Post by: Zed on September 25, 2017, 07:32:10 PM
Post by: gene stoner on September 25, 2017, 07:43:41 PM
Is this what you mean?
Post by: Sneider on September 25, 2017, 07:48:18 PM
Post by: Zed on September 25, 2017, 07:51:25 PM
Post by: NorCalJim on September 25, 2017, 07:52:05 PM
https://youtu.be/VSUU0eN8w64
Is this what you mean?
What a great idea! I purchased a number of small ferro units with holes drilled to thread paracord through them but replacing the toothpick with a ferro rod is a better idea!
Jim
Post by: Rich S on September 25, 2017, 08:03:09 PM
Rich
Post by: Zed on September 25, 2017, 08:10:51 PM
Great idea. Where can you order them from (in the US)?
Rich
The guy is on FB he is in the U.S :tu:
Post by: magentus on September 25, 2017, 08:15:24 PM
Post by: Mechanickal on September 25, 2017, 08:19:05 PM
Fab idea! I'm not on FB so does anyone have an idea of the price? UK Group buy anyone?Hey mags, if you can get your hands on those, please forward a few to me as well :D
Not enough countrymen here for a groupbuy...
Post by: magentus on September 25, 2017, 08:23:08 PM
Copy that Homey :tu:Fab idea! I'm not on FB so does anyone have an idea of the price? UK Group buy anyone?Hey mags, if you can get your hands on those, please forward a few to me as well :D
Not enough countrymen here for a groupbuy...
Post by: Zed on September 25, 2017, 08:29:18 PM
Post by: magentus on September 25, 2017, 08:36:34 PM
That's not bad is it? Maybe one our US amigo's can act as a go between?
Post by: Zed on September 25, 2017, 08:40:11 PM
:facepalm: I'll get me coat.
That's not bad is it? Maybe one our US amigo's can act as a go between?
:D it sounds good to me,I did ask the guy about uk postage ,he said he will look into it :tu: I would love one on my Huntsman :tu: on will be in kickstarter tommorow .
Post by: Smashie on September 25, 2017, 09:05:40 PM
Post by: Fast Bill on September 25, 2017, 09:24:18 PM
:facepalm: I'll get me coat.
That's not bad is it? Maybe one our US amigo's can act as a go between?
:D it sounds good to me,I did ask the guy about uk postage ,he said he will look into it :tu: I would love one on my Huntsman :tu: on will be in kickstarter tommorow .
Sounds interesting :popcorn:
Post by: MusicMen on September 25, 2017, 10:16:10 PM
If it is the size of the small Victorinox tweezers/toothpick it will fit the Leatherman Style CS/PS with a small amount taken off the tip.
Post by: Zed on September 25, 2017, 10:19:51 PM
I'm interested.
If it is the size of the small Victorinox tweezers/toothpick it will fit the Leatherman Style CS/PS with a small amount taken off the tip.
He was saying it would fit smaller sak as well , I'll sacrifice my toothpick on my hunstman for one of these :tu:
Post by: GoatDragon on September 26, 2017, 12:24:17 AM
Does anyone have an idea how many strikes we could expect out of a ferro rod of this size before it's spent?
Post by: Borg on September 26, 2017, 12:31:19 AM
Post by: an0nemus on September 26, 2017, 12:46:17 AM
Post by: ironraven on September 26, 2017, 01:16:06 AM
I"d rather it replaced the pen, I use my toothpick. For my teeth.
Everyone may turn green now. :P
Post by: WolfyW on September 26, 2017, 02:43:07 AM
Post by: ReamerPunch on September 26, 2017, 03:29:57 AM
Skip to 9 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyhn_yYuTK4
Post by: ReamerPunch on September 26, 2017, 03:33:10 AM
Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 26, 2017, 03:35:56 AM
...I'll sacrifice my toothpick on my hunstman for one of these :tu:I'd just use it as a toothpick when I'm not trying to burn down the forest with it.
I have a very small fire steel that I put in a survival tin. It works quite well with the nail file of the Classic SD that's in the tin also.
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It's very thin and it probably wouldn't take much to snap it in half. I question the durability of a fire steel the size of a SAK toothpick.
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Post by: Zed on September 26, 2017, 07:30:06 AM
Post by: GoatDragon on September 26, 2017, 08:56:00 AM
It's very thin and it probably wouldn't take much to snap it in half. I question the durability of a fire steel the size of a SAK toothpick.That's a good point, this super thin ferro rod would break very easily. I will be holding on to my money until I can see some real reviewers get their hands on these and put them to the test.
Post by: Zed on September 26, 2017, 09:24:49 AM
It's very thin and it probably wouldn't take much to snap it in half. I question the durability of a fire steel the size of a SAK toothpick.That's a good point, this super thin ferro rod would break very easily. I will be holding on to my money until I can see some real reviewers get their hands on these and put them to the test.
I would only use a Ferro rod in a diar emergency once I've drained all fire lighting resources, so hopefully it would be ok in a emergency but not a use all the time lighter :tu:
Post by: Shuya on September 26, 2017, 10:42:25 AM
How about replacing the pen on plus-scales? Is there a mod, too?
Guess I have to do it myself.
Good idea though.
Post by: Zed on September 26, 2017, 11:19:57 AM
Why replace the toothpick? I use that one quite often.
How about replacing the pen on plus-scales? Is there a mod, too?
Guess I have to do it myself.
Good idea though.
I probably use the toothpick more than the tweezers :D I wonder if he will do one to fit in the pen slot ? I guess due to not many having plus scales he had gone with the toothpick option :tu:
Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 26, 2017, 02:06:05 PM
I would only use a Ferro rod in a diar emergency once I've drained all fire lighting resources, so hopefully it would be ok in a emergency but not a use all the time lighter :tu:I've heard this philosophy quite often from many people. It makes no sense to me. A "dire emergency" implies someone's (probably your own) LIFE is on the line. Literally, life and death. Why do people select questionable pieces of kit that they reserve for the moment their own life hangs in the balance? You don't see your local fire department doing this. Self-rescue gear should be stuff that has been tested in the field under dire conditions by professional warriors or rescue personnel--or in the case of most of the stuff we talk about in this forum, survival instructors. Heckler & Koch firearms aren't used by elite units worldwide because they're cheap. They're used because they are battle tested.
If I could literally freeze to death, I don't want to hope a metal toothpick will work. I want to KNOW that it has worked for others in my situation.
Sorry for the rant, but I think the opposite philosophy should be adopted. Save the questionable gear for fun camping trips when you have a backup against failure. Use something you KNOW will work when you are planning your self-rescue kit.
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Post by: Zed on September 26, 2017, 02:12:17 PM
I would only use a Ferro rod in a diar emergency once I've drained all fire lighting resources, so hopefully it would be ok in a emergency but not a use all the time lighter :tu:I've heard this philosophy quite often from many people. It makes no sense to me. A "dire emergency" implies someone's (probably your own) LIFE is on the line. Literally, life and death. Why do people select questionable pieces of kit that they reserve for the moment their own life hangs in the balance? You don't see your local fire department doing this. Self-rescue gear should be stuff that has been tested in the field under dire conditions by professional warriors or rescue personnel. Heckler & Koch firearms aren't used by elite units worldwide because they're cheap. They're used because they are battle tested.
If I could literally freeze to death, I don't want to hope a metal toothpick will work. I want to KNOW that it has worked for others in my situation.
Sorry for the rant, but I think the opposite philosophy should be adopted. Save the questionable gear for fun camping trips when you have a backup against failure. Use something you KNOW will work when you are planning your self-rescue kit.
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Ok,look I probably would never use this thin Ferro rod as for emergencys I have much bigger better ones ,but in my fire starting kit I've other options,lighter ,matches,mag glass , and 2 large Ferro rods, for me this little Ferro rod would be my last resort if i had sweet FA else, yep that's my rant over as well :D
Post by: magentus on September 26, 2017, 02:29:17 PM
Post by: Zed on September 26, 2017, 02:34:01 PM
Gentlemen. I feel this calls for a combined Zed/Tired_Yeti 'Weekend up a mountain with only your SAK' camping challenge. Do you both accept? There's a special badge in it for the winner (whether or not it is issued posthumously). :cheers:
Up a mountain alone sounds better :rofl:
Post by: magentus on September 26, 2017, 02:37:01 PM
But if you have to be up a mountain, a Yeti is the right person to be with :tu:Gentlemen. I feel this calls for a combined Zed/Tired_Yeti 'Weekend up a mountain with only your SAK' camping challenge. Do you both accept? There's a special badge in it for the winner (whether or not it is issued posthumously). :cheers:
Up a mountain alone sounds better :rofl:
Post by: Zed on September 26, 2017, 02:41:42 PM
But if you have to be up a mountain, a Yeti is the right person to be with :tu:Gentlemen. I feel this calls for a combined Zed/Tired_Yeti 'Weekend up a mountain with only your SAK' camping challenge. Do you both accept? There's a special badge in it for the winner (whether or not it is issued posthumously). :cheers:
Up a mountain alone sounds better :rofl:
Or not :D I guess I could get money for photos of the yeti :D
Post by: magentus on September 26, 2017, 03:05:12 PM
That's the spirit!But if you have to be up a mountain, a Yeti is the right person to be with :tu:Gentlemen. I feel this calls for a combined Zed/Tired_Yeti 'Weekend up a mountain with only your SAK' camping challenge. Do you both accept? There's a special badge in it for the winner (whether or not it is issued posthumously). :cheers:
Up a mountain alone sounds better :rofl:
Or not :D I guess I could get money for photos of the yeti :D
Post by: Zed on September 26, 2017, 03:18:55 PM
That's the spirit!But if you have to be up a mountain, a Yeti is the right person to be with :tu:Gentlemen. I feel this calls for a combined Zed/Tired_Yeti 'Weekend up a mountain with only your SAK' camping challenge. Do you both accept? There's a special badge in it for the winner (whether or not it is issued posthumously). :cheers:
Up a mountain alone sounds better :rofl:
Or not :D I guess I could get money for photos of the yeti :D
:D I could sell the pics and buy more Ferro rods :rofl:
Post by: Aloha on September 26, 2017, 04:32:43 PM
Post by: Mechanickal on September 26, 2017, 05:38:29 PM
A SAK is a multi function tool.
For some people the addition of a fire starting method, even though a small one, in exchange for a toothpick is a neat idea.
What is the survival essential? A good knife! It's even better when you can add a fire starting method to it.
When you're freezing to death, this little gadget MIGHT save your life. Maybe it won't work when it should, true that. But still, your chances of starting a fire with it will be higher then they will be with your toothpick.
I understand Zed's philosophy in the thought of "last resort" but I also understand Yeti's thought of "In an emergency you need to make sure you've got the best equipment with you"
Then again, Yeti, this thing won't weigh more then the toothpick and gives you another option of starting a fire.
Truth be told, I've stored a strike-anywhere-match under some SAK corkscrews just in case I REALLY need a fire, even though it gives me just 1 shot, it's still better then no shot at all. Simply because there MIGHT be times when you didn't bring your kit. Maybe because it's lost or maybe because you never expected to need it there in the first place.
Ok, the reply might be "you NEED to take a kit anywhere" but not everybody is like that, and that's fine if they choose to.
I try to take some essentials with me everywhere: SAK and/or multi, lighter, flashlight, paracord, FAK etc but there are also times in which I leave it in the car or store some alternatives in pockets, shrinking my posibilities.
Post by: Zed on September 26, 2017, 06:01:55 PM
Post by: an0nemus on September 26, 2017, 06:04:41 PM
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/740457940/firefly-the-ultimate-swiss-army-knife-accessory
Post by: GoatDragon on September 26, 2017, 06:21:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/PK5M0r0.gif)
Anyone who has ever used a ferro rod will tell you it doesn't ignite material anywhere close to that quickly.
Post by: pomsbz on September 26, 2017, 06:27:02 PM
That said, I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't tempted. If only for giggles. :D If anyone is interested in doing a bulk order to the UK I'll take a pack of the mini's. I'll be there in Feb/Mar. Just tell me who to pay and how much. :)
Post by: pomsbz on September 26, 2017, 06:31:35 PM
Post by: FeebleOldMan on September 26, 2017, 06:38:09 PM
Was looking over that kickstarter page. Wtf is up with this gif?
(https://i.imgur.com/PK5M0r0.gif)
Anyone who has ever used a ferro rod will tell you it doesn't ignite material anywhere close to that quickly.
Gratuitous use of accelerants? Fast-forwarded video editing? Filmed with a bluescreen background in the moon-landing studio? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Either way, the video does show "normal" sparking and ignition of the tinder in similar setups.
Post by: pomsbz on September 26, 2017, 07:03:46 PM
Was looking over that kickstarter page. Wtf is up with this gif?
(https://i.imgur.com/PK5M0r0.gif)
Anyone who has ever used a ferro rod will tell you it doesn't ignite material anywhere close to that quickly.
Gratuitous use of accelerants? Fast-forwarded video editing? Filmed with a bluescreen background in the moon-landing studio? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Either way, the video does show "normal" sparking and ignition of the tinder in similar setups.
It's got gas sprinkled on it. No other way the fire would have spread so fast. Dishonest, though in keeping with regular advertisement honesty or lack thereof. :(
EDIT: they've used the same trick on all the tinder types they show. Bad taste in the mouth. Or they have invented the worlds best firesteel.
Post by: strmliner on September 26, 2017, 07:38:01 PM
I would only use a Ferro rod in a diar emergency once I've drained all fire lighting resources, so hopefully it would be ok in a emergency but not a use all the time lighter :tu:I've heard this philosophy quite often from many people. It makes no sense to me. A "dire emergency" implies someone's (probably your own) LIFE is on the line. Literally, life and death. Why do people select questionable pieces of kit that they reserve for the moment their own life hangs in the balance? You don't see your local fire department doing this. Self-rescue gear should be stuff that has been tested in the field under dire conditions by professional warriors or rescue personnel--or in the case of most of the stuff we talk about in this forum, survival instructors. Heckler & Koch firearms aren't used by elite units worldwide because they're cheap. They're used because they are battle tested.
If I could literally freeze to death, I don't want to hope a metal toothpick will work. I want to KNOW that it has worked for others in my situation.
Sorry for the rant, but I think the opposite philosophy should be adopted. Save the questionable gear for fun camping trips when you have a backup against failure. Use something you KNOW will work when you are planning your self-rescue kit.
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Having a background in mountain and desert S&R, couldn't agree more! :2tu:
Post by: GoatDragon on September 26, 2017, 09:55:47 PM
Was looking over that kickstarter page. Wtf is up with this gif?
(https://i.imgur.com/PK5M0r0.gif)
Anyone who has ever used a ferro rod will tell you it doesn't ignite material anywhere close to that quickly.
Gratuitous use of accelerants? Fast-forwarded video editing? Filmed with a bluescreen background in the moon-landing studio? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Either way, the video does show "normal" sparking and ignition of the tinder in similar setups.
It's got gas sprinkled on it. No other way the fire would have spread so fast. Dishonest, though in keeping with regular advertisement honesty or lack thereof. :(
EDIT: they've used the same trick on all the tinder types they show. Bad taste in the mouth. Or they have invented the worlds best firesteel.
Yeah, I just watched their video and the claim to have a special blend of "rare earth metals" that is both stronger than traditional ferrocerium rods, and also softer so it won't damage your knife blade. Isn't that a tad contradictory? :think:
I am still tempted to back it, because I want to test it. But I also want to wait for them to ship and for someone to test these out and post a video on youtube.
Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 27, 2017, 01:20:41 AM
...(whether or not it is issued posthumously). :cheers:ROFL!!!!
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Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 27, 2017, 02:10:09 AM
Was looking over that kickstarter page. Wtf is up with this gif?Unless it's computer graphics, it looks like the tinder has been doused with with a highly flammable accelerant. Maybe Coleman fuel or gasoline? As a teenager, I've lit trash fires in our burn barrel with gasoline and they flashed like that--although a bit bigger and scarier. LOL!
(https://i.imgur.com/PK5M0r0.gif)
Anyone who has ever used a ferro rod will tell you it doesn't ignite material anywhere close to that quickly.
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Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 27, 2017, 02:27:23 AM
It's very thin and it probably wouldn't take much to snap it in half. I question the durability of a fire steel the size of a SAK toothpick.That's a good point, this super thin ferro rod would break very easily. I will be holding on to my money until I can see some real reviewers get their hands on these and put them to the test.
I'm with these guys. :cheers:
I'm not currently doing anything in my life that necessitates me carrying a firesteel of any kind, but if I was, I would want something more substantial than this. Better than nothing? OK, fair enough, but there comes a point where something becomes too compromised. This is like carrying one plaster/bandaid as a First Aid Kit. That;s still better than nothing, but I am sure most people here would decide that if they wanted a FAK, they would want more than that one item. If I decided I wanted to have a firesteel on me, I would want more than this ;)
Post by: Zed on September 27, 2017, 02:44:13 AM
Post by: Boonies on September 27, 2017, 02:58:09 AM
Post by: Zed on September 27, 2017, 03:09:59 AM
I bought this old Browning knife some time ago just because it had a built in ferro rod. Kind of a Huntsman with a ferro rod instead of a corkscrew. Same diameter as the Exotac Nanostriker (3/16" I believe), so replacement rods are available. It's a press fit so that it can be removed and used. The knife was made in Germany. :cheers:
:tu: that's cool and a better diameter rod :D always better I've been told :rofl:
Post by: Boonies on September 27, 2017, 03:12:57 AM
I bought this old Browning knife some time ago just because it had a built in ferro rod. Kind of a Huntsman with a ferro rod instead of a corkscrew. Same diameter as the Exotac Nanostriker (3/16" I believe), so replacement rods are available. It's a press fit so that it can be removed and used. The knife was made in Germany. :cheers:
:tu: that's cool and a better diameter rod :D always better I've been told :rofl:
It's a bit short though....... :rofl:
Post by: Zed on September 27, 2017, 03:30:41 AM
I bought this old Browning knife some time ago just because it had a built in ferro rod. Kind of a Huntsman with a ferro rod instead of a corkscrew. Same diameter as the Exotac Nanostriker (3/16" I believe), so replacement rods are available. It's a press fit so that it can be removed and used. The knife was made in Germany. :cheers:
:tu: that's cool and a better diameter rod :D always better I've been told :rofl:
It's a bit short though....... :rofl:
That's what she said :rofl:
Post by: Boonies on September 27, 2017, 03:49:42 AM
Post by: Mactire404 on September 27, 2017, 10:05:39 AM
I've been thinking about making one myself, but at $14,- for three I might reconsider and order a set.
I like the fluorecent head and glow in the dark is always a plus.
Imagine this on stayglow scales... :drool:
Post by: caninesapien on September 27, 2017, 10:51:53 AM
Post by: ReamerPunch on September 27, 2017, 11:50:33 AM
Still, I'm in for an Australian group buy. :tu:
Post by: Corwyn on September 27, 2017, 02:22:01 PM
Worst case scenario I can ask someone for reposting it (at least from UK it skips customs - for now).
Post by: an0nemus on September 27, 2017, 02:41:58 PM
PfrZed....😜
:rofl:
--
a local Philippine dealer ordered 64 of these. I'll be getting some when they arrive and try to post a review here :tu:
Post by: Lardlad on September 27, 2017, 03:57:16 PM
Interesting claims about the material they're using. I have a bunch of very slim firesteels I obtained from firesteel.com that are approximately the same thickness as the Firefly and those work nicely; if they do have an improved material then so much the better.
Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 27, 2017, 04:22:33 PM
I bought this old Browning knife some time ago just because it had a built in ferro rod. Kind of a Huntsman with a ferro rod instead of a corkscrew. Same diameter as the Exotac Nanostriker (3/16" I believe), so replacement rods are available. It's a press fit so that it can be removed and used. The knife was made in Germany. :cheers:I like that idea. I'd like to see Victorinox replace the corkscrew on some models with this.
I'd love to see a mod for this. I've never modified a SAK myself so I think it'll be a long wait if the world waits for *me* to come up with one. That said, this has really sparked my interest.
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Post by: Don Pablo on September 27, 2017, 04:34:59 PM
It's been done before by someone on here I think. :think: :tu:I bought this old Browning knife some time ago just because it had a built in ferro rod. Kind of a Huntsman with a ferro rod instead of a corkscrew. Same diameter as the Exotac Nanostriker (3/16" I believe), so replacement rods are available. It's a press fit so that it can be removed and used. The knife was made in Germany. :cheers:I like that idea. I'd like to see Victorinox replace the corkscrew on some models with this.
I'd love to see a mod for this. I've never modified a SAK myself so I think it'll be a long wait if the world waits for *me* to come up with one. That said, this has really sparked my interest.
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Post by: Don Pablo on September 27, 2017, 04:37:48 PM
Found it! Spork60's "Hotspark Tinker". I think that this is V1, and he got up to V2 or V3?It's been done before by someone on here I think. :think: :tu:I bought this old Browning knife some time ago just because it had a built in ferro rod. Kind of a Huntsman with a ferro rod instead of a corkscrew. Same diameter as the Exotac Nanostriker (3/16" I believe), so replacement rods are available. It's a press fit so that it can be removed and used. The knife was made in Germany. :cheers:I like that idea. I'd like to see Victorinox replace the corkscrew on some models with this.
I'd love to see a mod for this. I've never modified a SAK myself so I think it'll be a long wait if the world waits for *me* to come up with one. That said, this has really sparked my interest.
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http://www.swissarmyknights.com/articles/2005/111-hotspark-tinker
Post by: Zed on September 27, 2017, 05:08:49 PM
Found it! Spork60's "Hotspark Tinker". I think that this is V1, and he got up to V2 or V3?It's been done before by someone on here I think. :think: :tu:I bought this old Browning knife some time ago just because it had a built in ferro rod. Kind of a Huntsman with a ferro rod instead of a corkscrew. Same diameter as the Exotac Nanostriker (3/16" I believe), so replacement rods are available. It's a press fit so that it can be removed and used. The knife was made in Germany. :cheers:I like that idea. I'd like to see Victorinox replace the corkscrew on some models with this.
I'd love to see a mod for this. I've never modified a SAK myself so I think it'll be a long wait if the world waits for *me* to come up with one. That said, this has really sparked my interest.
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http://www.swissarmyknights.com/articles/2005/111-hotspark-tinker
This idea is cool :tu:
Post by: gene stoner on September 27, 2017, 05:47:30 PM
I well definitely be trying some of these out. Imagine a Rambler that starts fires. It would have great potential for mini PSK.
Post by: Nix on September 27, 2017, 06:40:06 PM
Cool idea though. I'd love to have one of these for my Hiker and Huntsman -- my most commonly used SAKs for hiking/camping/fishing.
Post by: pomsbz on September 27, 2017, 07:12:20 PM
Fire is the most important survival skill you could have.
Depends where you live and the time of the year actually. The obsession with constantly needing fire does seem strange to those of us living in hot desert climates. :D
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 27, 2017, 07:29:20 PM
Fire is the most important survival skill you could have.
Depends where you live and the time of the year actually. The obsession with constantly needing fire does seem strange to those of us living in hot desert climates. :D
Agreed. :tu:
Even here in the UK, you have areas which get tinder dry in summer, or peaty ground underfoot so the fires spreading are a potential hazard. Also, much of the UK is open moorland, where there simply aren't the fuels to build a fire with. This is without taking into account that even if it isn't raining now, it probably was not too long ago, and everything is too bloody wet to be of any use.
I'm a big believer that you should plan your kit based on suddenly regaining consciousness in the middle of nowhere at dusk or later, already tired, cold, dehydrated and disoriented, and then realising that you've lost the use of an arm or leg due to injury. NOW you're in a proper "how the smurf do I get out of this?" scenario. Don't rely on fire being a tool at your disposal, it may not be safe or practical. Aim to survive until help comes with what is in your pack WITHOUT having the luxury of fire, then should fire be safe and practical, it is a bonus. Far too much emphasis is placed on fire in my opinion.
YMMV subject to location and prevailing conditions.
Post by: pistonsandgears on September 27, 2017, 07:33:52 PM
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Yeah, I just watched their video and the claim to have a special blend of "rare earth metals" that is both stronger than traditional ferrocerium rods, and also softer so it won't damage your knife blade. Isn't that a tad contradictory? :think:
I am still tempted to back it, because I want to test it. But I also want to wait for them to ship and for someone to test these out and post a video on youtube.
Post by: gene stoner on September 27, 2017, 07:37:09 PM
Fire is the most important survival skill you could have.
Depends where you live and the time of the year actually. The obsession with constantly needing fire does seem strange to those of us living in hot desert climates. :D
Fire = signaling, water purifying, light just for starters. I live in the desert of SE Washington. And yes most of the year you would be just fine W/O fire over night till about this time of year. Personally in July/August when only cools off to high 80's low 90's at night I still want a fire if for nothing but the sicological
comfort it gives
Just my view of the world.
My back yard.
Post by: pistonsandgears on September 27, 2017, 07:46:08 PM
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It's got gas sprinkled on it. No other way the fire would have spread so fast. Dishonest, though in keeping with regular advertisement honesty or lack thereof. :(
EDIT: they've used the same trick on all the tinder types they show. Bad taste in the mouth. Or they have invented the worlds best firesteel.
I asked, no accelerant was used in the video demonstration of tinder lighting, just "very dry good quality tinder".
Post by: pistonsandgears on September 27, 2017, 07:49:43 PM
Post by: Nix on September 27, 2017, 07:54:47 PM
One of the courses was up on a mountain in sub-zero weather with brutal wind chill and feet of snow. Fire was no luxury. No fire, meant no potable water. Sure, I can tell you, when it's -40ºF a hot fire feels pretty darn good. And try to brew a decent cup of tea without some sort of fire or variant thereof. I've been to the desert; fire is good there too.
Is fire always necessary? No, not really. Certainly if one is trying to stay concealed, fire is likely to be a liability. But my experience has taught me never to go anywhere without the ability to make fire. We don't always get to pick our survival situations and moments.
Homo erectus was only able to evolve into Homo sapiens because of fire. We are literally the children of the fire.
Post by: Zed on September 27, 2017, 08:22:44 PM
The military put me though a few survival courses. Each one emphasized fire-making as a skill.
One of the courses was up on a mountain in sub-zero weather with brutal wind chill and feet of snow. Fire was no luxury. No fire, meant no potable water. Sure, I can tell you, when it's -40ºF a hot fire feels pretty darn good. And try to brew a decent cup of tea without some sort of fire or variant thereof. I've been to the desert; fire is good there too.
Is fire always necessary? No, not really. Certainly if one is trying to stay concealed, fire is likely to be a liability. But my experience has taught me never to go anywhere without the ability to make fire. We don't always get to pick our survival situations and moments.
Homo erectus was only able to evolve into Homo sapiens because of fire. We are literally the children of the fire.
:salute: respect mate :tu:
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 27, 2017, 08:43:14 PM
Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 27, 2017, 10:56:55 PM
It's been done before by someone on here I think. :think: :tu:You are a hero to mankind!
Found it! Spork60's "Hotspark Tinker". I think that this is V1, and he got up to V2 or V3?
http://www.swissarmyknights.com/articles/2005/111-hotspark-tinker (http://www.swissarmyknights.com/articles/2005/111-hotspark-tinker)
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Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 27, 2017, 11:10:12 PM
I asked, no accelerant was used in the video demonstration of tinder lighting, just "very dry good quality tinder".Nope. Dry tinder doesn't flash, sorry. Solids do not burn and liquids do not burn. Only gases burn. Combustion of a solid happens when that material is heated enough to begin releasing combustible gases. They want me to believe that a single spark from a toothpick sized source heated a wad of wood shavings to the point of flashover? Sounds great! But I happen to have a college degree in this stuff and I know that it's just not true. There were fumes of an accelerant involved.
Unless by "good quality tinder" they mean they are using something other than dry wood.
I've used this steel and the Classic SD nail file to light a Vaseline saturated cotton ball.
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It immediately ignited on the first spark, but it didn't flash.
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Post by: pistonsandgears on September 28, 2017, 12:11:41 AM
Quote from: Tired_Yeti Nope. Dry tinder doesn't [b
flash[/b], sorry. Solids do not burn and liquids do not burn. Only gases burn. Combustion of a solid happens when that material is heated enough to begin releasing combustible gases. They want me to believe that a single spark from a toothpick sized source heated a wad of wood shavings to the point of flashover? Sounds great! But I happen to have a college degree in this stuff and I know that it's just not true. There were fumes of an accelerant involved.
Unless by "good quality tinder" they mean they are using something other than dry wood.
I've used this steel and the Classic SD nail file to light a Vaseline saturated cotton ball.
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It immediately ignited on the first spark, but it didn't flash.
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Are you referring to the video or the GIF? The GIF is obviously just a few frames and does not show the full sequence. The video does show ignition of several different types of tinder.
Post by: Nix on September 28, 2017, 12:13:40 AM
That's why I think people should plan to not need [FIRE] so far as is reasonably practicable. Reliance on something that you don't already have in your kit, and cannot 100% guarantee to be able to source, make and use, irrespective of heath, or environment is not sound planning in my own humble opinion. I always carry some form of fire starting kit. I have never had to use it, because my kit has always dealt with everything life has thrown at me .... so far ....
I basically agree with you, Trad. Be prepared.
I do want to ask you, though, if you go camping or out for a picnic, do you take a stove of some kind with you? I like camping and picnicking and will take a stove along (white gas, alcohol, isobutane). So, I often don't need a fire. Nevertheless, I often end up making a fire to keep my better half warm and entertained. And S'mores just aren't the same when cooked over an isobutane stove. :D
If you have a stove with you, I'm going to argue that you are essentially using fire (I've used a ferro rod to light a stove, too!). Yes, you are better prepared and don't need to forage for fuel, but you're still using fire. Or else your tea is going to suck. :cheers:
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 28, 2017, 12:31:52 AM
That's why I think people should plan to not need [FIRE] so far as is reasonably practicable. Reliance on something that you don't already have in your kit, and cannot 100% guarantee to be able to source, make and use, irrespective of heath, or environment is not sound planning in my own humble opinion. I always carry some form of fire starting kit. I have never had to use it, because my kit has always dealt with everything life has thrown at me .... so far ....
I basically agree with you, Trad. Be prepared.
I do want to ask you, though, if you go camping or out for a picnic, do you take a stove of some kind with you? I like camping and picnicking and will take a stove along (white gas, alcohol, isobutane). So, I often don't need a fire. Nevertheless, I often end up making a fire to keep my better half warm and entertained. And S'mores just aren't the same when cooked over an isobutane stove. :D
If you have a stove with you, I'm going to argue that you are essentially using fire (I've used a ferro rod to light a stove, too!). Yes, you are better prepared and don't need to forage for fuel, but you're still using fire. Or else your tea is going to suck. :cheers:
Absolutely! :tu: However, for me it still comes down to having it in your pack, not having to go "foraging" for it. Day hike, it's probably a Jetboil, but I might have a back up hexamine type stove (I know that stuff is vile, but it's another fire in the pack in case the Jetboil dies) if a hot drink is important. The nearest I would come to having to forage for fire stuff would be a Wild Woodgas Stove .... but again, I'll have some form of back up stove. If I'm liable to need it, I take it with me, not hope it just happens to be there when I need it. It comes back to the waking up disoriented and injured thing, when you really NEED it, you don't have the time or strength to improvise, so make damn sure you already have it
Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 28, 2017, 02:20:23 AM
...The video does show ignition of several different types of tinder.I don't doubt that it will work. As I had mentioned, I successfully used a small fire steel with a small SAK on several occasions.
My issue was that most of us know what it looks like to use a fire steel and it's not necessary to take artistic liberties to "hype" it. My concern from the beginning is simply about the longevity of the rod.
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Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 28, 2017, 04:44:15 AM
Fire is the most important survival skill you could have...You may be right. I suppose some might argue with you that the ability to find and purify water might be the most important survival skill. Because of the benefits of heat and signaling, fire certainly ranks up top.
The saying goes, "You can survive 3 hours without shelter, 3 days without water, and 3 weeks without food"...any longer and life begins to suck really hard. So if you've got about 3 hours or less (in theory) to protect yourself and keep yourself warm and dry, fire starting skills are a priority for certain.
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Post by: an0nemus on September 28, 2017, 07:34:58 AM
The military put me though a few survival courses. Each one emphasized fire-making as a skill.Fire and tools, right?
One of the courses was up on a mountain in sub-zero weather with brutal wind chill and feet of snow. Fire was no luxury. No fire, meant no potable water. Sure, I can tell you, when it's -40ºF a hot fire feels pretty darn good. And try to brew a decent cup of tea without some sort of fire or variant thereof. I've been to the desert; fire is good there too.
Is fire always necessary? No, not really. Certainly if one is trying to stay concealed, fire is likely to be a liability. But my experience has taught me never to go anywhere without the ability to make fire. We don't always get to pick our survival situations and moments.
Homo erectus was only able to evolve into Homo sapiens because of fire. We are literally the children of the fire.
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Post by: Don Pablo on September 28, 2017, 12:00:49 PM
I love those scales. :DThe military put me though a few survival courses. Each one emphasized fire-making as a skill.Fire and tools, right?
One of the courses was up on a mountain in sub-zero weather with brutal wind chill and feet of snow. Fire was no luxury. No fire, meant no potable water. Sure, I can tell you, when it's -40ºF a hot fire feels pretty darn good. And try to brew a decent cup of tea without some sort of fire or variant thereof. I've been to the desert; fire is good there too.
Is fire always necessary? No, not really. Certainly if one is trying to stay concealed, fire is likely to be a liability. But my experience has taught me never to go anywhere without the ability to make fire. We don't always get to pick our survival situations and moments.
Homo erectus was only able to evolve into Homo sapiens because of fire. We are literally the children of the fire.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170928/9905f6895e98dda01ada99fa184b8bd6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170928/fb5d695dd65a6ae008e6512b28757fe5.jpg)
Post by: an0nemus on September 28, 2017, 12:02:51 PM
So do I; I wish they're mineI love those scales. :DThe military put me though a few survival courses. Each one emphasized fire-making as a skill.Fire and tools, right?
One of the courses was up on a mountain in sub-zero weather with brutal wind chill and feet of snow. Fire was no luxury. No fire, meant no potable water. Sure, I can tell you, when it's -40ºF a hot fire feels pretty darn good. And try to brew a decent cup of tea without some sort of fire or variant thereof. I've been to the desert; fire is good there too.
Is fire always necessary? No, not really. Certainly if one is trying to stay concealed, fire is likely to be a liability. But my experience has taught me never to go anywhere without the ability to make fire. We don't always get to pick our survival situations and moments.
Homo erectus was only able to evolve into Homo sapiens because of fire. We are literally the children of the fire.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170928/9905f6895e98dda01ada99fa184b8bd6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170928/fb5d695dd65a6ae008e6512b28757fe5.jpg)
Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 28, 2017, 04:03:15 PM
Fire and tools, right?WANT!
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Post by: Nix on September 28, 2017, 06:43:13 PM
(Pardon the pun. :-[)
Post by: Don Pablo on September 28, 2017, 06:47:36 PM
Those scales rock!Groan :D
(Pardon the pun. :-[)
Post by: an0nemus on September 28, 2017, 06:53:26 PM
Those scales rock!
(Pardon the pun. :-[)
Post by: twiliter on September 28, 2017, 07:58:21 PM
Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 28, 2017, 08:40:48 PM
Ok, just to continue on Zed and Yeti's posts:You know I wasn't attacking Zed. As I said, I've heard many people from Amazon reviews to various websites to people I've met all speaking about getting a piece of gear for survival that they wouldn't trust during a routine day. Unless the intent of the piece, such as a matchstick, is for it to be used only once; I think we should look for gear they we'd expect to be up to the rigors of daily use. That's really all I was saying. If I don't think it could handle normal use, it would scare me to rely on it (whatever "it" is) in an emergency.
A SAK is a multi function tool.
For some people the addition of a fire starting method, even though a small one, in exchange for a toothpick is a neat idea.
What is the survival essential? A good knife! It's even better when you can add a fire starting method to it.
When you're freezing to death, this little gadget MIGHT save your life. Maybe it won't work when it should, true that. But still, your chances of starting a fire with it will be higher then they will be with your toothpick.
I understand Zed's philosophy in the thought of "last resort" but I also understand Yeti's thought of "In an emergency you need to make sure you've got the best equipment with you"
Then again, Yeti, this thing won't weigh more then the toothpick and gives you another option of starting a fire.
Truth be told, I've stored a strike-anywhere-match under some SAK corkscrews just in case I REALLY need a fire, even though it gives me just 1 shot, it's still better then no shot at all. Simply because there MIGHT be times when you didn't bring your kit. Maybe because it's lost or maybe because you never expected to need it there in the first place.
Ok, the reply might be "you NEED to take a kit anywhere" but not everybody is like that, and that's fine if they choose to.
I try to take some essentials with me everywhere: SAK and/or multi, lighter, flashlight, paracord, FAK etc but there are also times in which I leave it in the car or store some alternatives in pockets, shrinking my posibilities.
For the record, I never said that I wasn't going to buy one of those if/when they become available. I may wait for the canaries to come out of the coal mine first, though. Then again, I may buy one and use it once a day or for a couple of weeks to see how it holds up.
The downside to carrying this would that after I kill and eat a bear with my SAK, I won't be able to clean my teeth...without throwing sparks!
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Post by: Mechanickal on September 28, 2017, 09:36:44 PM
:salute:Ok, just to continue on Zed and Yeti's posts:You know I wasn't attacking Zed. As I said, I've heard many people from Amazon reviews to various websites to people I've met all speaking about getting a piece of gear for survival that they wouldn't trust during a routine day. Unless the intent of the piece, such as a matchstick, is for it to be used only once; I think we should look for gear they we'd expect to be up to the rigors of daily use. That's really all I was saying. If I don't think it could handle normal use, it would scare me to rely on it (whatever "it" is) in an emergency.
A SAK is a multi function tool.
For some people the addition of a fire starting method, even though a small one, in exchange for a toothpick is a neat idea.
What is the survival essential? A good knife! It's even better when you can add a fire starting method to it.
When you're freezing to death, this little gadget MIGHT save your life. Maybe it won't work when it should, true that. But still, your chances of starting a fire with it will be higher then they will be with your toothpick.
I understand Zed's philosophy in the thought of "last resort" but I also understand Yeti's thought of "In an emergency you need to make sure you've got the best equipment with you"
Then again, Yeti, this thing won't weigh more then the toothpick and gives you another option of starting a fire.
Truth be told, I've stored a strike-anywhere-match under some SAK corkscrews just in case I REALLY need a fire, even though it gives me just 1 shot, it's still better then no shot at all. Simply because there MIGHT be times when you didn't bring your kit. Maybe because it's lost or maybe because you never expected to need it there in the first place.
Ok, the reply might be "you NEED to take a kit anywhere" but not everybody is like that, and that's fine if they choose to.
I try to take some essentials with me everywhere: SAK and/or multi, lighter, flashlight, paracord, FAK etc but there are also times in which I leave it in the car or store some alternatives in pockets, shrinking my posibilities.
For the record, I never said that I wasn't going to buy one of those if/when they become available. I may wait for the canaries to come out of the coal mine first, though. Then again, I may buy one and use it once a day or for a couple of weeks to see how it holds up.
The downside to carrying this would that after I kill and eat a bear with my SAK, I won't be able to clean my teeth...without throwing sparks!
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Post by: WoodsDuck on September 29, 2017, 05:58:11 PM
Post by: Aloha on September 29, 2017, 06:08:02 PM
Post by: WoodsDuck on September 29, 2017, 06:27:24 PM
I have a ferro rod thats not quite as thin as the fire fly, I'll have to dig it out to my bin of stuff. I like the idea of this ferro rod a lot. I think carrying a pill fob with something like tinderquick would be a nice addition. A pill fob is small enough to not be cumbersome to add to ones daily carry.
Very good idea. For a budget alternative you could even pack some cotton soaked in petroleum jelly.
Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 29, 2017, 07:45:04 PM
I'm a big believer that you should plan your kit based on suddenly regaining consciousness in the middle of nowhere at dusk or later, already tired, cold, dehydrated and disoriented, and then realising that you've lost the use of an arm or leg due to injury.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170929/a2cff8267f90a0ba59b9f12d7f85e972.jpg)
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Post by: Aloha on September 29, 2017, 07:54:24 PM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 29, 2017, 09:11:18 PM
I'm a big believer that you should plan your kit based on suddenly regaining consciousness in the middle of nowhere at dusk or later, already tired, cold, dehydrated and disoriented, and then realising that you've lost the use of an arm or leg due to injury.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170929/a2cff8267f90a0ba59b9f12d7f85e972.jpg)
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I think that might be a big too heavy for me to lug about, and the functionality seems rather limited :whistle:
Post by: pomsbz on October 03, 2017, 05:35:13 PM
I'm a big believer that you should plan your kit based on suddenly regaining consciousness in the middle of nowhere at dusk or later, already tired, cold, dehydrated and disoriented, and then realising that you've lost the use of an arm or leg due to injury.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170929/a2cff8267f90a0ba59b9f12d7f85e972.jpg)
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I think that might be a big too heavy for me to lug about, and the functionality seems rather limited :whistle:
I have to admit to thinking along the lines of 'just how many mini bic's could I carry for the same size/bulk/weight' when looking at these kinds of solutions where you need to carry a rod, tinder and striker.
Post by: pfrsantos on October 03, 2017, 05:59:51 PM
Why replace the toothpick? I use that one quite often.
How about replacing the pen on plus-scales? Is there a mod, too?
Guess I have to do it myself.
Good idea though.
I probably use the toothpick more than the tweezers :D I wonder if he will do one to fit in the pen slot ? I guess due to not many having plus scales he had gone with the toothpick option :tu:
I think the idea behind this is that it's easier to improvise a toothpick than it is to improvise tweezers or a pen.
Post by: Aloha on October 05, 2017, 12:06:05 AM
Why replace the toothpick? I use that one quite often.
How about replacing the pen on plus-scales? Is there a mod, too?
Guess I have to do it myself.
Good idea though.
I probably use the toothpick more than the tweezers :D I wonder if he will do one to fit in the pen slot ? I guess due to not many having plus scales he had gone with the toothpick option :tu:
I think the idea behind this is that it's easier to improvise a toothpick than it is to improvise tweezers or a pen.
Guys come on. If you are in the woods and cannot go without a toothpick or make one then...........
Post by: Aloha on October 05, 2017, 12:08:22 AM
I'm a big believer that you should plan your kit based on suddenly regaining consciousness in the middle of nowhere at dusk or later, already tired, cold, dehydrated and disoriented, and then realising that you've lost the use of an arm or leg due to injury.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170929/a2cff8267f90a0ba59b9f12d7f85e972.jpg)
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I think that might be a big too heavy for me to lug about, and the functionality seems rather limited :whistle:
I have to admit to thinking along the lines of 'just how many mini bic's could I carry for the same size/bulk/weight' when looking at these kinds of solutions where you need to carry a rod, tinder and striker.
Mini bic is great. Tinder can be sourced from lint on out clothing or a small swatch of our clothing. With so many mind sets on "what if" I find there is no right or wrong. Whatever suits you and you can effect fire if need be then great.
Post by: Aloha on October 05, 2017, 12:16:50 AM
Video on the lighter starts at 5:30ish
https://youtu.be/M-AR_6yRI9A
Post by: Aloha on October 05, 2017, 12:40:05 AM
https://youtu.be/nX040jETvdA
Post by: Tired_Yeti on October 05, 2017, 03:22:25 AM
...thinking along the lines of 'just how many mini bic's could I carry for the same size/bulk/weight' when looking at these kinds of solutions where you need to carry a rod, tinder and striker.You shouldn't need to take tinder with you, IMO. That's what the SAK is for. Just process material you find in the wild.
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Post by: Tired_Yeti on October 05, 2017, 04:02:27 AM
Mini bic is great. Tinder can be sourced from lint on out clothing or a small swatch of our clothing...Be careful with that plan. Many of our modern clothing has been treated to be fire resistant. I harvested dryer lint to use as tinder. I put a match to it to test it, nothing. Put a butane lighter to it, nothing. A few wisps of smoke, but it never ignited. Apparently, many of my clothes are fire resistant to comply with California title 19 (I *think* that's the right code). I'd suggest intentionally wearing non-flame resistant clothing when going out in the bush if you plan to use your threads for tinder. Sounds crazy to intentionally wear combustible clothing, but that's what you'll need if you want to use your pocket lint or lose threads as tinder.
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Post by: Tired_Yeti on October 05, 2017, 04:12:25 AM
One mans thoughts. Also read the comment from Far North Bushcraft and Survial. This guy is from Alaska and has IMO a great channel.Maybe I'm a little biased because I lived in Alaska for 32 years (grew up there. I guess you could call me an Alaskan), but generally I listen when Alaskan outdoorsmen talk about bushcraft. Less than 1/10 of 1% of the land mass of Alaska is inhabited by man. It's very rural and very wild up there and the climate is rough. So Alaskan bushmen tend to know what they're talking about. Excluding myself. I'm sure I know much less than many of them. In any case, thanks for sharing the video.
Video on the lighter starts at 5:30ish
https://youtu.be/M-AR_6yRI9A
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Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 05, 2017, 05:32:21 AM
JR
Post by: Aloha on October 05, 2017, 06:18:36 AM
Mini bic is great. Tinder can be sourced from lint on out clothing or a small swatch of our clothing...Be careful with that plan. Many of our modern clothing has been treated to be fire resistant. I harvested dryer lint to use as tinder. I put a match to it to test it, nothing. Put a butane lighter to it, nothing. A few wisps of smoke, but it never ignited. Apparently, many of my clothes are fire resistant to comply with California title 19 (I *think* that's the right code). I'd suggest intentionally wearing non-flame resistant clothing when going out in the bush if you plan to use your threads for tinder. Sounds crazy to intentionally wear combustible clothing, but that's what you'll need if you want to use your pocket lint or lose threads as tinder.
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Great point. I'm thinking the cotton bandana I always carry would suffice as tinder. I never actually thought about other clothing so thanks for your post.
Post by: Dunkeld on October 05, 2017, 07:42:44 AM
Been in lots of situations where, if I'd just had my ferro rod on me, it would have been insufficient or more time-consuming.
That being said, I carry (and use) both.
Post by: Noa Isumi on October 05, 2017, 09:50:43 AM
I for one like the idea of the Firefly. Its is a cool concept that many will find usefull, but its not for me.
I have already incorporated 2 mini rods in my edc. The first is on my OH Trekker, notice the middle bead. The lanyard is long enough to reach the spine of the saw to use it without removal.
The second are those cheap fire starter buckles. I'm too cheep to replace my edc watches and a new band costs half as much as a new watch. So I have braided bands on both my Timex Expedition and Casio Forester (pic).
Those more than serve my needs in the event of a Bic or Zippo failure.
Post by: Mactire404 on October 06, 2017, 11:50:27 AM
I have already incorporated 2 mini rods in my edc. The first is on my OH Trekker, notice the middle bead. The lanyard is long enough to reach the spine of the saw to use it without removal.
That is a very nice lanyard! It's the first time I see a firestarter bead in a setup I like! I'm going to make one of those too.
Post by: Aloha on October 06, 2017, 05:03:00 PM
Incorporating Ferro rods as a backup to your lighter is not a bad Idea. Giving up another function however is a personal decision that should not be taken lightly.
I for one like the idea of the Firefly. Its is a cool concept that many will find usefull, but its not for me.
I have already incorporated 2 mini rods in my edc. The first is on my OH Trekker, notice the middle bead. The lanyard is long enough to reach the spine of the saw to use it without removal.
The second are those cheap fire starter buckles. I'm too cheep to replace my edc watches and a new band costs half as much as a new watch. So I have braided bands on both my Timex Expedition and Casio Forester (pic).
Those more than serve my needs in the event of a Bic or Zippo failure.
Efficient way to carry ferro rods :like:.
Post by: Syph007 on October 06, 2017, 08:33:27 PM
This idea on the surface seems ok, but...
1. This is too thin to not snap easily. Much thinner than the thinnest rod Ive used, and have had that snap. This would snap after a few uses.
2. The toothpick is retained in the scale not by friction but by a little riser catch on the toothpick body. As soon as that was used and no longer there how would the firesteel be retained? It would just fall out. (this is the reason I dont want to make Ti toothpics, too fiddly)
3. The video of it in use if very deceptive. That is not what a firesteel looks like in use, nor creating fire. Maybe he had lighter fluid on his tinder?
On a traditional SAK, Id just look to attached some type of firesteel to the keychain ring. There are longs of small ones with various options. Google keychain firesteel.
Post by: Mactire404 on October 06, 2017, 10:33:52 PM
1. This is too thin to not snap easily. Much thinner than the thinnest rod Ive used, and have had that snap. This would snap after a few uses.
2. The toothpick is retained in the scale not by friction but by a little riser catch on the toothpick body. As soon as that was used and no longer there how would the firesteel be retained? It would just fall out. (this is the reason I dont want to make Ti toothpics, too fiddly)
3. The video of it in use if very deceptive. That is not what a firesteel looks like in use, nor creating fire. Maybe he had lighter fluid on his tinder?
I think you are asking the right questions. I think to prevent it from breaking you have to scrape the firesteel on the side, not the top or bottom.
That way the depth of the material is thicker. Nor will the catch be worn down as quickly.
I do like the concept though, I'll be waiting for the reviews. If it's good I will order a set.
Post by: Tired_Yeti on October 08, 2017, 12:21:57 AM
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Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 08, 2017, 12:36:50 AM
I've used a very small steel. 2 inches long and very thin. As you know, with each use, some of the bar is lost as you scrape it. My concern is a SAK toothpick sized steel will get whittled away in no time.
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Yup. Wouldn't be so bad if you could use it from the end rather than the side, like the wheel on a lighter does. Nail file maybe? :think: Probably not, but I can't think of any other way to avoid thinning it out further
Post by: Borg on October 08, 2017, 09:11:27 AM
I am not knowledgeable about such things but isn't the advice to stay put and await rescue? of course there are a multitude of reasons why you sometimes cant do that and that's assuming someone is coming to rescue you but its got to be better than blindly wandering around the forest, also iirc the old timers used to carry their fire with them? be it a hot coal in a bucket or a smouldering mushroom, maybe an art we need to re learn.
I plan to get one when they are on general release depending on reviews but its not something i would use a lot, however i will go along with the old adage, its better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it :tu:
Post by: Syncop8r on October 08, 2017, 01:04:59 PM
I am not knowledgeable about such things but isn't the advice to stay put and await rescue?Generally however that requires that you have also followed another important rule - tell someone where you're going!
Post by: Tired_Yeti on October 14, 2017, 09:43:24 PM
I would agree it will wear down pretty fast and break or lose its grip in the slot, at the end of the day though if its for survival most of the time you would just need to light one fire anyway, certainly in my case where i'm never too far away from civilisation.It depends on how long you're lost. Lofty Wiseman recommends relocating after about one week (if I recall correctly) because, he says, your location will become soiled with your waste and depleted of food and maybe even water.
I am not knowledgeable about such things but isn't the advice to stay put and await rescue?
That said, once you start a fire, there are several techniques for transporting fire. Our ancestors used these methods and Les Stroud demonstrated one in one episode of Survivor Man (don't remember which episode, sorry). If I remember it (I'm not in a location where I can look it up right now), you can wrap embers in a wad of punk wood and moss and carry a warm, smoldering bed of coals. Stroud safely carried embers for several miles doing this without getting burned and was able to fan a fire at his new campsite.
If you have to travel at night--NOT ideal--you'd want to carry a torch anyway. Stroud demonstrated that also. Once at his new site, he simply set up his fire pit and started it with the torch.
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Post by: ironraven on October 14, 2017, 11:32:38 PM
It depends on how long you're lost. Lofty Wiseman recommends relocating after about one week (if I recall correctly) because, he says, your location will become soiled with your waste and depleted of food and maybe even water.
Like all absolute generalities, it's a very vague rule of thumb. But I will say that if SAR hasn't found you in a week and all you have a tin kit and a SAK, well...
Post by: Tired_Yeti on October 15, 2017, 01:21:13 AM
...if SAR hasn't found you in a week and all you have a tin kit and a SAK, well...You'd better have a strong will to survive and epic survival and bushcraft skills. And you'd better keep reminding yourself that your ancestors somehow managed it with primitive tools. Our chances would be poor, but we cannot give up.
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Post by: El Corkscrew on October 15, 2017, 02:14:11 AM
Post by: ironraven on October 15, 2017, 02:04:37 PM
You'd better have a strong will to survive and epic survival and bushcraft skills. And you'd better keep reminding yourself that your ancestors somehow managed it with primitive tools. Our chances would be poor, but we cannot give up.
Yes, please note the emphasis. I'm competent, not "epic". You'd have to have lived that life style from birth, or at least spent years in intensive and immersive study. I'd also ask you to keep in mind that the archeological evidence shows that they died of old age by the time they were 40. Assuming they weren't part of the majority that died due to illness, infection, or starvation before puberty.
I'd also point out that if you are somewhere where SAR can't find you within a week, you really screwed up something or pissed off the gods if you only have an SAK and a tin kit. :P If you can follow a rough compass bearing for three days, you'd be hard pressed south of the 60th parallel to NOT find a road.
More realistically, if you have a SAK, preferably a 111 becuase every bit counts, and one of these in your PFD or on a neck lanyard, if you lose the canoe or your pack, this gets you to dawn. Stack the deck, hope you never need it.
Post by: Zed on October 15, 2017, 03:02:13 PM
You'd better have a strong will to survive and epic survival and bushcraft skills. And you'd better keep reminding yourself that your ancestors somehow managed it with primitive tools. Our chances would be poor, but we cannot give up.
Yes, please note the emphasis. I'm competent, not "epic". You'd have to have lived that life style from birth, or at least spent years in intensive and immersive study. I'd also ask you to keep in mind that the archeological evidence shows that they died of old age by the time they were 40. Assuming they weren't part of the majority that died due to illness, infection, or starvation before puberty.
I'd also point out that if you are somewhere where SAR can't find you within a week, you really screwed up something or pissed off the gods if you only have an SAK and a tin kit. :P If you can follow a rough compass bearing for three days, you'd be hard pressed south of the 60th parallel to NOT find a road.
More realistically, if you have a SAK, preferably a 111 becuase every bit counts, and one of these in your PFD or on a neck lanyard, if you lose the canoe or your pack, this gets you to dawn. Stack the deck, hope you never need it.
This kind of was my point originally, for me that Ferro rod would be a last resort ,if i was going somewhere this extreme I would have a good kit, but if I had a sak in my pocket and some how lost my entire kit I would rather have that Ferro rod over a toothpick that I could make out of a bit of wood ;)
Post by: Mechanickal on October 15, 2017, 03:52:01 PM
It's a SAK platform where a pipe has been built in.
(http://s1.insidehook.com/HighKnife_Inlin_1489419236.jpg)
I thought "replace that pipe part with a switchable firesteel and that thing would be AWESOME!"
Post by: Tired_Yeti on October 16, 2017, 01:31:34 AM
I'd also point out that if you are somewhere where SAR can't find you within a week, you really screwed up something or pissed off the gods if you only have an SAK and a tin kit.You've made a couple of references to having nothing but a SAK and a tin kit. Why would anyone knowingly venture far out with only a tin kit? Even Lofty Wiseman doesn't suggest that. I think that unless you fell off of a cloud into the middle of nowhere and survived, you'd probably be within just a few miles at the most from a road or manmade structure if you're traveling with only a SAK and a tin. The people who would do that wouldn't have the knowledge to survive anyway. Sounds like a very unlikely scenario to me.If you can follow a rough compass bearing for three days, you'd be hard pressed south of the 60th parallel to NOT find a road.
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Post by: Syncop8r on October 16, 2017, 02:15:17 AM
I think you're both saying that it would be silly (or you really stuffed up somewhere) if you had only those items with you out in the wilderness. :think:I'd also point out that if you are somewhere where SAR can't find you within a week, you really screwed up something or pissed off the gods if you only have an SAK and a tin kit.You've made a couple of references to having nothing but a SAK and a tin kit. Why would anyone knowingly venture far out with only a tin kit? Even Lofty Wiseman doesn't suggest that. I think that unless you fell off of a cloud into the middle of nowhere and survived, you'd probably be within just a few miles at the most from a road or manmade structure if you're traveling with only a SAK and a tin. The people who would do that wouldn't have the knowledge to survive anyway. Sounds like a very unlikely scenario to me.
You do get the odd person going to extremes to 'test' themselves.
Post by: Syncop8r on October 16, 2017, 02:17:22 AM
I came across this pic online.I suspect that is your SAK. What are you smoking in it? :pok:
It's a SAK platform where a pipe has been built in.
(http://s1.insidehook.com/HighKnife_Inlin_1489419236.jpg)
I thought "replace that pipe part with a switchable firesteel and that thing would be AWESOME!"
Post by: Mechanickal on October 16, 2017, 06:47:59 AM
Non smoker ;)I came across this pic online.I suspect that is your SAK. What are you smoking in it? :pok:
It's a SAK platform where a pipe has been built in.
(http://s1.insidehook.com/HighKnife_Inlin_1489419236.jpg)
I thought "replace that pipe part with a switchable firesteel and that thing would be AWESOME!"
Post by: magentus on October 16, 2017, 12:49:58 PM
You bake it into brownies then Nick? :DNon smoker ;)I came across this pic online.I suspect that is your SAK. What are you smoking in it? :pok:
It's a SAK platform where a pipe has been built in.
(http://s1.insidehook.com/HighKnife_Inlin_1489419236.jpg)
I thought "replace that pipe part with a switchable firesteel and that thing would be AWESOME!"
Post by: Mechanickal on October 16, 2017, 12:57:46 PM
I'm so puzzeled right now... :shrug:You bake it into brownies then Nick? :DNon smoker ;)I came across this pic online.I suspect that is your SAK. What are you smoking in it? :pok:
It's a SAK platform where a pipe has been built in.
(http://s1.insidehook.com/HighKnife_Inlin_1489419236.jpg)
I thought "replace that pipe part with a switchable firesteel and that thing would be AWESOME!"
Post by: magentus on October 16, 2017, 01:01:56 PM
Post by: Mechanickal on October 16, 2017, 02:37:07 PM
The SAK you pictured with the pipe is for smoking illegal substances (I imagine :D ). Sync was wondering if it was your DSAK (drug SAK). When you said you are a non-smoker, I wondered if you bake your illegal substances into brownies. Sorry for the confusion. OR you may just be confused because you are currently as high as a kite. :DMan you guys go far fetched...
You sure you kept off the pipe?
Post by: pomsbz on October 16, 2017, 03:43:01 PM
I think you're both saying that it would be silly (or you really stuffed up somewhere) if you had only those items with you out in the wilderness. :think:I'd also point out that if you are somewhere where SAR can't find you within a week, you really screwed up something or pissed off the gods if you only have an SAK and a tin kit.You've made a couple of references to having nothing but a SAK and a tin kit. Why would anyone knowingly venture far out with only a tin kit? Even Lofty Wiseman doesn't suggest that. I think that unless you fell off of a cloud into the middle of nowhere and survived, you'd probably be within just a few miles at the most from a road or manmade structure if you're traveling with only a SAK and a tin. The people who would do that wouldn't have the knowledge to survive anyway. Sounds like a very unlikely scenario to me.
You do get the odd person going to extremes to 'test' themselves.
It's quite possible I suppose for the unprepared whose car dies out on them with a dead battery far from civilisation just as their phone battery dies. No way to charge phone, nothing in the car but a couple of cans of coke and some sandwiches and they're a non smoker so no lighter. Most do not carry a pocket knife or know how to use one.
That said the above person is probably a teenager who went for a long drive with friends and anyone as unprepared as not to have any gear in the car is very unlikely to have any kind of survival skill set either.
Post by: gene stoner on October 16, 2017, 04:37:28 PM
The one about the family stranded in the Oregon cascades in their car for days w\o any winter clothes was a little sad but very educational.
http://weathergroup.com/shows/sos-how-survive
Post by: Aloha on October 16, 2017, 04:43:57 PM
Last night we watched all the episodes of Creek Stewart's new show SOS how to survive. If you haven't seen it yet it's about real survival stories and what could they have done different. In most of the situations a small ferro rod and the skill to use it would have made a huge difference. It definitely reinforced my belief not to leave the house w/o Cordage, fire and a SAK. If you're into that kind of show check it out. I personally learned alot watching them.
The one about the family stranded in the Oregon cascades in their car for days w\o any winter clothes was a little sad but very educational.
http://weathergroup.com/shows/sos-how-survive
I saw that episode too. Really sad ending. I learned several things from that episode as well.
Post by: Mactire404 on October 16, 2017, 04:57:06 PM
...In most of the situations a small ferro rod and the skill to use it[/u] would have made a huge difference...
This. Know how to use it. Instead of grabbing a lighter the next time you need to light your BBQ or fire pit why not grab a firesteel? Know how to find tinder and make a fire with that.
Practice by playing :D
Post by: gene stoner on October 16, 2017, 05:25:47 PM
...In most of the situations a small ferro rod and the skill to use it[/u] would have made a huge difference...
This. Know how to use it. Instead of grabbing a lighter the next time you need to light your BBQ or fire pit why not grab a firesteel? Know how to find tinder and make a fire with that.
Practice by playing :D
Agreed! Before I quit smoking I would practice lighting tinder with a ferro rod to light my smoke. Having a nicotine fit while trying to light a fire was a good way to simulate stress.
Post by: Don Pablo on October 16, 2017, 05:44:14 PM
:rofl:...In most of the situations a small ferro rod and the skill to use it[/u] would have made a huge difference...
This. Know how to use it. Instead of grabbing a lighter the next time you need to light your BBQ or fire pit why not grab a firesteel? Know how to find tinder and make a fire with that.
Practice by playing :D
Agreed! Before I quit smoking I would practice lighting tinder with a ferro rod to light my smoke. Having a nicotine fit while trying to light a fire was a good way to simulate stress.
Really good motivatior. "Can't reliably make fire with only a ferro rod? No smoke for you!"
Post by: Zed on October 16, 2017, 05:45:05 PM
...In most of the situations a small ferro rod and the skill to use it[/u] would have made a huge difference...
This. Know how to use it. Instead of grabbing a lighter the next time you need to light your BBQ or fire pit why not grab a firesteel? Know how to find tinder and make a fire with that.
Practice by playing :D
My kids love lighting a fire camping with a Ferro rod :D it's more fun than using a lighter ;)
Post by: Aloha on October 16, 2017, 06:03:44 PM
https://youtu.be/sA2NfR_RQBI
Post by: Zed on October 16, 2017, 06:14:43 PM
It really is a fun way to light fires. I carry flares in my vehicle and I bet they'd be better than a lighter any day. Actually see for yourself.
https://youtu.be/sA2NfR_RQBI
They love the ones you sent mate :salute: they have them on there lanyards with there champions :salute:
Post by: Aloha on October 16, 2017, 06:25:30 PM
Post by: Zed on October 16, 2017, 06:26:57 PM
Glad they are enjoying them :D. With the fat wood they have all they'll need to get fire going.
There saving there fatwood for our next camp trip ;)
Post by: Aloha on October 16, 2017, 06:38:26 PM
Glad they are enjoying them :D. With the fat wood they have all they'll need to get fire going.
There saving there fatwood for our next camp trip ;)
:tu: Fat wood is good stuff. Lots of pine trees here so we like to hunt for it. I also take the hardened sap from the pines as well. We've made some cool tikis melting it onto the pinecones. Heres a neat video.
https://youtu.be/Gq7pyVxLP1s
Post by: Zed on October 16, 2017, 06:40:35 PM
Glad they are enjoying them :D. With the fat wood they have all they'll need to get fire going.
There saving there fatwood for our next camp trip ;)
:tu: Fat wood is good stuff. Lots of pine trees here so we like to hunt for it. I also take the hardened sap from the pines as well. We've made some cool tikis melting it onto the pinecones. Heres a neat video.
https://youtu.be/Gq7pyVxLP1s
I like fatwood hunting, it's legal in the uk ,I think :facepalm: :rofl:
Post by: Aloha on October 16, 2017, 06:42:23 PM
Post by: Zed on October 16, 2017, 06:47:12 PM
:rofl:
As long as I chop it down with a axe with a 3inch blade that doesn't lock ;) :rofl:
Post by: Aloha on October 16, 2017, 06:50:31 PM
:rofl:
As long as I chop it down with a axe with a 3inch blade that doesn't lock ;) :rofl:
Thats about what I do. I use a small hatchet and saw. We had some devastating fires and there were a lot of trees cut down. When we go hiking in the mountains we scavenge as much as we can find.
Post by: Zed on October 16, 2017, 07:14:41 PM
:rofl:
As long as I chop it down with a axe with a 3inch blade that doesn't lock ;) :rofl:
Thats about what I do. I use a small hatchet and saw. We had some devastating fires and there were a lot of trees cut down. When we go hiking in the mountains we scavenge as much as we can find.
The camp site we go to has a fire pit and the girls love scavenging wood,I send them off while I do the hard stuff ;)
Post by: pomsbz on October 16, 2017, 08:11:08 PM
In most of the situations a small ferro rod and the skill to use it would have made a huge difference.
But not as much as a mini bic or two? I still think that tiny ferro rod is just asking for trouble and a lighter is better than a ferro rod most of the time.
Post by: Ron Who on October 16, 2017, 08:15:55 PM
In most of the situations a small ferro rod and the skill to use it would have made a huge difference.
But not as much as a mini bic or two? I still think that small ferro rod is just asking for trouble and a lighter is better than a ferro rod most of the time.
I´m carrrying a ferro rod AND a mag bar AND two mini Bics. And I know numerous spots where to find KKokolis´ Greek mushroom tinder, fat wood, or birch bark.
Post by: Aloha on October 16, 2017, 08:18:17 PM
In most of the situations a small ferro rod and the skill to use it would have made a huge difference.
But not as much as a mini bic or two? I still think that small ferro rod is just asking for trouble and a lighter is better than a ferro rod most of the time.
A lighter is a great primary fire source which I would personally would rather have than a ferro rod. That being said I think whats being overlooked possibly is "another option". Sure we can carry several lighters. 3 mini Bics would be really easy to carry but I dont see those as "other options". I see this little ferro rod as a possible option for some. We sell need to see someone test it rather than the maker/seller. I'm pretty proficient with a ferro rod but I'm also using a 6 inch by 1/2 inch one :rofl:.
Post by: WoodsDuck on October 16, 2017, 11:22:50 PM
Post by: raistlin65 on October 16, 2017, 11:56:11 PM
In most of the situations a small ferro rod and the skill to use it would have made a huge difference.
But not as much as a mini bic or two? I still think that tiny ferro rod is just asking for trouble and a lighter is better than a ferro rod most of the time.
If you check the BICs frequently. Over time, BICs can leak on their own and run out of fuel. The ferro rod will work as expected when needed. Seems best to have both, IMO.
Post by: raistlin65 on October 16, 2017, 11:57:15 PM
I'm pretty proficient with a ferro rod but I'm also using a 6 inch by 1/2 inch one :rofl:.
We need a picture!!! :D
Post by: gene stoner on October 17, 2017, 03:59:47 AM
In most of the situations a small ferro rod and the skill to use it would have made a huge difference.
But not as much as a mini bic or two? I still think that tiny ferro rod is just asking for trouble and a lighter is better than a ferro rod most of the time.
You are 100% right. I carry a ligher how ever it's not uncommon for me to loan it out and not get it back but not notice till the next day. With my luck one of those days well be the day I really need a fire. That's why I have ferro rod toggles on my SAK lanyard.
Post by: Zed on October 17, 2017, 11:07:50 AM
Post by: Tired_Yeti on October 18, 2017, 03:28:18 AM
Hey, guys, look at this. Speaking of going to Mars with nothing but a SAK and a tin, how about going out with NOTHING...I think you're both saying that it would be silly (or you really stuffed up somewhere) if you had only those items with you out in the wilderness. :think:I'd also point out that if you are somewhere where SAR can't find you within a week, you really screwed up something or pissed off the gods if you only have an SAK and a tin kit.You've made a couple of references to having nothing but a SAK and a tin kit. Why would anyone knowingly venture far out with only a tin kit? Even Lofty Wiseman doesn't suggest that. I think that unless you fell off of a cloud into the middle of nowhere and survived, you'd probably be within just a few miles at the most from a road or manmade structure if you're traveling with only a SAK and a tin. The people who would do that wouldn't have the knowledge to survive anyway. Sounds like a very unlikely scenario to me.
You do get the odd person going to extremes to 'test' themselves.
http://m.chron.com/news/texas/article/Texas-couple-survives-being-stranded-6-days-in-12276084.php
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Post by: Tired_Yeti on October 18, 2017, 04:40:02 AM
Why?In most of the situations a small ferro rod and the skill to use it would have made a huge difference.
But not as much as a mini bic or two? I still think that tiny ferro rod is just asking for trouble and a lighter is better than a ferro rod most of the time.
Why do you think a ferro rod is asking for trouble?
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Post by: pomsbz on October 18, 2017, 06:54:52 AM
Why?In most of the situations a small ferro rod and the skill to use it would have made a huge difference.
But not as much as a mini bic or two? I still think that tiny ferro rod is just asking for trouble and a lighter is better than a ferro rod most of the time.
Why do you think a ferro rod is asking for trouble?
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I said 'that tiny ferro rod'. Not 'a ferro rod'. Relying on this little thing is asking for trouble. All you need is for it to snap and you have no solution. I'm a big believer in the philosophy of backups and a backup solution that you would prefer not to have to fall back on is no solution. It's Murphy laughing at you. Learnt that the hard way through life.
Post by: Outback in Idaho on October 18, 2017, 12:21:09 PM
Have an Exotac nanoStriker and the ferrocerium rod has broken nearly every time on the threaded section. It's 5mm thick and about 1.5" long. Last camp outing ended up breaking out the magnesium block and using its ferrocerium steel to get some sparks a flyin' and getting me back to warm status.
That magnesium block's fire steel came unglued and had to empty the glove compartment hunting for the thing. :ahhh
Post by: Aloha on October 18, 2017, 03:57:34 PM
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on October 18, 2017, 05:48:46 PM
What I'm thinking about to mitigate against the breakage risk is to use a small plank or stick to hold it against with my other thumb while scraping it with the steel.
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Post by: Tired_Yeti on October 18, 2017, 08:45:31 PM
Oh OK. I got you. I didn't read that carefully enough, I guess.Why?In most of the situations a small ferro rod and the skill to use it would have made a huge difference.
But not as much as a mini bic or two? I still think that tiny ferro rod is just asking for trouble and a lighter is better than a ferro rod most of the time.
Why do you think a ferro rod is asking for trouble?
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I said 'that tiny ferro rod'. Not 'a ferro rod'. Relying on this little thing is asking for trouble. All you need is for it to snap and you have no solution.
I agree. The size of the ferro rod scares me. It may work, but it may not. If you are scared and desperate, your adrenaline might be flowing and you'll be more heavy-handed than usual. If you're feeling chilled, your fine motor skills will be diminished and you may be clumsy and heavy-handed. There are plenty of real world scenarios where you could accidentally break this thin rod. If that happens, you'd better be ready and able to make a bow-drill system. Good luck with that.
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Post by: Tired_Yeti on October 18, 2017, 08:51:55 PM
What I'm thinking about to mitigate against the breakage risk is to use a small plank or stick to hold it against with my other thumb while scraping it with the steel.I think this should probably be the general philosophy of use for this tool. Prepare your fire pit and your kindling, take a piece of kindling and lay the steel against that and use it similar to the way those magnesium bars with the embedded rods are. As long as the piece you're using isn't some soft, rotten, punk that breaks it should be OK.
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I think you have a good idea there.
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Post by: Mactire404 on October 18, 2017, 11:22:40 PM
Hey, guys, look at this. Speaking of going to Mars with nothing but a SAK and a tin, how about going out with NOTHING...
http://m.chron.com/news/texas/article/Texas-couple-survives-being-stranded-6-days-in-12276084.php
Amazing story. They are lucky to survive. Though I think the guy'd be glad to be dead...
Quote
"I told Gerry, 'Sweetheart, this doesn't sound right.' And he said, 'No it's OK' ... He wanted to continue. See, us women know better,"He's never going to hear the end of this. Imagine the couple in a car a few years later :D :
guy: We'll go left here, were nearly there.
woman: No, Gerry, it's right. This doesn't sound right...
guy: No, it's OK.
woman: Do you remember when we nearly died Gerry?
guy: *sigh*
Post by: Aloha on October 19, 2017, 12:02:20 AM
I've signed up but no definite news on release yet, not on the latest update mail from yesterday at any rate. I believe they were initially saying January 2018.
What I'm thinking about to mitigate against the breakage risk is to use a small plank or stick to hold it against with my other thumb while scraping it with the steel.
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Exactly. This is how I envisioned a way to use it so as not to break it.
Post by: TonySal on October 22, 2017, 02:32:25 AM
Post by: MusicMen on October 22, 2017, 04:29:45 AM
So... Im in too, dont really use a toothpick or really need to start a fire, but if I'm carrying a Tool, I think it should have a fire rod, we'll see, a clutz like me can test it in the kitchen sink, level of wife's yell will determine success. LOL:rofl:
Post by: TonySal on October 23, 2017, 03:02:40 AM
Post by: wonderwolf on October 24, 2017, 02:52:24 AM
The zipper toggles work for now and with the cord that is used to keep them on the SAK its quick to mount them to a stick when your fingers are freezing so you don't have to worry about your fine motor skills when trying to light a fire.
I may get a pack of these to try, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have them on micro survival kits with the SAKS that are in there.
Post by: Tired_Yeti on October 24, 2017, 01:50:04 PM
As far as the toggles I got, they work well! I stood up and stroked the steel with the back of a carbon steel blade and it threw a shower of white hot sparks that landed on the concrete and burned for about one and a half seconds before going out. That's plenty of time to ignite good, dry tinder.
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Post by: TonySal on October 25, 2017, 12:59:18 AM
Post by: SAKAddict on October 29, 2017, 11:25:38 PM
Was looking over that kickstarter page. Wtf is up with this gif?
(https://i.imgur.com/PK5M0r0.gif)
Anyone who has ever used a ferro rod will tell you it doesn't ignite material anywhere close to that quickly.
Gratuitous use of accelerants? Fast-forwarded video editing? Filmed with a bluescreen background in the moon-landing studio? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Either way, the video does show "normal" sparking and ignition of the tinder in similar setups.
It's got gas sprinkled on it. No other way the fire would have spread so fast. Dishonest, though in keeping with regular advertisement honesty or lack thereof. :(
EDIT: they've used the same trick on all the tinder types they show. Bad taste in the mouth. Or they have invented the worlds best firesteel.
Hi guys! This is Eric, creator of the Firefly. Thank you to those here who have supported my project so far! I was told that some people were having trouble believing that the Firefly is really as good as the video shows. I've seen several comments like the ones above and I just wanted to chime in and help clear things up for you.
First of all I want to say that I'm flattered that you think I'm using accelerants because it is real un-doctored video footage of the Firefly in action. I promise you that I did NOT use any accelerant on any of the tinders. So I will agree with you that we have "invented the worlds best firesteel". :D I certainly think so, we spent a lot of time and money tailoring the mix just right, and since it will be with me all the time it is a firesteel I will actually use! :climber:
Second, I do want to clarify that I did cut to where the spark ignited the tinder in some parts of the videos, not in an attempt to deceive, but to make the video shorter and more exciting. Though I never had to attempt more than 10 times to get the fire lit on any of the tinders used, most were actually lit the first or second time. We are an honest company that makes really cool outdoor gear, we have already completed one successful Kickstarter campaign that was much more complex than this one and all rewards were delivered to our customers, many of which are repeat backers. We have a curated website where you can actually purchase our previous Kickstarter projects product, check it out: LINK REMOVED
Third, I also want to clarify that I live in California which tends to be drier than other parts of the world and that makes natural tinders easier to light. Also, in the GIF it appears to ignite very fast. This is due to the fact that GIFs are compiled of very few frames and many frames had to be cut out to get the GIF down to a smaller reasonable size for the web. This was not an attempt to deceive either. That particular strike did actually flame up very fast because I had a lot of fine dry grass tinders on top.
Fourth, I have made some real time videos of the Firefly in action for you to see for yourself, I'm hoping these links are allowed on here, if not please let me know.
Realtime Firefly sparking demonstration: LINK REMOVED
Drop test and sparking vs typical firesteel: LINK REMOVED
Please help share the Firefly with others if you can, we have more stretch goals we want to meet for some cool additions (to be announced soon).
Thanks again guys, if you have any further questions about it please let me know! For the quickest reply you can message me on my Kickstarter campaign page: LINK REMOVED
Post by: zoidberg on October 30, 2017, 01:03:53 AM
Sorry to have to pull your links, but they are in violation of our forum policies on advertising.
As this is a privately owned and members funded forum we can't allow you to advertise for free here.
We have members paying for the privilege to advertise and allowing you to do so for free wouldn't be fair to them.
If you're wanting to fund your project, check out our Crowd Funding subscription.
If you have any more questions or would like arrange options for advertising, please contact Grant Lamontagne, the site owner via email.
Nice to have you with us, but don't advertise anymore until you've made arrangements to do so with the forum owner.
Post by: SAKAddict on October 30, 2017, 05:38:15 AM
Hi Eric.
Sorry to have to pull your links, but they are in violation of our forum policies on advertising.
As this is a privately owned and members funded forum we can't allow you to advertise for free here.
We have members paying for the privilege to advertise and allowing you to do so for free wouldn't be fair to them.
If you're wanting to fund your project, check out our Crowd Funding subscription.
If you have any more questions or would like arrange options for advertising, please contact Grant Lamontagne, the site owner via email.
Nice to have you with us, but don't advertise anymore until you've made arrangements to do so with the forum owner.
:oops: Sorry guys, didn't mean to break the rules. Just trying to provide some helpful answers to questions and concerns people had, not trying to advertise as word about it was already on here. Thanks for letting me know, it won't happen again.
Post by: pomsbz on October 30, 2017, 09:22:11 AM
Just my uneducated opinion of course. I have no idea what the norms within the industry are, etc. If the others feel that I am incorrect then I'll shut up. :)
Post by: hiraethus on October 30, 2017, 10:33:44 AM
Post by: TonySal on December 10, 2017, 10:54:39 PM
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on December 11, 2017, 09:52:18 AM
Post by: Butch on December 11, 2017, 04:43:48 PM
Gentlemen. I feel this calls for a combined Zed/Tired_Yeti 'Weekend up a mountain with only your SAK' camping challenge. Do you both accept? There's a special badge in it for the winner (whether or not it is issued posthumously). :cheers:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: TonySal on December 29, 2017, 03:11:20 AM
Post by: TonySal on December 29, 2017, 03:32:57 AM
Post by: shibafu on December 29, 2017, 04:45:32 PM
Post by: TonySal on January 07, 2018, 06:45:39 AM
...dont use the toithpick much, woun't need to start fires much either! :ahhh
Post by: TonySal on January 14, 2018, 12:56:22 AM
:waiting....waiting. ...
Post by: VoetSak on January 14, 2018, 10:55:02 PM
The debate of Bic vs. ferro rod makes me wonder, does anyone know how the size of this firefly rod compares to the ferro rod that's actually in a Bic lighter?
Erm......there is no ferro rod in a bic lighter...
Post by: ironraven on January 15, 2018, 02:10:22 AM
Erm......there is no ferro rod in a bic lighter...
What do you think the sparker uses?
Bics and most welding torch lighters use very small and hard ferro rods.
Post by: TonySal on January 15, 2018, 03:22:29 AM
I gave heard of keeping empty Bics, top part?The debate of Bic vs. ferro rod makes me wonder, does anyone know how the size of this firefly rod compares to the ferro rod that's actually in a Bic lighter?
Erm......there is no ferro rod in a bic lighter...
to use as a spark for tinder. ...
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 15, 2018, 04:17:52 AM
The debate of Bic vs. ferro rod makes me wonder, does anyone know how the size of this firefly rod compares to the ferro rod that's actually in a Bic lighter?
Erm......there is no ferro rod in a bic lighter...
As others have pointed out, yes, there is a little ferro rod in the bic striker mechanism.
Check out this thread... 'Lynn tests the 'Micro Fire Starting Kit' lighter hack".
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,74717.0.html
And to answer the original question, the rod in a brand new lighter is, I'd guess, about a quarter inch (6mm).
The Firefly is MUCH bigger. But the lighter is essentially perfectly optimized for efficient spark throwing. It will give you like 12,000 strikes. HOWEVER, those are pretty tiny spark showers, and require REALLY good tinder to catch. I think the Firefly would do much better for catching things other than cotton balls and tinderquiks.
EDIT: in the video linked in the thread I mentioned above, the notes in the video say a brand new rod in a lighter is 7.5mm long. I don't l know if that's 100% accurate, but it doesn't sound far off.
Post by: MaverickMCS on January 15, 2018, 06:13:42 AM
I think it's a nice item to have. If I need to make fire and I have to choose between the Firefly and nothing, I would stick with the Firefly. Like others pointed, a toothpick can easily be crafted in seconds, whilist fire can be a pain in the @$$ w/o propper tools. Even if you get very few strikes before it breaks, I think that it's still more useful than the toothpick.
But if you still need the toothpick and want the Firefly and the tweezers, how about some plus scales? :D
Post by: Mactire404 on January 17, 2018, 04:32:33 PM
The Victorinox Traveller has a back scale with three slots: toothpick, tweezer and pen.
(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rw6G4c8KNsg/T5sTmGVpR-I/AAAAAAAATRU/_ExzeF5x5Q0/s800/Red%2520Voyager-02.JPG)
Traveller rear scale
On some modern translucent scales rear scales the third-slot is visible. Some cellidor scales also have the third slot, but those are not visible when assembled.
So, if you have a set of those scales you can file out the opening for the third slot and you have yourself a pair of scales with room for an extra tool.
If you replace the normal tweezers with the Firefly you can put a new (smaller) tweezer in the new third back slot.
I'll see if I have a pair of scales with the 3rd slot when I'm back home and make a photo.
The small tweezers are available for the Traveller models.
(http://www.sakwiki.com/show_image.php?id=3020)
Victorinox Traveller with all scale tools
Post by: TonySal on January 18, 2018, 12:55:12 AM
Perhaps there is an alternative.Great Mac Thanks :salute:
The Victorinox Traveller has a back scale with three slots: toothpick, tweezer and pen.
(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rw6G4c8KNsg/T5sTmGVpR-I/AAAAAAAATRU/_ExzeF5x5Q0/s800/Red%2520Voyager-02.JPG)
Traveller rear scale
On some modern translucent scales rear scales the third-slot is visible. Some cellidor scales also have the third slot, but those are not visible when assembled.
So, if you have a set of those scales you can file out the opening for the third slot and you have yourself a pair of scales with room for an extra tool.
If you replace the normal tweezers with the Firefly you can put a new (smaller) tweezer in the new third back slot.
I'll see if I have a pair of scales with the 3rd slot when I'm back home and make a photo.
The small tweezers are available for the Traveller models.
(http://www.sakwiki.com/show_image.php?id=3020)
Victorinox Traveller with all scale tools
Post by: TonySal on January 27, 2018, 05:43:28 PM
Thanks again Mac, I could buy plus scales too, that's if the FF ever arrives......Perhaps there is an alternative.Great Mac Thanks :salute:
The Victorinox Traveller has a back scale with three slots: toothpick, tweezer and pen.
(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rw6G4c8KNsg/T5sTmGVpR-I/AAAAAAAATRU/_ExzeF5x5Q0/s800/Red%2520Voyager-02.JPG)
Traveller rear scale
On some modern translucent scales rear scales the third-slot is visible. Some cellidor scales also have the third slot, but those are not visible when assembled.
So, if you have a set of those scales you can file out the opening for the third slot and you have yourself a pair of scales with room for an extra tool.
If you replace the normal tweezers with the Firefly you can put a new (smaller) tweezer in the new third back slot.
I'll see if I have a pair of scales with the 3rd slot when I'm back home and make a photo.
The small tweezers are available for the Traveller models.
(http://www.sakwiki.com/show_image.php?id=3020)
Victorinox Traveller with all scale tools
Post by: Nix on January 27, 2018, 05:45:59 PM
Post by: WoodsDuck on January 27, 2018, 05:59:41 PM
Post by: Nix on January 27, 2018, 06:00:53 PM
Post by: cbl51 on January 27, 2018, 08:10:46 PM
Post by: TonySal on January 31, 2018, 03:46:51 AM
Post by: TonySal on February 04, 2018, 03:08:08 AM
Post by: WoodsDuck on February 04, 2018, 05:02:38 AM
Yawnnn... :whistle: any real info...
It's full of pictures and thus a bit awkward to copy/paste here, so have a link;
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/740457940/firefly-the-ultimate-swiss-army-knife-accessory/posts/2095730
Post by: TonySal on February 04, 2018, 02:29:30 PM
Thanks WD :cheers:Yawnnn... :whistle: any real info...
It's full of pictures and thus a bit awkward to copy/paste here, so have a link;
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/740457940/firefly-the-ultimate-swiss-army-knife-accessory/posts/2095730
Post by: cbl51 on February 04, 2018, 03:01:59 PM
Post by: VoetSak on February 04, 2018, 03:12:50 PM
Post by: pomsbz on February 04, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
Do I detect the faint aroma of a scam?
Nah there's usually two lots of excuses on a kickstarter before it becomes obviously a scam.
Post by: WoodsDuck on February 04, 2018, 03:51:39 PM
Post by: TonySal on February 06, 2018, 03:24:06 AM
I'm fairly confident they'll deliver, eventually. Though I'm not entirely convinced of the usefulness/quality of the product. As a backer, I hope it doesn't suck. As a skeptic, I'm not going to bank on it.I agree Wduck, had a good Idea with trouble mass producing.... We'll see.
Post by: WoodsDuck on February 21, 2018, 02:16:38 AM
Post by: TonySal on February 24, 2018, 07:36:33 AM
Post by: TonySal on March 13, 2018, 03:17:57 AM
Post by: pfrsantos on March 13, 2018, 12:45:10 PM
:shrug: It's an advert. ALWAYS take whatever the manufacturer claims with a pinch of salt.
Yup, that's what I do. Take whatever the manufacturer claims with a pinch of salt. I discover most of them lie! This one in particular:
(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/65c484a0-8e28-4280-bd15-0501e5f8fc3d_1.1fbf5c3aa001b2490606fcdb253adfe9.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF)
:whistle:
Post by: Kev D on March 13, 2018, 12:49:26 PM
:shrug: It's an advert. ALWAYS take whatever the manufacturer claims with a pinch of salt.
Yup, that's what I do. Take whatever the manufacturer claims with a pinch of salt. I discover most of them lie! This one in particular:
(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/65c484a0-8e28-4280-bd15-0501e5f8fc3d_1.1fbf5c3aa001b2490606fcdb253adfe9.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF)
:whistle:
Which bit is the lie? the no salt, no sugar or the crunchy? It looks like a smooth one to me
Post by: pfrsantos on March 13, 2018, 01:00:15 PM
:shrug: It's an advert. ALWAYS take whatever the manufacturer claims with a pinch of salt.
Yup, that's what I do. Take whatever the manufacturer claims with a pinch of salt. I discover most of them lie! This one in particular:
(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/65c484a0-8e28-4280-bd15-0501e5f8fc3d_1.1fbf5c3aa001b2490606fcdb253adfe9.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF)
:whistle:
Which bit is the lie? the no salt, no sugar or the crunchy? It looks like a smooth one to me
I took what they said with a pinch of salt and it didn't taste salt-free...
:whistle:
:pok: :pok:
Post by: ThePeacent on March 13, 2018, 01:25:08 PM
Post by: pfrsantos on March 13, 2018, 04:37:38 PM
Why is it Crunchy Valencia PB...? :think: Valencia is one if the 5 major Spanish cities and they make no peanut butter there ???
That's what they want you to think...
:pok: :pok:
Post by: TonySal on March 14, 2018, 01:08:42 AM
I'm cutting back on salt, I'll take it with a pinch of vodka..... :drink::shrug: It's an advert. ALWAYS take whatever the manufacturer claims with a pinch of salt.
Yup, that's what I do. Take whatever the manufacturer claims with a pinch of salt. I discover most of them lie! This one in particular:
(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/65c484a0-8e28-4280-bd15-0501e5f8fc3d_1.1fbf5c3aa001b2490606fcdb253adfe9.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF)
:whistle:
Which bit is the lie? the no salt, no sugar or the crunchy? It looks like a smooth one to me
I took what they said with a pinch of salt and it didn't taste salt-free...
:whistle:
:pok: :pok:
Post by: TonySal on March 14, 2018, 01:13:36 AM
Post by: WoodsDuck on March 14, 2018, 06:04:05 AM
Post by: ThePeacent on March 14, 2018, 12:48:25 PM
Post by: pfrsantos on March 14, 2018, 01:16:02 PM
maybe they shared fate with the Firefly TV show... :whistle:
Or they just went up in flames...
:whistle:
Post by: zoidberg on March 14, 2018, 01:26:43 PM
Post by: TonySal on March 26, 2018, 04:59:13 AM
Post by: Syph007 on March 26, 2018, 05:02:09 AM
Post by: WoodsDuck on March 26, 2018, 05:42:15 AM
Quote
After some color powder shipping delays, many test shoots, and waiting our turn in queue for manufacturing we have finally been able to get all the details correct and the first Firefly batch is now in production.
The final test run formula of the ivory color turned out very nice. Here is a picture of samples of the two final colors as they will be produced. We've set Fireflies at different angles in the picture so you can see how they are firmly attached to the custom flint steel by injection molding.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/020/631/633/b4ddc8be8c14c003a0d395266d5aa22f_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1521693915&auto=format&q=92&s=3d3d141594f274d8b85647adff765e62)
Quote
The first production batch run will be completed by mid week next week. This first run will fulfill all of the January reward orders and the second run will start immediately after.
We plan to start shipping on Friday of next week when the first batch of completed Fireflies arrives to us. We will ship out all of the January rewards first and then work our way down the list until we finish with the April orders. There are over 3,000 orders to ship out so it will take some time but we hope to have all rewards shipped out by the end of April if all goes well.
Post by: Syph007 on March 27, 2018, 05:52:19 PM
Post by: pfrsantos on March 27, 2018, 05:54:19 PM
I still don't see how those are going to stay in the slot. Current toothpick has a bump that holds it in.
Willpower?...
:whistle:
Post by: Syph007 on March 27, 2018, 05:56:56 PM
I still don't see how those are going to stay in the slot. Current toothpick has a bump that holds it in.
Willpower?...
:whistle:
The force!
Well I guess the answer is friction. Which will get less as you use it.
Post by: pfrsantos on March 27, 2018, 05:58:22 PM
I still don't see how those are going to stay in the slot. Current toothpick has a bump that holds it in.
Willpower?...
:whistle:
The force!
Well I guess the answer is friction. Which will get less as you use it.
I awlways prefer friction over realirty, so...
:whistle:
Post by: Grathr on March 27, 2018, 06:02:38 PM
I still don't see how those are going to stay in the slot. Current toothpick has a bump that holds it in.
Willpower?...
:whistle:
The force!
Well I guess the answer is friction. Which will get less as you use it.
I awlways prefer friction over realirty, so...
:whistle:
:rofl:
Post by: TonySal on March 28, 2018, 12:16:23 AM
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on March 31, 2018, 09:37:32 AM
Post by: TonySal on March 31, 2018, 02:42:02 PM
Not that I ever doubted them.... :whistle:
Post by: WoodsDuck on April 09, 2018, 11:59:40 PM
Post by: FolderBeholder on April 10, 2018, 01:20:11 AM
Hope this comment isn't inappropriate.
Post by: TonySal on April 10, 2018, 01:56:35 AM
Of those of you starting to receive them, if you want to sell just one, I'd be interested.No at all... :tu:
Hope this comment isn't inappropriate.
Post by: ironraven on April 10, 2018, 02:05:28 AM
Received mine today. The presentation is nice, but I haven't had time to really look at it in depth.
:worthless:
Or at least the post is. :P
Post by: WoodsDuck on April 10, 2018, 03:21:55 AM
Received mine today. The presentation is nice, but I haven't had time to really look at it in depth.
:worthless:
Or at least the post is. :P
I just returned home. Let me get these poorly lit photos organized and I'll post momentarily.
Post by: WoodsDuck on April 10, 2018, 04:00:52 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/kyB49mY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GBITEM9.jpg)
Post by: MaverickMCS on April 10, 2018, 07:59:43 AM
Post by: Mechanickal on April 10, 2018, 08:36:02 AM
Perfect addition to my Swisschamp SOS.
Post by: WoodsDuck on April 10, 2018, 09:26:59 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ilGm68c.jpg)
And... It makes sparks. Not as big as any round ferro rod I've tried, including ones about the same length. But if you have the angle right and strike it just so (a bit slower than I would have thought) it will throw enough sparks to light tinder. I used a 91mm SAK wood saw in my testing. Not sure if the sparks would be sufficient to get a fire going in wet conditions.
It also didn't break, which was one of my biggest concerns. The method illustrated in the manual printed on the inside of the packaging was efficient for throwing sparks and bracing the rod against the pressure of the blade;
(https://i.imgur.com/5nh5plq.jpg)
There is more testing that can be done, obviously. But so far I'd have to give it a thumbs up.
Post by: Aloha on April 10, 2018, 10:13:14 PM
Post by: TonySal on April 10, 2018, 11:57:40 PM
Post by: WoodsDuck on April 11, 2018, 12:25:22 AM
Post by: TonySal on April 11, 2018, 01:22:53 AM
Nobody else here has theirs yet? I'm curious to see how their QC is, and if anyone receives a broken or poorly assembled rod. Mine shipped in a simple padded envelope, which could easily have been smashed in transit.I'll gladly review when it gets here, I am getting eMails so I'm in, I think......
Post by: TonySal on April 12, 2018, 01:46:30 AM
(Im not typing the rest, you get it)
Post by: Nix on April 16, 2018, 09:20:56 PM
Pics to follow.....
Post by: Mechanickal on April 16, 2018, 09:27:57 PM
Post by: Nix on April 16, 2018, 09:29:25 PM
Post by: Mechanickal on April 16, 2018, 09:34:07 PM
I regret not backing it now. :facepalm:
What can I say? I'm not a risk taker :whistle:
Post by: Nix on April 16, 2018, 09:45:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Zxzd47r.jpg)
The packet opens up to form a small instruction card. Good advice in a small space. They are clearly aware of some of the limitations of these 'ferrorods', but I think have solid advice on how to use them.
(https://i.imgur.com/G98ckwB.jpg)
I immediately installed a large in a Hiker, and a small in an Executive (in honor of Chuck Yeager :salute:).
The fit is great and, as previously speculated, relies on friction to hold the ferrorod in place. This seems adequate for these two SAKs.
(https://i.imgur.com/R4XR03j.jpg)
They also give a little advice about using a drop of superglue to make the fit better, if the rod is loose in a SAK. I don't see the need here, but perhaps if the rod becomes shorter or thinner, that may prove useful. Time will tell.
I used the Executive's ferro rod and the nail tool to throw some nice sparks! Not a lot of sparks, but good hot ones. I haven't tried to ignite my jute....yet. I think one will need to be resourceful and skilled to use this to make a fire, but at the moment I'm confident I could get a fire started using these. I'll do a bit of experimenting and report back.
Hey, did I mention the Firefly tips really do glow in the dark? :tu:
Post by: Nix on April 17, 2018, 12:21:49 AM
I cheated a bit in setting up my fire: jute twine (supplied), dry paper with a few drops of veggie oil, and some fat wood (resinous pine). I did this primarily so the flames would last long enough to snap a photo (I have no intention of building a big fire.). So here's my set up:
(https://i.imgur.com/PxcH0A4.jpg)
I initially thought I'd fluff up the jute, and then hold it and the FireFly together while throwing a spark (not much different from using flint and steel.). Much to my surprise this didn't work very well, even though I was getting some great sparks from the FireFly!
So I put the jute bundle down by the paper and proceed to strike the FireFly......¡SNAP!
I broke the FireFly. :facepalm:
(https://i.imgur.com/PtmYVaD.jpg)
The instructions warn you to support the Firefly, which I had done initially, but when I switched technique, I forgot and applied too much pressure to the flat and it broke clean in two. I'm putting this down to user error.
However, with the broken tip, I was still able to throw some good sparks, light the jute, and make a fire:
(https://i.imgur.com/qyeWrtn.jpg)
Lesson learned (I hope).
Overall, I think this is a good product for a situation of 'last resort'. It needs to be used with care. But it will work. I'm still happy with these.
Post by: Aloha on April 17, 2018, 12:27:09 AM
Post by: FolderBeholder on April 17, 2018, 12:35:33 AM
Not bad at all. :tu: Heck if in the process you happen to break the ferro rod and still get a fire I'd certainly call that a win.Agreed! Sure beats rubbing two sticks together.
Will it fit in the tweezer slot?
Post by: Nix on April 17, 2018, 12:37:55 AM
Post by: Aloha on April 17, 2018, 12:49:49 AM
Post by: Mactire404 on April 17, 2018, 12:49:53 PM
Hey, did I mention the Firefly tips really do glow in the dark? :tu:Thanks a bunch. I'm all out of SAK money and now I need them :facepalm:
Post by: TonySal on April 18, 2018, 01:15:56 AM
Wanted to do both the FF and TP in Huntsman plus back scale, but the one I got, the channel was too small for the TP? :rant:
Post by: Aloha on April 18, 2018, 01:21:24 AM
Ok, they're here.
Wanted to do both the FF and TP in Huntsman plus back scale, but the one I got, the channel was too small for the TP? :rant:
Any work around?
Post by: TonySal on April 18, 2018, 01:29:29 AM
Ok, they're here.
Wanted to do both the FF and TP in Huntsman plus back scale, but the one I got, the channel was too small for the TP? :rant:
Any work around?
Post by: TonySal on April 18, 2018, 01:32:17 AM
oh I dont know A007, I guess that thin plus slot is for the little pen and I don't feel like cutting and modding. Maybe I'll hide a TP or that tinder piece under the saw.... :think:Ok, they're here.
Wanted to do both the FF and TP in Huntsman plus back scale, but the one I got, the channel was too small for the TP? :rant:
Any work around?
Post by: Aloha on April 18, 2018, 01:35:52 AM
Post by: TonySal on April 18, 2018, 01:43:30 AM
Ah yes pen slot....and no pen, that would be like that 4 letter word W O R K.
Now to make some sparks! :salute:
Post by: jalind on April 18, 2018, 02:04:06 AM
John
Post by: AndyTiedye on April 18, 2018, 02:15:30 AM
Ah yes pen slot.l have plans for the pen slot...
(the rattail file from the Minathor)
Post by: TonySal on April 18, 2018, 02:24:04 AM
Pen slot in "Plus" scales is slightly curved, following the curvature of the scales edge. This flexes the pen slightly for interference fit and retention. The SwissCard does the same thing with its pen slot that's nearly identical in curvature (if you have one, hold it up to a bright light). A ferro rod is brittle and has no appreciable flex. I don't believe the Plus scales pen slot would work with one because of that curvature.Correct John, the TP would not bend but is also too wide. Meh..... :cheers:
John
Post by: TonySal on April 19, 2018, 10:22:09 PM
Not having much luck with my collection.... :salute:
Post by: Aloha on April 20, 2018, 12:41:28 AM
Can opener may work as well. Certainly would ease the excitement over using the small blade ;). The backside awl should also work. Pretty much whatever has a sharp edge in my experience works well. I love the saw blades spine tho. Works really really well.
Post by: TonySal on April 20, 2018, 03:13:11 AM
Small blade :whistle:. Yeah yeah, this may not be popular but seeing how this ferro rod would be last ditch.....Ah ha! Awl backside, let's try...........
Can opener may work as well. Certainly would ease the excitement over using the small blade ;). The backside awl should also work. Pretty much whatever has a sharp edge in my experience works well. I love the saw blades spine tho. Works really really well.
Post by: AmberDragon on April 20, 2018, 05:59:09 AM
Small blade :whistle:. Yeah yeah, this may not be popular but seeing how this ferro rod would be last ditch.....
Can opener may work as well. Certainly would ease the excitement over using the small blade ;). The backside awl should also work. Pretty much whatever has a sharp edge in my experience works well. I love the saw blades spine tho. Works really really well.
What about the scissors? They have an edge and don't do anything the small blade can't do. Save your more useful small blade/awl edges and sacrifice the redundant edge to the cause?
Post by: pomsbz on April 20, 2018, 06:02:01 AM
Post by: Syph007 on April 20, 2018, 09:00:55 PM
Post by: TonySal on April 20, 2018, 09:19:41 PM
Post by: Nix on April 20, 2018, 10:36:43 PM
Saw
Executive nail file
Can opener
Awl
Awl seem good. Saw is easiest to use.
Post by: TonySal on April 20, 2018, 10:39:06 PM
I've tried:Yes, thanks Nix, best for my Huntsman outdoors.
Saw
Executive nail file
Can opener
Awl
Awl seem good. Saw is easiest to use.
Post by: Nix on April 20, 2018, 10:59:40 PM
Post by: Aloha on April 21, 2018, 12:39:15 AM
Small blade :whistle:. Yeah yeah, this may not be popular but seeing how this ferro rod would be last ditch.....
Can opener may work as well. Certainly would ease the excitement over using the small blade ;). The backside awl should also work. Pretty much whatever has a sharp edge in my experience works well. I love the saw blades spine tho. Works really really well.
What about the scissors? They have an edge and don't do anything the small blade can't do. Save your more useful small blade/awl edges and sacrifice the redundant edge to the cause?
For sure. I'd use anything that worked in an emergency. :salute:
Post by: TonySal on April 28, 2018, 07:13:06 PM
On the can opener tool, the little notch by (under) the small screwdriver works too!
Post by: TonySal on April 30, 2018, 02:24:12 AM
This just in, from my state of the art testing lab, (downstairs bathroom):Wow, my bad, suck as a scientist! The wire bender/stripper notch seems to throw sparks too! :salute:
On the can opener tool, the little notch by (under) the small screwdriver works too!
Post by: pa_strunk on May 26, 2018, 07:40:33 PM
Post by: GoatDragon on May 26, 2018, 07:44:52 PM
Do we have any sense of how many uses one might expect out of this ferro rod? It seems very thin. Also, does it seem at all brittle and liable to snap in half after it has been used a bit and thinned out?
Post by: gene stoner on May 26, 2018, 08:11:26 PM
... and you SAKsperts can please advise me, which blades besides the saw blade back have the edge to make sparks?
Not having much luck with my collection.... :salute:
I put a 90 degree edge on my cap lifter and it works great!
Post by: Aloha on May 27, 2018, 12:08:12 AM
Just popping my head in this thread to ask a question, haven't read it all so apologies if it has been asked or answered before!
Do we have any sense of how many uses one might expect out of this ferro rod? It seems very thin. Also, does it seem at all brittle and liable to snap in half after it has been used a bit and thinned out?
I dont have an answer since I don't own one but, I can imagine in an emergency, once would be very welcomed. I'd think one could get a few( 3 or so ) uses however this is more emergency type thing so again once might be its role. I'd carry a pill fob with a tinderquick or something very similar to make catching a spark a lot easier. Thats my 2c worth.
Post by: TonySal on May 27, 2018, 02:37:17 AM
It comes with a little strand of tinder - cute.Just popping my head in this thread to ask a question, haven't read it all so apologies if it has been asked or answered before!
Do we have any sense of how many uses one might expect out of this ferro rod? It seems very thin. Also, does it seem at all brittle and liable to snap in half after it has been used a bit and thinned out?
I dont have an answer since I don't own one but, I can imagine in an emergency, once would be very welcomed. I'd think one could get a few( 3 or so ) uses however this is more emergency type thing so again once might be its role. I'd carry a pill fob with a tinderquick or something very similar to make catching a spark a lot easier. Thats my 2c worth.
Yes, they say, hold it against a forefinger to strike it. Not many SAK edges are 90 degree enough IMHO, which is a bit disingenuous if you don't have the SAK they demonstrated.
It does work, as a cool addition/ gimic, I just dont think its for survival.
Ill give it a try this weekend and see whats up. So far B-
Post by: Aloha on May 27, 2018, 06:22:08 AM
Post by: pomsbz on May 27, 2018, 12:31:09 PM
Post by: Syph007 on May 27, 2018, 05:22:40 PM
http://firesteel.com/firesteel-micro/
Post by: TonySal on May 27, 2018, 07:00:22 PM
The saw blade spine on SAKs is brilliant for striking a ferro rod.Yes, that seems to be the best.
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on May 30, 2018, 08:21:34 AM
Not so in the extra scales (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,73762.msg1593189.html#msg1593189) I added to the ST300VX though - the tool slots are too narrow, seems the Fireflies are wider than the T&T by quite a margin, and I used the T&T as templates for the design of the scales. Will have to redesign them (again ::) *sigh*)...
Post by: TonySal on May 30, 2018, 03:29:03 PM
Just got mine... they fit well in the SAKs at least.I know, was planning on using the Plus scale too....
Not so in the extra scales (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,73762.msg1593189.html#msg1593189) I added to the ST300VX though - the tool slots are too narrow, seems the Fireflies are wider than the T&T by quite a margin, and I used the T&T as templates for the design of the scales. Will have to redesign them (again ::) *sigh*)...
Post by: ChopperCharles on May 30, 2018, 11:07:48 PM
I use the toothpick more than the tweezers, so I too would rather have it fill the tweezer hole :/
Charles.
Post by: TonySal on May 30, 2018, 11:52:15 PM
So, the tortoisegear website is still saying pre-orders? Are you guys kickstarter beneficiaries? Or are orders being fulfilled?Charles, right now I dont know WTF
I use the toothpick more than the tweezers, so I too would rather have it fill the tweezer hole :/
Charles.
It does work, good??
Ah.. whatever, do what you like and try it let us know !
Post by: WoodsDuck on May 31, 2018, 03:17:49 AM
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on May 31, 2018, 06:41:44 AM
Are you guys kickstarter beneficiaries? ....Yes, and I agree that some more flexibility might be hoped for...
I use the toothpick more than the tweezers, so I too would rather have it fill the tweezer hole :/
Charles.
Post by: TonySal on May 31, 2018, 09:22:50 PM
Yes, I was and as Duck says, must be backorders- went over by months!Are you guys kickstarter beneficiaries? ....Yes, and I agree that some more flexibility might be hoped for...
I use the toothpick more than the tweezers, so I too would rather have it fill the tweezer hole :/
Charles.
Post by: TonySal on June 25, 2018, 11:45:35 PM
Will use a piece of clear tape, fire would be for emergency only anyway..... :rant:
Post by: TonySal on July 17, 2018, 04:05:16 AM
Could be me......
Post by: TonySal on July 20, 2018, 12:08:19 AM
Must be the scales, falls right out of two of mine.Uh... oops, holding SAK up to the light, I could see the scale was not snapped all the way. So I fixed and the FF is in ok- still not the best item, but I want to be fair....my fault on this one...
Will use a piece of clear tape, fire would be for emergency only anyway..... :rant:
Post by: TonySal on July 27, 2018, 12:15:52 AM
Tests continue...
Comments guys? :rant:
Post by: Aloha on July 27, 2018, 03:02:00 PM
... and also, not much luck with anything but the SAK saw back ...
Could be me......
Given the idea of the FF, I think it would be best suited to carry in a SAK with saw. While I'm not saying its the best idea the small blade could work too. If in an emergency I'd have no problem striking a ferro rod with my knifes edge.
Post by: Aloha on July 27, 2018, 03:07:15 PM
...and I take back the previous apology... picked up Huntsman and Tinker, fell right out, brand new! Temp and humidity changes? Lowering to C- real fast.
Tests continue...
Comments guys? :rant:
While the temperature here in SoCal is relatively stable we do get change. I've not had any issue with any scale tools on my SAKs. Does the FF easily fit or is there some resistance when putting into the space. I wonder if a bit more resistance would have been better? For example, on my Swisschamp, the pen has some resistance both withdrawing and inserting, same on my CT29. Might be some sort of slight bend in the pen but its a positive feel and never an issue of the pen coming out.
Post by: Syph007 on July 27, 2018, 04:06:46 PM
...and I take back the previous apology... picked up Huntsman and Tinker, fell right out, brand new! Temp and humidity changes? Lowering to C- real fast.
Tests continue...
Comments guys? :rant:
While the temperature here in SoCal is relatively stable we do get change. I've not had any issue with any scale tools on my SAKs. Does the FF easily fit or is there some resistance when putting into the space. I wonder if a bit more resistance would have been better? For example, on my Swisschamp, the pen has some resistance both withdrawing and inserting, same on my CT29. Might be some sort of slight bend in the pen but its a positive feel and never an issue of the pen coming out.
You are correct about how the pen retains. Its not the pen that is bent though its the channel. If you look down the pen slot on a plus back scale when removed you can see its not straight.
SO..
Pen - retained by bent channel in scale
Tweezer - retained by spring opening force of tweezer
Toothpick - retained by little notch that is part of the toothpick that engages in the plastic slot
This is why from the beginning I said it wasn't a good method for retention to just rely on friction. Told the maker that too, noone cared. I still recommend just getting a firesteel meant for carry on a keyring and put that on a sak keyring. More practical and wont be lost. There are tons of options for that.
Post by: TonySal on July 28, 2018, 12:07:33 AM
Post by: TonySal on July 28, 2018, 12:11:13 AM
:salute:
Post by: Aloha on July 28, 2018, 07:10:04 AM
Post by: Aloha on July 28, 2018, 07:11:23 AM
Thanks :salute: don't think it was really meant for a SHTF situation, novelty idea...I think Vic would have come up with something if they thought it viable option.
Can you find some method for better or more secure retention? Its still a neat idea but you certainly don't want it to fall out.
Post by: TonySal on July 28, 2018, 02:24:35 PM
I suppose you could put a tiny piece of clear tape over it... :think:Thanks :salute: don't think it was really meant for a SHTF situation, novelty idea...I think Vic would have come up with something if they thought it viable option.
Can you find some method for better or more secure retention? Its still a neat idea but you certainly don't want it to fall out.
Post by: this_is_nascar on July 29, 2018, 02:09:39 PM
They either won't go in at all it will slide out if they do go in.
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Post by: TonySal on July 29, 2018, 02:13:30 PM
I ordered a variety pack of these and have been disappointed. I'm not having much luck using these in any if my SAKS.... and only decent striker seems to be the SAK saw... :rant:
They either won't go in at all it will slide out if they do go in.
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Post by: TonySal on August 02, 2018, 01:39:24 PM
Post by: Aloha on August 02, 2018, 02:51:56 PM
Post by: TonySal on August 04, 2018, 06:38:15 PM
Post by: Aloha on August 05, 2018, 06:47:05 AM
I dunno A007, you're too nice, all these issues... think we should get on the net and swat this Firefly?
:rofl:
I hoped they would have tested and tested on a lot of SAKs. New and used. Come on fire fly people are you listening?
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 05, 2018, 10:45:21 AM
Post by: this_is_nascar on August 05, 2018, 01:29:20 PM
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Post by: TonySal on August 25, 2018, 04:23:26 AM
If not.... SWAT !!
Post by: Aloha on August 25, 2018, 07:21:15 AM
Post by: TonySal on August 25, 2018, 02:43:47 PM
I've grown very fond of tinder quick or wet fire. Easy enough to carry and well worth the time to find a way to carry them. One spark should be enough in an emergency even from this firefly. I bought some cheapo ones and they worked well enough. I also have some wicked storm matches. Good gosh they are hard to put out....007, are you actually in Hawaii. If be real careful during storms.
Post by: Aloha on August 25, 2018, 03:25:26 PM
I've grown very fond of tinder quick or wet fire. Easy enough to carry and well worth the time to find a way to carry them. One spark should be enough in an emergency even from this firefly. I bought some cheapo ones and they worked well enough. I also have some wicked storm matches. Good gosh they are hard to put out....007, are you actually in Hawaii. If be real careful during storms.
I'm in California, thank you tho. :salute:
Post by: TonySal on September 25, 2018, 06:50:22 PM
Not putting things in backwatds to prevent the FF from falling out or tape to hold it in, not suitable for real emergencies anyway imho.
Swat the FF
Post by: this_is_nascar on September 26, 2018, 12:38:15 PM
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Post by: Aloha on September 26, 2018, 04:17:37 PM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PSGOH3C/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B00PSGOH3C
Post by: TonySal on September 26, 2018, 05:36:11 PM
Yes I've seen the toggles recommended by outdoor types :)
Post by: Aloha on September 26, 2018, 06:04:43 PM
Post by: Rapidray on September 26, 2018, 06:57:05 PM
Attach the toggle to any outdoor gear and you are good to go. Heres what I like. Its a clone of the Nanostiker. I added a piece of "tinder quick" type cotton. Its super flammable with just a spark. I also keep jute in a small hank handy. The clone nano striker is small enough IMO to keep on a keychain. Its also not threatening looking. No-one would know what it was.That looks like a nice set up. And as long as it works, thats all that matters! :like:
Post by: Aloha on September 26, 2018, 11:24:41 PM
Post by: TonySal on September 27, 2018, 04:17:02 AM
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Post by: TonySal on February 13, 2019, 01:20:36 PM
My opinion- great idea, does not work entirely as advertised...
Post by: cranked247 on February 14, 2019, 11:31:18 PM
Up until I read this, I would have highly recommended this for a Victorinox SAK enthusiast. They are a little small but can definitely throw enough sparks to start a fire in a survival situation. The metal file is definitely the best tool to strike with, and the wood saw is second best. And you do have to be careful because of the size, but with a little practice it's not bad.
I too actually use the toothpick and wish there was another option on where it can be stored, but I always seem to have a second knife or tool on me.
But for the price I think it's a neat add on for your EDC SAK. Just my opinion, but as a backup plan for having fire, this is a great little product. I would still bring my bigger ferro rod if I knew I was going to starting multiple fires but this will work in a pinch.
Post by: this_is_nascar on February 15, 2019, 12:13:45 AM
I was in the kickstarter and got a pack of 3 full size strikers. So far they have fit my knifes no problem, haven't had the issues with falling out.???
Up until I read this, I would have highly recommended this for a Victorinox SAK enthusiast. They are a little small but can definitely throw enough sparks to start a fire in a survival situation. The metal file is definitely the best tool to strike with, and the wood saw is second best. And you do have to be careful because of the size, but with a little practice it's not bad.
I too actually use the toothpick and wish there was another option on where it can be stored, but I always seem to have a second knife or tool on me.
But for the price I think it's a neat add on for your EDC SAK. Just my opinion, but as a backup plan for having fire, this is a great little product. I would still bring my bigger ferro rod if I knew I was going to starting multiple fires but this will work in a pinch.
On my Executive, the toothpick remains and this device replaced the tweezers.
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Post by: cranked247 on February 15, 2019, 12:32:31 AM