Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 27, 2015, 01:02:00 AM
Have our "Outdoorsmen" bought one and used them out in the woods, or are they just being picked up by our urbanites? Do we have any reviews of them in an outdoor pursuits setting yet?
I appreciate this might not be the best time of year for spending playtime in the great outdoors for some people :D
Post by: zoidberg on November 27, 2015, 01:11:13 AM
Post by: ducttapetech on November 27, 2015, 01:35:59 AM
But, let's keep one thing in mind, all multis and SAKs are compromises of regular tools and knives. Does not matter if it says Huntsman or Signal or the tool load out, it is still a multi.
I still would like to try one out.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 27, 2015, 01:39:54 AM
It's summer here, someone send me one to review. :pok: :D
Yeah, someone do it! :pok:
Not only can we finally get a full outdoors in-use write up on the Signal, but we can actually get Zoidie doing something useful too....
:P
:pommel:
:rofl:
;)
Post by: ducttapetech on November 27, 2015, 01:40:55 AM
Post by: zoidberg on November 27, 2015, 01:43:47 AM
Post by: babola on November 27, 2015, 02:07:29 AM
It's summer here, someone send me one to review. :pok: :D
They don't want to get it back modded with Rebar's awl and Wingman's scissors, though...
>:D
Post by: Obi1shinobee on November 27, 2015, 02:18:47 AM
:facepalm: This is mod?It's summer here, someone send me one to review. :pok: :D
They don't want to get it back modded with Rebar's awl and Wingman's scissors, though...
>:D
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 27, 2015, 02:52:25 AM
I have not messed with one yet. Might be a while before I do. However, there are a few aspects where it can be useful. But for the most part, I don't hardly use any multi or SAKs while in the fields or bush. Fixed blades rein supreme in those settings. As much as I like my SAKs, SOGs and LM, they hardly get used. But there is nothing that says a survival situation has to be in the woods or bush. This is where pliers and other tools will come in handy. Or things like fixing a shotgun or a rifle on a hunting trip. That 4 wheeler that won't start.
But, let's keep one thing in mind, all multis and SAKs are compromises of regular tools and knives. Does not matter if it says Huntsman or Signal or the tool load out, it is still a multi.
I still would like to try one out.
Totally agree that a survival situation could be anywhere and for many different reasons Nate :tu: However, this and so many other "survival" products seem to be woodland biased. There's two different types of survival, one is imminent risk of loss of life, and the other is a marketing concept :D
It just seems that the exposure we've seen on the forum so far is either folks (like me) looking at it on the web in comparison with tools they are familiar using, and others using it away from where the marketing suggests it will save the day. Whether compared to other products, or as a standalone review, it would be nice to see someone more neutral than me :P putting it through it's paces in an outdoor setting :cheers:
Post by: Kampfer on November 27, 2015, 03:50:43 AM
It's summer here, someone send me one to review. :pok: :D
Give me your address, you better test the smurf out it and hack it to the max before you sending it back.
Post by: babola on November 27, 2015, 04:40:53 AM
It's summer here, someone send me one to review. :pok: :D
Give me your address, you better test the smurf out it and hack it to the max before you sending it back.
This will be your third Signal, right?
When are you going to learn, Kam....
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 27, 2015, 10:26:20 AM
It's summer here, someone send me one to review. :pok: :D
Give me your address, you better test the smurf out it and hack it to the max before you sending it back.
:2tu: You gonna drop the saw back in for him?
Post by: Obi1shinobee on November 27, 2015, 07:16:18 PM
It's summer here, someone send me one to review. :pok: :D
Give me your address, you better test the smurf out it and hack it to the max before you sending it back.
This will be your third Signal, right?
When are you going to learn, Kam....
he not :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Kampfer on November 27, 2015, 07:22:52 PM
Correct.It's summer here, someone send me one to review. :pok: :D
Give me your address, you better test the smurf out it and hack it to the max before you sending it back.
This will be your third Signal, right?
When are you going to learn, Kam....
he not :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Kampfer on November 27, 2015, 07:44:09 PM
I don't see your address, are you chickening out?It's summer here, someone send me one to review. :pok: :D
Give me your address, you better test the smurf out it and hack it to the max before you sending it back.
This will be your third Signal, right?
When are you going to learn, Kam....
Post by: babola on November 27, 2015, 07:53:40 PM
I don't see your address, are you chickening out?It's summer here, someone send me one to review. :pok: :D
Give me your address, you better test the smurf out it and hack it to the max before you sending it back.
This will be your third Signal, right?
When are you going to learn, Kam....
Nah, send it to Zoidberg. He's more rural and his backyard is literally bordering on the outdoors. I'm city dweller and not sure yet how much will be spending outdoors in NZ this Summer. If I get to go to make it to Te Urewera forest with my boys in the end, I'll let you know. Would be good to put this tool to a real test.
Post by: Grathr on November 27, 2015, 08:16:15 PM
Im looking forward to read how it fares in the woods.
Post by: zoidberg on November 28, 2015, 09:13:56 AM
Sent from the land of the long white cloud.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 28, 2015, 09:16:48 AM
Don't panic, I'll be back to net land soon.
Sent from the land of the long white cloud.
If you're not on the net now, how did you post this? :think:
Post by: zoidberg on November 28, 2015, 09:20:18 AM
Don't panic, I'll be back to net land soon.
Sent from the land of the long white cloud.
If you're not on the net now, how did you post this? :think:
Carrier pigeon.
Sent from the land of the long white cloud.
Post by: Grathr on November 28, 2015, 09:21:49 AM
Don't panic, I'll be back to net land soon.
Sent from the land of the long white cloud.
If you're not on the net now, how did you post this? :think:
Timetravel. He is in the future you know ;)
Post by: Monrogue on November 28, 2015, 05:36:26 PM
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Post by: derekmac on November 28, 2015, 10:40:31 PM
I look forward to seeing how it does when put to use as intended.Me too!!
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Post by: Demel on November 30, 2015, 11:47:24 AM
Post by: Kampfer on December 02, 2015, 09:34:16 PM
I think the late boy scout heard your request https://youtu.be/3U4I_YfbX7M
I lost respect for LBS because this video, he toot Leatherman's horn all the way through, sounded like Signal is the perfect tool.
Post by: Obi1shinobee on December 02, 2015, 09:40:08 PM
I think the late boy scout heard your request https://youtu.be/3U4I_YfbX7M
I lost respect for LBS because this video, he toot Leatherman's horn all the way through, sounded like Signal is the perfect tool.
Perfect tool?? :think: :think: :think: :think: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: MAYBE HE NEVER HEARD MINI SURGE AND BLAST OFF
Post by: Obi1shinobee on December 02, 2015, 09:51:46 PM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on December 02, 2015, 10:24:58 PM
I think the late boy scout heard your request https://youtu.be/3U4I_YfbX7M
I lost respect for LBS because this video, he toot Leatherman's horn all the way through, sounded like Signal is the perfect tool.
I must agree. He started off by saying he'd used a couple of things on a recent trip, then went through all the other stuff simply saying it "could" have been useful.
Save the review till AFTER the you've used the bloody thing ::) let's have a bit of substance to it, other than what tools it has, and whether someone might find a use for it! I always feel short changed after watching/reading a review if I could have got most of the info off the advertising. Tell us what we don't already know
Post by: Kampfer on December 03, 2015, 12:37:14 AM
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63323.0;attach=252311;image)
Post by: babola on December 03, 2015, 12:41:48 AM
Going to Z-Man
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63323.0;attach=252311;image)
You're type of a friend everyone would like to have. :cheers:
Zoidy, make sure you put that poor thing thru a hell >:D
Post by: Kampfer on December 03, 2015, 02:25:24 AM
Post by: zoidberg on December 03, 2015, 07:59:30 AM
Going to Z-Man
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63323.0;attach=252311;image)
:ahhh :woohoo: :nanadance:
Post by: zoidberg on December 03, 2015, 08:00:16 AM
Going to Z-Man
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63323.0;attach=252311;image)
You're type of a friend everyone would like to have. :cheers:
Zoidy, make sure you put that poor thing thru a hell >:D
:D
Post by: Monrogue on December 03, 2015, 06:42:55 PM
Can't wait to see what you do with the Signal bud.Going to Z-Man
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63323.0;attach=252311;image)
:ahhh :woohoo: :nanadance:
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Post by: zoidberg on December 03, 2015, 11:06:21 PM
Can't wait to see what you do with the Signal bud.Going to Z-Man
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63323.0;attach=252311;image)
:ahhh :woohoo: :nanadance:
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Got any ideas?
Post by: Monrogue on December 04, 2015, 12:12:05 AM
I meant uses/testing. Not sure about modding possibilities :think:Can't wait to see what you do with the Signal bud.Going to Z-Man
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63323.0;attach=252311;image)
:ahhh :woohoo: :nanadance:
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Got any ideas?
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Post by: zoidberg on December 04, 2015, 12:19:02 AM
I meant uses/testing. Not sure about modding possibilities :think:Can't wait to see what you do with the Signal bud.Going to Z-Man
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63323.0;attach=252311;image)
:ahhh :woohoo: :nanadance:
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Got any ideas?
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Yeah uses/testing. :tu: Not really looking to mod it as it is a loaner.
Post by: Monrogue on December 04, 2015, 12:30:51 AM
You work outdoors a lot don't you? Or at least most of your pics are outside.I meant uses/testing. Not sure about modding possibilities :think:Can't wait to see what you do with the Signal bud.Going to Z-Man
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63323.0;attach=252311;image)
:ahhh :woohoo: :nanadance:
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Got any ideas?
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Yeah uses/testing. :tu: Not really looking to mod it as it is a loaner.
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Post by: Kampfer on December 04, 2015, 12:48:03 AM
Post by: Grathr on December 04, 2015, 07:57:57 AM
Thanks Kampfer for making this possible!
Post by: zoidberg on December 10, 2015, 08:10:15 AM
Show content
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/652/23647279545_7f133dbb27_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/C2Cumi)
Post by: Kampfer on December 10, 2015, 08:56:53 AM
Post by: WiseDuck on December 10, 2015, 09:28:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5SM01MS8T4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U4I_YfbX7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkPf2TL9uKY
Post by: Kampfer on December 10, 2015, 09:29:30 AM
Post by: WiseDuck on December 10, 2015, 10:01:53 AM
The tool caters to pretty much exactly the type of person you see in those videos, so I'm not surprised that they like it. Also, I'm not surprised that people have higher standards on this forum. It IS a forum dedicated to multi tools after all.
Post by: babola on December 10, 2015, 07:21:46 PM
I stated before, this tool will be liked by many and disliked by some. It's got its place and applicability with the light hikers and amateur outdoor enthusiast, which admittedly make the majority of the 'outdoorsy' folk these days.
I for one, have slowly drifted into that category over the recent years since the family and kids have taken over my more serious multi-day outdoor escapades. Heck, who knows, I may be one of those who start using Signal in the future too...as my Surge/Benchmade/firesteel/whistle discrete combo becomes relegated to the spare 3-day BOB.
All said, the main issue for many, and one of the MAJOR reasons of discontent with this tool is it's high price. It's a novelty, yes, no other MT manufacturer has come up with anything similar in such an attractive 'complete' set of outdoor implements (Obi, skip it this time please), true...but the novelty will eventually wear off and the price should come down too to better match Signal's outdoor capabilities and tool load which while not great, it's pretty good as it stands at the moment.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on December 10, 2015, 07:42:42 PM
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I've just got the wrong eyes :rofl:
I genuinely struggle to understand why folks like it, as all I can see are the things that would really annoy me, and I feel the price issue is only so bad because of the design issues. If others see a different picture, so be it. I'm sure that some of my tool choices leave other people utterly perplexed too. I may not understand it, but I do accept it :salute:
However, watching those clips does make me wonder whether they see the issues I see in some way and just skip over them, or if they are genuinely not even minor issues for them at all. I do hope they genuinely have no issues with it, and aren't just tempering their views to oppease viewers
Post by: babola on December 10, 2015, 08:43:15 PM
Most others will never push the tool too far and too hard, those will be the folk who will give it 4 and 5 stars.
Post by: leathermon on December 10, 2015, 08:51:07 PM
Post by: zoidberg on December 10, 2015, 08:56:41 PM
none of them pointed out the issues Singal has.
:salute:
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I've just got the wrong eyes :rofl:
I genuinely struggle to understand why folks like it, as all I can see are the things that would really annoy me, and I feel the price issue is only so bad because of the design issues. If others see a different picture, so be it. I'm sure that some of my tool choices leave other people utterly perplexed too. I may not understand it, but I do accept it :salute:
However, watching those clips does make me wonder whether they see the issues I see in some way and just skip over them, or if they are genuinely not even minor issues for them at all. I do hope they genuinely have no issues with it, and aren't just tempering their views to oppease viewers
To save me looking, could you two recap or link me to your previous posts about it. Also fiddy, you seen one in person?
Post by: Aloha on December 10, 2015, 09:34:07 PM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on December 10, 2015, 10:09:26 PM
To save me looking, could you two recap or link me to your previous posts about it. Also fiddy, you seen one in person?
Not seen or handled a Signal, BUT I have seen and handled similar problems on other LM tools, which the signal seems to replicate, or even make worse.
Quick summary off the top (I might forget some stuff):
Overly splayed handles
Impeded main gripping area
"Fat" awl, not a slow taper
Driver only usable in open position
Can opener only usable in open position
Awl function reduced even further in closed position
Ferro rod on whistle (mouth contact with dust/residue, not just from use but potential degredation in storage depending on type of rod)
Caribiner "pinching" the hand when tool is in closed position as demonstrated by a member here
Design of cast hammer with thin sectional areas
I think that's most of it :think: The other stuff would probably just be "personal preference" incidental stuff like wanting scissors. I really don't think handling the tool would have much bearing on my views with these observations
Post by: AimlessWanderer on December 10, 2015, 10:14:13 PM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on December 10, 2015, 10:16:48 PM
Post by: Kampfer on December 10, 2015, 10:17:02 PM
Knife is good, but with an odd angle grind to give clearance for the awl. I am cool with that.
Saw is standard LM saw, but pinky might silde into cararbiner during usage.
Pliers head is good, but handles spread wider than other LM tools. ( to give clearence for the handle mount gadgets)
Can opener, standard stuff.
Awl is blunt and dull
Drivers, standard bit holder, good but you can not use it with the tool closed, because the hammer is blocking it. So you have use it with the handles extended in 180* like you would on Skeletool. However Skeletool uses back springs to click the handles in position, not so on Signal. The fire starter handle is sloppy, making it diffcult to use the driver.
Hammer, cararbiner, bottle opener, bit driver are all good.
Sharpener is so short, not sure how well it can do its job. Carrying a diamond file from Surge is a much better option.
Anyway, it feels like you pay more to get less when comparing to Wave.
Post by: Kampfer on December 10, 2015, 10:22:24 PM
Oh (again) there's the whole pliers poking out the side when you try to close the tool after taking the whistle/ferro rod out. That's just sloppiness though, and not a critical functional thing or major ergos of use thing.Not a big deal to me. Without the fire starter you can still force the tool close, just with more force. Get your hand out of the way and it would be fine.
Oh, there is the handles having the removable bits potentially affecting comfort of using the tool, but that IS something I would only know if I handled it :salute:It is less comfortable without the gadgets, but only slighty.
Post by: zoidberg on December 10, 2015, 10:24:40 PM
Post by: sawman on December 10, 2015, 10:30:35 PM
Post by: zoidberg on December 10, 2015, 10:38:49 PM
I'd like to point out that everyone who purchases one of these monstrosities is contributing toward the price staying sky high. ::)
Have you handled one and what are your problems with it?
Post by: rishardh on December 10, 2015, 11:00:48 PM
I'd like to point out that everyone who purchases one of these monstrosities is contributing toward the price staying sky high. ::)
Guilty... >:D
Post by: sawman on December 10, 2015, 11:21:20 PM
No I haven't handled one because I took that $120 and bought groceries to feed my family.I'd like to point out that everyone who purchases one of these monstrosities is contributing toward the price staying sky high. ::)
Have you handled one and what are your problems with it?
Post by: zoidberg on December 10, 2015, 11:26:27 PM
No I haven't handled one because I took that $120 and bought groceries to feed my family.I'd like to point out that everyone who purchases one of these monstrosities is contributing toward the price staying sky high. ::)
Have you handled one and what are your problems with it?
So price is the monstrosity?
Post by: Monrogue on December 11, 2015, 12:45:26 AM
Oops, me too :whistle:I'd like to point out that everyone who purchases one of these monstrosities is contributing toward the price staying sky high. ::)
Guilty... >:D
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Post by: Monrogue on December 11, 2015, 12:47:34 AM
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Post by: WiseDuck on December 11, 2015, 08:30:56 AM
Post by: leathermon on December 11, 2015, 02:07:22 PM
I'd like to point out that everyone who purchases one of these monstrosities is contributing toward the price staying sky high. ::)So if everyone stops buying a corvette the price will come down to a Fiesta?
Post by: Aloha on December 11, 2015, 06:42:46 PM
I'd like to point out that everyone who purchases one of these monstrosities is contributing toward the price staying sky high. ::)So if everyone stops buying a corvette the price will come down to a Fiesta?
Someone please PM when this happens :rofl:
The price will settle on the Signal but I don't see it being sold for Sidekick/Wingman/Rev prices.
Post by: tjfarrington2000 on December 11, 2015, 07:46:45 PM
There is absolutely NO SENSE in kicking a DEAD HORSE!!!I think the late boy scout heard your request https://youtu.be/3U4I_YfbX7M
I lost respect for LBS because this video, he toot Leatherman's horn all the way through, sounded like Signal is the perfect tool.
Perfect tool?? :think: :think: :think: :think: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: MAYBE HE NEVER HEARD MINI SURGE AND BLAST OFF
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Post by: SAK Guy on December 11, 2015, 08:35:53 PM
There is absolutely NO SENSE in kicking a DEAD HORSE!!!I think the late boy scout heard your request https://youtu.be/3U4I_YfbX7M
I lost respect for LBS because this video, he toot Leatherman's horn all the way through, sounded like Signal is the perfect tool.
Perfect tool?? :think: :think: :think: :think: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: MAYBE HE NEVER HEARD MINI SURGE AND BLAST OFF
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That horse was beat on page 1....why bring it up again on page 3? ???
Post by: Obi1shinobee on December 11, 2015, 08:37:48 PM
There is absolutely NO SENSE in kicking a DEAD HORSE!!!I think the late boy scout heard your request https://youtu.be/3U4I_YfbX7M
I lost respect for LBS because this video, he toot Leatherman's horn all the way through, sounded like Signal is the perfect tool.
Perfect tool?? :think: :think: :think: :think: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: MAYBE HE NEVER HEARD MINI SURGE AND BLAST OFF
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That horse was beat on page 1....why bring it up again on page 3? ???
That Horse become hamburger :rofl: When Surge challenge :cheers:
Post by: AimlessWanderer on December 11, 2015, 08:39:49 PM
Thank you guys. :cheers:
Happy to help, Zoidie old boy :cheers:
I know I've been particularly vocal about this tool without holding one, but I don't feel my comments are unwarranted from my own personal perspective. It will be very interesting to hear your own take on it.
Are you doing the Surge challenge, and will that affect when you can review the Signal? I'm sure you can get special dispensation for handling all day to day tasks with the Surge, and doing some contrived tests with the Signal ;)
Post by: Grathr on December 12, 2015, 10:08:15 AM
Post by: zoidberg on December 12, 2015, 10:26:05 AM
Thank you guys. :cheers:
Happy to help, Zoidie old boy :cheers:
I know I've been particularly vocal about this tool without holding one, but I don't feel my comments are unwarranted from my own personal perspective. It will be very interesting to hear your own take on it.
Are you doing the Surge challenge, and will that affect when you can review the Signal? I'm sure you can get special dispensation for handling all day to day tasks with the Surge, and doing some contrived tests with the Signal ;)
Need all the help I can get. It's easy to forget that others do things differently. If I can't listen then how can I relate to things.
I haven't made a call on when or how yet. Things are pretty busy here atm but at least the tool is ready to go when I get to it.
Post by: zoidberg on December 12, 2015, 10:27:55 AM
looking forward to read what you think of it Zoidberg. :popcorn:
I am looking forward to the testing, the writing up of it not so much. :D
Post by: AimlessWanderer on January 28, 2016, 08:15:50 PM
Post by: Monrogue on January 28, 2016, 09:00:28 PM
Hope all is well buddy
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Post by: Kampfer on February 01, 2016, 07:55:05 PM
His logic are:
1. Oh I don't use the XYZ tool on Wave often, so i don't mind the Signal lacks of them.
If that is the case then I can remove MT, Knife and flashlight from my EDC.
2. The new pliers head with replaceable cutter is much better.
I disagree, I found the older style cuts better.
3. Since both tools has the same bit driver, they are the same.
But he did not consider the difference when use the driver as the entire tool.
To this day, I still consider Signal is a hammer based MT, everything was designed around the hammer, and everything else suffer for it.
Post by: Fortytwo on February 01, 2016, 08:29:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqkynWNzmA4
His logic are:
1. Oh I don't use the XYZ tool on Wave often, so i don't mind the Signal lacks of them.
If that is the case then I can remove MT, Knife and flashlight from my EDC.
2. The new pliers head with replaceable cutter is much better.
I disagree, I found the older style cuts better.
3. Since both tools has the same bit driver, they are the same.
But he did not consider the difference when use the driver as the entire tool.
To this day, I still consider Signal is a hammer based MT, everything was designed around the hammer, and everything else suffer for it.
Without having watched his video it would seem to me like a multitool would always be a trade-off (if we wanted everything we'd carry a tool box). In accordance to that logic it would seem reasonable to say that, "well, I don't use these functions very often/at all" and so I can just as well carry a tool without it. I'm like that with saws, there are few things I could see myself cutting with a multitool saw that I couldn't just use the knife for and so I would probably rather remove the saw than carry it. This reasoning is what makes it viable to have models that aren't the Swisschamp.
Your other points seem right on spot!
Post by: AimlessWanderer on February 01, 2016, 08:37:52 PM
I made it to the point where he added the Micra to make up for his lack of scissors in the Signal, and consequently blew his entire weight arguement out of the window. Stop the vid! :rant:
Before that point, I disagreed heavily with a lot of what he said
After that point, I couldn't give a crap what he said
Post by: Kampfer on February 01, 2016, 08:42:07 PM
I see your point, but in this case of Wave vs Signal, the weight difference and comfort of carry are insignificant between the two, so more tools is better.
Without having watched his video it would seem to me like a multitool would always be a trade-off (if we wanted everything we'd carry a tool box). In accordance to that logic it would seem reasonable to say that, "well, I don't use these functions very often/at all" and so I can just as well carry a tool without it. I'm like that with saws, there are few things I could see myself cutting with a multitool saw that I couldn't just use the knife for and so I would probably rather remove the saw than carry it. This reasoning is what makes it viable to have models that aren't the Swisschamp.
Also, Wave not only has more tools, it has better tools.
Post by: Kampfer on February 01, 2016, 08:43:43 PM
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:I know, right? :td:
I made it to the point where he added the Micra to make up for his lack of scissors in the Signal, and consequently blew his entire weight arguement out of the window. Stop the vid! :rant:
Post by: AimlessWanderer on February 01, 2016, 08:58:45 PM
The other aspect is that this guy I preaching about preparedness - presumably by which he means preparing for unusual events. By the same token, he choses the tool he wants for unusual/unexpected events to have the tools he expects to usually need.I see your point, but in this case of Wave vs Signal, the weight difference and comfort of carry are insignificant between the two, so more tools is better.
Without having watched his video it would seem to me like a multitool would always be a trade-off (if we wanted everything we'd carry a tool box). In accordance to that logic it would seem reasonable to say that, "well, I don't use these functions very often/at all" and so I can just as well carry a tool without it. I'm like that with saws, there are few things I could see myself cutting with a multitool saw that I couldn't just use the knife for and so I would probably rather remove the saw than carry it. This reasoning is what makes it viable to have models that aren't the Swisschamp.
Also, Wave not only has more tools, it has better tools.
I don't think he's quite grasped his own concepts.......
Post by: Kampfer on February 01, 2016, 09:30:55 PM
NAILED ITThe other aspect is that this guy I preaching about preparedness - presumably by which he means preparing for unusual events. By the same token, he choses the tool he wants for unusual/unexpected events to have the tools he expects to usually need.I see your point, but in this case of Wave vs Signal, the weight difference and comfort of carry are insignificant between the two, so more tools is better.
Without having watched his video it would seem to me like a multitool would always be a trade-off (if we wanted everything we'd carry a tool box). In accordance to that logic it would seem reasonable to say that, "well, I don't use these functions very often/at all" and so I can just as well carry a tool without it. I'm like that with saws, there are few things I could see myself cutting with a multitool saw that I couldn't just use the knife for and so I would probably rather remove the saw than carry it. This reasoning is what makes it viable to have models that aren't the Swisschamp.
Also, Wave not only has more tools, it has better tools.
I don't think he's quite grasped his own concepts.......
his conclusion: If you are saving up for that ONE perfect multitool for EDC, get a Signal plus a Micra on you keychain. :facepalm: