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Tool Talk => Swiss Army Knights Forum => Topic started by: twiliter on February 17, 2013, 05:48:34 PM
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Limited-Edition-2010-Damascus-Pioneer-Swiss-Army-Knife-/181079646270?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item2a2930203e
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[/size]Hello all, first post. This knife going for 710 USD at the time of this post.
[/size]Anyone have any extreme price stories?
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You'll find a pile of 'em here: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,35270.0.html
Pretty hefty price tag for a knife, even a Damascus one.
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Thanks, didn't see that thread.
Cheers!
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A member here owns that. He is hoping it goes high.
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Yes, that one is listed by a member here, Reinier. :salute: Cause of it I'm glad it's going that high. :2tu:
Also, welcome to the forum. :waving:
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Thanks!
Makes me wonder what the 2012 Damascus will fetch in 2015?
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Pretty much anything of real Damascus will fetch beaucoup bucks; those Pioneers are fairly rare birds, so even more so for them. Besides SAKs, I'm also into straight razors. Damascus razors fetch a pretty penny as well. I looked at one at an antiques shop once and nearly lost my jaw to the floor when I heard the price. Let's just say I could've bought a good used car for the price of that razor.
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Pretty much anything of real Damascus will fetch beaucoup bucks; those Pioneers are fairly rare birds, so even more so for them. Besides SAKs, I'm also into straight razors. Damascus razors fetch a pretty penny as well. I looked at one at an antiques shop once and nearly lost my jaw to the floor when I heard the price. Let's just say I could've bought a good used car for the price of that razor.
!WOW! Thank god we have our limits.... ;)
I hope it goes even higher for Reinier. At this rate it might reach the 1000$. In my opinion far to much, but it gives hope for the damascus-sellers out there.
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I am happy for Reinier but it never ceases to amaze me at what possesses some people to pay this much. These have often come up in the $400. range but I guess if you want something desperately enough you will buy it instead of making a house payment or buying a new car.
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I'm glad I'm not trying to buy one of these. Congrats to Reinier - AFAIK this is now the new record for most paid for a single SAK on eBay (except of course for a Wenger Giant). The old record holder was a 1973 Soldier at $690.
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http://www.edcsource.com/108688,auction_id,auction_details
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"This baby is not cheap but if you are a hard core collector, come and get it!" >:D
http://www.edcsource.com/109270,auction_id,auction_details
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Wished I was selling it, then could get an EvoWood S 557 and not think twice about it. :D
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http://www.edcsource.com/108688,auction_id,auction_details
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http://www.edcsource.com/VICTORINOX-COPPER-ALOX-ELECTRICIAN--Special-Edition,name,114846,auction_id,auction_details
Purchased in Sep 5 2011 $332.49, in Jan 07 2013 $124.99. Price dropped $207.50, any difference for NIB or no box!!! :o
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>:D
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"This baby is not cheap but if you are a hard core collector, come and get it!" >:D
http://www.edcsource.com/109270,auction_id,auction_details
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eBay item# 140827454233
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&userid=2010janb&iid=-1&de=off&items=25&interval=0&mPg=7&page=4
Purchased in Oct 10 2011 $427.49, in Sep 3 2012 EUR 100.49 = ~$USD 133.90 Value dropped to $293.59 for New in Sleeve or NIB!!! :o
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Still cannot believe how much they actually sold for. :o
I'm so glad I picked them up a long time ago and paid nowhere near that much.
I guess if someone really wants it that bad they will pay over the odds to get it.
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I am happy for Reinier but it never ceases to amaze me at what possesses some people to pay this much. These have often come up in the $400. range but I guess if you want something desperately enough you will buy it instead of making a house payment or buying a new car.
:drink:
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:whistle:
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:whistle:
Lucky smurf.. :D :cheers:
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I'm glad I'm not trying to buy one of these. Congrats to Reinier - AFAIK this is now the new record for most paid for a single SAK on eBay (except of course for a Wenger Giant). The old record holder was a 1973 Soldier at $690.
I think that may actually be this one, also a Damascus Pioneer: http://www.ebay.com/itm/140892548043
Sold by Jan (who is a member here). $800!
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I am happy for Reinier but it never ceases to amaze me at what possesses some people to pay this much. These have often come up in the $400. range but I guess if you want something desperately enough you will buy it instead of making a house payment or buying a new car.
Do you think my landlord would accept one of these in lieu of rent this month? >:D
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:whistle:
Lucky smurf.. :D :cheers:
(http://ebayimages.giftzone.co.uk/smurf-money-jar.jpg)
:cheers:
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Like this a lot! Limited edition brand new Damascus walnut scaled soldier £249.95! http://www.swisstool.co.uk/st/product.php?productid=16970&cat=258&page=1
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Like this a lot! Limited edition brand new Damascus walnut scaled soldier £249.95! http://www.swisstool.co.uk/st/product.php?productid=16970&cat=258&page=1
Heinnie Haynes is cheaper.
http://www.heinnie.com/Victorinox-Knives/Limited-Edition/Damascus-Limited-Edition-2012/p-199-1283-9339/
Whats the story with SwissTool.co.uk, are they still in business? They never reply to my emails.
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Like this a lot! Limited edition brand new Damascus walnut scaled soldier £249.95! http://www.swisstool.co.uk/st/product.php?productid=16970&cat=258&page=1
Heinnie Haynes is cheaper.
http://www.heinnie.com/Victorinox-Knives/Limited-Edition/Damascus-Limited-Edition-2012/p-199-1283-9339/
Whats the story with SwissTool.co.uk, are they still in business? They never reply to my emails.
I'd stay as far away from them as possible if I were you.. They happily took my money about a year ago and never sent me my knives nor answered to any emails, phone calls or letters or refunded my money..
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Wow Reinier, congratulations!
Looking at these prices I'm extremely happy to be a "Wenger only" collector.
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:whistle:
Wow Reinier, congratulations!
Looking at these prices I'm extremely happy to be a "Wenger only" collector.
::) :think:
So, you're happy...you had not invest on Victorinox SAKs? The Pioneer Damascus 2010 new retails for around $225 as limited edition, that's over $500 of profit! Has Wenger SAKs increased or kept their value over the past fews years? I'd be extremely happy if my collection were to increase in value, that makes as a smart investment!
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::) :think:
So, you're happy...you had not invest on Victorinox SAKs? The Pioneer Damascus 2010 new retails for around $225 as limited edition, that's over $500 of profit! Has Wenger SAKs increased or kept their value over the past fews years? I'd be extremely happy if my collection were to increase in value, that makes as a smart investment!
I understand your points.
However, I never considered collecting SAK's an "investment" at all ..... the lower is the price the better for me, as I don't have plans to resell them.
Given also the fact that Wenger is way less popular and that there is much less interest by collectors comparing to Victorinox, I would not consider it a smart investment at all! ;)
My biggest purchase was for the Victorinox Battle Series Set, when I started collecting and before my "Wenger only" addiction.
Should I really need money... I will ask Reinier to sell my set! :D
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::) :think:
So, you're happy...you had not invest on Victorinox SAKs? The Pioneer Damascus 2010 new retails for around $225 as limited edition, that's over $500 of profit! Has Wenger SAKs increased or kept their value over the past fews years? I'd be extremely happy if my collection were to increase in value, that makes as a smart investment!
I understand your points.
However, I never considered collecting SAK's an "investment" at all ..... the lower is the price the better for me, as I don't have plans to resell them.
Given also the fact that Wenger is way less popular and that there is much less interest by collectors comparing to Victorinox, I would not consider it a smart investment at all! ;)
My biggest purchase was for the Victorinox Battle Series Set, when I started collecting and before my "Wenger only" addiction.
Should I really need money... I will ask Reinier to sell my set! :D
I'd not thought of resell or as an investment, but if a SAK increase his value over time by collecting, that's good thing too. Maybe that Pioneer Damascus could have got you couples of Wengers of your wanted list in some trades. Sometimes even if you're rich, you have the money for the stuffs you really want but I guess you can't have everything you want...
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As far as the accumilation in value, that certainly says something for the brand :tu:
As for the going price of that damascus Pioneer, I would not pay that if I were a millionaire, just on principal. I'm perfectly happy with the black scale Pioneer and stainless steel blade :D
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As far as the accumilation in value, that certainly says something for the brand :tu:
As for the going price of that damascus Pioneer, I would not pay that if I were a millionaire, just on principal. I'm perfectly happy with the black scale Pioneer and stainless steel blade :D
This is the thing. 'Damascus' steel isn't real damascus of days of old, which people think it is. That was made with a special type of ore, which is no longer available. Current 'damascus' is pattern welding, where two metals with a different colour are folded repeatedly to get the classical look. But whereas if those metals are specifically chosen for their hardness and flexibility criteria, you would get a superior blade, I am sure for these types of knives, they are chosen for their look, and ease of manufacturing.
Moral of the story: current day damascus looks cool, but its fake. So pay what you would for a decorative item, but don't expect it to function like real damascus.
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+1 Well said.
For performance the regular Vic steel is excellent.
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I would expect the steel in the damascus Vics, which is Damasteel, to be superior to the wootz steel of old in pretty much every aspect. Metallurgy isn't magic. One of the better theories about wootz steel I've read, is an experiment where they discovered they could use the patterns to read the temperature of the blade when forging, thus getting extra control. (Don't remember who did the experiment, guy is an ABS master smith who's written a lot for Blade. He likes to make differentially hardened blades in 52100, often ram's horn in the handle. Anybody remember who I'm thinking of?) Temperature control which is a given in a competent industrial blade production line. So wootz would be a primitive carbon steel competently heat treated. Which would be pretty smurfing great in an era where temperature control boiled down to the experience of the smith.
Damasteel is actually a pretty nice stainless powder steel, PMC-27 and RWL-34. Damasteel is a trademark of the Swedish company which developed the product, not a generic shortcut for damascus pattern forged steel. (Esp. since it's not even forged. :) )
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English version of the text included with 2010 Damascus Pioneer reads:
There are only 2,010 of these special Damascus knives in the whole world. Congratulations, you now own one of them!
Damascus steel - the fine steel of the swordsmith
Damascus steel represents craftsmanship that goes back more than a thousand years. Even in antiquity, a few resourceful swordsmiths knew how to create blades of unusual toughness and hardness from different kinds of steel. The multiple folding and forge welding led to a homogenization of the material, and required a great deal of skill and dedication. Then as now, the crowning highlight in the production of a Damascus blade was the finish. Because only the grinding, polishing and etching reveals the characteristic pattern, and thereby provides a glimpse into the soul of the steel. (The blade of this knife is manufactured from stainless high quality Damascus steel, 60 HRc)
http://swissbiancocanada.com/Newsletter/Articles/SwissBianco-Damascus-Pioneer.htm
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And, that's typical marketroid speak, I agree. Doesn't change the fact the blade is Damasteel. The same page as you refered to confirms that as well.
http://damasteel.com/?page_id=194 has the data sheets, it's obviously martensitic Damasteel we're talking about.
If you want to discuss the matter instead of just rolling your eyes, please do.
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http://www.edcsource.com/111688,auction_id,auction_details
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Purchased in Mar 18 2012 $189.99, in Jan 29 2013 Buy Out for $79.99. Value dropped $110 for both New in Box clearly marked "ASTRONAUT".