a metal mag glass holder :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 26, 2013, 06:37:18 PM
Very nice as usual! Now only if dreaming of a metal mag glass holder :)

That would be great, especially with the actual glass lens :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rshives on June 26, 2013, 06:46:15 PM
Yeah, that does look pretty sharp. Nice job.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 30, 2013, 01:46:31 AM
Yo-man!  Guess what I built today. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom142/IMG_8229.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom142/IMG_8224.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom142/IMG_8248.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom142/Components.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on June 30, 2013, 02:32:00 AM
Stop torturing me! :ahhh




Great color combo. ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 30, 2013, 03:19:15 AM
The old gray mags are so much more fitting for a yeoman.  Much hard to come across now though in good condition though.  I've only got a few left now, but at least the newest mags are glass again, and I have more on the way.

Black and red rules!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 30, 2013, 03:36:47 AM
Stop torturing me! :ahhh




Great color combo. ;)
Sucks don't it! lol at least now I can just look over at my dresser and see mine  :D nice job again syph! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on June 30, 2013, 03:54:22 AM
This thread should come with a dehydration warning.  :drool: :drool: :drool:  Stop making me drool!!  :twak:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 30, 2013, 04:14:05 AM
Stop torturing me! :ahhh




Great color combo. ;)
Sucks don't it! lol at least now I can just look over at my dresser and see mine  :D nice job again syph! JR

+1 on that ;)  I have both of my Syph mods on me right now :D 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Roll360 on June 30, 2013, 07:22:30 AM
Hi Syph love your work  :)
I was thinking of having a go at some moding myself and I was after some help.
When you started out using the Solo springs for the scissors (before you made your own)
did you space out the scissors or did you grind the spring down a little so the spring had some clearance?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 30, 2013, 01:56:15 PM
Hi Syph love your work  :)
I was thinking of having a go at some moding myself and I was after some help.
When you started out using the Solo springs for the scissors (before you made your own)
did you space out the scissors or did you grind the spring down a little so the spring had some clearance?

Yes you need to grind the spring some, but not too much.  The solo springs work much better with the fat scissors handle types too.  The modern ones have a slimmer thumb rest area, but if you use the slightly older ones that have a larger thumb rest, they work very well with solo springs.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Roll360 on June 30, 2013, 02:22:51 PM
Hi Syph love your work  :)
I was thinking of having a go at some moding myself and I was after some help.
When you started out using the Solo springs for the scissors (before you made your own)
did you space out the scissors or did you grind the spring down a little so the spring had some clearance?

Yes you need to grind the spring some, but not too much.  The solo springs work much better with the fat scissors handle types too.  The modern ones have a slimmer thumb rest area, but if you use the slightly older ones that have a larger thumb rest, they work very well with solo springs.

Does that mean the new scissors sit lower when closed?
And by older do you mean the scissors that don't have the hook as the back tool?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 30, 2013, 03:41:53 PM
Hi Syph love your work  :)
I was thinking of having a go at some moding myself and I was after some help.
When you started out using the Solo springs for the scissors (before you made your own)
did you space out the scissors or did you grind the spring down a little so the spring had some clearance?

Yes you need to grind the spring some, but not too much.  The solo springs work much better with the fat scissors handle types too.  The modern ones have a slimmer thumb rest area, but if you use the slightly older ones that have a larger thumb rest, they work very well with solo springs.

Does that mean the new scissors sit lower when closed?
And by older do you mean the scissors that don't have the hook as the back tool?

Nope not that old (but those will work), but before the brass rivet they use now.  There have bee 8 variations of scissors that Ive seen so far, but if you compare the part where your thumb goes, the current scissors are thinner than the older.  The current ones with a solo spring will sit too low, or you can splice in some metal to act as a rest.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on June 30, 2013, 04:04:37 PM
Great work on this one, Syph!   :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 30, 2013, 07:33:34 PM
A few more up close ones as teasers.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom142/IMG_8279.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom142/IMG_8287.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom142/IMG_8309.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on June 30, 2013, 10:51:40 PM
Really looks good. Like to see more of the OD scales and red liners.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Roll360 on July 01, 2013, 07:52:18 AM
Hi Syph love your work  :)
I was thinking of having a go at some moding myself and I was after some help.
When you started out using the Solo springs for the scissors (before you made your own)
did you space out the scissors or did you grind the spring down a little so the spring had some clearance?

Yes you need to grind the spring some, but not too much.  The solo springs work much better with the fat scissors handle types too.  The modern ones have a slimmer thumb rest area, but if you use the slightly older ones that have a larger thumb rest, they work very well with solo springs.

Does that mean the new scissors sit lower when closed?
And by older do you mean the scissors that don't have the hook as the back tool?

Nope not that old (but those will work), but before the brass rivet they use now.  There have bee 8 variations of scissors that Ive seen so far, but if you compare the part where your thumb goes, the current scissors are thinner than the older.  The current ones with a solo spring will sit too low, or you can splice in some metal to act as a rest.

Thanks for the info Syph, I didn't know there were that many variations.  :o
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 01, 2013, 04:39:57 PM
Hi Syph love your work  :)
I was thinking of having a go at some moding myself and I was after some help.
When you started out using the Solo springs for the scissors (before you made your own)
did you space out the scissors or did you grind the spring down a little so the spring had some clearance?

Yes you need to grind the spring some, but not too much.  The solo springs work much better with the fat scissors handle types too.  The modern ones have a slimmer thumb rest area, but if you use the slightly older ones that have a larger thumb rest, they work very well with solo springs.

Does that mean the new scissors sit lower when closed?
And by older do you mean the scissors that don't have the hook as the back tool?

Nope not that old (but those will work), but before the brass rivet they use now.  There have bee 8 variations of scissors that Ive seen so far, but if you compare the part where your thumb goes, the current scissors are thinner than the older.  The current ones with a solo spring will sit too low, or you can splice in some metal to act as a rest.

Thanks for the info Syph, I didn't know there were that many variations.  :o

I'll dig out the different scissors later today, to show what I mean.  But if you can find the thicker thumb rest ones, they work just perfect.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 02, 2013, 06:27:07 PM
Whoo hoo!  Im restocked on white scales!   The BO tools and white scales were crazy popular, so the stormtrooper will be a standard mod item I will carry.

I even did 4 sets of cadet scales this round, to make some minis.   :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_8322.jpg)

Hard to tell with the overcast lighting, but I did an old cross and soldier shield as well. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_8326.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 02, 2013, 06:44:03 PM
And here is something a bit different for today's mod.  An electrician with scissors and bi color silver/red scales with red liners and a pocket clip!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom143/IMG_8330.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom143/IMG_8333.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom143/IMG_8337.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom143/IMG_8345.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 02, 2013, 06:48:24 PM
That's different, and cool.  Nice one Syph :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on July 02, 2013, 08:38:38 PM
I really like the Bi-Color scales. I have always wanted a Black and Silver alox for my Raiders. The white scales looks amazing and a white Cadet sounds sweet! I still need to get a custom by you, but need to save some money. Hopefully soon enough. Great work Syph.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 02, 2013, 10:30:53 PM
Nice, why not blue dividers? that would have made it really cool for Thursday! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on July 02, 2013, 10:44:37 PM
And here is something a bit different for today's mod.  An electrician with scissors and bi color silver/red scales with red liners and a pocket clip!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/Custom143/IMG_8330.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/Custom143/IMG_8333.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/Custom143/IMG_8337.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/Custom143/IMG_8345.jpg)

Canadian Electrician!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 02, 2013, 11:13:16 PM

Canadian Electrician!


Love the name, but its going to a customer in Indonesia. :D  My SAKs find there way to all parts of the world.

I did think it would be nice to use the other red scale with a white cerakote one for a red/white look.   :tu:  Country themed SAKs!  I do have blue liners for a red/white/blue mod too. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Jakarta on July 03, 2013, 06:32:22 AM


Canadian Electrician!


Love the name, but its going to a customer in Indonesia. :D  My SAKs find there way to all parts of the world.


Yup... Mine mine mine...  8)
BTW, you can call it the "Indonesian Electrician" since we also use the same 2 colours in our flag...
Thanks Master Syph...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 03, 2013, 06:48:08 AM


Canadian Electrician!


Love the name, but its going to a customer in Indonesia. :D  My SAKs find there way to all parts of the world.


Yup... Mine mine mine...  8)
BTW, you can call it the "Indonesian Electrician" since we also use the same 2 colours in our flag...
Thanks Master Syph...
That's pretty cool! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on July 03, 2013, 08:31:31 AM
Mhm, somehow bi-colour scales on a SAK don't do it for me.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 03, 2013, 02:56:22 PM


Canadian Electrician!


Love the name, but its going to a customer in Indonesia. :D  My SAKs find there way to all parts of the world.


Yup... Mine mine mine...  8)
BTW, you can call it the "Indonesian Electrician" since we also use the same 2 colours in our flag...
Thanks Master Syph...

Welcome to the forum, and enjoy that sweet Syph custom :cheers:  He does indeed do good work :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 03, 2013, 03:09:03 PM


Canadian Electrician!


Love the name, but its going to a customer in Indonesia. :D  My SAKs find there way to all parts of the world.


Yup... Mine mine mine...  8)
BTW, you can call it the "Indonesian Electrician" since we also use the same 2 colours in our flag...
Thanks Master Syph...

Welcome to the forum, and enjoy that sweet Syph custom :cheers:  He does indeed do good work :salute:

Jakarta is a 3x customer.  :tu:  I think I got him addicted.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Roll360 on July 03, 2013, 03:33:31 PM


Canadian Electrician!


Love the name, but its going to a customer in Indonesia. :D  My SAKs find there way to all parts of the world.


Yup... Mine mine mine...  8)
BTW, you can call it the "Indonesian Electrician" since we also use the same 2 colours in our flag...
Thanks Master Syph...

Welcome to the forum, and enjoy that sweet Syph custom :cheers:  He does indeed do good work :salute:

Jakarta is a 3x customer.  :tu:  I think I got him addicted.  :D

I think your great work may be giving a lot of folks the POX  ;)
I feel a bit sick myself.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 03, 2013, 03:52:01 PM


Canadian Electrician!


Love the name, but its going to a customer in Indonesia. :D  My SAKs find there way to all parts of the world.


Yup... Mine mine mine...  8)
BTW, you can call it the "Indonesian Electrician" since we also use the same 2 colours in our flag...
Thanks Master Syph...

Welcome to the forum, and enjoy that sweet Syph custom :cheers:  He does indeed do good work :salute:

Jakarta is a 3x customer.  :tu:  I think I got him addicted.  :D

Can't say that I blame him ;)  I'm still loving mine, and wishing I could carry both all the time :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Jakarta on July 04, 2013, 11:44:49 AM


Canadian Electrician!


Love the name, but its going to a customer in Indonesia. :D  My SAKs find there way to all parts of the world.


Yup... Mine mine mine...  8)
BTW, you can call it the "Indonesian Electrician" since we also use the same 2 colours in our flag...
Thanks Master Syph...

Welcome to the forum, and enjoy that sweet Syph custom :cheers:  He does indeed do good work :salute:

Jakarta is a 3x customer.  :tu:  I think I got him addicted.  :D

Sssshhh... not too loud please - the wallet :police: at home might be listening...  >:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on July 04, 2013, 07:43:54 PM
...
Jakarta is a 3x customer.  :tu:  I think I got him addicted.  :D

Sssshhh... not too loud please - the wallet :police: at home might be listening...  >:D

:rofl:

Welcome to the forum, Jakarta. :waving:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Jakarta on July 05, 2013, 05:36:54 AM
Thank you... :-)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 15, 2013, 12:55:46 AM
I've been in parts prep mode for 2 weeks now getting parts ready for a massive black oxide run this week.  Well massive for me anyhow as normally I'll do 8 sets of parts at a time. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Black%20Oxide/IMG_8432.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Black%20Oxide/IMG_8428.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Black%20Oxide/IMG_8430.jpg)

It doesn't look like that many parts in this modest little bucket, but here is what lies below the surface...

58mm
2x classic
4x rambler

84mm
2x bantam
2x cadet
2x cadet II

91mm
2x spartan
2x tinker

93mm
7x pioneers + scissors
3x pioneers + scissors & phillips

:D :D :D :D :D

So I get to build a bunch of new models next week.  The 58mm BO parts are going to be built with polished brass liners and scales.  I remembered to include the split rings as well, so hopefully they turn out nice too.

2 of the BO/brass ramblers are spoken for, but the rest will be up for grabs.

Cheers
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on July 15, 2013, 01:23:30 PM
I've been wondering why so few posts here lately. Now I see. :D Looking to the dark side BO update. :2tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 15, 2013, 09:39:17 PM
I've been wondering why so few posts here lately. Now I see. :D Looking to the dark side BO update. :2tu:

Im trying to make progress on all the projects I started but havent finished.  Right now Im working on

58 brass minichamp
58 Ti minichamp
58 with pliers

And also prepping more alox scales for black, and trying to tram in my mill and get some 91mm scales cut to join in with the black HA3 run.  So lots going on, but not much to show yet.... but soon.  Ive also got a wacky new concept pocket knife that Ive been working on a prototype for.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on July 15, 2013, 10:29:04 PM
Would the concept pocket knife include some of those custom knife blades you had done some time ago? ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on July 16, 2013, 03:42:39 AM
I've been wondering why so few posts here lately. Now I see. :D Looking to the dark side BO update. :2tu:

Im trying to make progress on all the projects I started but havent finished.  Right now Im working on

58 brass minichamp
58 Ti minichamp
58 with pliers

And also prepping more alox scales for black, and trying to tram in my mill and get some 91mm scales cut to join in with the black HA3 run.  So lots going on, but not much to show yet.... but soon.  Ive also got a wacky new concept pocket knife that Ive been working on a prototype for.

58 pliers??? Wowza!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on July 16, 2013, 01:23:21 PM
I've been wondering why so few posts here lately. Now I see. :D Looking to the dark side BO update. :2tu:

Im trying to make progress on all the projects I started but havent finished.  Right now Im working on

58 brass minichamp
58 Ti minichamp
58 with pliers

And also prepping more alox scales for black, and trying to tram in my mill and get some 91mm scales cut to join in with the black HA3 run.  So lots going on, but not much to show yet.... but soon.  Ive also got a wacky new concept pocket knife that Ive been working on a prototype for.

58 pliers??? Wowza!


It's a project Robert started a couple of months ago in the My small adventure into 58mm SAK modding! (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,43286.msg706006.html#msg706006) thread. :cheers:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/58mm%20Modding/IMG_6461.jpg)


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 16, 2013, 03:42:30 PM
Oh look at the cute little pliers :D  Those are cool actually :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Ombudsman on July 16, 2013, 07:16:28 PM
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/58mm%20Modding/IMG_6461.jpg)

What about using Wenger "slip-joint" Pliers ?

(http://www.sakwiki.com/show_image.php?id=600)

They are a little smaller and the slip-joint will provide a lower profile when closed  :tu:

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee21/edap617/SAK/SAM_2099.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 18, 2013, 04:14:36 AM
Well I finally got my mill trammed in today so I was fiddling around with different bits and I think I got a nice pattern for cutting my own alox scales.  This is 1/8" thick 6061, with a pattern cut using a 1/8 in ball nose bit.  All done manually, but I dont mind cranking out a few 91mm scales by hand so I can include them in the next black hard anodize run. 

I've been waiting a very long time to do some protype 91mm alox scales.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/IMG_8516.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/IMG_8518.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rickinFL on July 18, 2013, 04:24:23 AM
WOW!  Look forward to seeing the end result.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 18, 2013, 06:32:06 AM
Very interesting, can't wait to see a final result! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on July 18, 2013, 01:34:39 PM
Looks very good. :tu: What size is the checkered pattern, bigger, smaller or the same size as the Vics? Maybe a side by side pic. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 18, 2013, 02:08:35 PM
Looks very good. :tu: What size is the checkered pattern, bigger, smaller or the same size as the Vics? Maybe a side by side pic. :D

That pattern is bigger since I only had an 1/8 bit to work with.  I think it will work ok for big knives, but if I was to texture say some brass 58 scales I would want smaller.  The problem of course is that smaller bits have shorter cutting life.  I'm still playing around, but its fun coming up with ideas. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on July 18, 2013, 02:17:44 PM
Looks very good. :tu: What size is the checkered pattern, bigger, smaller or the same size as the Vics? Maybe a side by side pic. :D

That pattern is bigger since I only had an 1/8 bit to work with.  I think it will work ok for big knives, but if I was to texture say some brass 58 scales I would want smaller.  The problem of course is that smaller bits have shorter cutting life.  I'm still playing around, but its fun coming up with ideas. :D

Yea, I realise now. :D I was too lazy to do the imperial -> metric math to figure out what size bit it was. Did it now, 3mm. ;) Looking forward to see this progress. :tu:

Yesterday I was browsing through my photobucket library and saw this sketch I made some time ago. ;)

(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh627/enki_ck/SAK/clip.jpg)

Soon I think.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 18, 2013, 02:49:46 PM
Looks very good. :tu: What size is the checkered pattern, bigger, smaller or the same size as the Vics? Maybe a side by side pic. :D

That pattern is bigger since I only had an 1/8 bit to work with.  I think it will work ok for big knives, but if I was to texture say some brass 58 scales I would want smaller.  The problem of course is that smaller bits have shorter cutting life.  I'm still playing around, but its fun coming up with ideas. :D

Yea, I realise now. :D I was too lazy to do the imperial -> metric math to figure out what size bit it was. Did it now, 3mm. ;) Looking forward to see this progress. :tu:

Yesterday I was browsing through my photobucket library and saw this sketch I made some time ago. ;)

(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh627/enki_ck/SAK/clip.jpg)

Soon I think.

Ya about 3mm.  The channels are about 2mm apart though since only the tip of the bit is used.

I know that clip idea will happen eventually! There are just way too many things on my todo list to try.  I still need to fit a fero rod on a bushcrafter SAK too. :D  Lately Ive been getting more requests for a 58 with pliers, which is why I went back to figuring that mod out.  A rambler with a pair of pliers stuck in the middle of it, would be a popular mod it seems.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on July 18, 2013, 11:22:37 PM
  Are the 1/8" scales thick enough to hold some T&T? I hope not because I wasn't a fan of Alox but then became one when I saw you mods. Now all I need is money for a 58mm with pliers, a regular 91mm with the factory scales and a 91mm with your home brew scales with T&T. Thank you a lot for making me poor'er  :cheers: :salute:

  Hope you're making good use of you mill!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on July 18, 2013, 11:46:48 PM
Are you using coolant?  Makes for a nicer finish and longer tool life.
With small work like this, a trigger spray bottle would be sufficient, no need for a pump.

A round tip conical carbide bit might get you a narrower pattern than a ball end.

(http://www.eternaltools.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Carbide-Burs-Set.gif) 3rd from the top
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 19, 2013, 07:24:30 PM
Are you using coolant?  Makes for a nicer finish and longer tool life.
With small work like this, a trigger spray bottle would be sufficient, no need for a pump.

A round tip conical carbide bit might get you a narrower pattern than a ball end.

(http://www.eternaltools.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Carbide-Burs-Set.gif) 3rd from the top

Oh no that was just cut dry.  I was only messing around to see what spacing would look right.  I first tried a 45 degree end mill, and that did not work well at all.  What I think I might try next is a staight end mill, but tilt the head 45 degrees.  That should cut nice V slots.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 19, 2013, 09:08:39 PM
My latest is a farmer with scissors and a small serrated blade.  I can testify that the serrated blade shreds though flesh very well.   ;)

The serrations were cut by hand, and then I used a belt sanding sharpener belt to put an edge back on the non serrated side.  Worked out great.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom145/IMG_8530.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom145/IMG_8534.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom145/IMG_8539.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom145/IMG_8543.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom145/IMG_8546.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 19, 2013, 09:16:59 PM
Nice job :tu: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 02, 2013, 04:55:02 PM
I got a few black oxide parts in yesterday....  :whistle:

A bunch of stormtroopers are going to go together for sure, and some 58 ramblers with brass scales.

I even made up some keyring spacers from 410 stainless so I could do stormtroopers with keyrings.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Black%20Oxide/IMG_8659.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on August 02, 2013, 06:37:09 PM
I'll take one BO scissors. ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 04, 2013, 09:27:45 PM
I dont think Ive done hard anodized blue scales with black tools before, so here is one.

I even made a keyring nub from stainless 410 and had that BO'd with the keyring.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom148/IMG_8748.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom148/IMG_8752.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom148/IMG_8758.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom148/IMG_8765.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom148/IMG_8781.jpg)

Cheers. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stealth007s on August 04, 2013, 09:50:11 PM
I don't think I've posted in your thread yet but nice work on all this ALOX stuff Robert. I don't have an ALOX SAK yet but I swear to you that I will get one of yours one day soon.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on August 05, 2013, 03:00:06 AM
Black 'n' blue ;)  Very nice :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on August 05, 2013, 06:02:59 AM
Wow my son would love that black and blue! Maybe I will get 2 one for each boy. Black and blue, and green and black.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on August 06, 2013, 07:30:11 AM
Alright I know I say this a lot but that's my favorite one yet.  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on August 06, 2013, 04:20:28 PM
Wow my son would love that black and blue! Maybe I will get 2 one for each boy. Black and blue, and green and black.
Blue and green hah, same here, if we ever have to get two of the same thing they have to be one blue and one green. LOVE the color combo Syph! Perfect fit! GREAT job! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: wolfstyle on August 07, 2013, 12:49:47 PM
Email sent.

wolfstyle
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 21, 2013, 10:41:06 PM
And now for something completely different.

It's a Vic and Wenger merger into an alox frame.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom157/IMG_9043.jpg)

I wasnt sure about the pliers, but after some handle reprofiling, the parts mockup seems like it will all work out.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom157/IMG_9044.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom157/IMG_9051.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom157/IMG_9053.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom157/IMG_9056.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom157/IMG_9059.jpg)

I should be done tomorrow if it works out as I expect.

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rickinFL on August 22, 2013, 12:23:41 AM
Nice.  I'm hoping to use the left over wenger phillips on cadet mod. Also a big fan of wenger pliers.  Someone is getting a very nice tool!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on August 22, 2013, 03:57:15 AM
Very cool Syph :tu: 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Nhoj on August 22, 2013, 04:41:16 AM
Looking cool so far!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on August 22, 2013, 04:49:54 PM
WOW!  :drool: Man, I just love all these posts! Too bad I don't have the tim€ or $kill to do the same. I'm going to start with some chinese knock-off SAKs to train my hand at disassemble/assemble. Maybe in a while I can have some unique SAKs of my own!

Thanks for the share!

 :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 22, 2013, 05:36:08 PM
This one is coming along.  I only need another hour or so.  I needed to cut a nail nick in the pliers to get them out, but it turned out just fine.  First time Ive done that, but a steady dremel hand was all it took.

I'll post more pics later today.

Cheers
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 22, 2013, 09:11:46 PM
Wow getting this one together was a pain, but totally worth it.  I love how it turned out and now I know that wenger pliers can indeed go on alox.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom157/IMG_9064.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom157/IMG_9065.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom157/IMG_9068.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom157/IMG_9069.jpg)

Here is the nail nick I added with a dremel, then sanded to smooth it over.  Works great!  I was nervous to do this on a part that I had no backups of, but it turned out great!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom157/IMG_9079.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom157/IMG_9093.jpg)

This is for sure a unique one and I hope the lucky owner enjoys it! 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on August 22, 2013, 09:14:17 PM
That is very cool and indeed unique.  Nice job Syph :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on August 22, 2013, 10:18:56 PM
WOW!!!   :o  :ahhh  That nail nick is very impressive!    :D  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on August 22, 2013, 10:22:35 PM
That turned out great! :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: chivaceae on August 22, 2013, 10:23:23 PM
Wow getting this one together was a pain, but totally worth it.  I love how it turned out and now I know that wenger pliers can indeed go on alox.
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom157/IMG_9065.jpg)

Great job Robert. Can I ask what spring you used for the wenger pliers in that alox, and which spring for the wrench and phillips? Thanks.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on August 22, 2013, 10:37:49 PM
...
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom157/IMG_9069.jpg)
...

Great tool combo and executions but this picture I like the most for some reason. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 22, 2013, 10:46:14 PM
Wow getting this one together was a pain, but totally worth it.  I love how it turned out and now I know that wenger pliers can indeed go on alox.
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom157/IMG_9065.jpg)

Great job Robert. Can I ask what spring you used for the wenger pliers in that alox, and which spring for the wrench and phillips? Thanks.

For the phillips/wrench I used a blade backspring.  They are 0.105 thick.  The same thickness as the wrench, but the phillips is 0.110 so I saned off 0.05 from the phillips side to make it just right.

The pliers were also 0.105 thick, but the rivets on the side of the pliers needed much more space, so I used the thickest custom spring I have at 0.0145 thick with 0.020" washers on each side.  Worked out just right. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 23, 2013, 09:42:03 PM
Remember those 154cm blades I had made a looong time ago.. well I finally got one in a knife.

I make the thick spacer out of Titanium, and yes this has a bail with tapered tips to fit in torx T9 screws.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom158/IMG_9133.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom158/IMG_9149.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom158/IMG_9152.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom158/IMG_9156.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom158/IMG_9167.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom158/IMG_9172.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom158/IMG_9179.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on August 24, 2013, 03:08:38 AM
Wow man, that's super cool :tu:  I love that blade :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on August 24, 2013, 03:15:21 AM
Very interesting! Very unique! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on August 24, 2013, 04:29:21 PM
It's not only a super awesome blade that Syph made but another superb alox SAK.  If I ever get rich I'm hiring him full time to build a nice custom collection for me (dreaming)...   :whistle:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 07, 2013, 09:58:10 PM
I was working on 4 at once today in the SAK lab.  3 standard urban pioneers and 1 old cross with brass liners.  Im going to list a bunch on EDCsource but I need to build up some inventory first.  Lots of times people ask what I have ready to go, and I never do have any ready for sale.  So I need a way to satisfy the impulse buyers who want a custom ASAP.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_9331.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_9333.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_9338.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_9340.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_9343.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_9345.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_9350.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_9358.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Dr Gonzo on September 07, 2013, 10:25:55 PM
Nice work Man :tu:
Pioneer + Scissors and Farmer + Scissors are good to go models IMHO ;)
I need to save for a Super Electrician Plus from You but money is tight at the mo...ah one day ::)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 07, 2013, 11:00:30 PM
Ya for sure pioneer plus scissors is a safe bet.  Half the total mods I've done have been that.   I have a bunch of metal saws too, so I think Id like to do pioneer + scissors + metal saw too.  A couple of them at least.

I wont locktite these ones yet, so that when I sell them the customer can still opt to add a pocket clip or no keyring whatever the preference.  I think thats the best way to account for different carry tastes.

 :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Dr Gonzo on September 07, 2013, 11:16:50 PM
There are so many options for tool layouts with the Alox range I don't understand why Victorinox don't make more model's instead of discontinuing the whole range...Alox models are getting harder to find here in the UK ???

You've created a great system for fitting them together :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 08, 2013, 06:21:07 AM
Ya for sure pioneer plus scissors is a safe bet.  Half the total mods I've done have been that.   I have a bunch of metal saws too, so I think Id like to do pioneer + scissors + metal saw too.  A couple of them at least.

I wont locktite these ones yet, so that when I sell them the customer can still opt to add a pocket clip or no keyring whatever the preference.  I think thats the best way to account for different carry tastes.

 :D

That's one I like the sounds of :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on September 08, 2013, 03:39:22 PM
I've wanted a blue Pioneer for years and Syph has made it possible to get one in blue with the tool load out of my choice. I also like that it can be disassembled for cleaning and maintenance. I can't wait to place my order later this year  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 08, 2013, 05:04:14 PM
(http://hostr.co/file/lMeAksImq4nE/Screen-Shot-2013-09-08-at-17.03.15.png)

I'd love to see this one assembled. ::)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 11, 2013, 06:25:37 PM
The enki black scale and red liner combo is becoming the most requested color scheme of all time now, and Ive had about 15 orders waiting for these babies.  Finally red liners back in stock. mmm red....  These things are still quite a lot of work to make, but they do look nice.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Red%20HA%20Alox/IMG_9373.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Red%20HA%20Alox/IMG_9379.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Red%20HA%20Alox/IMG_9380.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on September 11, 2013, 10:04:39 PM
I should have tradmarked it. :doh:

:P

Glad to hear it's such a popular combo. :2tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on September 11, 2013, 10:37:44 PM
I should have trademarked the double opener idea. I could have paid for the mods I have sitting in a drawer waiting on $. :oops:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 12, 2013, 03:55:47 AM
I would love to have a black scale and red liner custom8)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 16, 2013, 09:30:30 PM
Well today I am working on the biggest alox monster Ive ever done.  I usually caution against going past 4 layers, but why not 7! :D  I dont think this will be one to carry, but rather one to just show in a collection.

This one has all the top tools of a swiss champ except the fishscaler.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9389.jpg)

The pivots are a full 1 inch long!  ::)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9390.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9391.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9392.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9394.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9396.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9398.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9401.jpg)

I can usually use my fingers to snap the top scale on a 3 or 4 layer... well a 7 layer.. NOPE.  Needed to use the vice and all those springs exert alot of force!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9406.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 16, 2013, 09:35:09 PM
Here are the final glamor shots.   :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9409.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9416.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9422.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9435.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9440.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 16, 2013, 09:37:42 PM
Wow Syph, that certainly is a beast :o
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on September 16, 2013, 09:40:19 PM
Beauty and the Beast!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Hyatt181 on September 16, 2013, 09:52:01 PM
Where do you get the longer pivots?
I can only find 1/2 pivots so far?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on September 16, 2013, 10:21:13 PM
 :tu: nice one! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 16, 2013, 10:38:44 PM
Where do you get the longer pivots?
I can only find 1/2 pivots so far?

Those are 2 half inch ones spliced together. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stealth007s on September 17, 2013, 06:30:27 AM
Very nice Robert :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on September 17, 2013, 12:36:05 PM
How about one of these?...

(http://cdn.ubergizmo.com/photos/2006/1/victorinox-mp3-sak.jpg)

Feel up to it?...

 :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 17, 2013, 11:22:35 PM
Red and white action today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom163/IMG_9448.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom163/IMG_9458.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom163/IMG_9471.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom163/IMG_9473.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom163/IMG_9483.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom163/IMG_9503.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 17, 2013, 11:24:03 PM
How about one of these?...

(http://cdn.ubergizmo.com/photos/2006/1/victorinox-mp3-sak.jpg)

Feel up to it?...

 :pok:

I almost bought one of those for a 58 mm mod, then realized it was a 74mm...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 18, 2013, 02:35:41 AM
That white and red one is very 8) Syph.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: cowsmilk on September 18, 2013, 03:43:32 AM
That white and red one is very 8) Syph.
I like it too, but its not the Canadian colors.;D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 19, 2013, 09:18:15 PM
I decided to prototype some 91mm alox today.  Just a ribbed texture since Im doing this by hand.. someday I'll have it CNC'd.

I think I'll just do red ribbed alox explorer with brass liners for a first text of how it works. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/IMG_9511.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/IMG_9518.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 19, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
Interesting Syph... :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on September 20, 2013, 08:46:07 AM
 :popcorn: This looks promising.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 20, 2013, 09:47:11 AM
I've never really been a fan of Alox and rarely carry the ones I own, but as these mods develop and evolve there is a greater and greater chance there could be a Syphinox in my future  :D

 :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 21, 2013, 12:17:14 AM
So I decided to start adding more content to youtube.  I kept getting notices of people subscribing, so I figured I'd just start taking videos of me working on stuff.  I broke down 10 pioneers today for more parts and Im getting pretty quick at it.  Less than 2 minutes each which is WAY faster than it was in the early days where I had way to complicated of methods.  :D

Now I just drill, hit, repeat.

Alox Pioneer Disassembly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ggiJrP3Ta4#)

I know Im going to need a proper tripod thing at some point. You can see the camera keep tilting down as I hammer... lol.  Oh well, Im no videographer.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on September 21, 2013, 12:26:34 AM
And you have a new subscriber. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 21, 2013, 12:40:19 AM
Haha, I like how you drop the tools when you're done. Boom!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kahyja on September 21, 2013, 01:15:09 AM
I decided to prototype some 91mm alox today.  Just a ribbed texture since Im doing this by hand.. someday I'll have it CNC'd.

I think I'll just do red ribbed alox explorer with brass liners for a first text of how it works. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/IMG_9511.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/IMG_9518.jpg)

Will be awesome man!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on September 21, 2013, 12:01:50 PM
I've never really been a fan of Alox and rarely carry the ones I own, but as these mods develop and evolve there is a greater and greater chance there could be a Syphinox in my future  :D

 :cheers:

What he said.
And a tiny remark: Please - No gloves whan working on rotating tools. Rubber gloves will probably rip before the drill harms you, but a glove finger catched in a drill bit can take a finger off.

Teaching mode off. ;-)

Now I´m looking forward to the progress.

 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bobled1 on September 21, 2013, 03:02:47 PM
The blue does look nice though, but I understand why most people favor the red.  I am curious to try OD Green scales with black tools, it might look nice.  Too many mods and not enough time! :D
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom011/IMG_2438.jpg)

Very nice !  :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bobled1 on September 21, 2013, 03:05:29 PM
Finished up a new model finally.  No scissors but pliers instead.  Urban Mechanic I guess?

This is the first mod for me with no stock liners at all.  This is using titanium liners and keyring spacer.  Wow it's my first exposure to Ti, and it's a beautiful material, but a royal bitch to finish.  Probably about 5 sheets of sandpaper and an hour or more per liner.  I had to make some 1/2 split mandrels in my drill press to chew through it, hand sanding just doesn't cut it.

I'm happy with the end product though, and wow the pliers have a wicked good snap on them with dual saw backsprings. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Urban%20Mechanic/IMG_2721Large.jpg)


TOP !  :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bobled1 on September 21, 2013, 03:15:47 PM
Im loving this shade of blue!  Old cross electric blue super electrician!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom076/IMG_4627.jpg)

Ouah !  :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bobled1 on September 21, 2013, 03:21:38 PM
I'm almost caught up now on customs for others so I got to work on one for me last night.  Cadet II with scissors.  I have a few 84mm mods I want to make and collect, and this was first.  Next is a regular cadet with scissors in red, and backside awl.  I just about have that one fit up.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom082/IMG_4818.jpg)

Nice work
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bobled1 on September 21, 2013, 03:26:06 PM
A blue cadet with scissors and a pocket clip!  Knifekits sells these very small steel clips that just suit a cadet size perfect I think.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom099/IMG_5816_zps1b0f47ca.jpg)


Top Cadet !  :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bobled1 on September 21, 2013, 03:28:12 PM
I slaughtered another limited edition marlin spike.  None are safe!  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom108/IMG_6641.jpg)

Nice nice nice !  :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bobled1 on September 21, 2013, 03:31:19 PM
Someone else wanted my matte gray scales! 2nd order ever! :D  They look amazing paired with the red liners though so maybe someone else will want it too.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom132/IMG_7855.jpg)

Very elegant  :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bobled1 on September 21, 2013, 03:32:11 PM
I just got in a new run of hard anodized blue parts and they are sweeeet.  Slightly darker shade than my last run, and it looks super nice.

Here is an old school electrician done up with the nice blue scales, polished backsprings and Ti liners/keyring.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom137/IMG_7974.jpg)

Cheers

I love it ! :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bobled1 on September 21, 2013, 03:33:50 PM
And here is something a bit different for today's mod.  An electrician with scissors and bi color silver/red scales with red liners and a pocket clip!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/Custom143/IMG_8337.jpg)


Original !  :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bobled1 on September 21, 2013, 03:36:23 PM
I dont think Ive done hard anodized blue scales with black tools before, so here is one.

I even made a keyring nub from stainless 410 and had that BO'd with the keyring.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom148/IMG_8765.jpg)

Cheers. :D

Mega top !  :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bobled1 on September 21, 2013, 03:40:12 PM


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom157/IMG_9069.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom163/IMG_9458.jpg)

so these two are beautiful !  :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: trey on September 21, 2013, 11:53:16 PM
If syph ever makes carbon steel blades, my wallet is in trouble!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on September 22, 2013, 09:42:42 PM
If syph ever makes carbon steel blades, my wallet is in trouble!
Why carbon steel? (plus, doesn't that rust easier?) What is wrong with Vic steel?  :pok: :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: trey on September 22, 2013, 09:59:08 PM
Just my preference.  I've always wanted a SAK with a carbon steel blade. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 22, 2013, 11:17:45 PM

Just my preference.  I've always wanted a SAK with a carbon steel blade.
Carbon steel, depending on the type, will hold an edge, IMO, much better than almost any. I would like one myself   
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 22, 2013, 11:18:34 PM

If syph ever makes carbon steel blades, my wallet is in trouble!
Why carbon steel? (plus, doesn't that rust easier?) What is wrong with Vic steel?  :pok: :pok:
Carbon steel has more carbon than stainless, this IMO holds a superior edge.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Nico88 on September 24, 2013, 11:10:43 AM
Good mornig,

I am new to the forum, and the SAK modding,I just bought a victorinox alox farmer and I would like to change it after having already seen at work. :)

now, I have a couple of questions from novice:

my mod is: Replace cap lifter with Electrician pruning blade, is it possible? for (size and space)

- Between the methods that I like the most to reassemble prefer the pivot and torx, I found this linked from you:
http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/product_info.php?cPath=60_83&products_id=471
http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/product_info.php?cPath=60_81_230&products_id=1248

my question is the measure is already correct or do I enlarge the holes of my victorinox? the diameter of the pivot's good enough for the other accessories already present or do I have to redo all the holes? the length is correct for my sak? or I have to cut away part of the pivot? you can do?

the size of the original pins look different, those at the ends seem more large (diameter) than the central mildly smallest is correct?(http://www.victorinoxmania.it/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/victorinox_multiuso_farmer_brunito_guance_alox_nero.jpg)
 how i can fix this? I have to make a hole to widen it?

one last thing: I really like the idea of ​​coloring the spacer where can I find these?
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Red%20HA%20Alox/IMG_9379.jpg)
or how do I get my color permanently?

I really like this result:(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom157/IMG_9069.jpg)

I have not found a good step by step guide to change my alox SAK really appreciate if you can help

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on September 24, 2013, 11:27:06 AM
If you browse the first pages, you will find good step by step pictures of how teh Syph-SAKs come together.

The Liners pictured have been polished and then Hard-Anodized. Syph had them done by a Pro and uses them in his mods.

You will have to redrill the tools, liners and scales of a SAK to 1/8 to use the Knifekit pivots. You will also have to shorten the pivots according to the width of your knife.

I am pretty sure an electricians blade can be used, but I do not know if you will have to reprofile teh pivot area or if you maybe need to use a different spring altogether.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 24, 2013, 12:41:56 PM
The problem behind an electrician's blade at the position of the caplifter is that the nailnick is on the wrong side and the blade must be bent in the opposite direction. But it can be done.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Nico88 on September 24, 2013, 12:57:33 PM
thank you very much to both appreciate the help :cheers:

it is true, I had not noticed before ... thanks for warning

a general question you can find tools and shells individually?
or the only way is to buy several knives to retrieve tools and parts?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on September 24, 2013, 10:10:51 PM
Every time I open this thread, I can feel a giant sucking sensation on my wallet.

I'm going to have to get another custom SAK in the near future.  These new anodized colors are just too tempting...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on September 24, 2013, 10:13:28 PM
thank you very much to both appreciate the help :cheers:

it is true, I had not noticed before ... thanks for warning

a general question you can find tools and shells individually?
or the only way is to buy several knives to retrieve tools and parts?

Yes, the only option is to buy several knives and get the tools you need from them. One of the reasons why custom work is expensive.

Also, welcome to the forum. :waving:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 24, 2013, 11:25:19 PM
Every time I open this thread, I can feel a giant sucking sensation on my wallet.

I'm going to have to get another custom SAK in the near future.  These new anodized colors are just too tempting...

 :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on September 25, 2013, 01:09:53 AM
What do you think of blue alox with black liners?
 :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rickinFL on September 25, 2013, 01:26:09 AM
What do you think of blue alox with black liners?
 :D

I think so much of that color combo that it's going to be my next combo.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on September 25, 2013, 01:38:08 AM
What do you think of blue alox with black liners?
 :D

I think so much of that color combo that it's going to be my next combo.
Cool!  I think mine too.  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 25, 2013, 01:45:07 AM
I dont think ive done black/blue with silver tools just BO'd ones.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom148/IMG_8752.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on September 25, 2013, 01:56:03 AM
BO tools!  Even better!   :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 25, 2013, 02:16:12 AM
Oh and absolutely yes buying the donors is what makes modding expensive.

You know you are heavily into it when you buy 25 compacts at a time.  :D  They are a great scissors source though.  You get scissors and a combo tool, and then the plus scales with all the goodies.

Those with weak stomachs might want to look away.   These are lined up for slaughter tonight.  I shall fashion a trophy necklace from all the corkscrews!  Like the savage SAK hunter from the jungle!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_9653.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_9655.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_9656.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on September 25, 2013, 03:32:35 AM
Happy Compact slaughter, Robert!  >:D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marius on September 25, 2013, 03:33:58 AM
I dont think ive done black/blue with silver tools just BO'd ones.

That's one cool color combo  :tu:

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on September 25, 2013, 03:34:18 AM
Be gentle...  :P
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on September 25, 2013, 03:46:59 AM
Can I has the necklace?

:P
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on September 25, 2013, 03:49:21 AM
Here are the final glamor shots.   :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9409.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9416.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9422.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9435.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom162/IMG_9440.jpg)

Beastmode Syph!  The alox Swisstool replacement.  Very keen.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on September 25, 2013, 03:55:26 AM
I don't get why he said it was too big/heavy for EDC. I'd happily carry that beautiful beast!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 25, 2013, 05:11:29 AM
At least those Compacts' deaths will not be in vain.  Have fun Syph :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Nico88 on September 25, 2013, 02:02:25 PM
thank you very much to both appreciate the help :cheers:

it is true, I had not noticed before ... thanks for warning

a general question you can find tools and shells individually?
or the only way is to buy several knives to retrieve tools and parts?

Yes, the only option is to buy several knives and get the tools you need from them. One of the reasons why custom work is expensive.

Also, welcome to the forum. :waving:

Thanks mate.

My first problem, I can't find pivot barrel here,  can anyone help me to find it (I need to buy in Europe, because shipping from usa it's a nightmare... )

Every help is appreciate.

Inviato dal mio HUAWEI U8815 con Tapatalk 4

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on September 26, 2013, 09:09:21 AM
You should ask in the wanted section if anyone is willing to forward some pivots/barrels your way - I have yet to find a European Mailorder that carries a sufficient selection of Knifeparts.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 26, 2013, 04:50:48 PM
Well the surgery was successful.  It took longer than I figured, about 4 hours all in.  I used to just hold them on my grinder and grind off most of the back liners and bushings and take them apart in a few minutes, but now I want to save the bushings and liners so I drill them out and gently tap them apart.

Here they are all naked.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_9659.jpg)

I didnt damage any bushings, so I have all 150.. well I should say 149.  One was missing a bushing from the factory on the inside pin.  This is the second time Ive discovered a missing bushing.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_9672.jpg)

And here are the money parts.  Scissors and combo tools!  Ive done very few mods that didnt have scissors.  Everyone loves Vic scissors.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_9669.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 26, 2013, 04:53:41 PM
thank you very much to both appreciate the help :cheers:

it is true, I had not noticed before ... thanks for warning

a general question you can find tools and shells individually?
or the only way is to buy several knives to retrieve tools and parts?

Yes, the only option is to buy several knives and get the tools you need from them. One of the reasons why custom work is expensive.

Also, welcome to the forum. :waving:

Thanks mate.

My first problem, I can't find pivot barrel here,  can anyone help me to find it (I need to buy in Europe, because shipping from usa it's a nightmare... )

Every help is appreciate.

Inviato dal mio HUAWEI U8815 con Tapatalk 4

If you want I can hook you up with a modding kit.  You need pivots and also a carbide bit for the holes.  You must have a drill press though, it's a requirement to use the bits I have.  Ive been using ball nose carbide milling bits to drill the holes, and the parts must be clamped and drilled at precise perpendicular angles, with plenty of oil.  The bits are $10 each, and the pivots with screws are $2 each.   International shipping for that would be $6.

Cheers,
Robert
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on September 26, 2013, 06:33:32 PM
That's very kind of you Robert to help others out with their mods.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on September 26, 2013, 06:42:48 PM
That's very kind of you Robert to help others out with their mods.  :tu:

Completely agree!

In my estimation, it is the measure of a fine craftsman.  That and Robert is a genuinely nice guy.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 26, 2013, 06:48:22 PM
That's very kind of you Robert to help others out with their mods.  :tu:

Completely agree!

In my estimation, it is the measure of a fine craftsman.  That and Robert is a genuinely nice guy.  :tu:

+1   :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on September 26, 2013, 06:54:37 PM
I can only second that - He is an outstanding craftsman - If not by trade so at least by passion - and a really nice guy.
He sent me some Pivots and 2 drill bits a while back and I finally have an old Alox knife to try them on...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Nico88 on September 26, 2013, 09:24:18 PM
If you want I can hook you up with a modding kit.  You need pivots and also a carbide bit for the holes.  You must have a drill press though, it's a requirement to use the bits I have.  Ive been using ball nose carbide milling bits to drill the holes, and the parts must be clamped and drilled at precise perpendicular angles, with plenty of oil.  The bits are $10 each, and the pivots with screws are $2 each.   International shipping for that would be $6.

Cheers,
Robert

I thank you very much for your very kind offer,

I appreciate that the problem is the shipping .. if you send from canada may never come!

I'm having big problems with the Italian customs.

I already have the drill press (the tips I own are in millimeters not inches, so if the pivot are in inches should I look for a tip from 1/8)
however I can see some pictures of the tools that I've described to understand better?

thank you very much
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 26, 2013, 10:00:20 PM
If you want I can hook you up with a modding kit.  You need pivots and also a carbide bit for the holes.  You must have a drill press though, it's a requirement to use the bits I have.  Ive been using ball nose carbide milling bits to drill the holes, and the parts must be clamped and drilled at precise perpendicular angles, with plenty of oil.  The bits are $10 each, and the pivots with screws are $2 each.   International shipping for that would be $6.

Cheers,
Robert

I thank you very much for your very kind offer,

I appreciate that the problem is the shipping .. if you send from canada may never come!

I'm having big problems with the Italian customs.

I already have the drill press (the tips I own are in millimeters not inches, so if the pivot are in inches should I look for a tip from 1/8)
however I can see some pictures of the tools that I've described to understand better?

thank you very much
Ive shipped to Italy more times than I care to think and have yet to have one missing :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 27, 2013, 01:22:31 AM
If you want I can hook you up with a modding kit.  You need pivots and also a carbide bit for the holes.  You must have a drill press though, it's a requirement to use the bits I have.  Ive been using ball nose carbide milling bits to drill the holes, and the parts must be clamped and drilled at precise perpendicular angles, with plenty of oil.  The bits are $10 each, and the pivots with screws are $2 each.   International shipping for that would be $6.

Cheers,
Robert

I thank you very much for your very kind offer,

I appreciate that the problem is the shipping .. if you send from canada may never come!

I'm having big problems with the Italian customs.

I already have the drill press (the tips I own are in millimeters not inches, so if the pivot are in inches should I look for a tip from 1/8)
however I can see some pictures of the tools that I've described to understand better?

thank you very much

Any 1/8 carbide bit will work.  These are what I have been using.

(http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/323/630/220/1247551831490_hz_myalibaba_web15_3077.jpg)

I figured on your side of the ocean imperial sizes would be hard to come by.   Ive sent 2 things to italy before and they made it.  But I always asked the reciever if they had any problems getting packages and both said no issues.  Do you have lots of issues with packages not showing up?

I just ordered another 200 pivots today, so I will have lots on hand.   I get them at a decent rate with a big order, even though shipping is still alot for me, still $32 to ship those to Canada.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Nico88 on September 27, 2013, 12:19:14 PM
ouch! $ 32 to ship it's too much!

ok, let's see if they arrive in Italy.

the pivot and screws are these?

http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/product_info.php?cPath=60_83&products_id=471
http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/product_info.php?cPath=60_81_230&products_id=1248


maybe you can send me a pair of these?
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Red%20HA%20Alox/IMG_9379.jpg)

maybe we continue pm
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 30, 2013, 07:13:19 PM
Next on the bench is another deployment of the fat 154cm blades I had made up.

I was trying a fit up with the phillips/opener layer, and scissors.  It works but the cap lifter nail nick is pretty much blocked.  I might just go with the standard opener layer on one side and scissors on the other.  That would still leave a pretty decent EDC super SAK.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom172/IMG_9794.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom172/IMG_9797.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom172/IMG_9798.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom172/IMG_9800.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom172/IMG_9802.jpg)

Its funny, when I first got these blades, the sheepsfoot style was my least favorite.  Now I think its just awesome and wish I had more.  Its so nice and easy to pinch grip it open, and it makes a significant snap noise since its so wide and heavy. 

Stay tuned! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on September 30, 2013, 08:00:20 PM
Wow, that's fearing HUGE! Nice.. JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 30, 2013, 08:23:27 PM
Yeah, that fat blade is very cool :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 30, 2013, 10:17:20 PM
Holy bejebus! That's a huge blade!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on September 30, 2013, 10:30:03 PM
That's not a SAK blade, this is a SAK blade!  :D
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ew4NA2MQTfk/Td3TKN2xWzI/AAAAAAAAAT0/26yGhH-2ueU/s1600/crocodile+dundee.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on October 01, 2013, 02:35:00 AM

That's not a SAK blade, this is a SAK blade!  :D
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ew4NA2MQTfk/Td3TKN2xWzI/AAAAAAAAAT0/26yGhH-2ueU/s1600/crocodile+dundee.jpg)
Rofl
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: detron on October 01, 2013, 02:39:57 AM
very nice Syph,  very nice   :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on October 01, 2013, 10:35:45 PM
That's not a SAK blade, this is a SAK blade!  :D
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ew4NA2MQTfk/Td3TKN2xWzI/AAAAAAAAAT0/26yGhH-2ueU/s1600/crocodile+dundee.jpg)


Ahhh.... good ole Crocodile Dundee.  :tu: Kinda reminds me of this.


Clerk stuns robber, puts gun to his face (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RAkFtjafl0#)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 02, 2013, 06:31:59 PM
Well I had to do my least favorite task this week.. liner making.  When you want to add layers to alox SAKs it becomes a necessary evil as I buy pioneer and add layers, I would always be short one stock liner if I didnt make my own.

I took a few pics along the way but my process hasnt changed much since the begining except now I use my mill to rough out the liners instead of a sander.

The steps are
1.  Trace liner outlines on 1 sq foot of material
2.  Drill all holes.
3.  Cut out liners with jewlers saw, very rough, just to separate them
4.  Make a liner sandwich of 20 and clamp in vice and use mill to remove most of the material
5.  Make liner sandwich with stock liners and 6 rough liners and use router to finish edges
6.  Polish and enjoy, or anodize. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Liner%20Making/IMG_9805.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Liner%20Making/IMG_9807.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Liner%20Making/IMG_9810.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Liner%20Making/IMG_9811.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Liner%20Making/IMG_9815.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Liner%20Making/IMG_9822.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Liner%20Making/IMG_9831.jpg)

I have about 4 solid days into making about 40 brass and 40 aluminum liners.  This will keep me going for awhile though.  The aluminum will get polished and sent for hard anodize and the brass will get polished as they get used.

 :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Chaka on October 02, 2013, 06:59:21 PM
Really? regular woodworking router? What router bit are u using please?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 02, 2013, 07:13:47 PM
Really? regular woodworking router? What router bit are u using please?

1/4 inch 4 flute carbide stub mill.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Chaka on October 02, 2013, 07:43:14 PM
Thanks Syph... That makes sense... Maybe I'll try it, need 2 brass liners to mod one of your mods... ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 04, 2013, 12:40:45 AM
I really love this one.   :dd:

It needed brass liners which is what started me making all the liners this week.   Blue and brass really does look nice.  :D 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom172/IMG_9835.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom172/IMG_9842.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom172/IMG_9846.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom172/IMG_9851.jpg)

I love this blade!  This is the thickest spring I ever made too at 0.155".  A plier spring is 0.125".

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom172/IMG_9872.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom172/IMG_9892.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom172/IMG_9900.jpg)

Cheers!

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on October 04, 2013, 12:46:04 AM
:o

What a monster blade. :tu:

Will you be ordering any more of these 154cm blades?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on October 04, 2013, 12:52:42 AM
What a beauty  :drool:  Did you make the backspring for that blade?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on October 04, 2013, 12:54:25 AM
As the famous ninja turtle Michelangelo would say "This is EPIC!!"


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 04, 2013, 12:55:00 AM
:o

What a monster blade. :tu:

Will you be ordering any more of these 154cm blades?

Im going to do my own grinding.  Ironically in custom knife making I've done all the parts except actually making blades so I gotta do that, its been bugging me that I havent yet.

I gotta plug the guy that I did the trade with though.  His name is Paul Cooper.  If anyone needs his contact info for custom blade grinding give me a shout.

Ive been practicing on my little grinder and its going ok.  I have blade steel on the way, and Im trying to pick out a good grinder now.    I still have that damascus to turn into blades too, but I dont want to learn on that.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 04, 2013, 01:00:09 AM
What a beauty  :drool:  Did you make the backspring for that blade?

When I had the scissors backsprings originally made they were 0.155 thick, but I had them surface ground to 0.100.  I left about 20 raw that were full thickness.  This was from one of those.  I had to change the profile a bit to work with this blade, but once tweaked it fit like a glove.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on October 04, 2013, 02:25:41 AM
Syph that blade kicks all kinds of butt:))

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kahyja on October 04, 2013, 04:38:53 PM
That is just.....whhhhhoooooaaaaaaaaa :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 07, 2013, 11:00:34 PM
Well here is a first for me... a 93mm with ... a fish scaler! :D  I even surface ground down a spring to 0.060" to work perfectly with it.  Very thin layer.  To give you some perspective, the pliers layer in a swiss champ has liners that are 0.050" thick.

This one also has the seldom requested natural hard anodize which is a matte gray color.  It works really well with red liners.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom174/IMG_9949.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom174/IMG_9952.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom174/IMG_9955.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom174/IMG_9984.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom174/IMG_9966.jpg)

Cheers :D




Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on October 07, 2013, 11:20:00 PM
Nice one!
I really like those scales. Do you have any more left?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 07, 2013, 11:23:43 PM
Nice one!
I really like those scales. Do you have any more left?

Yep 2 sets left.  I ran a batch of 10 a long long time ago, and they rarely get asked for.  I guess they look too similar to stock scales.  In person though they look much different.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2812Large.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on October 08, 2013, 02:46:44 AM
That's a cool one Syph :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 10, 2013, 09:25:18 PM
So that big pile of backsprings I had made for scissors is getting to a criically low amount.  It was 222 and now I have about 40 left.  Since 99% of people want scissors on alox, I figured I better get on making more before I was right out.

Admiral steel is awesome and ships to Canada.  I got a 6 ft package this morning. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_0148.jpg)

Thats some 440c goodness.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_0152.jpg)

Their annealed hot rolled runs over spec, but they couldn't give me an exact measurement on the phone. So I took a gamble and ordered the 3/32.  The springs final thickness should be 0.100.  When I busted out the calipers this measures 0.110 so Im good to go. That leaves a bit to grind off after heat treat but that works for me.  The last batch I ordered 1/8 and that was 0.155 thick, so it needed way too much grinding.

Now to shop around for a waterjet quote and see who wants to give me a deal. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 10, 2013, 09:29:16 PM
Today was also scale stripping day.  Ive been fiddling around with the NaOH bath I use for stripping and different catalysts, and today I am finally completely happy with the process.  These stripped in 15 seconds and have no pitting.  See that chemistry degree paid off after all. :D lol

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_0160.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on October 10, 2013, 09:49:52 PM
That's quite a bit of springs material. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on October 11, 2013, 08:52:31 AM
I really do like the dark grey scales, i must say. and I always enjoy teh news in this thread.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 12, 2013, 11:39:07 PM
Here's some parts porn! :D I was doing some parts inventory to see what I had.   I upgraded from my dollar store bins to these style, works out nicer.  These are all my brand new parts.  Used parts dont get treated so nice and are just in a bucket out in the shop

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0171.jpg)

Most people collect MTs and SAKs, but more and more I feel like Im a parts collector.  Ive been hording hard to find old parts and scales.  Someday they'll get made into cool stuff.

Here my 58 mm stuff. Not too much for it.  Mostly Ive used up what I had, although Ive got some BO'd 58s parts not in there.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0175.jpg)

This is what I have left from my 84mm modding.  I still have a few mods in the queue to finish, but other than that, I dont plan on doing many more.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0177.jpg)

Lots of 91mm parts.  These are the parts I actually use.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0180.jpg)

These are parts which sometimes get used.  So many corkscrews!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0182.jpg)

And these are liners and springs... lots of liners and springs.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0184.jpg)

93mm parts.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0187.jpg)

93mm scales.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0188.jpg)

93mm liners.  These are the ready to use ones.  The raw cut brass and Al are in the shop.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0191.jpg)

This is what I call my prepped parts box.  All parts in here are drilled for my pivots, polished and cleaned ready to go on mods.  I find this handy as I can grab what I need for a job then go make it.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0194.jpg)

My scale tools box.  Ive been careful and saved all the bushings, so I have tons of spares.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0201.jpg)

I forgot my boxes of screws and pivots as well, but thats most of my parts collection.  :D



Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 13, 2013, 12:24:46 AM
 :sa: holy parts! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on October 13, 2013, 01:35:28 AM
That's a lot of parts, but I know you'll make good use of them;D

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on October 13, 2013, 01:55:11 AM
I like it. :D Also quite a few metal files/saws. I'm surprised they don't get requested more. I use a metal file quite a bit more than I use the wood saw.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 13, 2013, 01:58:09 AM
I like it. :D Also quite a few metal files/saws. I'm surprised they don't get requested more. I use a metal file quite a bit more than I use the wood saw.

Me too!  I'm not a wood saw fan.  I will have to um some electofarmers.   Farmers with eblades and metal saws.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on October 13, 2013, 03:22:28 PM
I like your organization and those neat dividable parts containers  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 13, 2013, 08:41:35 PM
More gray today, with some brass liners and spacer.  This one is going across the sea to trade for a BO spirit S model to complete my swisstool spirit collection. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom176/IMG_0204.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom176/IMG_0209.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom176/IMG_0216.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom176/IMG_0221.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom176/IMG_0224.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom176/IMG_0225.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on October 13, 2013, 08:53:46 PM
That looks amazing, even better than I expected :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on October 14, 2013, 03:01:10 AM
I'd say you're getting the short end of the deal. That SAK is worth a few Spirits!  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on October 14, 2013, 03:29:47 AM
Considering how long he's been hunting for one, maybe not. :P

Nice to hear you're finally getting one.

Reinier, how come you didnt go for orange? ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: CanadianLMfan on October 14, 2013, 03:35:28 AM
 :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on October 14, 2013, 10:21:47 AM
Reinier, how come you didnt go for orange? ;)

That's actually a very good question :D
Maybe next time...  8)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on October 18, 2013, 02:21:07 PM
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom176/IMG_0204.jpg)

This one arrived today! That was fast, it took only three days to get from Canada to the Netherlands! :mail:

It's my second Syph007 custom and I have to say I love it. The overall quality and fit & finish are way above Victorinox standards. The polished brass liners and spacer and the polished backsprings are gorgeous. The gray scales are so much nicer than stock ones (with their small imperfections around the edges). The tools, including the scissors, open and close beautifully. It's a work of art.

Excellent work Robert :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on October 18, 2013, 02:56:49 PM
Nice one Reinier, and good work as usual Robert :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 18, 2013, 04:17:01 PM
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom176/IMG_0204.jpg)

This one arrived today! That was fast, it took only three days to get from Canada to the Netherlands! :mail:

It's my second Syph007 custom and I have to say I love it. The overall quality and fit & finish are way above Victorinox standards. The polished brass liners and spacer and the polished backsprings are gorgeous. The gray scales are so much nicer than stock ones (with their small imperfections around the edges). The tools, including the scissors, open and close beautifully. It's a work of art.

Excellent work Robert :cheers:

Glad you like it!  Ya I've really been liking brass lately as is nice to work with and polishes nicely.  I can make one of those spacers in only about 15 minutes now from raw sheet to finished piece.  It used to take me way longer.

That brass spacer wont ever move on you either, its riveted to the liner.  I started doing that awhile ago so they mated up perfectly and it bugged me when they rotate.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on October 18, 2013, 04:32:43 PM
...

It's my second Syph007 custom and I have to say I love it.

...

I like your first one better. :P

Glad it arrived safely and fast. :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 18, 2013, 09:15:32 PM
Im collecting my own mods now. :D  Ive been saving 'special' scales like soldier and old cross to make some for myself and here is the first.  Stormtrooper soldier.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Stormtrooper%20Soldier/IMG_0251.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Stormtrooper%20Soldier/IMG_0253.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Stormtrooper%20Soldier/IMG_0255.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Stormtrooper%20Soldier/IMG_0272.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Stormtrooper%20Soldier/IMG_0279.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 18, 2013, 09:28:03 PM
The second one in my collection is an old cross with brass liners.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom177/IMG_0281.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom177/IMG_0285.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom177/IMG_0292.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: AndyJF on October 18, 2013, 09:41:37 PM
I like that Stormtrooper Soldier.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 18, 2013, 09:50:42 PM
I also wanted 1 of each of the hard anodize colors I run, so I built myself a collection of all 4 urban pioneer colors.

:D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/IMG_0311.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/IMG_0347.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/IMG_0361.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: victor7000 on October 19, 2013, 03:51:58 PM
Welcome to the world of collectors  :cheers:
This is a very nice lineup to start your new hobby  :D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: armèe-suisse on October 21, 2013, 03:38:20 PM
+1 Awesome! It makes me want even more Syph007's in my collection too!

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stealth007s on October 22, 2013, 06:06:42 AM
That Stormtrooper :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: I think I know what I will be getting my future son-in-law (or me) for his wedding gift :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on October 22, 2013, 07:56:59 PM
...
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/IMG_0361.jpg)
...

Agree with the previous posters. And those colors look much nicer to me than a lot of the ones Vic has been making on their special runs. The recent deep blue is also much more appealing than the baby blue of the first HA runs you did. :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 22, 2013, 08:19:12 PM

Agree with the previous posters. And those colors look much nicer to me than a lot of the ones Vic has been making on their special runs. The recent deep blue is also much more appealing than the baby blue of the first HA runs you did. :salute:

That dark blue with brass liners is near the top of my favorites list.  It looks so nice in person.  The thing about hard anodizing with the thicker oxide layer is you generally get a more muted matte finish, which to me I like.  Normal anodizing looks shiny by comparison.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom172/IMG_9851.jpg)

The customer who bought that one was really happy to get it.  :D  Thats the big sheepsfoot blade one.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bmot on October 22, 2013, 08:22:39 PM
I love the brass'n blue....  :drool:  Has a nice nautical look to it :) I should gather myself money, it seems...  :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ttpower on October 23, 2013, 09:14:51 AM
A blue cadet with scissors and a pocket clip!  Knifekits sells these very small steel clips that just suit a cadet size perfect I think.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom099/IMG_5797_zpsd0f6101f.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom099/IMG_5800_zpsab0fb8b4.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom099/IMG_5803_zpsae957be5.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom099/IMG_5814_zps8dad3d5b.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom099/IMG_5816_zps1b0f47ca.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom099/IMG_5819_zps844486f1.jpg)

Hi Syph,
 
can i ask how thick and how heavy  did the cadet get after adding the scissors?

by the way i really like the mods you do  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ttpower on October 23, 2013, 09:46:54 AM
Im collecting my own mods now. :D  Ive been saving 'special' scales like soldier and old cross to make some for myself and here is the first.  Stormtrooper soldier.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Stormtrooper%20Soldier/IMG_0253.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Stormtrooper%20Soldier/IMG_0255.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Stormtrooper%20Soldier/IMG_0272.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Stormtrooper%20Soldier/IMG_0279.jpg)

Simply amazing! :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on October 23, 2013, 11:23:51 AM
Yeah, that Stormtrooper is more than a bit special. :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on October 23, 2013, 04:56:41 PM
Yeah, that Stormtrooper is more than a bit special. :drool:
+1 - I've never seen anything quite like it  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 23, 2013, 08:57:44 PM
I finished putting together that pioneer with the Ti flip lock I started a looong time ago.

The thinner brass scales were too thin to use the countersunk screws I normall do, so I had to rivet.  They arent perfect, but fuctional.  I still see a couple dings in the pics I missed buffing out and it needs a final polish, but it works.

The lock up is very solid, better than I had thought, but the Ti is naturally sticky against steel, so that was an advantage.

It was way more effort than I bargained for, so this isnt something I'll be doing again. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom180/IMG_0585.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom180/IMG_0589.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom180/IMG_0598.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom180/IMG_0606.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom180/IMG_0609.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom160Plus/Custom180/IMG_0618.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on October 23, 2013, 09:01:44 PM
Boyo posted about those quite some time ago. Glad to see your take on it as well. :hatsoff:

I'm sorry we don't see him here anymore. :( I like the idea of it and it does seem functional. I'd like to try it one day. :tu:

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 23, 2013, 09:02:59 PM
Boyo posted about those quite some time ago. I'm sorry we don't see him here anymore. :( I like the idea of it and it does seem functional. I'd like to try it one day. :tu:

Yup thats where I saw the idea way back in May I think.  It looked easier than it turned out to be.

Edit: Found it here... it was back in April.

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,5287.msg721525.html#msg721525
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: microbe on October 23, 2013, 09:04:04 PM
I like that knife!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 22, 2013, 03:58:48 PM
Im back to working on some custom scales for alox again.  Ive got a set of ribbed 91mm scales ready to go for black HAIII this week, and also I cut my first set of 111mm smooth alox scales.  I even milled out a slot for T&T so I can build my ultimate 111mm alox EDC when these come back.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1103.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1096.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on November 22, 2013, 04:39:06 PM
Love those ribbed scale.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on November 22, 2013, 08:40:44 PM
Oooooohhh....111mm Alox huh?  Very interesting...I could see myself wanting a custom 111mm sometime in the future :tu:  Darn you Syph-I like you, but my wallet doesn't ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bmot on November 22, 2013, 10:53:59 PM
Syph, have you designed a less-in-the-way keyring, for the 93mm alox models, yet? :whistle:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on November 23, 2013, 04:11:06 AM
Im back to working on some custom scales for alox again.  Ive got a set of ribbed 91mm scales ready to go for black HAIII this week, ...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1096.jpg)

I bet it was easier than doing them by hand!   :ahhh

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20130104_225125_zps0444c160.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/20130104_225125_zps0444c160.jpg.html)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 25, 2013, 07:29:56 PM
Well after cutting a few scales by hand, I finally got tired of it and just impulse ordered all the parts to CNC convert my mill :D  It'll be here just before christmas so I guess that's my present to myself.  Then I can start cranking out some proper alox scales for 91s and 111s.  Ive had so many people ask for them, I gotta just make them.  With CNC capabilities I can do some cool designs for grip patterns too.  :D

So.. this comes with ballscrews, motors and everything I need except the driver board.

:D :D :D :D

(https://www.machinetoolswarehouse.com/xcart/images/D/d-16334-04.jpg)

(https://www.machinetoolswarehouse.com/xcart/images/D/d-16334.jpg)

Now to patiently wait....   :whistle:



Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on November 25, 2013, 07:40:20 PM
I volunteer for the highly dangerous role of custom 91 alox test user. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on November 25, 2013, 08:08:39 PM
And not just scales, you can do anything ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on November 26, 2013, 12:18:12 AM
BTW,

Congrats on making it to the MTO Top 10 Topics by Views. :hatsoff:


98,972 views currently and counting. :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on November 26, 2013, 12:37:55 AM
You'll have to start stamping your blades with "Syphinox".
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Metal Mickey on November 26, 2013, 12:40:08 AM
BTW,

Congrats on making it to the MTO Top 10 Topics by Views. :hatsoff:


98,972 views currently and counting. :ahhh

This is my favourite thread on the forum  :salute:
I really "need" a farmer with scissors mod  :drool:
Brilliant work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on November 26, 2013, 01:28:29 AM

I volunteer for the highly dangerous role of custom 91 alox test user. :D
Not a chance! I was first :P


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 26, 2013, 02:24:14 AM
BTW,

Congrats on making it to the MTO Top 10 Topics by Views. :hatsoff:


98,972 views currently and counting. :ahhh

Cool!  People like alox mods for sure.  :D

Here are the 2 prototype scale sets going tomorrow for anodize.  91mm ribbed and 111mm smooth with T&T.  It took way too much effort to do any more of these by hand, so I really hope these turn out.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1137.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1142.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on November 26, 2013, 09:07:18 AM
BTW,

Congrats on making it to the MTO Top 10 Topics by Views. :hatsoff:


98,972 views currently and counting. :ahhh

Cool!  People like alox mods for sure.  :D

Here are the 2 prototype scale sets going tomorrow for anodize.  91mm ribbed and 111mm smooth with T&T.  It took way too much effort to do any more of these by hand, so I really hope these turn out.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1137.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1142.jpg)

  :cheers: on making Top 10

Wow, you are rekindling my interest in 111mm this is going to be shiny :o
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on November 26, 2013, 09:11:05 AM
Looking good, but personally I would like to see those 91's in red rather than black. But that's just me...

Your definition of "made by hand" and mine differ in this case.
My 91mm Alox scales that I built an explorer between were made by hand tools.
Well okay, I did rough them out on a bandsaw but the grooving and final profiling was all done with files. Final polish on a cloth mop in my bench grinder.

I would love a little mill like yours but first I need a shed to put it in. No garage at my place.  :(

oh, and a lathe, and a decent belt sander, and a MIG would be handy, I'm sure I need a table saw, and, and :facepalm:

Now that I'm working again I might start looking at prices and build me a workshop.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 26, 2013, 05:51:47 PM
Looking good, but personally I would like to see those 91's in red rather than black. But that's just me...

Your definition of "made by hand" and mine differ in this case.
My 91mm Alox scales that I built an explorer between were made by hand tools.
Well okay, I did rough them out on a bandsaw but the grooving and final profiling was all done with files. Final polish on a cloth mop in my bench grinder.

I would love a little mill like yours but first I need a shed to put it in. No garage at my place.  :(

oh, and a lathe, and a decent belt sander, and a MIG would be handy, I'm sure I need a table saw, and, and :facepalm:

Now that I'm working again I might start looking at prices and build me a workshop.

When we were house shopping about 6 yrs ago, my number one feature on the list was a garage so I could have a place to work on stuff.  I didnt know it would be SAKs but something.

I milled the slots and grooves but the rest of teh scales are done by hand.  I roughed them out with a hacksaw, then profiled with a belt grinder.  After a drill press, the belt grinder is the most used and needed tool for me.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 08, 2013, 08:50:40 PM
I got my prototype 91mm and 111mm scales back! Now to figure out what to make with them... :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1518.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1512.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1505.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1501.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bmot on December 08, 2013, 08:51:16 PM
I got my prototype 91mm and 111mm scales back! Now to figure out what to make with them... :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1518.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1512.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1505.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1501.jpg)


Sexy!  :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: detron on December 08, 2013, 09:33:05 PM
I got my prototype 91mm and 111mm scales back! Now to figure out what to make with them... :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1518.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1512.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1505.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1501.jpg)

I am sure it will be a winner no matter what it is.  what are those made out of?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 08, 2013, 09:47:57 PM

I am sure it will be a winner no matter what it is.  what are those made out of?

They are 6061 T6 Aluminum, black hard anodized.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on December 08, 2013, 10:39:59 PM
Sweet...

can you tell us how much slimmer an alox 111mm will be compared to the traditional model?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on December 09, 2013, 02:32:22 AM
I am so going to want an Alox 111mm :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on December 09, 2013, 03:22:35 AM
The workmanship is impeccable and I can see his work turning into a great business  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on December 09, 2013, 03:29:07 AM
The workmanship is impeccable and I can see his work turning into a great business  :tu:

Totally agree with this :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on December 09, 2013, 10:49:15 AM
I vote for an Alox Climber. :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on December 09, 2013, 10:54:46 AM
I´d step out of my way and do teh hard and unrewarding field test for you with the 111...  ;)

Nah, seriously. Looking forward to it - and if it will be for sale, I might present it to myself for christmas...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on December 09, 2013, 01:29:46 PM
I vote for an Alox Climber. :salute:

Alox Ninja Yeoman...  Black HA Alox scales and BO tools...  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rickinFL on December 09, 2013, 02:33:08 PM
+1.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on December 09, 2013, 02:44:20 PM
This Combotoolism is getting out of hand. :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: firiki on December 09, 2013, 02:50:17 PM
I am so going to want an Alox 111mm :drool:
Me too  :drool:
(Or a 108mm :dd: ! )
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 09, 2013, 03:57:29 PM
I am so going to want an Alox 111mm :drool:
Me too  :drool:
(Or a 108mm :dd: ! )

Well my goal is to CNC these, it sure isnt cost effective to do them by hand.  I think I have 10 hrs into that set by hand.  If I can crank off 10 sets in a reasonable time I can then not have to charge crazy prices for them.  Im hoping by Feb that I can start producing them. :D  We'll see how long it takes me to convert my manual mode mill though. 

Then I can make alox scales for any knife really.   And of course I can experiment with different patterns or ever get fancy and allow the option to personalize with the users name etc.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: firiki on December 09, 2013, 04:08:49 PM
This thread is killing me ! But, that's OK...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on December 09, 2013, 04:16:34 PM
Keep this up and the Swiss Army is going to be contracting with you for their knives, Syph. Syphinox, it's the way of the future.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on December 09, 2013, 05:38:30 PM
I am so going to want an Alox 111mm :drool:
Me too  :drool:
(Or a 108mm :dd: ! )

Well my goal is to CNC these, it sure isnt cost effective to do them by hand.  I think I have 10 hrs into that set by hand.  If I can crank off 10 sets in a reasonable time I can then not have to charge crazy prices for them.  Im hoping by Feb that I can start producing them. :D  We'll see how long it takes me to convert my manual mode mill though. 

Then I can make alox scales for any knife really.   And of course I can experiment with different patterns or ever get fancy and allow the option to personalize with the users name etc.

Oh good, I'm in hopes I can save up some cash for one by that time.  I really like the idea/possibility of personalizing it, that would be very cool :tu:

This thread is killing me ! But, that's OK...

Me too Firiki :ahhh

Keep this up and the Swiss Army is going to be contracting with you for their knives, Syph. Syphinox, it's the way of the future.

I really could see this happening.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on December 09, 2013, 10:39:38 PM
Make me a explorer minus scissors and add a saw. Then send it to me for extreme testing :)


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cupboard on December 10, 2013, 09:12:25 PM
What's the advantage of a belt grinder over a bench disk grinder?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 10, 2013, 10:43:57 PM
What's the advantage of a belt grinder over a bench disk grinder?

Heat control, speed, and a perfectly flat / perpendicular surface.  Also I can use any grit belt I want, including scotchbrite ones, or blade sharpening ones.   They arent in the same class for metal removal at all really.

See this video at about 1:25  Thats exactly how I cut my 111mm and 91mm alox scales.

Entrek Knives - How The Knives Are Made Part 2 - Blade Grinding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvlKfzW12d0#ws)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on December 10, 2013, 11:00:51 PM
Awesome video, thanks for that.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cupboard on December 11, 2013, 08:51:34 PM
Wow, that's impressive.

I know with a bench grinder you can be there for ages.

Edit: a bit like with me and YouTube. First 2.5 minutes worked quite happily at 720P, now I can't get 360P to work properly without stopping  :rant:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on December 11, 2013, 09:15:58 PM
This sander is ridiculously fast. Looks like he is be grinding soft wood or something the like. I know how long my belt sander takes to remove only a mm or two from a thin Vic tool when reprofiling for use in another tool - and I do have a Semi-Pro Bosch one and use quality belts.
Another tool that would be nice to have but will never end up in my shop, I guess.
 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 11, 2013, 09:20:07 PM
Yep and the steel he is grinding in that vid is already heat treated too.  He heat treats before making the blade, so that when hes done grinding the blade is ready. 

I still have a little grinder, but it takes off material fast enough for my needs.  If I ever can afford it though I want a big one.  All the one off spacers or odd shaped pieces of Al or brass though I shape this way. 

A belt grinder and drill press are the 2 tools I use the most for sure.  All my pivots, screws, reshaped springs, reshaped tool pivots, all done on the belt grinder.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: revolvergeek on December 16, 2013, 08:04:27 PM
 :gimme: I started drooling a little when I saw those! I am very eager to see what happens next!

Cool!  People like alox mods for sure.  :D

Here are the 2 prototype scale sets going tomorrow for anodize.  91mm ribbed and 111mm smooth with T&T.  It took way too much effort to do any more of these by hand, so I really hope these turn out.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1137.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/IMG_1142.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on December 16, 2013, 08:28:50 PM

I am so going to want an Alox 111mm :drool:
Me too  :drool:
(Or a 108mm :dd: ! )

Well my goal is to CNC these, it sure isnt cost effective to do them by hand.  I think I have 10 hrs into that set by hand.  If I can crank off 10 sets in a reasonable time I can then not have to charge crazy prices for them.  Im hoping by Feb that I can start producing them. :D  We'll see how long it takes me to convert my manual mode mill though. 

Then I can make alox scales for any knife really.   And of course I can experiment with different patterns or ever get fancy and allow the option to personalize with the users name etc.

Would like one too when you start production. Have to save up. How about all the tools a standard workchamp has with added rescue blade?


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 18, 2013, 05:41:36 PM
Woohoo I got a new toy in today. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Work/Anodize/IMG_1672.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Ti%20Work/Anodize/IMG_1674.jpg)

Its a DC power supply that does up to 200 volts.  Its for Ti anodizing!  So now I can make pretty colored Ti mods...  :D

This even came with the Ti parts and chemicals I needed.  I got some multietch as well.  That's used to prep the parts surfaces for even anodize, and its also used to remove anodize.

For reference here are the colors you can get with Ti anodizing and the corresponding voltages.

(http://cdn.instructables.com/F4R/LUY9/FUVSFZLT/F4RLUY9FUVSFZLT.LARGE.jpg)

So expect to see some electric blue Ti minichamps in the new year.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on December 18, 2013, 05:43:19 PM
That is AWESOME! :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on December 18, 2013, 07:47:47 PM
Way cool, Syph, way cool :D  You're really making me want a custom 111mm alox OHT even more now :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on December 19, 2013, 12:12:10 PM
wow. does it anodize aluminum as well?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on December 19, 2013, 01:41:46 PM
wow. does it anodize aluminum as well?

Completely different process.

Anodizing Ti is "easy" you can do it with a few LiPo batteries, a glass of Coke and a teaspoon. Honest!

For Al... not so easy.
do-able, but a lot more involved and nasty chemicals. And if you live in a nanny state, just getting your hands on a few litres of sulfuric acid is near impossible. Ask me how I know.
You need a decent volume of electrolyte (the acid) because the process generates heat and a smaller quantity will be too hard to temperature control. (ask me how I know)
Then you have to work out surface area, current density, film build rate, the square root of Pi and God knows what else. Then find a dye that will take in the pores of the oxide filn and then "set" the film to trap the dye.
Leave it to the pro's.

With Ti you just get a bath of an electrolyte. I use Rust-Converter because it is largely Phosphoric acid, but that is in Coca-Cola too.
Hook up the spoon (or other stainless item) to the negative (cathode) and your piece of Ti to the positive (anode).  Drop them in the bath and let the oxide layer build up. By setting the voltage you get different colours but the higher you go, the harder it is to get it just right. Also, you're playing with high DC voltages and that smurf can kill you faster than a tiger with an assault rifle.

Play around and you can get some neat effects...

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/P8250983.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/P8250983.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20130124_172936_zpsd740529b.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/20130124_172936_zpsd740529b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 20, 2013, 04:07:56 PM
It's somewhat ironic that my 200th custom is an 84mm mod since I stopped taking orders on that size.. but here it is! Mod number 200.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom200/IMG_1701.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom200/IMG_1705.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom200/IMG_1707.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom200/IMG_1710.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom200/IMG_1715.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom200/IMG_1722.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on December 20, 2013, 04:45:00 PM
Very nice Syph :tu:  One of those would be the perfect urban EDC.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on December 20, 2013, 05:05:17 PM
Very nice Syph :tu:  One of those would be the perfect urban EDC.
Or if you were a Stormtrooper! :D

Looking good as always!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on December 20, 2013, 05:29:23 PM
Very nice Syph :tu:  One of those would be the perfect urban EDC.
Or if you were a Stormtrooper! :D

Looking good as always!

True...I do like the Stormtroopers he made a while back.  I wish I had a nice chunk of money to get a couple of these customs.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on December 20, 2013, 05:35:02 PM
Very nice Syph :tu:  One of those would be the perfect urban EDC.
Or if you were a Stormtrooper! :D

Looking good as always!

True...I do like the Stormtroopers he made a while back.  I wish I had a nice chunk of money to get a couple of these customs.
That makes two of us.  I'll have to stick to this for now.  And by stick to, I mean smile like a little kid every time I carry it! :D

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Knives/3EDB5B0E-6392-4289-AD73-ED5E3121ED65_zpsow1e7bc4.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Knives/3EDB5B0E-6392-4289-AD73-ED5E3121ED65_zpsow1e7bc4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on December 20, 2013, 05:40:52 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't mind a Pioneer with scissors as it would be a good, basic EDC item.  While I like my Mechaneer, I find it just doesn't seem to fit well with any EDC lineup I like to carry.  I'm finding that I'm favoring cellidor more due to the scale tools (even though I don't use them often, I just like knowing I have them).  Still, I really like the Alox.  Basically, I just need a bunch of money to blow on some customs >:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 03, 2014, 06:36:43 PM
I havent been posting every single alox custom in this thread since so many are just the same model.  This one I put a bit of extra effort in though so I wanted to show it off.  I normally make round washers to use as spacers for the phillips driver in the triple tool layer I make, but I wanted to make spacers that match the contour of the liners to make it all blend in.

I think it turned out so nice.  Those spacers are riveted to the liners so they will never rotate or move.  Both red and brass and black and brass are my favorite combinations of all time.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom205/IMG_1959.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom205/IMG_2029.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom205/IMG_2059.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom205/IMG_2064.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom205/IMG_2072.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom205/IMG_2079.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom205/IMG_2000.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on January 03, 2014, 06:59:38 PM
 :drool:

I like it very much.

Only a bit related: Do you know if the triple tool layer will work in 91 mm, too?

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 03, 2014, 07:01:04 PM
:drool:

I like it very much.

Only a bit related: Do you know if the triple tool layer will work in 91 mm, too?

Short answer is no unfortunately.  Springs are not reversible on 91mm.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kamm on January 03, 2014, 07:10:22 PM
ANODIZER! Imma get me some purple scales. ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 03, 2014, 07:28:33 PM
That one's a beauty Syph :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 03, 2014, 07:33:39 PM
Beautiful job Syph! :tu: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 03, 2014, 07:48:47 PM
ANODIZER! Imma get me some purple scales. ;)

Ha! Yes I know you've always wanted purple and purple on Ti is one of the good colors too! :D

Its too cold here to setup my Ti anodize right now, but Im going to get a heater for my shop. You know its cold when you go to dunk a hot part off the grinder in your quench bucket and its frozen!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on January 03, 2014, 07:52:01 PM
I keep saying this, but I'm going to figure out another custom.  I just gotta get me some of that Red and brass love.  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: glorn on January 04, 2014, 09:06:38 AM
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom204/IMG_1866.jpg)
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom204/IMG_1871.jpg)
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom204/IMG_1867.jpg)
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom204/IMG_1902.jpg)


Robert is too modest with his "not posting every mod due to same models.." I believe I speak for all of us when I say we want to see every single one. This may be my most checked thread.

The above example of his amazing work is on its way to me. I cannot wait to have it in hand. I have dubbed it "Vader" for the time being, as I think it would look quite at home among a gaggle of his "Stormtrooper" models. Still, I wouldn't mind a more SAK-like proper name if anyone has one.

Well done, Syph007!

Now, please go back to posting all of them! I need my fix.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Heywood Floyd on January 04, 2014, 10:38:02 AM
Robert is too modest with his "not posting every mod due to same models.." I believe I speak for all of us when I say we want to see every single one. This may be my most checked thread.

The above example of his amazing work is on its way to me. I cannot wait to have it in hand. I have dubbed it "Vader" for the time being, as I think it would look quite at home among a gaggle of his "Stormtrooper" models. Still, I wouldn't mind a more SAK-like proper name if anyone has one.

Well done, Syph007!

Now, please go back to posting all of them! I need my fix.
glorn,
I have no doubt your anticipation is well founded.
Syph007 makes exception pieces.
Totally agree with your sentiment that Syph007 should post every build, irrespective of repetition or otherwise, as it would be appreciated by those that follow this thread.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 04, 2014, 07:40:35 PM
That's a nice one Glorn:). Nice work by Syph as usual:D

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 05, 2014, 06:36:45 PM
I got this beauty done last night.  I think this is my new favorite version of a 3 layer alox mod and here is why.  I dont need the can opener or little scrwdriver at the tip.  Knife blade tip works for small screws and if I need to open a can I can make do with the knife blade, reamer, or cap lifter. 

So... replacing the can opener with a phillips driver makes sense for me, and anyone else who doesnt need a can opener.  Now the problem with replacing it directly and leaving the opener layer on the outer layer is the phillips driver will hit and chip the scale since its head is wider than the layer itself.

So... without the can opener, we can move that layer to the center which gives the phillips head lots of room and nothing gets hit.  The second benefit is that both drivers are now centered in the SAK and feel more natural in use.

All nail nicks work perfect and the overall package is a pleasure to use and carry since it is of minimal thickness! :D Now I need a name for this model.  Urban phillips pioneer, but better. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom207/IMG_2147.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom207/IMG_2158.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom207/IMG_2165.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom207/IMG_2167.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom207/IMG_2174.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom207/IMG_2189.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom207/IMG_2194.jpg)

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 05, 2014, 08:14:14 PM
Very nice setup syph! Love it! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 05, 2014, 08:27:11 PM
That was a good idea, and great execution Syph8)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on January 06, 2014, 04:16:54 PM
  Really like that one Syph, especially because it is a 3 layer with phillips!

  Great job mate!! It's a real beauty :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Pignut71 on January 06, 2014, 08:08:13 PM
Love that Symph!

Tell me, could that have a lanyard ring added and the reamer replaced with a small blade or the small nail file?

Regards, Jon
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bmot on January 06, 2014, 08:21:43 PM
Love that Symph!

Tell me, could that have a lanyard ring added and the reamer replaced with a small blade or the small nail file?

Regards, Jon


I'm not Syph, but I'm sure that's a possibility. Keyring or no keyring is always an option, and I'm quite sure the small blade shouldn't be a problem as well ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 06, 2014, 08:42:01 PM
Small blade is a direct swap in, it just needs a tiny washer.  The nail file from a cadet needs a new spring with thicker rest to work properely (so it costs more) but does work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 07, 2014, 04:36:05 PM
Oh baby, I was restocking on screws and found that knifekits has Ti screws now... 2 buck each but I gotta get some for Ti urban pioneer builds... :D

They are a shallow socket style so they will still fit flush with the scales too. mmmm...  They can be anodized too!

(http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/images/256shts-140-250_ti_1_600.jpg)

http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/product_info.php?products_id=4723
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: dmanuel on January 09, 2014, 02:27:23 AM
So Syph, what is the likelihood of you producing something like this one day? Cause I would go broke if you did lol

(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3563/p1180312d.jpg)
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/171/p1180332u.jpg)

Edit: Nevermind, I see the answer to my second question!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on January 09, 2014, 02:47:47 AM
Haven't seen that Hanes in a while. The idea for that actually originated from this forum.

http://forum.multitool.org/swiss-forum/2011-dream-sak-palooza/
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: AdmSlc on January 09, 2014, 04:16:16 AM
Oh boy.. After reading this thread I know my next step is getting into the mod game.


-AdmSlc
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: dmanuel on January 09, 2014, 04:40:11 AM
Haven't seen that Hanes in a while. The idea for that actually originated from this forum.

http://forum.multitool.org/swiss-forum/2011-dream-sak-palooza/

That's awesome! Now if only we can convince Syph to do one so we (I) can get my hands on one lol
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on January 09, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
So Syph, what is the likelihood of you producing something like this one day? Cause I would go broke if you did lol

(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3563/p1180312d.jpg)
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/171/p1180332u.jpg)

Edit: Nevermind, I see the answer to my second question!
Splendid. Now OHO please 8)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on January 09, 2014, 11:21:01 PM
I'm going to do either this frame-lock or a liner lock to my work EDC Electrician. Why you ask?...

Because the blade closed on my finger a couple of days ago. Sure, I should have been more careful and not trying to plunge-cut with a slippy. But that's not the point!!  It bit me and needs to be fixed. :rant:
Lucky the blade was sharp and it was a very clean cut, it has knit back together nicely with the help of a couple of wound closure strips. But smurfing hell it bled.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20140110_081512_zpsnif07l8k.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/20140110_081512_zpsnif07l8k.jpg.html)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 10, 2014, 03:57:44 AM
Nice fleshwound PTRSAK ;) 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rickinFL on January 10, 2014, 05:22:12 AM
So Syph, what is the likelihood of you producing something like this one day? Cause I would go broke if you did lol

(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3563/p1180312d.jpg)
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/171/p1180332u.jpg)

Edit: Nevermind, I see the answer to my second question!

WOW.  I think I'm in love.  Who made that? 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: dmanuel on January 10, 2014, 08:31:28 AM
So Syph, what is the likelihood of you producing something like this one day? Cause I would go broke if you did lol

(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3563/p1180312d.jpg)
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/171/p1180332u.jpg)

Edit: Nevermind, I see the answer to my second question!

WOW.  I think I'm in love.  Who made that?

It is a Hane, from Czech Republic.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on January 11, 2014, 04:44:09 AM
I just picked up a couple of cheap NIB Electricians, so I can definitely rip one apart and have a go at making a lockblade mod.  >:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cupboard on January 11, 2014, 11:45:49 AM
The thing that concerns me slightly is the strength (or possibly hardness) of the aluminium. You'd be jamming a hardened steel blade tang in to a relatively soft and flimsy aluminium scale/lock thing. Call me a pessimist but I can't see that being reliable for long.

Edit: fwiw, I've trimmed down a bit of mild steel of about the same thickness as the Alox scale with my Wave's knife. Not a nice thing to do with it but needs must and it did it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: dmanuel on January 11, 2014, 02:02:30 PM
The thing that concerns me slightly is the strength (or possibly hardness) of the aluminium. You'd be jamming a hardened steel blade tang in to a relatively soft and flimsy aluminium scale/lock thing. Call me a pessimist but I can't see that being reliable for long.

Edit: fwiw, I've trimmed down a bit of mild steel of about the same thickness as the Alox scale with my Wave's knife. Not a nice thing to do with it but needs must and it did it.

I'm not sure but I think it is a whole new back made from titanium.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 11, 2014, 04:05:36 PM
The thing that concerns me slightly is the strength (or possibly hardness) of the aluminium. You'd be jamming a hardened steel blade tang in to a relatively soft and flimsy aluminium scale/lock thing. Call me a pessimist but I can't see that being reliable for long.

Edit: fwiw, I've trimmed down a bit of mild steel of about the same thickness as the Alox scale with my Wave's knife. Not a nice thing to do with it but needs must and it did it.

I'm not sure but I think it is a whole new back made from titanium.

Yes his front scale is orange g10, back is Ti.  The Ti is bead blasted with a fine size glass bead to get that finish.  Its been on my list of todos ever since I saw it. :D

I dont care for the detent ball method to retain a blade in closed position, so I think a weak backspring might as well be there to retain it closed.  Unless you want a one hand open locking blade then you wouldnt want any backspring.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on January 13, 2014, 02:30:01 AM

The thing that concerns me slightly is the strength (or possibly hardness) of the aluminium. You'd be jamming a hardened steel blade tang in to a relatively soft and flimsy aluminium scale/lock thing. Call me a pessimist but I can't see that being reliable for long.

Edit: fwiw, I've trimmed down a bit of mild steel of about the same thickness as the Alox scale with my Wave's knife. Not a nice thing to do with it but needs must and it did it.

I'm not sure but I think it is a whole new back made from titanium.

Yes his front scale is orange g10, back is Ti.  The Ti is bead blasted with a fine size glass bead to get that finish.  Its been on my list of todos ever since I saw it. :D

I dont care for the detent ball method to retain a blade in closed position, so I think a weak backspring might as well be there to retain it closed.  Unless you want a one hand open locking blade then you wouldnt want any backspring.

There has to be a spring there, the awl is on the other side :)


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on January 13, 2014, 08:56:27 AM
I'm thinking of going with a Ti liner-lock between the blade and scale. I'll be looking at reshaping the tang to work with the lock and may change the rest on the spring to reduce the snap to a minimum level without effecting the awl too much. Think I will be doing a bit of mockup work with some old blades.
I knew that borked blade from the Electrician-Plus would come in handy for something.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on January 13, 2014, 01:15:50 PM

The thing that concerns me slightly is the strength (or possibly hardness) of the aluminium. You'd be jamming a hardened steel blade tang in to a relatively soft and flimsy aluminium scale/lock thing. Call me a pessimist but I can't see that being reliable for long.

Edit: fwiw, I've trimmed down a bit of mild steel of about the same thickness as the Alox scale with my Wave's knife. Not a nice thing to do with it but needs must and it did it.

I'm not sure but I think it is a whole new back made from titanium.

Yes his front scale is orange g10, back is Ti.  The Ti is bead blasted with a fine size glass bead to get that finish.  Its been on my list of todos ever since I saw it. :D

I dont care for the detent ball method to retain a blade in closed position, so I think a weak backspring might as well be there to retain it closed.  Unless you want a one hand open locking blade then you wouldnt want any backspring.

There has to be a spring there, the awl is on the other side :)


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I'm guessing he made his own backsprings same as Robert does. He also made a new blade for it. The one he uses isn't a Vic one.

Titan orange framelock Farmer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkTY8wVFXN0#)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: dmanuel on January 13, 2014, 01:20:42 PM
Is it possible to put the combo tool and large blade (93mm) across from each other on a single layer? Sorry, I'm sure this is a noob question that has been asked before I just can't seem to find an answer out there. It seems like this is the way the Bantam and Compact is set up, and so it should work. However I didn't know if jumping up to the 93mm would cause an issue.

Thanks for the info guys!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 13, 2014, 03:14:23 PM
Is it possible to put the combo tool and large blade (93mm) across from each other on a single layer? Sorry, I'm sure this is a noob question that has been asked before I just can't seem to find an answer out there. It seems like this is the way the Bantam and Compact is set up, and so it should work. However I didn't know if jumping up to the 93mm would cause an issue.

Thanks for the info guys!


Yep that works no problem.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on January 13, 2014, 05:46:12 PM

Is it possible to put the combo tool and large blade (93mm) across from each other on a single layer? Sorry, I'm sure this is a noob question that has been asked before I just can't seem to find an answer out there. It seems like this is the way the Bantam and Compact is set up, and so it should work. However I didn't know if jumping up to the 93mm would cause an issue.

Thanks for the info guys!


Yep that works no problem.
Also just have to drill out the pivot to 3mm if your peening it.


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 13, 2014, 07:50:54 PM
I was chatting with my electroplater today and he mentioned they have a new dye color in......  orange!

Im prepping scales this week and I should have hard anodized ORANGE SCALES next week!  :D

It will be a dark matte orange.  Im super curious to see how it will turn out.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on January 13, 2014, 08:27:21 PM
:drool:


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 13, 2014, 08:46:47 PM
:drool:


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My thoughts exactly.  So many people asked me for orange anodize but I had to settle for cerakote.  Hard anodized orange will wear much better.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 13, 2014, 10:37:52 PM
Well this sure has been a long time coming but here it is... 91mm alox prototype super tinker.  :D

I put this together to answer 3 questions.

1.  Does it feel like an upgrade to the plastic scales, does it feel like alox?
   
A.  YES!! It feels so nice and solid.  Great snap on all the tools and it feels aloxy!

2.  Will the 1/8 pivots work on the backtool layer tools?

A.  YES!  I drilled out all backtools to 1/8th inch and that worked no problem.

3.  Will hiding that 4th pin work out ok?

A.  YES, no problem there and actually I dont even have to drill into the scales for it to work.

This I put together with stock liners, but I will redo in brass for a better look.  I will take assembly pics when I rebuild it to show how it all builds up.  But for now here are the prototype pics!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/Prototype/IMG_2204.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/Prototype/IMG_2210.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/Prototype/IMG_2214.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/Prototype/IMG_2225.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/Prototype/IMG_2232.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/Prototype/IMG_2243.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/Prototype/IMG_2251.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on January 13, 2014, 10:44:18 PM
Ok so when I get mine???


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on January 13, 2014, 10:50:24 PM
Well this sure has been a long time coming but here it is... 91mm alox prototype super tinker.  :D

I put this together to answer 3 questions.

1.  Does it feel like an upgrade to the plastic scales, does it feel like alox?
   
A.  YES!! It feels so nice and solid.  Great snap on all the tools and it feels aloxy!

2.  Will the 1/8 pivots work on the backtool layer tools?

A.  YES!  I drilled out all backtools to 1/8th inch and that worked no problem.

3.  Will hiding that 4th pin work out ok?

A.  YES, no problem there and actually I dont even have to drill into the scales for it to work.

This I put together this stock liners, but I will redo in brass for a better look.  I will take assembly pics when I rebuild it to show how it all builds up.  But for now here are the prototype pics!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/Prototype/IMG_2204.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/Prototype/IMG_2210.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/Prototype/IMG_2214.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/Prototype/IMG_2225.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/Prototype/IMG_2232.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/Prototype/IMG_2243.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/Prototype/IMG_2251.jpg)
:drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jerseydevil on January 13, 2014, 10:51:24 PM
Oh good Lord.  :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 13, 2014, 11:04:48 PM
Ok so when I get mine???


As soon as I make a bunch more!  Still waiting on CNC parts then I will crank these out in large numbers.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on January 13, 2014, 11:07:10 PM
(http://th91.photobucket.com/albums/k316/fifisallies/smiley/th_3d-faint.gif)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on January 13, 2014, 11:37:04 PM
(http://th91.photobucket.com/albums/k316/fifisallies/smiley/th_3d-faint.gif)

My thoughts exactly. :o
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 14, 2014, 02:31:15 AM
Syph, you're an evil, evil man :drool: >:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: willfcc on January 14, 2014, 02:50:12 AM
Syph,
Will you be selling kits with scales, liners and screws for the home hobbyist?


Will
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 14, 2014, 03:12:05 AM
Syph,
Will you be selling kits with scales, liners and screws for the home hobbyist?


Will

Yes my plan will be 2-fold.  To continue offer modding services to those without the tools to do the mods on their own, and to sell scale/liner/pivot kits to convert their own.  A drill press would still be required to drill out the tools, but the rest of it is just simple tools to do the converting.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 14, 2014, 09:13:30 AM
Sweet!

Have you thought about a logo? :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on January 14, 2014, 09:26:29 AM
I´m easy to please, I´ll take a Spartan please.

That is looking really good, Syph! I´m looking forward to available scales.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pawn on January 14, 2014, 09:29:23 AM
Syph,
Will you be selling kits with scales, liners and screws for the home hobbyist?


Will

Yes my plan will be 2-fold.  To continue offer modding services to those without the tools to do the mods on their own, and to sell scale/liner/pivot kits to convert their own.  A drill press would still be required to drill out the tools, but the rest of it is just simple tools to do the converting.

I would buy a large box of those! With 93mm and 91mm Scales and liners in various colors.

Interesting times!  :sak:

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 14, 2014, 10:28:14 PM
Just a regular black farmer with scissors today.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom208/IMG_2261.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom208/IMG_2277.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom208/IMG_2288.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom208/IMG_2289.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: dmanuel on January 15, 2014, 05:02:48 AM
I was chatting with my electroplater today and he mentioned they have a new dye color in......  orange!

Im prepping scales this week and I should have hard anodized ORANGE SCALES next week!  :D

It will be a dark matte orange.  Im super curious to see how it will turn out.

Not to take away from the rest of your work ... but this is what I am waiting to see! Cerakote is pretty awesome, but HA is perfect!  :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: splico on January 15, 2014, 11:51:30 AM
Ok, I was excited to do a test fit together of all the parts.  Some parts still need final sand and polish, but the major nicks are sanded out of the drilled holes.

Starting from the back side scale with posts.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1828.jpg)

Plus first layer...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1829.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1834.jpg)

Plus scissors...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1835.jpg)

Plus opener layer.. no saw layer on this first test mock up, didnt want to push my luck.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1836.jpg)

Plus top scale!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1837.jpg)

And some fully assembled shots...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1838.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1839.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1840.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/IMG_1841.jpg)

It's close to finished but a few details to tidy up.  I still need to grind a little on the scissors back spring as well.  I think I like the silver torx screws fine, I might try black to see how it compares.

Cheers!

Syph what is the price for silver alox pioneer with scissors?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 15, 2014, 03:21:59 PM
Using up some more 84mm parts today.  Here is a voyageur with cut down 91mm scissors.

I went with recessed button heads on this one, and its for sure the way to go on 84mm builds.  Much stronger feel with max pivot extending into the scales.  They dont really even stick out further than stock rivets do.  I recessed them about half way into the scales, so the pivot gets half as well.  All tools have excellent snap.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom209/IMG_2304.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom209/IMG_2309.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom209/IMG_2312.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom209/IMG_2315.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on January 15, 2014, 05:02:25 PM
Syph, you're an evil, evil man :drool: >:D
He's Canadian, what did you expect!  :pok: :rofl: :rofl:

I haven't looked in this thread in a while, and there's some great looking SAK's Robert!!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Pignut71 on January 15, 2014, 05:06:58 PM
Syph, that is awesome! Can you quote me for one please.


Sent using my chubby fingers...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 15, 2014, 07:21:54 PM
Syph, you're an evil, evil man :drool: >:D
He's Canadian, what did you expect!  :pok: :rofl: :rofl:

I haven't looked in this thread in a while, and there's some great looking SAK's Robert!!!!

That's true....I just didn't want to break out into the whole "Blame Canada!" song and dance :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 19, 2014, 01:42:37 AM
I was low on farmers so I grabbed a bunch lately for teardowns.  I forgot farmers are nicer to rip apart, you only need to drill out 2 pins and the 3rd you can cut with side cutters.  This works since the saw backspring falls out after you remove 2 pin. 

So it's 33% less work to take apart alox farmers for donors.  :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/Farmer%20breakdown/IMG_2419.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/Farmer%20breakdown/IMG_2424.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/Farmer%20breakdown/IMG_2426.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/Farmer%20breakdown/IMG_2427.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/Farmer%20breakdown/IMG_2430.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/Farmer%20breakdown/IMG_2431.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/Farmer%20breakdown/IMG_2432.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/Farmer%20breakdown/IMG_2434.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/Farmer%20breakdown/IMG_2438.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/Farmer%20breakdown/IMG_2441.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Modding/Farmer%20breakdown/IMG_2444.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on January 19, 2014, 01:48:06 AM
And 33% less likely to mess up the scales. :D That's a good tip. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 19, 2014, 04:28:27 PM
Here's a mod Ive had on the bench for awhile, that has stalled a bit and I need to figure out a solution.

The goal was to get a scalpel blade holder on a SAK... I cut down one and made a pivot and it fits and works well, the problem is i needs to sit far down to keep the sharp blade hidden, but there is no way to pull it out.  All I can think of is to graft or bolt on some metal and form a nail nick on that... but I keep trying to think of an elegant solution.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2461.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2465.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2466.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2468.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on January 19, 2014, 04:36:33 PM
Here's a mod Ive had on the bench for awhile, that has stalled a bit and I need to figure out a solution.

The goal was to get a scalpel blade holder on a SAK... I cut down one and made a pivot and it fits and works well, the problem is i needs to sit far down to keep the sharp blade hidden, but there is no way to pull it out.  All I can think of is to graft or bolt on some metal and form a nail nick on that... but I keep trying to think of an elegant solution.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2461.jpg)


 The first pic was barely loaded and I knew this would be pure awesomeness!!!!

 Thanks Syph for all your moding greatness. It just made my day!!!


p.s. could you make a blade holder, from scratch, with a nail nick like the ones on the drivers of a LM Juice?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on January 19, 2014, 06:49:19 PM
Here's a mod Ive had on the bench for awhile, that has stalled a bit and I need to figure out a solution.

The goal was to get a scalpel blade holder on a SAK... I cut down one and made a pivot and it fits and works well, the problem is i needs to sit far down to keep the sharp blade hidden, but there is no way to pull it out.  All I can think of is to graft or bolt on some metal and form a nail nick on that... but I keep trying to think of an elegant solution.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2461.jpg)


 The first pic was barely loaded and I knew this would be pure awesomeness!!!!

 Thanks Syph for all your moding greatness. It just made my day!!!


p.s. could you make a blade holder, from scratch, with a nail nick like the ones on the drivers of a LM Juice?
+1  :tu:

How about a flipper?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 19, 2014, 06:52:42 PM
Here's a mod Ive had on the bench for awhile, that has stalled a bit and I need to figure out a solution.

The goal was to get a scalpel blade holder on a SAK... I cut down one and made a pivot and it fits and works well, the problem is i needs to sit far down to keep the sharp blade hidden, but there is no way to pull it out.  All I can think of is to graft or bolt on some metal and form a nail nick on that... but I keep trying to think of an elegant solution.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2461.jpg)


 The first pic was barely loaded and I knew this would be pure awesomeness!!!!

 Thanks Syph for all your moding greatness. It just made my day!!!


p.s. could you make a blade holder, from scratch, with a nail nick like the ones on the drivers of a LM Juice?
+1  :tu:

How about a flipper?

Ya that would be the easiest I think, and probably safest way to open a very sharp tool like this.  The only problem is that is has to stick up high enough so that when in open mode it clears the backspring. 

The customer that wanted this sent me 2 holders just in case I messed one up, so I have a spare if I mess up completely.  This build will be very unique for sure though, its got alot of specific tools in one custom SAK that is for a very specific task which is picture framing.  It has a serrated small blade on there too. 

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on January 19, 2014, 08:18:31 PM

Ya that would be the easiest I think, and probably safest way to open a very sharp tool like this.  The only problem is that is has to stick up high enough so that when in open mode it clears the backspring. 

The customer that wanted this sent me 2 holders just in case I messed one up, so I have a spare if I mess up completely.  This build will be very unique for sure though, its got alot of specific tools in one custom SAK that is for a very specific task which is picture framing.  It has a serrated small blade on there too.

  Indeed, if not high enough it would just hit the backspring and it wouldn't open...
 
  Depending on the position of the tool, wouldn't it be possible for you to make a cutout on the handles to facilitate the access to a nail nick?

  BTW, I thought you were just experimenting.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 19, 2014, 10:22:43 PM
A nice brass and black one today.  I wish more people wanted the metal saws, I think they are very handy on a SAK and also I have a pile of them.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom211/IMG_2482.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom211/IMG_2491.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom211/IMG_2495.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom211/IMG_2498.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom211/IMG_2500.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 19, 2014, 11:01:25 PM
She's a beauty Syph! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on January 19, 2014, 11:02:21 PM
The brass liners are a nice touch  8)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Heywood Floyd on January 19, 2014, 11:29:26 PM
Not sure if WWW meant this but would a, dare I say this here ... lol, a Leatherman eg Charge type solution work ie a transverse nodule or knick towards the pivot on the tools body suffice? More specifically like the bit holder tool, or flat screwdriver, scissors etc.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/534/2p05.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on January 20, 2014, 01:05:17 AM

Here's a mod Ive had on the bench for awhile, that has stalled a bit and I need to figure out a solution.

The goal was to get a scalpel blade holder on a SAK... I cut down one and made a pivot and it fits and works well, the problem is i needs to sit far down to keep the sharp blade hidden, but there is no way to pull it out.  All I can think of is to graft or bolt on some metal and form a nail nick on that... but I keep trying to think of an elegant solution.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2461.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2465.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2466.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2468.jpg)
How about a thumb stud? You could cut a little notch out of a scale before ano and then that would work. It would also aid in keeping better hold of the blade ;)


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on January 20, 2014, 01:05:53 AM
Oh btw still waiting on those 91 Alox scales :P


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on January 20, 2014, 04:50:00 PM
Not sure if WWW meant this but would a, dare I say this here ... lol, a Leatherman eg Charge type solution work ie a transverse nodule or knick towards the pivot on the tools body suffice? More specifically like the bit holder tool, or flat screwdriver, scissors etc.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/534/2p05.jpg)

  That is exactly what I meant!! I was also surfing through a Juice related thread so it came to mind immediately.

  BTW that is a beautiful piece of Charge!!

 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 20, 2014, 05:02:48 PM
Not sure if WWW meant this but would a, dare I say this here ... lol, a Leatherman eg Charge type solution work ie a transverse nodule or knick towards the pivot on the tools body suffice? More specifically like the bit holder tool, or flat screwdriver, scissors etc.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/534/2p05.jpg)

  That is exactly what I meant!! I was also surfing through a Juice related thread so it came to mind immediately.

  BTW that is a beautiful piece of Charge!!

 

That does have a rugged looking appeal to it eh... :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Heywood Floyd on January 20, 2014, 05:18:53 PM
Not sure if WWW meant this but would a, dare I say this here ... lol, a Leatherman eg Charge type solution work ie a transverse nodule or knick towards the pivot on the tools body suffice? More specifically like the bit holder tool, or flat screwdriver, scissors etc.

  That is exactly what I meant!! I was also surfing through a Juice related thread so it came to mind immediately.

  BTW that is a beautiful piece of Charge!!
That does have a rugged looking appeal to it eh... :D
Thanks for the kind words gents. It is a very easy mod. Essentially undo fasteners, re-arrange some tools and voila. Very unlike the skill, problem solving and patience amongst other qualities needed to make Syp007 type mods.
It does have some nice qualities that come along with the turf, like detachable pocket clip, frame locking CPM S-30V blade and the ability to easily changeout the tool sets from those remaining.
Its pretty compact but I've not found any useful solution for the ex plier head pivot space.
Syp007 please do tell us the solution you end up settling on to open the blade carrier.
Thanks also for your continued efforts in sharing the SAK modding journey.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 20, 2014, 08:49:06 PM
Dug out some 0.050" Ti today...  :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/OH%20Liner%20lock/IMG_2513.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/OH%20Liner%20lock/IMG_2520.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on January 20, 2014, 08:51:35 PM
:whistle:

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on January 20, 2014, 09:19:18 PM
So do you plan to add a backspring?

Maybe a partial one like on the ct layer so you can have an awl or small blade.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on January 20, 2014, 09:52:57 PM
Dug out some 0.050" Ti today...  :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/OH%20Liner%20lock/IMG_2513.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/OH%20Liner%20lock/IMG_2520.jpg)

 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on January 20, 2014, 10:01:47 PM
Dug out some 0.050" Ti today...  :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/OH%20Liner%20lock/IMG_2513.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/OH%20Liner%20lock/IMG_2520.jpg)

 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
91mm lock + custom blade :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on January 20, 2014, 10:06:27 PM
Good work... I've been sitting on my hands about doing exactly that for a long time... it got knocked up a notch last week when I cut my finger when the blade on my Electrician folded on me.

 I will be :popcorn: with much interest...
and not just to see how you work out the geometry so I don't have to :whistle:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 20, 2014, 10:10:40 PM
Just a prototype for now but if it works I'll build it into a complete mod.  Just going to try with a stock blade to start and Im rearranging the layers to the blade is in the front layer, and you will push with the right thumb to unlock.  Opposite to how the current Vic 111mm works.

Im not sure if I will be able to have a tool with the blade or not.  You know how the blade on a standard pioneer is bent so far it actually sits into the space of the liner.. well this needs a full liner so I dont think it will work.   So it might be a solo spring blade layer, then the rest of the tools.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 20, 2014, 11:36:27 PM
Hmm, very interesting! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 20, 2014, 11:44:45 PM
Im thinking of a layout like this...

From back to front.

1.  Back scale
2.  Can opener / bottle opener layer
3.  Normal shaped Ti liner
4.  Scissors
5.  Locking liner
6.  Blade
7.  Front scale
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 21, 2014, 02:45:06 AM
Im thinking of a layout like this...

From back to front.

1.  Back scale
2.  Can opener / bottle opener layer
3.  Normal shaped Ti liner
4.  Scissors
5.  Locking liner
6.  Blade
7.  Front scale

Sounds cool Syph :tu:  I look forward to what you come up with for this :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on January 21, 2014, 08:20:28 AM
Im thinking of a layout like this...

From back to front.

1.  Back scale
2.  Can opener / bottle opener layer
3.  Normal shaped Ti liner
4.  Scissors
5.  Locking liner
6.  Blade
7.  Front scale
:popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 22, 2014, 09:29:49 PM
Well my CNC retrofit kit came today finally! :D

Now I just have to figure out how to get it all installed, and pick up a driver board.. flood coolant tank and pump.. and a computer to run it.. learn CAD better.. :D

Hopeful by summer I'll get this all sorted or maybe sooner but its COLD in my shop right now.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Mill/CNC%20Kit/IMG_2588.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Mill/CNC%20Kit/IMG_2589.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Mill/CNC%20Kit/IMG_2594.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Mill/CNC%20Kit/IMG_2595.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Mill/CNC%20Kit/IMG_2597.jpg)

The ball screws are nice and smooth, BIG upgrade from the stock lead screws.  Apparently I can even get slightly larger balls and repack the nut for even more precision,... but im not at the advanced stage yet.  I'll just be happy to be able to cut 2D parts. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Mill/CNC%20Kit/IMG_2602.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Mill/CNC%20Kit/IMG_2604.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on January 22, 2014, 09:43:34 PM
Well my CNC retrofit kit came today finally! :D

Now I just have to figure out how to get it all installed, and pick up a driver board.. flood coolant tank and pump.. and a computer to run it.. learn CAD better.. :D

Hopeful by summer I'll get this all sorted or maybe sooner but its COLD in my shop right now.


The ball screws are nice and smooth, BIG upgrade from the stock lead screws.  Apparently I can even get slightly larger balls and repack the nut for even more precision,... but im not at the advanced stage yet.  I'll just be happy to be able to cut 2D parts. :D

  Now you're good for some serious business!!! Can't wait to see what will come out from your shop in the near future!!!  :drool: :ahhh :drool: :ahhh :drool: :ahhh :drool: :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on January 22, 2014, 10:28:30 PM
Looking forward to the what you make with these.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Dr Gonzo on January 22, 2014, 10:53:40 PM
Syph007 you have to be one of the most dedicated Alox modders ever!!!
I love your work and need to save for one of your mods...
I remember seeing a few of Scibeer's mods that I would have liked to buy but then he retired ::)
One day I'll save......please don't retire ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on January 23, 2014, 11:52:30 AM
about the scalpel- you could have a raised nail knick ala the scissors on the China sacks. It's not elegant for sure, but it would work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 27, 2014, 11:54:48 PM
Im down to a critically low amount of scissors backsprings for 93mm alox now, so I forced myself to sit down at the computer and work on a new file.  Ver 2.0 of the backspring is pretty much the same, but with some tweaks to make it easier to sand and finish, and also strengthen it.

I was always worried about the strength of the spring over the pivot hole so I beefed that up a bit.  I use a 1/2 inch sanding mandrel to finish the inside edges and it could never get into the tight area near then end where the scissors tip rests so I increased that radius.  The end of the spring that engages the scissors pivot is also slightly thicker which should give the scissors a bit more snap.

Now I have to wait 3-4 weeks for the waterjet, then heat treat, so hopefully in 2 months I should be restocked.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=116305;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on January 28, 2014, 11:05:56 AM
Im down to a critically low amount of scissors backsprings for 93mm alox now, so I forced myself to sit down at the computer and work on a new file.  Ver 2.0 of the backspring is pretty much the same, but with some tweaks to make it easier to sand and finish, and also strengthen it.

I was always worried about the strength of the spring over the pivot hole so I beefed that up a bit.  I use a 1/2 inch sanding mandrel to finish the inside edges and it could never get into the tight area near then end where the scissors tip rests so I increased that radius.  The end of the spring that engages the scissors pivot is also slightly thicker which should give the scissors a bit more snap.

Now I have to wait 3-4 weeks for the waterjet, then heat treat, so hopefully in 2 months I should be restocked.
Ever evolving, I like that. :salute:

Oh and what happened to the liner lock? :pok: :pok: :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on January 28, 2014, 11:40:07 AM
It's real cold up in the great white north atm. The Others are coming!  Don't begrudge a man for enjoying the comforts of his warm computer during the big freeze of 14.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 28, 2014, 04:06:39 PM
It's real cold up in the great white north atm. The Others are coming!  Don't begrudge a man for enjoying the comforts of his warm computer during the big freeze of 14.

yes its crazy cold out there!  I priced a ceiling mounted gas heater but its 1600.  Maybe next winter. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on January 28, 2014, 05:27:45 PM
about the scalpel- you could have a raised nail knick ala the scissors on the China sacks. It's not elegant for sure, but it would work.
I just found out that Havalon  (http://www.havalon.com/the-piranta-skinning-knives.html)makes folding scalpels, maybe that is interesting to you.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 29, 2014, 04:22:42 PM
Im down to a critically low amount of scissors backsprings for 93mm alox now, so I forced myself to sit down at the computer and work on a new file.  Ver 2.0 of the backspring is pretty much the same, but with some tweaks to make it easier to sand and finish, and also strengthen it.

I was always worried about the strength of the spring over the pivot hole so I beefed that up a bit.  I use a 1/2 inch sanding mandrel to finish the inside edges and it could never get into the tight area near then end where the scissors tip rests so I increased that radius.  The end of the spring that engages the scissors pivot is also slightly thicker which should give the scissors a bit more snap.

Now I have to wait 3-4 weeks for the waterjet, then heat treat, so hopefully in 2 months I should be restocked.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=116305;image)

I had a few emails out for quotes and the lowest one I got was actually a local guy about 20 minutes from here.  I prefer to use local when I can so Im going over to drop the steel off now.  He said 3 weeks.  I'm somewhat nervous trying a new shop but if it works out it will be nice to have a local guy I can trust.  I would then consider using him to cut a bunch of brass liners out as a next test as cutting them manually... SUCKS! :D

The waterjet pricing is interesting.  It works out to somewhere between 3-6 bucks a part, but it depends on how much taper you can accept on the edges.  For zero taper its the most expensive as the machine has to go the slowest.  Luckily my tolerances are no where near as high as that.  For the cheapest cut price it will only have 0.006" of taper over the 0.110" thickness of the steel.  That is completely acceptible for me, since I will still need to edge finish anyhow.

Now watch my luck as I get 200 new springs in and Vic decides to kill the 93mm alox liner for 2014...  :sa:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 29, 2014, 04:25:28 PM
Will the center hole also be cut by the waterjet or do you drill it yourself?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 29, 2014, 04:27:48 PM
Will the center hole also be cut by the waterjet or do you drill it yourself?

Waterjet will cut the hole, but undersized.  Its nice to have it accurately located, but it still needs to be drilled out after heat treat and polished like the other parts. 

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 29, 2014, 04:29:46 PM
Any plans on how you finish the springs? Batch-wise? Or the full lot in an era of eternal darkness? :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 29, 2014, 04:36:32 PM
Any plans on how you finish the springs? Batch-wise? Or the full lot in an era of eternal darkness? :D

Well the first time I heat treated these I didnt know to ask for them to be done in a vaccuum.  This time I will so there should be significantly less finish work.

The first batch took ALOT of effort to get one heavily oxidized spring to polished state.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/IMG_3796_zpse7a5be44.jpg)

A nice size semi-pro level tumbler can be got for around 5-700.  If the springs need alot of work, I might just go for it and get the tumbler to speed finish them.  But I will wait to see how they are when back from heat treating.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on January 29, 2014, 09:15:59 PM
Hope it all turns out good. And I wouldn't worry about Vic canceling the 93's. ;) They'll be around for a long time.

And the waterjet pricing looks interesting. I'm thinking of a MTO project that's been on hold for too long.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 29, 2014, 09:50:37 PM
Hope it all turns out good. And I wouldn't worry about Vic canceling the 93's. ;) They'll be around for a long time.

And the waterjet pricing looks interesting. I'm thinking of a MTO project that's been on hold for too long.

I went in and dropped off the steel. Im old fashioned with this type of stuff and I really like doing business face to face and being able to discuss the job and other options. 

He was a really nice and knowledgeable fellow so I cant wait to get the parts back.  He said cutting brass liners would be no problem so I'm going to bring in a few square feet of brass next and give that a try.  I looked at his samples of edge finishes for the various tapers and I went with the cheapest option as it looked fine to me.  So I should be just around $3.25 a part if my math is correct.  As long as im under $10 per finished spring Im happy.  The steel was about $200, and im not sure what heat treat will be but I think a finished spring should be around $8.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 31, 2014, 08:47:14 PM
Ok...  a few updates.

Orange hard anodized is delayed for another week!  :( 

I got restocked on red parts though.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_2720.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_2721.jpg)

I also ground a test blade to try with that liner lock I cut....

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/OH%20Liner%20lock/IMG_2725.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/OH%20Liner%20lock/IMG_2733.jpg)

It locks up perfectly, BUT there is a problem I didnt see ahead of time.  Can you see the issue?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Chaka on January 31, 2014, 08:58:18 PM
No stop pin?   Locks at 90°?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 31, 2014, 08:59:36 PM
No stop pin?

Its using a backspring still, so I dont need one...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Chaka on January 31, 2014, 09:01:43 PM
You reply too fast...


Blade locks at 90°?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 31, 2014, 09:05:25 PM
You reply too fast...


Blade locks at 90°?

Bingo!  :D  I was like.. cool blade locks up nice! Then I went to close it and it stops half way!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Chaka on January 31, 2014, 09:44:19 PM
Maybe if you make the cut like this...


(http://i.imgur.com/ZEzMgiC.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 31, 2014, 11:18:48 PM
The locking part of the liner/scale must extend almost up to the pivot so that the 90° part of the blade doesn't lock.
And the blade has to be modified so that in the locking position the part of the blade is short enough to fit behind the locking mechanism.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 31, 2014, 11:48:47 PM
The locking part of the liner/scale must extend almost up to the pivot so that the 90° part of the blade doesn't lock.
And the blade has to be modified so that in the locking position the part of the blade is short enough to fit behind the locking mechanism.

Yup I think I can redo it and get it to work now that I realize that I have to account for that.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 01, 2014, 01:02:47 AM
This seems to be what I need.   :tu:

I can still make the long cut with the 1/16th inch bit, and the short thinner cut I'll have to use a jeweler saw.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=116611;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: dmanuel on February 01, 2014, 11:39:30 AM
Not to sidetrack from this completely awesome train, but what is the feasibility of Reamer + Scissors + Saw + Blade + Combo Tool? Should all stack correctly and be only three layers thick right?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on February 01, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
This seems to be what I need.   :tu:

I can still make the long cut with the 1/16th inch bit, and the short thinner cut I'll have to use a jeweler saw.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=116611;image)

  Will you use a backspring or the liner to retain the blade inside the handles?? In the case you don't use a backspring you'll need a stop pin and a backspacer/stand off right??
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on February 01, 2014, 02:16:03 PM
Oh man, a locking urban Pioneer would be sick!  It would make a nice combo with my Galahad padlock :p

Once you get the secret sauce down, you should bust out 10 locking pioneers and 10 locking farmers for a bit if fast cash. Then when you get the scissors springs, 10 urban pioneers ans 10 urban farmers. That should.set you up for the heater you need. :p
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on February 01, 2014, 04:03:07 PM
 :ahhh

Looking forward for to this.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sticktodrum on February 06, 2014, 07:50:38 PM
Wow, that looks ridiculous. I'd love to grab one of those.  :gimme: :gimme: :gimme:


By the way, I finally uploaded a video I made about Bob's custom SAK I got a while back. I love this thing, and carry it most days. :D

It's a model you've all seen, but why not post it anyway?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEJD8vX0SJY
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on February 06, 2014, 11:51:35 PM
Good video of an alox goodness. :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 07, 2014, 12:17:50 AM
Wow, that looks ridiculous. I'd love to grab one of those.  :gimme: :gimme: :gimme:


By the way, I finally uploaded a video I made about Bob's custom SAK I got a while back. I love this thing, and carry it most days. :D

It's a model you've all seen, but why not post it anyway?



Thanks for the great review!

I had planned more of a youtube presence to promote and sell my customs but the problem is I cant keep up to orders now, so I will wait until I can produce more before I start pumping out the youtube videos.

Cheers!  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 07, 2014, 12:22:25 AM
Back on the lock blade topic.  Ana from Spain sent in some very well thought out notes on the lockblade issue and she had some good ideas.

Making the cuts wavy to eliminate stress points makes tons of sense.  Hard to do by hand but if I waterjet cut a bunch that would work just fine.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=117046;image)

Her first idea, I think is similar to what Chaka was suggesting.  Im going to give that a try next as it sure look slike it should work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on February 07, 2014, 12:29:43 AM
I like those ideas. :tu:

The wavy pattern looks great.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 07, 2014, 12:46:51 AM
Nice, I like the first or second, the wavy looks neat but I don't think it would have the lock effect like the others,, JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 07, 2014, 02:38:41 AM
I think this should work.  If it is to replace the existing liner in a pioneer, I needed to have the cutout at the blade tip end.  A normal pioneer blade is bent over so far that it would actually hit a full liner, but this way it should be enough to clear it.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=117055;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Heywood Floyd on February 07, 2014, 03:35:36 AM
I think this should work.  If it is to replace the existing liner in a pioneer, I needed to have the cutout at the blade tip end.  A normal pioneer blade is bent over so far that it would actually hit a full liner, but this way it should be enough to clear it.
Your option may be strong enough for the intended purpose. I just wanted to respectfully point out that the locking tab in your suggested solution would be under bending load with a relatively long lever arm. Alternatively, with a more conventional liner lock interface approach the loading would be mostly compressive. The likely result would be the ability to bear a greater closing torque before failing. In any event I look forward to seeing your prototype.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 07, 2014, 03:37:40 AM
I think this should work.  If it is to replace the existing liner in a pioneer, I needed to have the cutout at the blade tip end.  A normal pioneer blade is bent over so far that it would actually hit a full liner, but this way it should be enough to clear it.
Your option may be strong enough for the intended purpose. I just wanted to respectfully point out that the locking tab in your suggested solution would be under bending load with a relatively long lever arm. Alternatively, with a more conventional liner lock interface approach the loading would be mostly compressive. The likely result would be the ability to bear a greater closing torque before failing. In any event I look forward to seeing your prototype.

Yep I came to that realization too.  Next version will lock on 2 sides and that should work.  Compressive force is the meat of the strength for sure.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 16, 2014, 06:55:29 PM
Well I was stalled on the scalpel blade holder for ages and finally got back to it and solved it.

The problem was the scalpel holder itself wasnt quite big enough, and sat down too far inside.  I figured I might as well just make a new pivot piece and then rivet the holder to that.

So.. I had a chunk of Ti scrap I milled some steps in.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2914.jpg)

And cut out a piece to use to form the pivot.  I also milled a matching step into the blade holder.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2917.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2919.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2922.jpg)

I drilled 2, 1/16 holes and used brass rivets to attach the two pieces.  Its very strong and solid.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2927.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2928.jpg)

I left some material on the top to be able to cut a nail nick.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2937.jpg)

And here is how it looks in the SAK.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2957.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2960.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 16, 2014, 07:00:31 PM
Here are pics of the completed custom.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2962.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2973.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2974.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2976.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2981.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2988.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_2994.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/xacto/IMG_3001.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on February 16, 2014, 07:18:06 PM
That's a very special one. :tu: Glad you finally found a way to integrate it and I have a feeling this might become popular and requested tool in the future.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 16, 2014, 07:19:10 PM
Im thinking of adding a thin kydex sleeve over the blade.  It feels a little dangerous opening it.   :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on February 16, 2014, 07:21:12 PM
Yes, might be a good idea. But leave enough room around the edge not to dull it while sliding it off and on.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Chaka on February 16, 2014, 07:53:40 PM
That's a sharp mod Syph...  ::)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 16, 2014, 08:10:31 PM
Unique setup Syph, love the serration! Nice job.. JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 16, 2014, 08:22:29 PM
I get asked ALOT in emails where my website is, do I have a site to show my work, etc etc.  Well I finally got around to registering 2 domains.  SAKModder.com and SAKMods.com

Now I need to figure out how to make a website.  I did it years ago, but Im rusty.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 16, 2014, 08:29:07 PM
That's a really cool mod Syph, and a website is a great idea :tu:  You need to show off that wonderful work to the masses.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on February 16, 2014, 08:40:57 PM
I get asked ALOT in emails where my website is, do I have a site to show my work, etc etc.  Well I finally got around to registering 2 domains.  SAKModder.com and SAKMods.com

Now I need to figure out how to make a website.  I did it years ago, but Im rusty.
If you need any help, let me know. Would be glad to help out.

And sharp job on the scalpel. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: detron on February 16, 2014, 08:44:08 PM
I get asked ALOT in emails where my website is, do I have a site to show my work, etc etc.  Well I finally got around to registering 2 domains.  SAKModder.com and SAKMods.com

Now I need to figure out how to make a website.  I did it years ago, but Im rusty.
If you need any help, let me know. Would be glad to help out.

And sharp job on the scalpel. :tu:

Very nice of you,  wish I could help, but web-pages is not my area at all.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sticktodrum on February 16, 2014, 09:32:33 PM
If you want help making video content for your site, I'm totally open to help. :D I already do product vids for KershawGuy.

That scalpel holder is really something, especially for use as an every day utility knife. Brilliant idea.

Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 17, 2014, 02:18:00 AM
I get asked ALOT in emails where my website is, do I have a site to show my work, etc etc.  Well I finally got around to registering 2 domains.  SAKModder.com and SAKMods.com

Now I need to figure out how to make a website.  I did it years ago, but Im rusty.
If you need any help, let me know. Would be glad to help out.

And sharp job on the scalpel. :tu:

I might take you up on that later when I figure out what exactly I need.

I threw a stub page up for now.

http://www.sakmodder.com/

The other url www.SAKMods.com (http://www.SAKMods.com) redirects to that url as well.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: dmanuel on February 17, 2014, 04:03:30 AM
I get asked ALOT in emails where my website is, do I have a site to show my work, etc etc.  Well I finally got around to registering 2 domains.  SAKModder.com and SAKMods.com

Now I need to figure out how to make a website.  I did it years ago, but Im rusty.
If you need any help, let me know. Would be glad to help out.

And sharp job on the scalpel. :tu:

I might take you up on that later when I figure out what exactly I need.

I threw a stub page up for now.

http://www.sakmodder.com/

The other url www.SAKMods.com (http://www.SAKMods.com) redirects to that url as well.

And bookmarked for future orders! I love that you are just making it easier and easier to give you all my money!!  :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cauldronborn on February 17, 2014, 09:22:13 PM
 :rofl: I have a feeling I might be joining you in the future :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: borgwarrior on February 19, 2014, 04:46:46 PM
bookmarked. :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cupboard on February 19, 2014, 06:28:47 PM
if you don't feel like doing any proper coding, you could just hack around some Wordpress (or similar) templates.
Takes a lot of the hard work out of it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: dmanuel on February 20, 2014, 12:17:51 PM
Ever considered some splash anodizing? I would kill to get my hands on a vivid blue/black, vivid blue/red, red/black, and orange/black.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on February 20, 2014, 12:26:46 PM
I'd rather see some decent acid wash anodizing. Camouflage looks nice done this way.

(http://www.pinnaclepaintballsupply.com/Woodland%20camo%20T2.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: dmanuel on February 20, 2014, 01:18:09 PM
I'd rather see some decent acid wash anodizing. Camouflage looks nice done this way.

(http://www.pinnaclepaintballsupply.com/Woodland%20camo%20T2.jpg)

Acid wash is great, but for some reason I just love the sharp lines between contrasting colors. Really makes it pop in my opinion.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 20, 2014, 03:56:42 PM
I just got a call that my waterjet order is done. New springs!  Looks like the cut fee worked out to about 3.25 a part. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on February 20, 2014, 04:15:23 PM
I just got a call that my waterjet order is done. New springs!  Looks like the cut fee worked out to about 3.25 a part.
I see a lot of Farmers with Scissors in the future 8)

So has your Workshop warmed up yet? Maybe you need more sun in there:
(http://www.wallpaperdt.biz/wallpapers/2013/08/Red-Hot-Sun-Close-Up-1200x1920.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 20, 2014, 08:53:35 PM
It's hovering around 0 C today.  Not too bad at all actually.

I stopped by the waterjet place! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/V2/IMG_3071-1.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/V2/IMG_3074-1.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/V2/IMG_3088.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/V2/IMG_3098-1.jpg)

You can see the ver 2.0 (top) of the spring has more meat over the pivot and better curves for faster finishing. 

I got a tip from the waterjet buy about a heat treat place right here in town so Im going to check them out tomorrow and get these things done.  :D

I might see about getting them tumbled as well to eliminate the labor intensive manual sanding part, but we'll see.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on February 20, 2014, 09:18:13 PM
It's hovering around 0 C today.  Not too bad at all actually.

I stopped by the waterjet place! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/V2/IMG_3071-1.jpg)
0°C that's horrible!

Hey that mesh looks cool, what are you gonna do with it? Radiator grill for your car? :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 20, 2014, 09:33:43 PM
It's hovering around 0 C today.  Not too bad at all actually.

I stopped by the waterjet place! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/V2/IMG_3071-1.jpg)
0°C that's horrible!

Hey that mesh looks cool, what are you gonna do with it? Radiator grill for your car? :D

Actually i needed some grating at the front of my garage to make a drain and I was going to use it for that! :D  Its still plenty strong.

Oh I checked with the local heat treat place here and guess what... THEY DO DLC TOO! 

Guess who's dumping BO on stainless for PVD-DLC now....   :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on February 20, 2014, 10:21:17 PM
...
Oh I checked with the local heat treat place here and guess what... THEY DO DLC TOO! 

Guess who's dumping BO on stainless for PVD-DLC now....   :ahhh


:ahhh



:dd:



:ahhh


Now this is gonna be sweeet. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 20, 2014, 10:44:01 PM
...
Oh I checked with the local heat treat place here and guess what... THEY DO DLC TOO! 

Guess who's dumping BO on stainless for PVD-DLC now....   :ahhh


:ahhh



:dd:



:ahhh


Now this is gonna be sweeet. :D

I know I got excited!

I sent them off a quote request so we'll see if if I can afford it.  It would be a nice upgrade to the BO as it can have inconsistent results with blotchiness on occasion.

DLC tools and anodized Ti scales and liners....  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on February 20, 2014, 11:45:47 PM


I know I got excited!

I sent them off a quote request so we'll see if if I can afford it.  It would be a nice upgrade to the BO as it can have inconsistent results with blotchiness on occasion.

DLC tools and anodized Ti scales and liners....  :drool:

 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh 

You just made my day!! Way too much awesomeness!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on February 21, 2014, 11:50:32 AM
My abstinence from finally ordering my Pioneer pays off with every new post. :D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 27, 2014, 04:55:33 PM
Copper alox with red liners, with a clip point blade from a day packer.   

It took some fiddling to get that clip point to fit, but it worked out fine.  The blade is much thinner than a standard 93mm blade so it needed a 0.030" washer, but its nice and stable.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom224/IMG_3168.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom224/IMG_3180.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom224/IMG_3184.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom224/IMG_3186.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom224/IMG_3195.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom224/IMG_3201.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 27, 2014, 05:00:43 PM
Interesting build, but beautiful as always Syph :tu: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 27, 2014, 05:34:14 PM
Interesting build, but beautiful as always Syph :tu: JR

+1
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on February 27, 2014, 05:35:37 PM
That's cool, and very different.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rickinFL on February 27, 2014, 09:23:56 PM
Nice.  Did you use same pivot hole?  I just cut a bit off and drilled a new one.  Frustrating to beat material into exisitng.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s625/mikey_likey1/clippoint_zps0b1b032c.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on February 27, 2014, 09:32:14 PM
Love that clip point! :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 27, 2014, 10:51:58 PM
Nice.  Did you use same pivot hole?  I just cut a bit off and drilled a new one.  Frustrating to beat material into exisitng.



No I did a Vic trick like they do to put pruner/electrician blades on 91mm SAKs.  Just tighten the spring a bit and you dont notice.  That pivot was 3.5mm anyhow and the 3.2 mm pivots were fine in that.  Thats even less than putting a 3.0 holed tool on a 2.5mm pin like Vic does.

I thought about shortening the blade, but it was already feeling kind of stubby so I left it as is.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on February 28, 2014, 12:30:49 AM

Ok so when I get mine???


As soon as I make a bunch more!  Still waiting on CNC parts then I will crank these out in large numbers.

Bump! :wave: :)


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 28, 2014, 12:34:36 AM

Ok so when I get mine???


As soon as I make a bunch more!  Still waiting on CNC parts then I will crank these out in large numbers.

Bump! :wave: :)


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My stepper motors are still sitting on my desk.  :D  Too cold for me to get that conversion done yet.  Im thinking april / may is more realistic.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rickinFL on February 28, 2014, 12:56:16 AM
Nice.  Did you use same pivot hole?  I just cut a bit off and drilled a new one.  Frustrating to beat material into exisitng.



No I did a Vic trick like they do to put pruner/electrician blades on 91mm SAKs.  Just tighten the spring a bit and you dont notice.  That pivot was 3.5mm anyhow and the 3.2 mm pivots were fine in that.  Thats even less than putting a 3.0 holed tool on a 2.5mm pin like Vic does.

I thought about shortening the blade, but it was already feeling kind of stubby so I left it as is.

Thanks for that.  That is worlds easier than my route.  Hoping to send the blade off for a reprofile as well on my next attempt. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cauldronborn on February 28, 2014, 01:19:08 AM
Syph, I have a question for you.

Its part idle curiosity & part genuine interest but its been bugging me all day and I have looked though the thread but I didn't see anything to answer it.

What is the largest 84mm SAK you can practically make? For example could you make something like a 5 layer ranger or even a 84mm champion or swisschamp?   
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 28, 2014, 08:44:32 PM
Syph, I have a question for you.

Its part idle curiosity & part genuine interest but its been bugging me all day and I have looked though the thread but I didn't see anything to answer it.

What is the largest 84mm SAK you can practically make? For example could you make something like a 5 layer ranger or even a 84mm champion or swisschamp?   

If you had the 84mm size parts you can slap as many together as you like.  If you mean, take them from the 91mm size then no, alot of them wouldnt fit very well, like pliers, mag / phillips etc.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on March 01, 2014, 02:14:31 AM
Wenger parts can also be used,.but many many recruits will need.to be sacrificed fo this for their backsprings. Two examples are the 84mm huntsman PTR made and.the uber cadet with pliers and more by Steve. Scribs may have done.some.as.well .
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 01, 2014, 02:19:32 AM
Wenger parts can also be used,.but many many recruits will need.to be sacrificed fo this for their backsprings. Two examples are the 84mm huntsman PTR made and.the uber cadet with pliers and more by Steve. Scribs may have done.some.as.well .
So are you saying a Wenger 85mm part will fit on a vic 84? JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on March 01, 2014, 04:34:55 AM
Yes 85 wenger will fit with modifications. I've done 85 pliers in a 84 frame. Some work but yes.


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cauldronborn on March 01, 2014, 08:13:18 PM
Ok, I ran a search & re-read some of the earlier posts and I'm hooked.  :drool: :drool:


Smurf you all!!  :twak: :twak: :rant:


I've just GOT to get one now. :ahhh



But before I go any further, Syph are you still doing 84mm alox mods? I can't remember seeing anything one way or the other.

If so are you able to take orders?

Thanks for your time.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 01, 2014, 08:16:59 PM
Nope all done with 84 alox.  The scales are annoyingly thin to work with.  I like the 93mm alox as it can be countersunk nicely and maintain good frame rigidity. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cauldronborn on March 01, 2014, 08:28:07 PM
Ok,no problem.

EDIT: Are you doing anything at all with the 84mm SAKs?

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 01, 2014, 08:32:50 PM
Ok,no problem.

EDIT: Are you doing anything at all with the 84mm SAKs?

Ive got a full brass conversion of an 84 right now, but that is the last one in the queue.  I dont buy or stock the parts any longer.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cauldronborn on March 01, 2014, 08:35:58 PM
Oh well it was worth a shot, I guess I'll have to have a go myself at some point.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 05, 2014, 06:12:30 PM
Process updates!   :tu:

Still waiting on hard anodized orange... Im starting to think their dye isnt good, its never taken this long for a hard anodize run.

I just dropped off springs for heat treat at an awesome local place for heat treat in vacuum!  Good price and 2 day turnaround!  its 5 minutes from my house!

I talked to the owner about a DLC run next.. not cheap and they have a minimum cost, but if I include enough parts I think I can get the cost per SAK to a reasonable amount.  Much nicer than BO on stainless by a long margin though.  If I include 20 spartans to sell after to help supplement the DLC cost I think that can work.

The problem though is that doing the moving parts ones I dont think is an easy option.. like scissors.  So I could take the scissors apart and re-rivet, or not have them available.... I wonder how hard re-rivetting would be, maybe a test on an old pair of scissors is in order. 

Im pretty excited now to have local electroplater, local waterjet and local heat treat / DLC.  Now I just want to find a local shop for surface grinding and batch tumbling and Im set to make up whatever I need.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on March 05, 2014, 07:26:17 PM
Process updates!   :tu:

Still waiting on hard anodized orange... Im starting to think their dye isnt good, its never taken this long for a hard anodize run.

I just dropped off springs for heat treat at an awesome local place for heat treat in vacuum!  Good price and 2 day turnaround!  its 5 minutes from my house!

I talked to the owner about a DLC run next.. not cheap and they have a minimum cost, but if I include enough parts I think I can get the cost per SAK to a reasonable amount.  Much nicer than BO on stainless by a long margin though.  If I include 20 spartans to sell after to help supplement the DLC cost I think that can work.

The problem though is that doing the moving parts ones I dont think is an easy option.. like scissors.  So I could take the scissors apart and re-rivet, or not have them available.... I wonder how hard re-rivetting would be, maybe a test on an old pair of scissors is in order. 

Im pretty excited now to have local electroplater, local waterjet and local heat treat / DLC.  Now I just want to find a local shop for surface grinding and batch tumbling and Im set to make up whatever I need.  :D

  Glad to hear about all this good news!! If you don't mind me asking, how much more are we talking in regards of the DLC?

  I'm still impressed on how well organized you were able to get the whole SAK moding thing. May I also ask if you're going to make more of those custom blades, now that you have a local HT?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on March 05, 2014, 11:10:08 PM

Process updates!   :tu:

Still waiting on hard anodized orange... Im starting to think their dye isnt good, its never taken this long for a hard anodize run.

I just dropped off springs for heat treat at an awesome local place for heat treat in vacuum!  Good price and 2 day turnaround!  its 5 minutes from my house!

I talked to the owner about a DLC run next.. not cheap and they have a minimum cost, but if I include enough parts I think I can get the cost per SAK to a reasonable amount.  Much nicer than BO on stainless by a long margin though.  If I include 20 spartans to sell after to help supplement the DLC cost I think that can work.

The problem though is that doing the moving parts ones I dont think is an easy option.. like scissors.  So I could take the scissors apart and re-rivet, or not have them available.... I wonder how hard re-rivetting would be, maybe a test on an old pair of scissors is in order. 

Im pretty excited now to have local electroplater, local waterjet and local heat treat / DLC.  Now I just want to find a local shop for surface grinding and batch tumbling and Im set to make up whatever I need.  :D
I have done one set of scissors with a redo on the rivet. The old style with the brass rivet. It works fine :).


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 06, 2014, 04:10:03 PM


Still waiting on hard anodized orange... Im starting to think their dye isnt good, its never taken this long for a hard anodize run.



Orange hard anodize is ready for pickup!  Pics later today.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on March 06, 2014, 05:47:03 PM


Still waiting on hard anodized orange... Im starting to think their dye isnt good, its never taken this long for a hard anodize run.



Orange hard anodize is ready for pickup!  Pics later today.  :D
:ahhh the anticipation :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 08, 2014, 02:22:41 AM
Oops forgot to post some pics of the hard anodized orange scales.  Heres a couple sets.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_3301.jpg)

They turned out pretty sweet and its nice to have another color.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on March 08, 2014, 02:29:04 AM
Oops forgot to post some pics of the hard anodized orange scales.  Heres a couple sets.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_3301.jpg)

They turned out pretty sweet and its nice to have another color.   :tu:

 :drool: :drool: :drool:


I'm a sucker for Orange alox.  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on March 08, 2014, 03:24:23 AM
oh my...thats soooo pretty, Syph007

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on March 08, 2014, 04:36:30 AM
Oops forgot to post some pics of the hard anodized orange scales.  Heres a couple sets.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_3301.jpg)

They turned out pretty sweet and its nice to have another color.   :tu:

 :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: CanadianLMfan on March 08, 2014, 02:59:08 PM
Oops forgot to post some pics of the hard anodized orange scales.  Heres a couple sets.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_3301.jpg)

They turned out pretty sweet and its nice to have another color.   :tu:

 :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:


+1 :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Hyatt181 on March 08, 2014, 04:10:57 PM
Those look great.
So would someone be able to buy a knife from you and then by other scales to swap out colors on demand?


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 08, 2014, 04:39:03 PM
Those look great.
So would someone be able to buy a knife from you and then by other scales to swap out colors on demand?


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If I could just buy the scales I could sell scales on their own too, but I only get them from the knives, so if I sold off a bunch of scale sets Id be left with lots of tools and no scales.  :D

For the 91mm size when I make alox for those I will sell just the scales.  Also if I make 93mm alox ribbed, I would sell those on their own as well. 

Scale swapping is pretty easy on 3 layer mods and smaller.  Larger that that it gets really hard to compress the springs to get the scales on.  I made a special tool to do this.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 08, 2014, 04:44:19 PM
Oh one other update I forgot, regarding stripping the stock scales.  I mentioned I use a 30% solution of NaOH right now and its a nasty process.  Well I was able to buy some commerical grade stripper that doesnt attack aluminum at all like NaOH does.  That means the soak time isnt as critical and less risk of scale damage.

Im doing a run of black hard anodize next and what I want to try is to do the nail polish over the red part of the scale trick to preserve the red, then use this nicer stripper to remove all the anodize on the rest of scales.  If that works I'll end up with some nice HAIII black scales with red inner shields and that should look pretty cool.   :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on March 08, 2014, 04:45:55 PM
Make sure to conserve the silver outline of the shield as well.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 08, 2014, 04:52:02 PM
Make sure to conserve the silver outline of the shield as well.

I was going to try.  I dont know how precisely I can apply the nail polish, but I do have a large magnifier for electronics work.

The stripper I got is phosphoric and chromic acid mix.  They use it heated but I was going to try it room temp.  It should work still but slower.  We'll see.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Heywood Floyd on March 09, 2014, 12:26:11 AM
Cutting or stamping a template on paper or tape may assist in more precise and speedy application of nail lacquer onto the shield prior to stripping. :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on March 11, 2014, 04:56:12 PM
Why is orange so popular? Never mind I know now. :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 11, 2014, 05:07:16 PM
Why is orange so popular? Never mind I know now. :drool:

Well my wife is Dutch, so orange is popular in my house.  :D

Orange and black look nice together.  I think black tools and hard anodized scales in orange would be sweet.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on March 11, 2014, 07:05:14 PM
Why is orange so popular? Never mind I know now. :drool:

Well my wife is Dutch, so orange is popular in my house.  :D

Orange and black look nice together.  I think black tools and hard anodized scales in orange would be sweet.
Well, that explains it for you, me (my much prettier half is also from the Netherlands) and everybody from down there but not for everybody else. Though I sense a global conspiracy in this... :P
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on March 11, 2014, 07:30:53 PM
Why is orange so popular? Never mind I know now. :drool:

Well my wife is Dutch, so orange is popular in my house.  :D

Orange and black look nice together.  I think black tools and hard anodized scales in orange would be sweet.
Well, that explains it for you, me (my much prettier half is also from the Netherlands) and everybody from down there but not for everybody else. Though I sense a global conspiracy in this... :P

I think I have a thread around here ... something along the lines "I hate orange (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=42569.0)!" :whistle:

 :P


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 11, 2014, 07:57:28 PM
Why is orange so popular? Never mind I know now. :drool:

Well my wife is Dutch, so orange is popular in my house.  :D

Orange and black look nice together.  I think black tools and hard anodized scales in orange would be sweet.
Well, that explains it for you, me (my much prettier half is also from the Netherlands) and everybody from down there but not for everybody else. Though I sense a global conspiracy in this... :P

I think I have a thread around here ... something along the lines "I hate orange (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=42569.0)!" :whistle:

 :P

To be fair males have less color receptors in the eye, so maybe what you see isnt real orange! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on March 11, 2014, 08:32:22 PM
Just my 2 USD cents but orange and yellow are my favorite colours.  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on March 11, 2014, 08:40:33 PM
Cool, my wife is Dutch too :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 11, 2014, 08:55:17 PM
Cool, my wife is Dutch too :D

Probably lots to pick from where you live. :D  Less common here but they can be found! :D  Her family name is Vens.  Know any over there?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on March 11, 2014, 08:58:17 PM
Cool, my wife is Dutch too :D

Probably lots to pick from where you live. :D  Less common here but they can be found! :D  Her family name is Vens.  Know any over there?

Maybe I should try to find one of those Dutch wives too. :think: Maybe my views would change then. :shrug:

You guys with personal experience with those models, do you recommend it? >:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on March 13, 2014, 09:41:22 AM
We have a song in the US:

I am a pretty little Dutch girl
As pretty as pretty can be
All the boys on MTO are crazy after me, me, me!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 13, 2014, 11:35:22 PM
My springs are done heat treat! :D

Just got back with them and the hardness is perfect, and they should be just right.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/V2/IMG_3389.jpg)

Now to speed up the finishing process this time Im going to invest in a tumbling machine.

I could just get the small bowl vibratory tumbler that would be fine for small parts, OR, go nuts and get the big daddy that would do any tumbling I ever need including larger blades.   This one comes highly recommended by the other blade makers I chat with.

(http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/2000x2000/365/365402_2000x2000.jpg)

Oh, I chatted up the local heat treat guy about DLC some more.  He thinks he can do a lower temp DLC application (to not damage the temper) so Im going to drop off some of the 91mm spare parts I have as a test run.  If that works I'll do a massive batch.  The normal temp he runs is 400C and that would damage the temper of the SAK parts.

Teletin is also kind enough to run some DLC parts for me as well for a trade and I'll have those to compare my experimental ones too.  :D

I want a Ti urban pioneer with DLC tools and springs so bad... :D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on March 14, 2014, 12:11:08 AM
Once you get the sauce correct, sounds like you need to hire a couple of assistants from the local VoTech, scout troop, church youth group or art school. Time to get rockin!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 14, 2014, 01:08:21 AM
Could always put them in a dryer! :rofl: looking good Syph :tu: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on March 14, 2014, 01:29:26 AM
wow!! its getting serious now. awesome.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Serena on March 16, 2014, 09:44:20 AM
Since your wife is Dutch, do you also ship to the Netherlands?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 16, 2014, 02:57:50 PM
Since your wife is Dutch, do you also ship to the Netherlands?

Ive sent many there! :D

I've shipped to countries all over the world, even the ones people say not to ship to, and so far no problems.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on March 16, 2014, 08:11:06 PM
Many? I always thought I owned the only two Syph007 custom SAKs in the country :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 16, 2014, 08:14:53 PM
Many? I always thought I owned the only two Syph007 custom SAKs in the country :ahhh

Nope!  By my reckoning there are at least 10 in your country.  :D

For overseas orders Germany is close to number 1 for me, then Britain, and The Netherlands.   

Its about an even split for orders going the US and the rest of the world.  Maybe 5 or so in my own country.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Serena on March 16, 2014, 08:19:54 PM
Hmmmmm, that's interesting… Maybe gonna think it over. Interested in the one with usb you're making right now.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 17, 2014, 08:57:27 PM
Finally a custom with orange! :D

This one also has one of the Ver 2.0 backsprings and Im very please to saw that they work excellent, and most importanly the tweaks I made to the inner profile made finishing them much easier.

Ive also got a new sanding / buffing machine white made finishing the back springs much faster.  I think I should be able to pump out the standard mod configurations faster now.

Oh and this configuration I love.  For me the ultimate urban carry.  Metal saw instead of wood saw, scissors and phillips added to a farmer.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3462.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3464.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3469.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3474.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3481.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3499.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3505.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on March 17, 2014, 09:03:42 PM
Finally a custom with orange! :D

This one also has one of the Ver 2.0 backsprings and Im very please to saw that they work excellent, and most importanly the tweaks I made to the inner profile made finishing them much easier.

Ive also got a new sanding / buffing machine white made finishing the back springs much faster.  I think I should be able to pump out the standard mod configurations faster now.

Oh and this configuration I love.  For me the ultimate urban carry.  Metal saw instead of wood saw, scissors and phillips added to a farmer.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3462.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3464.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3469.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3474.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3481.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3499.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3505.jpg)
That's nice and thick.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: 875fps on March 17, 2014, 09:54:56 PM
Hey man ... had to register so I could post on your thread.  Man you do some absolutely gorgeous work!

I'm extremely interested in modding a few SAKs of my own and there is a TON of useful information here.  I'm only on page 23 and can't wait to have time to finish the rest of it.

From what I'm seeing, it would be cheaper in the long run for me to source some brass liners instead of using the stock ones so that I can make tools of different widths without having to spend a ton to rob liners out of other knives.

For your scissor backsprings, what steel are you using?  Did I read correctly that you use 440?  Is that A, B, or C?  I think I found a company that will waterjet them for me, I just need to come up with a template for them.  I'm still looking for an anodizer so I can put some color in my work!

From what I can tell, the best way to put scissors in a 93mm is to get a Solo and do some modding to the blade's backspring?  I haven't seen exactly what needs to be done to it yet.  Can anyone provide a little help on that?  I would love to be able to put my Farmer back in my pocket with scissors instead of a saw.  It's in a million pieces right now waiting to be put back together.  :)  I have a very limited amount of pivots so I want it to be perfect before I start cutting on them!

I have almost everything I need from knifekits.  I forgot to add washers to my cart, but after going back and looking it doesn't look like they have any 1/8th ones anyway.  I've already taken apart 4 Pioneers and drilled 1/8" pivot holes in them along with a Farmer, and an Explorer (only to find out the Explorer with the gray mag has the longer inline Phillips!!).  From what I'm reading you guys extend the pivot barrels into the actual scales.  I need to look into doing that.  Right now all I've done to my practice SAK is to countersink the middle hole so the torx screw sits flush.

The final part is just acquiring the Alox knives.  I can get Farmers on Amazon for $30.  Is there a local MT guy that sells them cheaper?  I would love to support a local guy if I can.

I love getting my hands dirty and for whatever reason working with these SAKs is very soothing.

Thanks for all the crazy information you're laying on us Syph!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 18, 2014, 12:04:52 AM
Another :tu: Syph! Great job! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on March 18, 2014, 03:14:48 AM
That's a really good one Syph :tu:  Love the metal saw instead of the wood saw.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on March 18, 2014, 10:10:44 AM
:drool: gorgeous

Nice work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bmot on March 18, 2014, 01:06:18 PM
Many? I always thought I owned the only two Syph007 custom SAKs in the country :ahhh


 :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: 


(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=119653;image)



Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on March 18, 2014, 02:33:26 PM
Nice. If I'm not mistaken that's just the cap lifter and Phillips, no can opener. Don't think I've seen pics of that mod before.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 18, 2014, 03:31:30 PM
Nice. If I'm not mistaken that's just the cap lifter and Phillips, no can opener. Don't think I've seen pics of that mod before.

Yup Ive done a couple like that and its a nice option to keep it as slim as possible, but to keep a phillips.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bmot on March 18, 2014, 03:50:24 PM
Nice. If I'm not mistaken that's just the cap lifter and Phillips, no can opener. Don't think I've seen pics of that mod before.

Yup Ive done a couple like that and its a nice option to keep it as slim as possible, but to keep a phillips.


That, and it makes it possible for the screwdrivers to be in the middle :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 18, 2014, 06:25:56 PM
Nice. If I'm not mistaken that's just the cap lifter and Phillips, no can opener. Don't think I've seen pics of that mod before.

Yup Ive done a couple like that and its a nice option to keep it as slim as possible, but to keep a phillips.


That, and it makes it possible for the screwdrivers to be in the middle :)

Right! That was a benefit, and also the phillips driver doesnt hit the scale and chip it!

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on March 18, 2014, 08:54:23 PM
Many? I always thought I owned the only two Syph007 custom SAKs in the country :ahhh


 :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: 


(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=119653;image)

Cool! I wasn't serious by the way.

Did you leave your SAK stuck in that tree? If so, tell me where it is so I can pick it up :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 19, 2014, 12:23:24 AM
Hey man ... had to register so I could post on your thread.  Man you do some absolutely gorgeous work!

I'm extremely interested in modding a few SAKs of my own and there is a TON of useful information here.  I'm only on page 23 and can't wait to have time to finish the rest of it.

From what I'm seeing, it would be cheaper in the long run for me to source some brass liners instead of using the stock ones so that I can make tools of different widths without having to spend a ton to rob liners out of other knives.

For your scissor backsprings, what steel are you using?  Did I read correctly that you use 440?  Is that A, B, or C?  I think I found a company that will waterjet them for me, I just need to come up with a template for them.  I'm still looking for an anodizer so I can put some color in my work!

From what I can tell, the best way to put scissors in a 93mm is to get a Solo and do some modding to the blade's backspring?  I haven't seen exactly what needs to be done to it yet.  Can anyone provide a little help on that?  I would love to be able to put my Farmer back in my pocket with scissors instead of a saw.  It's in a million pieces right now waiting to be put back together.  :)  I have a very limited amount of pivots so I want it to be perfect before I start cutting on them!

I have almost everything I need from knifekits.  I forgot to add washers to my cart, but after going back and looking it doesn't look like they have any 1/8th ones anyway.  I've already taken apart 4 Pioneers and drilled 1/8" pivot holes in them along with a Farmer, and an Explorer (only to find out the Explorer with the gray mag has the longer inline Phillips!!).  From what I'm reading you guys extend the pivot barrels into the actual scales.  I need to look into doing that.  Right now all I've done to my practice SAK is to countersink the middle hole so the torx screw sits flush.

The final part is just acquiring the Alox knives.  I can get Farmers on Amazon for $30.  Is there a local MT guy that sells them cheaper?  I would love to support a local guy if I can.

I love getting my hands dirty and for whatever reason working with these SAKs is very soothing.

Thanks for all the crazy information you're laying on us Syph!!

Hey there.  :D  Well you did have to register on THE best forum for SAK enthusiasts if you are that interested in SAKs and modding this is the place to be!

If you need a few extra stock alox liners to avoid cannibalizing new alox for liners I can help you out there.  I have quite a few spares and I probably only use stock liners for half my builds.

I dont think knifekits carries 1/8" washers, but usaknifemaker does.  Ive also bought msc things from texasknife and knifemaking.com (jantz) 

I make my own washers now from shim stock since I need smaller OD ones then any place sells anyhow.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 19, 2014, 06:36:22 PM
I'm stripping 90 scales today, so I set out to test that new anodize remover (the commercial grade stuff) I got in last week.  Its a chromic and phosphoric acid blend.  Well Im glad I only tested it on one scale.  It did a garbage job, took forever and didnt even take off all the anodize. 

Soooo forget that and $60 wasted.  Im going back to Straight 30% NaOH solution with my secret catalyst.  I can strip scales in about 30 seconds if I keep the solution hot.  Yes sure its more dangerous.. but results are more important!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on March 19, 2014, 07:00:48 PM
Finally a custom with orange! :D

This one also has one of the Ver 2.0 backsprings and Im very please to saw that they work excellent, and most importanly the tweaks I made to the inner profile made finishing them much easier.

Ive also got a new sanding / buffing machine white made finishing the back springs much faster.  I think I should be able to pump out the standard mod configurations faster now.

Oh and this configuration I love.  For me the ultimate urban carry.  Metal saw instead of wood saw, scissors and phillips added to a farmer.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3462.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3464.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3469.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3474.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3481.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3499.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom230/IMG_3505.jpg)

:drool: That is my perfect tool load out and that colour is :drool:.
I want one bad now. PM incoming!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on March 19, 2014, 07:53:35 PM
It's the same color as my car so I need one too!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 23, 2014, 03:59:05 PM
I've been straining my brain to get some progress on my website www.sakmodder.com (http://www.sakmodder.com)

It's getting there.  I figured out how to get the popup image things to work.  Im now trying to organize all my customs by size and type and list everything on there for people to browse through.

Luckily irfanview has some great bulk image processing modes to add watermarks etc so I think I can get it to work without too much pain.

If I can figure out how, I really want to have some sort of SAK config wizard to help people figure out what is possible in a custom.  I used to do web work for a living but that was over 8 yrs ago so alot has changed since then and Im pretty rusty.

I put a link to Gamble's kickstarter campaign there since he did a nice photoshoot with one of my Ti minichamps.

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/001/781/953/181c42122057531072528ba6f740a065_large.jpg?1395451901)

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/872996112/the-mini-d-a-modular-dangler
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 30, 2014, 03:17:14 AM
Im working on prepping another batch of scales for hard anodize.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_3646.jpg)

I tried to show in this picture how the stock scales look compared to the final anodize.

If you've ever inspected the inner edge of an alox model they are quite rough.  You can kind of see what I mean on the far left pic.  After I strip them down the jagged edge is very apparent. I sand and buff them so they are nice and shiny smooth, and then when anodized no rough edges.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_3663.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Jetbo on March 30, 2014, 04:20:10 PM
Im working on prepping another batch of scales for hard anodize.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_3646.jpg)


I like the look of the naked scales what nasty chemicals did you use dip them in to remove the paint?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on March 30, 2014, 11:20:43 PM
I like the look of the naked scales as well. I wonder how it would look if you polished the smurf out of a pair.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 31, 2014, 02:45:11 AM


I like the look of the naked scales what nasty chemicals did you use dip them in to remove the paint?

Heated 30% NaOH solution with an agitator.  Its not the kind of thing you want to do indoors, this is backyard chemistry only.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 01, 2014, 09:39:49 PM
I had another request for a serrated 93 today.  I got the serrations pretty even and Im happy with that.  I used just a simple tool rest to hold the dremel at constant angle, and clamped the blade down.  After the initial cuts I used a sharpening belt on my belt grinder and it turned out nice and sharp.

I tested on a bundle of 10 pieced of paracord and it cut though no problem in one swipe with clean cuts.  I think I could cut much more if needed.

So here is a 93mm serrated voyageur.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom235/IMG_3705.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom235/IMG_3716.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom235/IMG_3722.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom235/IMG_3738.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom235/IMG_3745.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom235/IMG_3751.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom235/IMG_3754.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom235/IMG_3774.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom235/IMG_3787.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: 35Studio on April 01, 2014, 09:50:40 PM
I had another request for a serrated 93 today.  I got the serrations pretty even and Im happy with that.  I used just a simple tool rest to hold the dremel at constant angle, and clamped the blade down.  After the initial cuts I used a sharpening belt on my belt grinder and it turned out nice and sharp.

I tested on a bundle of 10 pieced of paracord and it cut though no problem in one swipe with clean cuts.  I think I could cut much more if needed.

So here is a 93mm serrated voyageur.  :D

This one was for me  :D .  Thanks again for this !! It looks amazing!  Cant wait for it to arrive.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 01, 2014, 10:14:30 PM
I had another request for a serrated 93 today.  I got the serrations pretty even and Im happy with that.  I used just a simple tool rest to hold the dremel at constant angle, and clamped the blade down.  After the initial cuts I used a sharpening belt on my belt grinder and it turned out nice and sharp.

I tested on a bundle of 10 pieced of paracord and it cut though no problem in one swipe with clean cuts.  I think I could cut much more if needed.

So here is a 93mm serrated voyageur.  :D

This one was for me  :D .  Thanks again for this !! It looks amazing!  Cant wait for it to arrive.

Enjoy your custom :cheers:  Syph does excellent work, and the serrations look great :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stealth007s on April 02, 2014, 05:50:14 AM
Nice job on the scalloping Robert :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 02, 2014, 01:15:50 PM
That serration looks great, well so does the rest of the knife like always, but good job on the serration! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: spyghost on April 03, 2014, 07:22:41 AM
any updates here on the cybertool 34 mod?

i'm owning this model of sak and looking at rebuilding it.  my tool has gone a long way and deserves some fine restoration
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 03, 2014, 02:39:57 PM
any updates here on the cybertool 34 mod?

i'm owning this model of sak and looking at rebuilding it.  my tool has gone a long way and deserves some fine restoration

Doing a CT is for sure on the list, but thats a harder mod for sure.  I can make alox scales that will work but that plastic bit holder would drive me nuts if I left it on an alox conversion.  I think it would best to be remade in aluminum and clear hard anodized.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on April 03, 2014, 06:28:17 PM
A brass bit holder with brass scales and liners. Set small bit drive magnets in the holes. Circuit board engraving on the scales. That would be an interesting CT
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 09, 2014, 10:03:13 PM
Here is something a bit different for today.  A 4 layer bladeless mod.  If I was to carry a bladeless SAK as a companion to a dedicated folder, this would be it. All the essentials are here.

It took me 5 tries to fit the tools on there though an have each tool be accessible and not block a nail nick.  I've very happy with how it turned out though.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom239/IMG_3946.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom239/IMG_3959.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom239/IMG_3962.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom239/IMG_3963.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom239/IMG_3968.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom239/IMG_3976.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom239/IMG_3990.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 09, 2014, 10:06:14 PM
That's really cool Syph :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 09, 2014, 10:13:25 PM
Holy tank! Nice one Syph! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: neillcurrie on April 11, 2014, 04:42:22 PM
Syph007
Wondering why you used two springs under the Pliers? Why not just use the spring the pliers originally come with?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 11, 2014, 06:01:32 PM
Syph007
Wondering why you used two springs under the Pliers? Why not just use the spring the pliers originally come with?

