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Tool Talk => Gerber Tools => Topic started by: Gareth on January 10, 2012, 11:03:08 PM
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OK so Gerber comes in for a bit of stick here, but they've got a lot of very good MT's out there IMO. So lets hear from you fans, and see some pics of course. :D
I'll kick it off with two of the mainstays of the Gerber line; the MP600 and MP400.
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/GerberMP400006.jpg)
I also have the Clutch, but I'm not so sure I'm a 'fan' if I'm honest. :-[ It's not a bad tool at all, but Leatherman does it better with the Squirt I'd say.
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/070.jpg)
Gerber also do a good, if basic, torch. The Infinity Ultra.
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/Torches/061.jpg)
So lets hear from some of Gerber's other fans. :cheers:
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You forgot one of Gerber's coolest tools ever (http://www.edcsource.com/auction_details.php?auction_search=1&auction_id=110631&option=basic_search&src_auction_id=&keywords_search=&buyout_price=&reserve_price=&quantity=&enable_swap=&list_in=&results_view=&country=&zip_code=&username=&basic_search=shard)!
I am also a huge fan of the Infinity Ultra- I've beaten one of those for years working at the bar and it's gone through the wash on several occasions, and it still works. Also, while it may not be that bright compared to other lights, the battery in it lasts forever.
The MP600 takes a slot as one of the most iconic multitools of all time, and while I think everyone is entitled to their opinions, anyone who disagrees with that statement is wrong. :P
If I had to choose my favorite variant of the MP600, I'd have to say the Pro Scout:
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/MP600_logo.jpg)
The removable/replaceable saw blade is probably the best on the market- sorry Leatherman fans! :P
Last but not least, while they have had their problems (cough cough Suspension cough) they have innovated some of the best ideas in the industry- the afore mentioned blade exchanger and replaceable carbide cutters for example.
Like Gerber or not, that's your choice, but you do have to respect their innovations.
Def
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The Infinity has become my 'stay-at-work' light, as it resides clipped to my desk tidy. Rather than grabbing a bigger, brighter light from my bag I'll often just slip the Infinity in my pocket. :tu:
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The Infinity has become my 'stay-at-work' light, as it resides clipped to my desk tidy. Rather than grabbing a bigger, brighter light from my bag I'll often just slip the Infinity in my pocket. :tu:
I have to second the Infinity Ultra(-M model); I have one that is in my daily rotation. Wonderful little light; I came home with a box of them from SMKW when they had them on closeout for $10/each; kinda wish I'd picked up more, heh.
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The Infinity has become my 'stay-at-work' light, as it resides clipped to my desk tidy. Rather than grabbing a bigger, brighter light from my bag I'll often just slip the Infinity in my pocket. :tu:
I makes a perfect backup/emergency type light because the batteries last forever. I've often heard that a flashlight is a place to store dead batteries, but if that's the case than mine must be defective!
Def
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Def
Have you had any issues with the saw? I bought several and none will fit.
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i dont carry nor do i own any (big) gerber tools. i find that there just not as usefull as a leahterman tool for me at work. i understand that's my opinion and it down to my work needs.
i would never say i hate gerber. there the tool company that thinks outside the box, there ideas have some drawbacks IMO but are different and clever. i love the idea behind the sliding plier head, its way cool :D
i respect there tools and the people that carry them. if i had the money i would collect them but i dont think i would use them as much as a leatherman.
i do have a cluch though and that's a neat little tool. i do feel that leatherman do a better job with the squirt but it doesn't mean its not good in its own way.
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What Gerber lack in consistency it makes up for in innovation and having the guts to try something different.
Many times they have got things very wrong ... the "dead fly" springs to mind
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx122/50ft-trad/P1010219.jpg)
This got sent on a passaround with Kirk13's mini suspension, and I hope it hasn't left a trail of injuries in it's wake. I'm sure that thing was sponsored by Elastoplast. As for my experience with some of their other offerings, I appreciate how important the multiplier was in the evolutionary cycle, but I can't bring myself to use mine for fear of a profanity overdose and terminally mangled palms. The Flik was ... well ... flikkin hopeless, or at least mine was. Great idea, shame about the excecution ... but every now and again ... they do come up with a real winner.
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx122/50ft-trad/P1010449.jpg)
I know the MP700 doesn't seem to garner much attention round here, but I've found it to be an excellent everyday tool, and it's one of my most carried items. Outside opening tools with scissors, a 3D phillips and indexable cutters ... I'm continually surprised it wasn't more popular and got dropped from the line.
The MP600 is certainly iconic, but needed the help of an ugly bearded chap in a far away land to realise it's full potential :P
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx122/50ft-trad/P1010314.jpg)
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx122/50ft-trad/P1010223.jpg)
:D
Gerber deserves the scepticism for their quality and consistency historically and indeed for some of their designs, but they also deserve recognition for some good gear which has been overshadowed by another company ... who actually accounts for the bulk of the tools I've gotten rid of in the search for something that works as well as the MP700!
I think the reasons for their failures is the same reason they've had some very successful innovations ... they're completely bonkers, and I'd have a pint with them anyday :tu: :D :D
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I think the reasons for their failures is the same reason they've had some very successful innovations ... they're completely bonkers, and I'd have a pint with them anyday
i totally agree. there ideas are crazy and sometimes crazy pays off. leatherman are great but they do play it safe at times.
a perfect example of leatherman playing it safe IMO is the rebar. the supertool300 has done well so they release it smaller.(dont get me wrong, i really want one :D)
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the 600 is a great tool
the 650 is even better
the 800 is the best if you ask me. I have a hard time finding saws that fit but the saw works great. The pliers are nice and the tool load is good.
I also like the diesel
The freehand is okay and would better if not for the tool load
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Count me in. I like the odd ball items better than the run of the mill stuff.
The 650 Evolution and the 500 Recoil are the first two that come to mind for me.
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I'm in. My MP450 is one of my most-used multis. The Octane is a great little tool for what I need, and my BO MP600 is just sweet.
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My first MT was a Gerber BO Blunt nose Multi-Lock. That was stolen. Since the place I got it from no longer carried them I got the new MP600 w/needle nose and bit kit. It was my only MT for almost ten years. It served my well in that time. :D
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My MP600 Bluntnose is still my most carried tool. 8)
these I don't carry
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu305/horsehunter64/100_5964.jpg)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu305/horsehunter64/100_5755.jpg)
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Those are 8) Dennis. :tu: Some more Gerbers.
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Like I said before, you can sign me up. :D
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Album%202/SAM_1672small.jpg)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Album%202/SAM_1670small.jpg)
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A few more Gerbers. :)
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Like I said before, you can sign me up. :D
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Album%202/SAM_1672small.jpg)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Album%202/SAM_1670small.jpg)
WOW, I can't believe how many MT's you have! I have a modest collection and I think my wife mentally tallies it up when I show her my box of goodies, and I get a look. If I had as many as you, I think I'd be killed. I like your tool box tray system. I have a plastic tackle box and its straining under the weight of the MT's. I think I'll invest in a metal toolbox next.
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@Chako, thats an amazing collection you got there mate. whats in the other draws? leathermans? SAKS? or both?
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shif7y, both.
Here is a drawer by drawer look...the latest which dates last September. It is always growing.
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,31422.msg521573.html#msg521573 (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,31422.msg521573.html#msg521573)
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I have not been a huge fan of Gerber in the past, but I have to say I really miss my MP450. I would love to have it back. I am kinda starting to like the Gerber Multiplier design, and have acquired 2 this week with on hopefully coming next week or the week after. I am gonna try to EDC them as much as possible to really get to know them and appreciate them for what they are. I also have a SOG coming, a powerlock without gear covers. I plan to carry that turd at work and see how it holds up. I don't drive many screws at work so I don't see many angry red gear marks in my palm forthcoming.
I got a little nostalgic today, I was dickering with Stressmaster(wayne) about a trade and as an afterthought he added that he had an old Gerber that he was willing to toss me for my wares. Turns out it is the same original non locking gerber that my dad had when I was a kid. he gave it to me for a while, then he bought me a pst around 96 and I never touched a gerber again until last year. I want that gerber back so wayne presented me with an awesome opportunity.
The other Gerber I have gotten this week is a BO MP600 with carbide cutters. It has to take a trip to Gerber because the serrated blade broke off while I was testing the knife and the carbide cutters are both chipped. Other than that it's a steal for the $20 I am paying for it. I really like the phillips head on it so far, and the knife blade is pretty cool, I like the flat edge. Maybe these gerbers aren't all bad!
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Gerber never was bad. They made a few bad tools because that's what the masses wanted- something cheap at Wal Mart. Then they made clones of those bad tools because that's also what the paying public wanted. The good Gerbers never went anywhere, they were just not celebrated as much as the cheaper ones, because a) the cheap ones were everywhere and b) everyone had something to complain about.
Meanwhile, the good tools were doing the hard jobs without fanfare or limelight simply because it needed to be done. So, while a lot of people may condemn Gerber for the cheap tools, Gerber was actually having their cake and eating it too, supplying both end of the market- something I may add that Leatherman is trying to do this year with the Wingman and Sidekick.
Face it, Gerber may have it's drawbacks, but they are no slouch, and are probably responsible for more industry innovations overall than any other company on the market.
Def
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I'd agree, and even though I've had my own issues with Gerber they really are still one to watch. I've had mixed results in terms of design and quality with them, though one thing that's stopped me buying many of their more successful items is my own personal preference for outboard tools. Otherwise I'd have far more of their MP400's and 600's.
Outboard tools is an area they have been very keen to explore, and I've tried three models so far. One was cheap garbage, one was a nice idea that wasn't followed through in QC, and the third was initially disappointing but the replacement was a roaring success for me. I've also had other stuff that's been excellent straight out of the box.
They still keep chucking out new stuff though, new ideas, good ideas - they just need to hang onto everything in R&D a little longer and resolve their consistency issues. Inspection, field tests and defect analysis should be done by them not us >:D I know Gerber will always be chasing innovation and champions of new designs. I also know that if I buy one, sometimes I'll end up with a great tool. I feel like Gerber is going "Here guys, we made a load more - try these" to which I want to say "No, YOU try them, and then sell us the ones that work made to the same standard ".
I do like Gerber and they have a lot to offer, but my feelings today is that some of their stuff is like store bought axes and you have to rummage through a box to get a good one. If they can address that perception, and genuinely get some better consistency, they'll gain a lot more market share I reckon. When I know that when I pick up a Gerber it will be of a consistently good standard of manufacture (designs aside) like I can with other manufacturers, I'll certainly lean more in their direction as their designs are often far more abitious than any others out there
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Gerber never was bad. They made a few bad tools because that's what the masses wanted- something cheap at Wal Mart. Then they made clones of those bad tools because that's also what the paying public wanted. The good Gerbers never went anywhere, they were just not celebrated as much as the cheaper ones, because a) the cheap ones were everywhere and b) everyone had something to complain about.
Meanwhile, the good tools were doing the hard jobs without fanfare or limelight simply because it needed to be done. So, while a lot of people may condemn Gerber for the cheap tools, Gerber was actually having their cake and eating it too, supplying both end of the market- something I may add that Leatherman is trying to do this year with the Wingman and Sidekick.
Face it, Gerber may have it's drawbacks, but they are no slouch, and are probably responsible for more industry innovations overall than any other company on the market.
Def
Very good point about Leatherman. I understand the practice, I just can't stomach the result too well. I don't care for the Wingman and sidekick any more than the crucial. But, if they are making the companies money so they can stay in business and keep making tools I DO like then so be it. I am starting to realize that the good gerbers were always there, and I am just discovering how useful and cool they really are. It's like discovering MT.o all over again! Tons of fun with many many models to buy and look forward to using. Like I said, two new gerbers this week with more coming if I can help it!
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Here's another point worth looking at- everyone craps on the Crucial and rightly so, but the Crucial FAST is actually a good tool. While the ergonomics haven't changed, the assisted opening blade, better materials and longer drivers actually put the FAST version quite far ahead of the original Crucial.
Al- I agree and disagree with your points about quality control. I find that to be accurate for some of the low and mid point tools from Gerber, but I have rarely seen an MP600 or 400 with factory defects. Most of the time when I encounter a broken one it's because it was used for a job above it's abilities, which to me, speaks volumes about the inherent quality and feel that caused someone to think it could handle an extreme job. Now getting into the more involved tools, like the MP700, MP800, Diesel and Flik where they are somewhat more complex, yes, for those I will agree with your point, although I'm not certain the number of bad ones is as high as you are suggesting. I think you have been extremely "lucky" to have gotten as many bad ones as you have, although in your situation I'd probably feel much the same as you do.
Def
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Yeah, I've seldom heard anything bad about the MP's quality - unsuitability of design maybe, but thats personal preference and like I say if it wasn't for my own preferences I'd own a lot more. All my disappointments were indeed on tools which had extra complexity, or where they were trying new concepts. I wasn't a fan of the Solstice for example - but it was bloody well made from what I could tell. My only experience of the MP400's and 600's is a DET which I tweaked a bit, but I got the feeling they'd be good dependable tools for many people
For the benefit of all I'd like to clarify that I've not been trying to "preach" here in any way, just vocalise my experience and share what would make a positive change to my own personal perception. I'll continue to keep trying Gerbers as they do keep pushing the boundaries and trying new concepts, but from my own perspective I would like to see a better success rate in quality. I generally have confidence in their designs, and I want to have the same confidence in manufacture when I try something new from them :salute:
Personally I see the delay in the release of the Balance as a step in the right direction. Something obviously wasn't ready for market - so they didn't let it out. Good on ya Gerber :tu: I'm really looking forward to hearing what you find out on that at the show ;)
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The day anyone craps on someone else's actual hands on experience on this site is the day after I've folded up shop and started a Hello Kitty website.
When it comes to complexities in tools I think Gerber does indeed have some issues- the pawls on the Flik are a good example. They seem like an overly complex solution to a reasonably simple problem no one knew they had. This can lead not only to assembly issues but can even go as far back as component manufacturing issues since I believe Gerber contracts these out. If they were made in house by people who were on the process from start to finish I think we'd see a marked difference in not only the simplicity but also the reliability of these tools.
That makes the frustrating sometimes, but not bad- I love my Flik, despite it occasionally locking up on me.
Def
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The day anyone craps on someone else's actual hands on experience on this site is the day after I've folded up shop and started a Hello Kitty website.
:D
The pawls seem such a ridiculously easy issue to fix too. I'm sure making them from a one piece construction rather than two stacked pieces would greatly improve it - and make assembly easier and quicker to boot. Aside from that, I actually like the fact they added a feature to widen the grip slightly - when it works it does make the tool better to use in my mind.
An easier way altogether may have been to make the channels along which the plier heads slide to be slightly out of parallel. In other words theres room between the handles for the pliers when retracted, but not in the deployed position. As such when the mass of the heads moves towards deployment, the handles would be forced apart. This would mean that you would have to only hold one handle during the "flick" or the heads would not move - but in order to quickly deploy the Flik heads (slide forward and engage pawls in one move) you have to do the same thing anyway. The Spidie-drop style move by depressing the buttons and flicking the tool down away from the pliers would work too with less chance of letting go of the tool and smacking Granny in the face with it. :D :D There are a couple of minor tweaks you would need to do for this to work smoothly (slightly crown radius the seating inside the channel to compensate for changes in presentation angle on the two positions for one), but still simpler than the big bag of bits I sent to Metropolicity :D :D
... but at least they tried >:D
... and I think I'm still the Forum's biggest fan of the MP700 :D
... and as soon as a way of replacing the Octane blade with scissors is figured out I'm having one of those too :rofl:
... put me down as a "tormented" fan :P
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Here's another point worth looking at- everyone craps on the Crucial and rightly so, but the Crucial FAST is actually a good tool. While the ergonomics haven't changed, the assisted opening blade, better materials and longer drivers actually put the FAST version quite far ahead of the original Crucial.
Al- I agree and disagree with your points about quality control. I find that to be accurate for some of the low and mid point tools from Gerber, but I have rarely seen an MP600 or 400 with factory defects. Most of the time when I encounter a broken one it's because it was used for a job above it's abilities, which to me, speaks volumes about the inherent quality and feel that caused someone to think it could handle an extreme job. Now getting into the more involved tools, like the MP700, MP800, Diesel and Flik where they are somewhat more complex, yes, for those I will agree with your point, although I'm not certain the number of bad ones is as high as you are suggesting. I think you have been extremely "lucky" to have gotten as many bad ones as you have, although in your situation I'd probably feel much the same as you do.
Def
I have never handled a crucial FAST, but I'd like to. The only crucial I've touched is a base model at cabelas and I didn't even care to buy it even for fun. But like I said, the MP's I've handled lately have really impressed me.
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I've posted pics of my Gerbers in other threads, but here's the latest bunch of keychain tools.. :)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-t-RW3sG8gA4/TxBt2ouNJ4I/AAAAAAAAHdU/5fTNl5eLl9k/s640/DSC08863.JPG)
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Ok you all finally won me over and I ordered an MP600... my first gerber. I kept going back and forth and couldn't decide, so then I figured I should just buy it to remove the decision from my mind! lol. Might as well have at least one of each type of MT for the collection eh?
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290636119950 (http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290636119950)
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Much less stressful that way! :D
Def
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I still have difficulty abiding by the whole Crucial handle geometry. It just doesn't click with my paws. That goes for the F.A.S.T as well.
With that said, I have handled quite a few Gerbers, and I agree with Def.
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but I have to say I really miss my MP450. I would love to have it back.
Oh, so now you want it back, eh? Make me an offer, but it'll cost ya. >:D :D I'll tell you, that MP450 which I got from Merc in a trade a while back has been the champ of my EDC tools. I have other LMs and Gerbers, but the MP450 has become my go-to. Is it perfect? Hell no. But backed up with a SAK like my Farmer or my Super Tinker, it's a workhorse of a tool, not too big, but not a worthless tiny thing either. The build quality is great, and it's a solid tool (rattly pliers notwithstanding-that's part of its charm). After Hurricane Irene, I was involved with clean up in the town I work in, which was badly hit. Flood waters and debris didn't stop it one bit. The Octane I've found to be a great light-duty tool as well. Like Grant, my only issue with it is the lack of locking notches in the closed position. I'll get around to grinding those in someday, but I'm lazy ::) . My MP600 hasn't seen much action, might have to take it to work tomorrow.....that or wait for my new Diesel to arrive in a week or so.
Ok you all finally won me over and I ordered an MP600... my first gerber. I kept going back and forth and couldn't decide, so then I figured I should just buy it to remove the decision from my mind! lol. Might as well have at least one of each type of MT for the collection eh?
Only one? :pok: With that attitude how will your toolbox one day look like Chakos ? :) Congrats on the new toy!
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With that said, I have handled quite a few Gerbers, and I agree with Def.
You do realize that a statement like that may cause people to question your sanity, right?
Def
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but I have to say I really miss my MP450. I would love to have it back.
Oh, so now you want it back, eh? Make me an offer, but it'll cost ya. >:D :D I'll tell you, that MP450 which I got from Merc in a trade a while back has been the champ of my EDC tools. I have other LMs and Gerbers, but the MP450 has become my go-to. Is it perfect? Hell no. But backed up with a SAK like my Farmer or my Super Tinker, it's a workhorse of a tool, not too big, but not a worthless tiny thing either. The build quality is great, and it's a solid tool (rattly pliers notwithstanding-that's part of its charm). After Hurricane Irene, I was involved with clean up in the town I work in, which was badly hit. Flood waters and debris didn't stop it one bit. The Octane I've found to be a great light-duty tool as well. Like Grant, my only issue with it is the lack of locking notches in the closed position. I'll get around to grinding those in someday, but I'm lazy ::) . My MP600 hasn't seen much action, might have to take it to work tomorrow.....that or wait for my new Diesel to arrive in a week or so.
You better be careful tom, I might take you up on that!
Glad it's doing you good. Would you perhaps be interested in trading that MP600 though?
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Won't be the first time I was in a situation without a paddle Def, and I strongly suspect nor will it be the last. :D
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I'm a big fan of the MP400 . Pictured here is the MP450 ( with file )
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/ebbingtide/f105ecd4.jpg)
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With that said, I have handled quite a few Gerbers, and I agree with Def.
You do realize that a statement like that may cause people to question your sanity, right?
Def
I have posted a few times in this thread already, I think gerber makes some very good tools. I am not sure I think they are the most innovative though, they introduce a lot of things but I am not sure they are all inovative :D I disagreed with Def :ahhh :ahhh Thanks Def! Just kidding but in all seriousness I think they are as innovative as leatherman.
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(http://i41.tinypic.com/307yf5d.jpg)
I dunno; each of those boxes holds a Gerber Infinity Ultra-M with white LED (wish I had one or two red LED models); in addition to the one resting on top, I have two regular Infinity Ultras, too. My only Gerber at the moment is the FLiK, though I don't know if I'll keep it or not at the moment.
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Good reading and pics, I really like the few Gerbers I've got, the MP600 BN is the most edc'd mt I have, always seem to come back to it and pair it up with a Gerber Shortcut, I do like sliding pliers :tu:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7168/6692218607_004fa107c5_z.jpg)
Very happy with this selection but yes I want more :ahhh
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7020/6692219609_6ee5b443c0_z.jpg)
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Good lineup BW... :multi:
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Good lineup BW... :multi:
Very nice indeed. :tu:
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Thanks chaps :tu: notice the MPT plier tip, very slight stepped, not quite as bad as it may look.
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Thanks chaps :tu: notice the MPT plier tip, very slight stepped, not quite as bad as it may look.
The MPT is longer than I imagined. I'd got it in my head if would only be a little feller :think:
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Thanks chaps :tu: notice the MPT plier tip, very slight stepped, not quite as bad as it may look.
The MPT is longer than I imagined. I'd got it in my head if would only be a little feller :think:
Compared here with a PSTII, its a nice basic mt but I think as Gareth said about other mt's, the handles are two wide to be comfortable, they could do with coming in by about 1/4", maybe a bit more :tu:
Its about 1/2" longer than a PSTII when closed.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7015/6716578685_9d5042dd2c_z.jpg)
And 3/4" longer when open.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7146/6716579377_b528ac25e0_z.jpg)
About the same weight, handles open about twice that of the PSTII.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6716580367_ef86110f22_z.jpg)
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I think the new OHT goes here because obviously Leatherman is a Big Fan of Gerber :D
(http://www.ondutygear.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/leatherman-oht.jpg)
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
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Thanks chaps :tu: notice the MPT plier tip, very slight stepped, not quite as bad as it may look.
The MPT is longer than I imagined. I'd got it in my head if would only be a little feller :think:
Compared here with a PSTII, its a nice basic mt but I think as Gareth said about other mt's, the handles are two wide to be comfortable, they could do with coming in by about 1/4", maybe a bit more :tu:
Its about 1/2" longer than a PSTII when closed.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7015/6716578685_9d5042dd2c_z.jpg)
And 3/4" longer when open.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7146/6716579377_b528ac25e0_z.jpg)
About the same weight, handles open about twice that of the PSTII.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6716580367_ef86110f22_z.jpg)
Cheers for that mate :tu: That might even by why I thought they were smaller :think:
I think the new OHT goes here because obviously Leatherman is a Big Fan of Gerber :D
(http://www.ondutygear.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/leatherman-oht.jpg)
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
... and sarcasm is the lowest form of wit ... :P :pok: :pok: :D
(even if it is funny :D :D :D )
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Indeed ! :rofl:
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I think the new OHT goes here because obviously Leatherman is a Big Fan of Gerber :D
(http://www.ondutygear.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/leatherman-oht.jpg)
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
:D :D
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A Pair of Pocket Survival Tools 8)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu305/horsehunter64/efddbcfe.jpg)
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The only way to make the MPT look good is to put it in drag. :rofl:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Album%202/IMG_0064small.jpg)
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Is that OHT for real? It looks intriguing.
I just got an old MP from Stressmaster5000, not sure what to call it but I had one just like it when I was a kid. Here is a pic:
EDIT: Just saw the photos above, this looks like the bluntnosed version. It's in awesome condition too, the only tool that shows any use is the phillips, and its in good shape too!
(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s461/seanton35/714bf130.jpg?t=1326848363)
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Re-re-repost, but these are still my favorite Gerbers.. 8) 8)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XUEOEGG-Zlc/TU3QYM7lYLI/AAAAAAAAGhk/WcL8zoq52OU/s640/DSC07309.JPG)
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I really do need to track down some Multi-Pliers at some point. :drool:
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I really do need to track down some Multi-Pliers at some point. :drool:
Well, if you do, go for the Blunty, my favourite of the three :D there's a real charm about these older Gerber's :tu:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7001/6675861987_531c11ec2d_z.jpg)
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The MultiPliers are AWLsome... ;)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-T11YN2f6hZg/TU3Qjzv2XhI/AAAAAAAAGhw/ArC-zr-HJzI/s640/DSC07312.JPG)
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Those 1st Gen. MP`s really have a serious awl. :tu: :tu:
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Reposted photo of three stablemates:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/Gen5needlenoseGerbers.jpg)
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Bob that`s the first BO of the NN MP I`ve seen. Nice group. :tu: :)
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Hey Bob, someone hasn't bothered to take that nasty sticker off the SHOT one. ::) :D
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Hey Bob, someone hasn't bothered to take that nasty sticker off the SHOT one. ::) :D
It`s been 16 years already. What`s the hold up? :pok: :D :D
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Hey Bob, someone hasn't bothered to take that nasty sticker off the SHOT one. ::) :D
It`s been 16 years already. What`s the hold up? :pok: :D :D
It's on my to-do list ::) :D
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Hey Bob, someone hasn't bothered to take that nasty sticker off the SHOT one. ::) :D
It`s been 16 years already. What`s the hold up? :pok: :D :D
It's on my to-do list ::) :D
You know Bob some of those old stickers just don`t want to come off. :D :D
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I hear you David :salute: Not sure what type of adhesive they used back then, but it was wicked! :o :D :D
Nice old blunt nose by the way. That was from the last series they did before switching to the Multi-Lock aka MP600 :salute:
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There's just something classic about the old sliding head plier tools. :drool:
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Well I finally got my hands on an Octane the other day and have been putting it through it's paces. My thoughts are....mixed. :-\
First, the good:
#This is my first MT that I'm actually happy to carry pocket carry with a clip, it's slim enough not to feel bulky in there.
#One of the first combo edges that I like, the serrated section is small and quite aggressive but there is plenty of plain edge to work with.
Next, the not so good.
#This has to be the grittiest tool I've ever pulled out of a package, it feels like it was assembled on a beach. A bit of work with some oil on all the moving parts and it's fine, but it's not something I feel I should have needed to do.
#The Phillips was just awful, the angle of the flanges on the head were so obtuse that it just didn't fit in any screws (i.e it just wasn't 'pointy' enough). I'm confident that this was a factory error with my particular tool and not a design defect, I also managed to get it into working order with a diamond stone, but again there's no reason I should have had to do this myself. The small screwdriver was also so heavily ground that it was an awl rather than a 'driver, and the large 'driver was too thick to fit in anything reasonable. All sorted now, but problems with all three screwdrivers? :(
Hopefully this has been a Friday afternoon 'special' and isn't a good example, certainly most of the reading I've done about it has been more positive about the screwdrivers than I have been.
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/012-1.jpg)
Now that it's working I'm OK with it, but the work I had to do has possibly coloured my opinion into something more negative than it really deserves.
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Nice to know it's not just me that knows how to pick a duff 'un :pok: :pok: :P
I should have one too in a few weeks so fingrs crossed mine will be a little more refined ;)
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Odd, I haven't had any of those problems with mine. The screwdrivers were all fine when I used them and there wasn't any "gritty" feel to it, although I have had that problem with other Gerber tools in the past. Maybe Gerber needs to hire a new janitor?
Now that the problems have been solved I'm interested in hearing about your experiences with it.
Def
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That sucks, Gareth! The Octane is one of my favorite tools, it's been nothing but a positive experience using it. Hope you have better luck now that you've straightened it out a bit!
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I have 5 Gerbers in my collection and I do like them although I must admit they are never my first choice tools to use. In order of date of purchase; Black Oxide Flik, Vise and Splice (twin pack), Multiplier, Bear Grylls Ultimate MT.
(http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af60/colinoutdoors/Gerbers.jpg)
The Flik has seen the most use as I do like the outside tools and especially the scissors, perhaps my favourite pair on any MT along with the SwissTool's. I don't get on too well with the BG. I find it excessively bulky for the size of the tools and it aint too comfy either.
(http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af60/colinoutdoors/Gerber2.jpg)
The Vise lives in a survival tin as part of a survival kit. I always have my PS4 on me but when out the in hills or woods its nice to know I have another set of mini pliers in my survival kit.
(http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af60/colinoutdoors/Gerber3.jpg)
The Splice lives in a first aid kit. Scissors are an important part of any FAK and having a pair with additional tools is a bonus. The Splice's scissors are very good and the spring is strong.
(http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af60/colinoutdoors/Gerber5.jpg)
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that's a nice little collection Colin. :tu:
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An interesting piece of info that we always suspected about the BG Suspension/Ultimate MT:
It seems that it was not one of Bear's choices, but one thrown in as it was the easiest one to modify to fit in the BG lineup in the short amount of time they had to get the series ready.
Def
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Nice to have that confirmed. :) I wonder if it'll get dropped now that he's got his name on the modified Strata?
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No idea, but I imagine so. Gerber is well aware of the flaws in the Suspension and its clones, but it was hard to drop them when big box customers kept throwing cash at them and demanding more.
Def
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that's a nice little collection Colin. :tu:
Cheers Gareth :cheers:. A couple more Gerber's I would like to add in the future would possibly be the Grappler and Dime.
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I've got Dimes on the way and been intrigued by the grappler too - but that will have to wait. I really liked the Flik's scissors too, but wish they'd shrunk the plier head a bit to allow for better/longer drivers. The locking pawls killed it for me though. Mine didn't work properly and it put me off the model altogether ... and the Freehand.
I have a Octane on the way, and really looking forward to that. I've also found myself looking at the BG Strata too :ahhh :ahhh but I can't even consider that unless I start unloading other stuff first. I'm hoping that's just a passing whim :-\
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Well I got a Multi-Plier in from 50ft this morning and I got so say I love it. :tu: Sadly I got this one in for a friend and have to pass it on. :-\ In fact I'd be tempted to say this one got "lost in the post" if I didn't know this meant a lot to him. :angel: ;) His got stolen a good few years ago and he's never found anything he liked more so is over the moon that this is coming to him. :)
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/Multi-plier002.jpg)
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/Multi-plier003.jpg)
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/Multi-plier007.jpg)
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/Multi-plier009.jpg)
Even with just playing with it for half a day I can easily see how this tool earned to reputation as a palm pincher. :o The build quality is excellent though and I really like the blunt nose pliers so I'm definitely going to keep an eye open for one for myself. :)
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I must admit it took quite a while for me to decide to sell it mate. It's rugged and well built, good tool choices, an awl that screams "step aside I'm coming through", a nicely done finish that's just starting to wear itself in, a proper plain edged blade and serrated blade - no combo nonsense .... but when those handles get you it bloody HURTS!!! :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :rofl:
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(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/Multi-plier002.jpg)
Dang, how on earth did I miss that was for sale Al..? :ahhh
Read my lips: Do-not-let-it-go-Gareth.! :pok: :pok:
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Nice! :tu: That is an early model you have Gareth, with all button-head screws, and the big pivot nut for the pliers. :) And am I correct in seeing the PATENT PENDING stamping on the blade backspring?
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Nice! :tu: That is an early model you have Gareth, with all button-head screws, and the big pivot nut for the pliers. :) And am I correct in seeing the PATENT PENDING stamping on the blade backspring?
yes indeed. :tu:
Dang, how on earth did I miss that was for sale Al..? :ahhh
Read my lips: Do-not-let-it-go-Gareth.! :pok: :pok:
Sorry mate, but it's already promised to another. Besides, if I kept it it would only end up as a user anyway. :D
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Nice! :tu: That is an early model you have Gareth, with all button-head screws, and the big pivot nut for the pliers. :) And am I correct in seeing the PATENT PENDING stamping on the blade backspring?
yes indeed. :tu:
Dang, how on earth did I miss that was for sale Al..? :ahhh
Read my lips: Do-not-let-it-go-Gareth.! :pok: :pok:
Sorry mate, but it's already promised to another. Besides, if I kept it it would only end up as a user anyway. :D
You're a better man than me Gareth.. ;) >:D
I just really have a thing for those old Gerbers, if you didn't know.. :D :D
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Nice! :tu: That is an early model you have Gareth, with all button-head screws, and the big pivot nut for the pliers. :) And am I correct in seeing the PATENT PENDING stamping on the blade backspring?
yes indeed. :tu:
Dang, how on earth did I miss that was for sale Al..? :ahhh
Read my lips: Do-not-let-it-go-Gareth.! :pok: :pok:
Sorry mate, but it's already promised to another. Besides, if I kept it it would only end up as a user anyway. :D
It was certainly born to be a user that one mate - a user for someone with a high pain threshold :rofl:
Sorry Allan, I have a nasty habit of liberating tools from captivity to let them have a healthy active life :P besides, it never made it to the "listing" stage. The way you and Bob were talking I almost wished I'd kept ... nah who am I kidding ... it HURT! >:D :D :D :D
EDIT: Forgot to add, I've replaced it this end with a MPT from Badwolf, which I'm very happy with :tu:
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I like the MPT- it's kind of the gangly, awkward little brother of the PST forced to live in it's shadow. For some reason I think I associate with it better! :whistle:
Def
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Reckon that`s a nice one Gareth. Your friend should really like it. :tu: Here is how it might have looked if it originally came in a clam package. :)
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Cheers for that David. :cheers:
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Well I finally got my hands on an Octane the other day and have been putting it through it's paces. My thoughts are....mixed. :-\
First, the good:
#This is my first MT that I'm actually happy to carry pocket carry with a clip, it's slim enough not to feel bulky in there.
#One of the first combo edges that I like, the serrated section is small and quite aggressive but there is plenty of plain edge to work with.
Next, the not so good.
#This has to be the grittiest tool I've ever pulled out of a package, it feels like it was assembled on a beach. A bit of work with some oil on all the moving parts and it's fine, but it's not something I feel I should have needed to do.
#The Phillips was just awful, the angle of the flanges on the head were so obtuse that it just didn't fit in any screws (i.e it just wasn't 'pointy' enough). I'm confident that this was a factory error with my particular tool and not a design defect, I also managed to get it into working order with a diamond stone, but again there's no reason I should have had to do this myself. The small screwdriver was also so heavily ground that it was an awl rather than a 'driver, and the large 'driver was too thick to fit in anything reasonable. All sorted now, but problems with all three screwdrivers? :(
Hopefully this has been a Friday afternoon 'special' and isn't a good example, certainly most of the reading I've done about it has been more positive about the screwdrivers than I have been.
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/012-1.jpg)
Now that it's working I'm OK with it, but the work I had to do has possibly coloured my opinion into something more negative than it really deserves.
My Octane landed today, and it's pretty much as yours Gareth. It's going to need a little refining but I think this will be a winner when it's done. I also agree with your thoughts on the CE blade
I also (because it's spoken about quite a bit on here) paid attention to the "premature deployment" issue a few folks have had. On mine at least the pliers seem happy to reside in the body of the tool, and a good flick is needed for them to appear, but a couple of times I have noticed the action of drawing the tool from the pocket has deployed them, as if the toggles caught on the seam of my pocket rather than the plier heads sliding out in my pocket itself
The pliers themselves are a little stiff too, but I'm sure they'll free up a bit after some use. Now it's time to ponder the scissors issue though :think: :think: :think:
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I've had some problems with 'premature deployment" :-[ (oo-errrr....) but it doesn't happen all the time. :think: Certainly I've caught it on my pocket as you describe and I've no issue with that, but I've definitely had it work it's way nearly open when it my pocket.
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After some testing I can now say the Octane's bottle opener is brilliant!!! Almost worth buying the tool for on it's own. Oh, hang on ... I did :P
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Those early Gerbers are very cool & you do not see many BO versions 8) 8) 8).
My Octane is a shocker for deploying the pliers when using the pocket clip & having the whole thing open in my pocket ??? ??? , I got around it by using a releasable cable tie around the handles , I LOVE reusable cable ties , bloody handy. My only other gripe with my Octane was the linner lock does seem a little springy when the blade is locked :think: :think: :think:
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I love the bottle opener on the Octane, and I'm surprised that design hasn't been incorporated into more models. It allows the design to save space inside that could be used to house another tool. I like the fact that it takes no extra space and doesn't get in the way, plus it's always accessible.
Def
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The bottle opener is indeed excellent. :tu: I have to say that, despite all bad press, my Octane actually has a very tight lock-up. OK, it's not exactly a Chris Reeve frame lock, but it locks nicely in place with only the tiniest bit of lateral play. :)
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Just got in my MP450. I have to say it's generally very nice though the tools are all quite a bit tighter than the one's on my (well used) MP400. Much nicer than the gritty pivots that I got on my Octane and just a tiny drop of oil will see them right I think. :cheers:
Stealing one of Dunc's pics for a second; my older MP400 has a blade shaped like the one on the right, the newer MP450 has a blade shaped like the one on the left.(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/ebbingtide/PICT0333.jpg)
Gotta say my first impressions are that I like the older shape more, but time will tell if I'm being unfair.
Oddly, though the only difference between the 450 and 400 is that one has a file and the other scissors, the components are in really quite a different order. :think: I'd try and explain but I think I'll take some shots later and just show you, it'll be a lot clearing in the long run. :D
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Yeah, I was a bit confused by the MP450 as well Gareth. Its a great tool and all, but there's not enough differences between it and a 400 to justify its own "450" label IMO.
They should have just called it an MP400B or MP400.1 or something like that.
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Yeah, I was a bit confused by the MP450 as well Gareth. Its a great tool and all, but there's not enough differences between it and a 400 to justify its own "450" label IMO.
They should have just called it an MP400B or MP400.1 or something like that.
Exactly. Just think how many variations are called MP600, and yet change one tool on a MP400 and it gets a whole new name. ???
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Yeah, I was a bit confused by the MP450 as well Gareth. Its a great tool and all, but there's not enough differences between it and a 400 to justify its own "450" label IMO.
They should have just called it an MP400B or MP400.1 or something like that.
Exactly. Just think how many variations are called MP600, and yet change one tool on a MP400 and it gets a whole new name. ???
I've been thinking the same thing. Odd that the shared tools between the 400 and 450 are in a different order, I wonder why? :think: I don't have a 400 at the moment, just a 450, and I do love it. I'd have to say it's my most carried tool. If I don't have a plier tool on me though, an MP600 usually rides in my bag. Just got this one yesterday from Captain Spaulding:
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/MP600bn.jpg)
It's kinda stiff, I doubt that it's been used at all actually. Beautiful shape, I gotta play with it a bit and loosen it up. I like the blunt nose pliers as well, the plier head seems much more massive than the needle nose.
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I really like the 450 and have even been using it at work. Like the the rest of you I can understand the change to 450. Seems like 400F might have been better. Has the 450 been disco`d?
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I like the wharnie blade on the newer models. Very useful and easy to sharpen.
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I always liked a clip or drop point more than a wharnie. But have to admit I dont mind it on an MT as it is not my primary blade.
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I always liked a clip or drop point more than a wharnie. But have to admit I dont mind it on an MT as it is not my primary blade.
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That is exactly why I like it on the MP600. My MT blade is almost always my backup blade because I always have a SAK on me as well.
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I do not know if I am a Gerber Fan, but having received my MP600 today I decided to post some pictures. Seems unused to me.
It came with a nice leather sheath and the price was too low for me to resist...
I also have the dime :( and the Steady :).
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Good Gerber there dks. Reckon the blunt nose MP600 is one of my most favorite heavy duty MT`s.
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Really like the look of that leather sheath as well mate. :tu:
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Thanks to both! :tu:
I was dissapointed the seller did not have a Gerber branded sheath but this one that came with it fits it like a glove.. probably worth more than the MP600.. :P
The Gerber is rattly but feels solid; more than the dime :D
The only weird thing is getting the tools out; they are on the inside and you can not get them out easily by turning the handles around like you would do with e.g a LM St300 (from which they borrowed the cutters too.. :rofl:) since the handles are fixed in that position.
You feel like there is not enough space to get them out.
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Thanks to both! :tu:
I was dissapointed the seller did not have a Gerber branded sheath but this one that came with it fits it like a glove.. probably worth more than the MP600.. :P
The Gerber is rattly but feels solid; more than the dime :D
The only weird thing is getting the tools out; they are on the inside and you can not get them out easily by turning the handles around like you would do with e.g a LM St300 (from which they borrowed the cutters too.. :rofl:) since the handles are fixed in that position.
You feel like there is not enough space to get them out.
::) Next Gerber will be copying LM's blade exchanger and sliding head design. ;)
As to the tools, you'll get used to it if you give it a chance. Totally second nature to me now I've carried a MP400/600 a lot.
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Nice one, dks. :tu: I was carrying my blunt nosed MP600 today. I got it the same way, "used", which maybe meant the pliers were flicked open once or twice. The sheath you got is nicer than mine though... :(
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Here`s a blunt nose Pro Scout I found not to long ago. Never had seen one with blunt nose before.
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These BO Multi-Plier versions filled in some gaps. The one on the left is a fourth version with a second version plier head. :think:
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Gerber MP600 Fisherman. Its kinda odd but I like it. I`m thinking since it has an awl and diamond file one might change the plier head and have a better working MT. :D
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Cheers for sharing David. :cheers: Funnily I was just thinking about getting a Pro Scout yesterday, but couldn't see any particularly great deals ATM. :-\ I'm wondering if you've used the blade exchanger much and if you rate it?
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Gareth I packed around my old Pro Scout for years and never really used the blade exchanger much. But I hope to give it a better work out in the future.
Here is a shot of a Gerber TrailRider
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Gareth I packed around my old Pro Scout for years and never really used the blade exchanger much. But I hope to give it a better work out in the future.
Here is a shot of a Gerber TrailRider
David is that some kind of hoof pick :think: :think: ??? :think: :think: , how does that fold back into the handle :think: :think:. Does it have any other odd tools in it mate :think:
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Here is a pic of it hoof pick folded up into the handle. The Trailrider also has an awl and scissors.
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Congrats on scoring the Trailrider version David! :tu: Those don't come along very often these days. Like Mat wonders though, too bad they didn't have some other neat horse hoof related tools on them, like a stud wrench perhaps....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/HorseToolsHT1-1.jpg)
...or a hoof knife.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/hoofknife.jpg)
With such a limited niche market, I suspect they didn't make many of them. :think:
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34456.0;attach=33871;image)
These BO Multi-Plier versions filled in some gaps. The one on the left is a fourth version with a second version plier head. :think:
More nice ones! :cheers: Yes, I've seen a few where they have mixed components from one generation with another. Makes it dang difficult to keep them all sorted properly :P
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Bob I remember back in the day A.G.Russell use to carry the Trailrider. I kept thinking I needed to get one. But since I hadnt saddled a horse since 95 and still havent I never got around to getting one till all these many years later. I still have no need for it but I sure do like having one in the collection. :D
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Bob I remember back in the day A.G.Russell use to carry the Trailrider. I kept thinking I needed to get one. But since I hadnt saddled a horse since 95 and still havent I never got around to getting one till all these many years later. I still have no need for it but I sure do like having one in the collection. :D
Agreed! :D
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Here`s a blunt nose Pro Scout I found not to long ago. Never had seen one with blunt nose before.
Well I see your MP600 Pro Scout Blunt Nose and raise you a MP600 Pro Scout Blunt Nose with replaceable cutters. (http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs11/i/2006/204/6/9/_poker__commission_by_darkmoon3636.gif)
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(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/MP600001.jpg)
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/MP600007.jpg)
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/MP600011.jpg)
Seriously though, I still love it that Gerber will do so many little changes/options on one tool. :tu: Now, if only they still did the "build your own" service. :dd:
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Those pliers.. :o :o Looks like a real workhorse Gareth.. 8) :tu:
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Those pliers.. :o :o Looks like a real workhorse Gareth.. 8) :tu:
They are quite :o aren't they? :D They'll get to do some work tomorrow I hope. 8)
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Nice pics Gareth! :tu: Yeah, those are quite the set of chompers you've got there. :)
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Gerber is the only major manufacturer with a blunt nose tool, I love it and wish the others would join
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Gareth that is a great good looking Pro Scout buddy. :tu: Really like those replaceable cutters. :)
Gerber is the only major manufacturer with a blunt nose tool, I love it and wish the others would join
I agree Scrappy!
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I'd love to see more blunt nosed tools...
Def
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Here`s a blunt nose Pro Scout I found not to long ago. Never had seen one with blunt nose before.
Well I see your MP600 Pro Scout Blunt Nose and raise you a MP600 Pro Scout Blunt Nose with replaceable cutters. (http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs11/i/2006/204/6/9/_poker__commission_by_darkmoon3636.gif)
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(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/MP600001.jpg)
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/MP600007.jpg)
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/MP600011.jpg)
Seriously though, I still love it that Gerber will do so many little changes/options on one tool. :tu: Now, if only they still did the "build your own" service. :dd:
Well I have to say I'm impressed. 8) The tool selection on the Pro Scout is excellent and covers everything I could want in my MT. The cutters are super sharp and those aggressive pliers are fantastic. :tu: This is definitely a MT that'll see a lot of use I think.
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Here`s a blunt nose Pro Scout I found not to long ago. Never had seen one with blunt nose before.
Well I see your MP600 Pro Scout Blunt Nose and raise you a MP600 Pro Scout Blunt Nose with replaceable cutters. (http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs11/i/2006/204/6/9/_poker__commission_by_darkmoon3636.gif)
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(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/MP600001.jpg)
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/MP600007.jpg)
Gareth, did you add the plier head with the replaceable cutters or did it come with your pro scout?
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Came with it straight from the store like that. It does seem to be an unusal set up though. There is a link to where I got it in the Deals and Auctions forum. :)
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Thanks Gareth, looks like they do not ship to the USA or I would get one. I will see if I can sort things out from here.
that is a bit of an opposite where the guys over the pond have access to a model we dont here in the USA
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This MP400 Fisherman was delivered today. I`ve been on the hunt for one of these for a while. :)
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I know I've said it before, but if Gerber put that tool selection on with a standard head, it'd be very close to being my ideal Gerber. :tu:
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Seriously though, I still love it that Gerber will do so many little changes/options on one tool. Now, if only they still did the "build your own" service.
« Last Edit: 09 May 2012, 13:58:10 by Gareth »
Build your own Gerber? Sounds cool to me.
>:D add a flamethrower? just a small one of course.
:rofl:
Beth
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I emailed Gerber and asked if they could assist me in finding this model. They said it is not produced and at one time they custom built tools but no longer do. So I went ahead and tool the carbide cutters off another tool and added them to my proscout, now that is the most useful gerber I know of! although the diesel is a great tool also. I like gerbers but I really like their blunt tools.
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Just started to get into Gerber's. MP400 and D.E.T. Are the two new additons.
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Love those pics of the Pro Scout with the blunt nose carbide pliers head. I put a needle nose with carbide cutters on mine and love it. After fitting some sabre saw blades to it, it's incredibly handy. I may have to get a skinth xl for it in the near future.
Bob
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These pics have already appeared in the mod squad section but I thought they'd fit nicely here as well. My modified MP400 (now known as the MP475 ;)).
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/006-3.jpg)
Dropped the knife blade to make room for the file and dropped the can opener in favour of the awl. Now the awl is a tool Gerber should really offer on more MT's, it's a very handy tool. :)
Also did a little blade swap on my MP450 as I never really warmed to the Wharncliffe blade shape.
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/012-1.jpg)
My Gerber's have really pushed a lot of my other MT's to the back of the drawer, the sliding pliers and tool selection just work very well for me ATM. :)
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I like that mod Gareth. :tu: 8) :)
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Looks really good Gareth :tu:
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I like that tool loadout, Gareth. :tu: The blade swap is nice too. The 450 is probably my favorite multi, but I'm not crazy about that blade.
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My latest Gerber showed up today, courtesy of nelly1974. It could very well be my oldest too, not sure if it's older than my Mr. Pinchy or not. :think: Anyway, the MPT :
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/DSCF0708.jpg)
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/DSCF0709.jpg)
Very neat tool. Non-locking and the drivers are a bit stubby, but very cool nonetheless. And the awl kicks ass!
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/DSCF0711.jpg)
I especially like the rounded edges to the hollow part of the handles, makes it much more comfortable to use than a PST. This sucker is in great shape, and a very neat bit of kit. :tu:
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I like the MPT- it is an important piece of multitool evolution and scored a lot of points for the folks at Gerber. It's very similar in design to the PST but solves a couple of the PST problems- notably the uncomfortable handles, and it does it in a simple, elegant method.
While the overall tool is a bit gangly and awkward I think it's actually pretty cool in it's own way.
And yes, that is the King of Awls!
Def
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Also, for those interested, the MP600ST has been out for a month now; SMKW and eBay both have them available; I've handled one and it's a nice feeling piece of kit, as is the Balance - good run for the Juice S2, IMO.
And yes, the Balance does feel like a bar of soap. ::)
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While the overall tool is a bit gangly and awkward I think it's actually pretty cool in it's own way.
Gangly - THAT'S the word I was looking for! Thanks Def! :salute: :) I was doing a bit of searching on the web, looks like the one I have is an earlier one - brushed finish, cutouts only on one side of the handle, no edge on the file, no bumps to slow down the opening of the pliers, the "shoulders" on the handles at the pliers pivot. That makes it a bit cooler IMO. I've been playing with it since I got it, and I do have to say I think it's neat in a slightly odd sort of way. :tu:
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Searched the web for multitool info? :twak:
We've got more MPT info than I think anyone else has right here on the Multitool.org Encyclopedia (http://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=MPT)!
Just in case you happened to find any info we were missing, feel free to add it so the Encyclopedia is up to date for the next person that is looking for info!
Def
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:facepalm: Mia Culpa. Where's the Hara Kiri smiley? In my defense, the encyclopedia was the first link to pop up on Google, and that's where my info came from. That and a bizarre thread involving Mike and Benner from '08.......Seems to be a lot of those floating around here..... :)
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Yes, there used to be a LOT of odd Benner/Mike threads.... I find I actually miss the two of them carrying on, but don't tell them that or they'll both get swollen heads!
As for the Encyclopedia, a friend of mine was asking me about a fly fishing tool last week. I was telling him about this discontinued model from Xikar and he sent me a link asking "Is this the one?" It was a link to the Encyclopedia! He sent me a link to my own site! :P
Def
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11 of my Multi-Tools are Gerber (85%). I guess that makes me a fan :cheers:
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11 of my Multi-Tools are Gerber (85%). I guess that makes me a fan :cheers:
good man. :tu: I have to admit that though I am indeed a fan of all my Gerbers, I still own many more Leatherman's. :-[
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11 of my Multi-Tools are Gerber (85%). I guess that makes me a fan :cheers:
Which models do you have?
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Gerbers outnumber my LM's 9 to 4, with the two Swiss staying neutral. :P The Leatherman side is getting reinforced next week though......
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11 of my Multi-Tools are Gerber (85%). I guess that makes me a fan :cheers:
Which models do you have?
All Gerber 600's. Original :oops: After I searched the vehicles, shop, and house, I found 11 total. I really did not know I had that many. I really like my one Swiss Tool and one Leatherman Super Tool, but I just seem to find way better deals on these Gerber MP600's. :tu: I refuse to buy the China ones. So these three fit my style. :cheers:
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11 of my Multi-Tools are Gerber (85%). I guess that makes me a fan :cheers:
Which models do you have?
All Gerber 600's. Original :oops: After I searched the vehicles, shop, and house, I found 11 total. I really did not know I had that many. I really like my one Swiss Tool and one Leatherman Super Tool, but I just seem to find way better deals on these Gerber MP600's. :tu: I refuse to buy the China ones. So these three fit my style. :cheers:
The MP600 is a good tool and one I like alot! 8) :tu: :D
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And if you like the MP600 you really might want to give it's smaller siblings a go, the MP400 and MP450. Same blades and screwdrivers etc as the MP600 but a shorter frame and smaller plier head. :)
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And if you like the MP600 you really might want to give it's smaller siblings a go, the MP400 and MP450. Same blades and screwdrivers etc as the MP600 but a shorter frame and smaller plier head. :)
I will look into them. Thanks!
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11 MP600s.. :ahhh :ahhh Any pics mate? 8)
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11 MP600s.. :ahhh :ahhh Any pics mate? 8)
New on this forum. Is it easy to upload pics? ???
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11 MP600s.. :ahhh :ahhh Any pics mate? 8)
New on this forum. Is it easy to upload pics? ???
To add pics from your HD use the Attachments and other options and Attach:
when making a reply.. :)
If you're using Photobucket/Picasa ect. use the IMG tag (without the spaces..
[ img ]add link to pic here[ /img ]
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11 MP600s.. :ahhh :ahhh Any pics mate? 8)
New on this forum. Is it easy to upload pics? ???
You'll need a special license. Contact your local government about where you can get a Form 336(a)-XIV and the fees for the mandatory six week course. Assuming you are successful (minimum 85%) with both the written and practical parts of the exam you will be issued a probationary picture posting certificate valid for up to 18 months and renewable for an additional 36 months after that. During that time you will only be allowed to post up to three pictures a day, and even then, only in the presence of a qualified, licensed adult with at least 43 years of Official Internet Photo Posting Experience, Grade III or above. The process is actually simpler than it sounds, so don't be intimidated by it. These guidelines are for your protection. Imagine what the 'net would be like if they just allowed anyone to post images online! :ahhh
Seriously, we have a bit of a guide to posting pics here:
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,2306.0.html (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,2306.0.html)
And, if you have any questions or problems we have a whole forum full of people who will be happy to help because we ALL want to see your collection! :D
Def
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OK, this looks easy. I will get a picture up when my daughter brings back my camera this weekend from her trip. This site looks great. :tu: The blade forum is not as easy. I think you need to be an IT nerd not a blade nut ;)
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I was finally able to track one of these. :D
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Album%202/IMG_1530small.jpg)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Album%202/IMG_1533small.jpg)
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I was finally able to track one of these. :D
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Album%202/IMG_1530small.jpg)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Album%202/IMG_1533small.jpg)
Now you need one of the official US Military Gerber Sheath in Tan or ACU :cheers:
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...thought i´d share my EDC MT. I´v started some 15 years ago with a Gerber Multiplier, upgraded to a MP 600 a few years later when i received a new tool after sending mine in for sharpening.
after this one got stolen i bought this BO MP600.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/mattschwarz/tools/gerber600edc.jpg)
Bad pic of a great tool. I added the Mini Prybar to teh sheath about 2 years ago, and it´s a good addidtion.
I tried to betray the MP 600 a few times. Bought and sold a Skeletool (to light, tools missing).
Tried a Swisstool. Hm. Very well made, but not my used to tool and very heavy.
In the last weeks i EDCed a Spirit, which i find very nice although it could be a bit bigger.
Yesterday i made a MP 600 with Remgrit/saw coupler, scissors and a Bluntnose with Carbide cutters out of 2 different MP 600s i bought - We´ll see if it will be my new EDC.
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That's a tool that has seen some action. :tu: Pics are obligatory of any Gerber PM600 mods BTW. :pok: ;) :D
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Reckon that`s a fine looking BO MP600 lowtech. :tu: :)
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Thanks guys. I do use my tools. Tools i don´t use usually get sold or given away. so my MP 600 has seen some service.
As requested, here is a pic of my "Mod" which basically was only a Plier head change.
I took the head of a regular MP 600 with carbide cutters and implanted it on the once Needlenosed MP 600 with the Remgrit/saw coupler and scissors.
Second pic is of the donor ith it´s new needlenose to compare tool configuration. Note the broken file.
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They did actually do a version of the MP600 with that configuration, but it seems to be very uncommon.
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/MP600004.jpg)
I picked one up a couple of months ago without realising it was anything odd. Very good version of the PM600 IMO. :tu:
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I was kinda sure that this version must have existed, but could not get my hands on one.
I only came to love scissors when EDCing my Spirit for the last weeks, so it seemed a nice addition, just like the saw - you don´t need it often, but when you need it 2 knife blades won´t help.
I am asking myself if i do miss the big flat screwdriver and what tool i would leavo out instead - maybe the can opener. If going outdoors I´d carry another tool setup anyways.
And i´m thinking about how to implement something like the chisel/wirestripper - it´s a very nice tool on the spirit.
Oh, how teh Swiss folks have spoilt me - i have been lucky with Mr. Pinchy and the MP 600 for 15 years....
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Well, much as I like the scraper/wire stripper of the Spirit, it's not a tool I use very often and I don't miss it all that much when I'm not carrying it.
I do agree that the can opener can be more than a little redundant most of the time though and it would be nice to see more models with other features in their place.
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And, as I'm posting in the Gerber fan club, I'm happy to say that my MT choice for today was my modified MP400. :)
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/006-3.jpg)
Note the lack of can opener. ;)
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...what i noted was the presence of the awl. I remember my first, non locking MP to have a pretty massive awl/spike thet more than once folded in while using it... Ouch.
The scraper/ stripper is nice as i work as a janitor and constantly fight stickers or sticky stuff on different surfaces and the scraper gets them off fine.
And not to bore you to death, a little pic of My old EDC, the BO MP 600, The new Bluntnose and the donor of the Blunt-, now a needlenose.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/mattschwarz/tools/3gerber.jpg)
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I've seen the awl on the Multiplier, it's a beast. :) The awl on mine came from a MP600 Sportsman.
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/StyleCSandMP600035.jpg)
IIRC it can also be seen on the Fisherman.
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I just received my first Gerber ever (I'm not counting my Shard & Artifact).
I found it for $12 + free shipping.
(http://i49.tinypic.com/im3w2o.jpg)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/14v5sw8.jpg)
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These pics have already appeared in the mod squad section but I thought they'd fit nicely here as well. My modified MP400 (now known as the MP475 ;)).
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/006-3.jpg)
Dropped the knife blade to make room for the file and dropped the can opener in favour of the awl. Now the awl is a tool Gerber should really offer on more MT's, it's a very handy tool. :)
Also did a little blade swap on my MP450 as I never really warmed to the Wharncliffe blade shape.
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/012-1.jpg)
My Gerber's have really pushed a lot of my other MT's to the back of the drawer, the sliding pliers and tool selection just work very well for me ATM. :)
Well, thanks to Dunc's inspiration, I've got an additional feature added to my MP475.
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Glad to be of service :salute: and thank you for giving me an idea too :D
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Gareth what kind of thread lock if any do you use ?
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For the MP475 I've not got any on ATM. Despite lots of use I've not had an issue with the pivots loosening up so I'm not running out to add any.
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Gareth that looks like a good set up for the 400. :tu: :)
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Cheers folks. :cheers:
Also realised that I'd not put up any pics of my Balance in this thread.
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/IMG_0024.jpg)
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/IMG_0023.jpg)
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/IMG_0027.jpg)
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/IMG_0026.jpg)
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Now I want one of those too :ahhh
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Now I want one of those too :ahhh
A little over £30 is about the best price I think you are going to find in the UK.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gerber-Blades-Balance-Tool-Grey/dp/B006M9NICU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359906297&sr=8-1
Just sayin' :whistle:
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Now I want one of those too :ahhh
A little over £30 is about the best price I think you are going to find in the UK.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gerber-Blades-Balance-Tool-Grey/dp/B006M9NICU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359906297&sr=8-1
Just sayin' :whistle:
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh anyone got £30 they can lend me :rofl:
seriously when I'm back at work in about 6 weeks time I'm going to be doing a fair bit of ordering online >:D
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We managed to pressure Kirk into getting one already, but we forgot Dunc! :( :D
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Is it just me, or have the Balance suddenly become more expencive?
I thought I saw them for about $35 before christmas on Ebay.
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GOOD POINT! I actually saw the balance here at a local outfitter selling for $113 retail (USD)
that's why I just order from ebay.com and sacrifice the wait time.
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GOOD POINT! I actually saw the balance here at a local outfitter selling for $113 retail (USD)
that's why I just order from ebay.com and sacrifice the wait time.
:ahhh Holy smurf! $113!?!?! That's a bit nuts. I think the Balance is great, but not $113 great..... When you do have a chance to grab one at a reasonable price, go for it! I haven't steered you wrong yet..... :pok: :angel:
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GOOD POINT! I actually saw the balance here at a local outfitter selling for $113 retail (USD)
that's why I just order from ebay.com and sacrifice the wait time.
:ahhh Holy smurf! $113!?!?! That's a bit nuts. I think the Balance is great, but not $113 great..... When you do have a chance to grab one at a reasonable price, go for it! I haven't steered you wrong yet..... :pok: :angel:
Academy has had them on closeout for a while for around $20 USD. >.>
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GOOD POINT! I actually saw the balance here at a local outfitter selling for $113 retail (USD)
that's why I just order from ebay.com and sacrifice the wait time.
:ahhh Holy smurf! $113!?!?! That's a bit nuts. I think the Balance is great, but not $113 great..... When you do have a chance to grab one at a reasonable price, go for it! I haven't steered you wrong yet..... :pok: :angel:
HAHAHAHA...no sir you have not. I have been happy with my purchases based on your experiences. But that's true at $113...hey The Philippines is a 3rd world country...we're like technically poor. My brother bought one for like $65 when it went on sale. I told him that he could've bought a more expensive MT for that, but what's done is done. I got my flik for like 20 bucks.
I agree that my unwillingness to part with such a sizeable amount does not have anything to do with the quality of the tool but more of an economic standpoint. I have that on list list now, but I have to recover from all that spending I did over the last 2 months.
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Well I've just added to my Gerber group, with a Recoil. 8)
Is it nuts? Yes. Is it potentially hazardous to your "family planning"? Errr..YES! Does it have a slightly limited tool selection? Sadly, yes. Do I like it? Emphatically yes. :D
Superb levels of fiddle factor, and I don't seem to have quite as much problems stowing the pliers away as some folks have reported. Slightly softer springs perhaps?
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Gareth hope it serves you well.
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I see a lot of talk about the Flik here, is that a really bad tool or the two reviews about it on multitool.org just concern defective models ? I can have one (in France) for 43Euros, is that fair ? Or would a Suspension for 28Euros be a better choice ? (for comparison, a Wave costs 75Euros here). Thanks.
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I see a lot of talk about the Flik here, is that a really bad tool or the two reviews about it on multitool.org just concern defective models ? I can have one (in France) for 43Euros, is that fair ? Or would a Suspension for 28Euros be a better choice ? (for comparison, a Wave costs 75Euros here). Thanks.
about the suspension, The materials are fine, it (to me) was not engineered well enough.
if I gave you all of the parts to a Lamborghini and said "make something cool"
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and you created a football thrower, (instead of a Lamborghini)
well, that is what Gerber did with the suspension. :rofl:
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I see a lot of talk about the Flik here, is that a really bad tool or the two reviews about it on multitool.org just concern defective models ? I can have one (in France) for 43Euros, is that fair ? Or would a Suspension for 28Euros be a better choice ? (for comparison, a Wave costs 75Euros here). Thanks.
I would't bother with the Suspension myself, but the Flik is a different story. Now it's got it's flaws, and I won't try and say it is as good as a Wave (even though I use my Flik more) but I do think it's worth 43Euros. :tu:
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How did I miss this club... :D
Definitely a fan of my MP600 DET ;)
(http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx12/CaineKitty/Forum/PIC000118.jpg)
(http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx12/CaineKitty/Forum/PIC000119.jpg)
(http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx12/CaineKitty/Forum/PIC000120.jpg)
PS: What's the going price for those RemGrit sawblades?
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Thanks for your advices. I'll wait to see how Gerber handles my warranty claim on my broken BG Compact and I'll act in consequence (perhaps I'll buy a Swisstool Spirit, the one without the pointed blade, it's just 15/20Euros more than a Flik). Anyway, even if Gerber tools can have some flaws, one must admit they're innovating. Looks like fans have some sort of love-and-hate relationship though.
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Somewhere around 60Euros for a Spirit sounds like a great deal and even I have to admit it's a much better MT than the Flik. ;) If it was my money I would go for the Spirit.
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The spirit is an excellent tool. Can't go wrong with it.
Instead of a flick or suspension i would go for a diesel if it is reasonably priced. I really like mine.
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I suspect we've got a lot more members of this club these days, so sign up and share your thoughts and pictures. :cheers:
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If I were to spend 43,- € on a Gerber, I´d simply get a used MP 600. Built like a Tank, reliable tools.
But you won´t make a mistake by getting a spirit.
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Recent Gerber convert. Used to look down on them as a Leatherman user. Then I tried an MP600 Pro Scout. Had it for a while, then bit the bullet this past month and picked up an SS BN MP600, BO BN MP600 and BO Diesel :mail:.
I've since modded the SS BN MP600 with parts from the Pro Scout and the BO BN MP600 with parts from the Diesel to make what I consider as two almst perfect MTs :ahhh.
After years of modding and carrying Leathermans my preferred EDC... is a Gerber :facepalm:.
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Hey folks, I'm looking for some positive, constructive feedback in this (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,51276.0.html) thread. Where better to go look for it than from the Gerber fans? :D
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Hey folks, I'm looking for some positive, constructive feedback in this (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,51276.0.html) thread. Where better to go look for it than from the Gerber fans? :D
I'm a recent convert, count me in :cheers:
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I'm still liking the early Mr Pinchy's, especially the shiny ones :multi: (in fact I just bought another First Production Run Mr Pinchy)