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Tool Talk => Swiss Army Knights Forum => Topic started by: Cauldronborn on February 08, 2014, 02:08:10 PM
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Hi guys
I've found a nice vintage SAK on the American ebay site I'd like to get but as I live in the UK there are, needless to say some problems with that.
Would some kind person here be willing to help me out?
I of course have a Paypal account and would pay all costs and the listing has a buy it now price I'm happy with.
Thanks in advance.
If any is willing please PM me.
Mods, if this is in the wrong place or against the rules I apologize
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A kind person on this forum has helped me out with this listing, so just a quick message to let everyone know no further help is needed.
Thanks for all the interest, I really appreciated it.
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It should be at my house now. I will see when I get home.
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Congrats Cauldonborn! :cheers: and good show to you GigaHz :salute:
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Thanks J-sews, IF this one is as the seller said it was then I'll be VERY happy. I'll see if I can post pics when I get it but that will be in at least 2 weeks time.
And thanks again GigaHz, I owe you big time.
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Another MTo success story :tu: This is a great community to belong to :D
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GigaHz :salute:
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GigaHz :salute:
Did you get yours?
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Another MTo success story :tu: This is a great community to belong to :D
+1 :salute:
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GigaHz :salute:
Did you get yours?
Yes, splico. :D We're still waiting for the pics of it. :pok:
What's your latest SAK? (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=21658.0)
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How do you insert pictures on this forum?
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How do you insert pictures on this forum?
Either by using an external picture hosting service like photobucket or by using the +Attachments and other options underneath the Reply window.
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enki_ck, Thanks.
I haven't got the knife yet but GigaHz took some photos he said I could use. The knife is a vintage victorinox 84 mm Climber small.
I spotted it in a link someone on the crazy price thread made, sent the seller a question and it turned out to be a 84mm. That's when I stared this thread
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Congrats :hatsoff: :2tu:
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There are some scratches on the main blade & GigaHz said some of the tools are a bit lazy, but it could just need to be cleaned and oiled. But for the price I won't complain :D
Some more photos
PS I, or rather GigaHz got it for $30 + shipping :D
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Congrats :hatsoff: :2tu:
Thanks.
For what was paid for it I won't worry about actually using it & worst case it gets used for a mod.
I can't wait :mail: :mail:
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GigaHz :salute:
Did you get yours?
ofc and is great unused SAK :drool: thank you for help :tu:
@enki_ck
:D
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=21658.msg845433#msg845433
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I said you owe me $1.29. This smurfhole paypals me $1.29. I guess my time is worth nothing. I will think twice before I do this again. A couple a bucks my way goes a long way.
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Please see PM, Thank you.
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I said you owe me $1.29. This smurfhole paypals me $1.29. I guess my time is worth nothing. I will think twice before I do this again. A couple a bucks my way goes a long way.
Who? I? ???
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No not you. Nikola paid me plenty. I am very happy dealing with Nikola.
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No not you. Nikola paid me plenty. I am very happy dealing with Nikola.
:cheers: :salute: :D @enki_ck is the boss :tu:
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GigaHz
I re-read the message I sent you last night and I realise I came across a bit strong.
For that I again apologize, however if you have seen my PM you'll know the situation behind the reason for your compliant and why I might have been quick to temper. would you mind replying so we resolve this amicably please?
As I said in my PM I fully intended to repay you for your time spent on this transaction on my behalf. But the personal situation I told you about and the arrangements I put in place at my end meant I was unable to see to it myself.
If you PM me back with the amount you would consider to be fair compensation for your efforts I'll see to it personally that you receive it.
I really hope we can solve this without any more aggravation, I really feel at home here and would like to avoid any bad blood between us if at all possible.
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:tu:
:popcorn:
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GigaHz
I've sent you another PM, please look at it.
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Hey guys
Unfortunately I wasn't able to sort things with GigaHz. I normally don't like to sort these things out in public but since he made the first post calling me a "smurfhole" and everybody is watching I think I'd better finish it in the open.
First let me give you a little background.
As you know I asked for help to get a SAK from the US and GigaHz offered his assistance, we PM'd a few times and got things moving.
However a few days after getting things started I had a phone call from my brother who live in the south of England in the Thames valley.
They, along with a lot of other areas are getting very heavy flooding and needed some help moving their furniture and other belongings out of harms way and I stayed of a few days longer to help them and their neighbors with the sandbagging effort.
As I was unable do get reliable access to the net on my smartphone due to damage to the cell towers in the area I asked my partner to take care of any further messages from GigaHz & make any additional payments for shipping ect.
Unfortunately I neglected to mention anything about reimbursing him for his time & effort on my behalf, so when he asked for an extra $1.29 for postage costs that's exactly what she sent him.
The first I knew about all this was the post he made above calling me a "smurfhole".
I admit the first reply a sent him was more than a little heated, but considering what I had spent the previous few days doing I think this would be understandable.
I did apologize for my mistake and offer to pay him for his time in that first message but got no response to that one or any of the others I sent him until today.
Earlier today I sent him another PM and finally got a reply, below is the message I sent.
"GigaHz
I'm still waiting for a reply. I know my first message was very sharp and again I apologize for losing my temper so easily however I hope you'll understand considering what I have been dealing with recently.
I've admitted I made a mistake and have tried to stepped up to take responsibility for it and I am trying to resolve it peacefully, but I can't do much more about it without you joining me in this effort.
In short I'm trying to offer an olive branch here. I'll happily pay you for your time but I just want to know how much you would consider a reasonable amount for your efforts.
I really hope you'll accept my offer and allow us to settle this matter without any more animosity.
Yours respectfully."
This is the response I got.
"$100 won't do it, so drop it. If you have to ask how much, my time is worthless to you."
Needless to say I won't be taking this any further.
I'll leave it up everyone to make up their own minds about all this.
I really don't want to be the cause of anymore animosity on this forum, so as much as I have enjoyed my time here I'm seriously considering terminating my account.
I'll make my final decision based on the responses to this post, if the consensus is that I was in the wrong or could have done more to resolve it then I think it would be best if I left.
GigaHz is a much for established & respected member than I am and the last thing I want to be the the newcomer who causes trouble, I've seen that too many times on other forums.
My best respects to you all.
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What part of drop it don't you get? It is water under the bridge. Let it go. I see you can't do that. Lets see, if I stay at work and work over time I can make well over $50 a hour. So to me my time is worth over $50 an hour. I do this to be nice to people who see a good deal over here and they can't get it. Why you can't drop this is beyond me. My wife has Lupus. Do you hear me using that as an excuse for anything? So If I spent a half an hour ordering it then opening it. Then taking pictures. Waiting for response. Emailing to get paid. Replying to your Nervous Nelly emails. Repackaging it. Going to the Post office. It really makes no sense to charge $25 for my time. Everyone else I have ever done this for has paid a little to a lot over. It just pissed me off that you offered nothing extra till I had to ask. By then it was way too late. It is done. I see no reason for all this drama. We can easily coexist on the same forum. I just won't be sending you any packages any time soon.
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As people's expectations ar all different. I think that in situations like this if you want something in return for helping you should state clearly what you expect. As I read it you asked for $1.29, that's what you got. Dealing through posts and E-mails its very difficult to understand what is expected. Just ask, or don't offer to help. No need to be mean. :D
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True it was mean to call him am smurfhole. But to me some things are just implied or expected. Why did everyone else offer up something for my time?
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Just my take on things, and I realize that my opinion means next to nothing here but figured I would give it just the same.
Maybe because I came from other communities first (Cigar, 4x4, Overlanding, Custom Firearm Parts) and we have different expectations, but I would never offer to do something like this for someone and then expect to make money off of them. In the past when I have done something similar (countless times) it was only to help someone because I wanted to do it for them and not to make a buck off of someone who shared the same passion I do.
Hoping that someone, especially a new member, will pick up on implications or understand something that you believe to be expected without any indicator is just setting yourself up for this. If you expect to be reimbursed for your time then you should have said as much. It's also not a matter of what others have done but a matter of what has happened now.
You call him out in public and then expect him to drop it without ever uttering a word as to what is going on? Wow, I don't know anybody who would be ok with being called a "smurfhole" in public. New members, especially, have to watch their reputation and work harder to make sure that everything is above board. We have no room for error before we become shunned by the community.
Anyway, TL;DR, if you want to make money off of fellow enthusiasts then start a business. If you want to help a community of like minded enthusiasts then do it with zero expectations and out of the kindness of your heart. Don't call someone out in public and then ignore them, if you do then you should expect it to all be brought public.
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GigaHz
I'm really sorry to hear about your wife and I truly hope you can find a way to at least minimize the symptoms. When I blew my stack in that first message I didn't mean to make excuses but to give an explanation of what was going on at my end.
As for asking what would be a fair amount for your time? I am not an American and have never even traveled there, so I have absolutely no idea of what the value of the dollar is in everyday life compared to the pound here in the UK.
As for not dropping it and your expectations?
I'll take being called names and insulted on the chin if I'm the one who caused the situation in the first place, and do my best to set things right as that's the way I was brought up. But I will not turn the other cheek and let people walk over me when it seems like every attempt I make to rectify the problem gets ignored. Your message stating "my time is worthless to you" was the last straw in that regard.
As dmanuel said and has been my experience what is implied or expected can vary extensively from forum to forum, and anyone expecting a newcomer on a forum to know whats the norm there without any indicator does seem a bit steep.
While I personally have done a few of these kind of trades before my partner hasn't and as I already said she handled the last stages of the transaction on my behalf using my account here so you could get a prompt reply & payment for any additional costs.
Should I of sent you a PM informing you of this? Probably, but given the family situation I had at the time I just packed a few things after work and was on my way to my brother's. I gave my partner the instructions while I was packing and going through the door.
Philby is right, communicating through email & the written word in general can be very difficult. About 50% of communication comes from body language and about 40% from the tone of voice used, only 10% involves the actual words used.
I normally try to carefully word any messages and if I had been handling this myself you would have seen a line somewhere offering you "a few bucks" for your time.
dmanuel mentioned reputation as well, I try to treat the online world the same way I treat real life and that means having a thick skin from time to time. I think twice before saying anything online to damage other peoples reputation just like you to in real life as that's just the polite thing to do & try to resolve anything before going down that road at all. Its been my experience that this is how most people try to conduct themselves on the internet.
I'm sorry I had to bring this into the open and damaging your reputation but as you on straight for a personal attack on my reputation and called me out without even trying to resolve it and then ignored my own attempts I think I didn't have much choice. This post and the one before it was just an attempt to let everyone see what was happening for themselves and make up their own minds and do some damage limitation on my own reputation.
I've had my say and will let in rest now, thanks everyone for your time and patience with this. I hope you won't think me too bad with this whole debacle.
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My thoughts are this. If someone is looking for help, and you offer it, that's it. If you want to get paid for your time, make sure you are honest and upfront with it.
If a friend asks you to help them with something, do you expect them to pay you for the help?
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with wanting a little something extra for helping out, just don't expect it, and don't call someone put in public if it doesn't happen.
We're too close and friendly here at MTO for things like this to happen in our great community, so please make peace and both sides let it be.
Again, I have zero bad things to say about either of you, I'm just an outsider voicing his opinion on what he sees on a public forum.
:cheers:
Sent from my iPhone 5 using Tapatalk
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My thoughts are this. If someone is looking for help, and you offer it, that's it. If you want to get paid for your time, make sure you are honest and upfront with it.
That pretty well summarizes my thoughts as well... :tu:
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My thoughts are this. If someone is looking for help, and you offer it, that's it. If you want to get paid for your time, make sure you are honest and upfront with it.
That pretty well summarizes my thoughts as well... :tu:
+1 :tu:
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I helped few members to buy some Wenger's which were available locally or from shops in Europe and, in all honesty, I never thought about charging (or asking for) something extra.
This is just my very personal "philosophy" and I'm not judging or comment the others decisions.
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My thoughts are this. If someone is looking for help, and you offer it, that's it. If you want to get paid for your time, make sure you are honest and upfront with it.
That pretty well summarizes my thoughts as well... :tu:
Totally agree with that as well. :salute:
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I've been sitting on the fence with this and trying to remember back to when I first joined.
I've dealed with GigHz in the past and he's a top bloke. What's gone off here I don't really know, and I sure as hell ain't gonna take sides.
However I'll say this.. I think we all need to remember the time differences when offering to help other members out. Here in the UK we are 5hrs in front of our friends in the USA. When they cone in from work we are probably heading upstairs to bed. Like ships that pass in the night, we can easily miss each other.
The floods that were mentioned here in the UK have been catastrophic. People here in the UK are not used to natural disasters in the way that our international friends are. And at the moment the UK is facing some of the worst flooding seen in centuries. Witnessing first hand a relative or loved one losing everything must surely put things into perspective.... Multitools and SAKs have their place, but in times of disasters are they really so important??.
I think the best thing here is that the mods remove this entire thread. And let us all forget about it and move on.
No ones gonna win this...its better of being removed.
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I've been sitting on the fence with this and trying to remember back to when I first joined.
I've dealed with GigHz in the past and he's a top bloke. What's gone off here I don't really know, and I sure as hell ain't gonna take sides.
However I'll say this.. I think we all need to remember the time differences when offering to help other members out. Here in the UK we are 5hrs in front of our friends in the USA. When they cone in from work we are probably heading upstairs to bed. Like ships that pass in the night, we can easily miss each other.
The floods that were mentioned here in the UK have been catastrophic. People here in the UK are not used to natural disasters in the way that our international friends are. And at the moment the UK is facing some of the worst flooding seen in centuries. Witnessing first hand a relative or loved one losing everything must surely put things into perspective.... Multitools and SAKs have their place, but in times of disasters are they really so important??.
I think the best thing here is that the mods remove this entire thread. And let us all forget about it and move on.
No ones gonna win this...its better of being removed.
I agree with Tosh!
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:ahhh
A misunderstanding can occur. Did it happen here? Yes, it did! In fact, there has been a misunderstanding. People solve or tackle to solve misunderstandings in a variety of ways, in short: trying to solve the problem or swept it under the carpet. The second one don't solve the problem, but hide it, right?! so we'd consider only the first option: solving. :D
In most cases when solving occur there is at least initially attempt of opposite sides to solve issue insisting on their own positions. Since the misunderstanding arose because of at the time occupied positions, it is clear that the existing problem can't be fixed if someone or both insist on the positions, which caused the misunderstanding. I hope that the matter is quite clear up to here. :think:
Now, if such a petty matter like this happens on the street, at work, in the pub ... the solution is a "piece of cake": one pays a drink, usually both, and laughs their own current nonsense and often even in this way they would put the foundations for in-depth friendship. Is there anyone to whom it has not happened yet? Almost impossible. :pok:
As you can see, the case is somewhat different on the internet, but still not so different, as just a different interpersonal communication occurs and it is just necessary to resolve the misunderstandings within the framework of the given possibilities, of course, if you would like to solve the problem and not swept it under the carpet, as we have already said. Probably all would agree, if for no other reason because this are the simplest facts. :D
This was therefore the easier part, now comes the hard one: a practical solution to the problem.
(http://www.en.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/heat.gif)
There are many possible solutions, and one of them is also "third party intervention", i.e. the proposed solution of community members, that both sides would agreed and would take into account.
So, here we go, I would suggest that you repeat the process in which misunderstanding occurs, as now both of you know each other's expectations and this time the interaction will certainly be a pure pleasure. Simple as that. :cheers:
C'mon guys, you're SAK knights, give each other a second chance.
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/4th-july/smiley-waving-us-flag.gif) (http://www.en.kolobok.us/smiles/rpg/paladin.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/flags/flag-of-uk.gif)
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People will inevitably want/need help buying off ebay in the future. I can't see anything wrong with people asking for a kind of finders fee, say a percentage of price. If no one was willing to help out and I really wanted the object I'd be happy to pay. However, it would be better to know this before anything was sorted, any extra payment could then be factored in. Remember pay it forward, no good deed goes unrewarded.
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:ahhh
A misunderstanding can occur. Did it happen here? Yes, it did! In fact, there has been a misunderstanding. People solve or tackle to solve misunderstandings in a variety of ways, in short: trying to solve the problem or swept it under the carpet. The second one don't solve the problem, but hide it, right?! so we'd consider only the first option: solving. :D
In most cases when solving occur there is at least initially attempt of opposite sides to solve issue insisting on their own positions. Since the misunderstanding arose because of at the time occupied positions, it is clear that the existing problem can't be fixed if someone or both insist on the positions, which caused the misunderstanding. I hope that the matter is quite clear up to here. :think:
Now, if such a petty matter like this happens on the street, at work, in the pub ... the solution is a "piece of cake": one pays a drink, usually both, and laughs their own current nonsense and often even in this way they would put the foundations for in-depth friendship. Is there anyone to whom it has not happened yet? Almost impossible. :pok:
As you can see, the case is somewhat different on the internet, but still not so different, as just a different interpersonal communication occurs and it is just necessary to resolve the misunderstandings within the framework of the given possibilities, of course, if you would like to solve the problem and not swept it under the carpet, as we have already said. Probably all would agree, if for no other reason because this are the simplest facts. :D
This was therefore the easier part, now comes the hard one: a practical solution to the problem.
(http://www.en.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/heat.gif)
There are many possible solutions, and one of them is also "third party intervention", i.e. the proposed solution of community members, that both sides would agreed and would take into account.
So, here we go, I would suggest that you repeat the process in which misunderstanding occurs, as now both of you know each other's expectations and this time the interaction will certainly be a pure pleasure. Simple as that. :cheers:
C'mon guys, you're SAK knights, give each other a second chance.
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/4th-july/smiley-waving-us-flag.gif) (http://www.en.kolobok.us/smiles/rpg/paladin.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/flags/flag-of-uk.gif)
I told one of the mods in a PM a wouldn't make another post on this thread however I think I should reply to your post.
Your right a misunderstanding occurred, was it my fault? Looking back I would have to say yes, it was mainly my fault.
Do I want to solve this problem? Absolutely!!
Have I tried to solved it? Yes, repeatedly.
Could I of done more?
I honestly don't know, I am how ever open to suggestions and third party intervention GigaHz is willing to participate.
Philby
You have a good idea there, I don't mind paying for someones time just so long as I know they want for lack of a better term a "handlers fee".
Some kind of concrete rules, or at least some kind of guidelines so we can avoid this kind of thing in the future.
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My thoughts are this. If someone is looking for help, and you offer it, that's it. If you want to get paid for your time, make sure you are honest and upfront with it.
That pretty well summarizes my thoughts as well... :tu:
Totally agree with that as well. :salute:
:salute: Straitforward or nothing...I've seen some eBay seller's charging excessive handling charges for international and those for "Shipping to USA only".
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My thoughts are this. If someone is looking for help, and you offer it, that's it. If you want to get paid for your time, make sure you are honest and upfront with it.
That pretty well summarizes my thoughts as well... :tu:
+1 :tu:
I agree. Going forward, let's all be sure to make our expectations clear to one another before entering into any sort of arrangement like this. :salute:
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My thoughts are this. If someone is looking for help, and you offer it, that's it. If you want to get paid for your time, make sure you are honest and upfront with it.
That pretty well summarizes my thoughts as well... :tu:
Same for me but my opinion is probably worth less than horse smurf here as I don't have any e-repuration whatsoever here :)
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At this point, it looks like this has been rehashed more than is probably needed. Time to move on. :police:
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