Those are for the 91mm saks.  They dont work on 93mm alox.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: neillcurrie on April 11, 2014, 06:38:24 PM
Syph007
Wondering why you used two springs under the Pliers? Why not just use the spring the pliers originally come with?

Those are for the 91mm saks.  They dont work on 93mm alox.

There must be something I am missing then.
The spring from a backtool-less (pre-92 ??) scissors fits the chassis from an Alox 93mm perfectly after drilling the holes to the correct Alox sizes. I also just lined up springs from 91mm saw and file blades too (also backtool-less), and it also seems like all I'd need to do is increase the hole sizes.
So is there something specific and peculiar about the backtool-less Plier spring that makes it impossible to use similarly?? I don't have a Plier layer to check against.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 11, 2014, 10:16:59 PM
You can get away with using it functionally, but its too short so it will look pretty odd.  Theres a thread on here somewhere with pics of what it looks like. Big space at the end.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 11, 2014, 10:22:14 PM
Here'e the thread that explains exactly.

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,29175.0.html

Pic from that thread. See the big gap a the end.

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk215/harryfeet/IMG_1419.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: neillcurrie on April 11, 2014, 10:52:41 PM
Everything's now clearer!!
Many thanks
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on April 12, 2014, 11:27:59 PM
Since getting my first Cadet a few weeks ago I've come to really like the clean lines of the Alox knives.  Now I've got a couple of Pioneers on the way too I've just read this thread from the beginning (re-read, actually) and can't wait to get stuck in to some Alox mods.  Really appreciate the work you've put in documenting your work over the last couple of years.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 12, 2014, 11:47:09 PM
Since getting my first Cadet a few weeks ago I've come to really like the clean lines of the Alox knives.  Now I've got a couple of Pioneers on the way too I've just read this thread from the beginning (re-read, actually) and can't wait to get stuck in to some Alox mods.  Really appreciate the work you've put in documenting your work over the last couple of years.  :tu:

Thanks! Ya its been a fun couple of years and I haven't gotten tired of it yet.  There are still plenty of cool things to try.  I love alox knives!  I did decide to focus though on the 93mm pioneer frame.  I can fit just about any tool on there, the springs are nice and symmetrical too.  I finished up all 84mm size mods now and I wont be doing any more of those anytime soon.  If I ever get back into that size I will be making up custom backsprings for scissors additions.  I strongly prefer the pioneer to the cadet though for overall feel and function.

I was just looking over how many donor knives Ive bought since I started and its a bit nutty.  Over 300 pioneer/farmer SAKs and about 400 msc cellidor.  Mostly compacts/swisschamps/explorers to get the good parts.  Oh how I wish I had a friend at the Vic headquarters! :D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: 875fps on April 14, 2014, 10:32:23 PM
Hey man ... had to register so I could post on your thread.  Man you do some absolutely gorgeous work!

I'm extremely interested in modding a few SAKs of my own and there is a TON of useful information here.  I'm only on page 23 and can't wait to have time to finish the rest of it.

From what I'm seeing, it would be cheaper in the long run for me to source some brass liners instead of using the stock ones so that I can make tools of different widths without having to spend a ton to rob liners out of other knives.

For your scissor backsprings, what steel are you using?  Did I read correctly that you use 440?  Is that A, B, or C?  I think I found a company that will waterjet them for me, I just need to come up with a template for them.  I'm still looking for an anodizer so I can put some color in my work!

From what I can tell, the best way to put scissors in a 93mm is to get a Solo and do some modding to the blade's backspring?  I haven't seen exactly what needs to be done to it yet.  Can anyone provide a little help on that?  I would love to be able to put my Farmer back in my pocket with scissors instead of a saw.  It's in a million pieces right now waiting to be put back together.  :)  I have a very limited amount of pivots so I want it to be perfect before I start cutting on them!

I have almost everything I need from knifekits.  I forgot to add washers to my cart, but after going back and looking it doesn't look like they have any 1/8th ones anyway.  I've already taken apart 4 Pioneers and drilled 1/8" pivot holes in them along with a Farmer, and an Explorer (only to find out the Explorer with the gray mag has the longer inline Phillips!!).  From what I'm reading you guys extend the pivot barrels into the actual scales.  I need to look into doing that.  Right now all I've done to my practice SAK is to countersink the middle hole so the torx screw sits flush.

The final part is just acquiring the Alox knives.  I can get Farmers on Amazon for $30.  Is there a local MT guy that sells them cheaper?  I would love to support a local guy if I can.

I love getting my hands dirty and for whatever reason working with these SAKs is very soothing.

Thanks for all the crazy information you're laying on us Syph!!

Hey there.  :D  Well you did have to register on THE best forum for SAK enthusiasts if you are that interested in SAKs and modding this is the place to be!

If you need a few extra stock alox liners to avoid cannibalizing new alox for liners I can help you out there.  I have quite a few spares and I probably only use stock liners for half my builds.

I dont think knifekits carries 1/8" washers, but usaknifemaker does.  Ive also bought msc things from texasknife and knifemaking.com (jantz) 

I make my own washers now from shim stock since I need smaller OD ones then any place sells anyhow.  :D

Thanks and sorry for the really late reply ... life with 3 very active kids gets very chaotic at times.

So after I posted this I was able to add scissors to my Farmer by using a backspring from an 91mm with the hook.   Yes, there's the cavity in it but, personally, I don't think it looks any worse than the shorter 91mm without the hook, and there's 100% less work involved.  It's certainly not pretty but it's my personal one and it's a user and I actually like the Frankenstein look to it.

I think I'm going to be limited on making my own liners and modding backsprings until I get a belt sander, which won't be any time soon so I'm going to stick to bare minimal mods using the stock liners.

I was able to score an Explorer with the shorter Phillips but I haven't been able to take the time to see what all it's going to take to get it added.  I think I want to replace the can opener with it so I need to get them all measured to see what washers I need, if any.

I love looking at your pictures, man!  You do some beautiful, beautiful work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 16, 2014, 05:11:41 PM
I dont think Ive done this specific configuration before.  A cross between a lumberjack and a scientist.   :tu:

I love oranage!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on April 16, 2014, 05:12:55 PM
I'm not a fan of the combo tool, but I wouldn't kick it out of my pocket.  ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 16, 2014, 05:17:31 PM
I'm not a fan of the combo tool, but I wouldn't kick it out of my pocket.  ;)

LOL I feel the same way actually.  I prefer the standard openers since they are thicker, but sometimes the combo tool has its place.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Random Dan on April 16, 2014, 05:21:34 PM
I like the separate openers for the added prying/screwdriving capabilities. Plus I like having the awl.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on April 16, 2014, 05:29:21 PM
I'm not a fan of the combo tool, but I wouldn't kick it out of my pocket.  ;)

LOL I feel the same way actually.  I prefer the standard openers since they are thicker, but sometimes the combo tool has its place.

Most definitely.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on April 16, 2014, 11:28:54 PM
I'd love that combination without the magnifier. Never had the need for it. Wish Vic would do a combination wrench or find some other tool. Could you have the combo opener blade side and the awl in place of the mag.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Random Dan on April 17, 2014, 01:52:29 AM
I'd love that combination without the magnifier. Never had the need for it. Wish Vic would do a combination wrench or find some other tool. Could you have the combo opener blade side and the awl in place of the mag.
I know he does them with the separate can opener and bottle opener both across from the phillips. That's how I'd go.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on April 17, 2014, 03:27:41 AM
That's one of the four mods I've had Robert do. Just got two back and looking at another. Isn't the first step admitting you have a problem.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on April 17, 2014, 03:38:02 AM
Robert, I saw a picture on line of a marlin spike mod. Not sure if it was one of yours or not. Marlin spike, main blade, saw, combo tool and awl. Combo and awl looked like same layer. Awl was opened to the same side as the blade. Have you done one like that? I'd like to have some thing like that but don't really care for the spike. Thought maybe scissors or a metal saw/file instead.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Random Dan on April 17, 2014, 03:57:32 AM
That's one of the four mods I've had Robert do. Just got two back and looking at another. Isn't the first step admitting you have a problem.
Four?  :o
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 17, 2014, 04:03:08 AM
Robert, I saw a picture on line of a marlin spike mod. Not sure if it was one of yours or not. Marlin spike, main blade, saw, combo tool and awl. Combo and awl looked like same layer. Awl was opened to the same side as the blade. Have you done one like that? I'd like to have some thing like that but don't really care for the spike. Thought maybe scissors or a metal saw/file instead.

I did put the awl and the cap lifter in a layer once. I had to bend the caplifter to get it to fit though so I dont think it was the best way to do it.  The awl is longer than it looks, longer than the can opener which is the problem.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on April 17, 2014, 05:07:20 AM
Way back near the beginning of this thread he added scissors and a pocket clip to a black Pioneer. Then I had him remove the opener layer from a +B fire steel Farmer and add red anodized scales. Just sent the Pioneer back for a new mod. The clip didn't work out. So I had an opener layer mod done with orange scales and black liners. The donor knife for the Phillips was a Yeoman  that I had him add a saw to for a Huntsman slim+. Got a few more in mind.
   
That's one of the four mods I've had Robert do. Just got two back and looking at another. Isn't the first step admitting you have a problem.
Four?  :o
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 17, 2014, 08:59:44 PM
Take a wild guess what is the least loved and least requested SAK component for mods.....


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(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=121384;image)

So I have to wonder ... has anyone ever scaled a fish with the fishscaler?


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on April 17, 2014, 09:30:49 PM
I'd love an orange mod with 17 fish scalers :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kkokkolis on April 17, 2014, 09:55:04 PM
I tried it once, perhaps 15 years ago, just to see how it's done. Geeky, I know. I wouldn't do it again but the hook remover proved useful many times.
The fish scaler is also a human scaler. A safe scratching device, although the form prevents it from working everywhere. But it might be able to be modified to a serrated blade with some sharpening. I don't know.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on April 17, 2014, 11:57:29 PM
I used the fishscaler on my old Wenger back in the day when it was my only SAK and IT still had ITS original scales on it. (see what I did there?)

Used to work okay on smaller fish, but was too short to do anything decent.

The gob-stick (hook disgorger) was more use, but again was a bit small for bigger fish.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on April 18, 2014, 12:28:17 AM
No surprise there, but it works as ruler too, right? maybe think of main use as ruler.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 18, 2014, 12:39:51 AM
No surprise there, but it works as ruler too, right? maybe think of main use as ruler.

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Ya it just doesnt feel though that the tool 'fits' in a modern day SAK.  If it were up to me Id remake the 'ruler' tool, with a single prong on the end and an eye, so basically a straight backed sacking needle with ruler markings.  That I would find much more use for.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 18, 2014, 12:47:57 AM
I'd love an orange mod with 17 fish scalers :)

Actually I have 3 more from knives that came apart today so I can make it an ever 20.  Ive used 2 in mods before and sold 2 to another modder so I guess that makes a total of 24 swisschamps Ive disassembled so far.   :whistle:   IVe taken apart more compacts and explorers though.

I did try to make one into a sacking needle but after grinding off the humps, making it pointed and a hole, it was too thin and fragile to be much use.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 18, 2014, 03:29:03 AM
I finally had enough of hand finishing my custom springs, so I did some research and blew 300 on a heavy duty vibratory tumbler and some ceramic media.  Time to experiment and figure out how to make parts look nice.  I know I need burnishing fluid and water to drip in the top at a slow rate, and the tumbler has a drain, so I'll have to rig up some bucket and value system.

(http://cdn3.volusion.com/snyug.qyton/v/vspfiles/photos/852-0720-2.jpg)

I was going to get the big floor mounted monster but it was 800 and well its for bigger parts than I make.  Part of me thought get it so you can do bigger parts too, but I couldnt spend that much, so the small bowl one will have to do. 

(http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/700x700/365/365402_700x700.jpg)

There are also cheaper bowl tumblers, but the vibration was not ajustable, and it also said the bowls could not be used with ceramic media.  I guess they would eat through it maybe...

Anyway hopefully this works out.   :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on April 18, 2014, 03:58:16 AM
You should make up a couple of two layer knives using "leftovers" from the 91mm donors.
Just a main blade on a scissor spring and the scaler.

When you get the CNC running you could make up scales without the corkscrew cutout, get then done in HAIII or Cerekote and sell them as a Fishermans knife.

Just a blade, Hook and Scaler.

The hook might actually be quite useful in that setting.

Jump on some fishing forums and show them off. Who knows, might get some coin for a bunch of "useless" parts.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 18, 2014, 04:16:15 AM
You should make up a couple of two layer knives using "leftovers" from the 91mm donors.
Just a main blade on a scissor spring and the scaler.

When you get the CNC running you could make up scales without the corkscrew cutout, get then done in HAIII or Cerekote and sell them as a Fishermans knife.

Just a blade, Hook and Scaler.

The hook might actually be quite useful in that setting.

Jump on some fishing forums and show them off. Who knows, might get some coin for a bunch of "useless" parts.

I like the idea!

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on April 19, 2014, 12:57:32 AM
I have nothing against the fish scaler but I don't require it either. Same goes for the mag glass. I like it just fine but don't miss it or the scaler in my CT41.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on April 22, 2014, 11:16:26 AM
When you get the CNC running you could make up scales without the corkscrew cutout, get then done in HAIII or Cerekote ...

I've been thinking about this too.  I don't like the way the corkscrew sticks out when you put thin scales on a 91mm knife - so I think I'm going to see what I can replace it with.  Got an idea for a knife with philips opposite dual openers and four back tools - awl, chisel, hook and fine driver.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 22, 2014, 10:33:48 PM
In an effort to speed up the custom build process I decided to drill out and prep a few hundred parts so they are ready to go.  These have all been drilled out to 1/8 inch, and had the inner edges polished so they move nice and smooth on the pivots.  I went through a few carbide bits in the process but hopefully it will save some time.  Next I need to prep some scissors springs en masse, but I am waiting for the vibratory tumbler to arrive for that.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_4131.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_4127.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on April 22, 2014, 11:27:12 PM
No fish scalers? :think:


:P
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 22, 2014, 11:51:23 PM
No fish scalers? :think:


:P

LOL.  Its not to late to add one to yours! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on April 22, 2014, 11:54:04 PM
No fish scalers? :think:


:P

LOL.  Its not to late to add one to yours! :D

I think I'll pass. ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ducttapetech on April 22, 2014, 11:59:51 PM
That's because he want 5 on his.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on April 23, 2014, 08:51:10 AM
How about grinding the Fishscaler into a rescue blade (keeping the blunt tip)?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: twiliter on April 24, 2014, 03:28:40 PM
How about grinding the Fishscaler into a rescue blade (keeping the blunt tip)?

That's an excellent idea! Or even a fillet blade, losing the tip.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 25, 2014, 01:08:23 AM
Ive been out of green for about 5 months and black is now surpassed red for popularity, so I did a bigger run of black this time.  Now blue and red are next.  I've been trying to keep on top of the situation and have colors run before I run out, but then its rather costly to have that much parts inventory, since Ideally Id love 20 sets of saks in each of the 5 colors, but thats 100 alox worth of parts! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_4250.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_4245.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_4242.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Dr Gonzo on April 25, 2014, 01:53:11 AM
Ive been out of green for about 5 months and black is now surpassed red for popularity, so I did a bigger run of black this time.  Now blue and red are next.  I've been trying to keep on top of the situation and have colors run before I run out, but then its rather costly to have that much parts inventory, since Ideally Id love 20 sets of saks in each of the 5 colors, but thats 100 alox worth of parts! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_4250.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_4245.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Hard%20Anodize/IMG_4242.jpg)

WOW :o
I'm liking the green :tu:
Love your work...you've come up with a great way of putting them together to save the peening ;)
Now if only I could save up enough for an Electrician Plus Deluxe :drool: 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 29, 2014, 09:18:33 PM
So... I was running low on black alox liners for all black type mods.  I made these by cutting them out of aluminum with a jewelers saw and it was a painfully laborious process which I havent been too anxious to repeat. 

So... I'm trying a new option to get black liners and make use of parts I have.  Since I have taken apart alot of alox SAKs and used custom liners on alot of builds, I ended up with quite a stock pile of stock nickel silver liners.  Now I cant anodize those, but I can cerakote them black.  This means I can get some more black liners that are already guaranteed to be the correct size since they are stock original, and I get to make use of a pile of parts.

I got a great quote for a batch of 50 liners coated in armor black, so I prepped these over the last couple of days.  Holes were drilled out and polished, and I edge sanded all of them to provide a nice true surface.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Liner%20Making/IMG_4341.jpg)

And since I need that little black spacer to be black too for my all blackout builds, I just went ahead and hand rivetted them to 20 of the liners so they will be ready to go.  Ive been doing this for all custom builds that have special colored liners, or ones I make from brass.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Liner%20Making/IMG_4346.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Liner%20Making/IMG_4347.jpg)

Now to pack them up and patiently wait.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 01, 2014, 02:36:10 PM
I finally had enough of hand finishing my custom springs, so I did some research and blew 300 on a heavy duty vibratory tumbler and some ceramic media.  Time to experiment and figure out how to make parts look nice.  I know I need burnishing fluid and water to drip in the top at a slow rate, and the tumbler has a drain, so I'll have to rig up some bucket and value system.

(http://cdn3.volusion.com/snyug.qyton/v/vspfiles/photos/852-0720-2.jpg)


My vibratory tumbler was backordered  ??? ... BUT.. its now on truck out for delivery!  OH how I hope this makes parts finishing faster.  The longest task in my current mod process is finishing the springs.   It take me about an hour by hand to turn a heat treated spring covered in scale, so a shiny nice spring ready to use.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom%20Springs/IMG_3800_zps46e1ee4b.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on May 01, 2014, 03:15:01 PM
Nice!
It will be interesting to see how much time it will save you, hopefully a lot.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on May 01, 2014, 04:33:14 PM
Nice!
It will be interesting to see how much time it will save you, hopefully a lot.

Agreed. That seems like a lot of time could be saved that way. Hope it works to your satisfaction. :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 01, 2014, 07:22:14 PM
:D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_4356.jpg)

Now to experment... there are lots of variables.

- drip rate of burnishing liquid
- tumble time
- media type (although i only have ceramic type right now)
- media shape

I want to get some of the little pyramid type too, but this place didnt have any.  They also sell the bowls separately, I assume so once you know what you need, you have one bowl for each media type you use.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 01, 2014, 10:19:44 PM
Have fun Syph! :D JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 03, 2014, 05:08:44 PM
Just wanted to mention that I finally got all my custom examples pics up in my site gallery. 

http://sakmodder.com/gallery_93mm_alox_1.shtml

This has been an easier way for people to browse and refer to specific models, than sifting through either my photobucket or my massive build thread here.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on May 03, 2014, 05:12:32 PM
Just wanted to mention that I finally got all my custom examples pics up in my site gallery. 

http://sakmodder.com/gallery_93mm_alox_1.shtml

This has been an easier way for people to browse and refer to specific models, than sifting through either my photobucket or my massive build thread here.
Great representation of your fine work Sir. Some wonderful photos there :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 03, 2014, 05:30:13 PM
Just wanted to mention that I finally got all my custom examples pics up in my site gallery. 

http://sakmodder.com/gallery_93mm_alox_1.shtml

This has been an easier way for people to browse and refer to specific models, than sifting through either my photobucket or my massive build thread here.
Great representation of your fine work Sir. Some wonderful photos there :tu:

It took me a ridiculously long time to get all those pics organized.  But Ive also been on 3yr old watching duty since my wife is working full time now.  So when I cant be in the shop, I was forcing myself to work away at that.  Id much rather be out grinding, cutting and polishing metal though than doing computer work.  I dont have too much left to do on it now, just post of common build configurations and options.

Then if I want to re-learn javascript I want to make a design you own SAK tool and submit for quote.  That would streamline the process too.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Dexter on May 03, 2014, 06:31:12 PM
Just wanted to mention that I finally got all my custom examples pics up in my site gallery. 

http://sakmodder.com/gallery_93mm_alox_1.shtml

This has been an easier way for people to browse and refer to specific models, than sifting through either my photobucket or my massive build thread here.

Very nice...  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 03, 2014, 07:00:29 PM
Interestingly the number of hits to the site by country, almost exactly line up with where Ive sent custom SAKs and in what order.  The US and Great Britain are by far the most common places Ive sent SAKs.  The only one that doesnt correspond in the list is France.  I cant remember ever sending a SAK there, but I know there are a few french SAK enthusiast sites that probably view my customs.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 03, 2014, 07:22:50 PM
Just wanted to mention that I finally got all my custom examples pics up in my site gallery. 

http://sakmodder.com/gallery_93mm_alox_1.shtml

This has been an easier way for people to browse and refer to specific models, than sifting through either my photobucket or my massive build thread here.
Way to go! :tu: Mines got the most pics :D ! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Heywood Floyd on May 03, 2014, 10:26:54 PM
Very cool resource Syph. Good for new and old customers alike.
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Post by: Monrogue on May 04, 2014, 04:34:50 AM
That's some great custom SAK viewing Syph.  Good job organizing all that.  I like the idea of the "build your own" feature and submitting for a quote :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on May 12, 2014, 09:55:46 PM
This one seemed straight forward but I hit a bunch of snags on the way.  Pliers are harder to add than scissors since they stick up higher and can block nail nicks.  In the middle this blocked other tools, and pliers on the outer layer are difficult as the plier jaw rivet sticks out and will hit the scale. 

You cant tell from the pics but here are the tweaks I did to get it all to work.

- ground plier head rivet to clear scale
- ground rests of plier back spring to allow plier head to sit as low as possible
- ground rest of saw backspring to lower saw as it was too high.
- surface ground 2x opener layers springs from 0.080" to 0.055" to use as the phillips backspring

But.. It all works just fine and the pliers open and close without hitting the scale at all.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom253/IMG_4655.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom253/IMG_4680.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom253/IMG_4686.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom253/IMG_4690.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom253/IMG_4695.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom253/IMG_4697.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on May 12, 2014, 10:05:52 PM
Nice improv work there Syph :tu:  Looks good as always.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on May 12, 2014, 10:41:39 PM
You are truely master. salute sir.

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Post by: chivaceae on May 12, 2014, 10:46:48 PM
Really nice  :tu: I like this green HA color a lot. Definitively the color to ask for in my next custom to be done in the near future you (just need a couple of more items).
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 12, 2014, 11:33:25 PM
Another beauty Syph as always! :tu: JR
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Post by: Syph007 on May 15, 2014, 02:06:08 AM
I was playing with a 1/2 inch endmill today to see if that works for making nail nicks.  I think it did a decent enough job.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/NailNick/IMG_4753.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/NailNick/IMG_4757.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/NailNick/IMG_4759.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/NailNick/IMG_4764.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/NailNick/IMG_4769.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/NailNick/IMG_4771.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/NailNick/IMG_4775.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on May 15, 2014, 02:55:12 AM
Awesome!  :ahhh



At first I saw you cutting the blade in half and was just thinking WTF is he doing.  :D
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 15, 2014, 03:10:53 AM
Awesome!  :ahhh



At first I saw you cutting the blade in half and was just thinking WTF is he doing.  :D
Really! I was like WHAT, is he nuts? But then saw the finished part and was like phew! That's good! JR
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Post by: Syph007 on May 15, 2014, 03:22:45 AM
Awesome!  :ahhh



At first I saw you cutting the blade in half and was just thinking WTF is he doing.  :D
Really! I was like WHAT, is he nuts? But then saw the finished part and was like phew! That's good! JR

Ya i have some used blades that arent perfect so I was just experimenting. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 15, 2014, 04:32:25 AM
Awesome!  :ahhh



At first I saw you cutting the blade in half and was just thinking WTF is he doing.  :D
Really! I was like WHAT, is he nuts? But then saw the finished part and was like phew! That's good! JR

Ya i have some used blades that arent perfect so I was just experimenting. :D
Well it turned out great, another awesome job! :tu: if it's one thing I don't get tired of it's you and any of your work you post, truly amazing!! JR
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Post by: Etherealicer on May 15, 2014, 08:55:52 AM
Wow, that is brilliant. A toast to your ingenuity :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on May 15, 2014, 10:24:45 AM
Awesome!  :ahhh



At first I saw you cutting the blade in half and was just thinking WTF is he doing.  :D
Really! I was like WHAT, is he nuts? But then saw the finished part and was like phew! That's good! JR

Ya i have some used blades that arent perfect so I was just experimenting. :D
Well it turned out great, another awesome job! :tu: if it's one thing I don't get tired of it's you and any of your work you post, truly amazing!! JR

Completely agree.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: chivaceae on May 15, 2014, 08:57:43 PM
Robert,
I love what you did with this "chopped" knife blade - literally making an electrician look-alike blade. I can see how this can be applied to blade with broken tips, and/or mixing with other short tools on the same layer (with appropriate washers/spacers).  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Caranthanus on May 16, 2014, 08:34:40 PM
Just wanted to mention that I finally got all my custom examples pics up in my site gallery. 

http://sakmodder.com/gallery_93mm_alox_1.shtml

This has been an easier way for people to browse and refer to specific models, than sifting through either my photobucket or my massive build thread here.
Great representation of your fine work Sir. Some wonderful photos there :tu:
+1  :2tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: twiliter on May 18, 2014, 04:30:17 PM
Great idea, and it turned out excellent. That would make a perfect detail knife. One of the best features of 91mm SAK's (IMHO) is the handle to small blade ratio for precise cutting, but that is even better. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 18, 2014, 04:38:13 PM
Great idea, and it turned out excellent. That would make a perfect detail knife. One of the best features of 91mm SAK's (IMHO) is the handle to small blade ratio for precise cutting, but that is even better. :tu:

Ya it got me thinking it might be fun to recreate the classic 3 bladed stockman pattern on a Vic with the 3 blade shapes just for fun.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: twiliter on May 18, 2014, 05:05:49 PM
Great idea, and it turned out excellent. That would make a perfect detail knife. One of the best features of 91mm SAK's (IMHO) is the handle to small blade ratio for precise cutting, but that is even better. :tu:

Ya it got me thinking it might be fun to recreate the classic 3 bladed stockman pattern on a Vic with the 3 blade shapes just for fun.

So many guys carried those back in the day, even now I still see a few. A Vic version would be cool!  :)
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Post by: Syph007 on May 19, 2014, 06:21:31 PM
I finally am giving my tumbling machine a try.  Nothing much to show yet, but I was excited to try a new toy.  There are 8 springs in there.  After 12 hours so far they are about half way to where I'd like them.  So it's still on and I'll take some before and after pics when done.  I remember hearing the pyramid ceramic style are more aggressive so I will try those next.  :tu:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpSWPr-rHdE&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: enki_ck on May 19, 2014, 08:39:10 PM
That sounds loud. :D

Hope it gives you satisfactory results. :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on May 19, 2014, 09:14:29 PM
That sounds loud. :D

Hope it gives you satisfactory results. :tu:

Ya after the first hour I moved it out to the back shed.  Its been there ever since. :D  Thats going to be my workshop for loud and messy stuff.  The Ti anodizing lab is getting setup there.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 22, 2014, 04:00:35 AM
Ok so I had the tumbler going for 48 hrs with some periodic checks and here's what it did...  some cleaning but not near enough.  This is a pretty fine grit ceramic so I have some more aggressive pyramids coming from a local place that should get here pretty quick.

The tumbler I bought came with a book called the art and science of mass finishing, its actually pretty interesting stuff that I never gave much thought before.  With some experimenting I think I can really speed up finishing time which is pretty cool.   :tu:
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 22, 2014, 05:05:21 AM
Ok so I had the tumbler going for 48 hrs with some periodic checks and here's what it did...  some cleaning but not near enough.  This is a pretty fine grit ceramic so I have some more aggressive pyramids coming from a local place that should get here pretty quick.

The tumbler I bought came with a book called the art and science of mass finishing, its actually pretty interesting stuff that I never gave much thought before.  With some experimenting I think I can really speed up finishing time which is pretty cool.   :tu:
Wow 48hrs, I didn't think it would have to go for that long, but that looks really nice though! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on May 22, 2014, 09:46:14 PM
Ok so I had the tumbler going for 48 hrs with some periodic checks and here's what it did...  some cleaning but not near enough.  This is a pretty fine grit ceramic so I have some more aggressive pyramids coming from a local place that should get here pretty quick.

The tumbler I bought came with a book called the art and science of mass finishing, its actually pretty interesting stuff that I never gave much thought before.  With some experimenting I think I can really speed up finishing time which is pretty cool.   :tu:
I don't mean to be a nay-sayer, but to me, that looks just a little too beat-up. It's awfully rough for a stonewash job...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 22, 2014, 10:36:21 PM
Ok so I had the tumbler going for 48 hrs with some periodic checks and here's what it did...  some cleaning but not near enough.  This is a pretty fine grit ceramic so I have some more aggressive pyramids coming from a local place that should get here pretty quick.

The tumbler I bought came with a book called the art and science of mass finishing, its actually pretty interesting stuff that I never gave much thought before.  With some experimenting I think I can really speed up finishing time which is pretty cool.   :tu:
I don't mean to be a nay-sayer, but to me, that looks just a little too beat-up. It's awfully rough for a stonewash job...

OH its not nearly done.  Thats why I orderd more aggresive media.  The idea is to remove all the scale from heat treat, then run it again with finer grit.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on May 22, 2014, 10:38:16 PM
Ok so I had the tumbler going for 48 hrs with some periodic checks and here's what it did...  some cleaning but not near enough.  This is a pretty fine grit ceramic so I have some more aggressive pyramids coming from a local place that should get here pretty quick.

The tumbler I bought came with a book called the art and science of mass finishing, its actually pretty interesting stuff that I never gave much thought before.  With some experimenting I think I can really speed up finishing time which is pretty cool.   :tu:
I don't mean to be a nay-sayer, but to me, that looks just a little too beat-up. It's awfully rough for a stonewash job...

OH its not nearly done.  Thats why I orderd more aggresive media.  The idea is to remove all the scale from heat treat, then run it again with finer grit.
That makes sense, can't wait to see the finished result :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on May 27, 2014, 10:33:00 PM
Woohoo!  Got my 50 cerakoted liners back from Jeff Forbush today!

He does such great work and I cant recommend him highly enough.  It's refreshing to deal with someone who always completely out performs what I expect, and is polite and prompt to boot. :tu:

So these are stock nickel silver liners and spacers.  Half of them I riveted the spacers to, to effectively make them one piece.  I needed more black liners for blackout builds and using the stock ones I had plenty of just seemed like a convenient option.  These are armor black cerakote.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Liners/IMG_5027.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Liners/IMG_5029.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Liners/IMG_5032.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Liners/IMG_5037.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Liners/IMG_5040.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on May 27, 2014, 10:41:54 PM
OOOOOHHHHHH


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Post by: Heywood Floyd on May 27, 2014, 10:54:38 PM
YYYYYEEAAHHHHH :D
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Post by: Syph007 on May 27, 2014, 11:41:30 PM
Working on another run of BO parts and waiting for some DLC parts, so in the mean time it seemed smart to make sure I had liners ready to go.   :tu:  They seem like they will work out fine... now I just need some black parts.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on May 28, 2014, 10:00:46 AM
Oh so beautiful. Can't wait to see them put to good use.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: scattergun13 on May 28, 2014, 03:07:09 PM
I just found this thread and can't wait to read all of it and see the pics. Just wanted to say that you are truly gifted Sir. It shows in your finished product. I'd love to purchase one from you someday.
Sincerely,
Stew...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 29, 2014, 05:02:43 PM
Ok I might have an addiction to modding... maybe...

Im already stocked up on black and green, blue is already being anodized now, so I took stock of my scales to be processed.  Oh just 76 kicking around... :D  I'll send 20 sets ( 40 scales ) for red though, then the rest will get in queue for more orange. 

I should be good for alox donors for quite awhile now.  Thats good though I can then focus on another BO run, brass liner making via waterjet, and finally get back to prototyping a Ti liner lock!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5093.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5090.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on May 29, 2014, 08:48:29 PM
Ok I might have an addiction to modding... maybe...
...

Maybe, but just slightly. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 29, 2014, 09:06:11 PM
Ok I might have an addiction to modding... maybe...
...

Maybe, but just slightly. :D

Im setting up my mad scientist lab today in the back shed.  Ive got power out there so I thought Id make that my Ti anodizing space.  I have an order for a Ti minichamp with blue liners, so if all goes well I'll have that to show later today.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 29, 2014, 10:37:18 PM
And.. welcome to my secret backyard Ti anodizing station! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/TiAnodize/IMG_5099.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/TiAnodize/IMG_5102.jpg)

The electrolyte is 5g TSP per 1 L water, so 20G for my 4 L vessel. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/TiAnodize/IMG_5105.jpg)

The power supply is awesome! 0-120 Volts in increments of 0.1 volts.  And this is a self adjusting supply, so if I dial up 25 volts for purple, it will adjust current to keep it at 25.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/TiAnodize/IMG_5108.jpg)

Now..... did it work?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 29, 2014, 10:40:08 PM
Here are my first test parts.  Kind of a purply blue.  The relfective native of the Ti-oxide is REALLY hard to photograph well.

I posed them with some stock nickel silver liners for reference.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/TiAnodize/IMG_5111.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/TiAnodize/IMG_5121.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/TiAnodize/IMG_5126.jpg)

I think they turned out not bad for my first go.  Now I can finish the Ti minichamp tomorrow and we'll see how it looks.  :tu:
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Post by: enki_ck on May 30, 2014, 01:15:23 AM
             :ahhh              You electroshocked them till they turned blue!               :ahhh                 




 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/faulkes/fainting-smiley.gif)












:D


Looks good to me. :2tu:
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Post by: Glofindel on May 30, 2014, 02:09:44 AM
looks so much fun. I wish my house has space like that.

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Post by: RByers91 on May 30, 2014, 05:55:23 AM
 :pok:  :gimme:
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Post by: Syph007 on June 08, 2014, 02:27:00 AM
Ive been holding onto some hard anodized old cross for ages now.  I really need to make them into something cool.

I was given a broken marlin spike old cross and have a set of those scales too.  The idea with that one was to build a Ti marlinspike and put it back together.  The marlin spike was broken in half on that one.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5416.jpg)
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Post by: captain spaulding on June 08, 2014, 04:52:48 AM
Those old cross scales are awesome. The green is just :drool:.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: RByers91 on June 08, 2014, 05:24:03 AM
Ive been holding onto some hard anodized old cross for ages now.  I really need to make them into something cool.

I was given a broken marlin spike old cross and have a set of those scales too.  The idea with that one was to build a Ti marlinspike and put it back together.  The marlin spike was broken in half on that one.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5416.jpg)

Old cross white cerakote? Very cool!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 08, 2014, 06:07:09 AM
Those old cross scales are awesome. The green is just :drool:.
Yes! And the same for that blue :drool: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Hyatt181 on June 08, 2014, 01:51:11 PM
I would like a blue set made for me. I've been trying to find a donor for that. Didn't think you would have them sitting around.


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 11, 2014, 03:35:15 PM
All of the brass liners Ive used in my mods have all been cut by hand with a jewelers saw.  I had made about 100 last time but it took ages, and the wrist pain was something I wasnt looking forward too.  I sent for a quote from my waterjet guy about costs to cut those out en masse and its reasonable enough that I think that is the way forward. 

So for a first test I have a 1' x 2' piece of 0.032" C260 brass going for waterjet of liners.  It should yield about 100 pieces.  The price goes down per part the larger the order, but I didnt want to commit any more than that in case my dxf file wasnt perfect.

I used the hole sizes for stock liners on these in case anyone was looking for brass liners to rebuild old alox knives as brass liners are very hard to find from old alox especially in good shape. 

Well I'll know in about 3 weeks if the parts are right.   They wont be ready to use off the machine, but Im used to doing the edge sand an polish manually anyhow.

I did make 2 tweaks to the standard profile of the liner though.  I hate sanding the 90 degree corner part so I rounded out that shape, and also I made the hump over the center hole slightly thicker.  Since I drill out that hole to 1/8 inch it just felt like a good idea since I was doing custom cut liners.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=124359;image)

Everytime I build a custom with brass liners, I think, I really need to make up more of these as they look so nice.  They really class up a custom and go with any of the colors.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom267/IMG_5506.jpg)


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Post by: chivaceae on June 11, 2014, 07:16:23 PM
These brass liners look great Robert! :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 13, 2014, 08:53:50 PM
Black and blue beauty today.   :tu:

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=124501;image)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=124503;image)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=124505;image)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=124507;image)

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Post by: Monrogue on June 13, 2014, 09:16:05 PM
Nice one Syph :tu:  The black and blue look good together.
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 13, 2014, 09:52:08 PM
Beauty Syph! JR :tu:
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Post by: Etherealicer on June 13, 2014, 10:18:05 PM
The blue liner look posh, very elegant.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on June 13, 2014, 10:28:09 PM
The black and blue look excellent.  :tu:
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Post by: sawman on June 14, 2014, 07:18:56 PM
Does look nice.
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Post by: archerwin on June 15, 2014, 10:46:43 AM
What are the hardware needed to use the screws method? Can I use screws (or nuts & bolts) for cellidor mods? What are the sizes needed?

Thanks
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bmot on June 15, 2014, 10:51:10 AM
What are the hardware needed to use the screws method? Can I use screws (or nuts & bolts) for cellidor mods? What are the sizes needed?

Thanks


I believe he uses screws that are slightly bigger than standard holes, so he drills out all the parts to the right size, using carbide drills, as the steel is very hard. IIRC, the screws can be bought from knifekits.com or something like that...


For cellidor mods, I assume you can, but pivot sizes are different, and I don't think you'd still be able to use the "click on" way of attaching scales, as those use the bushings around the brass pins.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on June 15, 2014, 10:51:42 AM
What are the hardware needed to use the screws method? Can I use screws (or nuts & bolts) for cellidor mods? What are the sizes needed?

Thanks
You need pivot barrel. Yes, screws are fine but it won't give you flat surface. Have a look earlier post on this thread.
There is a link for it.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 25, 2014, 12:42:58 AM
Just a couple of updates.  I dropped off the brass for waterjet last week, so it's due back next week.  Im keeping my fingers crossed for 100 perfectly cut brass liners.  :D  If those work out well I am going to run that file again get get 200 Al liners, and have those anodized so I'll be well stocked on all options for liner action.

And Im restocked on red hard anodized scales for those have have been waiting.   :tu:

The red turned out really nice. 

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=125092;image)

Cheers, and I'll have some more exciting updates later this week.  Hint Ti, urban pioneer, and anodizing... x2.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 01, 2014, 02:54:01 AM
I was really trying to get a Ti urban pioneer (Ti-oneer ?) together today, but all I got done were scales and liners.

This is all grade 5 Ti-6-4.  The liners and keyring I hand finished but they were originally waterjet quite some time ago.  I anodized them blue.  The scales were taken to a 400 grit finish, then tumbled in ceramic pyramids for a matte gray look.

I'm not done experimenting with scale finishes yet. I got in some steel shot that I was going to try tumbling the scales in.  That in theory should work harden the surface.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=125550;image)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=125552;image)

I see why so many people like to play with Ti anodizing.  Pretty straight forward, not messy or dangerous, and you get some neat colors.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on July 01, 2014, 02:57:58 AM
Looking great
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 01, 2014, 05:16:01 AM
Oh wow Syph, that gray and blue combo is beautiful! :drool: JR
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Post by: jrp316 on July 01, 2014, 06:57:30 AM
I think I need to hit Syph up for a set of brass liners and some blue scales for my Urban Mechanic. Baby needs a new pair of shoes.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 02, 2014, 01:38:07 AM
I thought I already posted all the final build pics here of the Ti build, but I must not have.

Even with the tumbled finish carbidizing the wear points is still necessary.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom277/IMG_6138.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom277/IMG_6156.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom277/IMG_6159.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom277/IMG_6174.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom277/IMG_6181.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom277/IMG_6189.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom277/IMG_6191.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom277/IMG_6193.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom277/IMG_6196.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom277/IMG_6204.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom277/IMG_6232.jpg)
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 02, 2014, 03:24:39 AM
Oh wow Syph, she's a beauty! I must say a real beauty! :tu: JR
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Post by: mrynnr on July 02, 2014, 03:26:46 AM
Don't mind the puddle of drool in the corner, it's just me.


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Post by: Syph007 on July 02, 2014, 03:27:37 AM
Don't mind the puddle of drool in the corner, it's just me.

Ah come on, you've got enough customs SAKs now dont you.  :D
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Post by: mrynnr on July 02, 2014, 03:28:47 AM
I don't know what enough means... :D


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Post by: Monrogue on July 02, 2014, 03:29:48 AM
I would say it's a beauty Syph, but apparently I said it a dozen times in the "latest SAK" thread, thanks to my phone :whistle:
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Post by: mrynnr on July 02, 2014, 03:33:03 AM

Don't mind the puddle of drool in the corner, it's just me.

Ah come on, you've got enough customs SAKs now dont you.  :D
i can't help it... It's so be..a...u..TI...ful... :)


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Post by: jerseydevil on July 02, 2014, 03:35:52 AM
I would say it's a beauty Syph, but apparently I said it a dozen times in the "latest SAK" thread, thanks to my phone :whistle:

 :D
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Post by: crackout on July 02, 2014, 11:42:09 AM
Mhmhm all those nice custom made scales. Ever thought about making thicker custom scales for 84mm so the 'pivot in scale' problem disappears? There, I'm on the 84-train again. :D
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Post by: hiraethus on July 02, 2014, 05:00:11 PM
Lovely.  How does using Ti affect the weight of the knife?  I assume the scales are heavier but the liners are lighter?
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Post by: Syph007 on July 02, 2014, 06:54:33 PM
Lovely.  How does using Ti affect the weight of the knife?  I assume the scales are heavier but the liners are lighter?

It shouldn't add much at all really.  The density of Ti isnt that much more vs Al.  Now if you do brass or steel in this size, the weight is very noticeable.

Al (6061)                    - 2.7 g/cc   
Ti-6-4                        - 4.4 g/cc   
Stainless Steel (440)    - 7.6 g/cc
Brass (c260)               - 8.5 g/cc

Mhmhm all those nice custom made scales. Ever thought about making thicker custom scales for 84mm so the 'pivot in scale' problem disappears? There, I'm on the 84-train again. :D

Yep you are right it would work better if I used thicker scales, but the problem is I really dont care for the platform.  Aesthetically‎ I prefer the symmetrical look of the 93mm size as well as I can fit just about any tool on them.  Putting any of 91mm tools on 84s is possible, but such a pain compared to the 93mm size.

So I will just stick to 93 and 58 modding.  111mm is next though for sure. 
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Post by: Etherealicer on July 02, 2014, 07:49:49 PM
Hmmm, that matte finish truly sparkles, very pretty :drool:
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Post by: Syph007 on July 02, 2014, 07:57:21 PM
Oh boy this worked out nice, check out anodized Ti screws! :D

The screws are shallow socket heads from knifekits.  2 bucks a piece isnt cheap though... $12 in screws per sak.   :o

http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/product_info.php?cPath=60_81_230&products_id=4723

I drilled and tapped a scrap piece of Ti for a holder.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/All-Ti/IMG_6249.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/All-Ti/IMG_6275.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/All-Ti/IMG_6276.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/All-Ti/IMG_6287.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/All-Ti/IMG_6291.jpg)

Next Im going to make Ti backsprings and color those.  :D  I've been meaning to do that for a long time.
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 02, 2014, 08:13:57 PM
 Sweet! Can't wait for a finished project!! JR
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Post by: microbe on July 02, 2014, 10:20:21 PM
Syph, your level of customization is tripping all scales lately.  :cheers:
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Post by: Glofindel on July 03, 2014, 01:15:52 AM
Blue ano screw is wicked!.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 04, 2014, 01:31:46 AM
Ok so I'm continuing on with the Ti experimenting.  I set out to make a Ti backspring this morning.  Ti alloys are extremely hard to work with so all I've got so far is this. 

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=125745;image)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=125747;image)

Normally I cut 0.032" Ti to make liner parts and this hunk is 0.155" thick.

I'm really not too sure how well this will work, but Ive been wanting to try forever so I'm making a blade layer spring as the first test.  I figure I'll anodize it, then just build a 1 layer test SAK.  Open and close it a few thousand times and see how the spring holds up. 

The worry I have is that Ti alloy does work harden, but I dont know if the small flex the spring will have will be enough to cause that.  If it work hardens that would mean the spring would get stiffer over time unlike steel that weakens over time.

So... It's got me curious enough to find out.  Ive heard of guys using 0.050" Ti for lock back backsprings, but never heard of anyone using it in a slipjoint.

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Post by: Glofindel on July 04, 2014, 01:48:55 AM
Very interesting. Looking forward to hear the answer. :)
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Post by: PTRSAK on July 04, 2014, 09:44:09 AM
I've used Ti sheet for a linerlock and it's still going as good as the day it was made. Not that there is any number of thousand cycles on it... hundreds maybe.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 04, 2014, 01:51:47 PM
I've used Ti sheet for a linerlock and it's still going as good as the day it was made. Not that there is any number of thousand cycles on it... hundreds maybe.

I think it should work.  Most of the info I found by googling was just speculation on slipjoint use. I couldnt find any info on anyone who actually tried it.

I figure I might have to adjust the thickness though of the arms of the spring.  I have a feeling if I copy the exact profile of the stock spring that it will be on the stiff side.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 05, 2014, 02:51:37 PM
I got a second Ti custom together yesterday.  :D  Identical except the liners are more purple than blue.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_6343.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_6341.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_6312.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_6308.jpg)
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Post by: mrynnr on July 05, 2014, 04:29:55 PM
Ooooo purple.... :D


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Post by: Monrogue on July 05, 2014, 06:50:21 PM
Those are cool Syph
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Post by: Etherealicer on July 05, 2014, 07:14:53 PM
I got a second Ti custom together yesterday.  :D  Identical except the liners are more purple than blue.
But also too blue to be purple, maybe bluerple :think: :rofl:
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Post by: enki_ck on July 05, 2014, 07:46:38 PM
Blurple actualy exists. :)
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Post by: Syph007 on July 05, 2014, 08:11:56 PM
Blurple actualy exists. :)

Blurple seems about right!

I was going to make up a chart of voltage vs color for my setup, but it varies depending on parts size slightly, so its not exactly the same voltage per color each time.  Which is probably why they say to rack all parts at once that you want the same color. 

Ti anodizing feels like cheating compared to Al anodizing.. but I see why its so popular.  Very easy to do at home and no nasty chemicals.  The electrolyte is detergent in water, and other than that you need electricity.  It is somewhat high voltage and high amps (enough to kill if it went through the heart) but common sense safety is all that's needed.

I've got some Ti scales from a charge TTi coming in for a bit of color.  Im curious to try that cast Ti vs the grade 5 alloy.  Tofty got his blue so I know it's possible.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rickinFL on July 05, 2014, 09:51:53 PM
9v batteries, alligator clips and coca cola is all you need.  Your method is more predictable but for the cheapskate like myself, perfect.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 05, 2014, 10:35:04 PM
9v batteries, alligator clips and coca cola is all you need.  Your method is more predictable but for the cheapskate like myself, perfect.

The only thing to keep in mind about that is that if you are crazy enough to try up to 100 Volts to get green, that is not grounded. So be careful.  :D  Also its hader to get constant color over a larger part if you dont have regulated voltage as more amps are drawn at the start of the process, and less at the end as the oxide builds up.

But yep its the same principle.  You can pretty much use any liquid with a dissovled electroyte since its the water that does the work.  Oxygen from water making Ti-oxide, and h2 gas released.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bmot on July 06, 2014, 05:36:30 AM
So, could you get the scales to be pretty blue like that, as well?  :drool:
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Post by: PTRSAK on July 06, 2014, 06:35:08 AM
So, could you get the scales to be pretty blue like that, as well?  :drool:

Yes you can get aa wicked blue.  The back Recruit in this lineup...

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/recruits_part1.jpg)

But you can get more than just blue on them...

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/P8250983.jpg)
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Post by: Syph007 on July 06, 2014, 06:27:34 PM
Nice Peter!

What Ive been wondering is.. that tumbled finish I did, its still Ti on the surface, I wonder if it would anodize.   If I tumbled it something sharp first it would expose fresh Ti metal and getting that blue or purple might look nice too.

Lots to experiment with anyhow.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bmot on July 06, 2014, 06:53:44 PM
Nice Peter!

What Ive been wondering is.. that tumbled finish I did, its still Ti on the surface, I wonder if it would anodize.   If I tumbled it something sharp first it would expose fresh Ti metal and getting that blue or purple might look nice too.

Lots to experiment with anyhow.  :D


If you can get a nice all-blue anodized TI Phioneer, I think I'll have to put another order in with you...


Do you have titanium pocket clips for this yet? :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 06, 2014, 06:56:34 PM
Nice Peter!

What Ive been wondering is.. that tumbled finish I did, its still Ti on the surface, I wonder if it would anodize.   If I tumbled it something sharp first it would expose fresh Ti metal and getting that blue or purple might look nice too.

Lots to experiment with anyhow.  :D


If you can get a nice all-blue anodized TI Phioneer, I think I'll have to put another order in with you...


Do you have titanium pocket clips for this yet? :facepalm:

Most of the knife parts places I order from sell Ti clips.  I was going to pick some up next time I order and give those a try.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bmot on July 06, 2014, 07:35:52 PM
Nice Peter!

What Ive been wondering is.. that tumbled finish I did, its still Ti on the surface, I wonder if it would anodize.   If I tumbled it something sharp first it would expose fresh Ti metal and getting that blue or purple might look nice too.

Lots to experiment with anyhow.  :D


If you can get a nice all-blue anodized TI Phioneer, I think I'll have to put another order in with you...


Do you have titanium pocket clips for this yet? :facepalm:

Most of the knife parts places I order from sell Ti clips.  I was going to pick some up next time I order and give those a try.


 :ahhh :ahhh


My wallet hates you  :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on July 08, 2014, 06:56:00 AM

Nice Peter!

What Ive been wondering is.. that tumbled finish I did, its still Ti on the surface, I wonder if it would anodize.   If I tumbled it something sharp first it would expose fresh Ti metal and getting that blue or purple might look nice too.

Lots to experiment with anyhow.  :D


If you can get a nice all-blue anodized TI Phioneer, I think I'll have to put another order in with you...


Do you have titanium pocket clips for this yet? :facepalm:

Most of the knife parts places I order from sell Ti clips.  I was going to pick some up next time I order and give those a try.


 :ahhh :ahhh


My wallet hates you  :facepalm:
haha +1


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 08, 2014, 06:44:21 PM
My waterjet brass liners were finally done!  That was much faster than cutting them by hand with a jewelers saw! :D

They still need edge finishing and polishing but that part is much easier than cutting them out.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=126009;image)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=126011;image)
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 08, 2014, 06:57:47 PM
Wow, that's great! JR
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Post by: Glofindel on July 09, 2014, 02:30:44 AM
Great stuff
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Post by: Syph007 on July 09, 2014, 02:32:01 AM
I had a mod waiting for brass liners that I was able to finish up tonight.  Much to my relief the file I made for the liners was correct and the parts fit fine.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom269/IMG_6379.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom269/IMG_6381.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom269/IMG_6385.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom269/IMG_6388.jpg)
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Post by: neillcurrie on July 09, 2014, 03:31:16 AM
Brass is class,
Alum is ho-hum.
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 09, 2014, 06:28:53 AM
Beautiful :drool: JR
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Post by: enki_ck on July 09, 2014, 12:16:04 PM
My waterjet brass liners were finally done!  That was much faster than cutting them by hand with a jewelers saw! :D

They still need edge finishing and polishing but that part is much easier than cutting them out.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=126009;image)


I have a feeling a dragon should be sitting on top of this pile. :D

(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/DragonHoardUpload_1956.jpg)
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Post by: HankSolon on July 09, 2014, 01:37:14 PM
Yeah, he should.

After Cutting out some 93mm brass-liners myself I was a bit stunned by the work, that needed to be done!
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Post by: Syph007 on July 10, 2014, 07:33:24 PM
Yeah, he should.

After Cutting out some 93mm brass-liners myself I was a bit stunned by the work, that needed to be done!

Yes last time I made liners I think I was able to cut 56 out of 1 square foot by hand, but that took SOOOOO long I just couldn't bring myself to do that again.  :D  So waterjetting is the way to go.  Next time I'll commit more material now that I now the file is ok.

Here's todays mod project and its something simple yet different.

Pioneer + phillips with can opener ground into a technician screwdriver.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom279/IMG_6400.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom279/IMG_6406.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom279/IMG_6411.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom279/IMG_6417.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom279/IMG_6425.jpg)

This seemed very straight forward but there was one catch.  Normally I have a scissors layer in between the blade and openers, but when the triple tool layer is adjacent to the blade layer there is a problem.  The slope of the blade matches exactly that of the bottle opener and can opener.  This makes the bottle opener nail nick inaccessible.

So, what I did was to custom grind a spring to be just a little raised on the part where the bottle opener contacts.  This let it sit just a touch higher than normal in closed position and the nail nick is easily accessible.   :tu:

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Post by: Hyatt181 on July 10, 2014, 07:36:25 PM
That looks great.
Soon you will be receiving my order.


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Post by: neillcurrie on July 10, 2014, 09:02:38 PM
When I cut brass liners I use a pair of shears for the "outside" edges, and a Klein Nibbler to rough out the "inside" edges. Goes quite quickly, at least for the bulk metal removal. Still use a Dremel and a belt sander to finish with.

This method is pretty fast, but I still wouldn't want to make more than about 4 liners this way. And the thicker I choose to make the liners, the harder/longer it becomes.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 16, 2014, 12:41:10 AM
I was curious how those matte gray Ti scales would anodize so I gave it a try today.  Turns out they anodize just fine, so that gives me more options for Ti color and finish combos.

I also finally got some of the etchant that Im supposed to use to get the brighter colors, so I need to try that next to hopefully get to that nice green color.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=126445;image)
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Post by: Glofindel on July 16, 2014, 02:23:04 AM
Nice! I really that semi-gloss finish.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 17, 2014, 12:08:30 AM
I put some more brass into action today.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom282/IMG_6588.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom282/IMG_6594.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom282/IMG_6601.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom282/IMG_6607.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom282/IMG_6613.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom282/IMG_6622.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom282/IMG_6624.jpg)
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Post by: chivaceae on July 17, 2014, 01:05:13 AM
Beautiful combination of green and brass colors!  :tu:
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Post by: Monrogue on July 17, 2014, 02:42:28 AM
Nice work Syph :tu:
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Post by: zigliss on July 17, 2014, 03:19:45 PM
Beautiful - but I cannot wait for my version of this!
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Post by: Syph007 on July 24, 2014, 01:30:21 AM
Here is another take on the easy open alox mod. This used to be a very well worn pioneer apprentice, but I reconfigured it into a 2 layer with only one tool in each layer.

The idea is the main blade is an easy open pinch blade, but the electrician blade is also available by standard nail nick.

I made custom springs for both layers and the electrician blade one I ground down to the same thickness as the electrician blade so no spacers were needed, and finished it off with a polished brass liner.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom283/IMG_6671.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom283/IMG_6675.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom283/IMG_6684.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom283/IMG_6695.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom283/IMG_6700.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom283/IMG_6702.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom283/IMG_6710.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: dmanuel on July 24, 2014, 02:26:00 AM
I dunno how much this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-Alox-Special-/121392233721) was to have made, but it certainly looks like your work is getting famous!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 24, 2014, 03:41:59 AM
I dunno how much this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-Alox-Special-/121392233721) was to have made, but it certainly looks like your work is getting famous!

Ya thats on the steep side, but the alox craze is in full swing too... I'll have to watch that and see if it sells for that price. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jerseydevil on July 24, 2014, 03:44:01 AM
Love the easy open, Syph.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 01, 2014, 12:21:20 AM
Another Urban Ti-oneer today.  The only different on this one is I tumbled the scales in rocks for a bit more distressed look, and added a clip.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom284/IMG_6757.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom284/IMG_6740.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom284/IMG_6746.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom284/IMG_6751.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom284/IMG_6763.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom284/IMG_6774.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: chivaceae on August 01, 2014, 04:33:13 PM
Superb, as usual Robert. You carbidize the contact point on the ti-scales, right?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 01, 2014, 05:02:51 PM
Superb, as usual Robert. You carbidize the contact point on the ti-scales, right?

Yup always where Ti and steel rub.  That tumbled finish would let it slide for awhile but once it wore down the tools would stick and lose all snap.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on August 04, 2014, 08:14:06 AM
Those tumbled Ti scales may be your best ones so far IMHO.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on August 04, 2014, 09:41:48 AM
Those tumbled Ti scales may be your best ones so far IMHO.
They look nice, but I think the prettiest are the black ones from January this year :drool:.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 13, 2014, 12:22:19 AM
I got an orange cerakote custom back in for an upgrade and it was very interesting to see how it has held up.  I put this one together near the end of last year and the owner said it has been used hard and often.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_6950.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_6952.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_6958.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_6961.jpg)

The BO on the tools was fine, but seems to have come of the backsprings most.  The alox liners I made held up quite well.  I was most happy with the orange cerakote though. It held up very well.  Id for sure rate this above standard anodizing for quality and longevity, and Im really happy to have a well used custom to see in person.

Ive actually got another 10 sets of orange coming in from Jeff next week and... a brand new cerakote color for a new custom theme that Ive been keeping secret... :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on August 13, 2014, 12:28:34 AM
Orange customs.  :drool: Can't wait to see what you have planned.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on August 13, 2014, 03:57:35 AM
Orange customs.  :drool: Can't wait to see what you have planned.  :tu:

+1  :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 16, 2014, 02:37:07 AM
My scales arrived! :D

The safety orange is still one of my favorites with BO tools, but I had to run a new color this time to try.  Its called Corvette yellow.  I figure I can pair that with some black tools and liners and call it the hornet.. or killer bee.. yellow jacket?  Well you get the idea.  :D

Now to just keep waiting patiently for my BO parts to be ready...  :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_6992.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_6996.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_6999.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on August 16, 2014, 02:42:06 AM
Looking good. I'll patiently wait to see what you come up with.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on August 16, 2014, 07:04:49 AM
superb!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zigliss on August 16, 2014, 10:35:56 AM
Love the Yellow!

Anything on the DLC bits yet Bob?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ironraven on August 17, 2014, 01:18:11 AM
Loving the orange, especially on a Farmer- survival orange on a bushcrafty SAK, with a braided lanyard.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on August 17, 2014, 01:23:19 AM
My scales arrived! :D

The safety orange is still one of my favorites with BO tools, but I had to run a new color this time to try.  Its called Corvette yellow.  I figure I can pair that with some black tools and liners and call it the hornet.. or killer bee.. yellow jacket?  Well you get the idea.  :D

Now to just keep waiting patiently for my BO parts to be ready...  :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_6992.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_6996.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Cerakote/IMG_6999.jpg)
Orange and Yellow, my 2 favorite colours :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Hyatt181 on August 17, 2014, 02:28:58 AM
Nice.
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Post by: Hyatt181 on August 17, 2014, 03:49:03 AM
Nice.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on August 17, 2014, 03:52:19 AM
Nice.
Nice.

Nice.  :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on August 17, 2014, 05:08:18 AM
Nice.
Nice.

Nice.  :)

niiiice
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on August 17, 2014, 07:09:56 PM
Better start saving some cash, the yellow is gorgeous!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 17, 2014, 07:26:25 PM
Ya I wanted to try something different this time.  I was browsing the unique colors on the cerakote site and thought the yellow was worth a try. 

http://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/finishes/

Jeff said the brighter the color the more a pain in the ass it is to work with, so Im happy he was willing to tackle the yellow.  The first one Im doing with that color is just standard stainless tools with the yellow scales and black liners.

The zombie green was tempting but when I googled for pics of pieces done in that color they didnt look that great to me, but its hard to tell not seeing in person.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 17, 2014, 07:42:36 PM
Hmm actually I found an example pic on their site of the zombie green paired with white that looks decent...

(http://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/uploaded/thumbnails/db_file_img_7065_1200xauto.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 05, 2014, 06:42:55 PM
PARTS FINALLY!!! :D :D :D

For everyone waiting for BO parts, I just got them an hour ago.  This is what 20 spartans and 10 alox customs worth of parts looks like.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_7175.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_7168.jpg)

BO on stainless is more expensive than the anodize processes.  So to help with the cost I have run spartan parts from left over donor knives.  All brand new parts to get a new lease on life.  :D

This time though, I've got black liners too!!! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_7144.jpg)

There was a trick to this though.  Since the normal spacer under the blade tip is nickel silver, I cant BO it. SO.. I needed some Aluminum spacers in 0.040".  Well luckily one of the liners that come in a SAK with pliers is also 0.040" so I used those to cut up to make spacers.  1 liner made 4 and I used aluminum rivets to attach them to the liners.  That was a nice trick since its the same Al grade and colored the same!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_7165.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_7153.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_7148.jpg)

So I'll have 20 BO'd spartans with black liners available in the sales section next week.  Some with black scales, some with red, and also the option to buy with no scales if you have some to use.

Cheers!


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on September 05, 2014, 07:00:44 PM
Holy BO. :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on September 05, 2014, 07:00:54 PM
Holy BO. :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on September 05, 2014, 07:06:02 PM
You can say that again!  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 05, 2014, 07:11:15 PM
You can say that again!  :drool:

Haha, and he did ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on September 05, 2014, 07:18:04 PM
You can say that again!  :drool:

He just did...

Welcome to the dark side!

 :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on September 05, 2014, 09:12:23 PM
Looking good.   :drool:

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on September 05, 2014, 09:37:58 PM
You can say that again!  :drool:

Haha, and he did ;)
;) :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stealth007s on September 05, 2014, 09:52:12 PM
Really looking forward to the results :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on September 05, 2014, 10:00:44 PM
Can I ask what the price (might) be on the Spartans or would you rather wait until they are done?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 05, 2014, 10:43:15 PM
Can I ask what the price (might) be on the Spartans or would you rather wait until they are done?

I was selling them last time for $40.  There was some more work and cost to get the liners black for this run, so probably I'll be asking $45-$50.

Oh I forgot, I included 2 saw layers (with chisel back tool), so its actually 18 spartans and 2 campers.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on September 05, 2014, 11:15:36 PM
Can I ask what the price (might) be on the Spartans or would you rather wait until they are done?

 :imws:...errr I wanted to say: I´dlike to know that,too.
Looking great, Robert!

I bet these woulkd look killer with either Silvertech, wooden or black Nylon scales.
Or, some red stained, oiled wood, maybe? A tad darker than cellidor red. With a black inlaid Swiss cross.
Maybe I need one or 2 and then need to talk to MWDP?!  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 05, 2014, 11:41:03 PM
Can I ask what the price (might) be on the Spartans or would you rather wait until they are done?

 :imws:...errr I wanted to say: I´dlike to know that,too.
Looking great, Robert!

I bet these woulkd look killer with either Silvertech, wooden or black Nylon scales.
Or, some red stained, oiled wood, maybe? A tad darker than cellidor red. With a black inlaid Swiss cross.
Maybe I need one or 2 and then need to talk to MWDP?!  :think:

Yup there are some cool scale options I think.  I have regular red and black scales.  I figure I'll put them together, then put red on one, black on another then people can decide if they'd like either of those colors of stock scales, or get them with no scales if they plan to use something else.

White scales would make a stormtrooper spartan.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on September 05, 2014, 11:54:14 PM
Can I ask what the price (might) be on the Spartans or would you rather wait until they are done?

I was selling them last time for $40.  There was some more work and cost to get the liners black for this run, so probably I'll be asking $45-$50.

Oh I forgot, I included 2 saw layers (with chisel back tool), so its actually 18 spartans and 2 campers.


Great. Thanks.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on September 05, 2014, 11:56:18 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 06, 2014, 12:35:24 AM
First BO SAK born today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom295/IMG_7183.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom295/IMG_7186.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom295/IMG_7193.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom295/IMG_7194.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on September 06, 2014, 12:35:59 AM
:drool:
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Post by: captain spaulding on September 06, 2014, 12:36:10 AM
Me likey.  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 06, 2014, 12:40:17 AM
Hopefully Terry's future son in law likes it too! :D 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on September 06, 2014, 09:45:57 AM
awesome! just simply awesome.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on September 06, 2014, 01:43:20 PM
I dig it!   :tu:   :tu:   :tu:   Looks great.  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on September 06, 2014, 03:23:58 PM
I'm sure Terry' future son in law is going to love it!
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Post by: VictorLouis on September 06, 2014, 07:19:41 PM
Syph, your artistry continues to impress me. That tumble-finished ti is lovely. :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 07, 2014, 12:09:53 AM
BO spartan ( and one camper ) assembly started.  They look very nice dressed in the black liners so that was worth the effort.  I had to edge sand them all so the anodizing would take.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BO%20Spartans/IMG_7210.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BO%20Spartans/IMG_7211.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BO%20Spartans/IMG_7216.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BO%20Spartans/IMG_7222.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BO%20Spartans/IMG_7226.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BO%20Spartans/IMG_7228.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BO%20Spartans/IMG_7230.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BO%20Spartans/IMG_7232.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BO%20Spartans/IMG_7234.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on September 07, 2014, 12:11:28 AM
SWEEET!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on September 07, 2014, 12:16:15 AM
They look great.   :drool:   :drool:   :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 07, 2014, 12:36:19 AM
Its nice to give these parts a chance at a home.  Ive bought so many explorers and swiss champs to steel the middle layers out, it feels like a waste to have a huge bucket of new leftover parts.  I think I still have enough for another 50 or more spartans. I need to get creative though and think up something else to try. 

I could serrate one blade, but I couldnt decide if I would rather have the small or large blade serrated.  I think the large, but then im not sure.  I have some serrated 93mm blades in this BO batch and they turned out nice.  They are for a new dual blade configuration Im trying tonight. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Hyatt181 on September 07, 2014, 02:04:43 AM
So how do we get a black spartan?


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Post by: Reinier on September 07, 2014, 10:48:45 AM
The all black one looks awesome! You only need a Sharpie for the T&T :)
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Post by: Glofindel on September 07, 2014, 11:11:58 AM
sooooooo nice
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: nj2656 on September 07, 2014, 01:58:17 PM
The BO tools with the red scales looks great.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stealth007s on September 07, 2014, 02:02:24 PM
First BO SAK born today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom295/IMG_7183.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom295/IMG_7186.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom295/IMG_7193.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom295/IMG_7194.jpg)


It just amazes me how AWESOME this looks!¡!


Hopefully Terry's future son in law likes it too! :D 

If he doesn't, he will have wised he did :rofl: Just kidding, of course. Sucks to me that he's getting a Syph custom before I am though. I think I'll tease him a bit with it before I give it to him  >:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: AndyJF on September 07, 2014, 09:27:36 PM
Have you used a watch opening blade in any of your builds?.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 07, 2014, 10:01:52 PM
Have you used a watch opening blade in any of your builds?.

Nope, but as long as its pivot isnt some weird shape it should work fine.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 07, 2014, 10:34:07 PM
Here's a new one I've been wanting to build for awhile now. 

I give you...

The killer Bee!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom296/IMG_7259.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom296/IMG_7265.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom296/IMG_7248.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom296/IMG_7251.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom296/IMG_7280.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom296/IMG_7283.jpg)

This is my take on a bush/camping SAK.  I can get by without scissors if I have a good serrated blade.  So a dual blade setup with one serrated works well for me.

Config:
Awl / main blade
Saw
Serrated main / combo tool

- Corvette yellow cerakote
- BO'd tools and springs
- HAIII black alox liners
- Stainless BO'd keyring nub

Since it's something a bit different I was quite excited to get this together.  :D  Even my wife noticed and said, wow that one looks good!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on September 07, 2014, 10:45:38 PM
Your wife got it right. That is very nice!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Nhoj on September 07, 2014, 11:42:21 PM
Cool sak!
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Post by: WWW on September 07, 2014, 11:57:43 PM
I love the stormtrooper but I think I've got a new favorite!  :drool:

Fantastic work sir!!  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Raukodur on September 08, 2014, 12:27:11 AM
I think the name needs to be engraved into the side in black lettering. Because its just about as cool as the SAK itself.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on September 08, 2014, 05:04:39 AM
It actually reminds me of Bumblebee from transformers :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on September 08, 2014, 05:17:34 AM
It actually reminds me of Bumblebee from transformers :D
Lol, yeah really! Nice job Syph! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zigliss on September 08, 2014, 09:39:13 AM
Transformers Bumblebee......Stormtroopers.....my inner geek loves this site! :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syncop8r on September 08, 2014, 01:12:24 PM
Nice...looks more wasp yellow to me.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on September 08, 2014, 06:13:40 PM
First BO SAK born today.  :D


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom295/IMG_7186.jpg)


Just love the Reverse Oreo SAK!

 :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:
 :gimme: :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on September 08, 2014, 07:14:24 PM
First BO SAK born today.  :D


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom295/IMG_7186.jpg)


Just love the Reverse Oreo SAK!

 :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:
 :gimme: :gimme:
Lol, good one, a reverse Oreo, :tu: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ducttapetech on September 08, 2014, 07:45:26 PM
The inside out oreo looks, but that killer bee is bad ass!

Nate

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kahyja on September 09, 2014, 02:28:54 AM
Here's a new one I've been wanting to build for awhile now. 

I give you...

The killer Bee!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom296/IMG_7259.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom296/IMG_7265.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom296/IMG_7248.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom296/IMG_7251.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom296/IMG_7280.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom296/IMG_7283.jpg)

This is my take on a bush/camping SAK.  I can get by without scissors if I have a good serrated blade.  So a dual blade setup with one serrated works well for me.

Config:
Awl / main blade
Saw
Serrated main / combo tool

- Corvette yellow cerakote
- BO'd tools and springs
- HAIII black alox liners
- Stainless BO'd keyring nub

Since it's something a bit different I was quite excited to get this together.  :D  Even my wife noticed and said, wow that one looks good!
NICE :drool: :drool: Yes, great bushcraft setup and a color that will flash on the great outdoors :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MultiMat on September 09, 2014, 05:03:32 AM
Now if those 2 had BLACK CROSSES  :drool: :drool:.

Nice work 007  :salute: :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 10, 2014, 07:01:05 PM
If you were expecting to see a bunch more BO mods from me this week, you guessed right!

Single layer all black.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom297/IMG_7304.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom297/IMG_7308.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom297/IMG_7312.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 10, 2014, 07:02:02 PM
And... more BO. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom298/IMG_7322.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom298/IMG_7323.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom298/IMG_7315.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom298/IMG_7317.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom298/IMG_7319.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on September 10, 2014, 07:10:06 PM
If you were expecting to see a bunch more BO mods from me this week, you guessed right!

Single layer all black.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom297/IMG_7312.jpg)

Love the regular and Alox Bantam. This Bantam Ninja is  :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on September 10, 2014, 07:16:13 PM
And... more BO. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom298/IMG_7322.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom298/IMG_7323.jpg)

(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608041011449499087&pid=15.1&P=0)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on September 10, 2014, 11:15:38 PM
And... more BO. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom298/IMG_7322.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom298/IMG_7323.jpg)

(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608041011449499087&pid=15.1&P=0)


+1.   :drool:


That is just beautiful. I am really digging that one.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 11, 2014, 12:08:50 AM
Guess what... more BO!   :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom299/IMG_7335.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom299/IMG_7340.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom299/IMG_7349.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom250Plus/Custom299/IMG_7364.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 11, 2014, 12:51:40 AM
I snagged a set of white plus scales to build this for myself.  Kind of like a cellidor stormtrooper! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Cellidor%20Stormtrooper/IMG_7371.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Cellidor%20Stormtrooper/IMG_7376.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Cellidor%20Stormtrooper/IMG_7395.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Cellidor%20Stormtrooper/IMG_7402.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Cellidor%20Stormtrooper/IMG_7406.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on September 11, 2014, 12:53:54 AM
Excellent tool selection on the Orange alox.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on September 11, 2014, 12:58:32 AM
Excellent tool selection on the Orange alox.  :tu:

Agreed, me like!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: VictorLouis on September 11, 2014, 01:03:37 AM
Syph, are most of these beauties actual 'orders' you're fulfilling, or are they inventory that you can
sell? :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 11, 2014, 01:07:01 AM
Syph, are most of these beauties actual 'orders' you're fulfilling, or are they inventory that you can
sell? :drool:

All the alox were orders except the killer bee, that was just a fun one to put together.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 11, 2014, 02:07:14 AM
And.. I finished the massive peening fest on all the BO'd spartans and put up a sales thread here.

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=54518.msg947317#msg947317

I really dont want to peen anythign for a bit.  While it's not difficult, it was very monotonous work.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/SpartanFest/IMG_7447.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MultiMat on September 11, 2014, 02:36:59 AM
Some sexy SAKs Syphy  :drool: :salute: :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on September 11, 2014, 08:37:12 AM
I´m looking forward to a small black delivery....
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: VictorLouis on September 11, 2014, 07:02:38 PM
Ok, got it. Thanks.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 11, 2014, 10:21:31 PM
My 300th alox build today.  Yep you guessed it... more BO!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom300/IMG_7458.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom300/IMG_7461.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom300/IMG_7466.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom300/IMG_7472.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on September 11, 2014, 10:30:12 PM
That one looks a bit blurple. :D

Experimenting with new colors or is it just the lighting?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 11, 2014, 10:30:59 PM
I bet I would like a red scaled one with the BO tools :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 11, 2014, 11:01:13 PM
 :sak:
That one looks a bit blurple. :D

Experimenting with new colors or is it just the lighting?

Its the lighting.   Just about to rain I think.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on September 12, 2014, 02:23:31 AM
My 300th alox build today.  Yep you guessed it... more BO!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom300/IMG_7458.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom300/IMG_7461.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom300/IMG_7466.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom300/IMG_7472.jpg)
Excuse me while I     :drool:     :drool:     :drool:     :drool:     :drool:     :drool:     :drool:     .
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on September 12, 2014, 03:07:19 AM
Ohhh this black and blue is very nice.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ironraven on September 12, 2014, 03:41:28 AM
The orange and black is pretty close to perfect urban EDC, it wouldn't be out of place off the blacktop to.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stealth007s on September 14, 2014, 12:46:22 AM
I bet I would like a red scaled one with the BO tools :drool:

I think this will be my next one I get done to match my Mini Cooper. Love the work on these!¡!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on September 14, 2014, 12:10:59 PM
I still have to pinch myself that I won the TI Urban Pioneer that Syph is using as his avatar. It is crazy groovy and it is my constant companion. If you could baby a tool made of TI and steel, well it is happening here.

The thing is, I can't explain how great the sak is and the interesting backstory of how I won it without sounding like a complete maniac. I tried once and by the time I got to knife throwing, Canada, YouTube and 88 the listener was clearly lost. 

Lol
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on September 14, 2014, 01:20:55 PM
haha, I can just imagine the listener backing away slowly and trying to avoid eye contact.

(https://kristendperkins.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/tumblr_lmhwmhfzpa1qkkljxo1_400.gif)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cupboard on September 14, 2014, 03:55:26 PM
<3 Life on Mars
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 14, 2014, 04:19:16 PM
Since the BO spartans all sold in a few days Im going to run more in a week or so.  If anyone has any special BO requests let me know and I can include what you need.

The only thing different Im adding for myself is a complete set of workchamp parts.  I scored some black slide lock scales so I'm making an all black workchamp for fun.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 16, 2014, 06:11:26 PM
More black and blue today.  Farmer but with metal saw.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom301/IMG_7511.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom301/IMG_7515.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom301/IMG_7525.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom301/IMG_7530.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on September 16, 2014, 06:22:45 PM
That's not a farmer, it's a Metallurgist!

 :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 17, 2014, 12:00:40 AM
That's not a farmer, it's a Metallurgist!

 :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:

Good name!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 17, 2014, 12:04:11 AM
Here is today's project.  A big wide wenger and Vic alox custom.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom302/IMG_7590.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom302/IMG_7611.jpg)

It was quite a challenge to get the parts to fit well.  Luckily I was able to fit the thicker rivet side of the pliers into the empty space next to the phillips and everything just fits.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom302/IMG_7564.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom302/IMG_7550.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom302/IMG_7547.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom302/IMG_7557.jpg)

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 17, 2014, 12:05:53 AM
Nice beastly SAK Syph :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on September 17, 2014, 12:10:55 AM
Oh yeah thats a looker.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on September 17, 2014, 03:48:37 PM
A real monster that one. Incredible nonetheless.  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on September 18, 2014, 04:03:59 PM
A real monster!  It's a bit of a shame that it has the screwed Wenger scissors. I have found that they are a bit self destructive. The riveted ones seem to be longer lasting in my experience.

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cupboard on September 20, 2014, 12:32:10 AM
That's not a farmer, it's a Metallurgist!

 :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:

Good name!

Either that or a modern day farmer, come on to our farm and the only wood you'll find is in pallets. Workshop's just full of metalworking tools.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 25, 2014, 01:12:03 AM
I'll state for the record that I am not a big fan of G10 at all.  Its ok, but to me its just reinforced plastic and plastic on knives well just isn't my thing.  Which is why I love alox SAKs so much.  Swapping nickel silver or brass liners for plastic to me is a downgrade, but this is a relatively easy way to get colored liners without having to anodize Aluminum ones.

Now Ive had enough people ask me for G10 liners on alox mods over the last couple years that I finally caved and did a 3 color run of G10 liners for some people that wanted them and also as a curiosity and waterjet test of the material.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/G10%20Liners/IMG_7641.jpg)

I was really curious about delamination of G10 as its a problem with some materials and waterjet.  You can see here where the jet pierced the material the delamination was significant.  Unfortunately that means I could not cut the holes and could only get the profiles done. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/G10%20Liners/IMG_7643.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/G10%20Liners/IMG_7650.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/G10%20Liners/IMG_7651.jpg)

The orange liners I think would look pretty nice with HA black scales, so I do want to build one of those as a test.  I imagine if I wet sand the edges and then wipe with acetone that should give the waterjet edges a smooth look.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on September 25, 2014, 11:17:27 AM
Holes should be easy to do though since its quite soft so you could clamp few layers and drill in one go
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on September 28, 2014, 10:05:01 AM
Very nice!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on October 08, 2014, 09:27:09 PM
Since the BO spartans all sold in a few days Im going to run more in a week or so.

Thanks for making the BO Spartans.  This is now my EDC.  Great SAK.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 16, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
I tried some of the G10 liners, and Im not impressed at all.  I think my initial instinct not to use G10 for liner material was correct, now I wish I didnt waste money on having them waterjet.  :D  The problem is its not a very rigid material compared to metals and well, its plastic so it's really a downgrade to a nice alox SAK in my opinion.

So... I was back today working with my favorite liner material, brass!  Black hard anodized scales paired with polished brass liners is the best way to go for a high end finish.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom308/IMG_7866.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom308/IMG_7876.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom308/IMG_7880.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom308/IMG_7886.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom308/IMG_7906.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom308/IMG_7925.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom308/IMG_7940.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 16, 2014, 12:13:13 AM
 :tu: beautiful job Syph! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on October 16, 2014, 12:32:21 PM
This model is one of my favourites! Nice work!

 :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 17, 2014, 02:58:13 AM
Since the BO spartans all sold in a few days Im going to run more in a week or so. 


My BO parts and black alox 91 liners are ready for tomorrow pickup, so I'll have 10 more blacked out spartans and 10 blacked out campers available later in the week.  The campers I made with wood saw layers from swisschamps so they have the chisel on the back as well.

Cheers
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 17, 2014, 10:43:22 PM
Got my parts! :D Last time I built the blacked out mods I had piles of parts and that was annoying to sort through so this time I bought some extra storage bins to help parts sort.  I put all the parts needed to build a SAK in one compartment.  So now I just have to do a bunch of peening over the next week and they're good to go.  :tu:

2 bins of spartans and 2 of campers.

It feels good to use up the extra parts that werent getting any love.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_7953.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_7949.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_7948.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 18, 2014, 08:51:24 PM
Some more yellow cerakote today.  This one is fully decked out in brass.  I made the liners, keyring nub, phillips spacers and spacer for the electricans blade all from nicely polished brass. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom309/IMG_7956.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom309/IMG_7959.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom309/IMG_7965.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom309/IMG_7967.jpg)
 
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom309/IMG_7968.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom309/IMG_7976.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom309/IMG_7985.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom309/IMG_7997.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on October 19, 2014, 05:52:57 AM
Nice one Syph :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 19, 2014, 06:08:45 AM
Nice one Syph :tu:
+1, just yellow is so not my color, I told my father the same when he bought a yellow Fj cruser, just not your color! But still a very nice job! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tomcat on October 19, 2014, 02:00:36 PM
dumb question I know, but what does 'BO' stand for??

really lovely work there by the way, have been lurking and watching this thread (and wondering what I'll eventually order) for ages :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on October 19, 2014, 02:01:49 PM
dumb question I know, but what does 'BO' stand for??

really lovely work there by the way, have been lurking and watching this thread (and wondering what I'll eventually order) for ages :D

Black Oxide. The black finish on the tool.

Welcome to the forum. :waving:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tomcat on October 19, 2014, 02:03:19 PM
Ha! should've guessed! thanks :)

Great to be here ^_^
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ironraven on October 19, 2014, 02:40:59 PM
That yellow would look amazing with BO liners!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on October 19, 2014, 03:43:03 PM
That yellow looks happy and friendly. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cupboard on October 19, 2014, 04:47:11 PM
dumb question I know, but what does 'BO' stand for??

really lovely work there by the way, have been lurking and watching this thread (and wondering what I'll eventually order) for ages :D

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bo

HTH, HAND ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 19, 2014, 10:27:02 PM
dumb question I know, but what does 'BO' stand for??

really lovely work there by the way, have been lurking and watching this thread (and wondering what I'll eventually order) for ages :D

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bo

HTH, HAND ;)

:D  That kind wouldnt have much value though! :D

But yes, black oxide is often shortformed to BO. 

It's Fe3O4, (magnetite).  As a interesting aside, if you watch gold rush, when they talk about the 'black sand' that is mixed with find gold, thats the same stuff, magnetite.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on October 19, 2014, 10:28:50 PM
dumb question I know, but what does 'BO' stand for??

really lovely work there by the way, have been lurking and watching this thread (and wondering what I'll eventually order) for ages :D

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bo

HTH, HAND ;)

:D  That kind wouldnt have much value though! :D

But yes, black oxide is often shortformed to BO. 

It's Fe3O4, (magnetite).  As a interesting aside, if you watch gold rush, when they talk about the 'black sand' that is mixed with find gold, thats the same stuff, magnetite.   :tu:
Ah cool, I did not know that.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tomcat on October 21, 2014, 01:28:24 PM
dumb question I know, but what does 'BO' stand for??

really lovely work there by the way, have been lurking and watching this thread (and wondering what I'll eventually order) for ages :D

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bo

HTH, HAND ;)

:D  That kind wouldnt have much value though! :D

But yes, black oxide is often shortformed to BO. 

It's Fe3O4, (magnetite).  As a interesting aside, if you watch gold rush, when they talk about the 'black sand' that is mixed with find gold, thats the same stuff, magnetite.   :tu:
Ah cool, I did not know that.  :tu:

me neither! very cool.

Now i'm having a read about how anodising allows dyeing of the surface :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 21, 2014, 09:21:16 PM
More brass and cerakote today  :tu: 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom310/IMG_8009.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom310/IMG_8011.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom310/IMG_8014.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom310/IMG_8016.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom310/IMG_8037.jpg)

I swear someday I'll get caught up on the standard mods then come up with some new stuff.  Locking Ti liners is for sure next when I get time.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on October 21, 2014, 11:07:39 PM
That orange is just gorgeous and its a nice tool load :tu: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on October 22, 2014, 01:50:03 AM
Very nice. That orange is :drool:.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ironraven on October 23, 2014, 01:36:26 AM
Can you do patterns in your Cerakote?

That orange has me thinking of tigers' stripes!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 23, 2014, 02:13:31 AM
Can you do patterns in your Cerakote?

That orange has me thinking of tigers' stripes!

Jeff Forbush is my cerakote guy, and Ive seen him do things like that.  Camo patterns and stripes, but I haven't asked him to try yet.

Funny thing you mentioned tiger stripes.  Ive been looking for a good vector file to have some vinyl masks cut to use in Ti anodizing, to get a tiger stripe effect.  I know a sign maker that has a large vinyl cutter and he said I just need to supply him the vector file.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on October 23, 2014, 02:19:05 AM
Can you do patterns in your Cerakote?

That orange has me thinking of tigers' stripes!

Jeff Forbush is my cerakote guy, and Ive seen him do things like that.  Camo patterns and stripes, but I haven't asked him to try yet.

Funny thing you mentioned tiger stripes.  Ive been looking for a good vector file to have some vinyl masks cut to use in Ti anodizing, to get a tiger stripe effect.  I know a sign maker that has a large vinyl cutter and he said I just need to supply him the vector file.  :D

I have been wanting a digital camo alox for about two years now.  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on October 23, 2014, 02:34:21 AM
Can you do patterns in your Cerakote?

That orange has me thinking of tigers' stripes!

Jeff Forbush is my cerakote guy, and Ive seen him do things like that.  Camo patterns and stripes, but I haven't asked him to try yet.

Funny thing you mentioned tiger stripes.  Ive been looking for a good vector file to have some vinyl masks cut to use in Ti anodizing, to get a tiger stripe effect.  I know a sign maker that has a large vinyl cutter and he said I just need to supply him the vector file.  :D

I have been wanting a digital camo alox for about two years now.  :drool:

That would be super sweet.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 23, 2014, 10:41:55 PM
I finished my marathon peening session today and listed the BO'd spartans and campers if anyone was wanting those.  It seems like a simple enough task but peening up 20 SAKs in one go is a looooong process.  :D

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,55313.0.html

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/BO%20Spartans/IMG_8099.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/BO%20Spartans/IMG_8100.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/BO%20Spartans/IMG_8123.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/BO%20Spartans/IMG_8125.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/BO%20Spartans/IMG_8137.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/BO%20Spartans/IMG_8141.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on October 23, 2014, 10:57:36 PM
What, no fish scalers?  :rofl:

mmm, those campers look nice.  I can almost see one of then with a set of green canvas micarta scales.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 23, 2014, 11:01:01 PM
What, no fish scalers?  :rofl:

Hmm I COULD have added those yes.. BUT I dont think it was worth the extra few bucks to have more parts BO'd and liners anodized.  In the last 3 years I can only remember using one on an alox mod 1 time, and one other time on a cellidor mod.

I'll throw in a couple for next time and make some BO'd fishermen type SAKs.  :D  Or maybe I can call them panel punch tools and say they are for electricians?  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on October 23, 2014, 11:03:26 PM
How about sharpening them from one side to get a self made rescue blade? 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 23, 2014, 11:06:46 PM
I have a feeling its not the same steel they use in the blades and wouldnt hold much of an edge... but maybe?   I made one into a long spike / awl once with a hole in the end and took off the bottom prong, but it was still too thin to be sturdy.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on October 23, 2014, 11:35:00 PM
I still think you could shift a few on a fishing forum.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bmot on October 23, 2014, 11:38:20 PM
I still think you could shift a few on a fishing forum.


Call it a "tactical Swiss hook dislodger" :P :P
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on October 24, 2014, 06:11:16 AM
I still think you could shift a few on a fishing forum.


Call it a "tactical Swiss hook dislodger" :P :P

Will that remove the hook from the back of my Climber?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ducttapetech on October 24, 2014, 01:47:35 PM
I still think you could shift a few on a fishing forum.


Call it a "tactical Swiss hook dislodger" :P :P

Will that remove the hook from the back of my Climber?
Negative. The Tactical Swiss hook dislodger, can not take out a Tactical Assault Parcel Hook.

Nate

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on October 24, 2014, 07:09:12 PM
I still think you could shift a few on a fishing forum.


Call it a "tactical Swiss hook dislodger" :P :P

Will that remove the hook from the back of my Climber?
Negative. The Tactical Swiss hook dislodger, can not take out a Tactical Assault Parcel Hook.

Nate

Yeah, those things are TAPH!
 :whistle:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 29, 2014, 06:34:31 PM
Today's work was on a big alox monster with brass liners.   :whistle:

I like to use long brass rods for fitups before I use the finished scales or tools.  All the Vic parts in this picture are all from my fit up parts and are ones that used solely for fitups.  I dont use the same tools I will deliver on a custom so they remain in perfect condition until final assembly. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8245.jpg)

The springs and liners are the only finished part I am making at this stage.  Here is what the back looks like before I work on the springs.  Notice the custom spring I make is not finished at this stage.  It actually sits proud of the other springs and I grind it flush and then finish all springs at that time.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8248.jpg)

The result is a nice uniform looking back, with my custom spring blending right into the stock springs.  I polish them all the same along with the liners for a high end fit and finish.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8353.jpg)

Understandably I get alot of people asking to buy springs from me for the scissors layer, but I dont sell them since they arent ready to use as is.  I finish them as part of the build, so that is why they are not a ready to go part.

Here is the big blue monster all finished up.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8342.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8344.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8352.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8363.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8378.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8380.jpg)

Cheers!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on October 29, 2014, 07:35:49 PM
That is about as close to a perfect tool layout in a SAK I could ask for.  :drool:


Could you PM me what that would cost me just for future reference.  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on October 29, 2014, 07:48:05 PM

Today's work was on a big alox monster with brass liners.   :whistle:

I like to use long brass rods for fitups before I use the finished scales or tools.  All the Vic parts in this picture are all from my fit up parts and are ones that used solely for fitups.  I dont use the same tools I will deliver on a custom so they remain in perfect condition until final assembly. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8245.jpg)

The springs and liners are the only finished part I am making at this stage.  Here is what the back looks like before I work on the springs.  Notice the custom spring I make is not finished at this stage.  It actually sits proud of the other springs and I grind it flush and then finish all springs at that time.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8248.jpg)

The result is a nice uniform looking back, with my custom spring blending right into the stock springs.  I polish them all the same along with the liners for a high end fit and finish.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8353.jpg)

Understandably I get alot of people asking to buy springs from me for the scissors layer, but I dont sell them since they arent ready to use as is.  I finish them as part of the build, so that is why they are not a ready to go part.

Here is the big blue monster all finished up.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8342.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8344.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8352.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8363.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8378.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom313/IMG_8380.jpg)

Cheers!
:drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 29, 2014, 09:07:12 PM
Beauty as usual syph! Good job :tu: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on October 30, 2014, 01:15:46 AM
Thanks for sharing part of the process, I really liked it.  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on October 30, 2014, 02:54:15 AM
Really enjoy your work
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on October 30, 2014, 07:10:19 PM
Wow! Amazing work as usual sir! :salute:

Add a file to it and market it as the SyphChamp!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 31, 2014, 10:40:10 PM
Pioneer + wood saw configuration! Why hasn't Vic thought of this one!  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom314/IMG_8431.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jerseydevil on November 01, 2014, 12:15:35 AM
Pioneer + wood saw configuration! Why hasn't Vic thought of this one!  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom314/IMG_8431.jpg)

 :D  That sounds like a useful tool loadout.  What are you going to call it?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sir_mike on November 01, 2014, 01:23:50 AM
I wonder that with the scissors too!  :)  Very nice job on the blue one and a symphchamp would be great!!!   :drool:


Pioneer + wood saw configuration! Why hasn't Vic thought of this one!  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom314/IMG_8431.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 01, 2014, 01:41:06 AM
Pioneer + wood saw configuration! Why hasn't Vic thought of this one!  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom314/IMG_8431.jpg)

 :D  That sounds like a useful tool loadout.  What are you going to call it?

Hmmm tough call.  If I was following cellidor naming conventions this would be a pioneer camper.  If it was up to me though... I like Pioneer Homesteader! :D  Or maybe a homesteader might need scissors too... hmmm  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tomcat on November 02, 2014, 11:14:45 AM
That is about as close to a perfect tool layout in a SAK I could ask for.  :drool:


Could you PM me what that would cost me just for future reference.  :salute:

Same here, would be most grateful if you could PM me- I think that's the tool layout I want eventually though I haven't decided which scales and liners etc

 :climber: :drool: :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 03, 2014, 08:12:20 PM
Time to make up more 0.005" phosphor bronze washers.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/Washer%20%20Making/20141103_131529.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/Washer%20%20Making/20141103_132803.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/Washer%20%20Making/20141103_133138.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/Washer%20%20Making/20141103_133635.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/Washer%20%20Making/20141103_133919.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/Washer%20%20Making/20141103_133944.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/Washer%20%20Making/20141103_134036.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: neillcurrie on November 03, 2014, 08:53:37 PM
Nice to see the technique.
Doesn't it work out cheaper to buy them though, factoring in your time etc? For example:
http://www.seastrom-mfg.com/washerresults.aspx?pl=round+flat+washers&pc=washers,+flat+round&qs=5720&sp=wb_getallwasherdetailsbylinecatpnp&ct=5720:++Phosphor+Bronze+Round+Flat+Washer
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 03, 2014, 08:59:21 PM
Nice to see the technique.
Doesn't it work out cheaper to buy them though, factoring in your time etc? For example:
http://www.seastrom-mfg.com/washerresults.aspx?pl=round+flat+washers&pc=washers,+flat+round&qs=5720&sp=wb_getallwasherdetailsbylinecatpnp&ct=5720:++Phosphor+Bronze+Round+Flat+Washer

They dont have the size I need, but if they were cheap enough maybe.  I need ID 0.125, OD 0.300 and thickness 0.005.  A whole sheet of this is only a few dollars and time to make is maybe 20 minutes for quite a few (40 something in this case) so a few pennies per washer and 30 seconds of time (20 minutes for 40). 

I buy sheets in 0.005, 0.010. 0.015 0.020 in phosphor bronze, nickel silver and brass so that I can make whatever type and size of washer I need when I need it.  It works out fine as long as I make lots at once.  It would not be a good use of time to only make enough for whatever SAK I was building at the time.

I used to buy them from usaknifemaker, but I still had to turn down the OD anyhow, so now its just as easy to make them from sheet stock.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on November 03, 2014, 10:06:55 PM
this is what make your built brilliant. :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 04, 2014, 07:28:24 PM
Any guesses as to what the hell im making with a potato masher and zip ties?   :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=133268;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on November 04, 2014, 07:29:52 PM
Some sort of rack to hold parts while you dip them.  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on November 04, 2014, 07:33:30 PM
Some sort of rack to hold parts while you dip them.  :think:

Using the zip ties to have them upright and fully covered by the "dip"?...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 04, 2014, 08:11:01 PM
Ah you guys guessed.  :D  I guess maybe it was more obvious than I thought.

My old system was just to use a flat spatula but the scales would fall off if I wasn't careful.  I wanted to stand them on edge so the stripping solution can get access to both sides and get a nice even removal of the anodize.

The plastic cage keeps them upright and held on there.  The potato masher style makes it easier to dunk then the spatula.

I've got a few to get going.  I was nice and stocked up on all the colors but im about out of blue and green.  :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=133270;image)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=133272;image)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=133274;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on November 04, 2014, 08:44:47 PM
Good idea. Looks like you have some work ahead of you with all those scales.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on November 04, 2014, 09:44:41 PM
Any guesses as to what the hell im making with a potato masher and zip ties?   :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=133268;image)
Damn, I thought it's to slip in your shoes for better traction in icy conditions :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: murrydan on November 05, 2014, 06:34:57 PM
I love the fact that these impeccable knives are made with potato mashers and zip ties.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 05, 2014, 10:35:47 PM
I have been giving the USPS a big thumbs up so far, since over the last 3 years of shipping out SAKs to the US, none gone lost or damaged... until last week!    >:(

It looks like someone bloody stabbed the package, or swung a pickaxe?  Is that standard USPS procedure? We like to take a few swings with a pickaxe into the mail just to see what happens....

The customer was happy to swap scales himself to repair the problem so I shipped him out an new set of scales and he is happy. 

I guess I shouldn't complain about 1 damaged package in 3 yrs, but wtf...

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=133388;image)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=133390;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: TazzieRob on November 05, 2014, 10:44:01 PM
That's unfortunate
Did they put it on an Air Canada plane :facepalm:? Still a good record to only have one damaged item, and still none lost in all those you've sent out.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on November 05, 2014, 10:51:46 PM
I have been giving the USPS a big thumbs up so far, since over the last 3 years of shipping out SAKs to the US, none gone lost or damaged... until last week!    >:(

It looks like someone bloody stabbed the package, or swung a pickaxe?  Is that standard USPS procedure? We like to take a few swings with a pickaxe into the mail just to see what happens....

The customer was happy to swap scales himself to repair the problem so I shipped him out an new set of scales and he is happy. 

I guess I shouldn't complain about 1 damaged package in 3 yrs, but wtf...

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=133388;image)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=133390;image)
Probably took a bullet and saved the mailmans life :P
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 05, 2014, 11:08:02 PM
I have been giving the USPS a big thumbs up so far, since over the last 3 years of shipping out SAKs to the US, none gone lost or damaged... until last week!    >:(

It looks like someone bloody stabbed the package, or swung a pickaxe?  Is that standard USPS procedure? We like to take a few swings with a pickaxe into the mail just to see what happens....

The customer was happy to swap scales himself to repair the problem so I shipped him out an new set of scales and he is happy. 

I guess I shouldn't complain about 1 damaged package in 3 yrs, but wtf...

Probably took a bullet and saved the mailmans life :P

Ha! That would be a much better story. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: whill44 on November 06, 2014, 12:24:30 AM
I have been giving the USPS a big thumbs up so far, since over the last 3 years of shipping out SAKs to the US, none gone lost or damaged... until last week!    >:(

It looks like someone bloody stabbed the package, or swung a pickaxe?  Is that standard USPS procedure? We like to take a few swings with a pickaxe into the mail just to see what happens....

The customer was happy to swap scales himself to repair the problem so I shipped him out an new set of scales and he is happy. 

I guess I shouldn't complain about 1 damaged package in 3 yrs, but wtf...

Probably took a bullet and saved the mailmans life :P

Ha! That would be a much better story. :D

Hey, I'm that guy!! I'm very happy indeed. When I first noticed that mark I thought to myself maybe I can live with it, after all this knife was to be a user. A replacement for a well worn red cadet. But there was just something about it that bothered me. You know new knife and all. Anyway Syph007 immediately offered to make it right even though it wasn't his fault. The man will have more of my business as soon as I can save the cash for my next mod. I been very busy but will get some pics up as soon as I'm able. In the mean time I'm carrying this beautiful tool every day at work and loving it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 06, 2014, 03:47:40 AM
I have been giving the USPS a big thumbs up so far, since over the last 3 years of shipping out SAKs to the US, none gone lost or damaged... until last week!    >:(

It looks like someone bloody stabbed the package, or swung a pickaxe?  Is that standard USPS procedure? We like to take a few swings with a pickaxe into the mail just to see what happens....

The customer was happy to swap scales himself to repair the problem so I shipped him out an new set of scales and he is happy. 

I guess I shouldn't complain about 1 damaged package in 3 yrs, but wtf...

Probably took a bullet and saved the mailmans life :P

Ha! That would be a much better story. :D

Hey, I'm that guy!! I'm very happy indeed. When I first noticed that mark I thought to myself maybe I can live with it, after all this knife was to be a user. A replacement for a well worn red cadet. But there was just something about it that bothered me. You know new knife and all. Anyway Syph007 immediately offered to make it right even though it wasn't his fault. The man will have more of my business as soon as I can save the cash for my next mod. I been very busy but will get some pics up as soon as I'm able. In the mean time I'm carrying this beautiful tool every day at work and loving it.

Hey welcome to the forum. :D  Hope you dont mind me using your pics, I wanted to show the damage that poor SAK endured.  I got to all this effort to polish everything and the post office goes and does that! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: whill44 on November 06, 2014, 04:04:36 AM
Hope you dont mind me using your pics, I wanted to show the damage that poor SAK endured.  I got to all this effort to polish everything and the post office goes and does that! :D
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I don't mind at all. The polish still looks great and the quality shines through. I'll tell you I wasn't sure about the size difference from a cadet to the pioneer but the scissors make all the difference.  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 06, 2014, 07:52:11 PM
Project potato masher worked great! :D

Sorry for the crumby cell phone pic, but you get the idea. 62 naked SAK scales!  :-[

They are going for black/blue/gray.  I had 10 sets of gray ages ago and rarely they were asked for, but recently Ive had alot of requests.  Also what is interesting to me is red used to be the most popular but now it is black by a wide margin.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=133425;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jrp316 on November 06, 2014, 08:22:26 PM
Also what is interesting to me is red used to be the most popular but now it is black by a wide margin.

There you have it, folks. Black is the new black.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 09, 2014, 08:22:58 PM
Someone wanted a dual blade BO setup with serrations so I got to do that config again. :D

He was ok with a non BO'd metal saw, but it does bug my OCD a tiny bit. :D  I tried BOing a new style one and it didnt turn out, the old ones work fine though but arent as good of a file. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom316/IMG_8594.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom316/IMG_8599.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom316/IMG_8603.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom316/IMG_8611.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom316/IMG_8616.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: TazzieRob on November 10, 2014, 01:12:19 PM
These BO tools with coloured alox scales make me think of sports cars with black alloy wheels. Not really my thing, but very nicely done. I still may commission something from Syph yet. The black scales with red liners and standard ss tools is  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 12, 2014, 06:43:07 PM
I'll state for the record that I am not a big fan of G10 at all.  Its ok, but to me its just reinforced plastic and plastic on knives well just isn't my thing.  Which is why I love alox SAKs so much.  Swapping nickel silver or brass liners for plastic to me is a downgrade, but this is a relatively easy way to get colored liners without having to anodize Aluminum ones.

Now Ive had enough people ask me for G10 liners on alox mods over the last couple years that I finally caved and did a 3 color run of G10 liners for some people that wanted them and also as a curiosity and waterjet test of the material.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/G10%20Liners/IMG_7641.jpg)

I was really curious about delamination of G10 as its a problem with some materials and waterjet.  You can see here where the jet pierced the material the delamination was significant.  Unfortunately that means I could not cut the holes and could only get the profiles done. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/G10%20Liners/IMG_7643.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/G10%20Liners/IMG_7650.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/G10%20Liners/IMG_7651.jpg)

The orange liners I think would look pretty nice with HA black scales, so I do want to build one of those as a test.  I imagine if I wet sand the edges and then wipe with acetone that should give the waterjet edges a smooth look.

So this was the biggest waste of money since I started modding.  I dont like G10 at all, and I knew I didnt, but I had to go do it didnt I.   :facepalm:   

Since they are a loss overall as I think I paid $3 per cut, and I have no use for them, if anyone wants any you can have them cheap.  Let me know if interested.  I like metal liners and will stick to those.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on November 12, 2014, 07:17:32 PM
Well at least now you know. Mistakes are the best way to learn.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rickinFL on November 12, 2014, 07:46:23 PM
Are they .40? 
How do you line them up for holes?  I've always predrilled mine and shaped using liner/spring.  I think I have a set of ti that you may have cut along with birds head and I've been wanting to drill the drills but a bit intimidated and would hate to ruin them. 

Did you cut the birds head as well?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 12, 2014, 08:26:56 PM
Are they .40? 
How do you line them up for holes?  I've always predrilled mine and shaped using liner/spring.  I think I have a set of ti that you may have cut along with birds head and I've been wanting to drill the drills but a bit intimidated and would hate to ruin them. 

Did you cut the birds head as well?

Yep they are 0.040".  I only had these cut not the spacers for the blade tip.

Yes putting holes in liners are a pain!  Here is how to do it though. Yout need to make what I would call a drilling jig board. 

Use a stack of 3 or more stock liners as the template and clamp them to the fattest end first and use those as a guide to make the first hole.

Once you have a hole in that end, you put a dowel pin (or broken drill bit) through that hole and the templates and mount that on a board.  Then you carefully drill 2 more holes in the board not the liners, to hold the liners overs the part to be drilled with just a tad of tenstion so they dont move.  Then drill the last 2 holes.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=133701;image)


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rickinFL on November 12, 2014, 10:24:09 PM
Very cool system.  Once again go above and beyond to help.  As always, much appreciated sir.

I will be able to use broken bits.  Not sure how they last you so long but 15 or so cuts is all I can manage before I hear that tear generating crack.  I am sure there is far too much vibration in my press.  Need to bolt that sucker down one of these days.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 15, 2014, 12:11:21 AM
Ok here is a picture blast of today's work... :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom318/IMG_8779.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom318/IMG_8782.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom318/IMG_8784.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom318/IMG_8795.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom318/IMG_8804.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on November 15, 2014, 12:13:06 AM
Another beauty syph! :tu: JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 15, 2014, 12:13:38 AM
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom319/IMG_8745.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom319/IMG_8748.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom319/IMG_8753.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom319/IMG_8760.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom319/IMG_8767.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 15, 2014, 12:13:58 AM
This one has a whole pile of tools.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom320/IMG_8663.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom320/IMG_8686.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom320/IMG_8693.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom320/IMG_8707.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom320/IMG_8722.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom320/IMG_8726.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom320/IMG_8729.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on November 15, 2014, 12:18:41 AM
I'd say! Just swap out the pruner for the can opener, and the awl for a file and you got the Pharmber! Nice job! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sir_mike on November 15, 2014, 12:35:26 AM
I'd say! Just swap out the pruner for the can opener, and the awl for a file and you got the Pharmber! Nice job! JR

That would be a nice setup for sure!  I would carry it!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on November 15, 2014, 12:43:33 AM
I'd say! Just swap out the pruner for the can opener, and the awl for a file and you got the Pharmber! Nice job! JR

That would be a nice setup for sure!  I would carry it!
It is, I carry it. Hey Syph remember this one? She's the best!! JR
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/mrssabrina/DSC01947_zps425db723.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 15, 2014, 12:45:32 AM
I'd say! Just swap out the pruner for the can opener, and the awl for a file and you got the Pharmber! Nice job! JR

That would be a nice setup for sure!  I would carry it!
It is, I carry it. Hey Syph remember this one? She's the best!! JR
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/mrssabrina/DSC01947_zps425db723.jpg)

Glad it's still going strong!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on November 15, 2014, 12:51:37 AM
Gosh Syph007, I can look at pictures of your customs all day.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on November 15, 2014, 03:01:44 AM
Great work on those Syph :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on November 19, 2014, 11:09:02 PM
Very nice work Syph...really like the pruner blade.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: J.G. on November 21, 2014, 11:12:10 AM
I just finnished reading all the posts ( took me 2 days ) ::)

Great work Syph!! Very beautifull SAK"s, I love them all!!

It was really interesting to see your progress and experimenting with different options, procceses and tools. Loved to see how you start doing more and more yourself.

Keep it up! You're a excellent craftsman! :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 21, 2014, 07:20:46 PM
I just finnished reading all the posts ( took me 2 days ) ::)

Great work Syph!! Very beautifull SAK"s, I love them all!!

It was really interesting to see your progress and experimenting with different options, procceses and tools. Loved to see how you start doing more and more yourself.

Keep it up! You're a excellent craftsman! :salute:

Whoa! Thats some dedication to read through 3 years of this topic. :D 

I got some new alox mods coming next month to freshen things up a bit too, so keep reading.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on November 21, 2014, 07:27:48 PM
I just finnished reading all the posts ( took me 2 days ) ::)

Great work Syph!! Very beautifull SAK"s, I love them all!!

It was really interesting to see your progress and experimenting with different options, procceses and tools. Loved to see how you start doing more and more yourself.

Keep it up! You're a excellent craftsman! :salute:

Whoa! Thats some dedication to read through 3 years of this topic. :D 

I got some new alox mods coming next month to freshen things up a bit too, so keep reading.   :tu:
Well, it has been read over 180'000 times so thats many people crawling through this goldmine. :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: J.G. on November 21, 2014, 07:30:13 PM
I just finnished reading all the posts ( took me 2 days ) ::)

Great work Syph!! Very beautifull SAK"s, I love them all!!

It was really interesting to see your progress and experimenting with different options, procceses and tools. Loved to see how you start doing more and more yourself.

Keep it up! You're a excellent craftsman! :salute:

Whoa! Thats some dedication to read through 3 years of this topic. :D 

I got some new alox mods coming next month to freshen things up a bit too, so keep reading.   :tu:

As long as you keep making these awesome SAK's I'll keep reading. :salute:
Can't wait to see your next mod!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on November 21, 2014, 11:13:57 PM
Still waiting on Alox 91mm scales :pok: :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on November 21, 2014, 11:20:57 PM
Still waiting on Alox 91mm scales :pok: :pok:
I can only add :pok: :pok: :pok: :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: El Rago on November 22, 2014, 09:17:48 AM
me too

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 22, 2014, 12:04:28 PM
Still waiting on Alox 91mm scales :pok: :pok:
I can only add :pok: :pok: :pok: :D

 :whistle:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on November 22, 2014, 04:37:54 PM
^^^hey you GET ON IT!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tomcat on November 23, 2014, 08:25:55 AM
I just finnished reading all the posts ( took me 2 days ) ::)

Great work Syph!! Very beautifull SAK"s, I love them all!!

It was really interesting to see your progress and experimenting with different options, procceses and tools. Loved to see how you start doing more and more yourself.

Keep it up! You're a excellent craftsman! :salute:

Whoa! Thats some dedication to read through 3 years of this topic. :D 

I got some new alox mods coming next month to freshen things up a bit too, so keep reading.   :tu:

As long as you keep making these awesome SAK's I'll keep reading. :salute:
Can't wait to see your next mod!

Ooh I did that a few months back! utterly fascinating :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 24, 2014, 06:20:51 PM
I just finnished reading all the posts ( took me 2 days ) ::)

Great work Syph!! Very beautifull SAK"s, I love them all!!

It was really interesting to see your progress and experimenting with different options, procceses and tools. Loved to see how you start doing more and more yourself.

Keep it up! You're a excellent craftsman! :salute:

Whoa! Thats some dedication to read through 3 years of this topic. :D 

I got some new alox mods coming next month to freshen things up a bit too, so keep reading.   :tu:

As long as you keep making these awesome SAK's I'll keep reading. :salute:
Can't wait to see your next mod!

Ooh I did that a few months back! utterly fascinating :D

I used to do the same for other threads when I was an office worker.  Sometimes when you're stuck in a cubicle dreaming about not being stuck in a cubicle, reading long threads is a good distraction.  :D

Ive got 2 new mod offerings being worked on right now, but Im waiting on parts to come back before i show what I've been up to.  The wait is killing me though as I cant wait to get started on some new ideas!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Hyatt181 on November 24, 2014, 07:12:33 PM
Sure I finally settle on a knife from you and your making something new.


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on November 24, 2014, 07:54:46 PM
Ive got 2 new mod offerings being worked on right now, but Im waiting on parts to come back before i show what I've been up to.  The wait is killing me though as I cant wait to get started on some new ideas!

You think it's killing you? What about us poor smurfs who don't even know what it is! :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on November 24, 2014, 08:57:03 PM
Ive got 2 new mod offerings being worked on right now, but Im waiting on parts to come back before i show what I've been up to.  The wait is killing me though as I cant wait to get started on some new ideas!

You think it's killing you? What about us poor smurfs who don't even know what it is! :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
I hope I know what it is :ahhh, don't think that makes it easier :ahhh I even might be wrong :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 24, 2014, 09:22:05 PM
Well I should have the first set of parts back in a couple weeks.  :D

Today I was trying to use up all the spare parts from 84mm SAKs I had sitting around.  I had a pair of 84mm scissors that were really abused and ones I used as a template to cut down 91mm scissors.

I wish I took before shots, as I rehabbed the scissors today and they are beautiful.  They had the screw before, I drilled it out, then cleaned and polished each half, sharpened each piece and rivetted together.  I recycled a brass pin from a 58mm SAK and it was a perfect fit.  They cut as good as new 91mm scissors now, and much better than any stock 84mm scissors I have ever seen.  The screw style scissors just seemed to get too loose I think.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_8912.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_8911.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on November 24, 2014, 10:07:27 PM
nice. I really like the brass rivet
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 25, 2014, 06:14:28 PM
Here are the scissors deployed on a cadet.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom325/IMG_8936.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom325/IMG_8939.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom325/IMG_8950.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom325/IMG_8954.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom325/IMG_8955.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Pignut71 on November 25, 2014, 07:10:52 PM
Sweeeeet! Looks awesome. Great work as usual.


Sent using my chubby fingers...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on November 25, 2014, 07:26:46 PM
Nice one Syph! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: TazzieRob on November 25, 2014, 08:27:37 PM
 :gimme: :gimme: :gimme: :gimme:

Looks awesome. I EDC a Cadet and scissors would make it damn near perfect.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: BCNZ on November 27, 2014, 11:43:04 PM
My custom alox from Syph showed up a couple of days ago (very impressed, the photos posted here don't do it justice).  I've been following this thread for the last year or so and the knifes arrival got me interested in looking again at how he goes about making them, so I did a quick re-read through the thread over the last couple of days. 
Wondering whatever happened to the BO Workchamp parts you got done?  Did you ever assemble them?  Also did you ever make a sak with those 111mm alox scales you made?

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 28, 2014, 02:50:17 PM
My custom alox from Syph showed up a couple of days ago (very impressed, the photos posted here don't do it justice).  I've been following this thread for the last year or so and the knifes arrival got me interested in looking again at how he goes about making them, so I did a quick re-read through the thread over the last couple of days. 
Wondering whatever happened to the BO Workchamp parts you got done?  Did you ever assemble them?  Also did you ever make a sak with those 111mm alox scales you made?

Glad you are happy with the SAK!

I started a few 111mm projects but havent finished any yet, but as soon as I get a free day I'll try to fit the 111mm alox scales on something.  The T&T slots need tweaking to work, which is why I wasnt super excited to do it, but will get around to it.

I forgot to send the workchamp liners for black alox, so I need to get those done before I can build a blackout one.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on November 28, 2014, 06:41:06 PM
Can't wait to see what you cook up.
:popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 03, 2014, 11:30:13 PM
Working in wenger land today, well one wenger and a delemont.  I'm merging 2 models and BOing the parts, and doing the liners in black anodize.

There are alot of little liner bits that are not aluminum so I'll have to reproduce those in Al in order to have them anodized.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOWenger/IMG_9094.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOWenger/IMG_9101.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOWenger/IMG_9102.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rickinFL on December 03, 2014, 11:37:52 PM
I owned the cigar cutter for about an hour when it arrived.  Tried it once and sent it back asap.  Horrible.  I much prefer the Vic cutter. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on December 03, 2014, 11:40:09 PM
Have you tried dry assembling them? Do the layers fit over one other or have the pins on the Delemont moved to Vic positions? I see they use new liners now and no longer support the old attachment option.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 04, 2014, 12:40:12 AM
Have you tried dry assembling them? Do the layers fit over one other or have the pins on the Delemont moved to Vic positions? I see they use new liners now and no longer support the old attachment option.

They looked the same, but no I havent lined them up directly yet...  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 04, 2014, 12:42:00 AM
Very interesting! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on December 04, 2014, 02:03:41 AM
Guess it is true that Vic changed out the assembling equipment at the old Wenger Delemont factory.  Thanks for the pics Syph.  Nice to see the process documented. Never seen the layers of the golf and cigar SAKs disassembled.

Thought the biggest difference with the new Vic Delemonts were the larger outer attachment layer where the liners are now flush with the scales and no longer recessed.  Also for models with the combo can opener implement, the new Vic Delemonts have the Vic version which is much better than the old Wenger version.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 04, 2014, 09:31:07 PM
 :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Ti91/IMG_9085.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Ti91/IMG_9087.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Ti91/IMG_9093.jpg)

:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 04, 2014, 09:36:16 PM
Cool Syph, can't wait to see them put to use! JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on December 04, 2014, 09:44:09 PM
 :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sir_mike on December 04, 2014, 10:06:49 PM
Nice ones Syph!  I think you could make an Explorer with those scales! :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 04, 2014, 10:20:41 PM
Ya it was time for the 91mm's to get some love.  I get asked a few times a week, if I have any mods for that frame and I got tired of saying no.  My first mod will be for a super tinker and deluxe tinker, my personal favorites.

Lots of options with Ti scales.  Polished, tumbled, colored.  The scales can be peen assembled, or drilled out for screws/pivots.  With my BO spartan modding I showed that the stock liners anodize fine, so I can get those colored in red/black and make a brass option as well.   :tu:  The scales can be textures on my mill, or slots milled for T&T.... Lots more moddin ahead!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on December 04, 2014, 10:22:08 PM
Finally, the CyberTool will get some modding love :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Pignut71 on December 04, 2014, 10:27:15 PM
Can't wait to see some of your 91 mods Syph.

*waiting patiently....*

Regards, Jon.


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on December 05, 2014, 12:31:42 AM
Compact with Ti scale. Yeeeeeesss please.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on December 05, 2014, 03:40:01 AM
 :popcorn:
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on December 06, 2014, 12:53:12 AM
Ti scales on a 91? You now have my attention!!!
Send me a pm pronto!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on December 06, 2014, 01:34:41 AM
 :popcorn:
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Post by: BCNZ on December 07, 2014, 02:06:08 AM
Lots of options with Ti scales.  Polished, tumbled, colored.  The scales can be peen assembled, or drilled out for screws/pivots.  With my BO spartan modding I showed that the stock liners anodize fine, so I can get those colored in red/black and make a brass option as well.   :tu:  The scales can be textures on my mill, or slots milled for T&T.... Lots more moddin ahead!

What thickness are they?  Same as alox scales?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: victor7000 on December 07, 2014, 12:44:16 PM
Cool!  :tu:
Is it Ti grade 2 or grade 5?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 07, 2014, 01:08:05 PM
Its just about the same as alox 93 for thickness and yep its grade 5.  Pure Ti isnt good for much except jewlery.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: cf on December 10, 2014, 09:06:53 PM
E-mail sent. I was curious if the end of the "swing" arm (or "free" arm) on the scissors in a Classic SD could be made into an eyeglass size Phillips screwdriver. I tried holding it the way you would if you were using it in that fashion and I believe it would work.

I think the SD version of the Classic is probably more useful than the regular model, but I'm not a fan of having a flathead screwdriver without a Phillips to go with it. Is this something that could be done?

I also thought about adding a bottle opener with Phillips to a Classic SD similar to the one on the Mini-Champ (instead of doing the scissor mod). Is that possible?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on December 10, 2014, 09:56:33 PM
You could get a Rambler. :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: cf on December 10, 2014, 10:33:13 PM
I was unaware of the Rambler. I think I'll get one of those. Thanks.

I still would like to know if the free arm on the scissors in the Classic SD could be made into a Phillips. I like the Classic for keychain carry, but like I mentioned, I would like to get a Phillips into the mix if I can.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 11, 2014, 12:34:01 AM
I was unaware of the Rambler. I think I'll get one of those. Thanks.

I still would like to know if the free arm on the scissors in the Classic SD could be made into a Phillips. I like the Classic for keychain carry, but like I mentioned, I would like to get a Phillips into the mix if I can.

Its possible, but that would be pretty tricky to get it just right by hand.  Im not sure the metal would hold up well either being made so thin.  Definitely better if you can mix and match stock parts to get a model you want.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: cf on December 11, 2014, 04:14:22 AM
I was unaware of the Rambler. I think I'll get one of those. Thanks.

I still would like to know if the free arm on the scissors in the Classic SD could be made into a Phillips. I like the Classic for keychain carry, but like I mentioned, I would like to get a Phillips into the mix if I can.

Its possible, but that would be pretty tricky to get it just right by hand.  Im not sure the metal would hold up well either being made so thin.  Definitely better if you can mix and match stock parts to get a model you want.

Yeah, I didn't know if it was feasible. Thanks.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: TazzieRob on December 11, 2014, 04:59:44 AM
I was unaware of the Rambler. I think I'll get one of those. Thanks.

I still would like to know if the free arm on the scissors in the Classic SD could be made into a Phillips. I like the Classic for keychain carry, but like I mentioned, I would like to get a Phillips into the mix if I can.

Its possible, but that would be pretty tricky to get it just right by hand.  Im not sure the metal would hold up well either being made so thin.  Definitely better if you can mix and match stock parts to get a model you want.

Yeah, I didn't know if it was feasible. Thanks.

Sounds like you need a Drifter

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Drifter

Reprofile the nail file tip to fit the screws you want, or just leave it alone.

The Flat tip is good for No.2 Phillips, the nail file is good for No.1 Phillips, and the Phillips is good for No.1 and No.0 Phillips
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 11, 2014, 05:27:39 AM
Harley is so glad you finally let the cat out of the bag Mr. Syph.

Even though Harley has a Secret clearance he does not like the keeping secrets game.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: cf on December 11, 2014, 06:28:17 AM
I was unaware of the Rambler. I think I'll get one of those. Thanks.

I still would like to know if the free arm on the scissors in the Classic SD could be made into a Phillips. I like the Classic for keychain carry, but like I mentioned, I would like to get a Phillips into the mix if I can.

Its possible, but that would be pretty tricky to get it just right by hand.  Im not sure the metal would hold up well either being made so thin.  Definitely better if you can mix and match stock parts to get a model you want.

Yeah, I didn't know if it was feasible. Thanks.

Sounds like you need a Drifter

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Drifter

Reprofile the nail file tip to fit the screws you want, or just leave it alone.

The Flat tip is good for No.2 Phillips, the nail file is good for No.1 Phillips, and the Phillips is good for No.1 and No.0 Phillips

Interesting. I wasn't aware of the Drifter or that the nail cleaner & flathead could be used on certain sizes of Phillips screws. Thanks.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 11, 2014, 09:06:10 PM
I was working on two 93mm mods today, one on a stock scaled copper, the other my hard anodized black.   I took a comparison pic of the backside of them together.  That rough part on the stock scales, and sharp edge so prone to chipping drives me nuts.  I can make the springs and liners beautiful, but I cant do anything about the appearance of stock scales. 

Im never 100% happy delivering a mod with stock scales except silver you don't notice chipping so much much on those. 

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=136171;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on December 11, 2014, 10:25:56 PM
Thats bugging me too. Especially when I found that on brand new alox. :(
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: user24 on December 11, 2014, 10:49:37 PM
I was working on two 93mm mods today, one on a stock scaled copper, the other my hard anodized black.   I took a comparison pic of the backside of them together.  That rough part on the stock scales, and sharp edge so prone to chipping drives me nuts.

I see what you mean. Your attention to detail and pride in your work is impressive.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 11, 2014, 11:13:37 PM
Thats bugging me too. Especially when I found that on brand new alox. :(

Ya I know they are mass produced and stamped out, so its inevitable the edges are like that.  If someone was to hand finish all the edges it would probably add alot to the cost. 


I see what you mean. Your attention to detail and pride in your work is impressive.


Ya I put so alot of effort into each part its very unsatisfying to finish the job with stock scales.  Really though its just the colored ones where its so noticeable.  I dont have an issue with stock silver. 

I'll take a comparison pic of a stock black alox and mine next and you can really see the difference.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on December 19, 2014, 08:35:00 AM
Did you ever put the G10 liners into a finished/partially finished model.  They looks most interesting.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 19, 2014, 01:13:42 PM

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom207/IMG_2189.jpg)


Roberto I am confused by this SAK.

I see on a lot of your creations a inline phillips across from the two opening layer tools. On this one though you have the inline phillips across from just the bottle opener?

Does this leave empty space and could this be a combo tool instead of the bottle opener.

Last bust very much not least I have decided this is the one I want. Well with a pocket clip added and a combo tool if possible. Oh and a nail file instead of the awl.

So pretty much nothing like this lol.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 19, 2014, 05:56:57 PM
Did you ever put the G10 liners into a finished/partially finished model.  They looks most interesting.

They suck.  I wont use them on a SAK and generally it was a big waste of money.  Not strong enough and cant be finished to a high enough level.  Also.. its plastic really and putting that on alox is a downgrade.  So I will stick to metals only, brass is the clear winner for me as its strong and pretty.


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom200Plus/Custom207/IMG_2189.jpg)


Roberto I am confused by this SAK.

I see on a lot of your creations a inline phillips across from the two opening layer tools. On this one though you have the inline phillips across from just the bottle opener?

Does this leave empty space and could this be a combo tool instead of the bottle opener.

Last bust very much not least I have decided this is the one I want. Well with a pocket clip added and a combo tool if possible. Oh and a nail file instead of the awl.

So pretty much nothing like this lol.

That one is opener and phillips takes 0.105" of width on a single backspring.  There is a 0.020" washer with the cap lifter to fill out the width.

The triple tool layer is a wider layer at 0.170" with dual backspring.   So if you dont need the can opener it saves 0.065".
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 19, 2014, 06:15:59 PM
Ok last question. I know when you are answering my noob questions you are not building sweet Alox SAKs.

So the bottle opener on the above SAK could be replaced with a combo tool?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 19, 2014, 06:36:55 PM
Ok last question. I know when you are answering my noob questions you are not building sweet Alox SAKs.

So the bottle opener on the above SAK could be replaced with a combo tool?

Combo tool / phillips on one layer could work.  The combo tool is VERY thin though and not a good replacement for the normal openers.  It bends very easy so I would only recommend that IF you only want to use it for can and bottle opener, and not a screwdriver/pry tool.  That is why the phillips and dual opener mod is so popular.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: glorn on December 19, 2014, 10:54:40 PM
Will your 91 ti scales be milled for the toothpick and tweezer?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 19, 2014, 10:57:26 PM
Will your 91 ti scales be milled for the toothpick and tweezer?

I'll for sure try a set to see how it goes.  It'll be a manual operation so I'll have to make a jig to make it repeatable.  Tweezers are easy as the slot is actually pretty thin, and since tweezers want to spring open, then hold themselves in well.  The toothpick is more annoying as the slot is much deeper and retention relies more on friction and if it was up to me I think I'd skip it for those reasons.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 23, 2014, 08:17:52 PM
I got a nice surprise today in the mail.  My prototype 91mm alox showed up today.  I had a shop make me up 10 sets as a test. Wide alox pattern to ruduce the machining cost a bit.  They need some hand finish work before I send off for hard anodize, but they should be interesting at least.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/IMG_9521.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/IMG_9526.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 23, 2014, 08:19:54 PM
Dibs fools!

Oh and is it just me or is it like a mini Christmas feeling everytime I see a reply to this thread?

Forgot to ask what color you gonna ano these Robert?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on December 23, 2014, 08:32:47 PM

I got a nice surprise today in the mail.  My prototype 91mm alox showed up today.  I had a shop make me up 10 sets as a test. Wide alox pattern to ruduce the machining cost a bit.  They need some hand finish work before I send off for hard anodize, but they should be interesting at least.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/IMG_9521.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/IMG_9526.jpg)

Ahh first ti and now these. Ugh you making it hard on me lol
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 23, 2014, 08:37:13 PM
Not hard on you Steve cause as you see I called dibs.  :twak:
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Post by: enki_ck on December 23, 2014, 08:57:56 PM
:woohoo:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 23, 2014, 09:10:58 PM
Ahh first ti and now these. Ugh you making it hard on me lol

 >:D

Ive got 2 more secret batches of parts being made still too... wont be ready until january though.  The waterjet guy has the nerve to shut down for 2 weeks! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on December 23, 2014, 11:27:11 PM
Looking good Syph...cannot wait to see the other two batches.
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Post by: Glofindel on December 23, 2014, 11:37:24 PM
Please keep it coming.  :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on December 25, 2014, 06:11:52 AM

Not hard on you Steve cause as you see I called dibs.  :twak:

Not a chance. You need to read way down in the mod squad. There's a few of mine about this very thing. So I've got a least a year dibs on you :P
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 25, 2014, 07:38:29 AM

Not hard on you Steve cause as you see I called dibs.  :twak:

Not a chance. You need to read way down in the mod squad. There's a few of mine about this very thing. So I've got a least a year dibs on you :P

Except I am almost a day ahead of you here onthis side of the world.

So still DIBS!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on December 25, 2014, 04:43:07 PM


Not hard on you Steve cause as you see I called dibs.  :twak:

Not a chance. You need to read way down in the mod squad. There's a few of mine about this very thing. So I've got a least a year dibs on you :P

Except I am almost a day ahead of you here onthis side of the world.

So still DIBS!

Haha your still a NOOB. But I can share :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 30, 2014, 06:27:32 PM
Finally a Ti 91mm is born!!!  Super tinker with black alox liners.  :D 

The countersink on the screws I do with my mill so they are precise.  Its a critical step to making a high end fit and finish to make sure each screw looks the same.  They are all perfectly flush with the scale.  Also with all Ti mods I do the inside wear points are carbidized.

It was starting to snow when I was taking pics, so these are the best I have for now.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Ti91/IMG_9551.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Ti91/IMG_9567.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Ti91/IMG_9578.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Ti91/IMG_9596.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on December 30, 2014, 06:34:41 PM
That is stunning work A+, as always :drool:
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Post by: crackout on December 30, 2014, 06:37:37 PM
Beautiful!
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 30, 2014, 06:58:11 PM
Beautiful!
+1
Wow!
JR
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Post by: lowtech on December 30, 2014, 07:03:27 PM
I like it!
I´d take one like this without the hook and the cross cutout, if I was to decide.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on December 30, 2014, 07:35:03 PM
Very nice!!!
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 30, 2014, 07:38:33 PM
Not that you guys did not see this coming but......Dibs!

I will take it and you have my address already Syph so I think our business is concluded here. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 03, 2015, 06:07:23 PM
The yellow scales havent been super popular, with black still being the most requested color, but I got to build another today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom338/IMG_9647.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom338/IMG_9653.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom338/IMG_9673.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom338/IMG_9695.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on January 03, 2015, 06:15:42 PM
Nice build Syph...should we call this the Bumblebee version? ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 03, 2015, 06:16:41 PM
Yet another nice job Syph :tu:
Hey here's a thought, did you ever think of putting a bit driver from off of a cybertool on a alox? Only crappy part would be the plastic bit holder, now if that was aluminum, well that would be a must have!!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 03, 2015, 06:17:57 PM
The yellow's not for me, but it does look cool.  I'm the black scale type myself.  Red would be cool too, with black liners.

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 03, 2015, 06:19:01 PM
Yet another nice job Syph :tu:
Hey here's a thought, did you ever think of putting a bit driver from off of a cybertool on a alox? Only crappy part would be the plastic bit holder, now if that was aluminum, well that would be a must have!!
JR

For sure the driver part could fit, but ya the bit holder no way would fit as it is, so something custom would need to be made.

Now that Ive got some fancier scale options for 91mm SAKs though I think just making a fancy stock cybertool woudl be the way to go. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 03, 2015, 08:45:33 PM
Yet another nice job Syph :tu:
Hey here's a thought, did you ever think of putting a bit driver from off of a cybertool on a alox? Only crappy part would be the plastic bit holder, now if that was aluminum, well that would be a must have!!
JR

For sure the driver part could fit, but ya the bit holder no way would fit as it is, so something custom would need to be made.

Now that Ive got some fancier scale options for 91mm SAKs though I think just making a fancy stock cybertool woudl be the way to go.

Great minds, I was just thinking about that earlier today.

The yellow scales havent been super popular, with black still being the most requested color, but I got to build another today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom338/IMG_9647.jpg)


Oh man Mary is going to be mad, someone stole her Syph SAK!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on January 03, 2015, 09:09:09 PM

Yet another nice job Syph :tu:
Hey here's a thought, did you ever think of putting a bit driver from off of a cybertool on a alox? Only crappy part would be the plastic bit holder, now if that was aluminum, well that would be a must have!!
JR

For sure the driver part could fit, but ya the bit holder no way would fit as it is, so something custom would need to be made.

Now that Ive got some fancier scale options for 91mm SAKs though I think just making a fancy stock cybertool woudl be the way to go.

Great minds, I was just thinking about that earlier today.

The yellow scales havent been super popular, with black still being the most requested color, but I got to build another today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom338/IMG_9647.jpg)


Oh man Mary is going to be mad, someone stole her Syph SAK!
not mad at all. I'm glad my SAK has a twin! He was getting kind of lonely.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Pignut71 on January 05, 2015, 10:12:18 PM
Personally, I think the black / yellow combo looks great. Would happily carry that!
IMO, the problem is all your colours look oh so cool...
Regards, Jon.


Sent using my chubby fingers...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on January 05, 2015, 10:31:34 PM
I sure do like my killer bumblebee
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on January 06, 2015, 12:39:04 AM

Personally, I think the black / yellow combo looks great. Would happily carry that!
IMO, the problem is all your colours look oh so cool...
Regards, Jon.


Sent using my chubby fingers...
Then get one of each :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 06, 2015, 11:40:19 PM
Here is a unique one I finished today.   Most marlin spike models don't have an awl, and its hard to put it on there as it's long and wont pair well with any other tools.

What I had to do was add a short mag glass on a double spring to have enough room.  The eblade I put on there was still hitting the mag glass on close so I had to nip a couple mm off the end and reshape it, but it still looks decent enough despite the trimming.  :D

The eblade even sticks up just enough for the nail nick to be perfectly accessible above the awl.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom340/IMG_9700.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom340/IMG_9738.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom340/IMG_9707.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom340/IMG_9712.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom340/IMG_9722.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom340/IMG_9728.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on January 06, 2015, 11:42:04 PM
Very nice, like the Marlin-Spike + Awl combo.
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Post by: mrynnr on January 06, 2015, 11:42:49 PM
Awesome! :tu:
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Post by: captain spaulding on January 06, 2015, 11:44:24 PM
Very cool!
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Post by: zoidberg on January 06, 2015, 11:45:01 PM
That is awesome.  :tu:  When will it get here?  :pok:
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Post by: Syph007 on January 06, 2015, 11:45:25 PM
I just realized its got the saw on there too.  Forgot to open it for the pictures.  :D
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Post by: Etherealicer on January 06, 2015, 11:46:00 PM
I just realized its got the saw on there too.  Forgot to open it for the pictures.  :D
No worries, we SAW that :facepalm:
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Post by: zoidberg on January 06, 2015, 11:47:25 PM
I just realized its got the saw on there too.  Forgot to open it for the pictures.  :D
No worries, we SAW that :facepalm:

And I saw what you did there.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 06, 2015, 11:48:35 PM
I just realized its got the saw on there too.  Forgot to open it for the pictures.  :D
No worries, we SAW that :facepalm:

And I saw what you did there.  :facepalm:

You guys cut me up!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: TazzieRob on January 07, 2015, 12:30:39 AM
I see-saw too!

That's awesome.  The shortening of the electricians blade wouldn't make any difference to its functionality.

How'd you retain the shield through the anodising process?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 07, 2015, 12:35:30 AM
Those are stock red scales.

I have to say that I have noticed the older anodizing more durable than modern special run anodizing.  I didnt have any chipping problems at all.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 07, 2015, 01:31:58 AM
Beautiful job! :tu:
JR
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Post by: Monrogue on January 07, 2015, 03:35:53 AM
That's an interesting one Syph :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on January 07, 2015, 08:19:35 PM
Back to Ti 91's today.  :D

I used my jewelers saw and cut out a small + shape from brass.  It didnt quite fit the cutout but I pressed it in with my bench vice, then peened it from both sides. 

The result was better than I hoped.  The rough waterjet texture of the inner walls of the + cutout were very grippy and peening the brass had the effect of locking it in rock solid.

This is just the rough sanding pass, it still needs to be wet sanded at 400, then 800 and then polished but I think it should look pretty sweet.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Ti91/IMG_0002.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 07, 2015, 08:25:13 PM
Amazing.

Love the brass insert, will look great all polished up with matching liners.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on January 07, 2015, 08:26:39 PM
What a cool idea.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 07, 2015, 08:32:14 PM
LOVE THE BRASS!! Tha looks great :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on January 07, 2015, 08:34:57 PM
Brass and Titanium. Damn :drool:.

You sir, are an artist.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 07, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
Amazing.

Love the brass insert, will look great all polished up with matching liners.

Yep exactly, polished brass inlay and polished brass liners, with Ti scales.   :tu:  To me that's the ultimate gentleman's jewelry SAK look.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 07, 2015, 08:48:52 PM
Amazing.

Love the brass insert, will look great all polished up with matching liners.

Yep exactly, polished brass inlay and polished brass liners, with Ti scales.   :tu:  To me that's the ultimate gentleman's jewelry SAK look.

Is that the one we talked about being for me?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 07, 2015, 09:02:06 PM
Amazing.

Love the brass insert, will look great all polished up with matching liners.

Yep exactly, polished brass inlay and polished brass liners, with Ti scales.   :tu:  To me that's the ultimate gentleman's jewelry SAK look.

Is that the one we talked about being for me?

It can be yes, Im just building a prototype to make sure it works and looks nice.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on January 07, 2015, 09:49:50 PM
:ahhh :ahhh your making it even better!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 09, 2015, 09:22:59 PM
Here's what I was up to today.  One black urban pioneer PhD and one in blue but with electrician blade in place of awl.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom342/IMG_0073.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom342/IMG_0047.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom342/IMG_0062.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom342/IMG_0069.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom341/IMG_0023.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom341/IMG_0029.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom341/IMG_0039.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom341/IMG_0042.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 09, 2015, 10:28:37 PM
Love the blue with black! Nice as always Syph :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on January 09, 2015, 11:35:10 PM
Really dig the blue Electrician...

Do you plan to try mounting a clip onto the 91mm Ti or alox scales?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 10, 2015, 12:48:26 AM
Nice ones Syph!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 13, 2015, 08:47:41 PM
I got my anodized 91mm liners back today!  Lots of red and black for Ti 91 builds or for the BO'd tinkers I'll be making.

The group on the right are wenger liners and I'm happy to say they anodized just fine too.   :tu:

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=138472;image)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=138474;image)

My stash of new SAKs to be upgraded.  :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=138476;image)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 14, 2015, 03:11:17 AM
I spy a Swisschamp? 

You know you wanna.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on January 14, 2015, 03:12:45 AM
Wenger's liners. Are you making Wenger Ti as well?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 14, 2015, 04:00:00 AM
I spy a Swisschamp? 

You know you wanna.

Thats for sure possible now.  Although Id lose the fish scaler personally.

The only tool layer that needs specific liners I dont have yet is the cybertool layer.

Wenger's liners. Are you making Wenger Ti as well?

They're for a wenger mod I posted a few pages back, merging a cigar cutter and some other layers.  Its for a customer and the tools will get BO'd and reassembled.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 14, 2015, 06:18:00 AM

...Although Id lose the fish scaler personally.


Of course.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on January 14, 2015, 08:28:43 AM
The only tool layer that needs specific liners I dont have yet is the cybertool layer.
:cry:

Can't wait to see what you are going to make with all these parts...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 14, 2015, 09:00:37 AM
The only tool layer that needs specific liners I dont have yet is the cybertool layer.
:cry:

Can't wait to see what you are going to make with all these parts...

Yeah right. Cough brass inlay cough.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on January 14, 2015, 11:02:03 PM
I got my anodized 91mm liners back today!  Lots of red and black for Ti 91 builds or for the BO'd tinkers I'll be making.

The group on the right are wenger liners and I'm happy to say they anodized just fine too.   :tu:

The anodized liners look great...including the Wenger liners ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 14, 2015, 11:34:18 PM
Just a small keychain size mod today...  :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom344/IMG_0268.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom344/IMG_0127.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom344/IMG_0180.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom344/IMG_0186.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom344/IMG_0203.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom344/IMG_0254.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom344/IMG_0221.jpg)



Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on January 14, 2015, 11:49:02 PM
Just a small keychain size mod today...  :whistle:

That is quite a "keychain" SAK if you can call it that...the brass liners look great...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 15, 2015, 12:32:08 AM
nice one syph, i bet that ones a little heavy! :whistle:
JR
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on January 15, 2015, 01:48:51 AM
awesome sak! It needs a clip. Is it going to be a user?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 16, 2015, 06:02:44 PM
I was brainstorming liner lock liners for 93mm SAKs awhile ago with SAK enthusiast Ana from Spain.

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg842209.html#msg842209

I did finally come up with a design I was happy to gamble a test run of parts on and the parts should be back from waterjet next week.  This is the design I ended up with as a test.  I only committed one square foot of 0.050" Ti for this, as I didnt want to cut more than that without some more testing. 

If my design is correct I should only have to bevel the SAK blade pivot area just a small amount to allow the liner lock to move onto the blade and lock up.  The liner only needs to be bent and then heated gently to reset the metal's internal stresses and it should be good to go.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=138726;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on January 16, 2015, 06:03:35 PM
Awesome!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on January 16, 2015, 06:49:52 PM
Tell me the blade was scavenged from a Dual Pro... :D
Looking forward to this :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 16, 2015, 08:54:41 PM

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom344/IMG_0221.jpg)


I am a big fan of this angle with all the tools open and the brass liner goodness on display.

Can't wait to have one done up for me.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 19, 2015, 06:50:10 PM
A stealthy blacked out 2 layer was born this morning.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom346/IMG_0376.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom346/IMG_0380.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom346/IMG_0383.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom346/IMG_0392.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Haubitz on January 19, 2015, 06:52:53 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 19, 2015, 07:50:31 PM
Nice one, but don't drop it ;)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Heywood Floyd on January 19, 2015, 08:25:32 PM
Awesome build Syph. I just love the way it absorbs light.
A true cutting essential murdered 93.
Thanks for sharing.
Re dropping it ... LOL ... it will always travel with a Sharpy twin tip
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on January 20, 2015, 02:08:00 AM
Nice build Syph...I call dibs if not already taken :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on January 20, 2015, 08:10:58 AM
Holy crap!  Looking forward to the liner lock.  If if is a go, I might have to send in a Syph original for a bit of a tuneup!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 20, 2015, 11:00:49 AM
Holy crap!  Looking forward to the liner lock.  If if is a go, I might have to send in a Syph original for a bit of a tuneup!

PM me PC and I will give you the new address for all Syph custom returns.

It is in Afghanistan now just so you know.  :whistle:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 22, 2015, 01:20:37 AM
Sticking with the black/brass theme, here is a really pretty one I got done today.

It almost feels like a 108mm GAK with most of the tools opening on the same side.  I cut the brass keyring holder by hand and Im really pleased with how well that turned out.  I riveted that piece to the adjacent liner as well so it will never wiggle and always be perfectly aligned (my OCD is happy with that).  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom347/IMG_0408.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom347/IMG_0423.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom347/IMG_0429.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom347/IMG_0435.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom347/IMG_0443.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom347/IMG_0450.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 22, 2015, 02:07:54 AM
 :tu: nice job!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 22, 2015, 08:38:32 PM
I'm starting to feel like Im building the Model T of alox.  You can have whatever you want as long as it's black! :D

A yeoman today, with the modern phillips/mag glass layer.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom348/IMG_0480.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom348/IMG_0485.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom348/IMG_0491.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom348/IMG_0501.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom348/IMG_0520.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom348/IMG_0525.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 22, 2015, 08:55:07 PM
Love that color combo ;)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 23, 2015, 03:13:20 AM
I love me some Yeoman.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on January 23, 2015, 05:27:26 AM
Waiting to see a BO alox with red anodized liners... ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 03, 2015, 10:34:01 PM
Some stock silver alox today.  :D  Maybe not as exciting as colored but it does pocket wear very well.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom356/IMG_0928.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom356/IMG_0935.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom356/IMG_0909.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom356/IMG_0919.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 03, 2015, 10:55:50 PM
 :tu: might be stock but still a beauty Syph!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 03, 2015, 11:51:42 PM
Cool :D 

Anthony from EverydayCommentary had bought a blue urban pioneer from me before Christmas and I found a video of he did about my custom.

SAK Modder Custom Pioneer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh7_ugi2W4U#ws)

He must have quite a few followers on his various social media channels as his use of the SAK has brought in lots of quote requests. 

Thanks also to Sticktodrum for recommending my work to him.  Sticktodrum's original video review of my work also generated quite alot of email traffic for me.

Custom Victorinox Alox Swiss Army Knife by Bob Lessard (Syph007) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEJD8vX0SJY#ws)

 :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on February 04, 2015, 12:32:44 AM
Always excited to see your newest mods...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 04, 2015, 01:35:01 AM
Syph, you'll be a world famous SAK surgeon, if you aren't already ;)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 04, 2015, 05:03:13 AM
No cuts!

The line forms behind me fools.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on February 04, 2015, 06:50:05 AM
No cuts!

The line forms behind me fools.

Doesn't it always.  :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 04, 2015, 07:11:38 AM
No cuts!

The line forms behind me fools.

Doesn't it always.  :pok:

I see what you did there.  :twak:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on February 04, 2015, 12:51:01 PM
No cuts!

The line forms behind me fools.

Doesn't it always.  :pok:

I see what you did there.  :twak:

How could you?! We're all behind you...

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 04, 2015, 05:17:51 PM

OMG these bad boys are finally ready for pick up!  It's been a long wait for these suckers but my waterjet guy just let me know they are ready for pickup and I will go get them tomorrow morning.  He got 39 liners from the 1 square foot sheet.  :D  Now lets hope they work!

I was brainstorming liner lock liners for 93mm SAKs awhile ago with SAK enthusiast Ana from Spain.

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg842209.html#msg842209

I did finally come up with a design I was happy to gamble a test run of parts on and the parts should be back from waterjet next week.  This is the design I ended up with as a test.  I only committed one square foot of 0.050" Ti for this, as I didnt want to cut more than that without some more testing. 

If my design is correct I should only have to bevel the SAK blade pivot area just a small amount to allow the liner lock to move onto the blade and lock up.  The liner only needs to be bent and then heated gently to reset the metal's internal stresses and it should be good to go.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=138726;image)


And todays mod was an 84mm version of yesterdays mod...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom357/IMG_0977.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom357/IMG_0970.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom357/IMG_0979.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on February 04, 2015, 06:36:01 PM
Looking forward to this. Hope it works well.   :2tu:

Also, are you doing 84mm mods again or was this a special order?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 04, 2015, 06:43:36 PM
Looking forward to this. Hope it works well.   :2tu:

Also, are you doing 84mm mods again or was this a special order?

I dont keep any 84mm parts any more, the fellow sent me a bantam and scissors to combine, so it was just an assemble job.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: BADSAK on February 05, 2015, 01:00:12 AM

OMG these bad boys are finally ready for pick up!  It's been a long wait for these suckers but my waterjet guy just let me know they are ready for pickup and I will go get them tomorrow morning.  He got 39 liners from the 1 square foot sheet.  :D  Now lets hope they work!
Quote


Can't wait to see the finished product!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Heywood Floyd on February 05, 2015, 06:19:28 AM
Looking forward to this. Hope it works well.   :2tu:

Also, are you doing 84mm mods again or was this a special order?

I dont keep any 84mm parts any more, the fellow sent me a bantam and scissors to combine, so it was just an assemble job.
What spring do you use for the scissors layer of the 84mm? TIA
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 05, 2015, 08:59:22 AM
Looking forward to this. Hope it works well.   :2tu:

Also, are you doing 84mm mods again or was this a special order?

I dont keep any 84mm parts any more, the fellow sent me a bantam and scissors to combine, so it was just an assemble job.
What spring do you use for the scissors layer of the 84mm? TIA

Good question.

Would love a Red shield Black Cadet with some scissors.  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 05, 2015, 03:56:33 PM
Looking forward to this. Hope it works well.   :2tu:

Also, are you doing 84mm mods again or was this a special order?

I dont keep any 84mm parts any more, the fellow sent me a bantam and scissors to combine, so it was just an assemble job.
What spring do you use for the scissors layer of the 84mm? TIA

The whole layer is from the 84mm cellidor saks like the small climber.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 05, 2015, 07:09:45 PM
Cut cost was about $200, so I REALLY hope these work! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_0986.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_0990.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on February 05, 2015, 07:15:17 PM
Those are 93mm right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQqwG_rQx7A
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on February 05, 2015, 07:19:24 PM
:popcorn:    :popcorn:    :popcorn:    :popcorn:    :popcorn:    :popcorn:    :popcorn:   


Popcorn for all while we wait. :woohoo:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on February 05, 2015, 07:26:36 PM
 :ahhh
:popcorn:    :popcorn:    :popcorn:    :popcorn:    :popcorn:    :popcorn:    :popcorn:   


Popcorn for all while we wait. :woohoo:

 :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 05, 2015, 08:56:34 PM
Looking good, hope it works! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 05, 2015, 09:07:06 PM
Well my measurements were accurate, BUT, the blade has alot of wiggle at the tip still.  Probably 1 cm, which is way too much for me.  Of course having tried this though I see a number of ways to improve the concept.

So lets call this ver 1 design and with this version I was trying to be a bit lazy and not have to modify the blades at all.. but thats not going to be the perfect setup so I think I will just re-design it to lock onto a flat back end instead of curved, and have the top bit key into the blade.  That will be a much more aggressive lock. 

If I tell the waterjet guy I goofed on design maybe he could fit me in again quickly and have some mercy on cost.  :D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on February 05, 2015, 09:37:54 PM
Sorry to hear you're not happy with it. :-\ I'm guessing that should have been 1 mm wiggle, not 1 cm.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on February 05, 2015, 10:17:04 PM
Doh!
I hope he gives you a deal.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 05, 2015, 10:38:30 PM
Yep he got back to me right away and said he can run some more within the next 2 weeks, so I cant complain. :D  Part of the learning process, but IM glad I only sent off 1 square foot of Ti. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: microbe on February 05, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
Great thinking Syph!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: microbe on February 05, 2015, 11:00:03 PM
I was brainstorming liner lock liners for 93mm SAKs awhile ago with SAK enthusiast Ana from Spain.

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg842209.html#msg842209

I did finally come up with a design I was happy to gamble a test run of parts on and the parts should be back from waterjet next week.  This is the design I ended up with as a test.  I only committed one square foot of 0.050" Ti for this, as I didnt want to cut more than that without some more testing. 

If my design is correct I should only have to bevel the SAK blade pivot area just a small amount to allow the liner lock to move onto the blade and lock up.  The liner only needs to be bent and then heated gently to reset the metal's internal stresses and it should be good to go.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=138726;image)

Once you got the liner lock sorted out, applying it to the frame is the logical next step  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 05, 2015, 11:15:03 PM
Yep, thats why I started on the liner lock! That thin Ti is must less costly.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 05, 2015, 11:25:06 PM
So this lock system should work with any 93alox?
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on February 05, 2015, 11:27:43 PM
You'll still be able to use them as liners right?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 06, 2015, 12:46:50 AM
So this lock system should work with any 93alox?
JR

Yup that's the idea.

You'll still be able to use them as liners right?

I'm not sure what I can do with them now, but I will figure something out.  :D  I wasted more getting those G10 liners cut that I will never use, so I'll factor this into the R&D budget. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 06, 2015, 09:24:22 AM
I am thinking I may have to add Syph to The List.

My mind is reeling with all the different options for the custom I would like built.

Guess I would have to share the spot between Syph and Victorinox.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 06, 2015, 02:32:44 PM
I am thinking I may have to add Syph to The List.

My mind is reeling with all the different options for the custom I would like built.

Guess I would have to share the spot between Syph and Victorinox.

That's how it goes for me as well, and just when you think you've settled on what you want, you get it, and then start thinking about ways it could be improved, or your wants/needs change, or, or... :ahhh :ahhh  You get the picture ;) 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 06, 2015, 02:56:28 PM
I am thinking I may have to add Syph to The List.

My mind is reeling with all the different options for the custom I would like built.

Guess I would have to share the spot between Syph and Victorinox.

That's how it goes for me as well, and just when you think you've settled on what you want, you get it, and then start thinking about ways it could be improved, or your wants/needs change, or, or... :ahhh :ahhh  You get the picture ;)
No, cause not everyone is like you :rofl: lol
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 06, 2015, 04:25:47 PM
I am thinking I may have to add Syph to The List.

My mind is reeling with all the different options for the custom I would like built.

Guess I would have to share the spot between Syph and Victorinox.

That's how it goes for me as well, and just when you think you've settled on what you want, you get it, and then start thinking about ways it could be improved, or your wants/needs change, or, or... :ahhh :ahhh  You get the picture ;)
No, cause not everyone is like you :rofl: lol
JR

And that's a good thing ;)  Although I know there have to be a few members here that share that mentality....
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 06, 2015, 05:15:35 PM
I am thinking I may have to add Syph to The List.

My mind is reeling with all the different options for the custom I would like built.

Guess I would have to share the spot between Syph and Victorinox.

That's how it goes for me as well, and just when you think you've settled on what you want, you get it, and then start thinking about ways it could be improved, or your wants/needs change, or, or... :ahhh :ahhh  You get the picture ;)
No, cause not everyone is like you :rofl: lol
JR

And that's a good thing ;)  Although I know there have to be a few members here that share that mentality....
True, I'll admit I thought of it, but it's just perfect the way it is..
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 06, 2015, 05:24:40 PM
I am thinking I may have to add Syph to The List.

My mind is reeling with all the different options for the custom I would like built.

Guess I would have to share the spot between Syph and Victorinox.

That's how it goes for me as well, and just when you think you've settled on what you want, you get it, and then start thinking about ways it could be improved, or your wants/needs change, or, or... :ahhh :ahhh  You get the picture ;)
No, cause not everyone is like you :rofl: lol
JR

And that's a good thing ;)  Although I know there have to be a few members here that share that mentality....
True, I'll admit I thought of it, but it's just perfect the way it is..
JR

Yeah, I hope that's how I'll feel about my new custom, which looks due to arrive today :D 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 06, 2015, 05:49:51 PM
I am thinking I may have to add Syph to The List.

My mind is reeling with all the different options for the custom I would like built.

Guess I would have to share the spot between Syph and Victorinox.

That's how it goes for me as well, and just when you think you've settled on what you want, you get it, and then start thinking about ways it could be improved, or your wants/needs change, or, or... :ahhh :ahhh  You get the picture ;)
No, cause not everyone is like you :rofl: lol
JR

And that's a good thing ;)  Although I know there have to be a few members here that share that mentality....
True, I'll admit I thought of it, but it's just perfect the way it is..
JR

Yeah, I hope that's how I'll feel about my new custom, which looks due to arrive today :D
Hope so, I'll be expecting some pics!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 06, 2015, 06:04:38 PM
I am thinking I may have to add Syph to The List.

My mind is reeling with all the different options for the custom I would like built.

Guess I would have to share the spot between Syph and Victorinox.

That's how it goes for me as well, and just when you think you've settled on what you want, you get it, and then start thinking about ways it could be improved, or your wants/needs change, or, or... :ahhh :ahhh  You get the picture ;)
No, cause not everyone is like you :rofl: lol
JR

And that's a good thing ;)  Although I know there have to be a few members here that share that mentality....
True, I'll admit I thought of it, but it's just perfect the way it is..
JR

Yeah, I hope that's how I'll feel about my new custom, which looks due to arrive today :D
Hope so, I'll be expecting some pics!
JR

As of right now, it's out for delivery, but it's going to my home address, so I won't get it until after work.  That means no good pics until Monday, as work is where I take them all.  Plus I won't have access to a computer all weekend as we'll be gone, so only Tapatalk, which doesn't seem to like my cell pics :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 06, 2015, 07:40:02 PM
I am thinking I may have to add Syph to The List.

My mind is reeling with all the different options for the custom I would like built.

Guess I would have to share the spot between Syph and Victorinox.

That's how it goes for me as well, and just when you think you've settled on what you want, you get it, and then start thinking about ways it could be improved, or your wants/needs change, or, or... :ahhh :ahhh  You get the picture ;)
No, cause not everyone is like you :rofl: lol
JR

And that's a good thing ;)  Although I know there have to be a few members here that share that mentality....
True, I'll admit I thought of it, but it's just perfect the way it is..
JR

Yeah, I hope that's how I'll feel about my new custom, which looks due to arrive today :D
Hope so, I'll be expecting some pics!
JR

As of right now, it's out for delivery, but it's going to my home address, so I won't get it until after work.  That means no good pics until Monday, as work is where I take them all.  Plus I won't have access to a computer all weekend as we'll be gone, so only Tapatalk, which doesn't seem to like my cell pics :think:
:cry: :cry: :cry: :twak: :twak: :twak:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 06, 2015, 07:43:13 PM
I am thinking I may have to add Syph to The List.

My mind is reeling with all the different options for the custom I would like built.

Guess I would have to share the spot between Syph and Victorinox.

That's how it goes for me as well, and just when you think you've settled on what you want, you get it, and then start thinking about ways it could be improved, or your wants/needs change, or, or... :ahhh :ahhh  You get the picture ;)
No, cause not everyone is like you :rofl: lol
JR

And that's a good thing ;)  Although I know there have to be a few members here that share that mentality....
True, I'll admit I thought of it, but it's just perfect the way it is..
JR

Yeah, I hope that's how I'll feel about my new custom, which looks due to arrive today :D
Hope so, I'll be expecting some pics!
JR

As of right now, it's out for delivery, but it's going to my home address, so I won't get it until after work.  That means no good pics until Monday, as work is where I take them all.  Plus I won't have access to a computer all weekend as we'll be gone, so only Tapatalk, which doesn't seem to like my cell pics :think:

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 06, 2015, 07:49:53 PM
I know, I know....sorry guys :(  If I could upload from my cell, I could take some pics later, but that doesn't seem to work. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 06, 2015, 07:53:45 PM
I know, I know....sorry guys :(  If I could upload from my cell, I could take some pics later, but that doesn't seem to work.

Its all good just busting chops.

I wait weeks for stuff to arrive here a few days is of no matter.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 06, 2015, 07:57:29 PM
I know, I know....sorry guys :(  If I could upload from my cell, I could take some pics later, but that doesn't seem to work.

Its all good just busting chops.

I wait weeks for stuff to arrive here a few days is of no matter.

Oh I know, it just stinks that I can't simply upload a pic through Tapatalk.  It never used to be a problem, but sometime in the last few months, that changed for some reason. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 06, 2015, 08:43:26 PM
I know, I know....sorry guys :(  If I could upload from my cell, I could take some pics later, but that doesn't seem to work.

Its all good just busting chops.

I wait weeks for stuff to arrive here a few days is of no matter.

Oh I know, it just stinks that I can't simply upload a pic through Tapatalk.  It never used to be a problem, but sometime in the last few months, that changed for some reason.
So in other words it would be faster to use a Polaroid camera and mail it to me? :rofl:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 06, 2015, 08:45:34 PM
I know, I know....sorry guys :(  If I could upload from my cell, I could take some pics later, but that doesn't seem to work.

Its all good just busting chops.

I wait weeks for stuff to arrive here a few days is of no matter.

Oh I know, it just stinks that I can't simply upload a pic through Tapatalk.  It never used to be a problem, but sometime in the last few months, that changed for some reason.
So in other words it would be faster to use a Polaroid camera and mail it to me? :rofl:
JR

Lol, probably....
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 06, 2015, 08:49:48 PM
I know, I know....sorry guys :(  If I could upload from my cell, I could take some pics later, but that doesn't seem to work.

Its all good just busting chops.

I wait weeks for stuff to arrive here a few days is of no matter.

Oh I know, it just stinks that I can't simply upload a pic through Tapatalk.  It never used to be a problem, but sometime in the last few months, that changed for some reason.
So in other words it would be faster to use a Polaroid camera and mail it to me? :rofl:
JR

Lol, probably....
Bummer :dd:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on February 06, 2015, 09:10:07 PM
...
Oh I know, it just stinks that I can't simply upload a pic through Tapatalk.  It never used to be a problem, but sometime in the last few months, that changed for some reason. 

Simply go to menu --> Open in browser (or Web View and or whatever it's called) and in the mobile theme when you click reply there is the +Attachment options. Or you can use the photobucket app and upload the pics to your photobucket account and just paste links in the posts. Better than using the crapatalk photo service that's, well, crap. We have lots of threads that are now ruined due to members using it cause they broke/deleted all the old pictures they had stored. Most of the old Metro builds and mods are without pictures now cause of it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 06, 2015, 09:58:34 PM
...
Oh I know, it just stinks that I can't simply upload a pic through Tapatalk.  It never used to be a problem, but sometime in the last few months, that changed for some reason. 

Simply go to menu --> Open in browser (or Web View and or whatever it's called) and in the mobile theme when you click reply there is the +Attachment options. Or you can use the photobucket app and upload the pics to your photobucket account and just paste links in the posts. Better than using the crapatalk photo service that's, well, crap. We have lots of threads that are now ruined due to members using it cause they broke/deleted all the old pictures they had stored. Most of the old Metro builds and mods are without pictures now cause of it.

Thanks Nikola :salute:  I'll have to check this out tonight. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 07, 2015, 12:25:29 AM
I scanned in the blade and liner lock from a 111mm for fun.  Notice how much beefier the blade tang is for the lock area.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=140092;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on February 07, 2015, 10:15:22 PM
I scanned in the blade and liner lock from a 111mm for fun.  Notice how much beefier the blade tang is for the lock area

Thanks for sharing Syph...never seen the inner workings of the 111mm liner lock...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 10, 2015, 09:33:23 AM
Question.

So if you were to Aloxify a 91mm, lets say a Master craftsman. When it was done would the resulting SAK be heavier or lighter?

Would be a slight bit slimmer though right?

Have not seen any pics of 91's you have made for people yet. Thought it would have been very popular.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: user24 on February 10, 2015, 11:29:34 AM
Have you thought about getting a 3D printer to try out things like liner lock designs before you invest in getting them cut with 'real' materials? Don't know if that is a workable idea.

One of my local DIY shops has a 3D printer that you can use if you supply the design files, so you might not even need to buy one if you can find somewhere that has one you can use.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 10, 2015, 05:26:40 PM
Question.

So if you were to Aloxify a 91mm, lets say a Master craftsman. When it was done would the resulting SAK be heavier or lighter?

Would be a slight bit slimmer though right?

Have not seen any pics of 91's you have made for people yet. Thought it would have been very popular.

I think it would way about the same.  Plastic and aluminum are both pretty light.  The main benefit is dropping the outer liners since those are needed for structural rigidity on plastic SAKs, but on a Al or Ti scaled one the scales provide that.

Ive got a list of people wanting the 91s, I just havent got to them yet.  I still have 20-30 93mm alox mods in the list and first come first serve.

Have you thought about getting a 3D printer to try out things like liner lock designs before you invest in getting them cut with 'real' materials? Don't know if that is a workable idea.

One of my local DIY shops has a 3D printer that you can use if you supply the design files, so you might not even need to buy one if you can find somewhere that has one you can use.

What I should have done is just cut out the shape with a jewelers saw and made sure that worked, then scanned that and made the file.  I was in a rush and just assumed too much though.  Ver 2 looks much better though and I also added jimping on the top for the thumb rest.  The force vectors are at much better angles so Im comfortable giving it another try.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on February 10, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
Liner locks are proven tech though, and shouldn't be that difficult to make work.  The problem with 3D printing something like that is that the liner lock relies on very close fitting parts, and the 3D printed part may not have been able to achieve the close fit needed anyway.  Depends on the process and the accuracy of the printer, I guess.

You should always try to leave prototypes 'metal safe' - if the lock tab on the liner had been closer to the pivot then a little filing could have made it work.  Very difficult to add material to things, much easier to take it away.

ETA: Not trying to teach you to suck eggs!  Just lessons learned the hard way at work, and in the shed. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 11, 2015, 11:38:07 PM
I managed to get 2 93mm mods together today.  One tool packed stock scaled 2 layer and an OD green condensed farmer with scissors.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom361/IMG_1102.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom361/IMG_1114.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom362/IMG_1037.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom362/IMG_1041.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom362/IMG_1044.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom362/IMG_1046.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 12, 2015, 03:12:27 AM
Looking forward to checking out the pics when I get off of work tonite.

On another note I have been thinking more about custom SAK action and was wondering something.

How many layers do you guys think is about the limit for something that will have one of them Syph pocket clips?

Don't imagine you would want it to big since it sits sideways when clipped to your pocket.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 12, 2015, 03:25:45 AM
Looking forward to checking out the pics when I get off of work tonite.

On another note I have been thinking more about custom SAK action and was wondering something.

How many layers do you guys think is about the limit for something that will have one of them Syph pocket clips?

Don't imagine you would want it to big since it sits sideways when clipped to your pocket.
I have a clip on a regular farmer and that's three, I'd say one or two more layers are doable, it also depends on how thick too.
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 12, 2015, 03:31:55 AM
Looking forward to checking out the pics when I get off of work tonite.

On another note I have been thinking more about custom SAK action and was wondering something.

How many layers do you guys think is about the limit for something that will have one of them Syph pocket clips?

Don't imagine you would want it to big since it sits sideways when clipped to your pocket.
I have a clip on a regular farmer and that's three, I'd say one or two more layers are doable, it also depends on how thick too.
JR

I thought that is what we were talking about. Thickness I think is the question here.

Unless I am confused?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 12, 2015, 07:55:06 AM
I can not be the first person to come up with this. I am guessing you already do it and I just missed it somehow.

Titanium 93mm Syph custom.

BAM, that just happened!

Forgot another question I had.

Could a awl and flathead/cap lifter go opposite the inline Phillips?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 12, 2015, 01:44:18 PM
Looking forward to checking out the pics when I get off of work tonite.

On another note I have been thinking more about custom SAK action and was wondering something.

How many layers do you guys think is about the limit for something that will have one of them Syph pocket clips?

Don't imagine you would want it to big since it sits sideways when clipped to your pocket.
I have a clip on a regular farmer and that's three, I'd say one or two more layers are doable, it also depends on how thick too.
JR

I thought that is what we were talking about. Thickness I think is the question here.

Unless I am confused?
Idk, maybe I'm confused :think: your asking how wide is too wide? The farmer off the shelf is three layers, I put a sticky self apply clip on mine and I think it's fine, and maybe one or two "more" layers would be ok, but it also depends how thick the layer is, like a pair of pliers vs a saw.. Hers a crappy pic of mine
JR
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/mrssabrina/5c99c3be379fb73ce5b070808e4f1f30.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 15, 2015, 07:15:52 PM
ICANN released a bunch (like 1400) new domain suffixes and I coulnt resist getting a ninja one.

I just stagged SAK.ninja  lol.  Ive got 4 urls now just all pointing to my main site that Ive still not finished, but how could I not jump at being a SAK ninja! :D

SAKModder.com
SAKMods.com
Syph007.com
SAK.ninja

:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 15, 2015, 07:33:21 PM
ICANN released a bunch (like 1400) new domain suffixes and I coulnt resist getting a ninja one.

I just stagged SAK.ninja  lol.  Ive got 4 urls now just all pointing to my main site that Ive still not finished, but how could I not jump at being a SAK ninja! :D

SAKModder.com
SAKMods.com
Syph007.com
SAK.ninja

:D

 :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on February 16, 2015, 05:05:26 AM
Eagerly awaiting the dawning of the age of the locking pioneer!  Can you show pics of your prototype?  Curious minds want to know.

Cheers
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 16, 2015, 09:03:18 PM
Eagerly awaiting the dawning of the age of the locking pioneer!  Can you show pics of your prototype?  Curious minds want to know.

Cheers

Liner Lock v2 has a number of improvements.  Just waiting for waterjet. :D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 16, 2015, 09:06:30 PM
Eagerly awaiting the dawning of the age of the locking pioneer!  Can you show pics of your prototype?  Curious minds want to know.

Cheers

Liner Lock v2 has a number of improvements.  Just waiting for waterjet. :D

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 16, 2015, 09:18:55 PM
Eagerly awaiting the dawning of the age of the locking pioneer!  Can you show pics of your prototype?  Curious minds want to know.

Cheers

Liner Lock v2 has a number of improvements.  Just waiting for waterjet. :D

 :popcorn:

The most obvious thing ( in hindsight of course ) was that I forgot to raise the thumb grip area and add jimping.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gadgetman7 on February 17, 2015, 02:22:07 AM
Can't wait to see it.


Sent from Tracy Island
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 17, 2015, 05:53:00 PM
It felt a bit 'uncomfortable' trying to work in the garage yesterday even with my tiny heater going which usually makes it barable.  Well! The news man this morning said we had the coldest day ever measured here in the last 80 years of tracking.  -34.1 C (-30 F)  That is cold.  I havent felt cold like that since I lived farther north.  Hello global warming where are you !?!

So... Im looking for a better heater today.  I did have a gas line run in the summer thinking that would be the route to go, but they are about 1200 for a gas heater.  The cheap part of me just wants to tough it out for another couple months.. we'll see.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 17, 2015, 06:08:46 PM
What about a small portable propane heater. Use to use them up north in Michigan when we went hunting.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on February 17, 2015, 06:22:49 PM
So weird... Snow is melting on this side.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on February 17, 2015, 07:28:34 PM
It felt a bit 'uncomfortable' trying to work in the garage yesterday even with my tiny heater going which usually makes it barable.  Well! The news man this morning said we had the coldest day ever measured here in the last 80 years of tracking.  -34.1 C (-30 F)  That is cold.  I havent felt cold like that since I lived farther north.  Hello global warming where are you !?!

So... Im looking for a better heater today.  I did have a gas line run in the summer thinking that would be the route to go, but they are about 1200 for a gas heater.  The cheap part of me just wants to tough it out for another couple months.. we'll see.  :D


On the West coast. Its very hot for the time of year. We have gotten almost no rain this year and it was 75F yesterday.  :(
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gadgetman7 on February 18, 2015, 02:10:16 AM
I just got my Urban Pioneer from Syph. I can't post a picture right now. But I have to say it's perfect - he improved on the Victorinox quality. The tools have fantastic snap and I think he even sharpened the blade. I'll definitely want others.


Sent from Tracy Island
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 18, 2015, 06:35:46 AM
I just got my Urban Pioneer from Syph. I can't post a picture right now. But I have to say it's perfect - he improved on the Victorinox quality. The tools have fantastic snap and I think he even sharpened the blade. I'll definitely want others.


Sent from Tracy Island

 :worthless:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 20, 2015, 07:01:29 PM
BO time!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/BO2015/IMG_1306.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/BO2015/IMG_1312.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/BO2015/IMG_1319.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/BO2015/IMG_1320.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/BO2015/IMG_1321.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on February 20, 2015, 07:28:27 PM
WOW!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on February 20, 2015, 08:53:34 PM
Some of the tools are different from the others. ;)

Did you recheck if the new Delemont parts/hole positions/liners are compatible with the old Wengers?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAKchief on February 20, 2015, 09:08:29 PM
Watching...

Are they linerlock delemont?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 20, 2015, 09:16:51 PM
Some of the tools are different from the others. ;)

Did you recheck if the new Delemont parts/hole positions/liners are compatible with the old Wengers?

Yup same pins and locations.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on February 20, 2015, 09:19:16 PM
Some of the tools are different from the others. ;)

Did you recheck if the new Delemont parts/hole positions/liners are compatible with the old Wengers?

Yup same pins and locations.

Good to know. :tu:

Now if only they hadn't messed it up with those wretched huge new liners. :rant:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 20, 2015, 10:29:34 PM
Ya the new liners look.. weird.

Here are all the Wenger parts now waiting for me to try to figure out how to get them back together.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOWenger/IMG_1341.jpg)

I did take pics of the SAKs when I originally took them apart to help me remember what bits started where.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOWenger/IMG_9094.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on February 21, 2015, 12:59:45 AM
Exciting to see them once re-assembled...the BO really makes them stand out 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on February 21, 2015, 01:03:02 AM
Good to know. :tu:

Now if only they hadn't messed it up with those wretched huge new liners. :rant:

I too prefer the old Wenger liners...but seems the scales on the Vic Delemont liners will be less likely to crack given the extra support.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 22, 2015, 05:54:06 PM
Working on the wengers today... all pins are 2.5mm which is fine.. BUT the problem is the bushings they use are not the same size as any of the Vic ones! 

Normally I would just use the salvaged ones from the original pins BUT, these pins only have bushings on one side, the other side were formed from the pin material itself.  I thought it was 2 separate pieces but nope the bushings do not come off! So IM having to make some bushing by spinning thick brass washers on my belt grinder.  It works, but slow process as its a trial and error fit up process.   
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on February 22, 2015, 06:09:50 PM
You need to get a little CNC lathe. :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on February 22, 2015, 08:50:30 PM
You need to get a little CNC lathe. :pok:
Yes he does... and a 25 hours work-day (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa153/htismiley/slavedriver.gif) >:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 22, 2015, 09:29:55 PM
You need to get a little CNC lathe. :pok:
Yes he does... and a 25 hours work-day (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa153/htismiley/slavedriver.gif) >:D

There is for sure never enough time!

As my son gets older I should have more time. My wife is a nurse and works shift work, so if she happens to work weekends, then I dont get to get much done. 

One thing that is obvious now that should have been sooner, is to group similar mods together as its faster to do 2 of the same one at the same time, then all of one, then all of the next. 

Wengers are all done, and I finished a 4 layer 93mm Ti model too, just waiting for the camera to charge then picture time.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 22, 2015, 11:18:32 PM
Here's the Ti 93mm.  Its got a vicious little serrated blade on there.  I believe the fellow that ordered this is a rock climber and wanted something for cutting ropes.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom368/IMG_1390.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom368/IMG_1430.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom368/IMG_1435.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom368/IMG_1445.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 22, 2015, 11:25:20 PM
And some wenger action...

A golfer plus the cigar cutter layer.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOWenger/IMG_1354.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOWenger/IMG_1359.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOWenger/IMG_1363.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOWenger/IMG_1368.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOWenger/IMG_1377.jpg)

And a single layer from the left over bits.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOWenger/IMG_1346.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOWenger/IMG_1348.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on February 23, 2015, 12:44:55 AM
Any reason you went with the corkscrew rather than the clubface groove cleaner as the backtool?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 23, 2015, 03:26:35 AM
Nice ones Syph, especially that titanium :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on February 23, 2015, 08:35:51 AM
It felt a bit 'uncomfortable' trying to work in the garage yesterday even with my tiny heater going which usually makes it barable.  Well! The news man this morning said we had the coldest day ever measured here in the last 80 years of tracking.  -34.1 C (-30 F)  That is cold.  I havent felt cold like that since I lived farther north.  Hello global warming where are you !?!

So... Im looking for a better heater today.  I did have a gas line run in the summer thinking that would be the route to go, but they are about 1200 for a gas heater.  The cheap part of me just wants to tough it out for another couple months.. we'll see.  :D

Just get a forge and all will be well.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on February 23, 2015, 09:16:50 AM
The Wengers look fantastic...exactly what I was hoping for, if not even better than imagined...thanks Syph.  These will be my EDC...with your BO Spartans as my backups.

Any reason you went with the corkscrew rather than the clubface groove cleaner as the backtool?

I never use the club cleaner and prefer having the corkscrew to open wines when needed.  Just a personal preference.  Also, this was the SAK I had envisioned for a custom run with Wenger before the Delemont factory was converted to Vic...with the exception of the BO.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mimifred on February 24, 2015, 09:49:41 PM
Hello, here is just a pic of the cerakote SAK you sent me a while ago that hasn't left my pocket since...

My question is : even if I like the worn cerakote, would It be possible to hard anodise the scales ? Let's say, in red ?

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/24/19b234af97312e50df58af247f4b784b.jpg)


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Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on February 24, 2015, 10:47:24 PM
Hello, here is just a pic of the cerakote SAK you sent me a while ago that hasn't left my pocket since...

My question is : even if I like the worn cerakote, would It be possible to hard anodise the scales ? Let's say, in red ?

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/24/19b234af97312e50df58af247f4b784b.jpg)


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very nice! I love the worn look. How long have you had this? Also, that lanyard is :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 24, 2015, 10:51:38 PM
Hello, here is just a pic of the cerakote SAK you sent me a while ago that hasn't left my pocket since...

My question is : even if I like the worn cerakote, would It be possible to hard anodise the scales ? Let's say, in red ?

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/24/19b234af97312e50df58af247f4b784b.jpg)


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Cool that does look nice actually.

I think cerakote would need to be blasted off with abrassives.  It would be easier to just pop on a fresh set of scales if you want a new color I think.  Im out of every color at the moment as Im waiting for a big resupply, but I'll have black and red again for next month.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mimifred on February 24, 2015, 11:06:34 PM


[/quote]very nice! I love the worn look. How long have you had this? Also, that lanyard is :tu:
[/quote]

I've had It since december 2013 so a bit more that a year...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mimifred on February 25, 2015, 10:17:02 PM


Cool that does look nice actually.

I think cerakote would need to be blasted off with abrassives.  It would be easier to just pop on a fresh set of scales if you want a new color I think.  Im out of every color at the moment as Im waiting for a big resupply, but I'll have black and red again for next month.

I will then probably order some
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 28, 2015, 06:16:32 PM
Today's job was a straight forward one.  The customer just wanted a new blade, awl and brass liner installed on this well traveled soldier.  He had asked Vic north america and they wouldnt fix it under warranty, but they sent him a free pioneer instead.  That's not too nice of treatment I think.  For repairs to alox I guess the SAKs need to be sent to the mother land.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom371/IMG_1642.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom371/IMG_1648.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom371/IMG_1656.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom371/IMG_1663.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 28, 2015, 06:46:23 PM
And some BO'd tinkers with red alox liners.  :D  These would look great with white scales I think.  I only have black and red right now though.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOTinkers/IMG_1590.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOTinkers/IMG_1551.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOTinkers/IMG_1559.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOTinkers/IMG_1561.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOTinkers/IMG_1570.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/BOTinkers/IMG_1577.jpg)


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 28, 2015, 06:56:12 PM
Today's job was a straight forward one.  The customer just wanted a new blade, awl and brass liner installed on this well traveled soldier.  He had asked Vic north america and they wouldnt fix it under warranty, but they sent him a free pioneer instead.  That's not too nice of treatment I think.  For repairs to alox I guess the SAKs need to be sent to the mother land.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom371/IMG_1642.jpg)


Love your new Alox's Syph but something like this really calls to me. Brass liners on a worn SAK is something special to look at.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 28, 2015, 07:02:13 PM
Today's job was a straight forward one.  The customer just wanted a new blade, awl and brass liner installed on this well traveled soldier.  He had asked Vic north america and they wouldnt fix it under warranty, but they sent him a free pioneer instead.  That's not too nice of treatment I think.  For repairs to alox I guess the SAKs need to be sent to the mother land.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom371/IMG_1642.jpg)


Love your new Alox's Syph but something like this really calls to me. Brass liners on a worn SAK is something special to look at.

Ya totally.  The guy I fixed it for said he carried it for many years and it had sentimental value, so he just wanted it to keep on going.  Brass is my favorite liner material, always looks good with any scales or colors.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on February 28, 2015, 07:03:28 PM
And some BO'd tinkers with red alox liners.  :D  These would look great with white scales I think.  I only have black and red right now though.
---

Any day now. They're in Canada since Wednesday. 


Also, :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 28, 2015, 07:09:07 PM
Damn that BO Tinker is sexay.....

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 28, 2015, 07:27:41 PM
And some BO'd tinkers with red alox liners.  :D  These would look great with white scales I think.  I only have black and red right now though.
---

Any day now. They're in Canada since Wednesday. 


Also, :drool:

Cool!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 28, 2015, 07:30:55 PM

Brass is my favorite liner material, always looks good with any scales or colors.   :tu:


Yes.

I am thinking brass liners on a Red shield black Alox with maybe scissors or Urban PHD mode. Would look so nice after a few years of carry.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 03, 2015, 07:21:44 PM
10 fieldmasters going for dissasseble right now.  They will most likely get converted to BO'd tinkers and hikers.  I like to make use of every part I can so there is no waste.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_1673.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_1678.jpg)

Thanks to Enki! I have white scales to put on some BO'd tinkers.  Making up 7 of them right now...  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_1680.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_1684.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 03, 2015, 07:46:33 PM
Would have saved some time if I had just waited for this.  :facepalm:

Love the BO action.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pettydroid on March 03, 2015, 09:06:19 PM
They look like a genuine complement for any iPhone addicts' EDC
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: neverused on March 06, 2015, 04:32:11 PM
I haven't been able to keep up with this thread lately, but I was wondering if you had been able to incorporate the nail file from a Cadet into a 93 mm frame? I know it has been thrown out there before.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 06, 2015, 05:04:55 PM
I haven't been able to keep up with this thread lately, but I was wondering if you had been able to incorporate the nail file from a Cadet into a 93 mm frame? I know it has been thrown out there before.

Yes Ive done that a few times.  The only catch is that it needs a custom made springs since the pivot end of the 84mm tools is smaller than the 93mm counterpart, but yes it works.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: neverused on March 06, 2015, 05:10:29 PM
I haven't been able to keep up with this thread lately, but I was wondering if you had been able to incorporate the nail file from a Cadet into a 93 mm frame? I know it has been thrown out there before.

Yes Ive done that a few times.  The only catch is that it needs a custom made springs since the pivot end of the 84mm tools is smaller than the 93mm counterpart, but yes it works.
Interesting, I'll have to find those models you made.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on March 06, 2015, 06:27:57 PM
Thanks Syph...the Wenger BO cigar golfers are now complete with their final scales.

(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc447/sf_duke/Wenger%20BO%20SAK%20Final%203.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mudtracks on March 12, 2015, 10:06:35 PM
still trying to catch up reading this whole spread! I was going to wait till I caught up to start chiming in on the chats but I can't wait any longer! lol I know you've heard it a million times, because I've read it a million times! your work is amazing and I love seeing what you come up with next! so ill get right to it, you've inspired me to start modding myself and I actually love working with the  58mms ( I know you have a forum for those also ), I just had a quick question in general. I received a pint of stainless BO and I want to darken my 1st set of components. Should I just clean them up real nice before dipping them in the solution with standard dish washing soap, etc. or should I prep them in ferric chloride or sulfuric acid to get the most out of BO on the components?

and my next question, I saw you posted a CAD drawing of your scissor spring around page 54 or so. would you have the specs on that? or am I crossing the line with that question? I'm considering going the route you did with ordering some 440 and finding a good waterjet guy.

Anyway, I hope to start adding my 2cents and ideas to this thread to keep these amazing looking mods come to life! Thanks again, keep up the amazing work Bob!

-Sean
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 12, 2015, 11:56:31 PM
still trying to catch up reading this whole spread! I was going to wait till I caught up to start chiming in on the chats but I can't wait any longer! lol I know you've heard it a million times, because I've read it a million times! your work is amazing and I love seeing what you come up with next! so ill get right to it, you've inspired me to start modding myself and I actually love working with the  58mms ( I know you have a forum for those also ), I just had a quick question in general. I received a pint of stainless BO and I want to darken my 1st set of components. Should I just clean them up real nice before dipping them in the solution with standard dish washing soap, etc. or should I prep them in ferric chloride or sulfuric acid to get the most out of BO on the components?

and my next question, I saw you posted a CAD drawing of your scissor spring around page 54 or so. would you have the specs on that? or am I crossing the line with that question? I'm considering going the route you did with ordering some 440 and finding a good waterjet guy.

Anyway, I hope to start adding my 2cents and ideas to this thread to keep these amazing looking mods come to life! Thanks again, keep up the amazing work Bob!

-Sean

Making the scissors backsprings is the closest thing to IP I think I have.  Im on revision 3 now and its getting better on each try.  If you want to have a try, keep in mind the springs will change shape during heat treat, and finishing them to look like a Vic spring is alot of work.  :D 

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 13, 2015, 12:00:09 AM
This took lots of effort today...

Deluxe tinker with....
- Blue Ti Scales
- Black Alox Liner
- Stainless steel tip on tweezers
- Still 2 less liners than stock :D

I got my cake and am enjoying eating it.  Dropped the scale liners and tweezers work fine with the backspring as backing! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom374/IMG_1828.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom374/IMG_1832.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom374/IMG_1840.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom374/IMG_1848.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom374/IMG_1864.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom374/IMG_1871.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom374/IMG_1885.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom374/IMG_1892.jpg)

I cut a hunk off a backspring and rivetted it on the stock tweezer, then shaped it to fit the scale cutout!   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom374/IMG_1926.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom374/IMG_1930.jpg)

Ti deluxe tinker with tweezers and NO PLASTIC PARTS!!!!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on March 13, 2015, 12:16:44 AM
Oh my freaking... :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on March 13, 2015, 12:29:12 AM
Holy TI Batman. :drool:

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on March 13, 2015, 12:35:24 AM
Yeah, I think my Rogueneer will be getting an upgrade next year ;)

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Post by: sf_duke on March 13, 2015, 01:40:48 AM
Sweet!!!
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Post by: captain spaulding on March 13, 2015, 03:26:26 AM
Oh my freaking... :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :drool: :drool: :drool:

+1. Incredibly drool worthy especially since I love the Deluxe Tinker.  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 13, 2015, 07:20:18 AM
Curses foiled again by my stupid work computer. I need pictures!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: user24 on March 13, 2015, 09:03:01 AM
That is so good.  :drool:
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Post by: Reinier on March 13, 2015, 09:15:43 AM
That may be your most awesomest (?) creation to date.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on March 13, 2015, 12:09:29 PM
This took lots of effort today...

Deluxe tinker with....
- Blue Ti Scales
- Black Alox Liner
- Stainless steel tip on tweezers
- Still 2 less liners than stock :D

I got my cake and am enjoying eating it.  Dropped the scale liners and tweezers work fine with the backspring as backing! :D


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom374/IMG_1871.jpg)


Ti deluxe tinker with tweezers and NO PLASTIC PARTS!!!!!!

This, with a corkscrew and an inline phillips facing the can/bottle opener would probably be my dream SAK.

 :salute: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mudtracks on March 13, 2015, 02:14:01 PM
Making the scissors backsprings is the closest thing to IP I think I have.  Im on revision 3 now and its getting better on each try.  If you want to have a try, keep in mind the springs will change shape during heat treat, and finishing them to look like a Vic spring is alot of work.  :D 



Gotcha, thanks for the advice and ill see what I can come up with. now for the BO do you prep them in ferric or sulfuric before the initial drop in the bo solution or just a regular cleanse will do? hah I'm kinda nervous to try it but ill post up progress pics if interested
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 13, 2015, 02:41:17 PM
Making the scissors backsprings is the closest thing to IP I think I have.  Im on revision 3 now and its getting better on each try.  If you want to have a try, keep in mind the springs will change shape during heat treat, and finishing them to look like a Vic spring is alot of work.  :D 



Gotcha, thanks for the advice and ill see what I can come up with. now for the BO do you prep them in ferric or sulfuric before the initial drop in the bo solution or just a regular cleanse will do? hah I'm kinda nervous to try it but ill post up progress pics if interested

I have an electroplater do the BO.  Its a hot caustic industrial process.  If you have the home kit for stainless I'm curious to see how that works out for you.  The guy I use has tuned the process for me and it comes out very nice, so its easier for me to have them do it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 13, 2015, 03:32:54 PM
That may be your most awesomest (?) creation to date.

Ya Im pretty happy with it!  The Ti frame really gives a tight snappy feel to the tools open/close and with the tweezer slot in back its not lacking tweezers, but still doesnt have the extra liners the cellidor SAKs do.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 13, 2015, 03:58:33 PM
Here is a comparison pic with standard deluxe tinker. Dropping those outer liners and having the Ti scales does save a noticeable amount of thickness.

 :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom374/IMG_1953.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on March 13, 2015, 05:46:58 PM
Curious how it compares to a 3-layer cellidor...my guess is they should be pretty close.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on March 14, 2015, 10:39:03 AM
So there's no liner to sandwich the tweezers.
Is the tang of the small blade in all positions enough to do that job?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bmot on March 14, 2015, 12:17:20 PM

So there's no liner to sandwich the tweezers.
Is the tang of the small blade in all positions enough to do that job?


Does this answer your question? :P

Dropped the scale liners and tweezers work fine with the backspring as backing! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 14, 2015, 03:16:43 PM



Does this answer your question? :P

Dropped the scale liners and tweezers work fine with the backspring as backing! :D

Yep exactly.  I made the slot exactly at the position of the backspring then tested the heck out of it opening and closing the small blade and moving the tweezer in an out.  I assumed I had to have the backing liner and thats the main reason I wanted to drop scale tools, but now that this method works, its win win from my point of view anyhow.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on March 15, 2015, 11:24:04 AM
Ah I must have missed that. :whistle:
Nice!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 16, 2015, 06:15:09 PM
I feel like I keep reluctantly joining the social media outlets.  I semi regularly post on facebook and a few days ago I found people discussing my SAKs on instagram so I had to join that so I could reply.  So... if anyone else uses instagram I made an account there.  https://instagram.com/robertjlessard  It would pretty much be the same content I post in this build thread, but in another format for the people who are not forum followers.

Cheers  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 16, 2015, 06:18:23 PM
I feel like I keep reluctantly joining the social media outlets.  I semi regularly post on facebook and a few days ago I found people discussing my SAKs on instagram so I had to join that so I could reply.  So... if anyone else uses instagram I made an account there.  https://instagram.com/robertjlessard  It would pretty much be the same content I post in this build thread, but in another format for the people who are not forum followers.

Cheers  :salute:

Wait.

There are people who are not followers of MTO?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on March 16, 2015, 06:23:16 PM
I feel like I keep reluctantly joining the social media outlets.  I semi regularly post on facebook and a few days ago I found people discussing my SAKs on instagram so I had to join that so I could reply.  So... if anyone else uses instagram I made an account there.  https://instagram.com/robertjlessard  It would pretty much be the same content I post in this build thread, but in another format for the people who are not forum followers.

Cheers  :salute:

Wait.

There are people who are not followers of MTO?
Those people need some serious help!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 16, 2015, 06:25:31 PM
I feel like I keep reluctantly joining the social media outlets.  I semi regularly post on facebook and a few days ago I found people discussing my SAKs on instagram so I had to join that so I could reply.  So... if anyone else uses instagram I made an account there.  https://instagram.com/robertjlessard  It would pretty much be the same content I post in this build thread, but in another format for the people who are not forum followers.

Cheers  :salute:

Wait.

There are people who are not followers of MTO?
Those people need some serious help!!

You can lead SAK enthusiasts to a forum, but you can't make em join!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 16, 2015, 06:41:06 PM
I feel like I keep reluctantly joining the social media outlets.  I semi regularly post on facebook and a few days ago I found people discussing my SAKs on instagram so I had to join that so I could reply.  So... if anyone else uses instagram I made an account there.  https://instagram.com/robertjlessard  It would pretty much be the same content I post in this build thread, but in another format for the people who are not forum followers.

Cheers  :salute:

Wait.

There are people who are not followers of MTO?
Those people need some serious help!!

You can lead SAK enthusiasts to a forum, but you can't make em join!

 :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kosmo on March 16, 2015, 06:59:04 PM
I feel like I keep reluctantly joining the social media outlets.  I semi regularly post on facebook and a few days ago I found people discussing my SAKs on instagram so I had to join that so I could reply.  So... if anyone else uses instagram I made an account there.  https://instagram.com/robertjlessard  It would pretty much be the same content I post in this build thread, but in another format for the people who are not forum followers.

Cheers  :salute:

I don't use a smart phone, so it appears I can't join instagram.  I use Pinterest.com.  I find Pinterest is also good for researching finding inspiration in other's ideas.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on March 16, 2015, 11:43:03 PM
I feel like I keep reluctantly joining the social media outlets.  I semi regularly post on facebook and a few days ago I found people discussing my SAKs on instagram so I had to join that so I could reply.  So... if anyone else uses instagram I made an account there.  https://instagram.com/robertjlessard  It would pretty much be the same content I post in this build thread, but in another format for the people who are not forum followers.

Cheers  :salute:

Wait.

There are people who are not followers of MTO?
Those people need some serious help!!
You want I should go bust their kneecaps? >:)

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on March 16, 2015, 11:46:59 PM
I feel like I keep reluctantly joining the social media outlets.  I semi regularly post on facebook and a few days ago I found people discussing my SAKs on instagram so I had to join that so I could reply.  So... if anyone else uses instagram I made an account there.  https://instagram.com/robertjlessard  It would pretty much be the same content I post in this build thread, but in another format for the people who are not forum followers.

Cheers  :salute:

Wait.

There are people who are not followers of MTO?
Those people need some serious help!!
You want I should go bust their kneecaps? >:)

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk

Take a box to stand on, then you can punch their nuts.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on March 17, 2015, 12:12:22 AM
I feel like I keep reluctantly joining the social media outlets.  I semi regularly post on facebook and a few days ago I found people discussing my SAKs on instagram so I had to join that so I could reply.  So... if anyone else uses instagram I made an account there.  https://instagram.com/robertjlessard  It would pretty much be the same content I post in this build thread, but in another format for the people who are not forum followers.

Cheers  :salute:

Wait.

There are people who are not followers of MTO?
Those people need some serious help!!
You want I should go bust their kneecaps? >:)

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk

Take a box to stand on, then you can punch their nuts.  :D
Oh you are a hi-laaaaarious lobster thing aren't ya?  ;p

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 17, 2015, 04:20:16 AM
I feel like I keep reluctantly joining the social media outlets.  I semi regularly post on facebook and a few days ago I found people discussing my SAKs on instagram so I had to join that so I could reply.  So... if anyone else uses instagram I made an account there.  https://instagram.com/robertjlessard  It would pretty much be the same content I post in this build thread, but in another format for the people who are not forum followers.

Cheers  :salute:

Wait.

There are people who are not followers of MTO?
Those people need some serious help!!
You want I should go bust their kneecaps? >:)

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk

Take a box to stand on, then you can punch their nuts.  :D
Oh you are a hi-laaaaarious lobster thing aren't ya?  ;p

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk

I so agree with you K-Tiz.

Everyone knows little people use a long stick to hit the grown ups with,
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on March 17, 2015, 05:15:11 AM
I feel like I keep reluctantly joining the social media outlets.  I semi regularly post on facebook and a few days ago I found people discussing my SAKs on instagram so I had to join that so I could reply.  So... if anyone else uses instagram I made an account there.  https://instagram.com/robertjlessard  It would pretty much be the same content I post in this build thread, but in another format for the people who are not forum followers.

Cheers  :salute:

Wait.

There are people who are not followers of MTO?
Those people need some serious help!!
You want I should go bust their kneecaps? >:)

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk

Take a box to stand on, then you can punch their nuts.  :D
Oh you are a hi-laaaaarious lobster thing aren't ya?  ;p

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk

I so agree with you K-Tiz.

Everyone knows little people use a long stick to hit the grown ups with,

Hey! :rant:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on March 17, 2015, 05:18:20 AM

I feel like I keep reluctantly joining the social media outlets.  I semi regularly post on facebook and a few days ago I found people discussing my SAKs on instagram so I had to join that so I could reply.  So... if anyone else uses instagram I made an account there.  https://instagram.com/robertjlessard  It would pretty much be the same content I post in this build thread, but in another format for the people who are not forum followers.

Cheers  :salute:

Wait.

There are people who are not followers of MTO?
Those people need some serious help!!
You want I should go bust their kneecaps? >:)

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk

Take a box to stand on, then you can punch their nuts.  :D
Oh you are a hi-laaaaarious lobster thing aren't ya?  ;p

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk

I so agree with you K-Tiz.

Everyone knows little people use a long stick to hit the grown ups with,
:twak:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on March 17, 2015, 05:19:46 AM
You tell 'em mrynnr :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 17, 2015, 05:59:21 AM
You tell 'em mrynnr :tu:

I am pretty sure Mary was just posting a picture of you using the aforementioned stick.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on March 17, 2015, 06:02:44 AM

You tell 'em mrynnr :tu:

I am pretty sure Mary was just posting a picture of you using the aforementioned stick.
no, that's me, a short person, hitting you with a stick :P :twak:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 17, 2015, 11:05:18 AM

You tell 'em mrynnr :tu:

I am pretty sure Mary was just posting a picture of you using the aforementioned stick.
no, that's me, a short person, hitting you with a stick :P :twak:

How did you know?

Also make sure you do not tell my wife she does not like to share.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 18, 2015, 11:42:59 PM
Ver 2 of my liners locks are ready for pickup tomorrow.  I'm going to keep my excitement on this low until I know they work this time though. :D  I did make a number of design changes for Ver 2 though so Im optimistic.  Im going to be cutting notches for the lock to engage the blade and I think this will make alot of difference for lockup and I added some jimping to the top for the thumb which I noticed right away was needed on ver 1 when I tried it.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=142965;image)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on March 18, 2015, 11:47:06 PM
:popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on March 18, 2015, 11:49:07 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on March 18, 2015, 11:50:47 PM
:popcorn:
Give it back. :twak:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on March 18, 2015, 11:53:41 PM
So much want
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on March 19, 2015, 12:00:03 AM
:popcorn:
Give it back. :twak:

Theirs enough popcorn to share.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on March 19, 2015, 12:02:00 AM
:popcorn:
Give it back. :twak:

Theirs enough popcorn to share.  :D

Like I'll believe your 13,666th post. ::) So many bad omens in that number. :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on March 19, 2015, 12:04:26 AM
:popcorn:
Give it back. :twak:

Theirs enough popcorn to share.  :D

Like I'll believe your 13,666th post. ::) So many bad omens in that number. :ahhh


(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100702150413/simpsons/images/6/6a/Mr_Burns_evil.gif)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on March 19, 2015, 03:26:32 AM
Do you think the toothpick will work same as the tweezers did?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kosmo on March 19, 2015, 03:29:45 AM
What they said ... :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 19, 2015, 07:56:06 PM
Well they look right, now I need time to try them out.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Liner%20Lock/IMG_1998.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Liner%20Lock/IMG_2000.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 19, 2015, 07:58:07 PM
The 91mm alox was ready too.  :D

Good parts day!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/IMG_2006.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/IMG_2017.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on March 19, 2015, 08:20:37 PM
Those checkered 91mm scales look great. Do you have more than just that one set?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 19, 2015, 08:26:47 PM
Those checkered 91mm scales look great. Do you have more than just that one set?

Yup I did 10.  3 are spoken for so far.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on March 19, 2015, 08:33:57 PM
OK! I'll PM or email you in a bit :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kosmo on March 19, 2015, 09:35:59 PM
The 91mm alox was ready too.  :D

Good parts day!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/IMG_2006.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/IMG_2017.jpg)

:popcorn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arZdeg_fL-I
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: djmattm on March 19, 2015, 10:15:21 PM
Wow these are some massive updates!! I am so thrilled about these news!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on March 19, 2015, 10:20:09 PM
Those scales are so minty.  :drool:  WANT WANT WANT!  :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 20, 2015, 01:06:39 AM
Well they look right, now I need time to try them out.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Liner%20Lock/IMG_2000.jpg)

Oh I forgot to mention a good  :facepalm: moment...

I explained to the waterjet guy about why ver 1 was a waste and didnt work and he said if I wasnt sure if a part was 100% his policy is to cut one for free from his scrap material and repeat until its correct so the customer doesnt waste money.  So at least NOW I know that and I think thats awesome customer service.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on March 20, 2015, 01:48:30 AM
Can't wait to see one assembled and see how it works out.  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on March 20, 2015, 02:33:35 AM
The 91mm alox scales look amazing!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 20, 2015, 02:44:54 AM
Can't wait to see one assembled and see how it works out.  :drool:
+1, this is should be interesting!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 20, 2015, 08:41:12 AM
Syph, them 91mm scales are already anoed black or you have not done any color yet?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on March 20, 2015, 09:52:08 AM
Oh I forgot to mention a good  :facepalm: moment...

I explained to the waterjet guy about why ver 1 was a waste and didnt work and he said if I wasnt sure if a part was 100% his policy is to cut one for free from his scrap material and repeat until its correct so the customer doesnt waste money.  So at least NOW I know that and I think thats awesome customer service.   :tu:

Good customer service. :tu:

Liners look good, looking forward to seeing the results.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 20, 2015, 08:53:40 PM
I said I wouldnt ever bother with home anodizing, but Ive been browsing the caswell site and they do have a starter kit that I wouldnt mind trying.

(http://www.caswellcanada.ca/shop/images/P/AN1.jpg)

Thats not for hard anodize, but I can do standard anodize and use colors not available to hard anodize like bright orange and OD green which would be popular I think.  As well as I can do one off scales of different colors and not have to commit 10-12 sets for a color based on cost. 

Ive also been doing some research on hard anodizing and kinda want to figure out the difference and how it's done.  Seems to be sort of secret per shop, but I have some ideas and it would be fun to use my chemistry degree for something.  :D

OD green anodize with black tools would be very nice I think.  Did Vic ever release an OD green special run?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pettydroid on March 20, 2015, 09:07:50 PM
Can't wait for the results, Bob. The idea looks very promising ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on March 21, 2015, 12:45:53 AM
It looks like a lot of fun.
I love the way you keep improving your skills and products.  Salute sir
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on March 21, 2015, 12:57:34 AM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 21, 2015, 01:03:51 AM
I think I said a couple years ago I was going to start making more videos, but well I haven't posted a new one since then.  :D  I never got a proper video camera so Im still using my phone but I wanted to make a video to try to explain to people why exactly I do make the custom backsprings. 

When I sell to people who aren't familiar with this modding thread or the subtleties of alox modding etc I need a way to explain why I went to the effort of investing in making them... anyway... so I finally made a 5 minute rambling video trying to explain.  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HkoII-OMDY
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on March 21, 2015, 01:11:02 AM
Very informative video :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on March 21, 2015, 01:12:18 AM
Thanks for the video. Very informative.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 21, 2015, 01:27:28 AM
Very nice video :tu: I like how the container made a good billboard for the custom springs! Good display, lol. Bet you didn't even know that did you?
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on March 21, 2015, 02:26:07 AM

I said I wouldnt ever bother with home anodizing, but Ive been browsing the caswell site and they do have a starter kit that I wouldnt mind trying.

(http://www.caswellcanada.ca/shop/images/P/AN1.jpg)

Thats not for hard anodize, but I can do standard anodize and use colors not available to hard anodize like bright orange and OD green which would be popular I think.  As well as I can do one off scales of different colors and not have to commit 10-12 sets for a color based on cost. 

Ive also been doing some research on hard anodizing and kinda want to figure out the difference and how it's done.  Seems to be sort of secret per shop, but I have some ideas and it would be fun to use my chemistry degree for something.  :D

OD green anodize with black tools would be very nice I think.  Did Vic ever release an OD green special run?

Hard ano requires higher voltage and cooling devices.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 21, 2015, 02:59:32 AM

I said I wouldnt ever bother with home anodizing, but Ive been browsing the caswell site and they do have a starter kit that I wouldnt mind trying.


Thats not for hard anodize, but I can do standard anodize and use colors not available to hard anodize like bright orange and OD green which would be popular I think.  As well as I can do one off scales of different colors and not have to commit 10-12 sets for a color based on cost. 

Ive also been doing some research on hard anodizing and kinda want to figure out the difference and how it's done.  Seems to be sort of secret per shop, but I have some ideas and it would be fun to use my chemistry degree for something.  :D

OD green anodize with black tools would be very nice I think.  Did Vic ever release an OD green special run?

Hard ano requires higher voltage and cooling devices.

Thats what I figured, but since the amount of current needed depends on the surface area of the part, and sak scales are small compared to some things that get hard ano'd.. how much current would it take to anodize one set at a time?  Thats what im thinking... and I have no idea.   I know you have to bubble air through the sulfuric ( or maybe pure O2, not sure ) but Id like to figure it out.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on March 21, 2015, 01:18:51 PM
Looking forward to more videos now. ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 22, 2015, 06:26:31 PM
So those 91mm alox work well!  Wow Im pleased the feel is very nice, grippy and boy does it ever stiffen up the frame compared to the standard cellidor model!

I got a video uploading too showing the action.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/CNC/IMG_2221.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/CNC/IMG_2227.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/CNC/IMG_2233.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/CNC/IMG_2234.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/CNC/IMG_2238.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/CNC/IMG_2248.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/CNC/IMG_2251.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/CNC/IMG_2254.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/CNC/IMG_2270.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/CNC/IMG_2308.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on March 22, 2015, 06:34:16 PM
Very nice!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on March 22, 2015, 07:14:10 PM
Very nice indeed :)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 22, 2015, 08:45:09 PM
And another low quality cell phone vid!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emLkKoBxb8A
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on March 22, 2015, 09:16:32 PM
:ahhh back tools and 93 snap. And that color combination...
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Post by: zoidberg on March 22, 2015, 11:08:44 PM
That is very nice Syph.  :tu:
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Post by: Reinier on March 22, 2015, 11:32:14 PM
I see you're selling it :ahhh
I'm sure it will be sold pretty fast :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 22, 2015, 11:36:12 PM
I see you're selling it :ahhh
I'm sure it will be sold pretty fast :)

I made 2 today, one is already gone.  The other is on ebay... fishing to see if anyone bites.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on March 22, 2015, 11:40:28 PM
I see. Well, I'm sure someone will. I almost did :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: TazzieRob on March 23, 2015, 12:33:58 AM

I said I wouldnt ever bother with home anodizing, but Ive been browsing the caswell site and they do have a starter kit that I wouldnt mind trying.


Thats not for hard anodize, but I can do standard anodize and use colors not available to hard anodize like bright orange and OD green which would be popular I think.  As well as I can do one off scales of different colors and not have to commit 10-12 sets for a color based on cost. 

Ive also been doing some research on hard anodizing and kinda want to figure out the difference and how it's done.  Seems to be sort of secret per shop, but I have some ideas and it would be fun to use my chemistry degree for something.  :D

OD green anodize with black tools would be very nice I think.  Did Vic ever release an OD green special run?

Hard ano requires higher voltage and cooling devices.

Thats what I figured, but since the amount of current needed depends on the surface area of the part, and sak scales are small compared to some things that get hard ano'd.. how much current would it take to anodize one set at a time?  Thats what im thinking... and I have no idea.   I know you have to bubble air through the sulfuric ( or maybe pure O2, not sure ) but Id like to figure it out.

If you know what the surface area of the piece is, you can work out how much current is required due to the required current density.  If your power supply can deliver constant current, the voltage will rise as the resistance rises with increased oxide thickness.  A smaller piece will require less current and voltage to achieve the required current density.  I don't know what they should be, but there must be some info available out there.  This article popped up in a quick google search

http://www.luster-on.com/AnodizingbyConstantCurrentDensity_001.pdf
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 23, 2015, 01:49:12 AM
Thanks for the info!  Yes I do remember the 720 rule and I have a power supply that can do constant current.  If I could get a 1mil thick coating on home anodize Id be pretty happy with that actually as stock anodize is thinner than that.

I had another realization as well with home anodize I can do some more fiddling around with masking and preserve the red of the shield I think which would be cool.

So I think I talked myself into ordering the starter kit tomorrow and see what I can figure out.  :D

OD green would be wonderful.... I like the OD green cerakote but I think id still prefer anodize.
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Post by: TazzieRob on March 23, 2015, 02:29:26 AM
If you have 3D CAD drawings of the parts you should be able to get pretty accurate surface area values.  Good luck with it, I'm interested to see what results you obtain  :cheers:
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Post by: Syph007 on March 23, 2015, 02:53:35 AM
I see. Well, I'm sure someone will. I almost did :)

And its gone... seems people DO like 91mm alox.  I just ordered another 20 sets to be milled, and if I go ahead and get that anodize setup I can do OD green ones as well as black for the next batch...  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 24, 2015, 12:26:09 AM
If you have 3D CAD drawings of the parts you should be able to get pretty accurate surface area values.  Good luck with it, I'm interested to see what results you obtain  :cheers:

I did some reading on anodize theory, its really facinating.  The alum oxide grows perpendicular from the surface like little hairs from the surface.  The spacing of those 'hairs' its what determines the hardness (not layer thickness as I had thought).  Now.. the higher the current density the smaller the pore size (space between the hairs) and the harder it is to dye which is why hard anodize has less dye options as only some dyes are small enough to fit in the smaller pores!

Similarly if the current density is too low, the 'hairs' are too far apart and the dye wont be trapped, and color will leak back out even if sealed.

So!  This is right up my alley for careful controlled experimentation and taking notes it will be like being back in the lab, but making cool parts too...

And now that I found blue masking lacquer, I can mask off the shields and then dye the scales any color!  :D :D :D


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on March 24, 2015, 08:49:29 AM
If you have 3D CAD drawings of the parts you should be able to get pretty accurate surface area values.  Good luck with it, I'm interested to see what results you obtain  :cheers:

I did some reading on anodize theory, its really facinating.  The alum oxide grows perpendicular from the surface like little hairs from the surface.  The spacing of those 'hairs' its what determines the hardness (not layer thickness as I had thought).  Now.. the higher the current density the smaller the pore size (space between the hairs) and the harder it is to dye which is why hard anodize has less dye options as only some dyes are small enough to fit in the smaller pores!

Similarly if the current density is too low, the 'hairs' are too far apart and the dye wont be trapped, and color will leak back out even if sealed.

So!  This is right up my alley for careful controlled experimentation and taking notes it will be like being back in the lab, but making cool parts too...

And now that I found blue masking lacquer, I can mask off the shields and then dye the scales any color!  :D :D :D
Sounds awesome. The explanation of growing like hair gives me a goosebumps.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 24, 2015, 07:59:42 PM
More 91mm grenade texture alox! :D  Compact toolset with brass liner.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom378/IMG_2466.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom378/IMG_2377.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom378/IMG_2446.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom378/IMG_2398.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom378/IMG_2410.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom378/IMG_2420.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom378/IMG_2460.jpg)

Cheers!
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Post by: sf_duke on March 24, 2015, 09:08:06 PM
Nice mod Syph....the brass liner looks sharp...
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Post by: Reinier on March 24, 2015, 09:27:01 PM
Beautiful. Now all it needs is a mini screwdriver (in brass instead of plastic) 8)
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Post by: Syph007 on March 24, 2015, 09:42:37 PM
Beautiful. Now all it needs is a mini screwdriver (in brass instead of plastic) 8)

That would be cool.  I think that would be tricky to do by hand though.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: neillcurrie on March 24, 2015, 10:16:15 PM
Beautiful. Now all it needs is a mini screwdriver (in brass instead of plastic) 8)

That would be cool.  I think that would be tricky to do by hand though.  :D

I suspect you could make the brass screwed part, and solidly insert the screwdriver blade somehow (maybe a tight press fit would be sufficient, as the torque on the blade is very miniscule). But you'd have more of a problem tuning the fit of the whole screwdriver into the corkscrew.
Brass doesn't have the "give" that plastic offers, the fit would need to be especially precise, and maybe a tight cork or two would ruin the fit again  :( :(
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Post by: Monrogue on March 24, 2015, 10:39:07 PM
Looks great Syph!

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Post by: Reinier on March 24, 2015, 10:39:30 PM
Beautiful. Now all it needs is a mini screwdriver (in brass instead of plastic) 8)

That would be cool.  I think that would be tricky to do by hand though.  :D

Oh come on, if anyone can do it... ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on March 24, 2015, 10:43:55 PM
Beautiful. Now all it needs is a mini screwdriver (in brass instead of plastic) 8)

That would be cool.  I think that would be tricky to do by hand though.  :D

I suspect you could make the brass screwed part, and solidly insert the screwdriver blade somehow (maybe a tight press fit would be sufficient, as the torque on the blade is very miniscule). But you'd have more of a problem tuning the fit of the whole screwdriver into the corkscrew.
Brass doesn't have the "give" that plastic offers, the fit would need to be especially precise, and maybe a tight cork or two would ruin the fit again  :( :(

I don't think a tight fit is necessary. A little play would be fine, it can't fall out anyways. I remember seeing a metal one posted here on MTo some time ago.
I'll ask a friend of mine who just upgraded his 3D printer to a very sophisticated model. Maybe he can print one in a cool material/color.
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Post by: Syph007 on March 24, 2015, 10:53:43 PM
Beautiful. Now all it needs is a mini screwdriver (in brass instead of plastic) 8)

That would be cool.  I think that would be tricky to do by hand though.  :D

I suspect you could make the brass screwed part, and solidly insert the screwdriver blade somehow (maybe a tight press fit would be sufficient, as the torque on the blade is very miniscule). But you'd have more of a problem tuning the fit of the whole screwdriver into the corkscrew.
Brass doesn't have the "give" that plastic offers, the fit would need to be especially precise, and maybe a tight cork or two would ruin the fit again  :( :(

I don't think a tight fit is necessary. A little play would be fine, it can't fall out anyways. I remember seeing a metal one posted here on MTo some time ago.
I'll ask a friend of mine who just upgraded his 3D printer to a very sophisticated model. Maybe he can print one in a cool material/color.

That would be a good candidate cor printing.

As a challange to do by hand i would start with square bar stock and mark each side and use a jewelers saw to cut but sanding the inside part would take a long time.
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Post by: Syph007 on March 25, 2015, 09:35:17 PM
I guess this one would be a yeoman tinker... hmm ya that sounds about right.  Just for conversation sake of the 7 91mm alox/Ti customs only one had the corkscrew so far, but whenever there is a poll people choose the corkscrew about 9 to 1.   :think:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom379/IMG_2476.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom379/IMG_2484.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom379/IMG_2492.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom379/IMG_2495.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom379/IMG_2500.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom379/IMG_2510.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom379/IMG_2516.jpg)
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Post by: Reinier on March 25, 2015, 09:48:13 PM
Unusual choice, two Phillips drivers :think:

I feel so special now, with the only corkscrew-equipped SAK ;)
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Post by: enki_ck on March 25, 2015, 09:52:40 PM
I realized this week that I don't have a single Vic SAK with a backlayered Phillips. :o And only two Wengers with that feature.

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Post by: Syph007 on March 25, 2015, 09:57:35 PM
Unusual choice, two Phillips drivers :think:

I feel so special now, with the only corkscrew-equipped SAK ;)

The custom 111mm Im putting together has 3 phillips! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 25, 2015, 09:58:51 PM
I realized this week that I don't have a single Vic SAK with a backlayered Phillips. :o And only two Wengers with that feature.

Its not that its my preference for use, but I like the feel of the SAK better without the corkscrew.  To be honest I dont use either ever, but since it has to be there, I pick phillips.
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Post by: sf_duke on March 25, 2015, 10:11:34 PM
I guess this one would be a yeoman tinker... hmm ya that sounds about right.

Sweet!!!  Nice work Syph.  Kirk13 on another thread coined this version the "Duke of Yeoman", but I like the "Yeoman Tinker" equally.

I realized this week that I don't have a single Vic SAK with a backlayered Phillips. :o And only two Wengers with that feature.

Funny you mentioned this.  I have only seen the two Phillips implements (inline and backtool) on Wengers and not on a Vic.  The Wenger Matterhorn is a good example of this.
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Post by: Reinier on March 25, 2015, 10:14:33 PM
Funny you mentioned this.  I have only seen the two Phillips implements (inline and backtool) on Wengers and not on a Vic.  The Wenger Matterhorn is a good example of this.

http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Master+Electrician :salute:
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Post by: sf_duke on March 25, 2015, 10:20:41 PM
http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Master+Electrician :salute:

Thanks for sharing Reinier...
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Post by: Syph007 on March 25, 2015, 10:45:26 PM
I was asked how my custom alox scales compared in thickness to normal scales.

Here is my super tinker vs a farmer.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/IMG_2544.jpg)

And here is a standard super tinker compared to my alox super tinker.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/91mm%20Alox/IMG_2569.jpg)
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Post by: sf_duke on March 25, 2015, 10:58:29 PM
I was asked how my custom alox scales compared in thickness to normal scales.

Here is my super tinker vs a farmer.

And here is a standard super tinker compared to my alox super tinker.

Thanks for posting the pics Syph.  Great to see the comparisons.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 26, 2015, 05:40:10 PM
This would be the biggest 91mm alox Ive done so far with the new scales.  A troubleshooter!  This one is going to the man who did the 3D CAD file work... Tofty!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom380/IMG_2597.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom380/IMG_2603.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom380/IMG_2620.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom380/IMG_2629.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom380/IMG_2641.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom380/IMG_2653.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on March 26, 2015, 05:50:07 PM
That's similar to my MechaRogue ;). Very nice.  Love that black/red theme.  So you haven't done any with T&T yet?

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Post by: Syph007 on March 26, 2015, 06:11:48 PM
That's similar to my MechaRogue ;). Very nice.  Love that black/red theme.  So you haven't done any with T&T yet?

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Nope I would have had to make the slots before anodize.  If I end up doing home anodize then I can do that better instead of guessing ahead of time.  So far Ive only done the tweezer on a Ti91.

Oh and now its been 8, 91mm mods and still only 1 corkscrew.... where is the love of the corkscrew eh! :D
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on March 26, 2015, 07:10:34 PM
This is one of the first mods I was planning long ago. I'm so glad you got this working.
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Post by: enki_ck on March 26, 2015, 07:49:49 PM
Peter's gonna need some steel toed boots just in case he drops it. :ahhh


:D
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Post by: Syph007 on March 26, 2015, 10:44:25 PM
Peter's gonna need some steel toed boots just in case he drops it. :ahhh


:D

Its still smaller than a swiss champ :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on March 26, 2015, 11:53:37 PM
That's similar to my MechaRogue ;). Very nice.  Love that black/red theme.  So you haven't done any with T&T yet?

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Nope I would have had to make the slots before anodize.  If I end up doing home anodize then I can do that better instead of guessing ahead of time.  So far Ive only done the tweezer on a Ti91.

Oh and now its been 8, 91mm mods and still only 1 corkscrew.... where is the love of the corkscrew eh! :D
Well I know when next year comes around and my annual Syph job is near, I'll want T&T in my scales.  I'd probably want the reverse color scheme of the MechaRogue, red scales with black liners and cross (if you're doing that).  Man, I can't wait ;)

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Post by: Syph007 on March 27, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
A new review video for anyone who speaks German. 

I hope he liked it since I dont speak German.  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO6P0AxK20Y
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on March 27, 2015, 03:00:46 PM
A new review video for anyone who speaks German. 

I hope he liked it since I dont speak German.  :D
First, its mostly general information:
- about brass liners
- tang stamp
- presentation of the tools
- blade material, hardness of the tools

About your work:
Unlike other modders your work has the same built quality as a factory model, the blade has no side to side play and the implements have the same snap as the factory model.
He also mentions the price and warns that those modded knifes loose the Victorinox warranty.

Finally he does some comparison to the Farmer:
Weight goes up from 85g to 122g, that is quite a jump (is this due to the brass liners?)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 27, 2015, 03:05:08 PM
A new review video for anyone who speaks German. 

I hope he liked it since I dont speak German.  :D
First, its mostly general information:
- about brass liners
- tang stamp
- presentation of the tools
- blade material, hardness of the tools

About your work:
Unlike other modders your work has the same built quality as a factory model, the blade has no side to side play and the implements have the same snap as the factory model.
He also mentions the price and warns that those modded knifes loose the Victorinox warranty.

Finally he does some comparison to the Farmer:
Weight goes up from 85g to 122g, that is quite a jump (is this due to the brass liners?)

Thanks for the synopsis! :D

Brass does weigh a bit more but that model has an extra backspring and phillips too.  I probably should compile a list of models with their weights.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on March 27, 2015, 03:06:57 PM
A new review video for anyone who speaks German. 

I hope he liked it since I dont speak German.  :D
First, its mostly general information:
- about brass liners
- tang stamp
- presentation of the tools
- blade material, hardness of the tools

About your work:
Unlike other modders your work has the same built quality as a factory model, the blade has no side to side play and the implements have the same snap as the factory model.
He also mentions the price and warns that those modded knifes loose the Victorinox warranty.

Finally he does some comparison to the Farmer:
Weight goes up from 85g to 122g, that is quite a jump (is this due to the brass liners?)

Thanks for the synopsis! :D

Brass does weight a bit more but that model has an extra backspring and phillips too.  I probably should compile a list of models with their weights.
That would be very interesting :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: neillcurrie on March 27, 2015, 05:21:05 PM
Beautiful. Now all it needs is a mini screwdriver (in brass instead of plastic) 8)

That would be cool.  I think that would be tricky to do by hand though.  :D

I suspect you could make the brass screwed part, and solidly insert the screwdriver blade somehow (maybe a tight press fit would be sufficient, as the torque on the blade is very miniscule). But you'd have more of a problem tuning the fit of the whole screwdriver into the corkscrew.
Brass doesn't have the "give" that plastic offers, the fit would need to be especially precise, and maybe a tight cork or two would ruin the fit again  :( :(

I don't think a tight fit is necessary. A little play would be fine, it can't fall out anyways. I remember seeing a metal one posted here on MTo some time ago.
I'll ask a friend of mine who just upgraded his 3D printer to a very sophisticated model. Maybe he can print one in a cool material/color.

The "tight fit" I was writing about referred to the screwdriver blade fitting into the brass screwed body. That has to be at least resistant to any screwing forces.
I agree, the whole screwdriver could be fairly lose in the corkscrew as it can't go anywhere.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 27, 2015, 05:25:34 PM
Beautiful. Now all it needs is a mini screwdriver (in brass instead of plastic) 8)

That would be cool.  I think that would be tricky to do by hand though.  :D

I suspect you could make the brass screwed part, and solidly insert the screwdriver blade somehow (maybe a tight press fit would be sufficient, as the torque on the blade is very miniscule). But you'd have more of a problem tuning the fit of the whole screwdriver into the corkscrew.
Brass doesn't have the "give" that plastic offers, the fit would need to be especially precise, and maybe a tight cork or two would ruin the fit again  :( :(

I don't think a tight fit is necessary. A little play would be fine, it can't fall out anyways. I remember seeing a metal one posted here on MTo some time ago.
I'll ask a friend of mine who just upgraded his 3D printer to a very sophisticated model. Maybe he can print one in a cool material/color.

The "tight fit" I was writing about referred to the screwdriver blade fitting into the brass screwed body. That has to be at least resistant to any screwing forces.
I agree, the whole screwdriver could be fairly lose in the corkscrew as it can't go anywhere.

I bet a tight fit hole could be drilled, then heat the part up to make the metal expand and insert the bit.

Brass expands/contracts with heat so I think that would work. 

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 27, 2015, 05:28:52 PM
I took a quick video of the troubleshooter before it went off to it's new home in the UK.  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dgnc_o3P9M&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 27, 2015, 07:44:25 PM
Now Im back to 93mm moddin' with a pioneer + phillips today.  :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom381/IMG_2693.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 27, 2015, 07:46:24 PM
Oh and next up is the first use of the liner locks finally! :D

It's actually going to be first used for the rescue blade from a 111mm SAK.  The blade will need a little tweaking but it looks like it should work fine.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=143779;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on March 27, 2015, 07:49:22 PM
Oh and next up is the first use of the liner locks finally! :D

It's actually going to be first used for the rescue blade form a 111mm SAK.  The blade will need a little tweaking but it looks like it should work fine.

Any particular reason for the wavy cut? I'm guessing it's stronger, because a straight cut would be easier to make.

 :think: :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kosmo on March 27, 2015, 08:15:26 PM
Oh and next up is the first use of the liner locks finally! :D

It's actually going to be first used for the rescue blade form a 111mm SAK.  The blade will need a little tweaking but it looks like it should work fine.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=143779;image)

:popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on March 27, 2015, 09:08:13 PM
Oh and next up is the first use of the liner locks finally! :D

It's actually going to be first used for the rescue blade form a 111mm SAK.  The blade will need a little tweaking but it looks like it should work fine.

Any particular reason for the wavy cut? I'm guessing it's stronger, because a straight cut would be easier to make.

 :think: :think:
I presume, its at a clients request :whistle:

 :woohoo:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 27, 2015, 10:06:47 PM
Oh and next up is the first use of the liner locks finally! :D

It's actually going to be first used for the rescue blade form a 111mm SAK.  The blade will need a little tweaking but it looks like it should work fine.

Any particular reason for the wavy cut? I'm guessing it's stronger, because a straight cut would be easier to make.

 :think: :think:


In an attempt to not have any stress points.  No right angles etc. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 27, 2015, 11:30:39 PM
A new review video for anyone who speaks German. 

I hope he liked it since I dont speak German.  :D
First, its mostly general information:
- about brass liners
- tang stamp
- presentation of the tools
- blade material, hardness of the tools

About your work:
Unlike other modders your work has the same built quality as a factory model, the blade has no side to side play and the implements have the same snap as the factory model.
He also mentions the price and warns that those modded knifes loose the Victorinox warranty.

Finally he does some comparison to the Farmer:
Weight goes up from 85g to 122g, that is quite a jump (is this due to the brass liners?)

Thanks for the synopsis! :D

Brass does weigh a bit more but that model has an extra backspring and phillips too.  I probably should compile a list of models with their weights.

Yes weight and width would be great. Can't start it till you build my custom now that I am back home.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Heywood Floyd on March 28, 2015, 02:33:37 AM
A new review video for anyone who speaks German. 

I hope he liked it since I dont speak German.  :D
First, its mostly general information:
- about brass liners
- tang stamp
- presentation of the tools
- blade material, hardness of the tools

About your work:
Unlike other modders your work has the same built quality as a factory model, the blade has no side to side play and the implements have the same snap as the factory model.
He also mentions the price and warns that those modded knifes loose the Victorinox warranty.

Finally he does some comparison to the Farmer:
Weight goes up from 85g to 122g, that is quite a jump (is this due to the brass liners?)

Thanks for the synopsis! :D

Brass does weigh a bit more but that model has an extra backspring and phillips too.  I probably should compile a list of models with their weights.
Maybe you could ask owners for a weighted reply ...
My build #102 = 89.8 gms
My build # not in gallery (but URL below) = 73.5 gms
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg1026847.html#msg1026847
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mudtracks on March 29, 2015, 01:34:22 AM
hey guys, I'm actually in the middle of doing a mod and basically I'm trying to figure out the using a chunk or extra brass rivet to fill a 1/8hole so I can drill a 1/16 hole but I keep running into a problem after I've filled the hole, filed the excess brass away and smoothed it over to flush. upon re-drilling the smaller hole, the brass doesn't want to hold up. once it heats up from the drilling it pokes through into the wood I'm using as my base under my component. should I be using more of a solid base so the brass doesn't poke through into a soft material like wood? Or I think I read that brass expands and I should heat the brass after I've filled the hole to make it more secure in it surroundings before I drill my smaller hole in there? Thanks!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 29, 2015, 03:48:00 AM
hey guys, I'm actually in the middle of doing a mod and basically I'm trying to figure out the using a chunk or extra brass rivet to fill a 1/8hole so I can drill a 1/16 hole but I keep running into a problem after I've filled the hole, filed the excess brass away and smoothed it over to flush. upon re-drilling the smaller hole, the brass doesn't want to hold up. once it heats up from the drilling it pokes through into the wood I'm using as my base under my component. should I be using more of a solid base so the brass doesn't poke through into a soft material like wood? Or I think I read that brass expands and I should heat the brass after I've filled the hole to make it more secure in it surroundings before I drill my smaller hole in there? Thanks!

Are you peening the brass before you file it?  You really need to peen it well on both sides to get it to expand firmly against the walls of the hole you're filling, then remove excess from both sides.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mudtracks on March 29, 2015, 03:00:57 PM

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Are you peening the brass before you file it?  You really need to peen it well on both sides to get it to expand firmly against the walls of the hole you're filling, then remove excess from both sides.   :tu:
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Actually no, I wasn't peening it at all. Which explains why it was poking through.  The brass really has nothing to grab ahold of. I'll give it another shot! Thanks for pointing me in the right direction
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 29, 2015, 03:11:59 PM

Actually no, I wasn't peening it at all. Which explains why it was poking through.  The brass really has nothing to grab ahold of. I'll give it another shot! Thanks for pointing me in the right direction

I suppose I should have just said hammering as you dont actually want to peen heads on the brass but rather force it to expand in the middle, so just hit it with the flat of a hammer, then file off the excess after it's locked in good and solid.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 29, 2015, 03:49:12 PM
If you have 3D CAD drawings of the parts you should be able to get pretty accurate surface area values.  Good luck with it, I'm interested to see what results you obtain  :cheers:

I did some reading on anodize theory, its really facinating.  The alum oxide grows perpendicular from the surface like little hairs from the surface.  The spacing of those 'hairs' its what determines the hardness (not layer thickness as I had thought).  Now.. the higher the current density the smaller the pore size (space between the hairs) and the harder it is to dye which is why hard anodize has less dye options as only some dyes are small enough to fit in the smaller pores!

Similarly if the current density is too low, the 'hairs' are too far apart and the dye wont be trapped, and color will leak back out even if sealed.

So!  This is right up my alley for careful controlled experimentation and taking notes it will be like being back in the lab, but making cool parts too...

And now that I found blue masking lacquer, I can mask off the shields and then dye the scales any color!  :D :D :D

Welcome to Syph's Science series! :D

After more reading I got the facts on doing hard anodize.  In short the differences from standard anodize in terms of process are

- Current density increased to 18-24 amps/sqft
- surfuric acid bath concentration 2:1 (2 parts water + 1 part battery acid)
- Keep electrolyte bath at a constant 37-40F
- Aggressive agitation of bath to disperse heat

The difficulty factor is maintaining the bath temp.  If it strays from the 37-40 range the cell (they are called cells aparently not 'hairs') density will decrease and they will facture and apear as white blemishes on the surface.  Since there is much higher current being dumped in the bath, it heats up faster so some sort of better cooling is required.

So it is quite possible to hard anodize at home if you have the right setup.  Its completely possible to hard anodize a set of scales as the surface area and needed amperage are low. I would just need to be able to tweak bath temperature, but it might be possible with frozen water bottlers or similar...

But as there are limited color dyes to use with hard anodize a compromise anodize of Type II with a thicker layer of 0.002" can be made (standard is 0.001") and still dyed any color which sounds like the way to go for doing the OD green and orange I want!  :D :D :D

Here is a pic I found of what the alox growth looks like close up.

(http://cynake.sandwich.net/Temp/Aluminum%20Oxide%20Crystals.jpg)

And a cell - pore schematic

(http://www.intechopen.com/source/html/44877/media/image23.png)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on March 30, 2015, 05:40:45 PM
I'm thinking a knife less 91mmm would be cool with saw, metal file and scissors. Is there any flexibility in the backtools for these 3 layers? I think I remeber reading that you're stuck with the hook, but could the fine screwdriver and awl fit?  Is there a way to cover the corkscrew cut out using either the stock scales or the sweet new ones?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 30, 2015, 06:58:54 PM
I'm thinking a knife less 91mmm would be cool with saw, metal file and scissors. Is there any flexibility in the backtools for these 3 layers? I think I remeber reading that you're stuck with the hook, but could the fine screwdriver and awl fit?  Is there a way to cover the corkscrew cut out using either the stock scales or the sweet new ones?

Or some kind of back tool spring combo that has no space for the CS? Of course a scale that did not have the cut out also.

Hmm I think I just described every Alox ever made.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on March 31, 2015, 03:53:32 AM

Do you think the toothpick will work same as the tweezers did?

??? :wave: ??
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 31, 2015, 04:04:40 AM

Do you think the toothpick will work same as the tweezers did?

??? :wave: ??

I think not as the tweezers hold themselves in since they have resistance.  The toothpick on cellidor scales have that little nub to click in.  Could make the slot with bend it in maybe i dunno.  I never used the toothpick so I dont see myself going to extraordinary effort to find a spot for it.  :D  Maybe I could do a Ti toothpick, that would keep to my rule of eliminating plastic...

I'm thinking a knife less 91mmm would be cool with saw, metal file and scissors. Is there any flexibility in the backtools for these 3 layers? I think I remeber reading that you're stuck with the hook, but could the fine screwdriver and awl fit?  Is there a way to cover the corkscrew cut out using either the stock scales or the sweet new ones?

Ive actually got a couple orders for Ti mods with no blade layer. IM just going to make full scales for the back to solve the cutout issue.  The awl works in place of the hook ok, so that would be a good choice.   :tu:

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on March 31, 2015, 05:59:43 PM

I'm thinking a knife less 91mmm would be cool with saw, metal file and scissors. Is there any flexibility in the backtools for these 3 layers? I think I remeber reading that you're stuck with the hook, but could the fine screwdriver and awl fit?  Is there a way to cover the corkscrew cut out using either the stock scales or the sweet new ones?

Ive actually got a couple orders for Ti mods with no blade layer. IM just going to make full scales for the back to solve the cutout issue.  The awl works in place of the hook ok, so that would be a good choice.   :tu:

Sorry dude...when I was asking if the 91mm scales had a full back scale to cover the cut out I was asking about the alox hand grenade ones, not Ti....forgot that a guy like you has more then one set of 'sweet new scales'!!!!

Also, could the pruner blade or electricians blade go opposite the bottle opener on a 91mm?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 31, 2015, 07:02:39 PM

I'm thinking a knife less 91mmm would be cool with saw, metal file and scissors. Is there any flexibility in the backtools for these 3 layers? I think I remeber reading that you're stuck with the hook, but could the fine screwdriver and awl fit?  Is there a way to cover the corkscrew cut out using either the stock scales or the sweet new ones?

Ive actually got a couple orders for Ti mods with no blade layer. IM just going to make full scales for the back to solve the cutout issue.  The awl works in place of the hook ok, so that would be a good choice.   :tu:

Sorry dude...when I was asking if the 91mm scales had a full back scale to cover the cut out I was asking about the alox hand grenade ones, not Ti....forgot that a guy like you has more then one set of 'sweet new scales'!!!!

Also, could the pruner blade or electricians blade go opposite the bottle opener on a 91mm?

I never tried the eblade in the opener layer on a 91mm, but it could probably fit.

No I wont be making 91mm alox with no cutout on the backscale, that wouldn't be worth the cost to have produced as the demand would be very low.  I would recommend to someone base the mod on a 93mm alox which already doesn't have backtools or the cutout, that would be the way to go.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on March 31, 2015, 08:31:49 PM
Thanks man. I'll wait a few hours until I win the March Donation prize and we'll take it from there  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 31, 2015, 09:05:02 PM
Test fit up of a liner lock with a 111mm rescue blade.  :D  Lock works fantastic, no flex in the lock tab at all and it is rock solid.

The rescue blade needed ALOT of treaking to fit on a 93mm frame, but  I saved all the teeth and modified a solo spring so that the end of the rescue blade rests on it.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/93mmRescue/IMG_2765.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/93mmRescue/IMG_2772.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/93mmRescue/IMG_2776.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/93mmRescue/IMG_2779.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/93mmRescue/IMG_2780.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/93mmRescue/IMG_2784.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/93mmRescue/IMG_2792.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/93mmRescue/IMG_2802.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on March 31, 2015, 09:07:47 PM
Looks fantastic :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on March 31, 2015, 09:10:00 PM
Looks great so far!

One question. Why did you make the lock engage left instead of right?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 31, 2015, 09:12:57 PM
Looks great so far!

One question. Why did you make the lock engage left instead of right?
Yeah huh :think: ? Maybe for a southpaw? But yeah looks great!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 31, 2015, 09:24:44 PM
Looks great so far!

One question. Why did you make the lock engage left instead of right?

Yep it can go on either side, but in this case it is to minimize thickness.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: firiki on March 31, 2015, 09:30:28 PM
The tab seems flush with the scale, leaving little room for the thumb?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 31, 2015, 09:38:40 PM
Is my SAK done yet?

I sent you the parts like half a hour ago.  :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 31, 2015, 10:10:33 PM
The tab seems flush with the scale, leaving little room for the thumb?

The nubs are above the scale and that part work great.  I didnt want a big tab sticking up.   Once this is together i will do a video to show how it works.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 31, 2015, 10:13:03 PM
Is my SAK done yet?

I sent you the parts like half a hour ago.  :pok:


Didnt you commandeer a military drone to fly them over?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: firiki on March 31, 2015, 10:15:40 PM
The tab seems flush with the scale, leaving little room for the thumb?

The nubs are above the scale and that part work great.  I didnt want a big tab sticking up.   Once this is together i will do a video to show how it works.

It looks good :tu: Personally, I'd make the nubs just a bit higher and maybe add a little texture.

My hands get awfully sweaty at times, that's why I obsess so much  ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on March 31, 2015, 10:47:42 PM
Looks great so far!

One question. Why did you make the lock engage left instead of right?

Yep it can go on either side, but in this case it is to minimize thickness.

Ok thanks.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on April 01, 2015, 02:05:56 AM
Don't forget to put the old cross scales on it before you send it to me.  :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 01, 2015, 02:11:29 AM
Don't forget to put the old cross scales on it before you send it to me.  :pok:

Sorry this SAK build will be going home to the SAK motherland! :D

The liner lock is working well thankfully!  I really didnt want to have to fund a ver 3 without having any success!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on April 01, 2015, 02:19:10 AM
Don't forget to put the old cross scales on it before you send it to me.  :pok:

Sorry this SAK build will be going home to the SAK motherland! :D

The liner lock is working well thankfully!  I really didnt want to have to fund a ver 3 without having any success!

Congrats on the liner lock.  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on April 01, 2015, 03:28:55 AM
Test fit up of a liner lock with a 111mm rescue blade.  :D  Lock works fantastic, no flex in the lock tab at all and it is rock solid.

The rescue blade needed ALOT of treaking to fit on a 93mm frame, but  I saved all the teeth and modified a solo spring so that the end of the rescue blade rests on it.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/93mmRescue/IMG_2765.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/93mmRescue/IMG_2772.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/93mmRescue/IMG_2776.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/93mmRescue/IMG_2779.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/93mmRescue/IMG_2780.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/93mmRescue/IMG_2784.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/93mmRescue/IMG_2792.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/93mmRescue/IMG_2802.jpg)
That's just too cool :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 01, 2015, 03:48:54 AM
Very cool indeed!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kosmo on April 01, 2015, 04:06:31 AM
:popcorn:

https://youtu.be/arZdeg_fL-I
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 01, 2015, 04:18:22 AM
Is my SAK done yet?

I sent you the parts like half a hour ago.  :pok:


Didnt you commandeer a military drone to fly them over?

No all the drones we have only drop bombs and I was told n I'll bombing Canada would be tolerated.

I did send my BO Spartan so you could Tinkerize it with the BO parts you had done up for me also.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on April 01, 2015, 04:19:38 AM
Very cool indeed!

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+1000   :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 02, 2015, 08:01:13 PM
Yet another 91 with no corkscrew... my stats are still showing people prefer backside phillips!

Purple Ti, red alox and brass tweezer tip.

This is a fisherman + metal saw layer.  Not sure it has a name...   :think:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2817.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2826.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2830.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2860.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2893.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2894.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2901.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2909.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2914.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pettydroid on April 02, 2015, 08:06:31 PM
Lovely piece, Syph
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on April 02, 2015, 08:23:48 PM
Pure awesome!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 02, 2015, 08:53:23 PM
Geez, now you got me thinking I may want Ti for my future Rogueneer upgrade.  Too much temptation :ahhh

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 02, 2015, 09:57:07 PM
Geez, now you got me thinking I may want Ti for my future Rogueneer upgrade.  Too much temptation :ahhh

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Just wait for textured Ti with dual color anodize... :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: neillcurrie on April 02, 2015, 10:07:30 PM
Syph
I have always wondered why Victorinox never made their 91mm knives with flush backsprings, just like Wenger 85mm knives? All it would take is designing the springs so they lie flush with the liners/scales, rather than having the uneven look they currently have. It would make for a more aesthetically appealing knife IMO, and also a knife that is more pleasant in the hand, especially when applying force vertically.
Do you have any insight into why?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fast Bill on April 02, 2015, 10:54:01 PM
Now that is a joy to behold ... and a pointy / olive fork thing too  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 02, 2015, 11:33:26 PM
Syph
I have always wondered why Victorinox never made their 91mm knives with flush backsprings, just like Wenger 85mm knives? All it would take is designing the springs so they lie flush with the liners/scales, rather than having the uneven look they currently have. It would make for a more aesthetically appealing knife IMO, and also a knife that is more pleasant in the hand, especially when applying force vertically.
Do you have any insight into why?

I always wondered that too and I dont see why they couldnt do it that way.   :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 02, 2015, 11:46:53 PM
Geez, now you got me thinking I may want Ti for my future Rogueneer upgrade.  Too much temptation :ahhh

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Just wait for textured Ti with dual color anodize... :D
Oh damn....that sounds very cool....you are an evil, wallet emptying man ;)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Tofty on April 04, 2015, 02:17:50 PM
Here are a few more pictures of the beautiful Swiss Army Knife, that Syph007 has very generously sent to me.

The tool layout is that of the now discontinued "Troubleshooter", minus the tweezers and tooth pick.

I wanted an engineering themed set of tools, rather than the outdoors/picnicy feel of the saw and corkscrew. I know the can opener doesn't really suit, but it has a useful screwdriver on it, plus there's not really any other option. The 4mm bit driver would have made sense to add, but it's massively bulky and I love the fact that this SAK has no plastic parts at all.

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/Syph007%20SAK%20Troubleshooter%20007d_zpsyrn6nu5q.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/Syph007%20SAK%20Troubleshooter%20007d_zpsyrn6nu5q.jpg.html)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/Syph007%20SAK%20Troubleshooter%20013b_zps266iqrmn.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/Syph007%20SAK%20Troubleshooter%20013b_zps266iqrmn.jpg.html)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/Syph007%20SAK%20Troubleshooter%20012b_zpsnaaqb7wf.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/Syph007%20SAK%20Troubleshooter%20012b_zpsnaaqb7wf.jpg.html)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/Syph007%20SAK%20Troubleshooter%20015b_zpsk1qqpiuq.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/Syph007%20SAK%20Troubleshooter%20015b_zpsk1qqpiuq.jpg.html)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 04, 2015, 04:56:29 PM
Beautiful!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 04, 2015, 04:59:22 PM
Beautiful!

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X2
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 05, 2015, 01:53:00 AM
Well I did some kind of chemistry here by accident...  :think:

The center was polished brass and I wanted to anodize the rest blue... didnt quite work, but its interesting.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2987.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on April 05, 2015, 01:55:08 AM
That's cool looking syph!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on April 05, 2015, 01:55:38 AM
Well I did some kind of chemistry here by accident...  :think:

The center was polished brass and I wanted to anodize the rest blue... didnt quite work, but its interesting.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2987.jpg)

Didn't work as planned, but looks awesome! Some of the best things were created by accident.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on April 05, 2015, 01:57:28 AM
Well I did some kind of chemistry here by accident...  :think:

The center was polished brass and I wanted to anodize the rest blue... didnt quite work, but its interesting.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2987.jpg)

Didn't work as planned, but looks awesome! Some of the best things were created by accident.  :tu:

Are you talking about yourself? :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 05, 2015, 01:58:58 AM
The interesting thing though is I ran that at 38 volts and the yellow/pinkish ones are much higher voltage...  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on April 05, 2015, 02:01:26 AM
Well I did some kind of chemistry here by accident...  :think:

The center was polished brass and I wanted to anodize the rest blue... didnt quite work, but its interesting.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2987.jpg)

Didn't work as planned, but looks awesome! Some of the best things were created by accident.  :tu:

Are you talking about yourself? :D

Possibly.  :P
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 05, 2015, 04:53:53 AM
Tony from EverydayCommentary put up a review of a custom I built for him.  He liked it.   :)

http://www.everydaycommentary.com/2015/04/sak-modder-custom-pioneer-review.html
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 05, 2015, 02:48:16 PM
Tony from EverydayCommentary put up a review of a custom I built for him.  He liked it.   :)

http://www.everydaycommentary.com/2015/04/sak-modder-custom-pioneer-review.html

Good review, been waiting on that since he did his video.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 05, 2015, 08:05:08 PM
Tony from EverydayCommentary put up a review of a custom I built for him.  He liked it.   :)

http://www.everydaycommentary.com/2015/04/sak-modder-custom-pioneer-review.html (http://www.everydaycommentary.com/2015/04/sak-modder-custom-pioneer-review.html)
That was a great review, and I can't argue with it :)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 06, 2015, 05:55:21 PM
I finally made a set of polished Ti scales with brass cross.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Ti91/IMG_2999.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on April 06, 2015, 06:17:46 PM
Ooh... very nice! Do you have a buyer yet? :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on April 06, 2015, 06:20:32 PM
I finally made a set of polished Ti scales with brass cross.  :D


Not bad, but I prefer the burning cross.

 :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 06, 2015, 06:56:53 PM
Ooh... very nice! Do you have a buyer yet? :pok:

A few actually :D  But I just started making 3 more sets too.  Cutting that cross part to just sit right is a bit of a pain, but as long as its slighly oversized and I angle the edges I can press it in nice and tight, then sand off the excess.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zimchaz on April 06, 2015, 08:03:14 PM
Yet another 91 with no corkscrew... my stats are still showing people prefer backside phillips!

Purple Ti, red alox and brass tweezer tip.

This is a fisherman + metal saw layer.  Not sure it has a name...   :think:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2817.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2826.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2830.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2860.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2893.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2894.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2901.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2909.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom383/IMG_2914.jpg)
Have you added some sort of file/diamond material to the back of the hook on this mod? I haven't seen a hook that looks like that before...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on April 06, 2015, 08:45:17 PM
It's the hook with nail file as used on the Compact and some other models.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zimchaz on April 06, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
It's the hook with nail file as used on the Compact and some other models.
I have never seen one of them, still so much to learn....I feel like such a nooby noob
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 06, 2015, 11:00:58 PM
It's the hook with nail file as used on the Compact and some other models.
I have never seen one of them, still so much to learn....I feel like such a nooby noob

When I joined this forum I had never even seen nor heard of alox SAKs.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on April 07, 2015, 12:13:14 AM
When I joined this forum I had never even seen nor heard of alox SAKs.  :D

Ha! That's awesome. This place really is ridiculously addictive and all you smurfs are enablers!!! I've got to be $1000 deep in random EDC stuff...which is nothing compared to many...but try explaining that to a normal person!!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on April 07, 2015, 12:14:42 AM
And j just figured out that curse words get automatically switched to 'smurf'. All this time I thought it was some sort of slang from another part of the country. Ha!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 07, 2015, 01:09:02 AM
And j just figured out that curse words get automatically switched to 'smurf'. All this time I thought it was some sort of slang from another part of the country. Ha!

Yes the funny this is in real life I use smurf for a swear word now.  Better my 4 yr old hear that though... :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: KeyeEl on April 07, 2015, 01:12:57 AM
I finally made a set of polished Ti scales with brass cross.  :D
Ooh... very nice! Do you have a buyer yet? :pok:

 :whistle:  ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 07, 2015, 01:16:30 AM
I finally made a set of polished Ti scales with brass cross.  :D
Ooh... very nice! Do you have a buyer yet? :pok:

 :whistle:  ;)

Don't worry they are yours! :D :D

I am making more though.  Ive finally figured out its more time effecient to make multiple of the same thing at the same time, then one part at a time and keep switching back and forth.

I spent 4 hours last night just polishing screws... but I did a couple hundred so Im good for a few builds.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: KeyeEl on April 07, 2015, 01:55:59 AM
I was just trying to be subtle in revealing I was a buyer.  I failed...lol
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on April 07, 2015, 02:16:07 AM
Try typing salt water in one word lol
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zimchaz on April 07, 2015, 08:59:44 AM
That's great lol I have a friend that lives in Ssmurfhorpe which is in the UK...see if that changes
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 08, 2015, 06:53:18 PM
I was just trying to be subtle in revealing I was a buyer.  I failed...lol

Sneeky, new guy.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 10, 2015, 12:04:00 AM
A new old stock 91mm alox explorer today! :D

This one also sports an inline awl and backside fine driver.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom385/IMG_3046.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom385/IMG_3063.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom385/IMG_3074.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom385/IMG_3077.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom385/IMG_3086.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom385/IMG_3108.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom385/IMG_3120.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom385/IMG_3130.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on April 10, 2015, 12:11:01 AM
That's an interesting combination.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 10, 2015, 03:37:44 AM
That's an interesting combination.

I am in agreement with Cracks, Explorer is some good SAK.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 10, 2015, 03:40:33 AM
That's an interesting combination.

I am in agreement with Cracks, Explorer is some good SAK.

Your alox SAK is currently in pieces begging for mercy!   >:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 11, 2015, 09:08:47 AM
That's an interesting combination.

I am in agreement with Cracks, Explorer is some good SAK.

Your alox SAK is currently in pieces begging for mercy!   >:D

Less internet, more Harleys SAK building you! :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 11, 2015, 05:43:37 PM
That's an interesting combination.

I am in agreement with Cracks, Explorer is some good SAK.

Your alox SAK is currently in pieces begging for mercy!   >:D

Less internet, more Harleys SAK building you! :pok:

The backsprings for yours are currently in my back shed have a tumble with some ceramics.  :D 

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 11, 2015, 05:44:36 PM
Oh and this Ti 91 went together today.   The customer wanted a tumbled matte aged look so no polished Ti or brass on this one, which is my usual finish.

Super tinker with no hook, brass inlay for old cross and brass capped tweezers.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom386/IMG_3156.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom386/IMG_3165.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom386/IMG_3178.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom386/IMG_3149.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kosmo on April 11, 2015, 06:03:49 PM
Very nice.  :drool:  How do you get the brass into the cross opening?  Do you rough it out as a close fit and and use a peen hammer?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 11, 2015, 06:05:57 PM
Very nice.  :drool:  How do you get the brass into the cross opening?  Do you rough it out as a close fit and and use a peen hammer?

Yep.  Scribe a + shape on a hunk of brass then carefully shape until its still bit over size, then press in place with bench vice.  I peen from both sides to it squishes out to fill the entire void, then sand flush.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 11, 2015, 10:12:28 PM
So nobody can post in this thread until Syph puts up pictures of my custom.

The anticipation is to much an it doesn't help when I see this thread come up on the new replies list.

I will let you guys know when you can use it again.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on April 11, 2015, 10:49:54 PM
Bump
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on April 11, 2015, 11:32:38 PM
OK can we post again? :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on April 11, 2015, 11:37:58 PM
So nobody can post in this thread until Syph puts up pictures of my custom.

The anticipation is to much an it doesn't help when I see this thread come up on the new replies list.

I will let you guys know when you can use it again.

Good plan.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 12, 2015, 12:12:06 AM
Harley's won't be up till tomorrow, but that is not far away....   :whistle:

Have a look at this polished brass beauty in the meantime.  Inlaid brass cross, brass liners and brass capped tweezers.  Custom tool selection as well with serrated/plain main blades.  Lots of hours went into this sucker but Im very very happy with it.  Lots of awesome in 3 layers.

I took almost 300 pics trying to get just the right angles on this.   

First some closed pics....

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3208.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3226.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3230.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3262.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3269.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3280.jpg)

And the backtools....

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3251.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3249.jpg)

And tools out....

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3320.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3336.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3362.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3413.jpg)


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on April 12, 2015, 12:13:48 AM
Wow, beautiful knife   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on April 12, 2015, 12:14:28 AM
:drool:

That's gorgeous!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 12, 2015, 12:18:17 AM
That polished Ti is beautiful!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: KeyeEl on April 12, 2015, 12:28:30 AM
Squeeeeeee!  :D  Thank you, Robert!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 12, 2015, 12:32:37 AM
Bloody gorgeous mate! :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 12, 2015, 12:52:02 AM
B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L!! :drool:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on April 12, 2015, 01:56:54 AM
:drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 13, 2015, 04:57:11 AM
You guys are not so good at following instructions I see.

Syph can you do Ti scales with brass cross for a regular Alox SAK?

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 13, 2015, 05:11:24 AM
You guys are not so good at following instructions I see.

Syph can you do Ti scales with brass cross for a regular Alox SAK?
We never said we were :P lol
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 13, 2015, 05:14:17 AM
You guys are not so good at following instructions I see.

Syph can you do Ti scales with brass cross for a regular Alox SAK?
We never said we were :P lol
JR

Don't make me come up there!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 13, 2015, 05:27:57 AM
You guys are not so good at following instructions I see.

Syph can you do Ti scales with brass cross for a regular Alox SAK?
We never said we were :P lol
JR

Don't make me come up there!
Promises promises,, :D
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Obi1shinobee on April 13, 2015, 10:37:06 AM
Harley's won't be up till tomorrow, but that is not far away....   :whistle:

Have a look at this polished brass beauty in the meantime.  Inlaid brass cross, brass liners and brass capped tweezers.  Custom tool selection as well with serrated/plain main blades.  Lots of hours went into this sucker but Im very very happy with it.  Lots of awesome in 3 layers.

I took almost 300 pics trying to get just the right angles on this.   

First some closed pics....

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3208.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3226.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3230.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3262.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3269.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3280.jpg)

And the backtools....

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3251.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3249.jpg)

And tools out....

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3320.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3336.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3362.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom387/IMG_3413.jpg)

 :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Webber2629 on April 13, 2015, 07:06:10 PM
I love ALL of you're work syph, it's just amazing, how can I contact you about a custom knife for me? Thanks
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on April 13, 2015, 07:30:27 PM
I love ALL of you're work syph, it's just amazing, how can I contact you about a custom knife for me? Thanks

Are you serious? Take a look at his signature :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Webber2629 on April 13, 2015, 08:10:41 PM
I love ALL of you're work syph, it's just amazing, how can I contact you about a custom knife for me? Thanks

Are you serious? Take a look at his signature :D
No signature showing up on mine? Maybe because I'm on mobile?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on April 13, 2015, 08:17:10 PM
I love ALL of you're work syph, it's just amazing, how can I contact you about a custom knife for me? Thanks

Are you serious? Take a look at his signature :D
No signature showing up on mine? Maybe because I'm on mobile?

Yes, signatures show up only on desktop.

Here's a copy of it:
Quote
PM me or email sakmodder [at] gmail . com if you are looking for custom alox work.
Modding thread : Here
Website : WWW.SAKModder.com (http://WWW.SAKModder.com) 
Facebook : SAKModder
Instagram : robertjlessard

You only need one more post to be able to send PMs (private messages)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Webber2629 on April 13, 2015, 08:29:23 PM
I love ALL of you're work syph, it's just amazing, how can I contact you about a custom knife for me? Thanks

Are you serious? Take a look at his signature :D
No signature showing up on mine? Maybe because I'm on mobile?

Yes, signatures show up only on desktop.

Here's a copy of it:
Quote
PM me or email sakmodder [at] gmail . com if you are looking for custom alox work.
Modding thread : Here
Website : WWW.SAKModder.com (http://WWW.SAKModder.com) 
Facebook : SAKModder
Instagram : robertjlessard

You only need one more post to be able to send PMs (private messages)

Thanks very much, also now looks
Like I can pm
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 13, 2015, 08:47:17 PM
Here we have the Harley pimped SAK collection.   :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom388/IMG_3418.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom388/IMG_3424.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom388/IMG_3447.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom388/IMG_3453.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom388/IMG_3463.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 13, 2015, 08:58:43 PM
Sweet SAKs for Harley, and great work as always Syph!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 13, 2015, 09:55:41 PM
91mm scales just arrvied! :D  20 this time and I will be offering in orange, OD green, red and black this time.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3486.jpg)

And this mysterious brass rod... 1/2 inch diameter... what could this be for...  :think:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3498.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 13, 2015, 09:58:54 PM
 :tu: nice, is it suppose to be like a positive negative? Or totally opposites? Ooh ooh, how about the one as the ghost! Yeah,, but nice job!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on April 13, 2015, 10:11:31 PM
Orange!!! :woohoo:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kosmo on April 13, 2015, 10:16:37 PM
:popcorn:  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on April 14, 2015, 12:53:57 AM
Here we have the Harley pimped SAK collection.   :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom388/IMG_3463.jpg)
That is mean!  :tu:  Any chance of a pic from this angle with the tools closed please.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 14, 2015, 02:39:47 AM
Awesome!

Those are brass liners right? Hard to see on my tablet.

I thought we had talked about backside phillips for the BO Tinker?

Can't wait to get them home. Thanks.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 14, 2015, 03:03:28 AM
Thats what i get for not looking up the details first and going on  memory  :facepalm:

Make that brass liners for the harley alox and phillips on back of harley BO Mod.... :whistle:

Im glad i build the alox with screws!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 14, 2015, 04:54:14 AM
Thats what i get for not looking up the details first and going on  memory  :facepalm:

Make that brass liners for the harley alox and phillips on back of harley BO Mod.... :whistle:

Im glad i build the alox with screws!

Don't feel to bad even I made a mistake one time.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on April 14, 2015, 09:04:41 AM

Don't feel to bad even I made a mistake one time.

(https://trivialpursuitsdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/odence-surprise.jpeg)
NOOOO!  I won't believe it!




:sarcasm:   duh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 14, 2015, 03:20:46 PM
Its true.


Ignoring the sarcasm.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 14, 2015, 03:37:59 PM
When Im not feverishly working on Harley's SAKs today, I will be putting something unique together.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CT.jpg)

A bladeless SAK with the CT driver! :D  Since it has no blades, it has no corskscrew so I couldnt use a backscale with the cutout.  So.. this one has 2 'front' scales.  Should work fine I hope!

Oh and the funny thing is, normally Id be like man now Im stuck with 2 backscales with no fronts.. BUT, I also have an order where a fellow wanted a mod with both a backside corkscrew and phillips, so Im building him one with 2 backscales.  Should be interesting as I have never built a dual cutout 91 but I think it will work fine.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on April 14, 2015, 04:03:25 PM
Seriously? That's what I have been thinking about ordering from you. But I thought you said earlier that having no cutout on the back would not be an option.
Coolness :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on April 14, 2015, 04:10:50 PM
Oh wait, obviously this is not possible with the alox scales you had made.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kosmo on April 14, 2015, 04:12:26 PM
When Im not feverishly working on Harley's SAKs today, I will be putting something unique together.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CT.jpg)

A bladeless SAK with the CT driver! :D  Since it has no blades, it has no corskscrew so I couldnt use a backscale with the cutout.  So.. this one has 2 'front' scales.  Should work fine I hope!

Oh and the funny thing is, normally Id be like man now Im stuck with 2 backscales with no fronts.. BUT, I also have an order where a fellow wanted a mod with both a backside corkscrew and phillips, so Im building him one with 2 backscales.  Should be interesting as I have never built a dual cutout 91 but I think it will work fine.

:popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 14, 2015, 04:17:21 PM
Oh wait, obviously this is not possible with the alox scales you had made.

Ya the Ti blanks I can do it since I just round the other edge and it becomes the backscale.  The alox would have to be specially made that way.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on April 14, 2015, 06:48:26 PM
Backside corkscrew and phillips is a cool idea...always fun to see something new. Are there certain tool layers where you can swap the cutout tools right in (besides the main blade's backspring)?  Are all of the backtools interchangeable across layers?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 14, 2015, 07:28:32 PM
Yeah I have been wondering about these things for a while now.

Is there a way to have a blade even if it has to be the small ones but no cs or phillips on the backside?

Also can we put the mag glass across from the two openers? Does this require special springs? So say tatoosteve coumd do it for me if you was busy.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 14, 2015, 09:47:57 PM
Backside corkscrew and phillips is a cool idea...always fun to see something new. Are there certain tool layers where you can swap the cutout tools right in (besides the main blade's backspring)?  Are all of the backtools interchangeable across layers?

All the backside tool pivot shapes are the same except the hook.  But if you tweak the scissors backspring other tools can be made to fit.  The main difference is the thickness of the parts so to swap backtools you either need to add a washer, or mill some off the liners to get a tool to fit, but one way or another they can all be moved to any spot.

Yeah I have been wondering about these things for a while now.

Is there a way to have a blade even if it has to be the small ones but no cs or phillips on the backside?

Also can we put the mag glass across from the two openers? Does this require special springs? So say tatoosteve coumd do it for me if you was busy.

I have put the mag glass across from the openers on an alox 93mm mod before just like the phillips.  That trick does not work on the 91mm size though.

To have a blade layer with no CS you would still need to fill the backside with a tool for the spring to work, but you could stick an awl or something in there.  That is exactly what I did in the last brass and Ti mod I did that has 2 blade layers.  One has a corkscrew and one has an awl.

Harleys mods are done! :D  But im still working on the cybertool mod and its kickin my ass.  Tapping that thick Ti is SO ANNOYING.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 15, 2015, 12:45:01 AM
Here's Harles SAKs part 2.  :D 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom388/IMG_3501.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom388/IMG_3551.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom388/IMG_3554.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom388/IMG_3574.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 15, 2015, 12:51:22 AM
I don't see the keyring?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on April 15, 2015, 12:56:53 AM
I don't see the keyring?

You don't want a keyring.  :twak:  Plus it already has a pocket clip.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 15, 2015, 12:57:12 AM
I don't see the keyring?

You're not looking hard enough!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 15, 2015, 01:57:52 AM
My first cybertool mod!  I damn near took off my thumb on the grinder in a rush to finish tonight, but I taped my finger up and marched on!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom390/IMG_3583.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom390/IMG_3585.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom390/IMG_3594.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom390/IMG_3605.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom390/IMG_3612.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom390/IMG_3618.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom390/IMG_3629.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom390/IMG_3640.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom390/IMG_3659.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom390/IMG_3662.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on April 15, 2015, 02:03:08 AM
Duuuuude! :ahhh :ahhh :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 15, 2015, 02:04:34 AM
Duuuuude! :ahhh :ahhh :drool:

Been busy today! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on April 15, 2015, 02:10:46 AM

Duuuuude! :ahhh :ahhh :drool:

Been busy today! :D
yeah, been busy being awesome! So much want in this thread lately. Even Harley's... I guess...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on April 15, 2015, 02:13:56 AM
My first cybertool mod!  I damn near took off my thumb on the grinder in a rush to finish tonight, but I taped my finger up and marched on!

Okay, it's awesome.  :salute:  The cherry would have been an old no backside tool scissor spring though IMO.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 15, 2015, 02:15:48 AM
My first cybertool mod!  I damn near took off my thumb on the grinder in a rush to finish tonight, but I taped my finger up and marched on!

Okay, it's awesome.  :salute:  The cherry would have been an old no backside tool scissor spring though IMO.

That did cross my mind, but all the ones I have are in pretty horrible condition so they wouldnt have fit in with the fit and finish, but I do agree!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: BCNZ on April 15, 2015, 03:00:07 AM
Very nice!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kosmo on April 15, 2015, 03:10:37 AM
 :dd:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 15, 2015, 03:21:59 AM

So much want in this thread lately. Even Harley's...

Yeah? :pok:

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on April 15, 2015, 03:26:43 AM


So much want in this thread lately. Even Harley's...

Yeah? :pok:
yeah... I mean it's not a bumble bee or a lavender farmer but it will do.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 15, 2015, 04:12:23 AM


So much want in this thread lately. Even Harley's...

Yeah? ok:
yeah... I mean it's not a bumble bee or a lavender farmer but it will do.
Yeah it's no MechaRogue, but it's pretty nice ;)

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on April 15, 2015, 06:23:00 AM
Bah, plastic parts ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 15, 2015, 09:24:56 PM
Farmer plus scissors today... surprisingly not asked for very often.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom391/IMG_3693.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom391/IMG_3696.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom391/IMG_3704.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on April 15, 2015, 09:37:54 PM
Farmer plus scissors today... surprisingly not asked for very often.


Sweet! I would love that setup. I am surprised more people do not request it as well.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 15, 2015, 10:00:34 PM
Farmer plus scissors today... surprisingly not asked for very often.


Sweet! I would love that setup. I am surprised more people do not request it as well.
+1 :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 19, 2015, 03:32:52 PM
Well the parts for my anodizing lab are on they way.  This should be an interesting adventure.  :D

Found a power supply on ebay that seems to be appropriate.  Goes up to 10 amps and has current controlled output which is what i need.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/271532131157?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

10 amps is enough to do a dozen or more sets of scales at one time, so that is plenty.

And I got the caswell starter kit on the way.

http://www.caswellplating.com/electroplating-anodizing/anodizing-products/anodizing-kits.html

(http://cdn.caswellplating.com/media/catalog/category/lc_ano_kit.JPG)

AND! I got a new contact in Toronto for PVD coatings and he does DLC. 

I really really hope he can work with me and I can just send off a few hundred parts for coating.  Since Teletin screwed me over on a DLC trade deal, its been a bit of a sore spot, but it is better than BO so Id love to have that as my default black coating ( also as you can coat Ti in it ) and not have to bother with black oxide any more.  So.. I have my fingers crossed.

Orange 91mm alox scales with DLC tools...  :drool:

The syph lab will be running 4 colors to start.

DYEO2B26    Orange 2B Anodizing Dye - 4oz    
DYERB9    Red Bordeaux 2R Anodizing Dye - 4oz    
DYEOD9    Olive Drab Anodizing Dye - 4oz
DYEB9    Blue 4A Anodizing Dye - 4oz
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 20, 2015, 06:52:44 PM
Just a pair of reconfigured electricians today.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/IMG_3847.jpg)

Ive got another cybertool mod going together next though, as well as a dual backscale Ti mod with corkscrew and backside phillips.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 21, 2015, 04:18:24 AM
My next custom will involve a Cybertool driver so you have my attention for sure.

Just thought of something. If we didn't use the bit holder thing could the bit driver be put on a 93mm Alox custom?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 21, 2015, 04:27:29 AM

Just thought of something. If we didn't use the bit holder thing could the bit driver be put on a 93mm Alox custom?

Yup Im sure it could, you just wouldnt have the bits and there would be a big vacant space inside the SAK.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 21, 2015, 04:58:04 AM

Just thought of something. If we didn't use the bit holder thing could the bit driver be put on a 93mm Alox custom?

Yup Im sure it could, you just wouldnt have the bits and there would be a big vacant space inside the SAK.

Hmm what could the space be used for?

Mostly want the driver for the reach it offers not so much for the bits. Of course some bits could be carried off the tool. Plus if it was built on a 93mm frame I could have the mag glass / opening layer instead of a phillips like on the custom 91mm CT I have now. No need for the phillips when you got the bit driver imo.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 21, 2015, 05:11:35 AM
Or better yet mag glass and just the bottle opener for prying and beer. Could live without the ability to open cans and the small flathead comes on the phillips bit already.

Would be relatively thin for as many tools would be on it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on April 21, 2015, 07:42:29 AM
Robert, do you think you could make a CT bit holder out of a nicer material than plastic, e.g. brass or alumin(i)um? Titanium would be even cooler but probably impossible ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 21, 2015, 01:41:07 PM
Robert, do you think you could make a CT bit holder out of a nicer material than plastic, e.g. brass or alumin(i)um? Titanium would be even cooler but probably impossible ;)
Or, what about a full length double layer backspring that will catch the cybertool at the end? This way it looks as if it's made just for that tool rather then plastic but you loose out on the extra bits? You'll still have the one bit, you just get stuck carrying any extras..
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 21, 2015, 03:34:53 PM
Robert, do you think you could make a CT bit holder out of a nicer material than plastic, e.g. brass or alumin(i)um? Titanium would be even cooler but probably impossible ;)
Or, what about a full length double layer backspring that will catch the cybertool at the end? This way it looks as if it's made just for that tool rather then plastic but you loose out on the extra bits? You'll still have the one bit, you just get stuck carrying any extras..
JR

Yeah, I didn't think about the little nub that holds the bit in the driver when it is closed. A custom back spring with that as part of it would be sweet. I am thinking brass. Shouldn't be to hard to cut.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 21, 2015, 03:42:37 PM
Robert, do you think you could make a CT bit holder out of a nicer material than plastic, e.g. brass or alumin(i)um? Titanium would be even cooler but probably impossible ;)
Or, what about a full length double layer backspring that will catch the cybertool at the end? This way it looks as if it's made just for that tool rather then plastic but you loose out on the extra bits? You'll still have the one bit, you just get stuck carrying any extras..
JR

Yeah, I didn't think about the little nub that holds the bit in the driver when it is closed. A custom back spring with that as part of it would be sweet. I am thinking brass. Shouldn't be to hard to cut.

Ya there are a few ways that could be tackled, but for sure doable.  What I would do to fill the space is something to hold the bits but it couldnt be as complex as the plastic one.  Maybe just a brass holder with drilled holed, but magnets in bottom to retain bits. 

Robert, do you think you could make a CT bit holder out of a nicer material than plastic, e.g. brass or alumin(i)um? Titanium would be even cooler but probably impossible ;)

It would be complex to reproduce that part exactly in metal, but that would be the best option.  Possible though to make something of Al or brass that could service the same function, but alot of labor to do by hand.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on April 21, 2015, 03:45:31 PM
Robert, do you think you could make a CT bit holder out of a nicer material than plastic, e.g. brass or alumin(i)um? Titanium would be even cooler but probably impossible ;)
Or, what about a full length double layer backspring that will catch the cybertool at the end? This way it looks as if it's made just for that tool rather then plastic but you loose out on the extra bits? You'll still have the one bit, you just get stuck carrying any extras..
JR

Yeah, I didn't think about the little nub that holds the bit in the driver when it is closed. A custom back spring with that as part of it would be sweet. I am thinking brass. Shouldn't be to hard to cut.

Ya there are a few ways that could be tackled, but for sure doable.  What I would do to fill the space is something to hold the bits but it couldnt be as complex as the plastic one.  Maybe just a brass holder with drilled holed, but magnets in bottom to retain bits. 

Robert, do you think you could make a CT bit holder out of a nicer material than plastic, e.g. brass or alumin(i)um? Titanium would be even cooler but probably impossible ;)

It would be complex to reproduce that part exactly in metal, but that would be the best option.  Possible though to make something of Al or brass that could service the same function, but alot of labor to do by hand.
Couldn't you print that part?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 21, 2015, 03:50:23 PM
Robert, do you think you could make a CT bit holder out of a nicer material than plastic, e.g. brass or alumin(i)um? Titanium would be even cooler but probably impossible ;)
Or, what about a full length double layer backspring that will catch the cybertool at the end? This way it looks as if it's made just for that tool rather then plastic but you loose out on the extra bits? You'll still have the one bit, you just get stuck carrying any extras..
JR

Yeah, I didn't think about the little nub that holds the bit in the driver when it is closed. A custom back spring with that as part of it would be sweet. I am thinking brass. Shouldn't be to hard to cut.

Ya there are a few ways that could be tackled, but for sure doable.  What I would do to fill the space is something to hold the bits but it couldnt be as complex as the plastic one.  Maybe just a brass holder with drilled holed, but magnets in bottom to retain bits. 

Robert, do you think you could make a CT bit holder out of a nicer material than plastic, e.g. brass or alumin(i)um? Titanium would be even cooler but probably impossible ;)

It would be complex to reproduce that part exactly in metal, but that would be the best option.  Possible though to make something of Al or brass that could service the same function, but alot of labor to do by hand.
Couldn't you print that part?

That technology isnt up to what I would consider as acceptable quality yet especially im metal.  My OCD couldnt take it!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 21, 2015, 03:55:15 PM
Robert, do you think you could make a CT bit holder out of a nicer material than plastic, e.g. brass or alumin(i)um? Titanium would be even cooler but probably impossible ;)
Or, what about a full length double layer backspring that will catch the cybertool at the end? This way it looks as if it's made just for that tool rather then plastic but you loose out on the extra bits? You'll still have the one bit, you just get stuck carrying any extras..
JR

Yeah, I didn't think about the little nub that holds the bit in the driver when it is closed. A custom back spring with that as part of it would be sweet. I am thinking brass. Shouldn't be to hard to cut.

Ya there are a few ways that could be tackled, but for sure doable.  What I would do to fill the space is something to hold the bits but it couldnt be as complex as the plastic one.  Maybe just a brass holder with drilled holed, but magnets in bottom to retain bits. 

Robert, do you think you could make a CT bit holder out of a nicer material than plastic, e.g. brass or alumin(i)um? Titanium would be even cooler but probably impossible ;)

It would be complex to reproduce that part exactly in metal, but that would be the best option.  Possible though to make something of Al or brass that could service the same function, but alot of labor to do by hand.

Yeah it does not have to match the original just function correctly. I know if it was squared off it would be way easier to make but still work fine.

Also since it was my idea I get a discount on mine and royalties for future production right?  :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on April 21, 2015, 04:18:56 PM
Unfortunately printing in metal is a bit too expensive as well (apart from the finish being a bit meh), even though my contact only charges me for the material used.
I can ask him if it's possible to print the bit holder in ABS (orange :drool:) :P
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tomcat on April 21, 2015, 05:22:11 PM
Would you CNC mill it, after cutting it out on a computerised device?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 21, 2015, 07:55:32 PM
Would you CNC mill it, after cutting it out on a computerised device?

Thats the way to do it ya.  I dont have a CNC'd mill yet though so I outsource that right now and it would be pretty expensive.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 21, 2015, 09:41:16 PM
Woohoo... anodizing starter kit arrived.  I still need the power supply and sulfuric acid, then I can start blowing up my shed... er creating beautiful alox I mean.  :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=145801;image)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=145803;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 21, 2015, 09:57:15 PM
91mm Ti Apprentice today.  :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom394/IMG_3889.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom394/IMG_3886.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom394/IMG_3882.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom394/IMG_3896.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom394/IMG_3901.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on April 21, 2015, 10:06:41 PM
Nice one Syph !
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on April 21, 2015, 10:28:02 PM
Can't wait to see some anodized stuff!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 21, 2015, 10:38:40 PM
And here is the odd duck dual backtool one I had mentioned earlier.

It kind of feels odd, and I dont think I'll be repeating it ever, but I accepted the job as a technical challenge and it was interesting.  It was much more work than I thought however, getting the phillips to work on a scissor backspring and being flipped around.

I milled slots for the standard T&T and I much prefer the metal nibbed versions I had done previously.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom395/IMG_3903.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom395/IMG_3913.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom395/IMG_3918.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom395/IMG_3921.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom395/IMG_3936.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kosmo on April 21, 2015, 10:52:39 PM
 :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on April 21, 2015, 11:08:07 PM

And here is the odd duck dual backtool one I had mentioned earlier.

It kind of feels odd, and I dont think I'll be repeating it ever, but I accepted the job as a technical challenge and it was interesting.  It was much more work than I thought however, getting the phillips to work on a scissor backspring and being flipped around.

I milled slots for the standard T&T and I much prefer the metal nibbed versions I had done previously.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom395/IMG_3903.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom395/IMG_3913.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom395/IMG_3918.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom395/IMG_3921.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom395/IMG_3936.jpg)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on April 22, 2015, 04:24:42 PM
How does the thickness of those TI scales compare to the stock plastic and Alox scales?  Remeber seeing a comparison of the new hand grenade 91mm scales, but not the TI ones.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 22, 2015, 05:49:43 PM
How does the thickness of those TI scales compare to the stock plastic and Alox scales?  Remeber seeing a comparison of the new hand grenade 91mm scales, but not the TI ones.

The Ti scales are thinner than cellidor and 93mm alox.  Its more noticeable on a cellidor conversion since the liners are dropped too saving even more thickness.

That single layer Ti model is thinner than an alox solo for example.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: neillcurrie on April 22, 2015, 07:54:24 PM
Syph,
I just have to suggest your next mod/project (like you don't have enough already  ;) ).
You asked in a different topic "what should be the next Vic layer?". Well, since you now make your own scales, and mill slots for the T&T, and do pretty much everything else SAK-wise, you certainly have the capability to make a layer with the main blade and a really beefed up Combo Tool. You could improve one of the weakest Vic tools out there, and maybe mill a relief into a scale to allow it clearance against the main blade.
Actually, if the main blade is crinked a little more than it currently is, maybe a relief isn't necessary even. Just make a slightly thicker than standard liner that the blade tip could wander over into?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 22, 2015, 08:50:30 PM
Syph,
I just have to suggest your next mod/project (like you don't have enough already  ;) ).
You asked in a different topic "what should be the next Vic layer?". Well, since you now make your own scales, and mill slots for the T&T, and do pretty much everything else SAK-wise, you certainly have the capability to make a layer with the main blade and a really beefed up Combo Tool. You could improve one of the weakest Vic tools out there, and maybe mill a relief into a scale to allow it clearance against the main blade.
Actually, if the main blade is crinked a little more than it currently is, maybe a relief isn't necessary even. Just make a slightly thicker than standard liner that the blade tip could wander over into?

I've been asked many times to put the bottle opener in the blade layer, and that for sure is on my todo list.  Its a better pry tool, and it seems most people dont care about can openers.  The nail nick is on the other side though so the blade would have to be bent straight and the bottle opener would sit on the other side of the blade. This would have a secondary benefit too of having a straight main blade instead of a bent one.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on April 23, 2015, 01:20:06 AM
It's too bad wenger parts won't fit. I've ran into both left and right handed straight screwdrivers.


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: wmoco on April 23, 2015, 04:38:21 AM
I've been asked many times to put the bottle opener in the blade layer, and that for sure is on my todo list.  Its a better pry tool, and it seems most people dont care about can openers.  The nail nick is on the other side though so the blade would have to be bent straight and the bottle opener would sit on the other side of the blade. This would have a secondary benefit too of having a straight main blade instead of a bent one.

Why not just make a new nail nick in the opposite side?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 23, 2015, 04:57:25 AM
Syph,
I just have to suggest your next mod/project (like you don't have enough already  ;) ).
You asked in a different topic "what should be the next Vic layer?". Well, since you now make your own scales, and mill slots for the T&T, and do pretty much everything else SAK-wise, you certainly have the capability to make a layer with the main blade and a really beefed up Combo Tool. You could improve one of the weakest Vic tools out there, and maybe mill a relief into a scale to allow it clearance against the main blade.
Actually, if the main blade is crinked a little more than it currently is, maybe a relief isn't necessary even. Just make a slightly thicker than standard liner that the blade tip could wander over into?

I've been asked many times to put the bottle opener in the blade layer, and that for sure is on my todo list.  Its a better pry tool, and it seems most people dont care about can openers.  The nail nick is on the other side though so the blade would have to be bent straight and the bottle opener would sit on the other side of the blade. This would have a secondary benefit too of having a straight main blade instead of a bent one.

Bottle opener and blade would be awesome.

Still a fan of a bit driver on a 93 though.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 23, 2015, 11:01:44 PM
Another Ti Cybertool born today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom397/IMG_3985.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom397/IMG_3991.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom397/IMG_3997.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom397/IMG_3998.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom397/IMG_4011.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom397/IMG_4042.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom397/IMG_4050.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom397/IMG_4055.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom397/IMG_4072.jpg)

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Post by: Patrick Anderson on April 24, 2015, 03:28:01 AM
That's rather tasty.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on April 24, 2015, 05:04:20 AM
Syph my friend. You have accomplished what I tried to when I first joined and learned of this place. My hat is off to you.


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Post by: Syph007 on April 24, 2015, 03:07:20 PM
Syph my friend. You have accomplished what I tried to when I first joined and learned of this place. My hat is off to you.


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I'd like to build a few different configurations of these for myself, but damn the donors for cybertool mods are crazy expensive. 
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Post by: tjfarrington2000 on April 24, 2015, 03:35:26 PM
I want one


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 24, 2015, 04:37:19 PM
My 10 amp power supply arrived!  Now I just need sulfuric acid and apparently I can get that at NAPA.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_4084.jpg)

My BO parts were also ready!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_4088.jpg)

This time Ive got 15 tinkers, 10 spartans.  Ive also got 10 inline awls from 93s that will be going in place of small blade as a different option, and 10 saw layers.

Last time I sold these all on facebook in a couple of hours so I'll probably offer them there again.  Give me a should today if you want any.  I have black alox liners to use for these builds as well.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on April 24, 2015, 05:57:13 PM
Sounds like someone will be busy tinkering ;)
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Post by: Syph007 on April 24, 2015, 09:57:44 PM
I'm liking the 93mm awl in place of small blade option.  Conveniently I am low on small blades and have lots of extra inline awls, so it works out well.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/More%20BO/IMG_4097.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/More%20BO/IMG_4104.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/More%20BO/IMG_4108.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/More%20BO/IMG_4119.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/More%20BO/IMG_4144.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/More%20BO/IMG_4148.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/More%20BO/IMG_4160.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on April 24, 2015, 11:40:55 PM
Great idea of using the inline awls...nice work Syph.
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Post by: Syph007 on April 25, 2015, 08:19:26 PM
Dual blade madness!  With 'security' feature of impossible to access small blade! 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/IMG_4209.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/IMG_4205.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/IMG_4177.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/IMG_4170.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on April 25, 2015, 11:22:20 PM
Sweet!!!
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Post by: kosmo on April 26, 2015, 12:55:34 AM
Dual blade madness!  With 'security' feature of impossible to access small blade! 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/IMG_4209.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/IMG_4205.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/IMG_4177.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/IMG_4170.jpg)

I've been wondering about that "security" feature also with an 84mm multi-blade.  :-\  That and the blade-liner-washer-spacer problem is making me think about not doing it.
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Post by: Syph007 on April 26, 2015, 01:46:40 AM
Dual blade madness!  With 'security' feature of impossible to access small blade! 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/IMG_4209.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/IMG_4205.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/IMG_4177.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/IMG_4170.jpg)

I've been wondering about that "security" feature also with an 84mm multi-blade.  :-\  That and the blade-liner-washer-spacer problem is making me think about not doing it.

Thats why the 93mm is the perfect frame.  Symmetrical.  On that frame I could have flipped around of the blade layers.  Cant do that on any other one.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on April 26, 2015, 02:15:09 AM
Maybe it is just me but I prefer the 91mm over the 93mm. :)
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Post by: sf_duke on April 26, 2015, 02:22:59 AM
But got to admit it would be nice to see the BO double madness on the 93mm frame so the one of the main blades can be flipped.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 26, 2015, 02:35:22 PM
USA alox color scheme.  :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom398/IMG_4246.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom398/IMG_4251.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom398/IMG_4253.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom398/IMG_4258.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom398/IMG_4261.jpg)
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Post by: SteveC on April 26, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
 :2tu: :2tu: :2tu:
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Post by: Monrogue on April 26, 2015, 03:14:48 PM
Very nice Syph.

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Post by: Jetbo on April 26, 2015, 05:44:11 PM
I'm liking the 93mm awl in place of small blade option.  Conveniently I am low on small blades and have lots of extra inline awls, so it works out well.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/More%20BO/IMG_4097.jpg)

Hmm....How possible would a cybertool 29 with a 93mm awl in place of the small blade and a 93mm electrician blade for the can opener be?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 26, 2015, 06:23:33 PM
I'm liking the 93mm awl in place of small blade option.  Conveniently I am low on small blades and have lots of extra inline awls, so it works out well.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/More%20BO/IMG_4097.jpg)

Hmm....How possible would a cybertool 29 with a 93mm awl in place of the small blade and a 93mm electrician blade for the can opener be?

The only thing Im not sure about is the eblade in place of can opener.  Never tried that option on a 91.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 27, 2015, 02:42:38 AM
Syph my friend. You have accomplished what I tried to when I first joined and learned of this place. My hat is off to you.


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I'd like to build a few different configurations of these for myself, but damn the donors for cybertool mods are crazy expensive.

Well I have two Cybertools maybe we could work out a trade.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on April 28, 2015, 05:03:45 PM
I'm liking the 93mm awl in place of small blade option.  Conveniently I am low on small blades and have lots of extra inline awls, so it works out well.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/More%20BO/IMG_4097.jpg)

Hmm....How possible would a cybertool 29 with a 93mm awl in place of the small blade and a 93mm electrician blade for the can opener be?

The only thing Im not sure about is the eblade in place of can opener.  Never tried that option on a 91.

I'd also love to know if any blade can replace the can opener on the 91mm. Can you eye ball it next time you've got one of those babies apart?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 28, 2015, 09:27:56 PM
Waterjet brass 91mm liners were ready for pickup!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_4270.jpg)

Thankfully my file was good and the liners line up perfect.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_4275.jpg)

I only needed inner liners as I dont use the outer ones in my mods, and this basic shape works for all tools layers except the cybertool driver layer.  Pretty much analogous to the 93mm alox liner, however this is actually strong as there is more 'meat' in the middle.


I'm liking the 93mm awl in place of small blade option.  Conveniently I am low on small blades and have lots of extra inline awls, so it works out well.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/BO%20Mods/More%20BO/IMG_4097.jpg)

Hmm....How possible would a cybertool 29 with a 93mm awl in place of the small blade and a 93mm electrician blade for the can opener be?

The only thing Im not sure about is the eblade in place of can opener.  Never tried that option on a 91.

I'd also love to know if any blade can replace the can opener on the 91mm. Can you eye ball it next time you've got one of those babies apart?

I have a feeling no.. but I'll give it a try later.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: buck on April 29, 2015, 06:07:24 PM
Can you add an in line awl to a first mate?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 29, 2015, 06:15:20 PM
Can you add an in line awl to a first mate?

I have but its not easy.  The awl really only fits correctly with a main blade in a layer.  So a dual main blade SAK works well, but it woudl have to drop the opener layer.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: buck on April 30, 2015, 11:24:57 AM
Can you add an in line awl to a first mate?

I have but its not easy.  The awl really only fits correctly with a main blade in a layer.  So a dual main blade SAK works well, but it would have to drop the opener layer.

Please explain (or point me to a thread or link that explains).  Alos PM sent regarding custom alox.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on April 30, 2015, 12:55:31 PM
USA alox color scheme.  :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom350Plus/Custom398/IMG_4246.jpg)

Huh... Shouldn't it be red, white and blue, then? This is white, red and blue. Or blue, red and white...

 :think: :think: :think: :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 30, 2015, 02:33:50 PM
Can you add an in line awl to a first mate?

I have but its not easy.  The awl really only fits correctly with a main blade in a layer.  So a dual main blade SAK works well, but it would have to drop the opener layer.

Please explain (or point me to a thread or link that explains).  Alos PM sent regarding custom alox.

Since 93mm alox are symmetrical you can flip a blade layer around and put it where the opener layer normally is.  Thats the only clean way to have awl and spike.

I also put one on opposite mag glass before, but it was a heck of a feat getting that layer to work. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom340/IMG_9722.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: buck on April 30, 2015, 02:38:18 PM
Freakin' beautiful!  I want one except with a pruner blade instead of electrician.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 30, 2015, 02:54:21 PM
Freakin' beautiful!  I want one except with a pruner blade instead of electrician.

That wouldnt work in the above config. I had to shorten the eblade to get it to fit and that mag glass is already shortened as well.  Not possible to shorten a pruner.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 30, 2015, 05:32:52 PM
Can you add an in line awl to a first mate?

I have but its not easy.  The awl really only fits correctly with a main blade in a layer.  So a dual main blade SAK works well, but it would have to drop the opener layer.

Please explain (or point me to a thread or link that explains).  Alos PM sent regarding custom alox.

Since 93mm alox are symmetrical you can flip a blade layer around and put it where the opener layer normally is.  Thats the only clean way to have awl and spike.

I also put one on opposite mag glass before, but it was a heck of a feat getting that layer to work. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom300Plus/Custom340/IMG_9722.jpg)

Please say this is a picture of mag glass /awl layer.

If so I think it is the final part of my big custom puzzle.

I lost trac of the last conversation about Cybertool on a 93 mm so let me try and ask it simple like.

Can the Bit driver be put on a custom 93mm with something  to hold the bit in place? The regular black plastic bit is fine or something custom has to be done up?

Thanks.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: buck on April 30, 2015, 05:49:57 PM
Freakin' beautiful!  I want one except with a pruner blade instead of electrician.

That wouldnt work in the above config. I had to shorten the eblade to get it to fit and that mag glass is already shortened as well.  Not possible to shorten a pruner.

E blade it is then pm sent.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on May 01, 2015, 01:33:07 AM
Freakin' beautiful!  I want one except with a pruner blade instead of electrician.

That wouldnt work in the above config. I had to shorten the eblade to get it to fit and that mag glass is already shortened as well.  Not possible to shorten a pruner.

E blade it is then pm sent.

Do you really want the mag glass?
Not wanting to confuse you and not even sure if it fits but maybe drop the E blade and replace the mag glass with the P blade?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 04, 2015, 11:36:04 PM
Finally something other than black! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom401/IMG_4423.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom401/IMG_4397.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom401/IMG_4412.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 04, 2015, 11:55:30 PM
And some apocoloxy moddin' too

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom402/IMG_4304.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom402/IMG_4311.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom402/IMG_4319.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom402/IMG_4323.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom402/IMG_4331.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom402/IMG_4340.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on May 05, 2015, 12:04:33 AM
The Apocalypse green one is  :drool:
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Post by: mrynnr on May 05, 2015, 12:18:25 AM
Whoa! :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
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Post by: Monrogue on May 05, 2015, 01:58:46 AM
Nice ones Syph!

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Post by: tallowwaters on May 05, 2015, 04:19:15 AM
*greedy palm rubbing*
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 05, 2015, 02:09:21 PM
That green is pretty cool.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: buck on May 05, 2015, 03:42:29 PM
Awesome configuration!

If, say you didn't want the red shield because it clashed with apocalox now!, could that be nodded out?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 05, 2015, 03:43:08 PM
Awesome configuration!

If, say you didn't want the red shield because it clashed with apocalox now!, could that be nodded out?

The whole thing would need to be stripped and re-anodized to do that.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 05, 2015, 05:14:12 PM
Awesome configuration!

If, say you didn't want the red shield because it clashed with apocalox now!, could that be nodded out?

(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/e7c6625e60070c4a0c683695506fd314.jpg~original)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tomcat on May 06, 2015, 02:09:52 AM
Would you/can you do copper scales and/or liners?  :drool:

Asking because they'd look AMAZING with either green or black  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: wmoco on May 06, 2015, 02:24:26 AM
Would you/can you do copper scales and/or liners?  :drool:

Asking because they'd look AMAZING with either green or black  :D

Copper rusts/degrades extremely fast. Could last a month in good condition, a week if you live at the coast.
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Post by: wjruth on May 06, 2015, 04:51:18 PM
Would you/can you do copper scales and/or liners?  :drool:

Asking because they'd look AMAZING with either green or black  :D

Copper rusts/degrades extremely fast. Could last a month in good condition, a week if you live at the coast.
If that's the case, you better send me every penny you have and you should never look at the statue of liberty.
Copper develops a patina which is a reaction to the atmosphere. Aluminum does the same thing but it doesn't get the pretty colors.
Copper is harder than aluminum but softer than nickel. As a liner, brass would be better than straight copper.
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Post by: Syph007 on May 06, 2015, 04:55:32 PM
Would you/can you do copper scales and/or liners?  :drool:

Asking because they'd look AMAZING with either green or black  :D

Copper rusts/degrades extremely fast. Could last a month in good condition, a week if you live at the coast.
If that's the case, you better send me every penny you have and you should never look at the statue of liberty.
Copper develops a patina which is a reaction to the atmosphere. Aluminum does the same thing but it doesn't get the pretty colors.
Copper is harder than aluminum but softer than nickel. As a liner, brass would be better than straight copper.

Ya you could put copper on exterior, but it would not make a good liner material.  Once its oxidized it would not allow the tools to slip over it's surface very smoothly.  I love working with brass, but I have worked with copper a few times.  Not a big fan of it, but its ok.  It oxidizes very quickly compared to brass worked the same way.  Brass takes a couple years, copper a couple of weeks for the shine to go away and start oxidizing.
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Post by: Syph007 on May 08, 2015, 01:19:17 AM
Black and red today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom403/IMG_4505.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom403/IMG_4519.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom403/IMG_4520.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom403/IMG_4530.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom403/IMG_4540.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom403/IMG_4554.jpg)
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Post by: captain spaulding on May 08, 2015, 01:41:11 AM
Very nice as always!
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Post by: Monrogue on May 08, 2015, 02:22:38 AM
Very nice as always!
+1 :)

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Post by: Syph007 on May 09, 2015, 12:18:33 AM
Polished Ti scaled deluxe tinker with brass inlay.   Im REALLY happy with this one.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom404/IMG_4602.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom404/IMG_4620.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom404/IMG_4638.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom404/IMG_4661.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom404/IMG_4694.jpg)
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Post by: mrynnr on May 09, 2015, 12:19:59 AM
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :drool:
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Post by: SAK Guy on May 09, 2015, 12:23:15 AM
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :drool:


 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:  :drool: :drool: :drool:
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Post by: Syph007 on May 09, 2015, 12:25:37 AM
Those are stock liners too, but I sanded the edges.  They look pretty decent I think.
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Post by: Monrogue on May 09, 2015, 01:03:29 AM
Those are stock liners too, but I sanded the edges.  They look pretty decent I think.
It looks very smooth.  Nice work indeed buddy :tu:

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Post by: kosmo on May 09, 2015, 01:33:18 AM
Those are stock liners too, but I sanded the edges.  They look pretty decent I think.

Did you use a buffing wheel also?  They are nice and shiny.
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Post by: Syph007 on May 09, 2015, 03:28:36 AM
Those are stock liners too, but I sanded the edges.  They look pretty decent I think.

Did you use a buffing wheel also?  They are nice and shiny.

Hard felt wheel.   :tu:
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 09, 2015, 03:30:28 AM
Polished Ti scaled CYBERTOOL with brass inlay.


Fixed this for you buddy, I know you want to make one or maybe six. :pok:
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Post by: tomcat on May 09, 2015, 03:47:50 PM
Would you/can you do copper scales and/or liners?  :drool:

Asking because they'd look AMAZING with either green or black  :D

Copper rusts/degrades extremely fast. Could last a month in good condition, a week if you live at the coast.
If that's the case, you better send me every penny you have and you should never look at the statue of liberty.
Copper develops a patina which is a reaction to the atmosphere. Aluminum does the same thing but it doesn't get the pretty colors.
Copper is harder than aluminum but softer than nickel. As a liner, brass would be better than straight copper.

Ya you could put copper on exterior, but it would not make a good liner material.  Once its oxidized it would not allow the tools to slip over it's surface very smoothly.  I love working with brass, but I have worked with copper a few times.  Not a big fan of it, but its ok.  It oxidizes very quickly compared to brass worked the same way.  Brass takes a couple years, copper a couple of weeks for the shine to go away and start oxidizing.

makes sense!
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Post by: buck on May 10, 2015, 02:42:03 PM
What about brass scales with the signature cross hole like the Ti's?

I bet they'd tarnish handsomely.

Maybe with stone washed tools to look like they'd been around the block a few thousand times.
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Post by: Syph007 on May 10, 2015, 04:08:22 PM
What about brass scales with the signature cross hole like the Ti's?

I bet they'd tarnish handsomely.

Maybe with stone washed tools to look like they'd been around the block a few thousand times.

I wouldnt recommend brass scales on anything except the tiny 58s.  I put brass on an 84 and it made it so heavy it was rediculous.  :D  Looks nice though but the weight increase makes it completely unpocketable.
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Post by: Syph007 on May 12, 2015, 12:01:16 AM
Spartan + metal saw configuration.  I dont think there is any official SAK with these tools, so no official name that I know of.   :think:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom405/IMG_4722.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom405/IMG_4736.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom405/IMG_4742.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom405/IMG_4752.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom405/IMG_4766.jpg)
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Post by: hiraethus on May 12, 2015, 12:04:49 AM
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Clipper+91mm :pok:

Ok, no back tool on the file, but close enough.  I see you put the fine driver on there instead of the chisel.  I can't work out why Victorinox would usually pair the screwdriver with the saw and the chisel with the file - seems the wrong way round to me.
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Post by: Syph007 on May 12, 2015, 12:07:17 AM
A clipper! Well now I know.   :D

I completely agree about the backtools.  Chisel belongs on wood saw.
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Post by: Syph007 on May 13, 2015, 10:48:34 PM
So it seems the cybertool, despite being a pricey SAK for a donor, is still plenty popular.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom406/IMG_4936.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom406/IMG_4959.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom406/IMG_4977.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom406/IMG_4993.jpg)
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 13, 2015, 10:52:03 PM
Can not wait to do a CT custom!

Do my eyes decieve me or is there no CS or backside phillips on this one?

Forgot to ask, could you put a Wenger mag glass on one of these 91mm customs?
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Post by: Syph007 on May 13, 2015, 10:56:40 PM
Can not wait to do a CT custom!

Do my eyes decieve me or is there no CS or backside phillips on this one?

Forgot to ask, could you put a Wenger mag glass on one of these 91mm customs?

Yep this is the second one I did with no cutout on the backscale.  Works fine except on this one I needed to make a little notch on the back scale to allow access to the nail nick on the awl which is the backtool on the blade layer.

I have no idea about a wenger mag glass, but if its the right thickness to use with a saw backspring or similar, that would be the best bet.
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 13, 2015, 11:01:54 PM
Thinking about it some more this combination of tools is so good for a smaller SAK. Well played to whomever ordered it.

So let's say I wanted to just send you say one of my 91mm SAKs to have the CS removed. You just replace the liner with a special one you had made?
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Post by: Syph007 on May 13, 2015, 11:06:21 PM
Thinking about it some more this combination of tools is so good for a smaller SAK. Well played to whomever ordered it.

So let's say I wanted to just send you say one of my 91mm SAKs to have the CS removed. You just replace the liner with a special one you had made?

Well i can do it with these because i made the scales amd can use full ones on both sides.  So any converted sak to Ti works.  There are no full plastic 91 mm scales though.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 13, 2015, 11:10:37 PM
Thinking about it some more this combination of tools is so good for a smaller SAK. Well played to whomever ordered it.

So let's say I wanted to just send you say one of my 91mm SAKs to have the CS removed. You just replace the liner with a special one you had made?

Well i can do it with these because i made the scales amd can use full ones on both sides.  So any converted sak to Ti works.  There are no full plastic 91 mm scales though.

Ok so there is still a little empty area where the CS would go behind the full scale?

Still a TI conversion would be sweet.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 13, 2015, 11:17:06 PM
Thinking about it some more this combination of tools is so good for a smaller SAK. Well played to whomever ordered it.

So let's say I wanted to just send you say one of my 91mm SAKs to have the CS removed. You just replace the liner with a special one you had made?

Well i can do it with these because i made the scales amd can use full ones on both sides.  So any converted sak to Ti works.  There are no full plastic 91 mm scales though.

Ok so there is still a little empty area where the CS would go behind the full scale?

Still a TI conversion would be sweet.

I dont use outer liners at all on these mods so I dont have to make full version of those.  But ya on a normal plastic scaled SAK youd have a space in the liner and scale that are normally occupied by the corkscrew.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 13, 2015, 11:41:54 PM
Forgot about the outer liner.

Looking at my Champion right now and on this one it is the scale, outer liner and some space on the knife layer.

With no CS it would just be the little bit of space on the knife layer that would be good, very cool.

Thanks for the info man.
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Post by: hansthebear on May 14, 2015, 02:38:11 AM
Oh that last one looks good ;)
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Post by: Aloha on May 14, 2015, 08:35:39 AM
From the Green one to this latest one :ahhh WOW. 
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 14, 2015, 03:29:07 PM
Just noticed the bit driver is perfectly centered on this one, nice.

Put a saw on one side of the driver and the metal file on the other and we cq 're getting close to my dream SAK. Just would like a mag glass somehow.
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Post by: Syph007 on May 18, 2015, 11:33:16 PM
More polished Ti on this one, with all brass accents.  Liners, old cross and tweezers.  :D

This was the first use of the waterjet liners and thankfully they were a perfect fit.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom407/IMG_5018.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom407/IMG_5092.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom407/IMG_5101.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom407/IMG_5050.jpg)
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Post by: SAK Guy on May 18, 2015, 11:36:41 PM
 :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: WOW!!!!!!
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Post by: Reinier on May 18, 2015, 11:54:34 PM
:ahhh
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 19, 2015, 12:15:10 AM
 :drool: beautiful!
JR
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Post by: Monrogue on May 19, 2015, 02:17:09 AM
:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: WOW!!!!!!
What SG said :). Lookin' good!

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Post by: Syph007 on May 19, 2015, 02:32:13 AM
Ok very rough here yes, but I've been meaning to try this for some time now, which is to make a custom mag glass holder for the new modern glass lenses Vic uses.

This was a requested one in copper.  My plan is to file the insides, then sand with a mandrel then taper to match the angle of the glass.  I will use copper rivets to assemble the halves, then sand and polish it up and Im hoping it works.... :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=191422;image)
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Post by: Monrogue on May 19, 2015, 02:54:47 AM
Cool Syph, look forward to seeing how this works out.

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Post by: captain spaulding on May 19, 2015, 03:00:15 AM
Cool Syph, look forward to seeing how this works out.

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+1.
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tjfarrington2000 on May 19, 2015, 05:20:12 AM
More polished Ti on this one, with all brass accents.  Liners, old cross and tweezers.  :D

This was the first use of the waterjet liners and thankfully they were a perfect fit.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom407/IMG_5018.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom407/IMG_5092.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom407/IMG_5101.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom407/IMG_5050.jpg)
that is by far the most beautiful Swiss Army knife I have laid my eyes on, it looks like a piece of jewelry


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Post by: akosky on May 19, 2015, 06:00:44 AM
Looks amazing Robert!

Thanks!

-Anthony

More polished Ti on this one, with all brass accents.  Liners, old cross and tweezers.  :D

This was the first use of the waterjet liners and thankfully they were a perfect fit.

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Post by: Syph007 on May 20, 2015, 11:27:46 PM
I can't remember ever working on a gold colored alox before, but I did today.  This started as a gold rancher.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom408/IMG_5141.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom408/IMG_5163.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom408/IMG_5183.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom408/IMG_5192.jpg)
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Post by: Syph007 on May 21, 2015, 12:16:14 AM
I wanted to try some BO'd tools with tumbled Ti scales and I think it looks pretty decent.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom409/IMG_5243.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom409/IMG_5248.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom409/IMG_5292.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom409/IMG_5331.jpg)
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Post by: Monrogue on May 21, 2015, 01:24:48 AM
Nice ones Syph!

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Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 21, 2015, 02:56:29 AM
Nice ones Syph!

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:2tu: NICE!
JR
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Post by: Syph007 on May 22, 2015, 11:58:45 PM
I had an idea and wanted to try today.  Make some grooves in a Ti scale, anodize the whole thing and then sand the surface leaving the inner parts still colored.  It does work pretty well, so I could make some interesting texture on Ti for grip or accent and color them.   Some interesting potential there for sure.   :tu:

I think a series of diagonal liner or X shapes would work well...  :think:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5392.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_5388.jpg)
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Post by: SAK Guy on May 23, 2015, 12:12:06 AM
Hey that's awesome looking!!!!!!
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Post by: captain spaulding on May 23, 2015, 02:22:02 AM
Very cool! Reminds me of what CRK does.



(http://www.bladehq.com/imgs/manual-knives/chris-reeve-manual/chris-reeve-sebenza/chris-reeve-folder-small-sebenza-21-unique-graphic-w_opal-mosaic-triplet-inlay.jpg)
(http://www.bladehq.com/imgs/knives/manual-knives/chris-reeve-manual/chris-reeve-sebenza/chris-reeve-small-sebenza-ug-gold-31-march-jm.jpg)
(http://www.bladehq.com/imgs/knives/manual-knives/chris-reeve-manual/chris-reeve-sebenza/chris-reeve-small-sebenza-ug-31-march-blue-jm.jpg)
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Post by: buck on May 26, 2015, 10:47:46 PM
I couldn't be happier with the gold alox and the OHO Gardener.  Thanks for the great work, Syph!

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=59720.new#new
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Post by: Syph007 on May 28, 2015, 02:41:55 AM
Im working on a fancy and complicated Ti/brass conversion of a 91mm with long nail file on back.

The file itself isn't connected to any of the normal pins but instead is riveted between two liners.  In this pic you can see the stock liners on top and the nail file.  I recreated the stock ones in brass.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5550.jpg)

And then riveted it back together.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5566.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5574.jpg)

This mod also has full size scale liners as it has T&T and pin so I need the full liners.  I'm going to cheat and just grind the liners with the Ti scales in a sandwich, which will ensure they are perfectly mated to the Ti scales.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5575.jpg)

Stay tuned.... :D
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 29, 2015, 02:26:51 AM

Stay tuned.... :D

Ok.
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Post by: Syph007 on May 30, 2015, 02:47:03 PM
 :ahhh   :ahhh   :ahhh

That's how my brain feels anyway.. I figured 8 hrs or so and Id have this done but I'm probably 3x that.  That's what I get for thinking a job would be easy! :D

I actually have it almost done now and the parts I assumed would be easiest of course were not.  Fitting the pin and toothpick took the longest to perfect and Im not doing a full outer liner on a Ti mod again that was nuts to get it exactly mating.  Cutting the slots I did on my manual mill and that actually wasnt too bad.

Here's some in progress pics.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5579.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5583.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5587.jpg)

This is a big boy too, note the spliced pivots to get 0.800" long ones.  Its a 5 layer all together. 

I'll post the final build pics.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 31, 2015, 10:48:58 PM
Here are the final build pics of this beast! 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5647.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5657.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5661.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5671.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5675.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5683.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5690.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5697.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5701.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom413/IMG_5713.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 31, 2015, 10:58:59 PM
I try to build similar knives together as its more time efficient, so this Ti model also went together today. 

An explorer toolset but with backside phillips instead of corkscrew, and serrations added to the small blade.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom414/IMG_5596.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom414/IMG_5621.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom414/IMG_5625.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on May 31, 2015, 11:05:28 PM

I try to build similar knives together as its more time efficient, so this Ti model also went together today. 

An explorer toolset but with backside phillips instead of corkscrew, and serrations added to the small blade.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom414/IMG_5596.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom414/IMG_5621.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom414/IMG_5625.jpg)
whoa! :tu;
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on May 31, 2015, 11:29:45 PM
Those are some nice SAKs!  I really like the polished Ti scales.   

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 01, 2015, 02:33:54 AM
I have a feeling you will be getting a lot of orders for SAKs like these. The big one is almost perfect imo.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: borjor on June 01, 2015, 03:41:39 PM
I see that you are making mods with toothpic, tweezers and even pin in Ti. Can it be made in Alox (Basically for cheapest material)? And with a pen too?
If that is the case my 91mm cellidor scales are saying goodbye very soon.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 01, 2015, 07:26:23 PM
I see that you are making mods with toothpic, tweezers and even pin in Ti. Can it be made in Alox (Basically for cheapest material)? And with a pen too?
If that is the case my 91mm cellidor scales are saying goodbye very soon.

The next alox scales I have being anodized for 91mm I cut the tweezer slot.  The toothpick slot I like to skip and Im not sure about the pin as I think I can find a better spot to put that.  Its a much nicer and thinner mod to not have to have those inner liners on the scales just to hold scale tools.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: borjor on June 01, 2015, 08:18:36 PM
For me tweezers and pen are a must... Well, it's a start until we can get the best from both types. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: borjor on June 01, 2015, 08:20:09 PM
The next alox scales I have being anodized for 91mm I cut the tweezer slot.  The toothpick slot I like to skip and Im not sure about the pin as I think I can find a better spot to put that.  Its a much nicer and thinner mod to not have to have those inner liners on the scales just to hold scale tools.  :D
For me tweezers and pen are a must... Well, it's a start until we can get the best from both types. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 01, 2015, 11:13:10 PM
Back to some 93mm today.  This is natural color hard anodize.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom415/IMG_5758.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom415/IMG_5742.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom415/IMG_5753.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 02, 2015, 05:59:38 PM
I used my experiment scales to build a BO/red/Ti hiker.  Interesting look I think.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom416/IMG_5772.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom416/IMG_5776.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom416/IMG_5789.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom416/IMG_5795.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom416/IMG_5803.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom416/IMG_5819.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 02, 2015, 06:16:13 PM
Might be to much but some red in the area you have carved out of the scales would look pretty cool I bet.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 02, 2015, 06:17:45 PM
Might be to much but some red in the area you have carved out of the scales would look pretty cool I bet.

I love to try that, but cant anodize Ti in red.  Only blue/purple are easy, and pink/green are possible with pre etching.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 02, 2015, 06:55:50 PM
Might be to much but some red in the area you have carved out of the scales would look pretty cool I bet.

I love to try that, but cant anodize Ti in red.  Only blue/purple are easy, and pink/green are possible with pre etching.

Then blue, green, pink or purple liners to go with it. Sexy.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on June 02, 2015, 10:52:01 PM
Mmm purple... :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 03, 2015, 01:57:36 AM
Mmm purple... :facepalm:

You need a twelve step program Mary.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on June 03, 2015, 02:13:28 AM

Mmm purple... :facepalm:

You need a twelve step program Mary.
doubt it. I'm hopeless.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 03, 2015, 10:57:12 PM
I havent built a 58 in awhile, but here is a minichamp in blue anodized Ti, with tweezers and awl added from a 91.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom417/IMG_5841.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom417/IMG_5864.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom417/IMG_5907.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom417/IMG_5909.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom417/IMG_5919.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: borjor on June 04, 2015, 09:25:55 AM
I have another question regarding the pen: if you cut a longer slot, will it fit instead of the toothpic? P.s.: I'm trying to contact you through pm and email for a mod.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 10, 2015, 12:03:00 AM
Im working on a copper accented Ti mod next.  It was actually easier to fill with copper as it flowed easier I could be less exact with the hand cutting of the + shape and it squished itself in there nicely.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom418/IMG_5938.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom418/IMG_5953.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tomcat on June 11, 2015, 09:06:42 AM
Im working on a copper accented Ti mod next.  It was actually easier to fill with copper as it flowed easier I could be less exact with the hand cutting of the + shape and it squished itself in there nicely.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom418/IMG_5938.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom418/IMG_5953.jpg)

Gorgeous!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 11, 2015, 11:54:06 PM
I had a very old mod of mine come back for a change and it was so nice to see something come in that had been used.

This was number 83 ( Im currently working on 425 ) so this was quite an older one.

Here is what it looked like as delivered.  This was a bladeless mod.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom083/IMG_4842.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom083/IMG_4850.jpg)

And here is what it looks like today.  The owner decided a small blade to be of more use than can opener, and also wanted the keyring removed.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom083/IMG_5965.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom083/IMG_5972.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom083/IMG_5976.jpg)

It was nice to see some worn alox, I dont get to see it often.  :D  Ive had some cerakote mods come back but they dont hold up near as well as anodize so I'll probably not bother with cerakote again.

 :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 12, 2015, 12:26:01 AM
And project Ti with copper is done now too.

I didn't have copper rod the right size to rivet the tweezer head together.. then after some digging in the garage I found some household wire.  Turns out the diameter of the ground wire is 1/16th inch, the exact rivet size I use and it's pure copper.  Worked great.  :D

This is a none backscale cutout build so it has the awl on back for blade layer.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom418/IMG_6002.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom418/IMG_6024.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom418/IMG_6029.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom418/IMG_6057.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom418/IMG_6084.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom418/IMG_6091.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom418/IMG_6103.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom418/IMG_6109.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on June 12, 2015, 01:04:00 AM
I think that's my favorite thing you've made yet syph :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on June 12, 2015, 01:08:06 AM
That's bloody stunning mate :)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 12, 2015, 01:38:58 AM
Yup, the more of these I see, the more I want my Rogueneer to get the Ti upgrade :)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: neillcurrie on June 12, 2015, 03:12:14 AM
That's superb!
Aren't you worried about a galvanitic reaction between all the dissimilar metals seizing it all together though  ;) ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on June 12, 2015, 03:39:04 AM
Be A U ti FUL! :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 12, 2015, 04:01:39 AM
That's superb!
Aren't you worried about a galvanitic reaction between all the dissimilar metals seizing it all together though  ;) ;)

If the Al and Cu were touching yes, but since the Al is anodized its non conductive.  The Ti is pretty well inert so maybe the copper would oxidize faster?  Not sure really but we'll see what happens. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kosmo on June 12, 2015, 09:42:01 AM

This is a none backscale cutout build so it has the awl on back for blade layer.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom418/IMG_6057.jpg)


Do you have a hidden 4th pin for holding the back springs that have back side tools?  I would like to try putting a multitool hook in an 84mm alox.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 12, 2015, 05:08:00 PM

This is a none backscale cutout build so it has the awl on back for blade layer.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom418/IMG_6057.jpg)


Do you have a hidden 4th pin for holding the back springs that have back side tools?  I would like to try putting a multitool hook in an 84mm alox.


Yes I drill into the scale of each side about 2 mm with carbide PCB circuit board drill bit of 2.2mm and that works perfect. 

84 alox scales are too thin to sink a hole that far but you might be able to get it deep enough to work if you use a 2.2mm endmill after first spotting the hole with a standard pointed drill bit. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: neillcurrie on June 12, 2015, 06:41:30 PM
Now for the next step: embedding a 1 carat diamond into the Tweezer copper end
 :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 12, 2015, 07:42:37 PM
Now for the next step: embedding a 1 carat diamond into the Tweezer copper end
 :rofl: :rofl:

Good guess! But not diamond...  :whistle:  I'm practicing my gem setting first though.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: twiliter on June 16, 2015, 02:35:47 PM
A couple of questions for you Syph, and maybe this was covered elsewhere, but what is required to put a small blade in a 93mm in place of the awl, is there a factory spacer that works?

And, is the file from a 91mm a direct drop in on a 93mm saw spring?

Thanks in advance, I'm trying to figure out what to send you for a custom, if you're willing and still taking 93mm requests.

 :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 16, 2015, 03:57:16 PM
A couple of questions for you Syph, and maybe this was covered elsewhere, but what is required to put a small blade in a 93mm in place of the awl, is there a factory spacer that works?

And, is the file from a 91mm a direct drop in on a 93mm saw spring?

Thanks in advance, I'm trying to figure out what to send you for a custom, if you're willing and still taking 93mm requests.

 :)

A small blade is a wee bit thinner than the awl, so I make little washers to fill out the remainer of the space, but other than that they fit no problem.

91mm file works on the 93mm saw spring with no changes needed (other than making the pivot hole bigger).

:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: twiliter on June 16, 2015, 05:52:04 PM
A couple of questions for you Syph, and maybe this was covered elsewhere, but what is required to put a small blade in a 93mm in place of the awl, is there a factory spacer that works?

And, is the file from a 91mm a direct drop in on a 93mm saw spring?

Thanks in advance, I'm trying to figure out what to send you for a custom, if you're willing and still taking 93mm requests.
i
 :)

A small blade is a wee bit thinner than the awl, so I make little washers to fill out the remainer of the space, but other than that they fit no problem.

91mm file works on the 93mm saw spring with no changes needed (other than making the pivot hole bigger).

:D

Thanks, will continue on PM...  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 18, 2015, 08:38:28 PM
I still have a decent stash of BO'd 93mm parts but they dont get asked for too often.  Here is one I put together today on request.  A good combination of tools in 3 layers.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom423/IMG_6323.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom423/IMG_6346.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom423/IMG_6349.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom423/IMG_6351.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom423/IMG_6358.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on June 19, 2015, 02:08:36 AM
Beautiful BO double blade Syph...even better on the 93mm frame so they can be on opposite pivots.  Nice work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on June 19, 2015, 02:32:44 AM
Excellent work.  :drool:

You had to go and ruin it with the combo tool though.  :P
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 19, 2015, 11:29:28 PM
I got some more 91mm alox in.  I machined a tweezer slot in a few this time.  :D

I love this 4 layer setup.  Lots of tools and still reasonable on thickness.  Every layer has a backtool and no hook on scissors layer for the hook haters either... :D

CNC machined 6061 Al scales
Black hard anodized
Brass liners
Brass Nub on tweezers

1.  combo tool / main blade / phillips
2.  metal file / chisel
3.  wood saw / fine driver
4.  scissors / awl

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6370.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6433.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6461.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6447.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6489.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6496.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6511.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 21, 2015, 12:42:33 AM
I forgot the customer wanted the wire cutter mod to the scissors so I added that.  Id never tried it before but wow it does actually cut wire pretty darn good.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6542.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6550.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MachoGrande on June 21, 2015, 05:04:14 AM
Just made it through this entire thread. Amazing work, Syph. I'm inspired. Seeing as how you don't work on 84mm, I may take a stab at modding my Cadet. If I may ask, can the saw from a 84mm Lumberjack replace the blade in a Cadet. Usually the saw in an 84mm pivots on the "fat" end. Will it work on the skinny the end in place of the blade?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 23, 2015, 03:59:46 PM
Just made it through this entire thread. Amazing work, Syph. I'm inspired. Seeing as how you don't work on 84mm, I may take a stab at modding my Cadet. If I may ask, can the saw from a 84mm Lumberjack replace the blade in a Cadet. Usually the saw in an 84mm pivots on the "fat" end. Will it work on the skinny the end in place of the blade?

Wow you need a prize for reading the whole thread! :D  The saw only works on the saw backspring as far as I know.  Its not a tapered tools like a blade and its the same thickness the whole way, so its not a good tool to share with another tool in the same layer.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 23, 2015, 04:00:00 PM
I promoted 3 stock alox saks to Electrician + scissors config.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom426/IMG_6644.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom426/IMG_6653.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom426/IMG_6669.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: twiliter on June 23, 2015, 04:35:43 PM
Love the OC's, thinking about round 2 even before 425 arrives... :facepalm:

Nice work Syph!  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MachoGrande on June 23, 2015, 11:06:47 PM
Just made it through this entire thread. Amazing work, Syph. I'm inspired. Seeing as how you don't work on 84mm, I may take a stab at modding my Cadet. If I may ask, can the saw from a 84mm Lumberjack replace the blade in a Cadet. Usually the saw in an 84mm pivots on the "fat" end. Will it work on the skinny the end in place of the blade?

Wow you need a prize for reading the whole thread! :D

Thanks! I'll let you know where to send my free custom sak! :D

Thanks for the info regarding the saw. That makes a lot of sense as to why I never see a 93mm saw sharing a layer with something like an awl.

So if I was looking for a slim, bladeless 93mm sak that featured a saw, a cap lifter, an inline phillps and an awl, could the awl sit opposite the inline phillips next to the cap lifter?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: detron on June 24, 2015, 02:51:48 AM
I forgot the customer wanted the wire cutter mod to the scissors so I added that.  Id never tried it before but wow it does actually cut wire pretty darn good.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6542.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6550.jpg)

any guidance on the scissor mod for wire cutters?  it looks straight forward,  but, looks can be deceiving
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 24, 2015, 04:32:39 AM
I forgot the customer wanted the wire cutter mod to the scissors so I added that.  Id never tried it before but wow it does actually cut wire pretty darn good.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6542.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6550.jpg)

any guidance on the scissor mod for wire cutters?  it looks straight forward,  but, looks can be deceiving

I used a small diamond bur that came with my dremel to make the cutouts then cleaned up the edges with a stone, and that was it.  I was expecting it to be more annoying but it was pretty straight forward.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: detron on June 24, 2015, 04:38:00 AM
I forgot the customer wanted the wire cutter mod to the scissors so I added that.  Id never tried it before but wow it does actually cut wire pretty darn good.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6542.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6550.jpg)

any guidance on the scissor mod for wire cutters?  it looks straight forward,  but, looks can be deceiving

I used a small diamond bur that came with my dremel to make the cutouts then cleaned up the edges with a stone, and that was it.  I was expecting it to be more annoying but it was pretty straight forward.

sounds good,  at about what opening angle of the scissors did you do the drilling?  (closed, 30 degrees, etc)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 24, 2015, 03:12:48 PM
I forgot the customer wanted the wire cutter mod to the scissors so I added that.  Id never tried it before but wow it does actually cut wire pretty darn good.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6542.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6550.jpg)

any guidance on the scissor mod for wire cutters?  it looks straight forward,  but, looks can be deceiving

I used a small diamond bur that came with my dremel to make the cutouts then cleaned up the edges with a stone, and that was it.  I was expecting it to be more annoying but it was pretty straight forward.

sounds good,  at about what opening angle of the scissors did you do the drilling?  (closed, 30 degrees, etc)

Oh I did it full open, then kept grinding until they mated up just right.

I used a bit that looks like the one on the right in this pic.

(http://www.southernforestryproducts.com/media/products/dtdb.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 27, 2015, 02:57:07 PM
One of the last little blades I had made went into a pioneer yesterday.  These really are too thick for my preference so next time I try making some it will be on thinner material.  These are 0.160" thick blades.  The pliers layer is 0.125" for reference.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom428/IMG_6778.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom428/IMG_6802.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom428/IMG_6810.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on June 27, 2015, 04:14:35 PM
Very cool!!!!!! :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 27, 2015, 05:09:04 PM
That's a beast of a blade, and really cool :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: detron on June 27, 2015, 05:14:26 PM
I forgot the customer wanted the wire cutter mod to the scissors so I added that.  Id never tried it before but wow it does actually cut wire pretty darn good.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6542.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom424/IMG_6550.jpg)

any guidance on the scissor mod for wire cutters?  it looks straight forward,  but, looks can be deceiving

I used a small diamond bur that came with my dremel to make the cutouts then cleaned up the edges with a stone, and that was it.  I was expecting it to be more annoying but it was pretty straight forward.

sounds good,  at about what opening angle of the scissors did you do the drilling?  (closed, 30 degrees, etc)

Oh I did it full open, then kept grinding until they mated up just right.

I used a bit that looks like the one on the right in this pic.

(http://www.southernforestryproducts.com/media/products/dtdb.jpg)

thank you,  I THOUGHT that was how,  but wanted to be sure
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 28, 2015, 03:53:28 PM
The customer that bought my liner lock farmer modded my mod and made it better.  The ver 2 of the liner lock still needs some tweaking as it can be awkward to activate it.  He dremeled out a scallop in the back scale and said it now works like a dream.  When I make version 3 I will make the thumb grip area higher.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom422/IMG_0557.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 28, 2015, 05:52:06 PM
The customer that bought my liner lock farmer modded my mod and made it better.  The ver 2 of the liner lock still needs some tweaking as it can be awkward to activate it.  He dremeled out a scallop in the back scale and said it now works like a dream.  When I make version 3 I will make the thumb grip area higher.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom422/IMG_0557.jpg)
Looks great, the only downer on that whole setup looks to be that it will rub the "Vic" name off in due time.. Any locking blade, besides the oldschool back lock ones have a little ball that glides across the blade, small as heck and I have no clue how it stays in, but just an idea?
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 28, 2015, 06:58:41 PM
The customer that bought my liner lock farmer modded my mod and made it better.  The ver 2 of the liner lock still needs some tweaking as it can be awkward to activate it.  He dremeled out a scallop in the back scale and said it now works like a dream.  When I make version 3 I will make the thumb grip area higher.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom422/IMG_0557.jpg)
Looks great, the only downer on that whole setup looks to be that it will rub the "Vic" name off in due time.. Any locking blade, besides the oldschool back lock ones have a little ball that glides across the blade, small as heck and I have no clue how it stays in, but just an idea?
JR

Ya most liner locks use a detent ball that holds blade from wobbling free in closed mode.  Since this still has a backspring that holds it closed I dont need that.  From what I understand though you drill a precise hole then press fit them in.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 28, 2015, 07:26:45 PM
The customer that bought my liner lock farmer modded my mod and made it better.  The ver 2 of the liner lock still needs some tweaking as it can be awkward to activate it.  He dremeled out a scallop in the back scale and said it now works like a dream.  When I make version 3 I will make the thumb grip area higher.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom422/IMG_0557.jpg)
Looks great, the only downer on that whole setup looks to be that it will rub the "Vic" name off in due time.. Any locking blade, besides the oldschool back lock ones have a little ball that glides across the blade, small as heck and I have no clue how it stays in, but just an idea?
JR

Ya most liner locks use a detent ball that holds blade from wobbling free in closed mode.  Since this still has a backspring that holds it closed I dont need that.  From what I understand though you drill a precise hole then press fit them in.
I always thought that was to have less of a rub when opening and closing the blade.
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 28, 2015, 09:29:48 PM
The customer that bought my liner lock farmer modded my mod and made it better.  The ver 2 of the liner lock still needs some tweaking as it can be awkward to activate it.  He dremeled out a scallop in the back scale and said it now works like a dream.  When I make version 3 I will make the thumb grip area higher.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom422/IMG_0557.jpg)
Looks great, the only downer on that whole setup looks to be that it will rub the "Vic" name off in due time.. Any locking blade, besides the oldschool back lock ones have a little ball that glides across the blade, small as heck and I have no clue how it stays in, but just an idea?
JR

Ya most liner locks use a detent ball that holds blade from wobbling free in closed mode.  Since this still has a backspring that holds it closed I dont need that.  From what I understand though you drill a precise hole then press fit them in.
I always thought that was to have less of a rub when opening and closing the blade.
JR

Yep it serves that purpose too.

Found a good youtube video talking about them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYsnQrGg6TY
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 28, 2015, 10:46:23 PM
The customer that bought my liner lock farmer modded my mod and made it better.  The ver 2 of the liner lock still needs some tweaking as it can be awkward to activate it.  He dremeled out a scallop in the back scale and said it now works like a dream.  When I make version 3 I will make the thumb grip area higher.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom422/IMG_0557.jpg)
Looks great, the only downer on that whole setup looks to be that it will rub the "Vic" name off in due time.. Any locking blade, besides the oldschool back lock ones have a little ball that glides across the blade, small as heck and I have no clue how it stays in, but just an idea?
JR

Ya most liner locks use a detent ball that holds blade from wobbling free in closed mode.  Since this still has a backspring that holds it closed I dont need that.  From what I understand though you drill a precise hole then press fit them in.
I always thought that was to have less of a rub when opening and closing the blade.
JR

Yep it serves that purpose too.

Found a good youtube video talking about them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYsnQrGg6TY
Yeah, in your case it wouldn't be needed, since it holds in the closed position, but just for a easy glide while opening and closing, but if you really think about it wouldn't really do anything since the sak is a two hand open no matter what, unlike any other lock blade where it's a one hand open..
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on July 03, 2015, 09:45:25 AM
Looks like I need to send you a Syph mod and some cash to upgrade it!

Too sweet!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MachoGrande on July 03, 2015, 03:29:18 PM
Hey Syph, if I was looking for a slim, bladeless 93mm sak that featured a saw, a cap lifter, an inline phillps and an awl, could the awl sit opposite the inline phillips next to the cap lifter?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 03, 2015, 05:23:41 PM
Hey Syph, if I was looking for a slim, bladeless 93mm sak that featured a saw, a cap lifter, an inline phillps and an awl, could the awl sit opposite the inline phillips next to the cap lifter?

Yes im sure i did that configuration before and it should work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 04, 2015, 03:53:48 AM
Finally the 93mm rescue blade SAK mod is together! :D 

The Ti liner lock worked out well on this, but I had a big issue getting the blade normal big blade on there.  The nail nick points inside so running out of ideas I just ground a nail nick on the other side so it could be opened.  Luckily that worked out just fine!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom431/IMG_6854.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom431/IMG_6860.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom431/IMG_6870.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom431/IMG_6873.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom431/IMG_6888.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom431/IMG_6892.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom431/IMG_6904.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom431/IMG_6912.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 04, 2015, 04:54:12 AM
Now that is pretty bad a$$! Nice job Syph!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on July 04, 2015, 08:09:10 AM
Now that is pretty bad a$$! Nice job Syph!
JR
I can only second that... it has turned out prettier than a Disney Princess.

(http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/150/5/e/lovestruck_smiley_by_sasukes1gf4life-d51oamt.png)

I will call this model ALPINIST, as this is its intended purpose.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on July 04, 2015, 02:28:17 PM
Can someone school me on the liners that seperate tools. That last mod has the saw and file butted right up to one another. Do liners just provide room to get to the nail nicks, or do they serve another purpose?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 04, 2015, 04:47:50 PM
Can someone school me on the liners that seperate tools. That last mod has the saw and file butted right up to one another. Do liners just provide room to get to the nail nicks, or do they serve another purpose?


They provide stength to the frame and work against the resistance of the backsprings.  If you were to say build a swisschamp and leave out all liners, the inner tools would have zero snap and the pins would be bowed.  But thin tools you can get away with putting a couple per layer.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on July 04, 2015, 06:43:59 PM
Can someone school me on the liners that seperate tools. That last mod has the saw and file butted right up to one another. Do liners just provide room to get to the nail nicks, or do they serve another purpose?


They provide stength to the frame and work against the resistance of the backsprings.  If you were to say build a swisschamp and leave out all liners, the inner tools would have zero snap and the pins would be bowed.  But thin tools you can get away with putting a couple per layer.

Interesting, thanks. Nice work, as always.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 04, 2015, 09:37:35 PM
These are Ti scale blanks that I manually textured on my mill today as a test.  I think they'll look pretty sweet anodized and with the upper surface sanded shiny....  :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=196960;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on July 04, 2015, 11:25:36 PM
These are Ti scale blanks that I manually textured on my mill today as a test.  I think they'll look pretty sweet anodized and with the upper surface sanded shiny....  :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=196960;image)

Hot damn, Syph! Those are some sweet looking scales! Can't wait to see how they turn out.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 05, 2015, 04:45:18 AM
They do look good syph, here's an idea, idk if it would be possable but if so what about a mini diamond plate pattern? Now that would be cool!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on July 07, 2015, 11:36:08 AM
Finally the 93mm rescue blade SAK mod is together! :D 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom431/IMG_6854.jpg)

Another lefty liner lock...  :ahhh  ...resistance is weakening.  :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on July 07, 2015, 01:35:36 PM
Well I did some kind of chemistry here by accident...  :think:

The center was polished brass and I wanted to anodize the rest blue... didnt quite work, but its interesting.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2987.jpg)

This, for me, is still the most beautiful scale you made so far. Can you replicate this "accident"? If I ever get the funds, I'll be asking you to build me a SAK with this cross.

 :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 08, 2015, 03:23:23 AM
Well I did some kind of chemistry here by accident...  :think:

The center was polished brass and I wanted to anodize the rest blue... didnt quite work, but its interesting.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2987.jpg)

This, for me, is still the most beautiful scale you made so far. Can you replicate this "accident"? If I ever get the funds, I'll be asking you to build me a SAK with this cross.

 :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:

Im sure i could do it again ya.  The anodize part was good, but I didnt care for the brass turning black.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 08, 2015, 04:09:08 AM
These are Ti scale blanks that I manually textured on my mill today as a test.  I think they'll look pretty sweet anodized and with the upper surface sanded shiny....  :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=196960;image)

I would have had this done but I sliced my left hand real good so modding is slow.  Here are the scales anodized.  They look much better in natural light but the sun went down too fast!

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=197233;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on July 08, 2015, 12:27:11 PM
These are Ti scale blanks that I manually textured on my mill today as a test.  I think they'll look pretty sweet anodized and with the upper surface sanded shiny....  :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=196960;image)

I would have had this done but I sliced my left hand real good so modding is slow.  Here are the scales anodized.  They look much better in natural light but the sun went down too fast!

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=197233;image)

You just keep upping the game, Syph! Those are sweet looking scales.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on July 08, 2015, 12:30:40 PM
Well I did some kind of chemistry here by accident...  :think:

The center was polished brass and I wanted to anodize the rest blue... didnt quite work, but its interesting.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2987.jpg)

This, for me, is still the most beautiful scale you made so far. Can you replicate this "accident"? If I ever get the funds, I'll be asking you to build me a SAK with this cross.

 :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:

Im sure i could do it again ya.  The anodize part was good, but I didnt care for the brass turning black.

Could the brass cross be taken out? To leave it hollow, like in the new scales you just did? Or is the brass too "stuck" in place to remove?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 08, 2015, 05:17:58 PM
Well I did some kind of chemistry here by accident...  :think:

The center was polished brass and I wanted to anodize the rest blue... didnt quite work, but its interesting.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2987.jpg)

This, for me, is still the most beautiful scale you made so far. Can you replicate this "accident"? If I ever get the funds, I'll be asking you to build me a SAK with this cross.

 :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:

Im sure i could do it again ya.  The anodize part was good, but I didnt care for the brass turning black.

Could the brass cross be taken out? To leave it hollow, like in the new scales you just did? Or is the brass too "stuck" in place to remove?

Yup I could punch it out after.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 08, 2015, 05:18:39 PM
Here is my latest completed Ti mod.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom433/IMG_7136.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom433/IMG_7069.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom433/IMG_7098.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on July 08, 2015, 05:46:08 PM
Just a crazy idea. Would it be possible to use Leatherman mini pliers from the Squirt or the Style PS as the basis, and add SAK 58mm tools and your scales?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on July 08, 2015, 05:53:13 PM
Very cool Syph!!!!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on July 08, 2015, 06:34:37 PM
Just a crazy idea. Would it be possible to use Leatherman mini pliers from the Squirt or the Style PS as the basis, and add SAK 58mm tools and your scales?

What is this "Leatherman" model you talk about?! I know not of any such Victorinox...

 :think: :think: :think: :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on July 08, 2015, 08:17:00 PM
Just a Frankenstein keychain multitool idea of mine. Maybe a silly idea. Take apart a Style PS,or a Gerber Dime , keep the pliers and add components from a Rambler or a Minichamp, if possible.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on July 08, 2015, 08:42:44 PM
Just a Frankenstein keychain multitool idea of mine. Maybe a silly idea. Take apart a Style PS,or a Gerber Dime , keep the pliers and add components from a Rambler or a Minichamp, if possible.
Check this out: 58mm with pliers experiment (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,43286.msg706006.html#msg706006)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on July 08, 2015, 08:50:28 PM
Just a Frankenstein keychain multitool idea of mine. Maybe a silly idea. Take apart a Style PS,or a Gerber Dime , keep the pliers and add components from a Rambler or a Minichamp, if possible.
Check this out: 58mm with pliers experiment (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,43286.msg706006.html#msg706006)
Oh yes, I am aware of this. I had the same idea! But I was thinking that the 91mm pliers are not the most suitable, because they do not fold, and the tool is bigger. Since there are no Victorinox mini folding pliers, other manufacturer's pliers might be used.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 09, 2015, 01:34:08 AM
And just one of those little alox ones today...  :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom434/IMG_7175.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom434/IMG_7165.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom434/IMG_7172.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom434/IMG_7186.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom434/IMG_7198.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on July 09, 2015, 02:03:06 AM
 :sa: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 09, 2015, 03:07:13 AM
That's a beauty Syph :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 09, 2015, 03:34:45 AM
Love the blue liners with the black scales, don't think I've seen that before.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on July 09, 2015, 03:43:52 AM
:ahhh you have blue liners! :drool: :drool: :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on July 09, 2015, 03:44:00 AM
:ahhh you have blue liners! :drool: :drool: :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: TazzieRob on July 09, 2015, 07:25:42 AM
Just a Frankenstein keychain multitool idea of mine. Maybe a silly idea. Take apart a Style PS,or a Gerber Dime , keep the pliers and add components from a Rambler or a Minichamp, if possible.

Not sure about the LM Style and Squirt pivots, but the Vic 58mm brass pivots are 1.6mm, and the Gerber Dime has 3mm screw pivots. The screw part of the Dime pivot is still bigger than 1.6mm, and there isn't enough meat on the little scissors and other tools from the 58mm to flog out to 3mm.  Perhaps a shorter 3mm pivot that just went through the pliers section and a longer screw could incorporate Vic 58mm tools into the Dime. That would make it worth carrying then.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on July 09, 2015, 07:31:12 AM
 :woohoo: :woohoo: :drool:

That looks fantastic and such a great tool-loadout :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: TazzieRob on July 09, 2015, 07:38:17 AM
I'd definitely carry that if it had the Electrician blade over the hawk bill.  Looks great  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: TazzieRob on July 09, 2015, 07:48:39 AM
I'd definitely carry that if it had the Electrician blade over the hawk bill.  Looks great  :drool:

Oh, and it had scissors
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 09, 2015, 07:02:49 PM
Ive been asked this question more often lately so I thought I should take the time to explain with a sweet MS Paint diagram.

Question... what can cause main blade rubbing on awl in a modded 93mm.
Answer...  If the blade pivot hole is not drilled at the correct angle it can change how the blade sits.  If you look at how angled a 93mm blade is, then picture laying it flat to drill it, it can then alter the pivot angle and then cause the blade tip to sit closer to the backside scale and rub.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/blade_1.png)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on July 09, 2015, 07:51:58 PM
Isn't it about time you commissioned a batch of 3mm hardened stainless pivots?  :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 09, 2015, 08:04:22 PM
Isn't it about time you commissioned a batch of 3mm hardened stainless pivots?  :pok:

Since I mostly work on 91mm size now its not worth it.  :D  2.5mm pivots would be too small I think to be strong enough.  Drilling out tools and springs for a mod is maybe 30 minutes of effort.  Blade layer and opener layer springs dont even need drilling.

1/8 inch carbide bits are cheaper too then metric around here so it's just easier to stick to imperial.  75% of the effort in the modding time on the 91s is working on the scales anyhow, so Im trying to figure out faster ways to finish the Ti scales.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 13, 2015, 05:05:42 PM
I still havent finished up the textured Ti mod as I was off camping for the weekend, but I should have it together tonight.

I did finish a plain scaled Climber though.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom435/IMG_7207.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom435/IMG_7228.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom435/IMG_7238.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom435/IMG_7267.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom435/IMG_7276.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 13, 2015, 10:22:22 PM
And here we have the textured one... and its for me!  Havent built myself one in ages and Ive been wanting a textured Ti 91mm in my favorite configuration... super tinker with tweezers!  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom436/IMG_7315.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom436/IMG_7331.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom436/IMG_7351.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom436/IMG_7408.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom436/IMG_7426.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom436/IMG_7378.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on July 13, 2015, 10:34:07 PM
Very nice! :tu: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 13, 2015, 10:57:29 PM
Forgot the comparison pic vs standard super tinker.  People always ask about thickness of these conversions.  Noticeably thinner due to thinner scales and dropping the outer liners.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom436/IMG_7461.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Demel on July 13, 2015, 11:00:01 PM
Wow. Those textured scales are worth :drool: over. Great job as always!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on July 13, 2015, 11:01:24 PM
:drool: :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on July 13, 2015, 11:48:27 PM
I may be alone on this one, but I don't like the textured scales when the "groves" are large like that.


Have you thought about doing (or have done) old school ribbed scales?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 14, 2015, 12:02:13 AM
I may be alone on this one, but I don't like the textured scales when the "groves" are large like that.


Have you thought about doing (or have done) old school ribbed scales?

I did some of those on 93mm Ti scales and they work fine.  Never did use them on a build though.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on July 14, 2015, 12:13:12 AM
I may be alone on this one, but I don't like the textured scales when the "groves" are large like that.


Have you thought about doing (or have done) old school ribbed scales?

I did some of those on 93mm Ti scales and they work fine.  Never did use them on a build though.

Do you still have them?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 15, 2015, 03:47:21 PM
I may be alone on this one, but I don't like the textured scales when the "groves" are large like that.


Have you thought about doing (or have done) old school ribbed scales?

I did some of those on 93mm Ti scales and they work fine.  Never did use them on a build though.

Do you still have them?

What he means to say pictures or it didn't happen.  :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 15, 2015, 06:51:53 PM
I havent got any pics of the Ti ones ribbed, but the prototype alox I did by hand were ribbed.

(http://sakmodder.com/customs/91mm_alox/Prototype/08.jpg)

Its a nice look but the crosshatch is better grip as it provides grip in all directions.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 15, 2015, 08:00:52 PM
I filled the cutout on this one with Al before I tumbled it and wondered if it would stay shiny or not.  It didnt get as dark as the Ti but did dark some. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom438/IMG_7523.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom438/IMG_7530.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom438/IMG_7543.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on July 15, 2015, 09:04:32 PM
I filled the cutout on this one with Al before I tumbled it and wondered if it would stay shiny or not.  It didnt get as dark as the Ti but did dark some. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom438/IMG_7523.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom438/IMG_7530.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom438/IMG_7543.jpg)

The Al has a very nice look to it when used in the cutout. Kind of a complementary, understated logo for a working tool. Very nice!. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 15, 2015, 09:31:27 PM
 :tu: nice! That one is like perfect!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 15, 2015, 11:10:06 PM
Ya I was pleasantly surprised by the cross.  Neat thing is if I was able to do home Al anodize I could anodized that cross after it was placed since the surrounding Ti would be unaffected by the sulfuric acid.

I forgot the customer wanted a clip on this so it now has one.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom438/IMG_7581.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 15, 2015, 11:29:07 PM
Alright, even better!! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: cowsmilk on July 19, 2015, 05:18:46 AM

Ya I was pleasantly surprised by the cross.  Neat thing is if I was able to do home Al anodize I could anodized that cross after it was placed since the surrounding Ti would be unaffected by the sulfuric acid.

I forgot the customer wanted a clip on this so it now has one.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom438/IMG_7581.jpg)

Personally, I liked the effect the brass had on the titanium when anodized after installation. Very spontaneous design.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on July 19, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
Ya I was pleasantly surprised by the cross.  Neat thing is if I was able to do home Al anodize I could anodized that cross after it was placed since the surrounding Ti would be unaffected by the sulfuric acid.

Would it work the other way around? Anodize the Ti with the Al in? Or would the Al be affected by the Ti anodize?

I'm thinking Blue Ti with plain Al cross would look sweet.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 27, 2015, 11:58:48 PM
I gotta say im really enjoying doing the Ti 91mm work.  With the alox mods I always needed at least 2 SAKs to make one and then had left over bits.

Here's a tumbled super tinker I finished today with Aluminum cross.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom442/IMG_7755.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom442/IMG_7748.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom442/IMG_7780.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 28, 2015, 01:17:04 AM
Very nice Syph! :tu:
JR

Whats on the back side, just the Philips?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 28, 2015, 01:44:27 AM
Very nice Syph! :tu:
JR

Whats on the back side, just the Philips?

Standard super tinker, so back has phillips, hook, awl.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 28, 2015, 01:48:44 AM
Very nice Syph! :tu:
JR

Whats on the back side, just the Philips?

Standard super tinker, so back has phillips, hook, awl.
Looking good! Hey how about getting red aluminum to fill the +?
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 28, 2015, 01:52:13 AM
Very nice Syph! :tu:
JR

Whats on the back side, just the Philips?

Standard super tinker, so back has phillips, hook, awl.
Looking good! Hey how about getting red aluminum to fill the +?
JR

Actually Ive been looking into other color options.  Since I like to stick to a no-plastic rule, that eleminates any epoxy type filler.  But, there are brightly colored brass/Al mokumes that I want to try next.

From www.m3mokume.com

(http://www.m3mokume.com/images/M3_Mokumer_2_knives_by_Allen_Elishewitz.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on July 28, 2015, 01:54:57 AM
Very nice Syph! :tu:
JR

Whats on the back side, just the Philips?

Standard super tinker, so back has phillips, hook, awl.
Looking good! Hey how about getting red aluminum to fill the +?
JR

Too bad Ti can't anodize to a nice red colour...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 28, 2015, 01:58:19 AM
Very nice Syph! :tu:
JR

Whats on the back side, just the Philips?

Standard super tinker, so back has phillips, hook, awl.
Looking good! Hey how about getting red aluminum to fill the +?
JR

Too bad Ti can't anodize to a nice red colour...

Ya pink is about all that could be done there. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 31, 2015, 12:47:54 AM
I guess this is a SANK (swiss army no knife) :D  Bladeless traveler model.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom443/IMG_7860.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom443/IMG_7825.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom443/IMG_7898.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom443/IMG_7915.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on July 31, 2015, 01:53:48 AM
LOL!!! WOW!  :2tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 31, 2015, 04:46:08 AM
If I worked for TSA I would say the can opener is a blade and confiscate that beauty.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: TazzieRob on July 31, 2015, 07:03:05 AM
Australian Airport Security firms would confiscate it anyway, as it looks like it has some vaguely pointy bits and somewhat sharp bits  :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on July 31, 2015, 07:21:51 AM
Australian Airport Security firms would confiscate it anyway, as it looks like it has some vaguely pointy bits and somewhat sharp bits  :facepalm:

Same here too, because of the tools. However, three layers of awesome right there.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAKchief on July 31, 2015, 12:57:04 PM
Australian Airport Security firms would confiscate it anyway, as it looks like it has some vaguely pointy bits and somewhat sharp bits  :facepalm:

Same here too, because of the tools. However, three layers of awesome right there.  :tu:

its reflective surface can be used to shine a light on to their eyes causing temporary blindness...

that's when you sneak it through security.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 31, 2015, 03:08:24 PM
Ya you could also use the mag glass to make a death ray!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on July 31, 2015, 05:53:56 PM

Ya you could also use the mag glass to make a death ray!

Haha!! Death Star sak
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 31, 2015, 11:04:12 PM
This one is the 444th custom SAK Ive built since I started modding.

I wanted to try brass riveting Ti scales and then flush sanding to remove away all the hammer strikes. It worked out great!

It's a deluxe tinker with nail file hook on back, brass rivets, brass cross and polished scales.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom444/IMG_7980.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom444/IMG_7929.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom444/IMG_7938.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom444/IMG_7959.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom444/IMG_7965.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on July 31, 2015, 11:11:23 PM
That's freaking awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on August 01, 2015, 03:22:06 AM
That's freaking awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
+1 - Very cool to see that smooth riveting.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on August 06, 2015, 08:46:45 PM
Syph - I don't recall seeing any pics of a 91mm with the small blade, electricians blade, or hawk bill blade opposite an opener. Is this doable, or is it unique to the 93mm platform?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 06, 2015, 10:32:25 PM
Syph - I don't recall seeing any pics of a 91mm with the small blade, electricians blade, or hawk bill blade opposite an opener. Is this doable, or is it unique to the 93mm platform?

Nope those don't fit the modern opener spring, its very specific to the tools its used for.  It would be possible to put those blades in place of the normal small blade though.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on August 07, 2015, 04:11:49 PM
Syph - I don't recall seeing any pics of a 91mm with the small blade, electricians blade, or hawk bill blade opposite an opener. Is this doable, or is it unique to the 93mm platform?

Nope those don't fit the modern opener spring, its very specific to the tools its used for.  It would be possible to put those blades in place of the normal small blade though.

Thanks, man. After reading your response, I think you actually answered this for me before a few pages back  :D


Does anyone know if looking for scissors with no hook would be a good indicator that a 91mm uses the old opener spring. Just curious.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 07, 2015, 07:10:10 PM
Probably but im not sure.  Easy to tell by looking at the keyrings though.  Thoae old springs dont have a keyring loop like modern ones.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 07, 2015, 07:21:55 PM
Collectors might not want to watch what's next... :D

A fellow contacted me who wanted to turn an XAVT into a user.  It's getting a thin down treatment going from a 15 layer to a 9 layer.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/XAVT/IMG_8166.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on August 07, 2015, 07:39:54 PM
 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on August 07, 2015, 10:06:50 PM
Collectors might not want to watch what's next... :D

A fellow contacted me who wanted to turn an XAVT into a user.  It's getting a thin down treatment going from a 15 layer to a 9 layer.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/XAVT/IMG_8166.jpg)

Can't wait to see what you turn it into... :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 08, 2015, 11:52:55 PM
I was being super careful to take off a layer at a time and keep them in order... :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/XAVT/IMG_8169.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/XAVT/IMG_8174.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/XAVT/IMG_8178.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/XAVT/IMG_8185.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on August 09, 2015, 12:19:19 AM
 :ahhh

(http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/3/33/Protest.gif)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 09, 2015, 12:24:18 AM
Ok here we go.  Started with these 15 layers ...

1. Small blade / Large Knife blade - plain edge
2. Metal saw
3. Combo tool / watch case opener tool
4. Bit Driver and case 1
5. Pharmaceutical Spatula
6. Pruner blade / electricians blade
7. scissors
8. wood saw
9. 93mm awl / serrated blade
10. New mag glass / White LED Light Module
11. Fish scaler
12. Bit Driver and case 2
13. Pliers 
14. Old mag glass / old phillips
15. Can Opener / Bottle Opener

And left with these 8 layers (and also swapped corkscrew to phillips) ....

1. Small blade / Large Knife blade - plain edge
2. Metal saw
6. Pruner blade / electricians blade
7. scissors
8. wood saw
9. 93mm awl / serrated blade
10. New mag glass / White LED Light Module
15. Can Opener / Bottle Opener

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/XAVT/IMG_8222.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/XAVT/IMG_8226.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/XAVT/IMG_8234.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/XAVT/IMG_8244.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on August 09, 2015, 12:59:05 AM
That's quite a cool, beastly SAK Syph :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on August 09, 2015, 02:41:18 AM
That's quite a cool, beastly SAK Syph :tu:

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+100!!!  Wow!!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 09, 2015, 02:51:11 AM
Also a Ti/brass deluxe climber went together too.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom448/IMG_8198.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom448/IMG_8205.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom400Plus/Custom448/IMG_8213.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on August 09, 2015, 03:40:12 AM
Also very nice :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on August 09, 2015, 03:49:43 AM
Yes, wonderful!!!  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: twiliter on August 09, 2015, 12:55:22 PM
Yes, wonderful!!!  :cheers:
Also very nice :tu:



+1  :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on August 10, 2015, 02:39:52 PM
Put the layers you took out back toghether and call it the Leftover SAK...

 :pok: :pok:

 :D :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 10, 2015, 03:14:46 PM
Put the layers you took out back toghether and call it the Leftover SAK...

 :pok: :pok:

 :D :D

OH they will be going into something.  There were 2 CT tool layers in that sucker.   I also never had a spatula before.  Not sure Id use it, but I like to collect parts and have at least one of each type for reference.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 10, 2015, 04:37:23 PM
Put the layers you took out back toghether and call it the Leftover SAK...

 :pok: :pok:

 :D :D

OH they will be going into something.  There were 2 CT tool layers in that sucker.   I also never had a spatula before.  Not sure Id use it, but I like to collect parts and have at least one of each type for reference.  :D

CT layers you say?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on August 11, 2015, 01:10:00 AM
Were the electrician and harvester blades on a backspring that is unique to the XAVT or is it a spring used by other tools too?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 11, 2015, 01:46:13 AM
Were the electrician and harvester blades on a backspring that is unique to the XAVT or is it a spring used by other tools too?

It was an opener layer spring from the old style SAKs that didnt have the keyring on there.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on August 11, 2015, 04:58:32 AM
Were the electrician and harvester blades on a backspring that is unique to the XAVT or is it a spring used by other tools too?

It was an opener layer spring from the old style SAKs that didnt have the keyring on there.

Interesting. I thought that using the old opener spring was just something you figured out. Didn't expect for that to be the factory approach.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Demel on August 14, 2015, 12:07:54 AM
I dont know if this has been asked before but what can the mag glass on the explorer be replaced with? Will the two openers fit opposite the phillips on a frame? Is there another tool the will fill that gap? Thanks for helping my lack of knowledge.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on August 14, 2015, 01:17:27 AM
I dont know if this has been asked before but what can the mag glass on the explorer be replaced with? Will the two openers fit opposite the phillips on a frame? Is there another tool the will fill that gap? Thanks for helping my lack of knowledge.

On a 91mm, the openers will not fit opposite the philips. On a 93mm, it is possible. I think the only other tool that fits across from the mag glass is the LED light. Not sure the LED will fit across from the philips though.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Demel on August 14, 2015, 01:18:27 AM
Thanks. Just curious. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on August 14, 2015, 01:25:05 AM
Thanks. Just curious. :tu:

No worries. I asked Syph about it at one point as I really like that opener/philips setup on the 93mm frame and was hoping to DIY it onto a 91mm mod.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 14, 2015, 01:52:22 AM
Ya I gave it the old college try, but it jsut doesnt work.  The springs are so weird on 91s, they dont accomodate different tools well.  Oh well.

To spice things up I have a new tool layer coming out for 91/93 size that is a drop in replacement for the saw (uses saw backspring).  Its being waterjet right now....  any guesses?  Its one tool but I did up 3 versions of it since I couldnt decide what I liked best.  Its been on my list of requested tools for some time now.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on August 14, 2015, 02:16:04 AM
Ya I gave it the old college try, but it jsut doesnt work.  The springs are so weird on 91s, they dont accomodate different tools well.  Oh well.

To spice things up I have a new tool layer coming out for 91/93 size that is a drop in replacement for the saw (uses saw backspring).  Its being waterjet right now....  any guesses?  Its one tool but I did up 3 versions of it since I couldnt decide what I liked best.  Its been on my list of requested tools for some time now.

Hmmm....a new blade that isn't a spear point???
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on August 14, 2015, 02:34:00 AM
Ya I gave it the old college try, but it jsut doesnt work.  The springs are so weird on 91s, they dont accomodate different tools well.  Oh well.

To spice things up I have a new tool layer coming out for 91/93 size that is a drop in replacement for the saw (uses saw backspring).  Its being waterjet right now....  any guesses?  Its one tool but I did up 3 versions of it since I couldnt decide what I liked best.  Its been on my list of requested tools for some time now.
Oh exciting....I may have to rethink my recent request depending on what this is :ahhh

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 14, 2015, 03:31:36 AM
Ya I gave it the old college try, but it jsut doesnt work.  The springs are so weird on 91s, they dont accomodate different tools well.  Oh well.

To spice things up I have a new tool layer coming out for 91/93 size that is a drop in replacement for the saw (uses saw backspring).  Its being waterjet right now....  any guesses?  Its one tool but I did up 3 versions of it since I couldnt decide what I liked best.  Its been on my list of requested tools for some time now.

Hmmm....a new blade that isn't a spear point???

Nope not a blade, but that is on the list.  Its something people have asked for alot and there is no version of it currently on 91mm SAKs.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on August 14, 2015, 11:39:11 AM
Some sort of (thin) marlin spike? Ruler?
Sounds interesting.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on August 14, 2015, 11:40:31 AM
Fine flat driver, I reckon.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: JP on August 14, 2015, 03:07:35 PM
Robertson #2
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Post by: Toolslinger on August 14, 2015, 03:13:06 PM
Robertson #2

That would be sweet.

Maybe have a #2 with a #1 across from it... :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 14, 2015, 03:34:38 PM
Robertson #2

That would be sweet.

Maybe have a #2 with a #1 across from it... :drool:

Robertson?

Is that Canadian language for Phillips? :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on August 14, 2015, 04:00:01 PM
Robertson #2

That would be sweet.

Maybe have a #2 with a #1 across from it... :drool:

Robertson?

Is that Canadian language for Phillips? :pok:

Nope :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#Robertson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi6tQthPDWc
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on August 14, 2015, 04:02:12 PM
Robertson #2

That would be sweet.

Maybe have a #2 with a #1 across from it... :drool:

Robertson?

Is that Canadian language for Phillips? :pok:

Nope. Canadian for Square Drive :pok:

Named after the inventor who was Canadian. They are quite prevalent around these parts and one of the reasons I prefer to carry an LM with a bit driver. No company offers one standard on their tools. You can get the add-on from SOG if you can find it and care to pay for the part and shipping.

Reinier beat me to it :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 14, 2015, 04:11:57 PM
Robertson screws are the highest torque screws you can get.  Love them and its all I buy for wood working / house projects.  The only thing they are not good for is when you WANT a screw to torque out like when doing drywall phillips is better as they will slip out easy.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 14, 2015, 06:14:59 PM
So is that the new layer you made?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on August 14, 2015, 07:22:53 PM
If Syph made a Robertson layer, I need to get funds for a custom SAK ASAP. :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 14, 2015, 10:40:50 PM
So is that the new layer you made?

Nope.  Id love one but i think it would have appeal only to Canadians.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on August 14, 2015, 10:44:22 PM
So is that the new layer you made?

Nope.  Id love one but i think it would have appeal only to Canadians.

:cry:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 15, 2015, 01:08:57 AM
Some sort of (thin) marlin spike? Ruler?
Sounds interesting.

:D

Hopefully I'll have something to show off in a week.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 15, 2015, 01:10:02 AM
Ive been booked solid with 91mm Ti builds which is nice, however most people just want the matte tumbled look so its not all that exciting to show off the same scales over and over. 

I think this is the first explorer Ive done though.  Finished it today.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom452/IMG_8431.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom452/IMG_8401.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom452/IMG_8404.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom452/IMG_8408.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 15, 2015, 01:13:25 AM
Love me some Explorer.
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Post by: Monrogue on August 15, 2015, 01:45:01 AM
Very nice Syph :tu:
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Post by: JP on August 15, 2015, 02:05:26 AM
So is that the new layer you made?

Nope.  Id love one but i think it would have appeal only to Canadians.
OK, what is the quantity we need to buy to make it worth your time?

I'll take one and Toolslinger seems in.

It will be a nice addition to the Bushcrafter that is in the works.

Canadian made cars should use Robertson.....but that is history.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: BADSAK on August 15, 2015, 04:08:24 AM
Ya I gave it the old college try, but it jsut doesnt work.  The springs are so weird on 91s, they dont accomodate different tools well.  Oh well.

To spice things up I have a new tool layer coming out for 91/93 size that is a drop in replacement for the saw (uses saw backspring).  Its being waterjet right now....  any guesses?  Its one tool but I did up 3 versions of it since I couldnt decide what I liked best.  Its been on my list of requested tools for some time now.

Hmmm....a new blade that isn't a spear point???

Nope not a blade, but that is on the list.  Its something people have asked for alot and there is no version of it currently on 91mm SAKs.

 :think: Cheese slicer?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on August 15, 2015, 05:53:51 AM
Nope not a blade, but that is on the list. 
It's something people have asked for alot and there is no version of it currently on 91mm SAKs.

Hmm - This kinda implies it is on another length SAK??
Malin spike? 93mm style awl??

Nope.  Id love one but i think it would have appeal only to Canadians.

Decking in the UK, and possibly Oz, for some reason uses Robertson screws. But yep, not so common - And would you need a decking screwdriver on your EDC??

So XAVT owner let you keep the left overs Syph? - Nice
- I guess not much use for them, if he is not a modder and now has his perfect EDC.
Really suprised he left out the Cybertools ???
- And to be honest - really suprised anyone tore down an XAVT  at all!! :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on August 15, 2015, 10:18:14 PM
Either a pry bar or a universal wrench?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 17, 2015, 07:08:51 PM
This one was interesting as it's a bladeless model.

I wanted to use the metal file backspring in the blade layer so I could use the phillips on the backside.  The only problem is the metal file layer is thinner by 0.015" than the blade layer.  So what I did was to mill off that much material from the flat pivot area of the phillips driver and it fit like a dream!  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom453/IMG_8507.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom453/IMG_8493.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom453/IMG_8470.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom453/IMG_8466.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom453/IMG_8461.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom453/IMG_8442.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on August 17, 2015, 09:13:19 PM
That's an interesting one Syph :tu:

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 18, 2015, 01:51:07 AM
Either a pry bar or a universal wrench?

Maybe a universal pry bar?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: JP on August 18, 2015, 03:21:17 AM
I figured out the mystery item after combing this thread and Syph's gallery.....it is obvious to me now.

A Capo.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: TazzieRob on August 18, 2015, 03:50:17 AM
I figured out the mystery item after combing this thread and Syph's gallery.....it is obvious to me now.

A Capo.

For a guitar?

Just use a rubber band to hook over each end of the SAK around the neck  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: JP on August 18, 2015, 07:17:32 AM
I figured out the mystery item after combing this thread and Syph's gallery.....it is obvious to me now.

A Capo.

For a guitar?

Just use a rubber band to hook over each end of the SAK around the neck  :tu:
Well......that does make it easier. I should add a nice rubber band to my edc.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: BADSAK on August 20, 2015, 09:24:44 PM
Please Syph, what is the mystery tool? I can't stand the suspense! :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on August 20, 2015, 09:38:52 PM
Me either man....I have got to see it soon in case I want to add it to my MechaRogue ;)

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Post by: MadPlumbarian on August 20, 2015, 09:42:26 PM
Me either man....I be got to see it soon in case I want to add it to my MechaRogue ;)

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk
Huh :think: what language are you speaking?
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on August 20, 2015, 09:46:48 PM
Me either man....I be got to see it soon in case I want to add it to my MechaRogue ;)

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk
Huh :think: what language are you speaking?
JR
Lol, I don't know what I said there...I know what I meant though ;)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on August 20, 2015, 09:53:39 PM
Me either man....I be got to see it soon in case I want to add it to my MechaRogue ;)

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk
Huh :think: what language are you speaking?
JR
Lol, I don't know what I said there...I know what I meant though ;)

Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk
I'm glad you did, all I got was I want to add it to my MechaRogue..
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 20, 2015, 10:12:37 PM
Please Syph, what is the mystery tool? I can't stand the suspense! :ahhh

I was hoping he'd have the parts cut this week, but looks like I'll have to wait until next week.  Boy this will be a let down if they don't turn out! :D  I'll show what I made anyhow though.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on August 21, 2015, 08:14:53 AM
Please Syph, what is the mystery tool? I can't stand the suspense! :ahhh

I was hoping he'd have the parts cut this week, but looks like I'll have to wait until next week.  Boy this will be a let down if they don't turn out! :D  I'll show what I made anyhow though.

Can't wait, even though I've seen your design drawings :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 22, 2015, 12:20:41 AM
Back to some alox work today.  Electrician with scissors :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom454/IMG_8532.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom454/IMG_8567.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom454/IMG_8579.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 22, 2015, 12:41:39 AM
And my last set of white cerakote scales.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom455/IMG_8610.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom455/IMG_8620.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom455/IMG_8638.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on August 22, 2015, 01:32:40 AM
:ahhh :drool: does that mean you won't be getting anymore white?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 22, 2015, 02:13:20 AM
:ahhh :drool: does that mean you won't be getting anymore white?

I dont think i will do anymore cerakote at all actually.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MachoGrande on August 22, 2015, 02:35:03 AM
When doing the phillips-across-from-two-tools mod, do the opener layer springs need to be modded to accommodate the phillips?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 22, 2015, 02:37:20 AM
When doing the phillips-across-from-two-tools mod, do the opener layer springs need to be modded to accommodate the phillips?

Nope.  One just needs to be flipped around.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 22, 2015, 03:21:34 AM
:ahhh :drool: does that mean you won't be getting anymore white?

I dont think i will do anymore cerakote at all actually.

Wait what?

What scales will you put on your Alox customs?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 22, 2015, 03:38:53 AM
:ahhh :drool: does that mean you won't be getting anymore white?

I dont think i will do anymore cerakote at all actually.

Wait what?

What scales will you put on your Alox customs?

Just anodized ones and Ti.  Ive got a bunch of Ti scales being cut with various options
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MachoGrande on August 22, 2015, 04:33:38 AM
When doing the phillips-across-from-two-tools mod, do the opener layer springs need to be modded to accommodate the phillips?

Nope.  One just needs to be flipped around.

Ok, bear with me here. I'm new to this. No matter which way I swap the spring, I can't get it to work with the phillips. And if I could, the spring would stick out past the bottom of the scale. Do I need to mod the phillips? Or do I have the wrong Phillips?

(http://d.pr/i/dMck+)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on August 22, 2015, 05:06:31 AM
When doing the phillips-across-from-two-tools mod, do the opener layer springs need to be modded to accommodate the phillips?

Nope.  One just needs to be flipped around.

Ok, bear with me here. I'm new to this. No matter which way I swap the spring, I can't get it to work with the phillips. And if I could, the spring would stick out past the bottom of the scale. Do I need to mod the phillips? Or do I have the wrong Phillips?

(http://d.pr/i/dMck+)

Yes I believe you'll need to grind the lugs off the Phillips.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 22, 2015, 06:42:01 AM
When doing the phillips-across-from-two-tools mod, do the opener layer springs need to be modded to accommodate the phillips?

Nope.  One just needs to be flipped around.

Ok, bear with me here. I'm new to this. No matter which way I swap the spring, I can't get it to work with the phillips. And if I could, the spring would stick out past the bottom of the scale. Do I need to mod the phillips? Or do I have the wrong Phillips?

(http://d.pr/i/dMck+)

Yes I believe you'll need to grind the lugs off the Phillips.

Is that a 91mm?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MachoGrande on August 22, 2015, 06:45:11 AM
When doing the phillips-across-from-two-tools mod, do the opener layer springs need to be modded to accommodate the phillips?

Nope.  One just needs to be flipped around.

Ok, bear with me here. I'm new to this. No matter which way I swap the spring, I can't get it to work with the phillips. And if I could, the spring would stick out past the bottom of the scale. Do I need to mod the phillips? Or do I have the wrong Phillips?

(http://d.pr/i/dMck+)

Yes I believe you'll need to grind the lugs off the Phillips.

Is that a 91mm?

The Phillips is from a 91mm. It's going in a 93mm project.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 22, 2015, 06:48:16 AM
K
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MachoGrande on August 22, 2015, 02:59:40 PM

Ok, bear with me here. I'm new to this. No matter which way I swap the spring, I can't get it to work with the phillips. And if I could, the spring would stick out past the bottom of the scale. Do I need to mod the phillips? Or do I have the wrong Phillips?

(http://d.pr/i/dMck+)

Yes I believe you'll need to grind the lugs off the Phillips.

Thanks. Anyone else care to confirm before I totally ruin this phillips driver?  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on August 22, 2015, 03:33:20 PM
The lobster is right. Basically, you need to make the tang of the philips driver a similar size to the one on the cap lifter. You can adjust the angle of each face as well as the perpendicular distance from the pivot to change the angle of the driver relative to the spring, and you can change the radius of the corners to make it easier to open/close.

Make sure you leave enough material on to keep the snap and to ensure it doesn't drop too far into the knife when closed but take enough off that it's not too difficult to open and close.

Take it steady - easy to take too much off, difficult to put it back on again. ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MachoGrande on August 22, 2015, 03:35:23 PM
The lobster is right. Basically, you need to make the tang of the philips driver a similar size to the one on the cap lifter. You can adjust the angle of each face as well as the perpendicular distance from the pivot to change the angle of the driver relative to the spring, and you can change the radius of the corners to make it easier to open/close.

Make sure you leave enough material on to keep the snap and to ensure it doesn't drop too far into the knife when closed but take enough off that it's not too difficult to open and close.

Take it steady - easy to take too much off, difficult to put it back on again. ;)

Thank you!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on August 24, 2015, 09:12:09 PM
This one was interesting as it's a bladeless model.

I wanted to use the metal file backspring in the blade layer so I could use the phillips on the backside.  The only problem is the metal file layer is thinner by 0.015" than the blade layer.  So what I did was to mill off that much material from the flat pivot area of the phillips driver and it fit like a dream!  :D


Syph - The "lock" on the main blade on the 93mm feels so much stronger then on the 91mm, and I've assumed this is largely because there is no back tool.

So now that you're able to put the cutout tools on other layers, is there a no-back tool spring that can be used with the main blade on the 91mm? Am I overstating the affect that the back tool has on the lock?

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 24, 2015, 10:12:10 PM
This one was interesting as it's a bladeless model.

I wanted to use the metal file backspring in the blade layer so I could use the phillips on the backside.  The only problem is the metal file layer is thinner by 0.015" than the blade layer.  So what I did was to mill off that much material from the flat pivot area of the phillips driver and it fit like a dream!  :D


Syph - The "lock" on the main blade on the 93mm feels so much stronger then on the 91mm, and I've assumed this is largely because there is no back tool.

So now that you're able to put the cutout tools on other layers, is there a no-back tool spring that can be used with the main blade on the 91mm? Am I overstating the affect that the back tool has on the lock?

Nope there are no, no back tool blade backsprings that I know of.  The main reason for the 93mm feel is significantly thicker and stronger backsprings than the 91s.  At least thats what I think, but the shape probably plays a role too.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 24, 2015, 11:39:08 PM
Ive been using up my left over bits and parts and this one was to use up a set of farmer BO'd parts.  I put on textured Ti scales and it kinds of gives it a diamond plate like feel.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom457/IMG_8765.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom457/IMG_8771.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom457/IMG_8788.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom457/IMG_8795.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom457/IMG_8803.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on August 24, 2015, 11:47:13 PM
Great looking scales.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on August 24, 2015, 11:50:29 PM
Great looking scales.  :tu:

+1 very cool  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on August 25, 2015, 04:35:27 AM
I like the looks of those scales Syph :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Willem85 on August 26, 2015, 03:19:48 PM
Bob,

we had a few email exchanges, but I'm so far off from knowing what I want exactly, I'm not going to further take your time with emails about quotes. I had seen your thread on bladeforums, but only yesterday found this more elaborate one. I went through the last 25 pages and man you are a wizard! I prefer the 93 mm SAK's myself, but everything looks so good.

Anyway, in another thread someone challenged me to do my own mod. So I got the idea to buy a swisschamp and put together several different configurations over the course of a year and see what I really want/need in an EDC.

So to the question: when you make 91 mm SAK's with cellidor scales, do you use the same screw type pivots as on the 93 mm SAK's? Or do you peen them?

Main question is, do you have a source for the bushes? I fear that I might damage them with the drilling.


Totally unrelated question. You said the combo tool is too thin to be a good pry tool. So what's the better pry tool, the 93 mm inline awl or the cap lifter?

Finally, I'd also like to see the bit driver on 93 mm SAK's but without the bit holder. That with the two saws and the pliers in a sheath with a couple of large bit holders, would be nice for when I'm out of office in the field or doing chores at home. So not an EDC, but a small tool chest for when you don't know what the day will bring.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 26, 2015, 05:07:05 PM
Hi, yes I peen the regular cellidor ones and sometimes the bushing do get damaged, or in my case more often lost.  I have hundreds of spares now though from years of taking SAKs apart.  If you need any you are welcome to have some for cost of shipping, which I would think is just the cost of an international letter. 

The 93mm caplifter is for sure the best pry tool of the standard components.  It will bend too, but it takes alot of force.  :D

I have a cybertool bit driver that has no bit holder with it or bits.  I got that from a used CT model ages ago and the driver was the only part worth salvaging.  Id always intended to put that on a 93mm SAK but just never got around to it.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_8835.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on August 26, 2015, 05:22:17 PM
My dream SAK keeps changing but if I had to decide right now, it would be similar to a Swisschamp with added Electrician blade. I've always admired that blade and know I would find it extremely useful. I also have occassion to work in my yard and might benefit from a pruner blade as well. Oh the possibilities  :ahhh :ahhh :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Demel on August 28, 2015, 07:39:26 PM
Question: on a normal scaled 91mm sak, can the inline phillips be opposite side of both the can opener and bottle opener? For example with the explorer removing the mag glass and putting the two openers in its place? I'm sorry if this has been answered already, I think it's been hinted at, but not directly asked. Thanks
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on August 29, 2015, 12:16:01 AM

Question: on a normal scaled 91mm sak, can the inline phillips be opposite side of both the can opener and bottle opener? For example with the explorer removing the mag glass and putting the two openers in its place? I'm sorry if this has been answered already, I think it's been hinted at, but not directly asked. Thanks

No. The springs are different so the possibility will not work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on August 29, 2015, 12:21:15 AM
I admire those who know what their perfect SAK is.  I cannot for the life of me decide either so I carry a Swisschamp as a result  :D.  I love the diamond plate Ti scales  :tu: 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Demel on August 29, 2015, 12:24:15 AM

Question: on a normal scaled 91mm sak, can the inline phillips be opposite side of both the can opener and bottle opener? For example with the explorer removing the mag glass and putting the two openers in its place? I'm sorry if this has been answered already, I think it's been hinted at, but not directly asked. Thanks

No. The springs are different so the possibility will not work.
Thank you that helps alot. :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Demel on August 29, 2015, 12:25:10 AM
I admire those who know what their perfect SAK is.  I cannot for the life of me decide either so I carry a Swisschamp as a result  :D.  I love the diamond plate Ti scales  :tu:
It is a struggle, but that is part of the journey
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Willem85 on August 31, 2015, 09:23:24 AM
So I went through the entire thread for inspiration. I think I know the tool layout, but I got some more questions.

1. Is the cadet nail file usable as a screwdriver? Or is it too weak? Could you shape it like a big version of the classic SD nailfile?
2. Have you ever made a 93 mm with black scales, springs, liners, pivots and screws, but stainless tools? Would love to know if it looks as good as I think.
3. Did I understand correctly that you make the electrician blade yourself? So you could make a regular sheepsfoot.
4. In one post you were contemplating either the large blade serrated, or the small, and the other plain. What did you decide on and why?
5. You showed a graph of Ti color vs voltage. But there was no black in there. How does Fisher make their black Ti bullet pens? Can you make black Ti?

Thanks
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Willem85 on August 31, 2015, 09:40:38 AM
6. Regarding the bit driver in 93mm SAKs, could you make one that fits the bits I already own? Instead of using the Vic bit driver. No bit holder required.
7. What's the maximum number of layers in a 93 mm?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on August 31, 2015, 07:53:37 PM
I believe I just saw that two thin tools opposite the large blade are possible. Would combo tool and 93mm awl be possible to put on the same layer with the main blade? (in that case, I'd have my 'perfect' setup...)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 02, 2015, 04:21:48 AM
5. Ti does not anodize black. The ones fisher does have a special coating added to it. I've tried everything I know and only a couple possibilities work. Have it zirc coated, dlc coated, cerakote. One other method works but that is one I'm still working on ;). Hope Syph doesn't mind me answering that one :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Willem85 on September 02, 2015, 02:01:37 PM
So they cheat. Thanks for answering.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 02, 2015, 03:30:26 PM

1. Is the cadet nail file usable as a screwdriver? Or is it too weak? Could you shape it like a big version of the classic SD nailfile?
I think that would probably work ok.
2. Have you ever made a 93 mm with black scales, springs, liners, pivots and screws, but stainless tools? Would love to know if it looks as good as I think.
Yes I have but cant remember what number build that was.  I have black scales and liners for 91s and 93s.
3. Did I understand correctly that you make the electrician blade yourself? So you could make a regular sheepsfoot.
Ive made some from 91mm main blades, but most of the ones I use are from electricians.
4. In one post you were contemplating either the large blade serrated, or the small, and the other plain. What did you decide on and why?
I would choose large serrated and small plain.  I rarely need a larger blade for normal knife work.  If you need a serrated blade for rope cutting etc, you'd want it big.
5. You showed a graph of Ti color vs voltage. But there was no black in there. How does Fisher make their black Ti bullet pens? Can you make black Ti?
I would bet black DLC.  Thats the best way to make a uniform deep black color.
6. Regarding the bit driver in 93mm SAKs, could you make one that fits the bits I already own? Instead of using the Vic bit driver. No bit holder required.
I am working on making one for 1/4 bits, but there are 2 issues.  its VERY wide, so I think Id do it like the 93mm saks do the marlin spike.  Making the hex cutout is not easily done with tools I have.
7. What's the maximum number of layers in a 93 mm?
There is no limit to the number, but what Ive learned is that if you go thick you need full liners every 4 or so layers to keep the frame strength up.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 02, 2015, 08:31:43 PM
I guess this thread is now mostly my adventures in Ti converted 91s...  :D

I got to tackle a new issue though on this build.  Can the phillisp be put on the back of the dual saw layer.  And yes, yes it can!

I milled some off each side though to thin it down. I kind of looks like a leatherman phillips now.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom459/IMG_8996.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom459/IMG_9002.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom459/IMG_9004.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom459/IMG_9007.jpg)

Snap is good too. I used a piece off a corkscrew as the filler to support the other spring not used by the phillips driver. 

And the rest of the pics...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom459/IMG_8963.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom459/IMG_8981.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom459/IMG_9031.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom459/IMG_9039.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on September 02, 2015, 08:34:39 PM
Thats a cool configuration.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on September 02, 2015, 11:24:48 PM
Pretty sweet mod Syph.

It's basically a Ti Ranger with the Philips in place of the fine driver. Very cool.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on September 03, 2015, 12:36:13 AM
I guess this thread is now mostly my adventures in Ti converted 91s...  :D

I got to tackle a new issue though on this build.  Can the phillisp be put on the back of the dual saw layer.  And yes, yes it can!

I milled some off each side though to thin it down. I kind of looks like a leatherman phillips now.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom459/IMG_9002.jpg)

Fantastic work as always Syph.  :salute:

I think matching the liner cutout to the scale shape at the end would have been a nice visual touch and improved the access.

Ever thought of flattening the pocket clip screws a little?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 03, 2015, 01:02:21 AM
Nice job Syph!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 03, 2015, 01:52:20 AM
Fantastic work as always Syph.  :salute:

I think matching the liner cutout to the scale shape at the end would have been a nice visual touch and improved the access.

Ever thought of flattening the pocket clip screws a little?

Ive never thought much about the screws on the clips, I just use what comes with them. I suppose I could use countersunk flat head type though.

I like the idea of matching the scale shape good call.  It was a bit ad hoc anyhow as I was building it, then realized there was no way to open it, so I had to make that cutout.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 03, 2015, 02:05:51 AM
On the one I've just done, I opened the curve of the liners up slightly so it's accessible from the end, however mine is captive both sides, so opening the corkscrew first doesn't help like it does in this one.

Just as an aside, I've got an old Sheffield knife which has the rebate all the way along to house a corkscrew, phillips, awl, and something else (forgot) :P It kind of makes me wonder if you need any of that liner wall there or if you could open it up to follow the entire scale cut out, not just the end profile (it's the knife that gave me the inspiration to put both c/s and Phillips on my mod)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on September 03, 2015, 03:21:39 AM
Love that latest mod Syph - Brilliant/inspired/fabulous execution as always....
Good ideas from 50 + Z on the liners ....

And will stop the perennial MTo Cs vs Ph arguments - Have both....  :D  :o
This, I believe, is a much better option than the backspring fine screwdriver and chisel  - One of which is redundant, and one pretty much unusable !! .....

So do we now know the mystery tool you were working on? - That we were all going nuts about, a page or so ago...
It's the mid knife backspring Phillips ??

Or is it the bit driver you mention above?....

Or yet another wonder idea???
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on September 03, 2015, 03:26:51 AM
Love that latest mod Syph - Brilliant/inspired/fabulous execution as always....
Good ideas from 50 + Z on the liners ....

And will stop the perennial MTo Cs vs Ph arguments - Have both....  :D  :o
This, I believe, is a much better option than the backspring fine screwdriver and chisel  - One of which is redundant, and one pretty much unusable !! .....

So do we now know the mystery tool you were working on? - That we were all going nuts about, a page or so ago...
It's the mid knife backspring Phillips ??

Or is it the bit driver you mention above?....

Or yet another wonder idea???

That wasn't it, you'll know when you see it.  ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on September 03, 2015, 03:35:38 AM
This, I believe, is a much better option than the backspring fine screwdriver and chisel  - One of which is redundant, and one pretty much unusable !!

Huntsman - I'm curious as to which is which (in your humble opinion of course). I've never had an SAK with either, but always include the technicians driver back tool when thinking about my perfect 91mm (speculating that it will be really handy)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on September 03, 2015, 05:04:49 AM
That wasn't it, you'll know when you see it.  ;)
Oh no more suspense - I can't stand it!!

This, I believe, is a much better option than the backspring fine screwdriver and chisel  - One of which is redundant, and one pretty much unusable !!
Huntsman - I'm curious as to which is which (in your humble opinion of course). I've never had an SAK with either, but always include the technicians driver back tool when thinking about my perfect 91mm (speculating that it will be really handy)

Aha Tommywp - I was wondering if anyone would pick me up on that!!  ;)
As you say this is just MHO - And I don't want to fire up the backtools debate again - They are a little tricky to use - But better to have them, than not - IMHO!!

However to me, the redundant one is the screwdriver - As you pretty much have this SD on the can opener - and it's inline!!

The chisel, to me, is the unusable one - When working with a chisel, you are usually pushing the chisel along some wood and this just does not work for a T-held backtool.
It is supremely sharp! And of course, as with all SAK tools, you can always find a use for them - eg as a small, pointy, cutty, scrapy thing. However these actions can be covered by other tools (eg the awl) - So by that token it is also redundant!!  :o
I just dont think it's a great chisel -  ???
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on September 03, 2015, 06:44:52 AM
I guess this thread is now mostly my adventures in Ti converted 91s...  :D

I got to tackle a new issue though on this build.  Can the phillisp be put on the back of the dual saw layer.  And yes, yes it can!

I milled some off each side though to thin it down. I kind of looks like a leatherman phillips now.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom459/IMG_9002.jpg)

Fantastic work as always Syph.  :salute:

I think matching the liner cutout to the scale shape at the end would have been a nice visual touch and improved the access.

Ever thought of flattening the pocket clip screws a little?
Or... Even more elegant, you could countersink the whole base of the clip and have just the clip itself emerge from the scale, this would also allow the knife to ride deeper in the pocket and eliminate the snagging and the deepest position.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on September 03, 2015, 01:14:14 PM
That wasn't it, you'll know when you see it.  ;)
Oh no more suspense - I can't stand it!!

This, I believe, is a much better option than the backspring fine screwdriver and chisel  - One of which is redundant, and one pretty much unusable !!
Huntsman - I'm curious as to which is which (in your humble opinion of course). I've never had an SAK with either, but always include the technicians driver back tool when thinking about my perfect 91mm (speculating that it will be really handy)

Aha Tommywp - I was wondering if anyone would pick me up on that!!  ;)
As you say this is just MHO - And I don't want to fire up the backtools debate again - They are a little tricky to use - But better to have them, than not - IMHO!!

However to me, the redundant one is the screwdriver - As you pretty much have this SD on the can opener - and it's inline!!

The chisel, to me, is the unusable one - When working with a chisel, you are usually pushing the chisel along some wood and this just does not work for a T-held backtool.
It is supremely sharp! And of course, as with all SAK tools, you can always find a use for them - eg as a small, pointy, cutty, scrapy thing. However these actions can be covered by other tools (eg the awl) - So by that token it is also redundant!!  :o
I just dont think it's a great chisel -  ???

Thanks huntsman. I've hypothesized that the back tool screwdriver would be super useful for recessed screws on toys etc, but I've never proved it for myself. Always interesting to hear others' opinion.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on September 03, 2015, 02:09:11 PM
That wasn't it, you'll know when you see it.  ;)
Oh no more suspense - I can't stand it!!

This, I believe, is a much better option than the backspring fine screwdriver and chisel  - One of which is redundant, and one pretty much unusable !!
Huntsman - I'm curious as to which is which (in your humble opinion of course). I've never had an SAK with either, but always include the technicians driver back tool when thinking about my perfect 91mm (speculating that it will be really handy)

Aha Tommywp - I was wondering if anyone would pick me up on that!!  ;)
As you say this is just MHO - And I don't want to fire up the backtools debate again - They are a little tricky to use - But better to have them, than not - IMHO!!

However to me, the redundant one is the screwdriver - As you pretty much have this SD on the can opener - and it's inline!!

The chisel, to me, is the unusable one - When working with a chisel, you are usually pushing the chisel along some wood and this just does not work for a T-held backtool.
It is supremely sharp! And of course, as with all SAK tools, you can always find a use for them - eg as a small, pointy, cutty, scrapy thing. However these actions can be covered by other tools (eg the awl) - So by that token it is also redundant!!  :o
I just dont think it's a great chisel -  ???

Thanks huntsman. I've hypothesized that the back tool screwdriver would be super useful for recessed screws on toys etc, but I've never proved it for myself. Always interesting to hear others' opinion.

I personally like the back side technician driver. I've used it on smalls recessed screws on kids toys and even as a stand in for a small allen key on bathroom fixtures. The can opener would never have reached due to the curved blade for cutting cans. One of the reasons I made my Troublemaker mod was to include the driver on the backside of the file which you don't get unless you have the saw and file layers together.

I agree that the chisel is next to useless and I've never found a good use for it. Did debate trying to grind it flat to make another flat screwdriver but decided I didn't need it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 03, 2015, 03:38:36 PM
The chisel is an aweful tool, and quite sharp too.  It's opened up my fingers on more than one occasion.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 03, 2015, 09:36:42 PM
An alox mod today! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom461/IMG_9102.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom461/IMG_9118.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom461/IMG_9128.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on September 03, 2015, 09:52:07 PM
Wow........ :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on September 03, 2015, 10:05:15 PM
An alox mod today! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom461/IMG_9102.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom461/IMG_9118.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom461/IMG_9128.jpg)
I got myself an Explorer today, but I was lusting for something like the above. Looks great! What's the turnaround time for a custom job on that level, Syph?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 03, 2015, 10:44:12 PM
An alox mod today! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom461/IMG_9102.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom461/IMG_9118.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom461/IMG_9128.jpg)
I got myself an Explorer today, but I was lusting for something like the above. Looks great! What's the turnaround time for a custom job on that level, Syph?

Oh about a week or two right now if its for something ive got parts for.   Still waiting on black scales to come back from anodize.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on September 03, 2015, 10:48:18 PM
An alox mod today! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom461/IMG_9102.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom461/IMG_9118.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom461/IMG_9128.jpg)
I got myself an Explorer today, but I was lusting for something like the above. Looks great! What's the turnaround time for a custom job on that level, Syph?

Oh about a week or two right now if its for something ive got parts for.   Still waiting on black scales to come back from anodize.

Thank you; I'll email you in the next weeks.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 03, 2015, 10:59:23 PM
An alox mod today! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom461/IMG_9102.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom461/IMG_9118.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom461/IMG_9128.jpg)

Alox Woodsman, so nice.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 09, 2015, 04:13:58 PM
I finally got around to ordering some mokume since Ive got more Ti scale blanks coming in next week for 84, 91 and 93 mm mods with the cross cutout.  I wanted some more options other than brass and aluminum to fill the cross with.

I couldnt decide so I ordered both the classic and white mokume, examples here on the knife scales.  Should look interesting as the cross inlay I think.  :D

(http://www.m3mokume.com/images/M3_Mokumer_2_knives_by_Allen_Elishewitz.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 09, 2015, 04:17:19 PM
Interesting is an understatement I am thinking.

What about a whole scale in Mokume? Now that would be "interesting".
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 09, 2015, 04:30:59 PM
Interesting is an understatement I am thinking.

What about a whole scale in Mokume? Now that would be "interesting".

Too heavy for large SAKs, but for the 58s, for sure.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 09, 2015, 04:32:33 PM
Interesting is an understatement I am thinking.

What about a whole scale in Mokume? Now that would be "interesting".

Too heavy for large SAKs, but for the 58s, for sure.

I EDC a Surge so how heavy are we talking?

A 58 would be nice though with these scales.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 09, 2015, 06:01:54 PM
Looks interesting for sure Syph :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 09, 2015, 10:44:54 PM
Ti Explorer today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom462/IMG_9211.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom462/IMG_9206.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom462/IMG_9198.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on September 09, 2015, 10:49:05 PM
Very nice!!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 09, 2015, 10:55:56 PM
And here is something Ive sure never done before.  A customer sent me 5x 84mm knives and wanted this constructed from the parts.  It took quite the amount of effort to get the tools arranged so that no nail nicks were blocked.  The scissors were also heavily scratched, dull and loose so I took them apart to clean and polish and used a nickel silver rivet to reassemble good as new.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom463/IMG_9136.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom463/IMG_9141.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom463/IMG_9144.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom463/IMG_9166.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom463/IMG_9168.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 09, 2015, 11:09:08 PM
That's an interesting set up Bob  :salute: I know all too well what you mean about the nail nicks  :ahhh you did a great job figuring that one out. Not an easy task to get that right. Did you get this project before or after I was wrestling with the Mega84?  :D

Also, you wouldn't happen to have any spare 84mm bushings would you?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 09, 2015, 11:11:54 PM
That's an interesting set up Bob  :salute: I know all too well what you mean about the nail nicks  :ahhh you did a great job figuring that one out. Not an easy task to get that right. Did you get this project before or after I was wrestling with the Mega84?  :D

Also, you wouldn't happen to have any spare 84mm bushings would you?

I got this one after your mod, but I knew the knives were coming so I was curious to see your mod for sure.

Ive got lots of spare bushings.  They are the same size as the inner 4th pin bushings on 91s.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 09, 2015, 11:14:32 PM
 :tu:

PM on it's way  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 10, 2015, 01:34:52 AM
Nice job Syph :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on September 11, 2015, 11:04:33 PM
Excellent job as always! Interesting tool selection.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: BADSAK on September 12, 2015, 12:58:51 AM
 :think: Hey Syph, can you give us an update on the mystery tool?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 12, 2015, 01:25:16 AM
:think: Hey Syph, can you give us an update on the mystery tool?

Im remaking now from 440c.   Attempt number one was a no go.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 12, 2015, 05:55:51 PM
Two black alox models today.  :D  The bushcrafter has a lockblade.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom465/IMG_9268.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom464/IMG_9237.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom464/IMG_9243.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on September 12, 2015, 06:04:19 PM
 :tu: very nice!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Demel on September 12, 2015, 06:47:42 PM
:drool: I've been thinking about a mod just like the first one. Except in silver alox. Very classy
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: BADSAK on September 12, 2015, 11:12:33 PM
The Bushcrafter is very cool :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on September 13, 2015, 12:40:57 AM
:tu: very nice!
JR

+1  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 13, 2015, 05:13:37 AM
On facebook SB posted a pic of his new prototype scales.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=217987;image)

They look familiar for some reason...   :think:

If you count the number of rows from end to end its 25... crazy coincidence!

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=217944;image)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=217946;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on September 13, 2015, 05:24:57 AM
On facebook SB posted a pic of his new prototype scales.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 13, 2015, 06:18:32 AM
On facebook SB posted a pic of his new prototype scales.

 :facepalm:

Double :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on September 13, 2015, 08:14:03 AM
On facebook SB posted a pic of his new prototype scales.

 :facepalm:

Double :facepalm:

3X  :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on September 13, 2015, 10:15:46 AM
Your implementation of the cross is way way better/superior - In fact very clever
SB's is pretty rubbish - IMHO - Although nice to have the tp.

Anyway - I thought he did not do/approve of mods ??
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on September 13, 2015, 10:43:39 AM
Besides aesthetics, I think the +B ones are glued on or press fitted?
In any way, the alox style with pins through the scales is far superior.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on September 13, 2015, 11:17:10 AM
Good to see you, Crackout!
And  :facepalm: on the SB Syph Knockoff scales.
I´m fine if someone makes their own attempt on Alox scales for 91mm, but it should be visible it is really THEIR OWN attempt, IMHO.
Never mind, if I need an Alox conversion I´ll ask on MTO, we have plenty of original makers/artists here.

And, as Oscar Wilde put it: imitation is the sincerest form of flattery - So someone might have been impressed by your work. Take it as a compliment.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 13, 2015, 03:09:03 PM
Ya I dont care so much really, its just funny to me that he thinks modders are dirty scum, but he can derive 'inspiration' from my work.

Stick on scales arent the way to go for an upgrade anyhow as it doesnt give it the alox look or feel, and you have to keep the outer liners that way.  He also had made 'prototype' scales before that he never actually followed through on, so I'd be very surprised to see these actually produced.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on September 13, 2015, 03:27:20 PM
Ecactly my thoughts, Robert. He has had some nice products over the years, and I found Swissbianco Canada to be a pleasant business partner but what i read from him and about him was not always positive, to say teh least. And I don´t understand his hatred for modders the least.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: JP on September 13, 2015, 03:45:23 PM
Two black alox models today.  :D  The bushcrafter has a lockblade.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom465/IMG_9268.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom464/IMG_9237.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom464/IMG_9243.jpg)
The Bushcrafter looks great. I think I will put an Atwood Flat Wrunt on the split ring.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on September 13, 2015, 04:08:33 PM
Lowtech and Huntsman nailed it with their responses.  The sb scales look "unrefined" vs yours.   
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gadgetman7 on September 13, 2015, 05:58:38 PM
I only have one of Syph's pieces but I have a couple of SB knives. I can definitely say that Syph's pieces are in a different league. The back springs and attention to detail are incredible. I suspect SB hates modders because they undercut his "special" relationship with Victorinox.


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 13, 2015, 06:36:01 PM
I so need one of those black explorers.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on September 14, 2015, 07:07:21 PM
Syph - Two questions about 93mm configurations: Could the hawkbill from a Harvester be put opposite the main blade or would something like a Pruner need to be used (where the hawkbill is already in that spot); are the same backsprings used for the 1.5 layer Phillips/2 opener layer as for seperate Phillips/bottle opener and hawkbill/can opener layers...trying to understand if the difference in width is just the liner.  Thanks man.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 14, 2015, 07:32:37 PM
Syph - Two questions about 93mm configurations: Could the hawkbill from a Harvester be put opposite the main blade or would something like a Pruner need to be used (where the hawkbill is already in that spot); are the same backsprings used for the 1.5 layer Phillips/2 opener layer as for seperate Phillips/bottle opener and hawkbill/can opener layers...trying to understand if the difference in width is just the liner.  Thanks man.

The pruner blade is the same shape in either spot, just slightly bent differently.  I have used them interchangeably with no issues.

The triple tool layer with the phillips uses 2 standard opener layer springs.  The can opener position can be occupied by the can opener, eblade or pruner blade.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on September 14, 2015, 09:10:29 PM
Syph007, is it possible to add a small blade next to the Philips on the triple layer, like the penknife or the pruner?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 14, 2015, 10:32:10 PM
Syph007, is it possible to add a small blade next to the Philips on the triple layer, like the penknife or the pruner?

Not enough room  no. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 16, 2015, 07:36:00 PM
I did so many Ti 91mm mods, I used up the rest of my scales so I got another hunk of Ti cut into parts.

Lots of sizes here...

84mm front, backs, and backs with no cutout.
91mm front, backs, and backs with no cutout.
93mm fronts and backs.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_9397.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on September 16, 2015, 07:57:39 PM
I did so many Ti 91mm mods, I used up the rest of my scales so I got another hunk of Ti cut into parts.

Lots of sizes here...

84mm front, backs, and backs with no cutout.
91mm front, backs, and backs with no cutout.
93mm fronts and backs.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_9397.jpg)

Don't suppose you have some 84mm scissor backsprings coming to go with those 84mm scales?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 16, 2015, 08:15:26 PM
I did so many Ti 91mm mods, I used up the rest of my scales so I got another hunk of Ti cut into parts.

Lots of sizes here...

84mm front, backs, and backs with no cutout.
91mm front, backs, and backs with no cutout.
93mm fronts and backs.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_9397.jpg)

Don't suppose you have some 84mm scissor backsprings coming to go with those 84mm scales?

I actually made the decision to run those when Victorinox said they are going to be doing 93mm with scissors (which I've heard no updates on but I hope they still plan to), so yes its on the list to make but there are a few things ahead of that still that I already have materials for.  20% of the emails I get are from people wanting 84mm mods with scissors... so... I know there is a demand.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: KaySuave on September 17, 2015, 04:50:46 PM
What about demand for the triple tool layer on the 91mm? :whistle:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 17, 2015, 05:39:08 PM
What about demand for the triple tool layer on the 91mm? :whistle:

It would be popular if it was possible.  Cant do it though.

The most popular mod I do those is the super tinker, which is kind of the same tools as that model, but on 91.  I know the backside phillips is a compromise though.

I will probably end up making some wenger style wrenches to pair with the top side phillips as lots of people want inline phillips but not the plastic mag glass.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on September 17, 2015, 07:10:49 PM
What about demand for the triple tool layer on the 91mm? :whistle:

It would be popular if it was possible.  Cant do it though.

The most popular mod I do those is the super tinker, which is kind of the same tools as that model, but on 91.  I know the backside phillips is a compromise though.

I will probably end up making some wenger style wrenches to pair with the top side phillips as lots of people want inline phillips but not the plastic mag glass.
Why not make a metal mag glass?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 18, 2015, 12:53:16 AM
What about demand for the triple tool layer on the 91mm? :whistle:

It would be popular if it was possible.  Cant do it though.

The most popular mod I do those is the super tinker, which is kind of the same tools as that model, but on 91.  I know the backside phillips is a compromise though.

I will probably end up making some wenger style wrenches to pair with the top side phillips as lots of people want inline phillips but not the plastic mag glass.
Why not make a metal mag glass?

Hard to see through!   :whistle:   :rofl:

But yes I will cut some Ti ones for an upgrade option.  I have some Ti being cut in a few weeks that is the right thickness so I'll have some cut then.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 18, 2015, 12:53:50 AM
Aloxplorer!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom467/IMG_9418.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom467/IMG_9404.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on September 18, 2015, 01:05:05 AM
What about demand for the triple tool layer on the 91mm? :whistle:

It would be popular if it was possible.  Cant do it though.

The most popular mod I do those is the super tinker, which is kind of the same tools as that model, but on 91.  I know the backside phillips is a compromise though.

I will probably end up making some wenger style wrenches to pair with the top side phillips as lots of people want inline phillips but not the plastic mag glass.
Why not make a metal mag glass?

Hard to see through!   :whistle:   :rofl:

But yes I will cut some Ti ones for an upgrade option.  I have some Ti being cut in a few weeks that is the right thickness so I'll have some cut then.

 :rofl:

Seriously, I'll be in for a Ti-mag + wrench layer.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on September 18, 2015, 01:05:46 AM
Aloxplorer!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom467/IMG_9418.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom467/IMG_9404.jpg)

Looks like mine!  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on September 18, 2015, 01:07:21 AM
Aloxsome!!!!!!!!! :2tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on September 18, 2015, 01:10:44 AM
Like the way you're going with the custom tools  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 18, 2015, 01:12:17 AM
I put in a full day today and got 3 finished.  This is the second one.  :D 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom468/IMG_9467.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom468/IMG_9439.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom468/IMG_9448.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 18, 2015, 01:23:53 AM
Last one is a Ti 91mm.  Not everyone was a fan of the cross on the front scale so I made some plain ones too.

This is 4mm thinner than a standard compact.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom469/IMG_9480.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom469/IMG_9492.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom469/IMG_9501.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom469/IMG_9511.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 18, 2015, 02:15:17 AM
Nice batch today Syph :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on September 19, 2015, 09:36:59 AM
Last one is a Ti 91mm.  Not everyone was a fan of the cross on the front scale so I made some plain ones too.

This is 4mm thinner than a standard compact.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom469/IMG_9480.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom469/IMG_9492.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom469/IMG_9501.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom469/IMG_9511.jpg)
I guess that in that configuration, with Ti scales, more stable liners, and serious screws, the backside Phillips is able to transfer and survive a lot more torque.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 19, 2015, 04:29:04 PM
Last one is a Ti 91mm.  Not everyone was a fan of the cross on the front scale so I made some plain ones too.

This is 4mm thinner than a standard compact.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom469/IMG_9480.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom469/IMG_9492.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom469/IMG_9501.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom469/IMG_9511.jpg)
I guess that in that configuration, with Ti scales, more stable liners, and serious screws, the backside Phillips is able to transfer and survive a lot more torque.

Great observation, never thought about it.

So Syph is this true?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 19, 2015, 05:03:24 PM
I finally got around to ordering some mokume since Ive got more Ti scale blanks coming in next week for 84, 91 and 93 mm mods with the cross cutout.  I wanted some more options other than brass and aluminum to fill the cross with.

I couldnt decide so I ordered both the classic and white mokume, examples here on the knife scales.  Should look interesting as the cross inlay I think.  :D

(http://www.m3mokume.com/images/M3_Mokumer_2_knives_by_Allen_Elishewitz.jpg)

Well anyone interested in mokume can skip this stuff!  Got it in yesterday expecting you know metal... its not.  Feels like plastic.  So I think if there is any metal content in there its LOW.  Not impressed at all.  Since its not metal it wont flow and I cant use it for inlays.

So I am annoyed and now making my own furnace with a propane torch and blocks and will weld forge some brass / nickel silver myself and see what type of mokume I can come up with. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 20, 2015, 04:57:45 AM
That is a shame. Hope you didn't invest to much into it.

On an unrelated subject, lets say I wanted a Alox SAK modded but instead of the screws you use normally could you peen it? Pretty sure I have seen you dk this before.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 20, 2015, 06:03:20 AM
That is a shame. Hope you didn't invest to much into it.

On an unrelated subject, lets say I wanted a Alox SAK modded but instead of the screws you use normally could you peen it? Pretty sure I have seen you dk this before.

I can do that ya, Im just not an expert at hand rivetting.  I can make work fine, but making the heads look perfect is pretty tough.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 20, 2015, 06:36:32 AM
That is a shame. Hope you didn't invest to much into it.

On an unrelated subject, lets say I wanted a Alox SAK modded but instead of the screws you use normally could you peen it? Pretty sure I have seen you dk this before.

I can do that ya, Im just not an expert at hand rivetting.  I can make work fine, but making the heads look perfect is pretty tough.

No need for perfect.

It is for the OC Pioneer I got from Aloha. It has weak snap and no brass liners. Plan to have it modded a little and brass liners added. Will be a beater patina SAK.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 21, 2015, 08:17:16 PM
I havent done a Ti 93 in awhile, but this one was born today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom471/IMG_9628.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom471/IMG_9634.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom471/IMG_9652.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom471/IMG_9664.jpg)

The trick to making this look good on the back side was to grind the scales, liners and springs all together so they mated up well.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom471/IMG_9570.jpg)

Watch out its sharp!  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom471/IMG_9686.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 21, 2015, 08:50:03 PM
Nice one Syph.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on September 22, 2015, 12:40:47 PM
Nice one Syph.

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+1  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 23, 2015, 12:48:21 AM
Lots of elbow grease went into this hunk of metal...  Brass, copper, Ti and steel.  No plastic....  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom472/IMG_9715.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom472/IMG_9732.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom472/IMG_9737.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom472/IMG_9746.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on September 23, 2015, 01:53:29 AM
Very nice   :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 23, 2015, 05:15:11 AM
What Steve said :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 24, 2015, 11:27:49 PM
What Steve and the other guy said.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on September 25, 2015, 03:42:43 PM
Syph - Two questions about 93mm configurations: Could the hawkbill from a Harvester be put opposite the main blade or would something like a Pruner need to be used (where the hawkbill is already in that spot); are the same backsprings used for the 1.5 layer Phillips/2 opener layer as for seperate Phillips/bottle opener and hawkbill/can opener layers...trying to understand if the difference in width is just the liner.  Thanks man.

The pruner blade is the same shape in either spot, just slightly bent differently.  I have used them interchangeably with no issues.

The triple tool layer with the phillips uses 2 standard opener layer springs.  The can opener position can be occupied by the can opener, eblade or pruner blade.   :tu:

One more question on this...if the inline Phillips is opposite the bottle opener is 1 standard opener layer spring used or something thicker?  Thanks.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 25, 2015, 03:46:57 PM
Syph - Two questions about 93mm configurations: Could the hawkbill from a Harvester be put opposite the main blade or would something like a Pruner need to be used (where the hawkbill is already in that spot); are the same backsprings used for the 1.5 layer Phillips/2 opener layer as for seperate Phillips/bottle opener and hawkbill/can opener layers...trying to understand if the difference in width is just the liner.  Thanks man.

The pruner blade is the same shape in either spot, just slightly bent differently.  I have used them interchangeably with no issues.

The triple tool layer with the phillips uses 2 standard opener layer springs.  The can opener position can be occupied by the can opener, eblade or pruner blade.   :tu:

One more question on this...if the inline Phillips is opposite the bottle opener is 1 standard opener layer spring used or something thicker?  Thanks.

I use a blade layer spring for that.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on September 27, 2015, 09:40:59 PM
There are many nice examples of the two opener tools opposite of the phillips screwdriver in one layer.

Is it also possible to install both the can opener and the cap lifter opposite of the mag glass (on either 91 or 93mm) or is the cap lifter colliding with the mag glass frame?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 28, 2015, 12:38:04 AM
There are many nice examples of the two opener tools opposite of the phillips screwdriver in one layer.

Is it also possible to install both the can opener and the cap lifter opposite of the mag glass (on either 91 or 93mm) or is the cap lifter colliding with the mag glass frame?

Yes its possible but i think i usually had to shorten the mag glass to get it to fit.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 28, 2015, 03:00:39 AM
There are many nice examples of the two opener tools opposite of the phillips screwdriver in one layer.

Is it also possible to install both the can opener and the cap lifter opposite of the mag glass (on either 91 or 93mm) or is the cap lifter colliding with the mag glass frame?

Yes its possible but i think i usually had to shorten the mag glass to get it to fit.

Wait are we saying mag glass will go opposite the double opening layer on a 91mm and fit?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on September 28, 2015, 05:03:51 AM
There are many nice examples of the two opener tools opposite of the phillips screwdriver in one layer.

Is it also possible to install both the can opener and the cap lifter opposite of the mag glass (on either 91 or 93mm) or is the cap lifter colliding with the mag glass frame?

Yes its possible but i think i usually had to shorten the mag glass to get it to fit.

Wait are we saying mag glass will go opposite the double opening layer on a 91mm and fit?
That's what we are trying to establish.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 28, 2015, 05:05:40 AM
There are many nice examples of the two opener tools opposite of the phillips screwdriver in one layer.

Is it also possible to install both the can opener and the cap lifter opposite of the mag glass (on either 91 or 93mm) or is the cap lifter colliding with the mag glass frame?

Yes its possible but i think i usually had to shorten the mag glass to get it to fit.

Wait are we saying mag glass will go opposite the double opening layer on a 91mm and fit?
That's what we are trying to establish.

The 93mm size, not possible at all on the 91.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on September 28, 2015, 06:40:15 AM
There are many nice examples of the two opener tools opposite of the phillips screwdriver in one layer.

Is it also possible to install both the can opener and the cap lifter opposite of the mag glass (on either 91 or 93mm) or is the cap lifter colliding with the mag glass frame?

Yes its possible but i think i usually had to shorten the mag glass to get it to fit.

Wait are we saying mag glass will go opposite the double opening layer on a 91mm and fit?
That's what we are trying to establish.

The 93mm size, not possible at all on the 91.
Cool cool. I'd rather give up the 3D-Phillips than the mag glass, in this hypothetical configuration.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 28, 2015, 07:45:13 PM
There are many nice examples of the two opener tools opposite of the phillips screwdriver in one layer.

Is it also possible to install both the can opener and the cap lifter opposite of the mag glass (on either 91 or 93mm) or is the cap lifter colliding with the mag glass frame?

Yes its possible but i think i usually had to shorten the mag glass to get it to fit.

Wait are we saying mag glass will go opposite the double opening layer on a 91mm and fit?
That's what we are trying to establish.

The 93mm size, not possible at all on the 91.

Dang ok so the struggle continues.

Did you ever figure out a way to carry bits on a 93mm for the CT driver Robert?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 28, 2015, 09:21:19 PM
There are many nice examples of the two opener tools opposite of the phillips screwdriver in one layer.

Is it also possible to install both the can opener and the cap lifter opposite of the mag glass (on either 91 or 93mm) or is the cap lifter colliding with the mag glass frame?

Yes its possible but i think i usually had to shorten the mag glass to get it to fit.

Wait are we saying mag glass will go opposite the double opening layer on a 91mm and fit?
That's what we are trying to establish.

The 93mm size, not possible at all on the 91.

Dang ok so the struggle continues.

Did you ever figure out a way to carry bits on a 93mm for the CT driver Robert?

So far no.  But I still havent even put a CT driver on a 93.  :D

Todays project more Ti 91.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom475/IMG_9915.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom475/IMG_9917.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom475/IMG_9924.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom475/IMG_9928.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom475/IMG_9931.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom475/IMG_9936.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 30, 2015, 12:21:57 AM
My first 84mm Ti mod! :D  And I did the model everyone asks about, bantam + scissors.

I started out I was going to just do a bantam + scissors, but then figured I might as well add the backside phillips as well.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom477/IMG_9967.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom477/IMG_9974.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom477/IMG_9980.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom477/IMG_9987.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom477/IMG_9990.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom477/IMG_9997.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom477/IMG_9998.jpg)

Size compared to a standard 91mm

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom477/IMG_9999.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 30, 2015, 12:50:16 AM
So much win.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on September 30, 2015, 01:06:25 AM
Very nice basic SAK for the minimalist type :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on September 30, 2015, 02:04:06 AM
Those screws look real nice on the custom 84mm scales. Any problem sinking them, like on the 84mm Alox?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 30, 2015, 02:52:48 AM
Those screws look real nice on the custom 84mm scales. Any problem sinking them, like on the 84mm Alox?

These scales are thicker than the 84 alox, so not a problem at all.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gadgetman7 on September 30, 2015, 12:10:49 PM
Too bad you're not Swiss. Victorinox could definitely use you.


Sent from Tracy Island
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 30, 2015, 04:08:08 PM
Too bad you're not Swiss. Victorinox could definitely use you.


Sent from Tracy Island

He is from Canada isn't that pretty much the same thing?  :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 30, 2015, 06:56:59 PM
Too bad you're not Swiss. Victorinox could definitely use you.


Sent from Tracy Island

He is from Canada isn't that pretty much the same thing?  :pok:

I could be their Canadian Branch! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 01, 2015, 02:13:47 AM
Too bad you're not Swiss. Victorinox could definitely use you.


Sent from Tracy Island

He is from Canada isn't that pretty much the same thing?  :pok:

I could be their Canadian Branch! :D

It cos he like Apple and Microsoft, Syph vs SwissBianco.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 01, 2015, 07:32:34 PM
Parts are in! :D  The scale wrench is rev. 3. 

I didnt bother to show the first 2 versions as they had some funny design flaws that didnt occur to me until I tried to use them.  I'll explain in a later post, but this version works great.  One side is to tighten, other to loosen.  Normally a OPT wrench only needs one, but you can flip a normal OPT to use either side, cant do that with a scale mounted to a SAK.  :D  So yes ver 1 could only loosen bolts night tighten....

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0085.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0076.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0078.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on October 01, 2015, 07:53:12 PM
:drool:

Talk about setting the bar higher...

:tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on October 01, 2015, 07:57:03 PM
Freakin' awesome!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on October 01, 2015, 08:05:27 PM
Wow. Are the wrench scales 91 or 93?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on October 01, 2015, 08:10:50 PM
Those mag glass holders look great!  Are they friction fit or epoxied?

The wrenches and scales look super cool too.  The incorporated bit driver on the side is an interesting idea.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on October 01, 2015, 08:13:47 PM
Man Syph, cool new parts, especially the mag glass :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 01, 2015, 08:14:18 PM
Those mag glass holders look great!  Are they friction fit or epoxied?

The wrenches and scales look super cool too.  The incorporated bit driver on the side is an interesting idea.

I think I will have to epoxy the lenses in, unless I can work out a rubber gasket or something similar.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on October 01, 2015, 08:29:17 PM
I think I will have to epoxy the lenses in, unless I can work out a rubber gasket or something similar.

A gasket could work.  There are probably Viton o-rings or something already in that size.  For a different design, it would take some work, but maybe a small twist lock type of outer ring?  Although, that does add to the complexity of the piece.  Possibly a snap ring retainer?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on October 01, 2015, 08:31:24 PM
Parts are in! :D  The scale wrench is rev. 3. 

I didnt bother to show the first 2 versions as they had some funny design flaws that didnt occur to me until I tried to use them.  I'll explain in a later post, but this version works great.  One side is to tighten, other to loosen.  Normally a OPT wrench only needs one, but you can flip a normal OPT to use either side, cant do that with a scale mounted to a SAK.  :D  So yes ver 1 could only loosen bolts night tighten....

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0085.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0076.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0078.jpg)
Yes! Potential Yeoman mod: mag glass and wrench on one layer and the Phillips as a back tool.

Great job, Bob!

...as for the scale wrench... Why not make it symmetrical with 'steps' on both sides?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 01, 2015, 10:44:55 PM
Parts are in! :D  The scale wrench is rev. 3. 

I didnt bother to show the first 2 versions as they had some funny design flaws that didnt occur to me until I tried to use them.  I'll explain in a later post, but this version works great.  One side is to tighten, other to loosen.  Normally a OPT wrench only needs one, but you can flip a normal OPT to use either side, cant do that with a scale mounted to a SAK.  :D  So yes ver 1 could only loosen bolts night tighten....

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0085.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0076.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/IMG_0078.jpg)
Yes! Potential Yeoman mod: mag glass and wrench on one layer and the Phillips as a back tool.

Great job, Bob!

...as for the scale wrench... Why not make it symmetrical with 'steps' on both sides?

That was ver 2.  It didnt work, not enough surface contact and it slipped out.  Here is what that one looked like. 

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=244947;image)

Ver 3 I just did a regular bump pattern and it fits all the imperial and metric bolts Ive tried so far.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 01, 2015, 10:48:31 PM
And this was ver 1. 

At least 3rd times a charm! :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=244949;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on October 02, 2015, 12:06:10 AM
Wow. Are the wrench scales 91 or 93?

Looks like 93mm to me :think:

I too would like confirmation as this puts a custom SAK much closer to the top of my 'spend money on it' list.

I'd also like to know if the double opener would fit across from the wrench...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 02, 2015, 12:24:03 AM
Wow. Are the wrench scales 91 or 93?

Looks like 93mm to me :think:

I too would like confirmation as this puts a custom SAK much closer to the top of my 'spend money on it' list.

I'd also like to know if the double opener would fit across from the wrench...

93 ya.  I'll have something like this for 91s too though in 3-4 weeks.  Its parts making month.  :D  I still got a few other coming in too.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 02, 2015, 12:25:28 AM
Heres today's work.  A 91mm compact that I left a brushed style finish on.  This has Aluminum cross as well.  It actually leaves a decent contrast on the bare Ti.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom478/IMG_0023.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom478/IMG_0037.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom478/IMG_0040.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom478/IMG_0050.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom478/IMG_0055.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom478/IMG_0095.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom478/IMG_0106.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom478/IMG_0137.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on October 02, 2015, 01:18:52 AM
Questions about the new wrench piece.

1. Will it fit on the same layer as the double opener (can and bottle)?
2. Will the philips fit across from it?

Both assume the 93mm frame.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on October 02, 2015, 06:04:14 AM
Now, for the version with inline wrench as a layer tool, one could make a scale that has just the bit cut-out, in place of the cross...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lichan on October 02, 2015, 06:29:00 PM
Wow! I can now say that SAK stands for Syph Army Knife.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on October 02, 2015, 08:07:36 PM
Wow! I can now say that SAK stands for Syph Army Knife.

You are brilliant sir!!!  :salute: 

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 03, 2015, 02:38:40 PM
Questions about the new wrench piece.

1. Will it fit on the same layer as the double opener (can and bottle)?
2. Will the philips fit across from it?

Both assume the 93mm frame.

I have to get one prepped then I can test it.  I tested the fit of the wrench area on teh scales and those work perfect.  I have a set tumbling right now.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on October 03, 2015, 03:42:40 PM
Questions about the new wrench piece.

1. Will it fit on the same layer as the double opener (can and bottle)?
2. Will the philips fit across from it?

Both assume the 93mm frame.

I have to get one prepped then I can test it.  I tested the fit of the wrench area on teh scales and those work perfect.  I have a set tumbling right now.  :D
:popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on October 03, 2015, 03:43:44 PM
REALLY hope that mag glass and wrench go together on an 91.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 03, 2015, 04:08:12 PM
In first as a test pilot for the new stuff.

It's a dirty job but someone has to do it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 03, 2015, 06:24:03 PM
Oh yes they are looking good.  :D  The 1/4 inch bit holder is perfect.  Its slightly tapered and retains the bit perfectly.  It does not fall out at all.  :D


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/scalewrench/IMG_0145.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/scalewrench/IMG_0151.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/scalewrench/IMG_0154.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/scalewrench/IMG_0158.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/scalewrench/IMG_0159.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/scalewrench/IMG_0164.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/parts/scalewrench/IMG_0170.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 03, 2015, 06:31:04 PM
These are 93mm scales right?

If you were to carry some bits you would not even need the inline phillips. Would make for some interesting tool combos.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 03, 2015, 06:32:41 PM
These are 93mm scales right?

If you were to carry some bits you would not even need the inline phillips. Would make for some interesting tool combos.

Yep 93.  I will have scale options with this type of thing for all sizes though.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 03, 2015, 06:35:01 PM
These are 93mm scales right?

If you were to carry some bits you would not even need the inline phillips. Would make for some interesting tool combos.

Yep 93.  I will have scale options with this type of thing for all sizes though.

Have any issues with bolts slipping or being rounded off?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 03, 2015, 06:42:27 PM
These are 93mm scales right?

If you were to carry some bits you would not even need the inline phillips. Would make for some interesting tool combos.

Yep 93.  I will have scale options with this type of thing for all sizes though.

Have any issues with bolts slipping or being rounded off?

In the 5 minutes Ive test this, zero issues! :D

Its pretty solid, I'll give one an abuse test though.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on October 03, 2015, 08:18:05 PM
These are 93mm scales right?

If you were to carry some bits you would not even need the inline phillips. Would make for some interesting tool combos.

Yep 93.  I will have scale options with this type of thing for all sizes though.

Have any issues with bolts slipping or being rounded off?

In the 5 minutes Ive test this, zero issues! :D

Its pretty solid, I'll give one an abuse test though.
The scale material is Ti?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 03, 2015, 08:56:23 PM
Yep Ti-6-4.  Steel would be way too heavy.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 03, 2015, 11:39:36 PM
These are 93mm scales right?

If you were to carry some bits you would not even need the inline phillips. Would make for some interesting tool combos.

Yep 93.  I will have scale options with this type of thing for all sizes though.

Have any issues with bolts slipping or being rounded off?

In the 5 minutes Ive test this, zero issues! :D

Its pretty solid, I'll give one an abuse test though.

Sorry I already called dibs on being the test pilot.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on October 04, 2015, 05:01:02 AM
Damn beat to the Ti 84mm. Eh well. I have one in the mill so I guess it will be the first one for me :P
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 04, 2015, 05:45:31 AM
Damn beat to the Ti 84mm. Eh well. I have one in the mill so I guess it will be the first one for me :P

Nice.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 06, 2015, 12:06:35 AM
This thing is COOL :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom480/IMG_0210.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom480/IMG_0194.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom480/IMG_0198.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom480/IMG_0207.jpg)

The wrenches work great! One side is to turn counterclockwise, the other clockwise. I put that scale as the front to keep the blade layer from damage. Also the cap lifter works great to retain the 1/4 bit for bits that are slightly on the thin side and want to fall out.  Id like to pretend that was by design, but its just a very happy coincidence.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom480/IMG_0216.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom480/IMG_0227.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom480/IMG_0229.jpg)

:D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Demel on October 06, 2015, 12:37:38 AM
Wow that is awesome. :drool: will there be some type of marking to know which side is which?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on October 06, 2015, 12:51:39 AM
Send it to me for through testing
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on October 06, 2015, 12:58:37 AM
It's like a functional skeletonization, works well and looks really cool. 

My questions for you are:   Are you still cutting the crosses by hand or are they wjc in small batches and you just finish them for a snug fit?
                                        Do the scales need any machining? They look a little tumbled.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 06, 2015, 01:56:07 AM
It's like a functional skeletonization, works well and looks really cool. 

My questions for you are:   Are you still cutting the crosses by hand or are they wjc in small batches and you just finish them for a snug fit?
                                        Do the scales need any machining? They look a little tumbled.

The scales are tumbled ya.  I thought people would want anodized finishes.. turns out 90% of people prefer the matte gray natural finish.  Overnight tumbling with cermic pyramids are what Ive been doing.  I do however hand sand the surfaces and edges otherwise they wouldnt turn out as smooth looking.

I do still cut the brass/copper crosses by hand to fit, but my technique has improved both on quality and speed.  I can cut and fit one in about 15 minutes now.  First try was 2 hours... but I had to make some spcial square punches to peen them from the backside.

Jewelers sawing is also very relaxing.   I learned from this video.  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqikSp-yeRA
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on October 06, 2015, 02:23:41 AM
       

The scales are tumbled ya.  I thought people would want anodized finishes.. turns out 90% of people prefer the matte gray natural finish.  Overnight tumbling with cermic pyramids are what Ive been doing.  I do however hand sand the surfaces and edges otherwise they wouldnt turn out as smooth looking.

I do still cut the brass/copper crosses by hand to fit, but my technique has improved both on quality and speed.  I can cut and fit one in about 15 minutes now.  First try was 2 hours... but I had to make some spcial square punches to peen them from the backside.

Jewelers sawing is also very relaxing.   I learned from this video.  :D


Will take a look at the video later, but thanks for the link.

I find interesting that folks don't want ano, one of the main + point in using Ti IMO is that it seems easier than Al to color. ??? Perhaps is just me.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 06, 2015, 02:36:06 AM
Send it to me for through testing

I already interviewed for the position.

Syphilis does the layer behind the bolt wrench thing matter? Like as a backstop.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: detron on October 06, 2015, 02:51:52 AM
Send it to me for through testing

I already interviewed for the position.

Syphilis does the layer behind the bolt wrench thing matter? Like as a backstop.

 :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: willfcc on October 06, 2015, 02:52:42 AM
ABC might be re-making MacGyver. He's gonna need a Syph custom.


Will
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 06, 2015, 03:05:31 AM
Send it to me for through testing

I already interviewed for the position.

Syphilis does the layer behind the bolt wrench thing matter? Like as a backstop.

Lol

Naw i had it on the back first then realized the blade would get trashed.  If it had a full liner though that could solve that.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on October 06, 2015, 03:32:51 AM

Send it to me for through testing

I already interviewed for the position.

Syphilis does the layer behind the bolt wrench thing matter? Like as a backstop.

 :rofl:
+1 hahaha
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 06, 2015, 05:48:29 AM

Send it to me for through testing

I already interviewed for the position.

Syphilis does the layer behind the bolt wrench thing matter? Like as a backstop.

 :rofl:
+1 hahaha

Lol, stupid phone.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 06, 2015, 03:46:59 PM

Send it to me for through testing

I already interviewed for the position.

Syphilis does the layer behind the bolt wrench thing matter? Like as a backstop.

 :rofl:
+1 hahaha

Lol, stupid phone.

The autocorrect probably picked up that word, maybe you were communicating with your doctor alot?  :D

Wow that is awesome. :drool: will there be some type of marking to know which side is which?

Yes ideally I would like to have markings but a laser engraver is out of my price range, so Im not sure what to do.  I have hand stamps of letters and numbers and thats about all I can think of. 

So I'll put a C for counterclockwise and a C for clockwise that should help!   :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on October 06, 2015, 04:14:36 PM
How about a + and - stamp ?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on October 06, 2015, 05:02:27 PM
Could pick up an arrow metal stamp to indicate direction of rotation.  Would stamping displace too much metal or deform the scale too much?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on October 06, 2015, 05:12:46 PM
This thing is COOL :D

(...)
The wrenches work great! One side is to turn counterclockwise, the other clockwise. I put that scale as the front to keep the blade layer from damage. Also the cap lifter works great to retain the 1/4 bit for bits that are slightly on the thin side and want to fall out.  Id like to pretend that was by design, but its just a very happy coincidence.

(...)

Do you really need two sets of wrenches? Can't just one be enough? If so, you could use the other to have either other sizes (metric/imperial) or different tools (O2 key, for instance).

 :think: :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on October 06, 2015, 06:42:30 PM
Do you really need two sets of wrenches? Can't just one be enough? If so, you could use the other to have either other sizes (metric/imperial) or different tools (O2 key, for instance).

 :think: :think:
I think that if you were to use the same wrench clock and counter clock, the bolt/nut would tend to slip out of the cut out depending on the orientation (I could be terribly wrong, so don't take my word for it). If you look at the Wenger inline, you need to turn the tool the other way around in order to loosen/tighten.

BTW why not stamp, L and T?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 06, 2015, 06:54:41 PM
Do you really need two sets of wrenches? Can't just one be enough? If so, you could use the other to have either other sizes (metric/imperial) or different tools (O2 key, for instance).

 :think: :think:
I think that if you were to use the same wrench clock and counter clock, the bolt/nut would tend to slip out of the cut out depending on the orientation (I could be terribly wrong, so don't take my word for it). If you look at the Wenger inline, you need to turn the tool the other way around in order to loosen/tighten.

BTW why not stamp, L and T?

I looked and only have letters so L and T would work.   :tu:

Yes my ver 1 had only 1 wrench, i went to use it and realized it could only loosen not tighten.  Rev 2 changed the teeth to be on both sides.. that was worse and worked for neither, so I settled on thsi version.  If it was a one piece tool you could just flip it over to change, but its attached to a SAK, so not possible.  :D

There is a way to make one that would do both but the wrench ends up being 2.5 times as long, so this was the best compromise I could come up with and keep it pretty universal.  The teeth work on all the imperial and metric nuts I tested on.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sf_duke on October 06, 2015, 07:42:15 PM
Save me two of the mag glass.  I need to upgrade my Syph mods with them. :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 07, 2015, 04:49:59 AM

Send it to me for through testing

I already interviewed for the position.

Syphilis does the layer behind the bolt wrench thing matter? Like as a backstop.

 :rofl:
+1 hahaha

Lol, stupid phone.

The autocorrect probably picked up that word, maybe you were communicating with your doctor alot?  :D


Don't you judge me.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on October 07, 2015, 05:01:41 AM
Harley mate - This is a bit of a dubious call   ???

.....
Don't you judge me.

..... I think you started the name calling / accusations .....  :D :o

Syphilis does the layer behind the bolt wrench thing matter? Like as a backstop.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on October 07, 2015, 08:49:00 PM
Rofl ^^^
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 07, 2015, 08:54:11 PM
Harley mate - This is a bit of a dubious call   ???

.....
Don't you judge me.

..... I think you started the name calling / accusations .....  :D :o

Syphilis does the layer behind the bolt wrench thing matter? Like as a backstop.

Can't argue that logic.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lichan on October 08, 2015, 06:01:45 PM
Syph, I don't know the specifics of copyright law but i would put a "c" inside a circle with 2015 on this. These scales are going to start showing up on Chinese knives in about 4 days! Imitation is the sincerest form of intellectual property theft!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 08, 2015, 07:31:53 PM
Syph, I don't know the specifics of copyright law but i would put a "c" inside a circle with 2015 on this. These scales are going to start showing up on Chinese knives in about 4 days! Imitation is the sincerest form of intellectual property theft!

LOL good idea.  :D

I dont think the chinese copiers worry about following the rules though.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 08, 2015, 07:32:57 PM
I think since alot of people dont care for the can opener, this should be the new standard 3 layer model.  Stop thinking of the opener layer as the opener layer, but instead the driver layer and move it to the middle.  Works great. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom481/IMG_0248.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom481/IMG_0261.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom481/IMG_0265.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom481/IMG_0270.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom481/IMG_0287.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 08, 2015, 07:35:01 PM
I am so very tempted to have you do this to my Black 93mm.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Flint Hills on October 08, 2015, 08:45:03 PM
Syph, which do you think is a better setup, the two opener springs with the openers opposite the 3d Phillips or single spring with bottle opener opposite 3d Phillips? I'm thinking of trying to do this myself as my first real mod, which one is easiest to get to work out?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 08, 2015, 08:57:50 PM
Syph, which do you think is a better setup, the two opener springs with the openers opposite the 3d Phillips or single spring with bottle opener opposite 3d Phillips? I'm thinking of trying to do this myself as my first real mod, which one is easiest to get to work out?

The dual opener springs mod is easier as you dont have to alter the springs at all.  For the phillips / bottle opener one you use a single blade spring, but you have to alter one end to be the same shape as the opener layer end that is used on the bottle opener.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Flint Hills on October 09, 2015, 02:13:17 AM
Syph, which do you think is a better setup, the two opener springs with the openers opposite the 3d Phillips or single spring with bottle opener opposite 3d Phillips? I'm thinking of trying to do this myself as my first real mod, which one is easiest to get to work out?

The dual opener springs mod is easier as you dont have to alter the springs at all.  For the phillips / bottle opener one you use a single blade spring, but you have to alter one end to be the same shape as the opener layer end that is used on the bottle opener.

Thanks so much, I will probably have more questions once I get into it, lol!  I think I am going to go for a small pen blade in place of the can opener if that will work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: willfcc on October 09, 2015, 02:47:15 AM
Syph, will the Phillips/bottle opener layer work on 91mm SAKs?


Will
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gadgetman7 on October 09, 2015, 05:24:15 AM
If you're making custom pieces anyway could make a layer with a true 1/4" driver? Might be a bit wide but seems like it would leave room for a bit holder. Watching this progression it almost seems as though these aren't really Vic models anymore. More of a true custom.


Sent from Tracy Island
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on October 09, 2015, 01:09:48 PM
Syph, will the Phillips/bottle opener layer work on 91mm SAKs?


Will

This gets asked a lot (I know because I asked it once ::)).

The philips/opener layer arrangement doesn't work on the 91mm frame.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on October 09, 2015, 03:15:46 PM
Syph - now that you're making parts, which is awesome, would it be possible to make a 91mm back spring for a Phillips/opener layer? Bet it would be popular.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 09, 2015, 03:22:27 PM
Syph - now that you're making parts, which is awesome, would it be possible to make a 91mm back spring for a Phillips/opener layer? Bet it would be popular.

It isn't the spring that is the issue, there is not enough room. The parts hit one another.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on October 09, 2015, 04:00:50 PM
Syph - now that you're making parts, which is awesome, would it be possible to make a 91mm back spring for a Phillips/opener layer? Bet it would be popular.

It isn't the spring that is the issue, there is not enough room. The parts hit one another.

Ahhhh. I see.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on October 09, 2015, 04:59:16 PM
I think since alot of people dont care for the can opener, this should be the new standard 3 layer model.  Stop thinking of the opener layer as the opener layer, but instead the driver layer and move it to the middle.  Works great. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom481/IMG_0261.jpg)


The two openers fit the philips screwdriver width, right? I've seen this in other mods from you. Why not use a modded can opener turned medium sized flat screwdriver? Or a second bottle opener, with a smaller tip and maybe the inside curve sharpened to use as a shell package opener?...

:think: :think:

It's my OCD speaking, hate to see unused spaces in there...
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 09, 2015, 08:59:18 PM
I think since alot of people dont care for the can opener, this should be the new standard 3 layer model.  Stop thinking of the opener layer as the opener layer, but instead the driver layer and move it to the middle.  Works great. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom481/IMG_0261.jpg)


The two openers fit the philips screwdriver width, right? I've seen this in other mods from you. Why not use a modded can opener turned medium sized flat screwdriver? Or a second bottle opener, with a smaller tip and maybe the inside curve sharpened to use as a shell package opener?...

:think: :think:

It's my OCD speaking, hate to see unused spaces in there...
 :facepalm:

I am sure Syph will be along to answer this but for now the reason just the one bottle opener is used has to do with the fact it is a little narrower because only one back spring is used. Unlike the double opener across from the inline phillips which uses two.

So it not really that much unused space.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 09, 2015, 09:06:50 PM
The amount of unused space in the dual spring mod, that is the space on either side of the phillips is 0.060" not enough to fit another tool in there.  And the benefit of that mod is that extra space is used up by the lugs on the phillips and it prevents them from hitting things like the scales.

The washer needed with the bottle opener is 0.020" to make it thick enough to be the same as the phillips in the one blade spring mod.   This is the nicest setup if you dont need a can opener.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on October 09, 2015, 10:43:43 PM
I think since alot of people dont care for the can opener, this should be the new standard 3 layer model.  Stop thinking of the opener layer as the opener layer, but instead the driver layer and move it to the middle.  Works great. :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom481/IMG_0248.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom481/IMG_0261.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom481/IMG_0265.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom481/IMG_0270.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom481/IMG_0287.jpg)

Perfect   :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 15, 2015, 06:07:02 PM
I built another Ti 84mm mod.  :D These things are pretty sweet, but man they do take alot more hours to build than the equivalent 91mm versions.  That is one reason I stopped doing them before as it didnt make sense to me to make something smaller that ended up costing more...

I do see the appeal though very pocketable size with great functionality.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom484/IMG_0453.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom484/IMG_0433.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom484/IMG_0440.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom484/IMG_0444.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom484/IMG_0449.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fast Bill on October 15, 2015, 06:40:43 PM
Lovely 84mm there Syph. Might be more trouble and cost but the 84mm is a really convenient SAK for those of us that spend a lot of time driving a desk and don't want to cause a quiet moment in meetings by fiddling with a 111m when they get boring .... :whistle:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: BADSAK on October 17, 2015, 06:02:56 PM
To spice things up I have a new tool layer coming out for 91/93 size that is a drop in replacement for the saw (uses saw backspring).  Its being waterjet right now....  any guesses?  Its one tool but I did up 3 versions of it since I couldnt decide what I liked best.  Its been on my list of requested tools for some time now.

Did I miss the debut? Lots of nice mods lately, not sure if this was one of them.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 17, 2015, 06:49:21 PM
To spice things up I have a new tool layer coming out for 91/93 size that is a drop in replacement for the saw (uses saw backspring).  Its being waterjet right now....  any guesses?  Its one tool but I did up 3 versions of it since I couldnt decide what I liked best.  Its been on my list of requested tools for some time now.

Did I miss the debut? Lots of nice mods lately, not sure if this was one of them.

A version of it is on the donation giveaway for this month.  The marlin spike.  I have 3 different versions though being made now from 440C. 

The nice thing is it will work as a direct drop in replacement for a wood saw on any 91mm or 93mm SAK.  So.. if someone wants a marlin spike user model, then can have one affordably.  Right now marlin spike alox models are expensive.  But, if you could buy a standard cellidor huntsman and swap the saw for marlin spike you can have a spike to actually use.  :D  I would have no problem selling the parts to people who wanted to do their own swap as well, as its just a matter of repinning one rivet.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on October 17, 2015, 06:57:25 PM
Marlin spike? Part for sale? Sign me up for a couple when they arrive! :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: BADSAK on October 17, 2015, 07:12:43 PM
Awesome, I envision a Bushcrafter with a locking blade and marlin spike in my future!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Flint Hills on October 18, 2015, 04:57:19 AM
I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way, because I genuinely would like to know. What would you use a marlin spike for?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: detron on October 18, 2015, 05:56:20 AM
I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way, because I genuinely would like to know. What would you use a marlin spike for?

I use them for working with paracord myself.  they are great for that.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: BADSAK on October 18, 2015, 03:01:18 PM
I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way, because I genuinely would like to know. What would you use a marlin spike for?

I use them for working with paracord myself.  they are great for that.

That's what I was thinking, I have been using a tool for lacing baseball gloves.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: alexTOOL on October 19, 2015, 09:49:56 AM
I built another Ti 84mm mod.  :D These things are pretty sweet, but man they do take alot more hours to build than the equivalent 91mm versions.  That is one reason I stopped doing them before as it didnt make sense to me to make something smaller that ended up costing more...

I do see the appeal though very pocketable size with great functionality.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom484/IMG_0453.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom484/IMG_0433.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom484/IMG_0440.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom484/IMG_0444.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom484/IMG_0449.jpg)

Is it for sale???

How much would it cost???

And in an alox version...???

Thanks

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 19, 2015, 08:55:42 PM
I built another Ti 84mm mod.  :D These things are pretty sweet, but man they do take alot more hours to build than the equivalent 91mm versions.  That is one reason I stopped doing them before as it didnt make sense to me to make something smaller that ended up costing more...

I do see the appeal though very pocketable size with great functionality.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom484/IMG_0453.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom484/IMG_0433.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom484/IMG_0440.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom484/IMG_0444.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom484/IMG_0449.jpg)

Is it for sale???

How much would it cost???

And in an alox version...???

Thanks

Those are alot of work to build.  :D Ive build and sold 2 so far and I really need to make some custom backsprings to make the job easier.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 19, 2015, 08:57:36 PM
I was challenged to build a simple bladeless alox mod but with keyring attachment.  I ended up milling out some of the backspring to make a recess for the attachment point and that worked out ok.  Normally that part belongs in the blade layer so having a bladeless mod makes adding the keyring more challenging.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom487/IMG_0515.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom487/IMG_0519.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom487/IMG_0523.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom487/IMG_0534.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom487/IMG_0547.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom487/IMG_0556.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 20, 2015, 07:47:05 PM
This one is a pretty unique configuration.  Not bladeless, but missing large blade.  I had to make a bit of a recess on the pliers body to allow access to the small blade, but it worked out ok.  :D

This has 4 washers in there of all different thickness to get the tools to have the right fit.  0.015, 0.020, 0.032, 0.040.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom488/IMG_0562.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom488/IMG_0568.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom488/IMG_0575.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom488/IMG_0579.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on October 20, 2015, 07:55:49 PM
Wow!!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 20, 2015, 09:22:42 PM
Another beauty! Good job :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on October 20, 2015, 10:14:10 PM
Love that configuration.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: alexTOOL on October 21, 2015, 12:54:57 AM
This one is a pretty unique configuration.  Not bladeless, but missing large blade.  I had to make a bit of a recess on the pliers body to allow access to the small blade, but it worked out ok.  :D

This has 4 washers in there of all different thickness to get the tools to have the right fit.  0.015, 0.020, 0.032, 0.040.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom488/IMG_0562.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom488/IMG_0568.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom488/IMG_0575.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom488/IMG_0579.jpg)

Very nice!!!  :tu:

Combo tool instead bottle opener would be possible in this configuration???  :think:
It would be more polivalent 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 21, 2015, 01:59:37 AM
This one is a pretty unique configuration.  Not bladeless, but missing large blade.  I had to make a bit of a recess on the pliers body to allow access to the small blade, but it worked out ok.  :D

This has 4 washers in there of all different thickness to get the tools to have the right fit.  0.015, 0.020, 0.032, 0.040.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom488/IMG_0562.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom488/IMG_0568.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom488/IMG_0575.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom488/IMG_0579.jpg)

Very nice!!!  :tu:

Combo tool instead bottle opener would be possible in this configuration???  :think:
It would be more polivalent

The combo doesnt team up well with other tools as its nail nick is on the same side as the small blades, but it might be possible if on tool was altered to sit a bit higher or lower.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 21, 2015, 04:01:24 PM
This one is a pretty unique configuration.  Not bladeless, but missing large blade.  I had to make a bit of a recess on the pliers body to allow access to the small blade, but it worked out ok.  :D

This has 4 washers in there of all different thickness to get the tools to have the right fit.  0.015, 0.020, 0.032, 0.040.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom488/IMG_0562.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom488/IMG_0568.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom488/IMG_0575.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom488/IMG_0579.jpg)

What a great little tool to pair up with a full sized folder.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on October 21, 2015, 04:53:50 PM
Some pretty interesting configurations. I dig the diversity of peoples needs and wants.  Great looks tools and awesome work as always. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 21, 2015, 05:05:30 PM
Some pretty interesting configurations. I dig the diversity of peoples needs and wants.  Great looks tools and awesome work as always.

Ya its interesting to have customers drive the configurations by telling me what they need and asking if can I do it.  Unless its completely crazy I like to figure out some way to get it done.  I would for sure not have come up with some of these configurations if I wasnt asked to.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 22, 2015, 08:59:06 PM
Back to Ti work today.  Super tinker with tweezers.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom489/IMG_0589.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom489/IMG_0604.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom489/IMG_0607.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom489/IMG_0612.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom489/IMG_0622.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: alexTOOL on October 23, 2015, 12:06:09 AM
Do you work again with 84 mm size or only for you!!!  :pok:

Thanks!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 23, 2015, 12:41:40 AM
Do you work again with 84 mm size or only for you!!!  :pok:

Thanks!  :tu:

Ive got a few parts left for 84s yep.  The problem is most people wants scissor and that mod is not the easiest to do.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 23, 2015, 08:23:24 PM
I made up a batch of Ti liners for 91s, and finally got around to using some. I tumbled them with the scales so they all had the same finish.  I even shaped the one between the saw and blade layer to match the stock one with lower end on it to prefect wood saw from accidentally hitting it.

As with all Ti mods, but especially Ti liner and Ti scale mods, all friction points with the steel tools have been carbidized for smooth operation. Without that any Ti mod will eventually gall.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom490/IMG_0640.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom490/IMG_0641.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom490/IMG_0662.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom490/IMG_0664.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sawman on October 23, 2015, 08:35:49 PM
As always, your work is beautiful Syph :drool: :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on October 23, 2015, 09:56:55 PM
Awesome. Mail incoming these days, Syph.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on October 24, 2015, 12:15:48 AM
Ti mag glass :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on October 24, 2015, 01:28:53 AM
Ti mag glass ok:
Exactly.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 26, 2015, 06:50:44 PM
A couple of stock silver ones this morning...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom491/IMG_0678.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom491/IMG_0686.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom492/IMG_0727.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom492/IMG_0734.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 26, 2015, 06:51:36 PM
And a black/brass lumberjack with scissors.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom493/IMG_0689.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom493/IMG_0701.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom493/IMG_0702.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom493/IMG_0710.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 26, 2015, 07:43:33 PM
Another beautiful job Syph! :tu: well x2 :D
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on October 26, 2015, 07:45:51 PM
Those are some good looking tools there! I love the polished brass look on just about any knife; it adds a touch of class.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sheradin on October 27, 2015, 12:49:02 AM
That black/brass Lumberjack with scissors looks pretty sweet. Can't wait for it to make it's way south here to Pa...  :)  There is just so much fantastic looking work in this thread. Each page brings so many new ideas, and so much to learn. I know, preaching to the choir. Thanks, Syph!   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 29, 2015, 04:46:06 PM
Ti madness continues!  And the no large blade configuration is getting more popular.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom494/IMG_0778.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom494/IMG_0796.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom494/IMG_0805.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom494/IMG_0834.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom494/IMG_0842.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 29, 2015, 04:51:56 PM
Very nice Syph :tu: I kinda have to agree with the no large blade, you only need one and really don't need anything large, but still I'd have to have the larger one..
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on October 29, 2015, 05:42:53 PM
Ti madness continues!  And the no large blade configuration is getting more popular.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom494/IMG_0778.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom494/IMG_0796.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom494/IMG_0805.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom494/IMG_0834.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom494/IMG_0842.jpg)
Wow... Obviously, it's the lighting that makes the blades appear blue, but imagine that for a moment, blued-out hardware!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 29, 2015, 08:12:35 PM
And I upgraded a stock red alox pioneer as well today.  Its very fiddly to fit the screws on stock scales without having it look awful as I shape the screws to fit the holes.  Lots of trial and error.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom495/IMG_0867.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom495/IMG_0870.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom495/IMG_0876.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom495/IMG_0880.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 29, 2015, 08:21:53 PM
Beauty! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on October 29, 2015, 09:06:35 PM
Looks great Syph!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on October 29, 2015, 10:23:39 PM
Awesome!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sheradin on October 29, 2015, 10:37:15 PM
Those shiny red scales and polished back springs look so sweet... The tumbled Ti and brass is looking pretty drool worthy also.   :drool:   ;)

Edit to add- As far as no large blade goes, I always carry a dedicated one hand opener, but don't always have a multitool on me. (I know, heresy!!!    :twak:) I'd rather use the room on the SAK for tools, and the small blade is kind of a backup or fine work blade. My very humble two cents.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kosmo on October 29, 2015, 11:08:34 PM
And I upgraded a stock red alox pioneer as well today.  Its very fiddly to fit the screws on stock scales without having it look awful as I shape the screws to fit the holes.  Lots of trial and error.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom495/IMG_0867.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom495/IMG_0870.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom495/IMG_0876.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom495/IMG_0880.jpg)

I would assume your using a pair of opener layer springs for the opener / phillips layer?  You have to add some spacers for the in-line phillips from a 91mm?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 02, 2015, 10:17:29 PM
Another bladeless this morning.  Its fun to do these since I get to use a full backscale with no cutout.  The only tricky part on the builds with pliers next to a scale is I have to make a cutout for the rivet to have clearance.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom496/IMG_0950.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom496/IMG_0896.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom496/IMG_0909.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom496/IMG_0929.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on November 02, 2015, 10:18:20 PM
:drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on November 02, 2015, 10:37:41 PM
That looks great!  An interesting configuration with an inline phillips but no slotted screwdriver.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: alexTOOL on November 03, 2015, 11:36:45 PM
That looks great!  An interesting configuration with an inline phillips but no slotted screwdriver.

Very nice but not logical to me...  :think: :think: :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on November 03, 2015, 11:43:20 PM
Think of it as a companion to a Pioneer or Farmer and it makes more sense.  Nice little pocket tool box.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on November 04, 2015, 01:14:57 AM
And I upgraded a stock red alox pioneer as well today.  Its very fiddly to fit the screws on stock scales without having it look awful as I shape the screws to fit the holes.  Lots of trial and error.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom495/IMG_0867.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom495/IMG_0870.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom495/IMG_0876.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom495/IMG_0880.jpg)

Beauty   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MachoGrande on November 05, 2015, 05:33:10 AM
Say that you got a little overzealous peening your first mod and one of your pins is applying too much pressure on the joint. Any trick to fixing this? Or do I need to drill it out and start over?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on November 05, 2015, 10:54:20 AM
The way I've heard it is you start over, but if anyone knows how to fix it short of that, you're in the right place.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sheradin on November 05, 2015, 07:35:19 PM
Arrived today from the Great Northern Territories.  :)  Simply beautiful. Thanks, Syph!  :salute:

(http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad56/scout24cpf/IMG_0305.jpg)

(http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad56/scout24cpf/IMG_0306.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on November 05, 2015, 11:50:00 PM

Say that you got a little overzealous peening your first mod and one of your pins is applying too much pressure on the joint. Any trick to fixing this? Or do I need to drill it out and start over?

Slide a thin piece of metal in between the layers and pry slightly. Also use a punch and tap lightly while the other side is not against a surface. Hard to explain that one.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 06, 2015, 02:36:28 AM
Say that you got a little overzealous peening your first mod and one of your pins is applying too much pressure on the joint. Any trick to fixing this? Or do I need to drill it out and start over?

Its easiest to start over especially if its really tight.

You can use shims in the assembly, then peen tight and pull the shims, I like that method.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MachoGrande on November 06, 2015, 05:11:34 AM
Thanks for the advice, guys. Its not too bad. When closing the tool, the joint is just tight enough that the tool doesn't snap into the closed position as effortlessly as it should. I have to give a little assistance near the end.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on November 06, 2015, 09:40:37 AM
Syph, the more I think about the cap lifter paired with the inline phillips on the 93mm, the more it makes natural sense.  Way more useful than the can opener in my world.  I guess I need to get some shim material, screws, pivots, and a couple of carbide 1/8" drill bits.  I'm too nervous to hammer alox!  Nothing crazy.  A Pioneer with a can opener/phillips swap.

If its simple, why do I feel so apprehensive?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on November 06, 2015, 09:53:09 AM
The phillips is thicker than the can opener, so you'll need a different spring - the blade spring works with a spacer/washer next to the cap lifter.  Peening alox is fine if it's silver, a bit more nerve wracking on coloured scales.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on November 06, 2015, 10:05:02 AM
Yea, I heard about the blade spring.  I thought there was some slight modification on the cap lifter end required too. And its a .002 washer, right?  Maybe get some phosphor bronze shim material to make a few washers with.  I would want to do this on a several colors of Pioneer so maybe I should practice up on my peening first!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on November 06, 2015, 10:08:11 AM
I'm trying to remember what I used in the past.  0.4mm brass sheet, I think.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on November 06, 2015, 06:39:32 PM
opener and phillips takes 0.105" of width on a single backspring.  There is a 0.020" washer with the cap lifter to fill out the width.

Ah, found the relevant information: .02".  The only problem is the phosphor bronze I've seen is sold in MUCH larger quantities.  I guess I'd have enough to make a few thousand washers!  :D

Edit: Apparently USA Knife Maker has phosphor bronze washers in various thicknesses.  While they don't have any in .02", they have pairs in .01" along with other thicknesses.  Cheaper than ordering a whole sheet and making my own.  Now all the parts are on their way.  Ack!!  My work simply won't be able to compare to any of the amazing stuff I see on here.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 06, 2015, 11:58:25 PM
http://gearjunkie.com/best-multi-tools-knives-review

I reccognize that first tool! :D



Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on November 07, 2015, 12:03:55 AM
Nice feature @Syph007. Very well deserved I say. The last one is yours too right?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on November 07, 2015, 12:07:50 AM
http://gearjunkie.com/best-multi-tools-knives-review

I reccognize that first tool! :D

Best in the world eh? Can we believe him though?  :P  We all know the Wave doesn't have a 154CM blade...  ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on November 07, 2015, 12:21:00 AM
http://gearjunkie.com/best-multi-tools-knives-review

I reccognize that first tool! :D
Congrats! Now I have to order my next one fast, before you get even more overrun by orders due to that article.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on November 07, 2015, 12:28:24 AM
As an outside observer I think you've earned the title! Unless Timbukto has an equivalent to MTO and there is some dude on there dishing out hundreds of sweet mods that we don't even know about.  Maybe he's even made a custom backspring to put 91mm scissors on a 84mm   :P

 Very cool mate!  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on November 07, 2015, 12:34:08 AM

http://gearjunkie.com/best-multi-tools-knives-review

I reccognize that first tool! :D

Where? :think:  I don't think I've ever seen that one :P
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on November 07, 2015, 12:38:26 AM
This GearJunkie dude also thinks that Vic scissors suck? Really?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 07, 2015, 01:13:43 AM
This GearJunkie dude also thinks that Vic scissors suck? Really?

Lol.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on November 07, 2015, 01:55:52 AM
Wow, that is a cool article!  From all of the amazing things I've seen you produce, I think it's pretty accurate.  Your volume of work and quality are so prevalent that you're used as a reference point for how to do things as well as quality.  There are quite a number of talented modders out there, but if wondering if something can be done or has been done, the answer is always the same: Syph did it.

Gee, now I feel like I'm hobnobbing with famous people!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on November 07, 2015, 02:28:18 AM
 :salute: That was a good read.  Congrats Syph.  I hope the orders come piling in as a result. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on November 07, 2015, 04:27:18 AM
Congrats Syph!!!  Great article!!!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on November 07, 2015, 06:35:21 AM
Congrats on the article Syph :cheers:  Can't argue with that :)

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Post by: nj2656 on November 07, 2015, 06:48:26 AM
Very nice to see you getting the recognition.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on November 07, 2015, 12:37:04 PM
That's a very unusual 'nom de plume' you chose there Syph  :o  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 08, 2015, 05:18:00 PM
Ok.. two mods done yesterday.  First one is an Ti dual blade... second has a Ti mag glass in it... yep.. finally used one.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom497/IMG_0956.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom497/IMG_0961.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom497/IMG_0979.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 08, 2015, 05:26:32 PM
So now lets talk Ti mag glass... how to hold the bloody lens in...

So.. tried a friction fit.. fail it will fall out.

Tried epoxy, not a great look and some got on glass.. and not easily replaceable lens... fail.

Tried to paint on crazy glue around lens then fit in... still got white crusty stuff on glass.. fail.

About to give up when I thought.. why not just tap a hole through the bottom of the frame?

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1049.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1055.jpg)

That was the smallest head screw I had, but a set screw would work even better (got some on order). 

So first thoughts.. will it crack the lens.  Nope, tightened as hard as I could and nothing. ( I could also put a dot of rubber or glue on the end so metal screw to glass contact is eliminated).

Next thought was retention.  I could not dislodge the the lens with finger pressure, yet a turn of the screw released it just fine.  :D

So... Ive got an easily replaceable lens system now with no downside that I can see.  YES!!!

Im not 100% happy with the Ti material as a choice though so I think the future will see some brass or Al options.  Ti and metal rubbing will never be as smooth as stock tools, but at least Ive solved the major issues here, and proved the design and CAD file I made works.

Here is the finished SAK with the mag glass.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1010.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1026.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1033.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1074.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on November 08, 2015, 05:29:48 PM
So now lets talk Ti mag glass... how to hold the bloody lens in...

So.. tried a friction fit.. fail it will fall out.

Tried epoxy, not a great look and some got on glass.. and not easily replaceable lens... fail.

Tried to paint on crazy glue around lens then fit in... still got white crusty stuff on glass.. fail.

About to give up when I thought.. why not just tap a hole through the bottom of the frame?

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1049.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1055.jpg)

That was the smallest head screw I had, but a set screw would work even better (got some on order). 

So first thoughts.. will it crack the lens.  Nope, tightened as hard as I could and nothing. ( I could also put a dot of rubber or glue on the end so metal screw to glass contact is eliminated).

Next thought was retention.  I could not dislodge the the lens with finger pressure, yet a turn of the screw released it just fine.  :D

So... Ive got an easily replaceable lens system now with no downside that I can see.  YES!!!

Im not 100% happy with the Ti material as a choice though so I think the future will see some brass or Al options.  Ti and metal rubbing will never be as smooth as stock tools, but at least Ive solved the major issues here, and proved the design and CAD file I made works.

Here is the finished SAK with the mag glass.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1010.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1026.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1033.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1074.jpg)
Now that's an elegant solution! Love it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on November 08, 2015, 05:46:54 PM
So now lets talk Ti mag glass... how to hold the bloody lens in...

So.. tried a friction fit.. fail it will fall out.

Tried epoxy, not a great look and some got on glass.. and not easily replaceable lens... fail.

Tried to paint on crazy glue around lens then fit in... still got white crusty stuff on glass.. fail.

About to give up when I thought.. why not just tap a hole through the bottom of the frame?

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1049.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1055.jpg)

That was the smallest head screw I had, but a set screw would work even better (got some on order). 

So first thoughts.. will it crack the lens.  Nope, tightened as hard as I could and nothing. ( I could also put a dot of rubber or glue on the end so metal screw to glass contact is eliminated).

Next thought was retention.  I could not dislodge the the lens with finger pressure, yet a turn of the screw released it just fine.  :D

So... Ive got an easily replaceable lens system now with no downside that I can see.  YES!!!

Im not 100% happy with the Ti material as a choice though so I think the future will see some brass or Al options.  Ti and metal rubbing will never be as smooth as stock tools, but at least Ive solved the major issues here, and proved the design and CAD file I made works.

Here is the finished SAK with the mag glass.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1010.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1026.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1033.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom450Plus/Custom498/IMG_1074.jpg)

That is excellent!!!!!!!   :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on November 08, 2015, 06:07:19 PM
Great job as usual    :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sheradin on November 08, 2015, 07:44:52 PM
THAT is fantastic...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on November 08, 2015, 09:19:26 PM
Love the mag glass Syph :tu:

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Post by: Huntsman on November 08, 2015, 10:28:36 PM
OK - That's three more adjectives (persistent, resilient, determined) - I have to add to my list of adjectives (technically brilliant, inspired, creative, imaginative, original, oozing quality) that I use to describe you and your work  :D

PS. Does the holder have a wee ledge all the way round for the glass to rest against - So it cannot come out in one direction - then the screw holds it in and against the ledge? 
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on November 08, 2015, 10:58:22 PM
One word. :gimmie:
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 09, 2015, 12:12:24 AM
One word, brass!
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Post by: Syph007 on November 09, 2015, 12:53:58 AM
One word, brass!

Ya I was just ordering a piece the right thickness... Id like a Ti explorer, brass mag glass holder, brass liners, brass cross, brass tweezer.... yup... that would be good.... or the same as a yeoman config.
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on November 09, 2015, 01:59:05 AM
Does the mag glass hold the olde style or new style lens?
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 09, 2015, 03:38:50 AM
One word, brass!

Ya I was just ordering a piece the right thickness... Id like a Ti explorer, brass mag glass holder, brass liners, brass cross, brass tweezer.... yup... that would be good.... or the same as a yeoman config.

You think?
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Post by: firiki on November 09, 2015, 10:37:30 AM
Simple and elegant solution. Good job, Syph007 :tu:
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Post by: Glofindel on November 09, 2015, 12:57:39 PM
Brilliant!!

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Post by: TazzieRob on November 09, 2015, 08:41:32 PM
I can't see a little nub to deploy the mag glass. Could you position the set screw for double purpose?
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Post by: Syph007 on November 09, 2015, 08:59:11 PM
I can't see a little nub to deploy the mag glass. Could you position the set screw for double purpose?

I remove that nub when I put the mag glass on a 93mm frame as it sticks up too far.  I also grind round recesses in the backsprings to allow it to sit as low as possible.
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Post by: jaydar on November 11, 2015, 12:16:34 AM
Does the mag glass hold the olde style or new style lens?

This is an amazing mod but either of the Victorinox lenses are not really good enough for the effort and quality of this, for me the lens out of a decent loupe would be perfect ... I am not suggesting cannibalising my vintage Zeiss  :) but a lens from a $5 dollar loupe would make for a fantastic upgrade :)

I took apart an old optical microscope x10 eyepiece  ($1) and the lens wold be a little to big for the  grey plastic and a little to small for the clear plastic .... but that would be such a great upgrade :)
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Post by: Sakpan74Gr on November 13, 2015, 08:34:10 PM
Hey Syph007, unless I am mistaken you can make 84mm scissors by modding 91mm ones. If this is correct, then could you make 84mm pliers out of 91mm ones;
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Post by: Syph007 on November 13, 2015, 08:50:39 PM
Hey Syph007, unless I am mistaken you can make 84mm scissors by modding 91mm ones. If this is correct, then could you make 84mm pliers out of 91mm ones;

Yes I think that would work ok.   Its not hard but its time consuming with lots of trial and error to get a perfect fit.

I wouldn't mind and 84 mm deluxe tinker though.
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Post by: Sakpan74Gr on November 13, 2015, 08:59:00 PM
That's exactly what I had in mind!
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Post by: Sakpan74Gr on November 13, 2015, 09:03:10 PM
If you remove the can opening part of the can opener  (it sounds kind of silly, I know) , is the remaining driver a good 2D Philips? How does it compare to the 3D Philips?
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Post by: Toolslinger on November 13, 2015, 09:15:13 PM
If you remove the can opening part of the can opener  (it sounds kind of silly, I know) , is the remaining driver a good 2D Philips? How does it compare to the 3D Philips?

Depends on the grinding job you do. ;)

I've found it to be a passable driver for both philips and flat. It definitely improves the reach compared to leaving the blade on.

Compared to the dedicated inline philips, it's not as strong, otherwise, it depends on how much you want to use it. For lots of use on stubborn screws, 3d all the way.
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Post by: Sakpan74Gr on November 13, 2015, 09:22:32 PM
If you add serrations on the pen knife blade, will it still be able to cut paper smoothly? I am asking because some serrated blades rip it instead of cutting it.
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Post by: Sakpan74Gr on November 13, 2015, 09:28:13 PM
Is it easy for a customer of yours to take apart and put back together your SAKs? If yes then perhaps you could provide different length screws, so that we could choose which tools to carry, a modular SAK!
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Post by: s1xty7 on November 13, 2015, 10:47:19 PM
Usually his customs use torx screws and barrel pivots.  It's not just the length of the screws but the length of the pivot barrels and the diameter of the hole in the tools.  You would need to have a variety of tools prepped and an appropriate length set of pivots for each configuration.  Other than that, it should work.  You might need some special pivots once you start to get over 4 layers or so.
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Post by: Syph007 on November 13, 2015, 10:52:31 PM
Is it easy for a customer of yours to take apart and put back together your SAKs? If yes then perhaps you could provide different length screws, so that we could choose which tools to carry, a modular SAK!

No not easy but people do take them apart.  Up to 3 layes is doable but beyond that a vice is needed to compress the springs.  It not like a folder where scales lift off.  These springs provide significant force which must be resisted to snap on the scale.
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Post by: Psych on November 14, 2015, 02:22:39 AM
I've used a well padded set of vise grips to compress the springs on my syph mod. I've taken it apart and put it back together many times without too much trouble.


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Post by: Syph007 on November 16, 2015, 12:33:00 AM
Finally I could work again today.  I had a weird chest pain, not heart attack bad though but annoying for a couple weeks.  I finally ended up in emerg on Friday and found out I had walking pneumonia.   Sure is nice to be able to breath fully again and get back to work!

Today I put together another Ti wrench mod.  :D

This is custom Mod #500  !!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom500/IMG_1122.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom500/IMG_1132.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom500/IMG_1138.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom500/IMG_1147.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom500/IMG_1158.jpg)
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on November 16, 2015, 12:59:36 AM
Glad to hear your ok and feeling better :tu:
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Post by: Sheradin on November 16, 2015, 01:06:04 AM
Congrats on number 500!   :salute:  Feel better...
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Post by: SteveC on November 16, 2015, 01:08:55 AM
Glad to hear your ok and feeling better :tu:

Congrats on number 500!   :salute:  Feel better...

+1 on both and  :drool: for #500
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Post by: enki_ck on November 16, 2015, 01:33:24 AM
500. :o

:cheers:

And to think we knew him when he took apart his first SAK. :dd:
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Post by: Monrogue on November 16, 2015, 01:58:47 AM
Glad you're doing better and congrats on #500 buddy!

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Post by: mrynnr on November 16, 2015, 02:41:08 AM
Glad to hear you are A OK now! That is an awesome 500 mod!
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Post by: windson on November 16, 2015, 05:25:46 AM
Glad to hear your ok and feeling better :tu:
This. Be well, Bob!
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Post by: s1xty7 on November 16, 2015, 05:54:41 PM
Glad you're starting to feel better.  Hopefully you'll be right as rain soon.

And congrats on number 500!
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Post by: WWW on November 17, 2015, 01:48:24 PM
Holly crap, it is good to hear you're OK!!!
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Post by: alexTOOL on November 20, 2015, 12:04:46 AM
Congrats!  :drink:

And go for the next 500!!!   :pok: :salute:
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Post by: Syph007 on November 23, 2015, 10:40:13 PM
The customer wanted some grip lines on this one and heat anodized scales.  I just hit it with the torch for a bit to add some texture and it seems to have worked ok.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom502/IMG_1247.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom502/IMG_1258.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom502/IMG_1273.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom502/IMG_1278.jpg)
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Post by: SteveC on November 23, 2015, 10:59:32 PM
That looks Bada$$   :tu:
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Post by: Monrogue on November 23, 2015, 11:51:43 PM
Nice one Syph

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Post by: Syph007 on November 24, 2015, 07:29:10 PM
I finally got in my REAL metal mokume so Im cutting my first cross out of it.  :D  It was 100 bucks for this 6 inch piece but I can get alot of crosses cut out of it.

I bought it from Mike Sakmar  http://sakmarenterprises.com/ and while I had to wait a few weeks for it to be made he was awesome to deal with and I will buy again from him.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_1300.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_1298.jpg)
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Post by: s1xty7 on November 24, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
That looks pretty cool!  What metals are in it?  Silver and copper?  It'll really make those crosses pop.  :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on November 24, 2015, 08:42:20 PM
That looks pretty cool!  What metals are in it?  Silver and copper?  It'll really make those crosses pop.  :tu:

That is copper and nickel silver.   He does a 3 metal one too but that is even more pricy so i figured id try this first.
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Post by: WWW on November 24, 2015, 09:49:34 PM
SAKmar. Good name.
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Post by: Syph007 on November 24, 2015, 10:00:24 PM
SAKmar. Good name.

I noticed that too.  :)
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 25, 2015, 01:25:21 AM
:popcorn:
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Post by: Syph007 on December 01, 2015, 10:34:00 PM
Having trouble ditching the pneumonia :rant:, second round of antibiotics now... this never happened in my 20s !!! Maybe I should have eaten more vegetables like mom always told me...   :whistle:

I slowly got these 2 built over the last week or so, both identical no-pointy SAKs, one with Al cross and one with the mokume.  I didnt have a way to polish the mokume though so it doesn't stand out as much as Id hoped.  If I made some sort of mask I could polish the cross only without effecting the tumbled look of the scale part, so I'll have to try that next.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom503/IMG_1347.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom503/IMG_1354.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom503/IMG_1328.jpg)
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Post by: WWW on December 01, 2015, 10:40:04 PM
Hope you get better soon!! Best wishes.
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Post by: windson on December 01, 2015, 11:16:20 PM
Hope you get better soon!! Best wishes.

This. Be well, Bob!
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Post by: SteveC on December 01, 2015, 11:37:16 PM
Best wishes for a quick recovery  :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on December 01, 2015, 11:46:58 PM
Thanks guys, improving and still able to get some work done just slower.

I took an up close shot of the mokume... it actually looks kinda neat.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom503/IMG_1361.jpg)
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Post by: SAK Guy on December 02, 2015, 12:04:27 AM
Best wishes for a quick recovery  :tu:

+1
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Post by: Monrogue on December 02, 2015, 12:06:21 AM
Thanks guys, improving and still able to get some work done just slower.

I took an up close shot of the mokume... it actually looks kinda neat.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom503/IMG_1361.jpg)
That is pretty cool Syph, and I hope you kick that illness soon buddy

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Post by: tattoosteve99 on December 02, 2015, 12:23:09 AM
Syph. Could this mokume be like Damascus and have to be etched to show up more?
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 02, 2015, 01:30:20 AM
Syph. Could this mokume be like Damascus and have to be etched to show up more?

Or polished?
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Post by: WWW on December 02, 2015, 02:35:01 AM
 It will show up more if you polish but is dificult to do so without polishing the tumbled finish.
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Post by: Syph007 on December 02, 2015, 03:07:00 AM
It will show up more if you polish but is dificult to do so without polishing the tumbled finish.

Thats exactly the problem.  Nickel silver should polish up nice and bright.  Im going to take a front scales and mill the cross part down super thin and try using that as a polishing mask.
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Post by: s1xty7 on December 03, 2015, 08:17:53 AM
Feel better soon!

And those non-knives look great.  The mokume has a sort of rusty look to it like that, which gives it an interesting appearance.  I wonder how big of a difference it will be with a polished example.
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Post by: Syph007 on December 03, 2015, 09:24:29 PM
Ok I polished that same scale to see how it would look.  It's really hard to take a good pic of it though.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom503/IMG_1440.jpg)
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Post by: lowtech on December 03, 2015, 09:46:41 PM
Get well soon!
And on the Mokume Cross: Maybe polishing the scale, then masking the cross and tumbling the scale might work?!
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on December 04, 2015, 03:11:42 AM

Get well soon!
And on the Mokume Cross: Maybe polishing the scale, then masking the cross and tumbling the scale might work?!

I was going to say the same thing ;)
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Post by: Syph007 on December 07, 2015, 02:35:52 AM
An alox mod! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom504/IMG_1471.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom504/IMG_1484.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom504/IMG_1499.jpg)
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Post by: SAK Guy on December 07, 2015, 03:20:20 AM
Awesome!!
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Post by: Monrogue on December 07, 2015, 03:28:45 AM
Awesome!!
+1

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Post by: SteveC on December 07, 2015, 05:55:22 AM
Awesome!!
+1

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+2   :drool:
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on December 07, 2015, 03:58:23 PM

Awesome!!
+1

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+2   :drool:

+3. Nice tool layout
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2015, 07:24:08 PM

Awesome!!
+1

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+2   :drool:

+3. Nice tool layout

The ladies say this to me all the time.

Also, +4 Daddy likes.

A lot of the best tools but not to big and since I almost always have a dedicated folder the big SAK blade hardly gets used.

Hmm.
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Post by: Syph007 on December 09, 2015, 05:04:45 PM
Ok, time for equiptment again.  Im tired of waiting 24 hours for the tumbling to get the matte finish on the Ti, so I need a blasting cabinet...

Got this on the way.  Amazon had them for a decent price.  :D

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81FH9bIU%2BiL._SL1500_.jpg)

Now I gotta get a compressor that can do 12 CFM at 80 PSI.  I think those are going to be more than the blasting cab is, and it needs to be 220 volts so I'll have to run a line to the shop for that.  I have a spare 220 breaker though so that shouldnt be a big deal, the ceiling is all open from teh breaker to the shop.

:D
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Post by: s1xty7 on December 09, 2015, 05:50:08 PM
New tools!  Always exciting!

That blasting cabinet looks like a good piece of equipment and good luck with the compressor search.  I started down a slippery slope when looking for one for my garage.  Ingersoll Rand has some nice stuff, but I actually got an older Speedaire one for a fraction of the cost on Craigslist.  I only wanted a 20 gallon tank but the quality of the motor, regardless of the tank size, is what you are really after.  I ended up with a cast iron, double piston setup with changeable oil.  Those oil-less ones are short lived and I don't believe would be up to your task.  Then when you start looking at hoses and fittings, it starts to add up too.  There are some pretty nice GoodYear hoses around unless you are hard lining it (although, i'd still be tempted by a section of hose so that it was at least a little moveable).  Also, I've read that using a slightly larger line helps keep your pressure constant, so I went with 1/2" line with 3/8" fittings.  For fittings, there are three standards that I ran across and I ended up getting mine all in Universal format so they will work with the other two main types, which won't work with each other.

This is like the compressor I was able to pick up for $150 in perfectly functioning order. 20 gal, 3 HP, 10 CFM @ 90 PSI.  No problems so far in limited use:
(http://images.drillspot.com/pimages/000/431/797/431797_300.jpg)

But that is some of what I found when I was searching.  You may have more experience on the subject already and I'm sure there are others around who can give you better guidance.  Anything I've stated may actually be completely wrong so take it with a whole cup of salt.

Good luck with your search!
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Post by: Syph007 on December 09, 2015, 09:15:04 PM
Ya the compressor Im not exactly sure what I need yet, but Im sending out some feelers for used ones right now.  For the amount of blasting I'll be doing I dont need something too hard core that will be running all day or anything.

Im not at all concerned about noise, since it wont be on all the time either.   Really its just going to be for glass bead blasting of Ti.

That one you got for 150 looks sweet. I hope I can find a deal somewhere.  :D


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Post by: s1xty7 on December 09, 2015, 09:33:54 PM
I don't know how long it takes to do the blasting you need, but the longer the continuous use, the larger you want your tank.  The compressor will only kick on when it needs to maintain the pressure in the tank.  Those compact oil-less ones will run nearly the entire time and won't move the CFM you need.  That, and they have a life of a year or so from what I have read.  I bought mine for use with air tools when working on my Cherokee so I don't have quite the need of continuous blasting but I think that size would work for a few minutes at a time.

The deals are out there.  Might have better luck after Christmas when people that got new compressors are selling their old ones.  Then again, maybe there won't be a difference.
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Post by: Syph007 on December 12, 2015, 09:19:08 PM
Cybertool 34 in Ti.  :D

You can really see how much thickness is saved in the last couple of shot comparing it to my daily carry CT.

My blasting cab is due to arrive next week, so I better get shopping for a compressor.  I found a place that sells all the media types in town.  Aparently I can use a certain grit of sand to blade off the alox coating on alox scales and not have to use the nasty chemicals.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom505/IMG_1519.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom505/IMG_1521.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom505/IMG_1530.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom505/IMG_1541.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom505/IMG_1550.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom505/IMG_1555.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom505/IMG_1556.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom505/IMG_1575.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom505/IMG_1586.jpg)
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Post by: Monrogue on December 12, 2015, 09:47:10 PM
Nice Syph

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Post by: tommywp on December 13, 2015, 05:36:20 PM
You can really see how much thickness is saved in the last couple of shot comparing it to my daily carry CT

I think it's funny that you EDC a stock SAK. The cobblers children have no shoes!
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Post by: SAK Guy on December 13, 2015, 05:49:19 PM
I really like that one!!!! :2tu:
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 13, 2015, 07:02:22 PM
You can really see how much thickness is saved in the last couple of shot comparing it to my daily carry CT

I think it's funny that you EDC a stock SAK. The cobblers children have no shoes!

You should see the barber's haircut.

Didn't you say Mrs Syph has a stock SAK also? Shame.
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Post by: Syph007 on December 13, 2015, 08:56:33 PM
You can really see how much thickness is saved in the last couple of shot comparing it to my daily carry CT

I think it's funny that you EDC a stock SAK. The cobblers children have no shoes!

It was one of the first SAKs I bought from Tim after I joined here, and its an old model with the thicker blade.  Its been one of my favorites.

The problem with making pimped out SAKs is that once I have one done I never want to carry it as I could sell it and then have money to get more parts/supplies etc... so Ive got very few of my own mods here, just parts to make them?

You can really see how much thickness is saved in the last couple of shot comparing it to my daily carry CT

I think it's funny that you EDC a stock SAK. The cobblers children have no shoes!

You should see the barber's haircut.

Didn't you say Mrs Syph has a stock SAK also? Shame.

The Mrs has a wenger nail clipper model.  But after I made that Ti 58 with the red garnet in it, she said she wanted one like that. 
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Post by: Syph007 on December 16, 2015, 09:12:27 PM
Soon I'll be having a Blast! :D  well after I get it built...; buy a compressor... get it hooked up.. test media etc...

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=253683;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on December 16, 2015, 11:48:02 PM
:ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on December 16, 2015, 11:48:24 PM
Is it ready yet? :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on December 17, 2015, 12:16:12 AM
What about now? :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on December 17, 2015, 01:11:30 AM
Maybe now?  Hey what's taking so long?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 17, 2015, 03:09:54 AM
Are we there yet!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 17, 2015, 03:19:41 AM
Getting there.  :D

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 17, 2015, 05:26:21 PM
I think I'll call this one a knifeless companion SAK.  Ive built 3 of these ones so far for people that either dont want a blade on there, or already carry a big folder, and they are a nice package of handy tools.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1634.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1650.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on December 17, 2015, 07:00:37 PM
That is a really nice combination of tools and provides great utility!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 17, 2015, 08:38:51 PM
That is a really nice combination of tools and provides great utility!

Yep, plus the Cyber driver is nicely centered.

Could you add a saw and file to this and keep the driver centered Robert? I bet adding them to the scissor side would keep it close.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on December 17, 2015, 08:43:09 PM
Great tool layout! Very appealing to me personally.  :drool: Wish it was mine.  :cry:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on December 17, 2015, 08:53:34 PM
I think I'll call this one a knifeless companion SAK.  Ive built 3 of these ones so far for people that either dont want a blade on there, or already carry a big folder, and they are a nice package of handy tools.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1612.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1618.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1624.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1628.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1634.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1641.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1650.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1675.jpg)
That's a good tool set. Nice minimal and focused. (even though conceptually, I'm not a fan of that huge slab of plastic within the polished steel and tumbled Ti)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 17, 2015, 09:04:56 PM
I think I'll call this one a knifeless companion SAK.  Ive built 3 of these ones so far for people that either dont want a blade on there, or already carry a big folder, and they are a nice package of handy tools.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1612.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1618.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1624.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1628.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1634.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1641.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1650.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1675.jpg)
That's a good tool set. Nice minimal and focused. (even though conceptually, I'm not a fan of that huge slab of plastic within the polished steel and tumbled Ti)

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Yeah Robert when is the Brass and Ti bit holders coming out?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 17, 2015, 09:23:27 PM
That is a really nice combination of tools and provides great utility!

Yep, plus the Cyber driver is nicely centered.

Could you add a saw and file to this and keep the driver centered Robert? I bet adding them to the scissor side would keep it close.

Yep but pliers layer is only 0.020" wider than scissors so if  you want the driver centered  it might be best to put one on each side.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 18, 2015, 05:39:04 AM
That is a really nice combination of tools and provides great utility!

Yep, plus the Cyber driver is nicely centered.

Could you add a saw and file to this and keep the driver centered Robert? I bet adding them to the scissor side would keep it close.

Yep but pliers layer is only 0.020" wider than scissors so if  you want the driver centered  it might be best to put one on each side.

You guys and your fancy measuring.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Weasel on December 18, 2015, 01:16:12 PM

I think I'll call this one a knifeless companion SAK.  Ive built 3 of these ones so far for people that either dont want a blade on there, or already carry a big folder, and they are a nice package of handy tools.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1612.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1618.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1624.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1628.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1634.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1641.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1650.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom506/IMG_1675.jpg)


Fantastic mod and very useful


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jdindadell on December 29, 2015, 04:38:11 PM
I have the same blasting cabinet, have used it for a few years now.

The trigger for the blasting gun failed quickly, so I gutted it.  I have an adjustable air regulator mounted on the cabinet where the air supply goes in.  This allows me to turn it on via the regulator and adjust the pressure, which varies the finish.  I use "grit" which is cheaper than al oxide and seems to provide good results.

If you plan to remove paint or something that will produce larger pieces of waste I would suggest adding a layer of fine window screen to the underside of the mesh working plate.  This will catch larger particles that will clog the fill tube.  I also find it handy to have a catch can under the unit with a fine screen on the top so I can periodically strain out the media to get the large bits out.  I strain the media before initial use as well.  Might not be necessary if you use higher quality media.  You can unclog the unit by forcing compressed air back through the media tube. 

I also had to replace the light, as it failed, went with a more powerful dual bulb unit for more light.  Also, make sure you install the thin clear plastic shields over the light and viewing windows.  They are sacrificial, and will need to be swapped frequently.  I also find it easier to use with less overhead light so if you can put it in a darker corner of the shop that helps.  I also use a shop vac to evacuate the dust during use, that helps with visibility inside the cabinet as well.  I plan to make a permanent dust extractor in a wooden cabinet.  It will be quieter than the shop vac.  There are some ideas online for building this with PVC pipe, etc. 

I also plan to put a foot control for the air supply.  I was going to get another trigger gun to replace the gutted one, but hand fatigue is an issue depending on how long you plan to use it.  I have used my cabinet a lot, and with a few mods I feel it was well worth the price.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 29, 2015, 06:37:35 PM
I have the same blasting cabinet, have used it for a few years now.

The trigger for the blasting gun failed quickly, so I gutted it.  I have an adjustable air regulator mounted on the cabinet where the air supply goes in.  This allows me to turn it on via the regulator and adjust the pressure, which varies the finish.  I use "grit" which is cheaper than al oxide and seems to provide good results.

If you plan to remove paint or something that will produce larger pieces of waste I would suggest adding a layer of fine window screen to the underside of the mesh working plate.  This will catch larger particles that will clog the fill tube.  I also find it handy to have a catch can under the unit with a fine screen on the top so I can periodically strain out the media to get the large bits out.  I strain the media before initial use as well.  Might not be necessary if you use higher quality media.  You can unclog the unit by forcing compressed air back through the media tube. 

I also had to replace the light, as it failed, went with a more powerful dual bulb unit for more light.  Also, make sure you install the thin clear plastic shields over the light and viewing windows.  They are sacrificial, and will need to be swapped frequently.  I also find it easier to use with less overhead light so if you can put it in a darker corner of the shop that helps.  I also use a shop vac to evacuate the dust during use, that helps with visibility inside the cabinet as well.  I plan to make a permanent dust extractor in a wooden cabinet.  It will be quieter than the shop vac.  There are some ideas online for building this with PVC pipe, etc. 

I also plan to put a foot control for the air supply.  I was going to get another trigger gun to replace the gutted one, but hand fatigue is an issue depending on how long you plan to use it.  I have used my cabinet a lot, and with a few mods I feel it was well worth the price.

Good info thanks!

I figured Id have to DIY some things on this to get it the way I want, but its easier than starting from scratch.

This will only be used for glass bead surface finishing of Ti, so hopefully that should keep it pretty clean in there.

Im still shopping for a compressor.  Could I not get by with a slightly lower CFM one and have a finer nozzle?  That would keep the velocity high with the downside of blasting a smaller areas at one time.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jdindadell on December 29, 2015, 08:13:50 PM
My take on compressors is that more cfm and tank size is the way to go.  Plus you need to look at duty cycle info for blasting, as you do use a lot of air.  A larger tank can help with volume, but an undersized compressor will wear out quicker or just not be up to task.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Boaz on December 30, 2015, 04:23:31 PM
Thank you @Syph007 . I have spent a pleasant day off work reading the entire thread, it shows a great deal of skill and craftsmanship and a real sense of pride in your work.

I like the "Gentleman" style of the Black with the brass accents, keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to seeing what 2016 has in store. Cheers.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 30, 2015, 05:32:22 PM
Thank you @Syph007 . I have spent a pleasant day off work reading the entire thread, it shows a great deal of skill and craftsmanship and a real sense of pride in your work.

I like the "Gentleman" style of the Black with the brass accents, keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to seeing what 2016 has in store. Cheers.

I remember when I worked in an office I used to read long threads to kill time during really boring days, so Im glad I could provide something for others to read.  :D

For 2016 this is where Im going
-  Mostly Ti conversions to all SAK sizes
-  The only alox 93 scales I'll carry is hard anodized black
-  Finish making the marlin spike tools for 91 and 93mm SAKs.
-  Figure out how to do the Ti bead blast finish and have anodized accent details as well
-  Maybe I'll finally cave in and order that Tormach Ive saved up for but too chicken to blow the $$$.  I like the new little one they sell now with high rpm, I could do custom engraving/personalizing which alot of people ask for.
-  New blade options in high end steel.  Ive been getting this request alot and I really want to have something to offer.
-  Buy myself a go pro and start doing work videos and updating my long neglected youtube
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Boaz on December 30, 2015, 05:34:53 PM

Thank you @Syph007 . I have spent a pleasant day off work reading the entire thread, it shows a great deal of skill and craftsmanship and a real sense of pride in your work.

I like the "Gentleman" style of the Black with the brass accents, keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to seeing what 2016 has in store. Cheers.

I remember when I worked in an office I used to read long threads to kill time during really boring days, so Im glad I could provide something for others to read.  :D

For 2016 this is where Im going
-  Mostly Ti conversions to all SAK sizes
-  The only alox 93 scales I'll carry is hard anodized black
-  Finish making the marlin spike tools for 91 and 93mm SAKs.
-  Figure out how to do the Ti bead blast finish and have anodized accent details as well
-  Maybe I'll finally cave in and order that Tormach Ive saved up for but too chicken to blow the $$$.  I like the new little one they sell now with high rpm, I could do custom engraving/personalizing which alot of people ask for.
-  New blade options in high end steel.  Ive been getting this request alot and I really want to have something to offer.
-  Buy myself a go pro and start doing work videos and updating my long neglected youtube

Sounds like a plan!  I subscribed to your channel a little earlier, I hope the go pro idea moves up the list
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: alexTOOL on December 30, 2015, 05:56:09 PM
Thank you @Syph007 . I have spent a pleasant day off work reading the entire thread, it shows a great deal of skill and craftsmanship and a real sense of pride in your work.

I like the "Gentleman" style of the Black with the brass accents, keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to seeing what 2016 has in store. Cheers.

I remember when I worked in an office I used to read long threads to kill time during really boring days, so Im glad I could provide something for others to read.  :D

For 2016 this is where Im going
-  Mostly Ti conversions to all SAK sizes
-  The only alox 93 scales I'll carry is hard anodized black
-  Finish making the marlin spike tools for 91 and 93mm SAKs.
-  Figure out how to do the Ti bead blast finish and have anodized accent details as well
-  Maybe I'll finally cave in and order that Tormach Ive saved up for but too chicken to blow the $$$.  I like the new little one they sell now with high rpm, I could do custom engraving/personalizing which alot of people ask for.
-  New blade options in high end steel.  Ive been getting this request alot and I really want to have something to offer.
-  Buy myself a go pro and start doing work videos and updating my long neglected youtube

Please come back to 84 mm line...! We want to see little brothers mods!!! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 30, 2015, 07:39:47 PM
Thank you @Syph007 . I have spent a pleasant day off work reading the entire thread, it shows a great deal of skill and craftsmanship and a real sense of pride in your work.

I like the "Gentleman" style of the Black with the brass accents, keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to seeing what 2016 has in store. Cheers.

I remember when I worked in an office I used to read long threads to kill time during really boring days, so Im glad I could provide something for others to read.  :D

For 2016 this is where Im going
-  Mostly Ti conversions to all SAK sizes
-  The only alox 93 scales I'll carry is hard anodized black
-  Finish making the marlin spike tools for 91 and 93mm SAKs.
-  Figure out how to do the Ti bead blast finish and have anodized accent details as well
-  Maybe I'll finally cave in and order that Tormach Ive saved up for but too chicken to blow the $$$.  I like the new little one they sell now with high rpm, I could do custom engraving/personalizing which alot of people ask for.
-  New blade options in high end steel.  Ive been getting this request alot and I really want to have something to offer.
-  Buy myself a go pro and start doing work videos and updating my long neglected youtube

Please come back to 84 mm line...! We want to see little brothers mods!!! :D

Ah forgot 84mm is on the list.  Next time I have 440c cut im going to make some backsprings for adding scissors to 84s.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: alexTOOL on December 30, 2015, 08:03:59 PM

Ah forgot 84mm is on the list.  Next time I have 440c cut im going to make some backsprings for adding scissors to 84s.

 :cheers: :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: KaySuave on December 30, 2015, 09:37:45 PM
Ah forgot 84mm is on the list.  Next time I have 440c cut im going to make some backsprings for adding scissors to 84s.

And how about trying to figure out a way to do phillips + openers custom springs for the 91mm?  ::)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on December 31, 2015, 12:32:33 AM
Thank you @Syph007 . I have spent a pleasant day off work reading the entire thread, it shows a great deal of skill and craftsmanship and a real sense of pride in your work.

I like the "Gentleman" style of the Black with the brass accents, keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to seeing what 2016 has in store. Cheers.

I remember when I worked in an office I used to read long threads to kill time during really boring days, so Im glad I could provide something for others to read.  :D

For 2016 this is where Im going
-  Mostly Ti conversions to all SAK sizes
-  The only alox 93 scales I'll carry is hard anodized black
-  Finish making the marlin spike tools for 91 and 93mm SAKs.
-  Figure out how to do the Ti bead blast finish and have anodized accent details as well
-  Maybe I'll finally cave in and order that Tormach Ive saved up for but too chicken to blow the $$$.  I like the new little one they sell now with high rpm, I could do custom engraving/personalizing which alot of people ask for.
-  New blade options in high end steel.  Ive been getting this request alot and I really want to have something to offer.
-  Buy myself a go pro and start doing work videos and updating my long neglected youtube
The new Tormachs are looking really nice, and they seem to have some nice accessories. Your work is already amazing so I can't wait to see what you'll come up with next!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 01, 2016, 04:31:59 PM
I finished this one up last night... the last Ti mod of 2015!   :cheers:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom507/IMG_1727.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on January 01, 2016, 04:36:47 PM
Nice  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 01, 2016, 05:08:02 PM
Interesting tool setup on that one

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 01, 2016, 05:18:16 PM
Interesting tool setup on that one

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Your SAKs are next up.  :D  On the bench waiting....  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 01, 2016, 05:19:13 PM
Interesting tool setup on that one

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Your SAKs are next up.  :D  On the bench waiting....  :salute:
Excellent   Can't wait to see pics

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on January 01, 2016, 05:27:45 PM
Interesting tool setup on that one

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Your SAKs are next up.  :D  On the bench waiting....  :salute:
Excellent   Can't wait to see pics

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What are you getting   :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 01, 2016, 06:07:04 PM
Interesting tool setup on that one

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Your SAKs are next up.  :D  On the bench waiting....  :salute:
Excellent   Can't wait to see pics

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What are you getting   ok:
My MechaRogue and Rogueneer are getting some work done.  Mostly the Rogueneer though.  Pics will show it all

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on January 01, 2016, 06:28:00 PM
Always so shiny and pretty. Little works of art. My hand polishing takes forever and doesn't seem to get as even of a finish. I may have to get a polishing wheel for my bench grinder.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on January 01, 2016, 11:53:30 PM
I finished this one up last night... the last Ti mod of 2015!   :cheers:

Is that a new config Syph? - Small blade and SD opposite the Phillips?? Or did I miss it earlier?
Nice one I like it  :D

Always so shiny and pretty. Little works of art.

Well said s1xty - Too true  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 02, 2016, 03:25:45 AM
I finished this one up last night... the last Ti mod of 2015!   :cheers:

Is that a new config Syph? - Small blade and SD opposite the Phillips?? Or did I miss it earlier?
Nice one I like it  :D


Ive done it a few times but its getting more requested.  Pretty compact way to have alot of tools when a small blade works for most cutting tasks anyhow.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 02, 2016, 03:51:07 AM
Interesting tool setup on that one

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Your SAKs are next up.  :D  On the bench waiting....  :salute:
Excellent   Can't wait to see pics

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What are you getting   ok:
My MechaRogue and Rogueneer are getting some work done.  Mostly the Rogueneer though.  Pics will show it all

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Tease!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 02, 2016, 03:54:30 AM
I finished this one up last night... the last Ti mod of 2015!   :cheers:

Is that a new config Syph? - Small blade and SD opposite the Phillips?? Or did I miss it earlier?
Nice one I like it  :D


Ive done it a few times but its getting more requested.  Pretty compact way to have alot of tools when a small blade works for most cutting tasks anyhow.

I was thinking this myself. Hardly ever find myself using my SAK blades because I carry a dedicated folder but having the small blade would work.for 99 percent of the cutting I do. In case one day all I had was this SAK on me.

Hardly ever use pliers though so would replace them with a saw and file. That would work right?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 02, 2016, 04:15:00 AM
Interesting tool setup on that one

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Your SAKs are next up.  :D  On the bench waiting....  :salute:
Excellent   Can't wait to see pics

Sent from my SM-G920R4 using Tapatalk

What are you getting   ok:
My MechaRogue and Rogueneer are getting some work done.  Mostly the Rogueneer though.  Pics will show it all

Sent from my SM-G920R4 using Tapatalk

Tease!


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: alexTOOL on January 02, 2016, 01:36:50 PM
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom507/IMG_1727.jpg)

Nice but I would prefer the combo tool instead the bottle opener...  :pok: :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on January 02, 2016, 06:17:06 PM
I finished this one up last night... the last Ti mod of 2015!   :cheers:

Is that a new config Syph? - Small blade and SD opposite the Phillips?? Or did I miss it earlier?
Nice one I like it  :D


Ive done it a few times but its getting more requested.  Pretty compact way to have alot of tools when a small blade works for most cutting tasks anyhow.

I was thinking this myself. Hardly ever find myself using my SAK blades because I carry a dedicated folder but having the small blade would work.for 99 percent of the cutting I do. In case one day all I had was this SAK on me.

Hardly ever use pliers though so would replace them with a saw and file. That would work right?
Yep. Trying to have Syph make me a small blade only special configuration as well.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 02, 2016, 07:06:51 PM
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom507/IMG_1727.jpg)

Nice but I would prefer the combo tool instead the bottle opener...  :pok: :D

Would that fit?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 04, 2016, 10:12:46 PM
This one I started before the new year but was waiting on the donor to arrive to finish assembly.   The cybertool donors are pricey, I cant ever seem to find them for any less than 90 on amazon.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom508/IMG_1760.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom508/IMG_1798.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on January 04, 2016, 10:30:26 PM
Sweet !
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 07, 2016, 09:07:03 PM
I guess my adventures in alox have wound down, but Im happily adventuring in Ti instead.  Its just so darn tough and strong I see why most knife makers love it.

Here is a Monrogue model all done.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom509/IMG_1823.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom509/IMG_1863.jpg)

I love the look of the copper cross with the matte gray Ti...  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 07, 2016, 09:34:02 PM
Nice job Syph, hey Monrogue I bet your like :drool: now the worst part, downtime! lol
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 07, 2016, 09:36:56 PM
Monrogue asked that you send it to me Robert.

Something about not being able to handle it and he knows I am the man that can.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 07, 2016, 09:54:56 PM
I guess my adventures in alox have wound down, but Im happily adventuring in Ti instead.  Its just do darn tough and strong I see why most knife makers love it.

Here is a Monrogue model all done.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom509/IMG_1823.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom509/IMG_1832.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom509/IMG_1836.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom509/IMG_1841.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom509/IMG_1846.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom509/IMG_1864.jpg)

I love the look of the copper cross with the matte gray Ti...  :tu:
Yeah, that's a damn nice Rogueneer right there.  Excellent work my friend :salute:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 07, 2016, 09:56:15 PM
Nice job Syph, hey Monrogue I bet your like :drool: now the worst part, downtime! lol
JR
Yup :)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 07, 2016, 09:56:59 PM
Monrogue asked that you send it to me Robert.

Something about not being able to handle it and he knows I am the man that can.
Hahahaaaa!  I think not my dear Harley :twak:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Boaz on January 07, 2016, 10:30:23 PM
Another lovely job. Nice one.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 07, 2016, 10:31:18 PM
Here is something a bit different.  Just a two layer SAK but the customer wanted a keyring on there too.  Normally that is in the blade layer, but since there is no blade layer I had to figure something else out.   

I ended up milling some off the end of the pliers spring and then riveting the keyring piece on that.  I used 2 rivets and I think its on there solid enough.

I suppose I could have hand cut a custom liner with the keyring build into that, but that felt like more work then this method... maybe it would have been similar though.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom510/IMG_1911.jpg)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 07, 2016, 11:04:43 PM
That's an interesting choice of tool loadout for a SAK.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on January 07, 2016, 11:39:36 PM
I'm jelly Monrogue!  :tu: :drool: :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on January 08, 2016, 12:11:34 AM
Here is something a bit different.  Just a two layer SAK but the customer wanted a keyring on there too.  Normally that is in the blade layer, but since there is no blade layer I had to figure something else out.   

I ended up milling some off the end of the pliers spring and then riveting the keyring piece on that.  I used 2 rivets and I think its on there solid enough.

Great work as always Syph in the "Adventures into Ti" thread - Amazing and ingenious approach to your build challenges once again.
Was the new KR originally from a liner or spring?

I like the way you cut (milled) out a wee hole for the pliers pivot.
However if you had put the tools the other way round maybe that would not have been necessary?
Or even reversed the pliers - But I guess the spring would not work then?

One general comment for everyone...

I love all these variations and mods - And obvioulsy the scales are something very special, different and new.
But it still amazes me that folk want such variations in the toolsets
I just think there are so many options with the catalogue models - Why not just go with one of those  ???
I know you do Syph!! As does Def and many others here?

And often with these variations - I think folk are missing out on tools
Eg this one - No blade or operners - I cannot imagine a SAK without those  ???
Or the Rogueneer - No saw? - Why not take that too?? :o


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 08, 2016, 12:20:32 AM
I'm jelly Monrogue!  :tu: :drool: :ahhh
Thanks

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 08, 2016, 12:26:56 AM
Here is something a bit different.  Just a two layer SAK but the customer wanted a keyring on there too.  Normally that is in the blade layer, but since there is no blade layer I had to figure something else out.   

I ended up milling some off the end of the pliers spring and then riveting the keyring piece on that.  I used 2 rivets and I think its on there solid enough.

Great work as always Syph in the "Adventures into Ti" thread - Amazing and ingenious approach to your build challenges once again.
Was the new KR originally from a liner or spring?

I like the way you cut (milled) out a wee hole for the pliers pivot.
However if you had put the tools the other way round maybe that would not have been necessary?
Or even reversed the pliers - But I guess the spring would not work then?

One general comment for everyone...

I love all these variations and mods - And obvioulsy the scales are something very special, different and new.
But it still amazes me that folk want such variations in the toolsets
I just think there are so many options with the catalogue models - Why not just go with one of those  ???
I know you do Syph!! As does Def and many others here?

And often with these variations - I think folk are missing out on tools
Eg this one - No blade or operners - I cannot imagine a SAK without those  ???
Or the Rogueneer - No saw? - Why not take that too?? :o
I guess I like to be different
I don't use a wood saw, and prefer it to be on my MT if I do have one.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: batosai117 on January 08, 2016, 01:20:24 AM


Yeah, that's a damn nice Rogueneer right there.  Excellent work my friend :salute:

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Now you must dub it the Ti Rogueneer when referencing the Rogueneer hereinafter today


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 08, 2016, 01:25:56 AM


Yeah, that's a damn nice Rogueneer right there.  Excellent work my friend :salute:

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Now you must dub it the Ti Rogueneer when referencing the Rogueneer hereinafter today


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I agree.  That or Rogueneer Ti :think:  Either one sounds good.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on January 08, 2016, 01:49:42 AM
TiRogueneer has a nice ring to it  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 08, 2016, 02:47:48 AM
TiRogueneer has a nice ring to it  :tu:


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on January 08, 2016, 03:01:51 AM
Here is something a bit different.  Just a two layer SAK but the customer wanted a keyring on there too.  Normally that is in the blade layer, but since there is no blade layer I had to figure something else out.   

I ended up milling some off the end of the pliers spring and then riveting the keyring piece on that.  I used 2 rivets and I think its on there solid enough.

I suppose I could have hand cut a custom liner with the keyring build into that, but that felt like more work then this method... maybe it would have been similar though.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom510/IMG_1911.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom510/IMG_1909.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom510/IMG_1889.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom510/IMG_1893.jpg)


Oh man. I love the scissor and plier only setup.  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 08, 2016, 05:31:36 AM
Here is something a bit different.  Just a two layer SAK but the customer wanted a keyring on there too.  Normally that is in the blade layer, but since there is no blade layer I had to figure something else out.   

I ended up milling some off the end of the pliers spring and then riveting the keyring piece on that.  I used 2 rivets and I think its on there solid enough.

Great work as always Syph in the "Adventures into Ti" thread - Amazing and ingenious approach to your build challenges once again.
Was the new KR originally from a liner or spring?

I like the way you cut (milled) out a wee hole for the pliers pivot.
However if you had put the tools the other way round maybe that would not have been necessary?
Or even reversed the pliers - But I guess the spring would not work then?

One general comment for everyone...

I love all these variations and mods - And obvioulsy the scales are something very special, different and new.
But it still amazes me that folk want such variations in the toolsets
I just think there are so many options with the catalogue models - Why not just go with one of those  ???
I know you do Syph!! As does Def and many others here?

And often with these variations - I think folk are missing out on tools
Eg this one - No blade or operners - I cannot imagine a SAK without those  ???
Or the Rogueneer - No saw? - Why not take that too?? :o

Ya Ive been doing the cutout on the scale adjacent to the plier to avoid having to have a liner there and since the scale is Ti, its plenty strong with some milled out.  I had to do it this way as if I swapped the layers the scissors nail nick is blocked.

It is interesting to see how many different model configurations people come up with.  There has definitely been an increase in the bladeless ones requested lately.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on January 08, 2016, 07:05:48 AM
Syph, you're really turning out some great mods lately (well, you always are)!

I hope you don't mind me asking a couple questions in your thread as I'm stuck on a decision for my hopeful custom order.  Any word on Ti liners?  Do the Ti liners make it much stronger?  Do the Ti liners make the tools harder to open?  You mentioned you had the nickel silver liners.  Is one option better than the other or just trade offs of pros and cons?  I keep debating back and forth but I don't know the answers so I'm caught in my own logic loop!  :ahhh

And if you're turning out Swiss Army Knives without knives, are they Swiss Army Tools (SATs) or something else?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 08, 2016, 06:37:59 PM
Monrogue likes lots of tools on his SAKs. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom511/IMG_1917.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom511/IMG_1921.jpg)

Here is the front side....

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom511/IMG_1932.jpg)

And the other front side.... :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom511/IMG_1935.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 08, 2016, 07:07:58 PM
There's my precious beast
Technically I have two precious beasts now....thanks Syph

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on January 08, 2016, 07:19:14 PM
As always awesome customs  :tu:

Monrogue great SAKs  8)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 08, 2016, 07:32:11 PM
As always awesome customs  :tu:

Monrogue great SAKs  8)
Thanks man!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on January 08, 2016, 08:31:33 PM
As always awesome customs  :tu:

Monrogue great SAKs  8)

+1 very nice indeed  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 08, 2016, 08:32:29 PM
As always awesome customs  :tu:

Monrogue great SAKs  8)

+1 very nice indeed  :tu:
Thanks!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 12, 2016, 06:35:35 PM
It's been awhile since I had to figure out how to fit a tool in a new spot, but a challenge came up to fit a bottle opener and mag glass together on a 91. 

Normally I say its not possible, not because its really not possible, but because its a huge pain to do since all the backsprings on 91s are highly specific to the tool they use.

Well I got it to work, but the standard 91mm bottle opener didnt have enough metal for me to reshape so I just used one from a 93mm which is thicker anyhow.

I had to relocate the pivot hole and make a weird stepped grind on the back side, but the darn thing actually works and even in the half stop position! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_1945.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_1952.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_1960.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_1973.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: alexTOOL on January 12, 2016, 07:37:34 PM
Oh man. I love the scissor and plier only setup.  :drool:

It is nice, but expensive, heavy and non practical (scissors inside a SAK and pliers with no cutting power)

Better, cheaper, lighter, and smaller these two combined.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_8waRjQi4w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3dzpfjobKU
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 12, 2016, 08:38:31 PM
Here's what the layer looks like in the finished knife.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom512/IMG_2017.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on January 12, 2016, 08:55:54 PM
Here's what the layer looks like in the finished knife.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom512/IMG_1992.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom512/IMG_1997.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom512/IMG_2001.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom512/IMG_2008.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom512/IMG_2017.jpg)

Unconventional, nice tool set. Now, if only the mag glass frame wouldn't be plastic... :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 12, 2016, 09:04:00 PM
Here's what the layer looks like in the finished knife.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom512/IMG_1992.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom512/IMG_1997.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom512/IMG_2001.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom512/IMG_2008.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom512/IMG_2017.jpg)

Unconventional, nice tool set. Now, if only the mag glass frame wouldn't be plastic... :pok:

I know I know!  I was going to hand cut one from brass as a test, but its so annoying to hand cut a circle its never perfect.  I think I will just gamble some money on a small waterjet run of them in brass.   
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 12, 2016, 09:23:10 PM
That's an odd choice of implements, but cool nonetheless

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on January 12, 2016, 09:53:35 PM
Here's what the layer looks like in the finished knife.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom512/IMG_1992.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom512/IMG_1997.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom512/IMG_2001.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom512/IMG_2008.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom512/IMG_2017.jpg)

Unconventional, nice tool set. Now, if only the mag glass frame wouldn't be plastic... ok:

I know I know!  I was going to hand cut one from brass as a test, but its so annoying to hand cut a circle its never perfect.  I think I will just gamble some money on a small waterjet run of them in brass.
Well, you know that I'll take a couple, also my Balloonist needs to become reality, and people will jump on the brass mag, once it's a thing.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sheradin on January 13, 2016, 12:07:56 AM
I'll HAPPILY, and politely, ask for one for retrofit if you do a small run of the brass mag glass holders, Syph...  :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: neillcurrie on January 13, 2016, 02:45:13 PM
Put me down for at least one Brass Mag Glass holder too please !!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: chivaceae on January 13, 2016, 03:27:20 PM
Robert,

Should you have a run of brass mag glass holders, please put me down for 2. Along with the scissors, the mag glass is my second most used tool in my SAKs (>50 y/o eyes demand these!)

Raul
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 13, 2016, 03:35:43 PM
Ok, I will order a piece of brass to get cut for the mag glass holder.

Its $100 for a square foot of 0.125" 464 (naval brass, it's harder than cartridge brass and would be better for this purpose) so Ive been reluctant, but im sure there are others who would like to upgrade from the plastic as well.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on January 13, 2016, 05:10:40 PM
Here is something a bit different.  Just a two layer SAK but the customer wanted a keyring on there too.  Normally that is in the blade layer, but since there is no blade layer I had to figure something else out.   

I ended up milling some off the end of the pliers spring and then riveting the keyring piece on that.  I used 2 rivets and I think its on there solid enough.

Great work as always Syph in the "Adventures into Ti" thread - Amazing and ingenious approach to your build challenges once again.
Was the new KR originally from a liner or spring?

I like the way you cut (milled) out a wee hole for the pliers pivot.
However if you had put the tools the other way round maybe that would not have been necessary?
Or even reversed the pliers - But I guess the spring would not work then?

One general comment for everyone...

I love all these variations and mods - And obvioulsy the scales are something very special, different and new.
But it still amazes me that folk want such variations in the toolsets
I just think there are so many options with the catalogue models - Why not just go with one of those  ???
I know you do Syph!! As does Def and many others here?

And often with these variations - I think folk are missing out on tools
Eg this one - No blade or operners - I cannot imagine a SAK without those  ???
Or the Rogueneer - No saw? - Why not take that too?? :o

I think that quite a few of Syph's customs end up with people around here or at least with a great interest in knives and tools and will end up with people carrying dedicated folders or even fixed blade knives making a SAK blade redundant. As for the "why not this tool too" that's more of a less is more kind of deal I guess. I know I work along those lines when it comes to SAKs. Only the most useful of tools on the SAK (+corkscrew for how much it's worth it once you really need it). Drivers, scissors and pliers goes on a larger tool that won't get pocket carry.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on January 13, 2016, 05:31:38 PM
Ok, I will order a piece of brass to get cut for the mag glass holder.

Its $100 for a square foot of 0.125" 464 (naval brass, it's harder than cartridge brass and would be better for this purpose) so Ive been reluctant, but im sure there are others who would like to upgrade from the plastic as well.
Awesome. Thank you!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on January 14, 2016, 02:45:54 PM
There's my precious beast
Technically I have two precious beasts now....thanks Syph

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Hey Monrogue...just curious....why the fishscaler?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 14, 2016, 07:17:34 PM
Well this is what I get for not being organized... I already had some brass the right thickness for mag glasses.  Just 6 sq inches, but thats enough for a bunch of test pieces.  Dropping it off tomorrow for waterjet along with another big hunk of Ti for more scales. 

The orders for 91mm Ti have really taken off and by far is the most requested mod now, so I need more of those.  I'll do up some wrench scales for that size as well as people have requested those.  Also I quickly ran out of the backscales with no tool cutout as the number of bladeless mods has been up alot.

I'm also about ready to pull the trigger on a tormach 440.  I need to level up my capabilities and be able to offer custom engraving.  Blowing 10k at once is scary though but if I dont do it now, I know I will regret it later on.  I can then do some precise machining like making Ti scales for 58s with the area milled out for the sliding pen mechanism, which I know will be popular.  I have 50 + of those pen things here and I could offer those milled into the 91/93 mm size as well.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on January 14, 2016, 07:50:13 PM
Now that is very interesting, particularly as someone looking for engraving and who appreciates the 58mm pen.  Not a practical purchase for one off modders, but with your volume, I could see it adding a lot of flexibility and allowing faster turn around times.

I'm excited to see what you can accomplish with this level of tooling.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 14, 2016, 08:19:52 PM
And this morning's work was a Ti super tinker with copper cross and brass liners.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom513/IMG_2024.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom513/IMG_2043.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom513/IMG_2058.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom513/IMG_2062.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 14, 2016, 08:31:08 PM
There's my precious beast
Technically I have two precious beasts now....thanks Syph

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Hey Monrogue...just curious....why the fishscaler?
I used to have it on a previous SAK, and once I got a Swisschamp, I realized how much I like it.  It's a great back scratcher for those just out of reach spots, which is a frequent use for me.  It's a great misc type tool overall IMO

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on January 16, 2016, 12:52:16 PM
Would it be possible to make 91mm or 93 mm Ti scales with the large pen?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 16, 2016, 03:19:47 PM
Would it be possible to make 91mm or 93 mm Ti scales with the large pen?

Maybe but then an extra liner between the scale and tools would be needed.  I might be able to add it in the same spot as i do tweezers now but the oen is very thick and wouldnt leave much scale thickness left.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on January 18, 2016, 05:54:59 PM
Syph - I know the 91mm opener backspring isn't too flexible, making tools swaps hard. But I don't remeber you ever talking about the blade backspring. Could small blade + combo tool or small blade + can opener fit on the blade backspring?
 :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 18, 2016, 08:25:55 PM
Syph - I know the 91mm opener backspring isn't too flexible, making tools swaps hard. But I don't remeber you ever talking about the blade backspring. Could small blade + combo tool or small blade + can opener fit on the blade backspring?
 :tu:

Hmm yes i think that would work.  Could even do bottle opener in place of large blade.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 22, 2016, 11:47:24 PM
Brass mag glass holders should be ready next week.  Im having another big hunk of Ti cut up as well for 84mm and 91mm scales.  I did 2 version of scale wrenches for 91s too.  A new design that I will explain when I have them back.  It will handle both metric and imperial nuts.

Still some alox modding going on here too... :D   

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom515/IMG_2154.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom515/IMG_2181.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom515/IMG_2189.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom515/IMG_2206.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on January 22, 2016, 11:51:00 PM
 :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on January 23, 2016, 12:04:41 AM
What he said ^ :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 23, 2016, 12:08:31 AM
Yeah, I would be tempted to have that done to my OC Pioneer, minus the clip.  Very nice

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Boaz on January 23, 2016, 12:40:28 AM
Very nice, likes like a factory job
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Post by: SAK Guy on January 23, 2016, 01:19:45 AM
Brass mag glass holders should be ready next week.  Im having another big hunk of Ti cut up as well for 84mm and 91mm scales.  I did 2 version of scale wrenches for 91s too.  A new design that I will explain when I have them back.  It will handle both metric and imperial nuts.

Still some alox modding going on here too... :D   

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom515/IMG_2154.jpg)


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom515/IMG_2181.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom515/IMG_2189.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom515/IMG_2206.jpg)

Now we're talking!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ1UdYOrR3E
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on January 23, 2016, 01:25:12 AM
^  LOL !
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 27, 2016, 07:23:04 PM
Ok this is definitely the thinnest alox mod Ive ever done.   

Alox swiss army file.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom511/IMG_2327.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom511/IMG_2329.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom511/IMG_2342.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom511/IMG_2333.jpg)

The only challenge part here was to get a keyring on there. I milled off 0.040" in the shape of the keyring part and riveted it to the spring.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom511/IMG_2349.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: m47mu74nt on January 27, 2016, 07:26:47 PM
Not sure about the point of a file-only SAK, but it definitely looks great !
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 27, 2016, 07:28:35 PM
Not sure about the point of a file-only SAK, but it definitely looks great !

Customer wanted it, so I built it.  :D  Not sure exactly why he only wanted the file.  Maybe its the prison escape model.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: batosai117 on January 27, 2016, 08:11:50 PM

Not sure about the point of a file-only SAK, but it definitely looks great !

Customer wanted it, so I built it.  :D  Not sure exactly why he only wanted the file.  Maybe its the prison escape model.

We shall dub it the Shawshank model


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Post by: Boaz on January 27, 2016, 08:23:59 PM
Whatever the reason it looks very stylish.
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Post by: Aloha on January 27, 2016, 08:26:23 PM
Interesting to say the least.  I am a big fan of the SAK file myself but file only  :think:.  Neat to see what your customers request. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 27, 2016, 08:40:37 PM

Not sure about the point of a file-only SAK, but it definitely looks great !

Customer wanted it, so I built it.  :D  Not sure exactly why he only wanted the file.  Maybe its the prison escape model.

We shall dub it the Shawshank model


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Perfect name

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 28, 2016, 05:01:10 PM
Not sure about the point of a file-only SAK, but it definitely looks great !

Customer wanted it, so I built it.  :D  Not sure exactly why he only wanted the file.  Maybe its the prison escape model.

I would think someone who uses a file a lot everyday and a SAK with just a file would be lighter and feel better in hand.

Just wonder why not just use a regular file if that's the case. Maybe portability? Showing off to his or her filing buddies?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 28, 2016, 10:05:15 PM
Some vanilla alox today... :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom516/IMG_2381.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom516/IMG_2360.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom516/IMG_2369.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on January 28, 2016, 11:41:48 PM
Hey Syph - do the pocket clip screws just go in to the alox scales, and that provides a good enough bite, or is there more to it? What do you do, just pre drill a hole that's a little smaller?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 29, 2016, 12:50:11 AM
Hey Syph - do the pocket clip screws just go in to the alox scales, and that provides a good enough bite, or is there more to it? What do you do, just pre drill a hole that's a little smaller?

Oh yes the screws hold well.  For a 2-56 thread in aluminum you drill a #51 hole and tap.  In Ti I do a larger hole since it is significantly tougher material the threads dont need to be as deep to hold, and I actually only tap half way through the scale.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sheradin on January 29, 2016, 01:23:04 AM
That was some pretty fast turnaround time on your brass mag glass frames! Can't wait to see the finished product...   :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on January 29, 2016, 10:53:09 AM
We shall dub it the Shawshank model

OK ...... OCD kicking in  :(  :o

Didn't he escape using a geologist's hammer - not a file  ???

Still love the name though  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: batosai117 on January 29, 2016, 01:34:54 PM

We shall dub it the Shawshank model

OK ...... OCD kicking in  :(  :o

Didn't he escape using a geologist's hammer - not a file  ???

Still love the name though  :tu:

This is true. But I couldn't think of any other good prison title to go with the file, lol. Perhaps the "Alcatraz" would work too


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on January 29, 2016, 08:41:14 PM
The Great Escape Artist?  Too long?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 02, 2016, 05:04:20 PM
Brass mag glass holders are ready for pickup!!!  Im heading over now to get them, and the new 91mm Ti scales.  :D

Will post pics in a few hours (It's the next city over, but not too far)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sheradin on February 02, 2016, 05:35:07 PM
Woo Hoo!!!   :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on February 02, 2016, 07:32:13 PM
Any word on the Marlin Spike parts you were working on?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 02, 2016, 07:47:58 PM
Any word on the Marlin Spike parts you were working on?

I was going to run those next, but I was almost out of Ti scales for 91s, so I really needed those more.  I'm doing the marlin spikes next for sure.  Its just a pricey job since the hunk of steel I bought is large, so its going to be about $700 for cut cost, but that will give me about 200 spikes. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 02, 2016, 10:48:30 PM
Lots of parts!  :D 

111 Ti scales, mostly 91s, some 84s, and 2 new types of wrench scales that thankfully work much much better than last design.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2494.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2505.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2499.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on February 02, 2016, 11:59:01 PM
:drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: alexTOOL on February 03, 2016, 12:24:04 AM
Lots of parts!  :D 

111 Ti scales, mostly 91s, some 84s, and 2 new types of wrench scales that thankfully work much much better than last design.



At last!!!  :gimme: :gimme: :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on February 03, 2016, 12:39:22 AM
Oh smurf yea!
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Post by: Demel on February 03, 2016, 12:45:40 AM
It's really amazing to see the endless configurations that poeple  want. Great job Syph. :hatsoff: What is your process for official orders?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 03, 2016, 01:32:08 AM
It's really amazing to see the endless configurations that poeple  want. Great job Syph. :hatsoff: What is your process for official orders?

Yes, the funny this is, if it was up to me I would probably only build a few configurations.  But Ive found that people really have different ideas about what a tool should have for them.  So being flexible and providing as many options as possible is the main reason I think I still get alot of orders. 

If you want a quote on something just shoot me a PM or email.  I keep a list of orders and work on them in order.  Im not running too far behind any more, probably 2-3 week lead time as long as Ive got the parts in stock.  The nice thing about mostly doing Ti work is that it's easier for me to keep a stock of scales, and for donor SAKs I keep checking amazon or other places and order a bunch of donors when they go on sale.

I think the brass mag holders will work out nice, but the cost per part is creeping up and I haven't added the labor yet to do the finish work and tap for set screw.  I only got 19 out of 6 square inches of brass.  The cost for the brass + waterjet puts me at 9 bucks per part so far.   Im going to finish one up in the morning and figure out how much labor is involved for finish work.  The pieces are 0.125" thick and I have to shave them down to 0.110", then sand and polish and tap a 2-56 hole in there. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sheradin on February 03, 2016, 04:18:40 AM
Not that we use the current plastic frames as prybars, but the sturdiness afforded by the brass, combined with the ability to replace the lens, will personally add a level of confidence in it's use that the plastic just doesn't give. Plus, the cool factor is just off the chart...   :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on February 03, 2016, 05:20:03 PM
Lots of parts!  :D 

111 Ti scales, mostly 91s, some 84s, and 2 new types of wrench scales that thankfully work much much better than last design.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2494.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2505.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2499.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: filleep on February 03, 2016, 07:10:56 PM

I think the brass mag holders will work out nice, but the cost per part is creeping up and I haven't added the labor yet to do the finish work and tap for set screw.  I only got 19 out of 6 square inches of brass.  The cost for the brass + waterjet puts me at 9 bucks per part so far.   Im going to finish one up in the morning and figure out how much labor is involved for finish work.  The pieces are 0.125" thick and I have to shave them down to 0.110", then sand and polish and tap a 2-56 hole in there.
Dangerous, I thought the one of your Ti models I got would be that "last knife I ever need"; but with the possibility of a brass lens- I'm weakening again.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 03, 2016, 09:02:40 PM
Oh smurf yea!

This.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on February 04, 2016, 04:57:29 PM
First time poster here. Been lurking for a few months, checking in regularly following Syph007's work. Absolutely phenomenal ingenuity and craftsmanship.  :2tu:

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 04, 2016, 06:03:17 PM
First time poster here. Been lurking for a few months, checking in regularly following Syph007's work. Absolutely phenomenal ingenuity and craftsmanship.  :2tu:

Thanks for the kind words and welcome to the forum!

I'm working on the brass mag holders today.  So far so good.  I dont have an allen key small enough for the set screws I bought though, so I have to go hunting for smaller ones now.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_20160204_105933.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_20160204_111929.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Boaz on February 04, 2016, 07:06:33 PM
Nice to see the progress, I'm looking forward to the end result.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 04, 2016, 07:18:06 PM
I need a 0.035" wide hex key, which is smaller than all the local stores carry, so I had to order a precision set off amazon.  Another thing I have to wait for.. but at least I have everything else I need and I just test fit the lens and its perfect.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on February 04, 2016, 07:20:50 PM
First time poster here. Been lurking for a few months, checking in regularly following Syph007's work. Absolutely phenomenal ingenuity and craftsmanship.  :2tu:

Thanks for the kind words and welcome to the forum!

I'm working on the brass mag holders today.  So far so good.  I dont have an allen key small enough for the set screws I bought though, so I have to go hunting for smaller ones now.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_20160204_105933.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_20160204_111929.jpg)

I know you like quality stuff so I highly suggest getting the Wiha brand. I have both sets and they are amazing.


http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-35393-L-Key-Plastic-Holder/dp/B013ENA5TA/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1454609895&sr=8-10&keywords=wiha+allen+wrench+set

http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-35392-5-piece-Metric-Molded/dp/B013EOSYQU/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1454609895&sr=8-13&keywords=wiha+allen+wrench+set


I believe they sell them at Home Depot. If you cannot find those Bondhus is the next best in my opinion. They can also be found at Home Depot.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on February 04, 2016, 07:22:37 PM
I need a 0.035" wide hex key, which is smaller than all the local stores carry, so I had to order a precision set off amazon.  Another thing I have to wait for.. but at least I have everything else I need and I just test fit the lens and its perfect.

The Wiha metric set has one size under what you need as well. Goes down to 0.028.  :tu:

I know you already ordered a different set, but just in case.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 04, 2016, 07:49:05 PM
I need a 0.035" wide hex key, which is smaller than all the local stores carry, so I had to order a precision set off amazon.  Another thing I have to wait for.. but at least I have everything else I need and I just test fit the lens and its perfect.

The Wiha metric set has one size under what you need as well. Goes down to 0.028.  :tu:

I know you already ordered a different set, but just in case.

I checked lowes and home depot but they didnt have sets that went small enough.  I might just go see if I can mill/grind a tiny drill bit or something to see if I can make a good nuff one for now just so I can get one finished.

Im sure more then a few people would go for a steampunk yeoman/explorer or similar.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on February 04, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
I need a 0.035" wide hex key, which is smaller than all the local stores carry, so I had to order a precision set off amazon.  Another thing I have to wait for.. but at least I have everything else I need and I just test fit the lens and its perfect.

The Wiha metric set has one size under what you need as well. Goes down to 0.028.  :tu:

I know you already ordered a different set, but just in case.

I checked lowes and home depot but they didnt have sets that went small enough.  I might just go see if I can mill/grind a tiny drill bit or something to see if I can make a good nuff one for now just so I can get one finished.

Im sure more then a few people would go for a steampunk yeoman/explorer or similar.  :D
Indeed. Steampunk Yeoman would/will be an insta-hit!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on February 04, 2016, 09:19:02 PM
I need a 0.035" wide hex key, which is smaller than all the local stores carry, so I had to order a precision set off amazon.  Another thing I have to wait for.. but at least I have everything else I need and I just test fit the lens and its perfect.

The Wiha metric set has one size under what you need as well. Goes down to 0.028.  :tu:

I know you already ordered a different set, but just in case.

I checked lowes and home depot but they didnt have sets that went small enough.  I might just go see if I can mill/grind a tiny drill bit or something to see if I can make a good nuff one for now just so I can get one finished.

Im sure more then a few people would go for a steampunk yeoman/explorer or similar.  :D

That's a bummer. My Home Depot has them unless I am not thinking correctly.  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 04, 2016, 09:47:57 PM
Success!!

I just ground a small bit I had to make do, and it worked ok to turn the set screw.  I love this solution.  The only thing I would add now is a tiny bit of rubber or similar in the hole so the screw isnt pushing on the glass directly but pushing a small plug of plastic or rubber.

Now of course I have to test is on an actual SAK, but Im optimistic it will work out just fine.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Brass%20Mag/IMG_2542.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Brass%20Mag/IMG_2553.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Brass%20Mag/IMG_2565.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Brass%20Mag/IMG_2569.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Brass%20Mag/IMG_2576.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Brass%20Mag/IMG_2584.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Brass%20Mag/IMG_2585.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Brass%20Mag/IMG_2588.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Brass%20Mag/IMG_2607.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on February 04, 2016, 09:55:38 PM
Mmm shiny...
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Post by: Boaz on February 04, 2016, 09:58:02 PM
Looking good
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Post by: SAK Guy on February 04, 2016, 10:00:06 PM
Those are AWESOME!!!!!!  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on February 04, 2016, 11:31:52 PM
Those are AWESOME!!!!!!  :cheers:

+1
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Post by: windson on February 04, 2016, 11:35:47 PM
Nice to see the progress steps. Great job!

And while I also love the shiny, I do look forward to some patina on it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: twiliter on February 04, 2016, 11:48:27 PM
Those are AWESOME!!!!!!  :cheers:

+1

+1 Beautiful work Syph!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on February 05, 2016, 12:32:50 AM
Sweet!

How do you figure the wear against the back spring will be? I know the OEM mag holder was plastic, but - with this brass one being so cool - I'd expect alot more usage out of it! :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 05, 2016, 02:44:17 AM
That looks great Syph....and tempting :ahhh

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Post by: mrynnr on February 05, 2016, 02:49:20 AM

That looks great Syph....and tempting :ahhh

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do I see another upgrade in your future?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 05, 2016, 02:53:12 AM

That looks great Syph....and tempting :ahhh

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do I see another upgrade in your future?
Syph's an evil tempter
I just got them back, so I think my wife wouldn't be too pleased if I tried to get more work done ;)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 05, 2016, 03:03:34 AM
Well it looks like I need another custom Robert.

Sigh.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sheradin on February 05, 2016, 07:33:09 PM
Very very nice. I agree with windson that some parina will be wonderful!   :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on February 05, 2016, 10:01:46 PM
I like the design on those newest titanium scales. The bigger nuts are closer to the ends, equals more torque for those.

Those openings probably really help trim the weight of of the scale as well. What's the different between a full Ti scale and those with the bolt cut outs?

If someone had a knife made with two cutout scales - say, an older design that work right on fasteners - it would be much lighter and have a "skeletized" look. Might be a way to get rid of those scales.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: batosai117 on February 06, 2016, 05:10:31 AM
Email sent for custom request


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on February 09, 2016, 12:23:03 AM
A little birdie told me my wait is almost over for my mod!!!  :ahhh

Now, what to name it?  Hmmm . . .

Oddly enough, it is very similar to batosai117's Ti Toolbox and he posted right about me.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 09, 2016, 04:13:55 PM
Smooth sky blue Ti scales on this beauty.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/IMG_2643.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/IMG_2653.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/IMG_2715.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/IMG_2740.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on February 09, 2016, 04:22:01 PM
That is a beauty  :drool:
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 09, 2016, 05:12:41 PM
That is a beauty  :drool:

This.

Have you done or can you do other colors Robby?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on February 09, 2016, 05:16:51 PM
Smooth sky blue Ti scales on this beauty.  :D

WOOOOO!!! It's done!! That looks great! Now I have to try and forget about it until it gets here!

Thanks again, Bob!  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 09, 2016, 05:21:33 PM
I am sure this has been covered and that I am wasting valuable new Syph customs real estate so I will be brief.

Thinking up my next custom "brass mag glass" and have a question.

Not running a large blade. Can the bottle opener and small blade be a layer?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on February 09, 2016, 05:56:52 PM
The wife said she liked that blue color. That doesn't bode well.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 09, 2016, 05:58:54 PM
The wife said she liked that blue color. That doesn't bode well.

Or it could be a gateway and we would have another lady around here.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: filleep on February 09, 2016, 06:00:18 PM
 Lovely work, inspired selection of tools!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: m47mu74nt on February 09, 2016, 07:02:45 PM
Smooth sky blue Ti scales on this beauty.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/IMG_2643.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/IMG_2653.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/IMG_2715.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/IMG_2740.jpg)
:woohoo: :woohoo:  :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

I
Love
This
.


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on February 09, 2016, 08:41:47 PM
Lovely work, inspired selection of tools!

If I may, I came up with the tool selection based off of Syph's previous work and messing around with a variety of SAK models.  Ultimately this tool is designed to cut, put a hole through, and attach just about anything to anything in the smallest and simplest package.  I debated adding a wood saw, but I have used those so infrequently and the metal saw or knife could accomplish the same thing in a pinch.  There isn't much substitute for ways to cut metal so the metal saw was in.  Then I needed a standard flathead and phillips as those are some of my most frequently used tools.  I don't really use awls very often, but it is such a substantial and cool implement it had to be included.  It can also function as a backup blade if need be.

I'm sure Syph can tell you this was a while in the making with the amount of hemming and hawing I did on tool selection and configuration specifics.

Now, as for what I'll call it, I thought about the Engineer since it is designed to build things, but that is the unofficial name for an existing SAK limited run.  I may still call it that because I can.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: filleep on February 09, 2016, 08:58:21 PM
I'm with you regarding the metal saw, had Syph stick one on mine.
Another tool I hate to exclude is the can opener.
I think of it as a steel thumbnail; use it for all the unexpected fiddly scraping and prying that I used to damage knife blades with when younger.

Yours strikes a great balance of versatility without redundant bulk.
Enjoy it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 09, 2016, 09:00:08 PM
Smooth sky blue Ti scales on this beauty.  :D

WOOOOO!!! It's done!! That looks great! Now I have to try and forget about it until it gets here!

Thanks again, Bob!  :D
That's a beauty, enjoy

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on February 10, 2016, 08:39:01 PM
Crazy idea... That brass mag glass... on a... 58mm Ti Rambler/Vagabond/etc...

 :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 10, 2016, 09:26:05 PM
Crazy idea... That brass mag glass... on a... 58mm Ti Rambler/Vagabond/etc...

 :drool:

I had a request for that a year ago, and the project is back on.... it wont be on backsprings though as it will need the whole layer space.  But yes.. doable.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on February 10, 2016, 09:56:19 PM
Crazy idea... That brass mag glass... on a... 58mm Ti Rambler/Vagabond/etc...

 :drool:

I had a request for that a year ago, and the project is back on.... it wont be on backsprings though as it will need the whole layer space.  But yes.. doable.  :D
Curious as to what the back would look like.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on February 10, 2016, 10:32:50 PM
Lovely work, inspired selection of tools!

If I may, I came up with the tool selection based off of Syph's previous work and messing around with a variety of SAK models.  Ultimately this tool is designed to cut, put a hole through, and attach just about anything to anything in the smallest and simplest package.  I debated adding a wood saw, but I have used those so infrequently and the metal saw or knife could accomplish the same thing in a pinch.  There isn't much substitute for ways to cut metal so the metal saw was in.  Then I needed a standard flathead and phillips as those are some of my most frequently used tools.  I don't really use awls very often, but it is such a substantial and cool implement it had to be included.  It can also function as a backup blade if need be.

I'm sure Syph can tell you this was a while in the making with the amount of hemming and hawing I did on tool selection and configuration specifics.

Now, as for what I'll call it, I thought about the Engineer since it is designed to build things, but that is the unofficial name for an existing SAK limited run.  I may still call it that because I can.

Call it the Builder  :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on February 10, 2016, 10:37:57 PM
Call it the Builder  :)

Hmmm . . . interesting idea.

Maybe Maker? Inventor? Creator? Constructor? Operator?

So many choices.  What a problem to have.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 10, 2016, 10:40:21 PM
Crazy idea... That brass mag glass... on a... 58mm Ti Rambler/Vagabond/etc...

 :drool:

I had a request for that a year ago, and the project is back on.... it wont be on backsprings though as it will need the whole layer space.  But yes.. doable.  :D

Hack yes.

I need this on my Vagabond Robert.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on February 10, 2016, 11:14:03 PM
Call it the Builder  :)

Hmmm . . . interesting idea.

Maybe Maker? Inventor? Creator? Constructor? Operator?

So many choices.  What a problem to have.


I see where you're going........   Buildor    :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 11, 2016, 12:50:20 AM
Crazy idea... That brass mag glass... on a... 58mm Ti Rambler/Vagabond/etc...

 :drool:

I had a request for that a year ago, and the project is back on.... it wont be on backsprings though as it will need the whole layer space.  But yes.. doable.  :D
Curious as to what the back would look like.

Hmmm... maybe not a good fit...  I can tweak the holder but the lens is really too big. Hmmm... maybe with custom scales to accomodate the shape.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/path2999.png)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 11, 2016, 09:24:52 PM
 :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2752.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on February 11, 2016, 10:24:37 PM
:whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_2752.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 11, 2016, 10:52:12 PM
So I figured a yeoman would be a nice test build... and this is pretty blinged out.

- Ti-6-4 scales
- Copper cross
- Brass tweezers
- Brass liners and keyring holder
- Brass Mag glass holder

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom519/IMG_2773.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom519/IMG_2785.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom519/IMG_2801.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom519/IMG_2806.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom519/IMG_2825.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom519/IMG_2834.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom519/IMG_2842.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom519/IMG_2862.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Boaz on February 11, 2016, 11:02:13 PM
Very very nice job, I'm sure these will be in high demand. Nice one.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on February 12, 2016, 01:26:08 AM
That magnifying glass looks just as good as I thought it would.  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 12, 2016, 01:50:48 AM
Beautiful piece Syph :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on February 12, 2016, 03:47:03 AM
That is a beauty, Syph. 

It is amazing what you do with brass. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on February 17, 2016, 09:13:15 AM
 :drool:   :gimme:   :gimme:   Minus the key ring attachment.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on February 17, 2016, 04:57:45 PM
The brass and titanium is a great contrast. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 17, 2016, 10:37:47 PM
I call this one a compact with better backside tools, with the oops I forgot the customer wanted brass liner special.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom521/IMG_2962.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom521/IMG_2969.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom521/IMG_2973.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom521/IMG_2982.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom521/IMG_2998.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom521/IMG_3002.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom521/IMG_3004.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom521/IMG_3009.jpg)

Extreme closeup of tweezer head.  You cant even see the rivet.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom521/IMG_3011.jpg)

And.... soon I will have more capbilities.  I realized I will never have time to CNC convert my mill so I am ordering this little bad boy.  Im waiting on a freight quote to Canada then it's a go.  :D

(http://www.tormach.com/uploads/images/content_images/pcnc_440/Tormach_PCNC440_Main.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on February 17, 2016, 10:41:43 PM
Wow! to all of the above!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 18, 2016, 12:27:34 AM
WOW's right! That is like the perfect little pocket knife! :tu: good job!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Frailer on February 18, 2016, 12:50:15 AM
So I figured a yeoman would be a nice test build... and this is pretty blinged out...
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom519/IMG_2862.jpg)

This may be the most beautiful SAK I've ever seen.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on February 18, 2016, 01:12:22 AM
That is gorgeous.  Beautiful work!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on February 18, 2016, 01:20:31 AM
CNC :drool:

That's going to open up a lot of capability for you. Congrats! Looking forward to seeing what you do with it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 18, 2016, 01:25:00 AM
CNC :drool:

That's going to open up a lot of capability for you. Congrats! Looking forward to seeing what you do with it.

Yup Im excited!

Got the freight quote... only 750! :D  It is almost 900 lbs though.  I have no idea if thats a fair price or not, but I dont have many options.  I hope I can ebay off the conversion kit I bought for my other mill.

But I'll be one of the first, if not the first in Canada to get a 440. :D  I talked to some other Tormach owners and they assured me this machine will be plenty to do what I have planned.

Im going to put some effort in on the youtube content when I get this in and hopefully show off some cool stuff.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on February 18, 2016, 01:55:55 AM
I've looked at Tormachs on and off and the 440 seems to be extremely popular and capable.  Someday my workshop will be that level of cool, or so I hope.  Should do some amazing things.

If you're making a list of people that want pen capable 58mm knives, put me down!  I'd need the tweezers too.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 18, 2016, 02:18:01 AM
I've looked at Tormachs on and off and the 440 seems to be extremely popular and capable.  Someday my workshop will be that level of cool, or so I hope.  Should do some amazing things.

If you're making a list of people that want pen capable 58mm knives, put me down!  I'd need the tweezers too.

I want to make the little plastic thing for the pen from brass, and mill a pocket out of the Ti scales and have that option for any of the Ti scaled mods... oh baby.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sLaughterMed on February 18, 2016, 02:55:47 AM
I've looked at Tormachs on and off and the 440 seems to be extremely popular and capable.  Someday my workshop will be that level of cool, or so I hope.  Should do some amazing things.

If you're making a list of people that want pen capable 58mm knives, put me down!  I'd need the tweezers too.

I want to make the little plastic thing for the pen from brass, and mill a pocket out of the Ti scales and have that option for any of the Ti scaled mods... oh baby.
Does this mean we will start seeing toothpicks, tweezers and pens in your Ti scales soon? If you could give me Ti scales with a toothpick and pen slot.... I might have to give in.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 18, 2016, 03:35:01 AM
I've looked at Tormachs on and off and the 440 seems to be extremely popular and capable.  Someday my workshop will be that level of cool, or so I hope.  Should do some amazing things.

If you're making a list of people that want pen capable 58mm knives, put me down!  I'd need the tweezers too.

I want to make the little plastic thing for the pen from brass, and mill a pocket out of the Ti scales and have that option for any of the Ti scaled mods... oh baby.
Does this mean we will start seeing toothpicks, tweezers and pens in your Ti scales soon? If you could give me Ti scales with a toothpick and pen slot.... I might have to give in.

Yes absolutely.  And engraving of text and images on blades tools and scales.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sabre cat on February 18, 2016, 03:56:12 AM
Just finished the whole thread. All I can say is wow!

I can see a custom SAK in my future.  How about  a Pioneer with the awl removed and the bottle and can openers moved to the back side?

Something simple.

My first post BTW.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on February 18, 2016, 04:02:25 AM
Just finished the whole thread. All I can say is wow!

I can see a custom SAK in my future.  How about  a Pioneer with the awl removed and the bottle and opener moved to the back side?

Something simple.

My first post BTW.

Welcome to the forum mate.   :cheers: 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sLaughterMed on February 18, 2016, 04:13:00 AM
I've looked at Tormachs on and off and the 440 seems to be extremely popular and capable.  Someday my workshop will be that level of cool, or so I hope.  Should do some amazing things.

If you're making a list of people that want pen capable 58mm knives, put me down!  I'd need the tweezers too.

I want to make the little plastic thing for the pen from brass, and mill a pocket out of the Ti scales and have that option for any of the Ti scaled mods... oh baby.
Does this mean we will start seeing toothpicks, tweezers and pens in your Ti scales soon? If you could give me Ti scales with a toothpick and pen slot.... I might have to give in.

Yes absolutely.  And engraving of text and images on blades tools and scales.
:drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sabre cat on February 18, 2016, 04:19:09 AM
Just finished the whole thread. All I can say is wow!

I can see a custom SAK in my future.  How about  a Pioneer with the awl removed and the bottle and opener moved to the back side?

Something simple.

My first post BTW.

Welcome to the forum mate.   :cheers:


Thanks
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 18, 2016, 06:03:26 PM
Just finished the whole thread. All I can say is wow!

I can see a custom SAK in my future.  How about  a Pioneer with the awl removed and the bottle and can openers moved to the back side?

Something simple.

My first post BTW.

You should get a prize for making it through that long of a thread! :D

Welcome aboard!

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 18, 2016, 06:03:48 PM
Ti bantam was born today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom522/IMG_3017.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom522/IMG_3034.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 21, 2016, 11:50:21 PM
I get asked alot if I have any 'in stock' mods to sell and I never do.  So I decided that I should and that it would be a brass blinged out super tinker, so I started making 4.  It does go easier if you are doing multiples of things at the same time. 

I finished one and this will be my display model pics for when people ask.  This is my favorite of the Ti mods I do with brass accents and copper cross.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/TiSuperTinker/IMG_3079.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/TiSuperTinker/IMG_3090.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/TiSuperTinker/IMG_3097.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/TiSuperTinker/IMG_3108.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/TiSuperTinker/IMG_3117.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/TiSuperTinker/IMG_3126.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/TiSuperTinker/IMG_3131.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/TiSuperTinker/IMG_3154.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sir_mike on February 22, 2016, 12:27:50 AM
They are all great work!  I particularly like the Yeoman as I really like the inline philips and mag layer!   :drool:

Sometime I will have to force myself to get one!  Would there be any trouble with rust/corrosion or whatever on the brass liners after a period of time of ownership?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 22, 2016, 12:31:57 AM
They are all great work!  I particularly like the Yeoman as I really like the inline philips and mag layer!   :drool:

Sometime I will have to force myself to get one!  Would there be any trouble with rust/corrosion or whatever on the brass liners after a period of time of ownership?

They will dim over time, but can always be re-polished.  I use cartridge brass, the same stuff shell casings are made from, so Id expect it to look pretty similar over time.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on February 22, 2016, 12:32:47 AM
I get asked alot if I have any 'in stock' mods to sell and I never do.  So I decided that I should and that it would be a brass blinged out super tinker, so I started making 4.  It does go easier if you are doing multiples of things at the same time. 

I finished one and this will be my display model pics for when people ask.  This is my favorite of the Ti mods I do with brass accents and copper cross.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/TiSuperTinker/IMG_3079.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/TiSuperTinker/IMG_3090.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/TiSuperTinker/IMG_3097.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/TiSuperTinker/IMG_3108.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/TiSuperTinker/IMG_3117.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/TiSuperTinker/IMG_3126.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/TiSuperTinker/IMG_3131.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/TiSuperTinker/IMG_3154.jpg)

 :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 22, 2016, 01:39:40 AM
Very nice as always.  It's cool how the Ti mod business has really grown and looks to have overtaken the Alox.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 22, 2016, 02:20:03 AM
Very nice as always.  It's cool how the Ti mod business has really grown and looks to have overtaken the Alox.

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Yup i get some alox work still but Ti 91s are the new bread and butter for sure.  I just stripped 18 sets of scales today to go out for black hard anodize, but I dont get enough traffic on those to do other colors anymore.  So just black for alox.

Once I can machine an alox like texture on the Ti scales, I think that will be a hit for sure.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 22, 2016, 02:58:12 AM
Very nice as always.  It's cool how the Ti mod business has really grown and looks to have overtaken the Alox.

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Yup i get some alox work still but Ti 91s are the new bread and butter for sure.  I just stripped 18 sets of scales today to go out for black hard anodize, but I dont get enough traffic on those to do other colors anymore.  So just black for alox.

Once I can machine an alox like texture on the Ti scales, I think that will be a hit for sure.
Black's my favorite anyway ;)  I bet the Alox texture on Ti would be interesting :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on February 22, 2016, 05:55:31 AM
Oh man. Old Cross alox pattern on Ti would be extra amazing! You're determined to get more of my money!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on February 22, 2016, 08:06:49 PM
I wanted to share some pics of my recent Syph custom enjoying it's first beach outing.  Either calling it the Builder or Inventor.  Inventor seems more lofty and a name Vic would use but Builder sounds more like simple strength.  But I digress.

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/Inventor_Beach_1_20160220.jpg)

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/Inventor_Beach_2_20160220.jpg)

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/Inventor_Beach_3_20160220.jpg)

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/Inventor_Beach_4_20160220.jpg)

The color changes a lot with lighting due to the reflective surface.  So far it's doing all of my tasks without any hiccups.  Thanks again Bob for such great work!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on February 22, 2016, 08:55:12 PM
Builder  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tallowwaters on February 22, 2016, 11:13:45 PM
So is that a 93mm bottle opener?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on February 22, 2016, 11:21:11 PM
Thanks guys!  :tu:

Builder is tempting.  Just waiting for the right "feel".

And yes, that's a 93mm bottle opener.  In fact, it's a 93mm build.  The inline phillips and file/saw were added but it's a Pioneer otherwise.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 23, 2016, 01:25:20 AM
Awesome pics! 
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Post by: Syph007 on February 26, 2016, 02:31:40 AM
Another yeoman.  :D  This one has the brass cross on front.  It doenst show up as well as the copper crosses, so I think I will officially just suggest copper unless people have a strong preference for other. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom523/IMG_3201.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom523/IMG_3195.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom523/IMG_3234.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom523/IMG_3245.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom523/IMG_3246.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 26, 2016, 02:39:55 AM
I'm gonna want me one of those some day :drool:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: oldriver on February 26, 2016, 05:57:12 AM
I have also read this entire thread and am amazed at the work I see here.  I've sent some emails to see if I can commission some amazing work but fear my emails have found their way to spam. So would love to connect but I can't pm yet either.   I keep coming up with new variations of what I would like to get. Looking forward to connecting thanks  :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: batosai117 on February 26, 2016, 06:36:22 AM

I have also read this entire thread and am amazed at the work I see here.  I've sent some emails to see if I can commission some amazing work but fear my emails have found their way to spam. So would love to connect but I can't pm yet either.   I keep coming up with new variations of what I would like to get. Looking forward to connecting thanks  :pok:

No worries partner, Bob always responds eventually. I used to wonder the same thing but each time he pulled through


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on February 26, 2016, 08:47:12 AM
I have also read this entire thread and am amazed at the work I see here.  I've sent some emails to see if I can commission some amazing work but fear my emails have found their way to spam. So would love to connect but I can't pm yet either.   I keep coming up with new variations of what I would like to get. Looking forward to connecting thanks  :pok:

Welcome to the party mate.   :cheers:   Just throw a few more random comments out there and the PMs will be unlocked.   ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 26, 2016, 03:52:15 PM
I have also read this entire thread and am amazed at the work I see here.  I've sent some emails to see if I can commission some amazing work but fear my emails have found their way to spam. So would love to connect but I can't pm yet either.   I keep coming up with new variations of what I would like to get. Looking forward to connecting thanks  :pok:

Hey welcome aboard.  Im usually running behind on emails.  I get alot of email traffic and I do like to respond to each one, but often Im running a week behind at least.

Instagram is the fastest way to get ahold of me as Im usually on there and will respond to DMs pretty quick.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on February 26, 2016, 03:55:53 PM
Another yeoman.  :D  This one has the brass cross on front.  It doenst show up as well as the copper crosses, so I think I will officially just suggest copper unless people have a strong preference for other. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom523/IMG_3201.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom523/IMG_3195.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom523/IMG_3234.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom523/IMG_3245.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom523/IMG_3246.jpg)
The Corkscrew looks like it's blacked out and if it's just a photographic illusion, you should totally make one like that with the dark Ti scale. Three differently colored tools and still a harmonious composition.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 26, 2016, 04:06:52 PM
Another yeoman.  :D  This one has the brass cross on front.  It doenst show up as well as the copper crosses, so I think I will officially just suggest copper unless people have a strong preference for other. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom523/IMG_3201.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom523/IMG_3195.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom523/IMG_3234.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom523/IMG_3245.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom523/IMG_3246.jpg)
The Corkscrew looks like it's blacked out and if it's just a photographic illusion, you should totally make one like that with the dark Ti scale. Three differently colored tools and still a harmonious composition.

I think I do have BD'd corkscrews left from when I used to run BO.. I'll try that.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on February 26, 2016, 04:32:49 PM
Amazing work of art Syph! Any solutions on the tiny screwdriver that fits inside the corkscrew?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 26, 2016, 04:35:24 PM
Amazing work of art Syph! Any solutions on the tiny screwdriver that fits inside the corkscrew?

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Since im not a corkscrew fan I havent tried to reproduce that, but what I did start doing was convert the tiny screwdriver to remove the plastic and replace with brass handle and make it into a scale tool.  That way I can have a phillips on the backside and still have the tiny screwdriver.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on February 26, 2016, 04:55:48 PM
You totally need a 4th axis for your new mill so you can machine brass handles for the mini drivers. :pok: :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on February 26, 2016, 04:58:33 PM
So in a 91mm Alox or Ti scales we can have tweezers AND tiny screwdriver?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 26, 2016, 05:47:29 PM
So in a 91mm Alox or Ti scales we can have tweezers AND tiny screwdriver?

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That's the idea but i haven't tried yet.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: oldriver on February 27, 2016, 01:59:46 AM
thanks for the info guys.  No hurry Syph.  I have a feeling that with your new machine there are going to be so many new options to choose from.   

Does anyone have a cybertool 29 with a scissor?  I scoured the internet and have not seen anyone take a 29 and add just a scissor.   

And what can be put in place of the little blade.

The work that you do Syph is inspiring  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on February 27, 2016, 03:39:44 AM
Ooooh, blue titanium! :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on February 27, 2016, 03:53:23 AM
Any chance of doing the mag glass in stainless??
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sheradin on February 27, 2016, 01:53:04 PM
The Ti/ Brass Yeoman looks fantastic!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 27, 2016, 03:29:20 PM
Any chance of doing the mag glass in stainless??

Ive got no interest in that, but I will do another Ti version with a grafted on pivot area of a different metal so that it can open and close smoothly.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 28, 2016, 12:08:47 AM
Here's the first brass mag holder deployment on a 93mm frame.  :D 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom525/IMG_3305.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom525/IMG_3309.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom525/IMG_3346.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom525/IMG_3322.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom525/IMG_3278.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on February 28, 2016, 12:10:56 AM
Classy looking  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 28, 2016, 12:27:25 AM
Classy looking  :cheers:
+1

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on February 28, 2016, 05:58:52 PM
Any chance of doing the mag glass in stainless??

Some of the cheap knock-offs do this already, you should be able to get one cheap and see if you could transplant it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on February 28, 2016, 07:01:33 PM

Any chance of doing the mag glass in stainless??

Some of the cheap knock-offs do this already, you should be able to get one cheap and see if you could transplant it.

Tried that. Doesn't work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on February 28, 2016, 07:40:44 PM

Any chance of doing the mag glass in stainless??

Some of the cheap knock-offs do this already, you should be able to get one cheap and see if you could transplant it.

Tried that. Doesn't work.

Ah, ok, that's too bad.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 28, 2016, 08:41:41 PM
The best option for a silver mag glass woudl be to make one of nickel silver.  If you use non heat treated steel its going to not be smooth at all, and heat treating is a pain.  Brass and or nickel silver slide like butter though on SAK backsprings.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on February 28, 2016, 08:46:51 PM
Ok. Make some nickel silver :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 28, 2016, 09:08:28 PM
Ok. Make some nickel silver :pok:

Sure send me up a piece!  Its bloody expensive.  :D


http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=12535&step=4&showunits=inches&id=904&top_cat=79
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on February 28, 2016, 09:11:33 PM

Ok. Make some nickel silver :pok:

Sure send me up a piece!  Its bloody expensive.  :D


http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=12535&step=4&showunits=inches&id=904&top_cat=79

You never know ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 29, 2016, 03:06:52 AM
A fellow Canadian posted a video of his favorite instagram members... This guy's stuff looks familiar... :D

Once I the Tormach in I'm hitting youtube with a bunch of video content.  I keep meaning to do it but its something Ive been feeling guilty about not making use of.

At 18:45 :D

http://youtu.be/4vq_4d3fZPU
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on February 29, 2016, 03:12:29 AM
Awesome!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sLaughterMed on February 29, 2016, 04:20:47 AM
A fellow Canadian posted a video of his favorite instagram members... This guy's stuff looks familiar... :D

Once I the Tormach in I'm hitting youtube with a bunch of video content.  I keep meaning to do it but its something Ive been feeling guilty about not making use of.

At 18:45 :D

http://youtu.be/4vq_4d3fZPU

Nothing like free advertising :2tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 01, 2016, 05:12:44 PM
The bladeless ones are for sure growing in popularity.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom526/IMG_3350.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom526/IMG_3361.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom526/IMG_3365.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom526/IMG_3379.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom526/IMG_3384.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: OHIO on March 02, 2016, 08:35:03 PM
I've read up to page 30 and I'm curious as to what the liners are made of. Specifically the colored ones.
Just ordered some pivots and flat heads.  First project is going to be a solo.

I work in aerospace and have quite a bit of titanium at my disposal. Once you shape your scales do you heat treat them?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 02, 2016, 08:39:35 PM
Just a straight up conversion of an electrician today.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom527/IMG_3448.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom527/IMG_3441.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom527/IMG_3422.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom527/IMG_3429.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 02, 2016, 08:44:10 PM
I've read up to page 30 and I'm curious as to what the liners are made of. Specifically the colored ones.
Just ordered some pivots and flat heads.  First project is going to be a solo.

I work in aerospace and have quite a bit of titanium at my disposal. Once you shape your scales do you heat treat them?

I was anodizing aluminum liners to get some colors but those dont last super long and will chip eventually.  I mostly just stick to bare metals now, brass and nickel silver.

Ti liners you can anodize a few colors but again the problem of durability as the oxide coating is pretty thin.

No need to add any heat to Ti alloys for my purposes.  You actually want to avoid heat as it significantly hardens the material and makes drilling and tapping a chore.  This is why waterjet beats laser to cut out Ti parts, no heat issues.

The only times I can think heat would be needed is if you need to bend Ti alot, or to 'reset' the spring position of a Ti liner lock or lock bar, or if you are doing one of the chisel grind box cutter Ti blades, then you'd want it hard as possible.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: OHIO on March 02, 2016, 10:12:29 PM
Cool.  I've got an argon box to do a local heat treat if need be and I could always drill and type prior to heat treat.
I'll post some pics once I get done with my first.

Those pocket clips you've posted, the two hole ones. Are you making those or outside vendor?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 02, 2016, 11:08:20 PM
Cool.  I've got an argon box to do a local heat treat if need be and I could always drill and type prior to heat treat.
I'll post some pics once I get done with my first.

Those pocket clips you've posted, the two hole ones. Are you making those or outside vendor?

http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/index.php?cPath=60_101_379

 :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 08, 2016, 11:39:26 PM
I completed a Ti/brass conversion of a CT Lite today and forgot to post the in progress pics of liner making.

The CT layer and light module layer each needed 2 special liners of unique shape and also thicker than standard ones at 0.040" so I had to hand cut those.  Its good to be reminded now and then why waterjet rules for liner cutting.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom528/IMG_20160307_135912.jpg)

The cheat trick I do though is to only cut and polish the inside of the liners and leave a few mm large on all the back sides of the liners.  Then I make a Ti/brass sandwich and grind/polish them all together and then not only does it ensure the liners are all even with the scales, I dont have to hand cut those parts.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom528/IMG_20160307_125710.jpg)
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Post by: Syph007 on March 08, 2016, 11:51:22 PM
And here is the monster in all it's glory.  I lucked out and the pivots needed were exactly 1.000 inches, so I spliced 2 half inches ones together for each and didnt have to alter the length at all.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom528/IMG_3520.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom528/IMG_3525.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom528/IMG_3462.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom528/IMG_3487.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom528/IMG_3496.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom528/IMG_3537.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom528/IMG_3543.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom528/IMG_3571.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on March 09, 2016, 12:12:22 AM
A Beautiful Beast  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on March 09, 2016, 12:31:25 AM
Yes, that is a beautiful beast.

Me thinks you're going to have alot of calls for the brass mag holder and brass liners all polished up and shiny.

The weight must start to be a consideration when you get that thick. Ti scales instead of cellidor, brass liners instead of aluminum - plus all the tools. At some point the thickness and weight must work against comfortable EDC.

But - if that were my knife - I wouldn't notice the weight in my pocket much. Because I'd have it out showing it off all the time! :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 09, 2016, 12:40:42 AM
Yes, that is a beautiful beast.

Me thinks you're going to have alot of calls for the brass mag holder and brass liners all polished up and shiny.

The weight must start to be a consideration when you get that thick. Ti scales instead of cellidor, brass liners instead of aluminum - plus all the tools. At some point the thickness and weight must work against comfortable EDC.

But - if that were my knife - I wouldn't notice the weight in my pocket much. Because I'd have it out showing it off all the time! :rofl:

Oh yes it is a weighty one for sure.  I hope the owner was going to carry in a belt pouch.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 09, 2016, 12:46:54 AM
Yes, that is a beautiful beast.

Me thinks you're going to have alot of calls for the brass mag holder and brass liners all polished up and shiny.

The weight must start to be a consideration when you get that thick. Ti scales instead of cellidor, brass liners instead of aluminum - plus all the tools. At some point the thickness and weight must work against comfortable EDC.

But - if that were my knife - I wouldn't notice the weight in my pocket much. Because I'd have it out showing it off all the time! :rofl:

Oh yes it is a weighty one for sure.  I hope the owner was going to carry in a belt pouch.  :D
Omg, that's got to have some good weight to it! The belt pouch is one thing but he better have a good solid belt too!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 09, 2016, 12:50:32 AM
Yes, that is a beautiful beast.

Me thinks you're going to have alot of calls for the brass mag holder and brass liners all polished up and shiny.

The weight must start to be a consideration when you get that thick. Ti scales instead of cellidor, brass liners instead of aluminum - plus all the tools. At some point the thickness and weight must work against comfortable EDC.

But - if that were my knife - I wouldn't notice the weight in my pocket much. Because I'd have it out showing it off all the time! :rofl:

Oh yes it is a weighty one for sure.  I hope the owner was going to carry in a belt pouch.  :D
Omg, that's got to have some good weight to it! The belt pouch is one thing but he better have a good solid belt too!
JR

Maybe I could add backpack straps as back layer tools? 

I do love brass liners even though they add to the weight.  Maybe in the future I can skeletonize them to reduce the weight.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on March 09, 2016, 01:01:29 AM
A Beautiful Beast  :cheers:

+100!!!!!  :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on March 09, 2016, 02:08:17 AM
The bladeless ones are for sure growing in popularity.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom526/IMG_3350.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom526/IMG_3361.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom526/IMG_3365.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom526/IMG_3379.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom526/IMG_3384.jpg)

This is spectacular.  Some really outstanding work  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on March 09, 2016, 04:13:05 AM
Yes, that is a beautiful beast.

Me thinks you're going to have alot of calls for the brass mag holder and brass liners all polished up and shiny.

The weight must start to be a consideration when you get that thick. Ti scales instead of cellidor, brass liners instead of aluminum - plus all the tools. At some point the thickness and weight must work against comfortable EDC.

But - if that were my knife - I wouldn't notice the weight in my pocket much. Because I'd have it out showing it off all the time! :rofl:

Oh yes it is a weighty one for sure.  I hope the owner was going to carry in a belt pouch.  :D
Omg, that's got to have some good weight to it! The belt pouch is one thing but he better have a good solid belt too!
JR
My TiRogueneer is noticeably heavier than my MechaRogue, even though they are roughly the same size.  The Ti SAKs are beauties though :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: neillcurrie on March 09, 2016, 03:08:02 PM
Syph, Was wondering when you are going to offer a solid brass cyber bit-holder and mini flashlight component ;)
Seriously though: great work. I love this thread.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 09, 2016, 04:53:26 PM
Syph, Was wondering when you are going to offer a solid brass cyber bit-holder and mini flashlight component ;)
Seriously though: great work. I love this thread.

Ive only come accross 2 people who used the flashlight module in my years of modding, so I probably wont tackle that one. :D  The bit holder for sure.  I dont know if it should be brass or nickel silver, or maybe Ti would be best.  Ti could work actually since its not a backspring tool, it just free rotates. Hmm Ti that thick would be pricey... but then it could be anodized too... hmmm Well we'll see.  Im still patiently waiting for the Tormach to make its way to Canada and then learn how to use it, but for sure I can see making up some custom parts to get a SAK up to its max blingy potential.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on March 09, 2016, 05:05:37 PM

Maybe I could add backpack straps as back layer tools? 

I do love brass liners even though they add to the weight.  Maybe in the future I can skeletonize them to reduce the weight.

Oooooh, skeletize me a titanium and brass SAK!!! :tu:

I wonder how much you could remove from such a knife and still have it be durable? With the screws and pivots it should be stiff enough to carve out a fair amount of scale.

But then you'd have the law of diminishing returns kick in. The less metal means more labor (and higher cost). You kinda reach a point where the knife weighs nothing and costs a fortune! :twak:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 09, 2016, 06:02:02 PM

Maybe I could add backpack straps as back layer tools? 

I do love brass liners even though they add to the weight.  Maybe in the future I can skeletonize them to reduce the weight.

Oooooh, skeletize me a titanium and brass SAK!!! :tu:

I wonder how much you could remove from such a knife and still have it be durable? With the screws and pivots it should be stiff enough to carve out a fair amount of scale.

But then you'd have the law of diminishing returns kick in. The less metal means more labor (and higher cost). You kinda reach a point where the knife weighs nothing and costs a fortune! :twak:

Yes for sure on a 3 layer SAK with Ti scales and steel pivots the liners dont bear that much of the load of spring resistance. 

It wouldn't be cost effective to have them waterjet like that, but if I start machining them, I can just drill a bunch of holes as the final step in places you wouldn't be able to see.  Could be a fun project to see if I can get a Ti/brass super tinker equal in weight or lighter than a stock one.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on March 09, 2016, 09:45:27 PM

Maybe I could add backpack straps as back layer tools? 

I do love brass liners even though they add to the weight.  Maybe in the future I can skeletonize them to reduce the weight.

Oooooh, skeletize me a titanium and brass SAK!!! :tu:

I wonder how much you could remove from such a knife and still have it be durable? With the screws and pivots it should be stiff enough to carve out a fair amount of scale.

But then you'd have the law of diminishing returns kick in. The less metal means more labor (and higher cost). You kinda reach a point where the knife weighs nothing and costs a fortune! :twak:

Yes for sure on a 3 layer SAK with Ti scales and steel pivots the liners dont bear that much of the load of spring resistance. 

It wouldn't be cost effective to have them waterjet like that, but if I start machining them, I can just drill a bunch of holes as the final step in places you wouldn't be able to see.  Could be a fun project to see if I can get a Ti/brass super tinker equal in weight or lighter than a stock one.  :D

If anyone can do it, you can Syph.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 10, 2016, 10:23:14 PM
This one is just 2 layers shy of a swiss champ.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom529/IMG_3645.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom529/IMG_3674.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom529/IMG_3620.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom529/IMG_3587.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom529/IMG_3591.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on March 10, 2016, 11:35:38 PM
What does it weigh in at? Looks hefty.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on March 10, 2016, 11:36:26 PM
What does it weigh in at? Looks hefty.

I think the weight is around.... to cool to matter.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on March 11, 2016, 01:12:34 AM
What does it weigh in at? Looks hefty.

I think the weight is around.... to cool to matter.  :D

If you have to ask how heavy it is, your pocket isn't big enough. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 11, 2016, 01:40:41 AM
What does it weigh in at? Looks hefty.

I think the weight is around.... to cool to matter.  :D

If you have to ask how heavy it is, your pocket isn't big enough. :D

Oh a little more than a classic...  :rofl:   :whistle:

Hmm i dont know what a swiss champ weighs but I bet this is close... sec I will go weigh it.

Im back... 170 grams.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on March 11, 2016, 02:22:50 AM
(Rhetoric?, slightly tongue in cheek?) Question for you Syph - (and forum buddies)

Are you creating multitools? ......... Or ......... Works of Art - and Objects of Desire  ???  :o   ;)


Edit: PS. Just weighed my SC -184g - So still well under
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sLaughterMed on March 11, 2016, 02:30:00 AM
I wont speak for Syph, but if I were ever to get one of his custom tools, I would use it all the time. I dont see much value in getting a tool to display, I like to use my tools. Most of my tools are ugly smurfers now anyhow, as I cant seem to stop meddling with them
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on March 11, 2016, 03:20:51 AM
My TiRogueneer weighs in at 6.3oz, or approximately 178 grams.  It's 6 layers as well, but has pliers and fish scaler instead of the wood saw and mag/phillips layer.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 11, 2016, 05:33:01 PM
Once I get the CNC mill going I'll for sure make a pocketed version to lighten up the scales.  I think a 3 layer is about perfect though for me, so Im still happy with a Ti converted super tinker.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: JP on March 14, 2016, 04:37:33 AM
Any pics of a Ti Climber?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on March 14, 2016, 05:09:56 AM
Almost!!  :)

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,64990.0.html
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 17, 2016, 04:15:16 AM
What does it weigh in at? Looks hefty.

I think the weight is around.... to cool to matter.  :D

This.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: strmliner on March 17, 2016, 04:48:05 PM
Here's the first brass mag holder deployment on a 93mm frame.  :D 

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That is truly beautiful Robert...awesome job!   :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: OHIO on March 21, 2016, 01:45:34 PM
What brand of tap are folks using for titanium?  The one I used for my alox scale snapped when I was in the process of adding a pocket clip so it'll now be used as a template moving forward for titanium scales
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 21, 2016, 02:07:39 PM
What brand of tap are folks using for titanium?  The one I used for my alox scale snapped when I was in the process of adding a pocket clip so it'll now be used as a template moving forward for titanium scales

I just use cheap ones.  I used to buy the 15 dolar ones but breaking those is much more sad then 2 dollar ones.

Tapping Ti is easy if you make the right size hole.   You use a much larger one than in aluminium.   Basically measure the OD of the tap and then subtract 0.005 to 0.010 and that is plenty of thread in Ti.   Also you have to start and backnit off alot. Once you are putting alot of torque on that tap it will snap.   Tapered taps are a must too.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: OHIO on March 21, 2016, 04:46:19 PM
What brand of tap are folks using for titanium?  The one I used for my alox scale snapped when I was in the process of adding a pocket clip so it'll now be used as a template moving forward for titanium scales

I just use cheap ones.  I used to buy the 15 dolar ones but breaking those is much more sad then 2 dollar ones.

Tapping Ti is easy if you make the right size hole.   You use a much larger one than in aluminium.   Basically measure the OD of the tap and then subtract 0.005 to 0.010 and that is plenty of thread in Ti.   Also you have to start and backnit off alot. Once you are putting alot of torque on that tap it will snap.   Tapered taps are a must too.

Yeah.  I used a #51, which is what it called for.  I knew I should have used a 50 or 49 but 2 late now.  I haven't tried digging it out yet.  I just can't believe it snapped on aluminum.  Definitely won't buy that brand again.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: OHIO on March 21, 2016, 05:17:03 PM
What brand of tap are folks using for titanium?  The one I used for my alox scale snapped when I was in the process of adding a pocket clip so it'll now be used as a template moving forward for titanium scales

I just use cheap ones.  I used to buy the 15 dolar ones but breaking those is much more sad then 2 dollar ones.

Tapping Ti is easy if you make the right size hole.   You use a much larger one than in aluminium.   Basically measure the OD of the tap and then subtract 0.005 to 0.010 and that is plenty of thread in Ti.   Also you have to start and backnit off alot. Once you are putting alot of torque on that tap it will snap.   Tapered taps are a must too.

Yeah.  I used a #51, which is what it called for.  I knew I should have used a 50 or 49 but 2 late now.  I haven't tried digging it out yet.  I just can't believe it snapped on aluminum.  Definitely won't buy that brand again.

I was able to get the broken tap out.
Yaaaaaay!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 23, 2016, 05:16:08 AM
What brand of tap are folks using for titanium?  The one I used for my alox scale snapped when I was in the process of adding a pocket clip so it'll now be used as a template moving forward for titanium scales

I just use cheap ones.  I used to buy the 15 dolar ones but breaking those is much more sad then 2 dollar ones.

Tapping Ti is easy if you make the right size hole.   You use a much larger one than in aluminium.   Basically measure the OD of the tap and then subtract 0.005 to 0.010 and that is plenty of thread in Ti.   Also you have to start and backnit off alot. Once you are putting alot of torque on that tap it will snap.   Tapered taps are a must too.

Yeah.  I used a #51, which is what it called for.  I knew I should have used a 50 or 49 but 2 late now.  I haven't tried digging it out yet.  I just can't believe it snapped on aluminum.  Definitely won't buy that brand again.

I was able to get the broken tap out.
Yaaaaaay!


 :tu:

Ya its a total pain to get them out.  In Ti at least there is the option to just use a strong acid and dissolve the tap, and it wont effect the Ti.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 27, 2016, 07:47:59 PM
I have been building mostly standard models the last week, super tinkers and such so I havent posted all of them.

This one though is pretty far from being standard. :D  One wrench cutout is for metric, the other imperial.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3731.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3734.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3744.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3747.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3754.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3760.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3762.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3775.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3784.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3796.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on March 27, 2016, 08:46:30 PM
I have been building mostly standard models the last week, super tinkers and such so I havent posted all of them.

This one though is pretty far from being standard. :D  One wrench cutout is for metric, the other imperial.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3731.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3734.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3744.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3747.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3754.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3760.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3762.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3775.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3784.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3796.jpg)
Love the wrench and mag layer!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on March 27, 2016, 09:59:43 PM
Nice one!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on March 28, 2016, 01:41:48 AM
That is one amazing cybertool.  Love the wrench scales, and the electrician blade is a great idea...wish I'd thought of that before you modded my cybertool.  The Wenger wrench is also very useful.

Beautiful work.

I'm loving my cybertool - can't say enough about how much I enjoy your work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 30, 2016, 05:02:25 PM
I really like this setup for a 2 layer.  After fidding around enough now with the awl on back of scissors spring and trying enough things this is what is needed to be done to get it to work. 

1.  Bend scissors spring a couple degrees up at the point of contact with scissors as it is too weak otherwise.
2.  Round the back of the awl just a little bit to make it easier to open.  If not its not possible to open with human fingernails.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom533/IMG_3875.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom533/IMG_3893.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom533/IMG_3862.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on March 30, 2016, 07:50:08 PM
Love it! What's the overall thickness of the whole setup, Bob?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 30, 2016, 08:44:40 PM
Love it! What's the overall thickness of the whole setup, Bob?

That one would be 0.440" or 11.1 mm
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on March 30, 2016, 09:17:46 PM
Love it! What's the overall thickness of the whole setup, Bob?

That one would be 0.440" or 11.1 mm

Nice. My Compact Tinker Mod with the same tools in Cellidor measures 14.5mm. That's quite a difference. Also, I guess the Phillips in a steel pivot between Ti scales can endure MUCH more torque.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 30, 2016, 09:45:16 PM
Love it! What's the overall thickness of the whole setup, Bob?

That one would be 0.440" or 11.1 mm

Nice. My Compact Tinker Mod with the same tools in Cellidor measures 14.5mm. That's quite a difference. Also, I guess the Phillips in a steel pivot between Ti scales can endure MUCH more torque.

For sure.  Someday I'll test how much force it takes to fail, but its gotta be alot more than brass rod between aluminum liners.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on March 30, 2016, 10:50:46 PM
The best part is no key ring.   :tu:   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sixracer on March 31, 2016, 04:14:29 AM
These are amazing. That Cybertool is ingenious! I could never come up with that tool combo if I had to tell you what I wanted.


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 31, 2016, 11:27:09 PM
I put some more effort into standardizing the large bottle opener from the pioneer opposite the mag glass layer and made up a bunch.  Its does need quite alot of re-shaping but it works nicely.  The only con is you lose the wire stripper. 

Pretty unique toolset though.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom535/IMG_3896.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom535/IMG_3902.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom535/IMG_3911.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom535/IMG_3914.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom535/IMG_3920.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom535/IMG_3927.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom535/IMG_3938.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on March 31, 2016, 11:56:05 PM
Perfect tools set for me.  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sLaughterMed on April 01, 2016, 12:25:33 AM
I put some more effort into standardizing the large bottle opener from the pioneer opposite the mag glass layer and made up a bunch.  Its does need quite alot of re-shaping but it works nicely.  The only con is you lose the wire stripper. 

Pretty unique toolset though.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom535/IMG_3896.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom535/IMG_3902.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom535/IMG_3911.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom535/IMG_3914.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom535/IMG_3920.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom535/IMG_3927.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom535/IMG_3938.jpg)
Why don't you mill a wire stripper notch into the mag glass holder? There's plenty of space, it won't affect the mag glass's function, and then you don't have to lose the wire stripper
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: alexTOOL on April 01, 2016, 11:24:01 AM
But it lacks phillips driver. I would prefer the combo tool instead the bottle opener, but perhaps too long for the magnifier layer...  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on April 01, 2016, 06:08:40 PM
But it lacks phillips driver. I would prefer the combo tool instead the bottle opener, but perhaps too long for the magnifier layer...  :think:

Swap a phillips for the corkscrew.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 01, 2016, 10:47:44 PM
I'm finally restocked on 93mm hard anodized alox scales again.  :D  Its been a few months since Ive had any.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3971.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 02, 2016, 01:47:40 AM
I'm finally restocked on 93mm hard anodized alox scales again.  :D  Its been a few months since Ive had any.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3971.jpg)
They must not be in high demand much anymore huh?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 02, 2016, 02:05:01 PM
I'm finally restocked on 93mm hard anodized alox scales again.  :D  Its been a few months since Ive had any.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3971.jpg)

Doing things the same way as Mr Ford huh?

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 02, 2016, 07:23:55 PM

(http://www.tormach.com/uploads/images/content_images/pcnc_440/Tormach_PCNC440_Main.jpg)

I got an email from Tormach saying mine is ready to ship and should be hear in a week!   :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

Now I get to find out how many organs I need to sell to covert import duty.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 02, 2016, 07:25:05 PM
I'm finally restocked on 93mm hard anodized alox scales again.  :D  Its been a few months since Ive had any.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_3971.jpg)

Doing things the same way as Mr Ford huh?

Yes!  Black is the only color they never screw up though.  The last time I tried red all the parts were ruined.

I get 93mm alox orders maybe 3-4 a month now.  The Ti 91s are for sure the most requested now.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sLaughterMed on April 02, 2016, 07:36:53 PM

(http://www.tormach.com/uploads/images/content_images/pcnc_440/Tormach_PCNC440_Main.jpg)

I got an email from Tormach saying mine is ready to ship and should be hear in a week!   :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

Now I get to find out how many organs I need to sell to covert import duty.  :D
I cant wait to see what you start putting out once you have that CNC mill in your shop
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 03, 2016, 03:17:01 AM
I made a 91mm alox compact ranger today.  Its been awhile since someone asked for these scales.  I think I still have 20 sets of them, so that should last quite awhile.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom536/IMG_3996.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom536/IMG_4001.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom536/IMG_3988.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 03, 2016, 04:53:08 AM
That's a nice one :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on April 03, 2016, 05:05:30 AM
....I get 93mm alox orders maybe 3-4 a month now.  The Ti 91s are for sure the most requested now.

That doesn't surprise me one bit. Once I saw what you were able to do with titanium I figured it was only a matter of time before they took precedence.

And the brass mag holder still freaks me out (in a good way!) :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on April 03, 2016, 05:48:13 AM
That's a nice one :tu:

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+1  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 03, 2016, 04:59:02 PM
Ok so another tool layout question.

Inline phillps across from a bottle opener and small penknife blade. Is this doable?

Intend to pair this with scissors and maybe a metal file on a 93mm OC frame size.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 03, 2016, 05:03:56 PM
Ok so another tool layout question.

Inline phillps across from a bottle opener and small penknife blade. Is this doable?

Intend to pair this with scissors and maybe a metal file on a 93mm OC frame size.

Yup that works fine.  Can also fit electrician blade or pruner in the penknife spot too.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on April 03, 2016, 09:09:16 PM
I would take a set of those wrapped around a compact with Awl and Phillips in a heartbeat, but they are out of reach for me right now - At least until after our move...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 03, 2016, 09:13:39 PM
Ok so another tool layout question.

Inline phillps across from a bottle opener and small penknife blade. Is this doable?

Intend to pair this with scissors and maybe a metal file on a 93mm OC frame size.

Yup that works fine.  Can also fit electrician blade or pruner in the penknife spot too.

Excellent, thanks for the quick reply.

Thinking about this some more, how about penknife blade across from the bottle opener? That way I can get one of your sweet brass mag glass mods in the usual spot across from the inline phillips.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 03, 2016, 09:23:44 PM

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom536/IMG_4001.jpg)


I bet that backside chisel makes a pretty good prybar when it is mounted between some titanium scales?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 03, 2016, 10:26:10 PM
Ok so another tool layout question.

Inline phillps across from a bottle opener and small penknife blade. Is this doable?

Intend to pair this with scissors and maybe a metal file on a 93mm OC frame size.

Yup that works fine.  Can also fit electrician blade or pruner in the penknife spot too.

Excellent, thanks for the quick reply.

Thinking about this some more, how about penknife blade across from the bottle opener? That way I can get one of your sweet brass mag glass mods in the usual spot across from the inline phillips.

Yep that works fine too.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Jetpac on April 03, 2016, 10:55:30 PM
Out of curiosity how much would a 91 with ti scales start off at? Before i waste any time going down the full custom enquiry route

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 04, 2016, 02:29:30 AM
Out of curiosity how much would a 91 with ti scales start off at? Before i waste any time going down the full custom enquiry route

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The Ti conversions start at 190 + donor SAK.  Thats kind of the base cost that includes the Titanium, waterjet, pivots, labor to convert the parts to the pivots system I use, the pivots, screws, msc supplies etc.  Then I charge more for the fancy stuff like brass liners, pocket clip, metal cross. I really need to make up a price list with some stock models as I still work out the build cost for each inquiry which is for sure not the most efficient way to do it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 04, 2016, 04:30:33 AM
Out of curiosity how much would a 91 with ti scales start off at? Before i waste any time going down the full custom enquiry route

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I just skip the whole process and make Robert an authorized user of my debit card.

Saves time.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on April 06, 2016, 05:02:10 AM
Out of curiosity how much would a 91 with ti scales start off at? Before i waste any time going down the full custom enquiry route

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I just skip the whole process and make Robert an authorized user of my debit card.

Saves time.

 :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on April 06, 2016, 06:22:00 PM
That's actually a great time saving idea...

Out of curiosity how much would a 91 with ti scales start off at? Before i waste any time going down the full custom enquiry route

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I just skip the whole process and make Robert an authorized user of my debit card.

Saves time.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on April 06, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Now all you need to do is send that ti off and have it coated with zirc so it can be black :P
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 06, 2016, 09:30:11 PM
I got two built today, and one is even an alox! :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom537/IMG_4013.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom537/IMG_4020.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom538/IMG_4074.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom538/IMG_4089.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom538/IMG_4111.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on April 06, 2016, 09:51:17 PM
Love the Electrician. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on April 06, 2016, 09:53:53 PM
Syph, are your 91 Ti and Alox customs thinner than the original models? If so, how much thinner?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 06, 2016, 10:08:44 PM
Syph, are your 91 Ti and Alox customs thinner than the original models? If so, how much thinner?

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Yes they are thinner.  I measured a standard super tinker and my Ti converted one and its 0.120" thinner.  That's about the thickness of a pliers layer.  Its noticeable for sure.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 06, 2016, 10:11:43 PM
More beauties Syph!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on April 07, 2016, 05:01:04 AM
So a Deluxe Tinker will be as thin as a Super Tinker and a Craftsman as a Ranger! Amazing!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 07, 2016, 04:01:43 PM
 :ahhh  :ahhh  :ahhh

My Tormach is going to be at the local shippers warehouse tomorrow! I need to call for a delivery appointment, but Im pretty damn excited!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on April 07, 2016, 04:07:22 PM
:ahhh  :ahhh  :ahhh

My Tormach is going to be at the local shippers warehouse tomorrow! I need to call for a delivery appointment, but Im pretty damn excited!
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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Post by: Lardlad on April 07, 2016, 05:08:51 PM
So am I - can't wait to see what you do with it.

:ahhh  :ahhh  :ahhh

My Tormach is going to be at the local shippers warehouse tomorrow! I need to call for a delivery appointment, but Im pretty damn excited!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 07, 2016, 07:03:40 PM
That's great Syph, but my wallet cries at the thought of the great things you will create :ahhh

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 08, 2016, 10:03:27 PM
I called the shipping company, no delivery until mon or tuesday... oh well.

I did build another alox mod today though.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom540/IMG_4208.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom540/IMG_4291.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom540/IMG_4252.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom540/IMG_4281.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on April 08, 2016, 10:29:23 PM
Very nice,  I like that one  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on April 08, 2016, 11:40:04 PM
That's a nice tool set.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mrynnr on April 09, 2016, 05:23:08 AM
I have been building mostly standard models the last week, super tinkers and such so I havent posted all of them.

This one though is pretty far from being standard. :D  One wrench cutout is for metric, the other imperial.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3731.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3734.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3744.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3747.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3754.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3760.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3762.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3775.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3784.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom531/IMG_3796.jpg)
WOW! :drool: :drool: :drool: :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh I think this might be my favorite...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 12, 2016, 07:15:19 PM
Here the results of yesterdays work.  :D  I'm still getting 93mm orders so I shouldnt have any trouble using up the rest of the springs I made for scissors.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom541/IMG_4358.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom541/IMG_4385.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom542/IMG_4407.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom542/IMG_4409.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom542/IMG_4420.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 13, 2016, 01:35:38 AM
Nice ones Syph.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on April 13, 2016, 02:04:48 AM
Yes, that black alox scale with polished brass liners stands out.

Syph, do you have any "skeletized" concepts in Ti scales cooking? I'd like a Ti-scaled SAK with as much metal removed from the scales that would still be stiff and strong enough for EDC. (Along the lines of those stepped scales you make for fastener removal, but more smooth and graceful). Any ideas on how that would turn out?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 13, 2016, 02:40:31 AM
Nice ones Syph.

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+1 :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Rossko07 on April 13, 2016, 04:17:35 PM
Seriously. That black alox. Awesome
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 13, 2016, 04:56:43 PM
Yes, that black alox scale with polished brass liners stands out.

Syph, do you have any "skeletized" concepts in Ti scales cooking? I'd like a Ti-scaled SAK with as much metal removed from the scales that would still be stiff and strong enough for EDC. (Along the lines of those stepped scales you make for fastener removal, but more smooth and graceful). Any ideas on how that would turn out?

Yes I designed some skeletonized scales for that exact reason.  The best way to make a light SAK though is to not have the steel backsprings... But how to have a slipjoint knife without backsprings?  Ive got a few ideas.  :D

My mill is finally scheduled for deliver to my house tomorrow at 9 am :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 13, 2016, 05:09:11 PM
A couple people asked for a comparision pic of copper vs brass cross.  So here is a pic.  :D

These are both Ti compacts with phillips and awl on back side.  The hottest 2 layer now, Ive got orders for 6 in the queue.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_4437.jpg)

:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 14, 2016, 04:21:38 PM
I've now got 900 lbs for CNC goodness in my garage...

This will take me a few days to get sorted, but Im on the way now at least.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/Tormach/IMG_4519.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/Tormach/IMG_4525.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on April 14, 2016, 04:23:44 PM
It's like Christmas morning!  Enjoy the unboxing...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 14, 2016, 04:28:16 PM
It's like Christmas morning!  Enjoy the unboxing...

I was just happy the truck driver was able to park the pallet in my garage otherwise I would have had no way to move it.

Its going in my laudry room so I have to make a work area first, then start the setup.  But at least its finally here!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on April 14, 2016, 04:40:13 PM
We all all witnessing a new era of Syph customs.   :hatsoff:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 14, 2016, 04:43:59 PM
I am coming over with a cot and plan to live in your workshop.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 14, 2016, 05:13:11 PM
We all all witnessing a new era of Syph customs.   :hatsoff:
It's very exciting, but my wallet is worried :ahhh

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Post by: Syph007 on April 14, 2016, 06:43:39 PM
Well this will allow me to make some lower cost scales that alot of people ask for as well (G10 press ons).  As well as do more custom work and finally I can engrave with this as it will do 10,000 rpm spindle speed.  My current manual mill is only 2000
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 14, 2016, 07:54:11 PM
:popcorn:

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Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 14, 2016, 08:12:42 PM
:popcorn:

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+1,,
Have fun unboxing,, pictures! This is like another bday gift.. lol
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 15, 2016, 08:23:27 PM
I wanted to video the process of getting this bad boy running so I started taking videos.

https://youtu.be/rvW0947v7t0
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 15, 2016, 09:08:24 PM
Off to a good start :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 18, 2016, 01:19:57 AM
Still working :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZOnABzAp1I
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on April 18, 2016, 02:03:31 AM
 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 18, 2016, 02:39:01 AM
 :clap: were getting there, keep it coming! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 18, 2016, 05:04:04 AM
I almost got the stand finished tonight and now Im trying to decide the exact location to leave it.  Its a couple hundred pounds so I dont want to keep moving it around.  I loctited every screw so nothing should rattle loose.  Im debating anchoring it to the wall as well, as the more rigidity the better.

Oh well, hopefully Ill have more progress tomorrow.  I made a G code happy face so I can cut that once I get the thing together as a test.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on April 18, 2016, 04:35:56 PM
Very exciting 
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Post by: Syph007 on April 18, 2016, 08:25:32 PM
Finished the stand this morning.  The only issue I had was a couple of stripped threads in the sheet metal, so I just put nuts on the backs of those screws and that worked fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mb2nYeS_qU
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 19, 2016, 01:55:25 AM
Looking good, keep us up to date!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Motojesse on April 19, 2016, 03:19:25 AM
So Syph, with the new machine will you be able to mill tweezer, toothpick, and a pen slot into an alox scale? Please tell me this is on our horizon!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 19, 2016, 02:05:22 PM
So Syph, with the new machine will you be able to mill tweezer, toothpick, and a pen slot into an alox scale? Please tell me this is on our horizon!!

Omg yes.

Brass tweezer end bit for me please.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ljnoble on April 19, 2016, 02:50:22 PM
I wanted to video the process of getting this bad boy running so I started taking videos.

https://youtu.be/rvW0947v7t0
Keen to see more :)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on April 19, 2016, 05:12:23 PM
Loving the unboxing/setup pics!

I don't need the pen, but I would love to have the toothpick and tweezers in the titanium scale for the next custom SAK.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 19, 2016, 10:05:17 PM
Got the mill moved into the right room... now to get it lifted up.  How hard could that be...  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiiPg6RSEdE
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on April 19, 2016, 11:08:03 PM
Have you considered suspending the mill from the rafters and then move the stand in under it? Lifting it straight up is sure to be much easier than actually moving it in position while it's  hanging.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 19, 2016, 11:24:53 PM
Almost there! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 19, 2016, 11:28:21 PM
Have you considered suspending the mill from the rafters and then move the stand in under it? Lifting it straight up is sure to be much easier than actually moving it in position while it's  hanging.

Yes for sure that is exactly the plan.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on April 19, 2016, 11:34:40 PM
I feel almost as excited as you  :ahhh.  SOoooo close, only if you knew some real burly guys that could snatch that sucker off the floor. 

 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on April 19, 2016, 11:48:53 PM
Have you considered suspending the mill from the rafters and then move the stand in under it? Lifting it straight up is sure to be much easier than actually moving it in position while it's  hanging.

Yes for sure that is exactly the plan.

How much does it weigh ?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 20, 2016, 12:01:08 AM
Have you considered suspending the mill from the rafters and then move the stand in under it? Lifting it straight up is sure to be much easier than actually moving it in position while it's  hanging.

Yes for sure that is exactly the plan.

How much does it weigh ?

A little over 400lbs. 

To get my other mill on its stand I took it apart.  The head and stock and table and all of it.  It wasnt CNCd though and was pretty basic.  No way in hell im taking this sucker apart though.

The floor joints should hold 400 lbs ok if I spring the weight out across say 4 of them.  I still remember how to rig an anchor to use uneven tie in points but equally distribulte the load, so that is that I plan on doing.... tomorrow.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 20, 2016, 12:31:55 AM
This is where one of those cherry engine hoists would come in handy! Provided there's enough head room..
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 20, 2016, 03:32:19 AM
Have you considered suspending the mill from the rafters and then move the stand in under it? Lifting it straight up is sure to be much easier than actually moving it in position while it's  hanging.

Yes for sure that is exactly the plan.

How much does it weigh ?

A little over 400lbs. 

To get my other mill on its stand I took it apart.  The head and stock and table and all of it.  It wasnt CNCd though and was pretty basic.  No way in hell im taking this sucker apart though.

The floor joints should hold 400 lbs ok if I spring the weight out across say 4 of them.  I still remember how to rig an anchor to use uneven tie in points but equally distribulte the load, so that is that I plan on doing.... tomorrow.  :D

Just 400?

Offer beer and pizza to a few strong guys or five weak ones.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 20, 2016, 02:46:24 PM
Ok Im going to pick up a chain hoist.  This should work fine I think and its the cheapest thing I can find local to do the job.

http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/canlift-chain-hoist-0618151p.html

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Simyo on April 21, 2016, 01:13:04 AM
The link doesn't work but if there is a harbor freight near you they may have one cheap. I don't know how close you are to the U.S. Border or if they have them in Canada.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 21, 2016, 05:42:52 PM
The link doesn't work but if there is a harbor freight near you they may have one cheap. I don't know how close you are to the U.S. Border or if they have them in Canada.

Canadian tire had a chain hoist for 60 bucks and a 1/2 ton is plenty.  :D

Hoisting time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCngC5PbXlI
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 21, 2016, 05:51:19 PM
Its on!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3GJVMaP05o
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 21, 2016, 06:17:13 PM
 :woohoo: woohoo!! Way to go! One step closer..
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on April 21, 2016, 09:36:07 PM
I'd love to see the looks on your neighbors faces when they heard the SWEARING coming from your laundry room  :rofl:

Congrats on getting it complete. 

Now on to the good stuff. 

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on April 21, 2016, 10:03:15 PM
Nice to see the progress! I would have recommended holding some wooden lips with a couple of clamps but you got it on in the end so it's a bit late now.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 21, 2016, 10:09:24 PM
Nice to see the progress! I would have recommended holding some wooden lips with a couple of clamps but you got it on in the end so it's a bit late now.

Ya if I didnt already have the mill in the air I would have made some wood squares to do the job, but its done now at least!

It fits well in the space I cleared for it too.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/Tormach/20160421_145043.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 21, 2016, 10:29:42 PM
 :tu: NICE!
JR
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Post by: alexTOOL on April 21, 2016, 10:31:20 PM
Very nice!  :drool:

P.S.: Tormach is China Made??  (in the wood box ?)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 22, 2016, 04:32:11 AM
Nice to see the progress! I would have recommended holding some wooden lips with a couple of clamps but you got it on in the end so it's a bit late now.

Ya if I didnt already have the mill in the air I would have made some wood squares to do the job, but its done now at least!

It fits well in the space I cleared for it too.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/Tormach/20160421_145043.jpg)

Best laundry room in the history of clothing.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 24, 2016, 11:57:51 PM
Here is the super popular 2 layer everyone seems to want.  Note to Victorinox, you might consider this a new EDC lite model as an upgrade from the compact.  Everyone hates the hook and loves the awl.

This one has a blue anodized Ti liner as well to change it up a bit from my standard brass.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom546/IMG_4583.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom546/IMG_4598.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom546/IMG_4599.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom546/IMG_4611.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom546/IMG_4630.jpg)

And one extreme closeup to show the fit/finish and detail.  That little spacer will never move from being lined up to the liner as I riveted them together with a Ti rivet.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom546/IMG_4640.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 25, 2016, 12:10:36 AM
That is freaking sick! Wow, that's like the minimal all in one! Hey here's an idea, what if you could make like a hidden tool? Idk what that new toy of yours can do, but what if you could put a file like surface on the liner, but only on the part behind the Philips? So it's kinda hidden?
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 25, 2016, 01:59:29 AM
Nice one Syph.  One of those with the nail file hook and a fish scaler would be an ideal slim model for me.

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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 25, 2016, 02:02:10 AM
Nice one Syph.  One of those with the nail file hook and a fish scaler would be an ideal slim model for me.

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You and that fish scaler.
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Post by: Monrogue on April 25, 2016, 02:07:24 AM
Nice one Syph.  One of those with the nail file hook and a fish scaler would be an ideal slim model for me.

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You and that fish scaler.
It's become one of my favorite implements.  Great little back scratcher and misc tool in general :tu:

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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 25, 2016, 02:09:38 AM
Nice one Syph.  One of those with the nail file hook and a fish scaler would be an ideal slim model for me.

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You and that fish scaler.
It's become one of my favorite implements.  Great little back scratcher and misc tool in general :tu:

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I have a back scratcher I call my wife.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 25, 2016, 02:44:09 AM
Nice one Syph.  One of those with the nail file hook and a fish scaler would be an ideal slim model for me.

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You and that fish scaler.
It's become one of my favorite implements.  Great little back scratcher and misc tool in general :tu:

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I have a back scratcher I call my wife.
Even better, but my wife doesn't fit in my pocket....

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Post by: yud on April 25, 2016, 02:46:22 AM
Nice one Syph.  One of those with the nail file hook and a fish scaler would be an ideal slim model for me.

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You and that fish scaler.
It's become one of my favorite implements.  Great little back scratcher and misc tool in general :tu:

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I have a back scratcher I call my wife.
Even better, but my wife doesn't fit in my pocket....

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That's what she said
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 27, 2016, 08:33:23 PM
My flood coolant module is going to get installed tomorrow and I can finally do some first movement tests with the PC hooked up to the mill. :D

Ive had to pause that for now though so I could get some more custom SAKs out the door and bills paid.

Finished up another compact/tinker model and a knifeless CT today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom547/IMG_4714.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom547/IMG_4720.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom547/IMG_4744.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom548/IMG_4684.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom548/IMG_4664.jpg)

This pic shows how much thinner my version is versus a stock cellidor compact.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom548/IMG_4652.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Motojesse on April 28, 2016, 02:13:22 PM
I love that compact tinker. The difference in thickness is quite exciting!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 28, 2016, 04:54:05 PM

The difference in thickness is quite exciting!



Thats what she said.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 28, 2016, 05:47:08 PM

The difference in thickness is quite exciting!



Thats what she said.

Lol.  Darn right!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: OHIO on April 28, 2016, 08:42:46 PM
Not real impressed with the limited edition 2016 models.
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=65892.0

I was really hoping for a pioneer x limited edition.  They do have one on victorinox website with a damascus blade but it's $185 and it's out of stock. https://www.swissarmy.com/us/en/Products/Swiss-Army-Knives/Medium-Pocket-Knives/Pioneer-X/p/0.8231.J16
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on April 29, 2016, 03:14:24 AM
The difference in thickness is quite exciting!
Thats what she said.
Lol.  Darn right!

Amazing - I would say - You really notice it more on the SAKs with fewer layers - The relative difference is greater!
Those cellidor scales really are quite thick when you look at that photo.

A single layer Ti Syph custom would almost be unnoticeable in a pocket.
Have you ever done one Syph?

I have a lovely old 58mm alox Executive (old version of the Companion) - Hey here it is!! - The one on the end

(http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y339/SAKHuntsman/Badge/Alox_zpslz4rcar0.jpg) (http://s1027.photobucket.com/user/SAKHuntsman/media/Badge/Alox_zpslz4rcar0.jpg.html)

You can't tell this from the photo - But it is unbelievably slim
I'd guess the scales are under a mm think - In fact not much thicker than liners
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on April 29, 2016, 03:34:39 PM
That Tormach is awesome :o I know you will have fun with that thing :D Here's to many many Syph custom SAKs :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on April 29, 2016, 06:53:31 PM
Its been fun to watch you get that Tormach in place and exciting to think of the possibilities!  Geared up to start making 58's with titanium pen scales yet?  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 29, 2016, 07:32:57 PM
Ive got so many ideas for things to make when I get the Tormach running I dont know where to start!

I had a bunch of SAKs to get out the door though so Ive had to pause for a few days to finish work.  Also tax dealine in Canada is tomorrow and well Ive been procrastinating doing it.  Ive got a years worth of receipts and crap to go through from 2015 and get sorted by tomorrow.  Then I will be back working on the Tormach on Sunday.  Ive now got all the parts and I just need to finish :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 29, 2016, 09:20:10 PM
It's been quite awhile since Ive done a monster alox build...  Did one today though.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom550/IMG_4773.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom550/IMG_4775.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom550/IMG_4779.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom550/IMG_4784.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom550/IMG_4785.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom550/IMG_4792.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom550/IMG_4813.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom550/IMG_4818.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sLaughterMed on April 29, 2016, 09:41:50 PM
The backside of those monster Alox's are just so pretty :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: alexTOOL on April 30, 2016, 12:44:10 AM
Nice!  :gimme:

But that beast must be around 150 gms at least!   :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 30, 2016, 12:53:02 AM
Nice!  :gimme:

But that beast must be around 150 gms at least!   :ahhh

Close!

I just weighed it.  154

The backsprings are probably 1/3 the weight.  The next evolution in SAK modding I think is to address that.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ICanFixThat on April 30, 2016, 02:50:25 AM
Here is the super popular 2 layer everyone seems to want.  Note to Victorinox, you might consider this a new EDC lite model as an upgrade from the compact.  Everyone hates the hook and loves the awl.

This one has a blue anodized Ti liner as well to change it up a bit from my standard brass.

....

And one extreme closeup to show the fit/finish and detail.  That little spacer will never move from being lined up to the liner as I riveted them together with a Ti rivet.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom500Plus/Custom546/IMG_4640.jpg)
:tu: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on April 30, 2016, 03:05:34 AM
All you need to do is send the Ti and have it zirc coated and it will be black
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 30, 2016, 03:36:37 AM
Nice beast Syph :tu:

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Post by: Syph007 on May 01, 2016, 12:03:56 AM
I finished doing my taxes! One and a half days to go through a pile of receipts and bills isnt too bad.

Now... back to CNC setup!!! I'll have another video shortly hopefully showing first test movements and flood coolant setup.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on May 01, 2016, 12:04:48 AM
 :popcorn:
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 01, 2016, 07:24:15 AM
:popcorn:
:popcorn:
JR
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Post by: Jetbo on May 01, 2016, 04:31:55 PM
Any plans on making those 93mm cybertool bit holders? :pok: I am thinking a Electrician with a cybertool layer in the middle would be sweet  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 01, 2016, 05:28:51 PM
Any plans on making those 93mm cybertool bit holders? :pok: I am thinking a Electrician with a cybertool layer in the middle would be sweet  :drool:
What would be cool is that bit holder, the plastic thingy in a metal form!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on May 01, 2016, 07:23:27 PM
A metal replacement for the plastic bit holder would be amazing.  Especially on a Cybertool 41 with titanium scales, with the small blade swapped out for the Electrician and a brass mag glass added (maybe in place of the caplifter/screwdriver?).  That would be my ultimate SAK.

And Bob once mentioned investigating the possibility of making the micro screwdriver a scale tool somehow; that would be the icing on the cake.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 03, 2016, 10:22:26 PM
Ive been meaning to try this for ages.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_4924.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_4922.jpg)

3/32 firesteel concealed in front scale.  I spent awhile thinking of how the hell I can hold it in.. then realized if I made the slot in the right spot the opener tools hold it in.  To get it out open both tools.  When new its a snug fit which is why in this test scale I left the tip hanging into the cross cutout so it can be pushed from the front if need be.

I was worried these tiny firesteels were brittle but I could not snap it with finger pressure.  Its kind of like a little nail.  ANd for its size throws very decent sparks.  These firesteel blanks are 53 cents so its an easily replaceable item as well. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lowtech on May 03, 2016, 10:30:28 PM
Nice idea!
Maybe you should sell the Firesteel SAKs with a replacement firesteel right from the start. People will feel lessbad about scrathcing one if they do have replacement available.
Just an idea.

Waiting for a more double-father friendly (you know what diapers and child food cost?  :o ) Version of your Phillips and Awl Compact. Maybe with Aluminium or G 10 scales and aluminium liners?  :pok: Kind of the basic level mod to infect first time buyers...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 03, 2016, 11:20:40 PM
That's pretty neat!
JR
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Post by: Monrogue on May 03, 2016, 11:39:44 PM
That's pretty neat!
JR
+1

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Post by: tankerG on May 04, 2016, 01:31:53 AM
Interesting. There was a vid somewhere on the web where a guy fashioned a firestarter into a toothpick shape and inserted it into the pick slot. Kinda thin, you had to back it up during use - but made good sparks.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on May 04, 2016, 04:13:19 PM
@Syph007

I love the idea of putting a fire steel on a SAK.  I'm wondering why not just make a dedicated fire steel space in the SAK with a holder that would accept the steel?  It might be thinner than say the cyertool layer? 

What we've seen with the brass mag holder I'm sure you could conjure up something amazing. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: alexTOOL on May 04, 2016, 11:04:43 PM
@Syph007

I love the idea of putting a fire steel on a SAK.  I'm wondering why not just make a dedicated fire steel space in the SAK with a holder that would accept the steel?  It might be thinner than say the cyertool layer? 

What we've seen with the brass mag holder I'm sure you could conjure up something amazing.

Something like this, but smarter???

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+Angler

(http://i68.tinypic.com/juyb6e.jpg)
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Post by: Aloha on May 05, 2016, 02:05:04 AM
YES  :tu:.  Thats pretty cool I've never seen that model.   
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Post by: Syph007 on May 07, 2016, 03:35:54 PM
Im still experimenting with ways to store a firesteel...  This actually works but Im not sure its its ideal yet.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_20160505_175618.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_20160506_093755.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_20160506_094844.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on May 07, 2016, 04:17:40 PM
 I would think that would hamper the saw's cutting ability and severely weaken it as well.
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Post by: sLaughterMed on May 07, 2016, 04:27:59 PM
Go cut some wood and drywall with it, and see how well it works. If it breaks, or it sucks, go back to the drawing board. If it works, and the fire steel has decent retention, keep it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 07, 2016, 05:52:22 PM
I did saw some small sticks, it doesnt effect the use at all.  Side to side I think it might bend easier though. 

What Im aiming to do on this prototype is have a few ways to store a firesteel and then carry and use it so I know what is realistic to use.  I suspect somehow store in scale is going to be the winner though its hard to have good retention on a scale tool like that, that gets thinner the more you use it...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on May 07, 2016, 06:05:34 PM
I did saw some small sticks, it doesnt effect the use at all.  Side to side I think it might bend easier though. 

What Im aiming to do on this prototype is have a few ways to store a firesteel and then carry and use it so I know what is realistic to use.  I suspect somehow store in scale is going to be the winner though its hard to have good retention on a scale tool like that, that gets thinner the more you use it...

Honestly it needs to be tested on more than small sticks. Take it to some 2X4's then find some thick branches to test her out.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on May 07, 2016, 08:07:19 PM
Kudos for testing unconventional theories without fear of failure or ridicule, Robert! Only this way, you'll come up with the next big thing (tm).
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 07, 2016, 09:30:03 PM
The saw cuts through 2x4 fine, but that's not the issue.  Its not held in securely so I dont love this idea.  It was too hard to vet the idea by theory alone so I wanted to try each idea I had as a prototype.

I think I will have to go to a scale tool, but the problem is I have to have a way to hold it in securely and it cant depend on the diameter since that will shrink with use. 

This tiny 3/32 firesteel also is too anemic for hard use as well, so I'm going to change to fitting the next larger size which is a 1/8 inch.  That will be much easier to manufacture a spot for since all my bits are 1/8 inch.  My next idea is so simple that I cant believe I didnt think of it first.  But its the trial an error process that bubbles the best ideas to the surface...

Kudos for testing unconventional theories without fear of failure or ridicule, Robert! Only this way, you'll come up with the next big thing (tm).

:D  I do this all the time but dont usually post the fails.  But just posting pics of finished SAKs gets boring so I want to explain the thought process behind a new SAK tweak.   

The thing is, I can do it a complex way, but since people will want them, I have to make it not too complex since it wont be a one off, it has to be repeatable and I dont want it to cost more than half an hour of time or its not 'worth it' to offer.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tjfarrington2000 on May 08, 2016, 02:43:18 AM
The saw cuts through 2x4 fine, but that's not the issue.  Its not held in securely so I dont love this idea.  It was too hard to vet the idea by theory alone so I wanted to try each idea I had as a prototype.

I think I will have to go to a scale tool, but the problem is I have to have a way to hold it in securely and it cant depend on the diameter since that will shrink with use. 

This tiny 3/32 firesteel also is too anemic for hard use as well, so I'm going to change to fitting the next larger size which is a 1/8 inch.  That will be much easier to manufacture a spot for since all my bits are 1/8 inch.  My next idea is so simple that I cant believe I didnt think of it first.  But its the trial an error process that bubbles the best ideas to the surface...

Kudos for testing unconventional theories without fear of failure or ridicule, Robert! Only this way, you'll come up with the next big thing (tm).

:D  I do this all the time but dont usually post the fails.  But just posting pics of finished SAKs gets boring so I want to explain the thought process behind a new SAK tweak.   

The thing is, I can do it a complex way, but since people will want them, I have to make it not too complex since it wont be a one off, it has to be repeatable and I dont want it to cost more than half an hour of time or its not 'worth it' to offer.
What about on the inside of the scale, where you had to open either the blade or openers layer to get out the rod, and a button to deploy the recessed tool?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on May 08, 2016, 04:05:43 AM
What about a different shape fire steel?  Do they come in flat stock? Maybe Triangle? 

What about figuring a way to include as a back side tool?  Can the back spring be thinned to fit one there? 

What about notching out part of the scale along the top or bottom edge not on the flat shield side.

Clearly I'm no fabricator  :rofl: I'm just rambling.   
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tallowwaters on May 08, 2016, 05:32:04 AM
What about a T shaped pivot fixed to the end of the fire steel with an appropriate notch made into the scale so that the steel would flip out at the pivot, which could be pulled back and removed from the scale?

Not the most elegant explanation, but it could work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 08, 2016, 02:58:23 PM
Here is what Im currently trying.  A slot milled into the back scale near center to fit it.  But how to hold it in is the problem.  It sits just about flush.  Im thinking a small bit of a super thin Ti to act as a retaining spring.  Im just trying to think of the easiest way to produce it and not over complicate it.  And I dont want it sticking up to high or it would be annoying when you hold the SAK for normal use.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on May 08, 2016, 03:14:39 PM
The ferrocerium is slightly magnetic - how about a strip of neodymium magnets inset in a slot in one scale to hold it?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 08, 2016, 03:20:33 PM
The ferrocerium is slightly magnetic - how about a strip of neodymium magnets inset in a slot in one scale to hold it?

Yup that was my first thought.  Tried with a strong button magnet, not held very stong at all.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 08, 2016, 04:17:51 PM
Can you mill a notch in the one end? Then cut half of the flint so it slips in on the one side so you only have to worry about the other end?
JR

_______________________
Sak_________________----    ___====flint====.  Kinda like that?

Then maybe put a magnet on the other?
                                     
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 09, 2016, 04:54:52 PM
Couldn't you just mill another slot like the pen slot?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 09, 2016, 07:26:32 PM
Couldn't you just mill another slot like the pen slot?

But what would hold it in?  As it got thinner it would just fall out.  Also it would require me to have double the thickness of Ti scales, which ups the cost, thickness and weight.

Ive got a solution now, but it requires new scales to be cut.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 10, 2016, 12:18:26 AM
Ive been selling 3 or 4 of these a week pretty steadily.  For sure the most popular 3 layer.  Come to think of it, I rarely build wider than 4+ layer ones.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom555/IMG_4973.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom555/IMG_4985.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom555/IMG_4987.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom555/IMG_4954.jpg)


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Post by: SteveC on May 10, 2016, 12:27:23 AM
 :drool:

Did you get your Mill up and running ?  Lets see a video   :tu:

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Post by: Syph007 on May 10, 2016, 12:28:47 AM
:drool:

Did you get your Mill up and running ?  Lets see a video   :tu:

I had to earn some money to pay bills so the last week was all regular old by hand work to get out 8 SAKs.  Im back to setup of the mill now.  I did the flood coolant plumbing and IM building the enclosure tonight and tomorrow, then I'll post another video.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on May 10, 2016, 01:21:47 AM
:drool:

Did you get your Mill up and running ?  Lets see a video   :tu:

I had to earn some money to pay bills so the last week was all regular old by hand work to get out 8 SAKs.  Im back to setup of the mill now.  I did the flood coolant plumbing and IM building the enclosure tonight and tomorrow, then I'll post another video.

 :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 10, 2016, 01:42:22 AM
Ive been selling 3 or 4 of these a week pretty steadily.  For sure the most popular 3 layer.  Come to think of it, I rarely build wider than 4+ layer ones.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom555/IMG_4973.JPG)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom555/IMG_4985.JPG)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom555/IMG_4987.JPG)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom555/IMG_4954.JPG)

Pictures not working for me.

Sad panda.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 10, 2016, 02:15:36 AM

Pictures not working for me.

Sad panda.

I think I fixed them
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Post by: JP on May 10, 2016, 02:34:49 AM
Here is what Im currently trying.  A slot milled into the back scale near center to fit it.  But how to hold it in is the problem.  It sits just about flush.  Im thinking a small bit of a super thin Ti to act as a retaining spring.  Im just trying to think of the easiest way to produce it and not over complicate it.  And I dont want it sticking up to high or it would be annoying when you hold the SAK for normal use.
Could you look to Mora Light my Fire for some inspiration?

Twist'n lock.

Use it on a tool layer, scale tool or whatever your mad lab conjures.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 11, 2016, 01:05:58 AM
Chugging right along today, I finished up a compact tinker.  Mostly the standard finish except nickel silver on the tweezer instead of brass.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom556/IMG_5026.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom556/IMG_5038.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom556/IMG_5040.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom556/IMG_5003.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 11, 2016, 02:02:57 AM
Chugging right along today, I finished up a compact tinker.  Mostly the standard finish except nickel silver on the tweezer instead of brass.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom556/IMG_5026.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom556/IMG_5038.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom556/IMG_5040.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom556/IMG_5003.jpg)
Ah, that turned out nice :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on May 11, 2016, 04:46:30 PM
Those titanium liners must make the SAK a little lighter than brass - love the look of the brass though.  Always a fan of the in-line Phillips.  Pretty.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 11, 2016, 05:20:22 PM
Those titanium liners must make the SAK a little lighter than brass - love the look of the brass though.  Always a fan of the in-line Phillips.  Pretty.

Ya I measured and it is a difference.  Brass are 9 grams Ti are 5 each liner.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 11, 2016, 10:28:26 PM
What about making the slot for the tweezers longer and putting the firesteel in first and have it held in by the tweezers?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 11, 2016, 10:51:36 PM
What about making the slot for the tweezers longer and putting the firesteel in first and have it held in by the tweezers?

That Might work, but Id only be able to fit the 3/32 size in that way.  After trying both these small sizes I think the 1/8 inch size is realistically the smallest Id want to bother with fitting.  Ive got a solution I tested that works, it locked it into the scale, but I need to have new ones cut now to have it nicer looking.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on May 11, 2016, 10:52:13 PM
  How thick are your Ti scales and the diameter of the rod (the ferrocerium that is).


  On another note, if instead of Ti you made it all with Al but with space for T&T and pen, what would be the difference between Ti and Al?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 11, 2016, 11:23:53 PM
Working on my mill setup again right now... slowly making some progress.

https://youtu.be/WsqfppyPnCE
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 12, 2016, 02:47:32 AM
And a bit more... everything keeps taking longer than I think it should.  :D

https://youtu.be/q844aBxu04I
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 12, 2016, 03:01:04 PM
Best to take your time and get it right from the start.

10 years from now you will not even care how long it took but be glad you had a good running machine.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 13, 2016, 04:23:59 AM
Got the enclosure finished today and the electronics done for the pump control.  It's actually starting to look like it's supposed to now!

Tomorrow I can connect the path pilot controller and test all the limit switches... then cut something!

https://youtu.be/EplWdRscToQ
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 13, 2016, 05:46:49 AM
Cool, can't wait!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 13, 2016, 07:20:33 PM
It lives!

https://youtu.be/7FmCsUM77SA
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 13, 2016, 09:40:08 PM
Sweet, can't wait to see what you first come out with! Should me something MTO!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on May 13, 2016, 10:43:53 PM
:woohoo:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on May 13, 2016, 11:04:32 PM
Sweet, can't wait to see what you first come out with! Should me something MTO!
JR
MTO SAKs would be cool.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 16, 2016, 12:00:37 AM
Sweet, can't wait to see what you first come out with! Should me something MTO!
JR
MTO SAKs would be cool.

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Oh for sure.  One of the things Ive been excited to offer is engraving.  I was playing with that today, just cutting air as I dont have my vice mounted yet.  But my first test is going to be doing an MTO engraved Ti scale.  :D

I'll be able to do some test engraving tomorrow.  Just waiting for the final round of silicone to dry and I should be ok to get the flood coolant running.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 16, 2016, 01:02:00 AM
Sweet, can't wait to see what you first come out with! Should me something MTO!
JR
MTO SAKs would be cool.

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Oh for sure.  One of the things Ive been excited to offer is engraving.  I was playing with that today, just cutting air as I dont have my vice mounted yet.  But my first test is going to be doing an MTO engraved Ti scale.  :D

I'll be able to do some test engraving tomorrow.  Just waiting for the final round of silicone to dry and I should be ok to get the flood coolant running.
Ok, well we'll be waiting!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on May 16, 2016, 01:25:01 AM
Sweet, can't wait to see what you first come out with! Should me something MTO!
JR
MTO SAKs would be cool.

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Oh for sure.  One of the things Ive been excited to offer is engraving.  I was playing with that today, just cutting air as I dont have my vice mounted yet.  But my first test is going to be doing an MTO engraved Ti scale.  :D

I'll be able to do some test engraving tomorrow.  Just waiting for the final round of silicone to dry and I should be ok to get the flood coolant running.
:popcorn:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 16, 2016, 01:47:25 AM
Sweet, can't wait to see what you first come out with! Should me something MTO!
JR
MTO SAKs would be cool.

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Oh for sure.  One of the things Ive been excited to offer is engraving.  I was playing with that today, just cutting air as I dont have my vice mounted yet.  But my first test is going to be doing an MTO engraved Ti scale.  :D

I'll be able to do some test engraving tomorrow.  Just waiting for the final round of silicone to dry and I should be ok to get the flood coolant running.
:popcorn:

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This.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 17, 2016, 10:53:31 PM
Found more holes to plug and then I can leak test.  I ordered some higher end flood coolant as well that wont promote rust, so I've gotta wait for that to arrive but it shouldn't take long as its shipped local.  The 'good stuff' only costs 10 bucks a liter, but only comes in 20 L pails.  Its mixed at a 20 to 1 ratio so I'll have 400 L of collant.  That should last me many many years.  :D

I did a slightly different one today.  Putting the awl on the back of the saw layer would seem easy, but the awl is actually 0.010" thicker than than the saw layer.  I milled a recess into the front scale to give it the extra space and that worked out just fine.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom558/IMG_5108.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom558/IMG_5141.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom558/IMG_5150.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom558/IMG_5127.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 17, 2016, 11:08:16 PM
Very nice Syph! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 18, 2016, 02:34:00 AM
And for anyone interested in the CNC mill update here is my latest ramblings...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0l92ALWH0

Its pretty much ready to run once I have coolant but I know the front will leak so I want to put some rubber flap around the door edges.

I wrote the g code to make my first official part.  Nothing too exciting just 91mm brass liners, but I do need some so it is necessary.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 21, 2016, 12:56:22 AM
Full loaded Ti explorer today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom559/IMG_5226.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom559/IMG_5193.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom559/IMG_5211.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom559/IMG_5221.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on May 21, 2016, 01:38:42 AM
Nice :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on May 21, 2016, 03:50:51 PM
That Explorer is gorgeous.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on May 22, 2016, 01:32:53 AM
^ this  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Bigmike2145 on May 23, 2016, 08:21:49 PM
Only up to page 87 but love this thread and the mods.  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 25, 2016, 07:24:04 PM
Someone else wanted the fishscaler! :D

I also used a fishscaler on a saw layer backspring for this one so the fine flat driver could go on the back.  It needed 2x 0.005" washers made but other than that no issues at all.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom560/IMG_5335.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom560/IMG_5330.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom560/IMG_5346.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom560/IMG_5314.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom560/IMG_5284.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on May 25, 2016, 08:13:10 PM
Fish scaler baby :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 26, 2016, 12:41:04 AM
Fish scaler baby :tu:

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Sigh.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on May 26, 2016, 03:04:30 AM
Fish scaler baby :tu:

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Sigh.
Siiiiigh

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on May 26, 2016, 10:04:17 AM
Fish scaler baby :tu:

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Sigh.
Siiiiigh

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You tell him Mo.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on May 26, 2016, 12:40:38 PM
Fish scaler baby :tu:

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Sigh.
Siiiiigh

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You tell him Mo.


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 26, 2016, 02:13:36 PM
So I think the title of this thread is not very accurate.

That is all.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on May 26, 2016, 02:31:10 PM
So I think the title of this thread is not very accurate.

That is all.
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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 26, 2016, 02:36:32 PM
OK OK... I'll sadly agree to sell my most priced SAK mod...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Gone%20Fishin/IMG_8211.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 26, 2016, 02:50:23 PM
Multi scale! :tu: lol
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 26, 2016, 02:56:44 PM
Multi scale! :tu: lol
JR

Someone on instagram offered to buy it... lets see if they were serious.  This is a serious SAK for serious SAK guys!   :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: firiki on May 26, 2016, 03:02:24 PM
OK OK... I'll sadly agree to sell my most priced SAK mod...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Gone%20Fishin/IMG_8211.jpg)

I know magentus is longing for this one  :whistle:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 26, 2016, 03:32:40 PM
Multi scale! :tu: lol
JR

Someone on instagram offered to buy it... lets see if they were serious.  This is a serious SAK for serious SAK guys!   :rofl:
Wow, let us know..
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 26, 2016, 03:39:11 PM
OK OK... I'll sadly agree to sell my most priced SAK mod...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Gone%20Fishin/IMG_8211.jpg)

I know magentus is longing for this one  :whistle:

K Dog could scratch his whole back at one time with this one.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: firiki on May 26, 2016, 03:57:24 PM
Wait, who's K Dog?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 26, 2016, 03:59:43 PM
Wait, who's K Dog?

You know, K Tizzle, K Wheeze.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: firiki on May 26, 2016, 04:02:11 PM
Wait, who's K Dog?

You know, K Tizzle, K Wheeze.

K

:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on May 26, 2016, 04:18:11 PM
OK OK... I'll sadly agree to sell my most priced SAK mod...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Gone%20Fishin/IMG_8211.jpg)
Harley will be all over this one

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 26, 2016, 06:53:12 PM
OK OK... I'll sadly agree to sell my most priced SAK mod...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Gone%20Fishin/IMG_8211.jpg)
Harley will be all over this one

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Who me?

Nope I am innocent.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 27, 2016, 08:35:57 PM
:D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/20160527_140644.jpg)

Whoa a mysterious bucket of something ... exciting eh!

Yes, for me it is!  This is the coolant Ive been waiting for, for my mill.  If its good enough for Tesla motors machine shop, it should be ok for my SAK mods. LOL.

Its only sold through distributors, so I called one up and asked to order it.  I figured it would come fedex or UPS etc, but a sales rep drove over yesterday and dropped this off.  Im sure they mostly deal with big shops but I happened to be in his territory amd I sure appreciated that great service from Toronto Lube.  :D

This is a 20 L pail that mixes 10:1 so it makes 200L of coolant.  Seeing as I need about 10-15 Liters for my sump this should last me the rest of my natural life.  It was about $250 though.

From my research it dramatically extends tool life, and helps for killer surface finish and I just didnt want to deal with other issues the cheaper coolant has, like eating paint or causing rust.  So seeing as I'm going all in with this new mill I didnt want to cut corners on the coolant and just went for it.

So... ya im excited to have a pail of goo delivered.  :D

The very last thing I need to do before cutting parts now is to finish sealing around the front doors so the coolant wont leak out.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on May 27, 2016, 09:37:24 PM
Looking forward to the historic first cutting...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 27, 2016, 09:53:47 PM
Looking forward to the historic first cutting...

So is my wife.  She's really tired of hearing me talk about it and what I need to do next to get it going.   :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Singh on May 28, 2016, 05:39:28 PM
OK OK... I'll sadly agree to sell my most priced SAK mod...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Gone%20Fishin/IMG_8211.jpg)

That would make one fine back-scratcher!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 28, 2016, 07:18:02 PM
The super tinker is still holding strong as number one 3 layer mod request.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom561/IMG_5408.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom561/IMG_5411.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom561/IMG_5459.jpg)

I am officially out of brass liners for 91s now and they will be the first part I make on my mill.  I had to give myself some pressure to get on with it and get some parts made.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on May 28, 2016, 07:54:38 PM
OK OK... I'll sadly agree to sell my most priced SAK mod...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Gone%20Fishin/IMG_8211.jpg)

That would make one fine back-scratcher!
Indeed :)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on May 29, 2016, 06:54:34 PM
I've been swapping back and forth between the super tinker I bought from you and the Cybertool Lite you upgraded for me.  Although the Cybertool is still my favorite (can't thank you enough for hand cutting those brass liners) for numerous reasons mostly related to my job, I've become very fond of that super tinker - particularly the Phillips in the back.  I can understand why those tinkers would sell well.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 31, 2016, 07:55:36 PM
I think this is the first waiter I ever built....  84mm is a nice size, I only wish it wasnt so hard to fit all the bigger tools on this frame.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom562/IMG_5490.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom562/IMG_5499.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 31, 2016, 07:59:05 PM
And here is a pretty neat explorer.  No corkscrew, but a full wrench scale on back instead.  I also made a cutout on the inside through the Ti and brass liner to allow nail access to open the awl.  Worked out just fine.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom563/IMG_5567.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom563/IMG_5575.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom563/IMG_5555.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom563/IMG_5553.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: twiliter on May 31, 2016, 08:43:26 PM
And here is a pretty neat explorer.  No corkscrew, but a full wrench scale on back instead.  I also made a cutout on the inside through the Ti and brass liner to allow nail access to open the awl.  Worked out just fine.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom563/IMG_5567.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom563/IMG_5575.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom563/IMG_5555.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom563/IMG_5553.jpg)

I appreciate your gift for understatement, but that one is outstanding!  :drool:  :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 01, 2016, 02:32:37 AM
Very nice as always :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on June 01, 2016, 05:57:01 AM
Beautiful Explorer!

Add a small (and a large) serrated knife blade - and you'd have my perfect EDC. :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 03, 2016, 04:12:39 AM
Brass mag glass holder makes me happy.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on June 03, 2016, 10:22:37 AM
I think this is the first waiter I ever built....  84mm is a nice size, I only wish it wasnt so hard to fit all the bigger tools on this frame.

I agree - But you don't need to - Just get a Wenger  :D - Please note MTo (Vic) SAK colleagues!!!  :D  :D

The Explorer is great - Although I think the brass liner behind the wrench would look better in Ti (is that even possible?) or a colour that blended in with the scale!!

Still lovin' all your work S007

PS. Not sure about operating the mill - But it seems like you need to be an electrical and mechanical engineer, and be up for a few improvisations (eg seal, door adjustments, hoist) just to install it. Well done mate.
Thanks for all the vids - It was like following an exciting series on the telly - Could not wait for the next episode !
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 03, 2016, 09:35:33 PM

PS. Not sure about operating the mill - But it seems like you need to be an electrical and mechanical engineer, and be up for a few improvisations (eg seal, door adjustments, hoist) just to install it. Well done mate.
Thanks for all the vids - It was like following an exciting series on the telly - Could not wait for the next episode !

Yes its for sure testing all my mechanical abilites to get it goes but I'm actually making a part finally!

91mm brass liners....

https://youtu.be/Bi3waXJ-les
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 03, 2016, 10:16:32 PM
Ah cool, way to go! Sorry the one section to me was like bla bla, x-y drill, bla bla bla, look it fits on, bla bla bla.. But then it started to make sense, lol.. Looks good, glad your starting to get things going!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on June 03, 2016, 10:42:53 PM
Congrats on your first part  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 04, 2016, 02:11:24 AM
So now you don't even need donor SAKs. Just make the whole thing yourself.

:pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on June 04, 2016, 01:33:07 PM
I'm wondering if this could go in the 91mm frame. Surely it could.

(http://img.allzip.org/g/64/orig/3404671.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 06, 2016, 12:47:15 AM
I'm wondering if this could go in the 91mm frame. Surely it could.

(http://img.allzip.org/g/64/orig/3404671.jpg)

Yup Im making 91mm brass liners.

I cut a bunch out and its working!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzXmTG0ivfo
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on June 06, 2016, 01:00:42 AM
Nice!  Great to see it in action.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 06, 2016, 03:47:24 AM
I'm wondering if this could go in the 91mm frame. Surely it could.

(http://img.allzip.org/g/64/orig/3404671.jpg)

Yup Im making 91mm brass liners.

I cut a bunch out and its working!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzXmTG0ivfo

Sweet!

So now if I want brass liners on my SAK it is a free upgrade?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 08, 2016, 03:06:24 AM
Heres a big clip compact tinker!  I made both the liner and the keyring attachment piece on my mill :D  Its like having an employee now!  I can tell it to make a part while I go do something else!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom565/IMG_5605.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom565/IMG_5632.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom565/IMG_5623.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom565/IMG_5641.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom565/IMG_5655.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 08, 2016, 04:00:04 AM
Cough, sweatshop, cough.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 08, 2016, 06:14:05 PM
Loving my Tormach!  It was making me brass liners this morning while I had my breakfast.  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-d4Ex07LoE
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on June 08, 2016, 07:10:02 PM
Since it's working so hard for you it probably deserves a name...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on June 08, 2016, 11:52:23 PM
Since it's working so hard for you it probably deserves a name...

+1
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sLaughterMed on June 09, 2016, 04:53:22 AM
How about Bill the Mill? Or would Jill be more appropriate?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aerocap on June 09, 2016, 04:29:16 PM
Hi, I'm new here (1st post after the new comers thread) and these mods must be my favorite part of the forum, I see AWESOME work, and something that I crave since longtime ago, SAK with wires instead of rivets! I also saw the machine work, woooollll !
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 09, 2016, 04:58:01 PM
Hi, I'm new here (1st post after the new comers thread) and these mods must be my favorite part of the forum, I see AWESOME work, and something that I crave since longtime ago, SAK with wires instead of rivets! I also saw the machine work, woooollll !

Hey glad you found my thread here and welcome to the forum!

I started doing the youtube videos more and I will take some up close video of the next parts Im making with are the little spacers under the blade tip.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 09, 2016, 05:06:34 PM
How about Bill the Mill? Or would Jill be more appropriate?
Lol, cool. How about drill sergeant?
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on June 09, 2016, 05:10:39 PM
How about Bill the Mill? Or would Jill be more appropriate?
Lol, cool. How about drill sergeant?
JR

Milly McMillface. ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 09, 2016, 05:22:31 PM
How about Bill the Mill? Or would Jill be more appropriate?
Lol, cool. How about drill sergeant?
JR

Milly McMillface. ;)
Milly McDrillin!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aerocap on June 09, 2016, 07:11:25 PM

Hey glad you found my thread here and welcome to the forum!

I started doing the youtube videos more and I will take some up close video of the next parts Im making with are the little spacers under the blade tip.

Thank you for your welcome, Hi to everyone. I can't wait to see more!  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aerocap on June 09, 2016, 07:12:11 PM
SAK Milli-Drill
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lichan on June 10, 2016, 03:06:56 AM
MillyVanilly
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 10, 2016, 03:34:01 AM

Hey glad you found my thread here and welcome to the forum!

I started doing the youtube videos more and I will take some up close video of the next parts Im making with are the little spacers under the blade tip.

Thank you for your welcome, Hi to everyone. I can't wait to see more!  :salute:
Welcome aboard! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on June 10, 2016, 10:13:00 PM
Loving my Tormach!  It was making me brass liners this morning while I had my breakfast.  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-d4Ex07LoE

How about Colossus, after the first fully programmable electronic computer?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 10, 2016, 11:00:08 PM
Loving my Tormach!  It was making me brass liners this morning while I had my breakfast.  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-d4Ex07LoE

How about Colossus, after the first fully programmable electronic computer?

Oh that's good.  Or maximus.   SUPER SPARTAN!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aerocap on June 12, 2016, 08:51:42 PM
Welcome aboard! :tu:
JR

Thank you JR :-)

I would like to be able to separate the layers of a Celidor model, playing with them to know if they can be reversed, see how the tools are on springs, etc.. Can someone tell me if it's without risks to disassemble it (just drilling and remove the bushings?) after getting threaded tubes and screws?
Any advice will be welcome! ..before ordering a modded SAK ;-)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on June 12, 2016, 10:55:53 PM
Welcome aboard! :tu:
JR

Thank you JR :-)

I would like to be able to separate the layers of a Celidor model, playing with them to know if they can be reversed, see how the tools are on springs, etc.. Can someone tell me if it's without risks to disassemble it (just drilling and remove the bushings?) after getting threaded tubes and screws?
Any advice will be welcome! ..before ordering a modded SAK ;-)

Hi, again. :D

You can find most of the how to's in the thread at the top of this board, convivially named SAK modding guides, all in one place. ;)

Here's the direct link to the first post that leads to other how to's.

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,43303.msg695993.html#msg695993


As for it being easy, nope. >:D

You'll need carbide drill bits to enlarge the holes of the tools to fit your screws in. And your drill might slip and damage the scale if you're doing it on ALOX models. And you might damage or lose some of the bushings if you're doing it on Celidor models.

But where would the fun be without a bit of danger, right? :P We've all destroyed a SAK or two. Some, like Syph007 have done whole SAK massacres. :ahhh

So while you're still learning, it's best to do it on some beater SAKs, used, which you won't be sorry for if something unforeseen happens. :salute:

Happy modding. :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aerocap on June 13, 2016, 01:41:00 AM

You can find most of the how to's in the thread at the top of this board, convivially named SAK modding guides, all in one place. ;)

Thanks enki_ck. We meet everywhere.. :-)

Right, I realise I am off topic! :rant:

Lol SAK massacre..
I will follow the link and the guidance to try my best.

Sorry for the misplaced post.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 15, 2016, 04:02:30 PM
And the compact tinker still holding strong as most popular 2 layer 91mm now.  :D

I dont think I purposely tried to show this before but the tumbled surface I do is actually highly reflective.  See second last pic.  So its a matte dull gray looking straight on, but at an angle very shiny.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom568/IMG_5776.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom568/IMG_5771.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom568/IMG_5795.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom568/IMG_5799.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom568/IMG_5808.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 15, 2016, 04:12:32 PM
NICE :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on June 16, 2016, 02:41:05 AM
So an awl on the back of the scissors layer is possible?

I presume it needs spacers? :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on June 16, 2016, 05:13:19 PM
So an awl on the back of the scissors layer is possible?

I presume it needs spacers? :think:

Yep, a washer and a tweak to the shape of the backspring.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on June 16, 2016, 06:31:59 PM
So an awl on the back of the scissors layer is possible?

I presume it needs spacers? :think:

Yep, a washer and a tweak to the shape of the backspring.

How did you do the backspring tweak?

I'm looking to build a Trail Guide but with awl behind the scissors and the fine driver on the back of the file. Only thing I haven't been able to figure out is the tension on the scissors when the awl replaces the hook.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 16, 2016, 06:55:47 PM
So an awl on the back of the scissors layer is possible?

I presume it needs spacers? :think:

Yep, a washer and a tweak to the shape of the backspring.

How did you do the backspring tweak?

I'm looking to build a Trail Guide but with awl behind the scissors and the fine driver on the back of the file. Only thing I haven't been able to figure out is the tension on the scissors when the awl replaces the hook.

The backspring needs to be bent about 5 degrees to give the scissors some snap close.  Its a trial and error process to have the right snap.  Bend it too far and the scissors have strong snap, but the awl will be a super nail breaker.  Dont bend it enough and the awl will open super easy but the scissors will snap closed like a limp noodle.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on June 16, 2016, 08:16:47 PM
So an awl on the back of the scissors layer is possible?

I presume it needs spacers? :think:

Yep, a washer and a tweak to the shape of the backspring.

How did you do the backspring tweak?

I'm looking to build a Trail Guide but with awl behind the scissors and the fine driver on the back of the file. Only thing I haven't been able to figure out is the tension on the scissors when the awl replaces the hook.

The backspring needs to be bent about 5 degrees to give the scissors some snap close.  Its a trial and error process to have the right snap.  Bend it too far and the scissors have strong snap, but the awl will be a super nail breaker.  Dont bend it enough and the awl will open super easy but the scissors will snap closed like a limp noodle.

Thanks!

Now I just need to get some time to work on it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on June 16, 2016, 09:13:32 PM
So an awl on the back of the scissors layer is possible?

I presume it needs spacers? :think:

Yep, a washer and a tweak to the shape of the backspring.

How did you do the backspring tweak?

I'm looking to build a Trail Guide but with awl behind the scissors and the fine driver on the back of the file. Only thing I haven't been able to figure out is the tension on the scissors when the awl replaces the hook.

The backspring needs to be bent about 5 degrees to give the scissors some snap close.  Its a trial and error process to have the right snap.  Bend it too far and the scissors have strong snap, but the awl will be a super nail breaker.  Dont bend it enough and the awl will open super easy but the scissors will snap closed like a limp noodle.

Thanks!

Now I just need to get some time to work on it.

Thinking about it more, do you have any pics you could mark up to show where to bend and what to brace?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 18, 2016, 10:49:46 PM
I finished all my brass machining, so Im working on getting flood going today so I can get onto machining the blade steels and Ti...  someday I'll have this all setup I hope.  :D

Enjoy me sounding like an excited little girl when I mix the coolant, and see if you notice the very dirty phrase near the end.   :rofl:

https://youtu.be/34zyRMhgn6U
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: captain spaulding on June 18, 2016, 11:27:33 PM
I finished all my brass machining, so Im working on getting flood going today so I can get onto machining the blade steels and Ti...  someday I'll have this all setup I hope.  :D

Enjoy me sounding like an excited little girl when I mix the coolant, and see if you notice the very dirty phrase near the end.   :rofl:

https://youtu.be/34zyRMhgn6U


Its great you got the coolant working, but the leak is a bummer. Thankfully your a crafty man who will figure out something i'm sure. Keep us updated.  :tu:
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: willfcc on June 18, 2016, 11:33:15 PM
Whatever you do to fix it, better involve a SAK…


Will
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on June 19, 2016, 01:33:10 AM
I have heard the 'excited little girl' a few times in these videos  ;)
And also the proud father!!  :D

Missed the dirty phrase the first time, second time I thought 'Well "darn it" is not too dirty' - Then I heard it  :)

Good luck with the seal - Bit frustrating -  >:( - Does it need somme sort of gasket?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 19, 2016, 03:43:18 AM
lol, :rofl: well you got the little girl sound right, but I think we all have her when we get SOO excited, heck you should have heard me when I got my custom sak you made me, yours sounds nothing like mine, I think one of the neighbors asked who's girl we had over, I had to lie and say the little guy had one of his school friends over :whistle:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on June 19, 2016, 10:15:59 PM
lol, :rofl: well you got the little girl sound right, but I think we all have her when we get SOO excited, heck you should have heard me when I got my custom sak you made me, yours sounds nothing like mine, I think one of the neighbors asked who's girl we had over, I had to lie and say the little guy had one of his school friends over :whistle:
JR

 :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 20, 2016, 05:53:14 PM
I won the leaking battle!

https://youtu.be/gd0LY_lwwFc
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on June 20, 2016, 07:19:01 PM
Congrats on another problem solved!  When you start modding the equipment you use to mod, however, it starts getting a little existential...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 20, 2016, 07:51:40 PM
Congrats on another problem solved!  When you start modding the equipment you use to mod, however, it starts getting a little existential...

Ya for sure lol.  I know this is still a new model for Tormach and there was bound to be some kinks in the setup, but I didnt expect to have to mod the enclosure so much.  Oh well as long as I can cut Ti I will be happy. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on June 20, 2016, 07:53:40 PM
Could you make a tougher combo tool?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 20, 2016, 09:23:19 PM
Could you make a tougher combo tool?

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Combo tool is too thin to even be strong.  But I bet it's possible to grind the bottom of a bottle opener to be able to open cans.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on June 20, 2016, 09:26:12 PM
And maybe turn the flat driver into a 2D Phillips in the process?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 21, 2016, 02:06:47 AM
Could you make a tougher combo tool?

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Combo tool is too thin to even be strong.  But I bet it's possible to grind the bottom of a bottle opener to be able to open cans.

Yes I want.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on June 21, 2016, 04:35:32 AM
Congrats on another problem solved! 
When you start modding the equipment you use to mod, however, it starts getting a little existential...

Dittto
That's funny
  :rofl:

Gotta say I have been a bit shocked by the mods you have had to make. Some of them due to pretty poor design/finishing.
Have you sent your videos to Tormach.

No idea what this thing cost (dread to think  :o ) - But I reckon they owe you of few hundred dollars -
1. For your time - finishing their design errors
But mainly 2.  For your suggestions as to how they can improve their machine - As everything you have done needs to be incorporated in the product.

Although one quick question - The lack of waterproofness was pretty poor - But why the obsession (  ;) ) with making it so watertight - Is the coolant a 'nasty' chemical that should not touch anything??
I did notice you were wearing latex gloves when you worked with it

PS. As always, your attention to detail and quality is amazing - The paper test was outrageous  :o
Although you missed the piece on the floor under the sump !!  :twak:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 21, 2016, 03:53:58 PM
Congrats on another problem solved! 
When you start modding the equipment you use to mod, however, it starts getting a little existential...

Dittto
That's funny
  :rofl:

Gotta say I have been a bit shocked by the mods you have had to make. Some of them due to pretty poor design/finishing.
Have you sent your videos to Tormach.

No idea what this thing cost (dread to think  :o ) - But I reckon they owe you of few hundred dollars -
1. For your time - finishing their design errors
But mainly 2.  For your suggestions as to how they can improve their machine - As everything you have done needs to be incorporated in the product.

Although one quick question - The lack of waterproofness was pretty poor - But why the obsession (  ;) ) with making it so watertight - Is the coolant a 'nasty' chemical that should not touch anything??
I did notice you were wearing latex gloves when you worked with it

PS. As always, your attention to detail and quality is amazing - The paper test was outrageous  :o
Although you missed the piece on the floor under the sump !!  :twak:

Yup Tormach follows my videos and have commented to me directly so they are very aware of the design problems with the enclosure.  My guess is it wasnt initially designed for flood.  The 1100 enclosure was, and it doesnt leak from what I have heard.  The machine/electronics/computer control have all been flawless and that is what is important to me so I really dont care too much as I expected to have to fiddle around a bit. 

The support Tormach provides customers is absolutely top notch and for someone new to CNC that was THE major reason I bought from them.  When I called for tech support during setup the guy that answered the phone, not transferred to, the one that answered, solved my limit switch issue in about a minute.  He had personally setup this exact machine on his own so he knew all the in and outs.

I want the enclosure completely waterproof to avoid a mess in the laundry room.  During rapid movements and aggressive cuts coolant goes all over the place.  Its not toxic at all actually.  I looked up the MSDS and its mostly petroleum distillate (oils) and a few additives.  Its 7% of that concentrate in water so its mostly water with suspended oils.  The worst thing in the MSDS about it was it could cause skin irritation on extended exposure. 

A fellow 440 user sent me this pic of his non sealed enclosure... I dont want this mess! 

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=273669;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on June 21, 2016, 04:06:27 PM
Great job on getting the leak solved.  Now that you are ready to cut, how freaking excited are you  :ahhh? 

Well I can tell you I am very excited to see all the amazing things coming out of your "office" with view! 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 21, 2016, 08:07:01 PM
Great job on getting the leak solved.  Now that you are ready to cut, how freaking excited are you  :ahhh? 

Well I can tell you I am very excited to see all the amazing things coming out of your "office" with view!

I am SUPER excited.  I have so many things to try Im not sure where to start first.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 21, 2016, 08:16:05 PM
Idk who's more excited, you or us?
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: neillcurrie on June 21, 2016, 09:26:31 PM
Could you make a tougher combo tool?

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Combo tool is too thin to even be strong.  But I bet it's possible to grind the bottom of a bottle opener to be able to open cans.

I did that. The inside arc of the Opener needs to be increased somewhat, and a better point ground to grip the edge of the tin can........but it works fine.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on June 21, 2016, 09:27:56 PM
Could you make a tougher combo tool?

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Combo tool is too thin to even be strong.  But I bet it's possible to grind the bottom of a bottle opener to be able to open cans.

I did that. The inside arc of the Opener needs to be increased somewhat, and a better point ground to grip the edge of the tin can........but it works fine.

Do you have any pictures? Maybe one that compares the regular and modified ones beside each other?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 22, 2016, 12:57:59 AM
Could you make a tougher combo tool?

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Combo tool is too thin to even be strong.  But I bet it's possible to grind the bottom of a bottle opener to be able to open cans.

I did that. The inside arc of the Opener needs to be increased somewhat, and a better point ground to grip the edge of the tin can........but it works fine.

Thats awesome!  I figured it would work but never got around to it.  On 93mm SAKs like electricians people are always wanting a can opener on them and tweaking the bottle opener into a kind of can opener combo tool seemed like a good option. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on June 22, 2016, 01:04:51 AM
Idk who's more excited, you or us?
JR

<<<<<< That guy is SUPER EXCITED to see what comes out of that magical place in Canada. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 22, 2016, 01:21:12 AM
Idk who's more excited, you or us?
JR

<<<<<< That guy is SUPER EXCITED to see what comes out of that magical place in Canada.
Well said! same with him----|
<------------------------------|
:D
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: neillcurrie on June 22, 2016, 01:25:38 AM
Could you make a tougher combo tool?

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Combo tool is too thin to even be strong.  But I bet it's possible to grind the bottom of a bottle opener to be able to open cans.

I did that. The inside arc of the Opener needs to be increased somewhat, and a better point ground to grip the edge of the tin can........but it works fine.

Thats awesome!  I figured it would work but never got around to it.  On 93mm SAKs like electricians people are always wanting a can opener on them and tweaking the bottle opener into a kind of can opener combo tool seemed like a good option.

It's *much* stronger than a Combo Tool, and you get a short beveled/sharpened edge that might be useful for something. It can still be used as a large flat screwdriver.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on June 22, 2016, 01:26:42 AM
Idk who's more excited, you or us?
JR

<<<<<< That guy is SUPER EXCITED to see what comes out of that magical place in Canada.
Well said! same with him----|
<------------------------------|
:D
JR

Me too!

It's like the skunkworks has opened for business and we get to watch what it churns out. :dd:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 22, 2016, 01:42:53 AM
Im still doing the customs too as I work on the CNC.  Still got bills to pay.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom570/IMG_5988.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom570/IMG_5976.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom570/IMG_5997.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom570/IMG_6013.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom570/IMG_5957.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on June 22, 2016, 02:03:46 AM
Another beauty, Syph! :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 22, 2016, 02:58:18 AM
Idk who's more excited, you or us?
JR

<<<<<< That guy is SUPER EXCITED to see what comes out of that magical place in Canada.
Well said! same with him----|
<------------------------------|
:D
JR
:imws:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 22, 2016, 03:00:42 AM
Another beauty, Syph! :tu:
Ditto.  I love those brass mag glass housings :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 22, 2016, 03:57:32 AM
Another beauty, Syph! :tu:
Ditto.  I love those brass mag glass housings :tu:

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Yet MonRouge is without one.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 22, 2016, 04:05:41 AM
Another beauty, Syph! :tu:
Ditto.  I love those brass mag glass housings :tu:

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Yet MonRouge is without one.
I know :(

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 22, 2016, 04:05:59 AM
Another beauty, Syph! :tu:
Ditto.  I love those brass mag glass housings :tu:

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Yet MonRouge is without one.
Oh, and siiiggghhh

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on June 22, 2016, 12:06:58 PM
Another beauty, Syph! :tu:
Ditto.  I love those brass mag glass housings :tu:

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Yet MonRouge is without one.
Oh, and siiiggghhh

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 :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on June 22, 2016, 05:32:40 PM
That's a beautiful knife.  I didn't realize you could put the magnifying glass across from one of the openers...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 22, 2016, 05:35:47 PM
That's a beautiful knife.  I didn't realize you could put the magnifying glass across from one of the openers...

Its a recent discovery.  It only works with the bottle opener from a 93mm pioneer.  I have to shorten it alot as well, but it does work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on June 22, 2016, 06:49:16 PM
Been a few days since I have read on this thread and am excited to see what is in store :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aerocap on June 23, 2016, 06:06:09 AM
Im still doing the customs too as I work on the CNC.  Still got bills to pay.  :D

I definitely have the intention to order you a modded SAK, they seem really well made! I'm still thinking about various things that I might figure myself before bother you asking too much questions. Something I would already enjoy since longtime is an 91mm alox, and NOT that I don't like your scales, but I would really like it with the silver original ones. I was also thinking about a last liner on one side (instead of both?) thick enough to fit the tweezers-toothpick-pen.
Is that sounds good?
(my bad English :twak:)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 23, 2016, 06:25:14 PM
Ok after testing, needed another tweak!

https://youtu.be/wZ3DW3kuMTw
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aerocap on June 24, 2016, 11:46:59 PM
I really like this!

*See second pic, I'm not able to put it here :-(

I wonder if it would be a good idea to shape a square hole regarding torque capability? (perpendicular sides) and also if it could handle more torque on a scale or on a tool? A sturdy one in thick titanium..

With a cardan extension, either on the square or hex side, or both, you could reach pretty much anything to tighten or loosen.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 27, 2016, 11:04:10 PM
Today has been my best day ever with the CNC mill.  No more leaks, and Ive finally mastered 2D patterning and actually getting what I am trying to! 

The first one I did was a interference pattern type.  I made some concentric circles overlap and hit it with a ball mill.  I was super conservative and it took 10 minutes to cut and Im fine with that.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_20160627_140407.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Copytex.jpg)

I am working on more patterns now and of course the traditional crosshatch.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

https://youtu.be/qAog-RDbKt4

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 27, 2016, 11:08:03 PM
NICE! Interesting pattern..
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on June 27, 2016, 11:08:29 PM
I am working on more patterns now and of course the traditional crosshatch.

No need. You found the epitome of awesomeness already. :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on June 28, 2016, 07:45:53 PM
Wow! Looking good Syph. :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on June 28, 2016, 10:31:22 PM
O wow that pattern is so great Syph :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh You gonna rock out some awesome mods with that thing :o :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on June 28, 2016, 10:33:14 PM
very cool looking scale  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: strmliner on June 29, 2016, 12:08:14 AM
Congratulations on the mill and the scale Robert...I really like that pattern!  You are on to some crazy new stuff.   :woohoo:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on June 29, 2016, 02:07:57 AM
So do I just send my current pocket knife back to you for the OC scales or you send me the scales and I add them to my existing custom?  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 29, 2016, 04:00:32 AM
So do I just send my current pocket knife back to you for the OC scales or you send me the scales and I add them to my existing custom?  :D

I am pretty sure he said this would be a free service for all previous customers.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 29, 2016, 02:57:05 PM
I've got 4 styles so far of scale patterns.  I'll get some demo models built today for examples.  What Im trying to do is to do the OC texture on one of my brass/copper inlay scales so the left over portion where the old cross is, just exactly exposing the inlay metal.  That way I can polish the cross AND have the nice texture.   It will be so nice to offer more options!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 29, 2016, 03:10:06 PM
I've got 4 styles so far of scale patterns.  I'll get some demo models built today for examples.  What Im trying to do is to do the OC texture on one of my brass/copper inlay scales so the left over portion where the old cross is, just exactly exposing the inlay metal.  That way I can polish the cross AND have the nice texture.   It will be so nice to offer more options!

:popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on June 29, 2016, 03:18:49 PM
I've got 4 styles so far of scale patterns.  I'll get some demo models built today for examples.  What Im trying to do is to do the OC texture on one of my brass/copper inlay scales so the left over portion where the old cross is, just exactly exposing the inlay metal.  That way I can polish the cross AND have the nice texture.   It will be so nice to offer more options!

:popcorn:

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 29, 2016, 04:06:47 PM
Man, I don't know if I can handle all the custom SAK goodness you will be able to offer now :ahhh


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on June 29, 2016, 04:17:23 PM
Just a question, will you be able to make CT-bit-holder (the plastic part) with this wondrous machine?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 29, 2016, 04:39:41 PM
Just a question, will you be able to make CT-bit-holder (the plastic part) with this wondrous machine?

Oh its on the list for sure.

Im cutting more parts right now, then I will code the round over operation, then I can put some together.  The scales Ive shown so far just have the texture cut and that's it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 29, 2016, 06:06:15 PM
I Have something I've been pondering, do you plan to make anything besides sak related?
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 29, 2016, 06:09:21 PM
Brass bit holder and mag glass.

Next custom is coming together nicely.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 29, 2016, 06:33:02 PM
I Have something I've been pondering, do you plan to make anything besides sak related?
JR

If I filled all the SAK orders I have and have time Id for sure work on new projects.  I am designing my own pocket multitool as well.  I just have to make blades and then Ive made all the parts necessary to do my own.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on June 29, 2016, 06:34:18 PM
Is it possible to convert the original alox scales of the Pioneer to carry tweezers?
Could you make springs with an integrated glass breaker?
Any ideas on incorporating a pen and the eye glass screwdriver on alox and Ti scales?
Are Ti scales with a "silver" cross possible?
Am I asking too many questions? 😁

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on June 29, 2016, 07:30:55 PM
Is it possible to convert the original alox scales of the Pioneer to carry tweezers?
Could you make springs with an integrated glass breaker?
Any ideas on incorporating a pen and the eye glass screwdriver on alox and Ti scales?
Are Ti scales with a "silver" cross possible?
Am I asking too many questions? 😁

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 29, 2016, 09:16:54 PM
Ive got some textured sets of scales done now, but they needed internal pocketing for weight reduction still, so I'm working on that next.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Untitled.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: windson on June 29, 2016, 10:51:23 PM
Today has been my best day ever with the CNC mill.  No more leaks, and Ive finally mastered 2D patterning and actually getting what I am trying to! 

The first one I did was a interference pattern type.  I made some concentric circles overlap and hit it with a ball mill.  I was super conservative and it took 10 minutes to cut and Im fine with that.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_20160627_140407.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Copytex.jpg)

I am working on more patterns now and of course the traditional crosshatch.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

https://youtu.be/qAog-RDbKt4
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on June 30, 2016, 02:32:19 AM
This just getting better and better.
Can't wait to see what you come up with but I'm sure it'll be wonderful.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on June 30, 2016, 04:36:25 AM
This just getting better and better.
Can't wait to see what you come up with but I'm sure it'll be wonderful.

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Those were my thoughts exactly, even before I saw yours :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 30, 2016, 03:38:22 PM
This just getting better and better.
Can't wait to see what you come up with but I'm sure it'll be wonderful.

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Those were my thoughts exactly, even before I saw yours :cheers:

Now that I can cut wherever I make in CAD its like the sky is the limit now.  Last night I was cutting tweezers slots on the back scale no problems.  Then I was thinking maybe there is a better way to store them.. what about just a sliding drawer pocket in the Ti scale that you could stash whatever you want.  Make it rotate out from inside the handle with a little latch.

I have to tweak the layout of the pockets a bit still to as I need to leave room to add the build number and date.  I want to number all the Ti builds now.   My Tormach diamond drag engraver arrived too so Im going to test that out. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on June 30, 2016, 03:47:42 PM
 :salute: The gears I see are turning.  I imagine a lot of what you thought about will begin to take shape. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: willfcc on June 30, 2016, 04:29:35 PM
How about a whistle scale, like the 58mm?


Will
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 30, 2016, 05:41:19 PM
What about something simple? Going alox was one great choice in my life but you lose out on not only the tweezers, but the toothpick and now a days the pen? Or in some cases the pin, imagine a vic compact, swapping out the corkscrew for a Philips, and also the scales, but now keeping all the little extras! Idk about the pin cause that might be a little too small,, but along with everything else? That would be one heck of a knife!

Now that I think of it the pen might be a little tricky, but with a little work I think it can be doable, just rather then cutting a flat cut make a little bump for restriction, same for the toothpick?
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on June 30, 2016, 07:13:55 PM
 :dd:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 01, 2016, 01:50:28 AM
Alox/Ti scales with a place for the cellidor scale goodies would be most excellent :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aerocap on July 01, 2016, 02:20:37 AM
what about just a sliding drawer pocket in the Ti scale that you could stash whatever you want.  Make it rotate out from inside the handle with a little latch.

That is a great idea!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: batosai117 on July 01, 2016, 02:29:44 AM
Alox/Ti scales with a place for the cellidor scale goodies would be most excellent :tu:

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I concur. An Alox / Ti Swiss Champ would be great


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sLaughterMed on July 01, 2016, 03:05:31 AM
Heres a thought. What about a set of 91mm scales with 2.5mm holes, specifically for using stock parts, and exposed rivets? Bonus points for optional pocket clip and scale tools :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 01, 2016, 03:13:02 AM
Heres a thought. What about a set of 91mm scales with 2.5mm holes, specifically for using stock parts, and exposed rivets? Bonus points for optional pocket clip and scale tools :tu:

Oh to sell as a DIY build your own mod?  Thats totally doable.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aerocap on July 01, 2016, 07:10:54 AM
Heres a thought. What about a set of 91mm scales with 2.5mm holes, specifically for using stock parts, and exposed rivets? Bonus points for optional pocket clip and scale tools :tu:

Oh to sell as a DIY build your own mod?  Thats totally doable.

Sometimes it's embarrassing not to master enough English to fully understand.

You mean receiving scales, pivots and screws fitting for 91mm to self assemble the knife? I buy that today! I would mostly like to try various layouts with the tools I know I want. And learn more about the machinery inside :-)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on July 01, 2016, 12:02:29 PM
I was wondering what about modding the tools for example put an awl into 84mm frame. Can you use the machine to cut out into the size or it needs to be done by hand?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 01, 2016, 03:31:35 PM
I was wondering what about modding the tools for example put an awl into 84mm frame. Can you use the machine to cut out into the size or it needs to be done by hand?

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I can cut hardened steels but it would really wear out the bits fast.  I saw one maker who tried heat treating the knife blanks first then machining them to finish them up and while it worked I think it was not good in the long run.  It is something I will try though. The first blades I make will be from the piece of damasteel I bought ages ago.  Im going to make a fixture to hold the blanks at the proper angle then machine off a plane on each side to form the blade.  Basically a full flat grind but machined off. 


Heres a thought. What about a set of 91mm scales with 2.5mm holes, specifically for using stock parts, and exposed rivets? Bonus points for optional pocket clip and scale tools :tu:

Oh to sell as a DIY build your own mod?  Thats totally doable.

Sometimes it's embarrassing not to master enough English to fully understand.

You mean receiving scales, pivots and screws fitting for 91mm to self assemble the knife? I buy that today! I would mostly like to try various layouts with the tools I know I want. And learn more about the machinery inside :-)

It would only work for the guys that want to rivet as all the internals need to be modified and pivots created of exact length.  But I could sell a set of Ti scales and pin stock with it long enough to assemble up to a swiss champ size.   


Im working today on getting the edge round over perfect.  Ive milled the front and back faces no problem and the edges all the way around so the last part is the round over.  Seemed simple to program but Im using a ball mill with 0.002 paths and somehow I keep getting a concave instead of convex, so Im doing somethign wrong.  Thats the last operation I need to learn though before I can build pallets and run these in batches.  Having it hands off means I can have the machine producing these while I go so other work.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=274813;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on July 01, 2016, 04:40:26 PM
I've seen most blade makers grind the profiles and bevels first. Then after heat treat they finish it up. I think this is the best method by far.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 01, 2016, 06:52:34 PM
I've seen most blade makers grind the profiles and bevels first. Then after heat treat they finish it up. I think this is the best method by far.

Grinding doesnt make a huge difference, you can grind hardened steel just fine expecially with modern ceramic belts.  Some people have steel rectangles heat treated then grind them into blades.  Its nice and simple that way as you dont have to grind them twice and you never get warps.

Im talking about producing a blade without using a grinder at all though.  All machined.  A grinder would only be needed to put an edge on at the very end.  Machining hardened steels is much harder than grinding so I think Id have to do it in 2 stages.  Or one stage and finished on a grinder.   I found a canadian source for KMG grinders now so that is on my list.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 01, 2016, 11:35:44 PM
I nailed the round over for the edges.  :D  Oh yep that is copper in the cross!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_6054.jpg)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=274867;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 01, 2016, 11:53:05 PM
She's a beauty!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: batosai117 on July 02, 2016, 12:17:16 AM
Wow! That looks awesome


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Roland_KT on July 02, 2016, 12:29:20 AM
Nicely done!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on July 02, 2016, 01:26:00 AM
She's a beauty!
JR
I nailed the round over for the edges.  :D  Oh yep that is copper in the cross!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_6054.jpg)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=274867;image)


 :dd:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ_k_VG6Syc
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 02, 2016, 04:41:07 AM
Now this... this I like! Solid copper cross, but I skipped the texture on that part and machined it perfectly even with the top of the texture.  This one is a winner and I will offer this and brass variant as standard scales.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/20160701_221949.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 02, 2016, 04:42:22 AM
Now this... this I like! Solid copper cross, but I skipped the texture on that part and machined it perfectly even with the top of the texture.  This one is a winner and I will offer this and brass variant as standard scales.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/20160701_221949.jpg)

Bah the picture is not working for me.

Sigh.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 02, 2016, 04:53:55 AM
Now this... this I like! Solid copper cross, but I skipped the texture on that part and machined it perfectly even with the top of the texture.  This one is a winner and I will offer this and brass variant as standard scales.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/20160701_221949.jpg)

Bah the picture is not working for me.

Sigh.

Hmm might be photobucket.  I'll attach it.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=274877;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: cowsmilk on July 02, 2016, 05:08:42 AM
Looks like you nailed it Syph.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 02, 2016, 05:42:55 AM
Looks like you nailed it Syph.

Im quite happy for sure.  I'll do a brass one next for comparison.

And now that Ive got this machine... Im thinking why not cut tweezers and toothpicks from Ti as well.  I dont see a problem cutting one piece Ti tweezers.  Too many things to try   :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: cowsmilk on July 02, 2016, 05:44:49 AM
Sounds great. Can't wait to see.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 02, 2016, 05:45:14 AM
Looks like you nailed it Syph.

Im quite happy for sure.  I'll do a brass one next for comparison.

And now that Ive got this machine... Im thinking why not cut tweezers and toothpicks from Ti as well.  I dont see a problem cutting one piece Ti tweezers.  Too many things to try   :ahhh
Ti T&T would be cool indeed :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 02, 2016, 06:32:50 AM
Wow that is so awesome Syph :o I love both crosses textured and smooth :drool: They are beautiful and can't wait to see some tool sandwiched between them :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 02, 2016, 07:05:58 AM
Wow that's freaking nice :tu: I bet even without the brass that will be NICE! Solid Ti with the back hollowed out with the cross just carved like that in the Ti, and the edging done, sweat!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on July 02, 2016, 06:31:11 PM
Machining the steel post hardening is good for beginers, while anealed you may end up taking too much material due to how easy it is to machine it. Plus you reduce the chance of warping.

What software are you using for CAM? Could it be (and understand my verylittlediminutivealmostinexistant expirience) the different radiae of the ball end mill? From what I can imagine, the what may be happening is it machines the first path closer to the base (understand this as the flat part of the scale, the inside facing the tools). Next, as it goes up it also has to go in (in the longitudinal direction of the scales) but by doing so and considering it is using the lager diameter of the ball the smller diameters under it will start to machine a concave shape. Sorry if I sound too confusing I just wrote as I thought.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 03, 2016, 01:12:26 AM
Some more prototypes.  I wont be able to anodize the ones with copper crosses, so Im making some solid Ti ones with cross for that purpose.  I promised my wife a purple one.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_6095.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: batosai117 on July 03, 2016, 01:28:37 AM
Wow, who would have thought that from your original anodized Alox scales you would end up doing full on custom Ti scales. You are in a league of your own as far as I'm concerned when it comes to SAK modding


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 03, 2016, 02:08:44 AM
Wow, who would have thought that from your original anodized Alox scales you would end up doing full on custom Ti scales. You are in a league of your own as far as I'm concerned when it comes to SAK modding


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Ditto :salute:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Psych on July 03, 2016, 03:24:34 AM
Now this... this I like! Solid copper cross, but I skipped the texture on that part and machined it perfectly even with the top of the texture.  This one is a winner and I will offer this and brass variant as standard scales.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/20160701_221949.jpg)

Oh man!

Will there be an upgrade option for those who have purchased from you previously to switch plain TI scales with these?


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 03, 2016, 07:04:24 PM
There are so many things to try!  This is a stonewashed Ti scale, then I used an engraving bit to add the dragon scale texture.  :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=275033;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on July 03, 2016, 07:49:48 PM
There are so many things to try!  This is a stonewashed Ti scale, then I used an engraving bit to add the dragon scale texture.  :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=275033;image)

Awesome almost beyond descriptors!!!   :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 03, 2016, 07:56:46 PM
There are so many things to try!  This is a stonewashed Ti scale, then I used an engraving bit to add the dragon scale texture.  :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=275033;image)
Nice! Where's the ( + MTO ) one?
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 03, 2016, 08:11:08 PM
There are so many things to try!  This is a stonewashed Ti scale, then I used an engraving bit to add the dragon scale texture.  :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=275033;image)
Nice! Where's the ( + MTO ) one?
JR

Working on it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on July 03, 2016, 11:40:27 PM
And here we go..........  I suspect in the very near future some even more mind blowing creations coming from Canada. 

 :salute: Looking awesome so far. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 04, 2016, 12:48:51 AM
There are so many things to try!  This is a stonewashed Ti scale, then I used an engraving bit to add the dragon scale texture.  :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=275033;image)
Nice! Where's the ( + MTO ) one?
JR

Working on it.
:tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: JP on July 04, 2016, 01:15:17 AM
Now this... this I like! Solid copper cross, but I skipped the texture on that part and machined it perfectly even with the top of the texture.  This one is a winner and I will offer this and brass variant as standard scales.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/20160701_221949.jpg)
That looks great! The fidget factor will be lovely with the level Swiss Cross against the checked scale.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: JP on July 04, 2016, 01:17:20 AM
Can we sign up for a subscription service? We pay an annual fee and each month you send us a new set of custom scales?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 04, 2016, 02:08:56 AM
Can we sign up for a subscription service? We pay an annual fee and each month you send us a new set of custom scales?

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:D  Well this is why Im prototyping a bunch of scales now to decide on what will be the go ahead ones to offer.  Im not taking any orders for the new stuff yet, but it wont be more than a week or so until I have samples built of all the types.

Prototype one is together now and OMG Im so pleased!  Is that an old cross alox model... nope its a brand new super tinker dressed in titanium milled scales... (still needs tweezer on back scale though).  Starting with this model I am dating and numbering each built on the inside so they can be identified later on as to who built it, when and what number.  So this one will be 001  (first build with the Tormach machined scales.)  Or should I continue numbering from before I think I was in the 600s.  Or maybe start with a prefix like T001.   

Here is one neat thing I noticed.  The snap has a really cool sound now.  I guess because the inside of the scales are pocketed out.  The tumbled Ti sounded different.  Solid in both but there is a distinct acoustical nuance to the pocketed that I just love.  I will do a video when Ive got a bunch to show off.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_6103.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_6106.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_6129.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 04, 2016, 02:37:23 AM
Very cool Syph :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: metasyntax on July 04, 2016, 02:46:09 AM
Can we sign up for a subscription service? We pay an annual fee and each month you send us a new set of custom scales?

Maybe call it SyphBox or SAK-in-a-Box. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 04, 2016, 03:53:14 AM
 :o  This thread just gets awesomer and awesomer :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

Those scales and that knife are way cool Syph :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 04, 2016, 04:06:55 AM
Dragon scales engraved and then the whole scale anodized blue, but then I sanded the top to just leave the engraving blue... Im really liking this one.

And yes Im going nuts with the options and trying everything I can think of.

(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/CNC/MSC/IMG_20160703_215904.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 04, 2016, 04:27:50 AM
 :dd:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: JP on July 04, 2016, 05:59:10 AM
The ano in the wells of the scale really makes the dragon scales pop.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: NKlamerus on July 04, 2016, 06:08:15 AM
This may have been addressed but couldn't you cut words? Like "MTO" perhaps?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MrsSabrina on July 04, 2016, 08:08:31 AM
ok first let me begin I'm mad's wife. And I love your work. Is there anyway you could do a purple one with butterflies. And also if you could could you take payments. Like a layaway plan. We live on an extreme tight budget. But I fell in love with your style. Oh by the way nice to meet you.  :waving:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gadgetman7 on July 04, 2016, 12:38:43 PM
I Have something I've been pondering, do you plan to make anything besides sak related?
JR

If I filled all the SAK orders I have and have time Id for sure work on new projects.  I am designing my own pocket multitool as well.  I just have to make blades and then Ive made all the parts necessary to do my own.  :D

I'd be interested in your tools, especially if it has locking tools. Anything you'd like to share now?


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on July 04, 2016, 01:40:34 PM
Dragon scales engraved and then the whole scale anodized blue, but then I sanded the top to just leave the engraving blue... Im really liking this one.

And yes Im going nuts with the options and trying everything I can think of.

(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/CNC/MSC/IMG_20160703_215904.jpg)

Any of the fishing-models would work so well in those scales!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on July 04, 2016, 02:09:21 PM
Dragon scales engraved and then the whole scale anodized blue, but then I sanded the top to just leave the engraving blue... Im really liking this one.

And yes Im going nuts with the options and trying everything I can think of.

(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/CNC/MSC/IMG_20160703_215904.jpg)

Any of the fishing-models would work so well in those scales!

Or he could make a fish-scale pattern and anodize it green before sanding... :dd:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on July 05, 2016, 07:12:36 PM
Maybe if I leave MTo now and never come back, Syph won't get all of my money.

Those are some fine looking SAKs!! I really like your anodized blue!  I'll gladly order a 93mm set of scales as soon as you say when.  Maybe you would consider doing custom engraving, such as names, etc.

Seriously though, is there a take a number line?  I want to get on the list now before there's a 2 year lead time.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 05, 2016, 07:23:03 PM
Take a guess what I am making for the 10th anniversary giveaway...  :whistle:

The scale isnt finished just the engraving.

(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/CNC/MSC/20160705_124323.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SAK Guy on July 05, 2016, 07:46:40 PM
Take a guess what I am making for the 10th anniversary giveaway...  :whistle:

The scale isnt finished just the engraving.

(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/CNC/MSC/20160705_124323.jpg)

 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
 :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: m47mu74nt on July 05, 2016, 08:00:12 PM
AWESOME  :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 05, 2016, 10:59:49 PM
Take a guess what I am making for the 10th anniversary giveaway...  :whistle:

The scale isnt finished just the engraving.

(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/CNC/MSC/20160705_124323.jpg)

 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
 :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

What SAK Guy said :D

 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 05, 2016, 11:05:56 PM
Oh wow, that is freaking sweet!! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 05, 2016, 11:25:15 PM
Oh wow, that is freaking sweet!! :tu:
JR
Ditto

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: JP on July 06, 2016, 12:16:13 AM
Double Ditto

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 06, 2016, 05:35:24 AM

https://youtu.be/bQPth-SP72U
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on July 06, 2016, 06:12:56 AM
Amazing and so attractive....

I think Syph's 10th anniversary GAW will break even Syph GAW records.

Will this model be available for order or will it be a one off??
As I can see many orders for this!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 06, 2016, 03:14:09 PM
Amazing and so attractive....

I think Syph's 10th anniversary GAW will break even Syph GAW records.

Will this model be available for order or will it be a one off??
As I can see many orders for this!!

Oh for sure if you wanted an official forum scale knife I can make one for you.  Its not going to be a limited run or anything but they will be numbered and the giveaway SAK will be #001
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on July 06, 2016, 03:33:40 PM
You keep taking it up notch after notch Syph - Cracking work!  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on July 06, 2016, 04:13:14 PM
 :dd:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Demel on July 06, 2016, 04:38:38 PM
Amazing and so attractive....

I think Syph's 10th anniversary GAW will break even Syph GAW records.

Will this model be available for order or will it be a one off??
As I can see many orders for this!!

Oh for sure if you wanted an official forum scale knife I can make one for you.  Its not going to be a limited run or anything but they will be numbered and the giveaway SAK will be #001
:nanadance:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 07, 2016, 05:27:07 AM
:dd:

+1 :dd:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: strmliner on July 08, 2016, 07:50:32 AM
Take a guess what I am making for the 10th anniversary giveaway...  :whistle:

The scale isnt finished just the engraving.

(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/CNC/MSC/20160705_124323.jpg)

 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
 :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

What SAK Guy said :D

 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :drool:

Yeah...+1 !     :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aerocap on July 08, 2016, 01:01:34 PM


(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_6106.jpg)



Oh, the finish is so well made! Now this is simply my favorite picture on the forum.

("Image removed from quote" but when I click on the link it makes the picture to appear..)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 08, 2016, 07:14:48 PM
I have my first official set of CNC'd scales finished up.  Here are some shots of inside and outside and you can see the name - date - serial number engraved on the inside.  Im numbering all Ti builds from now on starting at number 1.  :D

Pocketing the scales save 14 grams total from the total.  Note also the cup milled into each side that holds the 4th hidden pin.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_6172.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_6164.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on July 08, 2016, 09:46:33 PM
 :drool:

And I can't even see the outside scale :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Etherealicer on July 08, 2016, 09:47:01 PM
Wait, it is showing now... :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on July 08, 2016, 10:35:12 PM
So can I order now?  :D  93mm OC alox pattern anodized light blue with polished OC cross?  Maybe my last name on the back side?  PLEASE!!  Seriously, just say when.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 08, 2016, 11:33:35 PM
So can I order now?  :D  93mm OC alox pattern anodized light blue with polished OC cross?  Maybe my last name on the back side?  PLEASE!!  Seriously, just say when.

I did get in another big chunk of Ti, I just need to make the holding fixture for the 93mm size then I can hook you up for sure.  I can absolutely do custom engraving if you want, that was one big feature Ive always wanted to offer I just had no way to do it before.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 08, 2016, 11:56:57 PM
On this latest episode of SAK Saga.... :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar2UErcLNlw
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 09, 2016, 12:28:29 AM
Oh that's nice! :tu:
What if you just took a Victorinox EvoGrip/evolution 16/18 and just made aluminum scales with the normal cut and with a cross?
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on July 09, 2016, 12:56:08 AM
I did get in another big chunk of Ti, I just need to make the holding fixture for the 93mm size then I can hook you up for sure.  I can absolutely do custom engraving if you want, that was one big feature Ive always wanted to offer I just had no way to do it before.

Now we play the waiting game.

Is the fixture done yet?  No?  Okay . . .

How about now?  :pok:

I can be patient, I swear!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 09, 2016, 01:18:58 AM
On this latest episode of SAK Saga.... :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar2UErcLNlw

Like sand through an hourglass these are the blades of our lives :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on July 09, 2016, 06:31:07 PM
Awesome!
Now we need the "pen, toothpick & needle integration"! :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 09, 2016, 07:03:20 PM
Awesome!
Now we need the "pen, toothpick & needle integration"! :pok:
Working on it, but not the conventional way. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 09, 2016, 08:09:49 PM
Awesome!
Now we need the "pen, toothpick & needle integration"! :pok:
Working on it, but not the conventional way.
:popcorn:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 09, 2016, 08:35:38 PM
What about custom aluminum scales for a evo?
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 10, 2016, 02:55:55 AM

(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/CNC/MSC/20160705_124323.jpg)

My sister in law asks me why the baby bottle in front of the M  :facepalm:

I did a tumbled finish on the top two scales.. pretty sweet I think!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/20160709_203918.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 10, 2016, 03:06:39 AM
Awesome!
Now we need the "pen, toothpick & needle integration"! :pok:
Working on it, but not the conventional way.
:popcorn:

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 :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 10, 2016, 03:07:38 AM

(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/CNC/MSC/20160705_124323.jpg)

My sister in law asks me why the baby bottle in front of the M  :facepalm:

I did a tumbled finish on the top two scales.. pretty sweet I think!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/20160709_203918.jpg)

I am sorry but the bottle thing got me :rofl:

They are looking sweet Syph :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 10, 2016, 03:15:52 AM

(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/CNC/MSC/20160705_124323.jpg)

My sister in law asks me why the baby bottle in front of the M  :facepalm:

I did a tumbled finish on the top two scales.. pretty sweet I think!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/20160709_203918.jpg)

I am sorry but the bottle thing got me :rofl:

They are looking sweet Syph :cheers:
Yup, now that's what I see when I look at it :facepalm:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 11, 2016, 03:16:54 PM
Using the set screw to hold in the mag glass on the brass mag glass holders I was making, I was never completely happy with.  So today I set out to redesign it.  Im thinking holding tabs above and below the glass to hod it in place, then tab that is held in by a screw to still make it possible to remove the glass which I dont want to lose.

So...lets see how this will work.  I'll need to make a fixture to hold the part accurately from both sides as I will need to machine from both sides to get the tabs cut.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=275904;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on July 11, 2016, 05:51:49 PM
Delicate work!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 11, 2016, 07:21:39 PM
Looking good and can't wait to see one finished :cheers:

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 11, 2016, 10:20:58 PM
Delicate work!

The difficult part is building the fixtures.  How to hold the work to do the work.

I did manage to get one customer knife done today.  The MTO one I redid the anodize as it wasnt perfect and bugged me.  So it still needs a polish and re-assemble.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/008/IMG_6178.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/008/IMG_6193.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/008/IMG_6203.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/008/IMG_6213.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/008/IMG_6222.jpg)


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Psych on July 11, 2016, 10:26:37 PM
Delicate work!

The difficult part is building the fixtures.  How to hold the work to do the work.

I did manage to get one customer knife done today.  The MTO one I redid the anodize as it wasnt perfect and bugged me.  So it still needs a polish and re-assemble.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/008/IMG_6178.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/008/IMG_6193.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/008/IMG_6203.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/008/IMG_6213.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/008/IMG_6222.jpg)

This knife reminds me a bit of this one:(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160711/e3775ae327f44122bbaef4fa4c948965.jpg)


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 11, 2016, 10:39:05 PM
Looking good Syph :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on July 12, 2016, 04:38:19 AM
You now, Bob - the beautiful brass holder you've designed for the mag glass is one of the main reasons I want you to do a knife for me. Started at a new job recently, and have to read alot of small numbers on many items. A pocket knife with a good magnifier would be a real blessing.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 12, 2016, 04:55:59 AM
You now, Bob - the beautiful brass holder you've designed for the mag glass is one of the main reasons I want you to do a knife for me. Started at a new job recently, and have to read alot of small numbers on many items. A pocket knife with a good magnifier would be a real blessing.  :tu:

I hear you on that.  The older I get the more often I find writing seems to be getting smaller.  :D  I hope of have some fancier brass mag glasses to show off in a couple of days

Today I finished up the fixture plate I needed for the scales.

https://youtu.be/Bs89lBqpYuw
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 12, 2016, 06:20:08 AM
I find myself eating a lot of popcorn in this thread :o :tu:

:popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on July 12, 2016, 06:24:30 AM
SO with all this amazing stuff going on and I recall you speaking of some damasteel you had...........  Do you see yourself making blades for SAKs?  Like 154cm or S30V for example? 

I can only imagine you not getting sleep due to all the possibilities of what you can do now. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 12, 2016, 07:05:56 AM
I find myself eating a lot of popcorn in this thread :o :tu:

:popcorn:
Seriously, those scales reminded me of a movie, the fifth element, it had stones that represented the elements, and of course waves..
JR
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Post by: Syph007 on July 12, 2016, 11:28:15 AM
SO with all this amazing stuff going on and I recall you speaking of some damasteel you had...........  Do you see yourself making blades for SAKs?  Like 154cm or S30V for example? 

I can only imagine you not getting sleep due to all the possibilities of what you can do now.

Yes for sure.  I've been researching and I'm going with CPM154.   Great steel and pretty afforable.  I belive I can make fixtures to blank the blades out and do the majority of the stock removal.   Personally I want some full flat grind wharncliff baldes. 
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Post by: pfrsantos on July 12, 2016, 01:05:37 PM

(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/CNC/MSC/20160705_124323.jpg)

My sister in law asks me why the baby bottle in front of the M  :facepalm:


Didn't knew you were into RPG, too. That's a new class, the MultiTool Orc? I played Elf Rangers, Halfling Thieves. Gonna try that Orc next...
 :D :D
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Post by: shibafu on July 12, 2016, 01:38:12 PM
SO with all this amazing stuff going on and I recall you speaking of some damasteel you had...........  Do you see yourself making blades for SAKs?  Like 154cm or S30V for example? 

I can only imagine you not getting sleep due to all the possibilities of what you can do now.

Yes for sure.  I've been researching and I'm going with CPM154.   Great steel and pretty afforable.  I belive I can make fixtures to blank the blades out and do the majority of the stock removal.   Personally I want some full flat grind wharncliff baldes.

:o that would be amazing!  CPM154 sounds like a great choice. S30V is hard work to sharpen and seems like overkill for an SAK.
Will you be selling just the bare blades?  And will you be able to do them with standard 3mm pivot holes rather than the 1/8" that you use?
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Post by: Syph007 on July 12, 2016, 02:19:07 PM
SO with all this amazing stuff going on and I recall you speaking of some damasteel you had...........  Do you see yourself making blades for SAKs?  Like 154cm or S30V for example? 

I can only imagine you not getting sleep due to all the possibilities of what you can do now.

Yes for sure.  I've been researching and I'm going with CPM154.   Great steel and pretty afforable.  I belive I can make fixtures to blank the blades out and do the majority of the stock removal.   Personally I want some full flat grind wharncliff baldes.

:o that would be amazing!  CPM154 sounds like a great choice. S30V is hard work to sharpen and seems like overkill for an SAK.
Will you be selling just the bare blades?  And will you be able to do them with standard 3mm pivot holes rather than the 1/8" that you use?

From the place I buy it.

"CPM 154 is the good stuff.  It has excellent edge retention, fine, evenly distriuted carbides, great stain resistance and is twice as tough as regular 154CM at the same hardness.  This allows for thinner blades and edge geometry which results in better cutting.  As a bonus, it takes a better mirror finish than any other blade steel we know of. "

I have to learn to heat treat it and then I can make whatever people want.  The idea of a custom tool for me is about being as flexible as possible as really that is the value I think in getting something custom.
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Post by: Psych on July 12, 2016, 02:22:09 PM
SO with all this amazing stuff going on and I recall you speaking of some damasteel you had...........  Do you see yourself making blades for SAKs?  Like 154cm or S30V for example? 

I can only imagine you not getting sleep due to all the possibilities of what you can do now.

Yes for sure.  I've been researching and I'm going with CPM154.   Great steel and pretty afforable.  I belive I can make fixtures to blank the blades out and do the majority of the stock removal.   Personally I want some full flat grind wharncliff baldes.

Is there a possibility for clip point blades?


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Post by: Syph007 on July 12, 2016, 02:27:13 PM
SO with all this amazing stuff going on and I recall you speaking of some damasteel you had...........  Do you see yourself making blades for SAKs?  Like 154cm or S30V for example? 

I can only imagine you not getting sleep due to all the possibilities of what you can do now.

Yes for sure.  I've been researching and I'm going with CPM154.   Great steel and pretty afforable.  I belive I can make fixtures to blank the blades out and do the majority of the stock removal.   Personally I want some full flat grind wharncliff baldes.

Is there a possibility for clip point blades?


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Yep, Ive been debating the pros and cons of the different shapes and I know the clip point is the more traditional north american pocket knife style.   A tanto or reverse tanto is also something Im interested in as it very functional as a utility knife.
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Post by: Poncho65 on July 12, 2016, 03:24:50 PM
 :ahhh All of this sounds better an better each time I come to this thread :drool:

:dd:
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Post by: Monrogue on July 12, 2016, 05:11:00 PM
:ahhh All of this sounds better an better each time I come to this thread :drool:

:dd:
It's exciting, but I fear for my finances ;)

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Post by: lichan on July 12, 2016, 06:37:50 PM
So, you are basically "tiling the plane" on the scales. Which brings to my mind the great tessellation etchings of M.C. Escher, which are still under copyright, unfortunately. But you could create your own!
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on July 12, 2016, 10:02:51 PM
So, you are basically "tiling the plane" on the scales. Which brings to my mind the great tessellation etchings of M.C. Escher, which are still under copyright, unfortunately. But you could create your own!

I had to look that up but those do look awesome.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 13, 2016, 12:10:56 AM
Its pretty hard to tell but the cross on this one is mokume.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6247.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6246.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6240.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6257.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6265.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6273.jpg)
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Post by: SAK Guy on July 13, 2016, 03:50:54 AM
Enhanced for detail...
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 13, 2016, 06:14:45 AM
Its pretty hard to tell but the cross on this one is mokume.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6247.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6246.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6240.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6257.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6265.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6273.jpg)

Looks coppery.

Is that a word?
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Post by: Syncop8r on July 13, 2016, 07:59:03 AM
Its pretty hard to tell but the cross on this one is mokume.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6247.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6246.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6240.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6257.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6265.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/002/IMG_6273.jpg)

Looks coppery.

Is that a word?

It's a perfectly cromulent word to use.
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Post by: firiki on July 13, 2016, 10:44:10 AM
So, you are basically "tiling the plane" on the scales. Which brings to my mind the great tessellation etchings of M.C. Escher, which are still under copyright, unfortunately. But you could create your own!

I had to look that up but those do look awesome.

+1

Gotta luv :MTO:

I keep learning about the most diverse things.  :)
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Psych on July 15, 2016, 03:58:52 AM
I think I'm going through withdrawal because this thread hasn't been updated today.


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Post by: Syph007 on July 15, 2016, 04:14:43 AM
I've spent 2 days on brass mag glass redesign and fixture making.  I'm taking video as I go though. Might have something to show tomorrow.
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Post by: Poncho65 on July 15, 2016, 01:52:56 PM
 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh So exciting :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

 :popcorn:
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Post by: Lardlad on July 15, 2016, 04:50:41 PM
Can't wait to see the new mag glass design.
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Post by: Aloha on July 15, 2016, 10:50:53 PM
The suspense  :ahhh
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Post by: Syph007 on July 16, 2016, 12:18:34 AM
I should clarify Ive spent 2 days on the FIXTURE for holding the material to make the holder.  Ive got to the point where I can make the body fine and to tolerance, but I still have to cut the new lens retaining grooves.  At least this is a one time pain job that I can use to make as many of them as I want.  :D

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Post by: Poncho65 on July 16, 2016, 03:23:10 PM
That sounds awesome :o :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on July 18, 2016, 01:57:11 AM
Mag glass holder is 95% done now.

Meanwhile...

I put together this super tinker to see how the textured Titanium scales looked after ceramic tumbling. Very nice I think. This one also has a copper cross. The only difference with this texture versus smooth is it took longer (36hrs) in the tumbler to get a nice even look.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/004/IMG_6331.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/004/IMG_6359.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/004/IMG_6370.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/004/IMG_6336.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/004/IMG_6342.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/004/IMG_6380.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/004/IMG_6388.jpg)

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Post by: Poncho65 on July 18, 2016, 02:59:17 AM
That is just beautiful :dd:
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Post by: sLaughterMed on July 18, 2016, 04:14:42 AM
When can we expect an update on the toothpick and pen slots?
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Post by: m47mu74nt on July 19, 2016, 07:07:52 PM
Damned, now i want a Ti trail-guide with blue or gold/bronze anod  :facepalm:
and a Phillips instead of corkscrew
and T&T
and OC + old cadet lines pattern
and a secret pocket in the Ti on the inside with a thin metal cover to store a microSD card

ok, i'm dreaming  :oops:
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Post by: windson on July 19, 2016, 07:25:08 PM
Damned, now i want a Ti trail-guide with blue or gold/bronze anod  :facepalm:
and a Phillips instead of corkscrew
and T&T
and OC + old cadet lines pattern
and a secret pocket in the Ti on the inside with a thin metal cover to store a microSD card

ok, i'm dreaming  :oops:

This. Plus a cybertool layer with the bitholder in Ti. Yes, that would be it.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 19, 2016, 08:21:48 PM
5 days of work, but now I am super happy with the mag glass holder.   Take a guess how the lens is held in, its not glue and the answer was so simple it was a total facepalm when I figured it out.   No more set screws for me.

Im happy to offer customer name engraving now too.  Go Tormach!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/003/IMG_6403.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/003/IMG_6409.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/003/IMG_6430.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/CNC_A/003/IMG_6399.jpg)
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Post by: SteveC on July 19, 2016, 08:30:09 PM
Did you expand it with heat and then pop the lens in ?
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Post by: Syph007 on July 19, 2016, 08:54:09 PM
Did you expand it with heat and then pop the lens in ?

Nope but I did think of that.  It didnt expand enough when heated to work when I tried.
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Post by: windson on July 19, 2016, 08:57:12 PM
Did you expand it with heat and then pop the lens in ?

Nope but I did think of that.  It didnt expand enough when heated to work when I tried.
Alternating tabs from the front and back, respectively?
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Post by: Poncho65 on July 19, 2016, 08:58:58 PM
 ??? :shrug:

Come on just tell us I am terrible at the guessing game :pok: :D
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Post by: jaya_man on July 19, 2016, 09:01:11 PM
Did you use some type of spray or lubricant to slip the glass into place? Maybe some some sort of thread?


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Post by: Syph007 on July 19, 2016, 09:22:10 PM
Nothing there except brass and glass.  The only machined feature is one inner lip that prevents the glass from passing though one side.

The solution was so simple I didn't even believe it until I tried it and proved to myself it worked.  The glass can not be removed even with firm figure pressure.
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Post by: SteveC on July 19, 2016, 09:24:35 PM
Friction press fit ?
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Post by: m47mu74nt on July 19, 2016, 09:35:35 PM
Nothing there except brass and glass.  The only machined feature is one inner lip that prevents the glass from passing though one side.

The solution was so simple I didn't even believe it until I tried it and proved to myself it worked.  The glass can not be removed even with firm figure pressure.

something like a depression in the center part so once its press fitted it can't go back?
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Post by: Poncho65 on July 19, 2016, 09:51:16 PM
I know, I know :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh



 :cheers:



It's magic :o



 :whistle:


 :D
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Post by: Syph007 on July 19, 2016, 11:03:33 PM
Friction press fit ?

Getting warmer but the glass drops in loose
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Post by: SteveC on July 19, 2016, 11:12:14 PM
Is the frame slightly oval and when you drop the lens in you turn it so that it tightens to a friction fit ?
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Post by: Syph007 on July 19, 2016, 11:21:53 PM
Is the frame slightly oval and when you drop the lens in you turn it so that it tightens to a friction fit ?

Still warm, but that would only work if the lens was oval too and its round.
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Post by: SteveC on July 19, 2016, 11:31:00 PM
We need some more clues or I'm with Poncho and going with magic   :D
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Post by: Syph007 on July 19, 2016, 11:35:11 PM
Its a snug fit to start with just 0.001" extra on the diameter, and then the magic is... I squeeze it in a padded vice to pinch it tight.  I wasn't sure if that would hold it in, but it did and it doesn't move or come out with max force of my fingers.  To release it I would just squeeze in a perpendicular direction.   

I spent days testing way more complex solutions that all sucked.  Then I think... squeeze it.  And dammit it worked just fine.  The set screw idea of version 1 was so fiddly to do I hated it.   So now I can make this in 3 machining operations and have it work repeatably. 
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Post by: SteveC on July 19, 2016, 11:39:38 PM
I love simple solutions   :cheers:

 So I was close as in you effectively make the frame microscopically oval by squeezing it a bit.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 19, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
I love simple solutions   :cheers:

 So I was close as in you effectively make the frame microscopically oval by squeezing it a bit.

Yup!  Its worth taking longer to come up with a simple solution, then quickly figure out a complicated one...

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Post by: hiraethus on July 19, 2016, 11:42:05 PM
I wonder how hard you can squeeze it before you break the lens?
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Post by: SteveC on July 19, 2016, 11:42:43 PM
I love simple solutions   :cheers:

 So I was close as in you effectively make the frame microscopically oval by squeezing it a bit.

Yup!  Its worth taking longer to come up with a simple solution, then quickly figure out a complicated one...

Words of wisdom there   :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on July 19, 2016, 11:46:54 PM
I wonder how hard you can squeeze it before you break the lens?

I wondered that as I was watching the glass, then I put on safety goggles... then nothing bad happened.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 19, 2016, 11:47:23 PM
Here are the other things I tried

1.  Machine press fit ring to hold it it.  Fail as it wastes more brass sheet, more machine time and didnt look good.
2.  Crazy glue - Really sucked as I could never keep it from being visible at the edges.
3.  Clear silicone - Same problem as glue
4.  Machine tabs to hold it in - Worked but had the effect of making the glass look non round so esthetic fail and also more machine time.
5.  Machine oversize ring to then screw over top.  Way more machine time and then I need screws and drilling and tapping.. yuck
6.  Machine 2 thinner versions each with a lip then sandwich them.  Double machine time, more material used, and a seam down the center....
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Post by: Roland_KT on July 20, 2016, 01:54:05 AM
Looks great!

I'm going to do something similar but machine the lens bore in softjaws, with of course slight tension on the vise. After the bore and slot are machined, release the jaws and it should spring to a slight oval shape. Well see..
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Post by: Monrogue on July 20, 2016, 03:18:14 AM
Nice work Syph :tu:
Now I want an engraved SAK.....
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Post by: Poncho65 on July 20, 2016, 03:52:19 AM
We need some more clues or I'm with Poncho and going with magic   :D

Since the glass didn't break in a vise it still may be magic :think: :D

Awesome way to get the glass in Syph :cheers:
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Post by: shibafu on July 20, 2016, 12:19:28 PM
Yup!  Its worth taking longer to come up with a simple solution, then quickly figure out a complicated one...

The essence of engineering!
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Post by: Syph007 on July 21, 2016, 11:26:24 PM
Playing around this morning with the diamond engraver.  :D

https://youtu.be/aXxoXJEHd2Q
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Post by: SteveC on July 21, 2016, 11:42:00 PM
Nice smurfing job  :D       :tu: :tu:
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Post by: Huntsman on July 22, 2016, 01:27:26 AM
Nice little Piece of Smurf - Syph  >:D  :D

I agree that the image is a little complex for the size - the diagram on the screen did not look too good - However on the blade it looks pretty good!!

Here are the other things I tried:
1.  Machine press fit ring to hold it it.  Fail as it wastes more brass sheet, more machine time and didnt look good.
2.  Crazy glue - Really sucked as I could never keep it from being visible at the edges.
3.  Clear silicone - Same problem as glue
4.  Machine tabs to hold it in - Worked but had the effect of making the glass look non round so esthetic fail and also more machine time.
5.  Machine oversize ring to then screw over top.  Way more machine time and then I need screws and drilling and tapping.. yuck
6.  Machine 2 thinner versions each with a lip then sandwich them.  Double machine time, more material used, and a seam down the center....

Gosh - How many hours work and wasted parts is all that ?? Especially if you include version 1 with the screw!!
I know exactly what you mean about looking for the complex solution when there is a really simple one - I am doing this all the time - at home and work!!  :rant:
As always - I'm in total admiration of your perseverence, ingenuity and complete commitment to doing a top quality job! You will stop short of nothing less than excellence!

PS. Noticed the bite on you finger right at the beginning of the vid  :o
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Post by: Poncho65 on July 22, 2016, 03:48:25 AM
That was pretty awesome :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on July 22, 2016, 04:11:48 AM
Nice little Piece of Smurf - Syph  >:D  :D

I agree that the image is a little complex for the size - the diagram on the screen did not look too good - However on the blade it looks pretty good!!

Here are the other things I tried:
1.  Machine press fit ring to hold it it.  Fail as it wastes more brass sheet, more machine time and didnt look good.
2.  Crazy glue - Really sucked as I could never keep it from being visible at the edges.
3.  Clear silicone - Same problem as glue
4.  Machine tabs to hold it in - Worked but had the effect of making the glass look non round so esthetic fail and also more machine time.
5.  Machine oversize ring to then screw over top.  Way more machine time and then I need screws and drilling and tapping.. yuck
6.  Machine 2 thinner versions each with a lip then sandwich them.  Double machine time, more material used, and a seam down the center....

Gosh - How many hours work and wasted parts is all that ?? Especially if you include version 1 with the screw!!
I know exactly what you mean about looking for the complex solution when there is a really simple one - I am doing this all the time - at home and work!!  :rant:
As always - I'm in total admiration of your perseverence, ingenuity and complete commitment to doing a top quality job! You will stop short of nothing less than excellence!

PS. Noticed the bite on you finger right at the beginning of the vid  :o

It looks really good in person.  Was mostly a test of the engraver I was after anyhow.  :D

Ive got quite a few wounds at the moment.  Opened up my middle finger today with a nice sharp SAK blade and introduced my thumb to a slitting saw a few days ago.  When I finally get done the R&D phase for 91mm my fingers can rest up.  :D  I was going to move to 93 next but the 84mm demand is still pretty high so I might as well tackel that next and have some CNC fixtures for doing that backspring hack to fit scissors on there.  A skeletonized 84mm Ti handle would be super light.
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Post by: Poncho65 on July 22, 2016, 04:37:19 AM
Nice little Piece of Smurf - Syph  >:D  :D

I agree that the image is a little complex for the size - the diagram on the screen did not look too good - However on the blade it looks pretty good!!

Here are the other things I tried:
1.  Machine press fit ring to hold it it.  Fail as it wastes more brass sheet, more machine time and didnt look good.
2.  Crazy glue - Really sucked as I could never keep it from being visible at the edges.
3.  Clear silicone - Same problem as glue
4.  Machine tabs to hold it in - Worked but had the effect of making the glass look non round so esthetic fail and also more machine time.
5.  Machine oversize ring to then screw over top.  Way more machine time and then I need screws and drilling and tapping.. yuck
6.  Machine 2 thinner versions each with a lip then sandwich them.  Double machine time, more material used, and a seam down the center....

Gosh - How many hours work and wasted parts is all that ?? Especially if you include version 1 with the screw!!
I know exactly what you mean about looking for the complex solution when there is a really simple one - I am doing this all the time - at home and work!!  :rant:
As always - I'm in total admiration of your perseverence, ingenuity and complete commitment to doing a top quality job! You will stop short of nothing less than excellence!

PS. Noticed the bite on you finger right at the beginning of the vid  :o

It looks really good in person.  Was mostly a test of the engraver I was after anyhow.  :D

Ive got quite a few wounds at the moment.  Opened up my middle finger today with a nice sharp SAK blade and introduced my thumb to a slitting saw a few days ago.  When I finally get done the R&D phase for 91mm my fingers can rest up.  :D  I was going to move to 93 next but the 84mm demand is still pretty high so I might as well tackel that next and have some CNC fixtures for doing that backspring hack to fit scissors on there.  A skeletonized 84mm Ti handle would be super light.

Someone was saying that a person needs to use gloves when using a MT or knife the other day on here :whistle:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on July 22, 2016, 12:24:02 PM
Nice little Piece of Smurf - Syph  >:D  :D

I agree that the image is a little complex for the size - the diagram on the screen did not look too good - However on the blade it looks pretty good!!

Here are the other things I tried:
1.  Machine press fit ring to hold it it.  Fail as it wastes more brass sheet, more machine time and didnt look good.
2.  Crazy glue - Really sucked as I could never keep it from being visible at the edges.
3.  Clear silicone - Same problem as glue
4.  Machine tabs to hold it in - Worked but had the effect of making the glass look non round so esthetic fail and also more machine time.
5.  Machine oversize ring to then screw over top.  Way more machine time and then I need screws and drilling and tapping.. yuck
6.  Machine 2 thinner versions each with a lip then sandwich them.  Double machine time, more material used, and a seam down the center....

Gosh - How many hours work and wasted parts is all that ?? Especially if you include version 1 with the screw!!
I know exactly what you mean about looking for the complex solution when there is a really simple one - I am doing this all the time - at home and work!!  :rant:
As always - I'm in total admiration of your perseverence, ingenuity and complete commitment to doing a top quality job! You will stop short of nothing less than excellence!

PS. Noticed the bite on you finger right at the beginning of the vid  :o

It looks really good in person.  Was mostly a test of the engraver I was after anyhow.  :D

Ive got quite a few wounds at the moment.  Opened up my middle finger today with a nice sharp SAK blade and introduced my thumb to a slitting saw a few days ago.  When I finally get done the R&D phase for 91mm my fingers can rest up.  :D  I was going to move to 93 next but the 84mm demand is still pretty high so I might as well tackel that next and have some CNC fixtures for doing that backspring hack to fit scissors on there.  A skeletonized 84mm Ti handle would be super light.
I'm in for another 84 mm this time I'll send you parts for bladeless 84 mm Ti.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on July 23, 2016, 03:25:13 AM
Someone was saying that a person needs to use gloves when using a MT or knife the other day on here :whistle:

Hmmm - So he was right after all !!   :pok:  ???
... Especially when around Kevin Davey's mum!!  :o
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 23, 2016, 05:32:39 AM
Someone was saying that a person needs to use gloves when using a MT or knife the other day on here :whistle:

Hmmm - So he was right after all !!   :pok:  ???
... Especially when around Kevin Davey's mum!!  :o

Especially around Kevin's mom :o :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh May need a suit of armor as well :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 27, 2016, 09:52:16 PM
After stuggling today to cut up some stock material I had enough and ordered a band saw.  I managed this long witout one, but I cant take it any more.  :D

It's little but will do the job I need.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 27, 2016, 09:57:33 PM
Dang, I have a small hand one, I almost bought the base that turned it into what you got, but that was more then the freaking saw, just gotta know how to work it.. Looking good syph!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 28, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
Textured and tumbled finish Ti marlin spike model going together today.  :D

Ive had these cut for awhile waiting for the customer to give the go ahead.   
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jaya_man on July 28, 2016, 04:03:49 PM
Love it soo much


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 28, 2016, 07:58:17 PM
And... here we go...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom573/IMG_6844.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom573/IMG_6814.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom573/IMG_6763.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom573/IMG_6770.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom573/IMG_6781.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom573/IMG_6784.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom573/IMG_6805.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sLaughterMed on July 28, 2016, 08:34:53 PM
And... here we go...

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom573/IMG_6844.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom573/IMG_6814.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom573/IMG_6763.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom573/IMG_6770.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom573/IMG_6781.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom573/IMG_6784.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom573/IMG_6805.jpg)
:drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on July 28, 2016, 08:52:39 PM
very nice  :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 29, 2016, 03:25:39 AM
So many ideas :dd:

I love these pics and updates Syph :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 29, 2016, 02:49:20 PM
Nice spike!  :drool:
How about a monster awl?  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on August 05, 2016, 05:20:42 PM
So, when are you ready to make some blue anodized 93mm OC Ti scales?  I'm ready whenever you are!  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 05, 2016, 08:12:39 PM
So, when are you ready to make some blue anodized 93mm OC Ti scales?  I'm ready whenever you are!  :D

Start of next week.  My bandsaw arrived and I'm cutting up 93mm size Ti slabs right now.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on August 05, 2016, 08:50:49 PM
Start of next week.  My bandsaw arrived and I'm cutting up 93mm size Ti slabs right now.

Where's the like button these days?

That's great news!  I'm really looking forward to what the newly retooled Syph can do!  So many possibilities!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on August 09, 2016, 05:08:19 PM
Is it possible to put the Electrician's blade where the Awl is (opposite the main blade) on a 93mm?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on August 09, 2016, 05:20:51 PM
Should be, with a bit of a bend to get it to sit next to the scale.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on August 09, 2016, 05:23:25 PM
Here's one of Syph's:
(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/93mm_alox/Custom086/04.jpg)
(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/93mm_alox/Custom086/02.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on August 09, 2016, 05:27:30 PM
Here's one of Syph's:
(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/93mm_alox/Custom086/04.jpg)
(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/93mm_alox/Custom086/02.jpg)

Excellent!

Thanks for the reply. Since I'd be looking to commission Syph to do the mod (once I get the donors), it's good to know he's made it work before. :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 10, 2016, 01:29:34 AM
Here's one of Syph's:
(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/93mm_alox/Custom086/04.jpg)
(http://www.sakmodder.com/customs/93mm_alox/Custom086/02.jpg)

Excellent!

Thanks for the reply. Since I'd be looking to commission Syph to do the mod (once I get the donors), it's good to know he's made it work before. :tu:

It needs a wee bend tweak but it works just fine.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stardori on August 10, 2016, 07:32:48 AM
Oh, I found u are here. Would you please check the query via Messenger?
Thank you.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 11, 2016, 05:37:28 PM
Start of next week.  My bandsaw arrived and I'm cutting up 93mm size Ti slabs right now.

Where's the like button these days?

That's great news!  I'm really looking forward to what the newly retooled Syph can do!  So many possibilities!

Here's a set of blue anodized ones I just finished.  Is this what you were thinking?  The insides are pocketed as well.  This is just a quick cell phone pic, they look intense blue in person.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=280760;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on August 11, 2016, 05:49:35 PM
Start of next week.  My bandsaw arrived and I'm cutting up 93mm size Ti slabs right now.

Where's the like button these days?

That's great news!  I'm really looking forward to what the newly retooled Syph can do!  So many possibilities!

Here's a set of blue anodized ones I just finished.  Is this what you were thinking?  The insides are pocketed as well.  This is just a quick cell phone pic, they look intense blue in person.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=280760;image)

Those are nice! :tu:

Any way to polish the cross so that it is shiny, bare Ti and the rest is anodized?

Still thinking of how to get a 'white' cross on a coloured scale. Whether with an insert of polish... :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 11, 2016, 05:53:03 PM
Start of next week.  My bandsaw arrived and I'm cutting up 93mm size Ti slabs right now.

Where's the like button these days?

That's great news!  I'm really looking forward to what the newly retooled Syph can do!  So many possibilities!

Here's a set of blue anodized ones I just finished.  Is this what you were thinking?  The insides are pocketed as well.  This is just a quick cell phone pic, they look intense blue in person.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=280760;image)

Those are nice! :tu:

Any way to polish the cross so that it is shiny, bare Ti and the rest is anodized?

Still thinking of how to get a 'white' cross on a coloured scale. Whether with an insert of polish... :think:

Yup the cross could be polished for sure. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on August 11, 2016, 06:16:35 PM
Wow!!  Those are amazing!  If that cross was polished, that'd be the ticket!  Old meets new and all that!

So, where do you want my money and how much of it?  Hah!  Just leave me enough for Top Ramen.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on August 11, 2016, 06:16:59 PM
Start of next week.  My bandsaw arrived and I'm cutting up 93mm size Ti slabs right now.

Where's the like button these days?

That's great news!  I'm really looking forward to what the newly retooled Syph can do!  So many possibilities!

Here's a set of blue anodized ones I just finished.  Is this what you were thinking?  The insides are pocketed as well.  This is just a quick cell phone pic, they look intense blue in person.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=280760;image)

Those are nice! :tu:

Any way to polish the cross so that it is shiny, bare Ti and the rest is anodized?

Still thinking of how to get a 'white' cross on a coloured scale. Whether with an insert of polish... :think:

Yup the cross could be polished for sure.

Nice.

93mm blue anodized Ti OC goodness with a polished cross. :drool:

I'm getting closer to having my custom planned out. Still waiting on a couple of donors and to try a couple of blade styles before I finalize it.

Have you done any in Bronze anodize?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 11, 2016, 07:11:48 PM
Haha ok now I better deliver.  I figured I can made a thin metal mask to protect the anodize then polish the cross.  Let me try.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on August 11, 2016, 07:25:03 PM
Bob, I love that you post here and interact with everybody so much.  It's part of what makes your knives so amazing.  We get to watch the decision process, the trial and error, the mastery of skill.  And at the end, we get to see it all come together into something gorgeous and functional.  It makes us feel like conspirators in the creation of something great.  Like DaVinci asking the people at the local tavern for input on the Mona Lisa.  That bit of personal investment we feel (at least I feel) at being part of the process makes the end result much more personal.  Thank you for sharing your process with us.

Now let's see that polished OC!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 11, 2016, 08:27:09 PM
Bob, I love that you post here and interact with everybody so much.  It's part of what makes your knives so amazing.  We get to watch the decision process, the trial and error, the mastery of skill.  And at the end, we get to see it all come together into something gorgeous and functional.  It makes us feel like conspirators in the creation of something great.  Like DaVinci asking the people at the local tavern for input on the Mona Lisa.  That bit of personal investment we feel (at least I feel) at being part of the process makes the end result much more personal.  Thank you for sharing your process with us.

Now let's see that polished OC!!

Thanks very much! And... it worked out great!

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=280771;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on August 11, 2016, 08:47:11 PM
Bob, I love that you post here and interact with everybody so much.  It's part of what makes your knives so amazing.  We get to watch the decision process, the trial and error, the mastery of skill.  And at the end, we get to see it all come together into something gorgeous and functional.  It makes us feel like conspirators in the creation of something great.  Like DaVinci asking the people at the local tavern for input on the Mona Lisa.  That bit of personal investment we feel (at least I feel) at being part of the process makes the end result much more personal.  Thank you for sharing your process with us.

Now let's see that polished OC!!

Thanks very much! And... it worked out great!

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=280771;image)

 :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

Wow! Just, wow! :ahhh

Those look beautiful!

Any chance you can do a set in Bronze anodize to show off? I'm torn between blue and bronze. I may have to go with a different colour on both sides. :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on August 11, 2016, 09:07:02 PM
I have waited so long for that which you have made.  There was a time I toyed around with CAD and having a machine shop make some and then the whole anodizing process, etc.  What you and your machines have produced is exactly what I envisioned at the start.  It looks amazing!  :drool:

So, do you want to sell that beautiful set of scales to me?  Please say yes!



I was always terrible at hiding my excitement.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on August 11, 2016, 09:11:57 PM
Bob, I love that you post here and interact with everybody so much.  It's part of what makes your knives so amazing.  We get to watch the decision process, the trial and error, the mastery of skill.  And at the end, we get to see it all come together into something gorgeous and functional.  It makes us feel like conspirators in the creation of something great.  Like DaVinci asking the people at the local tavern for input on the Mona Lisa.  That bit of personal investment we feel (at least I feel) at being part of the process makes the end result much more personal.  Thank you for sharing your process with us.

Now let's see that polished OC!!

Thanks very much! And... it worked out great!

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=280771;image)


Looks awesome !!!

I was wondering is the cross placed slightly higher on your scales compared to an original or is it just an illusion due to the holes being bigger ?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on August 11, 2016, 09:18:26 PM
Those are just so awesome on so many different levels Syph :dd:

 :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on August 11, 2016, 09:18:45 PM
All I have to compare it to are some photos of an OC I cleaned up, but they look similarly positioned.  Maybe just a hair higher.  The inner cross corners also look slightly more square on the original OC.

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/BigRed/A_frame_after_1.jpg)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=280771;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on August 11, 2016, 09:30:44 PM
What are your current options for liners, Syph?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 11, 2016, 09:32:03 PM
What are your current options for liners, Syph?

Stock nickel silver and brass are all i have right now.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: daverobson on August 12, 2016, 09:38:53 AM
Is it possible to put the Electrician's blade where the Awl is (opposite the main blade) on a 93mm?

Here's my EDC & favourite ever SAK which was made by Syph007
An Alox Explorer with electricians blade.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cleanser on August 15, 2016, 11:13:07 PM
Are Ti scales ever sold separately? Would consider for an existing farmer mod.. :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 15, 2016, 11:15:20 PM
Are Ti scales ever sold separately? Would consider for an existing farmer mod.. :drool:

Yes for sure that's not a problem.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on August 16, 2016, 12:57:50 AM
Is it possible to put the Electrician's blade where the Awl is (opposite the main blade) on a 93mm?

Here's my EDC & favourite ever SAK which was made by Syph007
An Alox Explorer with electricians blade.

Very nice Dave :cheers: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: daverobson on August 16, 2016, 01:12:30 AM
Very nice Dave :cheers: :like:

Thanks Poncho :tu:
I can honestly say that it not only gets carried every day it also gets used at least once a day.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on August 16, 2016, 03:34:07 AM
Bob, I love that you post here and interact with everybody so much.  It's part of what makes your knives so amazing.  We get to watch the decision process, the trial and error, the mastery of skill.  And at the end, we get to see it all come together into something gorgeous and functional.  It makes us feel like conspirators in the creation of something great.  Like DaVinci asking the people at the local tavern for input on the Mona Lisa.  That bit of personal investment we feel (at least I feel) at being part of the process makes the end result much more personal.  Thank you for sharing your process with us.

Very nicely put 67.
I could not agree more.
I am amazed our good buddy is so open with his trials and errors -
Not that there is anything to hide - But sharing failures (or let's say unsuccessful attempts  ;) ) and speSmurfpillst knowledge - as well as successes is a very rare and commendable characteristic.

And of course seeing things evolve makes them that much more special for us the observers, or even co-conspirators  ;)  - as you put it  :)  ........ And also helps us learn stuff too - if we ever get into any of these activities.

The other thing that I love is the constant changes of direction and new creations - Not much over a year ago all we were just looking at in this thread were various scissor and layer additions to a 93mm alox knife -  Now look where we are !     -   :o  wooo hooo  8)

Thanks Syph - We are so priviliged to have you in our forum !!  :tu:  :salute:
And thanks for sharing!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on August 16, 2016, 10:02:37 AM
Bob, I love that you post here and interact with everybody so much.  It's part of what makes your knives so amazing.  We get to watch the decision process, the trial and error, the mastery of skill.  And at the end, we get to see it all come together into something gorgeous and functional.  It makes us feel like conspirators in the creation of something great.  Like DaVinci asking the people at the local tavern for input on the Mona Lisa.  That bit of personal investment we feel (at least I feel) at being part of the process makes the end result much more personal.  Thank you for sharing your process with us.

Very nicely put 67.
I could not agree more.
I am amazed our good buddy is so open with his trials and errors -
Not that there is anything to hide - But sharing failures (or let's say unsuccessful attempts  ;) ) and speSmurfpillst knowledge - as well as successes is a very rare and commendable characteristic.

And of course seeing things evolve makes them that much more special for us the observers, or even co-conspirators  ;)  - as you put it  :)  ........ And also helps us learn stuff too - if we ever get into any of these activities.

The other thing that I love is the constant changes of direction and new creations - Not much over a year ago all we were just looking at in this thread were various scissor and layer additions to a 93mm alox knife -  Now look where we are !     -   :o  wooo hooo  8)

Thanks Syph - We are so priviliged to have you in our forum !!  :tu:  :salute:
And thanks for sharing!!
Couldn't agree more  :tu:  :cheers:  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on August 16, 2016, 04:06:17 PM
Very nice Dave :cheers: :like:

Thanks Poncho :tu:
I can honestly say that it not only gets carried every day it also gets used at least once a day.

That is awesome to hear it gets used so much :cheers: I can see what as it is a very good configuration :dd: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on August 16, 2016, 04:06:48 PM
Bob, I love that you post here and interact with everybody so much.  It's part of what makes your knives so amazing.  We get to watch the decision process, the trial and error, the mastery of skill.  And at the end, we get to see it all come together into something gorgeous and functional.  It makes us feel like conspirators in the creation of something great.  Like DaVinci asking the people at the local tavern for input on the Mona Lisa.  That bit of personal investment we feel (at least I feel) at being part of the process makes the end result much more personal.  Thank you for sharing your process with us.

Very nicely put 67.
I could not agree more.
I am amazed our good buddy is so open with his trials and errors -
Not that there is anything to hide - But sharing failures (or let's say unsuccessful attempts  ;) ) and speSmurfpillst knowledge - as well as successes is a very rare and commendable characteristic.

And of course seeing things evolve makes them that much more special for us the observers, or even co-conspirators  ;)  - as you put it  :)  ........ And also helps us learn stuff too - if we ever get into any of these activities.

The other thing that I love is the constant changes of direction and new creations - Not much over a year ago all we were just looking at in this thread were various scissor and layer additions to a 93mm alox knife -  Now look where we are !     -   :o  wooo hooo  8)

Thanks Syph - We are so priviliged to have you in our forum !!  :tu:  :salute:
And thanks for sharing!!
Couldn't agree more  :tu:  :cheers:  :salute:

+1 I love to see things as they progress :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 16, 2016, 08:29:45 PM
Thanks all!

Ya its funny I was excited to modify aluminum SAKs in the beginning and now I pretty much only do Ti... which is way more durable.  :D

Here is today's work.  Compact deluxe tinker.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom575/IMG_6928.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom575/IMG_6945.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom575/IMG_6949.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom575/IMG_6984.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom575/IMG_6989.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom575/IMG_6972.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on August 16, 2016, 09:22:00 PM
The finish on those scales is amazing, particularly with the inlaid copper cross.  Lovely!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on August 16, 2016, 09:37:32 PM
I could look at pics all day like that :dd:

Very nice :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 16, 2016, 11:34:34 PM
The finish on those scales is amazing, particularly with the inlaid copper cross.  Lovely!

Its funny but when I was originally asking around for quotes on having scales machined like this I got comments like wow that texture will eat up 9 minutes of machine time for each part.... it will be pricey.

Now that I have a CNC machine Im like... its ONLY 9 minutes per side! Nice! :D
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Post by: captain spaulding on August 17, 2016, 12:55:52 AM
The finish on those scales is amazing, particularly with the inlaid copper cross.  Lovely!

Its funny but when I was originally asking around for quotes on having scales machined like this I got comments like wow that texture will eat up 9 minutes of machine time for each part.... it will be pricey.

Now that I have a CNC machine Im like... its ONLY 9 minutes per side! Nice! :D

Haha. Sweet!  :tu:
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Post by: Glofindel on August 17, 2016, 02:11:48 PM
Absolutely gorgeous. Now I'm waiting for 84 mm Ti scale turn , patiently.

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Post by: Syph007 on August 19, 2016, 01:30:34 AM
This week seems to be compact deluxe tinker week.  Here's another but smooth scale this time.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/IMG_7017.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/IMG_7021.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/IMG_7029.jpg)
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Post by: JP on August 19, 2016, 01:32:08 AM
Sweet

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Post by: Monrogue on August 19, 2016, 02:47:16 AM
Lots of good work here Syph :tu:
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Post by: BADSAK on August 31, 2016, 12:18:55 AM
This is one of my favorite threads. I hate to see it drop off the first page.
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Post by: s1xty7 on August 31, 2016, 01:58:31 AM
I need to get off my duff and finish switching scales to my new Syph ones (think blue OC).  I switched one side but need to get a little creative to change the other (the screws on one side keep wanting to unscrew the opposite side; I have a plan).  It is indeed fine Syph work and it is a beautiful set!
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Post by: Poncho65 on August 31, 2016, 03:28:20 AM
That looks awesome Syph :cheers: :cheers: I really :like: the look that SAK has as well :dd: :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on August 31, 2016, 07:55:36 PM
Took most of last week off and finally back to business today.  Some interesting ones are coming up now... one with a Pi symbol engraved as a pattern, a new set of dual tone finish 93mm scales (edges and border tumble finished, interior anodized and textured) and the camper scales with ferro rod insert that I finally have all the parts to make work.  :D
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Post by: SteveC on August 31, 2016, 08:36:43 PM
 :popcorn:
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Post by: Fast Bill on August 31, 2016, 10:01:26 PM
:popcorn:

 :popcorn:
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Post by: Syph007 on September 01, 2016, 01:47:09 AM
And what is this mysterious order of the Pi symbol...  :think: 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/PiScales.jpg)
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Post by: Monrogue on September 01, 2016, 02:49:31 AM
And what is this mysterious order of the Pi symbol...  :think: 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/PiScales.jpg)
That's pretty cool :tu;

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Post by: Poncho65 on September 01, 2016, 05:08:01 AM
And what is this mysterious order of the Pi symbol...  :think: 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/PiScales.jpg)
That's pretty cool :tu:

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I agree that is very cool Syph 8)

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Post by: firiki on September 01, 2016, 11:32:29 AM
Reminds me of an old, pretty insulting phrase made up of 50 something words all starting with Π... Pas pais Patrinos (every guy from Patras...)   :D
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Post by: captain spaulding on September 01, 2016, 07:39:51 PM
Awesome Syph.


I really need some San Jose Sharks/Oakland Raiders scales.  :ahhh
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Post by: Fast Bill on September 01, 2016, 10:10:42 PM
And what is this mysterious order of the Pi symbol...  :think: 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/PiScales.jpg)
That's pretty cool :tu:

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I agree that is very cool Syph 8)

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I'm guessing it's some Seekrit Society of Pie Appreciation in honour of Mrs Miggins from Blackadder  :hatsoff:
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Post by: Poncho65 on September 01, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
And what is this mysterious order of the Pi symbol...  :think: 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/PiScales.jpg)
That's pretty cool :tu:

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I agree that is very cool Syph 8)

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I'm guessing it's some Seekrit Society of Pie Appreciation in honour of Mrs Miggins from Blackadder  :hatsoff:

Somebody say pie :drool: I like pie :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :gimme:

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Post by: Fast Bill on September 02, 2016, 08:25:44 AM
And what is this mysterious order of the Pi symbol...  :think: 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/PiScales.jpg)
That's pretty cool :tu:

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I agree that is very cool Syph 8)

 :like:

I'm guessing it's some Seekrit Society of Pie Appreciation in honour of Mrs Miggins from Blackadder  :hatsoff:

Somebody say pie :drool: I like pie :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :gimme:

 :like:

Here's a cunning plan - perhaps Mrs Miggins should make Syph a commemorative pie, in the shape of an enormous SAK, sorry pie .... ? :rofl:
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 02, 2016, 06:59:54 PM
And what is this mysterious order of the Pi symbol...  :think: 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/PiScales.jpg)
That's pretty cool :tu:

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I agree that is very cool Syph 8)

 :like:

I'm guessing it's some Seekrit Society of Pie Appreciation in honour of Mrs Miggins from Blackadder  :hatsoff:

Somebody say pie :drool: I like pie :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :gimme:

 :like:

Pie pie pie pie and Pi ;)
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Post by: WWW on September 04, 2016, 04:53:41 AM
And what is this mysterious order of the Pi symbol...  :think: 


It's witchcraft, that's what it is! We all know tau is far superior!
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on September 04, 2016, 05:31:23 PM
And what is this mysterious order of the Pi symbol...  :think: 


It's witchcraft, that's what it is! We all know tau is far superior!

If it was witchcraft then things would be very different :)
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Post by: Syph007 on September 05, 2016, 08:20:49 PM
I finished up the secret order of Pi, yeoman.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom577/IMG_7160.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom577/IMG_7168.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom577/IMG_7108.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom577/IMG_7140.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom577/IMG_7154.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom577/IMG_7125.jpg)
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Post by: jaya_man on September 05, 2016, 08:27:51 PM
I finished up the secret order of Pi, yeoman.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom577/IMG_7160.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom577/IMG_7168.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom577/IMG_7108.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom577/IMG_7140.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom577/IMG_7154.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom577/IMG_7125.jpg)
Oh my word... That Yeoman truly is a beut


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Post by: FInixNOver on September 05, 2016, 08:44:31 PM
Looks absolutely πtastic!  :drool:
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Post by: Lardlad on September 05, 2016, 09:52:56 PM
Beautiful scales, no doubt whomever ends up with that knife will love it.  The brass liners always look great with Ti, and the new magnifying glass design is brilliant.  Great work.
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Post by: Poncho65 on September 05, 2016, 11:52:38 PM
Great looking Syph :like: :like: :like:
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Post by: Monrogue on September 06, 2016, 04:06:56 AM
Man that's cool....makes me want to think up possible options for a TiRogueneer revision :ahhh

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Post by: PTRSAK on September 06, 2016, 04:40:11 AM
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcShNp7_QNsTZX_6wk3eznhNvTmCuNgcTrSdsDvkEATJSotIVmNfPTLEivcLPQ)
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Post by: Poncho65 on September 06, 2016, 04:46:09 AM
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcShNp7_QNsTZX_6wk3eznhNvTmCuNgcTrSdsDvkEATJSotIVmNfPTLEivcLPQ)

 :like: :like: :like:
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Post by: magentus on September 06, 2016, 10:56:49 AM
Man that's cool....makes me want to think up possible options for a TiRogueneer revision :ahhh

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Steve that piSAK is so good it's making Mo have unpure thoughts!
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Post by: Monrogue on September 06, 2016, 03:42:36 PM
Man that's cool....makes me want to think up possible options for a TiRogueneer revision :ahhh

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Steve that piSAK is so good it's making Mo have unpure thoughts!
I know....I still doubt I could neglect my MechaRogue though ;)

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Post by: Poncho65 on September 06, 2016, 04:20:52 PM
Man that's cool....makes me want to think up possible options for a TiRogueneer revision :ahhh

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Steve that piSAK is so good it's making Mo have unpure thoughts!
I know....I still doubt I could neglect my MechaRogue though ;)

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Oh but think how nice the TiRogueneer could be :pok: :whistle: :D

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Post by: magentus on September 06, 2016, 04:28:41 PM
Man that's cool....makes me want to think up possible options for a TiRogueneer revision :ahhh

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Steve that piSAK is so good it's making Mo have unpure thoughts!
I know....I still doubt I could neglect my MechaRogue though ;)

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Oh but think how nice the TiRogueneer could be :pok: :whistle: :D

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NAUGHTY STEP PONCHO!
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Post by: Poncho65 on September 06, 2016, 06:19:12 PM
Man that's cool....makes me want to think up possible options for a TiRogueneer revision :ahhh

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Steve that piSAK is so good it's making Mo have unpure thoughts!
I know....I still doubt I could neglect my MechaRogue though ;)

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Oh but think how nice the TiRogueneer could be :pok: :whistle: :D

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NAUGHTY STEP PONCHO!

Already there :salute: I do :like: what you have done with the place :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Who brought the pillows and refreshments :think:

 :D
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Post by: Monrogue on September 06, 2016, 08:21:58 PM
Man that's cool....makes me want to think up possible options for a TiRogueneer revision :ahhh

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Steve that piSAK is so good it's making Mo have unpure thoughts!
I know....I still doubt I could neglect my MechaRogue though ;)

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Oh but think how nice the TiRogueneer could be :pok: :whistle: :D

 :like:
NAUGHTY STEP PONCHO!
:rofl:

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Post by: Monrogue on September 06, 2016, 08:23:05 PM
Man that's cool....makes me want to think up possible options for a TiRogueneer revision :ahhh

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Steve that piSAK is so good it's making Mo have unpure thoughts!
I know....I still doubt I could neglect my MechaRogue though ;)

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Oh but think how nice the TiRogueneer could be :pok: :whistle: :D

 :like:
True, but thankfully (:think:) my wallet won't allow for it at this point....

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Post by: s1xty7 on September 06, 2016, 08:57:43 PM
Here is my Syph custom "Inventor" (large blade, awl, flat head, 3D phillips, metal saw/file in 93mm titanium scales) with new scales affixed.  The scales already had some pocket time when these were taken so a few little scratches.  Also, I lost one of the screws in the workshop while changing scales so there is one I had as a replacement.  I'll have to talk to Bob about getting some spares so it looks right.

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/Inventor_Reinvented_Lake_1_med_20160903.jpg)

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/Inventor_Reinvented_Lake_2_med_20160903.jpg)

The backs of the scales are pocketed.  They are the same ones pictured earlier in the thread.  I managed to persuade Bob to let them come to the west coast.  I'll take some better pictures on one of my next outings.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on September 06, 2016, 09:09:16 PM
Here is my Syph custom "Inventor" (large blade, awl, flat head, 3D phillips, metal saw/file in 93mm titanium scales) with new scales affixed.  The scales already had some pocket time when these were taken so a few little scratches.  Also, I lost one of the screws in the workshop while changing scales so there is one I had as a replacement.  I'll have to talk to Bob about getting some spares so it looks right.

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/Inventor_Reinvented_Lake_1_med_20160903.jpg)

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/Inventor_Reinvented_Lake_2_med_20160903.jpg)

The backs of the scales are pocketed.  They are the same ones pictured earlier in the thread.  I managed to persuade Bob to let them come to the west coast.  I'll take some better pictures on one of my next outings.

Very nice looking :dd:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: FInixNOver on September 06, 2016, 10:45:38 PM
Here is my Syph custom "Inventor" (large blade, awl, flat head, 3D phillips, metal saw/file in 93mm titanium scales) with new scales affixed.  The scales already had some pocket time when these were taken so a few little scratches.  Also, I lost one of the screws in the workshop while changing scales so there is one I had as a replacement.  I'll have to talk to Bob about getting some spares so it looks right.

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/Inventor_Reinvented_Lake_1_med_20160903.jpg)

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/Inventor_Reinvented_Lake_2_med_20160903.jpg)

The backs of the scales are pocketed.  They are the same ones pictured earlier in the thread.  I managed to persuade Bob to let them come to the west coast.  I'll take some better pictures on one of my next outings.

Awesome!  :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 15, 2016, 12:25:19 AM
No cross diamond texture on this bad boy.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom578/IMG_7208.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom578/IMG_7225.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom578/IMG_7178.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom578/IMG_7185.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom578/IMG_7194.jpg)
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on September 15, 2016, 12:33:42 AM
Nice :tu:
JR
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Post by: Monrogue on September 15, 2016, 02:12:27 PM
Nice :tu:
JR
Ditto :tu:

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Post by: jaya_man on September 15, 2016, 02:23:28 PM
Nice :tu:
JR
Ditto :tu:

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Post by: Poncho65 on September 15, 2016, 10:29:01 PM
Nice :tu:
JR
Ditto :tu:

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+3 :dd: Love the scales Syph :cheers:
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Post by: Ike582 on September 16, 2016, 07:46:44 AM
That is absolutely gorgeous, great work.

No cross diamond texture on this bad boy.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom578/IMG_7208.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom578/IMG_7225.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom578/IMG_7178.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom578/IMG_7185.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom578/IMG_7194.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 18, 2016, 07:34:43 PM
Blue Tiox super tinker.... :D 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BlueTioxSuperTinker/IMG_7458.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BlueTioxSuperTinker/IMG_7424.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BlueTioxSuperTinker/IMG_7450.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BlueTioxSuperTinker/IMG_7507.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BlueTioxSuperTinker/IMG_7518.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on September 18, 2016, 07:36:05 PM
Oh NICE!
JR
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Post by: s1xty7 on September 18, 2016, 07:42:12 PM
Wow, that's a beauty!  These are functional art.  Think where this knife, and others, will be in 50 years.  Or the stories they will have in a 100 years. Great work and quite a mark you are making.
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Post by: m47mu74nt on September 18, 2016, 08:25:44 PM
OMG
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Post by: Psych on September 19, 2016, 12:41:54 AM
Blue Tiox super tinker.... :D 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BlueTioxSuperTinker/IMG_7458.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BlueTioxSuperTinker/IMG_7424.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BlueTioxSuperTinker/IMG_7450.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BlueTioxSuperTinker/IMG_7507.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BlueTioxSuperTinker/IMG_7518.jpg)

Amazing work! I must have one of these in my life.


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Post by: Poncho65 on September 19, 2016, 04:49:25 AM
Another beauty Syph :dd: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

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The color is my favorite so far I think :think: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on September 19, 2016, 06:44:32 PM
I tried to capture the color better, but I just can't do it justice.  Anyway, here are a few shots from Saturday.

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/SAKs_On_The_Rocks_1_20160917.jpg)

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/SAKs_On_The_Rocks_2_20160917.jpg)

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/SAKs_On_The_Rocks_3_20160917.jpg)

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/A-Frame_1_20160917.jpg)

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/Pumpkin_1_20160917.jpg)
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Post by: SteveC on September 19, 2016, 06:47:42 PM
Nice pics   :cheers:
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Post by: mrynnr on September 19, 2016, 08:32:42 PM
Duuuuude!


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Post by: jaya_man on September 20, 2016, 03:02:22 AM
Nice pics   :cheers:
+1 :like: :cheers:


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Post by: Poncho65 on September 20, 2016, 04:59:51 AM
Duuuuude!


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That things is sweet :D

I really love the color and the config on it as well :tu:
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Post by: s1xty7 on September 20, 2016, 08:06:03 PM
Thanks for the kind words.  I'm really liking it!  This is the config I've had for a while now and it has been great for all of my needs.  I've only used the awl once, but it looks so useful.  :D  The rest have seen a fair amount of action with the phillips, cap lifter, and knife being the most used.  I call it the Inventor.  The new scales are holding up remarkably well to pocket wear.  I still haven't seen any areas where the anodizing has worn away, despite constant pocket carry since I put them on.  It's like Ferris Bueller said: "If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up".
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 21, 2016, 02:27:11 PM
Glad they are working out well for you!  Like colored alox the color should stay I  the grooves for a lot time and Ti being tough should take a long time to wear down.  I'm going to start pocket carrying a super Tinker version to see how it holds up. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 21, 2016, 04:03:04 PM
I don't do too much 93mm work any longer for cost reasons mostly.  To build a 93mm custom always takes more than 1 donor sak for springs tools etc... 91mm I can just convert as is.

Interestingly on this one the customer was willing to pay extra for a normal nick pair of scissors even though I used a pioneer x for the donor.  I also have to weaken the springs that come with those to use in modded knives as they are ridiculously strong when the pin through them is rigid and not bent like a stock x.  I really wish they had done a better job on the x model.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom579/IMG_7566.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom579/IMG_7570.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom579/IMG_7564.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom579/IMG_7551.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom579/IMG_7556.jpg)
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Post by: Syph007 on September 21, 2016, 04:13:52 PM
And here is a smooth Ti scaled 91mm compact tinker with matching tumbled Ti liner.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom580/IMG_7584.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom580/IMG_7590.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom580/IMG_7594.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom580/IMG_7612.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom580/IMG_7613.jpg)
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on September 21, 2016, 04:38:06 PM
NICE! :tu:
JR
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Post by: s1xty7 on September 21, 2016, 05:11:11 PM
Those are both great looking knives there!  The tumbled liner is an interesting addition.

Despite the general lack of phillips on stock models, do most of your custom requests ask for a phillips?  I've always though it should be included on more factory models.
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Post by: Syph007 on September 21, 2016, 05:16:57 PM
Those are both great looking knives there!  The tumbled liner is an interesting addition.

Despite the general lack of phillips on stock models, do most of your custom requests ask for a phillips?  I've always though it should be included on more factory models.

Super tinkers are requested at about a 9:1 ratio to climbers.  I have approx 500 brand new corkscrews here... I can't think of what to do with them other than make a large tribal necklace to show the number of SAKs slain in battle.  :D
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Post by: windson on September 21, 2016, 06:07:38 PM
Love the tumbled liners matching the scales!
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Post by: s1xty7 on September 21, 2016, 07:55:42 PM
Super tinkers are requested at about a 9:1 ratio to climbers.  I have approx 500 brand new corkscrews here... I can't think of what to do with them other than make a large tribal necklace to show the number of SAKs slain in battle.  :D

That is quite the ratio!!  I wonder if you could sell them back to Victorinox in bulk.  "Hey, I'll trade you 500 corkscrews for 50 Super Tinkers" or some such thing.  Short of that, you could start making tires with corkscrews for studs.  Hah!  Or maybe pair the corkscrew with the fish scaler for a custom "Fish and Wine" compact tool.
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Post by: Poncho65 on September 21, 2016, 10:59:58 PM
Wow Syph :o I am always blown away by your work buddy :dd: Every one I see is another one that I want :like: I have a list of wants on a knife that I will have you someday make but I am still getting ideas and want it to be as close to perfect for me as possible  :D
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Post by: Sakpan74Gr on September 22, 2016, 08:44:52 AM
Hey Syph, any elegant solution on the eyeglass screwdriver?
Can you add tweezers on the original  alox scales of the Pioneer?
I am dreaming of a Pioneer with scissors, pliers and tweezers, or an upgraded deluxe tinker with the eyeglass screwdriver and fully serrated main blade from the serrated Spartan ( weekender)
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Post by: Syph007 on October 04, 2016, 08:54:59 PM
I havent been doing too many new models, just producing mostly standard stuff so I havent bothered to post it all.

The blue tiox super tinkers are very popular.  Here is one that went together this morning.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom583/IMG_7714.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom583/IMG_7676.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom583/IMG_7684.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom583/IMG_7695.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom583/IMG_7700.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom583/IMG_7702.jpg)
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Post by: Syph007 on October 04, 2016, 08:56:07 PM
And as well a diamond textured explorer... no plastic like its should be.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom584/IMG_7743.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom584/IMG_7757.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom584/IMG_7762.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom584/IMG_7763.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom584/IMG_7771.jpg)
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 04, 2016, 09:20:01 PM
Slick :think:
I know they make them small enough but I wonder if they make a compass thin enough to fit in rather the a mag glass?
JR
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Post by: Syph007 on October 04, 2016, 09:22:49 PM
Slick :think:
I know they make them small enough but I wonder if they make a compass thin enough to fit in rather the a mag glass?
JR

Ive searched for one thin enough to fit in a scale and so far no luck.
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 04, 2016, 11:15:27 PM
Slick :think:
I know they make them small enough but I wonder if they make a compass thin enough to fit in rather the a mag glass?
JR

Ive searched for one thin enough to fit in a scale and so far no luck.
Bummer, I think that would be cool to have a compass in the magnifying glass..
JR
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Post by: s1xty7 on October 05, 2016, 09:19:22 AM
Beautiful as always!  Really digging the influx of blue tiox!  :tu:
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Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 05, 2016, 09:21:57 AM
And as well a diamond textured explorer... no plastic like its should be.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom584/IMG_7743.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom584/IMG_7757.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom584/IMG_7762.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom584/IMG_7763.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom584/IMG_7771.jpg)


Gorgeous! I do love your Explorer and Yeoman models...
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Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 07, 2016, 01:28:02 AM
Syph, have you considered doing the corkscrew eyeglass screwdriver handle milled from a nice wood, but same design as the Vic one? Would seem like a simple and quite elegant solution, or is there a flaw in this idea (other than it would only work for SAKs with the corkscrew)?


Would look a damn site better than the Vic grey plastic one on your beautiful designs.


Or natural black rubber, maybe.




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Post by: shibafu on October 07, 2016, 12:45:06 PM
Syph, have you considered doing the corkscrew eyeglass screwdriver handle milled from a nice wood, but same design as the Vic one? Would seem like a simple and quite elegant solution, or is there a flaw in this idea (other than it would only work for SAKs with the corkscrew)?


Would look a damn site better than the Vic grey plastic one on your beautiful designs.


Or natural black rubber, maybe.

The difficulty with wood is that somewhere you are going to have a very narrow section with the grain running across it, which will likely be too weak.  Possible with lignum vitae or jarrah perhaps.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 07, 2016, 03:10:23 PM
Syph, have you considered doing the corkscrew eyeglass screwdriver handle milled from a nice wood, but same design as the Vic one? Would seem like a simple and quite elegant solution, or is there a flaw in this idea (other than it would only work for SAKs with the corkscrew)?


Would look a damn site better than the Vic grey plastic one on your beautiful designs.


Or natural black rubber, maybe.

The difficulty with wood is that somewhere you are going to have a very narrow section with the grain running across it, which will likely be too weak.  Possible with lignum vitae or jarrah perhaps.

OKay... What other non-plastic materials would work well and be in-keeping with Syph's creations? I like the idea of retaining the corkscrew driver, but with a nicer material than grey plastic
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Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 07, 2016, 09:11:15 PM
BTW what size Torx screws does Syph use on his customs?
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Post by: Monrogue on October 08, 2016, 03:24:43 AM
BTW what size Torx screws does Syph use on his customs?
Possibly T6?  I asked recently.  I can check my messages to see.

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Post by: Monrogue on October 08, 2016, 03:25:32 AM
Yup, T6.

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Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 08, 2016, 03:39:10 PM
Yup, T6.



Thanks, useful to know for future reference. In fact just received a T6/T8 4mm bit for my Cybertool, along with some tiny hex ones (neither of which seem to fit my small Chris Reeve Sebenza 21, unfortunately).
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Post by: Fortytwo on October 08, 2016, 04:40:52 PM
Syph, have you considered doing the corkscrew eyeglass screwdriver handle milled from a nice wood, but same design as the Vic one? Would seem like a simple and quite elegant solution, or is there a flaw in this idea (other than it would only work for SAKs with the corkscrew)?


Would look a damn site better than the Vic grey plastic one on your beautiful designs.


Or natural black rubber, maybe.

The difficulty with wood is that somewhere you are going to have a very narrow section with the grain running across it, which will likely be too weak.  Possible with lignum vitae or jarrah perhaps.

How about stabilized wood? Woulnd't that help a whole deal?
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Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 08, 2016, 06:58:33 PM
Syph, have you considered doing the corkscrew eyeglass screwdriver handle milled from a nice wood, but same design as the Vic one? Would seem like a simple and quite elegant solution, or is there a flaw in this idea (other than it would only work for SAKs with the corkscrew)?


Would look a damn site better than the Vic grey plastic one on your beautiful designs.


Or natural black rubber, maybe.

The difficulty with wood is that somewhere you are going to have a very narrow section with the grain running across it, which will likely be too weak.  Possible with lignum vitae or jarrah perhaps.

How about stabilized wood? Woulnd't that help a whole deal?


This stuff?: http://burlsource.us/stabilized-wood-info/


Sounds good! Wood corkscrew screwdrivers would be classy! :-)
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Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 08, 2016, 07:13:56 PM
Syph, have you considered doing the corkscrew eyeglass screwdriver handle milled from a nice wood, but same design as the Vic one? Would seem like a simple and quite elegant solution, or is there a flaw in this idea (other than it would only work for SAKs with the corkscrew)?


Would look a damn site better than the Vic grey plastic one on your beautiful designs.


Or natural black rubber, maybe.

The difficulty with wood is that somewhere you are going to have a very narrow section with the grain running across it, which will likely be too weak.  Possible with lignum vitae or jarrah perhaps.

How about stabilized wood? Woulnd't that help a whole deal?


This stuff?: http://burlsource.us/stabilized-wood-info/


Sounds good! Wood corkscrew screwdrivers would be classy! :-)


Something like this perhaps (BTW it's on sale at the moment...): http://burlsource.us/p105-figured-hawaiian-koa-stabilized-pen-turning-blocks-3-pieces/


(http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-zouob6/products/5818/images/26167/p105a__36404.1474847651.1000.500.jpg?c=2)


or this: http://burlsource.us/p101-monkey-pod-hawaiian-koa-stabilized-pen-turning-blocks-3-pieces/


(http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-zouob6/products/5814/images/26159/p101a__31470.1474843651.1000.500.jpg?c=2)


This one isn't on sale, but is lovely:


http://burlsource.us/2801-redwood-burl-stabilized-wood-block-4-1-8-long-x-1-7-8-wide-x-1-7-8-thick/


(http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-zouob6/products/5884/images/26425/2801a__66616.1475449146.1000.500.jpg?c=2)


Think it's usually used for knife handles...
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Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 11, 2016, 02:21:50 PM
I was just wondering, for Syph's tumbled titanium scales that have the copper cross, does the latter go green with verdigris after some time or does the tumbling somehow slow done that process?
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Post by: Lardlad on October 11, 2016, 05:29:10 PM
I doubt the tumbling process would affect oxidation - you are still going to get that verdigris.  I've been carrying one of Bob's works of art with tumbled scales and copper cross for almost a year now with no sign of oxidation on the copper.  I use it every day though - it might be different if the knife were sitting in a drawer.
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Post by: Syph007 on October 11, 2016, 06:40:00 PM
The copper sheet I cut it from has Been in my shop for 4 years and looks dull but not green.  Doesn't it have to be wet to turn green?
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on October 11, 2016, 07:08:01 PM
The copper sheet I cut it from has Been in my shop for 4 years and looks dull but not green.  Doesn't it have to be wet to turn green?

Wet or in a brine solution. I did some copper with a patina on it and it turned blue/green. I'll try to dig up a photo and message you on how I did it if you like.


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Post by: Syph007 on October 14, 2016, 12:29:48 AM
Its not too many times I get to show a new configuration... but here it one.  First time ever, have I done this one.  Both phillips and corkscrew on the back of a SAK with only one scale cutout. ( I did this once ages ago with 2 scale cutouts).

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom587/IMG_7834.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom587/IMG_7837.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom587/IMG_7851.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom587/IMG_7855.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom587/IMG_7859.jpg)

As you can see there was just barely enough space and the phillips needed to take the space under the saw layer too, so I had to put a little stub piece in there to tension the saw spring.

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Post by: Poncho65 on October 14, 2016, 12:49:58 AM
Wow that is awesome :drool:

:dd:

 :like:
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Post by: oldriver on October 14, 2016, 02:11:27 AM
wow wow wow that really is the perfect three layer SAK.  :tu: :tu:
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Post by: oldriver on October 14, 2016, 02:15:18 AM
did I give this a thumbs up?  :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:  now when do the 154 CM blades come into play?   :like:
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Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 14, 2016, 02:18:00 AM
Very deftly done! Not quite my cup of tea TBH, but that's certainly one way to get both CS and Phillips!
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Post by: Monrogue on October 14, 2016, 04:41:34 AM
Very cool Syph :tu:

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Post by: SteveC on October 14, 2016, 05:50:50 AM
 :tu: :tu: :tu:
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Post by: jaya_man on October 14, 2016, 07:22:48 AM
Excellent setup Syph


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Post by: Mechanickal on October 14, 2016, 10:17:11 AM
Excellent setup Syph


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Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 14, 2016, 11:00:21 AM
wow wow wow that really is the perfect three layer SAK.  :tu: :tu:


But it has no hook!  :facepalm:
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Post by: Dustin King on October 14, 2016, 12:23:34 PM
I have spent hours drooling  over these creations.  These are amazing. 
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Post by: Lardlad on October 14, 2016, 05:27:32 PM
Nice hack on the Phillips/corkscrew!  Beautiful work as always.
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Post by: tattoosteve99 on October 15, 2016, 03:27:47 PM
Now that one I like! Good options. Any chance you've looked into DLC or cerakote as another option. I've heard cerakote holds up great on Ti


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Post by: Syph007 on October 18, 2016, 04:47:07 PM
Forgot to post this before but I am back to working on it again today.

Shield shaped inlays.  Im going to tumbled them then engrave a cross.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/shield.jpg)
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 18, 2016, 05:38:42 PM
Nice work!
JR
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Post by: m47mu74nt on October 18, 2016, 05:59:45 PM
This WILL look awesome !!!
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Post by: SteveC on October 18, 2016, 06:32:14 PM
Cool !   :popcorn:
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Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 18, 2016, 06:37:01 PM
Forgot to post this before but I am back to working on it again today.

Shield shaped inlays.  Im going to tumbled them then engrave a cross.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/shield.jpg)

Time to make some Ti Voyageurs? :-)
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Post by: shibafu on October 18, 2016, 06:40:55 PM
Forgot to post this before but I am back to working on it again today.

Shield shaped inlays.  Im going to tumbled them then engrave a cross.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/shield.jpg)

Nice... what's the grain/texture on the shield nearest to camera?
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Post by: Syph007 on October 18, 2016, 06:52:37 PM
Forgot to post this before but I am back to working on it again today.

Shield shaped inlays.  Im going to tumbled them then engrave a cross.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/shield.jpg)

Nice... what's the grain/texture on the shield nearest to camera?

That's copper / nickel silver mokume.
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Post by: shibafu on October 18, 2016, 07:27:11 PM
That's copper / nickel silver mokume.

Very special!  :drool:
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Post by: Syph007 on October 18, 2016, 10:53:41 PM
In the mean time here is todays build.  Compact deluxe tinker with saw.  Im running out of ideas for names when they arent simple models.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom590/IMG_7912.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom590/IMG_7918.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom590/IMG_7900.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom590/IMG_7905.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom590/IMG_7911.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom590/IMG_7923.jpg)
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Post by: Poncho65 on October 18, 2016, 11:14:16 PM
Wow :dd: :like: :like: :like:
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Post by: Monrogue on October 19, 2016, 02:10:20 AM
Great stuff Syph :tu:

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Post by: Syph007 on October 22, 2016, 10:47:08 PM
Ive wanted to try this for awhile.  Right now I make the liner and liner spacer under the blade tip separate and rivet them together so they stay lined up.  This is time consuming, and Ive wanted to try machining them as one piece and finally gave it a go.

I will do the same with the keyring part and leave it double thickness for strength.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/UniLiner/IMG_8016.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/UniLiner/IMG_8025.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/UniLiner/IMG_8027.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/UniLiner/IMG_8028.jpg)

Lovin my Tormach... :D
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Post by: SteveC on October 22, 2016, 10:56:19 PM
 :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on October 22, 2016, 11:00:52 PM
And I had to try a set of brass 91mm scales...

With the pocketing not as crazy heavy as I thought.  A Ti scale of mine is 15 grams and one of these brass ones is 23.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/BrassScales/IMG_8035.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/BrassScales/IMG_8001.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/BrassScales/IMG_8014.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/BrassScales/IMG_8049.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/BrassScales/IMG_8038.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/BrassScales/IMG_8047.jpg)
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Post by: s1xty7 on October 23, 2016, 06:46:10 AM
Ohhhhh!  Shiny!!!   :tu:
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Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 23, 2016, 12:59:19 PM
Ive wanted to try this for awhile.  Right now I make the liner and liner spacer under the blade tip separate and rivet them together so they stay lined up.  This is time consuming, and Ive wanted to try machining them as one piece and finally gave it a go.

I will do the same with the keyring part and leave it double thickness for strength.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/UniLiner/IMG_8016.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/UniLiner/IMG_8025.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/UniLiner/IMG_8027.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Msc/UniLiner/IMG_8028.jpg)

Lovin my Tormach... :D


 :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on October 24, 2016, 09:56:17 AM
Gorgeous stuff going on here!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on October 24, 2016, 07:50:15 PM
The brass scales look pretty sexy.  Nice work on machining the liner and the liner spacer as one piece...another cool hack.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on October 24, 2016, 10:01:31 PM
Wow :dd: That just about covers it :D :like: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 27, 2016, 08:46:28 PM
I did a pair of blue tiox 93s today.  :D

One pruner and one compact.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom593/IMG_8155.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom593/IMG_8167.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom593/IMG_8189.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom593/IMG_8204.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 27, 2016, 08:49:33 PM
And a Ti 91 compact tinker that has become a routine one, but one thing to note on this particular one is that I did a solid body liner with keyring spacer so that gives a thicker and strong keyring attachment point.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom592/IMG_8138.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom592/IMG_8129.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom592/IMG_8133.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom592/IMG_8127.jpg)

I started with 0.080" brass stock and machined it down to 0.072" at the double thickness part and 0.032" for the rest so it exactly matches the stock parts and my other brass liners.  So now I have a ring and ringless version of the liner... very happy with these!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on October 27, 2016, 09:45:07 PM
Very nice, I really like that compact Tinker   :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on October 28, 2016, 01:46:03 AM
Those sure are pretty.  I'm really partial to the 93mm blue TiOx!  Great work as always.  Makes me feel like I need another . . .

Come to think of it, are you still doing 58mm?  I could use a matching blue OC TiOx 58mm with tweezers, pen, phillips, flathead, and blade.   :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 28, 2016, 02:10:34 AM
Sweet Syph :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 28, 2016, 02:50:30 AM
Those sure are pretty.  I'm really partial to the 93mm blue TiOx!  Great work as always.  Makes me feel like I need another . . .

Come to think of it, are you still doing 58mm?  I could use a matching blue OC TiOx 58mm with tweezers, pen, phillips, flathead, and blade.   :D

I'm working on the code now for a 58mm version of the tiox.   I should have something to show ne,t week.  Getting the pen to fit is possible for sure.   
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on October 28, 2016, 09:28:07 AM
That's great news!  TiOx pen!  I'm sure it will look amazing too.  Time to start dropping hints about what I need for uh . . . Thanksgiving?  ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 30, 2016, 08:37:03 PM
I finally put the brass scales on a super tinker to try them out.  Heavy yes at 110 grams but it feels nice in the hand.  I bet I could get it under 100 for a super tinker if I tried though.  :D

I went with nickel silver on the tweezer instead of the usual brass for contast.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BrassSuperTinker/IMG_8276.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BrassSuperTinker/IMG_8306.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BrassSuperTinker/IMG_8329.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BrassSuperTinker/IMG_8336.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BrassSuperTinker/IMG_8346.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BrassSuperTinker/IMG_8378.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BrassSuperTinker/IMG_8371.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Demel on October 30, 2016, 08:41:54 PM
That's really cool Syph!!! Has Vic reached out to you yet for special runs? If not they should you do a great job :hatsoff:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 30, 2016, 08:45:41 PM
That's really cool Syph!!! Has Vic reached out to you yet for special runs? If not they should you do a great job :hatsoff:

I'll send them a sample sometime with a polite note about pros of working together.  Who knows! :D  Id LOVE to have access to parts instead of having to buy retail SAKs for parts.   Maybe after a decade of making my living by modifying their knives they will know Im serious.   :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Demel on October 30, 2016, 09:31:28 PM
That's really cool Syph!!! Has Vic reached out to you yet for special runs? If not they should you do a great job :hatsoff:

I'll send them a sample sometime with a polite note about pros of working together.  Who knows! :D  Id LOVE to have access to parts instead of having to buy retail SAKs for parts.   Maybe after a decade of making my living by modifying their knives they will know Im serious.   :D
Wouldn't hurt to try. You have a great track record. I'm still trying to find a configuration with ti scales :facepalm: one day :dd:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on October 30, 2016, 10:12:29 PM
Very cool and shiny :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 30, 2016, 11:02:50 PM
Very cool and shiny :tu:

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+1 shiny!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: shibafu on October 31, 2016, 12:02:57 AM
Love the polished brass  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on October 31, 2016, 06:42:55 AM
Brass is sexy, great work as always.   :like:   
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on November 01, 2016, 05:29:24 AM
Yes, those excavated brass scales are beautiful! And machining the keyhole into the liner is really nice, too.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Thunderpants on November 01, 2016, 12:51:46 PM
That Super-Tinker is stunning!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 01, 2016, 07:23:21 PM
I guess this would be a compact huntsman.  Im still digging the one piece keyring/liner combo.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom595/IMG_8397.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom595/IMG_8390.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom595/IMG_8408.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom595/IMG_8418.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on November 01, 2016, 08:54:36 PM
Another beauty!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Thunderpants on November 02, 2016, 11:41:44 AM
Awesome!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 03, 2016, 11:04:07 PM
Diamond textured compact deluxe tinker!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom596/IMG_8461.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom596/IMG_8465.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom596/IMG_8480.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom596/IMG_8488.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on November 04, 2016, 04:51:46 AM
Oh now that diamond texture is SWEET! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on November 05, 2016, 12:16:35 PM
Diamond textured compact deluxe tinker!

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom596/IMG_8461.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom596/IMG_8465.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom596/IMG_8480.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom596/IMG_8488.jpg)

Those scales look awesome, they really do, but have you considered aligning the diamond pattern the other way? I just think that it might look even better if the long side of the diamonds were aligned with the long side of the scale. Keep up the excellent work!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Oxford_Guy on November 05, 2016, 12:32:17 PM
Syph - on the scales which are tumbled, but which have a protuding cross, do you polish the cross after tumbling? I've also seen some of your work with a protuding cross in copper - how do you do that? I understand how it works with the inset ones, but not the other type.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: victor7000 on November 13, 2016, 03:06:50 PM
WOW!
I really like your CNC made scales. These look super professional made  :tu:  and are very beautiful!   :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 20, 2016, 09:49:50 PM
Here's something a bit different for me.  I did one with that light module and went through the process to make those goofy liners it needs from brass.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/20161118_141438.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8754.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8760.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8783.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8803.jpg)

I really like the copper cross on this combined with the diamond texture scales.  First time Ive done this as well.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on November 21, 2016, 02:04:21 AM
That is awesome looking Syph :drool: :like: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on November 21, 2016, 03:02:05 AM
Very cool.  I like the scales :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on November 21, 2016, 05:06:23 AM
Been a while since I've posted, but I've kept up with this thread. Wowzers!  :tu: Amazing stuff! I know nothing about metal work or mills, but would it make sense to start producing your own combo openers, inline philips, technicians drivers to replace the hook backtool, bottle openers that could fit opposite the small blade on a 91mm, etc....basically any tool that doesn't need sharpening and doesn't have moving parts? Seems way easier than what you did to make the scales and brass magnifying glass
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on November 21, 2016, 05:11:13 AM
...maybe engrave a dope Syph logo, or order number in to the openers?!?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 21, 2016, 02:30:22 PM
Here is my Syph custom "Inventor" (large blade, awl, flat head, 3D phillips, metal saw/file in 93mm titanium scales) with new scales affixed.  The scales already had some pocket time when these were taken so a few little scratches.  Also, I lost one of the screws in the workshop while changing scales so there is one I had as a replacement.  I'll have to talk to Bob about getting some spares so it looks right.

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/Inventor_Reinvented_Lake_1_med_20160903.jpg)

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/Inventor_Reinvented_Lake_2_med_20160903.jpg)

The backs of the scales are pocketed.  They are the same ones pictured earlier in the thread.  I managed to persuade Bob to let them come to the west coast.  I'll take some better pictures on one of my next outings.

Hey Robert.

You only have these scales in blue at the moment?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on November 21, 2016, 04:05:04 PM
Hey Robert.

You only have these scales in blue at the moment?

I'm not Robert, but I believe the light blue is the easiest color to anodize titanium consistently,  which is probably why it shows up more often.  It also happens to be the perfect color for me, which works out nicely.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 21, 2016, 05:36:14 PM
Hey Robert.

You only have these scales in blue at the moment?

I'm not Robert, but I believe the light blue is the easiest color to anodize titanium consistently,  which is probably why it shows up more often.  It also happens to be the perfect color for me, which works out nicely.

Blue and purple are the easiest.  The only other distinct colors are bronze and green.  I havent tried etching yet to get a good green.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 21, 2016, 05:37:23 PM
Been a while since I've posted, but I've kept up with this thread. Wowzers!  :tu: Amazing stuff! I know nothing about metal work or mills, but would it make sense to start producing your own combo openers, inline philips, technicians drivers to replace the hook backtool, bottle openers that could fit opposite the small blade on a 91mm, etc....basically any tool that doesn't need sharpening and doesn't have moving parts? Seems way easier than what you did to make the scales and brass magnifying glass

I am working on my own pocket knife / MT design based on feeback about what people want in a tool.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on November 21, 2016, 07:09:58 PM
Been a while since I've posted, but I've kept up with this thread. Wowzers!  :tu: Amazing stuff! I know nothing about metal work or mills, but would it make sense to start producing your own combo openers, inline philips, technicians drivers to replace the hook backtool, bottle openers that could fit opposite the small blade on a 91mm, etc....basically any tool that doesn't need sharpening and doesn't have moving parts? Seems way easier than what you did to make the scales and brass magnifying glass

I am working on my own pocket knife / MT design based on feeback about what people want in a tool.  :D

 :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on November 21, 2016, 07:16:02 PM
Been a while since I've posted, but I've kept up with this thread. Wowzers!  :tu: Amazing stuff! I know nothing about metal work or mills, but would it make sense to start producing your own combo openers, inline philips, technicians drivers to replace the hook backtool, bottle openers that could fit opposite the small blade on a 91mm, etc....basically any tool that doesn't need sharpening and doesn't have moving parts? Seems way easier than what you did to make the scales and brass magnifying glass

I am working on my own pocket knife / MT design based on feeback about what people want in a tool.  :D

Awesome :cheers: You already have a pretty good database of info like this I imagine as well :tu:  Can't wait to see what you come up with Syph :o :like: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on November 21, 2016, 07:52:17 PM
Been a while since I've posted, but I've kept up with this thread. Wowzers!  :tu: Amazing stuff! I know nothing about metal work or mills, but would it make sense to start producing your own combo openers, inline philips, technicians drivers to replace the hook backtool, bottle openers that could fit opposite the small blade on a 91mm, etc....basically any tool that doesn't need sharpening and doesn't have moving parts? Seems way easier than what you did to make the scales and brass magnifying glass

I am working on my own pocket knife / MT design based on feeback about what people want in a tool.  :D

Awesome :cheers: You already have a pretty good database of info like this I imagine as well :tu:  Can't wait to see what you come up with Syph :o :like: :like: :like:
Ditto :popcorn:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Oxford_Guy on November 21, 2016, 10:40:59 PM
Been a while since I've posted, but I've kept up with this thread. Wowzers!  :tu: Amazing stuff! I know nothing about metal work or mills, but would it make sense to start producing your own combo openers, inline philips, technicians drivers to replace the hook backtool, bottle openers that could fit opposite the small blade on a 91mm, etc....basically any tool that doesn't need sharpening and doesn't have moving parts? Seems way easier than what you did to make the scales and brass magnifying glass

I am working on my own pocket knife / MT design based on feeback about what people want in a tool.  :D


<Throws money at the screen>
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 22, 2016, 05:21:38 AM
Hey Robert.

You only have these scales in blue at the moment?

I'm not Robert, but I believe the light blue is the easiest color to anodize titanium consistently,  which is probably why it shows up more often.  It also happens to be the perfect color for me, which works out nicely.

Blue and purple are the easiest.  The only other distinct colors are bronze and green.  I havent tried etching yet to get a good green.

Runs off to searh old posts for a picture of a purple tilox.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: m47mu74nt on November 22, 2016, 06:26:20 AM
I had done a shaded bronze to light-blue pattern once to show what was easy to obtain without professional tools :
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj631/m47mu74nt/4774-01/v1ct021n0X/KEBOOP_zpsyayb88m5.jpg)
Green and pink need higher voltage and surface etching

And blue looks much better than bronze :
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CY3ypNCWsAEXqgV.jpg:large)
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=64155.0;attach=279893;image)

Many reasons to make blue anodized SAKs, right ?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 22, 2016, 04:31:26 PM
Hey Robert.

You only have these scales in blue at the moment?

I'm not Robert, but I believe the light blue is the easiest color to anodize titanium consistently,  which is probably why it shows up more often.  It also happens to be the perfect color for me, which works out nicely.

Blue and purple are the easiest.  The only other distinct colors are bronze and green.  I havent tried etching yet to get a good green.

Runs off to searh old posts for a picture of a purple tilox.

Noone has asked for purple yet so Ive only made blue.  I will do a purple set today for a comparison.  I need a pic of both blue and purple anyhow.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Oxford_Guy on November 22, 2016, 04:37:40 PM
Hey Robert.

You only have these scales in blue at the moment?

I'm not Robert, but I believe the light blue is the easiest color to anodize titanium consistently,  which is probably why it shows up more often.  It also happens to be the perfect color for me, which works out nicely.

Blue and purple are the easiest.  The only other distinct colors are bronze and green.  I havent tried etching yet to get a good green.

Runs off to searh old posts for a picture of a purple tilox.

Noone has asked for purple yet so Ive only made blue.  I will do a purple set today for a comparison.  I need a pic of both blue and purple anyhow.


 :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on November 22, 2016, 04:45:41 PM
Hey Robert.

You only have these scales in blue at the moment?

I'm not Robert, but I believe the light blue is the easiest color to anodize titanium consistently,  which is probably why it shows up more often.  It also happens to be the perfect color for me, which works out nicely.

Blue and purple are the easiest.  The only other distinct colors are bronze and green.  I havent tried etching yet to get a good green.

Runs off to searh old posts for a picture of a purple tilox.

Noone has asked for purple yet so Ive only made blue.  I will do a purple set today for a comparison.  I need a pic of both blue and purple anyhow.


 :like:

 :o +1  :like:

:popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on November 22, 2016, 10:01:34 PM
I am really enjoying the heavily tumbled TI with the copper cross.  A quick question or two - can you use the magnifying glass from a donor knife with the older type grey plastic and smaller 8x lenses or do you need the new, larger lense?  Also - can you mill the scale to accept the toothpick?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 22, 2016, 10:48:19 PM
I am really enjoying the heavily tumbled TI with the copper cross.  A quick question or two - can you use the magnifying glass from a donor knife with the older type grey plastic and smaller 8x lenses or do you need the new, larger lense?  Also - can you mill the scale to accept the toothpick?

For the Ti scales Im trying a new option for T&T.  If I fit the existing thick tools that the plastic scales use Id have to have much thicker Ti.  So.. I got to thinking.  Might as well just make Ti T&T and then have them attached inside the scales and fold out to use. 

The old mag glass, glass was much smaller than the modern one so the frame I made wouldnt fit.   I have wondering if there is a place to get different magnification lenses ordered a specific diameter though as an upgrade.   I would love one strong enough to start a fire.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on November 23, 2016, 12:30:11 AM
I am really enjoying the heavily tumbled TI with the copper cross.  A quick question or two - can you use the magnifying glass from a donor knife with the older type grey plastic and smaller 8x lenses or do you need the new, larger lense?  Also - can you mill the scale to accept the toothpick?

For the Ti scales Im trying a new option for T&T.  If I fit the existing thick tools that the plastic scales use Id have to have much thicker Ti.  So.. I got to thinking.  Might as well just make Ti T&T and then have them attached inside the scales and fold out to use. 

The old mag glass, glass was much smaller than the modern one so the frame I made wouldnt fit.   I have wondering if there is a place to get different magnification lenses ordered a specific diameter though as an upgrade.   I would love one strong enough to start a fire.
This all sounds most excellent Syph :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on November 23, 2016, 12:41:20 AM
I am really enjoying the heavily tumbled TI with the copper cross.  A quick question or two - can you use the magnifying glass from a donor knife with the older type grey plastic and smaller 8x lenses or do you need the new, larger lense?  Also - can you mill the scale to accept the toothpick?

For the Ti scales Im trying a new option for T&T.  If I fit the existing thick tools that the plastic scales use Id have to have much thicker Ti.  So.. I got to thinking.  Might as well just make Ti T&T and then have them attached inside the scales and fold out to use. 

The old mag glass, glass was much smaller than the modern one so the frame I made wouldnt fit.   I have wondering if there is a place to get different magnification lenses ordered a specific diameter though as an upgrade.   I would love one strong enough to start a fire.
This all sounds most excellent Syph :tu:

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Yes, yes it does :dd: :like: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Oxford_Guy on November 23, 2016, 09:41:39 AM
Here's something a bit different for me.  I did one with that light module and went through the process to make those goofy liners it needs from brass.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/20161118_141438.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8754.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8760.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8783.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8803.jpg)

I really like the copper cross on this combined with the diamond texture scales.  First time Ive done this as well.


How it the copper cross done, is it an inlay that is then polished after tumbling? I thought the 3D cross on those scales was part of the titanium scale itself, so not sure how the copper gets onto it?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 23, 2016, 12:45:25 PM
Here's something a bit different for me.  I did one with that light module and went through the process to make those goofy liners it needs from brass.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/20161118_141438.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8754.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8760.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8783.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8803.jpg)

I really like the copper cross on this combined with the diamond texture scales.  First time Ive done this as well.


How it the copper cross done, is it an inlay that is then polished after tumbling? I thought the 3D cross on those scales was part of the titanium scale itself, so not sure how the copper gets onto it?

It's a solid piece of copper that goes through the scale.  I do that before I ma check one the texture.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Oxford_Guy on November 23, 2016, 03:55:35 PM
Here's something a bit different for me.  I did one with that light module and went through the process to make those goofy liners it needs from brass.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/20161118_141438.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8754.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8760.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8783.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8803.jpg)

I really like the copper cross on this combined with the diamond texture scales.  First time Ive done this as well.


How it the copper cross done, is it an inlay that is then polished after tumbling? I thought the 3D cross on those scales was part of the titanium scale itself, so not sure how the copper gets onto it?

It's a solid piece of copper that goes through the scale.  I do that before I ma check one the texture.


I see, cool, so the copper doesn't get tumbled?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: shibafu on November 23, 2016, 05:33:42 PM
I have wondering if there is a place to get different magnification lenses ordered a specific diameter though as an upgrade.   I would love one strong enough to start a fire.

I don't think a stronger lens would help with that.  Ultimately they all focus sunlight to a point.  The problem is lack of area, it's not big enough to gather enough light.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on November 23, 2016, 08:20:18 PM
Here's something a bit different for me.  I did one with that light module and went through the process to make those goofy liners it needs from brass.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/20161118_141438.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8754.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8760.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8783.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8803.jpg)

I really like the copper cross on this combined with the diamond texture scales.  First time Ive done this as well.


How it the copper cross done, is it an inlay that is then polished after tumbling? I thought the 3D cross on those scales was part of the titanium scale itself, so not sure how the copper gets onto it?

It's a solid piece of copper that goes through the scale.  I do that before I ma check one the texture.


I see, cool, so the copper doesn't get tumbled?

I understand it as that it does. First he machines a slot for for the brass slot and inserts it. Next he machines the chequering and after that he tumbles it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 23, 2016, 08:31:12 PM
Here's something a bit different for me.  I did one with that light module and went through the process to make those goofy liners it needs from brass.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/20161118_141438.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8754.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8760.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8783.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8803.jpg)

I really like the copper cross on this combined with the diamond texture scales.  First time Ive done this as well.


How it the copper cross done, is it an inlay that is then polished after tumbling? I thought the 3D cross on those scales was part of the titanium scale itself, so not sure how the copper gets onto it?

It's a solid piece of copper that goes through the scale.  I do that before I ma check one the texture.


I see, cool, so the copper doesn't get tumbled?

I understand it as that it does. First he machines a slot for for the brass slot and inserts it. Next he machines the chequering and after that he tumbles it.

Correct.  I also have a polishing mask so I can polish the cross after tumble if needed.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Oxford_Guy on November 24, 2016, 12:51:26 AM
Here's something a bit different for me.  I did one with that light module and went through the process to make those goofy liners it needs from brass.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/20161118_141438.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8754.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8760.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8783.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom601/IMG_8803.jpg)

I really like the copper cross on this combined with the diamond texture scales.  First time Ive done this as well.


How it the copper cross done, is it an inlay that is then polished after tumbling? I thought the 3D cross on those scales was part of the titanium scale itself, so not sure how the copper gets onto it?

It's a solid piece of copper that goes through the scale.  I do that before I ma check one the texture.


I see, cool, so the copper doesn't get tumbled?

I understand it as that it does. First he machines a slot for for the brass slot and inserts it. Next he machines the chequering and after that he tumbles it.

Correct.  I also have a polishing mask so I can polish the cross after tumble if needed.


Thanks! Liking those scales alot!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 24, 2016, 05:38:19 AM
Hey Robert.

You only have these scales in blue at the moment?

I'm not Robert, but I believe the light blue is the easiest color to anodize titanium consistently,  which is probably why it shows up more often.  It also happens to be the perfect color for me, which works out nicely.

Blue and purple are the easiest.  The only other distinct colors are bronze and green.  I havent tried etching yet to get a good green.

Runs off to searh old posts for a picture of a purple tilox.

Noone has asked for purple yet so Ive only made blue.  I will do a purple set today for a comparison.  I need a pic of both blue and purple anyhow.

Purple?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 24, 2016, 08:32:01 PM
Brass today.... I LOVE brass. :D 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8846.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8847.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8854.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8858.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8871.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on November 25, 2016, 12:46:26 AM
Nice job :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on November 25, 2016, 01:40:03 AM
The brass looks amazing.  It would be interesting to see the patina that develops.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on November 25, 2016, 02:23:14 AM
Brass today.... I LOVE brass. :D 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8846.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8847.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8854.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8858.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8871.jpg)

When it looks like that I love brass as well :dd: :like: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on November 25, 2016, 03:25:26 AM
Yeah that brass is pretty sweet :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 25, 2016, 03:38:32 AM
The brass looks amazing.  It would be interesting to see the patina that develops.

Its cartridge brass... so I guess it would look like old ammo?  Haven't had a brass scaled mod long enough yet to see.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 25, 2016, 05:04:41 AM
The brass looks amazing.  It would be interesting to see the patina that develops.

Its cartridge brass... so I guess it would look like old ammo?  Haven't had a brass scaled mod long enough yet to see.

Old bullets devlop beautiful patina in my experience.

That brass would loom great with a brass mag glass.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Oxford_Guy on November 25, 2016, 10:36:17 PM
Brass today.... I LOVE brass. :D 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8846.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8847.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8854.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8858.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8871.jpg)


How does this compare weight-wise to one with your Ti scales?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 25, 2016, 11:23:09 PM
Brass today.... I LOVE brass. :D 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8846.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8847.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8854.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8858.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom602/IMG_8871.jpg)


How does this compare weight-wise to one with your Ti scales?

Shoot cant remeber now.  I think it was 7g more per scale.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 26, 2016, 04:28:33 PM
I started prototyping 91mm snap on Ti scales.  :D  So far I got the inner bushing holes machined and test fit them on some SAKs.  Perfect fit.  :D 

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on November 26, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
I started prototyping 91mm snap on Ti scales.  :D  So far I got the inner bushing holes machined and test fit them on some SAKs.  Perfect fit.  :D
:tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on November 28, 2016, 02:58:06 AM
I started prototyping 91mm snap on Ti scales.  :D  So far I got the inner bushing holes machined and test fit them on some SAKs.  Perfect fit.  :D

 :o :drool: :drool: :drool:

Very nice Syph :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on November 28, 2016, 03:02:19 AM
I started prototyping 91mm snap on Ti scales.  :D  So far I got the inner bushing holes machined and test fit them on some SAKs.  Perfect fit.  :D

Would it be possible to pocket a place out for toothpick and tweezers :think:  :D

Never mind you are just prototyping and seeing what all is possible right now I guess :whistle:

Great stuff so far buddy :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on November 28, 2016, 08:34:28 PM
I started prototyping 91mm snap on Ti scales.  :D  So far I got the inner bushing holes machined and test fit them on some SAKs.  Perfect fit.  :D

Would it be possible to pocket a place out for toothpick and tweezers :think:  :D

Never mind you are just prototyping and seeing what all is possible right now I guess :whistle:

Great stuff so far buddy :like:

Looks great! :tu:

If you can get the usual accessories in there (tweezers, toothpick, pin, pen) and do anodizing and milling (I'm thinking OC ti-lox like your customs), then I'd be all over a set or two.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 28, 2016, 11:12:01 PM
I started prototyping 91mm snap on Ti scales.  :D  So far I got the inner bushing holes machined and test fit them on some SAKs.  Perfect fit.  :D

Would it be possible to pocket a place out for toothpick and tweezers :think:  :D

Never mind you are just prototyping and seeing what all is possible right now I guess :whistle:

Great stuff so far buddy :like:

Looks great! :tu:

If you can get the usual accessories in there (tweezers, toothpick, pin, pen) and do anodizing and milling (I'm thinking OC ti-lox like your customs), then I'd be all over a set or two.

Thats exactly the plan.  I will make up some with no slot, all slots, some slots...  Then some different ones.  I still want to try an integrated tweezer.  Either slides out like the pen in a 58mm or folds out.  I have some Ti the right thickness to make unibody tweezers from and Ive been really curious to know if that would work.   I still want a firesteel slot somewhere too.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 28, 2016, 11:13:47 PM
I started prototyping 91mm snap on Ti scales.  :D  So far I got the inner bushing holes machined and test fit them on some SAKs.  Perfect fit.  :D

Would it be possible to pocket a place out for toothpick and tweezers :think:  :D

Never mind you are just prototyping and seeing what all is possible right now I guess :whistle:

Great stuff so far buddy :like:

Ya I work on one machining op at a time.  The holes and profile are key.  Then I can work on the slots and other ideas.  I think a swing out mini drawer is possible too.  I can see some uses for that like a mini sewing kit.  Would be cool to only have to ship scales.  Shipping would only be like 5-10 worldwide.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on November 29, 2016, 12:04:15 AM
I started prototyping 91mm snap on Ti scales.  :D  So far I got the inner bushing holes machined and test fit them on some SAKs.  Perfect fit.  :D

Would it be possible to pocket a place out for toothpick and tweezers :think:  :D

Never mind you are just prototyping and seeing what all is possible right now I guess :whistle:

Great stuff so far buddy :like:

Ya I work on one machining op at a time.  The holes and profile are key.  Then I can work on the slots and other ideas.  I think a swing out mini drawer is possible too.  I can see some uses for that like a mini sewing kit.  Would be cool to only have to ship scales.  Shipping would only be like 5-10 worldwide.

The mini drawer idea sounds awesome and once I posted that about the toothpick and tweezer I was like :facepalm: He is just getting everything correct to be able to put them on before anything else :D So then I went and edited it really quick :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on November 29, 2016, 01:00:16 AM
I started prototyping 91mm snap on Ti scales.  :D  So far I got the inner bushing holes machined and test fit them on some SAKs.  Perfect fit.  :D
...........
Would be cool to only have to ship scales.  Shipping would only be like 5-10 worldwide.
That would be amazing
- Although I never understood how you could make a hole where it is larger on the inside than the rim - ie to fit the 'head' of the bushings - eg even on the current Celidor scales ???
And this would seem even harder when the scales are metal!

Ya I work on one machining op at a time.  The holes and profile are key.  Then I can work on the slots and other ideas.  I think a swing out mini drawer is possible too.  I can see some uses for that like a mini sewing kit. 
Can't wait to see a Syph wundersak with tw and tp - The tp is one of my 'must have' tools on a SAK
Liking the idea of a slide out drawer - That would be like a secret drawer - What fun

That's exactly the plan.  I will make up some with no slot, all slots, some slots...  Then some different ones.  I still want to try an integrated tweezer.  Either slides out like the pen in a 58mm or folds out.  I have some Ti the right thickness to make unibody tweezers from and Ive been really curious to know if that would work.   I still want a fire-steel slot somewhere too.
Not so keen on the idea of integrated/fold out tweezers though - eg Micra/Leap - Prefer the SAK detachable method.
Can't really explain why - I guess integrated is a little unwieldy??
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 29, 2016, 01:18:12 AM
The only reason I wanted to try integrated is so they can never be lost.   
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on November 29, 2016, 02:09:33 AM
The only reason I wanted to try integrated is so they can never be lost.

Interested in seeing this :like: Also how you are going to accomplish this :tu:

Exciting stuff :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on November 30, 2016, 02:33:48 AM
Damn Syph, I leave for awhile and you go and start making brass 91mm alox scales with backtools and slide ins.  Madness!

What is the status of your locking 94mm mainblade insert?  I have a TI Urban Pioneer that wants an upgrade!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: papercut on November 30, 2016, 02:40:57 AM
Its not too many times I get to show a new configuration... but here it one.  First time ever, have I done this one.  Both phillips and corkscrew on the back of a SAK with only one scale cutout. ( I did this once ages ago with 2 scale cutouts).

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom587/IMG_7834.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom587/IMG_7837.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom587/IMG_7851.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom587/IMG_7855.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom550Plus/Custom587/IMG_7859.jpg)

As you can see there was just barely enough space and the phillips needed to take the space under the saw layer too, so I had to put a little stub piece in there to tension the saw spring.

HFS, this is crazy!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 30, 2016, 04:57:58 AM
I started prototyping 91mm snap on Ti scales.  :D  So far I got the inner bushing holes machined and test fit them on some SAKs.  Perfect fit.  :D

Would it be possible to pocket a place out for toothpick and tweezers :think:  :D

Never mind you are just prototyping and seeing what all is possible right now I guess :whistle:

Great stuff so far buddy :like:

Ya I work on one machining op at a time.  The holes and profile are key.  Then I can work on the slots and other ideas.  I think a swing out mini drawer is possible too.  I can see some uses for that like a mini sewing kit.  Would be cool to only have to ship scales.  Shipping would only be like 5-10 worldwide.

So these will snap on or epoxy would be needed/recommended?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 30, 2016, 02:10:50 PM
I started prototyping 91mm snap on Ti scales.  :D  So far I got the inner bushing holes machined and test fit them on some SAKs.  Perfect fit.  :D

Would it be possible to pocket a place out for toothpick and tweezers :think:  :D

Never mind you are just prototyping and seeing what all is possible right now I guess :whistle:

Great stuff so far buddy :like:

Ya I work on one machining op at a time.  The holes and profile are key.  Then I can work on the slots and other ideas.  I think a swing out mini drawer is possible too.  I can see some uses for that like a mini sewing kit.  Would be cool to only have to ship scales.  Shipping would only be like 5-10 worldwide.

So these will snap on or epoxy would be needed/recommended?

I think it will still need a dab of epoxy on each bushing.  That would be the best I think.  Still removable that way if you hit it with a heat gun it will melt the epoxy and allow the scales to come off.  I also want to test hot glue as it would be even easier to remove if its strong enough.  I want to do a backscale option with pocket clip so the attachment method must be secure enough to not rip the back scale off if its a clip version.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 02, 2016, 08:19:33 PM
More brass.... :D  Just a wee spartan.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom608/IMG_9062.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom608/IMG_9092.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom608/IMG_9148.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on December 02, 2016, 08:35:42 PM
Another sweet SAK :o Love it Syph :tu: :like: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 02, 2016, 08:55:55 PM
Another sweet SAK :o Love it Syph :tu: :like: :like: :like:
+1  :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 09, 2016, 05:54:54 PM
Micro machining today.  Operation 1 finished...

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 09, 2016, 08:26:41 PM
94!

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Post by: Syph007 on December 12, 2016, 04:21:15 PM
I'm working on a bladeless cybertool with custom theme... :D 

The scales were engraved, then anodized then polished then tumbled.... I like the blue/gray quite alot. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_9290.jpg)

Since I wanted a way to add the keyring, but this will have no blade or opener layer I couldnt add one the standard way.  I figured the easiest way would be to cut a custom shaped CT liner with a nub on the end to add the keyring.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_9299.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 12, 2016, 04:32:36 PM
Interesting!
JR
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Post by: Poncho65 on December 12, 2016, 09:01:38 PM
Can't wait to see the finished result :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on December 12, 2016, 10:15:24 PM
Love the scales, the blue really does stand out against the matte finish.

Nice to see the Tormach churning out those wacky CyberTool liners instead of you having to hand cut them...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 13, 2016, 05:23:52 PM
Well this turned out just fine...  :D  CT41 minus blade and opener layers. The keyring part I added worked, so I was able to add the keying ok.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom611/IMG_9381.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom611/IMG_9392.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom611/IMG_9396.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom611/IMG_9403.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom611/IMG_9408.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom611/IMG_9416.jpg)
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Post by: SteveC on December 13, 2016, 05:43:12 PM
 :like: :cheers: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on December 13, 2016, 05:48:53 PM
Very cool mod 8) I love the toolset on it very much :like: :like:
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 13, 2016, 07:26:54 PM
Oh that's nice!
JR
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Post by: Oxford_Guy on December 13, 2016, 08:49:34 PM
Doctor Who's Sonic Screwdriver made real :-)
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Post by: Syph007 on December 13, 2016, 08:54:09 PM
Doctor Who's Sonic Screwdriver made real :-)

I wish I could have added a glowing crystal too
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Post by: Ombudsman on December 14, 2016, 07:45:15 PM
Doctor Who's Sonic Screwdriver made real :-)

I wish I could have added a glowing crystal too

Amazing job Syph !  :salute:

Now you can do a small 58mm companion with a K-9 theme  ;)

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Post by: Fortytwo on December 15, 2016, 11:02:55 AM
Doctor Who's Sonic Screwdriver made real :-)

I wish I could have added a glowing crystal too

Milled slot and a tritium vial?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on December 15, 2016, 04:02:34 PM
Doctor Who's Sonic Screwdriver made real :-)

I wish I could have added a glowing crystal too

Milled slot and a tritium vial?

Yes, but that is the light saber version.... :whistle:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on December 15, 2016, 04:44:40 PM
Doctor Who's Sonic Screwdriver made real :-)

I wish I could have added a glowing crystal too

Milled slot and a tritium vial?

Yes, but that is the light saber version.... :whistle:

Nice!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 18, 2017, 06:07:19 PM
Finally feeling well enough after fighting pneumonia for awhile to get back to work.   

Today's job was a compact tinker with initials engraved on back.  I also make a one piece solid body Ti liner/keyring holder tumbled to match.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom618/IMG_9685.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom618/IMG_9695.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom618/IMG_9699.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom618/IMG_9705.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom618/IMG_9713.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on January 18, 2017, 06:13:30 PM
Finally feeling well enough after fighting pneumonia for awhile to get back to work.   

Today's job was a compact tinker with initials engraved on back.  I also make a one piece solid body Ti liner/keyring holder tumbled to match.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom618/IMG_9685.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom618/IMG_9695.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom618/IMG_9699.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom618/IMG_9705.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom618/IMG_9713.jpg)

Awesome work! I'm glad you're feeling better (that means we get more pictures for us to  :drool: over)!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 18, 2017, 06:27:41 PM
Nice, glad your feeling better!
JR
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Post by: Monrogue on January 19, 2017, 12:23:57 AM
Glad you're feeling better :tu:  I was wondering why we hadn't seen you around.

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Post by: Poncho65 on January 19, 2017, 05:37:23 AM
Glad you're feeling better :tu:  I was wondering why we hadn't seen you around.

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+1 Glad you are feeling better buddy :tu: Beautiful work as usual :cheers: :cheers: :like:
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Post by: Glofindel on January 19, 2017, 06:57:27 AM
Great to hear you're well. I sent some people to get your quotes.

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Post by: magentus on January 19, 2017, 09:55:38 AM
Glad you're well again Sy - your beautiful work is a sight for sore eyes!
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Post by: jaya_man on January 19, 2017, 11:01:04 AM
Glad that your back to good health... starting to miss your awesome creations


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on January 19, 2017, 02:27:50 PM
Glad to hear you are on the mend  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 19, 2017, 05:08:15 PM
Thanks guys.

Another similar today.  Everyone likes the compact tinker for sure.  I just wish it didnt take 2 donor saks for parts!  I wish the DofE compact was easily available here as that one comes with a phillips on back.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom619/IMG_9727.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom619/IMG_9736.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom619/IMG_9741.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom619/IMG_9757.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on January 21, 2017, 08:26:41 PM
Awesomeness :dd: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Oxford_Guy on January 22, 2017, 02:50:10 PM
Is there a Syph Mod owners thread? If not, there should be! :-)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 25, 2017, 04:17:59 PM
Polished Steel (400 series) scales on a spartan.  Way more annoying to machine Steels vs Ti.  You have to cut alot slower to not kick up a bur.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom620/IMG_9817.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom620/IMG_9812.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom620/IMG_9796.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom620/IMG_9799.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jaya_man on January 25, 2017, 04:30:49 PM
 Am amazed as always :like: :drool:


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on January 25, 2017, 04:34:27 PM
Hey Syph, I was cutting bread with a fully serrated Victorinox kitchen knife, and I had an idea. What if you took the blade of such a knife and modded it to fit in a SAK? Is it possible? It would be thinner than the main blade, so you would need a new thinner spring. Or you could make pen knife blades out of it.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 25, 2017, 04:37:36 PM
Hey Syph, I was cutting bread with a fully serrated Victorinox kitchen knife, and I had an idea. What if you took the blade of such a knife and modded it to fit in a SAK? Is it possible? It would be thinner than the main blade, so you would need a new thinner spring. Or you could make pen knife blades out of it.

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Yes totally possible.  I would surface grind a backspring to make it thinner.  I have a small serrated kitchen one and its quite well made.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on January 25, 2017, 04:41:42 PM
If only I could get the green light from "She who must be obeyed"!😉😂

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on January 25, 2017, 05:18:09 PM
Man, that polished steel knife is downright sexy.  Something about polished metal is just so appealing.  Sure, there are a few drawbacks like fingerprints and a bit slippery due to the smooth finish, but when its shined up it sure does look great.  I hear there are some wax based products that help with the fingerprints.

Thanks for sharing and great work as always!

Edit: I meant to add this as well.  The anodizing on the Ti is holding up well.  It's been nearly a year since I got the knife and almost 5 months since I got the scales.  Starting to wear a little at the edges on the high points, but you have to look at it closely to really notice.  Not bad for daily carry in a pocket full of keys.

Another day at the beach.  Maybe I should get a house there?
(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/SAKs_On_The_Beach_1_20170115.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on January 25, 2017, 05:32:51 PM
Oh my, that full metal jacket looks awesome!

I won't find any of those on a flea market anytime soon I guess :(
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 25, 2017, 05:57:28 PM
Another beauty! :tu:
JR
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Post by: Syph007 on January 25, 2017, 05:58:31 PM
Man, that polished steel knife is downright sexy.  Something about polished metal is just so appealing.  Sure, there are a few drawbacks like fingerprints and a bit slippery due to the smooth finish, but when its shined up it sure does look great.  I hear there are some wax based products that help with the fingerprints.

Thanks for sharing and great work as always!

Edit: I meant to add this as well.  The anodizing on the Ti is holding up well.  It's been nearly a year since I got the knife and almost 5 months since I got the scales.  Starting to wear a little at the edges on the high points, but you have to look at it closely to really notice.  Not bad for daily carry in a pocket full of keys.

Another day at the beach.  Maybe I should get a house there?
(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/SAKs_On_The_Beach_1_20170115.jpg)

Ya Id expect it to wear like alox, the edges and high points, but the color in the texture should hold on. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on January 25, 2017, 06:06:43 PM
Syph007 is on some next level ISH!!!!

Been following this thread now for a while and you sir have always upped your own level of awesome. 

 :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 25, 2017, 06:12:18 PM
Syph007 is on some next level ISH!!!!

Been following this thread now for a while and you sir have always upped your own level of awesome. 

 :like:
He's always had my attn!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on January 25, 2017, 06:19:18 PM
Syph007,  just purely out of curiosity, seeing that you have that machine now and all, would it be possible for you to make Leatherman parts? 

I don't even know what  :think: maybe blades?  Pry tool?  Marlin spike?  I don't know I was just thinking out loud. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 25, 2017, 06:44:46 PM
Syph007,  just purely out of curiosity, seeing that you have that machine now and all, would it be possible for you to make Leatherman parts? 

I don't even know what  :think: maybe blades?  Pry tool?  Marlin spike?  I don't know I was just thinking out loud.

Yes for sure.  I did make some brass and Ti juice scales.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 25, 2017, 07:31:41 PM
You work a lathe too syph?
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 25, 2017, 08:13:36 PM
You work a lathe too syph?
JR

No, ive been using my mill to make any small round parts I need.  Works no problem for small stuff.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on January 25, 2017, 08:21:01 PM
Syph007 is on some next level ISH!!!!

Been following this thread now for a while and you sir have always upped your own level of awesome. 

 :like:
He's always had my attn!
JR
Ditto ;)
That polished steel is :drool:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on January 25, 2017, 08:48:14 PM
More excellent stuff with the polished look Syph :o :like: :like:

Have you made any progress on the 91mm Ti glue on scales? :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Oxford_Guy on January 25, 2017, 09:52:16 PM
Hey Syph, I was cutting bread with a fully serrated Victorinox kitchen knife, and I had an idea. What if you took the blade of such a knife and modded it to fit in a SAK? Is it possible? It would be thinner than the main blade, so you would need a new thinner spring. Or you could make pen knife blades out of it.

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The Vic saw works well for baguettes...
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Post by: Syph007 on January 26, 2017, 03:37:54 PM
I wanted to come up with a new scale look and Im feeling something steampunk would be cool.  So far Ive got some gear vectors that I like and Im thinking.  Maybe an old clock face where the cross would normally be and some gears and pulleys... This is just something to engrave and anodize for a different look.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=302858;image)
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Post by: Syph007 on January 26, 2017, 08:31:32 PM
Still playing around, but I might try this to see how it looks. 

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=302881;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 26, 2017, 08:46:34 PM
What if you were to place the gear around the pins?
JR
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Post by: Poncho65 on January 26, 2017, 11:11:49 PM
Very cool stuff so far Syph 8) :like:

What if you were to place the gear around the pins?
JR

That also would be cool to see :o :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Ombudsman on January 27, 2017, 01:35:31 AM

You can use the Antikythera Mechanism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism) gear template. :D

(http://images3.sw-cdn.net/product/picture/625x465_1905586_1709106_1459325124.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on January 27, 2017, 03:42:46 AM
Still playing around, but I might try this to see how it looks. 

Looks interesting Syph -
I think the clock face should be vertical relative to the length of the SAK - ie not at 90deg as you have it
Also agree a cog around a pin would be cool - But I guess space maybe a constraint !!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on January 27, 2017, 02:08:07 PM
I wanted to come up with a new scale look and Im feeling something steampunk would be cool.  So far Ive got some gear vectors that I like and Im thinking.  Maybe an old clock face where the cross would normally be and some gears and pulleys... This is just something to engrave and anodize for a different look.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=302858;image)
You said steampunk and I though steam train..........what about scaling the gears, adding the arm (??) to make it look like the drive of a locomotive?


Brilliant theme idea anyway  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 27, 2017, 02:24:11 PM
I have a bunch of brass gears that I bought to build an actual working steampunk mechanism, but I couldnt figure out what to make it do except maybe eject the tweezers from the scale.  Or just spin each other for a fiddly hand toy...  But then if i wanted a mechanism on the shcale what can I use that is clear to cover it.  I dont think there are many options that I can cut and shape except polycarb. Plexiglass would crack if dropped.  Where is transparent aluminum when you need it.

I wanted to come up with a new scale look and Im feeling something steampunk would be cool.  So far Ive got some gear vectors that I like and Im thinking.  Maybe an old clock face where the cross would normally be and some gears and pulleys... This is just something to engrave and anodize for a different look.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=302858;image)
You said steampunk and I though steam train..........what about scaling the gears, adding the arm (??) to make it look like the drive of a locomotive?


Brilliant theme idea anyway  :tu:

That would look awesome.  I suppose if I solve what to cover a scale with I could put any type of clock or watch mechanism in there.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 30, 2017, 06:32:02 PM
I still build alot of blue tiox super tinkers.  This has become quite a standard request.  Here the only difference is I removed the keyring from the opener layer spring.  Ground off the piece of spring with the hole and then sanded and buffed it.  It doenst even look like there ever was one now.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom621/IMG_9835.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom621/IMG_9854.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom621/IMG_9834.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom621/IMG_9859.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 30, 2017, 09:01:22 PM
Love the color!
JR
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Post by: Fortytwo on January 30, 2017, 09:31:08 PM
Love the color!
JR

+1, the cross really makes it look extra professional. It's nice to see the single piece liner as well, that takes the knife another step above stock configuration.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Oxford_Guy on January 30, 2017, 09:44:38 PM
I still build alot of blue tiox super tinkers.  This has become quite a standard request.  Here the only difference is I removed the keyring from the opener layer spring.  Ground off the piece of spring with the hole and then sanded and buffed it.  It doenst even look like there ever was one now.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom621/IMG_9835.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom621/IMG_9854.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom621/IMG_9834.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom621/IMG_9859.jpg)


I can see why it's popular! Have you tried doing the Tiox scales in green or purple yet?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 31, 2017, 05:39:16 AM
I still build alot of blue tiox super tinkers.  This has become quite a standard request.  Here the only difference is I removed the keyring from the opener layer spring.  Ground off the piece of spring with the hole and then sanded and buffed it.  It doenst even look like there ever was one now.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom621/IMG_9835.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom621/IMG_9854.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom621/IMG_9834.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom621/IMG_9859.jpg)


I can see why it's popular! Have you tried doing the Tiox scales in green or purple yet?

I need to etch the scales to get the higher voltage colors and the best chemical for that is hydrofloric acid.  I found a source but havent got any yet.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 31, 2017, 05:40:49 AM

You can use the Antikythera Mechanism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism) gear template. :D

(http://images3.sw-cdn.net/product/picture/625x465_1905586_1709106_1459325124.jpg)

Do you follow clickspring on youtube, he is starting to do a build of that mechanism.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: shibafu on January 31, 2017, 10:52:30 AM
I need to etch the scales to get the higher voltage colors and the best chemical for that is hydrofloric acid.  I found a source but havent got any yet.

Exceptionally dangerous stuff, be careful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrofluoric_acid#Health_and_safety
https://web.utk.edu/~ehss/training/has.pdf
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 31, 2017, 03:03:40 PM
I need to etch the scales to get the higher voltage colors and the best chemical for that is hydrofloric acid.  I found a source but havent got any yet.

Exceptionally dangerous stuff, be careful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrofluoric_acid#Health_and_safety
https://web.utk.edu/~ehss/training/has.pdf

Oh I know all about it.   Killed lots of artists who used it to etch metals.   Im only going to use it in the back shed with an exhaust vent.  Its sold as rust remover in the US and I can order it from there.  Noone in canada sells it.

This stuff is what the other Ti etchers have been using

https://www.amazon.com/Whink-1081-Rust-Stain-Remover/dp/B000LNQNM0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485871172&sr=8-1&keywords=whink
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on January 31, 2017, 03:33:22 PM
I need to etch the scales to get the higher voltage colors and the best chemical for that is hydrofloric acid.  I found a source but havent got any yet.

Exceptionally dangerous stuff, be careful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrofluoric_acid#Health_and_safety
https://web.utk.edu/~ehss/training/has.pdf

Oh I know all about it.   Killed lots of artists who used it to etch metals.   Im only going to use it in the back shed with an exhaust vent.  Its sold as rust remover in the US and I can order it from there.  Noone in canada sells it.

This stuff is what the other Ti etchers have been using

https://www.amazon.com/Whink-1081-Rust-Stain-Remover/dp/B000LNQNM0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485871172&sr=8-1&keywords=whink

What about Multi-Etch? I've seen some YouTubers using it. Not sure what the chemical makeup of it is, but it's supposed to work well for Ti Anodizing.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 31, 2017, 04:16:33 PM
I need to etch the scales to get the higher voltage colors and the best chemical for that is hydrofloric acid.  I found a source but havent got any yet.

Exceptionally dangerous stuff, be careful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrofluoric_acid#Health_and_safety
https://web.utk.edu/~ehss/training/has.pdf

Oh I know all about it.   Killed lots of artists who used it to etch metals.   Im only going to use it in the back shed with an exhaust vent.  Its sold as rust remover in the US and I can order it from there.  Noone in canada sells it.

This stuff is what the other Ti etchers have been using

https://www.amazon.com/Whink-1081-Rust-Stain-Remover/dp/B000LNQNM0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485871172&sr=8-1&keywords=whink

What about Multi-Etch? I've seen some YouTubers using it. Not sure what the chemical makeup of it is, but it's supposed to work well for Ti Anodizing.

Bought some but its a pain to work with.  Needs to be heated on a hotplate and has a short shelf life when mixed.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on January 31, 2017, 05:28:38 PM
I need to etch the scales to get the higher voltage colors and the best chemical for that is hydrofloric acid.  I found a source but havent got any yet.

Exceptionally dangerous stuff, be careful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrofluoric_acid#Health_and_safety
https://web.utk.edu/~ehss/training/has.pdf

Oh I know all about it.   Killed lots of artists who used it to etch metals.   Im only going to use it in the back shed with an exhaust vent.  Its sold as rust remover in the US and I can order it from there.  Noone in canada sells it.

This stuff is what the other Ti etchers have been using

https://www.amazon.com/Whink-1081-Rust-Stain-Remover/dp/B000LNQNM0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485871172&sr=8-1&keywords=whink

What about Multi-Etch? I've seen some YouTubers using it. Not sure what the chemical makeup of it is, but it's supposed to work well for Ti Anodizing.

Bought some but its a pain to work with.  Needs to be heated on a hotplate and has a short shelf life when mixed.

Good to know.

Stay safe if you go the Hydrofluoric Acid route. I still remember the horror stories my Chemistry teachers used to tell about labs that used it...  :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on February 02, 2017, 01:52:08 AM
I need to etch the scales to get the higher voltage colors and the best chemical for that is hydrofloric acid.  I found a source but havent got any yet.
Exceptionally dangerous stuff, be careful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrofluoric_acid#Health_and_safety
https://web.utk.edu/~ehss/training/has.pdf
Oh I know all about it.   Killed lots of artists who used it to etch metals.   Im only going to use it in the back shed with an exhaust vent.  Its sold as rust remover in the US and I can order it from there.  Noone in canada sells it.
........

Be careful Syph

Here's a report about a lab technician in Oz who carked it due to HF poisoning - Some good recommendations about how to handle HF in the report!!
http://www.ab.ust.hk/hseo/tips/ch/ch005.htm
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 02, 2017, 02:44:03 AM
I need to etch the scales to get the higher voltage colors and the best chemical for that is hydrofloric acid.  I found a source but havent got any yet.
Exceptionally dangerous stuff, be careful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrofluoric_acid#Health_and_safety
https://web.utk.edu/~ehss/training/has.pdf
Oh I know all about it.   Killed lots of artists who used it to etch metals.   Im only going to use it in the back shed with an exhaust vent.  Its sold as rust remover in the US and I can order it from there.  Noone in canada sells it.
........

Be careful Syph

Here's a report about a lab technician in Oz who carked it due to HF poisoning - Some good recommendations about how to handle HF in the report!!
http://www.ab.ust.hk/hseo/tips/ch/ch005.htm

Ya skin contact is very brutal with HF.  That guy should not have been sitting when working and must not have had the shield down far enough.  Crappy way to go out.

That whink rust remover is far lower concentration than what they would have been using considering this is a consumer product and people use it indoors.  I dont use any chemicals indoors though, all nasty stuff in back yard shed.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 02, 2017, 09:50:25 PM
compact deluxe tinker today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom624/IMG_9957.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom624/IMG_9971.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom624/IMG_9986.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom624/IMG_9989.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: 4everYoung on February 02, 2017, 10:27:04 PM
compact deluxe tinker today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom624/IMG_9957.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom624/IMG_9971.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom624/IMG_9986.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom624/IMG_9989.jpg)

I think you may have just created my dream SAK. 🤤 absolutely beautiful!!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on February 02, 2017, 10:44:52 PM
Maybe you have already answered this but how do you get around the problem with the liner "indent" as mentioned in this topic (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,9808.0.html) by Gareth?. Even if the real problem (overlapping tools) is only applicable when mixing new and old parts the spring is still thicker than the blade without the indent. Doesn't this result in a wiggly blade? 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 03, 2017, 01:35:49 AM
Maybe you have already answered this but how do you get around the problem with the liner "indent" as mentioned in this topic (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,9808.0.html) by Gareth?. Even if the real problem (overlapping tools) is only applicable when mixing new and old parts the spring is still thicker than the blade without the indent. Doesn't this result in a wiggly blade?

I make 0.015" phosphor bronze washers to fill out the gap.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on February 03, 2017, 01:59:16 AM
More beautiful work Syph :dd: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on February 03, 2017, 02:11:16 AM
Maybe you have already answered this but how do you get around the problem with the liner "indent" as mentioned in this topic (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,9808.0.html) by Gareth?. Even if the real problem (overlapping tools) is only applicable when mixing new and old parts the spring is still thicker than the blade without the indent. Doesn't this result in a wiggly blade?

I make 0.015" phosphor bronze washers to fill out the gap.

Thank you, you are always very helpful!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 03, 2017, 03:05:19 AM
Another beauty! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on February 03, 2017, 03:48:51 PM
Scale tools in metal scales... interesting, very interesting indeed.  :like:

I am not sure that I ever noticed that in your work before now. But I see it is not a new feature. I suppose that there must be a liner beneath the scale to provide a covering for the slot of the tool? And most importantly, can you make a 93mm model with that feature?  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on February 03, 2017, 04:34:05 PM
Scale tools in metal scales... interesting, very interesting indeed.  :like:

I am not sure that I ever noticed that in your work before now. But I see it is not a new feature. I suppose that there must be a liner beneath the scale to provide a covering for the slot of the tool? And most importantly, can you make a 93mm model with that feature?  :drool:

I seem to remember Syph saying that no, he doesn't use a liner. Instead he makes use of the spring to hold the tool in place, quite ingenious.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 03, 2017, 05:23:00 PM
Scale tools in metal scales... interesting, very interesting indeed.  :like:

I am not sure that I ever noticed that in your work before now. But I see it is not a new feature. I suppose that there must be a liner beneath the scale to provide a covering for the slot of the tool? And most importantly, can you make a 93mm model with that feature?  :drool:

No liner, since the backspring is bent to accomodate the backtool on the blade layer, I make use of its position to retain the tweezers.   When I convert a SAK to the Ti scales, less liners, its saves about the same thickness as a pliers layer in total thickness and is quite significant.

That same trick cant work on a 93mm since the springs are flush to the bottom of the sak.

Here's a pic of the inside of the backscale.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=303907;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Oxford_Guy on February 04, 2017, 02:34:45 PM
compact deluxe tinker today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom624/IMG_9957.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom624/IMG_9971.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom624/IMG_9986.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom624/IMG_9989.jpg)


That's a 10!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 04, 2017, 05:08:37 PM
Ive been working quite alot lately trying to get some orders finished up.  I got these 2 done last night.

The 2 layer with pliers and nail file Im sure is a first for me. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom626/IMG_0076.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom626/IMG_0084.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom625/IMG_0020.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom625/IMG_0024.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom625/IMG_0044.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 04, 2017, 05:39:54 PM
Good stuff :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on February 07, 2017, 02:53:16 PM
I've been trying to read thru this thread, but it is sooooo long!  Good reading but alot of posts!  So if this has been covered, my apologies...

Can you do a bail on the end of one of your creations?

Awesome work, by the way!


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on February 07, 2017, 02:54:26 PM
Remember those 154cm blades I had made a looong time ago.. well I finally got one in a knife.

I make the thick spacer out of Titanium, and yes this has a bail with tapered tips to fit in torx T9 screws.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom158/IMG_9133.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom158/IMG_9149.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom158/IMG_9152.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom158/IMG_9156.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom158/IMG_9167.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom158/IMG_9172.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom000/Custom158/IMG_9179.jpg)
Never mind my previous post, found the answer!



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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 07, 2017, 03:02:58 PM
I've been trying to read thru this thread, but it is sooooo long!  Good reading but alot of posts!  So if this has been covered, my apologies...

Can you do a bail on the end of one of your creations?

Awesome work, by the way!


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I havent made a bail yet, but Im sure there is a way.  I think machining one from flat Ti stock probably makes the most sense to try.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 07, 2017, 10:44:28 PM
Finally found a guy named Steve to buy this SAK!   :rofl:

No corkscrew/phillips cutout on this one.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0224.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0226.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0238.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0215.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0183.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on February 08, 2017, 01:49:42 AM
I saw one of your creations on eBay...Is that the normal pricing for your beauties? If so, well out of my reach!   Gorgeous though!!!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 08, 2017, 03:40:36 PM
I saw one of your creations on eBay...Is that the normal pricing for your beauties? If so, well out of my reach!   Gorgeous though!!!

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I'd say 90% of what I do falls into the 250-350 range.  Depends on what options people want, and how many SAKs it takes for donor parts.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on February 08, 2017, 08:19:37 PM
Well worth the cost, the workmanship is amazing.  I have certainly never regretted my purchase.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Oxford_Guy on February 09, 2017, 02:30:17 PM
Finally found a guy named Steve to buy this SAK!   :rofl:

No corkscrew/phillips cutout on this one.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0224.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0226.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0238.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0215.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0183.jpg)

Very elegant! :-)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 09, 2017, 10:10:57 PM
A bit of yeoman action today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom628/IMG_0275.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom628/IMG_0285.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom628/IMG_0299.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom628/IMG_0281.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 09, 2017, 11:20:07 PM
Finally found a guy named Steve to buy this SAK!   :rofl:

No corkscrew/phillips cutout on this one.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0224.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0226.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0238.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0215.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0183.jpg)

Is there an empty space on the bottom where the CS would go?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 09, 2017, 11:37:27 PM
Finally found a guy named Steve to buy this SAK!   :rofl:

No corkscrew/phillips cutout on this one.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0224.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0226.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0238.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0215.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom627/IMG_0183.jpg)

Is there an empty space on the bottom where the CS would go?

Nope I put the awl there and a fine driver on back of the opener layer.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on February 10, 2017, 04:19:48 AM
Another work of art :salute: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on February 10, 2017, 01:26:43 PM
That's a nice one. Take off the scissors and add a flat sd opposite the blade and it's prefect for me.


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 11, 2017, 10:22:03 PM
I dont work on the 93mm size much any more, but here is one born today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom629/IMG_0357.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom629/IMG_0363.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom629/IMG_0384.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom629/IMG_0390.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on February 11, 2017, 11:42:57 PM
Really love those liners, especially the double-width one.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 12, 2017, 02:05:45 AM
Nice! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on February 12, 2017, 06:07:52 PM
Swiss and Canadian engineering seem to go well together.  :cheers:

I saw your previous replay about the scale tolls in 93 mods and that is too bad as what I would some day like to get is a bit thick as it is... And nice trick for the same in 91mm line.

And when you say you no longer work much with the 93mm line, is this because you don't like to or because there is not much interest in it?  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 12, 2017, 07:14:51 PM
Swiss and Canadian engineering seem to go well together.  :cheers:

I saw your previous replay about the scale tolls in 93 mods and that is too bad as what I would some day like to get is a bit thick as it is... And nice trick for the same in 91mm line.

And when you say you no longer work much with the 93mm line, is this because you don't like to or because there is not much interest in it?  :D

Cost is the main reason since I dont make the backsprings any more.  People always want tools added from the 91mm line and once you do that it costs more for an alox 93 than a Ti 91.  And a Ti 91 is way better in quality, durability an tools per thickness. 

Example to add pliers to a pioneer, 4 SAKs. 
Build a Ti 91 with pliers, 1 donor SAK.

The other main reason is how awful the scissors on the pioneer x are.  The backwards nail nick ruins it, and the spring is so over strong if I dont weaken it when i do my pivot conversion the scissors are almost impossible to open.  I first used to bend the spring but now I find it more efficient to modify the pivot end of the 93mm scissors so they have less cam action.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on February 12, 2017, 07:43:17 PM
Syph, I have sent you a PM..Not heard back so wasn't sure if you were too busy or just didn't get it.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 13, 2017, 02:48:29 PM
And the simple spartan once in awhile gets some love...  This one has a textured front and plain back.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom630/IMG_0415.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom630/IMG_0417.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom630/IMG_0402.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom630/IMG_0412.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on February 13, 2017, 03:29:31 PM
What size is that?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on February 13, 2017, 04:21:26 PM
I see there is only one scale tool the latest tool in this thread, thee tweezers I presume. So there can be no toothpick (I guess it would have to be a metallic one, but what good is that if it is not made of gold? :D)? What about the rest of the tools in the plus scales, the ballpoint pen and the pin, is there any chance you could include those? :D

I know I've been asking a bit to many questions lately, but any impulsive buy starts with so many damn questions...  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 13, 2017, 05:02:18 PM
Nice! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on February 13, 2017, 05:10:06 PM
I was also hoping I could get the toothpick in one scale, tweezers in the other.  There was some discussion of this a few months ago...

Maybe it would be necessary to put a liner under the scale to hold the toothpick?  I would have no problem with that solution.

I've got my donor knives ready to go, just waiting for this.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on February 13, 2017, 09:15:01 PM
I see there is only one scale tool the latest tool in this thread, thee tweezers I presume. So there can be no toothpick (I guess it would have to be a metallic one, but what good is that if it is not made of gold? :D)? What about the rest of the tools in the plus scales, the ballpoint pen and the pin, is there any chance you could include those? :D

I know I've been asking a bit to many questions lately, but any impulsive buy starts with so many damn questions...  :D
Check back in this thread - Syph discusses options and plans
(Maybe search on pin or pen or toothpick)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on February 14, 2017, 12:21:04 AM
Syph,

Do you still mess with the clip point blades and BO?



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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 15, 2017, 03:13:19 PM
Unicorns?   :think:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_0427.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_0423.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on February 15, 2017, 03:18:03 PM
Is the unicorn a Blade Runner reference?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 15, 2017, 03:30:40 PM
Is the unicorn a Blade Runner reference?

I have no idea.  The customer is having this made for a gift for a female friend and thats all I know.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 15, 2017, 05:02:10 PM
Is the unicorn a Blade Runner reference?

I have no idea.  The customer is having this made for a gift for a female friend and thats all I know.
Well that's cool.
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 17, 2017, 09:58:02 PM
Here's the final build pics of project unicorn.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom632/IMG_0444.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom632/IMG_0466.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom632/IMG_0473.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom632/IMG_0487.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 17, 2017, 10:06:56 PM
Very nice :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on February 18, 2017, 06:51:51 AM
Yeonicorn. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Ron Who on February 18, 2017, 01:07:03 PM
Yeonicorn. :D

And not unicorny at all.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 19, 2017, 08:30:37 PM
The customer for this build wanted as few backtools as possible.  The saw and scissors layer I could accommodate but the blade layer needed something so I went with the awl there.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom633/IMG_0567.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom633/IMG_0621.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom633/IMG_0605.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom633/IMG_0629.jpg)

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 19, 2017, 09:18:10 PM
Nice, that boys got to be heavy..
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 22, 2017, 09:11:36 PM
The cybertools are popular lately.  Here's another, and I have yet another going together.

This one is the widest bladeless one Ive done yet.  The liners are polished Ti.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom634/IMG_0727.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom634/IMG_0730.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom634/IMG_0719.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom634/IMG_0701.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom634/IMG_0706.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom634/IMG_0683.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 22, 2017, 09:13:23 PM
Oh and this is unique since I replaced the blade layer with the scissors layer but put the corkscrew on the back in place of the hook.  The backspring does need to be modified for this to work.  I ground off the corner of the spring where the corkscrew contacts it, to give it just the big of extra room needed for the corkscrew to close.  Works perfect.  :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=306173;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 22, 2017, 10:04:28 PM
Nice :tu:
JR
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Post by: Poncho65 on February 23, 2017, 04:32:34 AM
More stuff for me to  :drool: :drool: :drool: over :D

Great stuff Syph :tu: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 25, 2017, 07:30:56 PM
Skeletonized front scale.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_0751.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_0754.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_0757.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on February 25, 2017, 09:45:35 PM
Amazing - Can't wait to see this one finished.

Is this a Syph brainchild or a request/suggestion?

Like the way you included the extra support for the fourth pin!!
Interesting you hollowed out under the cross members?
Will that be strong enough? - Or at least is there a chance the struts could get dented inwards???
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 25, 2017, 10:34:56 PM
Amazing - Can't wait to see this one finished.

Is this a Syph brainchild or a request/suggestion?

Like the way you included the extra support for the fourth pin!!
Interesting you hollowed out under the cross members?
Will that be strong enough? - Or at least is there a chance the struts could get dented inwards???

I messed up my first attempt so I stress tested that one and let me tell you its plenty strong.  Youd have to pound on it with a hammer to dent it.  It went from 18 grams to 8 grams with the lightening process.  The cross member part is still 0.040" thick and in Ti alloy that is plenty.  If this was in brass then yes it would likely deform if abused.  Id have to leave that part thicker.

This was something thats been stirring around in my mind for awhile now.  Not sure if I love the skull but it fit with the skeletonize idea.  :D  Might look neat blue anodized. 

I still have to design the backscale and machine that, then I can put together something.  I plan to offer skeletonized brass liners too to have the look without the weight. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on February 26, 2017, 12:15:47 AM
Pretty cool Syph :o :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on February 26, 2017, 01:37:06 AM
Thanks Syph

Wow the TI must be so strong

I like the skull - Although a bit of a departure from a cross!!

Looking forward to the finished article  :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 26, 2017, 02:02:13 AM
Thanks Syph

Wow the TI must be so strong

I like the skull - Although a bit of a departure from a cross!!

Looking forward to the finished article  :)

I did start with a cross and that was my first test scale but it felt too plain.  I dont even know if people will want these but it shows off what the machine can do so its worth making some variants to show in a scales options lineup I think.

Maybe I should just try a crossbones set.  I dont know.  The problem with the freedom to make whatever you want means its hard to decide what is best...

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on February 26, 2017, 02:07:38 AM
That's very cool Syph.  It would be hard for me to decide on scales when such customization is possible :ahhh

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jaya_man on February 26, 2017, 04:14:17 AM
Call it a SkeleSAK?


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 26, 2017, 05:37:31 AM
Now that's sick! But in my case all I see is pocket lint getting cought in it, hmm :think: maybe that can be a good thing, a new tool, "the pocket cleaner" scales? lol
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on February 26, 2017, 09:25:07 AM
What about back filling the scale with a clear/colored poly or similar to prevent pocket lint and add a whole new color configuration option? You could even fill with brass or copper or different anodized titanium, but that would really add to the weight.  So many possibilities!  It's great to see what you are coming up with.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Glofindel on February 26, 2017, 10:37:33 AM
Skeletonised scale is awesome.  I can see the exotic inlay on it. 😊

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on February 27, 2017, 01:37:28 PM
The skeletonized scales looks great!! Have you thought about some inlays? Other than the cross, of course, some random patterns with g10, ctek or other materials? I know you were not a huge fan of these composites but I think that with the cnc milling machine it must be easier to work with.


Something like this:
http://www.imgrum.org/media/829217640301150381_387647255


btw, just noticed Glofindel's post, I got a little carried away by the possibilities and didn't pay much attention, sorry about that!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 27, 2017, 03:38:30 PM
The skeletonized scales looks great!! Have you thought about some inlays? Other than the cross, of course, some random patterns with g10, ctek or other materials? I know you were not a huge fan of these composites but I think that with the cnc milling machine it must be easier to work with.


Something like this:
http://www.imgrum.org/media/829217640301150381_387647255


btw, just noticed Glofindel's post, I got a little carried away by the possibilities and didn't pay much attention, sorry about that!

It would look good for sure.  The problem is machining plastics is not an ideal option on my mill since I use flood that would actively destroy any plastics on contact.  I could machine plastic dry though and maybe put a barrier around to keep the bits from going all over.  It wouldn't be too hard to cut a matching insert shape to fit the area ive machined out.  Then you get the benefit of Ti for structure and some options for color contrast.  I'll have to think more about whether thats possible.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on February 27, 2017, 04:26:06 PM
Very true, the coolant didn't even came to mind. I guess you'll just have to buy another mill... :whistle:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 28, 2017, 03:41:53 PM
Here's the finished skeletonized set.  I put a slot along the tweezer area so you can see the tweezers through there.  It was a bit harder to accommodate the slot in the pattern, but I finally like how it looks.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_0780.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_0771.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 28, 2017, 03:45:00 PM
Oh and a customer asked if I would try the tsuiki finish on Ti.  I thought I might as well and see as Ive wondered about that.

I know from experience Ti is soft enough to 'flow' so I beat on it before I made any holes or machining.  It ended up quite bowed so it was hammered flat then onto my milling fixuture.

Im quite happy with the look, and I didnt expect it to look so nice. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_0768.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_0759.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 28, 2017, 04:00:46 PM
NICE, :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jaya_man on February 28, 2017, 05:30:21 PM
That's a nice finish... :like:


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on February 28, 2017, 06:09:46 PM
Ti really seems the way to go with SAK scales.  There is so much that can be done to them.  What a evolution and wonderful thread this has become.   :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on March 01, 2017, 09:33:05 AM
Victorinox and LM should really hire a select few of our members to do their design for them. Not that they are doing such a bad job at the moment but still...  :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on March 01, 2017, 05:20:37 PM
Victorinox and LM should really hire a select few of our members to do their design for them. Not that they are doing such a bad job at the moment but still...  :gimme:

I have been saying this for years now.  I would love to see a Victorinox custom shoppe, LM custom shoppe.  Clearly there are those that will pay for these lovely specimens. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 01, 2017, 05:31:35 PM
Someone has asked for a build with the skeletonized scales so I get to put them in action shortly.   
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on March 01, 2017, 05:34:32 PM
edit
 

Im an idiot 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 01, 2017, 09:00:20 PM

:D :D :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom635/IMG_0830.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom635/IMG_0839.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom635/IMG_0849.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom635/IMG_0785.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom635/IMG_0794.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom635/IMG_0813.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on March 01, 2017, 09:34:00 PM
The skeletonized scales give such a depth to the SAK, and the anodized interior accentuate it even more. It gives another dimension to the knife. Ever thought about something in a Sinkevichish style? BTW you need to make a clip out of a solid billet, it would look awesome in one of your SAKs.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 01, 2017, 09:38:49 PM
Nice! That's also like the perfect couple tools, the only thing is with all the lint in my pockets I'm sure it's going to pull some out! I guess that could be both good or bad, cleans the pockets out, or clogging the knife? :think:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 01, 2017, 09:59:50 PM
Nice! That's also like the perfect couple tools, the only thing is with all the lint in my pockets I'm sure it's going to pull some out! I guess that could be both good or bad, cleans the pockets out, or clogging the knife? :think:
JR

You could jsut run water through it every so often.  Easy to oil too that way.

Build weight of this is 62 grams.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 01, 2017, 10:03:24 PM
The skeletonized scales give such a depth to the SAK, and the anodized interior accentuate it even more. It gives another dimension to the knife. Ever thought about something in a Sinkevichish style? BTW you need to make a clip out of a solid billet, it would look awesome in one of your SAKs.

Not familiar with that, got a pic?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 01, 2017, 10:16:27 PM
Nice! That's also like the perfect couple tools, the only thing is with all the lint in my pockets I'm sure it's going to pull some out! I guess that could be both good or bad, cleans the pockets out, or clogging the knife? :think:
JR

You could jsut run water through it every so often.  Easy to oil too that way.

Build weight of this is 62 grams.
True to both parts, so I guess it should then be an extra tool, what should it be called, the lint trap? lol..
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on March 01, 2017, 11:54:23 PM
Photo from the edge observer, his review is really nice btw, so credit to him.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on March 02, 2017, 04:16:57 AM
That's pretty cool Syph :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: shibafu on March 02, 2017, 11:28:21 AM

:D :D :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom635/IMG_0830.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom635/IMG_0839.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom635/IMG_0849.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom635/IMG_0785.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom635/IMG_0794.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom635/IMG_0813.jpg)

Love it, that's a stunner.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 02, 2017, 10:56:38 PM
This turned out way nicer than I had first thought it would.  The hammered finish will definitely make it into the standard scale offerings lineup now.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom636/IMG_0911.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom636/IMG_0920.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom636/IMG_0934.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom636/IMG_0879.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom636/IMG_0887.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 02, 2017, 10:58:00 PM
Oh NICE!
JR
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Post by: Monrogue on March 03, 2017, 01:08:50 AM
Man the possibilities are endless :ahhh

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on March 03, 2017, 03:27:46 PM
That hammered finish is beautiful!  Really looks great with the brass.  The knife is a piece of art...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 03, 2017, 06:34:14 PM
Im in the zone this week, lots of builds getting done.

Here's a Ti scientist with some extra scale holes. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom638/IMG_1007.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom638/IMG_1015.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom638/IMG_0992.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on March 03, 2017, 06:50:01 PM
You should must try 74mm ti-scales with slots for tweezers and a pen at some point.
I'd definitely jump this. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 03, 2017, 07:28:22 PM
You should must try 74mm ti-scales with slots for tweezers and a pen at some point.
I'd definitely jump this. :D

If I get caught up on 91mm work for sure.  But j still have to tackle 111mm first.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 03, 2017, 09:20:52 PM
Ohh nice! :drool:
JR
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Post by: s1xty7 on March 04, 2017, 12:50:38 AM
Why the extra holes? Was that a user specified feature or did they get a discount for using up a piece of Ti you were testing with?   :D

Looks nice, and I love a good Scientist. Just wondered.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 04, 2017, 01:50:28 AM
Why the extra holes? Was that a user specified feature or did they get a discount for using up a piece of Ti you were testing with?   :D

Looks nice, and I love a good Scientist. Just wondered.

User sent me a sketch to replicate.  They are MOA holes.  I know nothing about them other then they seem to be a decoration.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: The Lone Wanderer on March 05, 2017, 03:50:36 AM
I'd love a 91 with titanium scales. Someday......
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 06, 2017, 04:50:03 AM
You should must try 74mm ti-scales with slots for tweezers and a pen at some point.
I'd definitely jump this. :D

If I get caught up on 91mm work for sure.  But j still have to tackle 111mm first.

Wait, you do pen slots too?

What about toothpicks?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on March 06, 2017, 05:43:55 PM
I'm just waiting for the availability of a titanium scale with a toothpick slot to place my order...   Given the amazing things Bob has done with the Tormach so far it must be possible.

The finish of the scales will be a more difficult decision - have to decide between that amazing hammered finish and the tumbled finish.  Both are beautiful.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 07, 2017, 08:53:11 PM
I guess this would be a compact but with saw instead of scissors.  Or 91mm waiter plus saw.   :think:

Customer wanted a 1/4 hex hole instead of cross.  I cut it with a 1/16 end mill and it worked out just fine.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom642/IMG_9665.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom642/IMG_9670.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom642/IMG_9675.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom642/IMG_9679.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on March 07, 2017, 09:04:49 PM
Another hit out of the park Syph. You are the Master Modder  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 07, 2017, 09:15:16 PM
Nice! :tu:
JR
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Post by: Syph007 on March 08, 2017, 12:33:53 AM
Or I guess that would be 91mm lumberjack?  It's too hard to remember all the name variations.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on March 08, 2017, 03:11:30 AM
Either way I  :like: it and that hex hole is an awesome addition :dd: :like: :like:
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jaya_man on March 08, 2017, 06:11:57 AM
I guess this would be a compact but with saw instead of scissors.  Or 91mm waiter plus saw.   :think:

Customer wanted a 1/4 hex hole instead of cross.  I cut it with a 1/16 end mill and it worked out just fine.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom642/IMG_9665.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom642/IMG_9670.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom642/IMG_9675.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom642/IMG_9679.jpg)
More like a 91mm walker/lumberjack with cs and bit on steroids :cheers:


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 09, 2017, 09:13:15 PM
Some jobs just need a hammer.  :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=308294;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on March 09, 2017, 09:38:26 PM
Very cool to see the process :o :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 09, 2017, 10:23:17 PM
Very nice :tu:
JR
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Post by: Monrogue on March 10, 2017, 02:47:48 AM
Nice :tu:

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Post by: Syph007 on March 13, 2017, 08:45:02 PM
A pretty thick one today!  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom644/IMG_9724.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom644/IMG_9728.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom644/IMG_9730.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 13, 2017, 09:12:43 PM
Nice!
JR
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Post by: Don Pablo on March 13, 2017, 09:54:14 PM
Hyperbole!  :twak:  :twak:

Beauty.  :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tankerG on March 15, 2017, 01:09:42 AM
Here's the finished skeletonized set.  I put a slot along the tweezer area so you can see the tweezers through there.  It was a bit harder to accommodate the slot in the pattern, but I finally like how it looks.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_0780.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/IMG_0771.jpg)

Oh man, I want an SAK with Ti scales like that! :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tallowwaters on March 20, 2017, 01:38:53 AM
Syph, how do you compensate the difference in thickness when you put the cap lifter across from the phillips?  Washer?  Custom liner?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 20, 2017, 03:13:25 AM
Syph, how do you compensate the difference in thickness when you put the cap lifter across from the phillips?  Washer?  Custom liner?

Washer.  It's always important to make sure the total thickness is just slightly bigger then the spring thickness too so the spring moves easily.  All the back spring are slightly thinner athan the ends vs middle for this reason too.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tallowwaters on March 20, 2017, 12:25:23 PM
Syph, how do you compensate the difference in thickness when you put the cap lifter across from the phillips?  Washer?  Custom liner?

Washer.  It's always important to make sure the total thickness is just slightly bigger then the spring thickness too so the spring moves easily.  All the back spring are slightly thinner athan the ends vs middle for this reason too.

Great to know, and thanks!

One other question - did you have to modify the phillips to keep it from touching the opener on this model, or did you just let the phillips ride a little high to keep it off?
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/tallowwaters/12543103_1239636886065912_403349733_n_zpssq2ouszm.jpg) (http://s25.photobucket.com/user/tallowwaters/media/12543103_1239636886065912_403349733_n_zpssq2ouszm.jpg.html)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 20, 2017, 07:59:10 PM
Yeoman + wood saw.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom646/IMG_9790.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom646/IMG_9795.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom646/IMG_9771.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom646/IMG_9783.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom646/IMG_9779.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 20, 2017, 08:00:40 PM
Syph, how do you compensate the difference in thickness when you put the cap lifter across from the phillips?  Washer?  Custom liner?

Washer.  It's always important to make sure the total thickness is just slightly bigger then the spring thickness too so the spring moves easily.  All the back spring are slightly thinner athan the ends vs middle for this reason too.

Great to know, and thanks!

One other question - did you have to modify the phillips to keep it from touching the opener on this model, or did you just let the phillips ride a little high to keep it off?
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/tallowwaters/12543103_1239636886065912_403349733_n_zpssq2ouszm.jpg) (http://s25.photobucket.com/user/tallowwaters/media/12543103_1239636886065912_403349733_n_zpssq2ouszm.jpg.html)

The pivot of the phillips needs to be reshaped and that dictates how high it sits.  Its mostly trial and error to get it to sit just right.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 21, 2017, 12:02:58 AM
Nice :tu:
Jr
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jaya_man on March 21, 2017, 02:46:46 AM
That's an awesome Yeoman WS :like:


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 28, 2017, 10:05:28 PM
I actually built a SAK appropriate to this threads title today.  :D

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=310963;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=310965;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=310967;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 29, 2017, 02:24:49 AM
Nice :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 31, 2017, 04:23:34 PM
The customer sent me just a pic of a hand drawn sketch for the engraving he wanted.  It was actually pretty easy to turn it into a tool path for engraving.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom648/IMG_9935.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom648/IMG_9943.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom648/IMG_9948.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on March 31, 2017, 06:48:54 PM
Very elegant work Syph  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 31, 2017, 06:51:00 PM
Very nice :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 02, 2017, 06:12:26 PM
My latest idea for a scale finish.  Inner textured but leaving the edges plain.  Trying to see what looks good a polished metal or tumbled finish.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=311529;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on April 02, 2017, 06:23:37 PM
Another nice option  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jaya_man on April 03, 2017, 03:48:49 AM
That's nice... kinda reminds me of those 108mm scales :cheers:


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 03, 2017, 04:01:49 AM
Interesting
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Simyo on April 03, 2017, 06:08:10 AM
That's nice... kinda reminds me of those 108mm scales :cheers:


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I carried my 108mm solo today and that was my first thought
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on April 03, 2017, 03:31:49 PM
I like the polished and tumbled finish TBH :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on April 05, 2017, 03:55:26 PM
From post one to your latest post you continue to be an incredibly generous member.  Most at this point would simply show off their work rather than answers questions. 

Syph I salute you for your generosity and wonderful work displayed here  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on April 05, 2017, 04:52:26 PM
From post one to your latest post you continue to be an incredibly generous member.  Most at this point would simply show off their work rather than answers questions. 

Syph I salute you for your generosity and wonderful work displayed here  :salute:
+1 to that  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jaya_man on April 05, 2017, 04:56:56 PM
From post one to your latest post you continue to be an incredibly generous member.  Most at this point would simply show off their work rather than answers questions. 

Syph I salute you for your generosity and wonderful work displayed here  :salute:
+1 to that  :salute:
+2 :hatsoff:


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Post by: Poncho65 on April 05, 2017, 05:13:43 PM
From post one to your latest post you continue to be an incredibly generous member.  Most at this point would simply show off their work rather than answers questions. 

Syph I salute you for your generosity and wonderful work displayed here  :salute:
+1 to that  :salute:
+2 :hatsoff:


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+3 :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: s1xty7 on April 05, 2017, 09:20:03 PM
From post one to your latest post you continue to be an incredibly generous member.  Most at this point would simply show off their work rather than answers questions. 

Syph I salute you for your generosity and wonderful work displayed here  :salute:
+1 to that  :salute:
+2 :hatsoff:


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+3 :like:

n + 1  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 05, 2017, 09:22:53 PM
:D :D  :salute:

Here was todays work.  The skeletonized scales end up weighing almost exactly the same as plastic... but will outlast the human race since not much reacts with Ti.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom649/IMG_0085.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom649/IMG_0095.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom649/IMG_0067.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 05, 2017, 09:52:10 PM
Nice, yet all I see is pocket lint..
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on April 05, 2017, 11:57:55 PM
:D :D  :salute:

Here was todays work.  The skeletonized scales end up weighing almost exactly the same as plastic... but will outlast the human race since not much reacts with Ti.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom649/IMG_0085.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom649/IMG_0095.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom649/IMG_0067.jpg)

I don't see pocket lint :D but I do have an idea with the skeletonized scales :think: Be cool to have a spot on there by the main blade to have a wire stripper hole perhaps  :think:
Title: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jaya_man on April 06, 2017, 07:45:46 AM
:D :D  :salute:

Here was todays work.  The skeletonized scales end up weighing almost exactly the same as plastic... but will outlast the human race since not much reacts with Ti.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom649/IMG_0085.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom649/IMG_0095.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom600Plus/Custom649/IMG_0067.jpg)

I don't see pocket lint :D but I do have an idea with the skeletonized scales :think: Be cool to have a spot on there by the main blade to have a wire stripper hole perhaps  :think:
Don't have a wire close by... just used the toothpick as ilustration... notch on combo tool could be used together with the blade to strip wire :cheers:(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170406/f758dbf2b2a6ef87e0e5900cb18cd6da.jpg)


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on April 06, 2017, 12:05:45 PM
You're right jaya :tu: That is a good idea when the 2 of them are side by side like that :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on April 06, 2017, 05:39:29 PM
EDC'ers react in the presence of Ti, but thats different right?
Looks  :drool: worthy as usual.  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on April 07, 2017, 10:24:17 AM
EDC'ers react in the presence of Ti, but thats different right?
Looks  :drool: worthy as usual.  :cheers:
:rofl: Yes! It sends our hearts all a flutter  :dd:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 12, 2017, 05:37:52 PM
Here is the closest to a swiss champ ive done so far.  Just missing the all important fish scaler.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom650/IMG_0182.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom650/IMG_0186.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom650/IMG_0119.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom650/IMG_0145.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom650/IMG_0220.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 12, 2017, 05:46:31 PM
And a new Challenge project to have a brass inlaid fish bone emblem based on a picture of a cuff link provided by the customer.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/IMAG0641.jpg)

I machined half way through the scale to make the pockets. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/1.jpg)

And then cut some brass pieces to fit.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/2.jpg)

And then eased them on in and sanded flush.  It's going into the tumbler next.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/3.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/4.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on April 12, 2017, 05:52:34 PM
And a new Challenge project to have a brass inlaid fish bone emblem based on a picture provided by the customer.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/IMAG0641.jpg)

I machined half way through the scale to make the pockets. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/1.jpg)

And then cut some brass pieces to fit.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/2.jpg)

And then eased them on in and sanded flush.  It's going into the tumbler next.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/3.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/4.jpg)

Now that's impressive.  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on April 12, 2017, 05:54:24 PM
That almost Swisschamp is awesome Syph :dd: :like: and that inlay is awesome stuff buddy :o :tu: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 12, 2017, 06:42:15 PM
Oh sick! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on April 12, 2017, 10:37:22 PM
Here is the closest to a swiss champ ive done so far.  Just missing the all important fish scaler.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom650/IMG_0182.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom650/IMG_0186.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom650/IMG_0119.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom650/IMG_0145.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom650/IMG_0220.jpg)

You are an EVIL man.   :drool:

I have to go lay down now.   

Is there a doctor in the house? 

Nurse...........
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fast Bill on April 12, 2017, 11:04:49 PM
And a new Challenge project to have a brass inlaid fish bone emblem based on a picture provided by the customer.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/IMAG0641.jpg)

I machined half way through the scale to make the pockets. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/1.jpg)

And then cut some brass pieces to fit.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/2.jpg)

And then eased them on in and sanded flush.  It's going into the tumbler next.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/3.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/4.jpg)

Now that's impressive.  :salute:

No doubt about it +1 to this  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on April 13, 2017, 01:57:36 PM
Staggering work Syph  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on April 13, 2017, 03:53:40 PM
Ok I'm back.  The inlay is......  gotta lay down again.   

A... Maze..... Ing......



Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on April 13, 2017, 03:58:43 PM
Ok I'm back.  The inlay is......  gotta lay down again.   

A... Maze..... Ing......
You OK hun?  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jaya_man on April 13, 2017, 04:04:25 PM
And a new Challenge project to have a brass inlaid fish bone emblem based on a picture provided by the customer.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/IMAG0641.jpg)

I machined half way through the scale to make the pockets. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/1.jpg)

And then cut some brass pieces to fit.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/2.jpg)

And then eased them on in and sanded flush.  It's going into the tumbler next.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/3.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Customs/Fish/4.jpg)

Now that's impressive.  :salute:

No doubt about it +1 to this  :salute:
+2 :like:


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on April 13, 2017, 04:23:52 PM
The inlays look great!  :cheers:

Also, you should do a xlt, just to show it is possible...  ::)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toolslinger on April 13, 2017, 07:56:46 PM
The inlays look great!  :cheers:

Also, you should do a xlt, just to show it is possible...  ::)

I would gladly provide my XLT to prove that it's possible (just as long as it came back with sweet Syph007 titanium scales on it...).  :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on April 14, 2017, 04:24:57 AM
Excellent work as always :tu:

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Post by: Syph007 on April 22, 2017, 07:29:02 PM
Scissors, pliers and nothing else.  Custom shaped Ti liner to allow for keyring attachment. 

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom653/IMG_0317.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom653/IMG_0309.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom653/IMG_0302.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom653/IMG_0306.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 22, 2017, 07:42:17 PM
Nice :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 22, 2017, 07:49:19 PM
And here is the final result for the fisherman project.  Very happy with how it turned out!

I have been hording some new old stock main blades before they started making them thinner, and I thought this model deserved a full old blade with the crossbow symbol on it, so I used one :D

:D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0459.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0450.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0441.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0435.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MusicMen on April 22, 2017, 07:53:09 PM
And here is the final result for the fisherman project.  Very happy with how it turned out!

I have been hording some new old stock main blades before they started making them thinner, and I thought this model deserved a full old blade with the crossbow symbol on it, so I used one :D

:D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0459.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0450.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0441.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0435.jpg)

Amazing work!   :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on April 22, 2017, 11:38:39 PM
And here is the final result for the fisherman project.  Very happy with how it turned out!
I have been hording some new old stock main blades before they started making them thinner, and I thought this model deserved a full old blade with the crossbow symbol on it, so I used one
I hope your customer gives you a big fat bonus for this one - You deserve it  :tu:
Amazing work  :o

And I gotta say - cufflinks with matching SAK is pretty cool  8)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on April 23, 2017, 12:37:21 AM
And here is the final result for the fisherman project.  Very happy with how it turned out!

I have been hording some new old stock main blades before they started making them thinner, and I thought this model deserved a full old blade with the crossbow symbol on it, so I used one :D

:D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0459.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0450.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0441.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0435.jpg)

Funny, I made a similar one last week but was out of flat liners so had to go with the thinner blade.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2832/33986686816_fd5694718d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TMhDUU)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 23, 2017, 12:42:26 AM
And here is the final result for the fisherman project.  Very happy with how it turned out!

I have been hording some new old stock main blades before they started making them thinner, and I thought this model deserved a full old blade with the crossbow symbol on it, so I used one :D

:D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0459.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0450.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0441.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0435.jpg)

Funny, I made a similar one last week but was out of flat liners so had to go with the thinner blade.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2832/33986686816_fd5694718d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TMhDUU)

Ya I tried hammering one of those flat once and that doesn't work.  Best option is to take a front liner and cutout the corkscrew part.  That should work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fast Bill on April 23, 2017, 08:12:29 AM
And here is the final result for the fisherman project.  Very happy with how it turned out!

I have been hording some new old stock main blades before they started making them thinner, and I thought this model deserved a full old blade with the crossbow symbol on it, so I used one :D

:D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0459.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0450.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0441.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0435.jpg)

Very, very impressive. And on the bright side one less  (much maligned) fish scaler to clutter up the workshop.  :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on April 23, 2017, 02:51:45 PM
And here is the final result for the fisherman project.  Very happy with how it turned out!

I have been hording some new old stock main blades before they started making them thinner, and I thought this model deserved a full old blade with the crossbow symbol on it, so I used one :D

:D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0459.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0450.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0441.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom655/IMG_0435.jpg)

I'd warm up to the fish scaler if my fisherman looked like that.  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 25, 2017, 12:30:59 AM
Had a champ of a day today.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom656/IMG_0470.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom656/IMG_0485.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom656/IMG_0496.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom656/IMG_0538.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on April 25, 2017, 07:25:24 AM
No fishscaler I guess  ???  as it was used up in the cufffishsak mod above!!  :pok:  ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on April 25, 2017, 09:12:36 AM
Its always amazing to see the back of the polished springs acting as a mirror.  :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on April 25, 2017, 09:55:54 AM
No fishscaler I guess  ???  as it was used up in the cufffishsak mod above!!  :pok:  ;)

Word of the day: cuffishsak.   :like:   :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fast Bill on April 25, 2017, 10:19:27 PM
No fishscaler I guess  ???  as it was used up in the cufffishsak mod above!!  :pok:  ;)

Word of the day: cuffishsak.   :like:   :like:
:rofl:  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 26, 2017, 10:32:57 PM
I know the electrician blade can be used in place of small blade on a 91mm, but Ive never actually tried the pruner blade.  Someone asked if it could be done so I had to try.  Turns out it fits fine.  I do make the liner spacer 0.010" thinner in cases like this so everything lines up nice, but other than that no issues at all.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom657/IMG_0559.jpg)

Tinker Pruner ?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on April 26, 2017, 10:53:22 PM
Both are some seriously sweet knives  :o :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on April 27, 2017, 08:51:46 AM
I know the electrician blade can be used in place of small blade on a 91mm, but Ive never actually tried the pruner blade.  Someone asked if it could be done so I had to try.  Turns out it fits fine.  I do make the liner spacer 0.010" thinner in cases like this so everything lines up nice, but other than that no issues at all.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom657/IMG_0559.jpg)

Tinker Pruner ?

Great to see, I'm amongst the people who asked and that looks awesome!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on April 27, 2017, 01:48:18 PM
No fishscaler I guess  ???  as it was used up in the cufffishsak mod above!!  :pok:  ;)
Word of the day: cuffishsak.   :like:   :like:

Yeah I liked it  too :tu:
- Although you misspelt the best bit ....... the treble 'fff'  :twak: 
- Not even the Welsh can do that   :D  :o
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on April 27, 2017, 01:54:13 PM
No fishscaler I guess  ???  as it was used up in the cufffishsak mod above!!  :pok:  ;)
Word of the day: cuffishsak.   :like:   :like:

Yeah I liked it  too :tu:
- Although you misspelt the best bit ....... the treble 'fff'  :twak: 
- Not even the Welsh can do that   :D  :o

My bad, the details are hard to see on a phone.   :facepalm:   :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 07, 2017, 11:11:38 PM
Just a run of the mill explorer.. oh with polished Ti liners, polished Ti mag glass holder and blue anodized textured old cross Ti scales.   :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0691.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0682.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0698.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0709.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0721.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0727.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on May 07, 2017, 11:20:38 PM
Textured 91mm metal scales are my favourite.  :drool: :drool: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 07, 2017, 11:32:54 PM
I made a batch of Brass 91s as well to try to make the pile of spartans I have here a bit more interesting.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BrassSpartan/IMG_0623.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BrassSpartan/IMG_0638.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BrassSpartan/IMG_0593.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BrassSpartan/IMG_0597.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Display%20models/BrassSpartan/IMG_0602.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Psych on May 08, 2017, 12:32:55 AM
Just a run of the mill explorer.. oh with polished Ti liners, polished Ti mag glass holder and blue anodized textured old cross Ti scales.   :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0691.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0682.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0698.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0709.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0721.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0727.jpg)

Don't forget the nail file in place of the small blade. Absolutely beautiful work! Someone is going to be a very happy owner of that beauty.


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on May 08, 2017, 03:43:42 AM
More beautiful work Syph :dd: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on May 08, 2017, 04:05:31 AM
Ti mag glass holder :drool:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fast Bill on May 09, 2017, 10:21:06 PM
Those brass scales are really rather nice. Hmmmm  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on May 11, 2017, 12:27:23 AM
Looking back on this thread in a larger than phone screen,  those last 2 are really really nice knives :o :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 11, 2017, 12:46:21 AM
Textured front and smooth back on this with engraving on both.  I like it when people ask for something non standard as its something different to build.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom660/IMG_0830.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom660/IMG_0835.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom660/IMG_0800.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom660/IMG_0811.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Psych on May 11, 2017, 03:45:50 AM
Looking back on this thread in a larger than phone screen,  those last 2 are really really nice knives :o :like: :like:

Good idea to look at it on a better screen... one of those is going to me. I'm even more excited than I already was.


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on May 11, 2017, 04:31:03 AM
Looking back on this thread in a larger than phone screen,  those last 2 are really really nice knives :o :like: :like:

Good idea to look at it on a better screen... one of those is going to me. I'm even more excited than I already was.


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Going from a 5 inch phone screen to a 32 inch screen sure makes a difference :o :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 13, 2017, 07:17:30 PM
It feels expensive to me to buy an electrician just to get the eblade for a 91mm mod, but the customer is always right.  :D  It is a great blade though.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom661/IMG_0903.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom661/IMG_0891.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Troels on May 13, 2017, 08:03:14 PM
It feels expensive to me to buy an electrician just to get the eblade for a 91mm mod, but the customer is always right.  :D  It is a great blade though.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom661/IMG_0903.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom661/IMG_0891.jpg)

AWESOME work you are doing  :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on May 13, 2017, 11:01:49 PM
It feels expensive to me to buy an electrician just to get the eblade for a 91mm mod, but the customer is always right.  :D  It is a great blade though.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom661/IMG_0903.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom661/IMG_0891.jpg)

AWESOME work you are doing  :like: :like:

+1 :dd: That is an awesome configuration :tu: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on May 14, 2017, 01:59:09 AM
It feels expensive to me to buy an Electrician just to get the eblade for a 91mm mod, but the customer is always right.  :D 
It is a great blade though.

Well I always preferred the nailfile opposite the main blade.
But this would also be a great option and much better than a second drop point blade - IMHO
- Even a plain sheepsfoot would be better!!
Please consider this Vic  ;)  :tu:

Syph (and/or his customers - ie your customers) are coming up with options better than the 'standards'
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 14, 2017, 09:22:45 PM
Full backscale Tiox yeoman.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom662/IMG_0927.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom662/IMG_0930.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom662/IMG_0965.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom662/IMG_0980.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom662/IMG_0944.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MusicMen on May 14, 2017, 09:54:27 PM
Full backscale Tiox yeoman.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom662/IMG_0927.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom662/IMG_0930.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom662/IMG_0965.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom662/IMG_0980.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom662/IMG_0944.jpg)
Sweet!   :tu:   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on May 14, 2017, 10:04:34 PM
Tiox.  :dd:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 15, 2017, 01:53:50 AM
Nice love the blue!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: rivercity on May 15, 2017, 10:18:22 AM
Beautiful work!  :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sbleekerii on May 19, 2017, 03:42:14 PM
Just a run of the mill explorer.. oh with polished Ti liners, polished Ti mag glass holder and blue anodized textured old cross Ti scales.   :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0691.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0682.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0698.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0709.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0721.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0727.jpg)
How do you get the nail cleaning tool to sit high enough to access the nail nick? I want to try making a climber with the nail tool but supposedly it won't work with standard springs.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on May 19, 2017, 03:43:23 PM
Just a run of the mill explorer.. oh with polished Ti liners, polished Ti mag glass holder and blue anodized textured old cross Ti scales.   :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0691.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0682.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0698.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0709.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0721.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0727.jpg)
How do you get the nail cleaning tool to sit high enough to access the nail nick? I want to try making a climber with the nail tool but supposedly it won't work with standard springs.
If I recall correctly, the answer is "by altering the backspring"
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sbleekerii on May 19, 2017, 04:48:49 PM
Just a run of the mill explorer.. oh with polished Ti liners, polished Ti mag glass holder and blue anodized textured old cross Ti scales.   :whistle:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0691.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0682.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0698.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0709.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0721.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom658/IMG_0727.jpg)
How do you get the nail cleaning tool to sit high enough to access the nail nick? I want to try making a climber with the nail tool but supposedly it won't work with standard springs.
If I recall correctly, the answer is "by altering the backspring"
Any chance the "alterations" can be performed without special tools?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on May 19, 2017, 04:50:54 PM
Actually I think Syph (I may be wrong about this) makes his own backsprings for this  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 19, 2017, 05:23:15 PM
Actually I think Syph (I may be wrong about this) makes his own backsprings for this  :think:

Nope it's the stock blade spring but it needs extra bends in 2 places.  Rubber mallet and vice with Al jaw inserts is what I use.

About 3/4 inch from end viewsed from top bend down about 15 degrees.  That gives the angle when closed the right amount.  This reduces the snap force though so you have to bend in the other direction about the middle of the spring.  Oh it also has to be shortened a few mm od the na file won't open all the way and will sit at a weird angle.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on May 19, 2017, 05:30:59 PM
Yay, I was right! :woohoo:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: sbleekerii on May 19, 2017, 10:05:21 PM
Actually I think Syph (I may be wrong about this) makes his own backsprings for this  :think:

Nope it's the stock blade spring but it needs extra bends in 2 places.  Rubber mallet and vice with Al jaw inserts is what I use.

About 3/4 inch from end viewsed from top bend down about 15 degrees.  That gives the angle when closed the right amount.  This reduces the snap force though so you have to bend in the other direction about the middle of the spring.  Oh it also has to be shortened a few mm od the na file won't open all the way and will sit at a weird angle.
If I'm interpreting this correctly the edits you mentioned look roughly like this
(http://i.imgur.com/mCMPKW8.jpg)
With the end result looking something like this?
(http://i.imgur.com/RNZVygM.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on May 19, 2017, 10:07:53 PM
Yay, I was right! :woohoo:

Glad someone was paying attention :whistle: :D :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 19, 2017, 11:21:17 PM
Yep but not that extreme.  Trial and error first to get the file nail kick to clear.  Then bend enough to give both tools the right snap.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 29, 2017, 11:49:32 PM
I've been busy working away and realized I hadnt posted the last bunch.   I wont spam with too many pics, so just a couple of pics from each of them.  People are starting to request some bare Ti with brass/copper crosses and I really like the look of those.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom663/IMG_1091.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom663/IMG_1082.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom664/IMG_1245.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom664/IMG_1254.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom665/IMG_1146.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom665/IMG_1196.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom667/IMG_1208.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom667/IMG_1214.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom668/IMG_1304.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom668/IMG_1291.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom669/IMG_1349.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom669/IMG_1354.jpg)

 :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on May 29, 2017, 11:53:52 PM
 :like:   :like:   :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on May 30, 2017, 12:26:18 AM
Beauties  :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on May 30, 2017, 03:44:17 AM
Oh sweet!!
JR
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Post by: ThatBlokeTimbo on May 30, 2017, 09:27:01 PM
So many Beautiful Mods in this thread! I'm always amazed how far you've come from the early pages of this thread.

I have a question, way back in November you teased that you were prototyping 'snap on' 91mm scales.
Did you ever go any further down the road with that?

I think that a set of simple (I'd prefer stonewashed) TI scales would look awesome on something like a standard huntsman or climber. Have you considered perhaps just selling scales that buyers could self apply, I can see this as a nice way to find a balance between owning a standard SAK and the works of art you are currently making for those of us on a budget.

T.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 01, 2017, 10:46:41 PM
So many Beautiful Mods in this thread! I'm always amazed how far you've come from the early pages of this thread.

I have a question, way back in November you teased that you were prototyping 'snap on' 91mm scales.
Did you ever go any further down the road with that?


I think that a set of simple (I'd prefer stonewashed) TI scales would look awesome on something like a standard huntsman or climber. Have you considered perhaps just selling scales that buyers could self apply, I can see this as a nice way to find a balance between owning a standard SAK and the works of art you are currently making for those of us on a budget.

T.

Yup I made a set.  Completely hated them.  The SAK felt so bulky with the outer liners left on and with the same construction, it didnt get any of the frame stiffening benefit of the conversions to Ti frame at all. 

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 01, 2017, 10:47:05 PM
Today's work...  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom670/IMG_1443.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom670/IMG_1451.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom670/IMG_1458.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on June 01, 2017, 11:27:07 PM
All your photos are down!  :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 01, 2017, 11:47:37 PM
All your photos are down!  :ahhh

I spend 3 bucks a month for photobucket and I guess that doesn't get me 100% up time.  Oh well it looks like it's working again.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ThatBlokeTimbo on June 02, 2017, 12:44:34 AM

Yup I made a set.  Completely hated them.  The SAK felt so bulky with the outer liners left on and with the same construction, it didnt get any of the frame stiffening benefit of the conversions to Ti frame at all.

That's a shame, thanks for answering though.
Looks like I'm going to have to start saving for a proper Syph Mod then ;)

T.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on June 02, 2017, 06:40:10 AM
For some reason, the pics still do not show up on Tapatalk :-(




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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 04, 2017, 09:43:19 PM
I built an alox mod!

Pioneer pruner.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom671/IMG_1488.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom671/IMG_1480.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom671/IMG_1495.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on June 05, 2017, 12:17:18 AM
So are you back to building 93mm stuff?


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 05, 2017, 12:26:20 AM
So are you back to building 93mm stuff?


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Nope just using up the last bits.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on June 05, 2017, 12:27:03 AM
What all bits do you have?


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 05, 2017, 12:31:13 AM
What all bits do you have?


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Very little.  A few Marlin spike scale sets and parts for those.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on June 05, 2017, 01:03:18 AM
What all bits do you have?


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Very little.  A few Marlin spike scale sets and parts for those.


Alox or Ti?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 05, 2017, 02:19:43 AM
What all bits do you have?


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Very little.  A few Marlin spike scale sets and parts for those.


Alox or Ti?

Ive got one set of black alox marlin scales and the bits to build some version of a marlin spike.  Ti scales are easy enough to make its the alox parts that were the pain to get.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on June 05, 2017, 02:28:45 AM
What all bits do you have?


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Very little.  A few Marlin spike scale sets and parts for those.


Alox or Ti?

Ive got one set of black alox marlin scales and the bits to build some version of a marlin spike.  Ti scales are easy enough to make its the alox parts that were the pain to get.

Is this what you're talking about?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170605/3c47f4a57b34d853f3f4b973bd519997.png)


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 05, 2017, 03:07:36 AM
What all bits do you have?


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Very little.  A few Marlin spike scale sets and parts for those.


Alox or Ti?

Ive got one set of black alox marlin scales and the bits to build some version of a marlin spike.  Ti scales are easy enough to make its the alox parts that were the pain to get.

Is this what you're talking about?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170605/3c47f4a57b34d853f3f4b973bd519997.png)


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Yup that one is Textured Ti.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on June 05, 2017, 03:44:18 AM
What all bits do you have?


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Very little.  A few Marlin spike scale sets and parts for those.


Alox or Ti?

Ive got one set of black alox marlin scales and the bits to build some version of a marlin spike.  Ti scales are easy enough to make its the alox parts that were the pain to get.

Is this what you're talking about?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170605/3c47f4a57b34d853f3f4b973bd519997.png)


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Yup that one is Textured Ti.

How much for that setup with the black scales?




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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on June 05, 2017, 04:17:10 AM
More great stuff Syph :dd: :like: Always enjoy seeing what you have came up with :cheers: :cheers: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: El Corkscrew on June 05, 2017, 05:17:35 AM
This thread is nuts.


Did anyone do a corkscrew mod???
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: El Corkscrew on June 05, 2017, 05:19:32 AM
Its not too many times I get to show a new configuration... but here it one.  First time ever, have I done this one.  Both phillips and corkscrew on the back of a SAK with only one scale cutout. ( I did this once ages ago with 2 scale cutouts).


As you can see there was just barely enough space and the phillips needed to take the space under the saw layer too, so I had to put a little stub piece in there to tension the saw spring.

Nevermind. :like:  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 06, 2017, 04:13:52 PM
I love it when people want spartans...  I have so many to use up I will never run out.  If only more north americans needed to uncork wine.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom673/IMG_1612.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom673/IMG_1614.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom673/IMG_1604.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 06, 2017, 04:14:58 PM
What all bits do you have?


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Very little.  A few Marlin spike scale sets and parts for those.


Alox or Ti?

Ive got one set of black alox marlin scales and the bits to build some version of a marlin spike.  Ti scales are easy enough to make its the alox parts that were the pain to get.

Is this what you're talking about?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170605/3c47f4a57b34d853f3f4b973bd519997.png)


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Yup that one is Textured Ti.

How much for that setup with the black scales?




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I dont have any scissors layers for a build like that.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on June 07, 2017, 02:08:32 AM
This thread is nuts.


Did anyone do a corkscrew mod???

I have done one. It's a pain


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zisma on June 07, 2017, 05:18:35 AM
What all bits do you have?


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Very little.  A few Marlin spike scale sets and parts for those.

Hi, I've just sent you an email regarding these scales and parts, would you please have a look when you have a time. Thanks.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: El Corkscrew on June 07, 2017, 06:49:33 AM
This thread is nuts.


Did anyone do a corkscrew mod???

I have done one. It's a pain


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With 93mm blade? Or is that impossible?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on June 07, 2017, 12:45:24 PM
This thread is nuts.


Did anyone do a corkscrew mod???

I have done one. It's a pain


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With 93mm blade? Or is that impossible?
Yes with 93mm blade. Not impossible but a pain.




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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tattoosteve99 on June 07, 2017, 12:51:30 PM
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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 07, 2017, 03:08:42 PM
What all bits do you have?


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Very little.  A few Marlin spike scale sets and parts for those.

Hi, I've just sent you an email regarding these scales and parts, would you please have a look when you have a time. Thanks.

Ok will do.  Sorry I get behind on emails sometimes but I do go through them all.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: El Corkscrew on June 07, 2017, 06:01:48 PM
This thread is nuts.


Did anyone do a corkscrew mod???

I have done one. It's a pain


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With 93mm blade? Or is that impossible?
Yes with 93mm blade. Not impossible but a pain.


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:like: :like: :like: :like: :like: :like: :like: :like: :like:
Thank you for your sacrifice!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zisma on June 08, 2017, 04:18:36 AM
Hi, I've just sent you an email regarding these scales and parts, would you please have a look when you have a time. Thanks.
Ok will do.  Sorry I get behind on emails sometimes but I do go through them all.

Thanks. I desperately need your help to finalize this project.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on June 08, 2017, 05:15:33 AM
Good luck with the peening :tu: Looks like a great mod :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zisma on June 08, 2017, 05:25:02 AM
Good luck with the peening :tu: Looks like a great mod :like: :like:

Thanks. Peening is not a problem, I've done it before. Just don't want to do that this time. Knife is heavy and fully loaded, definitely need to be able to take it apart for future maintenance and upgrades. And plus I want one more layer on it with marlin spike and second blade, and Ti scales... Looks like I am creating a monster here. :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on June 08, 2017, 04:39:25 PM
It probably would't be easy to pin an alox knife so it would look good? In plastic scale models tis is not much of a problem as the scales cover any minor mistakes?  :ahhh


If I didn't think it would be really hard to do, I would already try my hand at creating the farmer X, as I currently don't have the money to get one of the stunning mods on display in this thread. Maybe with brass scales...  :like:

As it is, I'll just wait till my financial situation improves to the point I can actually afford one.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 09, 2017, 08:04:32 PM
It's always fun to build something different.  This is one of the prettiest builds yet I think.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1649.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1659.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1692.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1694.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1726.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 09, 2017, 08:07:51 PM
Another beauty!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: El Corkscrew on June 09, 2017, 08:29:12 PM
Another beauty!
JR

+1  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on June 09, 2017, 09:56:57 PM
 :o :like: :like:

:dd: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 10, 2017, 03:57:27 AM
Another beauty!
JR

+1  :cheers:
+2

Proud SAKMC member :)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Psych on June 10, 2017, 07:51:42 PM
It's always fun to build something different.  This is one of the prettiest builds yet I think.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1649.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1659.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1692.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1694.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1726.jpg)
Looks beautiful. What size is this? What do the backsprings look like? I noticed that there is no corkscrew or Philips on the back, so I'm curious as to what's going on back there. I was just thinking of a similar design as the brass scale for the next one I planned on having you build this morning.


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 11, 2017, 01:20:42 AM
It's always fun to build something different.  This is one of the prettiest builds yet I think.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1649.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1659.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1692.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1694.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1726.jpg)
Looks beautiful. What size is this? What do the backsprings look like? I noticed that there is no corkscrew or Philips on the back, so I'm curious as to what's going on back there. I was just thinking of a similar design as the brass scale for the next one I planned on having you build this morning.


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That is a 93mm pioneer frame they dont have backside tools.  I did this one completely my old way, my own backspring for scissors and proper nail nick scissors.  Its alot more cost for parts and labor to build on this frame which is why I dont work on them much anymore.

Here is the backside.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1677.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on June 11, 2017, 04:04:39 AM
It's always fun to build something different.  This is one of the prettiest builds yet I think.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1649.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1659.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1692.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1694.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1726.jpg)
Looks beautiful. What size is this? What do the backsprings look like? I noticed that there is no corkscrew or Philips on the back, so I'm curious as to what's going on back there. I was just thinking of a similar design as the brass scale for the next one I planned on having you build this morning.


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That is a 93mm pioneer frame they dont have backside tools.  I did this one completely my old way, my own backspring for scissors and proper nail nick scissors.  Its alot more cost for parts and labor to build on this frame which is why I dont work on them much anymore.

Here is the backside.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1677.jpg)


So is it possible to have made basically a Pioneer X with an added nail file?

What kind of cost are we talking?  Can it be done with me providing some or all of the tools?




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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 11, 2017, 10:06:45 PM
It's always fun to build something different.  This is one of the prettiest builds yet I think.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1649.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1659.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1692.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1694.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1726.jpg)
Looks beautiful. What size is this? What do the backsprings look like? I noticed that there is no corkscrew or Philips on the back, so I'm curious as to what's going on back there. I was just thinking of a similar design as the brass scale for the next one I planned on having you build this morning.


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That is a 93mm pioneer frame they dont have backside tools.  I did this one completely my old way, my own backspring for scissors and proper nail nick scissors.  Its alot more cost for parts and labor to build on this frame which is why I dont work on them much anymore.

Here is the backside.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom674/IMG_1677.jpg)


So is it possible to have made basically a Pioneer X with an added nail file?

What kind of cost are we talking?  Can it be done with me providing some or all of the tools?




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No nail file doesnt work with the 93mm backsprings.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 12, 2017, 11:23:56 PM
Im liking the requests for naked Ti with copper cross.  It looks like its just a surface thing but the copper goes half way through the scale.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom676/IMG_1796.jpg)

Marlin spike pioneer with dual saws and Ti liners.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom676/IMG_1871.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom676/IMG_1884.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom676/IMG_1816.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom676/IMG_1887.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 12, 2017, 11:28:00 PM
Beautiful!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 13, 2017, 03:57:29 AM
Beautiful!
JR
Ditto :tu:

Proud SAKMC member :)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on June 13, 2017, 04:25:17 AM
Aw man that one is totally awesome Syph :o :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 15, 2017, 11:34:42 PM
The combination of a tinker and compact ( I call it a compact tinker ) is still by far the most popular request.  This one is off to a new home in Japan.   :tu:

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom677/IMG_1898.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom677/IMG_1907.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom677/IMG_1910.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom677/IMG_1913.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 16, 2017, 12:16:13 AM
That's nice, pretty much perfect! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on June 16, 2017, 02:32:57 PM
@Syph700: If you don't mind me asking, considering how often you post new mods, is this your main job? If this is just a side gig, you must be one busy human!  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 16, 2017, 04:17:59 PM
@Syph700: If you don't mind me asking, considering how often you post new mods, is this your main job? If this is just a side gig, you must be one busy human!  :cheers:

This has been my main full time job for the last 2 years now.  Paying taxes and being legit and the whole works.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on June 16, 2017, 04:25:16 PM
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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on June 17, 2017, 04:30:51 PM
@Syph700: If you don't mind me asking, considering how often you post new mods, is this your main job? If this is just a side gig, you must be one busy human!  :cheers:

This has been my main full time job for the last 2 years now.  Paying taxes and being legit and the whole works.

 :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on June 19, 2017, 03:12:59 AM
That's nice, pretty much perfect! :tu:
JR

+1 That is a very tool dense minimal tool there :dd: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 19, 2017, 11:29:28 PM
Ive been thinking about trying this for ages and well I finally am.  Machining solid body tweezers from 0.125 Ti stock.  Thats the exact thickness of the standard tweezers so by cutting out the profile from the side, I should end up with something that fits just right.

All of this is somewhat micro machining though since it's all going to be done with 1/16 and 1/32 end mills.  1/32 is tiny!

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=322698;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 19, 2017, 11:49:11 PM
Oh sweet!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on June 20, 2017, 12:57:41 AM
Hmmm -

Can the Tormach really machine that finely? I know if Syph is planning to do this - then he will have checked it out and it can!  :)  - Incredible   :o
I guess the drill/machine head goes around the outside (and inside) of each of the tweezers and leaves the full block (frame) intact and fully bolted down at the corners

These will look amazing - Can't wait to see them 

- But it does seem like a big waste of Ti to me   :(
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 20, 2017, 01:06:27 AM
Hmmm -

Can the Tormach really machine that finely? I know if Syph is planning to do this - then he will have checked it out and it can!  :)  - Incredible   :o
I guess the drill/machine head goes around the outside (and inside) of each of the tweezers and leaves the full block (frame) intact and fully bolted down at the corners

These will look amazing - Can't wait to see them 

- But it does seem like a big waste of Ti to me   :(

That's a 2 inch by 4 inch piece of Ti.  About 15 dollars of Ti to make 14 tweezers.   The real cost is in broken endmills and I won't know that until I try.

The tormach has the resolution no problem.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on June 20, 2017, 01:16:03 AM
Hey Syph - Thanks for coming back to us  :tu:

So I guess quite a lot of waste - But not a lot of cost and still only $1 a tweezer - That seems worth it!!  :tu:
And I guess quite a lot of milling time too.
Hope you don't get too many broken bits !!

I guess if you worked in a foundry all the left overs would go back in the furnace.

I worked in a precision castings foundry once - where we used the inverted lost wax method to make the castings - All the leftover frames/trees just went back in the furnace, for the next run ! 

Sorry to harp on - Recycling and waste is one of my obsessions  :-[
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on June 20, 2017, 02:48:31 AM
Do you think it is more viable, considering the surface finish and not having to do so much finishing on such tiny parts, to just mill it rather than waterjet cutting? Because of the sizes of mills you will have to use the first thing tht came to mind was the waterjet. But the finishing afterwards on such tiny parts, as I previously stated, made me think it would not be worth it. What are your thoughts?

BTW congrats, I'm glad that you're doing this for a living, I imagine it is really fun.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 20, 2017, 03:32:25 AM
Do you think it is more viable, considering the surface finish and not having to do so much finishing on such tiny parts, to just mill it rather than waterjet cutting? Because of the sizes of mills you will have to use the first thing tht came to mind was the waterjet. But the finishing afterwards on such tiny parts, as I previously stated, made me think it would not be worth it. What are your thoughts?

BTW congrats, I'm glad that you're doing this for a living, I imagine it is really fun.

Waterjet finish is pretty rough ya and it also doesnt make perfectly perpendicular to the surface cuts.  Not ideal for very thin components.  Also I can work on a cutting strategy to keep supports in place on the outside while I cut the inside and tips, then cut the outsides last and leave little tabs.  Only the very inside part will need the 1/32 bit the rest will be cut with the 1/16.  I finished the Gcode so I can try it tomorrow.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on June 20, 2017, 02:24:17 PM


Waterjet finish is pretty rough ya and it also doesnt make perfectly perpendicular to the surface cuts.  Not ideal for very thin components.  Also I can work on a cutting strategy to keep supports in place on the outside while I cut the inside and tips, then cut the outsides last and leave little tabs.  Only the very inside part will need the 1/32 bit the rest will be cut with the 1/16.  I finished the Gcode so I can try it tomorrow.   :tu:


Good luck!!!  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 20, 2017, 05:06:13 PM
First cuts went just fine... Now does it work?

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=322811;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on June 20, 2017, 05:12:51 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 20, 2017, 05:24:29 PM
:popcorn:
+1 :popcorn:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: m47mu74nt on June 20, 2017, 05:42:21 PM
:popcorn:
+1 :popcorn:
JR
:popcorn:
               :popcorn:
                             :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on June 20, 2017, 06:31:34 PM
The suspense is killing me :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

:popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on June 20, 2017, 06:38:34 PM
Me too!  :ahhh
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Psych on June 21, 2017, 12:07:47 AM
Syph,

Seeing the springy nature of the tweezers you're now working on reminds me that quite a while back, you were making liner locks for some 93mm mods you were doing at the time. Any chance that idea could translate to the 91mm mods you're doing?


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MusicMen on June 21, 2017, 03:12:35 AM
Well???
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on June 21, 2017, 01:08:54 PM
So how long before you start making your sak-s completely from the ground up?  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 21, 2017, 01:29:02 PM
The leaves of the tweezers were too thin.  Machined fine though but I got a better idea on how to cut them and not need a tiny 1/32 bit.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on June 21, 2017, 02:05:59 PM
:popcorn: :popcorn:
[Intensity intensifies]
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on June 21, 2017, 04:45:40 PM
 :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on June 21, 2017, 07:19:58 PM
Does it involve a horizontal milling machine?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 21, 2017, 07:50:52 PM
Does it involve a horizontal milling machine?

No.  I realized I could have machined the tweezers with the leaves far apart, and bend later. I didnt have to have them so close and use such a tiny bit.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: WWW on June 22, 2017, 03:22:29 AM
At least you realized that, it didn't even occured to me! My thought process was more in the lines that a horrizontal mill will have more support, you could cut a long groove (like an Al extrusion, think the side profile of the tweezers) and than just cut them off. Good solution you've found, I hope it works well.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 23, 2017, 01:25:20 AM
Ive FINALLY come up with a way I like to hold all the scale tools people want.  Drawing it up now in CAD then I can post what Im thinking of trying.  The pen is still too thick to fit unless I can find an option for a thinner one, but regardless if this works I can fit ...

Toothpick
Tweezers
Small firesteel
Pin
Sewing needle and thread 

That takes care of what most people would want, and there will be a small space left over to store whatever else could be jammed in there.

Ive been stuck forever trying to work out the mechanism.  I know I could machine a little drawer hollow that opened in the scale, but how would it lock into place to avoid accidentally opening, and it would also have to be simple so that machining time/cost wasnt too much more and no extra parts like more screws and tapping would be needed.

I did have to go with much thicker Ti for the backscale 0.155" instead of the 0.100" I used now, but that at least this will provide a way to offer people what they want.  It would still be slightly thinner than a stock SAK with plastic scales though (0.070" thinner) since it still wont have the outer liners.  So still an ok compromise I think for those that would want this.

My breakthrough in mentally working on this was realizing how I could machine the drawer to have a built in retension spring to snap it home and become a solid part of the scale when not needed.  A small nail nick would be exposed either on top on inside to pop it open.  It would be part of the back scale and open upwards like a normal tool, but the hinge point would be towards the inside not where the normal tools pivot. 

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on June 23, 2017, 01:52:02 AM
Oh that sounds interesting Syph :tu:

Proud SAKMC member :)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on June 23, 2017, 04:02:05 AM
Oh that sounds interesting Syph :tu:

Proud SAKMC member :)

 :o What Mons said :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: m47mu74nt on June 23, 2017, 07:07:32 PM
 :worthless:

:pommel:

--> [ ]
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on June 23, 2017, 07:11:28 PM
:worthless:

:pommel:

--> [ ]

+1
 :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 24, 2017, 12:31:49 AM
:worthless:

:pommel:

--> [ ]

+1
 :D

So far Ive only cut out the thicker backscale.  Im arranging components on top of that to try to decide the shape to cut.

I do have pics of today's build SAK though.  :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom679/IMG_2027.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom679/IMG_2013.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom679/IMG_2049.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom679/IMG_2036.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on June 24, 2017, 04:22:09 AM
Wow - A Master Ranger ??? - With Pruner and Hex wrench :o

And settles the CS vs Ph debate  :D

Is that a Ti corkscrew or is it just a trick of the light?

Amazing stuff as always my friend!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on June 24, 2017, 12:40:31 PM
Great toolset on that one :o :like:

I love the cut out in the scales as well :dd: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on June 24, 2017, 01:58:35 PM
Why is the tweezer head not flush with the scales?  :think:

Very cool model!  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on June 25, 2017, 09:28:23 PM
That's fantastic!  Can't wait to see how it turns out.

Ive FINALLY come up with a way I like to hold all the scale tools people want.  Drawing it up now in CAD then I can post what Im thinking of trying.  The pen is still too thick to fit unless I can find an option for a thinner one, but regardless if this works I can fit ...

Toothpick
Tweezers
Small firesteel
Pin
Sewing needle and thread 

That takes care of what most people would want, and there will be a small space left over to store whatever else could be jammed in there.

Ive been stuck forever trying to work out the mechanism.  I know I could machine a little drawer hollow that opened in the scale, but how would it lock into place to avoid accidentally opening, and it would also have to be simple so that machining time/cost wasnt too much more and no extra parts like more screws and tapping would be needed.

I did have to go with much thicker Ti for the backscale 0.155" instead of the 0.100" I used now, but that at least this will provide a way to offer people what they want.  It would still be slightly thinner than a stock SAK with plastic scales though (0.070" thinner) since it still wont have the outer liners.  So still an ok compromise I think for those that would want this.

My breakthrough in mentally working on this was realizing how I could machine the drawer to have a built in retension spring to snap it home and become a solid part of the scale when not needed.  A small nail nick would be exposed either on top on inside to pop it open.  It would be part of the back scale and open upwards like a normal tool, but the hinge point would be towards the inside not where the normal tools pivot.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on June 26, 2017, 02:16:15 PM
I hate cliffhangers...  :ahhh
 :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 26, 2017, 02:43:10 PM
I hate cliffhangers...  :ahhh
 :D

The problem is I cant R&D as much at I'd like to.  What Ive been doing is to take on the standard jobs to pay the bills and fit in the R&D when I can. 

This idea will work for sure, I just need to work out the best way to hold the components in the little drawer.  Rattling is unacceptable as that would drive me nuts.  :D  I even ordered some smaller pen blanks that will fit so I can put a pen in there now.  :D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on June 26, 2017, 02:48:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5s4kkZ1.gif)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on June 26, 2017, 03:21:08 PM
I hate cliffhangers...  :ahhh
 :D

The problem is I cant R&D as much at I'd like to.  What Ive been doing is to take on the standard jobs to pay the bills and fit in the R&D when I can. 

This idea will work for sure, I just need to work out the best way to hold the components in the little drawer.  Rattling is unacceptable as that would drive me nuts.  :D  I even ordered some smaller pen blanks that will fit so I can put a pen in there now.  :D

I know the feeling. I supposedly work in electronics R&D department, but spend most of my time doing secretary work, graphical design, translating from and to English and all sorts of unrelated jobs.  :twak:

:D

 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on June 26, 2017, 04:11:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5s4kkZ1.gif)
Whos that?  :think:
Reminds me of someone with brown hair...  :whistle:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 27, 2017, 11:36:24 PM
Skeletonized TiSplorer lol :D

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom681/IMG_2182.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom681/IMG_2202.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom681/IMG_2169.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom681/IMG_2174.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom681/IMG_2156.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Custom650Plus/Custom681/IMG_2130.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on June 27, 2017, 11:42:21 PM
Nice! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on June 28, 2017, 08:30:36 AM
That's a great spot to use for engraving.  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on July 05, 2017, 09:17:04 PM
Does anyone know if you can have a 91mm build with the inline awl opposite the bottle opener or can opener using either the main blade or opener back spring? Don't think I've ever seen it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on July 05, 2017, 10:16:15 PM
Does anyone know if you can have a 91mm build with the inline awl opposite the bottle opener or can opener using either the main blade or opener back spring? Don't think I've ever seen it.
Inline Awl in place of small blade, can opener in place of large blade. Messy, but works. I'm sure that someone will know of a better option.  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 05, 2017, 10:38:09 PM
Does anyone know if you can have a 91mm build with the inline awl opposite the bottle opener or can opener using either the main blade or opener back spring? Don't think I've ever seen it.
Inline Awl in place of small blade, can opener in place of large blade. Messy, but works. I'm sure that someone will know of a better option.  :think:

That wouldnt work without modifying the parts, and it would be clunky.  The awl is actually longer than the either opener and even though it wraps over the scale Im positive it would still hit the other tool.  I once tried on a 93mm with bottle opener and awl and it hit.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on July 05, 2017, 10:49:29 PM
Thanks. Is it the same story with the small blade and the bottle or cap opener on either the opener or blade backspring?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 05, 2017, 10:50:48 PM
Ive FINALLY come up with a way I like to hold all the scale tools people want.  Drawing it up now in CAD then I can post what Im thinking of trying.  The pen is still too thick to fit unless I can find an option for a thinner one, but regardless if this works I can fit ...

Toothpick
Tweezers
Small firesteel
Pin
Sewing needle and thread 

That takes care of what most people would want, and there will be a small space left over to store whatever else could be jammed in there.

Ive been stuck forever trying to work out the mechanism.  I know I could machine a little drawer hollow that opened in the scale, but how would it lock into place to avoid accidentally opening, and it would also have to be simple so that machining time/cost wasnt too much more and no extra parts like more screws and tapping would be needed.

I did have to go with much thicker Ti for the backscale 0.155" instead of the 0.100" I used now, but that at least this will provide a way to offer people what they want.  It would still be slightly thinner than a stock SAK with plastic scales though (0.070" thinner) since it still wont have the outer liners.  So still an ok compromise I think for those that would want this.

My breakthrough in mentally working on this was realizing how I could machine the drawer to have a built in retension spring to snap it home and become a solid part of the scale when not needed.  A small nail nick would be exposed either on top on inside to pop it open.  It would be part of the back scale and open upwards like a normal tool, but the hinge point would be towards the inside not where the normal tools pivot.

Began prototyping today.  Very thick Ti scale pocketed out with pivot and locking bump on other end.   Now to make the piece that fits in that space and holds the parts.   :tu:

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=325246;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=325248;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=325250;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=325252;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on July 05, 2017, 10:58:24 PM
I think I just soiled myself.  Excuse me ........   

 :drool:

Pardon me.   

 :gimme:

I'll be back....

 :salute:

Not sure what just happened.......

 :dd:



Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 05, 2017, 11:28:43 PM
 :drool: :drool: :drool: :like: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on July 06, 2017, 01:17:51 AM
Love it!  This is a great solution.  Sent you a DM via Instagram (j.mcnalley).
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on July 06, 2017, 01:56:58 AM
Great stuff Syph

Quite a few of us waiting with great antici..............pation on this one  :tu:
Loving the idea of a 'secret' compartment

I guess at the pivot end the compartment/door is completely rounded so it can swing
- So a small indentation on the top of the knife/compartment when all closed up.

Very intrigued to see how the click shut mechanism works, and also how the compartment is opened from fully closed up position - Nail nick?
As I can't quite see those two things yet   ???

....... But I know for sure that you will have all that worked out!!  :tu:  :D
EDIT: Ooops - Sorry  :twak:
Just read your quoted post above and you explain this. I was wondering if there was a spring. This is going to be quite intricate.

:popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 06, 2017, 02:12:08 AM
Great stuff Syph

Quite a few of us waiting with great antici..............pation on this one  :tu:
Loving the idea of a 'secret' compartment

I guess at the pivot end the compartment/door is completely rounded so it can swing
- So a small indentation on the top of the knife/compartment when all closed up.

Very intrigued to see how the click shut mechanism works, and also how the compartment is opened from fully closed up position - Nail nick?
As I can't quite see those two things yet   ???

....... But I know for sure that you will have all that worked out!!  :tu:  :D
EDIT: Ooops - Sorry  :twak:
Just read your quoted post above and you explain this. I was wondering if there was a spring. This is going to be quite intricate.

:popcorn:

The part that swings out has the spring.  A leaf spring machined of Ti that will fit into the locking bump.  That is also how the door is released.

The idea is to make use of the Ti material's natural spring force.  Keep it simple. 

When I first started thinking about this I was going to drill and tap holes and all kinds of things that would take time and make it less doable.  Simple is always better.  Keep in mind this is just a prototype.  It will likely change as I actually test and use it.  I also want to make it removable, so say you are going camping put in the one with 3 firesteels or something.  I dont know exactly yet but Id like to get beyond just housing T&T. 

Im also worried that every single person will want this on all future builds so I better make sure its 100% good to go and easy to machine before I start selling it.   :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Psych on July 06, 2017, 02:49:59 AM
Great stuff Syph

Quite a few of us waiting with great antici..............pation on this one  :tu:
Loving the idea of a 'secret' compartment

I guess at the pivot end the compartment/door is completely rounded so it can swing
- So a small indentation on the top of the knife/compartment when all closed up.

Very intrigued to see how the click shut mechanism works, and also how the compartment is opened from fully closed up position - Nail nick?
As I can't quite see those two things yet   ???

....... But I know for sure that you will have all that worked out!!  :tu:  :D
EDIT: Ooops - Sorry  :twak:
Just read your quoted post above and you explain this. I was wondering if there was a spring. This is going to be quite intricate.

:popcorn:

The part that swings out has the spring.  A leaf spring machined of Ti that will fit into the locking bump.  That is also how the door is released.

The idea is to make use of the Ti material's natural spring force.  Keep it simple. 

When I first started thinking about this I was going to drill and tap holes and all kinds of things that would take time and make it less doable.  Simple is always better.  Keep in mind this is just a prototype.  It will likely change as I actually test and use it.  I also want to make it removable, so say you are going camping put in the one with 3 firesteels or something.  I dont know exactly yet but Id like to get beyond just housing T&T. 

Im also worried that every single person will want this on all future builds so I better make sure its 100% good to go and easy to machine before I start selling it.   :D
This is going to be awesome! Looks like I may have to send you the mods you've built for a retrofit once you've worked out the bugs.




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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 06, 2017, 04:37:12 AM
Very cool idea Syph :tu:

Proud SAKMC member :)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on July 06, 2017, 12:46:32 PM
Nice!  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jaya_man on July 06, 2017, 12:52:34 PM
Very cool idea Syph :tu:

Proud SAKMC member :)
Thinkin of updating TiRouge again? :lol:


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 06, 2017, 03:24:20 PM
Very cool idea Syph :tu:

Proud SAKMC member :)
Thinkin of updating TiRouge again?


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I know right?  I just missed this new option, but that's ok.  Who knows, in another year I may go for it :whistle:

Proud SAKMC member :)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on July 06, 2017, 03:49:13 PM
It's almost like it was with computers a few years ago. You buy one, you get home, take it out of the box and the damn thing is already of historical value...  :o
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 06, 2017, 06:00:59 PM
:rofl:

Proud SAKMC member :)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 08, 2017, 03:18:47 AM
Tried the same copper inlay I do for the cross, but for initials.  It was not easy and I dont know if Id want to try again.  But I got er done.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=325613;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=325615;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=325617;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=325619;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 08, 2017, 03:45:42 AM
Nice job :tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 08, 2017, 04:08:42 AM
That's nice, the initial pop at the right angle/lighting :tu:

Proud SAKMC member :)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jaya_man on July 08, 2017, 04:40:05 AM
 Another work of art :like:


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on July 08, 2017, 11:34:06 PM
The initials turned out beautifully.  Great looking SAK.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 10, 2017, 11:47:32 PM
For some reason I dont trust photobucket anymore and I think I'll just continue to attach pics to the post.

Blue skeletonized!

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=326162;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=326164;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=326166;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=326168;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on July 11, 2017, 01:07:06 AM
Beauty!  :drool:
Do you think the backside Philips on your ti customs like that can stand up to more torque than the stock vic?
Have you ever tested?  >:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 11, 2017, 02:41:59 AM
Oh that's sick :drool:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 11, 2017, 02:55:49 AM
Beauty!  :drool:
Do you think the backside Philips on your ti customs like that can stand up to more torque than the stock vic?
Have you ever tested?  >:D

Yes much more torque.  I'd have to test to failure with a torque wrench but ti and a steel pivots beats soft aluminum and brass pins any day.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 11, 2017, 03:49:28 AM
Always a lot of awesome in this thread when I visit it :dd: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 11, 2017, 09:40:28 PM
Ive FINALLY come up with a way I like to hold all the scale tools people want.  Drawing it up now in CAD then I can post what Im thinking of trying.  The pen is still too thick to fit unless I can find an option for a thinner one, but regardless if this works I can fit ...

Toothpick
Tweezers
Small firesteel
Pin
Sewing needle and thread 

That takes care of what most people would want, and there will be a small space left over to store whatever else could be jammed in there.

Ive been stuck forever trying to work out the mechanism.  I know I could machine a little drawer hollow that opened in the scale, but how would it lock into place to avoid accidentally opening, and it would also have to be simple so that machining time/cost wasnt too much more and no extra parts like more screws and tapping would be needed.

I did have to go with much thicker Ti for the backscale 0.155" instead of the 0.100" I used now, but that at least this will provide a way to offer people what they want.  It would still be slightly thinner than a stock SAK with plastic scales though (0.070" thinner) since it still wont have the outer liners.  So still an ok compromise I think for those that would want this.

My breakthrough in mentally working on this was realizing how I could machine the drawer to have a built in retension spring to snap it home and become a solid part of the scale when not needed.  A small nail nick would be exposed either on top on inside to pop it open.  It would be part of the back scale and open upwards like a normal tool, but the hinge point would be towards the inside not where the normal tools pivot.

Began prototyping today.  Very thick Ti scale pocketed out with pivot and locking bump on other end.   Now to make the piece that fits in that space and holds the parts.   :tu:

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=325246;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=325248;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=325250;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=325252;image)

Im working on the fold out part today.  This was my idea to allow it to lock since 0.050" thick Ti is nice and springy for say a pocket clip, I think this should leave me with a nice little tab to spring and click into the scale.

I wont know until I actually cut a piece and test it, but that's why they call it prototyping right.   

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=326309;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on July 11, 2017, 10:23:11 PM
Oh my, if you pull this off I'm refering to you as Sir Robert from then on...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on July 11, 2017, 11:03:38 PM
Oh my, if you pull this off I'm refering to you as Sir Robert from then on...
:imws:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 12, 2017, 01:50:37 AM
The fit was almost perfect.  The locking tab wasnt quite right, and was too thick at the bend area.  I needed a pry tool to release it, and well it should be operable with finger pressure.  Ver 2 will be better.  I have some confidence this will work now though! :D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on July 12, 2017, 05:42:55 AM
Brilliant - I was wondering how the spring would work
I had all sorts of weird visions in my head with separate scissor like springs, and was wondering how they would attach etc etc

Now I get it
And as you said earlier .... the simpler the better

Can see the bottom looks quite thick and therefore unbendy - Bring on version 2.0 - Production version  ??? :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on July 12, 2017, 07:22:26 AM
So Sir Robert it is then?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 12, 2017, 04:02:24 PM
Brilliant - I was wondering how the spring would work
I had all sorts of weird visions in my head with separate scissor like springs, and was wondering how they would attach etc etc

Now I get it
And as you said earlier .... the simpler the better

(http://Can see the bottom looks quite thick and therefore unbendy)- Bring on version 2.0 - Production version  ??? :D

Ya a good thickness for a Ti pocket clip is 0.050" thick and thats what I left there,... but a pocket clip has alot more length for leverage.  Since this one is scrap now, what I'll do is grind away at the bottom to thin it until it feels just right, then measure that and adjust.

I also need to make the entire thing a bit longer.  I needed exactly 2 inches of length and didnt account for the spring part taking up part of that. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 13, 2017, 12:04:34 PM
That is awesome Syph :o Can't wait to see a full working version :dd: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on July 13, 2017, 12:14:28 PM
Brilliant - I was wondering how the spring would work
I had all sorts of weird visions in my head with separate scissor like springs, and was wondering how they would attach etc etc

Now I get it
And as you said earlier .... the simpler the better

(http://Can see the bottom looks quite thick and therefore unbendy)- Bring on version 2.0 - Production version  ??? :D

Ya a good thickness for a Ti pocket clip is 0.050" thick and thats what I left there,... but a pocket clip has alot more length for leverage.  Since this one is scrap now, what I'll do is grind away at the bottom to thin it until it feels just right, then measure that and adjust.

I also need to make the entire thing a bit longer.  I needed exactly 2 inches of length and didnt account for the spring part taking up part of that.

You might want to make the whole spring bar thinner, rather than just at one spot - that way, the spring bar bends along its entire length rather than just at one point which could fatigue.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 13, 2017, 04:10:43 PM
Brilliant - I was wondering how the spring would work
I had all sorts of weird visions in my head with separate scissor like springs, and was wondering how they would attach etc etc

Now I get it
And as you said earlier .... the simpler the better

(http://Can see the bottom looks quite thick and therefore unbendy)- Bring on version 2.0 - Production version  ??? :D

Ya a good thickness for a Ti pocket clip is 0.050" thick and thats what I left there,... but a pocket clip has alot more length for leverage.  Since this one is scrap now, what I'll do is grind away at the bottom to thin it until it feels just right, then measure that and adjust.

I also need to make the entire thing a bit longer.  I needed exactly 2 inches of length and didnt account for the spring part taking up part of that.

You might want to make the whole spring bar thinner, rather than just at one spot - that way, the spring bar bends along its entire length rather than just at one point which could fatigue.

Ya good point.  Im trying to think of another mechanism that could also work, and be simple to machine, but cant come up with anything else.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: george1 on July 13, 2017, 11:57:01 PM
Brilliant - I was wondering how the spring would work
I had all sorts of weird visions in my head with separate scissor like springs, and was wondering how they would attach etc etc

Now I get it
And as you said earlier .... the simpler the better

(http://Can see the bottom looks quite thick and therefore unbendy)- Bring on version 2.0 - Production version  ??? :D

Ya a good thickness for a Ti pocket clip is 0.050" thick and thats what I left there,... but a pocket clip has alot more length for leverage.  Since this one is scrap now, what I'll do is grind away at the bottom to thin it until it feels just right, then measure that and adjust.

I also need to make the entire thing a bit longer.  I needed exactly 2 inches of length and didnt account for the spring part taking up part of that.

You might want to make the whole spring bar thinner, rather than just at one spot - that way, the spring bar bends along its entire length rather than just at one point which could fatigue.

Ya good point.  Im trying to think of another mechanism that could also work, and be simple to machine, but cant come up with anything else.

How about a (coil) spring and a ball bearing detent?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on July 14, 2017, 12:14:08 AM
I guess the dimple could be slightly less deep and a tiny bit higher - so less force required to open ???

Could you have a pocket in the end of the main body of the sak containing a spring (ball pen size ish) that had a tiny knob on the end that located into a dimple going the other way in the swinging drawer ???
Much more difficult to make/source I guess, the spring would need to be fixed at one end, and possibly a point of failure.

Hey how about machining a spring like you have now, but put it in the knife handle with the knob at the bottom and the dimple in the drawer at the bottom.
That way the spring is much more protected, less exposed and could be made thinner.
Hmm would be tricky to machine I guess as you'd need to detach it from the handle somehow along its length.
Maybe a separate piece that had a knob that fixed itself into a slot in the handle at the 'top'? I'd need to draw a piccie
Hmm yes this is getting complicated 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on July 14, 2017, 12:17:50 AM
Ah yes George - That is a more refined version of what I was trying to say with my first suggestion  :tu:  :)
And the ball bearing idea would be perfect - Maybe ???
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on July 14, 2017, 06:31:13 AM
Maybe a separate piece that had a knob that fixed itself into a slot in the handle at the 'top'? I'd need to draw a piccie 
This is what I meant.....

Still like the coiled spring and ball bearing better!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 14, 2017, 03:54:45 PM
Maybe a separate piece that had a knob that fixed itself into a slot in the handle at the 'top'? I'd need to draw a piccie 
This is what I meant.....

Still like the coiled spring and ball bearing better!!

Ya I thought of doing it in reverse like that, but I cant machine it that way since it would be another operation and setup to free the cut spring from the handle.  My goal is no other parts except the Titanium handle and holder.  When I ground ver 1 thinner it worked no problem, so it will jsut be a matter of fine tuning it, and then making sure its repeatable.

Ver 2 is also longer and the release notch will be further toward the end.  In testing with just the open void it actually held more than I thought and if I stuffed in some cotton for tinder, nothing rattled.

I see going forward to offer options ( thats the whole point of custom anyhow ) for drawers.  Something with slots for just a few items, or just open to hold whatever.  The open drawer would hold the max since there would be no extra material in there for dividers.

Im Toying with putting a spring on the bottom of the drawer as well, so the release would actually let the drawer pop up slightly and be easier to open.  I'll have a ver 2 prototype later today.  That 0.160" thick Ti is a PAIN to cut with my puny band saw.  Id say it takes about 10 minutes to cut out a 1x4 piece of Ti.  I have a feeeling I will be able to use slightly thinner Ti in the final product though, I think 0.140" will be enough.  The pocket depth I cut is 0.100" so right now I have a 0.060" wall thickness which in Ti is way overkill since its hardly even structural since the center rib of the backscale takes all the forces.

I love making parts!

:D :D :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on July 14, 2017, 04:40:30 PM
And I approve of your latest R&D efforts!  :cheers:

 :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mbp on July 14, 2017, 05:49:51 PM
I know you're not really doing 93mm mods anymore but curious if you (or any of your sources) has any interest in making custom 93mm blades? I know a few years ago you had some made with CPM-154. I've been hunting for somebody to make me an upgraded 93mm blade.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 14, 2017, 05:58:50 PM
All this is very awesome Syph :dd: :like: :like: Excited to see how this all turns out with the finished product :tu: After you get all the fine tuning would it be to hard to get a video clip up on how this all operates :think: :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 14, 2017, 06:46:49 PM
All this is very awesome Syph :dd: :like: :like: Excited to see how this all turns out with the finished product :tu: After you get all the fine tuning would it be to hard to get a video clip up on how this all operates :think: :cheers:

Absolutely.  I was going to put up some more YouTube videos once I'm done.  It's been along time since I put up any content.  I've got a folder full of emails for people ready to order this already so I really want to make sure its perfect before I sell any. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 14, 2017, 06:48:28 PM
I know you're not really doing 93mm mods anymore but curious if you (or any of your sources) has any interest in making custom 93mm blades? I know a few years ago you had some made with CPM-154. I've been hunting for somebody to make me an upgraded 93mm blade.

There are lots of people who will make custom blades.  I bet you could find someone on blade forums for that type of work.  Or if you want I could give you the contact details of who I used for those blades.   I have 2 of those left I never used but there were very thick.

Edit:  I had a dig though my emails and found his name.

Paul Cooper  Email: byksm@yahoo.com

He did great work and it was obvious in communicating with him he knew what he was talking about and had no problem making different blade shapes and adding the nail nicks etc.  He bought the steel and ground the blades for me.  I got them heat treated.  There are lots of places to do that as well. 

They were great blades, and I do want to make my own someday, but I really dont have the time until I finish the other projects.  Plus for an oven and grinder Id be in at least $4k and Im not ready to invest that much right now to make blades.  I need a proper air compressor first and to get my blasting booth setup.

(http://sakmodder.com/customs/unique/Custom158/05.jpg)

(http://sakmodder.com/customs/unique/Custom172/15.jpg)

If you want the blades to fit in a standard SAK then they would need to be bent to fit around the awl, like stock blades are.  Fitting these huge blades was crazy hard and I wouldnt want to do that again.  :D 

I want drop in replacements for the 91mm blades, thats what Id be after.  In one of the new stainless super steels.  At least in S35VN or better.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: mbp on July 14, 2017, 07:20:10 PM
I know you're not really doing 93mm mods anymore but curious if you (or any of your sources) has any interest in making custom 93mm blades? I know a few years ago you had some made with CPM-154. I've been hunting for somebody to make me an upgraded 93mm blade.

There are lots of people who will make custom blades.  I bet you could find someone on blade forums for that type of work.  Or if you want I could give you the contact details of who I used for those blades.   I have 2 of those left I never used but there were very thick.

Edit:  I had a dig though my emails and found his name.

Paul Cooper  Email: byksm@yahoo.com

He did great work and it was obvious in communicating with him he knew what he was talking about and had no problem making different blade shapes and adding the nail nicks etc.  He bought the steel and ground the blades for me.  I got them heat treated.  There are lots of places to do that as well. 

They were great blades, and I do want to make my own someday, but I really dont have the time until I finish the other projects.  Plus for an oven and grinder Id be in at least $4k and Im not ready to invest that much right now to make blades.  I need a proper air compressor first and to get my blasting booth setup.

(http://sakmodder.com/customs/unique/Custom158/05.jpg)

(http://sakmodder.com/customs/unique/Custom172/15.jpg)

If you want the blades to fit in a standard SAK then they would need to be bent to fit around the awl, like stock blades are.  Fitting these huge blades was crazy hard and I wouldnt want to do that again.  :D 

I want drop in replacements for the 91mm blades, thats what Id be after.  In one of the new stainless super steels.  At least in S35VN or better.

Thank you very much for the information, I will reach out to him.. My thought (and hope) is to get an upgraded blade suitable for use with the existing blade/awl backspring... save a bit of money and energy that way. That would mean keeping the stock around the 3mm mark. Does that sound feasible?

I don't see an easy method of keeping the awl in that instance, it would just be a blade-only layer. Getting a stronger main blade in a supersteel is a worthwhile tradeoff to losing the awl IMO.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on July 16, 2017, 01:18:49 PM
Do you think the swing out drawer could also be implemented in a 93mm model? Because that could make a farmer x pretty much the ultimate sak for me...  :climber:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 16, 2017, 03:37:30 PM
Do you think the swing out drawer could also be implemented in a 93mm model? Because that could make a farmer x pretty much the ultimate sak for me...  :climber:

Yes and it could be much bigger since the backtool aren't in the way
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on July 16, 2017, 03:46:41 PM
This is all so amazing Syph  :salute:.  Your generosity in taking us all along in this journey so unselfishly.  This hinged compartment is very intriguing.  Sad for Mon as he will again be sending in his TiRogue for yet another face lift  :D 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 16, 2017, 10:12:46 PM
This is all so amazing Syph  :salute:.  Your generosity in taking us all along in this journey so unselfishly.  This hinged compartment is very intriguing.  Sad for Mon as he will again be sending in his TiRogue for yet another face lift  :D
Lol, maybe someday, but it's a thicker scale, so I'm not sure.

Proud SAKMC member :)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 17, 2017, 11:06:47 PM
Just a little one today.... Alot of Ti in this one.  Liners, scales and mag glass holder.  :D  Noone ever wants to keep that fishscaler on a champ... :D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 17, 2017, 11:18:19 PM
Dang,,  nice! :tu:
JR
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Post by: SteveC on July 17, 2017, 11:20:00 PM
Sweet !  :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: derekmac on July 18, 2017, 12:57:46 AM
Sweet !  :like:
Sweet with a cherry on top!!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Monrogue on July 18, 2017, 02:57:13 AM
That must be a brick, lol.  Very nice though :tu:

Proud SAKMC member :)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on July 18, 2017, 07:53:13 PM
Sweet !  :like:
Sweet with a cherry on top!!


   (http://i.imgur.com/MHHlL48.jpg) (http://imgur.com/MHHlL48)
(http://i.imgur.com/hEXNxNs.png) (http://imgur.com/hEXNxNs)



 :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 20, 2017, 03:18:15 AM
Scale drawer prototype 2 retention spring mechanism (SDPRSM) actually works!

I put up some Instagram video, I think it should be viewable in a browser too, I just cant embed it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWv-U21gyQz/?taken-by=robertjlessard&hl=en

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 20, 2017, 03:29:24 AM
Oh sweet, big enough to hold wood toothpicks?
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 20, 2017, 03:35:50 AM
Oh sweet, big enough to hold wood toothpicks?
JR

Or for sure.  Right now I can fit T&T and small firesteel.  The opening length is just a bit over 2 inches.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 20, 2017, 04:03:37 AM
Oh sweet, big enough to hold wood toothpicks?
JR

Or for sure.  Right now I can fit T&T and small firesteel.  The opening length is just a bit over 2 inches.
NICE!
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 20, 2017, 04:16:25 AM
Oh WOW :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh That is very awesome Syph :dd: Love the video :salute: Thanks for that :tu: I love how you can put whatever will fit into that little drawer :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on July 20, 2017, 09:15:43 AM
Sir Robert.  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on July 20, 2017, 02:01:36 PM
Very cool ! :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on July 20, 2017, 04:42:50 PM
Nice!  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on July 20, 2017, 08:58:21 PM
Aye Carumba that's exciting!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on July 20, 2017, 11:02:15 PM
Now that I've seen the drawer I can't imagine life without it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on July 20, 2017, 11:31:45 PM
Yay - At last - Looks perfect - And great design

And that 'click' is definitely worthy of a SAK  ;)  :pok:  :tu:  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on July 20, 2017, 11:42:58 PM
Now that I've seen the drawer I can't imagine life without it.
Yay - At last - Looks perfect - And great design

And that 'click' is definitely worthy of a SAK  ;)  :pok:  :tu:  :cheers:

What they said ^^^

:hatsoff:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: JP on July 21, 2017, 02:17:01 AM
Sir Robert, the SAK Soother...
.....the SAK Synergy Soldier
.....the SAK Sleuth....


not sure which to go with...


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Ron Who on July 21, 2017, 05:56:25 AM
 :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on July 21, 2017, 02:40:28 PM
I wonder how titanium holds up when used as a spring? I mean, does it handle it as well as steel?

If not, could the spring part be redesigned in such a way that the whole movement would be distributed over a longer spring, so that material would bend less and be less stressed?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: m47mu74nt on July 21, 2017, 03:16:06 PM
I wonder how titanium holds up when used as a spring? I mean, does it handle it as well as steel?

If not, could the spring part be redesigned in such a way that the whole movement would be distributed over a longer spring, so that material would bend less and be less stressed?
I was wondering the same, as I had stress breaks on some homemade Ti clips
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 21, 2017, 05:09:32 PM
I wonder how titanium holds up when used as a spring? I mean, does it handle it as well as steel?

If not, could the spring part be redesigned in such a way that the whole movement would be distributed over a longer spring, so that material would bend less and be less stressed?
I was wondering the same, as I had stress breaks on some homemade Ti clips

As long as it's annealed and not flexed past its elastic deformation point (in this case its only a few degrees).  The distance of motion of the tab is 0.03" before release on a 0.7" arm.  I'm nowhere near plastic deformation range.

But saying that... thats why I want a good prototype to test and carry.  Ive had not of people offer to 'test' for me too so after that test phase is done I will then take orders for it.  V2 was assembled last night and worked 100% BUT, it was too pointy at the nail release part so V3 is going together today.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on July 21, 2017, 05:52:30 PM
I hope you come up with a good solution, because this on a farmer x is currently the thing I want to have most!  :gimme:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 25, 2017, 01:17:29 AM
Compact tinker today.  :tu:

And im on V3 of scale drawer.  :D  Its longer and now removable if it ever needs to be.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: 4everYoung on July 25, 2017, 01:23:35 AM
Compact tinker today.  :tu:

And im on V3 of scale drawer.  :D  Its longer and now removable if it ever needs to be.
Quite excellent
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on July 25, 2017, 01:55:38 AM
Can't wait to see the V3.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jaya_man on July 25, 2017, 03:16:48 AM
:drool: :popcorn:


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 25, 2017, 07:40:29 PM
Can't wait to see the V3.

It worked!  Im 100% happy with this one.  Building it into a SAK right now.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on July 25, 2017, 07:50:42 PM
Can't wait to see the V3.

It worked!  Im 100% happy with this one.  Building it into a SAK right now.
Pics so we can cheer along? :dd:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on July 26, 2017, 12:41:54 PM
Or at least a video of it in action like you did the last time...   :pok:


 :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 26, 2017, 02:25:43 PM
Or at least a video of it in action like you did the last time...   :pok:


 :D

Im doing a youtube video when Ive got it together.   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 26, 2017, 05:00:56 PM
Or at least a video of it in action like you did the last time...   :pok:


 :D

Im doing a youtube video when Ive got it together.   :tu:
:tu:
JR
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 27, 2017, 12:29:12 PM
Sir Robert.  :hatsoff:
:imws:

This is a few levels above The Next Level, very very cool!  :hatsoff:

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on July 27, 2017, 05:04:35 PM
You should be Chief Designer of Vic, if this was a fair world....  :salute:
Hidden Ti Scale Doors? Whatever next?  :o
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jaya_man on July 27, 2017, 05:07:35 PM
Led lights? Some tritium love?


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Post by: Syph007 on July 27, 2017, 05:56:40 PM
I didnt get a chance to shoot video yet, but here are some pics to tide you over.


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Post by: Poncho65 on July 27, 2017, 06:16:49 PM
Ok that is just flippin awesome :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :drool: Very cool addition to any SAK :dd: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 27, 2017, 06:19:03 PM
The width of that scale is roughly about the same size as a celidor scale maybe? :think:

Sorry if that has been asked but I may have missed it if it was ::) :D
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Post by: jaya_man on July 27, 2017, 06:19:16 PM
Ok that is just flippin awesome :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :drool: Very cool addition to any SAK :dd: :like: :like:
Looks like somebody's planning for a Ti Master Ranger... :think:


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Post by: Poncho65 on July 27, 2017, 06:20:08 PM
Ok that is just flippin awesome :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :drool: Very cool addition to any SAK :dd: :like: :like:
Looks like somebody's planning for a Ti Master Ranger... :think:


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Someday maybe :dd: :like:
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 27, 2017, 06:32:57 PM
NICE :tu:
JR
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Post by: Don Pablo on July 27, 2017, 06:35:35 PM
(http://smileyicons.net/s/910.gif)

Can we see a pic that shows the thickness of the scale?

:hatsoff: Sir Robert.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 27, 2017, 07:54:58 PM
The width of that scale is roughly about the same size as a celidor scale maybe? :think:

Sorry if that has been asked but I may have missed it if it was ::) :D

The scale is exactly the same thickness as a plus back scale 0.160".  My conversions still leave out the outer liners as they arent needed, so still much thinner than a stock SAK.

Filming a video right now to give some better details.
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Post by: Don Pablo on July 27, 2017, 08:07:55 PM
The width of that scale is roughly about the same size as a celidor scale maybe? :think:

Sorry if that has been asked but I may have missed it if it was ::) :D

The scale is exactly the same thickness as a plus back scale 0.160".  My conversions still leave out the outer liners as they arent needed, so still much thinner than a stock SAK.

Filming a video right now to give some better details.
So, lemme get this straight. Its got Ti scales, with a sliding Ti door that can hold multiple sets of T&T(or something else if you prefer), and it is overall still thinner than a celidor SAK with the same number of layers?!
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Post by: Syph007 on July 27, 2017, 08:28:29 PM
The width of that scale is roughly about the same size as a celidor scale maybe? :think:

Sorry if that has been asked but I may have missed it if it was ::) :D

The scale is exactly the same thickness as a plus back scale 0.160".  My conversions still leave out the outer liners as they arent needed, so still much thinner than a stock SAK.

Filming a video right now to give some better details.
So, lemme get this straight. Its got Ti scales, with a sliding Ti door that can hold multiple sets of T&T(or something else if you prefer), and it is overall still thinner than a celidor SAK with the same number of layers?!

Yes!  To be exact it would still be 0.090" thinner than a cellidor version.

Uploading youtube vid now.  I rambled on for quite awhile.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 27, 2017, 11:01:17 PM
Enjoy my ramblings!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLw0EuglvFU
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Post by: SteveC on July 28, 2017, 12:11:19 AM
 :like:
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Post by: zrxoa1 on July 28, 2017, 12:52:30 AM
:like:

+100000000000000


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Post by: MusicMen on July 28, 2017, 04:23:11 AM
:like:

+100000000000000


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Amazing!!! :like:
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 28, 2017, 04:24:16 AM
Great :tu:
JR
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Post by: Monrogue on July 28, 2017, 04:58:24 AM
Super cool Syph!

Proud SAKMC member :)

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Post by: Huntsman on July 28, 2017, 06:41:55 AM
You said you were already busy ......

Get ready for the tsunami of orders !!

Nice job Syph

EDIT: Time to take on an apprentice ???
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Post by: Aloha on July 28, 2017, 07:43:09 AM
 :pok: Victorinox  :pok: Hellooo  :pok: Anyone  :pok:
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Post by: ReamerPunch on July 28, 2017, 08:11:53 AM
The future of tool-making is in good hands.  :like:
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 28, 2017, 10:33:16 AM
Watched the video this morning.......even better with moving pictures! :like: :like:
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Post by: lister on July 28, 2017, 12:26:45 PM
:like:
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Post by: WWW on July 28, 2017, 06:08:52 PM
Great craftsmanship sir!! If you want to cut down on the rattle, use some kaizen foam.

https://www.fastcap.com/estore/pc/Kaizen-Foam-p13435.htm

Not affiliated in anyway to Fastcap, it was just the first link that appeared on google.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 28, 2017, 06:46:36 PM
Great craftsmanship sir!! If you want to cut down on the rattle, use some kaizen foam.

https://www.fastcap.com/estore/pc/Kaizen-Foam-p13435.htm

Not affiliated in anyway to Fastcap, it was just the first link that appeared on google.

Ah great idea.  I was thinking weather stripping, but kaizen is exactly the solution.  For me I dont think id care but I know some people would be annoyed by the sound.
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Post by: Don Pablo on July 28, 2017, 07:38:09 PM
Great craftsmanship sir!! If you want to cut down on the rattle, use some kaizen foam.

https://www.fastcap.com/estore/pc/Kaizen-Foam-p13435.htm

Not affiliated in anyway to Fastcap, it was just the first link that appeared on google.

Ah great idea.  I was thinking weather stripping, but kaizen is exactly the solution.  For me I dont think id care but I know some people would be annoyed by the sound.
Imagine the look on some peoples faces as they try to track down the rattle.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: crackout on July 29, 2017, 09:06:29 AM
You could drill a hole in one scale where the small pen could be injected when writing. :facepalm: :whistle:
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Post by: Syph007 on July 31, 2017, 12:20:22 AM
Ok taking a break from knives to work on trendy crap like fidget spinners...

NOT...

Here's today's SAK.  :D
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Post by: Syph007 on July 31, 2017, 12:21:20 AM
And one more.  :D

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Post by: Don Pablo on July 31, 2017, 12:40:15 AM
You must be tired of this, Sir Robert, but  :drool: :drool:.
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Post by: zrxoa1 on July 31, 2017, 02:41:50 AM
Ok taking a break from knives to work on trendy crap like fidget spinners...

NOT...

Here's today's SAK.  :D

Replace that small blade with a finger nail file and just tell me how much to write the check for!

LOL




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Post by: Huntsman on July 31, 2017, 01:01:22 PM
Ok taking a break from knives to work on trendy crap like fidget spinners...
NOT...
Here's today's SAK.  :D
Replace that small blade with a finger nail file and just tell me how much to write the check for!
LOL

Just buy a Wenger Traveller/S13 (or is it 14)

Ooops Sorry Syph !!  ;)
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Post by: zrxoa1 on July 31, 2017, 01:06:40 PM
Ok taking a break from knives to work on trendy crap like fidget spinners...
NOT...
Here's today's SAK.  :D
Replace that small blade with a finger nail file and just tell me how much to write the check for!
LOL

Just buy a Wenger Traveller/S13 (or is it 14)

Ooops Sorry Syph !!  ;)

While I love Wengers, I wish they had the smaller screwdriver tip on the can opener.   I use that A LOT!

I don't really like backside tools either.




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Post by: Syph007 on July 31, 2017, 06:12:32 PM
Ok taking a break from knives to work on trendy crap like fidget spinners...
NOT...
Here's today's SAK.  :D
Replace that small blade with a finger nail file and just tell me how much to write the check for!
LOL

Just buy a Wenger Traveller/S13 (or is it 14)

Ooops Sorry Syph !!  ;)

While I love Wengers, I wish they had the smaller screwdriver tip on the can opener.   I use that A LOT!

I don't really like backside tools either.




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Ha they do now that Vic put their openers in a Wenger and called it a delemont.  It's odd looking to me though.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 04, 2017, 05:31:21 PM
A pair of Ti campers today.  :D

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Post by: Huntsman on August 05, 2017, 01:46:56 AM
Hey Syph,

Just out of curiosity, if you have a mo. And I hope my question is not too dumb  :o
How does the Tormach cut the pin for the drawer ???

Do you have a special bit with a hollow centre, that cuts the pin? - Or do you program a regular bit to cut around in a circle? - Or some other kind of magic??

Thanks
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Post by: Syph007 on August 05, 2017, 03:17:43 AM
Hey Syph,

Just out of curiosity, if you have a mo. And I hope my question is not too dumb  :o
How does the Tormach cut the pin for the drawer ???

Do you have a special bit with a hollow centre, that cuts the pin? - Or do you program a regular bit to cut around in a circle? - Or some other kind of magic??

Thanks

Just regular end mills that cut around the perimeter of the pin.  I only have 4 bits I use routinely.  2 flat end Mills and 2 ball nose.  The round over of the scales is done with a large ball nose in multiple passes.
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Post by: WWW on August 05, 2017, 09:57:02 PM
Put some thrust bearings on either side of a SAK = Syph Custom Ti Fidget Spinner SAK. I (very badly) fidget by rotating any kind of thing between my fingers and so came this stupid idea. They are not for me though as I came to realize that a blade much larger than a SAK is a fidget toy to me (my opinion based on my blade needs), all I do with my 910 is open and close it. Enough ranting, sorry for the thread hijacking.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 16, 2017, 08:02:55 PM
Just a little keychain size one today.   :whistle:


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Post by: MadPlumbarian on August 16, 2017, 10:04:32 PM
Ouch, just looking at that it feels like my shorts are pulling down, lol.. nice job!
JR
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Post by: Kev D on August 16, 2017, 10:50:06 PM
Nice work  :tu:

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Post by: strmliner on August 16, 2017, 11:29:17 PM
Just a little keychain size one today.   :whistle:

Just a little?!?!   :whistle:

Love the hiding place for the T&T and Pen!  :hatsoff:


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Post by: Poncho65 on August 17, 2017, 06:32:12 PM
Oh wow :dd: :like: :like: :like:
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Post by: Don Pablo on August 17, 2017, 06:44:05 PM
It's not heavy enough to act as a paperweight.  :twak:

Wonderful!  :salute:
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Post by: Syph007 on August 17, 2017, 10:06:49 PM
That last one had the longest pivots Ive ever used.  1.2 inches.  Something like a super tinker is 0.4 inch.  :D

Speaking of super tinker, they are still popular too.  :D  I am quite lucky to be able to do this as a job.  Still seems weird if I explain what I do to someone else.  Um make fancy swiss army knives... well no I dont make the knives.. I customize them...  :think:



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Post by: strmliner on August 17, 2017, 10:30:50 PM
That last one had the longest pivots Ive ever used.  1.2 inches.  Something like a super tinker is 0.4 inch.  :D

Speaking of super tinker, they are still popular too.  :D  I am quite lucky to be able to do this as a job.  Still seems weird if I explain what I do to someone else.  Um make fancy swiss army knives... well no I dont make the knives.. I customize them...  :think:

And what a fabulous job you do creating new custom SAKs!   :drool:

Beautiful SuperTinker, Syph!   :like:
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Post by: m47mu74nt on September 14, 2017, 09:24:24 PM
I just had an idea a few moments ago, what about some kind of using the Leatherman Wave small screwdriver instead of the Vic one on models without corkscrew, with a kind of groove in the inside of the scale to fix it and store it in your scale box ?
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Post by: jaya_man on September 15, 2017, 02:05:35 AM
A friend modded the mini sd and replaced the sd with that of Vic's. Will try to replicate it once I have the fodder parts...


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Post by: lister on September 15, 2017, 10:39:54 AM
Any updates on how are the scale drawers holding up since you released them in to the wild?  :pok:

 :D
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Post by: Syph007 on September 15, 2017, 01:56:15 PM
Any updates on how are the scale drawers holding up since you released them in to the wild?  :pok:

 :D

I've shipped 6 so far.  Haven't had alot of feedback on them though. 
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Post by: lister on September 15, 2017, 03:47:08 PM
Any updates on how are the scale drawers holding up since you released them in to the wild?  :pok:

 :D

I've shipped 6 so far.  Haven't had alot of feedback on them though.

Well, that at least means there are no serious issues with the design.  :cheers:
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Post by: Lardlad on September 15, 2017, 04:31:27 PM
The scale drawer on my Cybertool 41 has been in daily use since I received it.  The drawer shows no signs of developing play on any axis and works as smoothly today as it did when I received it.  The closure mechanism also seems to be working just as well now as it did when Bob sent it - the snap of closure is quite decisive.  I guess Bob nailed the dimensions perfectly.
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Post by: Syph007 on September 15, 2017, 04:40:40 PM
The scale drawer on my Cybertool 41 has been in daily use since I received it.  The drawer shows no signs of developing play on any axis and works as smoothly today as it did when I received it.  The closure mechanism also seems to be working just as well now as it did when Bob sent it - the snap of closure is quite decisive.  I guess Bob nailed the dimensions perfectly.

Glad to hear it!  The idea of it stewed in my brain for quite some time and I just couldnt think of any other way to do it, while keeping it simple. 
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Post by: Syph007 on September 16, 2017, 03:48:21 PM
Yesterdays build was also a drawer build.  Still thinner than a standard compact BTW.

(https://vgy.me/rMMMiA.jpg)

(https://vgy.me/8Fcd2i.jpg)

(https://vgy.me/kwn5U8.jpg)

(https://vgy.me/rOR0kR.jpg)

(https://vgy.me/bLVSK3.jpg)
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Post by: SteveC on September 16, 2017, 03:54:44 PM
 :like:
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Post by: ReamerPunch on September 18, 2017, 10:49:25 AM
Hey Robert, could you etch a Leatherman knurled screw wrench into a Ti scale, or a pocketwrench?  :think:
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Post by: Syph007 on September 18, 2017, 12:27:01 PM
Hey Robert, could you etch a Leatherman knurled screw wrench into a Ti scale, or a pocketwrench?  :think:

Probably. Those are pretty fine cuts to make though.
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Post by: Syph007 on September 23, 2017, 09:53:38 PM
Its been a loooong time since I build a 58mm but I still remembered how.  :D
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Post by: Lardlad on September 24, 2017, 06:16:09 PM
Must have been almost like working on jewelry adding the tiny copper cross to the scale.  I've always liked that model.  Nice work!
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Post by: Syph007 on September 24, 2017, 10:02:41 PM
Must have been almost like working on jewelry adding the tiny copper cross to the scale.  I've always liked that model.  Nice work!

Ive got a slightly easier way to do it now.  I cut that cross hole about 80% though, then just hammer a small piece of copper into the space, and sand the top.  Works well since copper is so soft, not as easy with brass.
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Post by: Aloha on September 25, 2017, 06:08:08 PM
Its been a loooong time since I build a 58mm but I still remembered how.  :D

Good grief this is gorgeous  :salute:
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Post by: Syph007 on September 27, 2017, 04:46:29 PM
I havent done yeoman in awhile but they are still cool.

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Post by: pa_strunk on September 28, 2017, 05:48:03 PM
Outstanding  :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on September 28, 2017, 07:10:58 PM
A bit of stylish mokume cross today.

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Post by: Don Pablo on September 28, 2017, 07:24:27 PM
 :drool:
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Post by: Ron Who on September 28, 2017, 09:01:22 PM
I would buy that one if I had the money (and if it had a corkscrew instead of the Phillips).

 :like:
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Post by: George S on October 01, 2017, 07:45:16 PM
Madre de Dios, those are stunning...!
I can only echo the most common reply:  :drool:
This one time, I made a custom scale, from epoxy putty... a (very) small step on the way to water-cut, copper-inlaid scales  ;)
Beautiful work, Syph.
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Post by: Syph007 on October 04, 2017, 01:27:15 AM
This took alot of hours today.  Both machining and hand finishing.  But its done and it works.  Every single function a normal champ has, not missing anything.
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 04, 2017, 02:10:45 AM
Holy heavy!
JR
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Post by: zoidberg on October 04, 2017, 02:41:55 AM
Yum!!     :drool:     :drool:
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Post by: jaya_man on October 04, 2017, 08:19:33 AM
Awesome work Syph... :like:

If you don’t mind me asking, how many barrels per pivot did you use?


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Post by: Don Pablo on October 04, 2017, 10:08:51 AM
 :drool:
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Post by: AlephZero on October 04, 2017, 11:43:58 AM
:drool:
:imws:

 :drool:
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on October 04, 2017, 12:44:17 PM
That's some next level modding  :salute:

Has Victorinox ever made contact with you?
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on October 04, 2017, 12:45:58 PM
BMW has the M division
Mercedes has Brabus



Victorinox has............Bob!

 :salute:

 :rofl:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on October 04, 2017, 08:36:14 PM
Beautiful... I'm in speechless awe. :like:

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Post by: Syph007 on October 04, 2017, 09:12:32 PM
That's some next level modding  :salute:

Has Victorinox ever made contact with you?

Nope!

Awesome work Syph... :like:

If you don’t mind me asking, how many barrels per pivot did you use?


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This champ took a full 1" pivot so I joined 2 of the half inch ones together.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jaya_man on October 05, 2017, 12:55:44 AM
That's some next level modding  :salute:

Has Victorinox ever made contact with you?

Nope!

Awesome work Syph... :like:

If you don’t mind me asking, how many barrels per pivot did you use?


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This champ took a full 1" pivot so I joined 2 of the half inch ones together.
Thanks for the info Syph :cheers:


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Post by: 875fps on October 10, 2017, 04:38:09 PM
Awesome work Syph... :like:

If you don’t mind me asking, how many barrels per pivot did you use?


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I was going to ask the same question.  That thing is thick!

And as usual, nothing short of absolutely amazing.  Such a beautiful piece.
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Post by: Syph007 on October 13, 2017, 05:47:38 PM
I made a brass pioneer.  Its been awhile since Ive done anything with 93's

Its really hard to take a good pic when the brass is new and shiny.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=340866;image)
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 13, 2017, 06:07:59 PM
Very nice!
JR
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Post by: SteveC on October 13, 2017, 06:16:32 PM
Nice !   did you machine any weight relief out of the scales ?
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Post by: Syph007 on October 13, 2017, 06:20:19 PM
Nice !   did you machine any weight relief out of the scales ?

Yes I take out half the scale thickness on the inside areas.
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Post by: Poncho65 on October 15, 2017, 03:28:05 AM
 :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
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Post by: 875fps on October 15, 2017, 10:11:00 AM
That thing is gorgeous!  I want to see it again after it's had a chance to patina if you get a chance to keep tabs on this one.
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on October 16, 2017, 10:12:48 AM
I made a brass pioneer.  Its been awhile since Ive done anything with 93's

Its really hard to take a good pic when the brass is new and shiny.


Take note law enforcement organizations of the world, if you ever need to catch me, this is how you bait the trap!

Amazing work as always!  :salute: :salute: :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on October 16, 2017, 10:57:03 AM
I made a brass pioneer.  Its been awhile since Ive done anything with 93's

Its really hard to take a good pic when the brass is new and shiny.


Take note law enforcement organizations of the world, if you ever need to catch me, this is how you bait the trap!

Amazing work as always!  :salute: :salute: :salute:
Noted Gerhard.

Just off to set a honey trap...........
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Post by: Syph007 on October 19, 2017, 07:58:42 PM
Another fully loaded champ today but more proper IMO without the fishscaler.  Its does make it feel smaller in hand.

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Post by: Lardlad on October 20, 2017, 10:13:20 PM
Beautiful!  Turned the champ into a work of art.
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Post by: Poncho65 on October 22, 2017, 06:40:42 AM
Beautiful!  Turned the champ into a work of art.

+1 :dd: :drool: :like:
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 23, 2017, 02:58:15 AM
Brass Farmer, take my money now!
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Post by: Syph007 on October 28, 2017, 03:27:40 PM
Another yeoman was born yesterday.  With secret drawer.  :D
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 28, 2017, 03:44:03 PM
Nice :tu:
JR
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Post by: jaya_man on October 28, 2017, 05:56:43 PM
:drool:


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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on October 28, 2017, 06:57:04 PM
Very nice :tu:

Do you make these on order by any chance? Could fancy a SwissChamp converted this way...

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Post by: Syph007 on October 28, 2017, 07:21:45 PM
Very nice :tu:

Do you make these on order by any chance? Could fancy a SwissChamp converted this way...

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Yes all of what i do is custom orders.  It's given me full time work for the last few years now. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on October 28, 2017, 07:27:24 PM
The current order Im working on, the customer wanted me to sign the SAK somewhere.  I signed my last name on paper then scanned and converted the line to a toolpath. 

Im going to try the diamond drag engraver I have and see if that will make an acceptable sig on the inside of the scale.  I already tumbled it so the surface is gray, so scratching it should reveal the silver Ti color and look decent enough.  Going to go give it a try now.
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Post by: pa_strunk on October 30, 2017, 01:02:18 AM
SAK surgeon with such skills should sign his art  :salute:
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Post by: Syph007 on October 30, 2017, 07:08:35 PM
It worked out pretty well.   :tu:

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Post by: Don Pablo on October 30, 2017, 07:59:07 PM
When I saw the engraved lion:
Hear me mod!  :D
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Post by: Lardlad on October 31, 2017, 01:58:24 PM
Love the idea of the signed scale drawer, and it looks great.  That champ will make someone very happy.
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Post by: strmliner on November 01, 2017, 07:47:55 PM
It worked out pretty well.   :tu:

Well done, Robert...I really like that! :hatsoff:
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Post by: Syph007 on November 11, 2017, 10:20:53 PM
Ti/brass ranger with oversize keyring hole.  The 6mm hole was a request to fit on a carabiner.  The ranger is a cool SAK... all tools layers have backtools too.
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Post by: SteveC on November 11, 2017, 10:24:22 PM
Beauty !  :drool:
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Post by: pa_strunk on November 11, 2017, 10:34:51 PM
 :gimme:
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on November 12, 2017, 12:19:20 AM
Very nice!
JR
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Post by: Don Pablo on November 12, 2017, 02:11:23 AM
Show it to the guys who like to file off keyrings.  >:D
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Post by: Syph007 on November 12, 2017, 02:16:42 AM
Show it to the guys who like to file off keyrings.  >:D

LOL ya

To be fair to the keyring though, the normal ones I make dont hurt the hand like the alox ones do.  I make them rounded off and smooth.  Big difference in the feel.
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Post by: Sakpan74Gr on November 12, 2017, 06:18:43 AM
Considering that your scales are thinner than the cellidor ones, how wide is the Ti Ranger? Maybe as wide as a cellidor Climber?

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Post by: Syph007 on November 12, 2017, 03:52:22 PM
Considering that your scales are thinner than the cellidor ones, how wide is the Ti Ranger? Maybe as wide as a cellidor Climber?

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Yes allost exaclty that width.  Basically you get both saws for free and it's about the same as a stick climber.
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Post by: Poncho65 on November 12, 2017, 03:55:01 PM
Excellent work as always Syph :dd: :like: :like:
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Post by: twiliter on November 14, 2017, 01:41:57 PM
Show it to the guys who like to file off keyrings.  >:D

I would pay extra to NOT do this!  :ahhh

Keyrings, engraving plates, and combo tools should all be outlawed!  :rant:

 :rofl:
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Post by: twiliter on November 14, 2017, 01:47:03 PM
Ti/brass ranger with oversize keyring hole.  The 6mm hole was a request to fit on a carabiner.  The ranger is a cool SAK... all tools layers have backtools too.

That really is a beauty, but how nice would it be if the keyring was retractable like a LM?  :tu:
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Post by: magentus on November 14, 2017, 01:50:29 PM
Ti/brass ranger with oversize keyring hole.  The 6mm hole was a request to fit on a carabiner.  The ranger is a cool SAK... all tools layers have backtools too.

That really is a beauty, but how nice would it be if the keyring was retractable like a LM?  :tu:
This could all be solved with two words.

Hollow.

Rivet.
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Post by: Don Pablo on November 14, 2017, 02:40:37 PM
Ti/brass ranger with oversize keyring hole.  The 6mm hole was a request to fit on a carabiner.  The ranger is a cool SAK... all tools layers have backtools too.

That really is a beauty, but how nice would it be if the keyring was retractable like a LM?  :tu:
This could all be solved with two words.

Hollow.

Rivet.
I'd be impressed if syph did a hollow screw.  :whistle:
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Post by: magentus on November 14, 2017, 02:48:38 PM
Ti/brass ranger with oversize keyring hole.  The 6mm hole was a request to fit on a carabiner.  The ranger is a cool SAK... all tools layers have backtools too.

That really is a beauty, but how nice would it be if the keyring was retractable like a LM?  :tu:
This could all be solved with two words.

Hollow.

Rivet.
I'd be impressed if syph did a hollow screw.  :whistle:
If anyone can besides Vic (are you listening Vic?) Syph can.
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Post by: lister on November 14, 2017, 03:02:21 PM
If he has access to a lathe I think a hollow screw should be doable?  :climber:
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Post by: Syph007 on November 14, 2017, 04:36:19 PM
Ti/brass ranger with oversize keyring hole.  The 6mm hole was a request to fit on a carabiner.  The ranger is a cool SAK... all tools layers have backtools too.

That really is a beauty, but how nice would it be if the keyring was retractable like a LM?  :tu:

That's totally doable but it would have to take the place of a tool like the small blade.  Noone has ever asked for that but I don't see a reason why it wouldn't be done.

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Post by: Tom Schneider on November 14, 2017, 10:54:33 PM
Just received a brass Spartan from Rob though ebay. Amazing knife!!!!! The polish and detail on this knife is stunning!!
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Post by: twiliter on November 15, 2017, 01:17:30 AM
Ti/brass ranger with oversize keyring hole.  The 6mm hole was a request to fit on a carabiner.  The ranger is a cool SAK... all tools layers have backtools too.

That really is a beauty, but how nice would it be if the keyring was retractable like a LM?  :tu:

That's totally doable but it would have to take the place of a tool like the small blade.  Noone has ever asked for that but I don't see a reason why it wouldn't be done.

Something like a brass magnifier with no lens? Maybe a little big, but you could use all manner of snap shackle or carabiner to attach it to stuff.

Jeez, did I just say that?  :facepalm:

 :D
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Post by: Syph007 on November 15, 2017, 03:34:53 PM
Just received a brass Spartan from Rob though ebay. Amazing knife!!!!! The polish and detail on this knife is stunning!!

Awesome glad you like it.   The parts are all cut on my CNC mill but they are all still hand finished to get them to look nice.  That cartridge brass ages really well too, it will look like old ammo casings after a number of years.
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Post by: Syph007 on November 16, 2017, 12:11:20 AM
My latest is a maximum brass explorer... I cant fit anymore brass on this one! :D

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Post by: Poncho65 on November 16, 2017, 12:50:47 AM
:dd: :drool: :drool: :like:
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Post by: Don Pablo on November 16, 2017, 12:47:25 PM
Wow. :ahhh
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Post by: twiliter on November 16, 2017, 12:52:39 PM
My latest is a maximum brass explorer... I cant fit anymore brass on this one! :D

Brass handled mini SD for the corkscrew?  :think:

Nice one Syph, looks like it has some heft to it.  :like:
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Post by: T14 on November 16, 2017, 02:23:07 PM
You consistently produce works of art. Lucky client!
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Post by: lister on November 16, 2017, 02:39:06 PM
Can you make one of those scale drawers in brass scales? Or is the material not springy enough? :think:
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Post by: Syph007 on November 16, 2017, 02:48:19 PM
Can you make one of those scale drawers in brass scales? Or is the material not springy enough? :think:

The scale can be brass but the drawer could not.  Its only 0.005" thick at the bottom of the drawer, brass isnt strong enough nor have a natural spring effect for the latch.
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Post by: lister on November 16, 2017, 02:55:32 PM
Can you make one of those scale drawers in brass scales? Or is the material not springy enough? :think:

The scale can be brass but the drawer could not.  Its only 0.005" thick at the bottom of the drawer, brass isnt strong enough nor have a natural spring effect for the latch.

 :like:
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Post by: Don Pablo on November 16, 2017, 07:23:04 PM
Can you make one of those scale drawers in brass scales? Or is the material not springy enough? :think:

The scale can be brass but the drawer could not.  Its only 0.005" thick at the bottom of the drawer, brass isnt strong enough nor have a natural spring effect for the latch.

 :like:
Science is cool.  8) :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on November 17, 2017, 03:22:19 PM
The customer sent 3 donor knives to combine into this beast.

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Post by: jaya_man on November 17, 2017, 03:41:43 PM
Awesome Deluxe Cyber Yeoman... :like:


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Post by: Lardlad on November 17, 2017, 04:28:33 PM
It's like a Cybertool Lite with the combo tool.  I love seeing another Cybertool get the full conversion, and the scale drawer is the icing on the cake.
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Post by: Poncho65 on November 17, 2017, 10:09:14 PM
:dd:

 :like:
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Post by: Huntsman on November 18, 2017, 03:23:27 AM
Surely it's a (not very!)  Compact Cybertool Lite

I've got a CT Lite - Love it  :tu:   ...... Even if the 'lite' is pretty rubbish
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Post by: pa_strunk on November 18, 2017, 09:36:53 PM
Send that puppy to papa  :mail:
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Post by: Syph007 on November 20, 2017, 10:40:26 PM
Today from SAK Labs!  Explorer plus Pliers. :D

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Post by: Poncho65 on November 20, 2017, 11:44:26 PM
Another work of art, Syph :dd: :like: :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on November 22, 2017, 07:20:26 PM
R&D day here at SAK labs and im making something that has been kicking around in my head now for 2 years....

Any guesses?  (for scale the blue rectangle is 2x4 inches)
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on November 22, 2017, 07:37:37 PM
Instant scale remover? :shrug:
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Post by: twiliter on November 22, 2017, 07:39:34 PM
My guess is either a jig of some sort...

or a harmonica.  :facepalm:
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Post by: T14 on November 22, 2017, 07:40:41 PM
My longshot guess would be a cybertool bit caddy of some sort?
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Post by: Don Pablo on November 22, 2017, 07:57:56 PM
A poison dart shooter attachment?  :think:
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Post by: Syph007 on November 22, 2017, 08:05:28 PM
A poison dart shooter attachment?  :think:

Canada is behind the times and hasn't yet made poison darts legal edc!
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Post by: Ron Who on November 22, 2017, 08:13:08 PM
No idea whatsoever. I think you´re showing only a part of the drawing.
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Post by: Fortytwo on November 22, 2017, 08:29:34 PM
R&D day here at SAK labs and im making something that has been kicking around in my head now for 2 years....

Any guesses?  (for scale the blue rectangle is 2x4 inches)

It looks a lot like the "grip" for tweezers except the size is all wrong. I'm still going for a scale tool "grip" but obviously for something bigger. Only thing I can think of around that size would be a nail file from a SwissCard but I guess there are other things that I can't think of.
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Post by: Syph007 on November 22, 2017, 09:03:16 PM
Brass part done.  That was what the top down drawing was.  The other part is Ti and im doing that now.

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Post by: twiliter on November 22, 2017, 09:08:49 PM
OK, so it's either a bit exchanger...

or a harmonica  :facepalm:
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Post by: Ron Who on November 22, 2017, 09:10:32 PM
Window breaker?
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Post by: twiliter on November 22, 2017, 09:16:06 PM
Window breaker?

Not the brass part, surely.  :D
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Post by: Syph007 on November 22, 2017, 09:18:35 PM
OK, so it's either a bit exchanger...

or a harmonica  :facepalm:

Nope.  Its not a super weird part or anything but it solves 2 problems Ive been wanting to solve for some time now.. if it works. 
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Post by: T14 on November 22, 2017, 09:34:31 PM
Some kind of tool specific pivot hole relocator (like for an 84mm nail file) ?
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Post by: twiliter on November 22, 2017, 09:35:37 PM
Hmm...  :think:

It's shaped like a traditional brass bolster, but I'm almost positive it's a harmonica.  :D

Then again, not sure how that solves even one problem.  ???
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Post by: Huntsman on November 22, 2017, 11:52:13 PM
I love puzzles - But this has me fooled.

What do we know ???

Of course it is a part for a SAK
It is small
It has a pin and a hole
It solves two problems that Syph has identified ?

Well we know he already fixed his scale tool problem
He has been talking about a marlin spike for a while- But this does not look like that
Is it something internal to do with the construction process ??? Not sure where that wee device would fit in a SAK

Hmm maybe a retractable key-ring holder ???
Or some sort of locking mechanism ???
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Post by: jaya_man on November 23, 2017, 02:41:34 AM
Blade exchanger like those on LM’s?


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Post by: Syph007 on November 23, 2017, 03:23:06 AM
I love puzzles - But this has me fooled.

What do we know ???

Of course it is a part for a SAK
It is small
It has a pin and a hole
It solves two problems that Syph has identified ?

Well we know he already fixed his scale tool problem
He has been talking about a marlin spike for a while- But this does not look like that
Is it something internal to do with the construction process ??? Not sure where that wee device would fit in a SAK

Hmm maybe a retractable key-ring holder ???
Or some sort of locking mechanism ???

Ding ding!

People keep asking for the Marlin spikes.  I work with Ti as steel needs heat treating and is a pain to machine. A Ti tool on steel backsprings galls so bad it feels like there is sand in the joint. 

So this little gismo let's me use Ti material and solves the gall problem!  The action is smooth as silk!

I guess this would be a pivot bushing adapter?  The same idea would work to make Wenger style wrenches of Ti and pair with Phillips or mag glass.
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Post by: twiliter on November 23, 2017, 11:26:07 AM
That looks like a good solution!  :tu:

Is the marlinspike going to look familiar, or a unique design?


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Post by: ReamerPunch on November 23, 2017, 01:07:06 PM
Will you never cease to amaze?  :o
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Post by: Syph007 on November 23, 2017, 04:09:06 PM
That looks like a good solution!  :tu:

Is the marlinspike going to look familiar, or a unique design?

I just made some standard looking ones for my first test. Since I cut them as needed and not in bulk like I used to with waterjet I can make any shape.
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Post by: Ron Who on November 23, 2017, 04:27:25 PM
Do you think it´s possible to develop one that doesn´t need scale cutouts?
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Post by: Syph007 on November 23, 2017, 04:37:17 PM
Do you think it´s possible to develop one that doesn´t need scale cutouts?

Yes this one. It's a drop in replacement for the wood saw
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Post by: Lardlad on November 23, 2017, 04:42:06 PM
That is so cool!  You could potentially use the same brass mechanism for other TI tools...
Nice design work.
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Post by: Syph007 on November 23, 2017, 04:50:53 PM
That is so cool!  You could potentially use the same brass mechanism for other TI tools...
Nice design work.

Exactly!

Wenger style Ti wrench to pair with Phillips OR full length wrench if some sort.
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Post by: Don Pablo on November 23, 2017, 04:54:03 PM
Do you think it´s possible to develop one that doesn´t need scale cutouts?

Yes this one. It's a drop in replacement for the wood saw
So it's thicker and stronger than the stock Victorinox marlinspike?  :o :ahhh
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Post by: twiliter on November 23, 2017, 05:53:16 PM
Good stuff, awesome.  :tu:
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Post by: tankerG on November 24, 2017, 06:32:13 PM
Syph, couldn't you just carbidize the Ti tool in the area where it will rub against the steel? Like you do to the scales at the rubbing points?
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Post by: Syph007 on November 24, 2017, 06:47:25 PM
Syph, couldn't you just carbidize the Ti tool in the area where it will rub against the steel? Like you do to the scales at the rubbing points?

Tried that, and didnt work.  Alot more pressure with a backspring compared to the side contact of the scales.  That solution has been working perfectly though for Ti liners and scales.
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Post by: Syph007 on November 24, 2017, 08:36:33 PM
I don't think I ever showed this.

This is my low tech yet very precise method for sizing pivots.  A machined series of holes of incrementally increasing depth and a jewelers saw with a tiny 0.010" kerf.  Been doing it this way for years now.  The Platinum series blades from Ottofrei will cut hardened steel and Ti with ease.  In the old days I used to actually hand cut liners and scales out of Ti with these same blades.
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Post by: twiliter on November 25, 2017, 08:07:36 PM
Syph, couldn't you just carbidize the Ti tool in the area where it will rub against the steel? Like you do to the scales at the rubbing points?

Tried that, and didnt work.  Alot more pressure with a backspring compared to the side contact of the scales.  That solution has been working perfectly though for Ti liners and scales.

I was also wondering, because titanium will polish to a mirror finish, if it would still gall with polished stainless under pressure?

I'm betting you have already tried this too...  ;)
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Post by: twiliter on November 25, 2017, 08:22:39 PM
I have also noticed when using all stainless hardware, nuts and bolts mostly for high corrosion applications or decorative purposes, that the stainless will gall with itself a lot. I nearly always use anti-seize for that, but it's usually (hopefully) a one time assembly, and not a constant movement situation. It really is an annoying thing with stainless, and anti-seize is a messy business also. Not really a problem when it's highly polished, like on a SAK...
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Post by: Syph007 on November 25, 2017, 08:52:29 PM
Syph, couldn't you just carbidize the Ti tool in the area where it will rub against the steel? Like you do to the scales at the rubbing points?

Tried that, and didnt work.  Alot more pressure with a backspring compared to the side contact of the scales.  That solution has been working perfectly though for Ti liners and scales.

I was also wondering, because titanium will polish to a mirror finish, if it would still gall with polished stainless under pressure?

I'm betting you have already tried this too...  ;)

The more polished the worse the gall.  Actually even with stainless above 220 grit will gall with other stainless.   This takes about 5 minutes of effort to combine the brass and Ti parts easy soultion now that I got the g code worked out.  I made half a dozen and putting a test one together now.
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Post by: twiliter on November 25, 2017, 10:07:35 PM
Nice, waiting for the prototype...  :popcorn:

Also waiting for your custom damascus phase.  :popcorn:  :D
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Post by: Huntsman on November 25, 2017, 11:06:29 PM
.....
He has been talking about a marlin spike for a while - But this does not look like that
Is it something internal to do with the construction process ??? Not sure where that wee device would fit in a SAK
Ding ding!
People keep asking for the Marlin spikes.  I work with Ti as steel needs heat treating and is a pain to machine. A Ti tool on steel backsprings galls so bad it feels like there is sand in the joint. 
So this little gismo let's me use Ti material and solves the gall problem!  The action is smooth as silk! ....

And my prize for the correct guess is ........

A custom Syph SAK with a ..... marlin spike !!      :D      :tu:      ;)
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Post by: Poncho65 on November 25, 2017, 11:49:24 PM
That is a sweet fix for that type of problem Syph :tu: :like: :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on November 26, 2017, 04:02:16 PM
Tumbled and textured Ti 93.  Its been awhile but I still remembered all the tricks to put one together.  :D

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Post by: Don Pablo on November 26, 2017, 04:12:01 PM
 :drool:
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Post by: jaya_man on November 27, 2017, 01:10:08 AM
:drool:
+1 :drool:


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Post by: Syph007 on November 27, 2017, 06:11:47 PM
Bladeless!

Was a swiss champ and lost mag layer and main blade layer.  I shaved down the tang of the corkscrew just a tad so it could fit on the back of the metal saw layer.

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Post by: Don Pablo on November 27, 2017, 06:16:58 PM
 :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on November 27, 2017, 09:03:09 PM
Bushcrafter/Sailer prototype.  :D
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Post by: Don Pablo on November 27, 2017, 09:45:00 PM
 :ahhh
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Post by: Ron Who on November 27, 2017, 09:55:11 PM
I want one in grey Ti with brass liners, no scale tools, with corkscrew and the other awl on the back. I´ll start saving my money as of today. Can you PM me a price estimate? Time lapse between order and delivery? This is not a joke I´m dead serious. Oh and no pocket clip.

PS Please accept my apologies for the rather rude way in which I´m asking this, I should have sent you a PM.

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Post by: twiliter on November 28, 2017, 01:11:11 AM
That marlinspike turned out well.  :tu:
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Post by: mrynnr on November 28, 2017, 04:23:03 AM
:drool:


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Post by: ReamerPunch on November 28, 2017, 04:44:58 AM
I'm surprised Syph hasn't done an in-line chisel tool, like the Spirit's.
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Post by: Fortytwo on November 28, 2017, 10:00:54 AM
I'm surprised Syph hasn't done an in-line chisel tool, like the Spirit's.

I think part of the trouble is that titanium is not a very good material for edged tools. In the talk of the brass inserts for the marling spikes he mentions that he prefers using titanium to avoid having to do the heat treating that would be necessary for steel tools.
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Post by: Aloha on November 28, 2017, 03:29:07 PM
WOW and WOW.
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Post by: Ron Who on November 29, 2017, 06:05:33 PM
I have been eyeing these SAKs for quite a while now...  :drool: I was planning to get one in 2018, but when I saw that marlinspike I felt I had to jump on it.  :ahhh :drool: :drool:

The money´s not in my bank account yet, but my budget manager approved the deal (I love that woman!  :like:)

Anita Doth and Ray Stijngaard express my feelings in some of the very best Dutch dance music of the nineties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui0PWNp8k84

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Post by: Syph007 on December 05, 2017, 03:38:06 PM
I never thought Id be designing my own fork but here we are.  :D

Using my brass bushing idea I can make just about anything out of Ti now and have it usable.  I hade to make the tines of the fork on the short side to leave clearance for that 4th internal pin.

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Post by: ReamerPunch on December 05, 2017, 03:45:37 PM
 :like:
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Post by: Don Pablo on December 05, 2017, 04:04:29 PM
Hmph. It looks too short.  :twak:

 :like:
Cool development!
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Post by: T14 on December 05, 2017, 04:27:13 PM
I never thought Id be designing my own fork but here we are.  :D

Using my brass bushing idea I can make just about anything out of Ti now and have it usable.  I hade to make the tines of the fork on the short side to leave clearance for that 4th internal pin.

Fun!

Duke of Eatin'burg
Butterblade/combo tool/corkscrew
Fork layer

NomNomNom
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Post by: zrxoa1 on December 05, 2017, 04:48:32 PM
Could always go with two or three longer tines?  Maybe?


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Post by: Syph007 on December 05, 2017, 05:35:07 PM
Could always go with two or three longer tines?  Maybe?


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Ya it might turn into a trident.  The beauty of being able to prototype my own parts is I can just cut one and try it then tweak. 

Having a straight boring handle seems like a waste of potential too and I can't think of what to out there except hex cutouts which are only marginally useful.
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Post by: Don Pablo on December 05, 2017, 05:49:02 PM
A straight boring handle is easier to clean. :tu:

(Maybe some decorative swirls and stuff?  :think:
Maybe you could add lines or something to wick oily fluids towards the tip quicker :gimme:)
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Post by: Ron Who on December 05, 2017, 06:56:15 PM
What about a fork design like the Mikov´s? Some people put one in a SAK before.
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Post by: Syph007 on December 05, 2017, 10:03:22 PM
Today's build which is off to Germany.

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Post by: Ron Who on December 05, 2017, 10:20:52 PM
Nice! That one wouldn´t be for EDC, would it? I mean, the scales are very nice but dirt and dust will have free entrance.
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Post by: Syph007 on December 06, 2017, 04:26:18 PM
Forkyou ver 1 didnt make it to the material stage.  I changed the design to 3 tine and made it more fork like.  This one I will actually cut and test.  Its not something thats been asked for alot, I wanted one for myself on a camping sak AND I have 100 campers worth of new parts Id love to use up.  I think I'll do standard camper plus fork layer and call it a something funny.  :D

The idea with this is it will rest on the 4th pin and the top tine sticks up just enough to be able to be used as a nail nick.
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Post by: El Corkscrew on December 06, 2017, 05:03:30 PM
 :popcorn: :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on December 06, 2017, 08:52:01 PM
Just got this one done.  :D

(https://vgy.me/UWs8LK.jpg)

(https://vgy.me/cpxK8s.jpg)

(https://vgy.me/iDpuFr.jpg)

(https://vgy.me/zwFcnM.jpg)

(https://vgy.me/md4JDL.jpg)

(https://vgy.me/5GnpPo.jpg)

(https://vgy.me/uWOLL8.jpg)

(https://vgy.me/YXxfuI.jpg)
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Post by: Don Pablo on December 06, 2017, 08:58:08 PM
 :drool:
It's going to Ireland right?  :whistle:
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Post by: Syph007 on December 06, 2017, 09:05:18 PM
:drool:
It's going to Ireland right?  :whistle:

Sure via The Netherlands.  :D
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Post by: Ron Who on December 06, 2017, 09:13:48 PM
It´s beautiful! Gorgeous!  :like: :like: :like:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on December 06, 2017, 09:17:44 PM
:nanadance: :nanadance: :nanadance: :nanadance:


I do agree... :like: :gimme:
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Post by: Ron Who on December 06, 2017, 09:32:59 PM
Thanks!
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Post by: T14 on December 06, 2017, 10:18:28 PM
Nice one Ronald. Does it have a name yet?  :D
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Post by: Huntsman on December 06, 2017, 11:10:48 PM
It's going to Ireland right?  :whistle:

NO   .....    It's my prize for guessing the answer to Syph's question about the wee component

And my prize for the correct guess is ........
A custom Syph SAK with a ..... marlin spike !!      :D      :tu:      ;)
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Post by: Poncho65 on December 06, 2017, 11:30:50 PM
Very nice SAK you are getting Ronald :dd: and great job as always Syph :like:

also can't wait to see more on the fork mod :tu: :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on December 07, 2017, 01:05:55 AM
This totally looks fork like I think.

Everyone needs a CNC machine in their laundry room.  Highly recommended!  :D:D:D:D:D


(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=348280;image)

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Post by: zrxoa1 on December 07, 2017, 04:24:04 AM
That new fork you posted on Instagram looks great!!


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Post by: Ron Who on December 07, 2017, 05:32:51 AM
Nice one Ronald. Does it have a name yet?  :D

As for he tool load, this is a Camper with an extra marlin spike, so I thought Sea Camper would fit nicely. I don´t have a name yet for this particular one. i thought of The Flying Dutchman, after the famous ghost ship, but this is not a ghost, it´s real, and I have no intention of letting it fly either. Any suggestions?
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Post by: ReamerPunch on December 07, 2017, 05:35:49 AM
That new fork you posted on Instagram looks great!!

There is no spoon, though.
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Post by: ReamerPunch on December 07, 2017, 05:37:19 AM
Nice one Ronald. Does it have a name yet?  :D

As for he tool load, this is a Camper with an extra marlin spike, so I thought Sea Camper would fit nicely. I don´t have a name yet for this particular one. i thought of The Flying Dutchman, after the famous ghost ship, but this is not a ghost, it´s real, and I have no intention of letting it fly either. Any suggestions?

Seafarer?
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Post by: m47mu74nt on December 07, 2017, 05:43:02 AM
Nice one Ronald. Does it have a name yet?  :D

As for he tool load, this is a Camper with an extra marlin spike, so I thought Sea Camper would fit nicely. I don´t have a name yet for this particular one. i thought of The Flying Dutchman, after the famous ghost ship, but this is not a ghost, it´s real, and I have no intention of letting it fly either. Any suggestions?
It might fly to come at your place though  :think:
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Post by: Ron Who on December 07, 2017, 06:09:19 AM
For this particular knife I´d like a name connected to naval history.

My grandmother on the father´s side traces her lineage back to Bretagne in France. Her great great grandfather in the 18th century owned a merchant coaster. He was issued a cannon and privateer letters by the French government, officially allowing him to sink any British vessel.
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Post by: ReamerPunch on December 07, 2017, 07:30:43 AM
How about Sea-saw?  :whistle:
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Post by: m47mu74nt on December 07, 2017, 08:12:48 AM
For this particular knife I´d like a name connected to naval history.

My grandmother on the father´s side traces her lineage back to Bretagne in France. Her great great grandfather in the 18th century owned a merchant coaster. He was issued a cannon and privateer letters by the French government, officially allowing him to sink any British vessel.

 :like:
Sink the Brit's
 :oops:

Call it like a French vessel then xD
Or give it the name of your family coaster?
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on December 07, 2017, 08:44:12 AM
Le Redoutable? (It appears to have a ram spike...)
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Post by: magentus on December 07, 2017, 11:01:26 AM
For this particular knife I´d like a name connected to naval history.

My grandmother on the father´s side traces her lineage back to Bretagne in France. Her great great grandfather in the 18th century owned a merchant coaster. He was issued a cannon and privateer letters by the French government, officially allowing him to sink any British vessel.
How about 'The Enemy'?  :D
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Post by: Don Pablo on December 07, 2017, 11:11:13 AM
For this particular knife I´d like a name connected to naval history.

My grandmother on the father´s side traces her lineage back to Bretagne in France. Her great great grandfather in the 18th century owned a merchant coaster. He was issued a cannon and privateer letters by the French government, officially allowing him to sink any British vessel.
How about 'The Enemy'?  :D
Since Ireland was technically controlled by parliament back then, I'm obligated to agree.  :D
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Post by: Ron Who on December 07, 2017, 05:08:41 PM
For this particular knife I´d like a name connected to naval history.

My grandmother on the father´s side traces her lineage back to Bretagne in France. Her great great grandfather in the 18th century owned a merchant coaster. He was issued a cannon and privateer letters by the French government, officially allowing him to sink any British vessel.

 :like:
Sink the Brit's
 :oops:

Call it like a French vessel then xD
Or give it the name of your family coaster?

That name is not known to me.

I´ll opt for a simple name: The Buccaneer.
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Post by: Ron Who on December 07, 2017, 05:35:36 PM
PS I saw the new knife with fork on Instagram. I´ll be saving for next Christmas!
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Post by: m47mu74nt on December 07, 2017, 10:35:41 PM
For this particular knife I´d like a name connected to naval history.

My grandmother on the father´s side traces her lineage back to Bretagne in France. Her great great grandfather in the 18th century owned a merchant coaster. He was issued a cannon and privateer letters by the French government, officially allowing him to sink any British vessel.

 :like:
Sink the Brit's
 :oops:

Call it like a French vessel then xD
Or give it the name of your family coaster?

That name is not known to me.

I´ll opt for a simple name: The Buccaneer.
:like: :like: :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on December 07, 2017, 10:41:07 PM
PS I saw the new knife with fork on Instagram. I´ll be saving for next Christmas!

:D

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Post by: Poncho65 on December 07, 2017, 11:23:18 PM
 :o

 :like: :like:
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Post by: SteveC on December 08, 2017, 12:13:17 AM
Congrats Ronald  :cheers: :tu:

That's a beauty   :drool:
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Post by: Ron Who on December 08, 2017, 05:17:07 AM
Thanks Steve.  :cheers:
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Post by: Fast Bill on December 08, 2017, 09:19:46 AM
For this particular knife I´d like a name connected to naval history.

My grandmother on the father´s side traces her lineage back to Bretagne in France. Her great great grandfather in the 18th century owned a merchant coaster. He was issued a cannon and privateer letters by the French government, officially allowing him to sink any British vessel.

 :like:
Sink the Brit's
 :oops:

Call it like a French vessel then xD
Or give it the name of your family coaster?

That name is not known to me.

I´ll opt for a simple name: The Buccaneer.
:like: :like: :like:

+ 1  even from this side of The Channel. That's a great SAK and a great name Ronald  :cheers:
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Post by: twiliter on December 14, 2017, 12:46:26 PM
Hey Syph, a titanium comb would also be pretty cool.  :D
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Post by: Syph007 on December 14, 2017, 02:43:20 PM
Hey Syph, a titanium comb would also be pretty cool.  :D

That would be totally doable as well.
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Post by: ReamerPunch on December 14, 2017, 03:13:17 PM
 :popcorn:
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Post by: Ron Who on December 16, 2017, 04:13:28 PM
Look what arrived here just minutes ago! Thanks again, Bob!

To my big surprise this knife is not as wide as an actual Camper, even though there´s an extra layer. Weight 104.3 grams (3.68 oz).
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Post by: jaya_man on December 16, 2017, 04:19:27 PM
:like:


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Post by: Don Pablo on December 16, 2017, 04:25:07 PM
 :drool:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on December 16, 2017, 04:25:20 PM
:like: too :tu:

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Post by: Syph007 on December 16, 2017, 06:14:15 PM
Look what arrived here just minutes ago! Thanks again, Bob!

To my big surprise this knife is not as wide as an actual Camper, even though there´s an extra layer. Weight 104.3 grams (3.68 oz).

Nice!

Ya the scales I use are thinner than stock and dropping the outer liners makes a huge difference.
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Post by: Poncho65 on December 16, 2017, 07:10:44 PM
Congrats Ronald :like: and nice work Bob :dd: :like:
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Post by: ReamerPunch on December 18, 2017, 10:14:06 AM
Would a Titanium bit holder for a custom Cybertool be out of the question? Bronze could work too, right? Imagine how beautiful it would look.  :dd:
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Post by: ReamerPunch on December 18, 2017, 10:17:58 AM
What if there was also a deeper drawer, to store extra bits?  :o
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Post by: Syph007 on December 18, 2017, 12:13:10 PM
Ya that could work.  Material that thick is very expensive, thats the only downside.   Although Id have to make a bit holder from 2 halves anyhow I think and join together as Id have no way to machine hex shaped holes that deep.
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Post by: ReamerPunch on December 18, 2017, 01:56:53 PM
I have a dream that one day we won't have plastic parts in SAKs.  :salute:
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Post by: hiraethus on December 20, 2017, 10:45:43 AM
Ya that could work.  Material that thick is very expensive, thats the only downside.   Although Id have to make a bit holder from 2 halves anyhow I think and join together as Id have no way to machine hex shaped holes that deep.

You need to get a broaching machine. :pok:

Or start die casting. :pok:
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Post by: Syph007 on December 20, 2017, 02:46:15 PM
Ya that could work.  Material that thick is very expensive, thats the only downside.   Although Id have to make a bit holder from 2 halves anyhow I think and join together as Id have no way to machine hex shaped holes that deep.

You need to get a broaching machine. :pok:

Or start die casting. :pok:

Plunge EDM is the way to go if I wanted to make it one piece but I've got no interest in using 3rd party anything anymore if I can help it. 

I can machine hexes that work as hexes with 1/32 bits but I can only go about 1/4 inch deep.  That would let me make a driver but not something so deep that could store the bits.
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Post by: Syph007 on December 21, 2017, 08:19:59 PM
Ive been doing alot of brass spartans for Christmas gifts but finished up some Ti orders too.  Heres a wee champ.
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Post by: Syph007 on December 21, 2017, 08:20:47 PM
And... a yeoman :D

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Post by: SteveC on December 21, 2017, 08:25:46 PM
 :like: :tu:
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Post by: Ron Who on December 21, 2017, 08:38:41 PM
 :like: :tu: :salute:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on December 21, 2017, 09:57:56 PM
:like::like:

Especially the Champ but then I have a soft spot for these... :2tu:

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Post by: Simyo on December 22, 2017, 03:16:07 AM
Is there a reason you flip the scissors and the mag layers on the yeoman?
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Post by: jaya_man on December 22, 2017, 03:51:44 AM
Is there a reason you flip the scissors and the mag layers on the yeoman?
Maybe this can explain:

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=64069.0


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Post by: Syph007 on December 22, 2017, 05:07:44 AM
Is there a reason you flip the scissors and the mag layers on the yeoman?

Modern phillips would hit the scale.
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Post by: Simyo on December 22, 2017, 05:18:51 AM
Is there a reason you flip the scissors and the mag layers on the yeoman?
Maybe this can explain:

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=64069.0


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Is there a reason you flip the scissors and the mag layers on the yeoman?


Modern phillips would hit the scale.

Thanks guys, that makes a lot of sense I’ll have to try it out on one of my next builds.
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Post by: Aloha on December 22, 2017, 03:31:58 PM
More great work coming from the laundry room.   :salute:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on December 31, 2017, 11:43:11 AM
The talk and anticipation and the pics about the MTO Pioneer X have led to a certain craving for an Alox 93 mm SAK (colour yet to be determined, but preferably other than just silver) with a few more tools than the PX - this must be down to a predilection for the Swisschamp, I simply feel naked with too few tools on a SAK.

I'd start building from a PX (but don't - yet - want to sacrifice the MTO one soon to arrive :D). As add ons, for instance, a saw would be nice (Farmer?). Pliers, a magnifying glass and a Phillips too (the latter I'd have to source from a 91 mm model, I take it - correct?).

What I'm leaning towards is to mod the pivots to screw-fixed ones like I have seen Syph007 use. I take it the stock PX has 3 mm pivots outside and 2.5 mm inside. Does the mod maintain these sizes, or enlarge them? I have seen references to 1/8" pivots - are there alternatives (preferably sources closer to home in the EU) e.g. 3 mm (and preferably 2.5 inner)?

Sorry if these questions have been asked before, I couldn't quickly find the answers.

Edit: corrected 1/4 to 1/8" (I claim lack of familiarity with imperial units :D)
 
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Post by: Don Pablo on December 31, 2017, 11:52:40 AM
Everyone seems to use 3.2mm (1/8") screw pivots, and yes, the holes have to be expanded.  :ahhh
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Post by: hiraethus on January 02, 2018, 12:57:24 PM
What Pablo said, unless you can make your own.  In order to add the philips/magnifier layer you'll need a Pioneer blade spring, and for the pliers you'll need two Farmer saw springs.  So to make a Pioneer X + pliers + saw + philips/magnifier (Alox Deluxe Woodsman maybe?) you'll need a Pioneer X and three Farmers, plus the donor for the other tools such as a Swiss Champ...
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on January 02, 2018, 03:42:14 PM
Thanks guys :tu:

I'd better start scouting the various sources...
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Post by: Syph007 on January 02, 2018, 04:50:49 PM
What Pablo said, unless you can make your own.  In order to add the philips/magnifier layer you'll need a Pioneer blade spring, and for the pliers you'll need two Farmer saw springs.  So to make a Pioneer X + pliers + saw + philips/magnifier (Alox Deluxe Woodsman maybe?) you'll need a Pioneer X and three Farmers, plus the donor for the other tools such as a Swiss Champ...

Needing so many donors is why I don't do the 93 work anymore.
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on January 02, 2018, 07:27:25 PM
Ah... yes I thought I had noticed some tapering off of your interest for them... well, let's see.

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Post by: Syph007 on January 04, 2018, 06:17:02 PM
Compact deluxe tinker, all tumbled Ti parts and hex hole instead of cross.  :D
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Post by: Syph007 on January 04, 2018, 06:17:43 PM
And a bonus feature is the pliers hold in the hex bit.  :D

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Post by: zrxoa1 on January 04, 2018, 08:29:05 PM
Very nice!!


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Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 04, 2018, 10:38:41 PM
Nice :tu:
JR
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Post by: MusicMen on January 05, 2018, 12:10:23 AM
Another amazing knife.   :like:   :drool:   :tu:

This has probably been asked before. Where do the parts come from? Does the client send you the different knives to dis-assemble or do you have the parts to make the requested knife? Or is it a combination of yours & clients parts?
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Post by: Syph007 on January 05, 2018, 12:49:34 AM
Another amazing knife.   :like:   :drool:   :tu:

This has probably been asked before. Where do the parts come from? Does the client send you the different knives to dis-assemble or do you have the parts to make the requested knife? Or is it a combination of yours & clients parts?

I buy a buttload of new saks and rip them apart and keep the parts ready to go nicely organized in organizer bins.   :tu:
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Post by: MusicMen on January 05, 2018, 03:23:23 AM
Another amazing knife.   :like:   :drool:   :tu:

This has probably been asked before. Where do the parts come from? Does the client send you the different knives to dis-assemble or do you have the parts to make the requested knife? Or is it a combination of yours & clients parts?

I buy a buttload of new saks and rip them apart and keep the parts ready to go nicely organized in organizer bins.   :tu:
Thanks! I appreciate the info. I keep looking at your amazing magnificent work and thinking about my perfect knife.
You sir, are a gem among gems. A  :hatsoff: to you.
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on January 05, 2018, 10:29:36 AM
What Pablo said, unless you can make your own.  In order to add the philips/magnifier layer you'll need a Pioneer blade spring, and for the pliers you'll need two Farmer saw springs.  So to make a Pioneer X + pliers + saw + philips/magnifier (Alox Deluxe Woodsman maybe?) you'll need a Pioneer X and three Farmers, plus the donor for the other tools such as a Swiss Champ...

Building further on this as yet unnamed (but thanks for the suggestion hiraeuthus :tu:) concept, I have a few questions:

1. What would it take to add a long file (not the short Cadet file)? (Are there specific long 93 mm files from models that have run out? Can 91 mm files be adapted (easily)? I take it (yet) another (Farmer) back spring would be required?)
2. I believe I have read that the commercially available 1/8" pivots are 1/2" in length max. I also believe I might be going over that mark, with what I'm planning. Would I have / be able to join two pivots lengthwise? Would the result still be strong enough?
3. Has anyone been able to add back tools to a 93 mm model? Just toying with the idea for things like a corkscrew and chisel. However, this does seem non-trivial :D.
4. The electrician blade, is that the same tang width as the openers and normal small blade?

Thanks in advance :D
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Post by: hiraethus on January 05, 2018, 10:44:38 AM
Building further on this as yet unnamed (but thanks for the suggestion hiraeuthus :tu:) concept, I have a few questions:

1. What would it take to add a long file (not the short Cadet file)? (Are there specific long 93 mm files from models that have run out? Can 91 mm files be adapted (easily)? I take it (yet) another (Farmer) back spring would be required?)
2. I believe I have read that the commercially available 1/8" pivots are 1/2" in length max. I also believe I might be going over that mark, with what I'm planning. Would I have / be able to join two pivots lengthwise? Would the result still be strong enough?
3. Has anyone been able to add back tools to a 93 mm model? Just toying with the idea for things like a corkscrew and chisel. However, this does seem non-trivial :D.
4. The electrician blade, is that the same tang width as the openers and normal small blade?

Thanks in advance :D

1. Just enlarge the pivot hole on a 91mm file.  It drops straight in place of the Farmer saw.  Yes, you'd need another saw spring.
2. Yes, you can join 2 pivots.  Use a long screw so it bridges the join.  You may need to smooth the joint using sandpaper.
3.  Not possible.  You need the fourth hidden pin for the backtools to work.  Better off putting alox/Ti/whatever scales on a 91mm SAK (as Syph now does)
4.  I'm not sure.  IIRC, it's thinner than the openers but might be slightly thicker than the 91mm small blade.  You get a spacer next to it in the Electrician, and making a new one from the right thickness material is fairly easy.  You'll need to bend it a bit if you fit it in place of the awl, unless you can find on from a 84mm celidor Electrician.
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on January 05, 2018, 11:31:19 AM
Great, thanks hiarethus  :cheers:
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Post by: shibafu on January 05, 2018, 12:44:23 PM
Everyone seems to use 3.2mm (1/8") screw pivots, and yes, the holes have to be expanded.  :ahhh

I made my own screw pivots in the standard sizes by drilling and tapping brass rods.  The trick to drill the rod on a drill press is to chuck the rod in the drill, and mount the drill bit upside down in a drill vice or another chuck.  spinning the workpiece instead of the drill bit helps keep the hole centred.
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Post by: MusicMen on January 05, 2018, 01:16:26 PM

I made my own screw pivots in the standard sizes by drilling and tapping brass rods.  The trick to drill the rod on a drill press is to chuck the rod in the drill, and mount the drill bit upside down in a drill vice or another chuck.  spinning the workpiece instead of the drill bit helps keep the hole centred.
Very interesting reversing the stock and drill.   :tu:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on January 05, 2018, 02:21:49 PM
Indeed. Shibafu, what kind of brass did you use and would this be strong enough (being hollow)? Would these rods be available in stainless steel, maybe as tube stock material (preferably with the correct inner hole diameter of course :D)...
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Post by: jaya_man on January 05, 2018, 02:25:16 PM
Is brass strong enough to hold the screws?


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Post by: hiraethus on January 05, 2018, 02:40:12 PM
Brass should be fine.  I've made around a dozen sets of brass pivots for SAKs by drilling 3mm rod (in a lathe - I need to try shibafu's method) and not broken one yet.  Make sure the screws are as long as possible so as to give the brass tube maximum support.  If you were to really crank down on the screws it'd be about evens as to whether the brass thread stripped or you rounded out the screw head.

I've only found 3mm stainless tube in 316 grade which is no good for pivots.  You want 400 series so it can be heat treated or 301/302/304 in spring temper - which are only available in rod/wire.  The properties that make a grade of stainless suitable for drawing into a tube make it unsuitable as a bearing.
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Post by: hiraethus on January 05, 2018, 02:48:21 PM
Oh, and I think the grade of brass I've used is half-hard CZ121.
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on January 05, 2018, 05:51:55 PM
OK, thanks again  :cheers:

It'll be a while until I have all the bits but once I get going I might will post progress reports and results.
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Post by: twiliter on January 07, 2018, 02:54:00 PM
Syph, since you are making custom Ti tools, would it be possible to make a chisel/scraper like the Spirit to fit a 91/93mm? Also wondering about how the edge would hold up.
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Post by: m47mu74nt on January 07, 2018, 04:26:15 PM
Syph, since you are making custom Ti tools, would it be possible to make a chisel/scraper like the Spirit to fit a 91/93mm? Also wondering about how the edge would hold up.

depends on what you want to scrape  :whistle:
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Post by: Syph007 on January 07, 2018, 04:44:54 PM
Syph, since you are making custom Ti tools, would it be possible to make a chisel/scraper like the Spirit to fit a 91/93mm? Also wondering about how the edge would hold up.

depends on what you want to scrape  :whistle:

The edge would be durable, but in now way be able to retain a shaving sharp edge or anything.  it would quickly round over and pretty much stay that way.
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Post by: m47mu74nt on January 07, 2018, 04:50:13 PM
The edge would be durable, but in now way be able to retain a shaving sharp edge or anything.  it would quickly round over and pretty much stay that way.
+1
I use a small 'sharp' Ti piece to open boxes, works perfect to perforate tape. But it can't be razor sharp (which is perfect to open things without opening a finger in the way  :facepalm: )
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Post by: Syph007 on January 07, 2018, 04:57:50 PM
The edge would be durable, but in now way be able to retain a shaving sharp edge or anything.  it would quickly round over and pretty much stay that way.
+1
I use a small 'sharp' Ti piece to open boxes, works perfect to perforate tape. But it can't be razor sharp (which is perfect to open things without opening a finger in the way  :facepalm: )

A chisel edge can have the back flat part carbidized though to try to maintain somewhat of an edge.  The soft Ti is worn away leaving a sharp edge just like how a beaver tooth stays sharp.  I've never tested this but in told it works.
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Post by: Simyo on January 09, 2018, 01:21:34 AM
I’m assuming you’re not going to be using a hammer on the opposite end of the chisel?
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Post by: Syph007 on January 09, 2018, 08:39:47 PM
Boyscout explorer with Fleur-de-lis.  :D
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Post by: Ron Who on January 09, 2018, 09:20:28 PM
Very nicely done the boyscout logo  :like: :like:
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Post by: Don Pablo on January 09, 2018, 09:48:02 PM
 :o
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Post by: pa_strunk on January 11, 2018, 12:44:16 AM
 :like this a lot!!!
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Post by: ReamerPunch on January 11, 2018, 06:36:42 AM
I hope that lucky scout can realize what a piece that is.  :like:
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Post by: Don Pablo on January 11, 2018, 12:41:58 PM
I hope that lucky scout can realize what a piece that is.  :like:
I'm a scout, can I have it?  :angel:
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Post by: twiliter on January 12, 2018, 11:02:23 AM
I like the Fleur de Lis, reminds me of Firenze.  :dd:
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Post by: Syph007 on January 13, 2018, 08:55:31 PM
After 1.5 years of constant running my Tormach had an issue today. Spindle wouldn't start up and the main controller was thowing a hardware fault.  I called support and had help in about 30 minutes.  They determined I needed a new controller part (approx $400-500 ish) since im past the year warranty.  However they decided to send me one for free since they said it must be a hardware issue and not something Id done to the controller so they are sending me a free one as long as I send them the broken one back for analysis.  I can't complain about that service!  This is why you buy a machine from a company that will still be around in a year to help you.  :salute:

Compact super tinker today.  Still a very popular model.

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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on January 13, 2018, 08:59:18 PM
You are a fortunate man Syph. There are quite a few vendors who would not have been so generous, I gather...

Nice knife :dd:
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Post by: Barry Rowland on January 13, 2018, 11:40:06 PM
Gorgeous knife!!
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Post by: Poncho65 on January 14, 2018, 03:21:31 AM
Glad they stood behind their product :tu: They have been in business for a good long while and things like that will keep them in business for a long time yet as well :like: :like:

Some sweet knives as well :dd: :like:
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Post by: ReamerPunch on January 14, 2018, 03:59:22 AM
Great customer service.  :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on January 16, 2018, 02:49:27 PM
Great customer service.  :tu:

For sure.  I got a shipping notice the part will be here tomorrow!  Let's hope it's an easy swap and I'm back to running. 
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Post by: Syph007 on January 20, 2018, 01:49:11 AM
I started this thread exactly 6 years ago tomorrow.  :D   

No where close to running out of ideas so Im good for another decade or so.  :D
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Post by: zrxoa1 on January 20, 2018, 04:13:23 AM
I started this thread exactly 6 years ago tomorrow.  :D   

No where close to running out of ideas so Im good for another decade or so.  :D


:tu:


One of these days I’ll have one of your creations!!




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Post by: Monrogue on January 20, 2018, 04:39:27 AM
I started this thread exactly 6 years ago tomorrow.  :D   

No where close to running out of ideas so Im good for another decade or so.  :D
:salute:
Great thread for the great work you do man!

Proud SAKMC member :)

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Post by: magentus on January 20, 2018, 09:28:07 AM
Happy mod birthday syph!  :cheers: you're an inspiration  :salute:
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Post by: Don Pablo on January 20, 2018, 10:19:16 AM
Happy half-decade!  :cheers: :drink:
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Post by: Ron Who on January 20, 2018, 10:47:35 AM
Happy half-decade!  :cheers: :drink:

That would have been last year  :D
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Post by: Don Pablo on January 20, 2018, 10:56:15 AM
Happy half-decade!  :cheers: :drink:

That would have been last year  :D
Happy half-dozen then!  :cheers:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on January 20, 2018, 11:42:10 AM
Happy mod birthday Syph :2tu:

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/67/7e/e5/677ee56315ee2c1767a842fbad424fd5--fun-birthday-cakes-birthday-ideas.jpg)

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Post by: Mimifred on January 20, 2018, 11:25:18 PM
Where can I find one of those black spartan with red liners ? They look so awesome...
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on January 21, 2018, 11:21:09 AM
Syph007 makes these. His contact details are in his signature a few posts up from here...
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Post by: Syph007 on January 22, 2018, 05:11:23 PM
Compact deluxe tinker.  :D

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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on January 22, 2018, 05:24:30 PM
 :like:
Nice subdued, almost stealthy look with those grey liners. How were these made - anodised?

PS did the repairs go well?
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Post by: WWW on January 22, 2018, 07:35:30 PM
:like:
Nice subdued, almost stealthy look with those grey liners. How were these made - anodised?

PS did the repairs go well?

I believe they're tumbled sandblasted.

Can not, at the moment, give further information on the status on Syph's machine, as it belongs to him and not me.
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Post by: Syph007 on January 22, 2018, 07:54:55 PM
:like:
Nice subdued, almost stealthy look with those grey liners. How were these made - anodised?

PS did the repairs go well?

Tumbled in cermics makes Ti go dark like that.  Really durable finish too since it surface hardens the Ti.

It was only a 10 minute job to swap in the new controller part and I was back up and running.  It must be a newer model as it has better control than the old one.  When I turned off the spindle before it would free spin for about a half minute but now it stops almost immediately.  Probably a safety upgrade.
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on January 22, 2018, 08:00:21 PM
Thanks on both counts, Syph :cheers:

Ti liners too, I take it... wow... :dd:
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Post by: Syph007 on January 22, 2018, 08:04:24 PM
Thanks on both counts, Syph :cheers:

Ti liners too, I take it... wow... :dd:

Yep Ti liners.  This one is heading over to Thailand!  I like shipping saks all over the place.  :D  I wish I would have kept a map showing each location Ive shipped to in the last 6 yrs.  Every continent except Antarctica. 
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Post by: WWW on January 22, 2018, 11:32:21 PM
:like:
Nice subdued, almost stealthy look with those grey liners. How were these made - anodised?

PS did the repairs go well?

Tumbled in cermics makes Ti go dark like that.  Really durable finish too since it surface hardens the Ti.

It was only a 10 minute job to swap in the new controller part and I was back up and running.  It must be a newer model as it has better control than the old one.  When I turned off the spindle before it would free spin for about a half minute but now it stops almost immediately.  Probably a safety upgrade.

I had thought you were only doing sandblasting, due to the time it took to tumble.  ???

Sorry for the wrong info Dutch_Tooler! :P
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Post by: ironraven on January 23, 2018, 04:01:19 AM
That is one sexy knife, Syph.
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on January 23, 2018, 06:40:42 AM
:like:
Nice subdued, almost stealthy look with those grey liners. How were these made - anodised?

PS did the repairs go well?

Tumbled in cermics makes Ti go dark like that.  Really durable finish too since it surface hardens the Ti.

It was only a 10 minute job to swap in the new controller part and I was back up and running.  It must be a newer model as it has better control than the old one.  When I turned off the spindle before it would free spin for about a half minute but now it stops almost immediately.  Probably a safety upgrade.

I had thought you were only doing sandblasting, due to the time it took to tumble.  ???

Sorry for the wrong info Dutch_Tooler! :P

No worries WWW  8)
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Post by: Syph007 on January 24, 2018, 08:27:32 PM
I did a new mod today... no really I did and it was on a 93mm

Customers asked if I can put a mag glass in place of can opener.  I said nope its too wide... then I thought well the glass part isnt as wide as the tool...hmmm could I make a smaller brass mag holder to work?  Turns out yes.  Only caveat is that i had to put that layer in the middle so the nicks were accessible but since the can opener is banished that layer didnt need to be on the outer edge any longer.

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Post by: Syph007 on January 24, 2018, 08:28:13 PM
Couple more.

Now what to call a pioneer x with magnifier in place of can opener?  Not really an explorer variant since it has no phillips.  So maybe the Pioneer Sleuth?
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on January 24, 2018, 08:50:10 PM
Couple more.

Now what to call a pioneer x with magnifier in place of can opener?  Not really an explorer variant since it has no phillips.  So maybe the Pioneer Sleuth?
:like:
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Post by: zrxoa1 on January 24, 2018, 09:11:47 PM
Very nice!!!

I am another that has no use for a can opener. I like the screwdriver blade on the opener though. I need to find someone (hint hint) that could make a tool to go in that place that is a sturdy screwdriver with the side of said tool turned into a nail file. That would probably be my perfect tool. A Pioneer X with file/screwdriver replacing the can opener/screwdriver.




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Post by: ReamerPunch on January 25, 2018, 01:30:20 PM
It hurts to see all these beautiful mods and innovations.  :like:
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Post by: hiraethus on January 25, 2018, 01:33:27 PM
That's a good one Syph. :like:
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Post by: microbe on January 25, 2018, 01:48:48 PM
Couple more.

Now what to call a pioneer x with magnifier in place of can opener?  Not really an explorer variant since it has no phillips.  So maybe the Pioneer Sleuth?

Pioneer CSI

Crime Scene Investigator
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Post by: zrxoa1 on January 25, 2018, 02:33:44 PM
Couple more.

Now what to call a pioneer x with magnifier in place of can opener?  Not really an explorer variant since it has no phillips.  So maybe the Pioneer Sleuth?

Pioneer CSI

Crime Scene Investigator


I like that!!

:tu:




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Post by: Syph007 on January 25, 2018, 03:55:30 PM
Swiss champ with tumbled Ti liners and scales.  Pruner blade, mokume cross and scale drawer.  Full loaded. :D
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on January 25, 2018, 04:12:26 PM
Swiss champ with tumbled Ti liners and scales.  Pruner blade, mokume cross and scale drawer.  Full loaded. :D

 :drool: :like:

:nanadance: :nanadance:
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Post by: Huntsman on January 25, 2018, 10:15:08 PM
Swiss champ with tumbled Ti liners and scales.  Pruner blade, mokume cross and scale drawer.  Full loaded. ??? ???

But nobody ever wants the Fish Scaler - For the width of the blade I'd always be tempted to include it!
I have found it very useful a couple of times.
Note to self: Make post to get badge!!

The tool I'd be tempted to drop would be the pliers - Although if I was going for a Champ - You might as well keep them too - What's another 3mm   ???  ;)
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Post by: Fortytwo on January 25, 2018, 11:09:39 PM
Swiss champ with tumbled Ti liners and scales.  Pruner blade, mokume cross and scale drawer.  Full loaded. :D

Does the pruner blade need any work to fit in place of the small blade? Your knives keep improving nicely!
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Post by: Syph007 on January 26, 2018, 03:42:19 AM
Swiss champ with tumbled Ti liners and scales.  Pruner blade, mokume cross and scale drawer.  Full loaded. :D

Does the pruner blade need any work to fit in place of the small blade? Your knives keep improving nicely!

The blade doesn't need altering but the spacer beside it is thinner than normal that's all.
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Post by: jaya_man on January 26, 2018, 08:26:45 AM
Couple more.

Now what to call a pioneer x with magnifier in place of can opener?  Not really an explorer variant since it has no phillips.  So maybe the Pioneer Sleuth?
Love the Pioneer Sleuth :like:


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Post by: Syph007 on January 27, 2018, 12:40:51 AM
These little guys slip in here and there... pesky 58s!
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Post by: Don Pablo on January 27, 2018, 01:11:50 AM
 :drool:
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Post by: AlephZero on January 27, 2018, 06:10:24 PM
So is there any way to put an electrician blade on a 91mm?
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Post by: Syph007 on January 27, 2018, 09:29:38 PM
So is there any way to put an electrician blade on a 91mm?

Yes they fit fine in place of small blade.
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Post by: Syph007 on January 29, 2018, 09:10:35 PM
All brass pioneer with engraving plate.  :D

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Post by: Mechanickal on January 29, 2018, 09:41:54 PM
Diggin' that! 8)
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Post by: Huntsman on January 30, 2018, 03:03:55 AM
That keyring holder looks very wide and a bit unusual/wrong   :think:

I know you make the liner and awl spacer/blade rest insert as one piece - However is that one the same width as a regular spacer+liner ???
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Post by: Syph007 on January 30, 2018, 05:05:48 PM
That keyring holder looks very wide and a bit unusual/wrong   :think:

I know you make the liner and awl spacer/blade rest insert as one piece - However is that one the same width as a regular spacer+liner ???

Yes identical in width.  0.07"  Only the part where the ring goes though is full thickness. Much stronger this way especially in brass around the keyring area.  Much nicer on the palm as well, smooth and not bitey.  Bascailly better in all possible ways. :D
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Post by: Huntsman on January 30, 2018, 11:02:50 PM
Got it - Thanks     :tu:
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on January 31, 2018, 08:19:43 AM
All brass pioneer.......... :think:

If I could afford any of these beauties I would have one hell of a time picking........but that Pioneer would be close to the top of the list  :salute:
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Post by: Syph007 on February 07, 2018, 11:16:48 PM
Im liking this tumbled diamond texture alot lately.  It wears very well since well its already pre-worn in a way.

:D
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Post by: Syph007 on February 07, 2018, 11:17:55 PM
And today we also have a 2 tool SAK.  Yes it JUST barely qualifies as a multitool with 2 tools.  :D
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Post by: Syph007 on February 07, 2018, 11:19:29 PM
And last one today is a skeltonized compact tinker.
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Post by: SteveC on February 08, 2018, 12:15:28 AM
Nice ones Syph !   I really like the tumbled finish as well    :like: :tu:
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Post by: jaya_man on February 08, 2018, 01:57:41 AM
The Diamond tumbled finish has got to be my fave... :drool:


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Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 08, 2018, 01:59:54 AM
Nice! That skeltonized is pretty cool, the only thing that keeps me thinking on it is pocket lint..
JR
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Post by: Syph007 on February 08, 2018, 04:24:48 PM
Nice! That skeltonized is pretty cool, the only thing that keeps me thinking on it is pocket lint..
JR

Normal saks have that issue too, at least these scale make it easier to clean out.  Just vacuum or run hot water through.
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 08, 2018, 06:40:54 PM
Nice! That skeltonized is pretty cool, the only thing that keeps me thinking on it is pocket lint..
JR

Normal saks have that issue too, at least these scale make it easier to clean out.  Just vacuum or run hot water through.
Lol, true..
JR
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Post by: Syph007 on February 15, 2018, 10:57:50 PM
Been busy working on a line of pens and fidget spinner... not... lol.  3 SAKs today.

First up just a tinker. 
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Post by: Syph007 on February 15, 2018, 10:59:05 PM
2nd was a climber.  Ti liners and scales and engraving under corkscrew.

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Post by: Syph007 on February 15, 2018, 11:00:08 PM
And last, going by standard nomenclature this would be Pioneer rancher x.

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Post by: Syph007 on February 16, 2018, 08:26:47 PM
New part time again, this time Im working on a comb that can work with the saw layer backspring.  The part that hits the rest area and nail nick needs some more thought still though, but over all it should work.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=358632;image)

In other news Im doing an interview with the site knifenews that should be published next week.  :tu:  They want to know all about custom SAKs.  :D
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Post by: magentus on February 16, 2018, 08:28:52 PM
Nice design and congrats on yuour interview Syph - is this your first?  :cheers:
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Post by: hiraethus on February 16, 2018, 10:22:15 PM
2nd was a climber.  Ti liners and scales and engraving under corkscrew.

Sweet FA! ;)
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Post by: Monrogue on February 17, 2018, 03:05:30 AM
Nice Syph, congrats on the interview!

Proud SAKMC member :)

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Post by: jaya_man on February 17, 2018, 03:53:44 AM
Congarts Syph... :drink:


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Post by: TennTexan on February 17, 2018, 04:47:40 AM
New part time again, this time Im working on a comb that can work with the saw layer backspring.  The part that hits the rest area and nail nick needs some more thought still though, but over all it should work.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=358632;image)

In other news Im doing an interview with the site knifenews that should be published next week.  :tu:  They want to know all about custom SAKs.  :D
The comb looks fantastic!  Can't wait to see the finished product!
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Post by: ironraven on February 19, 2018, 01:33:09 AM
Congrats, Syph! Let us know when it's up- we'll leave all kind of helpful, supporting commentary and character references in the comments.  :angel:
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Post by: Syph007 on February 19, 2018, 05:01:24 PM
Congrats, Syph! Let us know when it's up- we'll leave all kind of helpful, supporting commentary and character references in the comments.  :angel:

They said the interview will be live sometime this week.   :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on February 19, 2018, 05:13:14 PM
Fancy yeoman! :D
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 19, 2018, 05:31:55 PM
Nice, is it a fox or a ferret?
JR
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Post by: Ron Who on February 19, 2018, 06:19:18 PM
Looks like a wolverine to me.  :like:
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Post by: SteveC on February 19, 2018, 09:00:24 PM
looks like an otter
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Post by: pa_strunk on February 20, 2018, 12:32:19 AM
I vote ferret, but if you'll come up with an "angry honey badger" I'll be buying.  :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on February 20, 2018, 02:22:30 AM
I vote ferret, but if you'll come up with an "angry honey badger" I'll be buying.  :tu:

From the customer "it is actually a stoat (or ermine). It is a symbol of my native Brittany. It means "rather death than dishonour"."
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Post by: Lardlad on February 20, 2018, 04:17:49 PM
That's a beautiful knife.
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Post by: Fast Bill on February 20, 2018, 11:04:25 PM
That's a beautiful knife.

+1 Very tasteful Yeoman
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Post by: Barry Rowland on February 21, 2018, 03:15:29 AM
+2!!   :like: :drool:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on February 21, 2018, 08:07:39 AM
 :like: a lot!
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Post by: Syph007 on February 21, 2018, 07:05:05 PM
Story went live.   :tu:

http://knifenews.com/modder-elevates-popular-swiss-army-knife-platform/
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on February 21, 2018, 07:34:46 PM
Nice and informative article  tu:
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Post by: Ron Who on February 21, 2018, 07:42:47 PM
 :like:
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Post by: Reinier on February 21, 2018, 08:17:02 PM
Cool :)
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Post by: WWW on February 21, 2018, 11:22:26 PM
 Always glad to hear about our members outside the forum!  :salute:
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Post by: jaya_man on February 22, 2018, 02:26:42 AM
Happy 6th Anniversary Syph... may you have more anniversaries to come...


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Post by: Huntsman on February 22, 2018, 04:01:16 AM
Great article Mr. Lessard.- I really like what they, or you, did to that first photo - Very nice!!

Here's to a large spike in the order book!   :salute:

One minor gripe with the article:
"He takes the basic chassis provided in off-the-shelf Victorinox models and turns them into unique, customized pocket tools"

To me - It's the chassis that you throw away - ie the frame - which is the liners, scales and construction method ie the pins!!
I would have said "He takes the tools provided......"
But I guess chassis could mean the springs and tools   ???   - But no harm done, as it's clear what you do, once you have read the article  :pok:

Oh and a shame we did  not get one more shot of one of your "monstrosities"    :tu:    :D
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Post by: Monrogue on February 23, 2018, 03:18:32 AM
Nice article Syph, and well deserved attention for your excellent work :cheers:

Proud SAKMC member :)

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Post by: pa_strunk on February 23, 2018, 04:27:19 AM
 :salute:
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Post by: Syph007 on February 23, 2018, 04:36:58 PM
If you've been following my moddin' since the early days you might remember I did a donation to knife rights way back in 2013.

http://us.kniferights.org/2013prizes/lessard2013.htm

Doug Ritter who runs knife rights asked if Id be willing to contribute again this year.  My last one was before I even had a CNC machine and did everything with files and sandpaper! 

So I eagerly said yes and will have to come up with something fancy to donate for 2018.  Note they are also working with whomever they can to address the new Canadian border ridiculousness on 'fickable knives'  While this doesn't effect me with SAK work, its absolutely something I want to support in any way I can.  :tu:

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Post by: Wspeed on February 23, 2018, 05:19:03 PM
Wow love what you have done to your alox knife Syph007  :drool: :drool:
Those screws are like they where made for the knife
And that knife making web site is excellent :like: :tu:
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Post by: TennTexan on February 23, 2018, 06:30:39 PM
If you've been following my moddin' since the early days you might remember I did a donation to knife rights way back in 2013.

http://us.kniferights.org/2013prizes/lessard2013.htm

Doug Ritter who runs knife rights asked if Id be willing to contribute again this year.  My last one was before I even had a CNC machine and did everything with files and sandpaper! 

So I eagerly said yes and will have to come up with something fancy to donate for 2018.  Note they are also working with whomever they can to address the new Canadian border ridiculousness on 'fickable knives'  While this doesn't effect me with SAK work, its absolutely something I want to support in any way I can.  :tu:
Knife Rights is such a great organization.  I've met and chatted with Doug many times, and he's a great guy who is truly passionate about changing knife laws for the better.  Todd Rathner, their lobbyist, is a good friend of mine who single-handedly got switchblades and other previously-illegal knives legalized in Texas and all across the United States.  I'm sure you'll come up with something amazing to contribute, Robert!
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Post by: TennTexan on February 23, 2018, 07:29:32 PM
And last, going by standard nomenclature this would be Pioneer rancher x.
Love the pruner blade opposite the cap lifter!
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Post by: schiesz on February 26, 2018, 05:53:53 AM
Wow!  I saw a picture of one if the skeletonized Ti compacts on Facebook and shot Robert an email last week.  Now, this weekend I found this thread, and just got through the whole thing.  Its a bit funny, I think in the last 72 hours I've gone through at least three different models and at least a dozen different tool configurations as my preference, as he went from Alox 93mm to primarily Ti 91mm and all the new ideas and models he came up with over the last 6 years.

Now I'm not even sure WHAT I would want exactly.  Guess I need to rotate my current stock and see what makes the cut (and what I'm missing).



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Post by: zoidberg on February 26, 2018, 06:55:09 AM
Welcome to the boards schiesz.   :cheers:
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Post by: Don Pablo on February 26, 2018, 11:14:22 AM
Hi! :waving:
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Post by: Poncho65 on February 26, 2018, 12:14:36 PM
More beautiful work Syph :like: :like: :drool: Big congrats on the interview as well :tu: :like:

:nanadance:       :nanadance:
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Post by: Poncho65 on February 26, 2018, 12:15:41 PM
Welcome to the boards schiesz.   :cheers:

+1 Welcome to :MTO: :cheers:
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Post by: Syph007 on February 26, 2018, 03:54:03 PM
Wow!  I saw a picture of one if the skeletonized Ti compacts on Facebook and shot Robert an email last week.  Now, this weekend I found this thread, and just got through the whole thing.  Its a bit funny, I think in the last 72 hours I've gone through at least three different models and at least a dozen different tool configurations as my preference, as he went from Alox 93mm to primarily Ti 91mm and all the new ideas and models he came up with over the last 6 years.

Now I'm not even sure WHAT I would want exactly.  Guess I need to rotate my current stock and see what makes the cut (and what I'm missing).

Ya its been an adventure for sure.  I started with alox since there was such a demand for scissors on alox back then.  Once Vic got around to adding scissors I moved on to Ti 91s which has worked out marvelously.  Ti trumps alox in every way except for number of colors, but the durability is a big win.
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Post by: Syph007 on February 28, 2018, 09:21:19 PM
Old school scientist with brass mag.  :D

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Post by: Syph007 on February 28, 2018, 09:22:10 PM
Aaaand another Pioneer Sleuth. 
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Post by: magentus on February 28, 2018, 09:23:39 PM
Pioneer Sleuth  :ahhh Mag smurfin nificant!
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Post by: Wspeed on February 28, 2018, 09:30:36 PM
Aaaand another Pioneer Sleuth. 
Wow I love your work I have to say it again Wow  :tu: :drool:
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Post by: Fast Bill on February 28, 2018, 10:40:28 PM
Old school scientist with brass mag.  :D

 :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on March 11, 2018, 10:49:04 PM
I havent done a bare polished finish in awhile, but here we go.

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Post by: Wspeed on March 11, 2018, 10:54:37 PM
I havent done a bare polished finish in awhile, but here we go.


loving your excellent work Syph  :tu: :like: :like:
Would love to own one of your custom knives one day  :tu: :like:

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Post by: Monrogue on March 12, 2018, 03:23:24 AM
I havent done a bare polished finish in awhile, but here we go.
That's almost like a mirror, nice :tu:

Proud SAKMC member :)

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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on March 12, 2018, 08:21:01 AM
Oh, wow, Syph, that's beautiful! How scratch-proof would that be, though?
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Post by: Poncho65 on March 12, 2018, 10:55:58 AM
Some more awesome modding :dd: :like: I always love these pics and they always looks so nice :drool: :like: :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on March 16, 2018, 10:16:16 PM
I forgot to post this little one.  :D

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Post by: Wspeed on March 16, 2018, 10:20:47 PM
I forgot to post this little one.  :D


Wow Syph that's one gorgeous work of art  :drool:  :drool: :drool: :gimme:
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Post by: Syph007 on March 16, 2018, 10:25:41 PM
Functional scale engravings!
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 16, 2018, 11:40:25 PM
Really nice on the measuring scales!
JR
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Post by: Wspeed on March 16, 2018, 11:50:28 PM
Functional scale engravings!
That really looks amazing  :tu: :gimme: :gimme:
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Post by: Syph007 on March 18, 2018, 06:53:44 PM
Latest random thing Im trying to cut are gears from brass sheet.  Will it work?  WTF do I need these for?

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Post by: Wspeed on March 18, 2018, 07:03:55 PM
Latest random thing Im trying to cut are gears from brass sheet.  Will it work?  WTF do I need these for?


Please tell  :popcorn:
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Post by: willfcc on March 18, 2018, 09:47:33 PM
Steampunk Scales?


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Post by: hiraethus on March 18, 2018, 09:50:54 PM
I forgot to post this little one.  :D

smurf!
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Post by: Marc_in_NS on March 19, 2018, 02:43:18 AM
Latest random thing Im trying to cut are gears from brass sheet.  Will it work?  WTF do I need these for?



I am not sure what you want them for. But a good source of brass gears is the pocket watch for parts area...thousands he fleebay
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Post by: Syph007 on March 19, 2018, 11:57:26 PM
Playing with an idea today.  Copper outside and Ti for the inner structural part.

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Post by: Syph007 on March 19, 2018, 11:58:27 PM
Peened the Ti rivet heads, sanded flush and polished.

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Post by: Don Pablo on March 19, 2018, 11:59:58 PM
 :drool:
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Post by: Wspeed on March 20, 2018, 12:23:02 AM
:drool:
+1  :drool: :drool:
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 20, 2018, 12:40:10 AM
Oh slick!
JR
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Post by: Marc_in_NS on March 20, 2018, 01:16:27 AM
Okay Robert, i’ll Be the lab rat, you can make my Ranger Mod out of this material... :)

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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on March 20, 2018, 08:05:07 AM
That looks very nice Syph :tu:
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Post by: Monrogue on March 20, 2018, 02:28:03 PM
That's a neat idea!

Proud SAKMC member :)

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Post by: Syph007 on March 20, 2018, 09:58:32 PM
Another CT.  Lots of the big ones lately.  :D

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Post by: Wspeed on March 20, 2018, 10:10:24 PM
Wow they just keep on getting more  :drool: :drool: :drool:
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Post by: SteveC on March 20, 2018, 10:33:05 PM
Love the new cross ! 
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Post by: pa_strunk on March 21, 2018, 01:42:38 AM
That looks familiar and is still the best cybertool lite plus on the planet  :tu:
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Post by: ThePeacent on March 21, 2018, 03:48:54 PM
That looks familiar and is still the best cybertool lite plus on the planet  :tu:

agree  :drool: :like: :like:
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Post by: TennTexan on March 27, 2018, 08:31:02 PM
Another CT.  Lots of the big ones lately.  :D
Beautiful work as always, Syph!
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Post by: Syph007 on March 27, 2018, 08:36:33 PM
I got something new today... no really....







Honest!






I really do!






Poeple love the pioneer frame but wish they could have scale tools too....






So.....






Here is my prototype pioneer X with fold out drawer.  :D

It had to go on the front scales since the fold over inline awl would block it on the back.  Works fine though.

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Post by: Wspeed on March 27, 2018, 08:52:31 PM
I love my PioneerX but that's just the ultimate PX  :drool: :gimme:
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Post by: Huntsman on March 28, 2018, 12:01:01 AM
Now that is one great step forward for mankind :cheers:

Seriously - It fixes one of my big beefs re the 93mm range   :pok:

EDIT: And the inlayed cross still works OK ??? - That bit must be a bit thin now...
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Post by: zrxoa1 on March 28, 2018, 01:29:07 AM
Where do I send my money and how much??!!


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Post by: El Corkscrew on March 28, 2018, 02:36:31 AM
mind. blown.(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/shocked/jaw-drop-smiley-emoticon.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/)
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Post by: Marc_in_NS on March 28, 2018, 03:22:44 AM
Well done Robert, you’ve been working on that one for some time. Perseverance pays...well hopefully hehe
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on March 28, 2018, 08:01:17 AM
That must be the ultimate PX   :o  :ahhh :2tu:
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Post by: Don Pablo on March 28, 2018, 08:51:41 AM
mind. blown.(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/shocked/jaw-drop-smiley-emoticon.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/)
+1 yes.  :ahhh
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Post by: lister on March 29, 2018, 11:28:04 AM
Nice!  :climber:
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Post by: Syph007 on March 29, 2018, 04:36:59 PM
I finally passed 1000 subscribers on youtube.  It only matters as it allows me to get a named URL instead of some random characters for a channel name.  So I grabbed  www.youtube.com/robertjlessard

I guess I better start posting more videos.  Im thinking maybe a head mounted camera and just film some of the daily things I do like parts finishing and give tips on what I learned over the past 6 years.  I still dont want to be on camera though, Im not TV pretty.    :D
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Post by: El Corkscrew on March 29, 2018, 04:43:28 PM
Congrats on reaching the milestone!  :tu:  :like:
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Post by: Demel on March 29, 2018, 04:47:47 PM
I got something new today... no really....







Honest!






I really do!






Poeple love the pioneer frame but wish they could have scale tools too....






So.....






Here is my prototype pioneer X with fold out drawer.  :D

It had to go on the front scales since the fold over inline awl would block it on the back.  Works fine though.

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
That is truly amazing. Better make 1,000 of them just to start

Beautiful work sir
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Post by: Toppskarven . on March 29, 2018, 04:48:56 PM
I finally passed 1000 subscribers on youtube.  It only matters as it allows me to get a named URL instead of some random characters for a channel name.  So I grabbed  www.youtube.com/robertjlessard

I guess I better start posting more videos.  Im thinking maybe a head mounted camera and just film some of the daily things I do like parts finishing and give tips on what I learned over the past 6 years.  I still dont want to be on camera though, Im not TV pretty.    :D
Congratulations! I am a follower now :salute: :hatsoff:
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Post by: Don Pablo on March 29, 2018, 05:14:32 PM
I finally passed 1000 subscribers on youtube.  It only matters as it allows me to get a named URL instead of some random characters for a channel name.  So I grabbed  www.youtube.com/robertjlessard

I guess I better start posting more videos.  Im thinking maybe a head mounted camera and just film some of the daily things I do like parts finishing and give tips on what I learned over the past 6 years.  I still dont want to be on camera though, Im not TV pretty.    :D
Congratulations! I am a follower now :salute: :hatsoff:
Me too.  :salute:
I didn’t know that Robert had a YouTube channel.  :ahhh
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Post by: jaya_man on March 29, 2018, 05:48:28 PM
Congrats Syph... :salute: :cheers: :drink:


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Post by: Toppskarven . on March 29, 2018, 08:30:46 PM
I finally passed 1000 subscribers on youtube.  It only matters as it allows me to get a named URL instead of some random characters for a channel name.  So I grabbed  www.youtube.com/robertjlessard

I guess I better start posting more videos.  Im thinking maybe a head mounted camera and just film some of the daily things I do like parts finishing and give tips on what I learned over the past 6 years.  I still dont want to be on camera though, Im not TV pretty.    :D
Have you thought of making an even bigger drawer (that wraps around the middle rivet)?

Have you thought of sharing the CAD-files for the drawer scales?  :gimme: :dwts:  :drool: :angel:
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Post by: Syph007 on March 29, 2018, 08:34:29 PM
I finally passed 1000 subscribers on youtube.  It only matters as it allows me to get a named URL instead of some random characters for a channel name.  So I grabbed  www.youtube.com/robertjlessard

I guess I better start posting more videos.  Im thinking maybe a head mounted camera and just film some of the daily things I do like parts finishing and give tips on what I learned over the past 6 years.  I still dont want to be on camera though, Im not TV pretty.    :D
Have you thought of making an even bigger drawer (that wraps around the middle rivet)?

Have you thought of sharing the CAD-files for the drawer scales?  :gimme: :dwts:  :drool: :angel:

That's as big as it can get on a 91.  The internal pin is in the way on one side and corkscrew cutout in the waunob another.  It would also then be close to interfering with the backspring.
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Post by: Simyo on March 30, 2018, 07:41:18 AM
The cad files would really only be useful if your working in ti, the thicknesses for other materials would all be different as well as the springyness for the nail nick would also be different just due to the material characteristic of Ti, brass, aluminum, plastic or whatever material you were working with.
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Post by: Sparky415 on March 30, 2018, 09:20:31 AM
I still dont want to be on camera though, Im not TV pretty.    :D

Very few of us are  :rofl:

Already subscribed   :cheers:
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Post by: Syph007 on April 08, 2018, 11:23:18 PM
I forgot to post Marc's marvelous copper creation.  :D

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Post by: Syph007 on April 08, 2018, 11:25:07 PM
I think this is the first anodized drawer mod Ive done.  Its a beauty with gleaming polished Ti liners.  I got to use my Ti spike again as well.  :D

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Post by: Fuzzbucket on April 08, 2018, 11:28:11 PM
I forgot to post Marc's marvelous copper creation.  :D

That is beautiful!  :like:
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Post by: Wspeed on April 09, 2018, 12:02:11 AM
I forgot to post Marc's marvelous copper creation.  :D

That is beautiful!  :like:
+1 :like: :like:
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Post by: Toolslinger on April 09, 2018, 12:36:52 AM
I think this is the first anodized drawer mod Ive done.  Its a beauty with gleaming polished Ti liners.  I got to use my Ti spike again as well.  :D

:drool: Pocket Perfection

Now the waiting for the :mail: begins...
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Post by: ReamerPunch on April 13, 2018, 11:48:18 AM
Hey Robert, I am not sure if I have asked this before, but could you do Leatherman Charge scales? I imagine you can.  :think:
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Post by: Syph007 on April 13, 2018, 02:00:01 PM
Hey Robert, I am not sure if I have asked this before, but could you do Leatherman Charge scales? I imagine you can.  :think:

Oh sure that wouldn't be too hard.  They're basically slabs so pretty straight forward machining.
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Post by: ReamerPunch on April 13, 2018, 04:25:15 PM
Hey Robert, I am not sure if I have asked this before, but could you do Leatherman Charge scales? I imagine you can.  :think:

Oh sure that wouldn't be too hard.  They're basically slabs so pretty straight forward machining.

That's so nice to hear!  :cheers:
Now if only I had any idea about the design I'd want.  :facepalm:
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Post by: ReamerPunch on April 13, 2018, 04:26:20 PM
I am also very surprised nobody has asked for a pair and customize their Charge. I'd turn my AL into a nice Ti.  :drool:
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Post by: AlephZero on April 14, 2018, 04:11:44 PM
I just sent my donor SAKs to Bob...


 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: AlephZero on April 14, 2018, 04:13:49 PM
Considering the late post... any graphics designers around?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stoneshank on April 14, 2018, 06:21:29 PM


Wow!  I saw a picture of one if the skeletonized Ti compacts on Facebook and shot Robert an email last week.  Now, this weekend I found this thread, and just got through the whole thing.  Its a bit funny, I think in the last 72 hours I've gone through at least three different models and at least a dozen different tool configurations as my preference, as he went from Alox 93mm to primarily Ti 91mm and all the new ideas and models he came up with over the last 6 years.

Now I'm not even sure WHAT I would want exactly.  Guess I need to rotate my current stock and see what makes the cut (and what I'm missing).

Yeah, welcome to the board ! Robert it's the one that re introduced me to Victorinox. Ihave always been a folder knife fan and my first 20 years in life I pretty much exclusively dealt in Wenger/Victorinox before a five year period in the military, home and abroad, where I strayed and eventually lost interest in knives.

Some year ago I started to collect again (only to find my old hoard either given away our lost in moves) and thanks to the internet I found Roberts work and just swallowed all he had published. Way out of my league I can't afford any but it made me gather cheap equipment to do my own, stumbling, mods which coincided with me getting into daily whittling (nothing fancy).

Now I did my own c-league modding for private use but I still devour anything Robert show pictures of!



~ i love whittling and SAK's  ~

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 16, 2018, 04:04:44 PM
Oh Canada Yeoman.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 16, 2018, 05:08:35 PM
And I finally finished up my donation to the kniferights fund raiser this year. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on April 16, 2018, 05:13:46 PM
And I finally finished up my donation to the kniferights fund raiser this year. 
Love the scales Syph never seen anything like it :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stoneshank on April 16, 2018, 06:18:41 PM
And I finally finished up my donation to the kniferights fund raiser this year.
Jesus Christ....

~ i love whittling and SAK's  ~

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on April 16, 2018, 06:39:20 PM
Those skeleton scales!  :o  :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fuzzbucket on April 16, 2018, 06:46:13 PM
And I finally finished up my donation to the kniferights fund raiser this year.
Jesus Christ....

~ i love whittling and SAK's  ~

 :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fuzzbucket on April 16, 2018, 06:47:27 PM
Outstanding - nice one Syphy!  :2tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on April 16, 2018, 07:00:54 PM
Pffff...

So much eye candy :(

I'm cross eyed by now ::)

Nothing but awesomeness leaving your place Bob :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on April 17, 2018, 08:19:52 AM
I can only agree :2tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ThePeacent on April 17, 2018, 12:48:59 PM
reminds me of the Spyderco Q  ::), very nice!!  :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pa_strunk on April 19, 2018, 12:40:48 AM
 :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on April 20, 2018, 12:03:17 PM
Love both the Candian leaf design knife :drool: and the skeletonized one as well :dd: Great work as always Syph :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 21, 2018, 01:29:41 AM
So I did one minor tweak to the drawer 93mm scale and they're good to go now.  Im building a half dozen right now to have on hand for the 'I will buy anything you have ready' type requests.  The diamond texture tumbled finish is my current default scale type as they are durable as heck and will last forever as there is no anodize to wear off.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stoneshank on April 21, 2018, 01:34:56 AM
Amazing written as awlways, sir. :tipshat:

~ i love whittling and SAK's  ~

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toppskarven . on April 21, 2018, 06:12:19 AM
So I did one minor tweak to the drawer 93mm scale.
What tweak? :pok:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on April 21, 2018, 09:43:30 AM
Hey Syph ...... 'I will buy anything you have ready'  .....     :pok:    :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fast Bill on April 21, 2018, 05:15:27 PM
Oh Canada Yeoman.  :D

Beautiful  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: armi101 on April 22, 2018, 06:54:54 AM
Syph,

The canada yeoman is awesome. Id like to see an canada explorer. 😀. Or a canadian hunter, something with camo snow white alox scales.😀.

Cheers.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on April 22, 2018, 06:12:53 PM
What would a Compact with those diamond texture scales cost? :/
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: PTRSAK on April 23, 2018, 09:41:46 AM
I finally passed 1000 subscribers on youtube.  It only matters as it allows me to get a named URL instead of some random characters for a channel name.  So I grabbed  www.youtube.com/robertjlessard

I guess I better start posting more videos.  Im thinking maybe a head mounted camera and just film some of the daily things I do like parts finishing and give tips on what I learned over the past 6 years.  I still dont want to be on camera though, Im not TV pretty.    :D

Don't worry about not being on camera. Some of my fav' YouTube channels are just "Talking hands".

Go have a quick look at AvE,  This Old Tony and bigclivedotcom.   Never see the first, once I've see Tony and occasionally Big Clive makes an appearance but most of the time their videos are POV stuff with just their hands in shot.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toppskarven . on April 23, 2018, 05:28:16 PM
So I did one minor tweak to the drawer 93mm scale
Did you mirror the drawer? :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 23, 2018, 05:29:48 PM
So I did one minor tweak to the drawer 93mm scale
Did you mirror the drawer? :think:

Just a small position change and thickening the outwr edge a bit so there was more meat to it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 23, 2018, 08:35:29 PM
Ti Farmer x.  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on April 23, 2018, 08:44:30 PM
Now that is truly  :drool: worthy  !
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on April 23, 2018, 08:49:29 PM
Now that is truly  :drool: worthy  !

+1!!!!


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on April 23, 2018, 09:11:37 PM
Now that is truly  :drool: worthy  !

+1!!!!


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on April 23, 2018, 09:50:19 PM
 :hatsoff:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on April 23, 2018, 10:01:00 PM
Now that is truly  :drool: worthy  !

+1!!!!


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fuzzbucket on April 23, 2018, 10:02:49 PM
Now that is truly  :drool: worthy  !

+1!!!!


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on April 23, 2018, 10:39:45 PM
Now that is truly  :drool: worthy  !

+1!!!!


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on April 23, 2018, 11:30:47 PM
Now that is truly  :drool: worthy  !

+1!!!!


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stoneshank on April 23, 2018, 11:36:05 PM
Hey Syph, do you mind if I use your solution to make a 84 mm pair of scissors out of a 91 mm one?

~ i love whittling and SAK's  ~

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on April 24, 2018, 08:40:01 AM
Hey Robert, I am not sure if I have asked this before, but could you do Leatherman Charge scales? I imagine you can.  :think:

Oh sure that wouldn't be too hard.  They're basically slabs so pretty straight forward machining.

How about scales with drawers?  :o
Two drawers on one side, to keep it slim, although one could go for four drawers, for maximum items.
Victorinox scale tools in one, toothpick, tweezers, pen.
Fishing kit, sewing kit, tiny ferro rods, floss, lockpicks. The possibilities are endless!  :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on April 24, 2018, 12:28:40 PM
Ti Farmer x.  :D
What happened to the Pioneer  ???   ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 24, 2018, 02:06:36 PM
Hey Robert, I am not sure if I have asked this before, but could you do Leatherman Charge scales? I imagine you can.  :think:

Oh sure that wouldn't be too hard.  They're basically slabs so pretty straight forward machining.

How about scales with drawers?  :o
Two drawers on one side, to keep it slim, although one could go for four drawers, for maximum items.
Victorinox scale tools in one, toothpick, tweezers, pen.
Fishing kit, sewing kit, tiny ferro rods, floss, lockpicks. The possibilities are endless!  :drool:

Yup that would work.  I wonder how thick it would be.... Now you got me thinking.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ThePeacent on April 24, 2018, 02:26:35 PM
Hey Robert, I am not sure if I have asked this before, but could you do Leatherman Charge scales? I imagine you can.  :think:

Oh sure that wouldn't be too hard.  They're basically slabs so pretty straight forward machining.

How about scales with drawers?  :o
Two drawers on one side, to keep it slim, although one could go for four drawers, for maximum items.
Victorinox scale tools in one, toothpick, tweezers, pen.
Fishing kit, sewing kit, tiny ferro rods, floss, lockpicks. The possibilities are endless!  :drool:

Yup that would work.  I wonder how thick it would be.... Now you got me thinking.

mini FAK SAK  :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on April 24, 2018, 03:01:00 PM
Hey Robert, I am not sure if I have asked this before, but could you do Leatherman Charge scales? I imagine you can.  :think:

Oh sure that wouldn't be too hard.  They're basically slabs so pretty straight forward machining.

How about scales with drawers?  :o
Two drawers on one side, to keep it slim, although one could go for four drawers, for maximum items.
Victorinox scale tools in one, toothpick, tweezers, pen.
Fishing kit, sewing kit, tiny ferro rods, floss, lockpicks. The possibilities are endless!  :drool:

Yup that would work.  I wonder how thick it would be.... Now you got me thinking.

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on April 24, 2018, 03:01:49 PM
Hey Robert, I am not sure if I have asked this before, but could you do Leatherman Charge scales? I imagine you can.  :think:

Oh sure that wouldn't be too hard.  They're basically slabs so pretty straight forward machining.

How about scales with drawers?  :o
Two drawers on one side, to keep it slim, although one could go for four drawers, for maximum items.
Victorinox scale tools in one, toothpick, tweezers, pen.
Fishing kit, sewing kit, tiny ferro rods, floss, lockpicks. The possibilities are endless!  :drool:

Yup that would work.  I wonder how thick it would be.... Now you got me thinking.

 :popcorn:
+1 :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on April 24, 2018, 03:03:45 PM
Take that, Signal! Who's the survival MT now?  :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stoneshank on April 24, 2018, 04:49:32 PM
Hey Robert, I am not sure if I have asked this before, but could you do Leatherman Charge scales? I imagine you can.  :think:

Oh sure that wouldn't be too hard.  They're basically slabs so pretty straight forward machining.

How about scales with drawers?  :o
Two drawers on one side, to keep it slim, although one could go for four drawers, for maximum items.
Victorinox scale tools in one, toothpick, tweezers, pen.
Fishing kit, sewing kit, tiny ferro rods, floss, lockpicks. The possibilities are endless!  :drool:

Yup that would work.  I wonder how thick it would be.... Now you got me thinking.
Wanted to check with you if you're fine with me borrowing your idea to add a pair of scissors to my cadet via your approach with 91 mm spring and scissors.



~ i love whittling and SAK's  ~

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 24, 2018, 05:21:45 PM
Hey Robert, I am not sure if I have asked this before, but could you do Leatherman Charge scales? I imagine you can.  :think:

Oh sure that wouldn't be too hard.  They're basically slabs so pretty straight forward machining.

How about scales with drawers?  :o
Two drawers on one side, to keep it slim, although one could go for four drawers, for maximum items.
Victorinox scale tools in one, toothpick, tweezers, pen.
Fishing kit, sewing kit, tiny ferro rods, floss, lockpicks. The possibilities are endless!  :drool:

Yup that would work.  I wonder how thick it would be.... Now you got me thinking.
Wanted to check with you if you're fine with me borrowing your idea to add a pair of scissors to my cadet via your approach with 91 mm spring and scissors.



~ i love whittling and SAK's  ~

I don't currently bhave a solution just working non one now.  I used to put them on usuaing modded old style backsprings.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stoneshank on April 24, 2018, 06:23:02 PM
Hey Robert, I am not sure if I have asked this before, but could you do Leatherman Charge scales? I imagine you can.  :think:

Oh sure that wouldn't be too hard.  They're basically slabs so pretty straight forward machining.

How about scales with drawers?  :o
Two drawers on one side, to keep it slim, although one could go for four drawers, for maximum items.
Victorinox scale tools in one, toothpick, tweezers, pen.
Fishing kit, sewing kit, tiny ferro rods, floss, lockpicks. The possibilities are endless!  :drool:

Yup that would work.  I wonder how thick it would be.... Now you got me thinking.
Wanted to check with you if you're fine with me borrowing your idea to add a pair of scissors to my cadet via your approach with 91 mm spring and scissors.



~ i love whittling and SAK's  ~

I don't currently bhave a solution just working non one now.  I used to put them on usuaing modded old style backsprings.
Ok !. My current project is to make a sak looking like a favorite non sak knife with wooden scales so I'm not doing the cadet atm.


To be honest, all multiple iterations of that knife going from five layer whittler mod with saw, back to cadet again has left me a bit dead tired of sanding down 2,5 mm to 2,25 mm pins so I'm not overly eager to jump on to that project just yet

Shortening and re fitting a pair of  91 mm scissors should be doable if I plan enough but it really is borderline on what I can do with my tools.

~ i love whittling and SAK's  ~
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 27, 2018, 07:13:20 PM
Whoa check out the glamor photo of my donation knife!

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=370440;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on April 27, 2018, 07:14:18 PM
Sexy! :D
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Post by: Don Pablo on April 27, 2018, 07:26:52 PM
Oooooh.....
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: AlephZero on April 27, 2018, 07:40:43 PM
There's so much skin showing... That's SAK porn right there  :pok:

 >:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on April 27, 2018, 07:43:52 PM
That’s just   :drool: :drool: :drool:
Excellent workmanship Syph007 :like: :like: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stoneshank on April 27, 2018, 08:45:45 PM
So amazingly beautiful. How it helps the event by even measure!

~ i love whittling and SAK's  ~

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on April 27, 2018, 11:39:24 PM
Whoa check out the glamor photo of my donation knife!
Wow amazing photo - It's just one knife right? And he's photo shopped three images together?   ???

Great to credit the photographer in the pic but they should credit the knife maker too :pok: (I guess that is elsewhere in the article!) As the knife is just fabulous - So dramatic, good looking and appealing. The blue, 'black', 'gold', and 'silver' go so well together

Hey Syph - Can you remind us what the donation thing is please. Seem to remember it was another knife forum/''marketing' for you - Right?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: armi101 on April 28, 2018, 04:43:19 AM
Very nice.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on April 28, 2018, 07:15:38 AM
Whoa check out the glamor photo of my donation knife!
Wow amazing photo - It's just one knife right? And he's photo shopped three images together?   ???

Great to credit the photographer in the pic but they should credit the knife maker too :pok: (I guess that is elsewhere in the article!) As the knife is just fabulous - So dramatic, good looking and appealing. The blue, 'black', 'gold', and 'silver' go so well together

Hey Syph - Can you remind us what the donation thing is please. Seem to remember it was another knife forum/''marketing' for you - Right?

And I finally finished up my donation to the kniferights fund raiser this year. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on April 28, 2018, 08:42:56 AM
Thanks Zoidy - I shoulda looked harder

I looked Kniferights up - Interesting !!

Could not find Syph's knife in their fundraising page - But I did see a knife signed by Col. Oliver North - Wow
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 28, 2018, 12:44:56 PM
Thanks Zoidy - I shoulda looked harder

I looked Kniferights up - Interesting !!

Could not find Syph's knife in their fundraising page - But I did see a knife signed by Col. Oliver North - Wow

It's on this page.  There are alot of knives.

https://kniferights.org/ultimatesteel/2018-ultimate-steel/#baskett-2018
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on April 30, 2018, 02:41:08 AM
Hey Syph - somewhere in this thread you mentioned the thickness in the TI scales vs cellulode plus scalesis about a plier layer. Was wondering if you could compare the thickness to Alox 93mms. Is a 91mm huntsman with TI the same thickness as a PioneerX, or are the scales basically the same?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 30, 2018, 02:42:05 PM
Hey Syph - somewhere in this thread you mentioned the thickness in the TI scales vs cellulode plus scalesis about a plier layer. Was wondering if you could compare the thickness to Alox 93mms. Is a 91mm huntsman with TI the same thickness as a PioneerX, or are the scales basically the same?

My Ti scales and alox are about the same thickness.  The 91 mm tool layers are thinner than the 93 mm though.  Well blade and opener layers.  Saw and scissors would be the same.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toppskarven . on May 01, 2018, 09:52:49 PM

It had to go on the front scales since the fold over inline awl would block it on the back.  Works fine though.


Could the inline awl be positioned on the same end as the main blade, i.e. on the front, and the drawer also be positioned on the front?) The fold-over would cover the drawer, but it would require no more than opening the awl to access the drawer?

(This could make way for a "classic" marlinspike on the back...? :drool: :drool: :drool:)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 01, 2018, 11:23:56 PM

It had to go on the front scales since the fold over inline awl would block it on the back.  Works fine though.


Could the inline awl be positioned on the same end as the main blade, i.e. on the front, and the drawer also be positioned on the front?) The fold-over would cover the drawer, but it would require no more than opening the awl to access the drawer?

(This could make way for a "classic" marlinspike on the back...? :drool: :drool: :drool:)

No actually the inline awlnis too long to play nice and fit in one layer with the caplifter.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toppskarven . on May 02, 2018, 08:15:09 PM

It had to go on the front scales since the fold over inline awl would block it on the back.  Works fine though.


Could the inline awl be positioned on the same end as the main blade, i.e. on the front, and the drawer also be positioned on the front?) The fold-over would cover the drawer, but it would require no more than opening the awl to access the drawer?

(This could make way for a "classic" marlinspike on the back...? :drool: :drool: :drool:)

No actually the inline awlnis too long to play nice and fit in one layer with the caplifter.
:think: thinking of what tool that could be opposite the awl... Gutting knife from a hunter?  :drool: Nope that wont do... does electricians blade fit I wonder? :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 02, 2018, 08:46:58 PM

It had to go on the front scales since the fold over inline awl would block it on the back.  Works fine though.


Could the inline awl be positioned on the same end as the main blade, i.e. on the front, and the drawer also be positioned on the front?) The fold-over would cover the drawer, but it would require no more than opening the awl to access the drawer?

(This could make way for a "classic" marlinspike on the back...? :drool: :drool: :drool:)

No actually the inline awlnis too long to play nice and fit in one layer with the caplifter.
:think: thinking of what tool that could be opposite the awl... Gutting knife from a hunter?  :drool: Nope that wont do... does electricians blade fit I wonder? :think:

Nail nick would be on wrong side but might fit.  The awl really only fits with the blade.  I once shortened an awl to fit with caplifter but it looked weird.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Toppskarven . on May 02, 2018, 09:22:19 PM

It had to go on the front scales since the fold over inline awl would block it on the back.  Works fine though.


Could the inline awl be positioned on the same end as the main blade, i.e. on the front, and the drawer also be positioned on the front?) The fold-over would cover the drawer, but it would require no more than opening the awl to access the drawer?

(This could make way for a "classic" marlinspike on the back...? :drool: :drool: :drool:)

No actually the inline awlnis too long to play nice and fit in one layer with the caplifter.
:think: thinking of what tool that could be opposite the awl... Gutting knife from a hunter?  :drool: Nope that wont do... does electricians blade fit I wonder? :think:

Nail nick would be on wrong side but might fit.  The awl really only fits with the blade.  I once shortened an awl to fit with caplifter but it looked weird.
hmmmm... :think: what if the awl (and drawer :facepalm:) would be in its "normal" place at the "back", and marlinspike at the "wrong" side (i.e. front)...?
(just got really fixated on combining awl, drawer and marlinspike. Don't get me started on the rest of the tools i dream of.. :facepalm:)


Yeah, I know, probably gonna be an issue with the backsprings... :-\
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on May 06, 2018, 03:46:37 PM
Hey Spyh, I’m wondering, do you accept parts commissions?
Like, say I wanted some 91mm brass liners like you already use, with 2.5 and 2.25mm holes instead of 1/8” holes?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 06, 2018, 05:01:03 PM
Hey Spyh, I’m wondering, do you accept parts commissions?
Like, say I wanted some 91mm brass liners like you already use, with 2.5 and 2.25mm holes instead of 1/8” holes?

Nope everything I make has 1/8 holes.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on May 06, 2018, 05:07:35 PM
Hey Spyh, I’m wondering, do you accept parts commissions?
Like, say I wanted some 91mm brass liners like you already use, with 2.5 and 2.25mm holes instead of 1/8” holes?

Nope everything I make has 1/8 holes.
Okay.  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Marc_in_NS on May 12, 2018, 01:38:05 AM
I really love that SAK with the Maple Leaf...now you are pulling my heart strings... :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on May 12, 2018, 01:55:34 AM
Me too ....

Must have some Canadian in me somewhere   :think:    ???    :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 12, 2018, 02:27:11 AM
Super busy Sir?

I am going to need a drawer mod knife.

Please take my monies.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 12, 2018, 02:54:13 AM
These little guys slip in here and there... pesky 58s!

Whats going on here with the pocket clip Robert?

I have a 58 you made for me a while ago with one of the pocket clips you put on bigger SAKs.

This one looks like it would be nicer though.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stoneshank on May 12, 2018, 03:14:16 AM
Would be cool to buy spring plus scissors for 84 mm that you planned on tuning from 91 mm. That and two liners (I'm thinking of getting a cadet 2017 LE and add the scissors and upgrade the liners). That anything you'd be willing to do.


Just thought of the holes. You be willing too sell pivots and screws too? I realise this pretty much ends up with a lot of work but if you're willing then I'm interested!

- stoneshank

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 12, 2018, 04:45:03 PM
Super busy Sir?

I am going to need a drawer mod knife.

Please take my monies.

I'm building a dozen pioneer x with drawer this week if you want one of those?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: armi101 on May 12, 2018, 10:12:45 PM
So. First off I'm a fan of your mods. Both the 93mm and the 91. All very nice and excellent craftsmanship.

I decided after reading most of this section of the forum to try to make an alox exlporer. After finally getting all the parts and tools I got some time in the shop last night. I present my version of an alox explorer (based off lots of input gleaned from this site. It's not perfect, but I'm happy.

2 alox pioneers
1 celidor explorer.

I used the scissor rest from the 91mm explorer and a blade spring to make the scissor layer. I also used one of the 91mm liners with a new hole drilled. The pivots are the 1/8in.

I'm pleased with the result. But there is an issue. The snap on the spring is weak, and the opener layer sits a bit low. I've been playing with this for most of the morning and i think with a little more tension in the spring it would all work.....any suggestions how to accomplish this?

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 13, 2018, 05:23:36 AM
Super busy Sir?

I am going to need a drawer mod knife.

Please take my monies.

I'm building a dozen pioneer x with drawer this week if you want one of those?

Silver?

Bah who am I kidding.

Yes I would love one of them.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: armi101 on May 13, 2018, 07:20:35 AM
Ok. Quick update.
Problems solved. The scissor rest on the spring was a little loose. I adjjsted the backspring by about 2 degrees. All fit tight. Snap is perfect.

Thanks for the inspirarion.

Cheers,

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 13, 2018, 10:37:18 PM
So. First off I'm a fan of your mods. Both the 93mm and the 91. All very nice and excellent craftsmanship.

I decided after reading most of this section of the forum to try to make an alox exlporer. After finally getting all the parts and tools I got some time in the shop last night. I present my version of an alox explorer (based off lots of input gleaned from this site. It's not perfect, but I'm happy.

2 alox pioneers
1 celidor explorer.

I used the scissor rest from the 91mm explorer and a blade spring to make the scissor layer. I also used one of the 91mm liners with a new hole drilled. The pivots are the 1/8in.

I'm pleased with the result. But there is an issue. The snap on the spring is weak, and the opener layer sits a bit low. I've been playing with this for most of the morning and i think with a little more tension in the spring it would all work.....any suggestions how to accomplish this?



Nice job.  Its such a pain to fit tools on that frame that dont belong.  I dont do that kind of work at all anymore.  As soon as someone wants Mag/phillips or pliers its 91mm for sure.


Super busy Sir?

I am going to need a drawer mod knife.

Please take my monies.

I'm building a dozen pioneer x with drawer this week if you want one of those?

Silver?

Bah who am I kidding.

Yes I would love one of them.

I'll pm you.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on May 14, 2018, 03:14:55 PM
What tools would you need to cut out and finish some brass liners by hand, besides patience and practice?
Was thinking of trying my hand at it... have some Al liners to use as a template.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on May 14, 2018, 03:34:22 PM
Fret saw and a plentiful supply of very fine pitch blade (I used 59 TPI :o), files and sandpaper.  If you can stack the liners and rivet them together while you work it's easier to cut they'll all be the same size.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 14, 2018, 03:38:47 PM
Fret saw and a plentiful supply of very fine pitch blade (I used 59 TPI :o), files and sandpaper.  If you can stack the liners and rivet them together while you work it's easier to cut they'll all be the same size.

Yup exactly.  Make a liner sandwich with the stock liners on the outside.  Then you can just file and sand away.  When I used to hand form scales, I'd put them in there too so everything was guaranteed to all match.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 14, 2018, 03:53:43 PM
Would be cool to buy spring plus scissors for 84 mm that you planned on tuning from 91 mm. That and two liners (I'm thinking of getting a cadet 2017 LE and add the scissors and upgrade the liners). That anything you'd be willing to do.


Just thought of the holes. You be willing too sell pivots and screws too? I realise this pretty much ends up with a lot of work but if you're willing then I'm interested!

- stoneshank

So far I have 5 cadets I am converting to Ti frame with scissors added.  The cost to make these is going to be more than a standard 91mm.  So its kind of a test to see if all the people asking for one of these really wants them or not.  Just making the scissors layer mods alone would be close to 100 in labor.

Nothing Im making or working with will work on alox scales.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on May 14, 2018, 04:43:44 PM
Fret saw and a plentiful supply of very fine pitch blade (I used 59 TPI :o), files and sandpaper.  If you can stack the liners and rivet them together while you work it's easier to cut they'll all be the same size.
Fret saw and a plentiful supply of very fine pitch blade (I used 59 TPI :o), files and sandpaper.  If you can stack the liners and rivet them together while you work it's easier to cut they'll all be the same size.

Yup exactly.  Make a liner sandwich with the stock liners on the outside.  Then you can just file and sand away.  When I used to hand form scales, I'd put them in there too so everything was guaranteed to all match.
Ok, thanks.  :)
I think I have a source of some K&S engineering .032x2”x12” brass strip, three should cost about €10.
This is what K&S engineering says about the brass specs: Alloy 260 1/2 hard ASTM B36.
No idea what that means.  :facepalm: Is it an appropriate alloy?

Fret saw, files and sandpaper should be easy to get... will look in boot sales. And if I have to buy new a saw, plenty of <€15 budget choices to choose from, 5” depth should be more than enough.

That leaves those ultra fine blades to figure out.  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: hiraethus on May 14, 2018, 04:51:23 PM
The thicker the material (or the more liners you cut at once), the lower the TPI count you need.  You won't be able to cut very thin material with a coarse blade, as the teeth just catch.  Ideally, you need a few teeth in contact with the material at any one time.  I think my liners were either 0.7 or 0.8 mm brass.

260 half-hard brass will be just fine, and 0.032" is 0.81 mm, so the thickness is about right too.

You'll find the blades at any fine woodwork or marquetry supplier.  I think mine were Pegas brand.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: stoneshank on May 14, 2018, 07:03:25 PM
Would be cool to buy spring plus scissors for 84 mm that you planned on tuning from 91 mm. That and two liners (I'm thinking of getting a cadet 2017 LE and add the scissors and upgrade the liners). That anything you'd be willing to do.


Just thought of the holes. You be willing too sell pivots and screws too? I realise this pretty much ends up with a lot of work but if you're willing then I'm interested!

- stoneshank

So far I have 5 cadets I am converting to Ti frame with scissors added.  The cost to make these is going to be more than a standard 91mm.  So its kind of a test to see if all the people asking for one of these really wants them or not.  Just making the scissors layer mods alone would be close to 100 in labor.

Nothing Im making or working with will work on alox scales.
Ok, thanks!

- stoneshank

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: armi101 on May 17, 2018, 04:39:56 PM
Hoping someone might be able to help me out with this. The can opener sits just a hair too low. I can just barely get the nail nick if my nail is long enough, and it hasn't been a problem. But if it was a little higher it would work much better. ...any thoughts on how to raise it?

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 17, 2018, 05:29:30 PM
Hoping someone might be able to help me out with this. The can opener sits just a hair too low. I can just barely get the nail nick if my nail is long enough, and it hasn't been a problem. But if it was a little higher it would work much better. ...any thoughts on how to raise it?

Weird.  Did you accidentally out the backspring in backwards?  The smaller pivot end goes to the bottle opener.  That the only thing I can think of as to why it would sit weird.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: armi101 on May 18, 2018, 01:01:10 AM
I think i got it. The screws were a little loose for the middle pivot. So the scale wasnt straight. Tightened and it all straightened out. Ill use some thread locker. Should solve the problem.

The backspring is in correct.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 19, 2018, 04:36:51 PM
Shiny Champ.   :tu:

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on May 19, 2018, 04:45:07 PM
I just love the drawer and magnifier
What a beautiful piece of art  :dd: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Lardlad on May 19, 2018, 06:19:48 PM
So beautiful!  Are you going to make those TI toothpicks generally available?  I know I'd love to buy a few.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: AlephZero on May 19, 2018, 06:36:16 PM
Just wanted to show off this one... I know, I posted it on other threads already, but someone might not have seen it..

And the point is, our Bob here is a SAK wizard, he makes wonders!

(https://vgy.me/r5y5tG.jpg)
Photo courtesy of Syph007

Full pictorial over at Completely Random Smurf with Aleph (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,66266.msg1696217.html#msg1696217)

So not to spam Syph's thread with my smurf...  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Ron Who on May 19, 2018, 06:48:57 PM
So not to spam Syph's thread with my smurf...  :cheers:
This is MTO, so of course we do have a separate thread for spamming pics of these gorgeous mods, to wit https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,70430.msg1417235.html#msg1417235
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: AlephZero on May 19, 2018, 07:02:25 PM
So not to spam Syph's thread with my smurf...  :cheers:
This is MTO, so of course we do have a separate thread for spamming pics of these gorgeous mods, to wit https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,70430.msg1417235.html#msg1417235

Well damn, I seem to have missed that one... I'll post there when the Quantum Mechanic arrives home  :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Ron Who on May 19, 2018, 07:07:15 PM
 :tu: :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 19, 2018, 08:04:53 PM
So beautiful!  Are you going to make those TI toothpicks generally available?  I know I'd love to buy a few.

I can.  This one wasn't anything fancy. I just grabbed a small piece of Ti from my scrap pile and ground it until I felt it looked like a toothpick.  I can machine them though which would be more consistent.

It also rattles around so I dunno if its the best option.  Or I could make them longer I guess so they took up more of the drawer length.  Or maybe a new hybrid tool with one end a mini trident for food eating and the other end a Ti toothpick.

(https://vgy.me/4tpSfT.jpg)

(https://vgy.me/vfxchu.jpg)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 20, 2018, 04:18:37 AM
So beautiful!  Are you going to make those TI toothpicks generally available?  I know I'd love to buy a few.

I can.  This one wasn't anything fancy. I just grabbed a small piece of Ti from my scrap pile and ground it until I felt it looked like a toothpick.  I can machine them though which would be more consistent.

It also rattles around so I dunno if its the best option.  Or I could make them longer I guess so they took up more of the drawer length.  Or maybe a new hybrid tool with one end a mini trident for food eating and the other end a Ti toothpick.

(https://vgy.me/4tpSfT.jpg)

(https://vgy.me/vfxchu.jpg)

The regular Vic toothpick don't fit in the drawer?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ThePeacent on May 20, 2018, 03:39:10 PM
So not to spam Syph's thread with my smurf...  :cheers:
This is MTO, so of course we do have a separate thread for spamming pics of these gorgeous mods, to wit https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,70430.msg1417235.html#msg1417235

Well damn, I seem to have missed that one... I'll post there when the Quantum Mechanic arrives home  :)

I think it has arrived already and it is on its way at the same time until you check the tracking number  :ahhh :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 20, 2018, 04:42:04 PM
So beautiful!  Are you going to make those TI toothpicks generally available?  I know I'd love to buy a few.

I can.  This one wasn't anything fancy. I just grabbed a small piece of Ti from my scrap pile and ground it until I felt it looked like a toothpick.  I can machine them though which would be more consistent.

It also rattles around so I dunno if its the best option.  Or I could make them longer I guess so they took up more of the drawer length.  Or maybe a new hybrid tool with one end a mini trident for food eating and the other end a Ti toothpick.

(https://vgy.me/4tpSfT.jpg)

(https://vgy.me/vfxchu.jpg)

The regular Vic toothpick don't fit in the drawer?

It does.  Just needs the nub ground down.  I was just playing around.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 20, 2018, 04:44:22 PM
So beautiful!  Are you going to make those TI toothpicks generally available?  I know I'd love to buy a few.

I can.  This one wasn't anything fancy. I just grabbed a small piece of Ti from my scrap pile and ground it until I felt it looked like a toothpick.  I can machine them though which would be more consistent.

It also rattles around so I dunno if its the best option.  Or I could make them longer I guess so they took up more of the drawer length.  Or maybe a new hybrid tool with one end a mini trident for food eating and the other end a Ti toothpick.

(https://vgy.me/4tpSfT.jpg)

(https://vgy.me/vfxchu.jpg)

The regular Vic toothpick don't fit in the drawer?

It does.  Just needs the nub ground down.  I was just playing around.

Very good.

Still trying to decide on a configuration for my drawer Syph SAK.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Psych on May 21, 2018, 02:25:24 AM

So far I have 5 cadets I am converting to Ti frame with scissors added.  The cost to make these is going to be more than a standard 91mm.  So its kind of a test to see if all the people asking for one of these really wants them or not.  Just making the scissors layer mods alone would be close to 100 in labor.

Nothing Im making or working with will work on alox scales.
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I want one. 100% in. How can I get one?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 21, 2018, 03:15:11 AM
I won't have any progress on the Ti cadets until next month.  I've booked up solid for the rest of may.  No time to fininsh the R&D.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Psych on May 22, 2018, 02:14:59 PM
I won't have any progress on the Ti cadets until next month.  I've booked up solid for the rest of may.  No time to fininsh the R&D.
Happy to wait. Definitely in whenever you're ready to move forward with them.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 25, 2018, 05:01:30 PM
Hammered scales with drawer.  Beating dents into that thicker 0.160" Ti stock was bout 50x harder than the normal 0.100" thick stock I use.  Even with heavy heating, I damn near tore the vice off my bench beating the thing with a large sledge hammer.  :D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on May 25, 2018, 05:03:27 PM
Lol, a testament to the strength of those scales!  :ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: AlephZero on May 25, 2018, 05:27:29 PM
Awesome SAK!  :cheers:

Almost, almost regretting I didn't go with brass liners...  :pok:

 :D

Nah, the Quantum Mechanic is perfect! Thank you Bob!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 26, 2018, 02:12:07 AM
Single layer with good tools.  :D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 26, 2018, 04:11:19 PM
Single layer with good tools.  :D

So much in a small package.

Very nice.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 26, 2018, 07:15:26 PM
Was talking about the new small SAK pocket clip Robert makes these days in an earlier conversation.

Got me thinking about how you don’t often see pictures of Roberts creations in the wild posted here.

This is something I had him make to use as a key dangler. Been used every single day since.

Wanted regular alox scales because I love when they are all old and broke in looking.

(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Knives/Knives%202/FA4AB2D5-8220-479B-87B4-AC1CF372D289_6.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Knives/Knives%202/FA4AB2D5-8220-479B-87B4-AC1CF372D289_6.jpg.html)

Forgot to post this picture of the pocket clip. Can’t say enough good things about it. The perfect amount of tension and it hasn’t faded one bit. Still as strong as the day I got it.

(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Knives/Knives%202/1DE75645-4019-4314-93BB-555ACEF5AE5B.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Knives/Knives%202/1DE75645-4019-4314-93BB-555ACEF5AE5B.jpg.html)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 27, 2018, 05:00:46 PM
Looks like its seen some use!

I did another mono layer today.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 27, 2018, 05:46:56 PM
These mono layers are 91mm correct?

Wouldn't they technically be two layers?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on May 27, 2018, 05:51:17 PM
These mono layers are 91mm correct?

Wouldn't they technically be two layers?
I say that they're mono because there is only one spring.  :)
That definition makes a Swisschamp 8 layers thick.

I admit, it breaks down when you you try to apply it to a Cybertool or a modded 93mm SAK with pliers.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on May 30, 2018, 05:16:13 PM
Continuing on with mono layer saks... a very slim copper settler.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 08, 2018, 02:16:28 PM
Shiny Champ!  :like:

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: RF52 on June 08, 2018, 02:17:10 PM
Nice

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kottskrapa on June 08, 2018, 02:19:46 PM
Nice! How much does it weight?

[It's not failure if you learn something from it]

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 08, 2018, 02:30:14 PM
Nice! How much does it weight?

[It's not failure if you learn something from it]

212 g
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on June 08, 2018, 03:13:41 PM
I would love to see swiss champ xlt reincarnated as one of these!    :o

Though I find it hard to imagine there are a lot of people willing and able to bankroll such a monster...  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on June 08, 2018, 03:20:09 PM
The SwissChamp is nice but that is the ultimate Champ :dd:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 08, 2018, 04:54:48 PM
I would love to see swiss champ xlt reincarnated as one of these!    :o

Though I find it hard to imagine there are a lot of people willing and able to bankroll such a monster...  :D

Ya that would be a crazy cost build.  Xlt is expensive just to get started for parts.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kottskrapa on June 08, 2018, 10:35:14 PM
Thanks! I don't know the original weight but that is something you will notice of it falls out of the pocket. Awlsome work as usual

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: AlephZero on June 08, 2018, 10:48:19 PM
I would love to see swiss champ xlt reincarnated as one of these!    :o

Though I find it hard to imagine there are a lot of people willing and able to bankroll such a monster...  :D

Ya that would be a crazy cost build.  Xlt is expensive just to get started for parts.

Hell, a Swisschamp was one
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 08, 2018, 11:08:19 PM
I would love to see swiss champ xlt reincarnated as one of these!    :o

Though I find it hard to imagine there are a lot of people willing and able to bankroll such a monster...  :D

Bankroll?

Heck who would want to carry that beast?






I would. Just saying.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 08, 2018, 11:57:55 PM
I would love to see swiss champ xlt reincarnated as one of these!    :o

Though I find it hard to imagine there are a lot of people willing and able to bankroll such a monster...  :D

Bankroll?

Heck who would want to carry that beast?






I would. Just saying.

For me for normal pocket carry 4 layer is about max I'd want.  The brass liners add some weight too but I love the look.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 09, 2018, 10:53:06 PM
All silver all polished.  Polished Ti liner too.  :D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 10, 2018, 02:29:00 AM
Sweet eight pound six ounce baby Jesus.

So pretty.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 10, 2018, 03:38:53 AM
Sweet eight pound six ounce baby Jesus.

So pretty.

Nope I weighed it, 66 grams.  :D  Americanized thats 2.3 oz
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on June 10, 2018, 06:12:45 AM
Sweet eight pound six ounce baby Jesus.

So pretty.

Nope I weighed it, 66 grams.  :D  Americanized thats 2.3 oz

Haha!!!!


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on June 10, 2018, 07:20:20 AM
So pretty.
The prettiest one ever - IMHO - There's something about that SAK


PS.....
Nope I weighed it, 66 grams.  :D  Americanised that's 2.3 oz
FTFY   ;)


Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Drreptar on June 10, 2018, 09:45:26 AM
That is stunning! 😋
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ThePeacent on June 10, 2018, 04:44:06 PM
wowza!  :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pa_strunk on June 11, 2018, 02:17:03 AM
 :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 11, 2018, 05:42:57 AM
Sweet eight pound six ounce baby Jesus.

So pretty.

Nope I weighed it, 66 grams.  :D  Americanized thats 2.3 oz

Haha!!!!


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Sigh.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: heli001 on June 11, 2018, 08:47:25 AM
Second Post

Just finished 180 pages of this wonderful thread........! Three days of solid reading.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ThePeacent on June 11, 2018, 02:05:27 PM
Second Post

Just finished 180 pages of this wonderful thread........! Three days of solid reading.

but I bet it was worth it  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: heli001 on June 11, 2018, 03:33:45 PM
Huge amount of information and we were able to see someone's career unfold. That in of itself made a great read and would be great book material.

Syph007 will know when he has truly made it when Victorinox ask him to send them some of his CAD/CAM files. Even without any communication from them, he is truly in a class of his own. He found his "Niche" and is producing Art in every SAK he modifies.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 12, 2018, 02:10:15 AM
Huge amount of information and we were able to see someone's career unfold. That in of itself made a great read and would be great book material.

Syph007 will know when he has truly made it when Victorinox ask him to send them some of his CAD/CAM files. Even without any communication from them, he is truly in a class of his own. He found his "Niche" and is producing Art in every SAK he modifies.

Place your order yet?

Firgure you will have two or three Syph creations soon enough.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on June 12, 2018, 03:05:35 AM
A small bit of US geography on the front of this yeoman. 

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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 12, 2018, 03:32:05 AM
Nice.

Them scales are TI and anodized black?
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Post by: Syph007 on June 12, 2018, 03:34:31 AM
Nice.

Them scales are TI and anodized black?

I said the Ti smooth then tumble in ceramics for a day and it gets this dark gray color. if
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Post by: Huntsman on June 12, 2018, 11:44:53 AM
A small bit of US geography on the front of this yeoman.

Had to find this 'bit of geography'.....

And apologies to Michiganites - But shouldn't that be part of Wisconsin?    ???   :think:
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Post by: Don Pablo on June 12, 2018, 11:53:17 AM
A small bit of US geography on the front of this yeoman.

Had to find this 'bit of geography'.....

And apologies to Michiganites - But shouldn't that be part of Wisconsin?    ???   :think:
I found the correct place by googling “michigan counties” based on your post, but how did YOU figure it out?  :o
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 15, 2018, 04:33:08 PM
A small bit of US geography on the front of this yeoman.

Had to find this 'bit of geography'.....

And apologies to Michiganites - But shouldn't that be part of Wisconsin?    ???   :think:
I found the correct place by googling “michigan counties” based on your post, but how did YOU figure it out?  :o

Can’t speak for others but I live in Michigan so yeah.
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Post by: Syph007 on June 19, 2018, 03:53:44 AM
Yeoman with full backscale with drawer.  :tu:

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Post by: pa_strunk on June 19, 2018, 04:01:31 AM
Very cool  :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on June 29, 2018, 12:53:34 AM
Compact tiner skeletonized with brass.   :D
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Post by: FInixNOver on June 29, 2018, 10:04:19 AM
:drool: :drool: :drool:

:salute:

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Post by: this_is_nascar on June 29, 2018, 12:39:01 PM
Compact tiner skeletonized with brass.   :D
Nice to put on a shelf, but for everyday use, you'd spend more time cleaning lint out of it, than actually using it.


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Post by: Syph007 on June 29, 2018, 02:26:36 PM
Compact tiner skeletonized with brass.   :D
Nice to put on a shelf, but for everyday use, you'd spend more time cleaning lint out of it, than actually using it.


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That hasn't been an issue at all actually. 
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Post by: Don Pablo on June 29, 2018, 02:45:24 PM
Compact tiner skeletonized with brass.   :D
Nice to put on a shelf, but for everyday use, you'd spend more time cleaning lint out of it, than actually using it.


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That hasn't been an issue at all actually.
I imagine that its no more of a lint magnet than a regular SAK, and in addition, the skeleton scales make it very easy to clean, in comparison? :think:
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Post by: AlephZero on June 30, 2018, 09:02:21 PM
Compact tiner skeletonized with brass.   :D
Nice to put on a shelf, but for everyday use, you'd spend more time cleaning lint out of it, than actually using it.


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That hasn't been an issue at all actually.
I imagine that its no more of a lint magnet than a regular SAK, and in addition, the skeleton scales make it very easy to clean, in comparison? :think:

And if you'd have a sheath for it, lint wouldn't be an issue to begin with, I guess?
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Post by: Mechanickal on June 30, 2018, 09:19:11 PM
Pabs has a valid point.
It might be even easier to clean it like that.
Even with a compressor...
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Post by: Syph007 on July 04, 2018, 03:03:32 AM
And back to Px's.  This one with brass liners though.

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Post by: Syph007 on July 10, 2018, 01:38:46 AM
Compact deluxe tinker with drawer/clip/keyring.  :D

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Post by: ThePeacent on July 10, 2018, 02:19:22 PM
Compact deluxe tinker with drawer/clip/keyring.  :D

DANG!  :like: :like:

(https://i.imgur.com/7U0kJTm.gif)
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Post by: zrxoa1 on July 22, 2018, 10:33:13 AM
Syph, what model number are those pocket clips you use?




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Post by: Syph007 on July 22, 2018, 02:53:00 PM
Syph, what model number are those pocket clips you use?




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https://www.knifekits.com/vcom/2030-micro-foldover-clip-model-finish-p-2107.html

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Post by: zrxoa1 on July 22, 2018, 05:08:59 PM
Syph, what model number are those pocket clips you use?




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Post by: Syph007 on July 25, 2018, 01:44:49 AM
A little different scales on this one.   Simple lines at 45 degrees.  I just used an engraving bit and it turned out just fine.
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 25, 2018, 02:14:45 AM
Nice :tu:
JR
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Post by: zrxoa1 on July 25, 2018, 02:42:51 AM
Now that is one I can truly see myself carrying!!

Nice!!


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Post by: Huntsman on July 25, 2018, 11:18:11 AM
A little different scales on this one.   Simple lines at 45 degrees.  I just used an engraving bit and it turned out just fine.

What's that ?   ???

A Compact Tinkering Mountaineer ?   ???  :pok:
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Post by: hiraethus on July 25, 2018, 11:21:42 AM
What's that ?   ???
Chicken Grater. :D
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Post by: Ron Who on July 25, 2018, 11:31:12 AM
Classy scales, like a pin stripe suit!  :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on July 25, 2018, 12:24:46 PM
A little different scales on this one.   Simple lines at 45 degrees.  I just used an engraving bit and it turned out just fine.

What's that ?   ???

A Compact Tinkering Mountaineer ?   ???  :pok:

For sure a unique toolset.  Parts from 3 Saks to build it.
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Post by: stoneshank on July 26, 2018, 12:17:29 PM
Hey Syph. You made any progress on 84mm cadet X? I'm just curious.

- stoneshank

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Post by: Poncho65 on July 30, 2018, 03:22:22 AM
All these creations have my mind all :sa: everyone that I see I am like "that's perfect" :ahhh Then I see the next one :facepalm: So many great SAKs in here Syph :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on August 03, 2018, 12:55:31 AM
Compact deluxe tinker with copper cross and scale drawer with clip.  A really nice 3 layer.  :D

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Post by: Syph007 on August 08, 2018, 04:17:16 PM
Slim 93 with brass cross and classic texture.

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Post by: Ron Who on August 08, 2018, 05:52:37 PM
 :like:
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Post by: Corso on August 10, 2018, 03:13:41 AM
Nice work, Syph!  I may have missed it, but do you make a drawer for the 93mm scales also?  If so, I have a 93mm custom you made for me a while back that I might want to mod further.
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Post by: Syph007 on August 23, 2018, 02:04:33 PM
Ive mostly been doing the same models I normally do. Heres a slightly different than normal one though.  Full back scale yeoman.

Ive also finally started on my journey to make fixtures to repeatably modify 91mm scissors layer to fit 84mm.  Bantams and cadets with scissors should be realized in September.  I need a fixture to modify the scissors (which Im doing right now), one for the backspring and one for the hook.  The hook will need to be part of the layer since the modern spring has it.   Its not cost effective to make a batch of springs when I have so many of the standard ones I can make work.   :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on August 23, 2018, 02:05:32 PM
Nice work, Syph!  I may have missed it, but do you make a drawer for the 93mm scales also?  If so, I have a 93mm custom you made for me a while back that I might want to mod further.

Yes for sure.  The only difference is its on the front scale due to the fold over awl on the blade layer.
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Post by: Aloha on August 23, 2018, 02:42:27 PM
Cadets with scissors  :woohoo:

 
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Post by: TazzieRob on August 24, 2018, 04:55:31 AM
Cadets with scissors  :woohoo:

 

 :iagree:
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Post by: Willem85 on August 25, 2018, 01:51:37 AM
Have you ever made a 93 mm SAK with a large blade, a pruning blade and a woodsaw? If so, do you have pictures? Would be a nice present for my dad who's always busy in his garden.

Second question have you modified the large blade into a combo plain-serrated edge? Any cons to that?

Thanks
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Post by: Ron Who on August 25, 2018, 10:04:39 AM
Have you ever made a 93 mm SAK with a large blade, a pruning blade and a woodsaw? If so, do you have pictures? Would be a nice present for my dad who's always busy in his garden.

That would be the Wilderness model. Vx only made a few hundred, so they´re rare and probably expensive. I would like to have one. Using a Harvester as modding fodder it would not be too difficult to make one, putting the pruner blade in the place of the awl.

(pics from Victorinox and SakWiki)
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Post by: Willem85 on August 27, 2018, 09:38:51 AM
Thanks Ron Who.
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Post by: FInixNOver on August 27, 2018, 11:38:03 AM
Keep in mind that, in order for the pruner blade to replace the awl, it'll need to be twisted a little bit to the scale side, otherwise, it'll collide with the main blade.
Other than that, it's a good solution! Or just use the Harvester as is, and you get a poking tool and a bottle opener as bonus (it's always beer o'clock somewhere in the world)

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Post by: Ron Who on August 27, 2018, 12:13:22 PM
The Harvester is OK. But if you want serrations, you might try to find a SwissBianco Carver SW. It´s a discontinued model but someone might be willing to sell (not me!). It should be about twice the price of a Harvester. A Syph mod will give you extra features like Ti scales and torxed construction.
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Post by: FInixNOver on August 27, 2018, 01:23:56 PM
Yeah, forgot to mention... If you go with a Syph mod, you're in really good hands!

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Post by: Syph007 on August 28, 2018, 12:20:47 AM
Just your standard basic keychain sak here.  :D

XLT minus mag layer, fish scaler and spatula.
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Post by: willfcc on August 28, 2018, 01:17:55 AM
I’d like to see THAT keychain.


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Post by: pa_strunk on August 28, 2018, 03:41:10 AM
You know I was just thinking how inadequate and puny my leatherman squirt Is on my keychain. Now I have found a respectable replacement.
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Post by: Simyo on August 28, 2018, 04:05:09 AM
Keep in mind that, in order for the pruner blade to replace the awl, it'll need to be twisted a little bit to the scale side, otherwise, it'll collide with the main blade.
Other than that, it's a good solution! Or just use the Harvester as is, and you get a poking tool and a bottle opener as bonus (it's always beer o'clock somewhere in the world)

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Isn't it angled in the same direction as the small blade and combotool, since they make a single layer with the pruner blade?  It's short enough that it doesn't have to have the direction reversed to be on the opener spring.
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Post by: FInixNOver on August 28, 2018, 01:43:03 PM
Unfortunately no.
Both the sheepsfoot blade (from electrician) and the pruner blade (from the harvester) face the same direction. They are mounted in the opener layer across from the bottle opener, towards the inside of the SAK.
Therefore, when you switch them with the awl, they'll still be facing the inside of the SAK.
I know this by experience, as I've done the same using an Harvester as donor.
I've never held a Vic Pruner before though...

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Post by: Willem85 on August 28, 2018, 03:05:49 PM
Thanks again for the comments. Ron Who and FlnixNOver.

I think I might give him the harvester and see how he likes it before I go and spend a fortune on a custom. I'd hate for it to end up in a drawer!

Now for myself I'm still on the fence on which tools I'd want.

What I'm sure of:
Wood saw, metal saw, reamer, large blade, pruning blade.

Where I'm still on the fence
Philips/can opener/cap lifter layer   OR    Cybertool?
Pliers?
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Post by: Syph007 on August 30, 2018, 10:47:21 PM
Its been along time since I build a rancher, but I did today.
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Post by: clown on September 10, 2018, 02:28:59 AM
Its been along time since I build a rancher, but I did today.

THAT is a thing of beauty! Very nice Syph  :hatsoff:
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Post by: Amplified on September 20, 2018, 06:24:04 PM
Syph007, I've been trying to get in touch with you regarding some mods I would like to have done to a Deluxe Tinker. I've tried emailing you at the email you list on SAKmodder.com and emailing your through your profile here, but haven't had any luck. Is there a preferred way to get in touch with you to discuss possible mods?
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Post by: Syph007 on September 20, 2018, 07:44:31 PM
Syph007, I've been trying to get in touch with you regarding some mods I would like to have done to a Deluxe Tinker. I've tried emailing you at the email you list on SAKmodder.com and emailing your through your profile here, but haven't had any luck. Is there a preferred way to get in touch with you to discuss possible mods?

Sorry I'mma behind on my emails.  I will have a look tonight and try to catch up.   If you use Instagram that's the fastest way to get ahold of me
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Post by: Amplified on September 20, 2018, 08:04:39 PM
Syph007, I've been trying to get in touch with you regarding some mods I would like to have done to a Deluxe Tinker. I've tried emailing you at the email you list on SAKmodder.com and emailing your through your profile here, but haven't had any luck. Is there a preferred way to get in touch with you to discuss possible mods?

Sorry I'mma behind on my emails.  I will have a look tonight and try to catch up.   If you use Instagram that's the fastest way to get ahold of me

Well you'll probably end up seeing two different inquiries regarding the Deluxe Tinker I have, please ignore the first, less elaborate request as I subsequently decided I wanted to see if more extensive mods could be done. Thanks.
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Post by: Syph007 on September 21, 2018, 05:17:46 PM
The small slot on the front of this one is for a tritium vial.  Not installed for these pics.

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Post by: Mechanickal on September 21, 2018, 06:02:06 PM
Oh my...

Put a combo tool in it instead of the opener layer and that would be a dream SAK... :drool:
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Post by: Ron Who on September 21, 2018, 06:22:52 PM
I had a dream SAK made by Syph last Christmas.  I´m thinking about a second one for next Christmas. I dream many different dreams.  :)
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Post by: ReamerPunch on September 21, 2018, 06:31:13 PM
I had a dream SAK made by Syph last Christmas.  I´m thinking about a second one for next Christmas. I dream many different dreams.  :)

I also dream of the perfect SAK. The thing is, when you have the option of choosing exactly what goes into it, what do you choose? I am certain I'll regret whatever I order. "Oh, I wish I had asked for the file as well." etc.
Still, I have narrowed it down to a Deluxe Tinker, with inline awl, drawer, wrench scale. Probably saw and file too.  :facepalm: CyberTool?  :facepalm: :facepalm:
It's gonna be a tough decision.
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Post by: Huntsman on September 22, 2018, 01:22:48 AM
The small slot on the front of this one is for a tritium vial.  Not installed for these pics.
Nice - So fire steel and pen in the drawer and no tp ? 
Those small crosses look really intricate - How did you make those  ???

I also dream of the perfect SAK. The thing is, when you have the option of choosing exactly what goes into it, what do you choose? .........
It's gonna be a tough decision.
My concern too - The other one being - What if I lose it?  !!      :o
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Post by: Fast Bill on October 21, 2018, 07:49:52 PM
I had a dream SAK made by Syph last Christmas.  I´m thinking about a second one for next Christmas. I dream many different dreams.  :)

That SAK Ron is excellent and why wouldn’t you dream about another. I know I did ... and I do! :cheers:
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Post by: Syph007 on October 25, 2018, 11:45:54 PM
Ive mostly been building lots of the same old things so I havent posted them here.  Today at least is something different.  The customer wanted a clean look with Ti and brass.  :D

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Post by: AlephZero on October 26, 2018, 05:05:37 PM
Very nice, very nice!  :cheers:

Love the duo color!  :salute:
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Post by: RF52 on October 26, 2018, 08:02:25 PM
Very nice, very nice!  :cheers:

Love the duo color!  :salute:
+1 :like: :hatsoff:

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Post by: Huntsman on October 27, 2018, 01:20:01 AM
Hey Syph - Your fence post must be very famous   :pok:    :(
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Post by: Syph007 on October 27, 2018, 03:09:16 AM
Hey Syph - Your fence post must be very famous   :pok:    :(

Haha ya for sure.  It's been in 1000s of pics
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Post by: RF52 on October 28, 2018, 12:52:55 AM
Ive mostly been building lots of the same old things so I havent posted them here.  Today at least is something different.  The customer wanted a clean look with Ti and brass.  :D
Love your work :hatsoff:
How thick is the brass you make the scales from?

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Post by: Syph007 on October 28, 2018, 12:49:47 PM
Ive mostly been building lots of the same old things so I havent posted them here.  Today at least is something different.  The customer wanted a clean look with Ti and brass.  :D
Love your work :hatsoff:
How thick is the brass you make the scales from?

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0.100"
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Post by: Poncho65 on October 28, 2018, 03:06:35 PM
Great pics and marvelous work as always :dd: :drool: :like:
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Post by: AlephZero on October 29, 2018, 08:08:04 PM
Awesome work, as always!   :cheers:
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Post by: AlephZero on October 29, 2018, 08:09:10 PM
Hey Syph - Your fence post must be very famous   :pok:    :(

And I am proud that my Quantum Mechanic has been on it...  :D
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Post by: Syph007 on October 29, 2018, 10:52:54 PM
The request on this one was to make a thinnest Ti scaled 91mm waiter as possible.  I used the same Ti stock as I do for the 58mm scales.  Pretty close in thickness to an alox bantam.

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Post by: Don Pablo on October 29, 2018, 11:05:07 PM
A wonder!  :drool:
I dunno how I’d feel about the corkscrew sticking out like that though.
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Post by: Syph007 on October 30, 2018, 01:19:57 AM
A wonder!  :drool:
I dunno how I’d feel about the corkscrew sticking out like that though.

Well it started off with him asking if I can fit a corkscrew on a 58mm build and we ended up here so I'm assuming the corkscrew was a must have.  I don't see any way to make a thinner corkscrew sak.
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Post by: Huntsman on October 30, 2018, 01:52:57 AM
The request on this one was to make a thinnest Ti scaled 91mm waiter as possible.  I used the same Ti stock as I do for the 58mm scales.  Pretty close in thickness to an alox bantam.

Amazing - Love all this Ti thin stuff

Kinda agree with DP about the CS - But as it is so smooth and the point is tucked away - Not really a problem

A CS on a 58mm would be pretty funny !! Can't even imagine how that one would work - Or that anyone would think it could work!
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Post by: Syph007 on November 01, 2018, 11:30:33 PM
This one is becoming often requested as of late. Lots of functionality in a small package.  :D
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Post by: Poncho65 on November 02, 2018, 11:03:04 AM
This one is becoming often requested as of late. Lots of functionality in a small package.  :D

:dd: I can see why it is so requested :drool: :like:
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Post by: ReamerPunch on November 02, 2018, 12:59:08 PM
No awl?  :cry: :pok:
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Post by: Syph007 on November 02, 2018, 02:10:55 PM
No awl?  :cry: :pok:

An inline 93mm awl can fit in place if combo tool if awl is more important :D
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Post by: Syph007 on November 03, 2018, 03:44:59 PM
I had a customer ask for a custom inlay but with texture as well.  I found if I offset the texture from the outer profile shape by about 0.050" it worked out just fine.

The symbol is a Wawa aba
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Post by: Syph007 on November 07, 2018, 03:48:39 PM
And here is the scale as part of a huntsman.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=406581;image)
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Post by: Huntsman on November 07, 2018, 10:37:47 PM
Another beauty - Your creativity and capability never ceases to amaze me Mr. Syph (along with your assistant Mr Tormach)

You must have some amazed and delighted customers around the world
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Post by: RYNOC on November 10, 2018, 02:07:11 AM
Excellent thread and incredible work! I’m looking to “dip” my toe into alox modding. I’d like to simply replace the pins on a cadet with torx screws/pivots and maybe try to make some copper scales. Could anyone tell me what size and length barrel spacers and screws would work for the cadet’s normal thickness? Thanks a lot I’m going to keep reading this thread now!


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Post by: Syph007 on November 20, 2018, 07:32:14 PM
Harvard shield in copper on this one. :D
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Post by: RF52 on November 20, 2018, 07:36:06 PM
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Post by: Huntsman on November 21, 2018, 12:27:40 AM
That is very slim - And very nice!!

The combi tool seems much more popular  than the openers in your mods
Or is that just the ones we see!
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Post by: Syph007 on November 21, 2018, 08:24:30 PM
That is very slim - And very nice!!

The combi tool seems much more popular  than the openers in your mods
Or is that just the ones we see!

Yup everyone wants the combo.
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Post by: Toppskarven . on November 21, 2018, 09:53:55 PM
I have a theory.. :think:. Bob Ross just changed his name and started modding SAK's instead of painting... I wouldn't be surprised Syph has a beard and a big hairdo... :whistle:
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Post by: Poncho65 on November 22, 2018, 02:36:26 AM
 :rofl:

(https://i.imgflip.com/2n5sf7.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/2n5sf7)via Imgflip Meme Generator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)

If I could only put a SAK in his hand in place of the paint brush :rofl:
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Post by: Syph007 on November 22, 2018, 02:57:40 AM
Yep you got me!  I can store up to 4 Saks in my hair!
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Post by: Poncho65 on November 22, 2018, 03:10:48 AM
Yep you got me!  I can store up to 4 Saks in my hair!

 :o :dd:

 :rofl:
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Post by: Syph007 on December 03, 2018, 04:12:48 PM
Don't know how to post Instagram video but hopefully this link works.  Sak ninja!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqyVBfXhZ4-/
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Post by: Serena on December 03, 2018, 04:55:51 PM
Nice!!!!
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Post by: Syph007 on December 18, 2018, 04:08:25 PM
A CT 41 plus mag glass layer makes a wide sak!  The pivots are 1.2" long.
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Post by: Wspeed on December 18, 2018, 04:14:55 PM
That’s just gorgeous  :dd: :like:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on December 18, 2018, 04:51:39 PM
 :iagree:

Just wow.....  :drool: :ahhh
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Post by: FInixNOver on December 18, 2018, 05:06:15 PM
Nice! :like: :cheers:

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Post by: AlephZero on December 18, 2018, 08:20:16 PM
Well that's bigger than my Quantum Mechanic... :dd:
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Post by: Poncho65 on December 18, 2018, 11:58:37 PM
 :ahhh :ahhh :drool: :drool: :dd: :dd: :like: :like: :ahhh :ahhh
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Post by: Fuzzbucket on December 19, 2018, 12:09:56 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/afcgyMA2255Kg/giphy.gif)

 :like:
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Post by: pa_strunk on December 20, 2018, 01:23:04 AM
 :tu: :tu: :tu:
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Post by: jaya_man on December 20, 2018, 03:13:56 PM
:drool:
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Post by: DennisW on December 21, 2018, 10:59:17 AM
Hi Syph i was looking for new scales for my SAK and ended up here (through google) and saw the most beautiful things.
Now it would be a total waste to put such nice scales on my old beat up spartan so i will be buying a plastic pair for my knive.
But i have a question or a remark, why do you still use the plastic little screwdriver with your all titanium and brons knives. You make the tweezer and magnifier in metal  and then leave the
little screwdriver in plastic. would it not be much nicer if that was metal too. Is it because your mil has no 4th axis?. Maybe you can do something with the second drawing i posted.
It is a triangular screwdriver handle that can be machined on three sides where you machine the pitch on three sides. So you don't need a 4th axis.
Dennis

 
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Post by: Reinier on December 21, 2018, 11:57:55 AM
That looks awesome.
But isn't it reversed? A mirror image?
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Post by: ReamerPunch on December 21, 2018, 01:13:14 PM
 :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
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Post by: Wspeed on December 21, 2018, 01:28:05 PM
That looks a gorgeous mini screwdriver   :dd: :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on December 21, 2018, 02:05:49 PM
Hi Syph i was looking for new scales for my SAK and ended up here (through google) and saw the most beautiful things.
Now it would be a total waste to put such nice scales on my old beat up spartan so i will be buying a plastic pair for my knive.
But i have a question or a remark, why do you still use the plastic little screwdriver with your all titanium and brons knives. You make the tweezer and magnifier in metal  and then leave the
little screwdriver in plastic. would it not be much nicer if that was metal too. Is it because your mil has no 4th axis?. Maybe you can do something with the second drawing i posted.
It is a triangular screwdriver handle that can be machined on three sides where you machine the pitch on three sides. So you don't need a 4th axis.
Dennis

 

Im doing a flat version that fits in the fold out drawer I make.  Machining that shape spiral would be a nightmare with no 4th axis.  Work holding for that on my standard 3 axis would be annoying.
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Post by: Fast Bill on December 26, 2018, 09:41:12 PM
Looking forward to seeing this little screwdriver idea emerge  :popcorn:
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Post by: ReamerPunch on December 27, 2018, 01:42:57 AM
Are there any saks with the drawer and the in-line awl?  :think:
You'd have to open the awl to then open the drawer, but that's not too much of a hassle.
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Post by: Syph007 on December 27, 2018, 06:15:57 PM
Are there aney saks with the drawer and the in-line awl?  :think:
You'd have to open the awl to then open the drawer, but that's not too much of a hassle.

That's why I put the drawer on front scale for 93s
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Post by: ReamerPunch on December 28, 2018, 12:25:15 AM
 :salute:
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Post by: ReamerPunch on January 09, 2019, 04:27:13 AM
I am also wondering if the tweezers and toothpick can be stacked one on top of the other, to fit in the drawer, so you could also fit the tiny pen and a tiny ferro rod.  :think:
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Post by: Syph007 on January 15, 2019, 08:01:30 PM
I am also wondering if the tweezers and toothpick can be stacked one on top of the other, to fit in the drawer, so you could also fit the tiny pen and a tiny ferro rod.  :think:

Yes actually that does work if I shorten the toothpick just a touch more.

Not too much new on the modding front, just lots of 93mm drawer saks mostly.  I did do a series of spartans for a local winery.  https://www.rosewoodwine.com/  The bee symbol is their logo.

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Post by: Syph007 on January 16, 2019, 10:13:41 PM
I guess this would be a Pioneer Apprentice X :D
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Post by: RF52 on January 16, 2019, 10:23:21 PM
Beautiful work as awlways :like: :hatsoff:

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Post by: Wspeed on January 16, 2019, 10:26:53 PM
Very nice indeed  :tu: :like:
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Post by: pa_strunk on January 17, 2019, 02:11:37 PM
Sweet  :tu:
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Post by: Poncho65 on January 17, 2019, 02:43:29 PM
I guess this would be a Pioneer Apprentice X :D

That is just about as awesome as I have seen for a minimalist knife :o :dd: :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on January 19, 2019, 10:40:15 PM
Monolayer Sak day with snowstorm outdoor pics.  :D

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Post by: Poncho65 on January 20, 2019, 12:19:32 AM
The design in the metal of that cross is awesome looking :o :like:
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Post by: RF52 on January 20, 2019, 12:31:03 PM
The design in the metal of that cross is awesome looking :o :like:
:iagree:

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Post by: Syph007 on January 25, 2019, 03:50:09 PM
Couple of spartans with custom engraving was my latest work.  :D
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Post by: Huntsman on January 25, 2019, 09:56:40 PM
Looks like a his and hers pair - Wonderful

I've said this before but your SAKs are works of art sir
Almost too beautiful to carry. But who'd not want to pull one of those out of your pocket
And as they are so tough - the only concern is losing them!

I know Vic know of your work - I hope they are as proud of it as we are!

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Post by: Syph007 on January 28, 2019, 04:55:17 PM
Pioneer Pruner + Pioneer Farmer + Pioneer Electrician + Pioneer X = Pioneer Magnum.  :D

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Post by: FInixNOver on January 28, 2019, 05:40:52 PM
Pioneer Pruner + Pioneer Farmer + Pioneer Electrician + Pioneer X = Pioneer Magnum.  :D
Awlsome! :like: :tu:

Is that a main blade backspring you're using for the electrician+pruner blades layer?

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Post by: Syph007 on January 29, 2019, 01:07:50 AM
Pioneer Pruner + Pioneer Farmer + Pioneer Electrician + Pioneer X = Pioneer Magnum.  :D
Awlsome! :like: :tu:

Is that a main blade backspring you're using for the electrician+pruner blades layer?

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Ya has to be the blade spring.
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Post by: FInixNOver on January 29, 2019, 08:39:57 AM
Pioneer Pruner + Pioneer Farmer + Pioneer Electrician + Pioneer X = Pioneer Magnum.  :D
Awlsome! :like: :tu:

Is that a main blade backspring you're using for the electrician+pruner blades layer?

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Ya has to be the blade spring.
Last question:
Did you get good spring tension on both blades without any modification?

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Post by: Syph007 on January 29, 2019, 04:53:27 PM

Did you get good spring tension on both blades without any modification?

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Feels same as a normal blade to me. 
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Post by: FInixNOver on January 29, 2019, 06:24:01 PM

Feels same as a normal blade to me.
I guess I keep forgetting about the difference between working with precision tools and mods like the ones I've done so far... :facepalm:
I need to point out that I only mod for my personal use, and would very much like to improve myself whenever possible. That being said, I have yet one more question, a request, let's say... Can you share the position for each of the 2 blades against the backspring, as it isn't symmetrical?

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Post by: Syph007 on January 29, 2019, 06:59:50 PM

I guess I keep forgetting about the difference between working with precision tools and mods like the ones I've done so far... :facepalm:
I need to point out that I only mod for my personal use, and would very much like to improve myself whenever possible. That being said, I have yet one more question, a request, let's say... Can you share the position for each of the 2 blades against the backspring, as it isn't symmetrical?

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[/quote].

 Do you mean the offset?  Each side needs a 0.040" spacer on different sides but that becomes very obvious if you try to out them together as each is bent.
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Post by: FInixNOver on January 29, 2019, 08:33:02 PM
What I meant is which blade goes on the side where the main blade was supposed to be.

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Post by: Syph007 on February 16, 2019, 04:31:12 AM
I finally found a source for nickel silver thick enough make a mag glass frame out of.  I needed an option for people wanting a silver looking holder and Ti really doesnt make for a good option do to the sticky action.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=422103;image)
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Post by: kottskrapa on February 16, 2019, 04:34:58 AM
Amazing as always! Looks really really good

[It's not failure if you learn something from it]

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Post by: Syph007 on February 20, 2019, 07:02:17 PM
I caved and ordered some Timascus.  Beautiful material but very expensive.  About 400 USD for this 2x10 piece and this is the lower cost only one side is fancy patterned stuff, but it really is impressive looking material.  From this I can get 4 scales and a bunch of crosses for inserts, once I get up my nerve to cut into it of course.  :D

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=422662;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=422664;image)
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Post by: Mechanickal on February 20, 2019, 07:03:24 PM
Soooo looking forward to the result! :popcorn:

Never heard of it before but looks magnificent.
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Post by: Syph007 on February 20, 2019, 07:12:49 PM
Soooo looking forward to the result! :popcorn:

Never heard of it before but looks magnificent.

Its basically pattern welded Titanium.  Only sold through alpha knife supply as they have the patent on the process.  Ive seen it used by other knife makers for scales but never seen it in person until now.
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Post by: Mechanickal on February 20, 2019, 07:14:58 PM
Now it sounds even more expensive...

I honesty hope you'll build at least one set of scales with this. Even though that's easy for me to say, not having any funds in it...
:popcorn:
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Post by: Syph007 on February 21, 2019, 12:35:52 PM
Now it sounds even more expensive...

I honesty hope you'll build at least one set of scales with this. Even though that's easy for me to say, not having any funds in it...
:popcorn:

My plan is to make 4 front scales not sure it it will be pioneer size or standard 91.  Probably 93 since this material is thick enough for the drawer option and that I do on front scales for pioneers.  Im still deciding how to cut it up.  I might hand cut a small cross from the corner to start off with and do a cross insert.  Then I can see about heat anodizing. 

AKS says the electro methods of anodizing on this material dont work as nice as heat anodizing.  Not sure if heat is just heat or needs to be flame.  If I could put it in an oven to anodize that would be nice, but not sure of what temp.  So lots of playing and testing to see what works.  :D
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Post by: Mechanickal on February 21, 2019, 12:37:48 PM
Even a drawer in these??! :sa:

I'm volunteering to do the end user testing phase :whistle:
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Post by: Syph007 on February 21, 2019, 12:38:45 PM
Forgot to post my single layer mod from last week.  Only catch was the phillips lugs hit the scale and prevented it from closing completely.  So I machined out some clearance pockets and it was good to go.

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Post by: jaya_man on February 21, 2019, 12:43:57 PM
Nice Timascus... :popcorn:
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Post by: pa_strunk on February 21, 2019, 02:05:05 PM
Thin to win  :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on February 25, 2019, 12:30:55 AM
What do you get when you take an 11 layer XLT and add 2 custom layers?  I dont know, but it looks like this.  :D

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Post by: kottskrapa on February 25, 2019, 05:26:41 AM
Holy crap that is a real beast!

[It's not failure if you learn something from it]

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Post by: FInixNOver on February 25, 2019, 08:14:55 AM
You took the words right out of my mouth!!

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Post by: Wspeed on February 25, 2019, 12:41:28 PM
What a beautiful creation  :dd: :like: :like:
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Post by: Huntsman on February 25, 2019, 10:50:22 PM
What a monster !     :o     And very spectacular  :tu: 

Syph - Any idea from your client if this is a user or a display piece

This is one of those "can deal with any situation" SAKs - But you need a wheelbarrow/circuit training to carry it  ;)
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Post by: Syph007 on February 25, 2019, 10:52:03 PM
What a monster !     :o     And very spectacular  :tu: 

Syph - Any idea from your client if this is a user or a display piece

This is one of those can deal with any situation SAKs - But you need a wheelbarrow/circuit training to carry it  ;)

I think he plans to carry it. He was shopping for a sheath to fit it.
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Post by: Huntsman on February 26, 2019, 03:26:15 AM
^^^ Excellent   - Good on him    :tu: 

I suppose it would be crazy not to carry - Given that it is a custom personalised SAK

I guess the XAVT sheath would be too wide - With the thicker scales and two extra fat tool layers over your creation
Maybe the XLT sheath would work if you stretch it a bit!! ..... Especially as you have saved on liner & scale width ?  ???
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Post by: Dowork on February 26, 2019, 11:13:24 AM
I think he plans to carry it. He was shopping for a sheath to fit it.

I love when people actually carry their prized possessions. Sometimes it’s hard though. I look at my pieces and fear damaging them of course. I guess that’s why I buy two of everything lol.
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Post by: Syph007 on February 27, 2019, 12:41:43 AM
Diving in.  First scale will be 93mm front with drawer.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=423488;image)
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 27, 2019, 12:43:54 AM
 :tu: :tu:
JR
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Post by: Reinier on February 27, 2019, 07:19:34 AM
That one will be gorgeous :dd:
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Post by: lowtech on February 27, 2019, 05:44:07 PM
You took the words right out of my mouth!!

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...and now I will have this stuck in my ears until I get the chance to play this really old CD.  :twak:

BTW: Very nice looking material!
I have not been in the loop, so I´ll have to look up the drawer scales and am interested to know if these bit holder / wrench scales are still made.
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Post by: jaya_man on February 28, 2019, 01:39:24 AM
Wondering how those Timascus would look like with textures :drool:
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Post by: pfrsantos on February 28, 2019, 05:10:26 PM
I caved and ordered some Timascus.  Beautiful material but very expensive.  About 400 USD for this 2x10 piece and this is the lower cost only one side is fancy patterned stuff, but it really is impressive looking material.  From this I can get 4 scales and a bunch of crosses for inserts, once I get up my nerve to cut into it of course.  :D

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=422662;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=422664;image)

Awesome!

 :o :o

Instead of a bunch of crosses, could you get enough for an OPT or a simple dangler clip?

(https://cdn.everydaycarry.com/uploads/17-02-16/158a617b358f49.jpg)
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Post by: Syph007 on March 01, 2019, 02:50:51 PM
Wondering how those Timascus would look like with textures :drool:

I tried.  It's weird.  Not horrible but very weird.

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Post by: Wspeed on March 01, 2019, 03:28:05 PM
I think that those scales look really good  :like: :tu:
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Post by: jaya_man on March 01, 2019, 03:35:25 PM
Oh.... uhmmm... yep... looks kinda weird... maybe if their polished? I guess maybe this would also depend on the Timascus pattern as well...
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Post by: Aloha on March 03, 2019, 02:30:50 AM
Just now catching up.  WOW that XLT with custom tools  :drool:.   That is super cool. 
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Post by: WWW on March 03, 2019, 02:49:08 PM
Nice work as always Robert. I got to say, I actually like the textured one. I wonder how awkward/"unergonomic" would it be to have flutes like the one on a Tighe Coon?
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Post by: Syph007 on March 03, 2019, 05:41:53 PM
Oh man I love Brian's work.  He's got some awesome stuff.  Only lives a couple hours from me too and Im super jelaous of his stuff. I talked to him on the phone once when I bought damasteel from him as he is the Canadian dealer.

I would love to experiment more bit it's about 100 USD per scale for material so I'm afraid to mess up to much.  Im going to build the textured one into a pioneer x and see how it looks.
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Post by: WWW on March 04, 2019, 02:56:06 AM
Oh man I love Brian's work.  He's got some awesome stuff.  Only lives a couple hours from me too and Im super jelaous of his stuff. I talked to him on the phone once when I bought damasteel from him as he is the Canadian dealer.

I would love to experiment more bit it's about 100 USD per scale for material so I'm afraid to mess up to much.  Im going to build the textured one into a pioneer x and see how it looks.
:like: I like how it sounds!! And I'm laughing at myself, I totally forgot you guys were from the same neighbourhood.
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Post by: Syph007 on March 04, 2019, 09:37:51 PM
Eighth time's a charm!  This was how I was trying to get it to look the first time.  Gold and electric blue baby!
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Post by: Mechanickal on March 04, 2019, 09:40:06 PM
Hypnotising beauty!! :sa:
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Post by: kottskrapa on March 04, 2019, 09:40:18 PM
Just amazing!

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Post by: Fuzzbucket on March 04, 2019, 09:41:42 PM
 :hatsoff:
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Post by: zoidberg on March 04, 2019, 09:47:29 PM
WANT!   :gimme:
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Post by: RF52 on March 04, 2019, 09:55:50 PM
Those look absolutely gorgeous! :hatsoff:

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Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 04, 2019, 10:00:44 PM
Very nice!
JR
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Post by: BePrepared on March 04, 2019, 10:15:35 PM
Amazing.   :tu:  :tu:  :tu:
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Post by: Wspeed on March 04, 2019, 10:37:44 PM
Wow those colours are gorgeous  :dd: :like: :like:
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Post by: WWW on March 04, 2019, 11:01:46 PM
That is real pretty!!
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Post by: Don Pablo on March 04, 2019, 11:36:45 PM
That's so mesmerising!
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Post by: Syph007 on March 05, 2019, 12:09:42 AM
The textured anodized experiment Im going to call snakeskin. :D I'll probably just be doing the smooth scale for timascus now that I know whats what.

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Post by: RF52 on March 05, 2019, 08:05:56 AM
I like the smooth scales better :cheers:

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Post by: FInixNOver on March 05, 2019, 08:14:31 AM
:iagree:

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Post by: Syph007 on March 05, 2019, 11:14:44 PM
Ive been numbering these scales since they're pretty limited.  Wasnt sure what do do with the drawer so I just made it blue.

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Post by: Syph007 on March 05, 2019, 11:15:54 PM
Here is the scale built onto a Pioneer x.  Im pretty happy with how this turned out!

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Post by: Wspeed on March 05, 2019, 11:47:30 PM
Gorgeous  :dd: :like: :like:
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Post by: RF52 on March 06, 2019, 01:36:41 PM
:iagree: :drool:

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Post by: Poncho65 on March 06, 2019, 05:04:01 PM
Awesome work ther Syph :o those colors are just so :dd: :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on March 11, 2019, 09:39:15 PM
Im getting the hang of the anodize now.  Even consistent slow heating is pretty key.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on March 11, 2019, 09:48:40 PM
Gorgeous  :dd: :like: :like:
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Post by: AeroBear21 on March 11, 2019, 11:41:08 PM
I finally made it all the way through this thread and it has been an awesome read. It has been great getting to see how much these mods have evolved over the years. Seeing someone take a newly discovered hobby and shape it into a career is incredibly inspirational. :hatsoff:

I would love to invest in one of your customs someday, but as I'm currently on a college student's budget it will probably be a long way down the road. That's alright though, as it'll give me plenty of time to decide what I want (and give me a chance to change my mind several times). Plus it looks like you'll have plenty of orders to keep you busy till then. In the meantime I'm planning to try some modding myself. One of the benefits of still being in school is access to the campus shop room.

Will be following this thread closely going forward. Can't wait to see what you come up with next. :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 12, 2019, 12:40:46 AM
Oh sweet, that’s like the perfect combo! :tu: nice!
JR
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Post by: Syph007 on March 12, 2019, 03:07:15 AM
Heres what the colors looks like if you go too far with the heat.  I call this finish, rainbow unicorn sparkle.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on March 12, 2019, 03:36:50 AM
Lol :rofl: good name,
Still looks good,
JR
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Post by: tommywp on March 13, 2019, 01:46:31 PM
Hey Syph. I suspect it’s somewhere in this thread but could you compare the weight of a 91mm mod to a comparable 93mm...for example a Climber with TI scales to a stock Pioneer X
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Post by: Huntsman on March 13, 2019, 01:49:47 PM
 :pok:   FTFT    :twak:

Hey Syph,
I suspect it’s somewhere in this thread but please could you compare the weight of a 91mm mod to a comparable 93mm...for example a Climber with TI scales to a stock Pioneer X
Thank you
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Post by: Aloha on March 13, 2019, 02:21:10 PM
I'd call that Ti-dye  :salute:
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Post by: Poncho65 on March 13, 2019, 08:11:57 PM
I'd call that Ti-dye  :salute:

 :iagree: the other name sounds great but I could remember this one much easier  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 13, 2019, 10:25:52 PM
Hey Syph. I suspect it’s somewhere in this thread but could you compare the weight of a 91mm mod to a comparable 93mm...for example a Climber with TI scales to a stock Pioneer X

The 91 would be lighter.  All the backsprings alone have less metal than the 93 versions.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 13, 2019, 10:30:13 PM
Project 84 is a go.  Finally made my scissors fixture. 


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Post by: Wspeed on March 13, 2019, 10:47:57 PM
Good work Syph :like: :tu:
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Post by: FInixNOver on March 13, 2019, 11:13:09 PM
:iagree:

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Post by: Poncho65 on March 14, 2019, 12:20:36 AM
Oh wow :dd: that is awesome  :drool: :like:
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Post by: ReamerPunch on March 14, 2019, 02:45:21 AM
Are those 91mm scissors in that 84mm frame? :o
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Post by: magentus on March 14, 2019, 09:45:07 AM
Fantastic!  :like:  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 14, 2019, 12:57:30 PM
Are those 91mm scissors in that 84mm frame? :o

Yup!  Been meaning to do this for years and finally got to it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on March 14, 2019, 02:33:24 PM
Yup!  Been meaning to do this for years and finally got to it.

Are you a wizard? :think:
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Post by: Poncho65 on March 14, 2019, 04:53:20 PM
I think he is :sa: :dd: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 14, 2019, 08:38:55 PM
And I can now finally confirm a titanium backspring works great!  Only took 5 versions.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on March 14, 2019, 08:42:31 PM
That looks really good Syph  :tu: :like:
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Post by: ReamerPunch on March 15, 2019, 12:17:49 AM
 :iagree: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on March 15, 2019, 02:03:10 AM
Those are the photos I wanted to see - ie with spring

Fantastic

Better still you made your own - I thought that you'd re-use an existing one from an 84mm

So you've put a wee brass nub in there to make the opening smooth - Correct? 
I remember you saying that TI does not glide too well.

The fascinating thing for me is that the body of the scissors fit in the 84mm frame and it's just the tang that gets changed
- Is that correct ? ???
Does make you wonder why Vic stopped this option !!

Anyway - .... Awesome   :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: AeroBear21 on March 15, 2019, 08:37:23 AM
Very cool!

I think it was here that I read Ti stiffens over time. If this is the case it'll be interesting to see how long it takes before that change can actually be felt.

If that brass nub is there to help with the Ti/steel interaction, did you also do something where the scissors slide along the spring while closing, or is that minimal enough that it doesn't effect functionality?

Once again, fantastic work Syph  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on March 15, 2019, 01:57:53 PM
How about an 84 deluxe tinker?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: tommywp on March 16, 2019, 04:05:02 PM
Wow. This is awesome. I’m even more excited about the custom backspring than the 84mm scissors. My favorite part of the 93mm era was all the non-standard tool layouts that allowed for true customizations...this seems to have been lost a little bit with the 91mm mods and my layman’s understanding is that the 91mm backsprings are the big limiting factor. For example, could a slightly wider saw spring accommodate the in line awl at the other end, could a spring be made to accommodate an opener on one side and the small blade on the other, could some ingenious design be created to put 58mm tools on a 91mm (a small scissor that doesn’t take a whole layer!). If it were possible, I know just the guy for the job. Here’s to hoping!!!

 :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 16, 2019, 05:42:07 PM
How about an 84 deluxe tinker?

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You know I think pliers could be cut down in a similar way... Hmmm
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on March 16, 2019, 06:44:30 PM
Oh, having a limited budget I would love an 84 alox deluxe tinker with the small blade instead of the file!
I wonder if the saw and metal file could be cut down for an 84 alox craftsman, or ranger, mountaineer or ranger.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on March 16, 2019, 06:46:13 PM
You know I think pliers could be cut down in a similar way... Hmmm

 :o :popcorn: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 16, 2019, 08:32:12 PM
I ordered some proper oil impregnated bronze for the bearing surface of the spring.  Im going to wait until I get that to finish up the project.  Its intended for a bearing surface under load which is exactly what I need.  And its self lubricating.  They make it by sintering bronze powder into a matrix then infusing oil in the micro voids.  Should work for my purposes perfectly since its intended for a much more robust industrial application than a sak.  :D

Meanwhile I built a 93 configuration that I have never done before.  :D

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=426014;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on March 16, 2019, 08:36:20 PM
I like that a lot  :dd: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on March 16, 2019, 11:24:23 PM
Sacking needle ftw!

Do you craft those yourself too, or are you taking apart First Mates? :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 17, 2019, 12:15:31 AM
Sacking needle ftw!

Do you craft those yourself too, or are you taking apart First Mates? :D

Not making those no.  I got those from one of those short runs of remakes.  Can't remember what models they were.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on March 17, 2019, 01:39:58 AM
You know I think pliers could be cut down in a similar way... Hmmm

 :popcorn: :ahhh :woohoo:
Does an inline awl fit next to the blade?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 17, 2019, 03:35:59 AM
:popcorn: :ahhh :woohoo:
Does an inline awl fit next to the blade?

On an 84?  Yes but would need to be modified or it would sit too high.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on March 17, 2019, 03:47:00 AM
Even so, there is a chance. :-\

84mm Deluxe Tinker, with inline awl. That's the dream. :dd:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gadgetman7 on March 17, 2019, 04:26:29 AM
An 84 mm Swisschamp, minus the scaler, would be awesome!


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 17, 2019, 02:32:33 PM
An 84 mm Swisschamp, minus the scaler, would be awesome!


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The Phillips mag glass layer would be hardest to fit. I think the mag glass would stick up too high.  That would be a nice display model though to show that's possible.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cauldronborn on March 28, 2019, 12:32:04 PM
Hey Syph, its great to you're doing 84mm mods again. :woohoo:

I've thought about getting a sak mod from you for a long time but I never really had enough desire for the larger or smaller sizes. But I think this may just be the push I need to save up and finally get one made. I look forward to seeing what else you manage to do with this frame.  :popcorn:

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 28, 2019, 01:11:24 PM
Hey Syph, its great to you're doing 84mm mods again. :woohoo:

I've thought about getting a sak mod from you for a long time but I never really had enough desire for the larger or smaller sizes. But I think this may just be the push I need to save up and finally get one made. I look forward to seeing what else you manage to do with this frame.  :popcorn:

I've got the 84 scales and scissors layer made now so I am putting together a first build shortly.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 28, 2019, 10:11:17 PM
15 layers.  This one just about broke my patience assembling.  3 custom tools and scale drawers in both scales.

 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=427553;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: RF52 on March 28, 2019, 10:25:09 PM
That must be one heavy piece of kit! Looks awesome though :like:

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Post by: Wspeed on March 28, 2019, 10:29:23 PM
Wow that is excellent  :dd: :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gadgetman7 on March 28, 2019, 10:30:59 PM
That is really cool! Too big for me to carry but my inner gadget freak loves it.


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cauldronborn on March 28, 2019, 11:45:16 PM
Looking at that monster got my brain thinking (a dangerous occurrence I know!) would a 84 mm craftsman be at all possible?

https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Craftsman 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on March 28, 2019, 11:48:16 PM
That's nuts ......  :o     and/or  ..... amazing!!

My OCD had to kick in and work out what it is - I was thinking it was an XLT Plus
But it is actually an XAVT Minus/Plus as you have two layers from the XAVT (watch opener/combo and second blade/awl)
And it has the XAVT no. of layers

So......
Minus:Plus - Syph specials:Correct?  ???
EDIT PS: Looks like they kept the fish scaler - Which most of your customers/mods throw out !

And two drawers - That means a whole new set up and machine program for the second scale - Wowser
Can the instructions just be mirrored/reversed?   ;)

Dread to think what it cost!   :o
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fuzzbucket on March 29, 2019, 12:11:13 AM
15 layers.  This one just about broke my patience assembling.  3 custom tools and scale drawers in both scales.

 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=427553;image)

Wow... That is such an accomplishment!  :hatsoff:

Is there anything you've left out (if you're a fan of Blackadder, you'll get the gif)?  :D

(https://i.imgflip.com/1zw9te.gif)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 29, 2019, 12:52:35 AM
That's nuts ......  :o     and/or  ..... amazing!!

My OCD had to kick in and work out what it is - I was thinking it was an XLT Plus
But it is actually an XAVT Minus/Plus as you have two layers from the XAVT (watch opener/combo and second blade/awl)
And it has the XAVT no. of layers

So......
Minus:
  • Spatula (XLT)
  • Second Cybertool (XAVT) - Which IMHO was always a bit (geddit ?! ;) ) ridiculous
  • Flashlight/Wrench (XAVT)
  • EDIT: And XAVT scales of course
Plus - Syph specials:
  • Comb
  • Fork
  • Marlin Spike
Correct?  ???
EDIT PS: Looks like they kept the fish scaler - Which most of your customers/mods throw out !

And two drawers - That means a whole new set up and machine program for the second scale - Wowser
Can the instructions just be mirrored/reversed?   ;)

Dread to think what it cost!   :o

Haha yes you are 100% correct with your guess at starting sak and changes.  Dual CT drivers was for sure overkill on that but default. 

Yes I did just mirror the code for front drawer scale.  Not too hard but it worked.

Customer sent in the donor and I have t figured out the bill on this yet but definitely in the 500 ballpark.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on March 29, 2019, 11:06:21 AM
A very awesome :dd: yet gigantic SAK :o :ahhh To heavy for me to carry but I hope that the customer is able to :like:
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Post by: magentus on March 29, 2019, 11:25:28 AM
Cool! What's in the other drawer?
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Post by: Syph007 on March 29, 2019, 01:02:20 PM
Cool! What's in the other drawer?

Empty so I'm assuming he's got a plan for something.
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Post by: FInixNOver on March 30, 2019, 02:04:47 AM
15 layers.  This one just about broke my patience assembling.  3 custom tools and scale drawers in both scales.

 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=427553;image)
That's one Smurfin' beast! Love it as a shelfie queen! As a user?... Not so much, but that's just me...

I can imagine the patience being drained out of you as you were building it! It's quite a massive undertaking!!
I'm wondering how many pivots you needed to join together to make this happen... :think:

BTW, is the left over spatula layer up for sale, or already taken? 'Cause I'd very much like to take it off your hands.
Let me know if we can make a deal.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 30, 2019, 02:11:55 PM
That's one Smurfin' beast! Love it as a shelfie queen! As a user?... Not so much, but that's just me...

I can imagine the patience being drained out of you as you were building it! It's quite a massive undertaking!!
I'm wondering how many pivots you needed to join together to make this happen... :think:

BTW, is the left over spatula layer up for sale, or already taken? 'Cause I'd very much like to take it off your hands.
Let me know if we can make a deal.

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It took 5 pivots for 15 pivots in this thing.  2.5 inches is a bit much for a sak.  If I had a lather would have just tapped some bar stock instead.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: FInixNOver on March 30, 2019, 02:47:21 PM
That really is a lot!
It must have been a relief to see it finished. I bet some mixed feelings were involved in the process.
In the end, a fine piece of art!

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Post by: gadgetman7 on March 30, 2019, 03:46:02 PM
That really is a lot!
It must have been a relief to see it finished. I bet some mixed feelings were involved in the process.
In the end, a fine piece of art!

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This actually is industrial design art! If you fan out the tools and take a shot I suspect several gear review sites would post it. I’d send the photo to Popular Mechanics as well.


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 30, 2019, 03:49:54 PM
This actually is industrial design art! If you fan out the tools and take a shot I suspect several gear review sites would post it. I’d send the photo to Popular Mechanics as well.


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Ya I'm going to get a few more pics before I ship it off.  The customer ordered a 2nd sak that I'm almost done with a blue fork.  Just a three layer this time though!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: lister on March 30, 2019, 07:03:02 PM
That's insane.  :rofl:  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 30, 2019, 10:33:28 PM
And here's the 3 layer done.  Timascus paired with polished Ti backscale, polished Ti liners and a blue fork.  :D

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=427845;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on March 30, 2019, 10:49:49 PM
That does not make any sense to me...

But it does look gorgeous!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on March 30, 2019, 11:17:16 PM
That does not make any sense to me...

But it does look gorgeous!
:iagree:
It looks like art!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: FInixNOver on March 30, 2019, 11:58:05 PM
You can cut the cheese and eat it without getting your hand dirty.
The timascus is dope! Again, :drool: :drool:
Works of art, if you ask me!

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Post by: Wspeed on March 31, 2019, 12:21:40 AM
I like it  :like: :tu:
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Post by: Poncho65 on March 31, 2019, 06:01:33 AM
I like it  :like: :tu:

 :iagree: :drool: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gadgetman7 on March 31, 2019, 06:07:59 PM
The customer may not have had this in mind but it does make it even more inoffensive. If you’re in an area where knives are looked at as weapons then the fork can help offset that a little.


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 05, 2019, 12:34:27 AM
So I made a Ti voyageur today from all brand new parts!  3 weeks of R&D to get the scissors cut down reliably, and make the Ti backspring.  But hot damn it all works and I'm so happy... :D

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=428600;image)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: RF52 on April 05, 2019, 12:48:38 AM
That's a good looking SAK :like:

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Post by: pa_strunk on April 05, 2019, 04:41:19 AM
Very cool indeed  :tu:
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Post by: Aloha on April 05, 2019, 03:00:54 PM
Oh boy.  Syph, you've done it now  :D.  I can only imagine the interesting orders for 84mm Ti SAKs you'll be getting.  Flood gates officially opened.   :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on April 05, 2019, 08:52:32 PM
Is it possible to have an awl and a small blade on an 84?

I was thinking awl and big blade on the first layer, and small blade and nail file on another layer. But then would the small blade and file be accessible?

Perhaps if they are on the outside, next to the opener layer? Perhaps seating slightly deeper than originally, and with the alox/ti scales accordingly trimmed to allow access?

Is it possible to have a Phillips next to the two openers, like you do on 93s?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on April 06, 2019, 05:09:11 AM
Sounds like you need a 93mm SAK Sakpan74 !!!!     ;)

This config sounds like a mod too far to me !!

You can't do the Phillips/openers on a 91 - So no way on an 85
Also the awl is a thicker 93mm width tool and the full width of the SAK - whereas the secondary blade / nf is not a full width (spacer) of a thinner SAK - So no way again I'd say!

Anyway Syph can do anything -    :o   -  Let's see what he says.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 06, 2019, 04:53:17 PM
Correct.  It was a herculean effort to get scissors on this frame.  Nothing else that wasnt designed for the 84mm frame is going to fit on there.

I have one customer who has a vision condition that I have made alot of custom saks for with mag glasses on them.  He is searching for a smaller diameter high magnification lens that I will be able to fit since I make the housing for those I can make a shorter one.  The standard Vic one is much do large to fit on an 84.  Other than that I cant think of anything thats realistic to fit on there except backside tools once I make scales that accommodate the 4th pin. 

So lets see that leaves us with the following layers that are possible with no backtools.

1a nail file / main blade
1b small blade / main blade
1c combo tool main blade

2 scissors

3 bottle opener / can opener

I think 84mm wood saws can still be had on the kids models?  Not something I would stock though, so in general I would say the three models Id be doing for now are Cadet X, Cadet II X, Bantam X.

Adding backtools would then give the option of backside phillips / corkscrew / awl.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jaya_man on April 06, 2019, 06:06:07 PM
Wow... just sweet... 84mm saw is available on the Walker/Lumberjack model too apart from the My First Vics... I’m sensing there might be some requests for at least a Micro Farmer X...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Cauldronborn on April 06, 2019, 06:21:12 PM
It sounds like a 4 layer huntsman small and artisan would be possible.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 06, 2019, 06:41:05 PM
Wow... just sweet... 84mm saw is available on the Walker/Lumberjack model too apart from the My First Vics... I’m sensing there might be some requests for at least a Micro Farmer X...

Oh I didn't even realize walkers were still produced. Haven't looked too much yet at what available.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sakpan74Gr on April 06, 2019, 09:38:16 PM
Correct.  It was a herculean effort to get scissors on this frame.  Nothing else that wasnt designed for the 84mm frame is going to fit on there.

I have one customer who has a vision condition that I have made alot of custom saks for with mag glasses on them.  He is searching for a smaller diameter high magnification lens that I will be able to fit since I make the housing for those I can make a shorter one.  The standard Vic one is much do large to fit on an 84.  Other than that I cant think of anything thats realistic to fit on there except backside tools once I make scales that accommodate the 4th pin. 

So lets see that leaves us with the following layers that are possible with no backtools.

1a nail file / main blade
1b small blade / main blade
1c combo tool main blade

2 scissors

3 bottle opener / can opener

I think 84mm wood saws can still be had on the kids models?  Not something I would stock though, so in general I would say the three models Id be doing for now are Cadet X, Cadet II X, Bantam X.

Adding backtools would then give the option of backside phillips / corkscrew / awl.
Considering you can do cadet II X, can we expect an 84 alox/ti deluxe tinker? What price range would that be?

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Post by: Syph007 on April 06, 2019, 09:45:13 PM
Considering you can do cadet II X, can we expect an 84 alox/ti deluxe tinker? What price range would that be?

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If you mean 84mm super tinker yes for sure.  Same for 84mm climber.
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Post by: Sakpan74Gr on April 06, 2019, 10:24:02 PM
I meant a cadet II x with pliers. A cadet eith small blade instead of nail file, scissors, pliers and openers.

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Post by: m47mu74nt on April 07, 2019, 08:57:02 PM
Correct.  It was a herculean effort to get scissors on this frame.  Nothing else that wasnt designed for the 84mm frame is going to fit on there.

I have one customer who has a vision condition that I have made alot of custom saks for with mag glasses on them.  He is searching for a smaller diameter high magnification lens that I will be able to fit since I make the housing for those I can make a shorter one.  The standard Vic one is much do large to fit on an 84.  Other than that I cant think of anything thats realistic to fit on there except backside tools once I make scales that accommodate the 4th pin. 

what about the Wenger magnifying glass that fits on the long tool ?
it is much smaller than the Vic 91mm one, I think I have one or two that I don't no what to do with if you are interested (lens only, or with the original tool -from which it falls pretty easily-)
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Post by: Don Pablo on April 07, 2019, 09:59:51 PM
Scibeer made a 84mm mod with magnifier.  :think:
https://www.swissarmyknights.com/articles/2007/361-scibeers-84mm-madness
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Post by: Saker87 on April 10, 2019, 11:33:49 PM
I like the 84mm size, it took me 3 times to build this one. I wasn't satisfied the first 2 times and tore it down. I still am not good at riveting though. I also didn't have the correct pin size so I had to sand down larger diameter rod.
(http://i.imgur.com/vpgk2LL.jpg)
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Post by: Huntsman on April 10, 2019, 11:40:24 PM
What was the change you made S87?   ???

Backspring CS to Phillips?
Looks like original 84mm scissors.
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Post by: Saker87 on April 10, 2019, 11:53:43 PM
I took a cadet and added back spring tools from a older model salesman (super tinker small) I scored on the bay. The knife blades were pitted but the scissors were still in good shape so it was the perfect donor knife. I also sacrificed a small tinker to get the small blade, I didn't  care for the nail file.
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Post by: Huntsman on April 11, 2019, 01:19:51 PM
Got it - Tnks
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Post by: Syph007 on April 12, 2019, 04:40:18 PM
Cadet plus scissors, with ribbed texture and Timascus front scale.  :D

I forgot about the issue of needing liners.  Since a cadet comes with 1, and I need 2 for since im adding a layer, I had to burn a few days coding up some 84mm liners.  Standard, and thick with and without keyring.
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Post by: Aloha on April 12, 2019, 04:50:26 PM
 :dd:
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Post by: Saker87 on April 12, 2019, 05:16:47 PM
They look amazing.   :drool:
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Post by: Wspeed on April 12, 2019, 05:28:06 PM
Gorgeous  :dd: :like: :like:
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Post by: RF52 on April 12, 2019, 07:55:58 PM
Love the timascus!

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Post by: Max Stone on April 12, 2019, 08:01:23 PM
Cadet plus scissors, with ribbed texture and Timascus front scale.  :D

I forgot about the issue of needing liners.  Since a cadet comes with 1, and I need 2 for since im adding a layer, I had to burn a few days coding up some 84mm liners.  Standard, and thick with and without keyring.

Love to see you figure out how to switch out the nail file for a pioneer awl without adding a fat spacer on the blade pivot...custom liner?  :dunno:

But loving your work Syph007...really beautiful work and functional too.  :like:
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Post by: Poncho65 on April 12, 2019, 08:03:59 PM
Very nice :drool: :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on April 14, 2019, 04:11:12 AM
Two more days until wrist surgery so Im trying to knock out a few more.  Heres a CT 29 with Timascus front.

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Post by: Syph007 on April 14, 2019, 04:15:21 AM
And a tumbled finish ribbed voyageur.  :D
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Post by: pa_strunk on April 14, 2019, 05:23:37 AM
Good luck with the wrist surgery, and tell that guy SAK surgery inc is depending on it.
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Post by: Poncho65 on April 14, 2019, 06:56:39 AM
Best of luck and prayers that the surgery goes as planned :salute: Hope you have a really quick and speedy recovery as well :cheers:
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Post by: Wspeed on April 14, 2019, 12:39:53 PM
Good luck with the surgery and have a speedy recovery  :cheers:
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Post by: Huntsman on April 14, 2019, 01:10:08 PM
A wspeedy recovery ?   ???   :pok:     :tu:
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Post by: Wspeed on April 14, 2019, 01:49:24 PM
 :rofl:
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Post by: Syph007 on April 14, 2019, 02:00:09 PM
Should only be out of commission for a couple weeks.  👍
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Post by: Don Pablo on April 14, 2019, 02:01:05 PM
Good luck!  :cheers:
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Post by: jaya_man on April 14, 2019, 03:59:32 PM
Hope the surgery runs well Syph :cheers:
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Post by: pomsbz on April 14, 2019, 04:49:55 PM
And a tumbled finish ribbed voyageur.  :D

That is a great combo! Hope everything goes well with your surgery and a speedy recovery!
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Post by: RF52 on April 14, 2019, 04:55:26 PM
Good luck on the surgery and speedy recovery!

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Post by: Syph007 on April 14, 2019, 11:10:54 PM
Heres one with the diamond texture I normally do on the 91s.  I have a feeling the ribbed one will be the popular choice however.

The backspring part for the scissors is working out just fine.  The only part of this process I'll need more thought to is machining the scissors down.  Since they are hardened the bits done last long. Im averaging 1 bit for 2 scissors.  There are higher quality ones meant for hardened steels so I will have to try those in the coming weeks.
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Post by: Fortytwo on April 15, 2019, 03:46:26 PM
Heres one with the diamond texture I normally do on the 91s.  I have a feeling the ribbed one will be the popular choice however.

The backspring part for the scissors is working out just fine.  The only part of this process I'll need more thought to is machining the scissors down.  Since they are hardened the bits done last long. Im averaging 1 bit for 2 scissors.  There are higher quality ones meant for hardened steels so I will have to try those in the coming weeks.

Looks great, can we see a picture of the backsprings to compare the titanium one with the steel ones? Agree that the ribbed one looks great but have you done any knives with the diamond pattern aligned the other way? It just feels as if the longer axis should be along the longer side of the knife?
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Post by: Aloha on April 15, 2019, 03:53:00 PM
All the best on your surgery  :salute:
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Post by: Syph007 on April 15, 2019, 04:51:59 PM
Looks great, can we see a picture of the backsprings to compare the titanium one with the steel ones? Agree that the ribbed one looks great but have you done any knives with the diamond pattern aligned the other way? It just feels as if the longer axis should be along the longer side of the knife?

I posted a pic of the back when I did the first one. 

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=428606;image)
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Post by: Fortytwo on April 15, 2019, 05:06:42 PM
I posted a pic of the back when I did the first one. 

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=428606;image)

Sorry, I must have missed that. They seem to blend in really well! (maybe why I missed it before)
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Post by: Syph007 on April 16, 2019, 02:15:45 PM
Couldn't sleep so I built one more.  :D  Heading out to the hospital now.  Wish me luck.  :D

Ribbed Timascus front.  I guess this is a cadet x with marlin spike in place of opener layer.  I scaled down my spike from the 91mm frame and it worked just fine. 

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=430149;image)
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Post by: Mechanickal on April 16, 2019, 02:18:39 PM
Now that has my name written all over it! :sa: :D
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Post by: magentus on April 16, 2019, 02:19:48 PM
Good luck at the hospital Syph  :salute: See you on the other side.
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Post by: Wspeed on April 16, 2019, 02:20:38 PM
Just gorgeous  :dd: :like: :like:
Good luck with your surgery Syph  :tu:
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Post by: Aloha on April 16, 2019, 02:48:26 PM
All the best. 
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Post by: Ron Who on April 16, 2019, 09:05:19 PM
Good luck to you Robert.
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Post by: Syph007 on May 07, 2019, 02:18:02 AM
I do not enjoy sitting doing nothing so I slowly made some 84mm scales with Timascus crosses today.  Very awkward to use a hammer with your off hand.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=432609;image)
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Post by: zoidberg on May 07, 2019, 03:24:37 AM
Heal quick mate.   :tu:   :like:
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Post by: m47mu74nt on May 07, 2019, 10:57:02 AM
I do not enjoy sitting doing nothing so I slowly made some 84mm scales with Timascus crosses today.  Very awkward to use a hammer with your off hand.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=432609;image)

THIS is gorgeous !
(don't do more than your body can handle though!)
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Post by: Wspeed on May 07, 2019, 12:41:18 PM
Gorgeous looking scales  :dd: :like: :like:
I hope you recover quickly Syph  :tu:
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Post by: comis on May 07, 2019, 01:27:43 PM
Robert, those are beautiful scales!

I just been back on forum for a short while, and read on this thread you are undergoing some kind of surgery, hope it is nothing too serious and you have a speedy recovery!
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Post by: Syph007 on May 07, 2019, 01:36:29 PM
Robert, those are beautiful scales!

I just been back on forum for a short while, and read on this thread you are undergoing some kind of surgery, hope it is nothing too serious and you have a speedy recovery!

Just carpal tunnel.  I'm just impatiently healing.  The surgery part wasn't too bad.
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Post by: comis on May 07, 2019, 02:17:23 PM
Just carpal tunnel.  I'm just impatiently healing.  The surgery part wasn't too bad.

Good to hear about the surgery going smooth, good luck with a speedy recovery!  :cheers:
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Post by: Humayd A R Mahomedy on June 02, 2019, 09:09:43 PM
i skimmed this thread from the first post,amazing evolution
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Post by: Fast Bill on June 03, 2019, 10:53:05 PM
Fine workmanship indeed and innovation. And a good read  :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on June 20, 2019, 10:34:05 PM
Finally I'm able to start doing builds again.  Wrist isnt 100% but I'm taking it easy and so far so good.

This is a new skeletonized 84mm scale I wanted to try.  The timascus cross is riveted to the frame in two spots and it is on very solid.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=438315;image)
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Post by: Wspeed on June 20, 2019, 10:55:44 PM
That’s gorgeous  :dd: :like: :like:
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Post by: Huntsman on June 21, 2019, 12:04:43 AM
Finally I'm able to start doing builds again.  Wrist isnt 100% but I'm taking it easy and so far so good.
This is a new skeletonized 84mm scale I wanted to try.  The timascus cross is riveted to the frame in two spots and it is on very solid.

Yay - He's back ...... And with another spectacular creation.

The cross looks fantastic - But it doesn't look solid!!    :o   - Although of course we completely believe and trust you !   :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on June 21, 2019, 12:28:37 AM
Yay - He's back ...... And with another spectacular creation.

The cross looks fantastic - But it doesn't look solid!!    :o   - Although of course we completely believe and trust you !   :tu:

Here's a Pic showing the socket.
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Post by: Wspeed on June 21, 2019, 12:33:42 AM
That looks solid to me  :tu: :like:
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Post by: Huntsman on June 21, 2019, 12:42:24 AM
 :ahhh   Thanks for the extra pics Syph - I get it now   :tu:

Also did not realise that the skeleton struts were less than the full scale thickness - Must make it really light
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Post by: ReamerPunch on June 21, 2019, 07:38:52 AM
Would one of these microSD card usd adapters fit a SAK drawer?

(https://i.imgur.com/Xxkxd6L.jpg)
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Post by: Syph007 on June 21, 2019, 04:02:55 PM
Would one of these microSD card usd adapters fit a SAK drawer?

(https://i.imgur.com/Xxkxd6L.jpg)

Probably if its thin enough.  Drawer is 0.100" deep.
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Post by: Huntsman on June 25, 2019, 02:42:20 AM
I do not enjoy sitting doing nothing so I slowly made some 84mm scales with Timascus crosses today.  Very awkward to use a hammer with your off hand.

Aha - I know where one went ....
https://www.facebook.com/groups/SAKCollectors/permalink/1346502892141175/
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Post by: Syph007 on June 25, 2019, 02:52:32 AM
Aha - I know where one went ....
https://www.facebook.com/groups/SAKCollectors/permalink/1346502892141175/

Ding ding!  :D

Goff has a bunch of my 84s
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Post by: Syph007 on June 26, 2019, 09:17:22 PM
Timascus flavored yeoman with a side of brass.  :D

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=439139;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=439135;image)
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Post by: Wspeed on June 26, 2019, 09:25:14 PM
Very nice  :dd: :like: :like:
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Post by: Cleanser on June 27, 2019, 04:32:32 AM
Any insight into how well the anodized timascus coloring holds up?
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Post by: lowtech on June 27, 2019, 10:54:35 AM
Some really great looking knives,although I don´t like different scales front and back - I´d be going for the same pattern on both sides if I was to order one of your creations.
I only own some of your early works (BO´d Spartan) and must say you´ve come a long way - While fitment and quality of work was really good back then you really evolved from modder to knifemaker.
I hope I`ll be able to order a knife one day. Just need to collect some play money and make up my mind on what I want. I fear it would be very boring, like a Spartan or Tinker (small, maybe?!.
The drawer is something I completely missed in my absence. You did create some really nice variations and extra gadgets!
On the skeletoniszed 84: If it has no name yet, I´d like to suggest "Lint collector" . :D
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Post by: Syph007 on June 27, 2019, 02:23:31 PM
Any insight into how well the anodized timascus coloring holds up?

I have one fellow who bought multiple and he says they still look perfect.  I suspect the finely ribbed one is the way to go since it doesn't show fingerprints and plain smooth surface would wear faster.   I have no experience with long term use but it would be easy to re anodize if it did wear.   Since it's heat anodized though it is more durable than electro.
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Post by: Syph007 on June 27, 2019, 02:27:46 PM
Some really great looking knives,although I don´t like different scales front and back - I´d be going for the same pattern on both sides if I was to order one of your creations.
I only own some of your early works (BO´d Spartan) and must say you´ve come a long way - While fitment and quality of work was really good back then you really evolved from modder to knifemaker.
I hope I`ll be able to order a knife one day. Just need to collect some play money and make up my mind on what I want. I fear it would be very boring, like a Spartan or Tinker (small, maybe?!.
The drawer is something I completely missed in my absence. You did create some really nice variations and extra gadgets!
On the skeletoniszed 84: If it has no name yet, I´d like to suggest "Lint collector" . :D

Its actually opposite.  More like EZ clean.  Easy to get lint out with a vacuum.
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Post by: Don Pablo on June 27, 2019, 02:38:36 PM
Its actually opposite.  More like EZ clean.  Easy to get lint out with a vacuum.
Definitely seems like an "easy come, easy go" deal, lint-wise.
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Post by: Syph007 on June 27, 2019, 04:09:13 PM
Definitely seems like an "easy come, easy go" deal, lint-wise.

Ya that's about right.  It's not a big issue though like I thought it might me.  The edges of every cutout are chamfered so no sharp parts to snag on anything.
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Post by: lowtech on June 28, 2019, 09:06:43 AM
Oh, don´t worry, I was just  :pok:you. I really like the looks of the skeletonized scales.
And I guess you are right - the 2 layer 84 or 91 that usually rides in my pocket does collect lint and will only give it up when forced to with a toothpick or old toothbrush.
That should be easier with skeletonized scales.
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Post by: jph_777 on June 28, 2019, 08:27:48 PM
Hey Syph007, I'm a recent member and just recently read through almost all of the pages of this topic (over several days!).  I just had to mention how awesome your work is, and it's great to see how you have evolved over the years.  Best of luck, and keep up the good work.  It's good to see you've healed well enough to begin work again. :cheers: :salute:
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Post by: Syph007 on July 03, 2019, 04:50:40 AM
Hey Syph007, I'm a recent member and just recently read through almost all of the pages of this topic (over several days!).  I just had to mention how awesome your work is, and it's great to see how you have evolved over the years.  Best of luck, and keep up the good work.  It's good to see you've healed well enough to begin work again. :cheers: :salute:

Hey thanks and yes it's been quite a journey since I first heard about modding saks.

Today's prototype was and 84mm drawer scale.

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Post by: Max Stone on July 03, 2019, 01:39:04 PM
So original and beautifully machined Syph007.  :like:
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Post by: Wspeed on July 03, 2019, 01:43:51 PM
Those drawers are very handy  :like: :like:
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Post by: Sakpan74Gr on July 03, 2019, 09:42:09 PM
It may be a Frankestein SAK, but would a SAK with the Leatherman bit adapter and your drawer to store bits be possible?

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Post by: Mechanickal on July 03, 2019, 09:48:28 PM
That would be one deep drawer :think:
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Post by: Ron Who on July 07, 2019, 01:33:29 PM
Can Timascus be done in other colors than blue? I think green would look very nice.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 07, 2019, 02:33:31 PM
Can Timascus be done in other colors than blue? I think green would look very nice.

Heat anodizing is more art then electro anodize.  I go for purple/gold or blue shades.  If you go too long it goes unicorn.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 09, 2019, 12:18:32 AM
Working on a Ti bail option I can use with pivot.  Question for bail lovers... Does it have to swing loose (floppy bail) or would it be fine if you had to move it with some resistance.
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Post by: RF52 on July 09, 2019, 06:37:24 AM
I think some resistance would be good so you can keep it out of the way when closing the blade

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Post by: jaya_man on July 09, 2019, 01:16:16 PM
Ooooooohhh.... nice idea... some swing resistance would be nice for sure...
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Post by: kottskrapa on July 09, 2019, 05:28:14 PM
Can't wait to see the result!

[It's not failure if you learn something from it]

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Post by: magentus on July 09, 2019, 10:17:10 PM
Thanks Syph, I just had to change my pants.  :ahhh

Great idea and execution! I think a little resistance is good so you can avoid the dreaded blade ding.
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Post by: Mechanickal on July 09, 2019, 10:30:46 PM
Resistance for sure

:assimilate:
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Post by: Syph007 on July 09, 2019, 10:57:38 PM
😁

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=441146;image)
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on July 09, 2019, 11:03:49 PM
Very nice job!
JR
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Post by: Wspeed on July 09, 2019, 11:22:18 PM
Excellent work  :dd: :like: :like:
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Post by: kottskrapa on July 10, 2019, 12:37:18 AM
Nice work!

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Post by: jaya_man on July 10, 2019, 05:29:26 AM
Just curious, the bail doesn’t seem to be touching the scales... used some washers?
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Post by: Syph007 on July 10, 2019, 05:40:05 AM
Just curious, the bail doesn’t seem to be touching the scales... used some washers?
Yup I made very tiny ones
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Post by: Mechanickal on July 10, 2019, 06:52:26 AM
Daaaaaaaaaamn...
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Post by: Syph007 on July 11, 2019, 02:52:34 PM
Made some skeletonized 93mm scales.  This one is a rancher x.
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Post by: Wspeed on July 11, 2019, 02:54:24 PM
Excellent work as always  :dd: :like: :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on July 21, 2019, 08:59:20 PM
My first prototype of a scale drawer 84mm voyageur.  The drawer isnt long enough to fit the pen, but there is room for more than just T&T I think.  If it was my sak Id put needle and thread, safety pin, tweezer and fero rod.  :D

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Post by: Mechanickal on July 21, 2019, 09:07:27 PM
Omfg!! :ahhh
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Post by: Max Stone on July 21, 2019, 10:18:00 PM
+1  :like: that's a winner  :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on July 21, 2019, 10:23:58 PM
I'm happy with how it turned out but the shorter 84 makes anything past 2 layers look fat to me.  A cadet x with drawer I think woudk look too thick.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Max Stone on July 21, 2019, 10:34:57 PM
Bantam + draw  :tu:
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Post by: pa_strunk on July 22, 2019, 02:32:42 PM
 :tu: :tu: :tu: So glad your back in action after surgery
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Post by: Sheradin on July 24, 2019, 03:48:36 PM
 :like:  Sold, sold, 100 times sold... following to see when this is a regular offering. An 84mm "Compact" with room for a few extras and a pocketclip?   :drink:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 24, 2019, 04:22:26 PM
:like:  Sold, sold, 100 times sold... following to see when this is a regular offering. An 84mm "Compact" with room for a few extras and a pocketclip?   :drink:

Yes I'm making more.  The drawer works just fine.  Even with the added thickness of the drawer scale this is still thinner than a standard 91mm compact by a few mm.
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Post by: Sos24 on July 24, 2019, 07:22:30 PM
Timascus flavored yeoman with a side of brass.  :D

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=439139;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=439135;image)

This Yeoman is even nicer in person.  You do awesome work.

It is going to be a loved pocket companion for many years to come.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190724/9571a324409e85d797c7077c23ab842e.jpg)
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Post by: Mechanickal on July 24, 2019, 07:26:54 PM
I'm not jealous at all...

(https://www.newbedfordguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Middleborough-Police-determine-womans-attempted-van-abduction-story-to-be-a-hoax.jpg)
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Post by: Wspeed on July 24, 2019, 08:23:42 PM
Very nice Sos  :like: :tu:
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Post by: Sos24 on July 24, 2019, 08:42:38 PM
Thanks.  I just get the pleasure of being the owner.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 26, 2019, 04:10:32 PM
I had an order from someone who was willing to pay extra for me to make a custom spring for the blade layer of a 91 to elimiate backtools. So I did.  :D  Took one day and about 7 tries.  When I had the style complete I did the same bronze insert trick for the pivot ends as I did on the 84mm spring.

This is the first dual scale timascus Ive done as well.  The tool config is close to what Vic called a Special Mechanic.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=444047;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=444049;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=444051;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=444053;image)

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Max Stone on July 26, 2019, 05:58:22 PM
Love the clean back springs, great work  :like:
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Post by: Sos24 on July 26, 2019, 06:35:53 PM
Beautiful and nicely done.  There is. Something to be said for the clean look of no back tools.
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Post by: Barry Rowland on August 02, 2019, 09:57:11 PM
I agree.  That's one of the reasons I love the Soldiers.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 04, 2019, 09:59:30 PM
Mega 84mm drawer scale.  I burned a solid day to Machine this and it took two custom fixtures.
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Post by: Mechanickal on August 04, 2019, 10:11:55 PM
My goodness what a hefty scale...
Are you going to try and put a lighter in it? :D
:pok:
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Post by: Wspeed on August 04, 2019, 10:15:59 PM
That is cool  8) :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on August 04, 2019, 10:21:09 PM
My goodness what a hefty scale...
Are you going to try and put a lighter in it? :D
:pok:

No I think its been ordered to keep emergency medications in.   I did buy a mini bic but even that was too large to fit in a 91mm sak, it could however fit a 111mm.
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Post by: Barry Rowland on August 04, 2019, 10:56:44 PM
Outstanding machining sir!
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Post by: kottskrapa on August 05, 2019, 07:25:38 AM
Nice work as always!

[It's not failure if you learn something from it]

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Post by: Huntsman on August 05, 2019, 07:40:37 AM
Mega 84mm drawer scale.  I burned a solid day to Machine this and it took two custom fixtures.

If you were going that deep - You would think they would have asked for it on a 91mm - To also get the extra length !
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Barry Rowland on August 05, 2019, 11:43:17 AM
Exactly.  I was thinking that too :dunno:
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Post by: AlephZero on August 05, 2019, 09:18:08 PM
Emergency medication... I think maybe Insulin vial?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 09, 2019, 03:34:47 AM
Here's the final build for the fat drawer SAK.  It's a purpose built medical aid type of thing.  I scaled down a 91mm spatula to fit the 84 and it's made from Ti.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on August 09, 2019, 06:58:26 AM
One of the most unique builds yet I think  :think:.  Pretty awesome for the new owner.   
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Post by: Huntsman on August 09, 2019, 12:28:25 PM
Send the spec to Vic - I can see this one going into production!!   :pok: ....... NOT!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on August 09, 2019, 01:58:57 PM
That looks really good with the large drawer :like: :like: :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on August 09, 2019, 08:00:57 PM
And more 84....
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on August 09, 2019, 08:04:33 PM
That’s cool  8) :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kottskrapa on August 09, 2019, 08:35:56 PM
Nice for fixing up the mustaches and beard

[It's not failure if you learn something from it]

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Willem85 on August 14, 2019, 10:24:39 PM
Do you work with the 111 mm models? I would like the big blade and linerlock, but in a more traditional looking package. I mean more oval shaped scales.
A single layer knive. Maybe with tweezers and a thumbstud.
I have a Sentinel, but it should look more like a pioneer solo.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 14, 2019, 10:50:56 PM
Do you work with the 111 mm models? I would like the big blade and linerlock, but in a more traditional looking package. I mean more oval shaped scales.
A single layer knive. Maybe with tweezers and a thumbstud.
I have a Sentinel, but it should look more like a pioneer solo.

Interesting idea I was never super fond of the 111mm shade and a more traditional shape I would like better.  When I get some more free R&D time I can give that a try
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Post by: Willem85 on August 14, 2019, 11:38:50 PM
Interesting idea I was never super fond of the 111mm shade and a more traditional shape I would like better.  When I get some more free R&D time I can give that a try

Cool, the 111 mm sits better in the hand due to its size. But that pioneer solo looks so great IMO.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Fortytwo on August 17, 2019, 05:25:41 PM
Do you work with the 111 mm models? I would like the big blade and linerlock, but in a more traditional looking package. I mean more oval shaped scales.
A single layer knive. Maybe with tweezers and a thumbstud.
I have a Sentinel, but it should look more like a pioneer solo.

One problem with the 111 mm fram (not necessarily for Syph with all his tools and ingenuity) is that the shape of the back springs follow the shape of the knife. There would have to be a lot of material taken off if you wanted to change the shape where the key ring sits. I have been considering doing a more traditional Hunter myself and realised that I will have to work around these points.

My idea was to hide the modern style by giving the knife a brass bolster with guard while simultaneously squaring it up a bit a slight bit at the top (where they have a tendency to bend if dropped) and removing the wave in the handle for a more traditional look.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on August 21, 2019, 12:22:03 PM
And more 84....

Nice comb-o...

 :whistle:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 17, 2019, 04:36:32 PM
I accepted a SAK mod job from an architect firm to do a bulk job SAK mod to Include their logo on the front.  40 saks, 30 will be brass and 10 Ti.  I was assuming I could do the job in 2 weeks or less so we will se how that goes.   

:whistle:


(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=451329;image)

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Post by: derekmac on September 17, 2019, 05:01:10 PM
Wow, I had so much catching up to do here.  Some really great looking builds!!  :dd:
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Post by: Don Pablo on September 17, 2019, 05:25:19 PM
That firm has good tastes in promo SAKs! :2tu:
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Post by: Wspeed on September 17, 2019, 06:58:46 PM
Nice large job  :like: :tu:
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Post by: Barry Rowland on September 17, 2019, 09:07:36 PM
 :iagree:
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Post by: Rapidray on September 18, 2019, 02:41:57 AM
 :iagree:
Looking forward to seeing the photo of the end result!  :popcorn:
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Post by: Reinier on September 18, 2019, 03:47:50 PM
Wow that's a big job! Very cool. Looking forward to seeing some pics of the end result but also the work in progress :)
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Post by: Aloha on September 18, 2019, 07:01:06 PM
Congrats on the job.   :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on September 18, 2019, 07:04:06 PM
Wow that's a big job! Very cool. Looking forward to seeing some pics of the end result but also the work in progress :)

My wife asked if she could help as my wrist is still not 100% but usable.  She took all the Saks apart at the kitchen table and separated all parts in bins for me.  👍 I think it took her 2 or 3 hours which isn't bad at all!  I'm making sample scales in both materials next to be approved then I'll be doing bulk assembly.

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Post by: Wspeed on September 18, 2019, 07:09:50 PM
Will look good when you have finished all of them  :like:
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Post by: Barry Rowland on September 18, 2019, 09:41:40 PM
You can't top a wife like that!
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Post by: Rapidray on September 19, 2019, 04:31:41 AM
 :iagree: 110%
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Post by: Reinier on September 19, 2019, 06:59:20 AM
I don't see my wife take apart a SAK!
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Post by: Mechanickal on September 19, 2019, 07:43:41 AM
Tell them I'm interested to have a knife with their logo on it :pok:
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Post by: Huntsman on September 19, 2019, 01:21:15 PM
^^^^^ Send Syph a Compact and you've got it !!!

This is a great idea from that firm - Are the SAKs destined for their company employees are as a promotional item?   ???

Either way it will be one of the coolest promotional or employee gifts ever 

PS. That is so nice of the Mrs. ......... Well done Mrs. Syph
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 19, 2019, 08:25:16 PM
I've been processing each part type in groups.  So far it takes about 1 hour per 30 parts to drill them out and polish the inner part of hole.

I'm tackling the 30 compacts first then the 10 climbers.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on September 19, 2019, 08:52:36 PM
Looking good  :like: :tu:
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Post by: Syph007 on September 25, 2019, 05:16:17 PM
 :whistle:

Getting there.  Gets really repetative doing the same task over and over.
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Post by: Mechanickal on September 25, 2019, 05:23:01 PM
Hang in there!

I do wonder what one can build from a Climber and Compact though...
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Post by: Syph007 on September 25, 2019, 05:34:40 PM
Hang in there!

I do wonder what one can build from a Climber and Compact though...

OH they're staying climbers and compacts.  Just a straight up conversion.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on September 25, 2019, 05:37:08 PM
Aha!

I started thinking it would be something along that way :D
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Post by: zrxoa1 on September 25, 2019, 05:50:16 PM
Aha!

I started thinking it would be something along that way :D

Maybe you missed this post above

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190925/ea6ba5f5d39978531594db1a812e9872.jpg)


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Post by: Mechanickal on September 25, 2019, 05:55:17 PM
Doesn't say what was being build :pok:
:D
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Post by: Wspeed on September 25, 2019, 06:10:17 PM
Great job Syph  :like: :tu:
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Post by: Sos24 on September 25, 2019, 06:50:04 PM
It is interesting seeing the in progress pics of your process, Syph.
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Post by: Poncho65 on September 26, 2019, 12:09:27 PM
Great to see you have a job of that magnitude :o I am sure anyone who receives one of these will love it :dd: I also love seeing the process :like:
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Post by: Syph007 on September 26, 2019, 04:20:30 PM
I keep finished brass parts in mineral oil.  Then when I build with them I buff well with a soft cloth and it gives them a nice shine.
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Post by: Wspeed on September 26, 2019, 04:33:49 PM
Gorgeous  :dd: :like: :like:
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Post by: Poncho65 on September 26, 2019, 05:48:50 PM
 :iagree: :drool: :like:
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Post by: Sos24 on September 26, 2019, 07:48:10 PM
Those look really nice.
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Post by: Reinier on September 27, 2019, 01:05:02 AM
:drool:
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Post by: Aloha on September 27, 2019, 06:24:42 AM
Coming along nicely.  Brass is such a lustrous material.  I just don't love the smell. 
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Post by: Rapidray on September 27, 2019, 03:15:10 PM
Very nice!  :popcorn:
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Post by: Syph007 on October 09, 2019, 01:00:43 AM
Finally done!  This job almost killed me... but its good to be finished.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=454370;image)
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Post by: Sos24 on October 09, 2019, 04:04:12 AM
Congrats on finishing.  They look awesome.
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Post by: Huntsman on October 09, 2019, 04:48:56 AM
I accepted a SAK mod job from an architect firm to do a bulk job SAK mod to Include their logo on the front.  40 saks, 30 will be brass and 10 Ti. 
I was assuming I could do the job in 2 weeks or less so we will se how that goes.   :whistle:

Looks like you did not quite make the two weeks :whistle:    :D

Gotta say I don't think much of their logo - Especially for an architects' firm - Would have expected something much more creative 

Finally done!  This job almost killed me... but its good to be finished.
Anyway well done - Into the recovery period now   ;)   .... And no doubt catching up on all the other jobs!!    :tu:
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Post by: Wspeed on October 09, 2019, 01:21:31 PM
They look really good all in a row  :like: :tu:
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Post by: Aloha on October 09, 2019, 02:36:35 PM
 :woohoo: They turned out great. 
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Post by: Don Pablo on October 10, 2019, 08:41:45 PM
There's so many... :drool:
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Post by: Syph007 on October 13, 2019, 04:47:34 PM
I need to cleanse my palette.  Meet a new texture... multi cross multi color.   :tu:

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=454943;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=454941;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=454945;image)
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Post by: Wspeed on October 13, 2019, 05:01:46 PM
That looks excellent with the different colours  :dd: :like:
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Post by: Reinier on October 13, 2019, 05:09:39 PM
That looks neat! How did you do that :think:
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Post by: Syph007 on October 13, 2019, 05:12:15 PM
That looks neat! How did you do that :think:

Machine then anodize for each color in descending order of voltages.   Anodizing a lower voltage won't effect color from a higher voltage.
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Post by: comis on October 13, 2019, 05:30:34 PM
Excellent job as usual!  Awesome scales! :dd:
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Post by: kottskrapa on October 13, 2019, 05:36:39 PM
Turned out amazing!

[It's not failure if you learn something from it]

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Post by: Wspeed on October 13, 2019, 06:11:55 PM
That is a cool way of getting the different colours  :like:
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Post by: SirVicaLot on October 13, 2019, 08:58:21 PM
Very cool  :like:
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Post by: Sos24 on October 13, 2019, 10:46:40 PM
That is amazing looking.
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Post by: Huntsman on October 14, 2019, 12:57:38 AM
Machine then anodize for each color in descending order of voltages.   Anodizing a lower voltage won't effect color from a higher voltage.

Had to think about that one for a bit.....  :think:

So it's machined inbetween each colour - So the annodisation layer is effectively removed for the 'to-be' colours - and the earlier higher voltage colour is not affected by the lower voltage (colour) 
Does that mean that the thickness of the scale for the crosses with the  lower voltage colours are actually thinner ?
I guess it's all microscopic
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Post by: Syph007 on October 14, 2019, 01:26:56 AM
Had to think about that one for a bit.....  :think:

But it's machined inbetween each colour - So the annodisation layer is effectively removed for the 'to-be' colours - and the earlier higher voltage colour is not affected by the lower voltage (colour) 
Does that mean that the thickness of the scale for the crosses with the  lower voltage colours are actually thinner ?
I guess it's all microscopic

Yes the max thickness for tiox is about 200 nm so very very thin. 
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Post by: Reinier on October 14, 2019, 08:47:30 AM
Machine then anodize for each color in descending order of voltages.   Anodizing a lower voltage won't effect color from a higher voltage.

That makes sense. Sounds like a lot of work. But the result is great!
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Post by: Syph007 on October 14, 2019, 03:58:05 PM
That makes sense. Sounds like a lot of work. But the result is great!

Ya Ive avoided doing very many colors in the past since well there arent many that look good.  No pink or pastel shades for me.  Basically there is a bronze, purple, blue, yellow then green.  No red or black which people keep asking for.
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 25, 2019, 04:36:18 PM
😁

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=441146;image)

While I still have both of the SAKs you made for me with pocket clips and they still work perfectly. I really love this idea.

Would be better for my OCD then having a clip just on one side plus not covering up whatever beautiful scales are attached.
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 25, 2019, 04:39:04 PM
Pictures for reasons.

(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Knives/Knives%202/1DE75645-4019-4314-93BB-555ACEF5AE5B.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Knives/Knives%202/1DE75645-4019-4314-93BB-555ACEF5AE5B.jpg.html)

(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160913_124216_966.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160913_124216_966.jpg.html)

What’s the current lead time? Feel like I need more Syph creations in my life.
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Post by: Syph007 on November 08, 2019, 04:47:08 PM
Here's something a bid different.  Cadet minus opener layer plus scissors and fork.  Ruler on back scale and Timascus cross :D

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Post by: Wspeed on November 08, 2019, 05:58:53 PM
Very neat I like the idea of the fork :like: :tu:
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Post by: chewbacca on November 08, 2019, 07:16:01 PM
That is awesome!  :like:

The fork and the ruler are so cool.
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Post by: Sos24 on November 08, 2019, 07:37:47 PM
Gorgeous knife with a cool toolset.
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Post by: Syph007 on November 08, 2019, 11:39:03 PM
Very neat I like the idea of the fork :like: :tu:

I wanted to make a hobo SAK but making a spoon would be tricky.
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Post by: Wspeed on November 08, 2019, 11:41:37 PM
That would be cool to have a spoon
but I bet it takes up a lot of space  :tu:
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Post by: Sos24 on November 08, 2019, 11:58:23 PM
A spoon would probably need to be real shallow like the FRED (Field Ration Eating Device)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191108/e7aca164563560fd1fb90a404bea69a1.jpg)
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Post by: Syph007 on November 20, 2019, 12:49:22 AM
Not too much new lately, I mostly build alot of the same.  This one is a farmer but with small blade for can opener and I nipped the tip off a bit to make it fit a bit better and reshaped.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=459196;image)
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Post by: Wspeed on November 20, 2019, 02:06:48 PM
Nice and cool design  :like:  8)
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Post by: Syph007 on January 09, 2020, 07:06:40 PM
Ugh... family infected me good over the holidays and just finally back into the swing of things.  Nothing much new except I finally thought of an easy way to include the corkscrew mini driver in the drawer I do.  Just turned down the handle to 0.100" and it fits in the drawer with all the other accessories just fine.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=464260;image)

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Post by: Wspeed on January 09, 2020, 07:54:38 PM
Nice job on the mini driver :like: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on January 09, 2020, 08:02:34 PM
That's a right proper stocked tool drawer now! :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on January 10, 2020, 12:01:40 AM
Another stroke of genius mate - Great stuff

Is the handle still round? - Might be better to make it flat so it's easier to turn a screw when you grip it.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on January 10, 2020, 01:19:25 AM
How about putting the Leatherman eyeglass bit in there?
Maybe make a tiny hole in a scale for a driver? :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 10, 2020, 01:30:47 AM
How about putting the Leatherman eyeglass bit in there?
Maybe make a tiny hole in a scale for a driver? :think:

Yup that could totally work.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gobsheen on January 11, 2020, 10:32:11 AM
Noob....head wrecked!
I've been searching and reading threads for ages but this is my first post on here. Haven't modded an SAK before. First mission is to create an Alox Rambler, taking the scales from a donor Classic.

I was expecting to peen 1.5mm brass rod but read about pivot pins in this thread and they might be a great way to go. Assume I basically have to drill everything, get the pin length right and screw together?!

If I stick with peening, is there a good guide that's specific to Alox? I found guides for standard SAKs but want to know how to not damage the Alox scales.

Thanks!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Max Stone on January 14, 2020, 02:43:39 PM
Noob....head wrecked!
I've been searching and reading threads for ages but this is my first post on here. Haven't modded an SAK before. First mission is to create an Alox Rambler, taking the scales from a donor Classic.

I was expecting to peen 1.5mm brass rod but read about pivot pins in this thread and they might be a great way to go. Assume I basically have to drill everything, get the pin length right and screw together?!

If I stick with peening, is there a good guide that's specific to Alox? I found guides for standard SAKs but want to know how to not damage the Alox scales.

Thanks!

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Welcome Gobsheen to  :MTO:

I’ve no experience with screwed option as getting the correct parts is difficult where I live. My opinion is that this is a better option for small production runs where you can invest in setting up with the right tools and parts.

But I can comment on peening, as I’ve done about a dozen standard 93mm SAKs, mainly Cellidor, but some aluminum and brass scales like the pic below.

All I can say is practice, practice. I would not have been comfortable peening Alox in my first few builds, and even now, I know there’s a good chance I could damage some of the surrounding area of the pin as it takes many gentle hits to get the right shape of the head.

If it’s for your own pleasure, this may not be too much of an issue. But I’d suggest starting with a Cellidor SAK to get some practice.

Most of all, enjoy it. The peening process takes time but is very rewarding once done.  :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on January 14, 2020, 06:01:25 PM
You can cover the alox scale with a bit of old inner tube from a bicycle or something, that has holes cut out where the pins are, so that if you miss the pin, you hit the rubber and not the alox. :dwts:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on January 14, 2020, 07:31:26 PM
You can cover the alox scale with a bit of old inner tube from a bicycle or something, that has holes cut out where the pins are, so that if you miss the pin, you hit the rubber and not the alox. :dwts:
What he said
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on January 14, 2020, 07:46:46 PM
What he said

Magentus was the one who passed the wisdom on to me. :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on January 14, 2020, 08:30:13 PM
Or use some electrical tape and some guts ...

Worked for me :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gobsheen on January 14, 2020, 10:51:09 PM
Thanks all!

I might change my sequence a bit. I have an Alox classic and standard rambler to start on. A bit of dismantling of both first, then try putting the cellidor scales etc onto the classic to try some safer peening. Then move onto the Alox when I've had some practice.

Another question.......when you guys are peening, do you use a small peening hammer directly onto the rivet/rod, or do you use some sort of punch for better control?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Max Stone on January 14, 2020, 11:03:27 PM
Small peening hammer directly...I’ve tried other methods. They don’t work.

Make sure the hammer is mirror smooth to get clean hits. And the rod has a perfect cut, otherwise it distorts as you work it.  I work some fairly hard hits for a while direct head-on until I get a swelling, and then begin working the edge more gently, but keeping the hammer head vertical. You have to find the maximum distance you can work from central without hitting the scale to get a good shaped peen.

Difficult to explain and probably a million ways to do it. But with a few tries you’ll find a way that works.

Good luck and show us pics!  :tu:

(Pic added)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gobsheen on January 14, 2020, 11:07:06 PM
Brilliant.....thanks again!

I'll have to go on the search for a good hammer!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Max Stone on January 14, 2020, 11:11:51 PM
 :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on January 14, 2020, 11:22:00 PM
That's a great pic Max - Thanks

Brilliant idea to start off with the flat end - I always started with the ball - But that is a much better technique
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on January 14, 2020, 11:34:04 PM
That's a great pic Max - Thanks

Brilliant idea to start off with the flat end - I always started with the ball - But that is a much better technique
And it underlines the importance of an immovable anvil surface! Too long I wondered my my technique took so much effort, and the reason was my immovable surface wasn't so... immovable. :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 26, 2020, 08:20:29 PM
I've been doing some batch work lately, a few wedding party orders for groomsmen and that sort of thing.  I just finished a batch for another company order.  The slanted icon on front is their logo.  Its nice to have the orders but it definitely gets tedious doing the same thing over and over so I think I still prefer one at a time for variety.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on January 26, 2020, 08:56:20 PM
Nice company. They have great taste. :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on January 26, 2020, 09:48:58 PM
They do look good when
you see them all together  :dd: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on January 27, 2020, 08:07:07 AM
I've been doing some batch work lately, a few wedding party orders for groomsmen and that sort of thing.  I just finished a batch for another company order.  The slanted icon on front is their logo.  Its nice to have the orders but it definitely gets tedious doing the same thing over and over so I think I still prefer one at a time for variety.

You've got the Tormach
Maybe now is the time to build the automated production line in the garage   :pok:   :D   :o
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on January 27, 2020, 03:53:14 PM
You've got the Tormach
Maybe now is the time to build the automated production line in the garage   :pok:   :D   :o

I need more space.  I'm actually thinking about leasing a small workspace to have a better work setup.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on January 28, 2020, 12:16:34 PM
If you move spaces, make sure to take pics and video of your new set up :ahhh Love the pics of all of those SAKs together that you made :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jph_777 on January 29, 2020, 08:40:11 PM
Hey Max,
Thanks for the tips on peening.  The illustration you did was great in clarifying the process.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: jph_777 on January 29, 2020, 08:41:54 PM
More good looking mods, Syph007 !  I always look forward to seeing your mods.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 01, 2020, 03:16:19 PM
And back to single builds finally.  :D

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kottskrapa on February 01, 2020, 03:19:10 PM
Fantastic work and tool loadout

[It's not failure if you learn something from it]

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: RF52 on February 01, 2020, 04:02:48 PM
Good looking SAK :hatsoff:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on February 01, 2020, 04:41:58 PM
And Happy Birthday :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on February 01, 2020, 04:43:33 PM
Happy birthday Syph007  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: RF52 on February 01, 2020, 04:51:13 PM
Happy birthday :cheers:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on February 01, 2020, 05:04:53 PM
Have a great time. :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on February 01, 2020, 09:56:43 PM
And back to single builds finally.  :D

Did not notice the 93mm awl initially - What a great MODel

No back tools?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 01, 2020, 10:06:25 PM
Did not notice the 93mm awl initially - What a great MODel

No back tools?

Nope it's a pioneer x frame.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on February 01, 2020, 11:59:21 PM
Of course !!  :pok:  Thanks -  I was thinking it was a 91mm frame   :twak:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on February 06, 2020, 02:00:31 AM
I had a local customer swing by last week and drop off a firesteel sak to mod into a farmer x.  Just finished that one up today.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sos24 on February 06, 2020, 03:58:09 AM
I had a local customer swing by last week and drop off a firesteel sak to mod into a farmer x.  Just finished that one up today.

That is a very cool mod.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Rapidray on February 06, 2020, 04:38:44 PM
 :iagree:
That is a great mod with the firesteel  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on February 07, 2020, 06:05:45 PM
That's a great pic Max - Thanks

Brilliant idea to start off with the flat end - I always started with the ball - But that is a much better technique

+1

Great tutorial on peening!

 :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ElevenBlade on March 08, 2020, 03:21:17 PM
Is it theoretically possible to put the Swisstool crate opener on a 93mm alox?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on March 08, 2020, 06:31:08 PM
Is it theoretically possible to put the Swisstool crate opener on a 93mm alox?

What is a crate opener?



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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on March 08, 2020, 07:12:51 PM
Is it theoretically possible to put the Swisstool crate opener on a 93mm alox?
I doubt it.
Larger pin diameter and way too wide for the 93mm frame.
You'd better ask Robert to craft you a similar tool.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Max Stone on March 08, 2020, 09:34:12 PM
What is a crate opener?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ElevenBlade on March 08, 2020, 09:52:34 PM
What is a crate opener?



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This?  Maybe I'm wrong...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Max Stone on March 08, 2020, 09:56:37 PM
No, I’m stumped.  ???
Isn’t that just an awl?
Or chisel (on left).
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ElevenBlade on March 08, 2020, 10:04:36 PM
No, I’m stumped.  ???
Isn’t that just an awl?
Or chisel (on left).

Chisel! 

 :dwts:

The large screwdriver is also listed as a crate opener.

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ElevenBlade on March 08, 2020, 10:06:25 PM
I doubt it.
Larger pin diameter and way too wide for the 93mm frame.
You'd better ask Robert to craft you a similar tool.

Who is this "Robert" you speak of?  Take me to this Wizard at once!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on March 08, 2020, 10:43:23 PM
Who is this "Robert" you speak of?  Take me to this Wizard at once!
Syph007. ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on March 08, 2020, 11:13:28 PM
Who is this "Robert" you speak of?  Take me to this Wizard at once!

Also known as Bob Lessard - He is indeed a wizard

Why not try and make one yourself from the screwdriver  :pok:
- All you need is a grinding stone and maybe some files if you want to make the stripper too - The notch is already there to be sharpened

Someone did that here - Where pretty much every tool on the SAK was either a blade or chisel of some sort
You might find it if you search for whittling - As it was in a thread about whittling

 :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on March 09, 2020, 12:28:01 PM
Someone did that here - Where pretty much every tool on the SAK was either a blade or chisel of some sort
You might find it if you search for whittling - As it was in a thread about whittling
 :tu:
I sharpened everything on an 84mm Tourist - no back tools make it very comfortable in the hand for whittling - I think I passed it on to caninesapian a couple of years back. Others have done similar and more thorough mods
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on March 09, 2020, 01:29:28 PM
Tourist  Recruit   ???   FTFY Gavin   :tu:   - No back tools!   ;)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on March 09, 2020, 01:36:05 PM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on March 09, 2020, 01:38:16 PM
Yo Gavin, what's hanging?  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: magentus on March 09, 2020, 01:42:12 PM
Yo Gavin, what's hanging?  :cheers:
Yo Pabs - Gavin doesn't know as much about SAKs as he thought he did  :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on April 06, 2020, 07:51:48 PM
There was a wee 'Show your Pairs' competition over on SAKs Exclusively on Facebook over the last few days

Guess who won the competition ? !!! ??? :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 06, 2020, 09:11:38 PM
There was a wee 'Show your Pairs' competition over on SAKs Exclusively on Facebook over the last few days

Guess who won the competition ? !!! ??? :D

hehe thats very cool!

Really hard to get much done lately with the little guy home from school.  Also since I normally use alot of disposable gloves and respirator filters (which are impossible to buy now) I cant do much grinding or polishing work.  Trying to focus on a few new designs in the mean time.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on April 06, 2020, 09:13:33 PM
that is cool :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pfrsantos on April 07, 2020, 01:28:25 PM
What is a crate opener?


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Pry bar?

 :think: :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on April 07, 2020, 02:02:42 PM
I always misread that as crater opener. You know, the tool aliens use to open up freshly made moon craters :facepalm:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on April 07, 2020, 02:54:07 PM
hehe thats very cool!

Really hard to get much done lately with the little guy home from school.  Also since I normally use alot of disposable gloves and respirator filters (which are impossible to buy now) I cant do much grinding or polishing work.  Trying to focus on a few new designs in the mean time.

 :popcorn: This ought to be amazing. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 07, 2020, 06:52:25 PM
:popcorn: This ought to be amazing.

I started a few ideas and never had time to develop.  One was a removable wrench that locks into a scale but doesn't increase its thickness at all.   Then there is also the fold out bit holder screwdriver idea for 1/4 inch hits.

Also, the local food banks where I live are hurting pretty bad so I'm probably going to build something fancy and unique and auction it off on IG and donate the proceeds. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on April 08, 2020, 03:14:27 PM
 :hatsoff:.  Nice way to raise some funds and someone get a sweet knife in the process.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 16, 2020, 05:27:59 PM
I did start on the design of a removable scale wrench for the front scale of 91s.  I think the retension mechanism I use for the scale drawer will work.  I'll post some pics when I start cutting the prototypes.

Today I started on a Canada theme sak.  I forgot I used to heat the copper with a heat gun before peening and it really does give a crisper edge.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 17, 2020, 02:46:34 PM
Here is what the wrench looks like so far.  This is for a 91mm front scale.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=474958;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on April 17, 2020, 02:55:38 PM
Oh boy...
This is going to be good!
:popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 17, 2020, 03:01:48 PM
Oh boy...
This is going to be good!
:popcorn:

I just posted the G code for the wrench and for the scale for it to fit.  I'll cut it now then show some pics.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on April 17, 2020, 03:05:14 PM
:ahhh
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on April 17, 2020, 03:06:47 PM
Oh boy...
This is going to be good!

pfrsantos coming in in 3... 2... 1...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on April 17, 2020, 03:13:04 PM
Very cool design, Syph :o :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on April 17, 2020, 04:08:35 PM
Very interesting  :popcorn: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SirVicaLot on April 17, 2020, 04:13:30 PM
 :iagree: :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on April 17, 2020, 04:44:16 PM
I think I get it -  :think:  - Will know for sure when we see the pics
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bliss58 on April 17, 2020, 05:03:44 PM
Here is what the wrench looks like so far.  This is for a 91mm front scale.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=474958;image)

Very cool concept. That would open up a lot of possibilities as a multitool layer, ruler, pry bar, mag glass  :D those would be my picks
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on April 17, 2020, 05:28:28 PM
Fascinating idea - can't wait for the real thing :like:

I hate to bring this up, but aren't you afraid the wrench might be loss-prone? Would there be any way to secure it...?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on April 17, 2020, 05:34:16 PM


aren't you afraid the wrench might be loss-prone? Would there be any way to secure it...?

Like... With a bolt? :pok:
:D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on April 17, 2020, 05:57:35 PM
:dunno:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on April 17, 2020, 06:06:38 PM
I take it all the time it is shut it won’t come out
So you can only loose it if you open it  :dunno:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 17, 2020, 11:50:28 PM
I take it all the time it is shut it won’t come out
So you can only loose it if you open it  :dunno:

That's right.  That retension mechanism is deliberately flush with the scale edge so it has to be intentionally removed. 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 18, 2020, 12:02:36 AM
First wrench.

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Post by: Wspeed on April 18, 2020, 12:07:20 AM
Looking good  :like: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pa_strunk on April 18, 2020, 07:53:15 AM
Mr innovation is at it again  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on April 18, 2020, 10:47:13 AM
 :drool: :like:
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Post by: FInixNOver on April 18, 2020, 11:51:49 AM
Looking really nice!

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 18, 2020, 04:14:38 PM
Works just fine... :D  Its a standard thickness scale, so the bonus tool does not increase the thickness at all.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on April 18, 2020, 04:20:47 PM
Now thats very cool.  Best of all no added thickness.   :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on April 18, 2020, 04:35:44 PM
Works just fine... :D  Its a standard thickness scale, so the bonus tool does not increase the thickness at all.
That is soooo cool!!! 


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: pa_strunk on April 19, 2020, 02:14:08 AM
That is freaking awesome  :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: bliss58 on April 19, 2020, 02:55:57 AM
I second that!

Now thats very cool.  Best of all no added thickness.   :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SirVicaLot on April 19, 2020, 05:46:54 AM
Awesome! Can’t wait to see it mounted on a SAK  :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on April 19, 2020, 09:47:07 AM
Wicked!

Does it go opposite of the drawer scale or does one have to choose between the wrench and a drawer?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on April 19, 2020, 12:15:00 PM
Hmmm. There shouldn't be any reason why one could not have both...
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 19, 2020, 02:00:57 PM
Wicked!

Does it go opposite of the drawer scale or does one have to choose between the wrench and a drawer?

On 91s I do the drawer on the back scale so no problem to have both.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on April 19, 2020, 02:02:34 PM
That would be cool with both  8) :like:
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Post by: Mechanickal on April 19, 2020, 02:07:11 PM
:drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 19, 2020, 02:14:02 PM
Awesome! Can’t wait to see it mounted on a SAK  :tu:

I have a scale set in the tumbler so I'll be building one today or tomorrow.  I need a new standard model to have on hand for 91s and I think a super tinker with drawer scale, wrench scale and pocket clip would  be good.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on April 19, 2020, 02:31:26 PM
Can’t wait  :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on April 19, 2020, 03:28:33 PM
This maybe a question thats been answered or something I should have seen in the pic but, do you have a logo?  Do you not mark your customs in anyway? 
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 19, 2020, 04:11:00 PM
This maybe a question thats been answered or something I should have seen in the pic but, do you have a logo?  Do you not mark your customs in anyway?

Only if people ask.  I have my signature vectorized and some people want me to sign it so I will use a diamond drag engraver on the cnc to do my sig.

As for recognizing if something is one I've done in the wild people can ask me and I can spot easily if it's mine or not.  Biggest inital clue is the screws.  I sand each screw head surface and polish them jeweler style.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on April 20, 2020, 02:20:34 PM
That's just sweet! :like: :hatsoff:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 25, 2020, 08:45:13 PM
Not too shabby I think!

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 25, 2020, 08:47:17 PM
Couple More
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Post by: faca on April 25, 2020, 08:52:35 PM
OMG I love It.
VERY good work.

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on April 25, 2020, 09:17:04 PM
Gorgeous just gorgeous  :dd: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on April 25, 2020, 09:18:00 PM
Couple More
I offered on Instagram and I’ll offer here...

You need a tester??




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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on April 25, 2020, 09:25:19 PM
I offered on Instagram and I’ll offer here...

You need a tester??




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Haha I have tested the wrench for light duty ans it's fine.  Maybe I should test one to failure to see what it can do.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on April 25, 2020, 09:38:52 PM
I offered on Instagram and I’ll offer here...

You need a tester??




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I'll do the same then too.

Count me in with Brent!
MTO test team 8)
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Post by: zrxoa1 on April 25, 2020, 10:09:53 PM
I'll do the same then too.

Count me in with Brent!
MTO test team 8)
Yeah c’mon Syph!!!  Let us be testers. Please please please!!!!




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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on April 25, 2020, 10:14:32 PM
Pretty please? :dd:
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Post by: pa_strunk on April 25, 2020, 11:49:14 PM
 :tu: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: faca on April 26, 2020, 12:57:32 AM
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I see the sak has two add tools one in each scale ? One thicker than the other but only one is shown in the pics?

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zoidberg on April 26, 2020, 01:06:52 AM
I see the sak has two add tools one in each scale ? One thicker than the other but only one is shown in the pics?

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The other is a drawer, shown here...

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=476003;image)

Like these...

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=466846;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=467594;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: zrxoa1 on April 26, 2020, 01:27:23 AM
I see the sak has two add tools one in each scale ? One thicker than the other but only one is shown in the pics?

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Also, in case you missed it earlier, this is what the non-drawer scale looks like...
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200425/50c09a66124f6c586715bdb6d5691527.png)


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Aloha on April 26, 2020, 02:47:09 AM
 :hatsoff: Well done.  The best part is no additional thickness yet an added feature  :salute:.  Seems the door has opened to other features the scales can house  :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: faca on April 26, 2020, 01:01:18 PM
OMGx2

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on April 26, 2020, 01:48:09 PM
Haha I have tested the wrench for light duty and it's fine.  Maybe I should test one to failure to see what it can do.

Yeah - That was going to be my concern - It's quite thin and to do a nut up tight you need quite a bit of torque. . :o

But I am no engineer or metallurgist - And I do know (from this thread) that Ti is very strong
- And I do completely trust anything that Syph creates    :salute:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on April 26, 2020, 02:06:22 PM
Wow... simply wow... :like: :like: :like:
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Post by: SurgeUk on April 26, 2020, 04:46:31 PM
Wow... simply wow... :like: :like: :like:
:iagree: :like: :drool:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on April 30, 2020, 12:50:50 PM
Very cool to see the idea come to fruition, Syph :salute: :like: I do love that it doesn't add any thickness to the overall :o :salute: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on June 16, 2020, 02:29:07 AM
Fans of this thread    ....And the sakmodder himself !   :)   .... Will be interested in these recent updates to the SAKWiki - Websites page ! (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Website+List)   :tu:

...... How this was not there in the first place I do not know!!  :think:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on July 31, 2020, 02:48:08 PM
Ive been doing the same old thing over and over, and here is something slightly different.

Mokume shield with a bear paw.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: SteveC on July 31, 2020, 03:16:01 PM
That's a great looking shield !     :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Reinier on July 31, 2020, 03:24:43 PM
I love it. My son's logo/symbol is a bear paw. He needs a SAK like that one :)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on July 31, 2020, 06:07:49 PM
Love the shield  :like: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sos24 on August 01, 2020, 02:53:43 AM
Great looking knife.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 16, 2020, 01:26:52 PM
I redid the multi cross, multi anodize scale concept with a finer texture and it turned out pretty sweet.

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=486445;Image,)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ElevenBlade on August 16, 2020, 02:05:40 PM
Really nice  :like: :like:

Can you do blackened or acid-washed blades?  Doesn't seem to be your style, but  :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Wspeed on August 16, 2020, 02:07:47 PM
That is looking really nice  :like: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Rizio Il Ghiro on September 14, 2020, 06:49:22 PM
Simply stunning work as always! :like: :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Hevy (CT-782) on September 14, 2020, 07:09:20 PM
Awesome.

A true artpiece

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on September 15, 2020, 01:26:35 AM
Yeah - The finer texture looks great

Nice toolset too - Love it
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on September 19, 2020, 10:10:43 AM
Robert,

Can you confirm that your Custom builds are being sent out in a piece of cloth that was taken from an old shirt? Or is that a BS story from the seller?

(https://i.imgur.com/hcxKAF5.jpg)

If true, did you supply the rubber bands too?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 19, 2020, 04:07:02 PM
Robert,

Can you confirm that your Custom builds are being sent out in a piece of cloth that was taken from an old shirt? Or is that a BS story from the seller?

(https://i.imgur.com/hcxKAF5.jpg)

If true, did you supply the rubber bands too?

Ya I was out of nicer material and didn't have anything handy.  If the bubble wrap touches the Ti it will mark it so I needed to wrap in something. I've always underpackahed so if customs or someone curious looks in there it doesn't look like something expensive they will steal.

My wife started sewing little pouches of cloth that I use to ship in now though.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on September 19, 2020, 04:10:08 PM
:ahhh
Now I wish I didn't know that last thing :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ElevenBlade on September 19, 2020, 04:41:19 PM
Ya I was out of nicer material and didn't have anything handy.  If the bubble wrap touches the Ti it will mark it so I needed to wrap in something. I've always underpackahed so if customs or someone curious looks in there it doesn't look like something expensive they will steal.

My wife started sewing little pouches of cloth that I use to ship in now though.

Nice. That adds a personal touch coming from you.  :like:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: TazzieRob on September 19, 2020, 05:52:49 PM
:ahhh
Now I wish I didn't know that last thing :rofl:

What's wrong with a SAK sack?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on September 19, 2020, 06:32:11 PM
What's wrong with a SAK sack?
Only the fact I don't have one :rofl:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Don Pablo on September 19, 2020, 10:14:41 PM
Only the fact I don't have one :rofl:
Gotta collect 'em all, eh? :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Mechanickal on September 19, 2020, 10:15:25 PM
Not all...
But many :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sos24 on September 19, 2020, 11:15:06 PM
Gotta collect 'em all, eh? :D
Not necessarily them all, but another could always be nice
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: solideuce on September 28, 2020, 01:57:59 AM
Can someone explain to me why the inline philips/cap lifter combo won’t work on a 91mm? I see others in this thread have asked before but the generic answer I’ve read is that the flathead and philips tips are too long. I tried it using the blade back spring and it seems like it would work if you shaved off the inner most round notch on the philips driver a little. What am I glaringly missing?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 28, 2020, 04:11:59 AM
Can someone explain to me why the inline philips/cap lifter combo won’t work on a 91mm? I see others in this thread have asked before but the generic answer I’ve read is that the flathead and philips tips are too long. I tried it using the blade back spring and it seems like it would work if you shaved off the inner most round notch on the philips driver a little. What am I glaringly missing?

Phillips is too long and the pivot shape of each tool on a 91 is different.   93s are symmetrical so the springs can be reversed and each opener tool gets the correct spring end.  No way to do that on a 91 without major hacking to all the tools and springs.  I tried once and it wasnt worth the hassle.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: solideuce on September 28, 2020, 05:24:18 PM
Thank you Syph for clearing that up. Guess I’m sticking with the combo tool behind the main blade then. I’ve been reading this thread over the past couple weeks and have been admiring all your handiwork and ingenious ideas. Awesome work.

Since you’ve basically worked with all the available parts, do you know if the flat screwdriver (the one that goes on the back spring) can be retrofitted to work on the back spring that holds the scissors? It looks like a little rounding of the edges may give it the snap and fitting it needs. Like many on this thread who are following your work, I’m trying to make a custom SAK that incorporates only what I need for an urban environment - the flathead screwdriver is of greater use to me than the parcel hook.

Thanks again for your feedback it’s greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 28, 2020, 07:44:50 PM
Yes you can put the fine driver on back of scissors but it's alot of tweaking to work.  Round the pivot area, bend the scissors spring to give it more closing pressure and grind down the scissors rest area or the scissors will sit too high. That's what I do to fit the awl on back of scissors
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: solideuce on September 28, 2020, 08:43:57 PM
Great thanks! It’s either that or keep the hook and add the saw/flat driver as another layer
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Coyote30 on November 05, 2020, 08:33:18 PM
Can someone tell me if the main blade on a 93mm electrician be swapped out for scissors and still have room for the awl?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on November 05, 2020, 09:02:26 PM
Not enough room to fit any tool with scissors.  The main blade is bent to make it fit.  If you try to bend scissors similarly they will break.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on March 28, 2021, 11:00:24 PM
I messed up my shoulder and was out of commission for a couple months.  Finally back at it with a mod that was very fiddly to assemble.  84mm Sportsman plus scissors, clip, drawer and timascus cross.  :D

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=506426;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=506428;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=506430;image)

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34772.0;attach=506432;image)
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Sos24 on March 29, 2021, 12:10:58 AM
Very beautiful final product.

Sorry to hear about the shoulder but glad it has healed.
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Post by: pfrsantos on March 29, 2021, 12:29:06 PM
Very beautiful final product.

Sorry to hear about the shoulder but glad it has healed.

+1

Great comeback SAK!

 :cheers: :tu:
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Post by: Mechanickal on March 29, 2021, 09:39:36 PM
:iagree:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on March 30, 2021, 01:20:57 AM
Glad to have you back :salute: Hope the shoulder gets better and better everyday :tu: and that is a beautiful mod :dd: :drool: :like:
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Post by: pa_strunk on March 30, 2021, 06:13:18 AM
 :iagree: :tu:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 08, 2021, 04:07:58 PM
Someone asked about modding one of the new vic lockblade kitchen knives.... New one to me but I think it would be a cool little tool repacked in Ti.  Now this plastic integral would not be something I could make as is, in Ti but I could make a set of scales and a spacer screwed together. 

It looks like it has a mini backspring embedded into the plastic but it's hard to tell.   They come in plain and serrated.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on August 08, 2021, 04:36:07 PM
Hello Stranger - Welcome to this thread   ;)    :o

Sounds intetesting - Go for it    :tu:   :D
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Gareth on August 08, 2021, 07:46:56 PM
Hello Stranger - Welcome to this thread   ;)    :o

Sounds intetesting - Go for it    :tu:   :D
:iagree:

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on August 09, 2021, 12:14:41 AM
Hello Stranger - Welcome to this thread   ;)    :o

Sounds intetesting - Go for it    :tu:   :D

I've been either building saks or up at the land cutting trees into boards for the last 6 or so months.  Not much time for even relaxing and I'm way behind on my Netflix and movie watching.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Huntsman on August 09, 2021, 12:50:25 AM
I know real life is such a pain isn't it?   ???-

I've got lockdown, home schooling, paid employment, cooking, cleaning and DIY
All getting in the way of my true purpose in life - Wiki and MTo activities     ;)      :rofl:

What are you doing with all the boards? Sounds interesting  ...... and hard work !

Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on August 09, 2021, 06:03:38 PM
Can't wait to see what you come up with :tu: :like: :popcorn:

Also, hope that the progress up on your land is coming along the way you want :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Ivanhoe1881 on September 15, 2021, 12:59:08 PM
I was just finishing up this sailor custom and since people seemed interested in assembly pics I tools a bunch during the test fit up. 

This is typically how I build them.  Lay the parts out from back to front and then assemble as I go.  There are actually 38 separate parts in this mod, each and every single one has had work done to it, not one stock part in the lot.  From tool pivot drilling, edge buffing, part reshaping, screw polishing, pivot cutting, drill and counter sinking scales and custom washer making.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5029.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5032.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5038.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5040.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5042.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5043.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5045.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5047.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5049.jpg)

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/Syph007/Alox%20Assembly/IMG_5052.jpg)
I really like this mod. Is the backspring for the pliers custom made or is it possible to use it from the 91mm?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: enki_ck on September 15, 2021, 04:09:25 PM
Someone asked about modding one of the new vic lockblade kitchen knives.... New one to me but I think it would be a cool little tool repacked in Ti.  Now this plastic integral would not be something I could make as is, in Ti but I could make a set of scales and a spacer screwed together. 

It looks like it has a mini backspring embedded into the plastic but it's hard to tell.   They come in plain and serrated.

Didn't know they are making them in folder now. I have them as regular knives and love them. Those would make for great glamping knives.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Ivanhoe1881 on September 19, 2021, 02:44:56 PM
I tried to capture the color better, but I just can't do it justice.  Anyway, here are a few shots from Saturday.

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/SAKs_On_The_Rocks_1_20160917.jpg)

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/SAKs_On_The_Rocks_2_20160917.jpg)

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/SAKs_On_The_Rocks_3_20160917.jpg)

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/A-Frame_1_20160917.jpg)

(http://1001uses.com/images/SAK/Pumpkin_1_20160917.jpg)


Beautiful knife you got there!! I really like this simple texture and the old cross design. Imagine a red anodized Ti scale, but I guess that’s not possible?  :drool: Im wonder why it’s a different screw near the knife tang though?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on September 19, 2021, 03:32:27 PM
Grat pic, Ivanhoe :o :like: and welcome to :MTO: :cheers:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Ivanhoe1881 on September 20, 2021, 09:14:17 PM
Grat pic, Ivanhoe :o :like: and welcome to :MTO: :cheers:
Thanks! I’ve went through all 200 pages now of this thread. It took me 7h but man there’s a lot of beautiful builds!
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: RF52 on September 23, 2021, 09:35:43 PM
Have been listening to "mark of the maker" podcast and heard Syph mentioned by name in two episodes for his amazing SAK mods, very cool! :cheers:

Episode 69 at 60 minutes and 27 seconds.
And episode 66 at around 14 minutes and 30 seconds I think it was if anyone are interested.

:hatsoff:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Syph007 on September 24, 2021, 03:06:33 PM
Have been listening to "mark of the maker" podcast and heard Syph mentioned by name in two episodes for his amazing SAK mods, very cool! :cheers:

Episode 69 at 60 minutes and 27 seconds.
And episode 66 at around 14 minutes and 30 seconds I think it was if anyone are interested.

:hatsoff:

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I heard those too!  I'm doing one for Mark once we settle on specs.
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: RF52 on September 24, 2021, 03:12:21 PM
I heard those too!  I'm doing one for Mark once we settle on specs.
Awesome! I'm guessing he wants a scale drawer :tu:

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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: gadgetman7 on October 07, 2021, 11:26:24 PM
Have you thought about doing 111mm mods?


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Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: ReamerPunch on December 14, 2021, 06:09:49 PM
 :think:
Can the 93mm in-line awl be put in a 58mm SAK?
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: Poncho65 on December 14, 2021, 07:01:37 PM
Not sure but it sure would be interesting to see  :D :popcorn:
Title: Re: And so it begins.... (My adventures into Alox!)
Post by: kamakiri on December 14, 2021, 09:24:48 PM
:think:
Can the 93mm in-line awl be put in a 58mm SAK?

Sure can.