Entertaining and on the money! :D
Why does everything have to have a carabiner on it these days? I imagine people walking around with all sorts of crap hanging off them like a Christmas Tree, jingling like Santa.
Temporarily hooking to things I understand, but clipping stuff to the outside of your bag? Just put it in the bag.
Lynn,
You forgot the video intro where the video 'maker' is wearing a bullet proof vest firing a semi-automatic assault rifle for no apparent reason, aside from, thinking it looks cool. :rofl:
gun stuff sitting in frame
If you're building a kit in advance of a set of foreseeable circumstances so that you are preparing for those specific circumstances why would you handicap yourself with a product that is intended from the very start as a substitute for the real thing?
:rofl:gun stuff sitting in frame
That's better than having the host sitting on a log, with his crotch in shot.
Thank you! I have not laughed much lately..until this evening. :like:Lynn,
You forgot the video intro where the video 'maker' is wearing a bullet proof vest firing a semi-automatic assault rifle for no apparent reason, aside from, thinking it looks cool. :rofl:
Oh, no... I didn't forget... Just figured I'd do 10 items on the first list. The 'bringing enough firepower for a war' is probably it's own whole topic. But i DO notice that a lot of videos will even have gun stuff sitting in frame while talking about anything... toilet paper, even. I guess this is because they want to draw in 'action junkies'. There's a really GOOD youtube channel, Prepper Princess, who does great stuff, particularly on the topic of thrifty living to save for preparedness stuff, and I swear, as a tongue in cheek thing, she has a short intro that's just her racking a shotgun.
And completely on that topic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvKV9qqzuRY
Lynn,
You forgot the video intro where the video 'maker' is wearing a bullet proof vest firing a semi-automatic assault rifle for no apparent reason, aside from, thinking it looks cool. :rofl:
Lynn,
You forgot the video intro where the video 'maker' is wearing a bullet proof vest firing a semi-automatic assault rifle for no apparent reason, aside from, thinking it looks cool. :rofl:
But obviously in an emergency you want to look as tacticool as possible because what are the chances police or other emergency services would mistake you for a threat! They'll obviously recognize that you know what you're doing because you have a YouTube channel so they'll step aside and let you take control of the situation!
Entertaining and on the money! :DYou forgot, they also wear camo... for stealth!
Why does everything have to have a carabiner on it these days? I imagine people walking around with all sorts of crap hanging off them like a Christmas Tree, jingling like Santa.
Temporarily hooking to things I understand, but clipping stuff to the outside of your bag? Just put it in the bag.
#3 Fixed blade knives for 'defense'. Okay. So... HOW much training do you have in knife fighting? Have you ever BEEN in a knife fight? Was it fun? Is it something you'd ever want to do again? No? Well, then maybe a swiss army knife with a saw is a better answer, and use it go cut yourself a 4 foot long stick.I kinda like my fixed blades for defense... and yeah come at me with your stick :D
Better solution: almost anything. Seriously. A f'ing sock with a rock in it is a better defensive tool. But a long stick would be my choice if avoidance was impossible.
I hate sporks! They don't work well as forks and don't work at all as spoons. Just get either Yugoslavian (Slovenian and Croatian armies still use the same one) or German army cutlery set. And the knife can be somewhat sharpened so it actually functions as a knife... :D :DI second that... don't like sporks. I like the NexTool
Lynn,
You forgot the video intro where the video 'maker' is wearing a bullet proof vest firing a semi-automatic assault rifle for no apparent reason, aside from, thinking it looks cool. :rofl:
But obviously in an emergency you want to look as tacticool as possible because what are the chances police or other emergency services would mistake you for a threat! They'll obviously recognize that you know what you're doing because you have a YouTube channel so they'll step aside and let you take control of the situation!
Stand back! I'm from YOUTUBE! (trumpet fanfare) :rofl:
And don't get me started on bottoning :rant: endless YouTube videos of people breaking cheap non full tang moras and bitching when they break :rant: smurfs use a smurfing hatchet or collect smaller wood ,or use a more expensive full tang if you want to Batton the smurf out of it ,but I guess it's too expensive and pretty ;)Bingo!
#8 Life Boat Survival BarsI disagree... calories are not the issue, not in 72h. You can go 72h without eating. Energy is though, if you want to stay active (activating those fat deposits around the belly takes some time and is slow). So, a couple of power-bar or power-gel will be a great help.
Look... I don't know how to tell you this. Those aren't magical elven Lembas bread. They're just basically sugar cookies. 'They don't provoke thirst'. So? That's because they're for LIFE BOATS... where drinkable water might be in short demand. 'They have your required calories...'. No. No they don't. They have MINIMUM SURVIVAL CALORIES FOR A SEDENTARY PERSON ON A LIFE BOAT, 1200 calories per day. 'They last five years'. So? So do Ramen noodles. Oh, and guess which one costs less to get/replace... and doesn't taste like total butt? I said TOTAL butt. I know some people aren't a fan of ramen.
Better solution: Ramen noodles. Or instant mashed potatoes. Instant oatmeal. About a jillion other things.
#3 Fixed blade knives for 'defense'. Okay. So... HOW much training do you have in knife fighting? Have you ever BEEN in a knife fight? Was it fun? Is it something you'd ever want to do again? No? Well, then maybe a swiss army knife with a saw is a better answer, and use it go cut yourself a 4 foot long stick.I kinda like my fixed blades for defense... and yeah come at me with your stick :D
Better solution: almost anything. Seriously. A f'ing sock with a rock in it is a better defensive tool. But a long stick would be my choice if avoidance was impossible.
Yup, fairly old picture though... that Hanwei feather is broken in two and I got new swords. My latest additions you can see here (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,74682.0.html)#3 Fixed blade knives for 'defense'. Okay. So... HOW much training do you have in knife fighting? Have you ever BEEN in a knife fight? Was it fun? Is it something you'd ever want to do again? No? Well, then maybe a swiss army knife with a saw is a better answer, and use it go cut yourself a 4 foot long stick.I kinda like my fixed blades for defense... and yeah come at me with your stick :D
Better solution: almost anything. Seriously. A f'ing sock with a rock in it is a better defensive tool. But a long stick would be my choice if avoidance was impossible.
I like your fixed blades. So HEMA? :D
OK, wait a bit, I need to come up for batoning a bit...... :salute:I agree. My bitch is when idiots try to baton 6 inch logs with a small knife and then says that the knife sucks because it broke.
99% of the time we buy local hardwoods (Camelthorn and Mopani are prefered) for firemaking purposes, this is for the "braai".......barbecue, only done right....... :whistle:
We buy the wood in 25kg bags in general, containing sawn and sometimes split wood in 30-40cm lenghts.
Most people also have an extremely large en always extremely dull axe in, at or about the "braai" place for splitting wood.
I firmly believe there is no safer or easier way to split a few pieces when starting the fire than batoning with a large knife.....and I always have a big leaf spring chopper around.
Can someone explain one other thing - why are some people spending very big sums of money (let us say over $500 or €500, depending on where we are) on backpacks that weight more than the contents of the bag put together (especially those 120liter "backpack" that requires a frame and straps and a hip belt which are all sold separately) but then count grams on eating utensils, folding knives (the back up for a fixed blade), fixed blade knives (have to be light to strike fast :facepalm: ) and just about everything else with the exception of a wool blanket which is often in itself heavier than most well rounded sleep systems of equal warmth can be?Beats me about the packs. I just use an old ALICE pack I got for 25 bucks. Has a frame, light weight and tough as nails.
Can someone explain one other thing - why are some people spending very big sums of money (let us say over $500 or €500, depending on where we are) on backpacks that weight more than the contents of the bag put together (especially those 120liter "backpack" that requires a frame and straps and a hip belt which are all sold separately) but then count grams on eating utensils, folding knives (the back up for a fixed blade), fixed blade knives (have to be light to strike fast :facepalm: ) and just about everything else with the exception of a wool blanket which is often in itself heavier than most well rounded sleep systems of equal warmth can be?I cannot talk about other people... but I own two EVOC backpacks (10 (https://www.evocsports.com/products/backpacks/cc-10l) & 20 (https://www.evocsports.com/products/backpacks/fr-trail-team-20l)L). They are both fairly heavy and fairly expensive. They are heavy due to the many pockets on the inside, letting you organize stuff (Ok, the 20L is also heavy because it has a back protector built in, not the worst idea when you cycle on icy roads).
a few ideas from MorsLove that guy! He has forgot more than most of us will ever know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpdTCWAGlR8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvlmsH0IFT4
And don't get me started on bottoning :rant: endless YouTube videos of people breaking cheap non full tang moras and bitching when they break :rant: smurfs use a smurfing hatchet or collect smaller wood ,or use a more expensive full tang if you want to Batton the smurf out of it ,but I guess it's too expensive and pretty ;)Bingo!
You can baton with a morakniv and I do sometimes, just not a 6 inch log. Great for fine stuff.
While I don't fully agree with all of your points, Lynn, it is merely from a matter of local terrain and gear preference...
But part of why I have kind of dropped out the "prepper community" is that most people say their plan isn't to run to the woods and play out their Robinson Crueso/Mountainman fantasy, but then that is what they pack for. I think it is becuase no one can reconcil the mental disparrity between the following kinds of sources:
-bushcraft, overly romantized descriptions of being a cowboy or a mountain man, or traditional pre-industrial skills (usually practiced by people who don't walk the walk, talk the talk, and die of old age at 35 assuming they made it out puberty- I like my running water)
-WWII-vintage aviator survival manuals and more modern manuals that trace their way to those
-fall out shelters (and the delusions that follow)
-political wackiness and the panic that can be stirred up by one guy on a dirt bike screaming into the night, "ISIS is comming! The ISIS is comming".
People have no idea what their plan is, so they try to absorb knowledge, never practice, and never try to apply it to their particular needs. But they will sure try to buy toys that can substitute for wisdom.
One of the things that makes me cringe is what I'll call "fad gear". Not all of it is "gucci gear", but the tool of your guru of choice. Like the Mora. I own a Mora. It's a nice knife. It isn't a great knife, but 10 years ago before they became super fashionable for their price they were good. They still are, honestly, but the prices have jumped two, three times and many of the more useful and traditional styles dropped there becuase they are a trendy
...It's a lot more fun to think about how to deal with zombies and north korea invading, than it is to think about how to be a refugee. Particularly in modern natural disasters- have a way to keep that ID and cash and bank book on you at all times.
...When I lived an afternoon's walk from work, fine, yes, I had a 72 hour pack wiating for me. But now, it's a two day walk, and with my medical condition, I'm not sure my feet will still be useful if I have to do that in winter. Or my lungs. Come February, it's less painful and just as final for me to eat my pistol than it is to try to play out some hollywood fantasy.
I'm not damning anyone who keeps a 72hour pack loaded at all times. Go for it. Just think long and hard about what it is really for, and act on rational, coherent, deliberative thought. Not trying to look cool.
Now I have had a laugh, I must begrudgingly admit a few items in my camp bag (can be used for a bug out I guess) designed for the Alabama woods.
and lastly a Thompson sub-machine gun.
Great thread Lynn :like:
You don´t need tons of stuff.
Food, water, and protection against the weather are the most important.
but are rather more likely than the invasion of the flesh-eating sheep.
Now we're talking the depressing scenarios, those which are really no fun planning for, but are rather more likely than the invasion of the flesh-eating sheep.
Can someone explain one other thing - why are some people spending very big sums of money (let us say over $500 or €500, depending on where we are) on backpacks that weight more than the contents of the bag put together (especially those 120liter "backpack" that requires a frame and straps and a hip belt which are all sold separately) but then count grams on eating utensils, folding knives (the back up for a fixed blade), fixed blade knives (have to be light to strike fast :facepalm: ) and just about everything else with the exception of a wool blanket which is often in itself heavier than most well rounded sleep systems of equal warmth can be?Beats me about the packs. I just use an old ALICE pack I got for 25 bucks. Has a frame, light weight and tough as nails.
I do like wools blankets. But I use them when it is warmer and I don't need a bulky -30 sleeping bag.
If done right, even with wool blankets and older gear that is heavier, the pack with everything in it should only weigh about 25 to 30 pounds at most. Give or take on the climate. Food and water is about the only thing that should really start to weigh the pack down. And that is just for camping. A BOB or 72 hour or what the hell ever they are called now will have more in it. But of course, it is a totally different situation. You may have kids with you or other factors.
I have said in a another thread before, people are really over thinking this anymore and are just going at each other. The thing is, it is you who is going to be using the bag and make the bag according to you skills and the things you like or are used to and make it to fit you needs.
Can someone explain one other thing - why are some people spending very big sums of money (let us say over $500 or €500, depending on where we are) on backpacks that weight more than the contents of the bag put together (especially those 120liter "backpack" that requires a frame and straps and a hip belt which are all sold separately) but then count grams on eating utensils, folding knives (the back up for a fixed blade), fixed blade knives (have to be light to strike fast :facepalm: ) and just about everything else with the exception of a wool blanket which is often in itself heavier than most well rounded sleep systems of equal warmth can be?I cannot talk about other people... but I own two EVOC backpacks (10 (https://www.evocsports.com/products/backpacks/cc-10l) & 20 (https://www.evocsports.com/products/backpacks/fr-trail-team-20l)L). They are both fairly heavy and fairly expensive. They are heavy due to the many pockets on the inside, letting you organize stuff (Ok, the 20L is also heavy because it has a back protector built in, not the worst idea when you cycle on icy roads).
CON
- Heavy
- Expensive
PRO
- Excellent quality and waterproof (the 20L has a built in water cover)
- The many pockets/sleeves let you organize your gear for easy access and saves you some weight as you don't need additional organizers like a Maxpedition pouch.
- They are small (as opposed to wide) allowing you to move unhindered in crowds
And yeah, if I can find equivalent/better gear that is lighter, I go for it. I have to carry it all the time.
If you are talking about those ridiculous "tactical" backpacks with molle webbing (which no one uses but adds tons of weight) all over... I have no idea :D
Sure the new packs might have bells and whistles, but an old Alice pack will do the job and won't be an eyesore.No, but they will give you a backsore. External frames? Horrible. Ancient technology that puts the weight on your back instead of your hips. Yuck. Never going near one again.
I am not sure about yours, but mine never gave me a back sore. The internal frame are way to hot on my back. But that just may be me.Sure the new packs might have bells and whistles, but an old Alice pack will do the job and won't be an eyesore.No, but they will give you a backsore. External frames? Horrible. Ancient technology that puts the weight on your back instead of your hips. Yuck. Never going near one again.
Sure the new packs might have bells and whistles, but an old Alice pack will do the job and won't be an eyesore.No, but they will give you a backsore. External frames? Horrible. Ancient technology that puts the weight on your back instead of your hips. Yuck. Never going near one again.
I cannot help you with that. Tactical and camo seem extremely counter-productive in emergency situations.Can someone explain one other thing - why are some people spending very big sums of money (let us say over $500 or €500, depending on where we are) on backpacks that weight more than the contents of the bag put together (especially those 120liter "backpack" that requires a frame and straps and a hip belt which are all sold separately) but then count grams on eating utensils, folding knives (the back up for a fixed blade), fixed blade knives (have to be light to strike fast :facepalm: ) and just about everything else with the exception of a wool blanket which is often in itself heavier than most well rounded sleep systems of equal warmth can be?Beats me about the packs. I just use an old ALICE pack I got for 25 bucks. Has a frame, light weight and tough as nails.
I do like wools blankets. But I use them when it is warmer and I don't need a bulky -30 sleeping bag.
If done right, even with wool blankets and older gear that is heavier, the pack with everything in it should only weigh about 25 to 30 pounds at most. Give or take on the climate. Food and water is about the only thing that should really start to weigh the pack down. And that is just for camping. A BOB or 72 hour or what the hell ever they are called now will have more in it. But of course, it is a totally different situation. You may have kids with you or other factors.
I have said in a another thread before, people are really over thinking this anymore and are just going at each other. The thing is, it is you who is going to be using the bag and make the bag according to you skills and the things you like or are used to and make it to fit you needs.
That's what I've been saying for about a decade now. Sure the new packs might have bells and whistles, but an old Alice pack will do the job and won't be an eyesore. Now I don't have anything against a bit of extra weight but if I'm willing to take heavy items when there are alternatives that are lighter, just as good and oddly in the same price range then I certainly shouldn't be taking compromises on the rest of the gear. A plastic spoon is maybe 3 grams, a spoon from my kitchen is about 24. Sure I'd save 21 grams but if I'm willing to not save 1200 with other choices, then those 21 grams aren't that big of a deal.Can someone explain one other thing - why are some people spending very big sums of money (let us say over $500 or €500, depending on where we are) on backpacks that weight more than the contents of the bag put together (especially those 120liter "backpack" that requires a frame and straps and a hip belt which are all sold separately) but then count grams on eating utensils, folding knives (the back up for a fixed blade), fixed blade knives (have to be light to strike fast :facepalm: ) and just about everything else with the exception of a wool blanket which is often in itself heavier than most well rounded sleep systems of equal warmth can be?I cannot talk about other people... but I own two EVOC backpacks (10 (https://www.evocsports.com/products/backpacks/cc-10l) & 20 (https://www.evocsports.com/products/backpacks/fr-trail-team-20l)L). They are both fairly heavy and fairly expensive. They are heavy due to the many pockets on the inside, letting you organize stuff (Ok, the 20L is also heavy because it has a back protector built in, not the worst idea when you cycle on icy roads).
CON
- Heavy
- Expensive
PRO
- Excellent quality and waterproof (the 20L has a built in water cover)
- The many pockets/sleeves let you organize your gear for easy access and saves you some weight as you don't need additional organizers like a Maxpedition pouch.
- They are small (as opposed to wide) allowing you to move unhindered in crowds
And yeah, if I can find equivalent/better gear that is lighter, I go for it. I have to carry it all the time.
If you are talking about those ridiculous "tactical" backpacks with molle webbing (which no one uses but adds tons of weight) all over... I have no idea :D
I was talking about the tactical backpacks.
It is great for hunting and I can get the stuff at a military surplus store for a fraction of the cost than what Real Tree and Mossy Oak stuff is going for. I do wish some of the tactical stuff would come in different colors so it does not look so tactical. Some of the stuff is very versatile and practical.
A lot of military equipment is rugged and well made. I too try to find less "tactical" stuff.I virtually see no benefit to camo/tactical clothing/gear.It is great for hunting and I can get the stuff at a military surplus store for a fraction of the cost than what Real Tree and Mossy Oak stuff is going for. I do wish some of the tactical stuff would come in different colors so it does not look so tactical. Some of the stuff is very versatile and practical.
Personally, I feel that most civilian gear is better value for the money. Military gear usually is heavy, three generations behind on tech and fairly expensive (they can't sell it cheaper to the civilian, than they do to the military and the military is always overpaying). Hunters, at least around here, like to add some orange to their "camo" because they don't want to be invisible to other humans, just their prey.A lot of military equipment is rugged and well made. I too try to find less "tactical" stuff.I virtually see no benefit to camo/tactical clothing/gear.It is great for hunting and I can get the stuff at a military surplus store for a fraction of the cost than what Real Tree and Mossy Oak stuff is going for. I do wish some of the tactical stuff would come in different colors so it does not look so tactical. Some of the stuff is very versatile and practical.
On an aside, still looking for a good cordage option. I find paracord expensive and slippy in knots and don't want tarred line. I saw mention of baling twine. Anyone ever used it?Jute twine is great. Also makes a great fire starter. Baling twine is ok too, but after a few uses use need a new piece. Also makes for great fire starter, but be careful, it is treated to keep bugs and mice away.
On an aside, still looking for a good cordage option. I find paracord expensive and slippy in knots and don't want tarred line. I saw mention of baling twine. Anyone ever used it?Jute twine is great. Also makes a great fire starter. Baling twine is ok too, but after a few uses use need a new piece. Also makes for great fire starter, but be careful, it is treated to keep bugs and mice away.
Only if it burns nothing crazy but still don't breath the smoke.. 20000 baler twine is about the same thickness as jute and 9000 is about twice as thick as 20000 baler twine.On an aside, still looking for a good cordage option. I find paracord expensive and slippy in knots and don't want tarred line. I saw mention of baling twine. Anyone ever used it?Jute twine is great. Also makes a great fire starter. Baling twine is ok too, but after a few uses use need a new piece. Also makes for great fire starter, but be careful, it is treated to keep bugs and mice away.
Jute is bulky for the strength you get. I don't mind re-usability problems, why would treatment against bugs be a problem? Does it out gas dangerously or something?
On an aside, still looking for a good cordage option.
On an aside, still looking for a good cordage option.
Dyneema cord. Expensive but pretty strong and it doesn't slip. It still can break at the knots, though.
Another option would be marine use cords. Those things are tough :salute:
On an aside, still looking for a good cordage option. I find paracord expensive and slippy in knots and don't want tarred line. I saw mention of baling twine. Anyone ever used it?Jute twine is great. Also makes a great fire starter. Baling twine is ok too, but after a few uses use need a new piece. Also makes for great fire starter, but be careful, it is treated to keep bugs and mice away.
I think someone got the idea from my original post that I hate sporks. I don't. I hate short handled eating utensils, and unpolished bowls. The long-handled polished TOAKS sporks are fine, IMO.
Just to be clear. :D
I actually really like my Ti LMF spork. A full spoon and fork on either end. Zero compromises and pleasant to eat with.
Really not actually.I actually really like my Ti LMF spork. A full spoon and fork on either end. Zero compromises and pleasant to eat with.
Never having used an LMF spork, they seem a bit clunky. No awkwardness when you use 'em?
The worst I ever saw somebody's legs kicked out from under him was a reply to the dude's BOB gear list, it was rightly pointed out that he would not even be able to carry the load out of the city in which he resided..... :facepalm:
It's used for bankline fishing.
https://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/survival-fishing-techniques-bank-lines/
It is also known as mariners cord and was used on ships back in the day. Only then it was natural cordage and tar was used to protect the cord from water and salt.
love it Lynn,I couldn't of written it better myself,as for battoning :rant: don't even get me started on that subject :D
love it Lynn,I couldn't of written it better myself,as for battoning :rant: don't even get me started on that subject :D
please start
love it Lynn,I couldn't of written it better myself,as for battoning :rant: don't even get me started on that subject :D
please start
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love it Lynn,I couldn't of written it better myself,as for battoning :rant: don't even get me started on that subject :D
please start
+1
I did write this on the first page,about endless YouTube videos of people breaking Moras while battoning wood that's to big and then moaning about the knife , and praising there expensive knife that they just take pretty photos of :D the main. problem is people follow trends and not what actually is tried and trusted,
love it Lynn,I couldn't of written it better myself,as for battoning :rant: don't even get me started on that subject :D
please start
+1
I did write this on the first page,about endless YouTube videos of people breaking Moras while battoning wood that's to big and then moaning about the knife , and praising there expensive knife that they just take pretty photos of :D the main. problem is people follow trends and not what actually is tried and trusted,
sure but your rants are funs
Can you baton with a spork for weight savings?
love it Lynn,I couldn't of written it better myself,as for battoning :rant: don't even get me started on that subject :D
please start
+1
I did write this on the first page,about endless YouTube videos of people breaking Moras while battoning wood that's to big and then moaning about the knife , and praising there expensive knife that they just take pretty photos of :D the main. problem is people follow trends and not what actually is tried and trusted,
So that was the night I saved the day by battoning with my Byrd Meadowlark 2........ :cheers: :rofl:
Simply opened the blade halfway and battoned with it unlocked :salute: No worries......
So that was the night I saved the day by battoning with my Byrd Meadowlark 2........ :cheers: :rofl:
I think we need a "Build Lynn a BOB" contest... no price for the winner, but the looser gets a through whacking :D
I think we need a "Build Lynn a BOB" contest... no price for the winner, but the looser gets a through whacking :D
I support this idea
Molle.I'm with you on molle! You might as well wear a big sign saying 'I'm a tacti-cool mall ninja, shoot me first!' :D
I forgot how SICK I am of molle bullsmurf all over otherwise functional and non-idiotic looking bags.
And while we're at it...
Those big honkin ridiculously oversized bags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAtzN_ScKXY
Big or not, I want that backpack! :ahhh :drool:Molle.I'm with you on molle! You might as well wear a big sign saying 'I'm a tacti-cool mall ninja, shoot me first!' :D
I forgot how SICK I am of molle bullsmurf all over otherwise functional and non-idiotic looking bags.
And while we're at it...
Those big honkin ridiculously oversized bags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAtzN_ScKXY
Big or not, I want that backpack! :ahhh :drool:Molle.I'm with you on molle! You might as well wear a big sign saying 'I'm a tacti-cool mall ninja, shoot me first!' :D
I forgot how SICK I am of molle bullsmurf all over otherwise functional and non-idiotic looking bags.
And while we're at it...
Those big honkin ridiculously oversized bags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAtzN_ScKXY
That's why I went as anti tacticool as I could get with my EDC bag. Nobody pays much attention to or messes with the 6'2" 315 pound guy with the Hello Kitty bag. With just a few extra things added my EDC bag could easily become a get home or bug out bag, although it is kind of tight already.Molle.I'm with you on molle! You might as well wear a big sign saying 'I'm a tacti-cool mall ninja, shoot me first!' :D
I forgot how SICK I am of molle bullsmurf all over otherwise functional and non-idiotic looking bags.
And while we're at it...
Those big honkin ridiculously oversized bags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAtzN_ScKXY
Nice. Apparently bags with kid stuff on it are much less likely to be stolen, so actually, that's a pretty good call, if you can get over the 'I'm not cool looking' issue.
Also, I see you're carrying one of those 'books'. How is the battery life on it? :D
In all seriousness, I wish I saw more books in folks' bags. Great downtime entertainment, and a few other uses as well. Might wanna consider a ziplock bag for it, though, in case of rain.
If you've prepared a container with what you think you will need to survive, away from home and unsupported for 72 hours, and you keep that container in your car or office or easily accessible wherever you think you're most likely to need it, then it really doesn't matter what you call the container does it?
Pomsbz, in 1973 those who evacuated may not have brought the right things but at least they survived to return to their homes. Today we have more things that we are dependent on such as our computers and cell phones and we've had years to learn from previous catastrophes what we need to do before, during and after. Since you are concerned with what to take in an evacuation see response 20 to this thread, https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,74942.msg1598533.html#msg1598533 I made a list of what's really important, based on my own experiences.
One little test as what to pack in a bob, ditch the power for a week, if it doesn’t work or you don’t need it, it’s worthelss..you’d be surprised as to what’s worth packing, as I sit in the living room what’s good? All those movies, no, the lamps, no, all the electronics, no, the candles and lighter yeah, the pics wouldn’t do anything besides bring back memories, the couch or table, but I ain’t lugging them, nor the pillows, so only a candle and lighter.. move on to the kitchen, the fridge ain’t going to work, when we lost power for a week we weren’t here but we took totes and packed them full of snow and put them in the fridge, it worked, the stove, well I have a gas, it won’t work because it’s a electric click to start, but, with the lighter in the other room I can start the burners, only thing is I ain’t lugging that stove, but it was good to be able to cook so a mini stove would be good to carry, along with some fuel and a lighter, it’s like a domino effect, something in each room helps the other and so on, you just got to see what would work, what you would need, and is worth carrying?What about when you run out of gas(for the stove)?
JR
Fully agree to the three above posts!
Israelpiper (do you play the pipes or smoke one?) I think our situation is relatively unique. Being such a tiny country and having nowhere to run to. There is practically no refugee potential crisis, what direction would we turn to other than the sea? Where is there to hide while the forests are burning and the deserts provide no cover? I'm too young of course but I would be interested in what happened in the Golan during the Yom Kippur war when the Syrians attacked, there must have been settlements that were overrun. What did the people do? Did they flee, did they stay put, in what direction did they go and what if anything did they have the time to take? What kind of resettlement did they have while the war was still in progress? I think studies of that kind would be of the most use for our location.
Personally I have an 'overnight camping' bag in my car. It has what I need should I need to stay overnight in the car, at work or in a forest up north. Yes it could be a 'BoB' but only if I believed that 'bugging out' as a concept was to truly exist here. Heck I've got a wife and three children and I'm disabled....
True, but you could always go run to the store and get a gas, unlike electric, unless you work off of a generator, then you need nothing but gasoline. But still, what do you need to survive with no electricity? I mean you could have one of those little hand crank chargers or a solar to charge a phone, but like someone said services would probably be out..One little test as what to pack in a bob, ditch the power for a week, if it doesn’t work or you don’t need it, it’s worthelss..you’d be surprised as to what’s worth packing, as I sit in the living room what’s good? All those movies, no, the lamps, no, all the electronics, no, the candles and lighter yeah, the pics wouldn’t do anything besides bring back memories, the couch or table, but I ain’t lugging them, nor the pillows, so only a candle and lighter.. move on to the kitchen, the fridge ain’t going to work, when we lost power for a week we weren’t here but we took totes and packed them full of snow and put them in the fridge, it worked, the stove, well I have a gas, it won’t work because it’s a electric click to start, but, with the lighter in the other room I can start the burners, only thing is I ain’t lugging that stove, but it was good to be able to cook so a mini stove would be good to carry, along with some fuel and a lighter, it’s like a domino effect, something in each room helps the other and so on, you just got to see what would work, what you would need, and is worth carrying?What about when you run out of gas(for the stove)?
JR
I mean, since you mentioned no power, its just fair to consider about a no gas scenario....
Flashlights, Hearing aids, alternative wireless communication(satellite, radio), etc?True, but you could always go run to the store and get a gas, unlike electric, unless you work off of a generator, then you need nothing but gasoline. But still, what do you need to survive with no electricity? I mean you could have one of those little hand crank chargers or a solar to charge a phone, but like someone said services would probably be out..One little test as what to pack in a bob, ditch the power for a week, if it doesn’t work or you don’t need it, it’s worthelss..you’d be surprised as to what’s worth packing, as I sit in the living room what’s good? All those movies, no, the lamps, no, all the electronics, no, the candles and lighter yeah, the pics wouldn’t do anything besides bring back memories, the couch or table, but I ain’t lugging them, nor the pillows, so only a candle and lighter.. move on to the kitchen, the fridge ain’t going to work, when we lost power for a week we weren’t here but we took totes and packed them full of snow and put them in the fridge, it worked, the stove, well I have a gas, it won’t work because it’s a electric click to start, but, with the lighter in the other room I can start the burners, only thing is I ain’t lugging that stove, but it was good to be able to cook so a mini stove would be good to carry, along with some fuel and a lighter, it’s like a domino effect, something in each room helps the other and so on, you just got to see what would work, what you would need, and is worth carrying?What about when you run out of gas(for the stove)?
JR
I mean, since you mentioned no power, its just fair to consider about a no gas scenario....
JR
Well that can be good to, at time I’d sure in hell take be deaf over this tinnitus, especially when it comes to these kids and the wife! lol..Flashlights, Hearing aids, alternative wireless communication(satellite, radio), etc?True, but you could always go run to the store and get a gas, unlike electric, unless you work off of a generator, then you need nothing but gasoline. But still, what do you need to survive with no electricity? I mean you could have one of those little hand crank chargers or a solar to charge a phone, but like someone said services would probably be out..One little test as what to pack in a bob, ditch the power for a week, if it doesn’t work or you don’t need it, it’s worthelss..you’d be surprised as to what’s worth packing, as I sit in the living room what’s good? All those movies, no, the lamps, no, all the electronics, no, the candles and lighter yeah, the pics wouldn’t do anything besides bring back memories, the couch or table, but I ain’t lugging them, nor the pillows, so only a candle and lighter.. move on to the kitchen, the fridge ain’t going to work, when we lost power for a week we weren’t here but we took totes and packed them full of snow and put them in the fridge, it worked, the stove, well I have a gas, it won’t work because it’s a electric click to start, but, with the lighter in the other room I can start the burners, only thing is I ain’t lugging that stove, but it was good to be able to cook so a mini stove would be good to carry, along with some fuel and a lighter, it’s like a domino effect, something in each room helps the other and so on, you just got to see what would work, what you would need, and is worth carrying?What about when you run out of gas(for the stove)?
JR
I mean, since you mentioned no power, its just fair to consider about a no gas scenario....
JR
I love my Thrunite Ti3 and I'm deaf without my hearing aids. :D
Tinnitus? I get that also. :facepalm: :rofl:Well that can be good to, at time I’d sure in hell take be deaf over this tinnitus, especially when it comes to these kids and the wife! lol..Flashlights, Hearing aids, alternative wireless communication(satellite, radio), etc?True, but you could always go run to the store and get a gas, unlike electric, unless you work off of a generator, then you need nothing but gasoline. But still, what do you need to survive with no electricity? I mean you could have one of those little hand crank chargers or a solar to charge a phone, but like someone said services would probably be out..One little test as what to pack in a bob, ditch the power for a week, if it doesn’t work or you don’t need it, it’s worthelss..you’d be surprised as to what’s worth packing, as I sit in the living room what’s good? All those movies, no, the lamps, no, all the electronics, no, the candles and lighter yeah, the pics wouldn’t do anything besides bring back memories, the couch or table, but I ain’t lugging them, nor the pillows, so only a candle and lighter.. move on to the kitchen, the fridge ain’t going to work, when we lost power for a week we weren’t here but we took totes and packed them full of snow and put them in the fridge, it worked, the stove, well I have a gas, it won’t work because it’s a electric click to start, but, with the lighter in the other room I can start the burners, only thing is I ain’t lugging that stove, but it was good to be able to cook so a mini stove would be good to carry, along with some fuel and a lighter, it’s like a domino effect, something in each room helps the other and so on, you just got to see what would work, what you would need, and is worth carrying?What about when you run out of gas(for the stove)?
JR
I mean, since you mentioned no power, its just fair to consider about a no gas scenario....
JR
I love my Thrunite Ti3 and I'm deaf without my hearing aids. :D
Fully agree to the three above posts!
Israelpiper (do you play the pipes or smoke one?) I think our situation is relatively unique. Being such a tiny country and having nowhere to run to. There is practically no refugee potential crisis, what direction would we turn to other than the sea? Where is there to hide while the forests are burning and the deserts provide no cover? I'm too young of course but I would be interested in what happened in the Golan during the Yom Kippur war when the Syrians attacked, there must have been settlements that were overrun. What did the people do? Did they flee, did they stay put, in what direction did they go and what if anything did they have the time to take? What kind of resettlement did they have while the war was still in progress? I think studies of that kind would be of the most use for our location.
Personally I have an 'overnight camping' bag in my car. It has what I need should I need to stay overnight in the car, at work or in a forest up north. Yes it could be a 'BoB' but only if I believed that 'bugging out' as a concept was to truly exist here. Heck I've got a wife and three children and I'm disabled....
Yes, I have been teaching and composing for the Scottish Highland bagpipe for 40 years. Not a drop of Scots in me, though I briefly lived in Edinburgh, and I have visited Scotland quite a few times. I did once smoke a pipe for many years, preferring pure black Latakia tobacco. Gave it up in my late 50s.
Israel is a "last stand" nation. Leaving isn't a thought I'd ever entertain. Many here feel the same way, I am sure. What we may have to do is leave our homes or neighbourhoods on short notice in the event of a missile attack. Our army is a citizen conscript force, so it is us, and we are them.
I know the north from years of hiking on foot. From the top of the Kheirmon, to the lower Galilee, to Lake Kinneret--3000 meters up and 220 meters below sea level. I lived once on a kibbutz on the border with Lebanon, and on another one down in the middle of the Negev desert.
Preparedness is radically different in Israel from the US. We are very organized for disaster, and expect attack. We have an equipped large underground hospital in Haifa, an 8km long tunnel under Mount Karmel with a sealable ventilation system. The new train station in Jerusalem is 80m deep with steel blast doors, and only electric trains will use it, keeping the air clean. Tel Aviv too. All homes have a re-enforced safe room, or access to a near public shelter. Many large shopping centre garages are shelters. Everyone has a gas mask and an atropine auto-injector. We have three anti-missile systems, for low, medium and high level bogies (Iron Dome, Sling of David, The Arrow). The highest percent of first aid trained population in the world. A dense and rapidly growing rail system, and dramatically improved divided highway system, including the Trans-Israel Highway. An integrated military, with army, navy, air force, cyber warfare under a single command. Satellites overhead, nano-satellite capability, drones, cruise missiles, stealth subs, grannies who can field-strip an assault rifle in the dark in a rainstorm.
What happened on the Golan in 1973? All civilians farm families were removed. Very short notice. Some could hear that mechanical music only a tank lover could appreciate. Families in the lowlands took them in. Israel's 70 refurbished British Centurions that were then in place on the plateau held off 500 Soviet main battle tanks. Lots of 2km shots hit their marks, mostly bridging tanks. The Syrians fought excellently and bravely with better tanks, but the odds were against them. They threw in only 500 new tanks, and we threw in 70 old but superb Centurions, and had an unbeatable commander-in-chief. He inspired battle-hardened 29 year old battalion commander Colonel Avigdor Kahalani who stopped 150 tanks with his three. After three days of fighting, Israel now outnumbered even more, the Syrians saw a long row of giant angels standing in the Valley of Tears where the battle raged. A voice out of the heavens shouted "STOP ! توقف" and they turned around and went home.
A 72 hour bag is enough. Help is always near-by.
Americans have a great volunteer spirit. Better than waiting on federal agencies. Many prepared people will help those who are not. If I got stuck in a bomb shelter in America I'd hope someone had an extra stack of old Superman comics. Figure 10% or 20% of your bag for others, assuming a general disaster at hand.
Any way, the original topic concerned bug out bags and we went off topic and got into 72 hour bags and I really think they are two different things.
Due to rule violations, the following member have been banned.
Lynn LeFey - For creating a thread that stayed on topic
Alan K, pomsbz, Pabs - for posting in said thread (I expected better from you guys, especially you Pabs).
well since it hit the fan perhaps it would be appropriate to hear Lynn's thoughts of e-tools, trowels, spades and other digging utensils in these bobs
well since it hit the fan perhaps it would be appropriate to hear Lynn's thoughts of e-tools, trowels, spades and other digging utensils in these bobs
well since it hit the fan perhaps it would be appropriate to hear Lynn's thoughts of e-tools, trowels, spades and other digging utensils in these bobs
Did someone mention trowels in bobs? Here's mine though it's not a bob cause I don't know anyone called Bob :)
(http://www.timelessjewishart.com/EDC_zx/shovel.jpg)
I honestly don't care for the cold steel special forces shovel because it doesn't fold. I have a combo E-tool that folds so you can use the shovel like a pick which makes for easier digging and it has a spike on the other side for when you hit rocks or really compacted soil. I have used it to dig fire pits for over 20 years. It is a bit heavy on a hike, but then it gets left in camp while we explore with light weight day packs. If I had to rely on a pocket size trowel to dig any holes I'd be there all day.
I think I would reach for a big stick before a knife.Me too, but then again, I don’t know how to use a knife.
A stick being waved around might help scare an animal away or be used to keep it at bay as well as for whacking it. I doubt animals are scared of knives.I think I would reach for a big stick before a knife.Me too, but then again, I don’t know how to use a knife.
Good point.A stick being waved around might help scare an animal away or be used to keep it at bay as well as for whacking it. I doubt animals are scared of knives.I think I would reach for a big stick before a knife.Me too, but then again, I don’t know how to use a knife.
Most of the kits are build around the boys dream of beeing lost in the wood. How many disasters are like that?
Going rough camping and calling it survival training, is like calling yourself a surgeon because you can clip your own toenails.
Most of the kits are build around the boys dream of beeing lost in the wood. How many disasters are like that? I would estimate that more emergencies happen with some ressources or equipment around you rather than beeing in the woods/desert/...I agree a BOB/Survival Kit is like the EDC, very individual and strongly depending on where you are, what you plan on doing and what your abilities are.
Most of the kits are build around the boys dream of beeing lost in the wood. How many disasters are like that? I would estimate that more emergencies happen with some ressources or equipment around you rather than beeing in the woods/desert/...I agree a BOB/Survival Kit is like the EDC, very individual and strongly depending on where you are, what you plan on doing and what your abilities are.
I would like to add that building a shelter/camp is way overrated and could kill you, especially if water is scarce. If you read this story on knife news: Man Survives Four Days Lost in the Mountains with Buck 110 (https://knifenews.com/man-survives-four-days-lost-in-the-mountains-with-buck-110/), you will realize that his "survival skills" almost killed the man. Had he not lost his lighter he would probably have ended up so dehydrated that he could not save himself anymore.
Preparing does not just mean "bring as much gear as possible", but think about exit strategy / inform someone where you are going, and when you will be back etc.
Saddest part is that he is thinking about teaching survival to others :facepalm:Most of the kits are build around the boys dream of beeing lost in the wood. How many disasters are like that? I would estimate that more emergencies happen with some ressources or equipment around you rather than beeing in the woods/desert/...I agree a BOB/Survival Kit is like the EDC, very individual and strongly depending on where you are, what you plan on doing and what your abilities are.
I would like to add that building a shelter/camp is way overrated and could kill you, especially if water is scarce. If you read this story on knife news: Man Survives Four Days Lost in the Mountains with Buck 110 (https://knifenews.com/man-survives-four-days-lost-in-the-mountains-with-buck-110/), you will realize that his "survival skills" almost killed the man. Had he not lost his lighter he would probably have ended up so dehydrated that he could not save himself anymore.
Preparing does not just mean "bring as much gear as possible", but think about exit strategy / inform someone where you are going, and when you will be back etc.
So this man (Hutter) was out hiking without water, flashlight or map/compass (or knowledge) of local area and did not know where he was going when he "stepped off the path for a moment, and then couldn’t find it again.". Then he proceeded to walk in an unknown direction for 2 hours? It wasn't that a Buck 110 saved his life or losing a lighter saved his life...IT WAS BLIND LUCK THAT HIS STUPIDITY DID NOT KILL HIM!
When you're walking in the forrest and end up standing in between a wild boar and it's child, you won't have time to search for a big stick.Taking on such an animal in such a situation would be my absolute last resort. One would probably be bitten and/or gored before they can stick a knife in. Using trees for cover, putting my pack or anything else between myself and the animal, making lots of noise, throwing rocks or using a stick (they are actually quite common in forests)...
Don't overturn this whole topic from extreme BOBs to "even a folding knife is never needed".I didn't. :pok:
Everyone who survives something like that needs luck.The problem in this story is, that his knowledge almost got him killed and that he does not realize that. And while there is no problem with being lucky, the whole point of survival skills is to not rely on luck.
He did know what to eat, how to build camp. I'm not going to say he's an expert. But luck is always needed.
If you're a true survival expert out there on your own, but you break a leg... it might kill you.
A stick being waved around might help scare an animal away or be used to keep it at bay as well as for whacking it. I doubt animals are scared of knives.I think I would reach for a big stick before a knife.Me too, but then again, I don’t know how to use a knife.
:facepalm:We’re all on a derailed tangent, having fun.
Could my post be taken out of context even further? :shrug:
Your application with the Aus board of tourism has been denied, thank you.
Just stating facts.I don’t want one of those spiders in my bug-out-bag. :whistle:
We have a beautiful country, but some really nasty and angry animals.
We have this beautiful spider called a whistling tarantula.
My wife had one as a pet for a while, until the damn heater in the terrarium carked it and the spider died in winter.
The spider was what is known a s a new world spider.
Old world spiders can be handled and are generally reasonably docile.
New world spiders are generally not handled because they are seriously aggressive, very fast and even the the ones considered non poisonous ones have enough poison to make you quite ill.
Anyhoo, the whistling tarantula is a new world spider and feeding it was quite the Adrenalin rush .
Just opening the cage brought it to attention.
Drop the cockroach (woodbug) into the cage and it shot out of its hole, straight at the roach, the speed and aggression gave you a start every single time.
It wont kill you if it bites, you just throw up and feel intense pain for 24 to 48 hours.
Its about 10 cm across, (about 4 inches) but has been known to grow up to 15 cm (6 inches)
The Sydney funnel web is much nastier.
It goes hunting for a female, and nothing gets in its way
Anything that does gets walked over or bitten.
Dogs and cats are imune, humans are not and its very very toxic.
But my little favorite is the Blue Ringed Octopus.
Tiny thing, about 25 to 40 cm in size, lives around rocky shoreline where people fish and kids play.
Its quite reclusive, and requires a bit to get it out of its hole.
And when you do it gets all these pretty iridescent blue circles all over its body
THIS MEANS ITS REALLY REALY ANGRY.
They people say, Oh How pretty and put it on their arms.
It bites them
The toxin stops the heart, the lungs and you die, usually in about 2-3 minutes, unless CPR is administered until you get to hospital.
Yet very few Aussies die from all the toxic, aggressive and nasty animals we have.
Because in general, we leave the nasty things alone.
We don't play with them
We don't annoy them and we don't hunt them.
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I don’t want one of those spiders in my bug-out-bag. :whistle: