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Title: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: FolderBeholder on May 24, 2018, 03:33:16 AM: Does anyone have some information on this 58mm Midnight Messenger?
It was gifted to me from member Boonies to add to my boxed collection of small Victorinox, thank you Boonies!!! :tu: :salute: :cheers:
I didn't see it listed in the SAKWiki. It has the tools of a Midnite Manager with red LED.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/973/41407707955_cd29bb7e6c.jpg)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/948/41407707915_1e99a3d77e.jpg)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/982/27440341567_bc50b11ed2.jpg)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/969/27440341577_a4c744035e.jpg)
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnite Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on May 24, 2018, 03:37:33 AM: The SAK itself is a Midnite Manager... Essentially a Rambler with pen and light... Or a Manager with Light...

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Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnite Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: FolderBeholder on May 24, 2018, 06:13:34 AM: Quote from: jaya_man on May 24, 2018, 03:37:33 AM
The SAK itself is a Midnite Manager
jaya_man, do you think it should be added to the Manager page, that one version of it is called a Midnight Messenger?
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: Thunderpants on May 24, 2018, 11:37:33 AM: I like the leather case and key ring!
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: VICMAN on May 24, 2018, 11:55:02 AM: Quote from: FolderBeholder on May 24, 2018, 03:33:16 AM
Does anyone have some information on this 58mm Midnight Messenger?
It has the tools of a Midnite Manager with red LED.

Nice Midnight Messenger FB! :like: :tu: :tu:

Cool key fob too! :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnite Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: pfrsantos on May 24, 2018, 12:06:11 PM: Quote from: jaya_man on May 24, 2018, 03:37:33 AM
The SAK itself is a Midnite Manager... Essentially a Rambler with pen and light... Or a Manager with Light...

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Maybe they call it Messenger because of the Celidor scales? My Manager has translucent scales.

:think: :think:
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on May 24, 2018, 01:39:50 PM: Maybe it's just a typo?
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: FolderBeholder on May 24, 2018, 04:01:26 PM: Quote from: Thunderpants on May 24, 2018, 11:37:33 AM
I like the leather case and key ring!
Thanks TP! :tu:
Quote from: VICMAN on May 24, 2018, 11:55:02 AM
Nice Midnight Messenger FB! :like: :tu: :tu:
Cool key fob too! :cheers: :cheers:
Thanks Vicman! :cheers:
Quote from: pfrsantos on May 24, 2018, 12:06:11 PM
Maybe they call it Messenger because of the Celidor scales? My Manager has translucent scales.
:think: :think:
Thank you. That is a possibility, :think:
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: FolderBeholder on May 24, 2018, 04:03:45 PM: Quote from: LeaF on May 24, 2018, 01:39:50 PM
Maybe it's just a typo?
Possibly, but they broke convention and spelled Midnight correctly. :tu:
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: Aloha on May 24, 2018, 04:09:31 PM: Is this something that was actually put out by Victorinox? Reason I ask is the leather fob is something I have and one recently shown by a member. The fob is made in China on mine and the members, is yours also made in china? Does Vic have items made elsehere? The part number as far I can find shows up as a night watch man.
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: FolderBeholder on May 24, 2018, 04:20:33 PM: Quote from: Aloha007 on May 24, 2018, 04:09:31 PM
Is this something that was actually put out by Victorinox? Reason I ask is the leather fob is something I have and one recently shown by a member. The fob is made in China on mine and the members, is yours also made in china? Does Vic have items made elsehere? The part number as far I can find shows up as a night watch man.
I think they have some leather items stitched in Turkey, this is the second leather Victorinox/Wenger item I've had from there:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/977/28450255658_80a2eb85dd.jpg)[/url]
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Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on May 24, 2018, 04:31:41 PM: Quote from: FolderBeholder on May 24, 2018, 04:03:45 PM
Quote from: LeaF on May 24, 2018, 01:39:50 PM
Maybe it's just a typo?
Possibly, but they broke convention and spelled Midnight correctly. :tu:
Another idea - it was done by SAB (they often gave new names for existing models..) :ahhh
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: FolderBeholder on May 24, 2018, 04:44:08 PM: Quote from: LeaF on May 24, 2018, 04:31:41 PM
Quote from: FolderBeholder on May 24, 2018, 04:03:45 PM
Quote from: LeaF on May 24, 2018, 01:39:50 PM
Maybe it's just a typo?
Possibly, but they broke convention and spelled Midnight correctly. :tu:
Another idea - it was done by SAB (they often gave new names for existing models..) :ahhh
What is SAB?

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Title: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on May 24, 2018, 04:49:34 PM: Quote from: FolderBeholder on May 24, 2018, 06:13:34 AM
Quote from: jaya_man on May 24, 2018, 03:37:33 AM
The SAK itself is a Midnite Manager
jaya_man, do you think it should be added to the Manager page, that one version of it is called a Midnight Messenger?

Personally, I think it needs to be clarified first... but will leave it with Huntsman, Leaf and the rest of the SAKWiki team to decide...

Just like Leaf, I think this might be some error on Swiss Army Brands (SAB) part... just my hunch though... no hard facts to back it up... I think the SAK itself was sold by SAB as Midnite Manager... but no info available on this particular set...

SAB did at one time market another SAK, Explorer, as the Yeoman... Hence the Yeoman Conspiracy...

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Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on May 24, 2018, 04:58:07 PM: Quote from: jaya_man on May 24, 2018, 04:49:34 PM
SAB did at one time market another SAK, Explorer, as the Yeoman... Hence the Yeoman Conspiracy...

BSA Huntsman.. (In fact - Fieldmaster) (https://leaf-vics.com/2017/08/589-huntsman-bsa.html). If I'm not mistaken - also was released by SAB.
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on May 24, 2018, 05:08:35 PM: Just looking in details, FB’s particular model wasn’t distributed by SAB... but by TRG... ahhh, the plot thickens :lol:

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Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on May 24, 2018, 05:14:07 PM: Swissarmy.com is owned by SAB to my understanding... But TRG accessories makes Victorinox luggages on license... Here’s some info...

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/08/05/swiss-victorinox-buys-trg-accessories-from-centric.html

This further leads me to think that TRG doesn’t know SAKs well... Hence the typo?

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Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: FolderBeholder on May 24, 2018, 06:30:49 PM: You all are good at this sleuthing stuff! :cheers:
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: Aloha on May 24, 2018, 07:27:33 PM: Very interesting. Turkey :think: Ok. Great little 58mm set btw
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: FolderBeholder on May 24, 2018, 08:04:42 PM: Quote from: Aloha007 on May 24, 2018, 07:27:33 PM
Great little 58mm set btw
Thank you Aloha! :cheers:
I also wanted to show that this case has no embossing on the back:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/960/41604834084_bd49b892c5.jpg)
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: FolderBeholder on March 07, 2020, 03:29:26 PM: Just added a Midnite Messenger II to my collection. Box was a teething toy for a puppy, but at least the label is intact.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49630732322_1e65c3afd6.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49630462266_f700c228e3.jpg)
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: 39hotrod on March 07, 2020, 03:49:49 PM: :like:
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: Barry Rowland on March 07, 2020, 03:58:23 PM: Very nice Lisa!! I'm just beginning my journey down the 58mm Spider hole :ahhh
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: FolderBeholder on March 07, 2020, 05:36:48 PM: Quote from: 39hotrod on March 07, 2020, 03:49:49 PM
:like:
Thank you 39! :cheers:
Quote from: Barry Rowland on March 07, 2020, 03:58:23 PM
Very nice Lisa!! I'm just beginning my journey down the 58mm Spider hole :ahhh
Proceed with caution my friend. :D :cheers:
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: VICMAN on March 07, 2020, 07:57:09 PM: Quote from: FolderBeholder on March 07, 2020, 03:29:26 PM
Just added a Midnite Messenger II to my collection. Box was a teething toy for a puppy, but at least the label is intact.

Cool find FB! :like: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: Barry Rowland on March 07, 2020, 10:40:09 PM: :rofl: :D
Quote from: FolderBeholder on March 07, 2020, 05:36:48 PM
Thank you 39! :cheers:Proceed with caution my friend. :D :cheers:
Title: Re: I didn't see this 58mm Midnight Messenger in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on May 24, 2020, 03:34:38 PM: Just come across this FB and team.

Just to be clear FB - So you have two separate 'Mindnight Messengers' - One is actually a Midnight Manager - and the other is a MiniChamp :pok: :twak:

I was leaning towards putting the Messenger into the Midnight Manager page
- Especially as we have the pics - And it looks like a SABI special (or cock-up!!) - We can always add suitable wording disclaimers around it

As pointed out above importers did often do odd things with names and SABI were one of the worst I fear!

As for the MiniChamp ...... oh boy :think: