Post by: Accujohn on October 22, 2011, 05:12:16 AM
Post by: David on October 22, 2011, 08:57:39 AM
Post by: Chako on October 22, 2011, 02:09:19 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Album%202/SAM_1125small.jpg)
Post by: joebw on October 22, 2011, 06:39:09 PM
Ive got two Wingman tools anfd three Sidekick. One of the Sidekicks is signed by Tim Leatherman to me.
Thanks - Joe
Post by: Flying Dutchman on October 23, 2011, 07:36:22 AM
Post by: Agent X68 on October 23, 2011, 05:02:55 PM
Post by: Randyc1974 on October 24, 2011, 01:29:30 AM
Post by: New_World on October 24, 2011, 03:44:05 AM
great tool !
Post by: Crouton on October 24, 2011, 04:16:42 AM
Now I need a sidekick so I can swap the plain edge blade in. I really, really, really dislike combo edge blades.
Post by: New_World on October 24, 2011, 06:21:38 AM
I think the Wingman is excellent, in fact it is almost ready to be my alternate (pocket carry) EDC. The only thing I don't like about is the combo edge blade.
Now I need a sidekick so I can swap the plain edge blade in. I really, really, really dislike combo edge blades.
+1 :cheers:
still i can bash the sidekick for the combo edge....but I wish for an all plain
Post by: kd8fre on October 26, 2011, 01:41:51 AM
Russ
Post by: 1jump2many on October 26, 2011, 05:58:32 AM
Post by: bordercollie6 on October 28, 2011, 09:14:50 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on October 28, 2011, 10:10:09 PM
Post by: 1jump2many on October 28, 2011, 11:19:48 PM
While I am not overly impressed from my first impressions if it performs well I think we have a winner. :tu:
Really? Even for $25? I got the Sidekick too but had to order it online and it cost $45. I'm not impressed by the wood saw on the Sidekick but really like the scissors on the Wingman. If I could have bought the Sidekick for $25 I would be more impressed with it. But for me, the tool lineup and price of the Wingman is impressive. :tu:
Post by: jerseydevil on October 28, 2011, 11:31:48 PM
Post by: Mike 56 on October 28, 2011, 11:34:19 PM
Mike
Post by: BIG-TARGET on October 30, 2011, 02:27:36 AM
Post by: Accujohn on October 30, 2011, 03:09:04 AM
Post by: Tsquare on October 30, 2011, 05:58:19 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on October 30, 2011, 09:30:11 AM
I have one sidekick and 10 wingman(got carried away at Home Depot).
10 Wingman's. :o :o :o
Post by: New_World on October 31, 2011, 01:35:54 AM
I have one sidekick and 10 wingman(got carried away at Home Depot).
10 Wingman's. :o :o :o
10 is a lot...but not too many. :cheers: lol
Post by: captain spaulding on October 31, 2011, 01:56:33 AM
I have one sidekick and 10 wingman(got carried away at Home Depot).
10 Wingman's. :o :o :o
10 is a lot...but not too many. :cheers: lol
Definitely not to many. :D I currently have two and gifted one yesterday. I honestly cant believe how much it has grown on me. I bought it expecting to hate it, but it is actually quite the opposite. :think:
Post by: 1jump2many on October 31, 2011, 05:30:14 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on October 31, 2011, 05:59:29 PM
Is it just me or does it seem that the Wingman is more popular than the Sidekick? :think: It is for me because of the scissors over the wood saw. I also like the package opener. I think the $25 price point might have something to do with it too.
I think more people want the scissors as well as the price tag has something to do with it. I also wonder why Home Depot only carries the Wingman at the moment.
Post by: airballrad on October 31, 2011, 06:18:19 PM
I also wonder why Home Depot only carries the Wingman at the moment.For the same reason they always carried the Kick but not the Fuse; they probably don't move a whole lot of multitools and so they just want to have one high-end option and one low-end the option. So it was Kick and Wave, soon to be Wingman and Wave.
Oh, I'm in too. I picked mine up a couple weeks ago, and got another over the weekend. That one went to a co-worker who is a fellow Eagle Scout, just got married, and did not own a multitool. Good occasion to correct that.
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7765163/Wingman.jpg)
Post by: Mike 56 on October 31, 2011, 06:32:14 PM
Mike
Post by: Tsquare on November 01, 2011, 04:48:08 AM
Post by: jzmtl on November 01, 2011, 06:18:13 AM
Is it just me or does it seem that the Wingman is more popular than the Sidekick? :think: It is for me because of the scissors over the wood saw. I also like the package opener. I think the $25 price point might have something to do with it too.
I think more people want the scissors as well as the price tag has something to do with it. I also wonder why Home Depot only carries the Wingman at the moment.
Yep the price is the big reason. Locally it's $25 vs $38, and I just don't care for the carabiner and pouch enough to pay $13 for them.
Post by: Beerplumber on November 01, 2011, 05:14:29 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on November 02, 2011, 02:19:49 AM
Okay home slices I'm in with the wingman. My GF saw it and didn't believe it only cost $25. I read a post about somebody saying the hard wire cutter is poop but from what I can see its not meant to be a hard wire cutter. I really like it and I won't cry if I lose it.Amen brother. For $25, use it, kill it, and but another one. I'm loving the Wingman so far.
Post by: 1jump2many on November 02, 2011, 04:41:38 AM
Post by: Sean on November 02, 2011, 06:50:14 AM
Post by: Accujohn on November 02, 2011, 07:15:07 AM
Post by: 1jump2many on November 02, 2011, 02:31:46 PM
What do you not like about the saw?
I don't use wood saws on MT's. They are too small to be practical, for me. I'm sure others have different opinions. When I'm out in the great outdoors I take a Sven Saw with me. I guess in a pinch they could be useful but as far as using one as a primary saw, I wouldn't. For me, the scissors on the Wingman are much more useful than the small wood saw. :think:
Post by: Sean on November 02, 2011, 04:35:43 PM
tools with saws to any great extent. They are small but I've found cut quite well for
very small tasks I've tackled in the past.
I'll check out your Sven saw and see what it's all about as I carry a Coughlan's folding
saw and just love it when heading out stick hunting. :)
Post by: kirk13 on November 02, 2011, 11:26:51 PM
I've traded my Wingman for a PST2!And sorry guys,I think I got the good end of the trade :ahhh :ahhh
Post by: 1jump2many on November 03, 2011, 12:08:12 AM
Ok, fair enough. I just wanted to make sure they hadn't changed them from the other
tools with saws to any great extent. They are small but I've found cut quite well for
very small tasks I've tackled in the past.
I'll check out your Sven saw and see what it's all about as I carry a Coughlan's folding
saw and just love it when heading out stick hunting. :)
Yeah, I also have a Bahco Laplander folding saw. I like it as much as the Sven.
Post by: Sean on November 03, 2011, 02:03:17 AM
wood saplings mostly and they seem to cut faster with very aggressive teeth and the Bahco
I was looking at had more of a finer tooth pattern.
Post by: Beerplumber on November 03, 2011, 10:37:41 PM
And in a change from the advertised programming....I'm Out!you sure did! That's a $26 PST2! Sweet deal but you'll be back... they always come back...
I've traded my Wingman for a PST2!And sorry guys,I think I got the good end of the trade :ahhh :ahhh
Post by: Accujohn on November 03, 2011, 10:50:28 PM
1. The clamshell opener which is a tool i dont have. It works great and sharpens easily.
2. I prefer the scissors to the saw because i already have that covered a few times over.
Wingman is easily the best deal for me. I like the pouch and carabiner but the wingman tool itself seems more useful.
Post by: 1jump2many on November 03, 2011, 10:59:49 PM
Post by: angusW on November 04, 2011, 12:21:35 AM
Post by: Accujohn on November 04, 2011, 03:31:28 AM
Post by: angusW on November 04, 2011, 03:54:59 PM
Despite my previous opinion on the wingman edging out the sidekick on usefulness and value, i did however modify my wingman for edc.
What did you do to your's?
Post by: Accujohn on November 04, 2011, 09:28:32 PM
Post by: Marlinaholic on November 06, 2011, 04:27:28 AM
Post by: Dunc on November 07, 2011, 01:26:19 PM
Post by: Accujohn on November 07, 2011, 06:55:40 PM
Post by: MTguy on November 08, 2011, 02:19:52 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on November 08, 2011, 04:48:48 AM
How are the pliers bearing up , anyone noticed any play in the jaws developing ?There was/is a tiny bit of play even when brand new, but it hasn't increased at all, and I used the crap out of my Wingman over the past week.
Post by: Dunc on November 15, 2011, 12:26:59 PM
Powernoodle did mention the scissors on his didn't lock open very well . I've noticed on mine they don't lock open if the scissors jaws are shut . If you open them up as you deploy them then there is no problem . I did find that things have a tendency to slip out of the jaws as your cutting . I'm not sure if this is down to the angle of grind :think: but they didn't like plastic wire ties :( Paper and all the usual materials are not a problem though :)
All in all both tools get the thumbs up from me :tu: and I'm going to stand the Wave down for a bit and see how I get on with these .
Post by: airballrad on November 15, 2011, 07:20:04 PM
Post by: Mike 208 on November 16, 2011, 07:20:08 AM
Post by: Accujohn on November 16, 2011, 07:47:06 AM
Post by: Vladimir on November 26, 2011, 10:23:57 AM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/25g88qw.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2qxqazt.jpg)
Post by: joea on November 27, 2011, 12:56:21 AM
Post by: Accujohn on November 27, 2011, 02:56:38 AM
Has anyone found a date stamp on their Wingmans or Sidekicks?
I think I looked and couldnt find one
Post by: MultiMat on November 27, 2011, 08:36:46 AM
Has anyone found a date stamp on their Wingmans or Sidekicks?
When we were at the factory tour they mentioned date stamps were going to be put onto both the Sidekick & Wingman. As to when this is going to happen :think: :think.
Post by: Dunc on November 27, 2011, 10:06:57 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on November 27, 2011, 05:14:56 PM
So we all have pre date code models :multi:
Just what I was thinking. :tu:
Post by: fespo276 on November 28, 2011, 11:59:08 PM
Post by: tholiver on December 03, 2011, 06:46:47 AM
Or next to a Victorinox Spirit?
I wish they had managed to shoehorn scissors AND a saw into one of these new Leathermans.
I could probably live without the saw but would still prefer to have it along with the scissors.
Post by: Blackbeard on December 06, 2011, 02:13:27 AM
Post by: TangoDown on December 07, 2011, 10:04:08 PM
Post by: rayraychil on December 12, 2011, 01:18:38 PM
I treated both to there own special lanyard to mark there arrival in the UK.
Post by: Adam Clark on December 13, 2011, 04:39:59 AM
Post by: Adam Clark on December 15, 2011, 05:40:54 AM
I personally love a saw on an mt...... it works great with making trap snare triggers when you're in the bush.
Gotta have 'em!
Post by: New_World on December 15, 2011, 10:18:09 AM
I am in got both from buddies on the other side of the pond so am grateful for there help saved me a fortune compared with prices here in the UK.
I treated both to there own special lanyard to mark there arrival in the UK.
nice pics of the sidekick.
love the paracords
Post by: Adam Clark on December 15, 2011, 08:05:01 PM
Here we are jamming out, hahahaaa!
Post by: Adam Clark on December 15, 2011, 11:04:08 PM
I am in got both from buddies on the other side of the pond so am grateful for there help saved me a fortune compared with prices here in the UK.
I treated both to there own special lanyard to mark there arrival in the UK.
Awesome lanyards!!! And they're even in the LEATHERMAN colors too :tu:
Post by: Tsquare on December 15, 2011, 11:16:36 PM
Post by: Adam Clark on December 16, 2011, 12:03:17 AM
I saw a mod on youtube where someone put a prybar where the saw was on a sidekick and put scissors like the fuse has on the inside as well as the eyeglass screwdriver too. The scissors had to be modified just slightly but it worked.
Do you have a link for the video?????? :drool:
Post by: rayraychil on December 16, 2011, 03:31:59 PM
I like to challenge myself when it come to lanyard making they were an idea I had for a while and they finally turned out just right.
I will keep playing with the para cord and experimenting too.
Post by: joea on December 16, 2011, 09:57:27 PM
Post by: 5hif7y on December 16, 2011, 10:00:24 PM
Post by: Tsquare on December 17, 2011, 05:47:30 PM
Leatherman Sidekick modified (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV9-8yubEMY#ws)
Post by: Potassium Hydroxide on December 17, 2011, 07:59:38 PM
Post by: Adam Clark on December 17, 2011, 08:42:39 PM
Here is the link for the modified sidekick video.
Leatherman Sidekick modified (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV9-8yubEMY#ws)
I love the pry bar! Great idea.
Post by: Adam Clark on December 17, 2011, 08:46:31 PM
I think it would have been better if the modder left the clip on the plier side of the tool. It makes it less likely to open in the pocket.
One decent thing about the Sidekick/Wingman mt's are when you close the tool, it stays closed very well. It's almost like a spring is working against it when you start to open it.
When it's closed, if you open it up a little bit and let it go, the handles will snap back together really fast....... very similar to how the little Micra works when closed :)
Post by: Dunc on December 18, 2011, 06:32:19 PM
Post by: hansthebear on December 18, 2011, 10:26:59 PM
going to try the wingman at work this week. i also think i will swap the blades over to give plain edge on the wingman.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y130/hansthebear/IMG_20111218_210902.jpg)
Post by: pointsky on December 20, 2011, 01:35:14 AM
just received the sidekick today, so far i'm impressed with the quality, I guess now I pretty much have to get wingman.
Post by: Nikos on December 20, 2011, 04:33:42 AM
hey guys, long time reader first time posterYes, that's only natural. Of course, you'll have to get a Wave after that, and a Charge... and a Skeletool for the "lighter" days... oh and a Juice or two, and another couple of Squirts... oh and don't forget to pick up a Fuse and a Mut...
just received the sidekick today, so far i'm impressed with the quality, I guess now I pretty much have to get wingman.
... see ya when your credit card is maxed out... :D
Welcome aboard mate. :cheers:
Post by: genewiseman on December 21, 2011, 04:21:21 AM
Post by: FishStalker on December 22, 2011, 07:09:09 AM
Post by: genewiseman on December 22, 2011, 11:47:15 AM
Post by: 5hif7y on December 27, 2011, 11:31:34 PM
is this common with the wingman and sidekick?
cheers
Post by: Mike 208 on December 28, 2011, 04:49:19 AM
Post by: 5hif7y on December 28, 2011, 11:42:59 AM
After a closer inspection it looks like it would be possible too bend the part of the clip that goes inside the tool, in a way that pulls it down and limits its movement. I can't fink of a better way to explain it. Does anyone understand what I mean ?
Post by: New_World on December 28, 2011, 08:05:04 PM
you could take the clip off and bend it inward if it was bent.
Post by: Swiss Man on December 31, 2011, 04:26:53 PM
It a "rattlesnake" for an envelope my wife wanted one for her friends Cmas gift.
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Post by: Swiss Man on December 31, 2011, 04:31:02 PM
I am actually looking for other forums
to join.
Any suggestions?
THANKS DEF it was worth the money.
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Post by: misscase530 on January 01, 2012, 09:32:16 PM
Post by: MTguy on January 02, 2012, 11:22:12 PM
(http://oi41.tinypic.com/30vktwm.jpg)
Post by: MultiMat on January 07, 2012, 08:25:57 AM
A great low risk(financially)purchase that gets customers through the door so to speak. 8) 8).
Me I have a Tenacious & find myself eyeing off a Carbon Fibre Sage :ahhh :D :D
Post by: Dunc on January 07, 2012, 11:04:03 AM
Post by: Rollo on February 04, 2012, 04:07:21 AM
Post by: Vladimir on February 04, 2012, 04:10:30 PM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2z3nn86.jpg)
Post by: Thisjk38 on February 12, 2012, 11:45:33 AM
I really dislike the the scissors on my wave, and the fact i have to open the tool to get to them. I edc a style cs which I believe have the best scissors of any LM product I've used. I want to edc the wingman and I want to keep my wave in my jeep or carry when camping. Since I really dont need the scissors on the wingman due to the style, I'm thinking of swapping the file on the wave for the scissors on my wingman. I love the idea of scissors on the exterior of the wave, and the diamond file is my favorite tool on it. I would love to edc the file on my wingman. Do you guys think this mod is possible?
Post by: GSterling on May 02, 2012, 01:19:19 AM
i have a sidekick :multi:
can i join the club ? :whistle:
Post by: Mercury on May 02, 2012, 02:11:10 PM
Just picked up the Wingman and I love it. The blade is razor sharp, and I was able to shave my arm with it. Surprisingly my favorite tool on it, is the package open. I don't know why but I have fun with the little thing. Here is an idea I have and please let me know if you think it will work.
I really dislike the the scissors on my wave, and the fact i have to open the tool to get to them. I edc a style cs which I believe have the best scissors of any LM product I've used. I want to edc the wingman and I want to keep my wave in my jeep or carry when camping. Since I really dont need the scissors on the wingman due to the style, I'm thinking of swapping the file on the wave for the scissors on my wingman. I love the idea of scissors on the exterior of the wave, and the diamond file is my favorite tool on it. I would love to edc the file on my wingman. Do you guys think this mod is possible?
I don't see a way to install the scissors in your Wave's file pocket without having to remove the thumb pad.
i am a new member to :MTO:
i have a sidekick :multi:
can i join the club ? :whistle:
Welcome!!
Post by: Lynn LeFey on May 03, 2012, 01:14:01 AM
Overall, for the price, the Wingman is a pretty good tool. As blade and scissors are the two tools I use most often, it's selection and placement of tools is pretty nice.
Post by: wproct on May 03, 2012, 04:12:53 AM
Post by: jwh on May 29, 2012, 03:54:26 AM
jwh
Post by: dumluk on May 29, 2012, 07:35:17 PM
I like this inexpensive little tool so far. However, I need to tune up the blade a bit. There are some burrs on the back side of the serrations that need attention. I like how you can poke the alternate tools from the backside, if your nails are not long enough to get under the little notches for deploying.
Post by: jwh on May 29, 2012, 08:17:07 PM
Just got a Wingman today, can I join the club?
I like how you can poke the alternate tools from the backside, if your nails are not long enough to get under the little notches for deploying.
Me as well. I tightened mine down to get rid of blade play so they are tough to open but your trick works well.
jwh
Post by: JimShockz on May 30, 2012, 04:00:31 PM
Just got a Wingman today, can I join the club?
I like how you can poke the alternate tools from the backside, if your nails are not long enough to get under the little notches for deploying.
Me as well. I tightened mine down to get rid of blade play so they are tough to open but your trick works well.
jwh
yes very true,I always use locktight to keep it tighter. :whistle:
-JS
Post by: wildcatmo on June 25, 2012, 06:24:39 PM
Post by: Jadaba on June 26, 2012, 01:53:41 AM
Don't get me wrong, I really like the tool. I just don't want to like it. I'm a quality snob.
Post by: Clark on July 01, 2012, 05:30:51 AM
Post by: MultiFool on October 23, 2012, 09:56:33 PM
Surprisingly, Im really liking the feel of the wingman over the wave.
The fact that the blades stick out when closed on the wave, makes it way less comfortable than the wingman. Im thinking about lego'ing the 3, into my ideal EDC MT.
I was intrigued by the 3bearnecesseties youtube video.
I am really interested in getting a bit driver in the wingman.
My question is, will I be able to fit the philips and flat head drivers from the wingman into the wave?
Id hate to have a totally useless (more expensive) tool laying around.
I sure wish LM would sell the individual pieces!!
Post by: colt 1911 on October 23, 2012, 11:11:24 PM
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Post by: SteelWing on October 23, 2012, 11:58:26 PM
Post by: redbaron on October 24, 2012, 02:59:29 AM
Post by: stealth007s on October 30, 2012, 01:05:28 AM
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Post by: MultiFool on October 30, 2012, 02:00:50 AM
Post by: New_World on October 30, 2012, 04:33:55 AM
I just noticed the Leatherman name is not stamped into the plier head. Is this the case with all Wingmans?
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its to save on cost to make the wingman as cheap as it is.
Post by: coastalchris on October 30, 2012, 09:28:50 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 18, 2013, 07:14:13 PM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 18, 2013, 07:39:05 PM
Currently, the cost of a Wingman in stores is about $30. I don't think I'd be thrilled with it at that price. I occasionally see them on sale or on-line at more like $20. At that price, they're a decent deal, IMO.
But I got the combo pack at after-Christmas reduced price of $15 for the Wingman and Style CS. That is a frikin' bargain. Even the Wingman by itself at $15 is a good deal. But the Style CS by itself is also worth every bit of $15.
Post by: colt 1911 on January 18, 2013, 07:43:58 PM
Post by: Taxi Dad on January 18, 2013, 07:56:07 PM
if only :ahhh
the weather isn't the ONLY thing we 'Brits' have to moan about :cry:
I am however a BIG fan of the wingman, i'm going to try it out with a 'vic farmer' as a double act, and i hold out high hopes.
Post by: colt 1911 on January 18, 2013, 07:59:03 PM
$15 = :drool:i don't know man, might want to go with two sak or save for a better tool.
if only :ahhh
the weather isn't the ONLY thing we 'Brits' have to moan about :cry:
I am however a BIG fan of the wingman, i'm going to try it out with a 'vic farmer' as a double act, and i hold out high hopes.
Post by: Taxi Dad on January 18, 2013, 08:03:39 PM
price is not the 'issue' i just like the wingman ! (i have 'better'/more expencive tools BTW)$15 = :drool:i don't know man, might want to go with two sak or save for a better tool.
if only :ahhh
the weather isn't the ONLY thing we 'Brits' have to moan about :cry:
I am however a BIG fan of the wingman, i'm going to try it out with a 'vic farmer' as a double act, and i hold out high hopes.
Post by: colt 1911 on January 18, 2013, 08:09:00 PM
price is not the 'issue' i just like the wingman ! (i have 'better'/more expencive tools BTW)$15 = :drool:i don't know man, might want to go with two sak or save for a better tool.
if only :ahhh
the weather isn't the ONLY thing we 'Brits' have to moan about :cry:
I am however a BIG fan of the wingman, i'm going to try it out with a 'vic farmer' as a double act, and i hold out high hopes.
That's cool i hear ya, I just can't get on board with them for some reason. The cons out way the pro's.
Post by: Taxi Dad on January 18, 2013, 08:19:29 PM
I'd make some changes, it's not 'perfect' (ie. i'd pay more for better quality) but i do like the toolset , not too much not too little and all the really important bits (for me anyway)price is not the 'issue' i just like the wingman ! (i have 'better'/more expencive tools BTW)$15 = :drool:i don't know man, might want to go with two sak or save for a better tool.
if only :ahhh
the weather isn't the ONLY thing we 'Brits' have to moan about :cry:
I am however a BIG fan of the wingman, i'm going to try it out with a 'vic farmer' as a double act, and i hold out high hopes.
That's cool i hear ya, I just can't get on board with them for some reason. The cons out way the pro's.
Post by: Nhoj on January 18, 2013, 08:23:11 PM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 18, 2013, 08:25:31 PM
Have a wingman but am mailing it out tomorrow, short membership in the club I guess
I didn't have my first one very long either. It's part of trying new stuff out. There's only so much budget, so those that aren't absolute keepers may have a short stay. I've got a couple SAKs that I got a few days ago, and think they are already likely to be destined to new homes.
Post by: Gareth on January 18, 2013, 08:25:56 PM
Post by: stealth007s on January 18, 2013, 08:28:52 PM
Have a wingman but am mailing it out tomorrow, short membership in the club I guess
Mine was short lived as well :think: Gave my Wingman & Style CS to my middle Daughter for Christmas in the stocking
Post by: Nhoj on January 18, 2013, 08:37:16 PM
Post by: 35Studio on January 18, 2013, 09:14:07 PM
Post by: hiljentaa on January 18, 2013, 11:52:50 PM
The Wingman is a great all around beater. The pocket clip is fantastic. The scissors are great. The outside accessible, OHO blade is pretty good. I don't really like the shape of it, and would prefer if it were a plain edge, but it works well enough.
Probably will pick up another Wingman to steal the scissors from to put in my Wave.
Post by: Multiple Personality on January 21, 2013, 04:43:16 AM
Post by: Gareth on January 21, 2013, 08:15:04 AM
Post by: Taxi Dad on January 21, 2013, 12:14:00 PM
I feel the same way about pretty much every combo edge TBH. :-\ The good news is that the two blades are simple to change over, IF you buy yourself a Sidekick to steal the plain blade from of course. ;)I did just that,BUT it seems a shame to end up ruining a 'half decent tool' who would want a sidekick with TWO serrated blades AND a saw ?
mine is still in the clamshell, i couldn't bring myself to do it (yet ::)) so i've 'put up with' the combo blade, and it's usable ::)
I did hit on a new plan tho ~ I have paired my wingman with a 'vic farmer' and it seems to give me a great tool set. saw, awl and a razor sharp plain blade and then the combo OHO blade on the wingman for a bit of 'hacking and slashing' :whistle:
Post by: Smaug on January 21, 2013, 06:41:03 PM
I'm not expecting miracles of quality, compared to my Surge and SwissTool, but hopefully, the drivers are adequate and the joint doesn't get loose too quickly. ;)
Should be here tomorrow.
Post by: blooper on January 24, 2013, 12:51:50 AM
Post by: stealth007s on January 25, 2013, 05:56:36 PM
been EDCing a wingman for the past month. i have a 2nd one on the way with a micra. love the package opener!
Probably the best tool LM has put out since the bit driver IMO
Post by: colt 1911 on January 26, 2013, 01:23:46 AM
Post by: THE_LONGBOW on January 26, 2013, 01:36:53 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on January 26, 2013, 01:39:15 AM
Post by: colt 1911 on January 26, 2013, 01:40:14 AM
I wish the scissors on the Wingman were spring loaded.
They have a spring, just have to make sure the scissors lock into place.
Post by: blooper on January 26, 2013, 02:07:37 AM
Well I stole the scissors and clamshell opener off my wingman and put them on the side kick. Way better edc for me.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/26/uqe8aduq.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/26/y6y6y4a2.jpg
what did you replace with the box opener?
Post by: colt 1911 on January 26, 2013, 02:12:11 AM
the small serrated blade.Well I stole the scissors and clamshell opener off my wingman and put them on the side kick. Way better edc for me.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/26/uqe8aduq.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/26/y6y6y4a2.jpg
what did you replace with the box opener?
Post by: Mud Shrimp Moe on January 26, 2013, 02:25:39 AM
Well I stole the scissors and clamshell opener off my wingman and put them on the side kick.
So .... you basically made a Sidekick into a Wingman except that it says "Sidekick" on the side and has a lanyard ring? Those are the only differences, right?
Post by: jerseydevil on January 26, 2013, 02:28:29 AM
Well I stole the scissors and clamshell opener off my wingman and put them on the side kick.
So .... you basically made a Sidekick into a Wingman except that it says "Sidekick" on the side and has a lanyard ring? Those are the only differences, right?
PE blade as well.
Post by: colt 1911 on January 26, 2013, 02:30:55 AM
Well the sidekick has a straight edge blade, not the combo like the wingman..so yes it's a sidewingWell I stole the scissors and clamshell opener off my wingman and put them on the side kick.
So .... you basically made a Sidekick into a Wingman except that it says "Sidekick" on the side and has a lanyard ring? Those are the only differences, right?
Post by: Thisjk38 on January 26, 2013, 03:36:06 AM
Well the sidekick has a straight edge blade, not the combo like the wingman..so yes it's a sidewingWell I stole the scissors and clamshell opener off my wingman and put them on the side kick.
So .... you basically made a Sidekick into a Wingman except that it says "Sidekick" on the side and has a lanyard ring? Those are the only differences, right?
Wouldn't it have been easier just to change the blades? I would have kept the SE blade and ditched that sorry file.
Post by: colt 1911 on January 26, 2013, 03:42:03 AM
I hear ya just my wingman handles wiggled really bad.Well the sidekick has a straight edge blade, not the combo like the wingman..so yes it's a sidewingWell I stole the scissors and clamshell opener off my wingman and put them on the side kick.
So .... you basically made a Sidekick into a Wingman except that it says "Sidekick" on the side and has a lanyard ring? Those are the only differences, right?
Wouldn't it have been easier just to change the blades? I would have kept the SE blade and ditched that sorry file.
Post by: Mud Shrimp Moe on January 26, 2013, 06:09:14 AM
Well I stole the scissors and clamshell opener off my wingman and put them on the side kick.
So .... you basically made a Sidekick into a Wingman except that it says "Sidekick" on the side and has a lanyard ring? Those are the only differences, right?
PE blade as well.
Right you are. My oversight.
Post by: Multiple Personality on January 26, 2013, 07:03:28 AM
Post by: blooper on January 26, 2013, 11:07:29 AM
Post by: Taxi Dad on January 26, 2013, 07:22:01 PM
http://www.heinnie.com/Sidekick/p--7028/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_15/278-3089359-6102131?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=leatherman+sidekick&sprefix=leatherman+side%2Caps%2C210
Post by: colt 1911 on January 26, 2013, 09:57:40 PM
would you pay $60 - $70 ? lol we have to >:(that sucks man !
http://www.heinnie.com/Sidekick/p--7028/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_15/278-3089359-6102131?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=leatherman+sidekick&sprefix=leatherman+side%2Caps%2C210
Post by: Taxi Dad on January 26, 2013, 10:07:21 PM
Indeed it does ! ::)would you pay $60 - $70 ? lol we have to >:(that sucks man !
http://www.heinnie.com/Sidekick/p--7028/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_15/278-3089359-6102131?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=leatherman+sidekick&sprefix=leatherman+side%2Caps%2C210
and you don't want to know how much you'd pay for a charge TTi
Post by: colt 1911 on January 27, 2013, 12:00:31 AM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/27/eda7ezy4.jpg)
Post by: Gareth on January 27, 2013, 12:35:25 AM
This is why I've not bought a MT at full UK retail for a long long time. Either buy up the occasional sale item or from folks on the forum. 8)would you pay $60 - $70 ? lol we have to >:(that sucks man !
http://www.heinnie.com/Sidekick/p--7028/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_15/278-3089359-6102131?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=leatherman+sidekick&sprefix=leatherman+side%2Caps%2C210
Post by: stealth007s on January 27, 2013, 12:40:37 AM
Post by: Gareth on January 27, 2013, 01:10:09 AM
Post by: THE_LONGBOW on January 27, 2013, 07:25:37 AM
I wish the scissors on the Wingman were spring loaded.
They have a spring, just have to make sure the scissors lock into place.
THANKS :D I have used the scissors a few times and I did not have them "locked". After your comment I pressed the scissors all the way and they clicked. The spring then engaged. Then after a few more clicks the spring now engages ever time . It was like they needed broken in.
Thanks again colt 1911 :tu:
Post by: Nikos on January 27, 2013, 10:02:58 AM
Indeed it does ! ::)would you pay $60 - $70 ? lol we have to >:(that sucks man !
http://www.heinnie.com/Sidekick/p--7028/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_15/278-3089359-6102131?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=leatherman+sidekick&sprefix=leatherman+side%2Caps%2C210
and you don't want to know how much you'd pay for a charge TTi
In that case, don't ever go shopping in the Louvre mall... I seem to remember a price in the €120-ish for the Sidecick... :ahhh
Post by: Taxi Dad on January 27, 2013, 11:58:27 AM
not sure if i should laugh or cry at that ? :o :o :oIndeed it does ! ::)would you pay $60 - $70 ? lol we have to >:(that sucks man !
http://www.heinnie.com/Sidekick/p--7028/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_15/278-3089359-6102131?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=leatherman+sidekick&sprefix=leatherman+side%2Caps%2C210
and you don't want to know how much you'd pay for a charge TTi
In that case, don't ever go shopping in the Louvre mall... I seem to remember a price in the €120-ish for the Sidecick... :ahhh
Post by: Nikos on January 27, 2013, 01:54:50 PM
Post by: colt 1911 on January 28, 2013, 10:32:13 PM
Well I stole the scissors and clamshell opener off my wingman and put them on the side kick. Way better edc for me.(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/26/uqe8aduq.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/26/y6y6y4a2.jpg)Added an awl also.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/29/9y3ezu5u.jpg)
Post by: Superchickenn on January 30, 2013, 11:19:20 AM
Well im new here.. BIG fan of multi tools and general EDC's.. :multi:
In my current owership i have . Leatherman wingman, Leatherman sidekick (so i thought its right to put my first post in this thread)
I also own (not so popular on here) Gerber suspension and Gerber bear grylls compact.
I hope to expand my collection futher and im always on the hunt for more :-)
Post by: Taxi Dad on January 30, 2013, 12:01:30 PM
you'll get some hate for those tools , but i myself have them all and they all are good places to start.Hold on to your wallet cos the only way is up :whistle:
pop over to the new members thread and introduce yourself properly, this is a great place and i'm sure you'll get lots of help/advise if you want to increase your collection, and you'll meet some friendly folks too :D
Post by: Superchickenn on January 30, 2013, 04:15:03 PM
welcome to you sir :salute:
you'll get some hate for those tools , but i myself have them all and they all are good places to start.Hold on to your wallet cos the only way is up :whistle:
pop over to the new members thread and introduce yourself properly, this is a great place and i'm sure you'll get lots of help/advise if you want to increase your collection, and you'll meet some friendly folks too :D
Thanks mate.. I will do ..
I know ive already got a fancy for a Charge TTI as my next choice.. :tool:
Post by: Gareth on January 30, 2013, 07:50:28 PM
Post by: stealth007s on January 30, 2013, 11:39:48 PM
Post by: Superchickenn on January 31, 2013, 08:12:25 PM
Already looking at a next :climber:
Post by: blooper on February 02, 2013, 10:14:17 AM
my 2nd wingman's blade liner lock is a lot softer to depress, the blade has a little play to and fro, the scissors spring is not as stiff/doesnt set the scissors as wide as my first, and when closed the bottom ends shift back and forth, making them click as they pass eachother.
my first one was really stiff when i first got it, but after some cleaning/greasing and use over time, it has gotten workable. the blade is solid, no play. and the other issues of my 2nd wingman are non-existent on my first one.
the main difference i can tell you is the way it was packaged. my first one came in a cardboard leatherman retail box. model #8311426. the 2nd one i got came in a combo-set with a micra, model #831673.
Im just wondering if some of these issues have been traced before.
i love my micra btw. sweet compact tool!
Post by: colt 1911 on February 02, 2013, 03:57:23 PM
So I picked up a 2nd wingman for a great bargain price over the week and notice some differences in quality.
my 2nd wingman's blade liner lock is a lot softer to depress, the blade has a little play to and fro, the scissors spring is not as stiff/doesnt set the scissors as wide as my first, and when closed the bottom ends shift back and forth, making them click as they pass eachother.
my first one was really stiff when i first got it, but after some cleaning/greasing and use over time, it has gotten workable. the blade is solid, no play. and the other issues of my 2nd wingman are non-existent on my first one.
the main difference i can tell you is the way it was packaged. my first one came in a cardboard leatherman retail box. model #8311426. the 2nd one i got came in a combo-set with a micra, model #831673.
Im just wondering if some of these issues have been traced before.
i love my micra btw. sweet compact tool!
I have the same problem with mine. I bought mine at home depot clamshell package.
Post by: Taxi Dad on February 02, 2013, 04:07:01 PM
i have another one, still in the dumb clamshell, i don't want to unwrap it just find it's the same.
It really bugs me, but it's still serviceable for 'hacking jobs' i'm not a fan of silly serrations anyway.
can't help loving the WINGMAN though :D
Post by: Superchickenn on February 02, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
so thats now,
a sidekick
2 x wingman
a gerber suspension
a gerber bear grylls compact..
not sure what to do with it yet.. had it cheap.. i may look at customizing it or something.. just need to wait for delivery :)
Post by: THE_LONGBOW on February 02, 2013, 06:35:42 PM
On the other side of it Leatherman should look into this issue.
BTW mine is a Home Depot combo also.
Post by: Smaug on February 03, 2013, 03:00:32 PM
I'm impressed by how well the plier return spring is integrated. I can't see a sign of it anywhere; it must be right inside the head somehow! This will keep it from getting gummed up from pocket lint, I think.
The scissors are very nice; nicer than the tiny ones inside the handle of most Leathermen. They did not quite get the bevel angles right when sharpening them though; the plain edge part of the blade is a little lopsided in that regard. Still, with only a brief touch-up on my Sharpmaker, the knife is razor sharp: it push cuts paper very easily.
I generally prefer a full plain edged blade, but it is not worth crying over or even modding. Remember that the unwashed public uses the blades as they are and never re-sharpens them. When they do, they use a bench grinder or a file. For this kind of use and abuse, a serrated blade is preferable, because it takes a lot to dull it.
The wire cutter, I tried on many sizes of copper wire, both stranded and solid. It does not do well on stranded wire with fine strands, but does OK on typical stranded wire used for building wiring. On solid gauge, it does fine, up to about 10 gauge.
The screwdrivers are great.
The pocket clip is on the wrong handle for clipping to a right hip pocket, as it is away from the seam. Maybe it doesn't matter though, because if I have this clipped to my pocket, I no longer have room to get my hand in there for anything else. (so I don't do it)
Post by: Taxi Dad on February 03, 2013, 03:05:48 PM
Post by: Yadda on February 05, 2013, 04:29:18 AM
Post by: colt 1911 on February 05, 2013, 03:54:43 PM
The Sidekick and Wingman, Style CS combo packs at Home Depot fit my low cost budget when they were marked down after Christmas. I ponied up for both.
you can swap tools on those two models.
Post by: n4vgm on February 05, 2013, 07:09:03 PM
I like the larger pliers and scissors of the wingman.
Post by: Yadda on February 05, 2013, 08:14:20 PM
The Sidekick and Wingman, Style CS combo packs at Home Depot fit my low cost budget when they were marked down after Christmas. I ponied up for both.
you can swap tools on those two models.
I had concluded as much, but I don't see it happening unless I really, really have a great reason.
Post by: sir_mike on February 05, 2013, 09:11:37 PM
:D
Post by: colt 1911 on February 05, 2013, 10:09:50 PM
I hate the combo blade on the Wingman and hate the saw on the Sidekick. I want the scissors to replace the saw on the Sidekick, then I would get one.
:D
That's what I did, put the scissors and the clamshell opener on the sidekick(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/06/y6y8equh.jpg)
Post by: David on February 05, 2013, 10:12:30 PM
Post by: sir_mike on February 05, 2013, 10:15:51 PM
I hate the combo blade on the Wingman and hate the saw on the Sidekick. I want the scissors to replace the saw on the Sidekick, then I would get one.
:D
That's what I did, put the scissors and the clamshell opener on the sidekick(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/06/y6y8equh.jpg)
You could have just swapped the blade from the Sidekick to the Wingman, right? If I were using the Sidekick, I would put on the scissors and the package opener in place of the saw/file thing and keep the small serrated blade. Make sense? :D
Post by: colt 1911 on February 05, 2013, 11:09:15 PM
I hate the combo blade on the Wingman and hate the saw on the Sidekick. I want the scissors to replace the saw on the Sidekick, then I would get one.
:D
That's what I did, put the scissors and the clamshell opener on the sidekick
You could have just swapped the blade from the Sidekick to the Wingman, right? If I were using the Sidekick, I would put on the scissors and the package opener in place of the saw/file thing and keep the small serrated blade. Make sense? :D
Yep total sense. could go either way i guess, i never use the small blade.
Post by: steveje on February 07, 2013, 03:57:09 AM
Post by: colt 1911 on February 07, 2013, 04:25:18 AM
I like the wingman but mine developed some side to side play in the plier head after 2 weeks of light use. Has this happened to anyone else?
my handles have side to side when closed.
Post by: captain spaulding on February 15, 2013, 07:11:37 AM
(http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad112/ChadV_2010/KNIVES%20and%20MTs/DSC02368.jpg)
Post by: colt 1911 on February 15, 2013, 10:36:12 PM
I don't own either anymore, but I do have these....... :whistle:
is that Reno 911
Post by: captain spaulding on February 15, 2013, 10:57:15 PM
I don't own either anymore, but I do have these....... :whistle:
is that Reno 911
Lol no, but I see what your saying. These where a run of trading cards that were available when the Wingman came out. Not sure if they are still available?
Post by: THE_LONGBOW on February 16, 2013, 01:59:38 AM
Post by: stealth007s on February 16, 2013, 02:05:36 AM
I don't own either anymore, but I do have these....... :whistle:
(http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad112/ChadV_2010/KNIVES%20and%20MTs/DSC02368.jpg)
Looks like a 70s porn star to me :think:
Post by: captain spaulding on February 16, 2013, 07:41:48 AM
I do not know if I will ever look at my Wingman the same way again. :o
You might sell it after watching this.
The Wingman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf3cvg-qrD0#ws)
Post by: WoodMan on February 17, 2013, 08:00:06 PM
I do not know if I will ever look at my Wingman the same way again. :o
You might sell it after watching this.
The Wingman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf3cvg-qrD0#ws)
Shocking that those three SOG subforum members (at 2:06) didn't have a bottle opener between them. ;)
Post by: THE_LONGBOW on February 17, 2013, 08:54:55 PM
I got to get one of them new cell phones.
Captain you come up with some GOOD stuff!
Post by: AHB on February 17, 2013, 09:06:21 PM
:facepalm:
Post by: SolomonKane79 on February 17, 2013, 09:13:03 PM
Post by: stealth007s on February 18, 2013, 01:44:07 AM
I love the Wingman ad! I can't see why anyone should dislike it! :rofl: I have one on the way, i can't wait for it to arrive. I have heard all and the opposite of all about this tool. I'm going to beat it, if it does not hold up it's going to take a deep dive! >:D
Maybe because it's dumb?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: swisspilot on February 27, 2013, 01:02:49 AM
maybe this has already been discussed in the thread, I started reading it but I`m not done yet, if this was already pointed out sorry for my post!
Post by: Gareth on February 27, 2013, 07:02:31 PM
In answer to your question; yes, the handle movement does seem to be normal. certainly mine do it and I know others have said the same. I just had to go look at the plier tips and mine seems to have the same 0.5mm play that you are talking about. Not noticed that before. :-[ Not affected it in use though. :)
Sorry to hear about your stolen Wave, that sucks. :(
Post by: swisspilot on March 01, 2013, 10:36:17 PM
Welcome to the forum Swisspilot. :cheers:
In answer to your question; yes, the handle movement does seem to be normal. certainly mine do it and I know others have said the same. I just had to go look at the plier tips and mine seems to have the same 0.5mm play that you are talking about. Not noticed that before. :-[ Not affected it in use though. :)
Sorry to hear about your stolen Wave, that sucks. :(
Thank you!
Great to hear that it probably won`t affect it in use....
It sucked big time getting my wave stolen, I have had it for about 10 years, took it on so many trips, sailing charters and it came with me into military service. It got taken from me when I was actually using it on a daily base, to do little stuff on the airplane I was flying as bush pilot, I missed it every day after that..
Post by: cibui on March 04, 2013, 06:24:29 PM
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Leatherman Juice XE6 / Leatherman Surge BO / Leatherman Super Tool 300 EOD BO / Leatherman Wingman
Brunei Darussalam
Post by: Chinese Buffet on March 05, 2013, 04:30:31 AM
My slightly modded EDC WingSide...
Enjoy,
CB
Post by: drrobinson on March 05, 2013, 06:46:12 AM
Not my favorite LM, but I don't mind leaving one in a drawer at work, in my wife's car, and in the pocket of my woodworking apron.
It feels a little silly to have one MultiTool in my pocket, one in my desk drawer, and one in my EDC bag all within 4 ft of each other but, I know you guys understand my sickness :)
Post by: stang87 on March 05, 2013, 07:31:50 PM
Okay so I admit I bought three Wingman at Christmas when they were $20 at Home Depot.
Not my favorite LM, but I don't mind leaving one in a drawer at work, in my wife's car, and in the pocket of my woodworking apron.
It feels a little silly to have one MultiTool in my pocket, one in my desk drawer, and one in my EDC bag all within 4 ft of each other but, I know you guys understand my sickness :)
Not weird at all. I got the wingman w/style cs combo for $20 few months back. Wingman is in my girlfriend's car since it is the more basic of all my MTs. I have a rebar in my nightstand, surge in my truck, skeletool handy on my dresser (sometimes I carry it), and wave/charge in tool chest.
Post by: LanWolf on March 08, 2013, 02:21:05 PM
Bought a Sidekick (did not want the combo knife blade on the wingman) yesterday,
played around with it a little yesterday evening, conclusion : i am really missing the scissors but most of all, not locking the tools is a big issue for me. (even my cheapest no name tool does that)
I really liked the spring-loaded pliers altough.(Maybe get me a squirt ps4 for edc small tool later, for not so heavy duty work, like some electronics works, so the non locking on the other tools will be less of an issue)
Gave a call to the company i bought it from, and going to swap it for a Wave later today (of course with additional payment (55 euro for the sidekick vs 89 euro for the wave).
Post by: Gareth on March 08, 2013, 07:45:40 PM
Post by: Gareth on March 11, 2013, 11:47:32 PM
Post by: Chako on March 12, 2013, 12:18:39 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Album%202/IMG_1676small_zpsb56011d4.jpg)
I do not find them all that bad overall.
Post by: New_World on March 12, 2013, 09:57:37 PM
Here is the sidekick and Wingman storage area.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Album%202/IMG_1676small_zpsb56011d4.jpg)
I do not find them all that bad overall.
who did the designs on the sidekick/wingmans?
also did you dye any of those colors?
Post by: blooper on March 12, 2013, 11:17:14 PM
edit: here (http://www.texastoolcrafters.com/model/leatherman-sidekick)
Post by: Nhoj on March 12, 2013, 11:21:08 PM
Here are their sidekicks:
http://www.texastoolcrafters.com/model/leatherman-sidekick
And here is the page for the wingmans:
http://www.texastoolcrafters.com/model/leatherman-wingman
Edit: Never mind blooper added a link :)
Post by: Pat5150 on March 13, 2013, 05:59:33 AM
Post by: bmot on March 13, 2013, 09:12:43 AM
I've looked all over, no results so far. Has anyone fit a large bit driver to a sidekick/wingman? I'm thinking if you ditched the slotted and philips screwdrivers on one side it might fit. For me, it would be amazing to use this thing on hex and torx fasteners.
You do have to remember that the inside tools don't lock, though. I don't know how they keep them open, but that might not be compatible with the bit holder.
Post by: Nhoj on March 13, 2013, 11:57:25 AM
I've looked all over, no results so far. Has anyone fit a large bit driver to a sidekick/wingman? I'm thinking if you ditched the slotted and philips screwdrivers on one side it might fit. For me, it would be amazing to use this thing on hex and torx fasteners.
I do not own a wingman any more but I think that normal Leatherman tools like the bit driver might fit in there. I think this because Leatherman probably didn't want to spend the money to make a new can/bottle for the wingman/sidekick so they probably made their other tools fit so they cut put in can/bottle openers they already had. I am not sure about this and you should wait for someone else to respond before ruining any tools based off my guess. :)
Post by: Pat5150 on March 13, 2013, 06:12:18 PM
Post by: JAfromMn on March 13, 2013, 09:22:43 PM
soon
Post by: SolomonKane79 on March 21, 2013, 02:54:24 PM
Post by: Gareth on March 21, 2013, 02:59:50 PM
Post by: colt 1911 on March 21, 2013, 06:35:46 PM
I got sidekick mods on my mind.Like what ?
soon
Post by: xdalaw on March 21, 2013, 08:38:30 PM
Post by: JAfromMn on March 21, 2013, 09:00:05 PM
I got sidekick mods on my mind.Like what ?
soon
a few stock removal mods
I'm half done :P
Post by: colt 1911 on March 22, 2013, 07:56:11 PM
Post by: BIG-TARGET on March 25, 2013, 09:36:02 PM
Does anyone one these? And is it worth the money? :think:
http://www.texastoolcrafters.com/model/leatherman-sidekick
http://www.texastoolcrafters.com/model/leatherman-wingman
Note: the "skull" models are appealing to my "darkside" >:D
Post by: stealth007s on March 25, 2013, 11:16:50 PM
I'm debating about getting one of these "pimped" Sidekick/Wingman. :think:
Does anyone one these? And is it worth the money? :think:
http://www.texastoolcrafters.com/model/leatherman-sidekick
http://www.texastoolcrafters.com/model/leatherman-wingman
Note: the "skull" models are appealing to my "darkside" >:D
I know that Chako has a few.
Post by: sjdep97 on March 27, 2013, 03:57:18 AM
Post by: colt 1911 on March 27, 2013, 03:42:11 PM
I'm debating about getting one of these "pimped" Sidekick/Wingman. :think:
Does anyone one these? And is it worth the money? :think:
http://www.texastoolcrafters.com/model/leatherman-sidekick
http://www.texastoolcrafters.com/model/leatherman-wingman
Note: the "skull" models are appealing to my "darkside" >:D
If i didn't have the sidekick and wingman already, i would go with the one with skulls the cool factor would make up for the tools entry level lameness.
Post by: Aloha on April 15, 2013, 08:59:20 PM
Post by: twbranch on April 16, 2013, 01:25:24 AM
WINGMAN!
Post by: JAfromMn on April 16, 2013, 02:30:23 AM
I got sidekick mods on my mind.Like what ?
soon
a few stock removal mods
I'm half done :P
well the sidekick is just about done
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,44397.new.html
I still need to do some fish work :)
Post by: colt 1911 on April 16, 2013, 05:12:52 AM
I got sidekick mods on my mind.Like what ?
soon
a few stock removal mods
I'm half done :P
Very Nice, nice indeed.
well the sidekick is just about done
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,44397.new.html
I still need to do some fish work :)
Post by: captain spaulding on April 19, 2013, 10:19:56 PM
Leatherman Wingman 2012 Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUv_8jXMz-o#ws)
Post by: captain spaulding on April 25, 2013, 08:48:08 AM
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Post by: Mr Biriyani on April 26, 2013, 08:48:28 PM
So I finally got a Wingman since I sold the others off and it has the smooth scales on the clip side. How common is this? Is it the new way they are making them now or is this the old way? Anyone have info about this?
(http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad112/ChadV_2010/Knives%20and%20MT%203/DSC00299_zpsb638f5da.jpg)
Thats funny Captain Spaulding I just got my Sidekick today, coming home of course I compare to my older Wingman and found the same thing. Thinking, I wonder if somebody else have this and checked this thread.
I guessing they have changed it then because we have got them from completely different places /batches.
Post by: THE_LONGBOW on April 26, 2013, 09:10:05 PM
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,44435.0.html
Post by: captain spaulding on April 26, 2013, 10:09:11 PM
Post by: Mercury on April 27, 2013, 08:26:38 PM
If there are so many of these floating around I don't think it was flat for printable advertising. My theory is this is a newer style Wingman/Sidekick. One less step it takes to make the scales which would increase the profit on them. It's just a guess though. :think:
That makes sense.
Post by: mitchell on April 28, 2013, 11:30:04 AM
I was thinking about somehow deactivating the locking mechanism, wouldn't that make it legal? But I think that it would ruin the whole tool, and there's the risk of losing finger parts due to the wickedly sharp blade flopping around. So I've decided to leave it unmodded. The way I see it cops aren't gonna search me and ask questions unless I do something silly.
Would love to hear your thoughts
Post by: Gareth on April 28, 2013, 03:27:00 PM
Post by: mitchell on April 29, 2013, 08:38:31 AM
Post by: Gareth on April 29, 2013, 10:02:59 AM
If you are carrying it for a specific (and legal) reason again I believe you should be just fine. So your fishing trip or similar sounds perfectly reasonable to me. For my own part I feel perfectly justified in carrying a fixed blade and an axe if I am heading out on a weekend of wild camping.
Long and short of it is though that by carrying a slip joint over 3" long, locking or fixed blade without a specific and good reason you are going to be on the wrong side of the law. I would also think just how stringently enforced the law is might depend on exactly where you are in Scotland. Live in Glasgow? No way on Earth I'd risk being caught with a locking knife. Live in rural Sutherland? Chances are you'll not encounter any issues, but I'm still not sure I'd risk a stay in prison to test that theory. ;)
One thought I have had would be to remove the blade on your MT altogether and carry a small non-locking knife as a companion.
Post by: mitchell on May 04, 2013, 12:28:33 AM
Gareth, I was of course speaking hypothetically, I would never knowingly carry such an implement :)
Post by: Stormdrane on May 05, 2013, 01:15:34 AM
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Post by: THE_LONGBOW on May 05, 2013, 06:15:31 AM
Post by: Jack Knife on May 08, 2013, 09:23:18 PM
Post by: Stormdrane on May 08, 2013, 09:42:05 PM
"It is kind of like if the scissors are open they lock easier." :think:
Yep, that does the trick, thanks! If the scissors are still in the compact position when folded out, the lock doesn't want to pop into place... :)
Post by: lowtech on May 09, 2013, 08:59:12 PM
I did not carry the tools a lot.
One had a loose Plier Pivot that i made a bit tigther with a Center punch and a flat punch.
You can see the punchmark in the Pivot.
At the Moment one of the Wingman tools is apart as I´m thinking about modding it.
I do have a Gerber Strata Plier head which has replaceable carbide cutters and which look as if they will work with minor reprofiling.
Post by: Nhoj on May 09, 2013, 09:22:38 PM
I do own a Sidekick and 2 Wingmen, so I´m in, i´d say.
I did not carry the tools a lot.
One had a loose Plier Pivot that i made a bit tigther with a Center punch and a flat punch.
You can see the punchmark in the Pivot.
At the Moment one of the Wingman tools is apart as I´m thinking about modding it.
I do have a Gerber Strata Plier head which has replaceable carbide cutters and which look as if they will work with minor reprofiling.
If I had known what you do to wingmen before I sent one... :P Is mine the one that is not dismantled? I was aware some modding would take place.
Post by: lowtech on May 09, 2013, 10:19:53 PM
Unless you think mixing in Gerber parts actually is hurting it, but i don´t suppose this is the case.
I´m not sure, i believe your´s had a plier head with nearly no play, so i left it alone.
I would like to make a blunt nose out of one of teh pliers, but i know noone with a mill and i am afraid any fast cutting tools (like an angle grinder or a belt sander) will bugge up the heat treat.
The other "modding" will be a Mix and matching of tools of the Sidekick and Wingman, i guess. And I´m thinking about (partially) mediablasting the frame of one of the tools.
Post by: Nhoj on May 09, 2013, 10:31:56 PM
Post by: Gareth on May 09, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Post by: Jack Knife on May 17, 2013, 08:46:49 PM
Here's mine.
Post by: Taxi Dad on May 18, 2013, 11:36:22 AM
Post by: kkokkolis on May 18, 2013, 11:52:36 AM
Post by: Taxi Dad on May 18, 2013, 11:58:45 AM
thanks !
Post by: Jack Knife on May 18, 2013, 02:35:12 PM
Post by: THE_LONGBOW on June 13, 2013, 01:28:16 AM
In my house I have been doing some minor remodeling and it has been very handy for outlet screws, cutting old phone lines, to pulling a stir stick that fell in to the can of stain. Not to mention scrapping and cutting.
Needless to say I am pleased with my Wingman.
Post by: detron on June 21, 2013, 05:25:06 PM
is it my favorite LM? no
is is a good tool? yes
do I think $20 is an awesome price? YES!
Post by: Taxi Dad on June 21, 2013, 06:18:29 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on June 21, 2013, 08:42:24 PM
I thought this tool looked like a crappy tool, UNTIL I got one. my hardware store has them for $19.99, so I bought one. the next day I went back and got another! yes, my Surge is better, yes I do not care for the combo blade, but for $20 I cannot even get a PS4!
is it my favorite LM? no
is is a good tool? yes
do I think $20 is an awesome price? YES!
Well said and I completely agree. :tu:
Post by: rdub934 on June 21, 2013, 11:31:41 PM
I bought my Dad a Wingman for Father's Day. When I was home on leave in May I let him use my Wingman several times and he was pretty pumped on it. I had been planning to get him a Charge but one of the things he specifically said was how nice he thought the springy pliers were.
Post by: detron on June 22, 2013, 06:10:38 AM
Post by: detron on June 22, 2013, 05:54:05 PM
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Post by: Gareth on June 22, 2013, 09:42:10 PM
Should have said good tool, not gods tool. Autocorrected >:(Fixed. :)
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and I agree, my Sidekick is by no means my favourite Leatherman, but it's well worth $20-$30. :tu: Sadly they, like every LM, actually sell for a lot more here. ::)
Post by: detron on July 13, 2013, 11:58:42 PM
Should have said good tool, not gods tool. Autocorrected >:(Fixed. :)
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and I agree, my Sidekick is by no means my favourite Leatherman, but it's well worth $20-$30. :tu: Sadly they, like every LM, actually sell for a lot more here. ::)
Would it be cheaper to buy in usa and ship to you? I have never shipped overseas, but if it would help you, I would be happy to help.
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Post by: Stormdrane on July 26, 2013, 07:44:44 PM
I should put some tape on the blade edge since I'm doing this freehand with the blade locked open, or I know I'm gonna cut myself before I'm finished, lol... One image edited with Picasa's 'cross process', the other with 'neon'... :D
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Post by: stealth007s on July 27, 2013, 01:58:10 AM
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Post by: CanadianLMfan on September 11, 2013, 02:05:01 PM
Post by: Monrogue on October 29, 2013, 09:29:56 PM
Now, overall, I must say I am impressed, especially when you consider the price. It doesn't feel as cheaply made as I've read in some posts, and it feels rather solid to me. I don't heavily use my MTs anyway, especially in terms of hard or abusive work, so this is sufficient as far as I am concerned. I love the spring loaded pliers, and the scissors cut nicely (paper is all I've cut so far). That package opener is sharp too, and worked really well on one taped up box I opened today. I bet it works really well on clamshell packs too. I think that for less than $25, I got a heck of a good MT :tu: As a matter of fact, if I had gotten one of these a long time ago, I think the spring loaded pliers, scissors and package opener, in particular, would have kept me very happy and I may not have gotten another MT :think:...even though that sounds like such an evil thought...shudder to think what that may be like ;)
Post by: Gareth on October 29, 2013, 09:47:28 PM
Post by: CanadianLMfan on October 29, 2013, 09:59:14 PM
Post by: Zed on October 29, 2013, 11:10:06 PM
Post by: rickboone on October 29, 2013, 11:24:23 PM
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Post by: CanadianLMfan on October 30, 2013, 01:30:23 AM
I have a wingman. Can I join?
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Yes you can!!! :cheers:
Post by: Monrogue on October 30, 2013, 04:30:49 AM
Dang Monrogue, you've got me thinking about carrying my Sidekick now. I agree with most of what you've said, though for me I am not a massive fan of the sprung pliers.
Cool :tu: Why aren't you a fan of the pliers? I also like that the tip of the pliers has a smooth gripping surface for finer tasks (more suitable to me) instead of the grippy teeth all the way to the tip like all the other MTs I have.
As for me saying I probably wouldn't have gotten another MT-I think that was a severe exaggeration :rofl: Considering how I bought them up after my first one over a year and a half ago, I don't think it would have mattered. Although, I may have been more satisfied if I got the Wingman first, and who knows, I may have at least gotten fewer MTs, but I have no regrets. What's funny is that the cheapest MT I've ever purchased is one of the most suitable to my needs it seems. Can't complain about that :shrug:
Post by: Monrogue on October 30, 2013, 04:34:14 AM
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124837_595_zps9d56628d.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124837_595_zps9d56628d.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124854_774_zps71944c17.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124854_774_zps71944c17.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124917_669_zps36933ce9.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124917_669_zps36933ce9.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_125005_431_zps969f9bfd.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_125005_431_zps969f9bfd.jpg.html)
Post by: rongallo on October 31, 2013, 01:10:15 AM
Post by: Nhoj on October 31, 2013, 01:26:35 AM
Oh, and here are some pics :DDoes it have the new style backside?
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124837_595_zps9d56628d.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124837_595_zps9d56628d.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124854_774_zps71944c17.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124854_774_zps71944c17.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124917_669_zps36933ce9.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124917_669_zps36933ce9.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_125005_431_zps969f9bfd.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_125005_431_zps969f9bfd.jpg.html)
Post by: CanadianLMfan on October 31, 2013, 01:47:58 AM
Oh, and here are some pics :DDoes it have the new style backside?
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124837_595_zps9d56628d.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124837_595_zps9d56628d.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124854_774_zps71944c17.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124854_774_zps71944c17.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124917_669_zps36933ce9.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124917_669_zps36933ce9.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_125005_431_zps969f9bfd.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_125005_431_zps969f9bfd.jpg.html)
Yes, you can tell by the front too.
Post by: Nhoj on October 31, 2013, 02:08:13 AM
So yes because the handle covers the blade more when closedOh, and here are some pics :DDoes it have the new style backside?
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124837_595_zps9d56628d.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124837_595_zps9d56628d.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124854_774_zps71944c17.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124854_774_zps71944c17.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124917_669_zps36933ce9.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_124917_669_zps36933ce9.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_125005_431_zps969f9bfd.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131029_125005_431_zps969f9bfd.jpg.html)
Yes, you can tell by the front too.
Post by: Monrogue on October 31, 2013, 03:10:05 AM
Post by: Monrogue on October 31, 2013, 07:12:31 PM
I think I would have been disappointed had the Wingman been my first ever MT, and then I had purchased my TTi and had to adjust to manual pliers (yes, I would have known before purchasing that they were manual, so I guess that would be on me), especially after spending over $100 for it. To me, that's a feature that should just be standard, especially in the more expensive models. Perhaps there are reasons for not having spring loaded pliers in each model, of which I would be unaware. Anyone feel free to enlighten me if you know anything about this ;)
Post by: bmot on October 31, 2013, 07:45:37 PM
I just had a thought: If Leatherman considers the Wingman/Sidekick to be sort of entry level tools, wouldn't some people be disappointed in a more expensive model (especially like the Charges) as none of them have spring loaded pliers (well the OHT does)? I know pliers aren't necessarily a big deal to everyone, and some could manage fine I'm sure. Heck, I don't use them a lot, but now that I've used the Wingman pliers a couple times, I love the spring loaded feature.
I think I would have been disappointed had the Wingman been my first ever MT, and then I had purchased my TTi and had to adjust to manual pliers (yes, I would have known before purchasing that they were manual, so I guess that would be on me), especially after spending over $100 for it. To me, that's a feature that should just be standard, especially in the more expensive models. Perhaps there are reasons for not having spring loaded pliers in each model, of which I would be unaware. Anyone feel free to enlighten me if you know anything about this ;)
Usually, the springs on springloaded pliers are inside the plierhead, taking away metal from it, and thus making it weaker. That's all I can think of.
Post by: Nhoj on October 31, 2013, 07:56:27 PM
I just had a thought: If Leatherman considers the Wingman/Sidekick to be sort of entry level tools, wouldn't some people be disappointed in a more expensive model (especially like the Charges) as none of them have spring loaded pliers (well the OHT does)? I know pliers aren't necessarily a big deal to everyone, and some could manage fine I'm sure. Heck, I don't use them a lot, but now that I've used the Wingman pliers a couple times, I love the spring loaded feature.That is exactly what happened to me and I still miss spring loaded pliers. I had a suspension (spring loaded) then wingman which is also spring loaded, so then when I got my wave I was kinda upset.
I think I would have been disappointed had the Wingman been my first ever MT, and then I had purchased my TTi and had to adjust to manual pliers (yes, I would have known before purchasing that they were manual, so I guess that would be on me), especially after spending over $100 for it. To me, that's a feature that should just be standard, especially in the more expensive models. Perhaps there are reasons for not having spring loaded pliers in each model, of which I would be unaware. Anyone feel free to enlighten me if you know anything about this ;)
Post by: Monrogue on October 31, 2013, 08:10:11 PM
Usually, the springs on springloaded pliers are inside the plierhead, taking away metal from it, and thus making it weaker. That's all I can think of.
Oh yeah, that's probably true bmot, good point :salute: I suppose one wouldn't want their $100+ Charge pliers to break more easily...luckily for me I don't use my pliers so forcefully that this would be an issue (at least I hope not anyway...).
Post by: Monrogue on October 31, 2013, 08:13:02 PM
That is exactly what happened to me and I still miss spring loaded pliers. I had a suspension (spring loaded) then wingman which is also spring loaded, so then when I got my wave I was kinda upset.
Ha, so I wouldn't have been alone in that sadness ;) Thanks John :D
Post by: CanadianLMfan on October 31, 2013, 10:04:39 PM
Post by: Zed on November 11, 2013, 09:39:40 PM
Sidekick :tu:
Post by: Monrogue on November 11, 2013, 09:42:45 PM
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Post by: Nhoj on November 11, 2013, 09:53:29 PM
Post by: Zed on November 11, 2013, 10:00:04 PM
Post by: Monrogue on November 11, 2013, 10:32:30 PM
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Post by: campussecurity on November 12, 2013, 11:12:59 AM
Post by: CanadianLMfan on November 12, 2013, 01:47:16 PM
I bought a Wingman yesterday for $15 with a my veteran discount. I like it so far good companion for my Wave. :multi:
The Wingman is a good tool! Hope you like it! :cheers:
Post by: Monrogue on November 12, 2013, 05:26:34 PM
I bought a Wingman yesterday for $15 with a my veteran discount. I like it so far good companion for my Wave. :multi:
Cool, I'm glad you like it :tu:
Post by: captain spaulding on November 17, 2013, 01:40:07 AM
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Post by: cannonball on November 17, 2013, 04:12:51 PM
Post by: Top-Gear-24 on November 17, 2013, 04:39:51 PM
I have both a Wingman and Sidekick. For the price, they are hard to beat. My only complaint is when in plier mode the handles are too far apart. Much further than my Wave.
If I could get them for the prices that you guys are mentioning here I would buy them immediately, but here in Belgium the Wingman costs 52€ ( about $70) and the Sidekick costs 68€ (about $92), so now you guys know why I'll probably never own one of them (not even after looking at Captain Spaulding's awesome pic here above ;)).
Post by: captain spaulding on November 17, 2013, 09:41:14 PM
I have both a Wingman and Sidekick. For the price, they are hard to beat. My only complaint is when in plier mode the handles are too far apart. Much further than my Wave.
If I could get them for the prices that you guys are mentioning here I would buy them immediately, but here in Belgium the Wingman costs 52€ ( about $70) and the Sidekick costs 68€ (about $92), so now you guys know why I'll probably never own one of them (not even after looking at Captain Spaulding's awesome pic here above ;)).
I completely understand that. If they where those prices here I would pass on the Wingman/Sidekick line as well.
Post by: Gareth on November 18, 2013, 01:15:42 AM
Yeah, no way I would say they are worth what they cost in the UK either. For the US price I would say they are definitely worth buying though. Needless to say I didn't pay full UK price for my Sidekick. ;)I have both a Wingman and Sidekick. For the price, they are hard to beat. My only complaint is when in plier mode the handles are too far apart. Much further than my Wave.
If I could get them for the prices that you guys are mentioning here I would buy them immediately, but here in Belgium the Wingman costs 52€ ( about $70) and the Sidekick costs 68€ (about $92), so now you guys know why I'll probably never own one of them (not even after looking at Captain Spaulding's awesome pic here above ;)).
Post by: CanadianLMfan on November 18, 2013, 01:16:14 AM
I have both a Wingman and Sidekick. For the price, they are hard to beat. My only complaint is when in plier mode the handles are too far apart. Much further than my Wave.
If I could get them for the prices that you guys are mentioning here I would buy them immediately, but here in Belgium the Wingman costs 52€ ( about $70) and the Sidekick costs 68€ (about $92), so now you guys know why I'll probably never own one of them (not even after looking at Captain Spaulding's awesome pic here above ;)).
I completely understand that. If they where those prices here I would pass on the Wingman/Sidekick line as well.
Think about how much the Charge would cost! :ahhh
Post by: sixgun on November 18, 2013, 03:10:38 AM
I wish all leatherman MTs had spring loaded pliers.
Post by: CanadianLMfan on November 18, 2013, 03:23:37 AM
I own a wingman and plan to buy and mod a sidekick for back country use.
I wish all leatherman MTs had spring loaded pliers.
They are very useful indeed. :tu:
Post by: Monrogue on November 18, 2013, 05:38:56 AM
I own a wingman and plan to buy and mod a sidekick for back country use.
I wish all leatherman MTs had spring loaded pliers.
They are very useful indeed. :tu:
+1 - Indeed they are :tu:
Post by: Monrogue on November 18, 2013, 05:40:34 AM
I have both a Wingman and Sidekick. For the price, they are hard to beat. My only complaint is when in plier mode the handles are too far apart. Much further than my Wave.
If I could get them for the prices that you guys are mentioning here I would buy them immediately, but here in Belgium the Wingman costs 52€ ( about $70) and the Sidekick costs 68€ (about $92), so now you guys know why I'll probably never own one of them (not even after looking at Captain Spaulding's awesome pic here above ;)).
I'm curious why the Sidekick costs so much more than the Wingman. I think I noticed that on another site, Swiss Knife Shop maybe. Aren't they essentially the same thing with only a couple different tools between them?
And I agree, Cap's pic is pretty cool :tu:
Post by: captain spaulding on November 18, 2013, 05:42:44 AM
I have both a Wingman and Sidekick. For the price, they are hard to beat. My only complaint is when in plier mode the handles are too far apart. Much further than my Wave.
If I could get them for the prices that you guys are mentioning here I would buy them immediately, but here in Belgium the Wingman costs 52€ ( about $70) and the Sidekick costs 68€ (about $92), so now you guys know why I'll probably never own one of them (not even after looking at Captain Spaulding's awesome pic here above ;)).
I'm curious why the Sidekick costs so much more than the Wingman. I think I noticed that on another site, Swiss Knife Shop maybe. Aren't they essentially the same thing with only a couple different tools between them?
And I agree, Cap's pic is pretty cool :tu:
It could be that the Sidekick comes with the Leather sheath and Carabiner and the Wingman does not come with any extras.
Post by: Monrogue on November 18, 2013, 06:06:31 AM
I have both a Wingman and Sidekick. For the price, they are hard to beat. My only complaint is when in plier mode the handles are too far apart. Much further than my Wave.
If I could get them for the prices that you guys are mentioning here I would buy them immediately, but here in Belgium the Wingman costs 52€ ( about $70) and the Sidekick costs 68€ (about $92), so now you guys know why I'll probably never own one of them (not even after looking at Captain Spaulding's awesome pic here above ;)).
I'm curious why the Sidekick costs so much more than the Wingman. I think I noticed that on another site, Swiss Knife Shop maybe. Aren't they essentially the same thing with only a couple different tools between them?
And I agree, Cap's pic is pretty cool :tu:
It could be that the Sidekick comes with the Leather sheath and Carabiner and the Wingman does not come with any extras.
Oh that must be it then. I didn't know that, thanks :salute:
Post by: captain spaulding on November 18, 2013, 06:08:11 AM
I have both a Wingman and Sidekick. For the price, they are hard to beat. My only complaint is when in plier mode the handles are too far apart. Much further than my Wave.
If I could get them for the prices that you guys are mentioning here I would buy them immediately, but here in Belgium the Wingman costs 52€ ( about $70) and the Sidekick costs 68€ (about $92), so now you guys know why I'll probably never own one of them (not even after looking at Captain Spaulding's awesome pic here above ;)).
I'm curious why the Sidekick costs so much more than the Wingman. I think I noticed that on another site, Swiss Knife Shop maybe. Aren't they essentially the same thing with only a couple different tools between them?
And I agree, Cap's pic is pretty cool :tu:
It could be that the Sidekick comes with the Leather sheath and Carabiner and the Wingman does not come with any extras.
Oh that must be it then. I didn't know that, thanks :salute:
:tu:
Post by: Gareth on November 18, 2013, 08:20:28 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on November 18, 2013, 08:36:07 AM
The question is; why can you only buy the Sidekick with the extra bits? ??? I've never found a use for them and all they do is add at least $10 to the asking price. It's like someone wants the Wingman to sell better, so they handicap the Sidekick. :think:
Not sure on that one. Wish I could buy a Sidekick for $20.00 like the Wingman. I do know the new Sidekick/CROC promotional run is missing something that the normal Sidekick gets. I can't remember if they dropped the leather sheath and carabiner or if they kept one (say the sheath) and dropped only the carabiner. I know theirs a thread around here somewhere where it has been discussed.
Post by: Zed on November 18, 2013, 10:57:43 AM
The question is; why can you only buy the Sidekick with the extra bits? ??? I've never found a use for them and all they do is add at least $10 to the asking price. It's like someone wants the Wingman to sell better, so they handicap the Sidekick. :think:
Not sure on that one. Wish I could buy a Sidekick for $20.00 like the Wingman. I do know the new Sidekick/CROC promotional run is missing something that the normal Sidekick gets. I can't remember if they dropped the leather sheath and carabiner or if they kept one (say the sheath) and dropped only the carabiner. I know theirs a thread around here somewhere where it has been discussed.
Think they dropped both items and added the croc ,i like the leather pouch and have clipped a dangler on it and hang it in my front jeans pocket, :tu:
Post by: McChouffe on November 18, 2013, 02:28:12 PM
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Post by: Monrogue on November 18, 2013, 03:28:28 PM
The question is; why can you only buy the Sidekick with the extra bits? ??? I've never found a use for them and all they do is add at least $10 to the asking price. It's like someone wants the Wingman to sell better, so they handicap the Sidekick. :think:
Not sure on that one. Wish I could buy a Sidekick for $20.00 like the Wingman. I do know the new Sidekick/CROC promotional run is missing something that the normal Sidekick gets. I can't remember if they dropped the leather sheath and carabiner or if they kept one (say the sheath) and dropped only the carabiner. I know theirs a thread around here somewhere where it has been discussed.
Yeah, it seems odd to only include those items with the Sidekick (although I don't care to have them anyway). I just checked Amazon and currently the Sidekick is only a dollar or so more expensive than the Wingman, and it comes with the other two items. Amazon fluctuates frequently though, but when I was trying to decide which one to get a few weeks back, I believe they were similarly priced. I actually want to say that the Sidekick may have been slightly cheaper as I almost went with it based on that alone.
Post by: Top-Gear-24 on November 18, 2013, 06:00:06 PM
I have both a Wingman and Sidekick. For the price, they are hard to beat. My only complaint is when in plier mode the handles are too far apart. Much further than my Wave.
If I could get them for the prices that you guys are mentioning here I would buy them immediately, but here in Belgium the Wingman costs 52€ ( about $70) and the Sidekick costs 68€ (about $92), so now you guys know why I'll probably never own one of them (not even after looking at Captain Spaulding's awesome pic here above ;)).
I completely understand that. If they where those prices here I would pass on the Wingman/Sidekick line as well.
Think about how much the Charge would cost! :ahhh
Do you really want to know ... ?
The store where I got the Wingman/Sidekick prices from also sells the Charge Alx, that one costs 214€ (about $289), they don't have the Charge Tti there, but they do sell the Tti in another "outdoor store" and there it costs 230€ (about $310). And now that I'm posting all the local prices here I will also mention that a Wave costs 145€ (about $196) for the stainless version.
As you can see, collecting Leatherman tools is quite an expensive hobby over here ::).
Post by: Monrogue on November 18, 2013, 06:53:02 PM
I have both a Wingman and Sidekick. For the price, they are hard to beat. My only complaint is when in plier mode the handles are too far apart. Much further than my Wave.
If I could get them for the prices that you guys are mentioning here I would buy them immediately, but here in Belgium the Wingman costs 52€ ( about $70) and the Sidekick costs 68€ (about $92), so now you guys know why I'll probably never own one of them (not even after looking at Captain Spaulding's awesome pic here above ;)).
I completely understand that. If they where those prices here I would pass on the Wingman/Sidekick line as well.
Think about how much the Charge would cost! :ahhh
Do you really want to know ... ?
The store where I got the Wingman/Sidekick prices from also sells the Charge Alx, that one costs 214€ (about $289), they don't have the Charge Tti there, but they do sell the Tti in another "outdoor store" and there it costs 230€ (about $310). And now that I'm posting all the local prices here I will also mention that a Wave costs 145€ (about $196) for the stainless version.
As you can see, collecting Leatherman tools is quite an expensive hobby over here ::).
Wow man, those prices are insane :o. They should be gold plated for that kind of cash.
Post by: Zed on November 18, 2013, 07:27:03 PM
Post by: XeroTheHero on November 18, 2013, 08:00:46 PM
Post by: Mattb on November 18, 2013, 08:39:12 PM
Post by: Monrogue on November 18, 2013, 08:41:45 PM
I purchased a Wingman a few weeks ago. I really like it!
Welcome to the forum, and the club Mattb :cheers: Glad you like the Wingman.
Post by: Mattb on November 18, 2013, 08:48:30 PM
I purchased a Wingman a few weeks ago. I really like it!
Welcome to the forum, and the club Mattb :cheers: Glad you like the Wingman.
Thanks Monrogue!
Post by: CanadianLMfan on November 18, 2013, 11:18:37 PM
I have both a Wingman and Sidekick. For the price, they are hard to beat. My only complaint is when in plier mode the handles are too far apart. Much further than my Wave.
If I could get them for the prices that you guys are mentioning here I would buy them immediately, but here in Belgium the Wingman costs 52€ ( about $70) and the Sidekick costs 68€ (about $92), so now you guys know why I'll probably never own one of them (not even after looking at Captain Spaulding's awesome pic here above ;)).
I completely understand that. If they where those prices here I would pass on the Wingman/Sidekick line as well.
Think about how much the Charge would cost! :ahhh
Do you really want to know ... ?
The store where I got the Wingman/Sidekick prices from also sells the Charge Alx, that one costs 214€ (about $289), they don't have the Charge Tti there, but they do sell the Tti in another "outdoor store" and there it costs 230€ (about $310). And now that I'm posting all the local prices here I will also mention that a Wave costs 145€ (about $196) for the stainless version.
As you can see, collecting Leatherman tools is quite an expensive hobby over here ::).
And do you earn less money from jobs than here? :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Post by: bmot on November 19, 2013, 01:19:10 AM
I have both a Wingman and Sidekick. For the price, they are hard to beat. My only complaint is when in plier mode the handles are too far apart. Much further than my Wave.
If I could get them for the prices that you guys are mentioning here I would buy them immediately, but here in Belgium the Wingman costs 52€ ( about $70) and the Sidekick costs 68€ (about $92), so now you guys know why I'll probably never own one of them (not even after looking at Captain Spaulding's awesome pic here above ;) ).
I completely understand that. If they where those prices here I would pass on the Wingman/Sidekick line as well.
Think about how much the Charge would cost! :ahhh
Do you really want to know ... ?
The store where I got the Wingman/Sidekick prices from also sells the Charge Alx, that one costs 214€ (about $289), they don't have the Charge Tti there, but they do sell the Tti in another "outdoor store" and there it costs 230€ (about $310). And now that I'm posting all the local prices here I will also mention that a Wave costs 145€ (about $196) for the stainless version.
As you can see, collecting Leatherman tools is quite an expensive hobby over here ::) .
And do you earn less money from jobs than here? :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
At least the good beers are cheap :whistle: :cheers:
Post by: Gareth on November 19, 2013, 07:12:29 PM
I purchased a Wingman a few weeks ago. I really like it!Welcome to the forum Matt. :cheers:
Post by: Mattb on November 20, 2013, 10:22:12 PM
Post by: sawman on December 07, 2013, 06:48:38 PM
:cheers:
Post by: Monrogue on December 07, 2013, 06:51:54 PM
I've had my Wingman a couple days now and am loving it. I can't get over the quality per price.
:cheers:
That's what I think as well. For a $20 something multitool, it's pretty good imo :tu: Seems solid to me at least.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 07, 2013, 07:06:10 PM
For people who don't punish their MTs, I think they're almost perfect. Well, and if you're not left handed.
I now have a Sidekick, and have another Wingman on the way (Thanks to Aloha007!).
I also find that the Wingman seems to be available on sale VERY frequently, meaning it can often be had at about $20, a price at which it becomes a bargain.
Post by: Monrogue on December 07, 2013, 07:21:42 PM
Post by: sawman on December 07, 2013, 07:27:02 PM
Post by: Monrogue on December 07, 2013, 08:08:28 PM
I love how well the scissors work on the Wingman. This is like my dream multitool :drool:
Wow, you must really like it as well :tu: I feel it must be fairly close to being my dream as well seeing as I have carried it almost exclusively for weeks now.
Post by: CanadianLMfan on December 07, 2013, 11:20:10 PM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 09, 2013, 01:18:17 AM
In it's price range, I think it's an excellent tool. Are there tools with more features? Sure. And you pay for them. And if you don't NEED those features, then you're just paying for nothing useful.
Post by: Monrogue on December 09, 2013, 02:57:37 AM
Just because it doesn't suit YOUR needs doesn't mean it doesn't meet other folks' needs, and at a great price,
In it's price range, I think it's an excellent tool. Are there tools with more features? Sure. And you pay for them. And if you don't NEED those features, then you're just paying for nothing useful.
+1 :salute:
Post by: sawman on December 09, 2013, 03:20:13 AM
What they said. And a big fat :twak: for ripping on my favorite multitool... :DJust because it doesn't suit YOUR needs doesn't mean it doesn't meet other folks' needs, and at a great price,
In it's price range, I think it's an excellent tool. Are there tools with more features? Sure. And you pay for them. And if you don't NEED those features, then you're just paying for nothing useful.
+1 :salute:
Post by: Monrogue on December 09, 2013, 03:28:13 AM
What they said. And a big fat :twak: for ripping on my favorite multitool... :DJust because it doesn't suit YOUR needs doesn't mean it doesn't meet other folks' needs, and at a great price,
In it's price range, I think it's an excellent tool. Are there tools with more features? Sure. And you pay for them. And if you don't NEED those features, then you're just paying for nothing useful.
+1 :salute:
That's right! :rofl:
Post by: derekmac on December 09, 2013, 05:27:15 PM
I think the Wingman is a great tool but compared to the mass numbers of other MTs we have, it doesn't stand much of a chance.Maybe as a direct comparison, from people like us (MT nuts), no. I don't have one yet, but will be getting one in the near future. Will it be as well made as my SwissTool? No. Will it get more carry time? More than likely it will. It may even getting more carry time than my favorite carry, my TTi.
For the market it's aimed at, I think it stands the best chance.
Just because it doesn't suit YOUR needs doesn't mean it doesn't meet other folks' needs, and at a great price,Quoted for truth. :salute:
In it's price range, I think it's an excellent tool. Are there tools with more features? Sure. And you pay for them. And if you don't NEED those features, then you're just paying for nothing useful.
Post by: Monrogue on December 09, 2013, 06:07:47 PM
I think the Wingman is a great tool but compared to the mass numbers of other MTs we have, it doesn't stand much of a chance.Maybe as a direct comparison, from people like us (MT nuts), no. I don't have one yet, but will be getting one in the near future. Will it be as well made as my SwissTool? No. Will it get more carry time? More than likely it will. It may even getting more carry time than my favorite carry, my TTi.
For the market it's aimed at, I think it stands the best chance.
I agree Derek. I find it funny that of all the MTs I have, the cheapest and probably lowest quality (in comparison to the others, but still good quality imo), is the one I have carried the most out of any of them. I never expected that the Wingman would up-end my whole rotation. I expect that once I have the Sidekick, these two MTs will be my primary rotational carry, each paired with a SAK of course. I feel bad about not carrying my other two faves, the Rebar and Spirit, more frequently, but I just can't deny the convenience of the OHO blade and basic design. I prefer how they carry clipped in one of my back pockets as I don't feel the weight.
Post by: Zed on December 09, 2013, 06:08:15 PM
Post by: colt 1911 on December 09, 2013, 06:11:02 PM
Post by: Monrogue on December 09, 2013, 06:17:55 PM
Just wait till the driver folds on you, then come talk how great it is . :facepalm:
That would be my main potential issue, as I do prefer locking tools. However, I don't really use them enough to the point that it would happen enough to become an annoyance issue for me. While they don't exactly lock, they do snap into place fairly solidly, at least for my use so far :tu: I know I used to consider myself to really need locking drivers, etc., and that was my main gripe with the PST, but those don't snap into place as solidly as the Wingman's tools (or at least that's the case for me). As always though, everyones' usage varies, and not all can get along with non-locking tools, especially if you use them frequently.
Post by: Zed on December 09, 2013, 06:20:44 PM
Just wait till the driver folds on you, then come talk how great it is . :facepalm:
Hey they dont lock so expect that now and then,my original wave does it paratool plus its pliers,kick,and many more hence why my surge is my work mt,mt's are to get you out of a jam not as good as a dedicated tool but handy when needed :tu:
Post by: colt 1911 on December 09, 2013, 08:28:03 PM
Just wait till the driver folds on you, then come talk how great it is . :facepalm:
Hey they dont lock so expect that now and then,my original wave does it paratool plus its pliers,kick,and many more hence why my surge is my work mt,mt's are to get you out of a jam not as good as a dedicated tool but handy when needed :tu:
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Oh I understand completely, they just are not for me. There sure is a market for them.
Swiss Army knives .
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 09, 2013, 08:54:07 PM
Just wait till the driver folds on you, then come talk how great it is . :facepalm:
I guess this means we throw out the PST as well? It must be useless, the tools don't lock... right?
However... The retention on the Sidekick/Wingman seems to be considerably stronger than on the PSTs I've had, and all but the oldest PST have drivers designed to push the tool OPEN under pressure.
No, wait. Here's a better idea. I'll test it.
Here's the Sidekick's flat driver after being pressed into pine with about 100lbs of force (makes about a 1/8 inch dent)(EDIT: probably closer to 75lbs, see below). It didn't collapse, until I TRIED to make it collapse by pulling it the wrong way, then it... hit against the other handle. No problem. That, under what I'd call ABSURD levels of force.
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m208/lynnlefey/IMGP1584_zpsac6c635e.jpg)
So, under WAY more force than I'd ever put on a screwdriver, while INTENTIONALLY TRYING to get it to collapse, I succeeded, with no ill effect whatsoever. I'm calling that a complete BS argument. Sorry.
EDIT: trying this against a block of wood on my bathroom scale, I was able to get a reading of 118lbs of force.
EDIT part II: Also, I don't recommend trying this. it's like trying to do a pushup onto a screwdriver point. My palms are all bruised and mangled now.
Post by: Monrogue on December 09, 2013, 09:09:35 PM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 09, 2013, 09:15:10 PM
However, at anything like reasonable forces, it held solid.
Now that I'm thinking back on it... geez, I put over 100lbs of force on that joint pin. Wow. I'm impressed.
Post by: Monrogue on December 09, 2013, 09:30:54 PM
I COULD get the driver to collapse on that second test, just by flipping it to face a different direction, but then it also just safely hit the other side of the tool. My first measurement on the pressure was around 75lbs, which is about what felt like my first trial (not the 100 lbs I reported). But yeah, it held open at 118lbs, and that was a stupid amount of force that no one will actually ever apply to a screw. Maybe if you were trying to wedge something, but even then, not likely.
However, at anything like reasonable forces, it held solid.
Now that I'm thinking back on it... geez, I put over 100lbs of force on that joint pin. Wow. I'm impressed.
Thanks for the testing Lynn :salute: I think that helps show that these two tools aren't just throwaway entry level MTs. Certainly not heavy duty MTs, but they seem capable of handling the type of work for which a MT is intended :tu:
Post by: sawman on December 09, 2013, 09:45:01 PM
+1 :DI COULD get the driver to collapse on that second test, just by flipping it to face a different direction, but then it also just safely hit the other side of the tool. My first measurement on the pressure was around 75lbs, which is about what felt like my first trial (not the 100 lbs I reported). But yeah, it held open at 118lbs, and that was a stupid amount of force that no one will actually ever apply to a screw. Maybe if you were trying to wedge something, but even then, not likely.
However, at anything like reasonable forces, it held solid.
Now that I'm thinking back on it... geez, I put over 100lbs of force on that joint pin. Wow. I'm impressed.
Thanks for the testing Lynn :salute: I think that helps show that these two tools aren't just throwaway entry level MTs. Certainly not heavy duty MTs, but they seem capable of handling the type of work for which a MT is intended :tu:
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 09, 2013, 09:47:35 PM
It's a pretty fail-safe setup.
Post by: Monrogue on December 09, 2013, 10:01:50 PM
Post by: colt 1911 on December 09, 2013, 10:03:10 PM
Just wait till the driver folds on you, then come talk how great it is . :facepalm:
I guess this means we throw out the PST as well? It must be useless, the tools don't lock... right?
However... The retention on the Sidekick/Wingman seems to be considerably stronger than on the PSTs I've had, and all but the oldest PST have drivers designed to push the tool OPEN under pressure.
No, wait. Here's a better idea. I'll test it.
Here's the Sidekick's flat driver after being pressed into pine with about 100lbs of force (makes about a 1/8 inch dent). It didn't collapse, until I TRIED to make it collapse by pulling it the wrong way, then it... hit against the other handle. No problem. That, under what I'd call ABSURD levels of force.
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m208/lynnlefey/IMGP1584_zpsac6c635e.jpg)
So, under WAY more force than I'd ever put on a screwdriver, while INTENTIONALLY TRYING to get it to collapse, I succeeded, with no ill effect whatsoever. I'm calling that a complete BS argument. Sorry.
EDIT: trying this against a block of wood on my bathroom scale, I was able to get a reading of 118lbs of force.
EDIT part II: Also, I don't recommend trying this. it's like trying to do a pushup onto a screwdriver point. My palms are all bruised and mangled now.
Apply it in the real world. There is a reason why they are cheap. What's BS is hyping up a tool that is entry level at best.
Swiss Army knives .
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 09, 2013, 10:29:57 PM
Can the drivers be forced to collapse under heavy pressure? Yes. Is it likely under reasonable, and even some pretty unreasonable use? No. Are you going to be 'bitten' by the tool if they collapse? No. I don't think much else matters. Sorry if that's not 'real world' enough for you.
EDIT: Also, please feel free to ignore this thread if it somehow offends your sensibility. I think we all get the idea you're not a fan.
Post by: colt 1911 on December 09, 2013, 11:05:12 PM
I'm just going to ignore that, and assume the test will speak for itself.
Can the drivers be forced to collapse under heavy pressure? Yes. Is it likely under reasonable, and even some pretty unreasonable use? No. Are you going to be 'bitten' by the tool if they collapse? No. I don't think much else matters. Sorry if that's not 'real world' enough for you.
EDIT: Also, please feel free to ignore this thread if it somehow offends your sensibility. I think we all get the idea you're not a fan.
Why are you so mad about it ? You have your opinion I have mine. I haven't attacked you in anyway, Yet you would like me to leave the thread. There are huge debates on MTO so what's the problem.
Swiss Army knives .
Post by: CanadianLMfan on December 09, 2013, 11:06:45 PM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 09, 2013, 11:07:37 PM
Why are you so mad about it ? Truth hurts ?
Is there a reason you're trying to pick a fight with this?
CanadaLMfan... I don't think they'll fit.
Post by: Gareth on December 09, 2013, 11:10:51 PM
Post by: CanadianLMfan on December 09, 2013, 11:13:12 PM
Why are you so mad about it ? Truth hurts ?
Is there a reason you're trying to pick a fight with this?
CanadaLMfan... I don't think they'll fit.
You quoted my username wrong! :pok:
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 09, 2013, 11:17:41 PM
CanadianLMfan.
Hardly the worst I've ever mangled someone's username. :facepalm:
Post by: colt 1911 on December 09, 2013, 11:20:38 PM
Swiss Army knives .
Post by: dilldoe on December 10, 2013, 06:17:10 AM
love it EXCEPT for the wiggle when closed. Here's my 2 cent mod to fix that annoying wiggle.
Had leftover ring terminal (I got a box of these for cheap at walmart years ago in the auto section)
so took my new leatherman wingman pliers and just snapped off the crimp section (the yellow part) so I just had the ring. Slip that under the flathead screw driver so when it's closed the ring will slip under the plastic cutter on the opposite side.
(http://i.imgur.com/wjpp9tYl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gjLWL8pl.jpg)
No more wiggle and it just feels super solid now. Plan on flatten out the crimp section and drilling a hole in it so I can remove the washer under the flathead and replace it with the new ring terminal. This way I can swivel it out of the way when it's open.
Post by: stealth007s on December 10, 2013, 08:19:33 AM
Post by: colt 1911 on December 10, 2013, 03:23:26 PM
Alright, I am done,
well check out post 366, get the point.
Swiss Army knives .
Post by: jsutter on December 10, 2013, 04:10:29 PM
I missed having it in my backpack and when I saw that Amazon had them for $19 and change had to pick up another. It in currently in the post.
No, it is not the best multi-tool I own, but for the price it can't be beat. The new one will stay in the backpack and if it gets damaged, lost, or stolen I am not to worried about it. Can I say that about my other multi-tools? No. Overall, I think it is a big win from LM. It is inexpensive, lightweight, has all of the basic tools, and is all stainless construction (none of those cheap feeling plastic liners).
If the Wingman was made by one of the off brand manufacturers, it could really be put into the "cheap and cheerful" section at the current price (in the U.S. and Canada) and people would be singing it praises. But it's not, it is made by LM and comes with the LM warranty included in the price.
I feel like if you don't like this tool you probably won't be happy with anything that is not a top of the line multi.
Post by: Monrogue on December 10, 2013, 05:02:15 PM
Oh, and I hope to be double joined to this club as I should be getting my Sidekick today :D Is there some kind of perk/reward for having multiple entries to the club? :whistle:
Post by: stealth007s on December 10, 2013, 05:05:16 PM
Is there some kind of perk/reward for having multiple entries to the club? :whistle:
Yeah, you get one of these :twak:
:rofl:
Post by: colt 1911 on December 10, 2013, 05:06:58 PM
Mine has a slight wiggle when closed (which I think I mentioned when I first got it), but it doesn't bother me now. It's really not bad, and I don't place this issue on the Wingman/Sidekick lineup alone. I've experienced this in many LMs, and it's a LM QC issue I would say, and not indicitive of the quality of the Wingman/Sidekick in comparison to higher end tools like the Charges (my TTi has a slight wiggle as well as all Juices I've owned, and the Rebar).
Oh, and I hope to be double joined to this club as I should be getting my Sidekick today :D Is there some kind of perk/reward for having multiple entries to the club? :whistle:
Well if you like the wingman I think you will like the sidekick, now you can switch the tools if you like.
Post by: colt 1911 on December 10, 2013, 05:08:11 PM
Is there some kind of perk/reward for having multiple entries to the club? :whistle:
Yeah, you get one of these :twak:
:rofl:
And double from me :twak: :twak:
Post by: Monrogue on December 10, 2013, 05:11:23 PM
Is there some kind of perk/reward for having multiple entries to the club? :whistle:
Yeah, you get one of these :twak:
:rofl:
Hey! I thought that was the Canadian reward :think:
Well if you like the wingman I think you will like the sidekick, now you can switch the tools if you like.
Yup, you know me well ;) I think I will primarily have a two week rotation now, swapping between the Wingman/Ranger combo, and the Sidekick/Yeochamp combo. I still carry the KF4, PST and SOG PPP evenings at home. I do need to figure in the Rebar and Spirit though somewhere :think: I think I'm going to put my Charge TTi and bit kit in our car as it's the primary vehicle, but I have to put something in our SUV as well, but not sure what...maybe my other PST.
Post by: Monrogue on December 10, 2013, 05:11:50 PM
Is there some kind of perk/reward for having multiple entries to the club? :whistle:
Yeah, you get one of these :twak:
:rofl:
And double from me :twak: :twak:
Double Hey!! :rofl:
Post by: stealth007s on December 10, 2013, 05:13:35 PM
Hey! I thought that was the Canadian reward :think:
Nope, special delivery from Texas :tu:
Post by: derekmac on December 10, 2013, 05:14:04 PM
How about I poke your twak! :pok: :twak:Is there some kind of perk/reward for having multiple entries to the club? :whistle:
Yeah, you get one of these :twak:
:rofl:
And double from me :twak: :twak:
Double Hey!! :rofl:
Post by: derekmac on December 10, 2013, 05:14:35 PM
Shouldn't he be smoking a cigar then? :DHey! I thought that was the Canadian reward :think:
Nope, special delivery from Texas :tu:
Post by: stealth007s on December 10, 2013, 05:15:27 PM
Shouldn't he be smoking a cigar then? :D
We shall see :D
Post by: Monrogue on December 10, 2013, 05:17:26 PM
Hey! I thought that was the Canadian reward :think:
Nope, special delivery from Texas :tu:
Well it got here awful fast ;)
Post by: Monrogue on December 10, 2013, 05:18:20 PM
How about I poke your twak! :pok: :twak:Is there some kind of perk/reward for having multiple entries to the club? :whistle:
Yeah, you get one of these :twak:
:rofl:
And double from me :twak: :twak:
Double Hey!! :rofl:
Hey, let's keep it family friendly :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Monrogue on December 10, 2013, 05:18:52 PM
Shouldn't he be smoking a cigar then? :D
We shall see :D
Yes we shall :D
Post by: derekmac on December 10, 2013, 05:25:02 PM
:rofl: :rofl: I did mean the twaker :twak: should be smoking the cigar, but I forgot you were sending Kyle a package. Whoops!! :DShouldn't he be smoking a cigar then? :D
We shall see :D
Yes we shall :D
I was going to Google "twak smoking cigar", but I was afraid of what might pop up! :ahhh :ahhh
Post by: Monrogue on December 10, 2013, 05:31:00 PM
:rofl: :rofl: I did mean the twaker :twak: should be smoking the cigar, but I forgot you were sending Kyle a package. Whoops!! :DShouldn't he be smoking a cigar then? :D
We shall see :D
Yes we shall :D
I was going to Google "twak smoking cigar", but I was afraid of what might pop up! :ahhh :ahhh
Haha, yeah, there should be a cigar smoking emoticon for Terry, that would be cool :tu: And yes, it is probably a good idea not to Google that phrase, especially if you're at work, or the wife is nearby :ahhh :rofl:
Post by: stealth007s on December 10, 2013, 06:12:05 PM
Haha, yeah, there should be a cigar smoking emoticon for Terry, that would be cool :tu: And yes, it is probably a good idea not to Google that phrase, especially if you're at work, or the wife is nearby :ahhh :rofl:
I use to put a cigar smoking smiley with every post until I hit the NLC. Check out some of my earlier posts in my profile.
Sent from Endor via an Ewok
Post by: Monrogue on December 10, 2013, 09:51:33 PM
Haha, yeah, there should be a cigar smoking emoticon for Terry, that would be cool :tu: And yes, it is probably a good idea not to Google that phrase, especially if you're at work, or the wife is nearby :ahhh :rofl:
I use to put a cigar smoking smiley with every post until I hit the NLC. Check out some of my earlier posts in my profile.
Sent from Endor via an Ewok
Perhaps I saw that then, like when I first became a member. I do remember you having 900+ posts at that time as you were working on your post count if I remember your sig correctly ;) I don't remember the cigar smiley, but that doesn't mean anything as you may not have had it much longer after I joined up.
Post by: derekmac on December 10, 2013, 09:55:29 PM
I remember it. I also remember thinking "Why does he always have a guy smoking a cigar on his posts", then I found out he's madly in love with cigars and it all made sense! :D
Haha, yeah, there should be a cigar smoking emoticon for Terry, that would be cool :tu: And yes, it is probably a good idea not to Google that phrase, especially if you're at work, or the wife is nearby :ahhh :rofl:
I use to put a cigar smoking smiley with every post until I hit the NLC. Check out some of my earlier posts in my profile.
Sent from Endor via an Ewok
Perhaps I saw that then, like when I first became a member. I do remember you having 900+ posts at that time as you were working on your post count if I remember your sig correctly ;) I don't remember the cigar smiley, but that doesn't mean anything as you may not have had it much longer after I joined up.
Speaking of cigars, I thought I had smoked all my bigger Cubans that I brought home, but I found one last night and it's pretty dry. :cry: Is there anyway I can get it back to life so I can smoke it?
Post by: Monrogue on December 10, 2013, 10:13:07 PM
Post by: stealth007s on December 10, 2013, 10:19:47 PM
Speaking of cigars, I thought I had smoked all my bigger Cubans that I brought home, but I found one last night and it's pretty dry. :cry: Is there anyway I can get it back to life so I can smoke it?
You can put it in a Rubbermade or Tupperware container with a shot glass with distilled water in it and a damp sponge soaked in distilled water. Seal the container and leave it set for about a month. Keep checking on the sponge and shot glass to make sure they have ample distilled water in both. Try not to handle the cigar too much though as you may damage it from being brittle and dry. I hope this helps because good Cubans are hard to come by.
Sent from Endor via an Ewok
Post by: sawman on December 10, 2013, 10:31:56 PM
Post by: derekmac on December 10, 2013, 10:40:14 PM
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!! You're a cigar saver!!! :hatsoff: I'm going to go and do that right now.Speaking of cigars, I thought I had smoked all my bigger Cubans that I brought home, but I found one last night and it's pretty dry. :cry: Is there anyway I can get it back to life so I can smoke it?
You can put it in a Rubbermade or Tupperware container with a shot glass with distilled water in it and a damp sponge soaked in distilled water. Seal the container and leave it set for about a month. Keep checking on the sponge and shot glass to make sure they have ample distilled water in both. Try not to handle the cigar too much though as you may damage it from being brittle and dry. I hope this helps because good Cubans are hard to come by.
Sent from Endor via an Ewok
Please return to the regular scheduled Wingman/Sidekick discussion. :D
Post by: stealth007s on December 10, 2013, 10:44:01 PM
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!! You're a cigar saver!!! :hatsoff: I'm going to go and do that right now.
Please return to the regular scheduled Wingman/Sidekick discussion. :D
:D
Sent from Endor via an Ewok
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 10, 2013, 10:58:24 PM
I was just curious, has anyone here attached a lanyard to the Sidekick or Wingman? It would need a small split ring it appears but might be worth it... :think:
You can also attach a lanyard like this, if you use smallish cord...
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m208/lynnlefey/Winglan.jpg)
Post by: sawman on December 10, 2013, 11:04:38 PM
That's neat. Thanks Lynn! :DI was just curious, has anyone here attached a lanyard to the Sidekick or Wingman? It would need a small split ring it appears but might be worth it... :think:
You can also attach a lanyard like this, if you use smallish cord...
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m208/lynnlefey/Winglan.jpg)
Post by: Zed on December 10, 2013, 11:29:13 PM
Post by: Monrogue on December 11, 2013, 04:23:43 AM
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_153324_482_zpse3e6c929.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_153324_482_zpse3e6c929.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_153354_216_zps44644c21.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_153354_216_zps44644c21.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_153617_599_zps18b94caf.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_153617_599_zps18b94caf.jpg.html)
Siblings united :D
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_153755_437_zpsc827cbdd.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_153755_437_zpsc827cbdd.jpg.html)
Showing their differences:
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_153911_275_zps582139d6.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_153911_275_zps582139d6.jpg.html)
Post by: Monrogue on December 11, 2013, 04:41:02 AM
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_222851_467_zpsf9bb236a.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_222851_467_zpsf9bb236a.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_222749_472_zps4f1e3e07.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_222749_472_zps4f1e3e07.jpg.html)
I don't think it did quite as well ;)
Post by: colt 1911 on December 11, 2013, 03:23:14 PM
Here I'm trying to recreate what I did with the OHMasterRT last night with the Christmas tree light effect:
I don't think it did quite as well ;)
Not even close ! The RT was awesome. So how do you like the sidekick ?
Post by: Monrogue on December 11, 2013, 03:37:47 PM
Here I'm trying to recreate what I did with the OHMasterRT last night with the Christmas tree light effect:
I don't think it did quite as well ;)
Not even close ! The RT was awesome. So how do you like the sidekick ?
Yeah, the Vic blades are so reflective and make for much better pics with those effects. I like it just as well as the Wingman. I think the Wingman would be the better stand alone tool for me since it has scissors, but since I rarely only carry one item, that isn't much of a factor. If I were to do a 30 day challenge though, it would be the Wingman more than likely. I should try a challenge with a tool without scissors, just to see how badly I really need them, or if I just think I do ;)
Post by: colt 1911 on December 11, 2013, 04:18:14 PM
Here I'm trying to recreate what I did with the OHMasterRT last night with the Christmas tree light effect:
I don't think it did quite as well ;)
Not even close ! The RT was awesome. So how do you like the sidekick ?
Yeah, the Vic blades are so reflective and make for much better pics with those effects. I like it just as well as the Wingman. I think the Wingman would be the better stand alone tool for me since it has scissors, but since I rarely only carry one item, that isn't much of a factor. If I were to do a 30 day challenge though, it would be the Wingman more than likely. I should try a challenge with a tool without scissors, just to see how badly I really need them, or if I just think I do ;)
I've been carrying the wenger diplomat around a lot, it is just a knife, scissors and nail file. It compliments MT without scissors nicely.
Post by: stealth007s on December 11, 2013, 07:42:43 PM
Here I'm trying to recreate what I did with the OHMasterRT last night with the Christmas tree light effect:
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_222851_467_zpsf9bb236a.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_222851_467_zpsf9bb236a.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_222749_472_zps4f1e3e07.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_222749_472_zps4f1e3e07.jpg.html)
I don't think it did quite as well ;)
That still does look 8) Kyle :tu: Nice to see you have both the Sidekick and Wingman................ You can now step into the portal...............
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Monrogue on December 11, 2013, 08:32:31 PM
Post by: colt 1911 on December 11, 2013, 09:38:07 PM
Thanks Terry :salute: Now with their powers combined, I can do......stuff :rofl:
Wonder twins powers activate !
Swiss Army knives .
Post by: Monrogue on December 11, 2013, 09:42:34 PM
Thanks Terry :salute: Now with their powers combined, I can do......stuff :rofl:
Wonder twins powers activate !
Swiss Army knives .
:rofl:
Post by: Gareth on December 11, 2013, 11:10:46 PM
Here I'm trying to recreate what I did with the OHMasterRT last night with the Christmas tree light effect:
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_222851_467_zpsf9bb236a.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_222851_467_zpsf9bb236a.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_222749_472_zps4f1e3e07.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_222749_472_zps4f1e3e07.jpg.html)
I don't think it did quite as well ;)
You've been killing Smurfs and Elves? :ahhh
Post by: Zed on December 11, 2013, 11:13:54 PM
Here I'm trying to recreate what I did with the OHMasterRT last night with the Christmas tree light effect:
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_222851_467_zpsf9bb236a.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_222851_467_zpsf9bb236a.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_222749_472_zps4f1e3e07.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20131210_222749_472_zps4f1e3e07.jpg.html)
I don't think it did quite as well ;)
You've been killing Smurfs and Elves? :ahhh
:rofl: :ahhh papa smurf run :ahhh
Post by: Monrogue on December 12, 2013, 02:43:36 AM
Post by: CanadianLMfan on December 12, 2013, 02:47:15 AM
They did not bow to me, so punishment had to be dealt :viking:
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Post by: Gareth on December 12, 2013, 02:56:39 AM
They did not bow to me, so punishment had to be dealt :viking::surrender:
Post by: Monrogue on December 12, 2013, 03:08:40 AM
Post by: dilldoe on December 16, 2013, 06:28:01 AM
This is a simple mod/fix that cost nothing.
There are 2 method, temporary and permanent (sorta). Temp will allow you to remove the mod with no tools and permanent will require tools to remove.
Ok, first the temporary mod.
You'll need a PC expansion slot cover, preferably one that doesn't have a chrome coating (because those are too thick)
(http://i.imgur.com/eDoMEXg.jpg)
yours might look different, without the holes, but it shouldn't matter.
Tools:
Metal Nibbler (or dremel with cutoff disk or any metal cutting tool)
2 Torx Screwdriver with T10 bit (only needed for permanent version)
(http://i.imgur.com/gy5mdvL.jpg)
optional: metal file or grinding wheel & pliers
Ok you need to cut this part out of the Expansion slot cover and then cut off the red part.
(http://i.imgur.com/VX2J0XW.jpg)
Depending on how you cut your part, you might need to file/grind down the edges to remove any burrs.
With your finish piece you want to insert it under the flathead screwdriver bit.
(http://i.imgur.com/PXAC4SJ.jpg)
The curve should butt up against the washer/joint
Like so...
(http://i.imgur.com/RADgkHr.jpg)
When closed the tab should fit under the plastic/box cutter tool. You might have to adjust it so that it'll clear the screw/joint.
This is an outer view on how it should be on the inside.
(http://i.imgur.com/8voiEfW.jpg)
The only problem with this is that it'll fall out when you use the flathead screwdriver bit. So you might lose it in the field when working with flathead screws. If you like this mod, you can always do the permanent version.
Ok, now to the Permanent version...
You have to remove the Torx screw that are holding the screwdriver bits. You'll need two T10 Torx screwdriver because the bottom one turns when you try to unscrew the top.
Once you have the screw out, take out the screwdriver bits & the washer. You don't need the washer anymore, so store it somewhere safe.
Now with the screw driver bit trace the contour on the expansion slot cover. Use the long, lower Torx screw and put it in the holes to line them up.
(http://i.imgur.com/GVGewSq.jpg)
Now cut it out and file/grind the edges.
(http://i.imgur.com/fPNv2eA.jpg)
Now reassemble your bits. Tab on the bottom, Flathead screwdriver & Phillips driver.
(http://i.imgur.com/EKgGuyi.jpg)
Afterwards open your screwdriver bits. if they're hard to open, loosen the torx with half a turn until the bits can turn freely.
Again the tab should fit under the plastic/box cutter when you close it. (not fully closed in pic)
(http://i.imgur.com/prRGcAD.jpg)
if you still get a minor 'wiggle' use a pair of pliers and bend the tab up slightly. This way it'll make better contact with the plastic/box cutter. Some expansion slot covers already has a slight bend on it so depends on what kind you have, you may or may not have to adjust.
Here's the Wingman opened, the tab doesn't stick out that much to get in the way of anything.
(http://i.imgur.com/gxqdSra.jpg)
Temp version took me about 15mins, permanent version took about 30mins. The metal nibbler made cutting the parts out fast and used a dremel grinding stone to remove the burrs. Depending on what you use, it might take you longer or shorter, but still relatively easy to do.
Technically you can use the wingman's plier to bend and break off the expansion slot cover and the file to smooth it. It won't look as nice, but it'll still work and cost you nothing if you have no other tools.
Post by: Monrogue on December 16, 2013, 02:45:05 PM
Post by: Zed on December 16, 2013, 06:42:40 PM
Post by: whyedc on December 17, 2013, 01:49:15 AM
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Post by: Monrogue on December 17, 2013, 02:47:02 AM
Brand new Sidekick and Croc combo owner.
Sent from my not yet outdated Galaxy Note 2 via Tapatalk!
Welcome to the club :cheers:
Post by: sawman on December 17, 2013, 05:44:16 AM
Post by: Monrogue on December 17, 2013, 02:58:13 PM
I was just remarking in another thread how well the clam shell opener worked for me today. It saved me from painfully using scissors and still not getting the package opened adequately.
That thing is pretty sharp, and convenient for that frustrating type of packaging. I think the small serrated blade on the Sidekick would be good for that as well. I guess I'll likely get to test that out on Christmas, unless I decide to carry the Wingman that day just to use the package opener...that would make sense after all ;)
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 17, 2013, 04:55:21 PM
Post by: Monrogue on December 17, 2013, 08:12:53 PM
Nah, we all know how well the package opener works. You need to test how well the small serrated blade works. Dammit, man... this is SCIENCE! :D
Well, in the interest of science and the love of testing our multitool implements, I will carry the Sidekick in case there are any clamshell packages to open :D
Post by: dilldoe on December 17, 2013, 09:30:18 PM
I was just remarking in another thread how well the clam shell opener worked for me today. It saved me from painfully using scissors and still not getting the package opened adequately.
That thing is pretty sharp, and convenient for that frustrating type of packaging. I think the small serrated blade on the Sidekick would be good for that as well. I guess I'll likely get to test that out on Christmas, unless I decide to carry the Wingman that day just to use the package opener...that would make sense after all ;)
I really don't like open that bit. weary of slicing open my thumb trying to rotate it out with all the other bits (can opener & file) stuck to it. or is there a special, secret way of just opening one bit at a time?
Post by: derekmac on December 18, 2013, 01:10:26 AM
Nah, we all know how well the package opener works. You need to test how well the small serrated blade works. Dammit, man... this is SCIENCE! :DI don't, which is another great reason I need to get me a Wingman!
Post by: Monrogue on December 18, 2013, 04:27:37 AM
I was just remarking in another thread how well the clam shell opener worked for me today. It saved me from painfully using scissors and still not getting the package opened adequately.
That thing is pretty sharp, and convenient for that frustrating type of packaging. I think the small serrated blade on the Sidekick would be good for that as well. I guess I'll likely get to test that out on Christmas, unless I decide to carry the Wingman that day just to use the package opener...that would make sense after all ;)
I really don't like open that bit. weary of slicing open my thumb trying to rotate it out with all the other bits (can opener & file) stuck to it. or is there a special, secret way of just opening one bit at a time?
There's no special way as far as I know. I have that same worry as well, and even moreso with the serrated blade in that same spot in the Sidekick. Hasn't been a problem for me yet, but it's something to be watchful of.
Nah, we all know how well the package opener works. You need to test how well the small serrated blade works. Dammit, man... this is SCIENCE! :DI don't, which is another great reason I need to get me a Wingman!
Yes, Derek, yes it is :pok: >:D
Post by: PPCAPache on December 30, 2013, 11:26:01 AM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/30/bavaju8u.jpg)
Sent from my GT-N5110 using Tapatalk
Post by: gregpost on January 02, 2014, 04:05:16 AM
Post by: Kampfer on January 02, 2014, 06:56:27 AM
It is ironic that the ONLY clam shells I have trouble opening is the Leatherman ones, and they designed a special purpose tool to open their own shells.
Post by: Mango808 on January 02, 2014, 12:05:44 PM
Post by: Monrogue on January 02, 2014, 03:08:21 PM
Post by: gregpost on January 02, 2014, 06:42:13 PM
Welcome to the forum Gregpost and Mango808, and welcome to this club as well :cheers:
Thanks
Post by: Mango808 on January 02, 2014, 06:58:51 PM
Welcome to the forum Gregpost and Mango808, and welcome to this club as well :cheers:Thanks for the welcome.
Forgot to add the pics. Wingman, Croc, Sidekick
Post by: PPCAPache on January 03, 2014, 11:45:51 AM
(http://imageshack.com/a/img138/9965/v5av.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img845/5045/y1zk.jpg)
Post by: Monrogue on January 03, 2014, 04:35:27 PM
Post by: PPCAPache on January 05, 2014, 02:42:02 PM
That's a nice combo of goodies PPCAPache :tu: How do you like the Wingman/Sidekick?
Hey Monrogue,
When I got my Wingman it was just another Leatherman as I had $50 bucks burning a whole in my pocket from Christmas and as the Wingman was $49.95 AUD it was a perfect match. It wasn't until I got home from town and got to have a look at it and used it - So far I love the Spring loaded pliers, the Scissors are so-so I have the Surge which is my main go to EDC Scissors and I have the Micra as back up. Hence the Sidekick is a better fit for me, I like the plain edge knife and Saw. The size and shape of both is great and the pocket clip is another big bonus.
For a budget MT it is a nice tool, so I have my Surge for the Heavy stuff, my Rebar is now in my EDC car kit with the Z-Rex and my Sidekick will be carried in my back right pants pocket for those times I need a fast and easy approach, put it this way the Sidekick is carried with me everyday weekends included, starting to feel naked with out it.
I have now given my Wingman to my wife to have in her handbag as it has Scissors and a small knife it meets all her needs, she does have a Keyring SAK Classic (yuck).
(http://imageshack.com/a/img138/9965/v5av.jpg)
Post by: Monrogue on January 06, 2014, 01:05:49 AM
That's a nice combo of goodies PPCAPache :tu: How do you like the Wingman/Sidekick?
Hey Monrogue,
When I got my Wingman it was just another Leatherman as I had $50 bucks burning a whole in my pocket from Christmas and as the Wingman was $49.95 AUD it was a perfect match. It wasn't until I got home from town and got to have a look at it and used it - So far I love the Spring loaded pliers, the Scissors are so-so I have the Surge which is my main go to EDC Scissors and I have the Micra as back up. Hence the Sidekick is a better fit for me, I like the plain edge knife and Saw. The size and shape of both is great and the pocket clip is another big bonus.
For a budget MT it is a nice tool, so I have my Surge for the Heavy stuff, my Rebar is now in my EDC car kit with the Z-Rex and my Sidekick will be carried in my back right pants pocket for those times I need a fast and easy approach, put it this way the Sidekick is carried with me everyday weekends included, starting to feel naked with out it.
I have now given my Wingman to my wife to have in her handbag as it has Scissors and a small knife it meets all her needs, she does have a Keyring SAK Classic (yuck).
(http://imageshack.com/a/img138/9965/v5av.jpg)
Yeah, they are better tools than I initially thought they'd be, or at least for my level of usage they are. I think I'd like a hybrid between them for a standalone multitool, not that I ever really carry only one item ::) I would switch the knife blades I think. That way I have the plain edge blade, scissors and package opener. Although I do like the small serrated blade of the Sidekick, which could be more useful overall compared to the package opener, which is a more specifically designed tool. I could see it being potentially useful in other ways maybe. Either way, they're both great as far as I'm concerned. Glad you like yours :D
Post by: sir_mike on January 06, 2014, 01:39:49 AM
To me that would be a great Urban EDC MT. I like the serrated blade better than the package opener and think is it more useful even though it is kinda small. :D
I wish I had a Wingman or the scissors to do that with!
Post by: Monrogue on January 06, 2014, 02:27:47 AM
I would take the scissors off the Wingman and put them on the Sidekick in place of the saw!
To me that would be a great Urban EDC MT. I like the serrated blade better than the package opener and think is it more useful even though it is kinda small. :D
I wish I had a Wingman or the scissors to do that with!
That was my first thought actually :tu: It basically comes down to preference between the package opener and small serrated blade. Overall I think the serrated blade could prove more useful, and it can even work as a package opener anyway.
Post by: CanadianLMfan on January 06, 2014, 02:34:14 AM
I would take the scissors off the Wingman and put them on the Sidekick in place of the saw!
To me that would be a great Urban EDC MT. I like the serrated blade better than the package opener and think is it more useful even though it is kinda small. :D
I wish I had a Wingman or the scissors to do that with!
That was my first thought actually :tu: It basically comes down to preference between the package opener and small serrated blade. Overall I think the serrated blade could prove more useful, and it can even work as a package opener anyway.
I would choose the package opener because the serrated blade is a bit short and I don't use it either.
Post by: sir_mike on January 06, 2014, 05:37:38 AM
I would take the scissors off the Wingman and put them on the Sidekick in place of the saw!
To me that would be a great Urban EDC MT. I like the serrated blade better than the package opener and think is it more useful even though it is kinda small. :D
I wish I had a Wingman or the scissors to do that with!
That was my first thought actually :tu: It basically comes down to preference between the package opener and small serrated blade. Overall I think the serrated blade could prove more useful, and it can even work as a package opener anyway.
The serrated blade might be short but it will cut rope, cardboard, a package or whatever and I just think it is a better tool than the package opener. :D
I will be using the serrated blade to open packages especially clamshell items as I think the smaller blade is easier to control the cut!
I dont see any use for the saw on the Sidekick and I dont like the little combo blade on the Wingman but I guess if you could get a MT with just the tools you want, Leatherman and Victorinox would not make much money, would they? LOL
Post by: Monrogue on January 06, 2014, 05:45:22 AM
I would take the scissors off the Wingman and put them on the Sidekick in place of the saw!
To me that would be a great Urban EDC MT. I like the serrated blade better than the package opener and think is it more useful even though it is kinda small. :D
I wish I had a Wingman or the scissors to do that with!
That was my first thought actually :tu: It basically comes down to preference between the package opener and small serrated blade. Overall I think the serrated blade could prove more useful, and it can even work as a package opener anyway.
The serrated blade might be short but it will cut rope, cardboard, a package or whatever and I just think it is a better tool than the package opener. :D
I will be using the serrated blade to open packages especially clamshell items as I think the smaller blade is easier to control the cut!
I dont see any use for the saw on the Sidekick and I dont like the little combo blade on the Wingman but I guess if you could get a MT with just the tools you want, Leatherman and Victorinox would not make much money, would they? LOL
Exactly :tu: The serrated blade can work fine as a clamshell opener, and still be useful for a variety of cutting tasks while the package opener would not. That is true as well, these companies wouldn't make much money if they created the one perfect MT. Just like the Wingman/Sidekick each have something we want, but neither is complete on their own in a sense, without a little "aftermarket" work ;) If I were brave or experienced in modding, I would make an attempt to swap the saw and scissors between them...but I'm not sure I am that brave ;)
Post by: Kampfer on January 06, 2014, 06:01:22 AM
Post by: sir_mike on January 06, 2014, 07:08:06 AM
I would take the scissors off the Wingman and put them on the Sidekick in place of the saw!
To me that would be a great Urban EDC MT. I like the serrated blade better than the package opener and think is it more useful even though it is kinda small. :D
I wish I had a Wingman or the scissors to do that with!
That was my first thought actually :tu: It basically comes down to preference between the package opener and small serrated blade. Overall I think the serrated blade could prove more useful, and it can even work as a package opener anyway.
The serrated blade might be short but it will cut rope, cardboard, a package or whatever and I just think it is a better tool than the package opener. :D
I will be using the serrated blade to open packages especially clamshell items as I think the smaller blade is easier to control the cut!
I dont see any use for the saw on the Sidekick and I dont like the little combo blade on the Wingman but I guess if you could get a MT with just the tools you want, Leatherman and Victorinox would not make much money, would they? LOL
Exactly :tu: The serrated blade can work fine as a clamshell opener, and still be useful for a variety of cutting tasks while the package opener would not. That is true as well, these companies wouldn't make much money if they created the one perfect MT. Just like the Wingman/Sidekick each have something we want, but neither is complete on their own in a sense, without a little "aftermarket" work ;) If I were brave or experienced in modding, I would make an attempt to swap the saw and scissors between them...but I'm not sure I am that brave ;)
If I had a pair of those Wingman scissors, I might try the mod thing too but I too am not sure if I am brave enough to do it myself! :)
Post by: Zed on January 06, 2014, 08:21:21 AM
Post by: Monrogue on January 06, 2014, 03:05:59 PM
I pair my sidekick with my micra and carry them in my backpack in my maxpedition mini organizer, i still really like the sidekick, yes its not the perfect mt but does that existed for many of us :D for the money its great plus still got leathermans warranty,my only gripe is the up and down play in the blade but i can live with it and if it gets worse ill send it in :tu:
Oh yeah, I'm definitely covered for scissors with my SAK :tu: While I have both the Wingman and Sidekick, I don't think I'd attempt the tool swap. For one, I would void the warranty (not that I'd be out tons of money considering how cheap these MTs are). And two, the only purpose for me swapping them would be to make it more idea as a standalone carry MT. I have to be honest and say that I never only carry one item, even on lazy days at home. If I did, it would likely be a SAK anyway, or a lighter MT like a Juice or PST. This only happens in the summer at home when I'm in gym shorts. I'm content to just rotate between the two (well, and now my new BO Rebar as well ;))
Post by: gregpost on January 07, 2014, 10:13:36 PM
Post by: SupraFreak13 on January 08, 2014, 03:24:29 AM
I really like the spring loaded action. The larger scissors seem nice, and I don't mind the combo blade. It seems a good size/weight for pocket carry with the clip, which I'll try as an alternative to my Wave sheath kit.
The con's to me are:
1. I think they could have made the phillips driver more 3D.
2. My plier head hinge has some play, which makes the two handles have side to side play when closed. I noticed this when I first tried to one hand open the blade, I felt the two handles "twist" in my hand as they slid side to side on each other. Not sure if this is usual fitment quality for the low budget range tools? or maybe I have a fault with mine. My wave is rock solid with no play in the plier head hinge at any position.
Do other wingman owners have this play in the hinge?
Post by: Monrogue on January 08, 2014, 04:10:45 AM
I received my wingman today in the mail. To me it's a medium duty MT with a good all around tool selection.
I really like the spring loaded action. The larger scissors seem nice, and I don't mind the combo blade. It seems a good size/weight for pocket carry with the clip, which I'll try as an alternative to my Wave sheath kit.
The con's to me are:
1. I think they could have made the phillips driver more 3D.
2. My plier head hinge has some play, which makes the two handles have side to side play when closed. I noticed this when I first tried to one hand open the blade, I felt the two handles "twist" in my hand as they slid side to side on each other. Not sure if this is usual fitment quality for the low budget range tools? or maybe I have a fault with mine. My wave is rock solid with no play in the plier head hinge at any position.
Do other wingman owners have this play in the hinge?
Both my Wingman and Sidekick have that play you are describing. I'm beginning to think it's the norm, but I'm not sure. Doesn't bother me though as everything still works fine.
Post by: Kampfer on January 08, 2014, 05:28:55 AM
Do other wingman owners have this play in the hinge?I owned 3 Sidekicks and 1 Wingman, all are like that.
Post by: SupraFreak13 on January 08, 2014, 04:46:10 PM
I owned 3 Sidekicks and 1 Wingman, all are like that.
Both my Wingman and Sidekick have that play you are describing. I'm beginning to think it's the norm, but I'm not sure. Doesn't bother me though as everything still works fine.
I guess that's the difference in the $30 tool range, and the $60+ multitools. Yes everything works well enough it seems, just didn't inspire confidence to me when I grabbed the handles and feel them twist inside my hand. I'm going to start carrying it on my pocket and try to put it to work.
Post by: Monrogue on January 08, 2014, 06:25:44 PM
I owned 3 Sidekicks and 1 Wingman, all are like that.
Both my Wingman and Sidekick have that play you are describing. I'm beginning to think it's the norm, but I'm not sure. Doesn't bother me though as everything still works fine.
I guess that's the difference in the $30 tool range, and the $60+ multitools. Yes everything works well enough it seems, just didn't inspire confidence to me when I grabbed the handles and feel them twist inside my hand. I'm going to start carrying it on my pocket and try to put it to work.
Yeah, I would say that's the difference. With the Sidekick, you can open up the lanyard ring a little ways and close the handles slowly with it out. It will slide into the other handle space next to one of the drivers (can't remember which one it is). This will keep the handles solid when closed, which I liked, but it is a minor inconvenience when opening and especially closing the handles. Not everyone likes that extra step in the operation (myself included), but I did like the fact that the handles didn't have that play when closed.
Unfortunately the Wingman doesn't have the lanyard ring (not sure why though :think:), so you would have to actually add a piece of metal (someone described the process they used here somewhere), but I think that's too much to have to mess with. If it's something that really bothers you though, it may be worth it to check it out, provided you actually like the tool enough to go through the trouble...
Post by: campussecurity on January 09, 2014, 05:04:33 AM
Post by: gregpost on January 12, 2014, 12:35:48 AM
Post by: Chinese Buffet on January 12, 2014, 05:02:34 AM
I would take the scissors off the Wingman and put them on the Sidekick in place of the saw!
To me that would be a great Urban EDC MT. I like the serrated blade better than the package opener and think is it more useful even though it is kinda small. :D
I wish I had a Wingman or the scissors to do that with!
That was my first thought actually :tu: It basically comes down to preference between the package opener and small serrated blade. Overall I think the serrated blade could prove more useful, and it can even work as a package opener anyway.
The serrated blade might be short but it will cut rope, cardboard, a package or whatever and I just think it is a better tool than the package opener. :D
I will be using the serrated blade to open packages especially clamshell items as I think the smaller blade is easier to control the cut!
I dont see any use for the saw on the Sidekick and I dont like the little combo blade on the Wingman but I guess if you could get a MT with just the tools you want, Leatherman and Victorinox would not make much money, would they? LOL
Exactly :tu: The serrated blade can work fine as a clamshell opener, and still be useful for a variety of cutting tasks while the package opener would not. That is true as well, these companies wouldn't make much money if they created the one perfect MT. Just like the Wingman/Sidekick each have something we want, but neither is complete on their own in a sense, without a little "aftermarket" work ;) If I were brave or experienced in modding, I would make an attempt to swap the saw and scissors between them...but I'm not sure I am that brave ;)
@Monrogue: I posted this a long time ago but thought it was appropriate to repost having just read your comments. Check out my WingSide! I swapped with the tools I thought I would use the most in an urban environment. When I did this mod my Leatherman collection was pretty small and it has since grown quite a bit more. I still find myself still using the WingSide more than the others. The WingSide has been to more places with me around the world than the others!
(http://forum.multitool.org/leatherman-tools/leatherman-sidekick-wingman-owners-club/?action=dlattach;attach=46054;image)
(http://forum.multitool.org/leatherman-tools/leatherman-sidekick-wingman-owners-club/?action=dlattach;attach=46056;image)
Cheers,
CB
Post by: Monrogue on January 12, 2014, 05:41:29 AM
Post by: Sparkydave on January 17, 2014, 02:09:23 PM
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Post by: Monrogue on January 17, 2014, 04:39:18 PM
Post by: CanadianLMfan on January 17, 2014, 05:11:47 PM
Cool, I look forward to your PICS and thoughts on it Sparkydave :)
FIXED :whistle:
Post by: Monrogue on January 17, 2014, 05:17:37 PM
Cool, I look forward to your PICS and thoughts on it Sparkydave :)
FIXED :whistle:
Yes, thanks CLMf ;)
Post by: Sparkydave on January 17, 2014, 06:42:10 PM
We'll I love the spring loaded pliers. The blades a bit short and the scissors don't lock up straight away. But it's a good cheap tool. Although the rebar I'm going to get is only £13 more.
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Post by: Romanoat on January 19, 2014, 08:46:02 PM
Just picked one up from a gun shop near where I work. Couldn't wait till Monday to order my rebar! Ha plus I'm cutting down drinking and sitting my motorcycle test tomorrow so money I saved off beer I spent on wingman ha. Will put it through it's paces at work later. But seems well made and love the knife blade
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Post by: sawman on January 19, 2014, 08:56:46 PM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 19, 2014, 08:58:23 PM
Post by: sawman on January 19, 2014, 11:28:42 PM
They're on sale at Home Depot for about $20, Sawman. Maybe get the Mrs. her own?:cheers:
Post by: Higgins617 on January 21, 2014, 04:19:56 PM
Post by: Chinese Buffet on January 22, 2014, 01:52:26 AM
(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/chinesebuffet888/LeathermanWingSide01_zpsa23b9648.jpg)
Cheers,
CB
Post by: Monrogue on January 22, 2014, 04:54:31 AM
Nice pic CB :tu:
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Post by: Spatha on January 25, 2014, 03:58:27 AM
I guess this is the place to show off the Croc as well. It looks more useful than I had thought it would. I can see the scraper blade coming in handy, and it might work for some light prying. It has a bit of a notch at the bottom right which could perhaps be used for popping through tape to open boxes.
(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae267/Spatha22/SJL_3090_zpsa7ee4d50.jpg)
It isn't quite as sturdy as something like a pocketwrench II though. The Croc is 2.4mm thick vs the pocketwrench II at 3.2mm. Here are a couple of comparison shots.
(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae267/Spatha22/SJL_3092_zps7d5a8e18.jpg)
(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae267/Spatha22/SJL_3094_zpsfae48917.jpg)
Post by: Higgins617 on January 25, 2014, 06:29:48 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on January 25, 2014, 08:02:51 AM
Post by: MountainKing on January 25, 2014, 08:44:55 PM
Can any owners of a Leatherman Sidekick comment on the rust proofness of it?
Thanks
Post by: enki_ck on January 25, 2014, 08:53:56 PM
Hi guys. New there :)
Can any owners of a Leatherman Sidekick comment on the rust proofness of it?
Thanks
First off, welcome to the forum. :waving:
As for the rust proofness, I think most would say "None" :P
The newer LM suffer greatly from it and the Wingman/Sidekick certainly aren't no exception to the rule. :-\
The Wingman has been shot down! (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=37952)
Post by: Higgins617 on January 25, 2014, 09:49:29 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on January 25, 2014, 09:52:01 PM
Post by: Higgins617 on January 25, 2014, 10:05:48 PM
Post by: Spatha on January 25, 2014, 10:12:16 PM
Anyone see if the croc fits in the bit holder slot behind the MT on say a leatherman wave nylon sheath?
The Croc fits like a glove in both the leather sheath with the elastic sides and the new nylon sheath. :)
Post by: captain spaulding on January 25, 2014, 10:14:50 PM
For my fishing needs I bought a cheap $2 pair of pliers from OSH and carry a swiss army knife with me. The pliers are cheap and do get rusty on occasion, but are easily cleaned and maintained. The swiss army knife offers very good rust resistance and handles all the scissor, blade, and saw tasks I need depending on which model swiss army knife I bring.
Post by: captain spaulding on January 25, 2014, 10:15:20 PM
Anyone see if the croc fits in the bit holder slot behind the MT on say a leatherman wave nylon sheath?
The Croc fits like a glove in both the leather sheath with the elastic sides and the new nylon sheath. :)
Great! Thanks! :tu:
Post by: Higgins617 on January 28, 2014, 07:45:17 PM
Post by: Kampfer on January 28, 2014, 08:40:21 PM
Has anyone put their Croc to real use yet?It works fine.
Post by: Higgins617 on January 28, 2014, 10:15:06 PM
Post by: Kampfer on January 31, 2014, 07:25:52 AM
Today he came to me with a complain. He was up at high ceiling working on a ceiling fan, the Sidekick was able to pinch the wire but failed give it a clean cut.
Since he doesn't care much about the OHO feature, I offered him my ST300. I told him if he can take the size & weight of ST300, it would be a much better workhorse for him than Sidekick and it will last a long time.
Post by: captain spaulding on January 31, 2014, 09:04:54 AM
Post by: Toolslinger on February 20, 2014, 10:47:54 PM
Post by: 5hif7y on March 12, 2014, 04:09:24 PM
:oops:
my bad for pulling it towards me instead of pushing it away from me :facepalm:. On the other hand it works well.
i luv it when i have it on me at work and someone has some clamshell stuff to open. its a good feeling lol
Post by: ducttapetech on March 12, 2014, 04:46:05 PM
that's us mobile
Post by: Toolslinger on March 12, 2014, 06:13:29 PM
Post by: Nhoj on March 12, 2014, 06:18:36 PM
Post by: Toolslinger on March 12, 2014, 06:25:07 PM
Your tool bit you, did you forget to feed it?
Some just need a blood sacrifice every now and then... (Some are thirstier than others.)
Post by: 5hif7y on March 12, 2014, 09:54:38 PM
OUCH!!! Did you have to get some stiches?
that's us mobile
na just put a little bit of super glue on it. I've cut myself enough with my leatherman's to know when it needs stitches and when i can glue it lol.
turns out a lot can be fixed with glue :tu:
Post by: balvenie on March 19, 2014, 08:48:41 PM
I don't have any of these 2 model but i ask: is it true that the pliers of these model are superior in terms of wire/hard wire cutter and of course cause for spring loaded, than the pliers of the wave?? do you think that in future the wave and the charge model will be equipped with this pliers?
Post by: Toolslinger on March 19, 2014, 09:03:05 PM
Question.
I don't have any of these 2 model but i ask: is it true that the pliers of these model are superior in terms of wire/hard wire cutter and of course cause for spring loaded, than the pliers of the wave?? do you think that in future the wave and the charge model will be equipped with this pliers?
In terms of build quality, I'd say the Wave/Charge pliers are more durable and have better cutter (bypass instead of anvil).
Before I get started, I own several Waves and Charges and a few Wingman tools. No Sidekicks, but I feel they are similar enough for the topic of this discussion.
Spring-loaded is nice, but not necessarily a deal breaker. It depends on your needs/wants/preferencs. For me, I don't need spring loaded, but they are a nice bonus on my OHT or Wingman.
I don't see Leatherman modifying the heads of the Sidekick/Wingman to fit in the Wave/Charge chassis. I think what we will see is a move similar to the new Surge with the replaceable cutters. Basically a Rebar head in the Wave/Charge body. Similar to the ReWave and ReCharge mods that other members (and myself) have done already.
This is just my thoughts based on my experience and things Leatherman has done to their lineup.
Post by: Kampfer on March 19, 2014, 09:23:47 PM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on March 19, 2014, 09:59:57 PM
The bypass wire cutters are better at cutting all kinds of wire, but if they get notched or damaged, they can jam the plier head.
The benefit of the anvil style cutters on the Wingman/Sidekick is that they won't jam up the plier if they get damaged. The downside is that they just aren't as good. The answer to BOTH of these is bypass wire cutters with replaceable wire cutters, as on the new Surge and Rebar, which i assume will soon also be on the Wave.
I have had multiple Wingmans and a single Sidekick, and all of them have had the same plier head. All of them work as wire cutters, but aren't great. However, as wire cutting is way down on my list of needs for a multitool, I find them more than adequate for my needs. They will cut 12-gauge solid copper wire easily, and coathanger wire with some effort (but are not damaged from cutting it).
I very much like the spring-loaded plier action of the Wingman/Sidekick. It has just the right amount of force to open the tool, without more force that you have to fight when closing it. However, the additional internal space needed for the spring makes the plier head bulkier. I don't know if it will ever be introduced into the Wave and other such tools. I very much doubt it will.
I hope this clarifies things.
Post by: Toolslinger on March 20, 2014, 02:17:58 AM
I think it really boils down to intended use and personal preferences as you mentioned. Each has pros and cons and it comes down to what things to you need and want the tool to do.
Since I have a tendency to use my cutters on harder wires and the occasional fish hook, I like the replaceable cutters with hard wire notch. If I didn't encounter those situations, I could probably get by with the Wingman as an EDC tool (barring other tool limitations).
Happily my new OHT has replaceable cutters and spring loaded pliers. Now I just need to get a wood/metal file in it and I'm off to the races. :tu:
Post by: av8r1 on March 20, 2014, 09:39:28 AM
If you need wire cutters, avoid the Wingman/Sidekick. You'll be happier with literally any other Leatherman. The most tragic part is that the wire stripper works pretty well, and the rest of the tool is pretty well designed.
Post by: sawman on March 20, 2014, 04:41:36 PM
Post by: Toolslinger on March 21, 2014, 12:19:43 AM
The WingMan is actually a high-quality tool for the money. Better quality than say an over-priced SOG multitool. In fact, I don't know how LM can afford to offer it so cheaply.
+1 :tu:.
This is why I have 3 Wingman, gave 1 as a gift and have 0 SOGs.
Post by: sawman on March 21, 2014, 12:21:07 AM
:D :cheers:The WingMan is actually a high-quality tool for the money. Better quality than say an over-priced SOG multitool. In fact, I don't know how LM can afford to offer it so cheaply.
+1 :tu:.
This is why I have 3 Wingman, gave 1 as a gift and have 0 SOGs.
Post by: Toolslinger on March 24, 2014, 02:02:15 AM
Post by: sawman on March 24, 2014, 01:47:40 PM
Here's a shot of my Wingman.She's a beautiful multitool :D :multi:
Post by: CanadianLMfan on March 24, 2014, 09:38:47 PM
Here's a shot of my Wingman.
:tu:
Post by: balvenie on March 26, 2014, 09:39:43 PM
I noticed that the cutter of the Sidekick works better than my Rebar. Probably its not as strong as my rebar, but for electric wires cuts better.......i think this is the way to follow for future design of pliers.....
Post by: sawman on March 26, 2014, 09:42:17 PM
Got today the Sidekick from amazon. Well impressed and i'm already addicted to spring loaded pliers!!!! :drool:I was just fondling my Wingman and thinking the same thing about those spring loaded pliers. Very addicting and a wee bit of exercise while doing so... :D
I noticed that the cutter of the Sidekick works better than my Rebar. Probably its not as strong as my rebar, but for electric wires cuts better.......i think this is the way to follow for future design of pliers.....
Post by: Monrogue on March 27, 2014, 02:33:01 AM
Got today the Sidekick from amazon. Well impressed and i'm already addicted to spring loaded pliers!!!! :drool:I was just fondling my Wingman and thinking the same thing about those spring loaded pliers. Very addicting and a wee bit of exercise while doing so... :D
I noticed that the cutter of the Sidekick works better than my Rebar. Probably its not as strong as my rebar, but for electric wires cuts better.......i think this is the way to follow for future design of pliers.....
+1
Post by: titohendrata on March 27, 2014, 06:16:51 AM
Post by: titohendrata on March 27, 2014, 02:41:26 PM
Post by: Higgins617 on March 27, 2014, 02:48:34 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on March 27, 2014, 02:57:37 PM
Ah man that is sick!!! Nice job!
that's us mobile
Post by: titohendrata on March 27, 2014, 03:01:23 PM
Way to go dude! That's awesome, I've been wanting to try that with the wave/charge sized blades, what is the overall length of the new blade? Welcome to the site!! :tu:thanks :) the new blade is 85mm, the stock is 75mm. i change the shape into something like warnclife or sheepfoot, i think it's less intimidatife for EDC
Post by: Higgins617 on March 27, 2014, 03:02:47 PM
Post by: Monrogue on March 27, 2014, 03:13:02 PM
Post by: bmot on March 27, 2014, 04:49:29 PM
Post by: titohendrata on March 27, 2014, 05:41:46 PM
Booyah!
Ah man that is sick!!! Nice job!I love it, that blade shape is more fitting too. Gives it more of a utility feel which is something I like about the original blade as well.
Really liking that bladeshape :tu: :tu: :tu:
Excellent work Titohendrata :tu:thanks to all :)
Post by: Nikos on March 27, 2014, 09:41:08 PM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on March 27, 2014, 10:45:56 PM
And wow... nice work on that blade.
I wondered why the blades were the length they were, when they could have fit a longer one in. I think this is an excellent mod. As others may know... I don't like semi-serrated blades. :D
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,42440.msg680084.html#msg680084
Post by: sawman on March 27, 2014, 10:48:14 PM
Yes, Welcome!+1 This is one of my few complaints about the Wingman and Skeletool.
And wow... nice work on that blade.
I wondered why the blades were the length they were, when they could have fit a longer one in. I think this is an excellent mod. As others may know... I don't like semi-serrated blades. :D
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,42440.msg680084.html#msg680084
Post by: titohendrata on March 29, 2014, 01:31:32 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on March 29, 2014, 01:34:23 AM
been thinking to make a tanto blade
I would love to see that. :tu:
Post by: titohendrata on March 29, 2014, 01:38:46 AM
i'm starting now :) i will update the progress soon. but you know what i mean 'soon', i do it all 100% by hand :Dbeen thinking to make a tanto blade
I would love to see that. :tu:
Post by: captain spaulding on March 29, 2014, 01:47:10 AM
i'm starting now :) i will update the progress soon. but you know what i mean 'soon', i do it all 100% by hand :Dbeen thinking to make a tanto blade
I would love to see that. :tu:
Take your time and get it exactly how you want it. :tu:
Post by: titohendrata on April 25, 2014, 09:51:01 AM
Post by: bmot on April 25, 2014, 10:14:44 AM
just finish this ...
That's sexy :drool:
Post by: captain spaulding on April 25, 2014, 10:16:35 AM
Great work! :tu:
Post by: ducttapetech on April 25, 2014, 10:30:22 AM
live from Nate's mobile
Post by: N_N_R on April 25, 2014, 10:47:02 AM
I got it for the equivalent of $45 + delivery from my country. Perhaps more expensive than I'd have got it for from eBay, but.... at least I didn't have to wait for a month or so.
P.S. Nope, actually it would've been the same from eBay... because of the shipping. Okay, I'm happy. :D
Post by: bmot on April 25, 2014, 11:02:06 AM
Ok, I'm joining the club with my brand new Wingman - my first ever real Leatherman.. if we don't count the key chain sized ones :D :multi:
I got it for the equivalent of $45 + delivery from my country. Perhaps more expensive than I'd have got it for from eBay, but.... at least I didn't have to wait for a month or so.
P.S. Nope, actually it would've been the same from eBay... because of the shipping. Okay, I'm happy. :D
That's actually a good prize for in Europe :tu:
:rant: Average prize is pretty much that in € -.-
Post by: N_N_R on April 25, 2014, 12:55:53 PM
Okay, today I bought a pair of very cheap rechargeable batteries and tried the Wingman package opener on the blister pack. It works like a charm! :D The hook-y sharp thing pierces the blister and then the fact that it's rounded doesn't let it damage the very content.... cool.
Post by: Monrogue on April 25, 2014, 03:51:45 PM
just finish this ...
That's really cool :tu:
Post by: Monrogue on April 25, 2014, 03:58:30 PM
Post by: N_N_R on April 25, 2014, 04:03:09 PM
Welcome to the club NNR :cheers:
Thanks :salute: I've used it three times in two days and the second day isn't over yet, so I'm quite happy... :D
Post by: Monrogue on April 25, 2014, 04:08:42 PM
Welcome to the club NNR :cheers:
Thanks :salute: I've used it three times in two days and the second day isn't over yet, so I'm quite happy... :D
Awesome :tu:
Post by: derekmac on April 25, 2014, 04:10:01 PM
Post by: sawman on April 25, 2014, 04:10:50 PM
Post by: N_N_R on April 26, 2014, 02:06:16 PM
I thought you'd like it. Few people dislike the Wingman and for good reason. :)
Indeed :D I actually didn't think I'll use it a lot.. .as it's enormous in comparison to my key chain tools. But I was wrong. lol.
I may be an idiot, but I hadn't thought of this neat feature of pushing your tools up.... at 0:33 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCtdGofWe3M
Post by: CanadianLMfan on April 26, 2014, 10:39:49 PM
I thought you'd like it. Few people dislike the Wingman and for good reason. :)
Indeed :D I actually didn't think I'll use it a lot.. .as it's enormous in comparison to my key chain tools. But I was wrong. lol.
I may be an idiot, but I hadn't thought of this neat feature of pushing your tools up.... at 0:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCtdGofWe3M
We all found out from the video!
Post by: N_N_R on May 03, 2014, 01:36:39 PM
I thought you'd like it. Few people dislike the Wingman and for good reason. :)
Indeed :D I actually didn't think I'll use it a lot.. .as it's enormous in comparison to my key chain tools. But I was wrong. lol.
I may be an idiot, but I hadn't thought of this neat feature of pushing your tools up.... at 0:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCtdGofWe3M
We all found out from the video!
Really?! lol (oops, I didn't ee your answer before)
Today I tried the Wingman's blade in an attempt to cut some twigs of a bush that would always catch on our trousers/legs when we passed by... well. (Partially) serrated blades suck. :-\ I had to use some.... dragging-pulling motion to actually manage to cut/tear those twigs. Anyway, I still love my Wingman. I used the flat head screwdriver as a pry bar, too.
Post by: sawman on May 03, 2014, 09:23:28 PM
If LM does indeed read these forums then maybe they'll pick up the hint and correct these flaws.
Post by: DazMechanical on May 07, 2014, 02:57:20 PM
If LM does indeed read these forums then maybe they'll pick up the hint and correct these flaws.
:cheers:
Post by: av8r1 on May 09, 2014, 11:32:45 AM
Just yesterday I was trying to tune a couple wire antennas and had to use the scissors to finish what the wire cutters started. My Skeletool did the job with no fuss.
Post by: EGNARO on May 12, 2014, 05:32:51 PM
Post by: rlwc84 on June 06, 2014, 02:42:35 AM
I envy you guys for the price paid for the MT.
Bought my wingman at local shop for SGD75.00.
Im in now. >:D
Post by: Maintenance on June 06, 2014, 02:23:52 PM
Post by: Monrogue on June 06, 2014, 04:19:22 PM
Hi there. New to this forum.
I envy you guys for the price paid for the MT.
Bought my wingman at local shop for SGD75.00.
Im in now. >:D
Welcome to the forum, and the Wingman club :cheers:
Post by: Aloha on June 06, 2014, 04:41:59 PM
Hi there. New to this forum.
I envy you guys for the price paid for the MT.
Bought my wingman at local shop for SGD75.00.
Im in now. >:D
Welcome to MTo and the club. Damn shame those prices but I'm sure as compared to a Wave its not bad.
Post by: Tengster on June 06, 2014, 04:42:53 PM
Post by: toolguy on June 06, 2014, 05:26:32 PM
I spent several hours de-horning it.
Post by: pingu on June 07, 2014, 03:20:18 PM
First problem was the locking blade was a no-no for me and I didn't feel confident defeating a liner lock system. (There is an interesting how-to video somewhere for a Style?).
Not all that keen on Combo knives but thought I could use the serrated section inboard in lieu of the LM bottle mangler. Installed a slimmed down Gerber "combo" bottle/can opener outboard. OK, its longer but IMO far superior to LM's offering.
Also the Wingman file is as hopeless as - for balance - the Gerber Dime file.
Now got everything and more on my Rebar PS(V) (except Torx screws) :rant: so its goodbye to the Wingman.
I think the Sidekick/Wingman format has potential, I loved the smooth carry and on balance having a couple of outboard tools but the Rebar is not hugely more expensive for a lot more metal.
:waving:
Post by: N_N_R on June 07, 2014, 04:03:13 PM
Post by: toolguy on June 07, 2014, 04:39:47 PM
He would do well to send it back to Leatherman for a replacement.
Post by: sawman on June 07, 2014, 06:32:04 PM
In and out of the Wingman Owners Club but before I go...You completely destroyed that LM :(
First problem was the locking blade was a no-no for me and I didn't feel confident defeating a liner lock system. (There is an interesting how-to video somewhere for a Style?).
Not all that keen on Combo knives but thought I could use the serrated section inboard in lieu of the LM bottle mangler. Installed a slimmed down Gerber "combo" bottle/can opener outboard. OK, its longer but IMO far superior to LM's offering.
Also the Wingman file is as hopeless as - for balance - the Gerber Dime file.
Now got everything and more on my Rebar PS(V) (except Torx screws) :rant: so its goodbye to the Wingman.
I think the Sidekick/Wingman format has potential, I loved the smooth carry and on balance having a couple of outboard tools but the Rebar is not hugely more expensive for a lot more metal.
:waving:
Post by: DazMechanical on June 09, 2014, 09:40:00 AM
Been on a bit of a Victorinox bender lately!
Post by: BIG-TARGET on June 09, 2014, 03:16:07 PM
Jut sold my LM SideKick and bought a Field Master SAK instead...Had the same situation Vic Lockblades :whistle:
Been on a bit of a Victorinox bender lately!
Post by: sawman on August 01, 2014, 01:47:25 PM
This thread deserves a BUMP.
Aren't there any new abductees lately?
Post by: pingu on August 01, 2014, 01:58:07 PM
I find it hard to believe there's no activity here.
I'm out. Wingman is now broken down to parts. I gave up on it having filed the plier teeth down to flat to make the cutters meet only to find the cutters didn't meet centrally. Though I had reasonable hopes for the Wingman anvil cutters the Rebar bypass cutters are huge. So an easy decision.
The Wingman file lives on as a placeholder in the Fuse which donated scissors to my Kick.
Post by: billyboy on August 04, 2014, 06:20:57 PM
I have owned several Leatherman tools. I have an original PST from the early 1990's. I bought the Wingman on a whim. Price was right. Bought a second as a backup. I'm picky about my knives. Lockup on the first was super. Lost it unfortunately. Second is with me all the time. I work as an occupation therapist and it is invaluable for modifying or fixing my patients wheelchairs or other devices. Use it everywhere. Sorry for the long commentary... Scissors need to be cared for as they sometimes slip. I just put the spring back and use them as they were intended. Overall a very good tool for he money. My hat is off to Tim for making this product.
Billyboy
Post by: sawman on August 04, 2014, 06:50:06 PM
Hi everyone.Thanks for sharing your Wingman experience and welcome to MTO :D
I have owned several Leatherman tools. I have an original PST from the early 1990's. I bought the Wingman on a whim. Price was right. Bought a second as a backup. I'm picky about my knives. Lockup on the first was super. Lost it unfortunately. Second is with me all the time. I work as an occupation therapist and it is invaluable for modifying or fixing my patients wheelchairs or other devices. Use it everywhere. Sorry for the long commentary... Scissors need to be cared for as they sometimes slip. I just put the spring back and use them as they were intended. Overall a very good tool for he money. My hat is off to Tim for making this product.
Billyboy
Post by: yo.hellsuite on August 05, 2014, 10:54:16 AM
just finish this ...
awesome work mate!!! :cheers:
Post by: titohendrata on August 06, 2014, 03:40:53 PM
hehe, thanks ;)just finish this ...
awesome work mate!!! :cheers:
Post by: eddie1115 on August 21, 2014, 03:52:06 PM
Also bought a Sidekick second hand here, since I liked the Wingman. Both are great for light duty when I need that pocket clip.
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/21/a803d3f86fd8648dfb0fec989fb2f747.jpg)
Also, thought this was a good place for this picture:
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/21/5e03c0accb9d1897c5629fe27b47a7c8.jpg)
Post by: sawman on August 21, 2014, 04:01:00 PM
Post by: pingu on August 21, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
I find it hard to believe there's no activity here.
I'm out. Wingman is now broken down to parts. I gave up on it having filed the plier teeth down to flat to make the cutters meet only to find the cutters didn't meet centrally. Though I had reasonable hopes for the Wingman anvil cutters the Rebar bypass cutters are huge. So an easy decision.
The Wingman file lives on as a placeholder in the Fuse which donated scissors to my Kick.
Please don't think I'm dissing Wingman. I loved the smooth carry and value, just the cutters didn't suit my particular EDC usage needs. The pivot screws turned down a little live on on my Rebar, so Wingman memories every day.
Given the raised lip, what Rebar needs, can take visually and should come with IMO.
Post by: cannonball on August 22, 2014, 07:57:48 PM
Post by: zoidberg on September 22, 2014, 06:08:44 AM
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5585/15152754206_a32af349ca.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/p5ZPUS)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5583/15152753626_ce9b7566d4.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/p5ZPJS)
Post by: Breezy12 on September 22, 2014, 07:08:50 AM
I don't plan to be in this club long. :D
I assumed as much. :D
Post by: zoidberg on September 22, 2014, 09:57:36 AM
I don't plan to be in this club long. :D
I assumed as much. :D
:whistle:
Post by: Higgins617 on November 14, 2014, 04:31:28 AM
Post by: Kampfer on November 16, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
(http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/47/47fdd3d8-fb97-4b96-9f55-98890157cdda_400.jpg)
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Leatherman-Tool-Group-10-in-1-Multi-Tool-Wingman-831486/202927726
The "older" one lists on LM's site.
(http://demandware.edgesuite.net/sits_pod21/dw/image/v2/AAMV_PRD/on/demandware.static/Sites-leatherman-Site/Sites-master/en_US/v1415995790846/large/11-wingman.jpg?sw=1200&sh=1200&sfrm=png)
Post by: zoidberg on November 16, 2014, 10:35:16 PM
Since when they slightly changed the pliers head ???
From those pics it looks like the scissors, file and opener also got changed.
Post by: zoidberg on November 16, 2014, 10:37:51 PM
Post by: zoidberg on November 16, 2014, 10:39:39 PM
Post by: Kampfer on November 16, 2014, 10:42:22 PM
Post by: zoidberg on November 16, 2014, 10:42:33 PM
Post by: zoidberg on November 16, 2014, 10:43:41 PM
I wonder if the new scissors work better than the old one.
They look better, more Surge like even.
Post by: rdub934 on November 16, 2014, 10:51:39 PM
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,50164.msg842532.html#msg842532
We talked about some of the changes from proto to production in this thread
Post by: Kampfer on November 16, 2014, 10:53:45 PM
Post by: zoidberg on November 16, 2014, 11:09:02 PM
The top photo is of the pre-production Wingman. The pics of that version are all over the web but the change is to the plier head we all know and "love", the bottom picture. Interestingly, a plier head pretty similar to the pre-production WM/SK appears to be headed for release on the upcoming Rev - except the Rev has by-pass style cuttersRight. I totally missed that thread. :facepalm:
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,50164.msg842532.html#msg842532
We talked about some of the changes from proto to production in this thread
Post by: one45auto on November 17, 2014, 05:27:56 AM
Post by: bdAmmo on November 17, 2014, 05:42:06 AM
I bought a Wingman off eBay late last year for around $28 or so with shipping and picked it up primarily for the attached pocket clip. I knew nothing else about it whatsoever and was pleasantly surprised by the spring loaded pliers. That's a excellent feature if you ask me, and one that I've used numerous times. The tool is more solidly built than one would expect, and opens and closes very comfortably. To my surprise I've found myself carrying it more often than any other multi-tool I own, including my new Wave and Charge TTi. A few months later I purchased a Sidekick for comparison but wound up giving it to my father (his first Leatherman) who now carries it constantly. I'm never without my Wingman, and carry it even when I'm packing something else. :tu:
Welcome to MTO! I'm a big Wingman/Sidekick fan myself.
Post by: bdAmmo on November 17, 2014, 06:03:32 AM
(http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/bdAmmo/imagejpg1_zpsa07ec0de.jpg) (http://s971.photobucket.com/user/bdAmmo/media/imagejpg1_zpsa07ec0de.jpg.html)
and my Sidekick :tu:
(http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/bdAmmo/image_zps24c2494f.jpg) (http://s971.photobucket.com/user/bdAmmo/media/image_zps24c2494f.jpg.html)
Post by: captain spaulding on November 17, 2014, 08:17:53 AM
Post by: NKlamerus on April 24, 2015, 08:53:33 AM
Post by: 3F on May 02, 2015, 11:06:34 AM
Post by: sawman on May 22, 2015, 01:18:59 AM
Post by: Simian on May 25, 2015, 04:51:23 AM
Post by: NetsNJ on August 05, 2015, 10:44:02 PM
Man, this thing feels great in the hand. When the pliers are open, it is incredibly comfortable. I like the spring action. No play in the blades at all, I'm impressed. It feels more solid in my hands than I expected based on the multiple reviews labeling it a budget multitool. Also more compact.
This is the heftiest 2D phillips I've ever seen. I like it.
As for hilarious design choices, I love the labels on the drivers saying what is what:
(http://toolguyd.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Leatherman-Sidekick-Multi-Tool-Screwdriver-Tips.jpg)
As if you will ever pull out just one (or push up just one) and the label will be useful. :rofl:
I'll be honest. For tools that aren't knives/saws, I prefer a strong simple slipjoint to a locking mechanism.
Post by: Smaug on August 06, 2015, 04:35:45 AM
I love my Wingman. It is considered a low-end Leatherman, but I really like it.
The sprung pliers, my most popular two tools externally accessible, dedicated clamshell package opener, and the two most often-needed drivers? And a decent pocket clip instead of some poor quality pouch?
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Trash%20Talking/Make_it_So_zps7b2bc998.jpeg) (http://s134.photobucket.com/user/jzorns/media/Trash%20Talking/Make_it_So_zps7b2bc998.jpeg.html)
The only questionable thing about it is the file; it's too short to be useful as one. If the tip can double as a driver, as Leatherman claims, then it's probably too soft as well.
Post by: Gareth on August 07, 2015, 06:44:11 PM
Post by: Aloha on August 07, 2015, 08:26:41 PM
Post by: NetsNJ on August 07, 2015, 08:37:32 PM
One thing though, I'd be interested in hearing thoughts from your guys, the large flathead. The tip seems waay to thick to fit most flatheads, and the small flat driver is way too thin to ever really torque. Thoughts? I am thinking of grinding down the large flathead a bit.
Post by: pingu on August 07, 2015, 11:06:07 PM
One thing though, I'd be interested in hearing thoughts from your guys, the large flathead. The tip seems waay to thick to fit most flatheads,
I only have a single arm Wingman now as the cutters didn't work well enough for me. It lives permanently on my workbench. Its inexpensive all stainless construction means I don't mind the resulting blemishes that would mar the appearance of more expensive tools.
I don't remember doing it but the driver is now 1.0mm at the tip so I must have reduced it from the stock 1.4mm ish. Works fine with wide enough slotted screws though I mostly use it for prying. That being the case not sure why I filed it thinner :think:
The Phillips I have filed down to fit the standard LM bit adapter and given it a 90 deg stop.
Post by: sawman on August 08, 2015, 12:21:05 AM
Post by: Gareth on August 08, 2015, 12:35:15 PM
Really loving the smoothness of the plier deployment and outside blade OHO on the Sidekick. The thing is just a pleasure to use, although the inside tools are nail-destroyers, need to loosen the screws.
One thing though, I'd be interested in hearing thoughts from your guys, the large flathead. The tip seems waay to thick to fit most flatheads, and the small flat driver is way too thin to ever really torque. Thoughts? I am thinking of grinding down the large flathead a bit.
Given that they describe it as a 'medium' flat head then I'd agree. It'll go in some chunky big wood screws but it's too fat for far too many machine screws. That said it's an excellent fit on one of the stock bolts on one of my rifles, hence living in my shooting bag.
Post by: Zephon on August 17, 2015, 05:11:06 AM
The best part is that the Wingman (and Sidekick) are relatively small investments hence I won't be afraid to use (and maybe abuse) them.
Post by: rishardh on August 17, 2015, 05:24:20 PM
The best part is that the Wingman (and Sidekick) are relatively small investments hence I won't be afraid to use (and maybe abuse) them.
Agree, I've got a Sidekick and a Wingman in my wife's car and mine for the same reasons. It will be interesting to see how these tools will fare in a abuse test.
Post by: Gareth on August 21, 2015, 02:30:25 PM
Post by: Kampfer on August 21, 2015, 07:33:46 PM
Question for you folks. Does the Sidekick still come with the suede slip cover and carabiner as standard?Nope, I ordered one directly from Leatherman 8 months ago and it didn't come with the leather pouch.
Post by: Gareth on August 21, 2015, 08:17:53 PM
Question for you folks. Does the Sidekick still come with the suede slip cover and carabiner as standard?Nope, I ordered one directly from Leatherman 8 months ago and it didn't come with the leather pouch.
Thanks for that. :cheers:
Post by: NetsNJ on August 25, 2015, 07:49:42 PM
Post by: Gareth on August 25, 2015, 07:56:04 PM
Does anyone else really dig the main blade on the Sidekick? I love this blade.
It's actually one of my favourite parts. :tu:
For those who are interested: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,61492.0.html Please feel free to disagree. :D
Post by: SteveC on August 25, 2015, 08:14:16 PM
Does anyone else really dig the main blade on the Sidekick? I love this blade.
I agree , love the shape :tu:
Post by: sLaughterMed on August 26, 2015, 03:29:33 PM
Does anyone else really dig the main blade on the Sidekick? I love this blade.
I agree , love the shape :tu:
Yep, Love the main blade of my Sidekick. im actually a big fan of the small serrated blade inside as well, I think its an excellent alternative to a combo blade, as I prefer fully PE blades, but still appreciate the utility of serrations.
Post by: sawman on August 26, 2015, 05:27:05 PM
Post by: Kampfer on August 26, 2015, 05:55:23 PM
Post by: Demel on October 09, 2015, 04:17:24 AM
Post by: Semajmarx007 on January 28, 2016, 05:10:52 AM
As to the blade, I am quite satisfied with the combo blade but i think I prefer a straight edge blade being a long time SAK user. Still, so far so good on the Wingman. :multi:
Post by: NKlamerus on February 15, 2016, 11:57:59 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on February 16, 2016, 07:06:21 AM
Post by: NKlamerus on February 16, 2016, 07:15:32 AM
That's a bummer. Never had that happen before.I think it's just gym short material getting wedged in too tight.
The anti-spin knob doesn't rest fully locked. A hammer might fix that.
Post by: Padre on February 16, 2016, 08:26:26 PM
:think:
Post by: NKlamerus on February 18, 2016, 05:54:12 AM
Do you guys prefer Leathermans Leather or Nylon pouch for Sidekick/Wingman? I have to buy new one, 'cause I lost my Rebar Leather pouch (that I used for my Wingman) and I have never tried the Nylon one.They ain't bad, I just hate the rip of velcro in a quiet room. But they also have the possibility of adding more.
:think:
You might try a cheap single stack mag pouch. Should hold a wingman fairly well as long as it's not too deep.
Post by: Padre on February 28, 2016, 03:03:54 PM
Might get one later on or try out Sidekick.
Post by: ReamerPunch on March 01, 2016, 12:40:42 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/7XC6lKv.jpg)
Post by: JasonJ on June 07, 2016, 09:56:23 PM
It's ok. I like the Sidekick better. I cant stand the partially serrated main blade. It's so hard to use compared to a razor sharp plain edge. The scissors are nice though, and the package open is AMAZING.
If I could build my own, ideal Wingkick combo, it'd basically be a Sidekick with the package opener and scissors added. I know there is no room for a saw and scissors.. but I could dream.
As it is, a Wingman with a Sidekick main blade and lanyard loop would be a step up.
I do think that my last Sidekick had wire cutters that were closer together than most... I could cut 16 or 18 gauge wire without issue.. on the Wingman, I can see daylight!
That being said, these are my first two Leathermans ever... and they DO work... and the marketing idea that these would be gateway tools to other, more expensive or simply just more LM's, is proven correct.
I'm already looking at a Skeletool CX, Micra, and Juice/Squirt to add to my rotation.
Post by: Gareth on June 08, 2016, 11:51:41 PM
Post by: LoopCutter on June 09, 2016, 05:22:03 AM
I have a couple Wingman, recently acquired for a reasonable price. Only opened an employed one, (other is being held for gifting), and do like the tool set and spring action on the pliers.
However, I am confused by the price difference between the Sidekick and Wingman. I would have expected them closer, with Sidekick being lower value to match or just a few dollars more.
Any insight shared will be appreciated.
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Post by: JasonJ on June 10, 2016, 03:35:48 PM
However, I am confused by the price difference between the Sidekick and Wingman. I would have expected them closer, with Sidekick being lower value to match or just a few dollars more.
Any insight shared will be appreciated.
The Sidekick is usually but not always also sold with a leather sleeve/pouch/sheath and a small carabiner clip with a 1/4" hex and bottle cap opener. That's why you typically see the Sidekick sold for about $10 USD more than the Wingman.
Even cheaper yet is the Rev... which really, has no reason to exist at all and needs to be discontinued.
Post by: Gareth on June 10, 2016, 03:53:07 PM
However, I am confused by the price difference between the Sidekick and Wingman. I would have expected them closer, with Sidekick being lower value to match or just a few dollars more.
Any insight shared will be appreciated.
The Sidekick is usually but not always also sold with a leather sleeve/pouch/sheath and a small carabiner clip with a 1/4" hex and bottle cap opener. That's why you typically see the Sidekick sold for about $10 USD more than the Wingman.
Even cheaper yet is the Rev... which really, has no reason to exist at all and needs to be discontinued.
That's my take on it as well. Though I think someone told me you don't even get the leather sleeve any more.
Post by: Gareth on June 10, 2016, 03:54:32 PM
I have been learning a good deal about Leatherman MT models and having reviewed the earlier post, am I correct in understanding the Sidekick and Wingman were introduced at the same time?
I have a couple Wingman, recently acquired for a reasonable price. Only opened an employed one, (other is being held for gifting), and do like the tool set and spring action on the pliers.
However, I am confused by the price difference between the Sidekick and Wingman. I would have expected them closer, with Sidekick being lower value to match or just a few dollars more.
Any insight shared will be appreciated.
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They were indeed. :)
Post by: Poncho65 on June 10, 2016, 04:06:54 PM
Hey Jason, welcome to the forum. :hatsoff:
What he said :D
I guess I should ask to join :think: I have a Wingman but no Sidekick yet ::) I like the Wingman but wished it had a PE blade instead of the combo blade :( other than that I am very happy with it :cheers: I have had it probably since November so I have had a little time to test all the tools and see how it goes :tu: I think LM did a good job with this tool as a budget tool especially. I have actually bought a Sidekick but never owned one :ahhh I gave it to my nephew when he graduated out of 8th grade to high school :cheers: I must have bought it in 2012 cause he just graduated high school this year :o
Post by: Dan B on June 11, 2016, 03:01:39 PM
Full write-up of the blade mod is in the mod squad forum: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,66694.0.html
Post by: Dan B on June 11, 2016, 06:35:33 PM
Does anyone else really dig the main blade on the Sidekick? I love this blade.
I like it a lot better than the blade on the wingman. I'm not a fan of serrated blades to begin with and these shorter combination ones don't give you enough of either to really be useful.
Post by: Gareth on June 11, 2016, 08:29:10 PM
Does anyone else really dig the main blade on the Sidekick? I love this blade.
I like it a lot better than the blade on the wingman. I'm not a fan of serrated blades to begin with and these shorter combination ones don't give you enough of either to really be useful.
I agree. The Sidekick blade is actually a very good cutter. It doesn't strike me as the most robust blade out there, but I wouldn't criticise it too much for that.
Post by: strmliner on June 11, 2016, 08:48:39 PM
So the Sidekicks went to the gloveboxes and the Wingman sits on the workbench. Would I want to carry these regularly...no, not a chance. I prefer the Gerber Strata's and a LM Wave for dedicated belt carry on weekends when needed. Sometimes I just carry a LM Juice kf4 or s2 to complement my SAKs when needed for outdoor activities. But at the price point I got the Sidekicks and Wingman, I can comfortably dedicate them to their assigned uses knowing that they are there if needed, but never for EDC.
Post by: ThePeacent on June 11, 2016, 09:55:48 PM
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/CAM01426_zpse5xv6rzv.jpg)
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/CAM01422_zpsxiodminj.jpg)
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/CAM01428_zpsrrhtb9v2.jpg)
Post by: Dan B on June 12, 2016, 12:49:54 AM
Post by: LoopCutter on June 12, 2016, 04:01:04 AM
Thank you, had never seen a Sidekick in a store with those two items.However, I am confused by the price difference between the Sidekick and Wingman. I would have expected them closer, with Sidekick being lower value to match or just a few dollars more.
Any insight shared will be appreciated.
The Sidekick is usually but not always also sold with a leather sleeve/pouch/sheath and a small carabiner clip with a 1/4" hex and bottle cap opener. That's why you typically see the Sidekick sold for about $10 USD more than the Wingman.
Even cheaper yet is the Rev... which really, has no reason to exist at all and needs to be discontinued.
I picked up REV a few months ago after a tip on another forum the HD was clear envying for under 20.
Then I stumbled upon a SuperTool 300 at the L store for less than 40, and then a Wingman for 21 at another HD in May.
I like to use the tools I buy and must say, the REV did not cut it and is at home in knife box.
The ST3 is often carried, more so since I picked up a box sheath.
The Wingman is in my tool bag and I like the spring loaded pliers and scissors. So I picked up 2nd on but it still packaged for future gift.
Me, the knife blade is not critical as I always have 3 1/4" blade with me in some form.
I do like a saw and a good full serrated blade, that why the ST3 finds time at work by my side.
The Sidekick to me seemed on par with the wingman, yet LM hand a different pecking order.
I am learning about these handy tools, just not a collector (yet), but am curious.
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Post by: matt31084 on June 13, 2016, 11:00:30 PM
Post by: zoidberg on June 14, 2016, 02:47:32 AM
Post by: sLaughterMed on June 14, 2016, 03:21:22 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/B8sHWBI.jpg)
Post by: Gareth on June 14, 2016, 09:42:53 AM
New to the site, just got my wingman today! I'm hoping I can relocate the belt clip and replace the two screwdrivers with the LM bit driver. Might try to replace the file with something else as well.
Welcome to the forum Matt. :hatsoff: Sounds like a good modification there, we'll need to see some pics when it's done. :tu:
Post by: Gareth on June 14, 2016, 09:46:31 AM
Can I join?
(https://i.imgur.com/B8sHWBI.jpg)
Does half a MT give you half a membership? :think: I still really like these mods and can't believe that LM themselves haven't started doing them themselves. I'm never going to buy a Rev, but I would be tempted by one of these.
Post by: Poncho65 on June 14, 2016, 11:54:20 AM
Can I join?
(https://i.imgur.com/B8sHWBI.jpg)
I love the Sidekick knife mod :cheers:
Post by: Poncho65 on June 14, 2016, 11:56:03 AM
New to the site, just got my wingman today! I'm hoping I can relocate the belt clip and replace the two screwdrivers with the LM bit driver. Might try to replace the file with something else as well.
Welcome to the forum Matt. :hatsoff: Sounds like a good modification there, we'll need to see some pics when it's done. :tu:
Welcome to the forum Matt :salute: +1 on the pics when you finish your mod :tu:
Post by: Dan B on June 20, 2016, 05:14:30 AM
Can I join?
(https://i.imgur.com/B8sHWBI.jpg)
Wild! It's awesome. Kinda like a leatherman SAK.
Post by: ThePeacent on June 20, 2016, 11:49:16 AM
Interesting. What did that pocket clip come off of, or is it a generic one? Also, does it work better than the standard one?
The clip was from a cheap Karambit folder.
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/CAM01633_zpsmzjb0prj.jpg)
It works better than the standard one (for my uses and preferences) because it is deeper carry, and I have less people bother me about what's in my pocket. :tu:
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/CAM01630_zpsl3110e6e.jpg)
When on the beach, for instance (my swimsuit is black and the clip doesn't shine and reveal the tool)
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/CAM01631_zpseabylmdx.jpg)
Post by: NKlamerus on June 30, 2016, 02:35:09 AM
Post by: Poncho65 on June 30, 2016, 04:12:06 AM
Post by: NKlamerus on June 30, 2016, 04:32:41 AM
Sorry buddy hope you can get that clip situated :cheers:It's constantly popping out. It moves about once a day.
Can't wait to switch back to a Wave.
Post by: sLaughterMed on June 30, 2016, 04:36:03 AM
I bet loc-tite on that pivot would help. Also, perhaps bend the divot on the clip a little farther downward into the knife.Sorry buddy hope you can get that clip situated :cheers:It's constantly popping out. It moves about once a day.
Can't wait to switch back to a Wave.
Post by: NKlamerus on June 30, 2016, 04:44:14 AM
Done and DoneI bet loc-tite on that pivot would help. Also, perhaps bend the divot on the clip a little farther downward into the knife.Sorry buddy hope you can get that clip situated :cheers:It's constantly popping out. It moves about once a day.
Can't wait to switch back to a Wave.
This is the only Leatherman I have actually lost. Went back to the furniture store and found the couch it was in. After that I removed the clip, added super glue, loctite, and bent the retainer down while also bending the clip as to make it hold better.
Even so the placement makes no sense!!
Post by: sLaughterMed on June 30, 2016, 04:46:50 AM
It does if you carry it on the left, and carry a SAK on the rightDone and DoneI bet loc-tite on that pivot would help. Also, perhaps bend the divot on the clip a little farther downward into the knife.Sorry buddy hope you can get that clip situated :cheers:It's constantly popping out. It moves about once a day.
Can't wait to switch back to a Wave.
This is the only Leatherman I have actually lost. Went back to the furniture store and found the couch it was in. After that I removed the clip, added super glue, loctite, and bent the retainer down while also bending the clip as to make it hold better.
Even so the placement makes no sense!!
Post by: NKlamerus on June 30, 2016, 04:50:12 AM
Not falling for that oneIt does if you carry it on the left, and carry a SAK on the rightDone and DoneI bet loc-tite on that pivot would help. Also, perhaps bend the divot on the clip a little farther downward into the knife.Sorry buddy hope you can get that clip situated :cheers:It's constantly popping out. It moves about once a day.
Can't wait to switch back to a Wave.
This is the only Leatherman I have actually lost. Went back to the furniture store and found the couch it was in. After that I removed the clip, added super glue, loctite, and bent the retainer down while also bending the clip as to make it hold better.
Even so the placement makes no sense!!
Post by: sLaughterMed on June 30, 2016, 04:52:27 AM
Oh come on.... a Climber pairs nicely with a Sidekick, and a Camper with a Wingman :poke:Not falling for that oneIt does if you carry it on the left, and carry a SAK on the rightDone and DoneI bet loc-tite on that pivot would help. Also, perhaps bend the divot on the clip a little farther downward into the knife.Sorry buddy hope you can get that clip situated :cheers:It's constantly popping out. It moves about once a day.
Can't wait to switch back to a Wave.
This is the only Leatherman I have actually lost. Went back to the furniture store and found the couch it was in. After that I removed the clip, added super glue, loctite, and bent the retainer down while also bending the clip as to make it hold better.
Even so the placement makes no sense!!
Post by: Poncho65 on June 30, 2016, 03:14:46 PM
Oh come on.... a Climber pairs nicely with a Sidekick, and a Camper with a Wingman :poke:Not falling for that oneIt does if you carry it on the left, and carry a SAK on the rightDone and DoneI bet loc-tite on that pivot would help. Also, perhaps bend the divot on the clip a little farther downward into the knife.Sorry buddy hope you can get that clip situated :cheers:It's constantly popping out. It moves about once a day.
Can't wait to switch back to a Wave.
This is the only Leatherman I have actually lost. Went back to the furniture store and found the couch it was in. After that I removed the clip, added super glue, loctite, and bent the retainer down while also bending the clip as to make it hold better.
Even so the placement makes no sense!!
It's true everyone knows that you need a SAK in your pocket and a LM either on your belt or clip in your pocket, rather common knowledge :whistle:
Post by: Dan B on July 04, 2016, 08:48:06 PM
New to the site, just got my wingman today! I'm hoping I can relocate the belt clip and replace the two screwdrivers with the LM bit driver. Might try to replace the file with something else as well.
Welcome, matt!
I did the clip switch. It's not too hard. Here is the write-up:
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,66884.msg1286449.html#msg1286449
The one additional thing that I'll say is that drilling the hole goes easier if you have some way of supporting the tool from the inside.
Oh, and please let us see the results when you're done!
Post by: JasonJ on July 12, 2016, 06:31:02 PM
Uuuuhhh(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/cef4646abaad5346bd171b2f250f3d20.jpg)
My Sidekick did this when new. I removed the clip, bent the alignment tab dealy thing down, then reattached and tightened the screw accordingly, so it was snug, but did not make the tools held by that screw too tight to open. Never loosened or came off again.
Until I misplaced the entire tool.
My Wingman has not been a problem at all.
Post by: Poncho65 on July 12, 2016, 07:48:55 PM
Uuuuhhh(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/cef4646abaad5346bd171b2f250f3d20.jpg)
My Sidekick did this when new. I removed the clip, bent the alignment tab dealy thing down, then reattached and tightened the screw accordingly, so it was snug, but did not make the tools held by that screw too tight to open. Never loosened or came off again.
Until I misplaced the entire tool.
My Wingman has not been a problem at all.
Bad deal about the Sidekick :-\ At least you still have the Wingman though :cheers:
Post by: Poncho65 on July 12, 2016, 07:49:33 PM
Post by: Toolslinger on July 12, 2016, 07:57:04 PM
Post by: ThePeacent on July 13, 2016, 12:32:37 PM
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/CAM01656_zpsh6ncbpue.jpg)
Seems versatile and basic enough for a short time emergency (lights go off, storm, foret fire) situation, so to the kit it goes.
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/CAM01655_zpsutzgn9qp.jpg)
Nice club we got here :tu:
Post by: Poncho65 on July 13, 2016, 01:46:31 PM
Other than that it is a very nice budget minded tool :cheers:
Post by: Neo on July 15, 2016, 04:14:31 PM
There was a clearence of a technology market with a big 50% discount, so that I had it nearly for $30 which was a big deal for here :cheers:
For knife, I have the same wish that if they could put a straight blade. But I have a plan to buy s30V blade of Charge TTI to replace with wingman's (s30V is nearly $23 here http://nalob.ru/products/20632386 )
Also, for one hand opening, I had some difficulties. So I've made a little mod on the hole of the knife blade. As you can see in the photo, I shaped a little piece of wood to fit inside the hole. Then I colored it with a permanent marker. That's it... Now much more easy to open with my thumb...
Lastly, my pliers pivot head was a little loose (I saw that some other people had similar problems with their Leatherman pliers). The pliers had a misalignment for 1-2 mm and becasue of that handles were also twisting. For solution, I took a hammer and a metal punch with a rounded edge, and then peened that pivot head in 3 different points on the circle(rivet). As a result, all that wobbling disappeared for now. Pliers had lined up again. Feels solid and better... But only some cosmetic nuance left back as you can see in the photo :multi: (which is not important for me)
Post by: Poncho65 on July 15, 2016, 04:59:11 PM
Good fix of your tool as well :tu:
Post by: Dan B on July 16, 2016, 05:31:36 AM
I really like the wood insert as well. Is that held in by some kind of adhesive or simply press fit? Also, what kind of wood did you use?
This has me thinking of ways to make various contrasting inserts for those holes.
If you do the blade swap be sure and post it in the mod forum. I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Post by: kaput on July 16, 2016, 08:07:57 AM
Neo, well done with the pliers, although it's a shame that you had to fix them.Ive noticed the same issue with the blade hole and opening it can be more difficult than it should, for a oho blade imo... Trying to adjust the pivot screw can make it easier to open, but also give it blade play. So that's a good modification. I haven't tried to fix it but this is a great idea.
I really like the wood insert as well. Is that held in by some kind of adhesive or simply press fit? Also, what kind of wood did you use?
This has me thinking of ways to make various contrasting inserts for those holes.
If you do the blade swap be sure and post it in the mod forum. I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Post by: cali-SAK-attack on July 16, 2016, 08:47:32 AM
:cheers:
Spring open plier head :tu:
Outside access knife & scissor tools :tu:
Pocket clip :tu:
Decent stock tool load out for the average day to day tasks , & mod-able if wanted :tu:
Good pricing NEW or used :tu:
Leatherman tough .......... & their warranty to boot :tu:
Post by: Neo on July 17, 2016, 04:06:23 AM
Neo, well done with the pliers, although it's a shame that you had to fix them.I had a cheap wooden 30cm ruler at home. Thickness was good for my need. Example photo:
I really like the wood insert as well. Is that held in by some kind of adhesive or simply press fit? Also, what kind of wood did you use?
This has me thinking of ways to make various contrasting inserts for those holes.
If you do the blade swap be sure and post it in the mod forum. I'm looking forward to seeing it.
(http://www.okulihtiyacim.com/hatas-ahsap-cetvel-30-cm-8722-48-B.jpg)
So that, i just cut a very little piece from it with my wingmans serrated knife and then by filing with the wingman, i had a tight fit size... I was thinking to use some glue, but because of the tight fit, decided there was no need.
Post by: Dan B on July 18, 2016, 07:40:51 AM
So that, i just cut a very little piece from it with my wingmans serrated knife and then by filing with the wingman, i had a tight fit size... I was thinking to use some glue, but because of the tight fit, decided there was no need.
Somehow it makes it just that much better that you made it using the tool that it would eventually be installed on.
Post by: Poncho65 on July 18, 2016, 07:33:45 PM
So that, i just cut a very little piece from it with my wingmans serrated knife and then by filing with the wingman, i had a tight fit size... I was thinking to use some glue, but because of the tight fit, decided there was no need.
Somehow it makes it just that much better that you made it using the tool that it would eventually be installed on.
Yes that does make it better :cheers:
Post by: aurabattler on September 05, 2016, 10:29:50 AM
I have had my Wingman for some time and it's just great. In the past I edc a Vic knife but it's just not enough as it doesn't carry a plier. It was OK but I had to get a new MT after my Dad took my Vic......
Admit that Wingman is not the best tool and not the top quality but it is handy and great value to money. Considering I am a small built Asian, 5'7, 140lbs, even wave is too bulky for edc. Wingman is not small and not super light but it is just handy. It cannot do every work but it does most of them.
I am working as a marketing guy and 90% of my daily work is in the office. I don't actually need any excellent tools. I just need something to edc for "just in case". Wingman is excellent for that. When I have jobs that I know I need proper and serious tools, like moving in an exhibition or setting up a stage event, I'll grab my Surge. Definitely, considering my body size, edc-ing a Surge is insane but a Wingman is just good for that. Also, there are blind spots for a Surge as it cannot do very fine jobs like fixing the computer, altering your gundam figures, fixing the buckles on your wife's purse.... Do it with a surge? No way, but a wingman does. It has spring loaded pliers and loose enough to handle super fine and light jobs. Enjoy your Wingman! By the way, the scissor in Wingman is not the best but it is just right after the one in Surge. I am a scissor freak, all my tools need to carry a proper scissor.
Post by: ThePeacent on September 05, 2016, 11:34:47 AM
Post by: Poncho65 on September 06, 2016, 04:17:14 PM
Hi guys. I am new here. Nice to see this group.
I have had my Wingman for some time and it's just great. In the past I edc a Vic knife but it's just not enough as it doesn't carry a plier. It was OK but I had to get a new MT after my Dad took my Vic......
Admit that Wingman is not the best tool and not the top quality but it is handy and great value to money. Considering I am a small built Asian, 5'7, 140lbs, even wave is too bulky for edc. Wingman is not small and not super light but it is just handy. It cannot do every work but it does most of them.
I am working as a marketing guy and 90% of my daily work is in the office. I don't actually need any excellent tools. I just need something to edc for "just in case". Wingman is excellent for that. When I have jobs that I know I need proper and serious tools, like moving in an exhibition or setting up a stage event, I'll grab my Surge. Definitely, considering my body size, edc-ing a Surge is insane but a Wingman is just good for that. Also, there are blind spots for a Surge as it cannot do very fine jobs like fixing the computer, altering your gundam figures, fixing the buckles on your wife's purse.... Do it with a surge? No way, but a wingman does. It has spring loaded pliers and loose enough to handle super fine and light jobs. Enjoy your Wingman! By the way, the scissor in Wingman is not the best but it is just right after the one in Surge. I am a scissor freak, all my tools need to carry a proper scissor.
I love scissors myself and it is always good to be prepared IMO :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
:like:
Post by: Poncho65 on September 06, 2016, 04:17:33 PM
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03800_zps6wrp7jbg.jpg)
I :like: it Peacent :cheers: :cheers:
Post by: ThePeacent on September 07, 2016, 09:51:38 PM
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03800_zps6wrp7jbg.jpg)
I :like: it Peacent :cheers: :cheers:
Then you'll like this, Wingman hiking in the Pyrinees! :salute:
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03468_zpszrne4qow.jpg)
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03473_zpsaxwk3o9l.jpg)
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03506_zps2h2ohao8.jpg)
Post by: Aloha on September 08, 2016, 07:02:30 AM
Its not about "if" you'll need a tool its about "when". Good to have you aboard.
Post by: ThePeacent on September 09, 2016, 11:07:39 PM
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03766_zpslggua2jn.jpg)
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03770_zpsfkmozqdy.jpg)
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03771_zpsialk5kgc.jpg)
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03758_zpsfyex9nwk.jpg)
Post by: Poncho65 on September 10, 2016, 01:53:59 AM
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03800_zps6wrp7jbg.jpg)
I :like: it Peacent :cheers: :cheers:
Then you'll like this, Wingman hiking in the Pyrinees! :salute:
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03468_zpszrne4qow.jpg)
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03473_zpsaxwk3o9l.jpg)
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03506_zps2h2ohao8.jpg)
Your right some great backgrounds there :dd:
:like:
Post by: aurabattler on September 14, 2016, 06:10:05 PM
I tried with other bits to the bit holder but things just can't hold!! I looked into the bit holder in detail and found the spring a bit distorted. The 7 shape spring was a bit twisted. Luckily I still have the little boy wingman with me. And I quickly fixed the spring holder with this little reliable boy. The surge is back in shape and bits don't fall anymore. Though it doesn't hold as solid as new, but it's still great! The bits don't fall but the bit extender falls if I strike the surge very strongly. But anyway, it works now. Thanks little Wingman!!
Post by: Poncho65 on September 14, 2016, 07:44:18 PM
I fixed the giant(surge) with the little boy(wingman) today. I have a stage event moving in today and I brought my most trustworthy buddy (surge) with me. When I was fixing a stool bar with the bit extender, I used the surge as pry bar (I know I am bad). Something not right, the bit extender fell out!!
I tried with other bits to the bit holder but things just can't hold!! I looked into the bit holder in detail and found the spring a bit distorted. The 7 shape spring was a bit twisted. Luckily I still have the little boy wingman with me. And I quickly fixed the spring holder with this little reliable boy. The surge is back in shape and bits don't fall anymore. Though it doesn't hold as solid as new, but it's still great! The bits don't fall but the bit extender falls if I strike the surge very strongly. But anyway, it works now. Thanks little Wingman!!
MTO, fixing MTs with other MTs since 2006 :salute: :D
Good job with the fix :tu:
Post by: aurabattler on September 14, 2016, 08:44:10 PM
MTO, fixing MTs with other MTs since 2006 :salute: :D
Good job with the fix :tu:
Yeah. And it is a fun story about a little boy saving a titan.
Post by: zrxoa1 on September 18, 2016, 08:09:52 PM
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Post by: ThePeacent on September 24, 2016, 08:30:37 PM
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/CAM03276_zps4tl1lspq.jpg)
Post by: aurabattler on September 27, 2016, 07:55:35 PM
Post by: JasonJ on September 28, 2016, 08:23:51 PM
Just found the package opener on Wingman an excellent orange peeler. Anyone does the same thing?
No, but you can bet I'm going to try it the next time I get my hands on an orange!!!
Also, I FOUND MY LOST SIDEKICK! The one my brother got me, my first Leatherman, and second multitool ever. I'm so happy, even though I now have two, plus a Wingman....
Post by: aurabattler on September 29, 2016, 12:20:04 PM
No, but you can bet I'm going to try it the next time I get my hands on an orange!!!Woo! Congrat for finding the lost tool! :multi:
Also, I FOUND MY LOST SIDEKICK! The one my brother got me, my first Leatherman, and second multitool ever. I'm so happy, even though I now have two, plus a Wingman....
Post by: Gareth on September 29, 2016, 01:04:04 PM
Just found the package opener on Wingman an excellent orange peeler. Anyone does the same thing?
No, but you can bet I'm going to try it the next time I get my hands on an orange!!!
Also, I FOUND MY LOST SIDEKICK! The one my brother got me, my first Leatherman, and second multitool ever. I'm so happy, even though I now have two, plus a Wingman....
You don't have two Sidekicks....you have one plus a backup. :whistle:
Good to hear it turned up. :tu:
Post by: Poncho65 on September 29, 2016, 03:41:05 PM
Just found the package opener on Wingman an excellent orange peeler. Anyone does the same thing?
No, but you can bet I'm going to try it the next time I get my hands on an orange!!!
Also, I FOUND MY LOST SIDEKICK! The one my brother got me, my first Leatherman, and second multitool ever. I'm so happy, even though I now have two, plus a Wingman....
You don't have two Sidekicks....you have one plus a backup. :whistle:
Good to hear it turned up. :tu:
I need one to start with I guess :facepalm: :D I have a Wingman and I do like it but no Sidekick :ahhh
Glad to hear you found your lost one though :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :like:
Post by: JasonJ on September 29, 2016, 05:22:53 PM
Just found the package opener on Wingman an excellent orange peeler. Anyone does the same thing?
No, but you can bet I'm going to try it the next time I get my hands on an orange!!!
Also, I FOUND MY LOST SIDEKICK! The one my brother got me, my first Leatherman, and second multitool ever. I'm so happy, even though I now have two, plus a Wingman....
You don't have two Sidekicks....you have one plus a backup. :whistle:
Good to hear it turned up. :tu:
I need one to start with I guess :facepalm: :D I have a Wingman and I do like it but no Sidekick :ahhh
Glad to hear you found your lost one though :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :like:
Thanks! And yes, the Wingman is nice.. but the Sidekick is nicer in some ways, but more so if you need a med-duty MT of reasonable cost for the outdoors. My Ideal Sideman/Wingkick would have the plain edge blade of the Sidekick, keep the saw, keep the small serrated blade (a mini backup blade is always good), add the package opener and scissors.
Best combination of woods and urban MT. I just wish the tool was lighter.. at about an ounce less than a Wave, it's far heavier than it needs to be. Perhaps a Ti version (oh man, could you imagine the cost for that!?).
Post by: Simplon on November 23, 2016, 09:20:07 PM
Post by: Poncho65 on November 23, 2016, 10:25:24 PM
Another club to join. I purchased a very nice Sidekick today, now I must look out for a Wingman. :multi:
:like:
Still don't have a Sidekick :ahhh
I think if I got one then I might take both of them apart and put my favorite tools from each on one tool :think: :cheers:
Post by: Simplon on November 23, 2016, 11:13:16 PM
Sounds like a plan :like:Another club to join. I purchased a very nice Sidekick today, now I must look out for a Wingman. :multi:
:like:
Still don't have a Sidekick :ahhh
I think if I got one then I might take both of them apart and put my favorite tools from each on one tool :think: :cheers:
Post by: LoopCutter on November 26, 2016, 02:57:13 AM
I picked up a Sidekick Tuesday before dinner. Special pricing at Home Depot near hotel I stay at. Did complete comparison between it and my toolkit Wingman (another special price 19$ at HD in mid winter). I was puzzled by Leatherman's pricing as I like the Wingman better as a package to the SK. Yet why are they now the same price, yet the SK includes the sheath???Another club to join. I purchased a very nice Sidekick today, now I must look out for a Wingman. :multi:
:like:
Still don't have a Sidekick :ahhh
I think if I got one then I might take both of them apart and put my favorite tools from each on one tool :think: :cheers:
Combine the Plain edge, sissors, and serrated blade in one package, then in other the combo blade, saw and orange peeler in the other.
First be a SideWing, the other a KickMan. :facepalm: The pocketclip is great on both models.
I am very very weak, can not walk away from a bargain, now also have a skeltool another HD deal.
Post by: Alan K. on November 26, 2016, 06:43:54 AM
Post by: charlie fox on November 26, 2016, 01:28:38 PM
Post by: Simplon on November 26, 2016, 07:47:24 PM
Post by: Poncho65 on November 26, 2016, 09:08:45 PM
Work just provided all of us with a new Wingman! :tu:
Glad to hear that :cheers: I wished more workplaces provided them :like:
Post by: Poncho65 on November 26, 2016, 09:11:47 PM
It's called impulse control and it is something I am lacking as well because I also bought the Skeletool this evening. I would take a picture of the sidekick and skeletool together, but the camera battery is charging. Anyway, here's a picture of the Sidekick so as not to derail this thread.
Two very good purchases if you ask me :D :like:
Post by: Simplon on November 28, 2016, 09:25:21 AM
Post by: Simplon on November 28, 2016, 09:29:40 AM
Post by: smokinsam on December 09, 2016, 03:05:46 AM
Anyone wanna sell one?
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Post by: Poncho65 on December 09, 2016, 03:50:04 AM
I got a wingman today and I'm looking to get a case or sheath for it.
Anyone wanna sell one?
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Don't have one for sale but any of the newer LM sheaths will fit the Wingman I think :tu: Where did you get your LM? They may even sale them there :cheers: :like:
Post by: Poncho65 on December 09, 2016, 03:50:34 AM
Post by: smokinsam on December 09, 2016, 03:57:19 AM
Pretty good deal I think
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Post by: LoopCutter on December 09, 2016, 01:25:35 PM
PS: You are a lucky man to have a wife with an eye for MT and bargains.
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Post by: Gareth on December 09, 2016, 02:02:45 PM
Post by: LoopCutter on December 09, 2016, 03:01:41 PM
What sheath is the Sidekick coming with these days? Is it still the suede slip sheath with no belt loop?A nylon with belt loop.
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Post by: Gareth on December 09, 2016, 04:49:36 PM
What sheath is the Sidekick coming with these days? Is it still the suede slip sheath with no belt loop?A nylon with belt loop.
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Cheers LoopCutter. :cheers:
Post by: JustinCase on January 01, 2017, 11:53:24 PM
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Post by: Gareth on January 02, 2017, 10:49:27 PM
Post by: SurivStud on January 20, 2017, 02:38:03 PM
I purchased the Ozark Trail multi-tool at Walmart for less than $4 only because of the nice hard boxed nylon sheath that comes with it and it fits the Wingman and Sidekick like a glove.
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I can't see the pic... could be posted again?
Post by: Alan K. on January 21, 2017, 04:35:55 PM
Post by: chrono on January 21, 2017, 06:39:58 PM
Here's the picture from Wal-Mart of the $3.87 tool with sheath. The sheath does look like it is better than the tool. I probably would buy it just for the sheath and pitch the tool. Or send it to Chako, he likes that sort of thing.
Damn, they must run on very tight margin to sell at that price
Post by: ThePeacent on January 23, 2017, 05:27:05 PM
Post by: SurivStud on January 23, 2017, 09:48:28 PM
Surge for tough duties, Juice CS4 when only a small, discrete tool is suitable for the occasion, and the beautiful Wingman for preparedness the rest of the time.
I know, is the acute disseminated multitools desease which makes me feel "those are all the tools you need" by now, but soon will make me fell "you need one more for this other type or situations"
I'll stay in control with these three. I am quite sure I won't find in my country a good enough deal as to make me buy another one.
Post by: aurabattler on January 24, 2017, 12:41:53 PM
I read your thread and the natural consequence took place: Got my Wingman today. Nice tool. Light, great scissors, comfortable, good looking.Stay on MTO, I am sure you cant control.... :multi:
Surge for tough duties, Juice CS4 when only a small, discrete tool is suitable for the occasion, and the beautiful Wingman for preparedness the rest of the time.
I know, is the acute disseminated multitools desease which makes me feel "those are all the tools you need" by now, but soon will make me fell "you need one more for this other type or situations"
I'll stay in control with these three. I am quite sure I won't find in my country a good enough deal as to make me buy another one.
Post by: gregpost on January 25, 2017, 10:43:15 PM
Post by: Poncho65 on January 26, 2017, 03:45:39 AM
The Wingman has over 2,000 reviews on Amazon and a rating of 4.6 out 5 stars. The Sidekick has over 1,000 reviews and an average of 4.7 stars out of 5. Seems like these tool are a big hit for Leatherman and have a lot of users who are satisfied.
I am pretty satisfied with my Wingman :tu: Hardly ever use it but when I have used it I am glad I have it :cheers: :like:
Post by: crokan on January 26, 2017, 12:43:00 PM
and waves ofc
Post by: Poncho65 on January 26, 2017, 10:09:24 PM
Post by: Poncho65 on January 26, 2017, 10:10:01 PM
>:D
:D
Post by: crokan on January 27, 2017, 01:50:27 AM
What are you going to do with the box of parts :osome im probly gonna use but rest are atm in a useless non closable mt xD might reshape some tools like turn the useless file ruler into an awl or smth or just a smaller flathead with thin body :multi: :climber:
>:D
:D
Post by: inde on January 28, 2017, 03:20:49 PM
Post by: Zachary Edwards on January 28, 2017, 09:00:18 PM
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Post by: an0nemus on February 23, 2017, 02:42:10 PM
Please see my WIngman here https://vid.me/K1R2
Post by: crokan on February 23, 2017, 02:49:57 PM
Hello! I just bought my first Leatherman, the Wingman. I noticed this wiggle/play. Is this normal or should I return this for replacement? Thanks for any info!Mine doesnt have play anywhere
Is it the pliers that have play or What?
Post by: an0nemus on February 23, 2017, 02:56:34 PM
The handles. Please see my WIngman here https://vid.me/K1R2Hello! I just bought my first Leatherman, the Wingman. I noticed this wiggle/play. Is this normal or should I return this for replacement? Thanks for any info!Mine doesnt have play anywhere
Is it the pliers that have play or What?
Post by: crokan on February 23, 2017, 03:14:31 PM
Ah i wouldnt call that play Its normal it just the metal being able to move most tools have alittle movement like that in the handels when closed wave doesnt tho because of the metal being .."folded" to create the blade slots while the wingman just has an extra piece of metal attatched by the pivotsThe handles. Please see my WIngman here https://vid.me/K1R2Hello! I just bought my first Leatherman, the Wingman. I noticed this wiggle/play. Is this normal or should I return this for replacement? Thanks for any info!Mine doesnt have play anywhere
Is it the pliers that have play or What?
As long as there isnt play when the tool is open Its normal :)
Post by: SurivStud on February 23, 2017, 03:28:10 PM
I haven't tried to do anything to fix it. I live far away from any leatherman dealer and to me this play isn't enough as to sending it out and waiting for it to get back.
Post by: an0nemus on February 23, 2017, 03:28:33 PM
Thanks for that very helpful and reassuring info, crokan! Much appreciated :)Ah i wouldnt call that play Its normal it just the metal being able to move most tools have alittle movement like that in the handels when closed wave doesnt tho because of the metal being .."folded" to create the blade slots while the wingman just has an extra piece of metal attatched by the pivotsThe handles. Please see my WIngman here https://vid.me/K1R2Hello! I just bought my first Leatherman, the Wingman. I noticed this wiggle/play. Is this normal or should I return this for replacement? Thanks for any info!Mine doesnt have play anywhere
Is it the pliers that have play or What?
As long as there isnt play when the tool is open Its normal :)
Post by: crokan on February 23, 2017, 03:30:32 PM
Thanks for that very helpful and reassuring info, crokan! Much appreciated :)
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No problem glad i could be of assistance :tu:
Post by: an0nemus on February 23, 2017, 03:31:17 PM
Mine does have the same play. I have had it for several months and use it quite often and this play remains the same since I bought it. It happens only at the closed position but when the pliers is deployed everything fits perfectly.Its reassuring to know this SurivStud. I do have 10 days to return my item if there's manufacturing defect so I'm checking around if this is something unusual for a Wingman. I'm now reading the reviews over at Amazon as well
I haven't tried to do anything to fix it. I live far away from any leatherman dealer and to me this play isn't enough as to sending it out and waiting for it to get back.
Post by: LoopCutter on February 23, 2017, 06:49:16 PM
I rely on the needle nose for gripping 18 and 23 gauge wire since my fingers have trouble fitting in holding till tight on many a connector I am terminating.
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Post by: an0nemus on February 23, 2017, 10:26:30 PM
I have a Wingman clipped on my tool bag. Have had for over a year. The tools are all solid, yet the handles have the same flex as your video shows. A good tool with the scissors.I really appreciate the information, LoopCutter. My confidence in my Wingman is growing knowing that it's not detective 👍
I rely on the needle nose for gripping 18 and 23 gauge wire since my fingers have trouble fitting in holding till tight on many a connector I am terminating.
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Post by: LoopCutter on February 23, 2017, 11:18:01 PM
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Post by: an0nemus on February 23, 2017, 11:25:36 PM
It and the sidekick are good tools and priced rightYup, they're excellent value-for-money items and entity point into the world of Leatherman
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Post by: an0nemus on February 24, 2017, 01:40:07 AM
https://youtu.be/n1FDMiPPRFE
Also, got an email reply from Leatherman about the wiggle
Thanks again everyone!
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Post by: an0nemus on February 24, 2017, 09:02:34 AM
Post by: SurivStud on March 02, 2017, 12:37:14 AM
...Stay on MTO, I am sure you cant control.... :multi:
I know, is the acute disseminated multitools desease which makes me feel "those are all the tools you need" by now, but soon will make me feel "you need one more for this other type or situations"
I'll stay in control with these three. I am quite sure I won't find in my country a good enough deal as to make me buy another one.
You were right.
But now I am sure, these are the ones I need. These four beautiful Multitools are all the pieces I need... I know... I am positive on this... don't need any other MT.
Há!
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Post by: an0nemus on March 04, 2017, 02:13:35 PM
Question: do you lubricate your Leatherman? I read somewhere someone saying WD40 is not advisable, and better use silicon oil. What's a silicon oil?
Post by: Bacolodnon81 on March 06, 2017, 02:01:42 PM
Post by: SurivStud on March 07, 2017, 03:26:06 AM
I really like how smooth my Wingman is as there is no sharp edge or corner!
Question: do you lubricate your Leatherman? I read somewhere someone saying WD40 is not advisable, and better use silicon oil. What's a silicon oil?
Actually, The manufacturer suggests to use a water displacing product such as WD40 at their maintenance tips page:
"After cleaning, re-oil pivoting areas with a light machine or penetrating type oil (such as WD-40)"
And
"After cleaning, dry your Leatherman and apply a light machine oil or a water-displacing product (WD-40
) "https://www.leatherman.com/maintenance.html
I would use just that.
Post by: hellsing on March 07, 2017, 08:20:38 AM
I know i will be disappointed compared to my wave, surge st300, cs4 etc, but you know, it's MTO!
Post by: an0nemus on March 07, 2017, 08:31:22 AM
Thank you so much for this, SurivStud! Very helpful!I really like how smooth my Wingman is as there is no sharp edge or corner!
Question: do you lubricate your Leatherman? I read somewhere someone saying WD40 is not advisable, and better use silicon oil. What's a silicon oil?
Actually, The manufacturer suggests to use a water displacing product such as WD40 at their maintenance tips page:
"After cleaning, re-oil pivoting areas with a light machine or penetrating type oil (such as WD-40)"
And
"After cleaning, dry your Leatherman and apply a light machine oil or a water-displacing product (WD-40
https://www.leatherman.com/maintenance.html
I would use just that.
I'm curious to know how are the users' experiences of using WD40 on their Wingmans.
Anyone?
Post by: Aloha on March 07, 2017, 08:52:33 AM
I'm weak, i know. I finally bought one wingman.
I know i will be disappointed compared to my wave, surge st300, cs4 etc, but you know, it's MTO!
I think you might be surprised. The spung pliers are really nice. Over all the tool is pretty nice as well. Congrats.
Post by: zoidberg on March 07, 2017, 09:05:24 AM
Thank you so much for this, SurivStud! Very helpful!I really like how smooth my Wingman is as there is no sharp edge or corner!
Question: do you lubricate your Leatherman? I read somewhere someone saying WD40 is not advisable, and better use silicon oil. What's a silicon oil?
Actually, The manufacturer suggests to use a water displacing product such as WD40 at their maintenance tips page:
"After cleaning, re-oil pivoting areas with a light machine or penetrating type oil (such as WD-40)"
And
"After cleaning, dry your Leatherman and apply a light machine oil or a water-displacing product (WD-40
https://www.leatherman.com/maintenance.html
I would use just that.
I'm curious to know how are the users' experiences of using WD40 on their Wingmans.
Anyone?
I use wd40 on work duty leathermans.
These tools get wet and dirty daily.
At the end of the week they get washed off, spayed with wd40 and thrown back in the tool bucket.
My edc leathermans get whatever is handy.
Engine oil, nano oil, 3 in 1 machine oil etc etc.
Post by: an0nemus on March 07, 2017, 03:31:08 PM
Thanks zoldberg. I'm now fully convincedThank you so much for this, SurivStud! Very helpful!I really like how smooth my Wingman is as there is no sharp edge or corner!
Question: do you lubricate your Leatherman? I read somewhere someone saying WD40 is not advisable, and better use silicon oil. What's a silicon oil?
Actually, The manufacturer suggests to use a water displacing product such as WD40 at their maintenance tips page:
"After cleaning, re-oil pivoting areas with a light machine or penetrating type oil (such as WD-40)"
And
"After cleaning, dry your Leatherman and apply a light machine oil or a water-displacing product (WD-40
https://www.leatherman.com/maintenance.html
I would use just that.
I'm curious to know how are the users' experiences of using WD40 on their Wingmans.
Anyone?
I use wd40 on work duty leathermans.
These tools get wet and dirty daily.
At the end of the week they get washed off, spayed with wd40 and thrown back in the tool bucket.
My edc leathermans get whatever is handy.
Engine oil, nano oil, 3 in 1 machine oil etc etc.
Post by: LoopCutter on March 07, 2017, 03:56:49 PM
I'm weak, i know. I finally bought one wingman.I do not think you will. I have a Rebar, ST300 and Wave, as well the Sidekick and Wingman.
I know i will be disappointed compared to my wave, surge st300, cs4 etc, but you know, it's MTO!
My Wingman rides in side pocket of tool grip and ready full time. The others ride in sheaths and not always with me daily.
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Post by: zoidberg on March 07, 2017, 08:41:17 PM
Thanks zoldberg. I'm now fully convincedThank you so much for this, SurivStud! Very helpful!I really like how smooth my Wingman is as there is no sharp edge or corner!
Question: do you lubricate your Leatherman? I read somewhere someone saying WD40 is not advisable, and better use silicon oil. What's a silicon oil?
Actually, The manufacturer suggests to use a water displacing product such as WD40 at their maintenance tips page:
"After cleaning, re-oil pivoting areas with a light machine or penetrating type oil (such as WD-40)"
And
"After cleaning, dry your Leatherman and apply a light machine oil or a water-displacing product (WD-40
https://www.leatherman.com/maintenance.html
I would use just that.
I'm curious to know how are the users' experiences of using WD40 on their Wingmans.
Anyone?
I use wd40 on work duty leathermans.
These tools get wet and dirty daily.
At the end of the week they get washed off, spayed with wd40 and thrown back in the tool bucket.
My edc leathermans get whatever is handy.
Engine oil, nano oil, 3 in 1 machine oil etc etc.
Nano oil and 3 in 1 machine oil don't smell nearly as bad as engine oil and wd40 - something to consider if you work inside or around other people.
Post by: LoopCutter on March 08, 2017, 12:45:00 AM
A slippery tool can be a dangerous tool, or accident about to occur.
Another low order option is mineral oil, I use to wipe down higher carbon type tools, not always my SS leather mans that frequently unless nothing else is handy on job site.
Mineral oil also works good on my cutting boards, drives my wife nuts, thinking I used a gun oil on her meal prep accessories,
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Post by: Gareth on March 08, 2017, 09:34:14 AM
I'm weak, i know. I finally bought one wingman.
I know i will be disappointed compared to my wave, surge st300, cs4 etc, but you know, it's MTO!
As the others have said; give the Wingman a fair chance, you might be pleasantly surprised. It will likely feel "different" to your other LM, but I still like my Sidekick very much.
Post by: an0nemus on March 08, 2017, 01:49:08 PM
thanks, zoidberg.Thanks zoidberg. I'm now fully convincedThank you so much for this, SurivStud! Very helpful!I really like how smooth my Wingman is as there is no sharp edge or corner!
Question: do you lubricate your Leatherman? I read somewhere someone saying WD40 is not advisable, and better use silicon oil. What's a silicon oil?
Actually, The manufacturer suggests to use a water displacing product such as WD40 at their maintenance tips page:
"After cleaning, re-oil pivoting areas with a light machine or penetrating type oil (such as WD-40)"
And
"After cleaning, dry your Leatherman and apply a light machine oil or a water-displacing product (WD-40
https://www.leatherman.com/maintenance.html
I would use just that.
I'm curious to know how are the users' experiences of using WD40 on their Wingmans.
Anyone?
I use wd40 on work duty leathermans.
These tools get wet and dirty daily.
At the end of the week they get washed off, spayed with wd40 and thrown back in the tool bucket.
My edc leathermans get whatever is handy.
Engine oil, nano oil, 3 in 1 machine oil etc etc.
Nano oil and 3 in 1 machine oil don't smell nearly as bad as engine oil and wd40 - something to consider if you work inside or around other people.
any idea what a silicon oil is? have you used one?
Post by: an0nemus on March 08, 2017, 01:51:40 PM
Wipe down the tools and apply to pivot points. The outer surfaces of handles not so much.Ah, wife uses virgin coconut oil for cooking, I just might try that one out also! :D
A slippery tool can be a dangerous tool, or accident about to occur.
Another low order option is mineral oil, I use to wipe down higher carbon type tools, not always my SS leather mans that frequently unless nothing else is handy on job site.
Mineral oil also works good on my cutting boards, drives my wife nuts, thinking I used a gun oil on her meal prep accessories,
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Post by: zoidberg on March 09, 2017, 10:34:10 PM
thanks, zoidberg.Thanks zoidberg. I'm now fully convincedThank you so much for this, SurivStud! Very helpful!I really like how smooth my Wingman is as there is no sharp edge or corner!
Question: do you lubricate your Leatherman? I read somewhere someone saying WD40 is not advisable, and better use silicon oil. What's a silicon oil?
Actually, The manufacturer suggests to use a water displacing product such as WD40 at their maintenance tips page:
"After cleaning, re-oil pivoting areas with a light machine or penetrating type oil (such as WD-40)"
And
"After cleaning, dry your Leatherman and apply a light machine oil or a water-displacing product (WD-40
https://www.leatherman.com/maintenance.html
I would use just that.
I'm curious to know how are the users' experiences of using WD40 on their Wingmans.
Anyone?
I use wd40 on work duty leathermans.
These tools get wet and dirty daily.
At the end of the week they get washed off, spayed with wd40 and thrown back in the tool bucket.
My edc leathermans get whatever is handy.
Engine oil, nano oil, 3 in 1 machine oil etc etc.
Nano oil and 3 in 1 machine oil don't smell nearly as bad as engine oil and wd40 - something to consider if you work inside or around other people.
any idea what a silicon oil is? have you used one?
Got a can of CRC 808 silicone that I use on rubik's cubes. Works good on door hinges and locks. Haven't tried it on a multitool yet though, maybe I should.
On second thoughts I will try it now with my OHT...
Post by: an0nemus on March 11, 2017, 07:49:39 AM
How is silicone on your OHT?thanks, zoidberg.Thanks zoidberg. I'm now fully convincedThank you so much for this, SurivStud! Very helpful!I really like how smooth my Wingman is as there is no sharp edge or corner!
Question: do you lubricate your Leatherman? I read somewhere someone saying WD40 is not advisable, and better use silicon oil. What's a silicon oil?
Actually, The manufacturer suggests to use a water displacing product such as WD40 at their maintenance tips page:
"After cleaning, re-oil pivoting areas with a light machine or penetrating type oil (such as WD-40)"
And
"After cleaning, dry your Leatherman and apply a light machine oil or a water-displacing product (WD-40
https://www.leatherman.com/maintenance.html
I would use just that.
I'm curious to know how are the users' experiences of using WD40 on their Wingmans.
Anyone?
I use wd40 on work duty leathermans.
These tools get wet and dirty daily.
At the end of the week they get washed off, spayed with wd40 and thrown back in the tool bucket.
My edc leathermans get whatever is handy.
Engine oil, nano oil, 3 in 1 machine oil etc etc.
Nano oil and 3 in 1 machine oil don't smell nearly as bad as engine oil and wd40 - something to consider if you work inside or around other people.
any idea what a silicon oil is? have you used one?
Got a can of CRC 808 silicone that I use on rubik's cubes. Works good on door hinges and locks. Haven't tried it on a multitool yet though, maybe I should.
On second thoughts I will try it now with my OHT...
By the way, my family just received a large cash gift and I suddenly had an impulse to buy another Leatherman. I did a quick research and considered getting a Charge Tti, Surge, Wave and Rebar. I was already in the Leatherman shop and about to buy a Surge when the wife said to think about it more. So I just postponed my purchase and bought a leather pouch in the meantime.
Since I really don't use my multitools much, I couldn't find a good enough reason to upgrade...for now.
I really like the size, pocket clip, scissors and springed pliers of my Wingman!
Post by: ThePeacent on March 11, 2017, 11:11:10 AM
Post by: Aloha on March 11, 2017, 05:05:33 PM
IMO being a light user of your MT doesn't negate having either the Wave or Surge. Its more about capability. My suggestion would be if you end up deciding on either the Wave or Surge be sure to get the bit cards and extender.
Post by: LoopCutter on March 11, 2017, 06:49:22 PM
How is silicone on your OHT?Your wife is smart. Avoid impulse buying.
By the way, my family just received a large cash gift and I suddenly had an impulse to buy another Leatherman. I did a quick research and considered getting a Charge Tti, Surge, Wave and Rebar. I was already in the Leatherman shop and about to buy a Surge when the wife said to think about it more. So I just postponed my purchase and bought a leather pouch in the meantime.
Since I really don't use my multitools much, I couldn't find a good enough reason to upgrade...for now.
I really like the size, pocket clip, scissors and springed pliers of my Wingman!
A Wave is a baby Surge.
Charge Tti is an expensive Wave, IMHO.
Do right by your needs and family. No need to impress us virtual friends, we accept you for just having interest!
Of course a Picture of leather pouch will will help calm my buying impluse
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Post by: zoidberg on March 11, 2017, 11:11:48 PM
How is silicone on your OHT?Your wife is smart. Avoid impulse buying.
By the way, my family just received a large cash gift and I suddenly had an impulse to buy another Leatherman. I did a quick research and considered getting a Charge Tti, Surge, Wave and Rebar. I was already in the Leatherman shop and about to buy a Surge when the wife said to think about it more. So I just postponed my purchase and bought a leather pouch in the meantime.
Since I really don't use my multitools much, I couldn't find a good enough reason to upgrade...for now.
I really like the size, pocket clip, scissors and springed pliers of my Wingman!
A Wave is a baby Surge.
Charge Tti is an expensive Wave, IMHO.
Do right by your needs and family. No need to impress us virtual friends, we accept you for just having interest!
Of course a Picture of leather pouch will will help calm my buying impluse
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So far it's all good. No problems with the oht after it's silicone bath. Still early days yet though.
I agree with what LoopCutter has said. Needs over wants. And take your time to choose a multitool, no rushing needed.
If you must treat yourself then consider something like a rambler (victorinox) or i3s (olight) for your key ring, less expensive and still very useful.
Post by: jlomein on March 11, 2017, 11:50:22 PM
I haven't opened it yet, but notice odd rust like color between the printed letters on the handles. There's also circles of this color on the handles around the pivot screws. Below is a close up photo.
Do you think this is rust? It also kind of looks like it could be stamped plated metal with a copper colored core and a silver color plated surface. Anyone know?
Thanks
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m204/jlomein/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20170309_150550_zps0oetjngi.jpg)
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m204/jlomein/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20170311_143635_zpscdzr3uyd.jpg)
Post by: an0nemus on March 12, 2017, 01:14:02 AM
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-01/20170111_125346_zpso7bqcaz8.jpg)Sensible bunch!
Post by: an0nemus on March 12, 2017, 01:16:13 AM
Big fan of both the Sidekick and Wingman. I got a Wave very shortly after having the other tools and what I can tell you is this, its AWESOME. I later got a Surge and well, its, AWESOMER.I can imagine how it feels! The Charge Tti package does come with the bitkit and pocketclip, but I can't bring myself to buy it as its also a midsize MT like my Wingman.
IMO being a light user of your MT doesn't negate having either the Wave or Surge. Its more about capability. My suggestion would be if you end up deciding on either the Wave or Surge be sure to get the bit cards and extender.
But I'm sure down the road I'll get a Bit Kit just so to complete the accessories.
Post by: an0nemus on March 12, 2017, 01:19:12 AM
After reading various reviews, those are the same conclusions I came up with! Its either I upsize (Surge) or downsize (pockettools) relative to my Wingman.How is silicone on your OHT?Your wife is smart. Avoid impulse buying.
By the way, my family just received a large cash gift and I suddenly had an impulse to buy another Leatherman. I did a quick research and considered getting a Charge Tti, Surge, Wave and Rebar. I was already in the Leatherman shop and about to buy a Surge when the wife said to think about it more. So I just postponed my purchase and bought a leather pouch in the meantime.
Since I really don't use my multitools much, I couldn't find a good enough reason to upgrade...for now.
I really like the size, pocket clip, scissors and springed pliers of my Wingman!
A Wave is a baby Surge.
Charge Tti is an expensive Wave, IMHO.
Do right by your needs and family. No need to impress us virtual friends, we accept you for just having interest!
Of course a Picture of leather pouch will will help calm my buying impluse
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In the meantime, to satisfy the urge, I got this for my Wingman for around $9. Its a bit big for it, though. But I like the horizontal carry feature.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170312/61c384c747a39c577194f9cb12c66cf0.jpg)
Post by: an0nemus on March 12, 2017, 01:23:37 AM
I do have some non-Leatherman pockettools around, but not a true MT heavy weight. I think I'll buy that Surge anytime soon when there's a sale as its currently being sold at $160 here at full retail price with 25 year warranty.How is silicone on your OHT?Your wife is smart. Avoid impulse buying.
By the way, my family just received a large cash gift and I suddenly had an impulse to buy another Leatherman. I did a quick research and considered getting a Charge Tti, Surge, Wave and Rebar. I was already in the Leatherman shop and about to buy a Surge when the wife said to think about it more. So I just postponed my purchase and bought a leather pouch in the meantime.
Since I really don't use my multitools much, I couldn't find a good enough reason to upgrade...for now.
I really like the size, pocket clip, scissors and springed pliers of my Wingman!
A Wave is a baby Surge.
Charge Tti is an expensive Wave, IMHO.
Do right by your needs and family. No need to impress us virtual friends, we accept you for just having interest!
Of course a Picture of leather pouch will will help calm my buying impluse
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So far it's all good. No problems with the oht after it's silicone bath. Still early days yet though.
I agree with what LoopCutter has said. Needs over wants. And take your time to choose a multitool, no rushing needed.
If you must treat yourself then consider something like a rambler (victorinox) or i3s (olight) for your key ring, less expensive and still very useful.
Last night though I saw this unused Texas Tool Crafters item on sale for only $140, unfortunately I was late by a day as someone bought it already!
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170312/ef9807ccec86a11154804bf92d48a3a6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170312/ef92bb7d090008a95443fe351fc4d514.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170312/f1e02b91edd6e16ffb411229176e5fc9.jpg)
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
In the meantime, I'm still enjoying my Wingman as my first LM tool!
Post by: an0nemus on March 12, 2017, 01:26:02 AM
Hello good Wingman/Sidekick owners. I bought a Wingman from Walmart.ca last week. It sure comes in some unusually tough packaging.Looks like rust to me, jlomein. But wait for the experts opinion here.
I haven't opened it yet, but notice odd rust like color between the printed letters on the handles. There's also circles of this color on the handles around the pivot screws. Below is a close up photo.
Do you think this is rust? It also kind of looks like it could be stamped plated metal with a copper colored core and a silver color plated surface. Anyone know?
Thanks
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m204/jlomein/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20170309_150550_zps0oetjngi.jpg)
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m204/jlomein/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20170311_143635_zpscdzr3uyd.jpg)
Post by: LoopCutter on March 12, 2017, 01:37:00 AM
After reading various reviews, those are the same conclusions I came up with! Its either I upsize (Surge) or downsize (pockettools) relative to my Wingman.Thank you for the pic of the sheath, I have the same that came with a 2004 Wave. Also, picked another to hold my bits and extension and a SAK climber.
In the meantime, to satisfy the urge, I got this for my Wingman for around $9. Its a bit big for it, though. But I like the horizontal carry feature.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170312/61c384c747a39c577194f9cb12c66cf0.jpg)
A Surge sounds like a good fit from your description. That Texas model was a good price, but not certain your exchange rates. You are in Phillipines?
All the best.
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Post by: LoopCutter on March 12, 2017, 01:42:23 AM
Hello good Wingman/Sidekick owners. I bought a Wingman from Walmart.ca last week. It sure comes in some unusually tough packaging.I suspect it is a thin oil coating applied to non US shipped products.
I haven't opened it yet, but notice odd rust like color between the printed letters on the handles. There's also circles of this color on the handles around the pivot screws. Below is a close up photo.
Do you think this is rust? It also kind of looks like it could be stamped plated metal with a copper colored core and a silver color plated surface. Anyone know?
Thanks
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m204/jlomein/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20170309_150550_zps0oetjngi.jpg)
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m204/jlomein/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20170311_143635_zpscdzr3uyd.jpg)
The Wingman is made of stainless steel, a very rust resistant metal.
Just remember your LM has a 25 year warranty.
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Post by: an0nemus on March 12, 2017, 02:00:10 AM
Yup, I'm here in the Philippines. That unused Texas Surge sold for PHP 7,000 or US$140, at the current exchange rate. A brand new, full retail, full warranty Surge here costs PHP 7,900.
There is a brand new Black Oxide Surge that costs US$130 with black leather sheath, but it has no official warranty. But I don't like black as I prefer shiny tools to look at :)
Post by: jlomein on March 12, 2017, 05:13:53 AM
Looks like rust to me, jlomein. But wait for the experts opinion here.
Thank you for your input. :)
Quote
I suspect it is a thin oil coating applied to non US shipped products.
The Wingman is made of stainless steel, a very rust resistant metal.
Just remember your LM has a 25 year warranty.
You could be right, I do remember my Glock coming with a reddish copper like lubricant under the slide. Thanks for the reply.
I guess I can open it now to verify. Initially I was concerned it could have been a fake that Walmart accepted as a return and put back in stock.
I could really use the Wingman's clamshell plastic opener on this indestructible packaging...I'll need to find a used Wingman to open this one! :D
Post by: hellsing on March 13, 2017, 10:41:18 AM
I'm weak, i know. I finally bought one wingman.
I know i will be disappointed compared to my wave, surge st300, cs4 etc, but you know, it's MTO!
I think you might be surprised. The spung pliers are really nice. Over all the tool is pretty nice as well. Congrats.
Indeed, it's quite correct. The file is totally worthless, but the rest is descent.
I'm a bit disappointed by the scissor, they aren't one hand opening on my wingman.
And sadly a wave blade can't go in.
Post by: an0nemus on March 14, 2017, 04:22:51 AM
My wife even congratulated me for my excellent find 😁
Post by: LoopCutter on March 14, 2017, 05:56:05 AM
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Post by: an0nemus on March 14, 2017, 08:16:07 AM
Congratulations, that is an excellent deal.
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Thanks, LoopCutter! Been carrying the Charge since I bought it this morning. I must admit I like the Wingman's weight and slimness better, though. It prints less conspicuously when carried vertically :)
Post by: Poncho65 on March 14, 2017, 02:40:48 PM
Post by: an0nemus on March 14, 2017, 02:46:19 PM
Great deal on the Charge :o You will like it overall better than the Wingman because it is very similarly sized but many more functions :tu: Oh and those nice Ti scales :dd: :like:Thanks, Poncho65! And I extremely enjoyed reading your definitive posts about the Charge in another thread.
Being my first LM, I must admit the Wingman will hold the most sentimental value. Ironically, because of its price, its also the LM I won't mind much losing or getting stolen, compared to the Charge :D
Post by: LoopCutter on March 14, 2017, 04:25:40 PM
Quote from: an0nemus link=topic=32239.msg1440042#msg1440042
Being my first LM, I must admit the Wingman will hold the most sentimental value. Ironically, because of its price, its also the LM I won't mind much losing or getting stolen, compared to the Charge :DI do not like it all that I misplace any of my tools. Especially a tool that I got a good deal becomes more special as it is likely that deal will never be repeated.
My best deal was a ST300 for under$39, and then the Wingman for $19. And, my WAVE (2004) a gift from my son.
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Post by: an0nemus on March 15, 2017, 04:46:52 AM
Wow, those are drool-worthy deals, LoopCutter!Quote from: an0nemus link=topic=32239.msg1440042#msg1440042Being my first LM, I must admit the Wingman will hold the most sentimental value. Ironically, because of its price, its also the LM I won't mind much losing or getting stolen, compared to the Charge :DI do not like it all that I misplace any of my tools. Especially a tool that I got a good deal becomes more special as it is likely that deal will never be repeated.
My best deal was a ST300 for under$39, and then the Wingman for $19. And, my WAVE (2004) a gift from my son.
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You're correct, each LM is valuable in many ways
Post by: Yadda on March 20, 2017, 03:56:58 AM
Post by: an0nemus on March 20, 2017, 06:28:49 AM
Post by: Gareth on March 20, 2017, 09:21:02 AM
I picked up a couple of Sidekicks at Home Depot. I paid the princely sum of $7.52 US for each of them.
That's practically free! :D
Post by: Poncho65 on March 20, 2017, 01:27:53 PM
:facepalm:
Great deal though :o :like:
Post by: Alan K. on March 21, 2017, 01:09:24 PM
I unfortunately don't have any HD close to me to check :bnghd:
I do! I'll be on my way to check on them shortly. That's a price worthy of a little driving around. :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Post by: Alan K. on March 22, 2017, 01:18:24 AM
Post by: Yadda on March 22, 2017, 03:41:06 AM
Don't feel too bad Poncho. I managed to hit 5 home depots today and there was not one Skele or sidekick in any of them. :rant:
This Home Depot is perfectly located. It has good traffic, but no close neighborhood so discretionary spending is slightly lower leaving LM products on the shelf through a few extra markdowns. I picked up a Kick for $7 a few years back when they discontinued carrying them.
Post by: Faddy Daddy on June 20, 2017, 11:02:22 PM
I do think I'd take a Side kick over the Wingman, I always carry a micra for the scissors if nothing else, (Love those) and I prefer a straight blade. If I could swap out one thing, it would be the package opener from the Wingman for either the file or the smaller serrated blade.
I've probably one read a 1/4 of this thread so far but someone mentioned sharpening the package opener, for curiosity how would one do that?
Post by: ThundahBeagle on December 21, 2017, 09:14:43 AM
There's this maintenance guy I know swears by his Leatherman Wingman. Up til now, I have only ever given one to my youngest nephew, but in considering Christmas gifts, the Wingman surfaced once more (not for that nephew, obviously).
Along comes Lynn LeFey and the post of a nice polished PST for sale, and waxing poetic when comparing that polish to newer tools. So I sat with the Wingman in its bubble and my old PST and PST II adjacent.
It hit me how similar the tool load out of the Wingman is to that of the PST II.
Not the same, but almost. Sure, the file is tiny isn't diamond encrusted and the plyers are spring loaded, but the scissors and combo blade are there, even if they are outside open. Phillips head is there. Maybe not the same number of flatheads, but almost. One is replaced by the package opener, which maybe isn't bad, since so many have ruined blades and small drivers buy opening packages.
I don't know why it hasn't hit me before, but is this the PST III? ( Or IV, if you consider the Pulse to be PST III)
Post by: Poncho65 on December 21, 2017, 12:05:34 PM
Post by: LoopCutter on December 21, 2017, 01:08:16 PM
I also, have one at home in the package, ready to be a gift anytime to a friend or family member.
The Saw on the Sidekick makes it as useful for off-road adventures.
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Post by: ThePeacent on December 21, 2017, 06:17:52 PM
But to me this is as real as you could ask.
he uses it provides (OHO Blade and a very nice set of scissors) put to shame other similar priced tools
(https://i.imgur.com/jGkfajP.jpg)
The drivers are the two basics, 90% of the needs you might have regarding screws will be done by these 2. The flathead is a nice prybar, and the package opener is a much appropriate tool for today's urban chores, something rarely seen on other MTs.
(https://i.imgur.com/yyiYykQ.jpg)
The clip is top notch, a standing point in its design, and the 50/50 edge does also the two kind of cutting 90% of the people face, a finer type of slicing (food, paper, envelopes) and an aggressive, destructive cutting (rope, cardboard, plastics, thin steel) all in one.
The file is quite pitiful but provides a decent grit and surface, nowadays most folks only file their nails and proper work is let to proper specific files and tools
(https://i.imgur.com/WQ6e6Ef.jpg)
if I had to gift a tool to a non-tool person (AKA Joe Smith guy) and wasn't sure what could he use, how much to spend of what would it be of it, this one would be. He'd get the basics, easy steel to learn on, decent durability and awesome warranty to back it up :salute:
Post by: gregpost on December 21, 2017, 08:30:28 PM
My favorite Leatherman design is the Surge but I rarely carry it. I tried a Wave and it felt like a compromised Surge, maybe that is because of the order I familiarized myself with them. The Wave is also not as easy to carry even with the Wave pocket clip, so I loaned it(will probably never get it back) to my cousin and he likes it.
Post by: ThundahBeagle on December 21, 2017, 10:37:41 PM
That PST II also had scissors. My first genuine SAK was a Super Tinker which also had scissors, so I like having those as well.
Both are available "above the fold" on the Wingman
(Though I do much prefer a saw when away from work or home such as off road, hiking, camping)
Sad to say, but now I have a hankering for a Wingman. You guys are terrible, man.
Post by: Gareth on December 21, 2017, 11:57:05 PM
I posted this in another thread but thought it belonged here...
There's this maintenance guy I know swears by his Leatherman Wingman. Up til now, I have only ever given one to my youngest nephew, but in considering Christmas gifts, the Wingman surfaced once more (not for that nephew, obviously).
Along comes Lynn LeFey and the post of a nice polished PST for sale, and waxing poetic when comparing that polish to newer tools. So I sat with the Wingman in its bubble and my old PST and PST II adjacent.
It hit me how similar the tool load out of the Wingman is to that of the PST II.
Not the same, but almost. Sure, the file is tiny isn't diamond encrusted and the plyers are spring loaded, but the scissors and combo blade are there, even if they are outside open. Phillips head is there. Maybe not the same number of flatheads, but almost. One is replaced by the package opener, which maybe isn't bad, since so many have ruined blades and small drivers buy opening packages.
I don't know why it hasn't hit me before, but is this the PST III? ( Or IV, if you consider the Pulse to be PST III)
It's a good point and I'd not quite seen it like that before. For me though it lacks the ultra slim profile that the PST has that makes it so pocketable.
Post by: SteveC on December 22, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
I posted this in another thread but thought it belonged here...
There's this maintenance guy I know swears by his Leatherman Wingman. Up til now, I have only ever given one to my youngest nephew, but in considering Christmas gifts, the Wingman surfaced once more (not for that nephew, obviously).
Along comes Lynn LeFey and the post of a nice polished PST for sale, and waxing poetic when comparing that polish to newer tools. So I sat with the Wingman in its bubble and my old PST and PST II adjacent.
It hit me how similar the tool load out of the Wingman is to that of the PST II.
Not the same, but almost. Sure, the file is tiny isn't diamond encrusted and the plyers are spring loaded, but the scissors and combo blade are there, even if they are outside open. Phillips head is there. Maybe not the same number of flatheads, but almost. One is replaced by the package opener, which maybe isn't bad, since so many have ruined blades and small drivers buy opening packages.
I don't know why it hasn't hit me before, but is this the PST III? ( Or IV, if you consider the Pulse to be PST III)
It's a good point and I'd not quite seen it like that before. For me though it lacks the ultra slim profile that the PST has that makes it so pocketable.
And you can't whip it open like the PST
Post by: an0nemus on December 22, 2017, 12:57:58 AM
Post by: ThundahBeagle on December 22, 2017, 02:28:27 AM
Both true, though I mean it more or less in tool load out.
Not much in that size range is as pocketable as the PST. Perfectly functional with no frills. No locks to hook up on your pocket edge. No rolled edges that make it fatter than need be. Smoothd surfaces with only nail nicks, no slots or rivets for springs...
Still love the Rebar, though. Even with all of those modern features, it is still definitively old school in its marriage of new features with old simplicity
An0nemus, If you think the Wingman' s finish is smooth, the Rebar will captivate you
Post by: an0nemus on December 22, 2017, 02:57:26 AM
An0nemus, If you think the Wingman' s finish is smooth, the Rebar will captivate you
Oh wow :like: :drool:
Post by: Sam Lim on December 22, 2017, 04:08:34 AM
Post by: LoopCutter on December 22, 2017, 04:33:00 AM
No Rev lovers here?I have one, but no love for it, not even to give away. Keep it in tool box by office. Purchased when on price reduction after holidays for around $15 I think.
Was surprised by the more complete yet different packages the Wingman and Sidekick provide, even better when available at holiday prices.
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Post by: Sam Lim on December 22, 2017, 05:02:47 AM
I personally like the pliers alot more than the ones on the wingman and sidekick. And I like it that there's no wiggle on the handles. Of course there are shortcomings like the blade is not OHO..etc. I married a wingman and rev.No Rev lovers here?I have one, but no love for it, not even to give away. Keep it in tool box by office. Purchased when on price reduction after holidays for around $15 I think.
Was surprised by the more complete yet different packages the Wingman and Sidekick provide, even better when available at holiday prices.
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https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,74176.0.html
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 22, 2017, 05:45:35 AM
Nice mod, though. :tu:
I personally have been a fan of the Wingman and Sidekick for years. Just gave my last one away to a friend who works maintenance. I did The bladeswap from Sidekick to Wingman, so the Wingman has the plain edge.
All of these tools are nice, study, basic MTs. I don't want to say 'starters' because a LOT of folks will never need more than these can handle.
Post by: ThundahBeagle on December 22, 2017, 06:30:34 AM
No Rev lovers here?
Pardon my ignorance, but I have always seen the Rev as a scissors-less Wingman or saw-less Sidekick. Am I mistaken?
Post by: an0nemus on December 22, 2017, 06:46:00 AM
No Rev lovers here?
Pardon my ignorance, but I have always seen the Rev as a scissors-less Wingman or saw-less Sidekick. Am I mistaken?
...plus, its pliers have no spring (not that its a big deal).
Post by: Sam Lim on December 22, 2017, 06:53:00 AM
I see it as mainly the plier type is different. The Rev, imo have strong and excellent cross over wire cutter. The wingman and sidekick they are "pinch" cutter. Does not work well for soft copper wire, takes much more effort to cut hard wire as well. Rev pliers are also not spring loaded but I see it as a advantage over the other 2. The sprung type are more prone to loose plier pivots. And of course, the thumb notch/nail nick for the Rev blade is strangely positioned, requires 2 hand to open safely. The handle splay is also much wider than the WM and SK.No Rev lovers here?
Pardon my ignorance, but I have always seen the Rev as a scissors-less Wingman or saw-less Sidekick. Am I mistaken?
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 22, 2017, 07:37:27 AM
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,62598.msg1166572.html
Post by: Gareth on December 22, 2017, 09:07:12 AM
No Rev lovers here?
Pardon my ignorance, but I have always seen the Rev as a scissors-less Wingman or saw-less Sidekick. Am I mistaken?
...plus, its pliers have no spring (not that its a big deal).
Actually that's a plus in my book. :)
Post by: Poncho65 on December 22, 2017, 11:39:16 AM
No Rev lovers here?
Pardon my ignorance, but I have always seen the Rev as a scissors-less Wingman or saw-less Sidekick. Am I mistaken?
The Rev and the Leap share the same plier head :salute: Plus the frame/handles are a bit different :cheers: My nephew has a Rev and my little girl has a Leap so I had both to compare :tu:
Post by: ThePeacent on December 22, 2017, 04:03:21 PM
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on December 22, 2017, 04:39:19 PM
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Post by: ThePeacent on December 22, 2017, 09:35:38 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but spring-return pliers are often said to be weaker because of the slot one needs to form around the pivot for housing the spring. Has that ever been a problem in owners' experience?
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not to me.
But the reasoning seems solid
Post by: ThundahBeagle on December 23, 2017, 04:25:05 PM
My very first genuine Leatherman was a PST II, so I am used to the combo blade. I like it, actually, more than any plain edge alone. So if I have a Rebar or ST, then fine. But if I can have only one blade, then for overall effectiveness I want a combo.
That PST II also had scissors. My first genuine SAK was a Super Tinker which also had scissors, so I like having those as well.
Both are available "above the fold" on the Wingman
(Though I do much prefer a saw when away from work or home such as off road, hiking, camping)
Sad to say, but now I have a hankering for a Wingman. You guys are terrible, man.
Thanks a lot!
While out Christmas shopping, I picked up a Rebar and an REI Signal for my best friend and nephew and a Wingman for an accuaintence.
And another Wingman, for myself.
I feel I should open a new thread with my opinions about this device, but then again, this is the Wingman club...here goes...let me know if I should move this post elsewhere
My first thought after cutting it out of the blister pack was that I appeared to be holding some chintzy manifestation of some thirteen year old's idea of what might make a "cool-looking" multi tool in 2005, and they knew they had to change the look of it to avoid trade mark infringement, and maybe draw attention to it.
The cheapness of the scales was immediately evident. Thinner gauge steel? Different type of steel? Just overly busy for no apparent reason? I don't know, but it's just off. And the "up and down" play in the handles when closed is a bit more than I'm used to. But then, I am used to PST' s, Surge, Rebar, and original Super Tool quality. That's a minus.
When opening the outside, one-handed combo blade, I notice some handle play as I finish that motion and adjust my grip on the handles. There is a little bit of crepitus there as my grip settles on the handles, and it isn't as smooth or solid as my Surge. Then again, what is? But still a minus.
But then I noticed how sharp that combo blade is, and how the bevel grind of the plain part of the blade gave way to the chisel grind of the serrated half. And it was all very sharp and preciscly so, even if the polish was lacking. Plus.
Scissors. Essentially the same as on the OG Surge, but without that stupid dollop of Zytel. Plus.
The screw drivers in and of themselves were good solid pieces, even if attached to scales that might be folded tin can. Plus.
Package opener was also very sharp. Wish I had it when I wa trying to open the package this came in. Plus.
I've seen a lot of grief in regards to the file. I myself saw it in pics and thought, as others did, that it seemed "useless." Well, that depends how we feel about the PS4 file. The useful parts are about the same length and everyone's happy with the PS4 file, so...also the ruler is just stupid but there is a small screwdiiver end on it. this breaks even.
Might I add here that I received a PS4 as an early gift, and in contrast, its build quality feels superb and substantial right out of the box!
Same good wire stripper, smurfty bottle opener, good can opener combo tool as on all the others. Breaks even.
Spring loaded plyers..a matter of preference based on task, I suppose. While not as strong, they can be used on slightly lesser tasks with easier repetition. Even.
Wire cutters not as nice but serviceable.
Pocket clip is different than I'm used to but I already see the draw. Plus.
No bit drivers with springs or bits to lose. Definite plus in my book.
Although we have the warrantee to fall back on, I'd feel less bad if I destroyed this tool than if I'd managed to destroy my Rebar, Surge,OG Super Tool or PST.
So the price isn't as scary. If I broke it, I'd send it in and wouldn't be shy about buying another Wingman to use until the first one came back.
Overall positive, I'd say, with the little use I've made of it
Post by: Poncho65 on December 23, 2017, 05:15:29 PM
They really are a pretty good MT and I have never regretted buying mine :cheers: It gets little use only because I have to many other tools to choose from :facepalm: :whistle:
I would be happy to carry it if I had a limited number of MTs though and may even try to carry it in the next while just because :salute: :like:
Post by: MichMan on February 26, 2018, 03:51:18 PM
Post by: kaput on March 01, 2018, 06:57:16 AM
Post by: Sam Lim on March 01, 2018, 07:09:12 AM
Have people seen these yet?
:rofl: Are u in the right thread? :facepalm:
Post by: zoidberg on March 01, 2018, 09:15:20 AM
Newbie, glad to have a Sidekick but miss the scissors in my other MT's, can the Wingman scissors replace the saw, and if so how do I find one?
Welcome to the boards MichMan. :cheers: Yes, try asking nicely in the tools needed section.
Post by: zoidberg on March 01, 2018, 09:15:36 AM
Have people seen these yet?
:rofl: Are u in the right thread? :facepalm:
:kirky:
Post by: kaput on March 02, 2018, 06:25:04 AM
Absoloutley not :rofl:Have people seen these yet?
:rofl: Are u in the right thread? :facepalm:
How about now??
Post by: Sam Lim on March 02, 2018, 08:05:26 AM
Absoloutley not :rofl:Have people seen these yet?
:rofl: Are u in the right thread? :facepalm:
How about now??
:D Just out of curiosity, are the handles painted or BO?
Post by: kaput on March 02, 2018, 08:18:23 AM
probably painted. Still looked "inexpensive". It for sure wasn't oxide or even cerakote?Absoloutley not :rofl:Have people seen these yet?
:rofl: Are u in the right thread? :facepalm:
How about now??
:D Just out of curiosity, are the handles painted or BO?
Post by: Exeter on July 18, 2018, 04:30:23 PM
I remember reading here that some of you guys stocked up multiple Wingmans (Wingmen?) from sales and stuff, so I though I'll ask if anyone has a Wingman available at a reasonable price. Used ones are okay too if in decent condition.
Post by: Poncho65 on July 19, 2018, 12:09:56 PM
:nanadance: :nanadance:
Post by: Exeter on July 19, 2018, 12:20:52 PM
I only have the one myself but I will let you know that they are nice tools but depending on what tools you already have and use the most then it may be a bit of a let down :-\ Don't get me wrong they are very capable tools but they were created as an entry level/budget model along with the Sidekick and Rev :cheers: Also there are others here that love them and some of the features they have :tu: Just not my cup of tea I guess ::)
:nanadance: :nanadance:
Yeah, I'm not expecting the same feel and quality I got with my Pulse, Juice XE6, Rebar and Charge, that's exactly why I don't want to spend the silly prices I mentioned, but want to try a Wingman anyway, just to see it for myself. Reading reviews and watching videos is just not the same. :) ...and by now I read and watched virtually everything, so the only thing left is to have one in hand. :D
Post by: Poncho65 on July 19, 2018, 12:29:22 PM
I only have the one myself but I will let you know that they are nice tools but depending on what tools you already have and use the most then it may be a bit of a let down :-\ Don't get me wrong they are very capable tools but they were created as an entry level/budget model along with the Sidekick and Rev :cheers: Also there are others here that love them and some of the features they have :tu: Just not my cup of tea I guess ::)
:nanadance: :nanadance:
Yeah, I'm not expecting the same feel and quality I got with my Pulse, Juice XE6, Rebar and Charge, that's exactly why I don't want to spend the silly prices I mentioned, but want to try a Wingman anyway, just to see it for myself. Reading reviews and watching videos is just not the same. :) ...and by now I read and watched virtually everything, so the only thing left is to have one in hand. :D
With that said good luck in the search and I do hope you find one with a much more agreeable price :salute: :tu:
Post by: ThePeacent on July 19, 2018, 02:03:48 PM
I only have the one myself but I will let you know that they are nice tools but depending on what tools you already have and use the most then it may be a bit of a let down :-\ Don't get me wrong they are very capable tools but they were created as an entry level/budget model along with the Sidekick and Rev :cheers: Also there are others here that love them and some of the features they have :tu: Just not my cup of tea I guess ::)
:nanadance: :nanadance:
Yeah, I'm not expecting the same feel and quality I got with my Pulse, Juice XE6, Rebar and Charge, that's exactly why I don't want to spend the silly prices I mentioned, but want to try a Wingman anyway, just to see it for myself. Reading reviews and watching videos is just not the same. :) ...and by now I read and watched virtually everything, so the only thing left is to have one in hand. :D
Are there no stores close to you that carry them? :think:
I mean, having a Rebar, Charge or Pulse I would not "downgrade" especially at those prices! :ahhh
Ebay and second hand apps for smartphones might be your friends in that, here they also go for 70EUR new in stores but I've found them for 30-35 on second hand selling apps (like Craigslist but in Spain)
Through that app I found an interested buyer, and sold my Wingman to that neighbor for 30 EUR :cheers:
Post by: Exeter on July 19, 2018, 02:09:58 PM
I only have the one myself but I will let you know that they are nice tools but depending on what tools you already have and use the most then it may be a bit of a let down :-\ Don't get me wrong they are very capable tools but they were created as an entry level/budget model along with the Sidekick and Rev :cheers: Also there are others here that love them and some of the features they have :tu: Just not my cup of tea I guess ::)
:nanadance: :nanadance:
Yeah, I'm not expecting the same feel and quality I got with my Pulse, Juice XE6, Rebar and Charge, that's exactly why I don't want to spend the silly prices I mentioned, but want to try a Wingman anyway, just to see it for myself. Reading reviews and watching videos is just not the same. :) ...and by now I read and watched virtually everything, so the only thing left is to have one in hand. :D
Are there no stores close to you that carry them? :think:
I mean, having a Rebar, Charge or Pulse I would not "downgrade" especially at those prices! :ahhh
Ebay and second hand apps for smartphones might be your friends in that, here they also go for 70EUR new in stores but I've found them for 30-35 on second hand selling apps (like Craigslist but in Spain)
Through that app I found an interested buyer, and sold my Wingman to that neighbor for 30 EUR :cheers:
Well, there's a lot on ebay, but the shipping prices from the US make them almost as expensive as buying them new here, and used ones only pop up once in a blue moon on local listing/auction sites. To be honest I only remember seeing one Wingman (or Sidekick, don't remember) ever.
Post by: pdolan on July 20, 2018, 01:49:00 AM
I only have the one myself but I will let you know that they are nice tools but depending on what tools you already have and use the most then it may be a bit of a let down :-\ Don't get me wrong they are very capable tools but they were created as an entry level/budget model along with the Sidekick and Rev :cheers: Also there are others here that love them and some of the features they have :tu: Just not my cup of tea I guess ::)
:nanadance: :nanadance:
Yeah, I'm not expecting the same feel and quality I got with my Pulse, Juice XE6, Rebar and Charge, that's exactly why I don't want to spend the silly prices I mentioned, but want to try a Wingman anyway, just to see it for myself. Reading reviews and watching videos is just not the same. :) ...and by now I read and watched virtually everything, so the only thing left is to have one in hand. :D
Are there no stores close to you that carry them? :think:
I mean, having a Rebar, Charge or Pulse I would not "downgrade" especially at those prices! :ahhh
Ebay and second hand apps for smartphones might be your friends in that, here they also go for 70EUR new in stores but I've found them for 30-35 on second hand selling apps (like Craigslist but in Spain)
Through that app I found an interested buyer, and sold my Wingman to that neighbor for 30 EUR :cheers:
I have several LM's and I love them all. But I carry the wingman more than anything else because of its size. I am always surprised though, about the high prices in the resale market. I broke a Wingman blade and thought I would just by used to swap, but it ended up being just a few US dollars shy of a new one. I guess that goes to show you there is a value to investing in these, regardless of how much they appear to cost. If I keep it in good shape, I believe I could recoup a substantial portion of my investment. I think it is driven by LM's warranty policy. Even if you buy a piece of junk, it may be redeemed by Leatherman
Post by: Exeter on August 04, 2018, 06:15:46 PM
I got rid of the pocket clip, it was a nightmare to put the pivot back because of the spring tension, but for me the clips was useless, and I think its on the "wrong" side to be carried efficiently and comfortably in the right pocket. The knife blade had some side-to-side play but I remedied that by adding a brass washer to the top as well. The edge was factory sharp, and some light stropping made it scary sharp.
The play of the closed handles is an annoyance, especially when opening the knife one handed, but I can live with it.
As I read and watched dozens of reviews and comments, there weren't any real surprises about the quality, and I find this an okay tool, with some appealing qualities but with a couple of (design and production/fit&finish) flaws.
All in all, I'm satisfied with it, but I don't think I will ever call it my favorite MT. Anyway, my curiosity is satisfied now that I own one.
Post by: pdolan on August 05, 2018, 10:32:37 PM
Post by: Poncho65 on August 06, 2018, 03:16:15 AM
Post by: Exeter on August 06, 2018, 08:23:14 AM
Question to all of you guys: Does the knife get stuck on your Wingmen if the blade gets pushed too deep into its slot? On mine it does that, if the knife is closed as deep as shown on the pic below, it becomes virtually impossible to open it one handed, I'm just ripping my thumb off when trying. I try not to close it that far, but simply by just handling the tool it inevitably gets pushed down eventually. Any similar experiences?
Post by: Poncho65 on August 06, 2018, 12:06:55 PM
Post by: ThePeacent on August 06, 2018, 12:43:21 PM
Post by: Sam Lim on August 06, 2018, 01:36:12 PM
Thanks Poncho!
Question to all of you guys: Does the knife get stuck on your Wingmen if the blade gets pushed too deep into its slot? On mine it does that, if the knife is closed as deep as shown on the pic below, it becomes virtually impossible to open it one handed, I'm just ripping my thumb off when trying. I try not to close it that far, but simply by just handling the tool it inevitably gets pushed down eventually. Any similar experiences?
Have u opened up the pivot on the tool side before? Or exposed it to some heat? There will be a plastic bushing/washer in between the scales and frame. It seems to be missing. Giving u lesser/tighter space for your blade.
Post by: Exeter on August 06, 2018, 01:47:15 PM
Thanks Poncho!
Question to all of you guys: Does the knife get stuck on your Wingmen if the blade gets pushed too deep into its slot? On mine it does that, if the knife is closed as deep as shown on the pic below, it becomes virtually impossible to open it one handed, I'm just ripping my thumb off when trying. I try not to close it that far, but simply by just handling the tool it inevitably gets pushed down eventually. Any similar experiences?
Have u opened up the pivot on the tool side before? Or exposed it to some heat? There will be a plastic bushing/washer in between the scales and frame. It seems to be missing. Giving u lesser/tighter space for your blade.
Thank you, thank you! You just solved this "mystery"! :tu:
Yes, I did remove the whole panel and it must have fallen out. Strangely enough just last evening I stepped on a black plastic thingy (my carpet's black, so it was easy not to notice before), and now I know what it was. I took a look and I saw that there's one on the scissor side, so I already put it back on the knife side and now everything works perfectly!
Thanks again, superb help! :salute:
The little smurf:
Post by: Sam Lim on August 06, 2018, 02:05:43 PM
Thanks Poncho!
Question to all of you guys: Does the knife get stuck on your Wingmen if the blade gets pushed too deep into its slot? On mine it does that, if the knife is closed as deep as shown on the pic below, it becomes virtually impossible to open it one handed, I'm just ripping my thumb off when trying. I try not to close it that far, but simply by just handling the tool it inevitably gets pushed down eventually. Any similar experiences?
Have u opened up the pivot on the tool side before? Or exposed it to some heat? There will be a plastic bushing/washer in between the scales and frame. It seems to be missing. Giving u lesser/tighter space for your blade.
Thank you, thank you! You just solved this "mystery"! :tu:
Yes, I did remove the whole panel and it must have fallen out. Strangely enough just last evening I stepped on a black plastic thingy (my carpet's black, so it was easy not to notice before), and now I know what it was. I took a look and I saw that there's one on the scissor side, so I already put it back on the knife side and now everything works perfectly!
Thanks again, superb help! :salute:
The little smurf:
;) glad to be of help!
Post by: Poncho65 on August 07, 2018, 03:24:55 AM
I never did find mine ::) :facepalm: Glad it was figured out though :cheers:
Post by: Exeter on August 07, 2018, 10:58:18 AM
I put the previously removed pocket clip back, but this annoys me to no end. I mean the placement/orientation of it. It's just the opposite of how it should be, sits much better in the left pocket than in the right.
(I'm a mixed-handed person, so this is absolutely not against lefties, but seriously, they/we are a minority, how could LM design this so bad?)
Post by: Valkie on October 21, 2018, 11:02:07 AM
Found it a very comfortable and useful tool.
I liked it so much I bought 5 more when I came back to Australia
One for each of the brothers in law and one for my son
Later, I misplaced my tool and was lost for it
Searched everywhere, lost it good.
So I bought another and then one more to use when I'm working in marine rescue.
It's been a great tool on the boats.just have to remember to wash it regularly to get the salt off it.
Then I found the one I lost, in the wall unit where I had been using it to tighten up a screw and then put it down
Still had the screwdriver open.
I have not got a sidekick yet, perhaps later
Post by: Gareth on October 21, 2018, 07:36:01 PM
Post by: Glockfan on October 21, 2018, 09:38:41 PM
Post by: Valkie on October 22, 2018, 03:46:33 AM
Just before xmas last year, my son asked me to come around and set up his inverter on his caravan.
Id just finished running all the wires and making everything secure when the power from his house cut out and I couldnt drill into the wall to fit the socket.
Brain wave...use the inverter to power the drill, worked like a treat.
Put the drill down and grabbed the wires to trim them so I could wire up the powerpoint,
Cut into the cable and got a hit from the 240 volts from the inverter.
What happened next is difficult to describe without laughing.
My son was sitting on the bed, I was on the floor.
when I copped the hit i yelled and threw my hands away from the voltage.
the wingman flew across the floor and the point went straight into my sons big toe.
He was more concerned about me copping a charge and jumped up to see if I was ok.
He felt the knife hit his toe, but ignored it.
Only when we were trying to work out where all the blood was coming from did we discover that it had opened up his toe beautifully.
I made sure the inverter was off before I did any more work.
And why did the power from the house cut off?
His son wanted to play the play station and pulled the plug.
Life is a real laugh sometimes.
Post by: Poncho65 on October 22, 2018, 12:41:53 PM
Post by: SteveC on October 22, 2018, 01:56:22 PM
Post by: Gareth on October 22, 2018, 02:05:27 PM
Funny story about my wingman.
Just before xmas last year, my son asked me to come around and set up his inverter on his caravan.
Id just finished running all the wires and making everything secure when the power from his house cut out and I couldnt drill into the wall to fit the socket.
Brain wave...use the inverter to power the drill, worked like a treat.
Put the drill down and grabbed the wires to trim them so I could wire up the powerpoint,
Cut into the cable and got a hit from the 240 volts from the inverter.
What happened next is difficult to describe without laughing.
My son was sitting on the bed, I was on the floor.
when I copped the hit i yelled and threw my hands away from the voltage.
the wingman flew across the floor and the point went straight into my sons big toe.
He was more concerned about me copping a charge and jumped up to see if I was ok.
He felt the knife hit his toe, but ignored it.
Only when we were trying to work out where all the blood was coming from did we discover that it had opened up his toe beautifully.
I made sure the inverter was off before I did any more work.
And why did the power from the house cut off?
His son wanted to play the play station and pulled the plug.
Life is a real laugh sometimes.
Hard to read without chuckling a little as well. :D I hope you don't think too poorly of me.
Post by: Valkie on October 23, 2018, 01:09:28 AM
It could have been a lot worse, and Ill bet we don't forget to turn off an inverter before we play with the wiring again, lesson learned.
Most importantly, the tool was undamaged. :rofl:
This is the offending tool
Post by: badwolf on October 23, 2018, 09:27:48 PM
Post by: SteveC on October 23, 2018, 09:32:32 PM
Post by: Poncho65 on October 24, 2018, 01:18:54 PM
:like:
:iagree: :like:
Post by: vwb563 on October 29, 2018, 01:13:55 AM
Post by: Poncho65 on October 29, 2018, 11:43:19 AM
Post by: gregpost on February 18, 2019, 05:51:08 PM
Post by: Multitool_paul on March 01, 2019, 02:52:07 AM
Post by: Exeter on March 01, 2019, 07:41:38 AM
I have the Wingman, my least favourite LM. I was attracted by the tool set, scissors, package opener, and something to keep on my desk or in my pocket around the house. Unfortunately I find it uncomfortable in the hand, flimsy, horrible shape combo blade and hard to open the blade one handed. I still use it while I contemplate a Rebar or a Juice S2, or even one of the new Free series but I was disappointed in it.
Go with the Rebar then, it only takes up slightly more pocket space than the Juice S2, but gives proper size tools, great pliers with replacable wire cutters, it's just a no brainer. The Rebar lacks scissors, while the Juice has them, but as you mentioned in the other thread, you already carry a Micra, so scissors are covered. The Rebar and Micra combo is as close as you can get to a perfect pairing with an incredible amount of different tools for any task or challenge, they complement each other very nicely.
Post by: Multitool_paul on March 01, 2019, 11:42:53 PM
Go with the Rebar then, it only takes up slightly more pocket space than the Juice S2, but gives proper size tools, great pliers with replacable wire cutters, it's just a no brainer. The Rebar lacks scissors, while the Juice has them, but as you mentioned in the other thread, you already carry a Micra, so scissors are covered. The Rebar and Micra combo is as close as you can get to a perfect pairing with an incredible amount of different tools for any task or challenge, they complement each other very nicely.
Good advice. In the Made Of Mettle movie Tim Leatherman himself keeps the Rebar on him at home. I use my Wingman daily, it's very handy and I am trying to love it but I am just not feeling it unfortunately.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 02, 2019, 02:40:15 AM
Really curious about this, because I am hoping the Free series will work with it as well.
Cheers,
HG
Post by: Juan el Boricua on March 02, 2019, 03:12:59 AM
Hey, does anyone know if the Philips driver will work with the Leatherman Bit adapter that is designed for the square ones?
Really curious about this, because I am hoping the Free series will work with it as well.
Cheers,
HG
Sorry HG, but it will not. I understand that the toolset in Wingman/Sidekick/Rev is the same; I own the Rev and the Removable bit Driver adapter, and it will not fit on the phillips or flat driver without modification. You could file/grind the PH driver's sides (angled, 'til it fits diagonally and snug) though.
Post by: Gareth on March 04, 2019, 03:35:09 PM
Post by: Aloha on March 04, 2019, 07:27:04 PM
Post by: MickeS on March 11, 2019, 09:09:29 PM
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Post by: Gareth on March 11, 2019, 11:21:55 PM
Just saying hi! Proud owner of a new Sidekick! First impression is good. It's supposed to be a budget tool and I've been carrying my surge so my expectations wasn't high. But I really like it. Going to put I in the mix and get back when I tried it out more.
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I had fairly low expectations of the Sidekick myself, but I was very pleasantly surprised as well. :)
Post by: Captain Sabretache on May 14, 2019, 10:36:13 AM
Post by: Poncho65 on May 14, 2019, 12:22:43 PM
Post by: Captain Sabretache on May 14, 2019, 02:49:53 PM
There are several mods done with the WIngman/SideKick platform :cheers: just check the Mod Squad subforum :tu:
:tu:I'll check that out. Thank you Poncho65
Post by: roamingcat on May 15, 2019, 02:29:02 AM
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 15, 2019, 06:52:25 AM
I love my Wingman. It has all the toolset I need for urban edc in a lightweight package. Springloaded pliers, decent scissors, package opener, comfortable egonomics, built-in pocket clip. It ticks all my boxes.:like:
Nice one. :)
But, that said, that photo is not of a roamingcat. More like a stationarycat. :think: :D
Post by: roamingcat on May 15, 2019, 07:04:10 AM
:like:
Nice one. :)
But, that said, that photo is not of a roamingcat. More like a stationarycat. :think: :D
Thank you GLBM. Roamingcat having a rest posing with his favorite toy in front of his human.
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 15, 2019, 07:10:51 AM
Post by: Captain Sabretache on May 15, 2019, 07:57:57 AM
There are several mods done with the WIngman/SideKick platform :cheers: just check the Mod Squad subforum :tu:
:hatsoff: Thank You my good man.
Post by: SirVicaLot on May 25, 2019, 12:36:44 AM
Here is my first Wingman :hatsoff:
Post by: Poncho65 on May 26, 2019, 10:58:04 PM
Post by: SirVicaLot on May 27, 2019, 01:00:24 AM
Post by: Captain Sabretache on May 28, 2019, 11:54:32 AM
Aaaaand another club i can finally post in :D
Here is my first Wingman :hatsoff:
Thanks for sharing. :hatsoff:
Post by: SirVicaLot on May 28, 2019, 03:03:17 PM
Post by: Multitool_paul on June 20, 2019, 05:27:37 AM
Post by: Aloha on June 20, 2019, 03:51:04 PM
Post by: JasonJ on October 25, 2019, 05:05:08 PM
My two Sidekicks are doing just fine.
Post by: Rapidray on October 25, 2019, 05:09:48 PM
Post by: mcrow on November 01, 2019, 02:04:43 AM
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Post by: Alan K. on November 01, 2019, 02:23:32 PM
Post by: BadMechanic on November 01, 2019, 03:52:21 PM
Ive heard very little bad things about the Sidekick (I own one) but so much about the wingman
Post by: mcrow on November 01, 2019, 04:03:56 PM
What do they do to the wingmans that give them such a bad rep?It’s puzzling to me. Only problem I had with my Wingman is a broken knife tip due to me using it out of advisable usage purposes.
Ive heard very little bad things about the Sidekick (I own one) but so much about the wingman
Had mine since they were released and love it.
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Post by: BadMechanic on November 01, 2019, 04:58:29 PM
Just yesterday my coworker and I used our bottle opener on our wave + and surges to turn a very fat flathead looking screwhead. :tu:
Post by: Thomas Li on November 13, 2019, 03:54:12 AM
Didn't use it in ages but I'm about to get a s30V blade what should fix my biggest issue with this tool. :D
Post by: JasonJ on November 13, 2019, 03:52:00 PM
Wow, but a least its under warranty!
Yep! Interestingly enough, I bought this one brand new from Home Depot when they were on winter clearance a few years back, paid all of $8 for it!
I opened it while playing MT with my youngest... we like to just hold them and open and close them and he switches and trades with me (he's 2). He can't physically open the blades, so biggest safety concern is plier-ing himself (or me). But we opened the Wingman (which honestly, sits most of the time) and snapZILLA! Repaired or replaced unit should be here Thursday.
What do they do to the wingmans that give them such a bad rep?
Ive heard very little bad things about the Sidekick (I own one) but so much about the wingman
Should be identical in terms of quality and production. I mean, they change out 3 tools- scissors/saw, serrated blade/pkg opener, and main blade. All else is the same except for the stamped name on the side. Should be no difference at all. It may just be that there are more Wingmans sold than Sidekicks, people love their scissors!
I do have to say... the Sidekick was my first personal Leatherman tool. It was gifted to me by my brother some years ago. They were still about $35-40 at the time. My only other exposure to MT's was a SAK Classic and a Pioneer, and my dad's original Super Tool.
I did know that the SK was LM's "entry-level" tool... the one for people who weren't multitool people, maybe to get you introduced to them. Given that, I knew that it was not indicative of the quality of their higher end tools (that I never thought I'd be able to afford or own). I used the crap out of that first Sidekick. It was a FANTASTIC tool and continues to be. Never a shortcoming with it at all.
That specific, first one I've sort of retired being sentimental to me now. I have another Sidekick that I recently disassembled... just playing around. I made it more like the new T2/T4 tools with a plain edge blade and moved the flat and phillps driver to the same arm. Left the arm as a standalone tool with pocket clip. I made a pocket knife with two drivers, basically. Again, just tinkering.. wanted to see if it could be done. Yep.
Post by: Edi on February 21, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
Post by: Poncho65 on February 21, 2020, 12:45:12 PM
Post by: Edi on February 21, 2020, 01:02:26 PM
Btw, i forgot to ask/check: what's the max resolution permitted for the pics?
Post by: Poncho65 on February 21, 2020, 08:24:05 PM
Post by: Poncho65 on September 06, 2021, 04:56:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/fFiC0Wvh.jpg)
Post by: Gareth on September 06, 2021, 10:37:27 PM
Post by: Poncho65 on September 07, 2021, 12:16:49 AM
Post by: Zephon on November 18, 2021, 10:54:54 PM
Post by: Gareth on November 18, 2021, 11:08:26 PM
Would a Wingman be able to take in the plier head of a wave/charge v1?
I've never tried but looking at them side by side they actually might.
I've never much liked the sprung head in the Sidekick so this sounds like a great idea. :tu:
Post by: Zephon on November 19, 2021, 01:58:00 AM
I've never tried but looking at them side by side they actually might.
I've never much liked the sprung head in the Sidekick so this sounds like a great idea. :tu:
Thanks Gareth!
I like the load of the Wingman it’s just that the pliers don’t really work for me — the don’t seem to want to cut into anything properly. I found this old wave/charge plierhead and was thinking if it would be feasible to bring some fresh air into the Wingman.
For some strange reason, assembling something to resemble a Curl is cheaper here than actually buying a Curl on retail.
Post by: Adam5 on November 19, 2021, 11:36:19 PM
Post by: SteveC on November 20, 2021, 01:12:03 AM
Post by: Gareth on November 20, 2021, 05:30:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/UrphtVo.jpg)
That's a great pic Adam. :tu:
Post by: Adam5 on November 20, 2021, 05:34:34 PM
Post by: Poncho65 on November 21, 2021, 01:45:18 AM
Would a Wingman be able to take in the plier head of a wave/charge v1?
Only problem I see is that the holes for the barrel screws are the same on both ends of the Wingman/SideKick platform but the Wave/Charge ones are larger on the plier head end than the other end :think: Might fill the plier head holes in with a softer metal and then redrill them to have a smaller diameter hole that would take the screws of the Wingman without a wobble :salute:
Post by: Poncho65 on November 21, 2021, 01:52:55 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/UrphtVo.jpg)
Excellent pic, Adam :like:
Post by: Zephon on November 29, 2021, 02:45:10 PM
I have no idea how this happened while I was opening the tool.
Post by: Zephon on November 29, 2021, 03:04:51 PM
Only problem I see is that the holes for the barrel screws are the same on both ends of the Wingman/SideKick platform but the Wave/Charge ones are larger on the plier head end than the other end :think: Might fill the plier head holes in with a softer metal and then redrill them to have a smaller diameter hole that would take the screws of the Wingman without a wobble :salute:
Thanks for the words of caution. All the while I thought it was just a drop-in.
Post by: Poncho65 on November 29, 2021, 03:18:12 PM
:oops: :think:
I have no idea how this happened while I was opening the tool.
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
No idea either ??? :ahhh Guess you have to take it apart to fix that? :o
Post by: Poncho65 on November 29, 2021, 03:19:01 PM
Thanks for the words of caution. All the while I thought it was just a drop-in.
Well you will be for certain about the pivots on the plier end if you have to take it apart to fix it :salute: :o
Post by: gregpost on November 29, 2021, 09:29:58 PM
Post by: Zephon on November 30, 2021, 03:38:17 AM
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
No idea either ??? :ahhh Guess you have to take it apart to fix that? :o
Managed to untangle it without disassembly. Surprisingly the key was something like an odd angle of the opposite plier pivot- not the stuck one. I swear it was crazy! Good thing it happened at home and not in the field.
Post by: Poncho65 on November 30, 2021, 03:44:51 AM
Post by: Juan el Boricua on November 30, 2021, 05:25:13 AM
Managed to untangle it without disassembly. Surprisingly the key was something like an odd angle of the opposite plier pivot- not the stuck one. I swear it was crazy! Good thing it happened at home and not in the field.
Good to hear and glad it wasn't complicated! :2tu:
Post by: Zephon on December 01, 2021, 07:57:51 AM
How I wish I can come across a plier head that I can simply drop into the Wingman.
Anyway, the mod here isn’t 100% perfect. A <1mm portion of the tip of the bit holder comes in contact with <1mm of the plier tip.
I think this gives extra value to the Wingman. Yeah, it adds a little extra cost since I bought the bit holder separately. Wish I had an awl to add on to this. I honestly don’t have the tools to grind something into an awl.
I’m doing the Rebar challenge now so I can’t comment on how this tool holds up. I’ll probably give feedback next month.
Edit: as it is, all in all, this Wingman with bit driver still costs half of what a Curl costs down here. And all I’m missing is an awl….
Edit 2: I can easily replace the PE blade with the saw and now I’ll have a bladeless Wingman.
Post by: Poncho65 on December 01, 2021, 12:07:54 PM
Post by: Zephon on December 03, 2021, 10:26:49 AM
It can’t be that hard, right?
Post by: SteveC on December 03, 2021, 01:35:28 PM
Post by: Poncho65 on December 03, 2021, 01:38:07 PM
Post by: Zephon on December 03, 2021, 11:18:37 PM
They are different but I think it should fit :think: the Rev pliers are not spring loaded and I believe they are bypass cutters like most all LM except for the Wingman and Sidekick :think: Just a little tidbit, the Rev and Leap share the same plier head :tu:
Yeah, I’m after the bypass cutters which can actually cut something. I’ve got better chances of getting a cheap Rev than a cheap Leap.
Post by: Poncho65 on December 03, 2021, 11:20:54 PM
Post by: Adam5 on December 03, 2021, 11:27:50 PM
Is there a difference between the pliers on a Rev and a Wingman/Sidekick? My Wingman pliers can’t cut anything right so I’m thinking of dropping in anything that would fit right away.
It can’t be that hard, right?
It looks doable, but it appears that it would require some Dremel work.
Rev plier head:
(https://i.imgur.com/lTPXgqi.jpg)
Sidekick (Wingman) plier head:
(https://i.imgur.com/W3cKwen.jpg)
Both:
(https://i.imgur.com/QYpFRgo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0F2i770.jpg)
I just looked at the Wingman and Sidekick MTs I have. Mine are not great either. Anvil cutters work best when the cutting surfaces actually make contact :facepalm:
Post by: Zephon on December 04, 2021, 12:31:55 AM
It looks doable, but it appears that it would require some Dremel work.
Rev plier head:
(https://i.imgur.com/lTPXgqi.jpg)
Sidekick (Wingman) plier head:
(https://i.imgur.com/W3cKwen.jpg)
Both:
(https://i.imgur.com/QYpFRgo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0F2i770.jpg)
I just looked at the Wingman and Sidekick MTs I have. Mine are not great either. Anvil cutters work best when the cutting surfaces actually make contact :facepalm:
Awww nuts. I thought it was a perfect drop-in.
Thanks so much for the comparison pictures Adam!
Post by: Adam5 on December 04, 2021, 01:51:13 AM
Post by: Poncho65 on December 04, 2021, 02:46:51 AM
Post by: Adam5 on December 05, 2021, 01:57:05 PM
Awww nuts. I thought it was a perfect drop-in.
Thanks so much for the comparison pictures Adam!
There are internal backsprings for the plier head in the Wingman/Sidekick handles that keep the handles from flopping around. Without those backsprings, the Rev plier head will drop in. I have 2 Sidekicks. One has the backsprings, in the other one the backsprings have been snapped out.
Handle with broken backspring:
(https://i.imgur.com/RnfTJgQ.jpg)
That backspring should extend all the way to the end of the handle:
(https://i.imgur.com/EwEI0ej.jpg)
In the next picture, one handle has the backspring and one handle does not. The plier head is from the Rev:
(https://i.imgur.com/SjonDyr.jpg)
The left handle will not open any further.
So, you either have to break out the backsprings or modify the plier head. I do not recommend breaking out the backsprings. The handles will flop around a lot.
Post by: Zephon on December 06, 2021, 12:33:56 AM
As much as I’d want to give the Wingman a fighting chance, seems like the plier head design is more troublesome than anticipated. Must be why they made the Curl / Bond line.
Spare parts are a premium here (example: wave scissors go for USD20) so I can only guess-timate what I see.
Much appreciated!
Post by: Poncho65 on December 06, 2021, 02:01:28 PM
Post by: Zephon on December 09, 2021, 07:23:51 AM
Edit:
After 2 hours, I decided to give it a try again. As I couldn’t generate enough constant force using the Rebar, I ended up opening up the Crunch and using it to generate more force to be able to clamp the spring down. Guess what? It worked!
Used the Rebar as my screwdriver running the T8 bit from the LM kit. I encountered a tight screw which almost stripped the LM T8 while removing it. Had to use a combo of Rebar using the flat LM bits and a ST300 with regular hex bits to tighten the fasteners. After an hour, here are my Sidekick and Wingman all assembled up.
Btw, the Wingman doesn’t close 100%. A tiny <1mm part of the plier head touches the bit changer creating that small gap.
Post by: Poncho65 on December 09, 2021, 06:13:19 PM
Glad you finally got it back together :salute:
Post by: Adam5 on December 09, 2021, 10:07:26 PM
I will confess that I first thought "Oh crap!" when I first tried to reassemble my Sidekick and discovered just how strong that backspring is :ahhh
Post by: Poncho65 on December 09, 2021, 11:34:12 PM
Post by: Adam5 on December 10, 2021, 01:47:24 AM
I have not decided what tools will be in it, but I did work on its appearance:
(https://i.imgur.com/ROLgajr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LZ35T7K.jpg)
Post by: Poncho65 on December 10, 2021, 03:45:59 AM
Post by: Zephon on December 10, 2021, 07:11:29 AM
By the way, this past weekend I started converting the Sidekick with the broken backsprings on the pliers' end into a pocket knife. That wasn't my intent when I bought it, but that's the best thing I can do with it now.
I have not decided what tools will be in it, but I did work on its appearance:
(https://i.imgur.com/ROLgajr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LZ35T7K.jpg)
:like:
Reminds me of that black and stainless Wingman.
Thanks for sharing your experiences with the plier heads. I swear it wasn’t that bad on a Skele. Anyway, I guess I’ll stick to the inner tools right now and just learn to live with the default plier heads.
Post by: Estefan on December 16, 2021, 10:23:42 AM
Post by: Poncho65 on December 16, 2021, 12:11:10 PM
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Post by: Farmer X on March 12, 2022, 05:48:30 AM
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Post by: Poncho65 on March 12, 2022, 06:05:45 AM
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Post by: TexasAKM on March 02, 2023, 03:35:30 AM
Here is my Sidekick, my second Leatherman, and the reason I came to be here!
I would carry it clipped in my back pocket, and eventually the flat springs broke off and the handles would spring open, and I stopped carrying it. I was looking on the net for a fix for it, and I found this forum.
I replaced the plier head with one from a Rev; took what was left of the flat springs out; put a package opener in, then later took it out; added a medium flat screwdriver that I had milled the end flat instead of tapered; shaped the file thing into an awl; and filed on the handles where the plier wedge areas meet up to reduce the handle splay.
That is mostly it. It is a fun tool, and it finds it's way into my tool rotation often.
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Post by: Poncho65 on March 02, 2023, 03:37:52 PM
Post by: TexasAKM on March 02, 2023, 09:47:15 PM
Awesome bit of modding, Texas :woohoo: looks more useful now to me as well, plus I much prefer the plier head that you have in it vs the other one :salute: :like:
Thanks, Poncho! :hatsoff:
I also profiled the pliers, and took the double hump off the top of the blade, making a smooth radius to the point.
Post by: Poncho65 on March 02, 2023, 11:55:01 PM
Post by: TexasAKM on March 03, 2023, 03:12:55 AM
Post by: Poncho65 on March 03, 2023, 04:55:42 AM
Post by: TexasAKM on March 04, 2023, 06:30:37 AM
Post by: charlie fox on March 08, 2023, 02:09:54 PM
Post by: Poncho65 on March 08, 2023, 02:57:22 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 11, 2023, 12:18:00 AM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/i86/HarleyXJGuy/IMG_3888.HEIC)
Post by: Poncho65 on March 11, 2023, 12:22:05 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 11, 2023, 06:48:24 PM
:woohoo: I guess it still counts :dunno: :rofl:
Nothing in the club rules that says said tool has to be assembled.
:whistle:
Post by: Poncho65 on March 11, 2023, 11:03:07 PM
:D
Post by: TexasAKM on March 12, 2023, 06:20:33 AM
While my Wingman doesn't get a lot of pocket time anymore, it's always in my bag :tu:
Great pics, Charlie! :tu:
What kind of Streamlight flashlight is that?
Post by: TexasAKM on March 12, 2023, 06:38:42 AM
I’m in?
A work in progress! :cheers:
Post by: charlie fox on March 12, 2023, 04:30:26 PM
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Post by: Poncho65 on June 26, 2023, 01:46:06 AM
Post by: Rich_SD on June 26, 2023, 02:03:42 AM
Post by: Poncho65 on June 26, 2023, 02:09:29 AM
:rofl: