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Tool Talk => Swiss Army Knights Forum => Topic started by: Spork, Lord of Lime Jello! on May 03, 2008, 06:01:44 PM
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Brunner Feuerschlagmesser (Fire Striker Knife)
Thanks to Roger (Swissbianco), I am the owner of the first two of these custom knives to make it to the US.
These are new production Soldiers with the current “Swiss Made” tang stamp and no year stamp.
The knives were commissioned by Horst Brunner who is the author of the book Feuer und Feuerschlagmesser.
A Mr. Fischlin made the special liner and Striker and his touchmark is the small fish struck onto the side of the Striker. The knives were assembled at the Victorinox factory.
Each Feuerschlagmesser came with a small piece of prepared tinder fungus and a flint.
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Very nice Spork!
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They are very cool! 8)
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I agree, very nice! :)
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I saw that on the other board. That's sweet. I bet it's pretty cool owning something where you know that no one else in the whole country has.
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There stunning mate :drool:
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So what exactly does the big protrusion along one side of the knife do?
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It's a fire striker.
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So like just a bar of magnesium?
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So like just a bar of magnesium?
That's what I'm thinking yeah.
I do think it odd that you would need another knife to make use of it though.
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So like just a bar of magnesium?
That's what I'm thinking yeah.
I do think it odd that you would need another knife to make use of it though.
Yah, that was what puzzles me. Is the magnesium removable perhaps?
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Well SporK does say that it comes with a special liner, but I just assumed that it was just designed in order to hold the striker as well. It doesn't appear to be removable :think:.
SporK, we need more information! :pok:
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I think it's more this type of arrangement
http://www.ydalir.co.uk/crafts/fire.htm
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/pathtoadventure/handbook/survival/survival1.html
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Oh no guys...this is a traditional Flint & Steel Striker used with real flint or chert, not a Ferrocerium or Mischmetal rod.
It is carbon steel like the Flint Strikers in this photo...
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Yay! I was right :)
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Oh okay, so you just bash the carbon steel bar against a piece of flint (like the ones shown in this picture here)
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4660.0;attach=8352;image)
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Thanks for reporting back. Cool idea that. :)
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:cheers:
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Oh okay, so you just bash the carbon steel bar against a piece of flint (like the ones shown in this picture here)
(Not meaning to oversimplify it at all. According to the one link Roadie provided there seems to be a fair bit of technique involved)
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Oh okay, so you just bash the carbon steel bar against a piece of flint (like the ones shown in this picture here)
(Not meaning to oversimplify it at all. According to the one link Roadie provided there seems to be a fair bit of technique involved)
I think you got the basic jist of it! :D
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Oh okay, so you just bash the carbon steel bar against a piece of flint (like the ones shown in this picture here)
Yes. In traditional Flint & Steel the sharp edge of the flint scrapes tiny pieces of steel from the striker which ignites into sparks. The sparks produced are relatively low temperature (yellow) and requires a prepared tinder like Charcloth or Tinder Fungus to catch.
With Ferrocerium rods it is the components of the rod itself that is scraped off and ignites into a high temperature spark (white hot). There is actually no need to use any steel to cast sparks off a Ferro rod...any sharp edge will work, even broken glass.
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Oh okay, so you just bash the carbon steel bar against a piece of flint (like the ones shown in this picture here)
Yes. In traditional Flint & Steel the sharp edge of the flint scrapes tiny pieces of steel from the striker which ignites into sparks. The sparks produced are relatively low temperature (yellow) and requires a prepared tinder like Charcloth or Tinder Fungus to catch.
With Ferrocerium rods it is the components of the rod itself that is scraped off and ignites into a high temperature spark (white hot). There is actually no need to use any steel to cast sparks off a Ferro rod...any sharp edge will work, even broken glass.
Cool, I didn't know that! :)
....I also didn't know there was such a thing as "tinder fungus." I'd accuse you of making it up, but I see there are several auctions on eBay for the stuff. ;)
Tinder fungus. Wow, what will they come up with next? :cheers:
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Tinder Fungus was actually in use for firemaking long before the advent of steel.
It is one of the few materials that will catch the even weaker spark produced by "bashing two rocks together" to make fire (like Marcasite and Flint, Pyrite and Flint).
There was Tinder Fungus found in the kit of Otzi the Iceman.
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Oops, I'm kinda hijacking your thread here Spork....
Does the tinder fungus need to be dried or aged for some period before being useful?
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It does need to be dried and can be used as found or prepared by pounding flat and soaking in a solution of Nitre like a slowmatch.
The Tinder Fungus supplied with the Brunner SAK has been treated and comes from Romania according to the information given to Roger/Swissbianco.
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thanks, according to damon eggert does sutch qulality fungus not grow in usa. its also spl nitride prepared so it catch fire by the littlest spark.
mr brunner is an swiss speSmurfpillst on firemaking knives and has let an run of those made, the detail pics are to find in my swissbianco photobucket, there you see the liner with attatched steel. mr brunner has whrite an book about this matter and as i have this in my study collection there are the latin names and history etc listed
only 2 pcs currently in usa, another is by an ex swiss police friend that has whrite for swiss gun magazin and lives in west canada, countryside.
work on the 2 farmer protos with that firesteel, orange alox with clip and splitring, theyr not for sale but test.
+B
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I can't get over what a fantastic idea that is, once mounted on a Farmer it will be the best bush folder out there (I think the Farmer already holds that mantle anyway) :)
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I can't get over what a fantastic idea that is, once mounted on a Farmer it will be the best bush folder out there (I think the Farmer already holds that mantle anyway) :)
Plus it gives one a perfectly legitimate reason to carry around tinder fungus. :)
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I can't get over what a fantastic idea that is, once mounted on a Farmer it will be the best bush folder out there (I think the Farmer already holds that mantle anyway) :)
Plus it gives one a perfectly legitimate reason to carry around tinder fungus. :)
Now I'm getting old, I have fungus naturally growing on me anyway :D
Anyway here's a video of Ray demonstrating the technique http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaHNWaBmNJU 9 It took me a bit longer :D
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I lust. I have a couple of flint and steel kits. Would love one of those. So how could one get one?
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Oh okay, so you just bash the carbon steel bar against a piece of flint (like the ones shown in this picture here)
(Not meaning to oversimplify it at all. According to the one link Roadie provided there seems to be a fair bit of technique involved)
I've used flint and steel for a while. There is technique but it's not rocket science. You need char cloth. The best way is to hold the char cloth on the steel and strike the flint on it. You get a glowing ember in the char cloth. You then put that into a nest of tinder and blow it to flame. Once you have it down you have fire in 10 or 20 seconds. Some strike the flint on the steel with the char cloth on the ground striking the glowing steel bits on it but the other way is better.
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that is a cool knife
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Oh okay, so you just bash the carbon steel bar against a piece of flint (like the ones shown in this picture here)
Yes. In traditional Flint & Steel the sharp edge of the flint scrapes tiny pieces of steel from the striker which ignites into sparks. The sparks produced are relatively low temperature (yellow) and requires a prepared tinder like Charcloth or Tinder Fungus to catch.
With Ferrocerium rods it is the components of the rod itself that is scraped off and ignites into a high temperature spark (white hot). There is actually no need to use any steel to cast sparks off a Ferro rod...any sharp edge will work, even broken glass.
Cool, I didn't know that! :)
....I also didn't know there was such a thing as "tinder fungus." I'd accuse you of making it up, but I see there are several auctions on eBay for the stuff. ;)
Tinder fungus. Wow, what will they come up with next? :cheers:
There are several materials that have been used. Tinder fungus is one of them. To catch an ember you need this or char cloth. To make char cloth take some old cotton material. Place it in a closed tin, Altoids box will work and put it in a fire. You don't want the material to catch fire but to char black. When done right the material is completely black but won't lose it's material texture. This is what you use to catch the spark and start an ember. You then place it in the center of a tinder nest. Many materials will work for a tinder nest. I have even used toilet paper. There are various natural materials or frayed jute string works for the nest. Once in the nest you blow on it. Hold it above your head while doing this if you don't want to suck smoke and blow on it to catch the ember to flame.
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I lust. I have a couple of flint and steel kits. Would love one of those. So how could one get one?
Contact Swissbianco/Roger. You can't get them directly, he helped me obtain them.
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I lust. I have a couple of flint and steel kits. Would love one of those. So how could one get one?
Contact Swissbianco/Roger. You can't get them directly, he helped me obtain them.
I'd be soooorely tempted, but I'd rather wait till the Farmer version comes out :)
BTW, does it increase the weight significantly mate ???
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It weighs about 92g.
My Pioneer weighs 69g and my Farmer is at 85g.
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It weighs about 92g.
My Pioneer weighs 69g and my Farmer is at 85g.
Wow, thats really not much of a weight penalty :), thanks for getting back to us mate :)
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Brunner Feuerschlagmesser (Fire Striker Knife)
Thanks to Roger (Swissbianco), I am the owner of the first two of these custom knives to make it to the US.
These are new production Soldiers with the current “Swiss Made” tang stamp and no year stamp.
The knives were commissioned by Horst Brunner who is the author of the book Feuer und Feuerschlagmesser.
A Mr. Fischlin made the special liner and Striker and his touchmark is the small fish struck onto the side of the Striker. The knives were assembled at the Victorinox factory.
Each Feuerschlagmesser came with a small piece of prepared tinder fungus and a flint.
Any word on the Farmer version of this yet mate ???
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That would be neat!
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Doh...Necrothread! Now J-sews will be reminded about my fungus. :ahhh
Haven't heard anything...Roger's got a lot of irons in the fire and this might be on the back burner. Be assured that if it does happen you'll be in line after me :pok: :D
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Thanks Dave mate :tu:
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Micky D :ahhh Micky D :ahhh :pok:
Roger is planning to do a limited run of Feuerschlag Farmers...orange anodized scales, pocket clip. There may be a smaller Feuerschlag Lumberjack if there is enough interest...
See the post in the SOSAK.
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Oh, yeah...you're in line behind me :D
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Micky_D :ahhh Micky_D :ahhh :pok:
Roger is planning to do a limited run of Feuerschlag Farmers...orange anodized scales, pocket clip. There may be a smaller Feuerschlag Lumberjack if there is enough interest...
See the post in the SOSAK.
Mike will probably faint when he reads this. :D
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Micky_D :ahhh Micky_D :ahhh :pok:
Roger is planning to do a limited run of Feuerschlag Farmers...orange anodized scales, pocket clip. There may be a smaller Feuerschlag Lumberjack if there is enough interest...
See the post in the SOSAK.
Mike will probably faint when he reads this. :D
I think I might have peed a little myself :P
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Micky_D :ahhh Micky_D :ahhh :pok:
Roger is planning to do a limited run of Feuerschlag Farmers...orange anodized scales, pocket clip. There may be a smaller Feuerschlag Lumberjack if there is enough interest...
See the post in the SOSAK.
Mike will probably faint when he reads this. :D
I think I might have peed a little myself :P
It's official Mike has fainted :drool: