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Tool Talk => Swiss Army Knights Forum => Topic started by: CQC-7 on February 07, 2007, 01:22:05 AM
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I was looking around the other day at the new Victorinox rescue tool. Looks pretty neat to me . I am so impressed that I am considering buying it. The sheath looks stright out of a happy meal though. So, my question tonight is what are some of yall's thoughts on the Vic rescue tool. I like it but I'd like to here some other views on it. Like it or hate it let me know.
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http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=158&Itemid=35
http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=145&Itemid=35
I like it myself... I think it is very innovative and well thought out.
Def
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I don't have a Rescue Tool (yet) but I've been thinking strongly about getting one. There have been a few on eBay for about $120, then last week this cat guy started listing them for $64.50
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/VICTORINOX-EMERGENCY-RESCUE-TOOL-SWISS-ARMY-KNIFE_W0QQitemZ110088476949QQihZ001QQcategoryZ48821QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I hope he has some more at that price. I haven't asked.
BTW, I believe SwissBianco has them for around that price also.
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Knifecenter.com has them listed as $59.95. They also have SwissChamps with Rosewood, Staghorn, and Mother of Pearl scales.
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Heehee, yep I'm the Cat Guy that has them. Forget eBay if you buy through my FELINEVET Shop at SOSAKONLINE. I have them for $61.50 shipped. Note: I am currently out of stock but they are on the way to me from Vic.
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Knifecenter.com has them listed as $59.95. They also have SwissChamps with Rosewood, Staghorn, and Mother of Pearl scales.
Shipping from Knifecenter is $6.95 minimum for total of at least $66.90. The FELINEVET Shop also has all the new premium collectible Swiss Champs.
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I'm feeling too lazy right now to go looking for myself; can somebody post a picture of these fancy new Swiss Champs?
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I hope you aren't too lazy to click this link! :P
http://felinevet.sosakonline.com/index.php?keyword=Champ&Search=Search&Itemid=1&option=com_phpshop&page=shop.browse
Def
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I hope you aren't too lazy to click this link! :P
http://felinevet.sosakonline.com/index.php?keyword=Champ&Search=Search&Itemid=1&option=com_phpshop&page=shop.browse
Def
Whew! It took everything I could muster, but I barely managed to do it. ;)
Cool scales! Very pretty.
(Uh, remind me again what blades a Swiss Champ has...?)
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Short list? All of them! :P
Def
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SwissChamp, copied from the 2003 Victorinox Catalogue.
Def
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Felinevet,
My wife likes cats so I think I can muster $61.50 when you get them in. Just let me know. I'll just say it is going to help cats. Good possible excuse! :)
On the topic of the actual tool itself. I am not crazy about serrated blades but I think that the tool is cool enough to order one just cause I can >:D
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If you are so inclined, the serrations come off quite easily:
http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=35
Def
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Felinevet,
My wife likes cats so I think I can muster $61.50 when you get them in. Just let me know. I'll just say it is going to help cats. Good possible excuse! :)
I like that logic! Put me down for one too.
~Bob
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BTW, has Victorinox made the removable components available for sale seperately?
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Not yet, but there is at least one design being considered that I know of.
Def
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I would probaly order the replacments (at least one set) when they are available. However, If I start needing to replace them from cutting or breaking glass so much that they wear out often I need to move to a more peaceful neighborhood or change my hobbies.
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I would probaly order the replacments (at least one set) when they are available. However, If I start needing to replace them from cutting or breaking glass so much that they wear out often I need to move to a more peaceful neighborhood or change my hobbies.
:D :laugh:
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new is that vic make an 2 hand opening version soon, the infos are on its way to me.
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I wonder if they will make a 3-hand opening version someday? ;)
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no but an fixed blade version, thats legal here >:D
what i hear somebody working on an spey bladed sak to cut down the swiss bureocratic population.
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BTW, has Victorinox made the removable components available for sale seperately?
Yes, the saw glass breaker are sold separately also (I haven't stocked them but I may order some).
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After reading the write up on this knife,
http://www.equipped.com/shot_show_2007_knives6.htm
and also after owning a S&W 911 rescue tool it has confirmed my doubts about this being a practical solution for a fire rescue tool in comparison to the other tools/knives that are available. Apparently the glass breaker is replaceable because it is made from the standard steel Vic uses on their knives not a high carbon content. The 911 has a sprung punch made of carbon steel that can be used without using your arm to hammer it down. The 911 blade can be used as a pry bar to remove glass or force doors. The Hinderer also seems to be more practical with a bigger blade and buttons (when using with gloves on) then there are the BK&T Tac Tool the new Zero Tolerance JB1. I know I would rather a rescuer pries the windscreen off than cut it away. How many real travelers have a coat to hand to cover their face while glass chard's are flying about.
Sorry guys but those are my thoughts on this knife, personally I would replace my old 911 if I wanted a knife of this type.
Dave
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I have to disagree with you on that one. I had a S&W 911 rescue tool and I have to say that while the design was sound, I really wouldn't want to have to rely on it in an emergency.
The 1/4 inch pin was a great idea, but the cheap, brittle plastic of the handle makes it kind of a moot point, the blade wobbled a little too much due to the plastic liner lock and lower than average engineering, and worst, the glass break would often pop out of it's housing, which would make it pretty well useless in an actual emergency.
It's possible that I just happened to get a "bad" one, but given the overall quality of the other knives in the S&W series (Thank You Taylor Cutlery, smurfizers of many great American Trademarks) I would have to say that even the best of them are not likely to be much better.
It is a good design, and one that would be fantastic if made by a reputable manufacturer. While the features on it might actually be a better overall concept (I do like the spring loaded glassbreak) I would have to opt for the Victorinox Rescue based on reliability.
Def
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I realize that I may have come across as a little harsh. There was no offense intended to you Dave. Differences of opinion are what makes a forum interesting, and I do appreciate your thoughts and views, as well as those of everyone else here.
However, I do have major issues with S&W knives, and their parent company, who has also seen fit to ruin other good names like Schrade. I understand moving the manufacturing plants to the Orient to save on labor, but there is no reason the quality has to suffer as a result. It is sheer, unadulterated greed that keeps these companies from manufacturing a product that continues the otherwise good name.
I don;t want to get political or anything, but I feel anyone who manufactures a sub standard knife or tool, then puts a top quality name on it, and attempts to direct market them to First Responders should be charged with a criminal offense for every person that is injured or killed as a direct result of shoddy workmanship.
Having done that kind of work myself for many years I can honestly say that a fireman, EMT, police officer or any other person responsable for lives and well being is only as good as the tools they have at hand.
I guess I am coming across as a little harsh again, but hopefully you see it's aimed at shoddy manufacturers, not at any members here, or their opinions.
Def
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Def, the S&W Rescue Tool I found online at the Smith and Wesson site
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=13051&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=30806&training=
says "Made in USA"
Is it possible it is better made now?
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Anything is possible, but the reason many knifemakers are moving their manufacturing to other countries is because US workers are too expensive. As such, most US knifemaking companies charge a premium price on knives and tools.
This one is listing at $50, which makes me think the guys working the assembly line are the type of skilled trades people that were rejected by McDonalds.
Read through this thread on KF for experiences with S&W knives in particular.
http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/704541/post/705744/hl/poop/#705744
The short version is that this member ordered the knife then asked for opinions. Most folks, including me, suggested that his money would be better spent on just about anything else, but that we hoped we would be wrong when it came to his blade.
The knife finally arrived, and the member said that the fit and finish on the knife was excellent, lock up was fantastic, and the feel was beautiful. I graciously said that I was happy that I was wrong, and glad that he liked the knife. A week later, he posted that the darn thing was pretty well falling apart on him. And this was one of the higher end knives made by S&W.
I firmly believe that friends don't let friends by S&W knives.
Def
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That's a great thread with a lot of info on it. I don't want to get into a discussion like that over here just yet. I think we're just thrilled that there are so many good multitool choices right now.
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In reply to the S&W knife issue, I think they are pretty much junk. I bought a S&W folder a few years back. I am not very hard on my tools. By this I mean that I dont use them to pry nails out of a board. Yes, I have wedged them into somthing like a stuck shed door or cabinet but nothing that I thought would break a blade or render a folding knife useless. I managed to break a S&W cutting a heavy duty zip tie. The liner overtraveled and locked the knife open. I have to agree with Def. Crappy materials and workmanship give good companies a bad name. H&K has their folders made by benchmade. You may pay a little more or a lot more but you have a quality tool.
The SAK rescue tool video is enough proof to me that it is a quality tool and I plan to get one soon. At least the blades shut after being used for what it was designed to do.
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I agree with that Tom!
Def
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some designs of s&w are maybe more modern but the quality is less than good and for an serious tool you need that.
if you look at the replacable parts of the rescue tool thats cause they will wear out with use as that task is hard! the people in ibach think an bit and say its better to make em chanchable so that tool will stay in usa for an long time with minor $ for the replacements...go and ask for sutch by s&w (taylor cutlery - china made LOL).
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Well, as Tom pointed out, apparently the 911 tool is made in USA...
News to me, but that's what it says.
Def
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Sorry, my experience with the 911 is the opposite of what you say Def, there have been 2 versions of the 911 one with fine teeth and a deeper blade the other, the present one with the deep serration's, you may have had one of the early design but I know I had no trouble out of the one I had. I got mine just after the design was changed.
Plastic (Glass reinforced Zytel) handles seem to be a design idea that Blackie Collins uses often because my other knife designed by him is the same a plastic handle with a single steel liner (the Meyerco Paradox) I may not be fond of that tool but there is nothing wrong with that handle. Both lock up well with no play because there is an adjustment screw to make sure.
As I have no use for a tool of this type now I was not going to replace the 911 but after I get a few other things out of the way I now think I will get one to just see how things have changed. :-\
Dave
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I am glad yours is no where near as bad as mine was. There was not adjustment screw on mine, and if you weren't careful when using the glass breaker the thing would launch out and you'd spend the next ten minutes trying to find the spring.
Def
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Heehee, yep I'm the Cat Guy that has them. Forget eBay if you buy through my FELINEVET Shop at SOSAKONLINE. I have them for $61.50 shipped. Note: I am currently out of stock but they are on the way to me from Vic.
I have them back in stock. Due to price increase I had to up it to $64.50. If you like the tool, come see me. Thanks.
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Felinevet,
I have given you some business. I have ordered the SAK rescue tool. I am really excited. My wife loves cats so she will appreciate that I ordered from you. :) I hope this tool is all that it is cracked up to be. After all, it is a victorinox so it should be fine.
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Well, My thoughts are confirmed. The SAK rescue tool IS all that it is cracked up to be. This is my first one handed SAK and I can say I like it so much that I will continue to roder more One handed SAKs in the future. It is a great solid tool and all that I thought it would be. Ill be posting on its performance as soon as I get to use it more. Overall I am very pleased! :) :) :)
On another note, Felinevets store is great for those who have not ordered from him. I got my new toy just a few days after ordering and the shipping was free!!! :) If you are looking for a peticular SAK I would shop here. He has everything and if not he can get it.
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Thanks for the feedback and support. I'm glad you like the Rescue. I think it's pretty neat as well, Tim.
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I found out why they are called sta-glo scales. WOW!!! :o :o :o. That Sta-Glo is really bright. Like having uranium in your pocket. Those things could light up a small room. I really like it. Iknow I'll never lose this one.