Post by: ReamerPunch on July 12, 2018, 07:28:33 PM
You may not encounter canned goods that often, or it may be a ring-pull can, or a pre-cut one with the key provided.
Nevertheless, there are still cans out there that require an opener, hence its inclusion, to this day, in multi-tools.
(https://i.imgur.com/iKHrKrv.jpg)
Having gone through a few cans recently, I decided to try out all my different can openers included in my multi-tools, and maybe use an arbitrary point system to arrange them in an order that might make some sense.
Lynn has gone through scissors (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,36798.0.html), if you'd like to take a look.
(https://i.imgur.com/E8cOQe6.jpg)
Some can openers cannot even open cans, despite having "can" in their very name, and having supposedly gone through testing before they hit the market.
For those who can find their way around a can rim, there are some qualities I am looking for.
Features of interest
-Ease of initial punching through the can top.
-Ergonomics are important. I want the tool not to hurt me in the process.
-Performance will be a three layer point value:
- I do not want it to get stuck in the can and require time and effort to get it out. Locking ones have an advantage, though I will not deduct points solely for the lack of a locking mechanism.
- I want it to cut cleanly. Ratio of cutting to bending the can top will not be taken into account. I am after a clean cut, with low risk of sharp edges cutting me later.
- It would be nice if it did not slip off the rim of the can. I want to rock it back and forth, in a consistent cut.
That makes five categories eligible for points. Contestants will get one point for passing, two points for passing with distinction, and no points for failure to meet expectations.
Features not considered for points
-Proper placement. If the can opener cannot even hook onto the can rim, it is not a can opener. I want it as far left in the handle as possible, since I am right-handed. A functional can opener will be in an adequate position to open cans, for it to be functional at all. Instead of awarding a point to all functional can openers, we'll lump this with comfort or something.
-Additional features (wire-stripper, flatheads) are not considered for this. I just want some stew, vegetables, or fruit out of a tin.
-Ease of access. It may require a handle to be unfolded, to get to the can opener. Saving three seconds is not important.
-Speed. Any decent can opener will open a can in a reasonable and comparable amount of time. I will not be on the brink of dying from hunger when I start, so the difference will not be taken into account.
Benchmark
The benchmark will be the Leatherman Core. Excellent in all required fields, it is my go-to can opener, and I have no complaints whatsoever with it. Great ergonomics, great edge angle and piercing point, easy, clean cut, no sharp edges left behind, locking, and no slipping off the rim. It scores 2 points in every feature, for a total of a perfect 10.
(https://i.imgur.com/RDT1Zby.jpg)
Contestants
In total, sixteen can openers were pitted against the Core.
Leatherman Charge AL
Leatherman Juice CS4 (old)
Leatherman Mini-Tool
Victorinox SwissChamp
Victorinox Deluxe Tinker
Victorinox Spirit
Gerber MP400
Ganzo G302-B
Roxon Storm (default and modded)
Wenger Highlander
Buck BuckTool 360
Schrade USA Tough Tool
Bear & Son Bear Jaws (locking variant)
Craftright multi-tool
SOG Pocket Power Plier
Coast LED Pocket Pliers
(https://i.imgur.com/SzvIvIU.jpg?2)
Some tools are representing others in their series, which share the same can opener, or simply other models altogether, though with the identical can opener. Ergonomics vary between different multi-tools with the same can opener, but it is still a very similar experience.
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 12, 2018, 07:38:01 PM
Charge
Almost the same experience as the Core, but it lost a point due to its external blades. Their spines protrude from the handles and dig into my palms. It helps to unfold one handle. One of the best. Very robust, it can go through mangled parts of the top and still cut through consistently and cleanly. I would be happy with this.
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort. Oho blades took their toll.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 9
(https://i.imgur.com/EsAVu0U.jpg?1)
Victorinox Deluxe Tinker
A well loved design, the quarter-circle has been adopted by many other companies. Nobody does it like Victorinox though.
This is representing pretty much all can openers of this design on 91mm models, as well as 84, 93 and 111mm ranges, and delemont ranges.
The ergonomics might vary slightly, but it's the same basic shape of knife and can opener. A nice, rounded handle, and a sharp blade.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort. Nothing protrudes to dig into my hand.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
1 for not slipping.
Total: 9
(https://i.imgur.com/iEuKEbj.jpg?2)
Roxon Storm
Out of the box, the can opener was unable to hook onto the rim. Ergonomics, sharpness, ease of use, nothing matters. You will only be able to open ring-pull cans with this. If it's a classic can, this is not the answer.
0 points.
(https://i.imgur.com/JVvEJ07.jpg)
Roxon Storm (modded)
I swapped places of the can opener and cord cutter. The can opener is now functional, though pretty average.
0 points for punching through. Not easy, as the piercing point is quite blunt.
1 for comfort. Stayed in hand, did not hurt enough to stop. Scale edge still dug into my hand.
2 for not jamming.
1 for cutting. It could have a sharper edge with more of an angle to it. Consistent cut, though it left jagged, sharp edges.
2 for not slipping. The hook is at least better designed than the rest of it, and it stayed on the can rim.
Total: 6
(https://i.imgur.com/GOJ31kh.jpg)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 12, 2018, 07:43:48 PM
SwissChamp
Identical performance to the Deluxe Tinker. I found myself slipping off the rim. Also I could not get a perfectly consistent cut, like with the Core claw. Everything else is great. The wider body of the SwissChamp was not that noticeable compared to the Tinker.
2 points for punching through. It comes extremely sharp.
2 for comfort. nothing protrudes to dig into my hand.
2 for not jamming. Lack of locking mechanism is irrelevant when the can opener is this sharp.
2 for cutting. Yes; sharp.
1 for not slipping. Your mileage may vary, but I slipped off a few times.
Total: 9
Gerber MP400
A quarter-circle. Not the same grind as the Victorinox one. Not as sharp, but a nice, easy, clean cut. I still found myself slipping off the can rim. Otherwise, a good choice for freeing your canned goods.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
1 for not slipping.
Total: 9
Ganzo G302-B
Excellent can opener, very clean and easy cut. The edges of the handles were a bit annoying, and the tool is quite heavy, but it performed extremely well.
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 9
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 12, 2018, 07:47:49 PM
Great round shape to hold on to. The can opener is pointy and sharp, and it did not slip off.
It did get stuck and folded a bit when trying to get it out. The cut was clean, but I had to be mindful of the angle I was on, to prevent it from jamming.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
0 for not jamming.
1 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 7
(https://i.imgur.com/AgrFFp2.jpg?2)
BuckTool
Barely able to hook onto the rim, due to bad placement. It was a chore to keep it on the rim, and impossible to cut consistently. Very jagged cut, creating burrs and sharp edges.
I might as well have used a blade, Phillips, or flathead, with arguably better results. At least it locks, so no jamming.
1 point for punching through.
0 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
0 for cutting.
0 for not slipping.
Total: 3
(https://i.imgur.com/uVZgdof.jpg?2)
Schrade USA Tough Tool
One handle has to be unfolded, otherwise it is impossible to use. It kept jamming and folding. Very poor cutting as well.
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
0 for not jamming.
0 for cutting.
1 for not slipping.
Total: 4
(https://i.imgur.com/pGAJGeF.jpg?2)
Core, Buck, and Schrade. Look how far to the wrong side the Buck can opener is.
(https://i.imgur.com/RIIATY6.jpg)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 12, 2018, 07:51:48 PM
Locking, sharp, great. No jamming, no slipping. The cut is a bit rougher that other claw can openers. Its levers for unlocking protrude a bit. Not a bad choice at all.
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
1 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 8
(https://i.imgur.com/SWRvYON.jpg)
Craftright (Generic Suspension clone)
The piercing point is extremely blunt, and as such did not punch through easily. Clean cut, did not jam, did not slip off. The handle edges are not that rounded off, but not all that bad, once you get it to pierce.
0 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 7
(https://i.imgur.com/GRTHgPX.jpg?2)
Spirit
Great ergonomics, and it is very sharp, quite a similar experience as with a sak. Now with the additional benefit of a locking can opener, though I did tend to slip off. But that's just me.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
1 for not slipping.
Total: 9
(https://i.imgur.com/i51k5jC.jpg?2)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 12, 2018, 07:54:27 PM
0 points for punching through. The piercing point is blunt and its hook kept coming off the rim.
2 for comfort. Very well rounded off edges.
2 for not jamming.
0 for cutting. Once you go too far away from the rim, you cannot continue the same cut. And it does not punch through easily to start a new one.
0 for not slipping.
Total: 4
(https://i.imgur.com/nyHZw9U.jpg?2)
SOG PPP
Quite good. I did not slip off the rim, and it never jammed. The plier gears dig into my hand, and the cut was a lot more jagged that other quarter-circle can openers.
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
1 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 8
(https://i.imgur.com/5gpPjm4.jpg?2)
Mini-Tool
An oddball design. It does not slip or jam, and cuts easily and cleanly. The only issue is the design itself. Being integral to the handle extension, it unfolds at the wrong orientation. When pressing downwards to cut into the can, you are pressing in the same direction the can opener folds back into the handle. If you do not exert force to keep it open, it will simply fold back. The piercing point is blunt, and took some effort to punch through, while fighting it from folding. Once through, everything else was great.
0 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 8
(https://i.imgur.com/2EUadUR.jpg?2)
Juice
0 points for punching through. The piercing point is blunt and not at the best angle to punch through.
1 for comfort. The edges dig into my hands, and so does the corkscrew. This is the old design, so maybe now it's better?
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 7
(https://i.imgur.com/Upv42M6.jpg?2)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 12, 2018, 07:59:23 PM
From best to worst:
10: Core
9: Charge
9: SwissChamp
9: Deluxe Tinker
9: MP400
9: Ganzo G302
9: Spirit
8: Bear Jaws
8: Mini-Tool
8: SOG PPP
7: Wenger
7: Craftright
7: Juice
6: Roxon Storm (modded)
4: Schrade
4: Coast
3: BuckTool
0: Roxon Storm
(https://i.imgur.com/9q5HvDF.jpg)
Thoughts
I prefer claw can openers the most. Especially when done right, like Leatherman, Bear and Son, and Ganzo. I get a consistent cut, and I never slip off the rim. Non-locking claws tend to get stuck, like Wenger and Schrade. I am not fond of this. I do not really care about the time needed to get it free, but it just makes the whole process frustrating.
With quarter-circles, I tend to slip off the rim, but the Victorinox ones are great, and the others are mostly good enough. And none jammed, though I'd probably mangle the can with the Coast.
(https://i.imgur.com/sVHmR7Y.jpg)
Some can openers performed better than I expected. The cheap Craftright was very reluctant to punch through, being extremely blunt, but cut very easily. So did the Juice and Mini-Tool. I hoped the Wenger would do better, but it is an old example, which was purchased used. Maybe if it was new, the backsprings would be stronger and help it jam less.
I was surprised with how poor a cutter the Schrade was, and how terrible in general the BuckTool was. As for the Storm, I was extremely disappointed that it could not even hook on the rim. After I modded it, even with it being average, I am very pleased that at least it can now open a can at all.
(https://i.imgur.com/NB1Lgcm.jpg)
I will use these different can openers instead of the Core, and perhaps revisit a score or two. My technique with quarter-circles could improve. A Wenger sak in better shape may do better than the beat up one I used. A Victorinox delemont sak might be better in the hand than the SwissChamp or Tinker. I did not use one can per can opener, so going full circle may change a thing or two.
I am interested to know what people use, if anything. I know some people swear by Victorinox, but others, like me I guess, prefer a Leatherman claw. Do you get a consistent cut with a sak? Do you slip off the rim with quarter-circles? Does your Wenger get stuck?
(https://i.imgur.com/rqYHHrT.jpg?2)
Post by: Don Pablo on July 12, 2018, 08:02:19 PM
Very cool! :salute:
Post by: Wspeed on July 12, 2018, 08:03:11 PM
Nice to see all the results of the can openers
I like the SAK can opener the best :tu:
Post by: ThePeacent on July 13, 2018, 01:34:11 PM
I've found that SOG Can openers leve really jagged cuts and that Wengers tend to get stuck a lot (I've used 4 different ones so far from Wenger, but all got stuck too often :ahhh)
I am also very fond of my Blast and Fuse can openers, so I agree with you on certain points :cheers:
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 13, 2018, 02:13:47 PM
Post by: Nix on July 13, 2018, 08:41:26 PM
I've used the Vic can opener the most, so it's the one I prefer. I'm jaded by experience. As a bonus, the Vic can opener can be used as a small driver/Phillips driver or light pry tool. So....I'd give the Vic can opener an extra point for 'Versatility' and call it a draw with the Core. :D
Post by: Nix on July 13, 2018, 08:42:29 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 14, 2018, 10:45:59 AM
I'll get more cans and test some tools and either confirm their score or change a thing or two.
Not yet tested some tools:
Surge, Rebar, SuperTool 200. Locking Leatherman claws. Probably just as good as the Core.
PST, Sideclip, Wingman. Non-locking Leatherman claws. I wonder if they'll get stuck.
Safari Hunter, Bantam. Victorinox combo tools. Will they be as good as their classic quarter-circle?
Victorinox 84, 93, 111, 130mm models. Classic quarter-circle, so probably the same performance as the Deluxe Tinker.
Wenger 120mm and 130mm. Still not locking, but they might be better than their 85mm model claw.
PowerLock, probably the same as the PPP.
Post by: ThePeacent on July 14, 2018, 01:01:34 PM
Thanks guys! :tu:
I'll get more cans and test some tools and either confirm their score or change a thing or two.
Not yet tested some tools:
Surge, Rebar, SuperTool 200. Locking Leatherman claws. Probably just as good as the Core.
PST, Sideclip, Wingman. Non-locking Leatherman claws. I wonder if they'll get stuck.
Safari Hunter, Bantam. Victorinox combo tools. Will they be as good as their classic quarter-circle?
Victorinox 84, 93, 111, 130mm models. Classic quarter-circle, so probably the same performance as the Deluxe Tinker.
Wenger 120mm and 130mm. Still not locking, but they might be better than their 85mm model claw.
PowerLock, probably the same as the PPP.
IME the Wingman one sucks, :P but could be my technique :ahhh
the Combo tool works wonders on my Wenger Entree (due to its thinness guess :think:) but not so good on my Vics ???
PL is the same as the PPP, ergos of the handles apart, at least in my testing. :salute:
Post by: Wspeed on July 14, 2018, 01:05:46 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 14, 2018, 05:22:21 PM
Core, Buck, and Schrade. Look how far to the wrong side the Buck can opener is.
(https://i.imgur.com/RIIATY6.jpg)
Looking at this again, I may use the BuckTool left-handed.
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 15, 2018, 01:46:36 PM
Our next contestants are all claws. Leatherman Rebar and Wingman, Victorinox Safari Hunter, Wenger 06 - Mountaineer, and last, and possibly least, the Workpro 10 in 1.
(https://i.imgur.com/xjcP7YE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Thhs9Ep.jpg)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 15, 2018, 01:58:15 PM
Not only a perfect 10, but even better than the Core. The Rebar, Charge, Core, and a few others have the same can opener, but the Rebar excels in ergonomics. Nothing protrudes to dig into my palm, and it is not as squared and bulky as the Core. Moving the body up and down with ease, the edge advanced beautifully through the can top. Perfection.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
(https://i.imgur.com/i4ELGlo.jpg)
Leatherman Wingman
This is not identical to the locking can opener found in the Core, Charge, etc. It is a different design, though still very capable. The can opener sits a bit more to the right than on the Rebar, so to compensate, they made the implement longer, distancing the hook from the handle. Unfortunately, its edge meets the can top at a more obtuse angle, and is shorter, limiting the length of each individual cut. Good edge and properly sharpened, with a good piercing point. Not as straight forward as the Core/Rebar. I had to adjust my grip and be mindful of where the cutting edge was going. There are also some edges that could be more rounded. Still, a clean cut with no sharp edges. A great choice.
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 9
(https://i.imgur.com/4oTZXcq.jpg)
Victorinox Safari Hunter
This looks more like a good bottle opener and less like a combination bottle and can opener. No typical can opener edge grind, no acute piercing point either. I was surprised with how easily it punched through the top, and it felt great in the hand. Being at the tip of a saw, the can opener sits the farthest away from the body than any other can opener. This may have helped leverage, and in conjunction with a good hook to help it stay on the can rim, the affair was quite comfortable. At no point did I feel like the saw edge would mess up my evening. The downside is that, since there is no edge like on other claw can openers, this is more of a bender than a cutter, and as such, it left a messy cut, with sharp points and edges.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
1 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 9
(https://i.imgur.com/TXZCEzE.jpg?2)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 15, 2018, 02:04:58 PM
The same can opener as on the 85mm Wenger models. A larger handle to hold on to, but with a massive blade spine digging into my fingers. This appeared to cut better than the Highlander, though it still jammed when cutting, and folded when being freed.
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
0 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 7
(https://i.imgur.com/d8BG0xi.jpg?2)
Workpro 10 in 1
The tiniest can opener so far. Non-locking, one third the edge of other claws, and rather blunt. Piercing was not easy, nor was anything else. This is the smallest multi-tool to hold while opening a can. Being blunt, it did not punch through easily. In order to get it to cut and to get a better grip, I had to support the can opener with my thumb. It does not cut well, constantly slipping off the rim, and having a very short and blunt cutting edge. Moving at a snail's pace, my thumb got numb for little reward. If you are unfortunate enough to have this to open a can, be patient and hope that, by the time you're done, your food is still within expiration date.
1 points for punching through.
0 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
0 for cutting.
0 for not slipping.
Total: 3
(https://i.imgur.com/NMgt23J.jpg?2)
This is the same size as the Mini-Tool, but their can openers are not. I also supported the Mini-Tool's can opener with my thumb, but it is a wide handle, and thus very comfortable, while also providing a good grip and leverage.
(https://i.imgur.com/C9FW5le.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ckdMpND.jpg?2)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 17, 2018, 10:16:01 AM
Today's contestants are quite a diverse lot.
Leatherman SuperTool 200 and PST, Victorinox Bantam, SOG PowerLock, Wenger RangerGrip 60, and Sheffield 10 in 1.
(https://i.imgur.com/k14iDgy.jpg?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/QJjKwT0.jpg)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 17, 2018, 10:20:15 AM
Not exactly the same design with the Core, but functionally identical. Nicely rounded handles with nothing to dig into my hand. It did not jam, it did not slip. Clean, easy cut with nothing to worry about.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
(https://i.imgur.com/oWLnxr5.jpg?2)
Leatherman PST
Nice compact tool to hold on to, with a great claw to cut into the can, this is just as good as its locking brethren. Very comfortable in the hand, consistent cut with no sharp edges left behind, no slipping off the can, no jamming.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
(https://i.imgur.com/wY43g1S.jpg)
Wenger RangerGrip 60
I expected no difference between this and the other Wenger can openers, and yet, here we are. Great cut, clean and easy, with no sharp edges left behind. Curiously, it did not get stuck while cutting, because I was mindful of how deep I pushed the claw in the can. Taking a closer look, you will notice that this is differently designed than a typical Leatherman claw.
On the Leatherman claw, the edge is in a continuous line with the 'mouth', for lack of a better term. From the tip of the claw, to the tip of the hook, it is one curvy line.
On the Wenger, there is a harpoon element to it, as the edge sits below the 'mouth'. As the edge ends, there is almost a barb, acting similarly to a fish hook barb. If you push the claw too deep into the can, the barb passes the top of the can and interferes with retracting the claw. I hope this makes sense.
(https://i.imgur.com/Odl9NGq.jpg?2)
Being careful not to let the barb sink in the top of the can, I was able to cut consistently, without getting stuck, not even once. Eliminating the tendancy to jam into the can top, the only issue was the blade spine digging into my hand.
This effectively means that I have to test the 85mm and 120mm models again, and see how well they can do.
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 9
(https://i.imgur.com/qrfK31t.jpg?2)
Post by: styx on July 17, 2018, 10:27:36 AM
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 17, 2018, 10:29:02 AM
A familiar issue with this kind of design, this is not a true claw, lacking the piercing point that goes through the can top like nothing. Also, the edge is half the length of other claws, limiting each cut. Still, a better cutter than other non-claw combo tools, due to it being thinner. Great in the hand, and it did not slip. It did get stuck a couple of times, but it is thin enough to be retrieved with little effort.
1 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
1 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 8
(https://i.imgur.com/d9OLK1S.jpg)
SOG PowerLock
Similar to the PPP. Good enough cutter, although rougher than other quarter-circles. This is a lot bulkier and its gears are larger, causing more discomfort.
2 points for punching through.
0 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
1 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 7
(https://i.imgur.com/HlG5Lwr.jpg?2)
Sheffield 10 in 1
Unable to hook on the can. When trying with the left hand, it just slips off the rim, without leaving the slightest dent into the can top.
0 points.
(https://i.imgur.com/WRH1e2i.jpg?2)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 17, 2018, 12:04:17 PM
this is really extensive. thanks for the comparison. personally I feel more intuitive with SAK style can openers than with LM/Wenger style, but they all work. I wonder how you'd rank the openers on Bantam or Hunter
:cheers:
I prefer Leatherman ones, but to each his own. But most of them are good enough.
I tried the Bantam, it's pretty good. I do not have a Hunter. Hopefully that will change someday.
Post by: styx on July 17, 2018, 12:09:51 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 17, 2018, 01:36:15 PM
Hunter and Bantam have the same can opener. Leverage might be a factor though
It's the same one? I thought the Hunter had a larger one. :think:
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 17, 2018, 01:56:16 PM
Surge, Signal, Sideclip. They share a can opener with others. Probably same results.
Victorinox 84, 93, 111, 130mm models. Maybe one won't slip.
Wenger 85mm and 120mm. These will be tested again, due to recent findings.
BuckTool. I will try and use this with my left hand, and see if it is any better.
Post by: Wspeed on July 17, 2018, 02:02:06 PM
Post by: styx on July 17, 2018, 02:12:47 PM
Hunter and Bantam have the same can opener. Leverage might be a factor though
It's the same one? I thought the Hunter had a larger one. :think:
You could be right. I'll take side by side pics when I get home
Post by: magentus on July 17, 2018, 02:17:34 PM
You have to wonder at some of the cheaper companies including a tool that can't even be used! :facepalm:
Post by: jaya_man on July 17, 2018, 05:13:20 PM
Forgot if I tried to use the LM/Wenger can opener design, they cut in clockwise/backwards motion right? As opposed to the forward motion of Vic’s?
Post by: Poncho65 on July 18, 2018, 12:05:54 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 18, 2018, 01:15:51 PM
It's been a lot of fun. :D
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 18, 2018, 01:18:03 PM
Excellent write up and investigation :cheers:
You have to wonder at some of the cheaper companies including a tool that can't even be used! :facepalm:
I guess they do not expect their tools to be used by those who buy them. :think:
Not that you can call those cheapos collection pieces. Well, some people do, but still.
Even good brands occasionally mess the can opener up. Look at the BuckTool.
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 18, 2018, 01:23:45 PM
Awesome comparisons RP... :like:
Forgot if I tried to use the LM/Wenger can opener design, they cut in clockwise/backwards motion right? As opposed to the forward motion of Vic’s?
Yes, Leatherman and Wenger claws are designed to go backwards, aka with the can staying still, you go clockwise as you cut. Or, you spin the can counter-clockwise as you cut.
With Victorinox and other quarter-circles, you go forward, so with the can staying still, you go counter-clockwise. Or, you spin the can clockwise as you cut.
You can of course go in the opposite direction to the supposed right way for each design. Not as quick though.
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 18, 2018, 01:25:00 PM
Great review, pics and work on this RP :like: :like: Stuff like this gets overlooked sometimes and I miss threads like this completely :facepalm: Glad I found this gem though :tu: :like:
Better late than never. :cheers:
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 18, 2018, 02:15:04 PM
A few familiar faces. Revisiting the Wenger Highlander and Buck BuckTool, and trying out two more quarter-circles from Victorinox, the Cadet and Farmer.
(https://i.imgur.com/FscudQU.jpg)
Note the excellent placement of the can opener on the Swiss Army Knives. And then there's the Buck.
(https://i.imgur.com/8hlWCSq.jpg)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 18, 2018, 02:37:14 PM
Seeing how badly they placed the can opener on this, it almost looks like a left-handed can opener. Having used it right-handed, with terrible results, I thought I'd try left-handed.
A bit awkward to use the non-dominant hand, but it worked. Despite the awkwardness, slipping, jamming, and ghost cuts, it eventually worked, and much better than with my right hand.
2 points for punching through. It hooks better onto the rim, since it is more to the right of the handle than to the left.
1 for comfort. The handles are nicely rounded, but then again, so is a pencil. It does not mean I can write with my left hand.
1 for not jamming. The nail-nick kept getting caught on the remnants of the edge on the wall of the can.
1 for cutting. Not every push yielded a cut. It kept slipping and jamming, delaying an already frustrating process.
1 for not slipping.
Total: 6
(https://i.imgur.com/TNWChbn.jpg?2)
The can opener is commonly placed on the left-most side of the handle, allowing it to hook onto the rim, without having the left corner of the handle getting in the way. Ideally, the only thing touching the can will be the hook, under the rim, and the piercing point on the top of the can, right next to the rim. If a can opener is placed too far to the right of the handle, then the handle will get in the way of the hook, forcing the piercing point away from the rim.
Top: Leatherman Core & Wenger Highlander. Correct placement; the handle does not get in the way.
Bottom: BuckTool with right hand (barely hooking onto the rim) & BuckTool with left hand (not as bad, but I am not left-handed).
(https://i.imgur.com/7yGJDP3.jpg?2)
Wenger Highlander
Another surprising revisit, the Highlander claimed its place in the 'perfect 10' club. Rather than sinking the entire claw in the can, I was watching the harpoon barb closely, so it would not go past the top and get stuck. It worked wonders. I did not get stuck at all, while cutting consistently and cleanly. Perhaps slightly slower than I would have with a Leatherman claw, but still quick and easy enough not to remove any points. All it takes is to simply not jab the entire claw in the can.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
(https://i.imgur.com/SGpbzss.jpg?2)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 18, 2018, 02:40:18 PM
Identical can opener to the one on 91mm models. And identical performance. Nice, thin and properly sharpened edge, great ergonomics. No jamming, and a beautiful cut, with a little bit of slipping. Could it be the polished finish? Is the hook too rounded? :think:
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
1 for not slipping.
Total: 9
(https://i.imgur.com/w9XPKsU.jpg)
Victorinox Cadet
The identical design, just shrunk down a little. Surprisingly, this small difference in size worked in its favor, allowing for a consistent, clean cut, with no slipping whatsoever. I managed to stay on the rim of the can for the entirety of the cut. Excellent.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
(https://i.imgur.com/2gQRCAI.jpg?2)
Post by: styx on July 18, 2018, 03:35:20 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 18, 2018, 03:59:08 PM
could the slipping issue be due to hand size?
I have large hands. I did not slip with the Cadet, and it's tiny. But I slipped with all other Victorinox can openers, and the MP400, but not the PPP. :think:
Post by: styx on July 18, 2018, 07:26:42 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 20, 2018, 02:10:04 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 20, 2018, 02:10:14 PM
This time, we are looking at the Leatherman Signal, and two Victorinox 111mm liner-lock models, the Fireman, and the OHO Trekker. We will also be revisiting the Wenger 06 - Mountaineer.
(https://i.imgur.com/TxwpXm9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BoN6xCo.jpg)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 20, 2018, 02:15:25 PM
The hammer prevents the handles to close with the can opener deployed. You will have to either open one handle, or both. With both handles open it was a bit better in the hand, and given that this is the standard locking claw, found on the Core, Charge, and Rebar, it performed just as well. Easy and consistent cutting, with nothing to be concerned about.
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 9
(https://i.imgur.com/Bh7ZHKk.jpg?2)
Wenger 06 - Mountaineer
Having identified the cause of Wenger claws getting stuck, I was able to get it to cut with no issues. Watch the edge, do not push the entire length of it past the top of the can, and all will be fine. The blade spine was still a little annoying, but at least it did not get stuck, and the cut was consistent and clean.
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 9
(https://i.imgur.com/uOnr3a4.jpg?2)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 20, 2018, 02:19:17 PM
No surprises here. This is the identical can opener that the 91mm and 93mm models use. Very sharp, it cuts very well, and the only issue I seem to have is slipping off the rim now and then. I am definitely getting better with the quarter-circle design, and you cannot argue with how well it cuts.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
1 for not slipping.
Total: 9
(https://i.imgur.com/ugNj5lb.jpg?2)
Victorinox OHO Trekker (liner-lock)
The only difference between this and the Fireman is ergonomics. The blade's thumb-hole that allows for one-handed deployment creates a considerably large hump that digs into my hand. Nothing too major, but the Fireman was slightly better.
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
1 for not slipping.
Total: 8
(https://i.imgur.com/a3jwUeF.jpg)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 22, 2018, 09:18:56 AM
Next on the list, some can openers we have seen before, on bodies we have not. Victorinox RangerGrip 79 and Hercules, Leatherman Surge and Sideclip.
(https://i.imgur.com/zf8fKxy.jpg)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 22, 2018, 09:31:08 AM
No surprises here. The same great claw found in the Core. Locking, great angle and edge, it punched through as if the can top wasn't there. No slipping, no jamming, and great cutting, leaving no sharp points or edges. The ergonomics take a small hit for the blade spine and a few edges that could be rounder. Still, not at all worrying.
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 9
(https://i.imgur.com/KvOT2iz.jpg?2)
Leatherman Sideclip
The identical can opener as in the PST, this performed just as beautifully. Excellent piercing, cutting, and ergonomics, with no jamming or slipping off the rim. Having no lock made no difference, as it has more than adequate tension to remain open. The same performance as its larger siblings, only in a smaller, lighter, and more comfortable package. Outstanding.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
(https://i.imgur.com/2hGOcAS.jpg?2)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 22, 2018, 09:39:28 AM
111mm slidelock model. When it comes to can openers, the only difference between slide-lock and liner-lock models is that on slide-locks the can opener is more inline to the handle, whereas on the liner-lock models it is more canted forward. Thus, we have a light difference in the angle of the handle when cutting, but it is the same can opener found on both. The can opener is also identical to the one in the 91mm and 93mm range.
Hercules (slide-lock) and Fireman (liner-lock)
(https://i.imgur.com/DY9Extt.jpg)
Fireman on top.
(https://i.imgur.com/7jncxxx.jpg)
It is interesting to note that I did not slip with this. Quite surprising, considering quarter-circles tend to slip on me. Comparing its can opener to the Cadet's, the main difference is size. Seeing how the Cadet did not slip me at all, I made smaller cuts with the Hercules can opener, and it worked. Treating it as if it were smaller, I did not slip off the can at all. It cut beautifully, and its wide frame provided a nice, comfortable grip.
I will be revisiting the quarter-circles that I slipped off the can with, to see if my technique has improved.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
(https://i.imgur.com/u203nbp.jpg)
Victorinox RangerGrip 79
I will definitely be revisiting other quarter-circles, since I did not slip with this one either. Again, the same can opener as in 91, 93, and 111mm models. As with the Hercules one, I made smaller cuts with this than it could. It may have taken a little longer than with a Leatherman claw but I managed to stay on the rim, so it was definitely quicker than if I were slipping off of it. Great cutter, no jamming. The blade spine does protrude from the body, so not a perfect 10, but a great choice nonetheless.
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 9
(https://i.imgur.com/1zG2EBd.jpg?2)
Post by: Vidar on July 22, 2018, 06:29:04 PM
Post by: styx on July 22, 2018, 09:06:51 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 23, 2018, 06:49:10 AM
Very interesting! :tu:
:cheers:
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 23, 2018, 06:52:07 AM
is that Surge the first large LM to go under 10
The Charge got a 9, then the Signal, and the Surge, all for ergonomics.
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 23, 2018, 07:09:26 AM
Asterisks will be tested again. They lost a point to slipping, which might have to do with my technique. I managed not to slip with the Hercules and 130mm quarter-circle, which is the same in 91, 93, 111 LL models, and very similar to the Spirit and MP400, so they might not slip on me now.
10 - Core
10 - Rebar
10 - PST
10 - SuperTool 200
10 - SideClip
10 - Wenger Highlander
10 - Victorinox Cadet
10 - Victorinox Hercules
9* - Spirit
9* - Fireman LL
9* - SwissChamp
9* - Deluxe Tinker
9* - Farmer
9* - MP400
9 - Charge
9 - Signal
9 - Surge
9 - Wingman
9 - Ganzo G302
9 - Safari Hunter
9 - Wenger Ranger 06 - Mountaineer
9 - Wenger RangerGrip 60
9 - Victorinox RangerGrip 79
8* - OHO Trekker
8 - Bear Jaws
8 - Mini-Tool
8 - SOG PPP
8 - Victorinox Bantam
7 - Craftright
7 - Juice
7 - PowerLock
6 - Roxon Storm (modded)
6 - BuckTool (left-handed)
4 - Schrade TT
4 - Coast
3 - BuckTool
3 - WorkPro scissors
0 - Roxon Storm
0 - Shefield 10 in 1
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 26, 2018, 12:06:25 PM
Today we will be going full circle, as we revisit four quarter-circles, the Victorinox SwissChamp, Deluxe Tinker, and Spirit, and the Gerber MP400.
These had all lost a point to slipping. There are many variables which can lead to slipping off the rim as you cut. Not only the tool itself with a badly formed or over-polished hook, bad placement, too blunt an edge, or terrible ergonomics messing up your grip, but also a polished or too narrow can rim, paper label getting in the way of the hook, or even user error, such as improper grip, excessive eagerness to get the can open, not concentrating properly on what they're doing.
So how did these do? Let's see.
(https://i.imgur.com/yphyT96.jpg)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 26, 2018, 12:26:41 PM
Being a Victorinox, the Deluxe Tinker helps eliminate a few of the possible causes for slipping off the rim. Taking into account the Cadet's excellent performance, I started with long cuts, and indeed slipped. Then I advanced with shorter cuts, and the slipping went away. It seems that, at least some slips were caused by the flathead contacting the can lid, and it being blunt, prying the edge out out of the can when I did not expect it to. Making shorter cuts helped keep the flathead out of the way and make the process consistent, with no slipping.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
(https://i.imgur.com/xri8ItS.jpg)
Victorinox SwissChamp
Identical can opener to the D. Tinker's. Having used the Tinker before it, I knew what had to be done, and went straight with shorter cuts than I would have. No slipping occurred, just a nice, consistent cut.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
(https://i.imgur.com/HR2Gr4m.jpg?2)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 26, 2018, 12:41:28 PM
Essentially the same can opener yet again, this was easy enough to deal with. My technique is far from perfect or fast, but I managed to stay on the can. It helps that this is sharp, and extremely ergonomic. Despite its width compared to the D. Tinker, this is just as nice in the hand. And now that it does not slip on me anymore, I like it even more. I still need to be a bit mindful to keep on the cut, and probably could have afforded slightly longer cuts, judging by the mostly bending I did at the end.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
(https://i.imgur.com/eNrGgq0.jpg)
Gerber MP400
The same basic design, but not as sharp. More of a bender than a cutter, especially compared to the sharper Victorinox quarter-circle. Nothing wrong with it, though. It still punches easily through the lid, and despite the pliers tips sticking out of one end, and the buttons from the sides, this is very nice in the hand. My thumb was on the locking tab, nice and wide surface, and nothing dug into my hand or fingers. You would not think it would be this comfortable, but it is, at least in my hand. I would have preferred a sharper edge on this, but it is still excellent, and the edges it leaves behind are not jagged or pointy. And if I go slow, I do not slip off the rim.
No flathead on this, so maybe the reason for slipping with the Victorinox can openers was not the flathead after all. It might have contributed a little, but I think I can blame my technique. How close I cut to the rim, how deep I push the edge, how much of the edge I retract, how I advance the edge and hook to perform the next cut. Nevertheless, the result remains. These punch through easily, are great in the hand, do not jam into the lid at all, and do consistent, smooth cuts, and you can manage not to slip. Even if you do, you'll still open the can with no issues. I might slip every now and then, but I see no reason to deduct a point for what seems like an error solely on my side, rather than the tools being used, which are, after all, proven to be very effective and dependable.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
(https://i.imgur.com/Sl8WOJR.jpg?2)
Post by: Nix on July 26, 2018, 02:09:35 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on August 09, 2018, 10:12:50 AM
Retesting some quarter-circles, the Victorinox OHO Trekker (liner-lock), Fireman (liner-lock), and Farmer, and also using the Sportsman, to compare to the Cadet.
(https://i.imgur.com/aM77a9r.jpg)
Post by: ReamerPunch on August 09, 2018, 10:27:47 AM
Like others before it, this lost a point to slipping. Also, I discovered that the cans I used had a feature which interfered with my quarter-circle technique that I had not fully anticipated. The cans have a paper label, that may get in the way of the hook. Not a whole lot, but enough to allow the hook to slip off. This was not an issue with claws, which you have to pull backwards on the rim. With the quarter-circles being pushed forward, and watching closely, some interesting events took place. Sometimes the hook pushed against the paper label, fold the label, creating a tiny ramp that facilitated the slippage. In other cases the hook ripped the label if the label extended over the rim, giving in to the force and slipping off. A few times the hook was simply unable to fold/tear the label enough to move forward, so I had to unhook the whole thing and re-adjust it to move forward.
When the label was not such a drama queen I managed to cut through the lid with ease, without slipping off or anything.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
(https://i.imgur.com/BDmOwci.jpg?2)
Victorinox OHO Trekker (liner-lock)
As above, minus a point for the blade spine protruding from the frame.
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 9
(https://i.imgur.com/06rdJ5p.jpg?2)
Post by: ReamerPunch on August 09, 2018, 10:38:14 AM
The same yet again. I can cut consistently, and having the label get in the way should not be considered enough to warrant deducting a point. Also this is great in the hand.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
(https://i.imgur.com/U1A4y7H.jpg?2)
Victorinox Sportsman
Having tested the Cadet, and witnessing one of the best can openers so far, I was curious whether a cellidor 84mm model could perform equally. It did. This is the same design of can opener as the larger models, but slightly smaller. The Cadet is thinner than this, but I found that the blade dug into my palm more with the Sportsman. Your experiences may vary with these small knives, but their can openers are superb. I will give the Sportsman the full 2 points for comfort, since its blade is small and while it does protrude, it is also small and not that uncomfortable.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
(https://i.imgur.com/Tna72to.jpg?2)
Post by: Sawl Goodman on August 15, 2018, 11:28:06 AM
I always use a Vic SAK can opener wherever I need a can opened. Once the technique is mastered (doesn't take long) you can do a quick clean job and will trust no others. 8)
Post by: GOAT Tools on August 17, 2018, 12:02:20 AM
Do any of you have a general preference for the blade facing inward or outward of the hook?
Post by: ReamerPunch on August 17, 2018, 09:34:11 AM
Wow! Comprehensive. :salute:
I always use a Vic SAK can opener wherever I need a can opened. Once the technique is mastered (doesn't take long) you can do a quick clean job and will trust no others. 8)
Thanks! :tu:
Yes, Victorinox makes some mean openers. Which is why so many companies have adopted the quarter-circle. But the Vics are the sharpest around.
Post by: ReamerPunch on August 17, 2018, 09:39:26 AM
Amazing write-up! Thank you for taking the time to organize, plan, and test all of these!
Do any of you have a general preference for the blade facing inward or outward of the hook?
Thanks and welcome to the forum! :cheers:
As I have said, I personally prefer going backwards, with a claw. With a Leatherman, there is no learning curve. I bet I could do it with my eyes closed.
But there's a lot of people who prefer a quarter-circle, and go forward.
As long as it's a good tool, with a good can opener, it'll work.
Post by: ReamerPunch on August 19, 2018, 06:49:05 AM
If you are left-handed, a few questions.
1. Have you ever opened a can with a multi-tool/sak? Did you use your right hand? Was it awkward but doable?
2. Maybe you have a Leatherman and a SAK, and a can. What would easier to use with your right hand?
3. Maybe you also have a BuckTool. Its can opener is at a better position to be used left-handed. How would that compare to using a Leatherman claw with your right hand?
Post by: ReamerPunch on August 19, 2018, 01:26:21 PM
Also, I will go through a whole can, instead of just a portion. That will be a little more realistic, and hopefully provide more accurate results.
I have gone through whole cans with Victorinox and Leatherman models, and there is not doubt in my mind that you will be able to open a can with them. Realistically, losing a point for comfort, jamming, or slipping off the rim makes little difference. The main thing is cutting, and to a lesser extent, piercing. Having nice, rounded handles and not jamming at all means little, when you cannot cut through the can lid, or if you make jagged, messy cuts or even metal shavings that may end up in your food.
For the Charge, say, losing a point to comfort is insignificant. You will get a great cut, no sharp edges or shrapnel, and the tiny amount of discomfort from its protruding blade spine will be forgotten within seconds. Even if you slip with the Victorinox Spirit, it makes no difference. You'll get a nice, clean cut, thanks to its great edge, which also allow you to continue on the same cut.
Post by: ReamerPunch on August 19, 2018, 01:29:41 PM
Having greatly improved with quarter-circles, I started with the Coast LED Pocket Pliers. In its initial testing, it only scored two for comfort and another two for not jamming. Pretty terrible.
Having gone through a whole can with it, it remains terrible.
It did not jam at all, and this time, it did not slip either.
Cutting was difficult. It started fine, but I quickly noticed how blunt the blade is. Instead of cutting right next to the rim, every now and then the edge slid away a little before cutting, messing up the angle of the cut. It is so blunt that I could not just power through the messed up cut and continue. I had to abandon the cut that strayed away, and start a new cut after it. When the edge diverged from its route, sliding away from the rim, it bent the tiny part between the two cuts, making it impossible to cut. Pushing the can opener edge against the tiny uncut part resulted in breaking it, whereas a sharp quarter-circle would have gone straight through it.
As for comfort, it got only one point in this test, compared to the two it got in the first test. Going through the whole can with a can opener this blunt is very awkward and unpleasant. The handles are nicely rounded off, but due to its blunt edge, I had to exert considerable force to cut, and by the time I was done, my thumb and hand were not at all happy about it.
At least, it did not create a mess or steel shavings that would end up in my food.
In conclusion, it is pretty bad. Why you would have only this with you is beyond me, but even so, you'd eventually open the can. Go slow, be mindful of where the edge is going, and be patient.
0 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
0 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 5
(https://i.imgur.com/ER8OjfL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/px3GD7o.jpg)
Post by: ReamerPunch on August 24, 2018, 04:53:10 PM
Original attempt
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BuckTool
Barely able to hook onto the rim, due to bad placement. It was a chore to keep it on the rim, and impossible to cut consistently. Very jagged cut, creating burrs and sharp edges.
I might as well have used a blade, Phillips, or flathead, with arguably better results. At least it locks, so no jamming.
1 point for punching through.
0 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
0 for cutting.
0 for not slipping.
Total: 3
(https://i.imgur.com/uVZgdof.jpg?2)
Barely able to hook onto the rim, due to bad placement. It was a chore to keep it on the rim, and impossible to cut consistently. Very jagged cut, creating burrs and sharp edges.
I might as well have used a blade, Phillips, or flathead, with arguably better results. At least it locks, so no jamming.
1 point for punching through.
0 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
0 for cutting.
0 for not slipping.
Total: 3
(https://i.imgur.com/uVZgdof.jpg?2)
Left-handed
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BuckTool (left-handed)
Seeing how badly they placed the can opener on this, it almost looks like a left-handed can opener. Having used it right-handed, with terrible results, I thought I'd try left-handed.
A bit awkward to use the non-dominant hand, but it worked. Despite the awkwardness, slipping, jamming, and ghost cuts, it eventually worked, and much better than with my right hand.
2 points for punching through. It hooks better onto the rim, since it is more to the right of the handle than to the left.
1 for comfort. The handles are nicely rounded, but then again, so is a pencil. It does not mean I can write with my left hand.
1 for not jamming. The nail-nick kept getting caught on the remnants of the edge on the wall of the can.
1 for cutting. Not every push yielded a cut. It kept slipping and jamming, delaying an already frustrating process.
1 for not slipping.
Total: 6
(https://i.imgur.com/TNWChbn.jpg?2)
Seeing how badly they placed the can opener on this, it almost looks like a left-handed can opener. Having used it right-handed, with terrible results, I thought I'd try left-handed.
A bit awkward to use the non-dominant hand, but it worked. Despite the awkwardness, slipping, jamming, and ghost cuts, it eventually worked, and much better than with my right hand.
2 points for punching through. It hooks better onto the rim, since it is more to the right of the handle than to the left.
1 for comfort. The handles are nicely rounded, but then again, so is a pencil. It does not mean I can write with my left hand.
1 for not jamming. The nail-nick kept getting caught on the remnants of the edge on the wall of the can.
1 for cutting. Not every push yielded a cut. It kept slipping and jamming, delaying an already frustrating process.
1 for not slipping.
Total: 6
(https://i.imgur.com/TNWChbn.jpg?2)
Right-handed, left side
I tried using it with my right hand (dominant hand), but going backwards anti-clockwise, since the positioning of the can opener seems to favor that side.
(https://i.imgur.com/DToYsjf.jpg)
I intended to go full circle, but it could not be done.
First of all, I had to unfold the bottom handle, because when closed it prevented the hook from grabbing the rim.
Every other cut, I slipped off the rim, banging my finger on the can.
Most motions did not yield a cut. Instead of following a previous cut, the can opener just slid against the cut and did nothing but frustrate me.
When I did manage to make a cut, the can opener was prone to jamming, and it was relatively easy to retrieve only due to it being locking.
1 point for punching through.
0 for comfort.
0 for not jamming.
0 for cutting.
0 for not slipping.
Total: 1
(https://i.imgur.com/gHng6L1.jpg?2)
Post by: Wspeed on August 24, 2018, 05:31:32 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on August 24, 2018, 05:36:37 PM
Left-handed - Second attempt
Using the BuckTool with the right hand but on the left-handed side of the can was deeply unpleasant. Considering that the can opener placement favors the left-hand, I decided to once again shed the shackles of convention and instinct, and use it left-handed, on the left side.
(https://i.imgur.com/B5nLrtJ.jpg)
Near the end, the rim bent (where the can opener is pointing), and the hook was unable to stay put.
(https://i.imgur.com/h4Xe9rm.jpg)
With some effort I managed to continue the cut.
(https://i.imgur.com/lxluPjJ.jpg)
Look at the filings it created. Imagine those ending up in your food. Imagine how many did not stick on the can opener.
(https://i.imgur.com/RLIH640.jpg)
The lid edge was extremely jagged at the end.
(https://i.imgur.com/voH7Vub.jpg)
Using your non-dominant hand is awkward, to say the least. I also had to open one handle, in order to get the hook to actually hook on the rim. The can opener kept jamming, and slipping off, and some pushes did not result in a cut. Even when they did, the cut is messy, with sharp points and jagged edges, plus sharp metal filings that will certainly take their toll.
Will you manage to open the can? Yes, eventually. I would not consume any edibles out of it, though.
I may revisit the marvelous BuckTool can opener in the future, but I will keep my expectations low.
1 point for punching through.
0 for comfort.
1 for not jamming.
0 for cutting.
0 for not slipping.
Total: 2
It is a shame the BuckTool was discontinued so long ago. I wish I had the chance to visit the Buck booth at Shot Show, hand them a BuckTool and a can, ask for a demonstration, and watch as they mangled the can. It is astonishing how a top brand multi-tool got the can opener so wrong. Did no one test it? Is that not part of the development of a tool? Did it not occur to anyone that maybe it should be tested before approval? And keep in mind that the PST got a perfect 10. Now that's a can opener.
Post by: ReamerPunch on August 24, 2018, 05:50:21 PM
Excellent testing RP :popcorn: :like: :like:
Thanks! :cheers:
You know what? I'll try the BuckTool once more, going full circle on the can, right-handed, on the right side, as "intended" :rofl:
I hope when I'm done I have all my fingers.
(https://i.imgur.com/uVZgdof.jpg?2)
Post by: ReamerPunch on August 28, 2018, 03:02:40 PM
right-handed (whole can)
I have gotten a lot of mileage out of this can opener. Not in a good way, admittedly.
This time, I tried it "properly". That is, right-handed, on the right side of the can, going clock-wise, full circle on a can.
One handle had to be unfolded for better positioning on the can, as the can opener barely hooks on the rim.
Having the can opener this far to the right in the handle throws off the orientation of the cutting edge. Instead of following the curvature of the rim, the BuckTool can opener cuts at the wrong angle, making it very difficult to continue on a previous cut. It quickly created metal filings that did not look particularly appetizing.
(https://i.imgur.com/IbWDoc0.jpg)
The hook is supposed to provide leverage when pushing the edge against the lid. In this case, the leverage was far less compared to other can openers. To compensate and actually manage to cut, I had to exert a lot of force, making my hand hurt, in addition to constantly slipping off the can. At least it did not jam.
Three fourths of the way, and I am not pleased, to say the least. Lots of shrapnel, constant slipping, a sore hand, and a very frustrating journey along the lid, as I had to almost fight the can opener to get it to follow a previous cut.
(https://i.imgur.com/YzZOA5C.jpg)
Near the end, the lid will be pushed into your food as you try to cut. This never happened with the good can openers. A Leatherman claw or a Victorinox quarter-circle would have kept cutting easily, without pushing the lid inwards. The BuckTool will, and probably get even more metal filings in there in the process.
(https://i.imgur.com/XhTTpud.jpg?2)
The end result was a sore hand, a lot of sharp metal filings, and a very jagged edge.
(https://i.imgur.com/xq4nEMj.jpg)
He doesn't look happy about it either.
(https://i.imgur.com/gcU2oqh.jpg)
This is not the can opener you are looking for.
(https://i.imgur.com/5A7uXOn.jpg)
I would highly recommend using something else to open a can. It is not just a matter of ease of use. If you open a can with this, consuming the food will be dangerous.
I am amazed at how badly this performed. How on Earth did Buck not recall these within a week of release?
(https://i.imgur.com/JrXO1ln.jpg)
1 point for punching through.
0 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
-10 for cutting.
0 for not slipping.
Total: -7
Post by: Nix on August 28, 2018, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: Aloha on August 28, 2018, 04:54:11 PM
I am a fan of the Victorinox can opener and use them often enough. Some cans do have the pull tab but a good many dont. I like the forward style vs Wenger style opening. Its probably familiarity. I must have tried the LM opener but nothing negative or positive comes to mind. I am certainly happier using the Vic opener for now.
Post by: Aloha on August 28, 2018, 04:54:39 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on August 30, 2018, 06:05:57 PM
Original attempt
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Schrade USA Tough Tool
One handle has to be unfolded, otherwise it is impossible to use. It kept jamming and folding. Very poor cutting as well.
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
0 for not jamming.
0 for cutting.
1 for not slipping.
Total: 4
(https://i.imgur.com/pGAJGeF.jpg?2)
One handle has to be unfolded, otherwise it is impossible to use. It kept jamming and folding. Very poor cutting as well.
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
0 for not jamming.
0 for cutting.
1 for not slipping.
Total: 4
(https://i.imgur.com/pGAJGeF.jpg?2)
Second attempt (whole can):
Opening an entire can with this was a very different experience than doing the few cuts I did in the original test.
Going full circle with this was not particularly pleasant. Very doable, but not something I'd look forward to, now that I've done it.
The edge is extremely blunt, with an almost non-existent bevel. Also, due to the implements opening the way they do, one handle has to be unfolded in order to use the can opener.
(https://i.imgur.com/fmwG99z.jpg)
With one handle open, you are left with the weight of the other handle hanging out of the back or your palm. On almost all other can openers, the entire multi-tool will be in your hand, with only the can opener protruding. On the Tough Tool, this arrangement of handles creates an awkward counter-weight, working against you until the can is opened. In addition to this, the handle you will have to hold on is not the standard straight handle of a multi-tool, but a weird one, with many hotspots.
(https://i.imgur.com/1EqCZo3.jpg)
Holding the other handle for an extended reach eliminated the awkward imbalance, but having the can opener so far away from your grip sacrifices too much control, which is very much needed for a can opener this blunt.
(https://i.imgur.com/6Uyhq8V.jpg)
Near the end the lid will be pushed inwards. Not a surprise given how blunt the claw edge is.
(https://i.imgur.com/jUed0zt.jpg)
The edge is so blunt that additional force is required in order to get it to actually cut. I would either support the can opener spine with my thumb, which was painful, or just rest my thumb below the can opener, on the flat, wide handle. No issues with my thumb there, but my pinky was pressing against the pivot area of the handle, which has quite thin edges.
(https://i.imgur.com/nC9DrG7.jpg)
Cutting was as poor as expected. An unsightly combination of pushing and bending the lid, it created many sharp points and edges, rolling the lid here and there.
(https://i.imgur.com/BTNCPPA.jpg)
About half the edge of this claw is usable. Thanks to the claw's slight taper, the first half of the edge, though blunt, is thin, and able to pierce and cut somewhat effectively. Going beyond that, the edge is so wide that it does not cut, and requires a lot of force to bend the lid. I found it easier to just do half-length cuts, and spare my hand the pain.
(https://i.imgur.com/ROeQSZY.jpg)
Often, instead of the hook providing leverage to the claw, and have the claw cut, the opposite happened. The claw is so blunt that it provided enough leverage for the hook to slip off the rim.
(https://i.imgur.com/eFTNK0o.jpg)
I do not know if I would recommend this one. It will get the job done eventually, though the process will be unpleasant and the result inelegant.
(https://i.imgur.com/DkPoEwL.jpg)
Interestingly, this time the claw did not get stuck in the lid, like in my original testing. So there's that.
1 point for punching through.
0 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
0 for cutting.
1 for not slipping.
Total: 4
Post by: Wspeed on August 30, 2018, 06:31:18 PM
wonder if any metal bits fell in the can :think:
Post by: ReamerPunch on September 01, 2018, 09:36:06 AM
This is the standard locking Leatherman claw, also found in the Surge, Charge, Rebar etc. Pierced the lid like a pro, and cut beautifully, leaving nice, smooth edges behind, with absolutely no jamming or slipping. A point had to be deducted due to the blade spines protruding a little. Realistically it makes no difference, but then again, there are other tools, like the Rebar, which feel even better in hand. Still, the Wave felt somewhat better in hand than the Charge, probably due to the Charge being slightly thicker.
2 point for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 9
(https://i.imgur.com/wGB3ez0.jpg)
Post by: ReamerPunch on September 01, 2018, 09:42:46 AM
That looks a nasty cut on that can I
wonder if any metal bits fell in the can :think:
Seemingly not, but I can see it happening. I am a little concerned that my ToughTool had an unfinished can opener edge. There is almost no bevel to it at all. :think:
Not as bad as the BuckTool, though. I wonder how many people have opened a can with it. Surely there are others.
If anyone has a BuckTool and a can laying around, I'd be delighted to compare notes. But don't eat the shrapnel. :facepalm:
Post by: Nix on September 01, 2018, 02:58:17 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on September 01, 2018, 03:49:41 PM
You made that cut look quite expert. I'm impressed by the even and smooth cuts.
:hatsoff:
I was not trying to make a nice cut. That was just rocking the multi-tool up and down, and spinning the can. Very natural movements, and I did not have to compensate for, or adjust to anything, like weird balance, awkward grip, slipping, going off kilter.
That's just how the Leatherman claw performs. Every tool that has that can opener, Rebar, Signal, Surge, Charge, etc, they'll all do a fantastic job.
Post by: Wspeed on September 01, 2018, 03:53:57 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on September 01, 2018, 04:00:03 PM
Very well done. :salute:
I am a fan of the Victorinox can opener and use them often enough. Some cans do have the pull tab but a good many dont. I like the forward style vs Wenger style opening. Its probably familiarity. I must have tried the LM opener but nothing negative or positive comes to mind. I am certainly happier using the Vic opener for now.
I liked how easy the process was with the Cadet. Once I managed not to slip, Victorinox was just as good. I can't say I am used to one or the other, so for me it comes down to ease of use. Leatherman and Vic, both are great. I tested the Coast quarter-circle, and it did not go well. I'll test the Gerber on an entire can.
I do like the claw a little more. There is no learning curce with a Leatherman claw, which is why I like it the most. Wenger claws were also great once I identified the technique quirk. The Schrade kinda worked. I also liked the Bear and Son one, so I'll open a whole can with that one too. And the Ganzo. The BuckTool, well, that's in a league of its own.
I'll also revisit the Juice, Safari Hunter, and Bantam. I am a bit curious if the combo tools will hold their own.
Post by: ReamerPunch on September 09, 2018, 09:53:40 AM
I thought I'd eliminate one blade spine digging into my fingers, by opening one handle. This configuration brings the inside edges of the handle against your fingers. Although quite comfortable, this means that you will be holding on half the tool.
I have large size hands, and I found that having only one handle in my palm while opening the can was not preferable. Instead, having both handles folded up fills my palm better, giving me a better grip, causing less fatigue, and providing better control of the tool. Holding on one handle might be better for smaller hands.
Also, if you only hold onto one handle, the other will hang through the back of your hand. Of course, these are afterthoughts, as the can opener is a great performer. The process will be easy and consistent, with a clean cut, so whichever way you end up holding the tool is up to personal preference.
(https://i.imgur.com/CZrm8Y6.jpg)
Post by: ReamerPunch on November 28, 2018, 05:39:35 PM
Original attempt
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Juice
0 points for punching through. The piercing point is blunt and not at the best angle to punch through.
1 for comfort. The edges dig into my hands, and so does the corkscrew. This is the old design, so maybe now it's better?
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 7
(https://i.imgur.com/Upv42M6.jpg?2)
Entire can
Going full circle on a can was a similar experience to the original attempt. The edge has no bevel, making the piercing point blunt. It might have performed better if the point met the can lid at a better angle, but as it is, piercing through takes a significant amount of force, compared to a sharpened claw or quarter-circle.
Going full circle made even more evident how average the ergonomics are. The corkscrew reminded me of SOG gears digging into my hand, and though not as bad, it was more uncomfortable than the Wave/Charge blade spine.
Compared to the original attempt, it lost a point for cutting. That is mainly because it does not exactly cut. With a sharpened can opener, be it a Leatherman claw or a Victorinox quarter-circle, you can feel the edge cutting through the lid. The Juice's blunt edge just pushes the lid downwards, and being rigid, the lid just tears along the previous 'cut'. However, it is quite effective, thanks to the great hook which holds onto the rim, and the edge being at a good position to trace around the lid. If it were sharper, it would have been better, but it still works. Also it left a sharp edge behind, both on the can and on the lid. No surprises there, considering the lid was essentially broken off instead of cut.
Absolutely no slipping or jamming as well.
0 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
1 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 6
(https://i.imgur.com/S35D8RB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/7qnDaTm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/isMT7Af.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UHUIzY0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZTPKdb3.jpg)
Post by: ReamerPunch on January 28, 2019, 07:49:10 AM
I do not know how I feel about this. :think:
The standard LM claw is excellent, why did they go with the quarter-circle for the Free series?
(https://i.imgur.com/qKbwbMr.jpg)
Post by: ddogu on January 28, 2019, 12:04:20 PM
Nobody needs a can opener when you have pavements! :viking:
Post by: ReamerPunch on January 28, 2019, 12:18:54 PM
Is the food safe to eat after all that grinding?
Post by: Vidar on January 28, 2019, 05:01:07 PM
Well, you can free space on your Zombie Survival Kit and not include a can opener or use an MT or SAK without one. Because: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhT7VNRFkx4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhT7VNRFkx4)
Nobody needs a can opener when you have pavements! :viking:
Or alternatively like the resident female savage of the household: "I didn't need a can opener. I just borrowed one of your knives instead". :ahhh I told her she could keep the knife as a gift - no need to return it. She then commented that an unsharp knife with chipped edges wasn't much of a gift..! ::)
Post by: Wspeed on January 28, 2019, 05:09:28 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on August 31, 2019, 08:07:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj0hU0uDy9E
Post by: comis on September 01, 2019, 10:04:21 AM
As is this. :like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj0hU0uDy9E
Such a good video, very interesting technique! Thanks for sharing!
Post by: pomsbz on September 01, 2019, 10:32:04 AM
Post by: comis on September 01, 2019, 12:24:25 PM
I've never had much luck with the quarter circle forward opening Victorinox over the rear opening LM Claw which I vastly prefer. The Vic keeps jamming up. It's also considerably slower and leaves a more jagged edge inside the can. No doubt I'm doing something wrong but I get no brainer perfect results with the LM. Can anyone point me towards the correct procedure to use the quarter circle more efficiently? Or am I just hamfisted? :D
I don't know whether there's a right way to it. I actually use it backwards and it's faster for me, meaning holding it in right hand, I rotate the can counter-clockwise. Have you tried counter-clockwise vs clockwise?
Post by: ReamerPunch on September 01, 2019, 03:14:12 PM
I've never had much luck with the quarter circle forward opening Victorinox over the rear opening LM Claw which I vastly prefer. The Vic keeps jamming up. It's also considerably slower and leaves a more jagged edge inside the can. No doubt I'm doing something wrong but I get no brainer perfect results with the LM. Can anyone point me towards the correct procedure to use the quarter circle more efficiently? Or am I just hamfisted? :D
I also had some trouble with the Victorinox one at first. I kept slipping off the can, and the edge will be a little jagged until you get good with it.
Check the video I posted above. He shows the regular process starting at 1:11. It is just a matter of getting used to it, and improving your results I think.
That is why I prefer the Leatherman claw. There is no learning curve. Perfect easy results every time.
Post by: gerleatherberman on September 26, 2019, 07:37:04 AM
I also started playing with the different styles and found the LM claw to be the easiest and most consistent in cutting the tops out of soda cans(a lot of can openers just can't do it at all) and regular cans. I do like having the driver tip on the Vic though. So they kind of even out in a way. :)
Post by: ReamerPunch on October 22, 2019, 10:19:36 AM
0 points for punching through.
0 for comfort.
0 for not jamming.
-5 for cutting.
-5 for not slipping.
Total: -10
(https://i.imgur.com/NSBx2y5.jpg)
Punching through is difficult. The edge is blunt and the tip is rounded off. The left edge of the hook, the edge that would grab on the rim, is rounded off. On a proper can opener, the hook has a 90° edge, so that the can opener holds onto the lip, which provides the necessary leverage for the tip to pierce. On this, the hook just slips off with the slightest force applied to the edge. It takes a considerable amount of force to pierce, all the while being careful to keep the can opener in place.
This makes the whole process an ordeal. For right-handed use, it was difficult to pierce, and impossible to continue on the initial cut. Left-handed is marginally better, since the right edge of the hook has a 90° edge and holds onto the rim.
(https://i.imgur.com/fClD7tg.jpg)
Cutting left-handed was difficult and awkward, as I am right-handed. Tracing along is painful, since the cutting edge is more of a breaking edge.
(https://i.imgur.com/FHaeU55.jpg?1)
Blunt as it could be, the edge slid along the rim, and there is no piercing point to speak of. I had to constantly adjust positioning, and reached about a quarter of the rim. After many tries to continue cutting/breaking the rim, it would not cut along beyond that point.
(https://i.imgur.com/gDHwODM.jpg)
It took so much force to cut, that I bent the tiny rod that provides retention. Now the can opener has play when deployed. Not a big issue. Why would I deploy the can opener? It cannot open cans. If I want to get a sore hand, and mangle a can, I'll just punch the can.
(https://i.imgur.com/KuvYBC2.jpg?1)
After five minutes of battling the can with the wrong tool and losing, I switched to the Leatherman Core. Just a few seconds, and I cut easily, painlessly, effortlessly, consistently, and effectively around the rim, never slipping off, going through mangled spots with no issues, until the can was nicely opened.
(https://i.imgur.com/YToVOQz.jpg?1)
The Flagship Pro's can opener did not even survive a quarter of one can lid. :rant: Left-handed, since right-handed I could only do a single cut. :rofl:
What a joke of an implement. What an insult to release this tool with such a terrible can mangler. Is testing not a part of the development process? :think:
Is it really that difficult to try and open a can before you release it? I tried one can and the retention rod bent. I had not even opened one single can! :facepalm:
The can opener on this tool is a waste of space. Beyond unreliable to open a can. Too bad.
Post by: Wspeed on October 22, 2019, 01:26:31 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on October 22, 2019, 02:49:26 PM
Great tests again RP :like: :tu:
Thanks buddy! :cheers:
Post by: ReamerPunch on October 22, 2019, 02:51:25 PM
Note that diezelle has the updated version, with the can opener in the proper position and sharpened properly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSwvD1lU7gs
Post by: ReamerPunch on October 31, 2019, 01:28:29 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/KH5aVms.jpg)
This is the updated version of the original Storm. The can opener is now positioned properly, in addition to being sharpened. And it shows. It punched through extremely easily. It lost a point to comfort due to the ruler's 90° edge. It never jammed or slipped off the rim, not even once. It also had to lose a point because, while tracing around the rim is consistent and easy, it leaves behind a sharp edge.
In the original the can opener was too deep in the handle to engage properly on the can's lid. It is therefore unclear whether they imagined the can opener moving forwards, like a quarter-circle, or backwards, like a claw. Seeing how the cutting edge faces forwards, one would think that it would operate like a quarter-circle. It can, but it was much easier to go backwards on the lid.
It is nice to see that Roxon listened to feedback and fixed the can opener. Despite the ruler's edge and the sharp edges you will leave behind, it opens cans just as fast as the best can openers, creates no shrapnel, does not push the lid inwards, and does not slip or jam. Not a bad choice at all, which is good, when you take into account that the tool also has a great cap lifter and corkscrew with leverage arm.
(https://i.imgur.com/dqIjDEn.jpg)
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
1 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 8
Post by: Wspeed on October 31, 2019, 01:30:58 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on November 01, 2019, 02:35:57 AM
Post by: ReamerPunch on November 28, 2019, 09:23:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/aloXG9a.jpg?1)
A locking quarter-circle, properly positioned to hook on the rim.
Initial piercing was extremely easy. Comfort took a small hit, due to some sharp edges, but nothing we have not seen even with premium multi-tools.
The Phillips screwdriver tip acted as a stop, preventing the can opener from sinking in too deep in the lid. As the cutting edge made a cut, the screwdriver tip will meet the lid, signifying that the cutting edge has ran out and it is time to advance to the next cut. This unintentional feature lends itself to cutting consistently, every cut being equal in length.
While tracing around the lid is easy, sometimes the rim will bend and you will not be able to continue on a previous cut. It was necessary to pierce ahead and then connect the two cuts. Nothing time consuming or difficult, just an extra little step to get the can opened, if you happen to bend the rim.
The lid was not pushed in the can, and it did not create any shrapnel. Some sharp points were left behind, but otherwise a quick, easy job, with some minor discomfort, no slipping and no jamming. Not a bad choice at all, which is refreshing to see in a budget multi-tool that went with the quarter-circle.
(https://i.imgur.com/NKx0DyB.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/qX3IEJa.jpg)
2 points for punching through.
1 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
1 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 8
Post by: ReamerPunch on November 28, 2019, 11:55:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/WKpXINM.jpg)
Post by: Wspeed on November 28, 2019, 01:12:30 PM
Post by: ElevenBlade on November 29, 2019, 12:50:33 AM
So now that Leatherman has a quarter-circle, all big four brands have a quarter-circle.
I do not know how I feel about this. :think:
The standard LM claw is excellent, why did they go with the quarter-circle for the Free series?
(https://i.imgur.com/qKbwbMr.jpg)
Interesting - and the cap lifter is on the Phillips. The combo cap lifter can opener on the Wave was adequate for both, but great for neither application when I used it extensively several years ago.
Maybe the change is because people use the cap lifter more often than the can opener, so they wanted a better design on that? There's an AMA on another thread, or Reddit, with the Leatherman engineers. It might be worth an ask.
I always root for the claw for opening cans, even though I have used a SAK with a quarter circle every time in the last decade for this task. I find it easier to pull than to push, and find myself cutting around a can in sections just to be able to pull in a clockwise direction with the SAK.
Post by: ElevenBlade on November 29, 2019, 02:52:16 AM
Post by: ReamerPunch on November 29, 2019, 08:09:52 AM
Interesting - and the cap lifter is on the Phillips. The combo cap lifter can opener on the Wave was adequate for both, but great for neither application when I used it extensively several years ago.
Welcome to the forum! :cheers:
But I will have to disagree. The Wave has a great combo opener. For cans, it is the best I have used. No learning curve. Perfect shape and execution to open a can, with no sharp edges left behind. Give it to someone who has never used a multi-tool or SAK can opener. They'll open it perfectly. Give them a SAK and watch them struggle. The locking Leatherman claw is a flawless design for can openers. You can open cans blindfolded and still get perfect results.
For bottles, it works. It is not perfect, but if you place it correctly and open the bottle in a controlled motion, you won't pierce the cap and get it off the bottle in one motion.
Post by: ReamerPunch on November 29, 2019, 08:20:06 AM
If only there was some way you could get your hands on this ...
I love a good claw. :dd:
Post by: ReamerPunch on December 05, 2019, 11:51:18 AM
Right-handed
0 points.
Yet again, the can opener is placed too far right in the handle for it to function properly.
This would definitely work well if it swapped positions with the serrated rescue blade.
What a pity.
(https://i.imgur.com/MeKSi4k.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uCtRGRQ.jpg?1)
Post by: Outback in Idaho on December 05, 2019, 12:10:36 PM
Took Leatherman many decades to make a push can opener that is on some of their Free series. Have you tested one of those yet? Will have to reverse browse to see. Though the rest of the tool I'm not sold on. Magnets? Really??
Miss the Flair I had. While it was not the best can opener when compared for speed, it did make a clean cut and nary a splinter left behind. I do miss it. It however lacked a file. Keep hoping it will show up. No idea where it went walkabout at. Came home and it was missing from the sheath. :cry:
Post by: Wspeed on December 05, 2019, 12:18:26 PM
test the tools they put on them ???
If they did they would of known that
they can opener is in the wrong place :facepalm:
Post by: Outback in Idaho on December 05, 2019, 12:29:43 PM
So now that Leatherman has a quarter-circle, all big four brands have a quarter-circle.
I do not know how I feel about this. :think:
The standard LM claw is excellent, why did they go with the quarter-circle for the Free series?
(https://i.imgur.com/qKbwbMr.jpg)
Not so excellent on cheaper quality cans. They leave splinters behind on the outer areas of the can where one uses their hands for gripping. Fruit cans seems to be the worst, from no-name to basic bargain brands.
Have you tried one of them old fogy type can openers that go from the side? Do not recall seeing anyone actually posting photos or a video of them being used. :dunno:
Post by: ElevenBlade on December 05, 2019, 02:14:38 PM
Bibury 31 in 1/Grand Harvest GHK2
Right-handed
0 points.
Yet again, the can opener is placed too far right in the handle for it to function properly.
This would definitely work well if it swapped positions with the serrated rescue blade.
What a pity.
(https://i.imgur.com/MeKSi4k.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uCtRGRQ.jpg?1)
:facepalm: perhaps you could send a friendly email to the company with those pictures - thats a very basic design flaw they should have considered.
Post by: ReamerPunch on December 06, 2019, 09:32:48 AM
:facepalm: perhaps you could send a friendly email to the company with those pictures - thats a very basic design flaw they should have considered.
if I were to send an email with every flaw of that multi-tool, the text would be two pages long. :facepalm:
Post by: Outback in Idaho on December 06, 2019, 10:07:14 AM
if I were to send an email with every flaw of that multi-tool, the text would be two pages long. :facepalm:
:rofl:
Post by: ReamerPunch on December 11, 2019, 01:06:57 PM
if I were to send an email with every flaw of that multi-tool, the text would be two pages long. :facepalm:
Maybe more than two pages. Full review:
Grand Harvest GHK2 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,83480.0.html)
Post by: ReamerPunch on December 11, 2019, 01:31:13 PM
Left-handed
0 points.
The can opener is still too far deep in the handle to hook onto the rim. It is marginally better than right-handed, as it will barely hook onto, instead of not hooking on at all.
As awkward as it is for a right-handed person to try and use this abomination left-handed, it does not stop there. As it barely hooks onto the rim, the cutting orientation is thrown off.
Initial piercing is comically bad. First you have to get the can opener to hook and find a proper spot to pierce, which is itself tedious. Actually punching through is not easy, despite having a decently sharpened edge. The cutting angle will be off, the ergonomics are bad, it is left-handed, it can slip off at any minute, and it is not piercing as close to the rim as possible. Everything combined to make the first cut a very frustrating experience.
Advancing from one cut to the next is also not easy. All issues present in the initial cut will apply to all cuts. Due to the force required to keep the can opener in place, so it does not slip, the rim may bend inwards, interfering even more with the cutting orientation. After the second or third cut, it was impossible to continue on the same route. I had to start with a new initial piercing.
If you have the time, patience, and like pain or have gloves on, you could actually open the can. The cutting edge is sharp and will not create shrapnel.
Using this was interesting. The shape is fine, the edge is actually sharpened, and the hook is also well shaped to theoretically grab onto the rim. As good as it looks, it is yet another example of companies just going with a shape that seems it would work, but not actually using it to see if it it will work.
(https://i.imgur.com/p7BqY9T.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/jYQmJNN.jpg?1)
Post by: ReamerPunch on December 11, 2019, 01:37:50 PM
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Roxon Storm
Out of the box, the can opener was unable to hook onto the rim. Ergonomics, sharpness, ease of use, nothing matters. You will only be able to open ring-pull cans with this. If it's a classic can, this is not the answer.
0 points.
(https://i.imgur.com/JVvEJ07.jpg)
Roxon Storm (modded)
I swapped places of the can opener and cord cutter. The can opener is now functional, though pretty average.
0 points for punching through. Not easy, as the piercing point is quite blunt.
1 for comfort. Stayed in hand, did not hurt enough to stop. Scale edge still dug into my hand.
2 for not jamming.
1 for cutting. It could have a sharper edge with more of an angle to it. Consistent cut, though it left jagged, sharp edges.
2 for not slipping. The hook is at least better designed than the rest of it, and it stayed on the can rim.
Total: 6
(https://i.imgur.com/GOJ31kh.jpg)
Same problem, although the GHK2 can opener is sharpened.
Same solution: swap the can opener and serrated blade positions, to bring the can opener next to the blade, closer to the edge of the handle, so that it will hook onto the rim right-handed.
However, this mod is not easy.
First of all, the backsprings are amazingly strong. Even if you mod the can opener to go next to the blade, it will not unfold easily. When I tried to unfold it with my finger-nail, my finger-nail split in two, while the can opener remained folded, probably laughing at me.
Also, the mod itself is not as easy as it was with the Roxon Storm (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,77898.0.html). The main issue with the mod is that you cannot just unscrew the handle, take out the implements, and put them back in the order you want. The backsprings will be in the way, and you will have to push them back to make room for the implements to drop in.
This was quite easy to do with the Storm. I put it in a vise, with a bolt pushing back the backsprings, and dropped the implements in place, with the can opener where it was supposed to be. And the backsprings are pushed back, but are not flush with the handle on the other side. When they were pushed back, they did not contact the side of the handle that the vise was against.
With the GHK2, the herculean backsprings will be more of a problem, and they are flush with the handle. You can not just put it in a vise and push the backsprings back with a bolt. The bolt will not push against a straight surface either, because these backsprings are angled. Quite a tedious set-up. I will post pictures to illustrate exactly what I am talking about.
I may try this again in the future, just to make the can opener functional, and because I am curious to see how good it will actually be. Probably quite good, since the shape, edge, and hook are ok.
But even then, deploying the can opener requires metallic assistance. Why bother?
Post by: Wspeed on December 11, 2019, 02:37:18 PM
their tools before putting them in their MTs :facepalm:
Post by: ReamerPunch on January 19, 2020, 10:52:36 AM
The first company to copy the Victorinox quarter-circle. And what a fine job they did. Not quite as sharp, different bevel angles, not polished, but equally capable.
(https://i.imgur.com/j1lGIdF.jpg)
It is positioned perfectly to engage with the can, with the hook and edge at the perfect position to function. It pierced very easily through the rim, and it was so easy to advance, tracing around the lid, that I had reached the half-way point before remembering to take a picture.
(https://i.imgur.com/pd0CYtJ.jpg)
Superb ergonomics, akin to the Rebar. No blade spines or sharp edges to dig into my hand, and a nice compact body to hold onto. The plier screws and buttons were not noticeable at all.
Cutting was excellent. Not as graceful a result as I get with Leatherman claws, but still consistent. The quarter-circle will make shorter individual cuts than a Leatherman claw, but the cutting is very easy, consistent, and comfortable.
I never slipped off the lid, advancing beautifully from one cut to the next. It never jammed, and the lack of a locking mechanism was irrelevant.
(https://i.imgur.com/WUdEddR.jpg?1)
Looking at the lid, the edge is a little jagged, but you can hardly call it mangled. Comparing its performance to other quarter-circles, it is not far off Victorinox.
It is amazing that that such an old tool got the quarter-circle so right. Opening the can was a breath of fresh air, considering how many old-school multi-tools had below average can openers.
If this is all you have to open a can, then fear not. You can open cans with this all day long.
(https://i.imgur.com/bm3XjRC.jpg?1)
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
Post by: Wspeed on January 19, 2020, 01:55:31 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on January 19, 2020, 04:31:12 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on February 19, 2020, 05:36:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_bdsfO1wmU
Post by: ReamerPunch on February 19, 2020, 05:39:30 PM
It demonstrates not only the proper way to use the claw, but also how easy it is. Look how perfect the cut is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5icKi1jGxo
Post by: ReamerPunch on February 19, 2020, 05:47:50 PM
Very interesting seeing all those early abominations compared to the tiny bit of metal it takes to get the job done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iM6qlXCo6Y
Post by: McStitchy on February 21, 2020, 07:09:45 PM
Great test :like: :tu:
What Wim says :like:
Does your Gerber Multiplier can opener look like mine here? A bit skewed?
(https://i.imgur.com/uX584w9.jpg)
Post by: McStitchy on February 21, 2020, 07:10:34 PM
Here is a nice little video on the Leatherman claw. Great job of filming, as well as opening the can.
It demonstrates not only the proper way to use the claw, but also how easy it is. Look how perfect the cut is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5icKi1jGxo
Nice one :tu:
Post by: ReamerPunch on March 05, 2020, 06:55:09 AM
Does your Gerber Multiplier can opener look like mine here? A bit skewed?
No, mine is straight.
Post by: pfrsantos on April 03, 2020, 07:20:44 PM
No, mine is straight.
(https://i.giphy.com/media/26gspjl5bxzhSdJtK/giphy.webp)
:whistle:
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 13, 2020, 02:29:28 AM
A quarter-circle on a double opener. Good length, it engages the can properly. The hook is properly shaped to hold onto the lid, and the tip pierces easily into the can.
(https://i.imgur.com/j8h8upD.jpg?1)
Being a quarter-circle, we go forwards. As the edge and tip are not that sharp, it will pierce but not trace very well. The edge slips a little with every cut, so after a few cuts it will veer off away from the rim's edge, throwing off the orientation, making it impossible to continue after only a few cuts.
(https://i.imgur.com/5n9osMu.jpg?1)
Things get better if we go backwards. Instead of piercing and cutting, going backwards requires only piercing to get around. The initial piercing is easy so making one after another is effective. It will leave behind some sharp points, but it does not create shrapnel and gets the can opened.
Comfort is not that good. Since the tip is a little blunter than it should, it required additional leverage of my thumb pushing into the spine of the can opener. Quite uncomfortable. The rest of the tool is nicely rounded.
(https://i.imgur.com/VbA8LJL.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/Wck4IC5.jpg?1)
Durability also took a hit. After just one can, the implement was bent.
(https://i.imgur.com/hNu7ws5.jpg?1)
Compared to an unused can opener, the used one bent so much that its tip got hang up on the frame.
(https://i.imgur.com/QZMxY7B.jpg)
2 points for punching through.
0 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
0 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
-5 for bending. This is interesting. Out of a couple dozen can openers I have tested, only two suffered durability issues. This and the NexTool Flagship Pro. The Mini did an acceptable job opening the can even though I had to go backwards to its design, but it did it. Still, as it bent with only one can, it is not ideal. Sure, you can still fold the implement back into the frame, but how many cans will it survive before it breaks off?
Seeing how the scissors handle spring broke after only a week of barely using it, and the second one's ineffective scissors, the lack of quality is unmissable.
Total: 1
The Flagship Pro performance, for reference.
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NexTool Flagship Pro/Xiaomi Huohou
0 points for punching through.
0 for comfort.
0 for not jamming.
-5 for cutting.
-5 for not slipping.
Total: -10
(https://i.imgur.com/NSBx2y5.jpg)
Punching through is difficult. The edge is blunt and the tip is rounded off. The left edge of the hook, the edge that would grab on the rim, is rounded off. On a proper can opener, the hook has a 90° edge, so that the can opener holds onto the lip, which provides the necessary leverage for the tip to pierce. On this, the hook just slips off with the slightest force applied to the edge. It takes a considerable amount of force to pierce, all the while being careful to keep the can opener in place.
This makes the whole process an ordeal. For right-handed use, it was difficult to pierce, and impossible to continue on the initial cut. Left-handed is marginally better, since the right edge of the hook has a 90° edge and holds onto the rim.
(https://i.imgur.com/fClD7tg.jpg)
Cutting left-handed was difficult and awkward, as I am right-handed. Tracing along is painful, since the cutting edge is more of a breaking edge.
(https://i.imgur.com/FHaeU55.jpg?1)
Blunt as it could be, the edge slid along the rim, and there is no piercing point to speak of. I had to constantly adjust positioning, and reached about a quarter of the rim. After many tries to continue cutting/breaking the rim, it would not cut along beyond that point.
(https://i.imgur.com/gDHwODM.jpg)
It took so much force to cut, that I bent the tiny rod that provides retention. Now the can opener has play when deployed. Not a big issue. Why would I deploy the can opener? It cannot open cans. If I want to get a sore hand, and mangle a can, I'll just punch the can.
(https://i.imgur.com/KuvYBC2.jpg?1)
After five minutes of battling the can with the wrong tool and losing, I switched to the Leatherman Core. Just a few seconds, and I cut easily, painlessly, effortlessly, consistently, and effectively around the rim, never slipping off, going through mangled spots with no issues, until the can was nicely opened.
(https://i.imgur.com/YToVOQz.jpg?1)
The Flagship Pro's can opener did not even survive a quarter of one can lid. :rant: Left-handed, since right-handed I could only do a single cut. :rofl:
What a joke of an implement. What an insult to release this tool with such a terrible can mangler. Is testing not a part of the development process? :think:
Is it really that difficult to try and open a can before you release it? I tried one can and the retention rod bent. I had not even opened one single can! :facepalm:
The can opener on this tool is a waste of space. Beyond unreliable to open a can. Too bad.
0 points for punching through.
0 for comfort.
0 for not jamming.
-5 for cutting.
-5 for not slipping.
Total: -10
(https://i.imgur.com/NSBx2y5.jpg)
Punching through is difficult. The edge is blunt and the tip is rounded off. The left edge of the hook, the edge that would grab on the rim, is rounded off. On a proper can opener, the hook has a 90° edge, so that the can opener holds onto the lip, which provides the necessary leverage for the tip to pierce. On this, the hook just slips off with the slightest force applied to the edge. It takes a considerable amount of force to pierce, all the while being careful to keep the can opener in place.
This makes the whole process an ordeal. For right-handed use, it was difficult to pierce, and impossible to continue on the initial cut. Left-handed is marginally better, since the right edge of the hook has a 90° edge and holds onto the rim.
(https://i.imgur.com/fClD7tg.jpg)
Cutting left-handed was difficult and awkward, as I am right-handed. Tracing along is painful, since the cutting edge is more of a breaking edge.
(https://i.imgur.com/FHaeU55.jpg?1)
Blunt as it could be, the edge slid along the rim, and there is no piercing point to speak of. I had to constantly adjust positioning, and reached about a quarter of the rim. After many tries to continue cutting/breaking the rim, it would not cut along beyond that point.
(https://i.imgur.com/gDHwODM.jpg)
It took so much force to cut, that I bent the tiny rod that provides retention. Now the can opener has play when deployed. Not a big issue. Why would I deploy the can opener? It cannot open cans. If I want to get a sore hand, and mangle a can, I'll just punch the can.
(https://i.imgur.com/KuvYBC2.jpg?1)
After five minutes of battling the can with the wrong tool and losing, I switched to the Leatherman Core. Just a few seconds, and I cut easily, painlessly, effortlessly, consistently, and effectively around the rim, never slipping off, going through mangled spots with no issues, until the can was nicely opened.
(https://i.imgur.com/YToVOQz.jpg?1)
The Flagship Pro's can opener did not even survive a quarter of one can lid. :rant: Left-handed, since right-handed I could only do a single cut. :rofl:
What a joke of an implement. What an insult to release this tool with such a terrible can mangler. Is testing not a part of the development process? :think:
Is it really that difficult to try and open a can before you release it? I tried one can and the retention rod bent. I had not even opened one single can! :facepalm:
The can opener on this tool is a waste of space. Beyond unreliable to open a can. Too bad.
Post by: McStitchy on July 13, 2020, 08:36:20 AM
Thanks a lot for another great review RP :hatsoff:
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 13, 2020, 08:48:33 AM
Also, :o I started this thread exactly two years ago! :cheers:
Post by: ElevenBlade on July 13, 2020, 01:46:15 PM
Thanks! :cheers:
Also, :o I started this thread exactly two years ago! :cheers:
:cheers:
I just went back to look at your review on the Vic Combo tool. Always a good reference.
Post by: Wspeed on July 13, 2020, 01:58:43 PM
Shame about the quality of the tool ???
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 18, 2020, 06:29:39 AM
The can opener is a quarter-circle, and worked adequately. While it engages on the can properly, tracing around the lid was not easy. With each cut, the edge slid across the lid ever so slightly before cutting, so after a few cuts, the cut was too far away from the rim to continue. A new cut had to be started every few steps.
Going backwards eliminated this problem and was much faster, though either way, there were some sharp edges left behind. Thankfully, ergonomics are excellent, and it never slipped off the rim.
(https://i.imgur.com/uEyHBig.jpg)
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
1 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 9
Post by: Wspeed on July 18, 2020, 04:08:15 PM
easily cut you if you are not careful >:(
Post by: ReamerPunch on September 03, 2020, 04:52:32 PM
This is a claw, and it is very reminiscent of Leatherman claws, not only in appearance, but thankfully in performance. It worked exceptionally well.
(https://i.imgur.com/4l4jy8f.jpeg)
It engaged properly on the can and was able to pierce through extremely easily.
(https://i.imgur.com/vk4eigL.jpg)
Ergonomics are excellent. My thumb rests against the locking tab, nice and wide. The blades do not protrude as much as on other tools, so nothing jabbed into my fingers. The body is definitely a little boxy, but no edges or corners caused any discomfort.
(https://i.imgur.com/HzvELVD.jpg)
Combining a good shape with good ergonomics, the results speak for themselves. The edge traced wonderfully around the lid, with no slipping, jamming, no need to adjust or reposition, and creating no shrapnel. Easy, consistent cutting with no sharp edges or points left behind.
(https://i.imgur.com/ROl1UNZ.jpg)
Opening the can was easy, fast, painless, intuitive, and quite fun. The can opener is perfectly shaped and ground to handle its intended use. It opened the can beautifully and suffered no ill effects.
(https://i.imgur.com/y149D2p.jpg)
This is indeed one of the best can openers on a multi-tool. :hatsoff:
(https://i.imgur.com/kWDHomM.jpeg)
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
Post by: ReamerPunch on September 13, 2020, 07:54:27 AM
This is a quarter circle, in a multi-tool inspired by the Leatherman Wave. Quite an interesting combination.
(https://i.imgur.com/a8gty9T.jpeg)
It engages properly on the can, and pierced through very easily.
(https://i.imgur.com/MDWneaA.jpg)
Ergonomics are wonderful. My thumb rests on the end of the locking tab. Nice and flat, and all edges around this area are rounded off. The blade spines protrude very little from the frame, making gripping onto the tool quite comfortable.
(https://i.imgur.com/o83X5za.jpg)
Tracing around the lid was very easy. The edge and hook are well-shaped and do their job. The can opener grabs positively on the rim, and the blade edge is properly ground and at the proper angle to cut into the lid. The flathead tip acts as a stop. While you are cutting, the flathead will stop the motion once you run out of cutting edge, and you are able to advance. This provides consistency to your cutting, making the affair easy, safe, quick, and quite pleasant.
(https://i.imgur.com/lsW7gs3.jpg)
Opening the can created no shrapnel, I never slipped off, it never got stuck into the lid, the lid was not pushed into the can. The edge of the lid has some sharp points, but not worse than any other quarter-circle would leave behind.
(https://i.imgur.com/bLNXLY9.jpeg)
This is a wonderful can opener. Ergonomics, cutting, tracing, everything is great. Off-brand multi-tools are known to have can openers that are barely adequate, and sometimes altogether unusable, especially if they go with a quarter-circle. Well, this was a breath of fresh air.
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
Post by: ReamerPunch on September 17, 2020, 10:01:37 AM
This is not a quarter-circle. The edge has far less belly and length, and the blade is not as tall as a true quarter-circle.
(https://i.imgur.com/QOvIcXR.jpeg)
It engaged properly, or so I thought, and the initial piercing through was easy.
From then on, things get rough. The flathead tip is very wide, and in combination with the short, stubby blade, it was impossible to continue after just one cut. The flathead met the lid before the edge could cut into the lid to advance.
(https://i.imgur.com/pIn75iB.jpeg)
As with many mediocre quarter-circles, going backwards was far more efficient. The edge managed to trace around the lid, with little effort, no slipping or jamming. Ergonomics are average. The blade spine protrudes a little from the body, and there are some edges that also jab into my hand and fingers. It made little difference whether the scissors were attached or not.
(https://i.imgur.com/tzUo9Vq.jpg)
As with all quarter-circles that work better backwards, this left sharp points around the rim. It did the job, albeit backwards, and was unable to completely remove the lid.
(https://i.imgur.com/vdY6uKI.jpeg)
The lid was too mangled and the rim bent from trying to continue forwards after the very first cut, and I was not able to completely cut off the lid with this. I had to use the Rebar.
It does work, and if this is all you have with you, you will be able to open cans.
(https://i.imgur.com/8PMeMan.jpg)
(this picture took 20 minutes to upload)
2 points for punching through.
0 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
0 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 6
Post by: ReamerPunch on October 16, 2020, 08:13:37 AM
The can opener worked well. It engages the can properly and pierced through the lid effortlessly. Tracing around the lid was easy once I had found the perfect rhythm of operation. The cutting edge is shorter than the average quarter-circle can opener, so each individual cut will be shorter than with other tools. It never slipped off the rim, it never jammed, it did not create metal splinters. Ergonomics are quite good. The edges are chamfered and nothing protrudes from the frame.
The flathead once again acted like a stop. Not bad, but if it was not there, we'd have a longer cutting edge so we could make longer cuts, and open the can with fewer cuts.
Some sharp points were left behind, which happens with pretty much all the quarter-circles I've used.
Not a bad choice at all, and we have to consider that I went forwards with it being a quarter-circle. Had I gone backwards, it would have been less messy, albeit with more sharp points.
The main thing with this is that you have to find the right angle and keep a consistent, steady pace and motion, to get the most out of it.
(https://i.imgur.com/itdzsH7.jpg)
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
1 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 9
Post by: ReamerPunch on November 17, 2020, 07:54:00 AM
This is a claw, heavily modified, not only to make it fit in the tiny space they had available, but also to overcome how deep it is in the handle. The cutting edge sits at a different angle, so that the body of the tool will not be in the way when the edge and hook engage the lid.
(https://i.imgur.com/SyzmSje.jpg)
If it was a traditional claw, with how deep it is in the handle, trying to engage the lid would have looked like this (Bibury 13 in) :
(https://i.imgur.com/uCtRGRQ.jpg?1)
By moving the edge further back, the can opener edge and hook can engage the lid, with the rest of the tool away from the lid.
The can opener was seemingly designed to actually be able to open a can, within the limitation of space for a longer can opener.
(https://i.imgur.com/eK4UpLZ.jpg)
Sadly, the good news, if any, stop here. :facepalm:
Piercing was easy. Holding the tool in an angle different to almost all other multi-tools was awkward. Once the can opener sinks as far as the edge will go, the tool is almost vertical. This alone makes the process challenging, but if only that was it.
(https://i.imgur.com/LuiAfBm.jpg)
Tracing is not easy. With most multi-tool can openers, you can go full circle around the lid without ever disengaging the hook from the lid. From the initial pierce to the final cut, the can openers are touching the can. With the Flik, this is not the case.
Not only does the vertical position of the tool mess with cutting, but the hook that would hold the can opener on the lid tended to slip off. Sometimes, when trying to advance along the previous cut, the edge would simply slide over the previous cut into the can, without making a new cut. Often, after a successful cut, the can opener would jam quite firmly into the lid.
The body of the tool was not bad ergonomically, but it did not matter. The process was not comfortable.
(https://i.imgur.com/8H44yxx.jpg)
After the middle point, the lid was getting pushed into the can. I have never made such a mess with any other tool. I had to squeeze the can to force the lid to stay out of the food as I was trying to use the can opener for the second half of the lid.
(https://i.imgur.com/WR0U36o.jpg)
It did not matter in the end. Nothing did. I discovered quite a few metallic shavings and burrs into the food.
(https://i.imgur.com/MeFRNFe.jpg)
You will be left with a lid with many jagged edges and sharp points, and a can of food that will be dangerous to consume. I kept seeing slivers in the food the more I looked, so I decided to throw away the food.
(https://i.imgur.com/uSCK8QR.jpg)
Why work around the space issue if the process of opening a can will be so awkward, and in the end ruin the food anyway? Drop the can opener, and make the Phillips square-shank, to make it stronger and fit the bit kit. This can opener is a disaster. It goes beyond being small. Even it being awkward to use would not matter all that much if it could open a can safely. But it cannot. It did a terrible job of opening the can, and most importantly, it ruined a whole can of food. Great job with this one Gerber. You matched the BuckTool's awfulness. :clap:
2 points for punching through.
0 for comfort.
0 for not jamming.
-12 for cutting.
0 for not slipping.
Total: -10
Post by: McStitchy on November 17, 2020, 08:51:14 AM
And for reminding us to always check the canned food for metal shavings :facepalm:
Post by: Nix on November 21, 2020, 01:53:46 AM
Post by: Hevy (CT-782) on November 21, 2020, 02:33:47 AM
I had a Flik for many years.
Never had or ever tried to open a can with it.
It was a "Legendary" fail.
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Post by: ReamerPunch on June 19, 2021, 08:05:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAStgFqbE0
Post by: McStitchy on June 19, 2021, 12:13:36 PM
The swivel-around-the-middle ones seem cool!
Makes me want to search eBay for vintage can openers now :facepalm:
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 02, 2021, 07:25:45 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-38_can_opener
(https://i.imgur.com/bHOvxZD.jpg)
The quintessential manual can opener, the P-38 is a claw. It is interesting that the hook and cutting edge are not in the same axis. They are perpendicular to each other, which positions both at the perfect position. The hook meets the lid at a right angle, grabbing onto it wonderfully, while the cutting edge tip contacts the lid right behind the rim, and the perfect angle to pierce into it.
(https://i.imgur.com/j2jeNih.jpg)
Piercing was easy. The P-38 is designed perfectly to engage the can like it is supposed to.
Comfort is relevant I think. It does not make much sense to expect amazing ergonomics on something this tiny. It was not uncomfortable, and after only a few cuts, I was already used to the action, and was able to rock the can opener up and down, cutting with no issues. I never felt the slight hint of it jamming or slipping of the rim. In fact, I let go, and the can opener sat frozen in position. It was not stuck or anything close to that, just sitting comfortably on the rim, thanks to the excellent angles of the hook and blade. Tracing along each previous cut was extremely easy and surprisingly fast, once I got used to the action.
(https://i.imgur.com/YhpH5fd.jpg)
It created a rather jagged edge, and I noticed a few metal specs on the table. These are not like the metal splinters that other can openers have produced, though I would prefer no shavings at all.
I will test this again and maybe go slower, and see if I continue to get metal specs.
Has anyone else noticed any metal specs with this? :think:
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
1 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 9
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 02, 2021, 07:41:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/mAXCjiN.jpg)
The big brother of the P-38, longer, thicker, heavier. Using this was a very similar experience to the P-38.
Piercing was extremely easy. The shapes and angles are the same, and this also engages the can perfectly. No slipping, no jamming, and still sitting in place when you let go.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ca6QNax.jpg)
This was a little more comfortable. It is longer, and I got a better grip, and thanks to the blade being slightly longer, I got longer individual cuts. The difference in leverage is very noticeable and much more than anticipated. After only a couple of cuts, the action felt intuitive and I was able to cut the rid faster than any other can opener I have tested. Speed was not taken into account when using can openers for this thread, but the P-51 would be the winner. While extremely fast, the cut was consistent, easy, it never slipped or got jammed, or advanced off kilter. Most importantly, there were no metal shavings of any sort with this. It left behind a clean edge, less jagged than that of the P-38.
It may be heavier and larger than the P-38, but the difference in performance was very noticeable. It is still small enough for all sorts of kits, and certainly a fantastic companion to any multi-tools that lack a can opener or have a mediocre or unusable one.
I can not wait to open a can with this again. :salute:
2 points for punching through.
2 for comfort.
2 for not jamming.
2 for cutting.
2 for not slipping.
Total: 10
Post by: McStitchy on July 02, 2021, 08:46:35 AM
Excellent results for such a "simplistic" design :like:
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 02, 2021, 12:05:12 PM
which positions both at the perfect position.
I should become a columnist or something. :facepalm:
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 02, 2021, 12:17:04 PM
I was looking forward for you testing them RP :hatsoff: I think this thread would be incomplete without thwm.
Excellent results for such a "simplistic" design :like:
I love the design. How can something this small be designed so well for its purpose, and perform so well? Does your multi-tool not have a can opener? Slip a P-51 in the sheath and you're set. :cheers:
Post by: McStitchy on July 02, 2021, 12:33:24 PM
Will try to source them locally first.
Post by: Nix on July 02, 2021, 02:33:22 PM
I think this thread would be incomplete without them.
:iagree: Nice work, RP!
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 02, 2021, 04:21:34 PM
:iagree: Nice work, RP!
Thanks for the can openers! :like:
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 02, 2021, 06:30:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZzebR4AGzY
Post by: Adam5 on July 02, 2021, 06:52:59 PM
"which positions both at the perfect position."
I should become a columnist or something. :facepalm:
You do a great job. I avoid long commentary because I would make and miss many more verbal blunders.
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 10, 2021, 11:19:48 AM
Bibury 21 in 1 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg2050305.html#msg2050305)
Buck
Bucktool (original attempt) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1728888.html#msg1728888)
BuckTool (left-handed - anticlockwise) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1732423.html#msg1732423)
BuckTool (right-handed - anticlockwise) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1756991.html#msg1756991)
BuckTool (left-handed - anticlockwise - second attempt) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1757027.html#msg1757027)
BuckTool (right-handed - clockwise - whole can) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1759761.html#msg1759761)
Coast Pocket PaperWeight (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1728893.html#msg1728893)
Coast Pocket PaperWeight (second attempt) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1753379.html#msg1753379)
Craftright (Generic Suspension clone) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1728891.html#msg1728891)
Ganzo G302-B (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1728885.html#msg1728885)
Grand Harvest K2 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg2053564.html#msg2053564)
Grand Harvest K2 (left-handed) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg2056351.html#msg2056351)
Grand Harvest K6 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg2161020.html#msg2161020)
Gerber
Flik (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg2180092.html#msg2180092)
MP400 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1728885.html#msg1728885)
MP400 (second attempt) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1736668.html#msg1736668)
Multi-Plier (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg2074629.html#msg2074629)
K-7375 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg2162011.html#msg2162011)
Leatherman
Charge AL (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1728880.html#msg1728880)
Juice CS4 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1728893.html#msg1728893)
Juice CS4 (second attempt) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1816538.html#msg1816538)
MiniTool (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1728893.html#msg1728893)
PST (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1731584.html#msg1731584)
Rebar (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1730404.html#msg1730404)
Sideclip (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1734348.html#msg1734348)
Signal (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1733510.html#msg1733510)
SuperTool 200 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1731584.html#msg1731584)
Surge (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1734348.html#msg1734348)
Wave Plus (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1762907.html#msg1762907)
Wave Plus (different grip) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1768345.html#msg1768345)
Wingman (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1730404.html#msg1730404)
NexTool Flagship Pro (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg2032530.html#msg2032530)
NexTool Mini Flagship (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg2144638.html#msg2144638)
Ozark Trail Multiforce (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg2158648.html#msg2158648)
P-38 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg2259271.html#msg2259271)
P-51 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg2259272.html#msg2259272)
Roxon
Flash S803 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg2170188.html#msg2170188)
Phantom S802 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg2146063.html#msg2146063)
Storm S801 (default) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1728880.html#msg1728880)
Storm S801 (modded) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1728880.html#msg1728880)
Storm S801S (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg2037286.html#msg2037286)
Schrade USA ToughTool (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1728888.html#msg1728888)
Schrade USA ToughTool (second attempt) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1761548.html#msg1761548)
Sheffield 10 in 1 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1731589.html#msg1731589)
SOG Pocket Power Plier (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1728893.html#msg1728893)
SOG Powerlock (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1731589.html#msg1731589)
Victorinox
Bantam (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1731589.html#msg1731589)
Cadet (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1732426.html#msg1732426)
Deluxe Tinker (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1728880.html#msg1728880)
Deluxe Tinker (second attempt) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1736652.html#msg1736652)
Farmer (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1732426.html#msg1732426)
Farmer (second attempt) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1744398.html#msg1744398)
Fireman (liner-lock version) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1733519.html#msg1733519)
Fireman (liner-lock version - second attempt) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1744394.html#msg1744394)
Hercules (slide-lick version) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1734349.html#msg1734349)
OHO Trekker (liner-lock version) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1733519.html#msg1733519)
OHO Trekker (liner-lock version - second attempt) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1744394.html#msg1744394)
RangerGrip 79 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1734349.html#msg1734349)
Safari Hunter (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1730404.html#msg1730404)
Spirit (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1728891.html#msg1728891)
Spirit (second attempt) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1736668.html#msg1736668)
Sportsman (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1744398.html#msg1744398)
SwissChamp (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1728885.html#msg1728885)
SwissChamp (second attempt) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1736652.html#msg1736652)
Wenger
Highlander (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1728888.html#msg1728888)
Highlander (second attempt) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1732423.html#msg1732423)
Ranger 06 - Mountaineer (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1730409.html#msg1730409)
Ranger 06 - Mountaineer (second attempt) (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1733510.html#msg1733510)
RangerGrip 60 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1731584.html#msg1731584)
Workpro 10 in 1 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78010.msg1730409.html#msg1730409)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 10, 2021, 11:33:30 AM
And only now did I realize I had not done a list of all the tools I tested. So, here it is. :D
Post by: pfrsantos on July 19, 2021, 04:38:29 PM
Fun indeed, thanks for sharing it :tu:
The swivel-around-the-middle ones seem cool!
Makes me want to search eBay for vintage can openers now :facepalm:
+1
It awlso keeps the lid and makes it easier to remove it without risking cutting yourself.
:tu: :tu:
Post by: Nix on July 21, 2021, 12:15:55 AM
I started this thread three years ago. :salute:
And only now did I realize I had not done a list of all the tools I tested. So, here it is. :D
:like: