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Tool Talk => Leatherman Tools => Topic started by: Raukodur on March 16, 2007, 03:57:11 PM
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A few months ago I bought a leatherman surge off ebay for a total of around £46 (UK resident, bought from a US seller). It was the black oxide version, and it is a very nice tool which I am quite impressed by.
Since the leatherman TTi came out I have been considering it and am really considering buying one, I like the fact that its knife is made of higher quality steel, that its handles are titanium, and that it has a cutting hook. I also prefer its handle design to that of the wave / surge, seems more 'neat'
I do despise the scissor design though, the one on the surge is excellent, the little crappy thing on the charge really irks me.
I have also looked at the Gerber tools, the SOG tools, and the SAK tools and prefer the leatherman design (i believe its more 'elegant' with the four outisde opening blades, rest internal, and the metal 'sheaths' for the outside blade making the plier handles more comfortable to hold).
Anyway, lot of rambling aside, am I right in thinking all leatherman tools are also available in black oxide? If so I cannot find the TTI black version anywhere.
Also, does anyone know if they come in camouflage colours?
I think if given the choice I would prefer camouflage handles with black tools. That would look pretty slick IMO.
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Check out cabelas.com. They carry the TTi in camo with silver blades & the Ti in camo with black blades.
http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0032418517678a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=leatherman+camo&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=leatherman+camo&noImage=0
http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0031835516680a&type=product&cmCat=Search_Results_NYR&returnPage=search-results2.jsp&Ne=2510&noImage=0&Ntt=multi-tool&Ntk=Products&QueryText=multi-tool&Ntx=matchall&N=4124&trueNum=31
Check out my scissors comparison for reference.
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,683.msg8172.html#msg8172
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I think Cabela's is the only place to carry either tool in camo - made just for them.
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Hi Tom,
Got my Cabela's TTi in camo yesterday (along with the Cabela's legacy). The TTI blades (except for the file) are black oxide just like their Ti.
Joe
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Wow, thanks for the quick replies!
I am amazed to hear the idea I had was already in practise. How much did the camo TTI with black blades cost you? I would love to get one but I am hoping it wont be too much of a problem since I am a UK resident and I believe that is a US store.
The leatherman TTI's I have been watching on Ebay, the cheapest I can find, are around $109 inclusive of delivery to the UK. So I would be hoping for a price not too much higher than that since although the paint job is very cool, it doesnt warrant spending tens of pounds more.
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Good to know. My wife threw out my last catalog, & online it looked like only silver for the TTi.
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I have not yet seen the TTi offered in a black finish, but I expect it will be shortly.
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Hmm, thats wierd, I wrote to Cabela asking them about a camo TTI with black blades and got this reply:
"Thank you for your correspondence. I am very sorry, but we do not carry the Leatherman Charge TTi with a black oxide blade."
Which I found strange since someone replied in this thread saying they had just recieved a black TTI with camo handles...
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Ok, just had another email from cabela, the TTI they have (the sec3d version) is black with camo handles, so the exact configuration I was after. Now i need to consider whether its worth paying an extra $30 for the paint job.
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Hello All,
I don't blame the Cabela's person for their comments on the availablity of black oxide on the camo TTi. Their Spring 2007 catalog shows everything shiny & bright. I was surprised when mine arrived as described in black oxide - product # 830768. Maybe I have the only one (not) :D
Joe
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Heh, any chance you could put up some photos of the new leatherman you've bought, since we cant see it on cabela's wesbite?
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Here's a picture of the Charge Ti from Cabela's. It sounds like the same color scheme as Joe's new TTi. (Camo handles, black blades)
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Yep, that looks pretty damn cool, really really tempting to spend the extra bit of money and buy the same colour config for the TTI from cabelas.
Of course I wouldnt ever use their international shipping, which is exorbitant. I'll probably have the tool shippied to a contact in the states and get them to send it to me using the cheapest secure service available.
From reading some of the previous messages I got the image the cabelas offers free US postage? Or am i mistaken..do they also offer a free gift with the TTI?
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The only thing that would bother me about that is if you actually took it camping, fishing or hiking and put it down. You'd never find the darn thing again!
Def
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True, but then I live in the UK, in a city, Im not going hunting with the multitool, itd be used for DIY more than anything.
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Excellent- then with this tool the garden hose will never see you coming! :D
Def
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hehe. Truth be told I dont need this multitool at all, more of a desire than anything else. Thats why i suppose I am so interested in the colour scheme, since it just adds to how 'nice' the tool looks. If it was about functionality, my leatherman surge can do everything I need.
I suppose the main reason why I am selling my surge and buying this is because a few weeks ago I got interested in buying one of the leatherman knives, a klamath which has the S30V knife blade, and a gutting hook. THat got me thinking, in that if I owned a TTI, which has the same metal blade (although obviously not as good a knife blade) and a small cutting hook, i wouldnt really be able to justify buying the knife, and I would actually prefer just one tool, rather than a multitool and a knife.
So since then I decided to try and find the cheapest new TTI i could, and just a few days ago I started thinking oof buying a black one (like my surge) rather than a silfer one, and the camo handles look too damn good (i like the way the camo is done, rather than the normal camo of matter green, brown, white and black paint) to pass up.
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Trust me, I don;t think anyone has to justify a new tool purchase in this crowd!
Liking the way another tool looks, or merely not having a tool is more than enough reaon to buy one. Of course, count yourself lucky that we are here to suggest buying the tool rather than a knife- otherwise you'd start to miss the pliers and screwdrivers etc, and would have to buy a new tool as well!
Def
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Cabela's shipping isn't usually free, but it's pretty cheap. I live 200 miles from them, & the shipping is usually $5 or less. They would charge tax for me too since there's a Cabela's in Colorado now which would amount to at least $4.
Tom
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It seems the difference in price I would end up paying (in total including delivery to the UK) is going to be around $30-$35 for the difference in paint job.
It look so damn good I am tempted, I suppose if the surge I have listed on ebay sells for a good price i'll go for it.
The price of the tool from Cabela's is $129.99, with delivery to the UK is $155.99 (so $26 for delivery to the UK)
If I can get the tool shipped to a US address for $5, and then shipped to the UK for $10, that means difference of $11 which is about £5.60.
Suppose I need to consider whether the hastle of going through a 2 stage delivery is worth £5.60.
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It's about $30 more for most of us in the U.S. since I can probably find a plain TTi for $85 or $90.
I just looked & couldn't find a new one for less than $99. :(
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Suppose I need to consider whether the hastle of going through a 2 stage delivery is worth £5.60.
While I can't speak about anyone in particular I will say that we have some pretty good members here, and I don't think finding anyone to help out would be a big problem.
Def
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true, that was something i was considering Defender. The real choice I need to make first is whether spending an extra $30-$35 is worth it for a paint job, even if it is such a nice one (and the exact one I was after).
What this all may hinge on is how much I manage to sell my leatherman surge for on ebay, if I get a good price i'll find it easier to justify the extra cost to myself, so fingers crossed i get a couple of nutters waging a bidding war over it.
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Actually I'll have to use a US address with two stage shipping, because if I dont, I will be charged a hefty amount of customs tax, and probably post office tax (which can be as high as 50%) on top of that including long delays. So that really isnt an option.
The way I normally buy US goods off ebay is to get the seller to write the value of the item as ~$25, and say its a 'gift', never had to pay customs tax yet.
Taking a look at the info Cabela's provides for their within the US postage fees I found this table:
Order Amount Standard Express
US Dollars 3-6 Business Day Delivery
$0 - $15.00 $4.75
$15.01 - $30.00 $6.75
$30.01 - $50.00 $7.75
$50.01 - $75.00 $8.75
$75.01 - $100.00 $9.75
$100.01 - $125.00 $11.75
$125.01 - $200.00 $12.75
Over $200.00 $13.75
Which seems quite nasty. Most UK companies will offer the same postage rates across the board for all items purchased, except if there is a weight increase involved. Some even lower the shipping cost if your order is really big (i.e. worth lots of money). Some even offer free postage with orders above a certain value. I am sure quite a lot of US companies are the same.
So it seems that the savings on a two stage delivery won't be much at all if possible customs taxes are taken out.
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A quick OT question if I may;
What the heck is this "VAT" tax I'm always hearing about in the U.K.? Is that the customs tax you were referring to?
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Value Added Tax from Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAT
Value added tax (VAT) is tax on exchanges. It is levied on the value added that results from each exchange. It differs from a sales tax because a sales tax is levied on the total value of the exchange. For this reason, a VAT is really neutral with respect to the number of passages that there are between the producer and the final consumer. A VAT is an indirect tax, in that the tax is collected from someone other than the person who actually bears the cost of the tax (namely the seller rather than the consumer). To avoid double taxation on final consumption, exports (which are, by definition, consumed abroad) are usually not subject to VAT or VAT which led to such consequences is refunded.
The VAT was invented by a French economist in 1954. Maurice Lauré, joint director of the French tax authority, the Direction générale des impôts, as taxe sur la valeur ajoutée (TVA in French) was first to introduce VAT with effect from 10 April 1954 for large businesses, and extended over time to all business sectors. In France, it is the most important source of state finance, accounting for approximately 45% of state revenues.
Personal end-consumers of products, consumers and services cannot recover VAT on purchases, but businesses are able to recover VAT on the materials and services that they buy to make further supplies or services directly or indirectly sold to end-users. In this way, the total tax levied at each stage in the economic chain of supply is a constant fraction of the value added by a business to its products, and most of the cost of collecting the tax is borne by business, rather than by the state. VAT was invented because very high sales taxes and tariffs encourage cheating and smuggling. It has been criticized on the grounds that it is a regressive tax.
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Thanks! (sounds complicated)
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Yah, I couldn't make sense of it either. I'm glad we don't have it. ;)
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Its not that bad as tax's go. Here in the UK you 17.5% on everything you purchase with a few exceptions (food, book children's cloth's and a few others). Before it was introduced we had different tax's for different goods I remember one was 25% on luxury goods (that included cameras, fridge's, washing machines and cars in other words anything worth having). So even the definition of luxury goods has changed.
If you get something from the UK, you do not pay the tax but if we buy from you we have import duty to pay if it is over a certain price, as well as the VAT.
We do not pay either on a gift sent from abroad though.
Dave
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Thankfully the surge sold for an OK price, around £52 exclusing all fees and delivery, which is ok since I bought it for £46 inclusive of all costs.
I am now waiting to sell the minitool I have, hopefully it will make a little bit, im not expecting too much.
Anyway, I am now seriously considering buying the leatherman TTI from cabelas with the camo handles and black blades. However I have recently been reading some comments on forums from dissappointed TTI purchasers, saying that QC at leatherman is getting crapper by the day. If I were to buy the leatherman from Cabelas, and get it shipped to the UK, and it turns out to have problems, would I be able to send / take it to the leatherman firm in the UK or would I need to return it to cabelas?
Also, since I would not be able to order direct from cabelas to the UK, due to their high shipping fee and also threat of huge customs taxes, would any kind soul here help me out to have the tool shipped to their US address, and then forward it to me in a way as to avoid customs taxes and save on the shipping?
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I would, but I'm not in the US either...
Def
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anyone? wont cost you a penny, i'll be paying for everything. Take a little bit of effort, but itll result in some very very nice photos for multitool.org...
Also, important question I had asked in my last post was regarding return of the tool in case its faulty / damaged / used. I am guessing, due to its special colouring, I would need to return in to Cabela's. In that case, it doesnt make sense for the tool to be forwarded to me without first checking to see if it is perfect in the states, in case returns need to be made. So the item would need to be checked out, and once it is declared to be in good order, it would be forwarded to the UK.
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Give folks a chance- most of the US is still at work!
Def
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ah yes, very true, so easy to forget about time zone differences :)
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Tell me about it- I am about halfway between you and California! My whole day is half over before I even wake up, and still going long after I've gone to bed!
Def
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I'll be stopping at the Cabela's store in Dundee, Michigan next Friday 03/30. Want me to check and see if they have the camo TTi in stock?
Good & Bad though:
Good is that if they have them in stock, I could check it out before buying. :)
Bad is that I would be charged an additional 6% Michigan sales tax. :(
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I'll be stopping at the Cabela's store in Dundee, Michigan next Friday 03/30. Want me to check and see if they have the camo TTi in stock?
Good & Bad though:
Good is that if they have them in stock, I could check it out before buying. :)
Bad is that I would be charged an additional 6% Michigan sales tax. :(
Hey, you won't be too far from me next Friday. Speaking of Cabela's... I'm heading there on Sunday :)
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would you be charged a sales tax too 665ae?
If not then if you could check out a leatherman TTI with camo handles and black blades, make sure its up to scratch, and buy it (I believe they are $129.99 from their website) then I will reimburse you.
Edit: hmm, just wondering how exactly I would reimburse you without have to pay a fee. First thought to mind is of paypal, but they take a nice fee, aswell as not having a great conversion rate. I had originally thought of ordering the item on cabela's website, and having it delivered to a US address, but this is better in that it would cut out within-US postage fees. And also allow the tool to be checked out before being bought (of course, all depending on it being in stock). Ideal solution was if I could order through the website and ask them to hold it for a specific person to pick up. I suppose its worth sending them an email and asking them if this can be arranged.
Edit2: It seems Cabela's electronic gift certificate is perfect, I could send the certificate for $129.99 to someone's account, and they would be able to use that in the store to buy the TTI, so avoiding any money transfer fees. That leaves postage costs to the UK, but since I don't expect those to be more than $10 (since that is how much some dealers on ebay charge for TTI shipping from US to UK), i wouldnt mind paying for that through paypal and covering the small amount paypal takes for recieving money.
So basically, if someone is willing and able to go Cabela's store in the near future, I could send the electronic certificate to their email address as soon as required and the whole process can be gotten underway :)
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One problem might be that the Dundee, Michigan outlet may not yet stock the camo TTi. (It may only be in the catalogs at this point.) I'll try to find the Dundee number and give them a phone call tomorrow to see if they have it.
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If I can convice my girlfriend to let me... I'll swing by the multi section on Sunday and take a look. :P
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Yes, please do J-sews, because if I need to pay for the tool via something like paypal, its going to end up being very very expensive due to covering fees and a poor conversion rate. Thats why I would much prefer to buy an electronic gift voucher from Cabela's for $129.99 and send it to the email of the person able to go to the store, this way I should hopefully incur no fees, and the whole transaction will be a lot smoother.
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:::eagerly awaits to find out if the Cabela store in question has the leatherman in question, in stock:::
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The person I talked to on the phone says no, they do not have the TTi in Camo with Black blades.
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ah, thats most inconvenient. Did he happen to mention if they were going to get it in stock any time in the future?
If picking it up from a store isnt going to work, then i suppose ordering it online and paying the postage fees toa US address will be the course of action. I think for an order around £130 the postage is £13, real shame the store doesnt have the tool in stock. Would also have made it a lot easier to check if its in perfect condition before buying.
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I haven't been to the main Cabela's store in Nebraska for a couple years. It's about 4 hours away from me. I know they stock everything in the catalog plus a bunch more. If I can make it there in the next couple weeks I'll let you know.
Tom
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yeah definately, its a shame cabela's postage has a tiered system, where the higher the value of your order, the more they charge. Having someone pick up the tool not only has the advantage of saving on within-US delivery fees, but also allows the tool to be inspected before being bought.
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Yah, bummer. :(
Based on past experience, it could take anywhere from one to six months before all the Cabelas outlet stores stock items that are newly listed in their catalog.
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Another thought: how stuck are you on the TTi version raukodur? Because I'm sure the Dundee store has the camo Ti in stock if that will work for you. (That is where I purchased mine.)
Off the top of my head, I believe the only differences in the TTi over the Ti is the cap crimper notch in the plier jaws, and the "guthook" on the back of the serrated blade. (Nothing else right?)
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its not just the gut hook but also the better steel for the knife. I would have also thought that leatherman would have improved the chargge in other small ways which they cant list, maybe thats just wishful thinking.
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Oops yah, I forgot about the S30V blade steel.
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any other members of this forum happen to live close to a Cabela's store who wouldnt mind helping out? Guess the first thing woud be to phone and find out if the shop has the camo handles black bladed TTI. None of this would be an issue if cabela's had free delivery for people wanting to buy their special TTI's :P
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anyone have any ideas on maybe a different way to go about this?
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I dunno- I have been wracking my brain about it for you, but most of the ideas I had would end up costing you more than just having it shipped to you in the first place!
If I come up with anything I will let you know...
Def
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The problem with shipping it directly from Cabelas (which would cost $155 from Cabela's) is that I would have to pay customs and post office taxes which can get as ridiculously high as 50%. So thats not an option at all.
The alternative is buying the tool and getting it shipped to a US address. I believe this will cost ~$145 since Cabelas charge a meaty $10-$15 delivery fee for products around the price range of $130 I believe from what Ive read on their website. The tool would then have to be shipped to the UK, which I believe could be done for around $10, and since it would be a personal package, and the true value of the item doesnt need to be written on the package, I dont believe I would have to pay customs taxes. So in total this method would also cost around $155.
The problem with this is that its ending up around $45-$50 more expensive then if I was to buy a normal silver coloured TTI, new, off reputable US ebay sellers. I am not willing to pay that much extra for a paint job.
Now, if someone could pick one of these tools up from a Cabela's store, that would not only save on the within-US postage costs, but would also allow examination of the tool before being shipped, to make sure its in perfect condition. In this case the total deal would work out to around $140, paying about $30 for the paint job I want, which I am willing to do.
Everything seemed to be coming together perfectly when 665ae said he lived close to a store, however, unfortunately they didnt have it in stock.
So either I now wait until a Cabelas store near one of the members here gets the camo handles, black bladed TTI in stock, or there is some other way to carry this out I havent thought about.
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Hi,
Keep in mind that if someone physically purchases this in a store located in a state with sales tax, they will end up paying that sales tax.
Joe
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ok, thats something I have no knowledge about whatsoever, what exactly is this 'sales tax'? Is it like VAT in the UK? And how would I go about avoiding it.
It is beginning to seem that unless i'm willing to really splash out, it isnt worth getting the paint job I want :(
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Sales tax is a tax levied by the individual states and is a percentage of the overall sale. When purchasing something from out of state, such as online or through mail order, it doesn't apply. If you go into the store, you are purchasing it in that state, and therefore are charged that state's tax.
Therefore, if someone goes into the store to get it, they will pay the sales tax. If they purchase it from outside the state they don't. So you might be just as far ahead to get it shipped to someone and have it sent to you from there.
Confused enough yet? :P
Def
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Unfortunately its all crystal clear, I'm not willing to pay $40+ for having a paintjob on the TTI, so i guess that wraps things up here.
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In addition to that, a seller is obligated to charge sales tax if they happen to have a retail outlet or store in the same state as the order is placed. Thus if I buy something from Cabela's in Nebraska & I am in Colorado, I still pay Colorado tax because there is a Cabela's store in Nebraska. In Colorado we have separate state, county, & city taxes, & some sellers have even charged the county & city tax on top of the state tax. Colorado is the only state that separates these out like this though.
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According to the Cabela's website, the camo TTi sells for $129.99
Shipping to anywhere in the United States is (a ridiculous) $12.75
The only way for me to get it any cheaper would be to wait until they are available in the Michigan outlet store. Then the price would be $129.99 plus $7.80 (Michigan has a 6% sales tax)
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When I was at the Cabela's in Michigan yesterday (Sunday) I DID see the Camo TTi with black blades and plier. I tried to find the guy that told me they didn't have them but he wasn't in. >:D
So, just to clarify. The Dundee, Michigan Cabela's DOES have the Camo TTi. They had 5 or 6 of them on the rack, and they all looked good.
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Great, how on earth did they tell you they didnt have any.
Hmm, if you were to buy one, how much would it cost you with all taxes etc included? Would you also pay the 6% tax J-sews is talking about?
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If anyone, regardless of where they live, goes into the store to purchase one, they pay the sales tax. In Michigan it is 6% but it varies from state to state.
Def
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how much does it vary or is it pretty much 6% everywhere? Im thinking this is unavoidable.
Also, are you sure it was the TTI? Not the TI? I suppose the easiest way to tell would be if it had the crimper in the pliers and gut hook on the back of the serrated blade.
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I don't live in the US so I can't say for certain, but I imagine it varies, although I doubt by much.
Def
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It varies from 3% to 9%, with most states being right around 5%.
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Yep, I'm sure it was the TTi. I saw the Ti first, and the TTi was two rows over. I checked the model name a few times to make sure it was the right one.
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Hmm, so in total (including the tax) how much would it cost you to buy the TTI?
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According to the Cabela's website, the camo TTi sells for $129.99
Shipping to anywhere in the United States is (a ridiculous) $12.75
The only way for me to get it any cheaper would be to wait until they are available in the Michigan outlet store. Then the price would be $129.99 plus $7.80 (Michigan has a 6% sales tax)
$137.79 by my math.
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Well, i suppose once in a while its worth going for something you really want.
Is that the same amount it would cost 665ae?
If so, are either of you going to the cabela's store in the near future?
What I suppose is the easiest way is for me to buy you an electronic gift certificate for that amount and email it to you from the Cabela's website.
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Yes, it will be the same price for anyone who purchases it from the Michigan store. The only way to obtain it any cheaper would be to locate another store in a different state that has a lower sales tax. Although it seems that even if you were that lucky, it would only save one or two dollars. That doesn't seem worth the bother to me.
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Okay, camo Charge TTi mission is a go, all systems are checked and ready, all battle stations have been manned, all watches have been synchronized. Barring any unforeseen difficulties, I should be back here with a full report on either Friday evening at 2100 hours, or Saturday morning at the latest.
Alpha bravo niner, over and out.
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Roger that Bravo-Zero-Bravo, you are cleared for exit on runway niner, repeat runway niner.
Good hunting Bravo-Zero-Bravo, come home safe, over.
Def
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Roger Roger
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Hehe, many thanks :D
God willing the TTI will be acquired with minimal fuss.
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:::eagerly awaits to find out if J-sews managed to get the TTI as planned:::
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Start working on someone else's fingernails... Bob is out of town until late tonight or early tomorrow! :grin:
Def
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OPERATION CAMO-CHARGE
Mission Report Log:
After first plotting coordinates into our navigation system, we cautiously approached our objective from the south.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/cabelas/cab1.jpg)
(above) A subtle clue that we were approaching our destination.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/cabelas/cab2.jpg)
This place is ginourmous! Perhaps I should take my GPS into the store with me?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/cabelas/cab3.jpg)
A heated squabble ensued outside between two angry patrons.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/cabelas/cab4.jpg)
EeeK!! Where the heck is the multitool dept in this big barn?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/cabelas/cab5.jpg)
Excuse me. Can any of you fellas tell me where the Leatherman tools are?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/cabelas/cab6.jpg)
How about you guys...have you seen the new camo TTi?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/cabelas/cab7.jpg)
HEY, back off man! I don't want your dead musk ox, I just want to know where the multitool aisle is!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/cabelas/cab8.jpg)
Some of the store staff seemed rather grumpy, and they weren't very helpful.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/cabelas/cab9.jpg)
I didn't even bother to ask the big guy in the archery department.
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Holy crap! Almost $400 for a flashlight?! I'm surprised 665ae didn't buy this thing when he was here last weekend.......
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/cabelas/cab12.jpg)
The fabled Shrine of the Leathermen.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/cabelas/cab13.jpg)
Ahhhh, the holy grail at last!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/cabelas/cab14.jpg)
Uh-oh, now I've got to remember how to get back out of here!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/cabelas/cab15.jpg)
Next stop, the United Kingdom!
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Nice tour!
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Thanks so very much Bob! :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Hmm looking at those pics, am I correct in thinking it doesnt come with any sort of sheath, nor any extra bits? Thats something I overlooked, but maybe itd be better to buy those in the states, even buying over Ebay i am thinking will be more expensive. I had kind of assumed they would be included in the $129.99 price tag, they don't really say on the cabela's website although they do include a misleading picture of a sheath with a TTI in it :-\
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Bob they are amazing pics :) Thats one crazy shop :o How I wish I had something like that near me .
Dunc
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If you had something like that near you Dunc, we'd never see you here and there would be lots of drowned people! :P
Def
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If you had something like that near you Dunc, we'd never see you here and there would be lots of drowned people! :P
Def
Yeah but I'd have lots of multitools ;)
Dunc
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Maybe, but you'd still only carry a SwissTool!
Def
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Thats true ;)
Dunc
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I'd bet companies would pay a fortune for an endorsement like that...
Maybe we should contact Victorinox and see if they'd sponsor Palling Rescue? :grin: I'd bet Gerber would- you guys would look great in one of their ads!
Def
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:o
Def
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We'd end up with loads of great kit :)
I like the look of that camo charge , but I really like the Tiger stripped Sog.
raukodur please post lots of pics when you get it .
Dunc
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of course :grin: lots and lots and lots with my konica minolta dimage z5. It is a shame I wont be able to review it since i dont have anywhere near enough knowledge about multitools, nor own many others at all.
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Nothing wrong with that at all. In fact, that would probably be a better review than many of us could write because it would would be about that tool, not how it compares to other tools. An unbiased, unjaded point of view.
If you are up for it, I know I'd love to read it!
Def
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Well i'd be up for it, but I wouldnt really know how to go about it, I'd need some tips on what exactly I need to comment on, and ways in which I can test the tool without 'really testing it' if you know what I mean in that I wouldnt want to be coming anywhere near to the threshold of tool damage, for obvious reasons :)
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Hmm looking at those pics, am I correct in thinking it doesnt come with any sort of sheath, nor any extra bits? Thats something I overlooked, but maybe itd be better to buy those in the states, even buying over Ebay i am thinking will be more expensive. I had kind of assumed they would be included in the $129.99 price tag, they don't really say on the cabela's website although they do include a misleading picture of a sheath with a TTI in it :-\
Lots of goodies included, but they are on the backside of the clam pack where you cannot see them in the picture. Looks like a fancy camoflage-colored sheath, capable of either vertical or horizontal carry. Also a set of flat hex bits in a bit kit carrier. And a detachable lanyard ring and a detachable belt clip, both with black oxide finish.
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I don't believe in torture testing tools. My theory is that most folks are buying a tool to use it, and identifying the strong points and weak points is what gives the potential buyer a good idea of whether that's the right tool for them.
For example, you were going back and forth over whether to spend extra for the "paint job." With little other information, you decided to go for it since you liked it. Now imagine if you'd read a review where someone said that the camo design was painted on with watercolors and rubbed off on your hand, you probably wouldn't have bought it, right? At least, not paid extra for a design that wouldn't last. On the other hand, if someone has used and carried it every day for several years and it turns out that the design is hard anodized on (I know that's not possible, just tossing examples!) and is virtually indestructable, then you'd feel better spending the extra money.
The long and the short is that most folks want to buy a good tool, and one that will fit their day to ay needs. A review is just what you thought of it in your daily life and daily use. If it's uncomfortable, that's what we want to know... if it fits nicely on your belt and isn't noticeable to most folks, that's what we want to know! If I told you what to say about it, then it wouldn't be "your review" now would it? :P
But watch out- it seems Bob has already opened and played with it!
Def
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Hehe, ok, I guess once I recieve it and start using it i'll make notes of things i like and dislike, and eventually compile everything as a review.
Also, great news about the extras with the tool, I was getting kind of worried that it might not even come with a sheath!
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But watch out- it seems Bob has already opened and played with it!
Def
The temptation has indeed been ferocious, but so far it is still sealed in the clam pack.
I had better ship it out to raukodur soon though, as I have been known to have weak moments occasionally.... >:D
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of course :grin: lots and lots and lots with my konica minolta dimage z5. It is a shame I wont be able to review it since i dont have anywhere near enough knowledge about multitools, nor own many others at all.
Its how it is and feels in your opinion we want to hear. You know what you expected, does it come up to your expectations, does it do what you wanted it to? That's all we need for a review, no knowledge needed, just your experience with it. ;)
Just go for it.
Dave
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For raukodur's sake, we all need to gather 'round and say a little prayer to the Shipping Gods. (perhaps a small sacrifice would be in order?) His camo TTi is in their hands now, or more specifically, the USPS Global Express service's hands.
The gal at the counter said it will arrive in 4 to 6 days. Let us know when you get it raukodur! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/smileys/multi-toolsmilee.gif)
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Thank you very much for all your help Bob, I will definately put up some photos as soon as I get the TTI (hopefully very soon without having to pay any more).
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Thargor and me are curious about that $400 SureFire seen at Cabelas. I moved the post over to the Flashlight Forum here:
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,1042.0.html
~Bob
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Unfortunately I may not get the TTI by tuesday at the earliest due to easter weekend, day 4 (of the 4-6 day shipping) lies on good friday, day 5 on saturday, and day 6 on easter monday. Dang. Ah well, really hope its worth the wait, hearing all these stories of LMs that seemed to have slipped past LMs QC make me worried!
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Ah dammit, I forgot about Easter, I probably wont get my Swisstool and Charge TTI until next Tuesday now :-[
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Thanks for reminding me about Monday holiday. I'd better get these bills in the mail.
Tom
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hmm was just checking the royal mail website, and it seems like only friday and monday are holidays, so maybe the post will arrive on saturday, hope my TTI is in it.
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I hate it when the mailbox is empty. :(
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so do I :(
Seems Im going to have to wait until tuesday, hope its in the post then. Was really hoping it would arrive today, bummer.
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Irish Post let me down aswell, never has a long weekend seemed so long :angry:
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You've all heard that rubbish about "Patience is a Virtue" and "All Good Things Come to Those Who Wait" haven't you? Whoever it was that said that obviously did NOT have new multitools coming in the mail!! :-\
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We should make some kind of big general multitool celebration thread next Tuesday because the waiting has ruined the first half of my holidays to be honest.
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smurf POST where the :angry: is my :multi: :twak:
Was really expecting it today, so dissappointed when the postman delivered his usual crap and left.
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Oh bummer. :(
I'm hoping there is no cause for concern....
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Thats one of the reasons for the frustration, if I knew it was simply a matter o it arriving tomorrow rather than today, it would just be a matter of patience, but every day it doesnt arrive makes me worry whether its gotten lost or any other problem has cropped up. God willing itll arrive tomorrow, but there isnt much more than can be done apart from waiting.
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I do not think you need worry. You can not expect the Royal Mail to deliver anything as heavy as a multi-tool after a holiday as well as all the ruddy junk mail that has built up with them being off?
Give them a couple of days to rid of the back log of the important crap (that's were they get their money these days) then they will get back to normal peoples post.
Dave
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Yeah I sincerely hope thats the case. Just be a big relief when it finally arrives.
Thargor, were you lucky enough to get your tools today? judging by lack of posts on your part I'm guessing yes, you must be busy playing with them...
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Yep :D
Well I got the TTI, the Swisstool didn't arrive yet, hopefully tomorrow, I had a load of things to do today so I didnt really get a chance to try it out but it really is a beautiful piece of equipment, cant wait to get home and test it out properly, 3 more hours :D
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THANK GOD! Arrived today morning, thank you very much Bob (J-Sews) for all your help, we can sort out how I can pay you for the postage of this thing now. I will post some pictures of it this afternoon or evening hopefully, and start writing up some first impressions. Looks stunning. Lets see if it performs as well, or is as well built!
Edit: have posted a first impressions review and photos in the review board.
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Whew!! Thank goodness it finally arrived! I was starting to get a bit nervous......you would think a package could get halfway around the world in less than a week these days. (Including the holiday weekend, transfer between the postal network of two different countries, not to mention customs, etc.)
Hehe, just being a bit sarcastic there...guess I was never really known for my patience. :D
~Bob
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Hi guys.
first post here and i want to buy the Seclusion 3D® TTi and I want to know if its blade ant titamium handles are the same as the original TTi?
Thanks.
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I think that for the most part the design is identical to the original Charge series.
Welcome to Multitool.org!
Def
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Hi guys.
first post here and i want to buy the Seclusion 3D® TTi and I want to know if its blade ant titamium handles are the same as the original TTi?
Thanks.
Howdy ClayMan!
The titanium handle scales on the TTi are identical to those of the original Charge Ti and XTi. However, those original Charges had a premium CM154 knife blade, while the new TTi gets an even premiumer* S30V blade.
* although the premiumness of these exotic steel blades has been the subject of some debate elsewhere in the forums!
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Hi guys.
first post here and i want to buy the Seclusion 3D® TTi and I want to know if its blade ant titamium handles are the same as the original TTi?
Thanks.
Howdy ClayMan!
The titanium handle scales on the TTi are identical to those of the original Charge Ti and XTi. However, those original Charges had a premium CM154 knife blade, while the new TTi gets an even premiumer* S30V blade.
* although the premiumness of these exotic steel blades has been the subject of some debate elsewhere in the forums!
thanks for the reply but my question was if the "black" TTI is the same as the silver one (they both use S30V?)?
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I bought the camo handles black TTi, the blad on it says S30V, so Im assuming its the same blade.
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final questions here, does it come with the camo leather sheath or just the black regular leather sheath?.
and does any one have any copun codes or something to make the deal cheaper?
thanks.
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comes with a camo nylon sheath, looks quite nice.
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thanks for the reply but my question was if the "black" TTI is the same as the silver one (they both use S30V?)?
Oops, how embarrassing. :-[ Maybe someday I will learn to read more carefully!
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.....and does any one have any copun codes or something to make the deal cheaper?
Once in a great while Cabela's will offer discounts, usually only to previous mailorder customers that have purchased a certain amount of merchandise from them in the past year.
Unfortunately, I'm not one of them. :-\
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Wow, after reading all that and seeing the cabela's store photos I want to buy a new tool.
Great post, story and photos. Glad it had a happy ending. :)