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Title: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on March 23, 2010, 03:38:50 AM
Gareth's note:- This might be a little late but given that there still seems to be these MTs readily available on Ebay I thought I'd make this thread a sticky so folks know what to watch out for. :-\



Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.

I just got my “OEM Gerber MP 600 D.E.T” in the door. I took a close look at it and knew immediately that it was what I suspected…a fake. I am happy regardless because I didn’t spend much, and it is rather astonishingly well made for a fake. Regardless, I am sure Gerber isn’t happy about this even though I am quite happy to get such a good copy for the collection. Now all I need to do is get a real one down the road and I am set.

I am going to list all the things that tipped me off about this tool being off sort of speak.

The first thing that you will notice is the sheath. The sheath has the Gerber symbol, however, it is made of rather thin and cheap material.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_4370small.jpg)

If you take a look on the back, you will see how loose the belt loops are. No Gerber sheath is this bad.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_4371small.jpg)

It does look good. They got the likeness very close. So close that it is difficult to tell its pedigree from this photo.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_4374small.jpg)

With the tools opened however, you do notice a few things off, such as very slight tool shapes, wrong configuration, odd looking pliers, etc.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_4376small.jpg)

Now lets compare it to a real Gerber. The closest I had was this BO MP 600 model. Comparing them, you can tell right off the bat that the BO on the Gerber is better. I may be wrong, but the BO is just black paint on the fake. They do look very similar don’t they?
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_4377small.jpg)
From the sides, there are a few places to see the differences though. In all Photographs, the fake is on the left and the real is on the right.

All the Gerber MP 600s that I own have stainless imprinted on the handles just above the tool lock tabs. The fake Plier lock tabs are of a shinier black plastic and aren’t as well formed as the real deal. They also bulge outwards a bit compared to the real ones.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_4378small.jpg)

Looking closer, you can see that the fake handles aren’t as angular as the real Gerber. It is more rounded as it goes towards the plier head. A few marking details are off as well. I must say, the ruler impressions are dead similar to the Gerber. I am a bit impressed with that.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_4380small.jpg)

Looking at the washer spaces, you will see that the washers are thicker. This of course means that the individual tools are also thinner then the real Gerber.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_4382small.jpg)

Although the handles are very close to the original, upon closer inspection, you can see that they used a slightly thinner sheet metal.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_4383small.jpg)

Looking at the inside of the handles at the locking mechanism, there are some subtle differences. The fake’s spring is smaller and the locking plate looks cheaper than the original.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_4385small.jpg)

The eBay seller is called hugewish, and although he states that he is from Hong Kong, the package came from Singapore with a return mail address:

30 Kaki Bukit Rd 3 #06-
03/04 Empire Techno Ctr
Singapore 418713

So there you have it. A not that badly made knock off of a good Gerber tool. Oh did I forget to mention that the plier heads rattle like the dead.  :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: cliosguy on March 23, 2010, 04:38:01 AM
nice comparison man :salute: looking at the diferences the gerber looks really nice(fit&finish) now i cant wait for my MP600 :ahhh
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Kmarr on March 23, 2010, 04:45:29 AM
You bought this on purpose know it might be a fake? Was it for comparison purposes since it was cheap?
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: WH867 on March 23, 2010, 04:55:02 AM
I have one on the way. Also from hugewish. Bought it on the 11th so should be here soon.  I already have a DET  so I can compare.

Nice pics as usual Chako.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Freudian Frog on March 23, 2010, 05:07:50 AM
I kind of love it when collecting extends to look-alikes and downright knockoffs. :rofl:

Thanks for the picture comparisson, very enlightening. :tu:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on March 23, 2010, 05:17:28 AM
Hey, I took a chance. I wasn't 100% sure it wasn't genuine. My BS meter did go off the charts though based on the price. For what I paid for it, I am more than happy. If nothing else, it is a conversation piece
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Sean on March 23, 2010, 06:34:54 AM
Thanks for the pictures and your write up.  What really burns me to no end is a copy
is one thing but a copy using the name on it of the company your imitating is quite
another.  It's awful.  :-\
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Spoonrobot on March 23, 2010, 06:35:06 AM
Interesting. Think it's worthwhile to alert Gerber to this?

A few years ago the firearms accessory the Grip Pod became an item that was issued to certain US Military members, over the course of time poorly made Chinese clones managed to get into the supply system and cause problems for frontline troops. Being that the EOD tool is sometimes issued and used by US Military personnel it may be worth an email to let Gerber know so they can make sure their supply line doesn't get compromised.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: AHB on March 23, 2010, 07:04:33 AM
A Gerber MUT...   :think:  :D
Great comparison, Chako..  :tu:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 23, 2010, 08:23:52 AM
do u realize how much trouble it is to create ALL of those stamped parts?

someone went thru an awful lot of trouble to make a counterfeit.

nice job on the comparisions BTW
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on March 23, 2010, 11:16:07 AM
I agree with you Sean 100%. I thought it might be a fake. Once I got it in, some things told me it wasn't real. It doesn’t reach the Gerber quality level by far.

Quoted from Fisting_chilil

Quote
It is fake.  Gerber confirmed and know about these guys and are currently looking into a law suit.  I am in negotiations w/the seller to get my money back.  They seem very concerned w/bad feedback, so I told them I'd give them good feedback as long as I could just get my money back.  He agreed, but now we are haggling over him paying for the postage back and me giving feedback AFTER I get my refund, not before like he wants, lol.  I plan on getting my money back, giving good feedback, then forwarding all my email threads to eBay as proof of how he coerced good feedback from me by with holding my refund.  Hopefully they will then cancel his account all together.

smurfs.

It looks like Gerber already knew about these fakes, and are taking action against them. They must be making a profit by selling these at less than 30 dollars. I know a real Gerber MP 600 D.E.T runs around 90 on eBay. As a collector, I am happy with it. If I wasn't a collector, I would be royally ticked off.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Neil on March 23, 2010, 11:40:17 AM
Thanks for the heads up :tu:  Not being a Gerber collector I'm not sure I would have been able to spot the difference which is worrying, as that means there will be a lot of people out there buying these thinking they are the real deal :(
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on March 23, 2010, 11:55:11 AM
Yes, this is a rather good copy.

Best bet for anyone out there who are viewing a possible purchase on eBay or elsewhere, that white USA is a dead giveaway. On a real Gerber, it is usually stamped and blends into the handles. This one is white paint and silk screened/printed on it. They really wanted to tell people that the tool was made in the US and thus made it prominent.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: andre0407 on March 23, 2010, 12:30:12 PM
If it comes from Singapore... I reckon I could go pay them a visit and see what it's all about...
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: DaveK on March 23, 2010, 01:23:00 PM
Wow, that's a bit of a league above the usual knock-off / copies you come across isn't it?

I'm off to check my Gerber's are real......
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 23, 2010, 03:11:44 PM
If it comes from Singapore... I reckon I could go pay them a visit and see what it's all about...

seller might be based in Singapore, but that tool comes from China
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 23, 2010, 07:13:08 PM
Here is an update from my purchases of these fakes (I bought 2..yeah...I know...).

They are now trying to coerce me into leaving them positive feedback with full marks to get my money refunded to me.  I've been going back and forth with them all night and all day today.  I've also found out that ebay will refund all my cost themselves, so I told the seller that I will not leave him good feedback and will get my refund through ebay.

This is the feedback I just left for the two I purchased:  THESE ARE FAKE!  SELLER OFFERING REFUND ONLY IF I LEAVE POSITIVE REVIEW FIRST!!! 

Chako and anyone else that bought from this guy, I really hope you all do the same.

I've opened counterfeit claims on both my items with ebay.

The following is taken directly from the emails between the seller and myself:

Me:That is coersion.  I will not be forced into anything on the threat of not getting my money back.  I'll just get my refund from eBay when I file a fraudulent claim.

Seller:After you leave me two positive feedback with full marks. Ok ?

Me:That would be fine with me, up to you.  When will the refund of $51.98 go into my paypal?

Seller:My friend. I mean you could keep the items and don't need to send back ,because the postage will cost a lot .

Me:"Ok, leave me two positive feedbacks and I refund all of the 50USD back to you."
That is coercion.

If you want to solve the problem, just give me my full refund and I'll send the tools back.  That is the only answer.


Seller:I just want to slove the problem. I don't mean to coerce you .


Me:Not acceptable.  I could get my money back from ebay by filing a fraudulent claim without having to be coerced into leaving you positive feedback.

Seller: Ok, leave me two positive feedbacks and I refund all of the 50USD back to you .
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 23, 2010, 07:14:10 PM
I have one on the way. Also from hugewish. Bought it on the 11th so should be here soon.  I already have a DET  so I can compare.

Nice pics as usual Chako.

Biggest tell all is the fact that their DET is missing the Remington Saw that the real models have.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 23, 2010, 07:16:00 PM
Thanks for the pictures and your write up.  What really burns me to no end is a copy
is one thing but a copy using the name on it of the company your imitating is quite
another.  It's awful.  :-\

I've notified Gerber of their ads (I say "their" because the seller is selling these items with two separate ebay accounts), as well as notified the website whose picture they stole and doctored to sell their fake items.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 23, 2010, 07:23:29 PM
If it comes from Singapore... I reckon I could go pay them a visit and see what it's all about...

Here is the info if you're inclined.
Name:
Li Hui
Address:
Room 302,No.158, Xin LiangXi RenJia
WuXi,214000
China
telephone:
+86-510--85892518

No idea if they are close to you or not.  Ebay has contacted them and the seller agreed to issue a full refund if I send them back.  Packing them up now.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Kmarr on March 23, 2010, 08:23:09 PM
WOOOOOOOOO I LOVE SEEING SOME ACTION! :D

Did they try to pass it off as an original Gerber?  Thats very much fraud.  They have fake rescue tools on ebay that say "warning: this is not Victorinox" as the opening to the description. That ain't fraud.  I think anyone who bought imitation items from them should ban together and shut those jackasses down.  Especially since these smurf-tools end up in the military. bad idea :-\
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 23, 2010, 08:29:12 PM
WOOOOOOOOO I LOVE SEEING SOME ACTION! :D

Did they try to pass it off as an original Gerber?  Thats very much fraud.  They have fake rescue tools on ebay that say "warning: this is not Victorinox" as the opening to the description. That ain't fraud.  I think anyone who bought imitation items from them should ban together and shut those jackasses down.  Especially since these Colorful Enunciation-tools end up in the military. bad idea :-\

Here is a link to one of his auctions for these items.  Fully claim they are Gerber and even doctored the pictures on a real Gerber website and pasted it in his ad.
http://cgi.ebay.com/GERBER-MULTI-TOOL-PLIER-STAINLESS-CARBIDE-CUTTER-H1_W0QQitemZ320503535204QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9f7fd664

One thing for anyone leaving feedback...make sure you write "FAKE GERBER" in your feedback because for some reason, when I look at his feedback now, my items are locked as "private" instead of "view item" so anyone looking at my feedback will not know that it was the Gerbers my feedback stated were fake.  grrrr
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: sawman on March 23, 2010, 08:41:13 PM
This boils my blood  :rant: being a huge fan of Gerber MTs, most because some people will actually think this is representative of Gerber's product.... !@$*%
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Kmarr on March 23, 2010, 08:41:51 PM
Wow they really make it abundantly clear that it is a GERBER.  It would have fooled me by looking at it cuz I know little about gerbers.  Looks a little suspicious that it is advertised for $96  on Gerber-tools.com and is going for $17.99.  

You might even be able to take this beyond ebay cuz it is noticibly counterfeit.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 23, 2010, 08:42:57 PM
This boils my blood  :rant: being a huge fan of Gerber MTs, most because some people will actually think this is representative of Gerber's product.... !@$*%

Yeah...they are great tools.  I'm still trying to figure out how to convince Chako to trade me his yellow and black one.... :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: DaveK on March 23, 2010, 09:11:37 PM
I know it's really bad and all that, but if anyone has a spare one............
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: AHB on March 23, 2010, 09:17:11 PM
I know it's really bad and all that, but if anyone has a spare one............
:D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 23, 2010, 09:18:57 PM
I know it's really bad and all that, but if anyone has a spare one............

Funny you mention that Dave...I just happen to have two extra.  The seller finally agreed to refund me the amount of $40.00.  I paid $25.99 each for the two I bought for a total of $51.98.  It would cost me $13.45 to ship them back to him, so he made the offer of letting me keep them and he'd refund me my total minus what it would cost me to ship them back.  So...case closed.  I've contacted all that should know about this seller, so that is that.

So...as I was saying...I now have two of these tools.  Wanna trade?  :D  Also Chako, if you move to get your money back, I'll trade you the other one!  LOL!
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 23, 2010, 09:53:37 PM
I know it's really bad and all that, but if anyone has a spare one............

Funny you mention that Dave...I just happen to have two extra.  The seller finally agreed to refund me the amount of $40.00.  I paid $25.99 each for the two I bought for a total of $51.98.  It would cost me $13.45 to ship them back to him, so he made the offer of letting me keep them and he'd refund me my total minus what it would cost me to ship them back.  So...case closed.  I've contacted all that should know about this seller, so that is that.

So...as I was saying...I now have two of these tools.  Wanna trade?  :D  Also Chako, if you move to get your money back, I'll trade you the other one!  LOL!

i hope you stick it to the seller in eBay Feedback though, he/she obviously is concerned about looking "legit"
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 23, 2010, 09:56:26 PM
I know it's really bad and all that, but if anyone has a spare one............

Funny you mention that Dave...I just happen to have two extra.  The seller finally agreed to refund me the amount of $40.00.  I paid $25.99 each for the two I bought for a total of $51.98.  It would cost me $13.45 to ship them back to him, so he made the offer of letting me keep them and he'd refund me my total minus what it would cost me to ship them back.  So...case closed.  I've contacted all that should know about this seller, so that is that.

So...as I was saying...I now have two of these tools.  Wanna trade?  :D  Also Chako, if you move to get your money back, I'll trade you the other one!  LOL!

i hope you stick it to the seller in eBay Feedback though, he/she obviously is concerned about looking "legit"


This is what I left: THESE ARE FAKE!  SELLER OFFERING REFUND ONLY IF I LEAVE POSITIVE REVIEW FIRST!!!

However, for some reason my feedback is locked so where it usually says "view item" and you can click it to see, now it just says "private" and you cannot click it.  Whomever leaves feedback should put FAKE GERBER in their title so others will know what item is counterfeit.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on March 23, 2010, 11:16:43 PM
Unfortunately, I left them a good review before I took a really close look at it. I jumped the gun on this one.  :-[

I have contacted eBay however and notified them of the goings on. I am quite pleased with it for the price. I did have my suspicions, but I must say, they aren't that bad quality wise for a fake. Once I opened the tool, the saw was a dead giveaway. Then I started to look online and found a few sites with different photos. The more I dug, the more I realized it was a fake. Then I went over it with a fine tooth comb comparing with my other Gerbers and quickly put together this thread to warn others about this one.

I won't fight the seller for 23 dollars. I have bought worse quality tools for more unfortunately. :( I did tell him he is selling fakes...he hasn't responded yet.

So long as everyone is warned about it, and Gerber knows about it, I have no qualms adding this one to the collection.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on March 24, 2010, 12:11:31 AM
Update. I phoned and talked to an eBay agent. They will be looking into it. I also informed them of this thread.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: parnass on March 24, 2010, 01:15:09 AM
... The eBay seller is called hugewish....

hugewish?   Odd name which resembles hogwash.    :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: MultiMat on March 24, 2010, 07:13:29 AM
Unfortunately, I left them a good review before I took a really close look at it. I jumped the gun on this one.  :-[

I have contacted eBay however and notified them of the goings on. I am quite pleased with it for the price. I did have my suspicions, but I must say, they aren't that bad quality wise for a fake. Once I opened the tool, the saw was a dead giveaway. Then I started to look online and found a few sites with different photos. The more I dug, the more I realized it was a fake. Then I went over it with a fine tooth comb comparing with my other Gerbers and quickly put together this thread to warn others about this one.

I won't fight the seller for 23 dollars. I have bought worse quality tools for more unfortunately. :( I did tell him he is selling fakes...he hasn't responded yet.

So long as everyone is warned about it, and Gerber knows about it, I have no qualms adding this one to the collection.

I gotta admit I did not pick my one as a fake  :( :(. I got my one with the view of trading it , but when I found that the Spike did not have a good lock up & could not trade it in that condition. I put it to the side wondering if I should send it in too Gerber . Glade I did not unwittingly trade a fake.
I am going to have a closer look at my one tonight. Great pick up Chako  :salute: :salute:
Strange model to copy init  :think: :think: :think: :think:.
If the price is too good to be true  ::) ::) :D :D :D :D

I just had a thought, I sure hope no service men/women bought any of these & it fails on them  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: sawman on March 24, 2010, 09:12:35 AM
...get a rope  :rant:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on March 24, 2010, 11:16:57 AM
I learned a bit last night. I did not know I could do an update to my feedback. I revisited my comment for this seller. Not as flashy as Fisting_chili's comment, but it is better than "all is warm and fuzzy with the world".

I also noted this seller has several "name brands" in between stars. I would wager those "name brands" are not really "name brands" at all.

I hear you MultiMat. It is such a well made copy isn't it? On mine, everything has a good solid lock including the C4 Spike.

If you didn't pay much for it, I would keep it as a cautionary tale if not a conversation piece.

I hear you loud and clear about soldiers buying this for front line duty. That thought really pissed me off. Even though it is a good copy of a Gerber, it still isn't a Gerber, and there is no telling what will fall off of it or break in an EDC situation.  :rant:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 24, 2010, 02:04:57 PM
Hey Chako,
If you're still looking for a DET, keep an eye on this one...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gerber-07400-Multi-tool-600-DET-NIB_W0QQitemZ250603219284QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a591da954

Auction just ended on another of these for this seller at $45.00!    That is a good price!  This one is real too
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Sean on March 24, 2010, 03:18:40 PM
On a side note, my Gerb 600 is my most carried tool.  Need those easily accessible pliers often
and the tools although a bit stubby perform what I need of them usually and are so easy to
get open when outdoors with cold hands and fingers.  :tu:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 24, 2010, 07:13:08 PM
Damn, this crap just doesn't end. 

Seller refunded me $20.00 for the one of the fakes and is still trying to get me to agree to cancel my bad feedback before sending the second refund.  I told him no and that my feedback was factual and did not have any personal attacks against him as a seller, but that others should be warned.

Now seller has changed his mind on giving me partial refunds and keep the tools, and wants me to send them both back for a full refund.  I don't think so.  He made the partial payment offer through ebays system and I accepted through ebay's system.  Deal is struck.  I called ebay and they told me to have him just give me my $20.00 and once verified, just call back and they'll close my case.

What a pain in the ass, but I will not be told what and how I can or cannot leave feedback for a deal that went south, through no fault of my own.  I even sent him this from ebay:

Sellers may not require buyers to leave specific Feedback or Detailed Seller Ratings.  Sellers also may not demand that buyers withdraw existing Feedback or Detailed Seller Ratings.  These prohibitions apply to all Feedback activity, whether prior to, during, or after delivery of goods or services described in the original listing.

Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:-->Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:

    *

      Listing cancellation
    *

      Limits on account privileges
    *

      Account suspension
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      Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings
    *

      Loss of PowerSeller status
    *

      Feedback rating and/or comment removal

Some Examples
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Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: WH867 on March 24, 2010, 07:40:23 PM
My DET is not here yet but recieved this email from the seller today.

"My friend , I just be told by some buyer , that the item I sold to you maybe not a real one. When you receive it , please send back it to me,  I will make full refund to you. Sorry for all the troubles I made,and thanks for your help. I don't mean to cheat anyone of my buyer. Thanks."


Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 24, 2010, 08:06:09 PM
My DET is not here yet but recieved this email from the seller today.

"My friend , I just be told by some buyer , that the item I sold to you maybe not a real one. When you receive it , please send back it to me,  I will make full refund to you. Sorry for all the troubles I made,and thanks for your help. I don't mean to cheat anyone of my buyer. Thanks."




Interesting.  I wonder if that came before or after I opened a claim with ebay's trust and safety department over his attempts to extort positive feedback from me.  Because I refused to cancel my negative feedback about him, he has changed his mind on the second item and is now requiring me to send it back before I can get my full refund on it.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: WH867 on March 24, 2010, 11:44:11 PM
Got this email a couple hours after the last one.

"When you receive the message ,please connect me.
And if you like the item and feel worth the price, you could keep it. And I'd like to send back 10USD to slove the problem. And hope you could just leave me a positive feedback."

Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: J-sews on March 25, 2010, 01:03:19 AM
Hmmm, I'd suspected these DET's might be fakes, based on the low price and where the seller was based. :-\ An even bigger clue was that the seller (hugewish) was the same guy who sold me this:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/Gerberhammerplier2.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/?action=view&current=Gerberhammerplier2.jpg)


Must be some Chinese factory is really going after Gerber big time. >:( What will be next? Fake Suspensions?! :ahhh
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on March 25, 2010, 01:22:27 AM
Well after phoning eBay and talking with one of their agents. It seems that I was offered the same deal with the 10 dollars refund. I took it. :)

That makes for a nice cheap example of a fairly good fake.

Fisting_Chili, I also opened a case against him shortly after you did.  :salute:

Bob, looks like it.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 25, 2010, 03:11:02 AM
Well after phoning eBay and talking with one of their agents. It seems that I was offered the same deal with the 10 dollars refund. I took it. :)

That makes for a nice cheap example of a fairly good fake.

Fisting_Chili, I also opened a case against him shortly after you did.  :salute:

Bob, looks like it.

Power to the people! :tu:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 25, 2010, 02:29:26 PM
Got this email a couple hours after the last one.

"When you receive the message ,please connect me.
And if you like the item and feel worth the price, you could keep it. And I'd like to send back 10USD to slove the problem. And hope you could just leave me a positive feedback."



You guys think there is ANY chance this seller didn't know he was selling fakes and is a victim himself?  I find it weird that he originally offered to let me keep the tools and give me a partial refund, but once I refused to cancel my negative feedback, he changed his mind and insisted he needs both tools back so he can take them all back to the factory for refund....BUT....that he is still offering partial refunds to both you and Chako.  Hmmm....
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: sawman on March 25, 2010, 05:53:19 PM
I think he had to know at some point what he was selling. If not the very beginning, then after all the complaints of fakes started.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 25, 2010, 06:58:08 PM
I think he had to know at some point what he was selling. If not the very beginning, then after all the complaints of fakes started.

Well, I call Bullsh**.  He is still putting up new ads
http://cgi.ebay.com/GERBER-MULTI-TOOL-PLIER-STAINLESS-CARBIDE-CUTTER-H1_W0QQitemZ220578681434QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item335b83925a

Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: WH867 on March 25, 2010, 07:02:57 PM
Got this email a couple hours after the last one.

"When you receive the message ,please connect me.
And if you like the item and feel worth the price, you could keep it. And I'd like to send back 10USD to slove the problem. And hope you could just leave me a positive feedback."



You guys think there is ANY chance this seller didn't know he was selling fakes and is a victim himself?  I find it weird that he originally offered to let me keep the tools and give me a partial refund, but once I refused to cancel my negative feedback, he changed his mind and insisted he needs both tools back so he can take them all back to the factory for refund....BUT....that he is still offering partial refunds to both you and Chako.  Hmmm....


I find it hard to believe that he did'nt know they were fake. And even if he did'nt know at the beginning he should  know now. But that is'nt slowing him down any. Still several auctions going on.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: sawman on March 25, 2010, 07:09:56 PM
Do they still have the "Ask seller a question" option for Ebay auctions? If so, you could ask "Why are you selling fakes?" for all to see...  :-\
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: WH867 on March 25, 2010, 07:14:52 PM
Do they still have the "Ask seller a question" option for Ebay auctions? If so, you could ask "Why are you selling fakes?" for all to see...  :-\
They still have it. But even if he answers it won't show up on the auction page unless he wants it to. Its an option
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 25, 2010, 08:47:13 PM
Got this email a couple hours after the last one.

"When you receive the message ,please connect me.
And if you like the item and feel worth the price, you could keep it. And I'd like to send back 10USD to slove the problem. And hope you could just leave me a positive feedback."



You guys think there is ANY chance this seller didn't know he was selling fakes and is a victim himself?  I find it weird that he originally offered to let me keep the tools and give me a partial refund, but once I refused to cancel my negative feedback, he changed his mind and insisted he needs both tools back so he can take them all back to the factory for refund....BUT....that he is still offering partial refunds to both you and Chako.  Hmmm....

Not a chance.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on March 25, 2010, 11:11:03 PM
Not only does he know they are fakes, he is also selling other tools as Gerbers, when they aren't. He bookends the name brand between black stars, telling me that it is a fake Item. If you look at his items, Gerber isn't the only name brand being ripped off.

Likewise, he is selling one of these tools.

(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_0802small.jpg)

At least it doesn't have Gerber on the tool, but he calls it a Gerber and it is between those black stars to draw attention to that fact.

The guy is guilty of peddling known fakes.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 25, 2010, 11:58:06 PM
Not only does he know they are fakes, he is also selling other tools as Gerbers, when they aren't. He bookends the name brand between black stars, telling me that it is a fake Item. If you look at his items, Gerber isn't the only name brand being ripped off.

Likewise, he is selling one of these tools.

(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_0802small.jpg)

At least it doesn't have Gerber on the tool, but he calls it a Gerber and it is between those black stars to draw attention to that fact.

The guy is guilty of peddling known fakes.

He and I are still going at it.  Now he is telling me (again!!!) that if I cancel my feedback, he will issue me the 20.00 refund for the second tool (1st one has already been refunded).  A few minutes before he was telling me to mail both tools back and he'll refund me my full amount.   I told him no, I'll send one back because the other one was already resolved and agreed upon...case closed.  Then he said if I send both tools back, he'll refund me the remaining balance for my full price minus the 20.00 he already paid me.  Isn't that the exact same thing? 

Then he goes into the whole thing about how he pays 15 for them so by him paying me the 20, it was his good faith gesture so I'd cancel my feedback.  Uh...no.  I never agreed to that.  Dude is nuts. 

I think anyone that deals with this counterfeit seller should nail him in feedback.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 26, 2010, 01:38:32 PM
Not only does he know they are fakes, he is also selling other tools as Gerbers, when they aren't. He bookends the name brand between black stars, telling me that it is a fake Item. If you look at his items, Gerber isn't the only name brand being ripped off.

Likewise, he is selling one of these tools.

(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_0802small.jpg)

At least it doesn't have Gerber on the tool, but he calls it a Gerber and it is between those black stars to draw attention to that fact.

The guy is guilty of peddling known fakes.

HOW is that Lansky a fake? Because it doesnt come from Lansky? It's the same exact tool.

http://www.worldtools.com/tools/lansky-function-multitool-p-5996.html

I can tell you this eBay seller probably has a direct contact at the Chinese factory that Lansky's "sourcing agent" used; it's one of the pitfalls of sourcing from China.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 26, 2010, 01:45:39 PM
Not only does he know they are fakes, he is also selling other tools as Gerbers, when they aren't. He bookends the name brand between black stars, telling me that it is a fake Item. If you look at his items, Gerber isn't the only name brand being ripped off.

Likewise, he is selling one of these tools.

(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_0802small.jpg)

At least it doesn't have Gerber on the tool, but he calls it a Gerber and it is between those black stars to draw attention to that fact.

The guy is guilty of peddling known fakes.

HOW is that Lansky a fake? Because it doesnt come from Lansky? It's the same exact tool.

http://www.worldtools.com/tools/lansky-function-multitool-p-5996.html

I can tell you this eBay seller probably has a direct contact at the Chinese factory that Lansky's "sourcing agent" used; it's one of the pitfalls of sourcing from China.


Well one thing I noticed right off the bat looking at your link is that the Lansky in this photo has the words facing the opposite direction.  Instead of them facing in toward each other, they face outward, away from each other.  Probably just another well conceived fake made of inferior materials and inferior design.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: jzmtl on March 26, 2010, 01:51:55 PM


I can tell you this eBay seller probably has a direct contact at the Chinese factory that Lansky's "sourcing agent" used; it's one of the pitfalls of sourcing from China.


Funny you said that, Spyderco scrapped their 1st byrd knife model because the factory was selling it out the back door from the start.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 26, 2010, 01:58:58 PM


Well one thing I noticed right off the bat looking at your link is that the Lansky in this photo has the words facing the opposite direction.  Instead of them facing in toward each other, they face outward, away from each other.  Probably just another well conceived fake made of inferior materials and inferior design.

that's a pretty generic Chinese MT to start with, and nobody is going to "tool up" to make a "fake" so they can move a few units on Ebay; they'd never recoup their investment.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 26, 2010, 02:30:33 PM


Well one thing I noticed right off the bat looking at your link is that the Lansky in this photo has the words facing the opposite direction.  Instead of them facing in toward each other, they face outward, away from each other.  Probably just another well conceived fake made of inferior materials and inferior design.

that's a pretty generic Chinese MT to start with, and nobody is going to "tool up" to make a "fake" so they can move a few units on Ebay; they'd never recoup their investment.

Not sure what you mean by "tool up"?  It it is anything like the MP 600 DET that started this thread, then it is most likely that it is not made to the exact standards of the real Lanskys.    Maybe they shaved a bit off the thickness of the steel gauge or maybe they have cheaper locking mechanisms, or maybe the steel quality is just not the same grade.  Its bad enough selling their tools under another company's name (one with a long history of excellence and a known reputation), but to sell inferior products under that company's name is even worse.  Like others, I wonder if anyone in the armed services bought any of these inferior tools.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 26, 2010, 05:59:12 PM
THAT Lansky tool is a generic multitool; they either paid a sourcing agent to procure it or licensed their brand to someone like Alltrade. I seriously doubt anyone from Lansky has ever set foot inside that Chinese factory.

I LIVE in Yangjiang, China about 4 months out of the year to watch over production; rarely do I see any Americans, and if I do, they are there for 1-2 days max. Can't blame em, it's a sh*thole city, not even a McDonalds.

Like the other poster mentioned, this seems to be a Chinese supplier issue, selling unauthorized versions, maybe even ones that failed QC inspection. But the notion some factory would invest in all that tooling to make some replicas to sell on eBay (how else are they going to sell them?) is very naive.

Take a close look at the fasteners on the "fake" Gerber and see how they resemble these other tools the seller posted? someone is dipping in the same parts pin if u ask me.

I haven't compared closely against the Carolina stuff coming out of China nut it wouldn't shock me if these "Gerbers" were coming out the backdoor.

Just my $.02
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 26, 2010, 06:17:25 PM
THAT Lansky tool is a generic multitool; they either paid a sourcing agent to procure it or licensed their brand to someone like Alltrade. I seriously doubt anyone from Lansky has ever set foot inside that Chinese factory.

I LIVE in Yangjiang, China about 4 months out of the year to watch over production; rarely do I see any Americans, and if I do, they are there for 1-2 days max. Can't blame em, it's a sh*thole city, not even a McDonalds.

Like the other poster mentioned, this seems to be a Chinese supplier issue, selling unauthorized versions, maybe even ones that failed QC inspection. But the notion some factory would invest in all that tooling to make some replicas to sell on eBay (how else are they going to sell them?) is very naive.

Take a close look at the fasteners on the "fake" Gerber and see how they resemble these other tools the seller posted? someone is dipping in the same parts pin if u ask me.

I haven't compared closely against the Carolina stuff coming out of China nut it wouldn't shock me if these "Gerbers" were coming out the backdoor.

Just my $.02

Interesting....I honestly don't know enough(or anything really...) about  Lanskys to say, so I'll just shut my maw on that one, lol.  So you mean that Lansky licensed their name to a generic distributor like Alltrade (not sure if I understand that fully) and that alltrade paid for the right to use Lansky's name as they wish? 

I can say, from speaking with Gerber here in Portland, that the DET's this seller is putting out are in no way authorized or connected to the Gerber company at all. No permissions were given and they are looking into legal action.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 26, 2010, 06:50:15 PM
That "fake" Gerber is def unauthorized  :rofl:

I'm just suggesting that the source of the problem probably has ties to Gerber's Chinese supplier network.

 
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 26, 2010, 06:53:17 PM
That "fake" Gerber is def unauthorized  :rofl:

I'm just suggesting that the source of the problem probably has ties to Gerber's Chinese supplier network.

 

Ahhh!  got it.  Thanks for the clarification :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 26, 2010, 07:00:27 PM
Also, just to clarify, I'm a merely offering an informed opinion (hopefully); I don't have any hard evidence in this case. But then again, solving their headaches isn't part of MY job description.

 8)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 26, 2010, 07:02:39 PM
Also, just to clarify, I'm a merely offering an informed opinion (hopefully); I don't have any hard evidence in this case. But then again, solving their headaches isn't part of MY job description.

 8)

Funny, when I worked with lawyers, I always used to tell them, "YOUR rush is not MY priority" :tu:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: mhhanson on March 26, 2010, 08:23:47 PM
This is highly likely an example of why you have to really watch what is happening with overseas production.  It can happen with any outsourced production, but overseas where you are not there watching, it can really show up.  There have been companies ruined by the clones that rolled off of unsupervised lines.  They transferred the technology and were transferred out of business.

It is just too easy when there is no one around to walk the product out of the back door.  If nothing happens then it just gets worse until you see your product sitting at half price next to your official one.  Then they say sorry and go on to the next sucker.

This is not a Xenophopic chant, I have seen good stuff done off shore or by contract, honestly, but usually to get it, you pay a premium to get it, have your people there and on a first name basis with the company, and/or own the plant.  When outsourcing, it is very much buyer beware and requires more effort than most companies realize.  It is not just the MBA attitude, lets get of that troublesome, dirty plant and rake in the dough, it is harder work wth the travel as running that dirty, troublesome plant or you end up in a process that starts with Chapter and ends with 11 or 7.

My vote goes for this one walked out the back door.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: WH867 on March 26, 2010, 09:20:03 PM
Mine showed up today.  Couple pics beside the real one..
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu305/horsehunter64/dscn1581.jpg)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu305/horsehunter64/dscn1585.jpg)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu305/horsehunter64/dscn1595.jpg)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu305/horsehunter64/dscn1603.jpg)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 26, 2010, 09:46:17 PM
Alright, my ordeal is finally over.  I proposed he give me a $10 refund on the second one and we'll call it even.  Went back and forth, back and forth as I tried to weedle him that if he spent 15 on it and I bought for 25, giving me a 10 refund would make him brake even and would at least close the fraud case and the feedback extortion case I have open against him.    Ebay would require me to send it back with delivery confirmation...which to China would cost me over 25.00 but I didn't tell the seller that.   So he thinks I only lose the $15, but if I had to ship it back I would have lost even more.

Its done and I'm glad.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 26, 2010, 09:52:07 PM
Now...do you think I can sell these on ebay if I list them as Gerber fakes???   :rofl:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 26, 2010, 10:00:24 PM
Now...do you think I can sell these on ebay if I list them as Gerber fakes???   :rofl:

eBay really helps perpetuate this sort of unauthorized/counterfeit business by allowing these overseas sellers to maintain auctions - the companies affected have little recourse against the seller(s), other than maybe shutting down their eBay accounts.

If someone were stupid enough to import those things to the US and then sell them, then they could get hit with trademark/patent infringement suits like whoa :twak:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Neil on March 26, 2010, 10:15:03 PM
Its all about presentation :P

Title: Genuine INFAMOUS Gerber FAKES!!!

Description:  Yes these are the real deal!  These are not just any old knock -off, NO! These are the truly infamous ones that you've heard all the woeful tales about.  The clandestine oriental deals, the black mail, the retaliation, the horror of negative feedback  :o

Become the end of this internet legend and own one of THESE <insert picture>

You know you'll regret it if you don't win this, there are no second chances.  You've followed the drama, now's your chance to be part of it.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 26, 2010, 10:18:28 PM
Its all about presentation :P

Title: Genuine INFAMOUS Gerber FAKES!!!

Description:  Yes these are the real deal!  These are not just any old knock -off, NO! These are the truly infamous ones that you've heard all the woeful tales about.  The clandestine oriental deals, the black mail, the retaliation, the horror of negative feedback  :o

Become the end of this internet legend and own one of THESE <insert picture>

You know you'll regret it if you don't win this, there are no second chances.  You've followed the drama, now's your chance to be part of it.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 26, 2010, 10:25:27 PM
Its all about presentation :P

Title: Genuine INFAMOUS Gerber FAKES!!!

Description:  Yes these are the real deal!  These are not just any old knock -off, NO! These are the truly infamous ones that you've heard all the woeful tales about.  The clandestine oriental deals, the black mail, the retaliation, the horror of negative feedback  :o

Become the end of this internet legend and own one of THESE <insert picture>

You know you'll regret it if you don't win this, there are no second chances.  You've followed the drama, now's your chance to be part of it.
Neil's on the sauce again ::) :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Neil on March 26, 2010, 10:26:28 PM
Just a slight headache actually  :twak:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 26, 2010, 10:30:54 PM
Just a slight headache actually  :twak:
So have I now >:( :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on March 26, 2010, 10:37:46 PM
Mine is a real Lansky. I checked Lansky’s official site when I bought it and it matched.

That tool is generic. All those examples are basically the same tool made by the same factory, with different cosmetics specific to the buyer.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 26, 2010, 10:40:27 PM
You've followed the drama, now's your chance to be part of it.[/center]

Damn...that is killing me! :rofl:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 26, 2010, 11:29:43 PM
Mine is a real Lansky. I checked Lansky’s official site when I bought it and it matched.

That tool is generic. All those examples are basically the same tool made by the same factory, with different cosmetics specific to the buyer.


also the fasteners used on the tools next to the Lansky look very much like the one used on the "fake" Gerber
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on March 26, 2010, 11:53:37 PM
That is because that middle one is what the seller is selling as a Gerber...which it isn't. I bought that one somewhere in town for a song and a dance. It wasn't pretending to be anything other then what it is. The Lansky is real, and was in the right packaging and all. I got that one from the local gun shop. The other is another version of the same tool. It is a very common type of tool that can be found with plenty of cosmetic variations. The tools inside of these are all the same though.

That seller is using the middle cheap tool and trying to tell people it is a Gerber. If you don't know what your looking for, some unsuspecting person might think it is a Suspension or some other like shaped Gerber.

Seeing that eBay hasn't done anything to this guy, it looks like they are quite happy in getting their fees from him above making the um....er...."eBay experience" a safe one for buyers.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 27, 2010, 12:07:06 AM
That is because that middle one is what the seller is selling as a Gerber...which it isn't. I bought that one somewhere in town for a song and a dance. It wasn't pretending to be anything other then what it is. The Lansky is real, and was in the right packaging and all. I got that one from the local gun shop. The other is another version of the same tool. It is a very common type of tool that can be found with plenty of cosmetic variations. The tools inside of these are all the same though.

That seller is using the middle cheap tool and trying to tell people it is a Gerber. If you don't know what your looking for, some unsuspecting person might think it is a Suspension or some other like shaped Gerber.

Seeing that eBay hasn't done anything to this guy, it looks like they are quite happy in getting their fees from him above making the um....er...."eBay experience" a safe one for buyers.

That just goes against my principles.  Bugs the hell out of me.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 27, 2010, 12:15:31 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_4168small.jpg)

Someone should compare the "fake" 600 to that model

Like i said, if this was a "counterfeit," someone went thru a lot of trouble and expense to make the tooling necessary to make a pretty close facsimile. Which doesnt make a whole lot of business sense, because Ebay is one of the few venues where a seller could get away with passing this off as the real thing.

This is highly likely an example of why you have to really watch what is happening with overseas production.  It can happen with any outsourced production, but overseas where you are not there watching, it can really show up.  There have been companies ruined by the clones that rolled off of unsupervised lines.  They transferred the technology and were transferred out of business.

It is just too easy when there is no one around to walk the product out of the back door.  If nothing happens then it just gets worse until you see your product sitting at half price next to your official one.  Then they say sorry and go on to the next sucker.

This is not a Xenophopic chant, I have seen good stuff done off shore or by contract, honestly, but usually to get it, you pay a premium to get it, have your people there and on a first name basis with the company, and/or own the plant.  When outsourcing, it is very much buyer beware and requires more effort than most companies realize.  It is not just the MBA attitude, lets get of that troublesome, dirty plant and rake in the dough, it is harder work wth the travel as running that dirty, troublesome plant or you end up in a process that starts with Chapter and ends with 11 or 7.

My vote goes for this one walked out the back door.

Great observations.

IF i were a betting man, i would put my money on either a current (or former) Gerber component supplier.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on March 27, 2010, 12:58:34 AM
That is an MP400, which is smaller than the MP600 line. Comparing the fake 600 D.E.T. to a smaller tool makes no sense when the fake is the same size as the real 600.

I do agree with you tough, someone went to a lot of trouble in copying the real Gerber. My only guess is that the real one is close to 100 US on eBay, and someone along the way felt bad about selling them for that price and making a huge profit, and started to sell them for under 30 bucks.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: MultiMat on March 27, 2010, 01:00:33 AM
Mine showed up today.  Couple pics beside the real one..
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu305/horsehunter64/dscn1581.jpg)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu305/horsehunter64/dscn1585.jpg)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu305/horsehunter64/dscn1595.jpg)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu305/horsehunter64/dscn1603.jpg)


See I am not a complete fool , bloody close copy  :( :( :(.
I would be keen to hear from Gerber about this , surely they used some Gerber parts to make this copy.  :think: :think: :think:
Like Multitaskertools  says, those fasteners on the Fake scream Gerber.
Supplier gone rouge maybe we wont hear from Gerber  :think: :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: J-sews on March 27, 2010, 01:10:38 AM
Different plier head mold though. And different handle stamping dies. And different blades. And different slide lock releases.


Does it seem likely that the supplier of genuine Gerber screws would go out and purchase ALL of the other tooling necessary to produce all the other components? :think: I wouldn't think so. :-\
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 27, 2010, 01:17:52 AM
That is an MP400, which is smaller than the MP600 line. Comparing the fake 600 D.E.T. to a smaller tool makes no sense when the fake is the same size as the real 600.



you miss my point; I'm saying the components on the "fake" 600 look like they're made by the same place that makes the mp400
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: MultiMat on March 27, 2010, 01:18:49 AM
Different plier head mold though. And different handle stamping dies. And different blades. And different slide lock releases.



OK one thing is clear than , I am a complete fool  :D :D :D :D :D :D :( :P
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on March 27, 2010, 01:25:16 AM
No they aren't. The tools have subtle differences, even to the genuine MP 600. There is a slight difference in shapes, etc. Definitely in thickness. They are thinner than any Geber tool found on the 400/600 line.

MultiMat, if you look closely on yours, you will also note that the fasteners are not exact either. Bloody close, but they do not match my other MP 600s.

Yeah, it is a good fake. Surprisingly well made at that considering its lack of a pedigree.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: WH867 on March 27, 2010, 01:29:36 AM
No they aren't. The tools have subtle differences, even to the genuine MP 600. There is a slight difference in shapes, etc. Definitely in thickness. They are thinner than any Geber tool found on the 400/600 line.

MultiMat, if you look closely on yours, you will also note that the fasteners are not exact either. Bloody close, but they do not match my other MP 600s.

Yeah, it is a good fake. Surprisingly well made at that considering its lack of a pedigree.

Agreed.  Everything is close. But nothing is exactly the same.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: J-sews on March 27, 2010, 01:33:24 AM
No they aren't. The tools have subtle differences, even to the genuine MP 600. There is a slight difference in shapes, etc. Definitely in thickness. They are thinner than any Geber tool found on the 400/600 line.

MultiMat, if you look closely on yours, you will also note that the fasteners are not exact either. Bloody close, but they do not match my other MP 600s.

Yeah, it is a good fake. Surprisingly well made at that considering its lack of a pedigree.

Agreed.  Everything is close. But nothing is exactly the same.

Sure seems like a lot of work for how few they'll actually be able to sell :think:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: WH867 on March 27, 2010, 01:52:05 AM
Different plier head mold though. And different handle stamping dies. And different blades. And different slide lock releases.



OK one thing is clear than , I am a complete fool  :D :D :D :D :D :D :( :P
Finally something we can all agree on :shrug:                                                                                          :D












   
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Neil on March 27, 2010, 02:05:08 AM
Different plier head mold though. And different handle stamping dies. And different blades. And different slide lock releases.



OK one thing is clear than , I am a complete fool  :D :D :D :D :D :D :( :P
Finally something we can all agree on :shrug:                                                                                          :D

You do know he's just going to take that as an added compliment (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/smileys/fool.gif)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on March 27, 2010, 02:14:05 AM
 :drink:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: MultiMat on March 27, 2010, 02:17:10 AM
 :rofl: yep  :D :D.

If someone tracks down the 'Fake Fu#king Fu$ked Up Friskars Fine Establishment of Fakes ' company I would like to contact them to see if they would make me  a copy of the 10th Anniversary PST  :P :P :D :D  
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: J-sews on March 27, 2010, 02:26:35 AM
:rofl: yep  :D :D.

If someone tracks down the 'Fake Fu#king Fu$ked Up Friskars Fine Establishment of Fakes ' company I would like to contact them to see if they would make me  a copy of the 10th Anniversary PST  :P :P :D :D  

I wonder if the gold paint will be dry yet before hugewish has them up on eBay? ::) :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 27, 2010, 02:28:11 AM
:rofl: yep  :D :D.

If someone tracks down the 'Fake Fu#king Fu$ked Up Friskars Fine Establishment of Fakes ' company I would like to contact them to see if they would make me  a copy of the 10th Anniversary PST  :P :P :D :D  

Im holding out for the "Fake Fu#king Fu$ked Up Leathermans Fine Establishment of Fakes " so I can get my copy of the 18k gold charge that is in their display case for $40,000.00!!!
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: MultiMat on March 27, 2010, 07:42:12 AM
:rofl: yep  :D :D.

If someone tracks down the 'Fake Fu#king Fu$ked Up Friskars Fine Establishment of Fakes ' company I would like to contact them to see if they would make me  a copy of the 10th Anniversary PST  :P :P :D :D  

I wonder if the gold paint will be dry yet before hugewish has them up on eBay? ::) :D

Bob you do a disservice to the FFFUFFEOF company , their minimum production standards would not allow simple gold paint  :twak: :twak:.
I think they would use some kind of toxic gold colored plaiting that fads too poo brown in 6months  ;) :D :P :D :D :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: AHB on March 27, 2010, 07:45:11 AM
:rofl: yep  :D :D.

If someone tracks down the 'Fake Fu#king Fu$ked Up Friskars Fine Establishment of Fakes ' company I would like to contact them to see if they would make me  a copy of the 10th Anniversary PST  :P :P :D :D  

I wonder if the gold paint will be dry yet before hugewish has them up on eBay? ::) :D

Bob you do a disservice to the FFFUFFEOF company , their minimum production standards would not allow simple gold paint  :twak: :twak:.
I think they would use some kind of toxic gold colored plaiting that fads too poo brown in 6months  ;) :D :P :D :D :D
Do you think the do TiNi SOGs too.. ??  :P :P  :D :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: MultiMat on March 27, 2010, 07:56:36 AM
Allan we really need a contact , so we can ask  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: AHB on March 27, 2010, 07:58:08 AM
Allan we really need a contact , so we can ask  :D :D :D :D
We're gonna be soo rich...  :cheers:

 :D :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: SlackOne on March 29, 2010, 02:02:31 AM
While everyone is seeing this as eBay-only, I'm kind of wondering how many of these will end up wandering around all over Asia, Africa, Russia, and South America.  Counterfeit trade in parts of those areas is...erm...brisk, so this might actually sell well.  Also, considering the kind of blatant counterfeit items I've seen in "Chinese Crap Stores" and flea markets here in the States, I'm not entirely sure that some unmarked examples of this tool won't end up plonking down on our shores as well.

Maybe on Airsoft sites :P
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 29, 2010, 04:31:15 AM
eBay shields the Chinese sellers from legal action via trademark/patent infringement; much easier to penalize someone selling this merchandise from the US.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 29, 2010, 05:25:14 AM
eBay shields the Chinese sellers from legal action via trademark/patent infringement; much easier to penalize someone selling this merchandise from the US.

How?  How do they shield them? ???
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 29, 2010, 05:28:08 AM
eBay shields the Chinese sellers from legal action via trademark/patent infringement; much easier to penalize someone selling this merchandise from the US.

How?  How do they shield them? ???

how is Gerber going to sue them? In China? :rofl:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 29, 2010, 05:37:01 AM
eBay shields the Chinese sellers from legal action via trademark/patent infringement; much easier to penalize someone selling this merchandise from the US.

How?  How do they shield them? ???

how is Gerber going to sue them? In China? :rofl:

Yeah I can see that. But can't they still take legal action to have their auctions brought down or accounts terminated?  maybe some action against ebay if they will not shut down their auctions? 
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 29, 2010, 05:54:18 AM
I'm sure they can shut down this specific account; but it's easy enough to establish a new account to replace the one that's been terminated. It's precisely why you see so many fakes being peddled on eBay - there's no REAL recourse against the sellers of fake merchandise.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: DaveK on March 29, 2010, 12:34:19 PM
Gerber can have these listings removed, simply by asking ebay to remove them.

Whitby and Co (UK importers of Leatherman, Maglite, Buck etc) actually have a person / team that trawl the internet looking for things like this so they can close them down. I'd have thought that Gerber would too.

Has anyone told Gerber about these fakes?
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 29, 2010, 02:35:33 PM
Gerber can have these listings removed, simply by asking ebay to remove them.

Whitby and Co (UK importers of Leatherman, Maglite, Buck etc) actually have a person / team that trawl the internet looking for things like this so they can close them down. I'd have thought that Gerber would too.

Has anyone told Gerber about these fakes?

I took them over to Gerber in person and spoke with one of their people.  They were already aware of these people and looking into legal action.  For some reason, I don't think it is as easy as just asking ebay to shut them down because I'm sure they already did and the ads are still up...and still going up.

I also contacted Harley Davidson to have them look into those Harley Davidson multitools the same seller is peddling.  Also contacted the owners of the real webpage, whose screenshot the fake sellers stole and doctored to show the counterfeits and they told me they were not pleased and would contact ebay.

Yet the ads still go up?
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 29, 2010, 02:44:57 PM
Gerber can have these listings removed, simply by asking ebay to remove them.

Whitby and Co (UK importers of Leatherman, Maglite, Buck etc) actually have a person / team that trawl the internet looking for things like this so they can close them down. I'd have thought that Gerber would too.

Has anyone told Gerber about these fakes?

I took them over to Gerber in person and spoke with one of their people.  They were already aware of these people and looking into legal action.  For some reason, I don't think it is as easy as just asking ebay to shut them down because I'm sure they already did and the ads are still up...and still going up.

I also contacted Harley Davidson to have them look into those Harley Davidson multitools the same seller is peddling.  Also contacted the owners of the real webpage, whose screenshot the fake sellers stole and doctored to show the counterfeits and they told me they were not pleased and would contact ebay.

Yet the ads still go up?

Precisely the point Ive been trying to make. Ebay gives these rogue sellers a safe haven to do business.

You can shut down 1 seller account, then another 1 will pop up in its place.

IMO, the only to root out the problem is to address it from the supply chain side.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 29, 2010, 02:47:08 PM
Gerber can have these listings removed, simply by asking ebay to remove them.

Whitby and Co (UK importers of Leatherman, Maglite, Buck etc) actually have a person / team that trawl the internet looking for things like this so they can close them down. I'd have thought that Gerber would too.

Has anyone told Gerber about these fakes?

I took them over to Gerber in person and spoke with one of their people.  They were already aware of these people and looking into legal action.  For some reason, I don't think it is as easy as just asking ebay to shut them down because I'm sure they already did and the ads are still up...and still going up.

I also contacted Harley Davidson to have them look into those Harley Davidson multitools the same seller is peddling.  Also contacted the owners of the real webpage, whose screenshot the fake sellers stole and doctored to show the counterfeits and they told me they were not pleased and would contact ebay.

Yet the ads still go up?

Precisely the point Ive been trying to make. Ebay gives these rogue sellers a safe haven to do business.

You can shut down 1 seller account, then another 1 will pop up in its place.

IMO, the only to root out the problem is to address it from the supply chain side.

But its not even a different seller.  Its the same Hugewish guy that still has his account active and still puts up more ads.  Its almost like no action at all has been taken against him
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 29, 2010, 02:59:56 PM
Gerber can have these listings removed, simply by asking ebay to remove them.

Whitby and Co (UK importers of Leatherman, Maglite, Buck etc) actually have a person / team that trawl the internet looking for things like this so they can close them down. I'd have thought that Gerber would too.

Has anyone told Gerber about these fakes?

I took them over to Gerber in person and spoke with one of their people.  They were already aware of these people and looking into legal action.  For some reason, I don't think it is as easy as just asking ebay to shut them down because I'm sure they already did and the ads are still up...and still going up.

I also contacted Harley Davidson to have them look into those Harley Davidson multitools the same seller is peddling.  Also contacted the owners of the real webpage, whose screenshot the fake sellers stole and doctored to show the counterfeits and they told me they were not pleased and would contact ebay.

Yet the ads still go up?

Precisely the point Ive been trying to make. Ebay gives these rogue sellers a safe haven to do business.

You can shut down 1 seller account, then another 1 will pop up in its place.

IMO, the only to root out the problem is to address it from the supply chain side.

But its not even a different seller.  Its the same Hugewish guy that still has his account active and still puts up more ads.  Its almost like no action at all has been taken against him

It's been THIS hard to shut this guy down, despite the complaints.

How hard is it going to be for him, or another seller in China, to offer up the same merchandise from a different account?

There is no accountability for selling fakes on eBay, that's why these sellers exploit it.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: DaveK on March 29, 2010, 03:03:39 PM
ebay shut me down quick enough, based on a very dodgy instruction from Whitby's  ???

I was told by ebay that when they receive any complaint, they suspend the listings and worry about it later!
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 29, 2010, 03:10:31 PM
ebay shut me down quick enough, based on a very dodgy instruction from Whitby's  ???

I was told by ebay that when they receive any complaint, they suspend the listings and worry about it later!

perhaps the Ebay.uk fellas actually do their jobs  :multi:

im a bit of a clotheshorse, and i can tell you there are sheer oceans of counterfeit designer goods floating on eBay auctions at anytime - so obvious too

it's why i prefer to buy stuff off Styleforum.net - the admin & membership there does a great job of flushing out fakes.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: DaveK on March 29, 2010, 03:53:49 PM
ebay shut me down quick enough, based on a very dodgy instruction from Whitby's  ???

I was told by ebay that when they receive any complaint, they suspend the listings and worry about it later!

perhaps the Ebay.uk fellas actually do their jobs  :multi:

im a bit of a clotheshorse, and i can tell you there are sheer oceans of counterfeit designer goods floating on eBay auctions at anytime - so obvious too

it's why i prefer to buy stuff off Styleforum.net - the admin & membership there does a great job of flushing out fakes.

Maybe you're right!
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Charger on March 30, 2010, 06:32:58 AM
one just sold on ebay.ca for 30 bucks plus 12 shipping.  IDENTICAL to Chako's and............Hugewish!
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: WH867 on March 30, 2010, 08:20:31 PM
one just sold on ebay.ca for 30 bucks plus 12 shipping.  IDENTICAL to Chako's and............Hugewish!

Hugewish is no longer a registered member on ebay. 
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 30, 2010, 09:05:44 PM
one just sold on ebay.ca for 30 bucks plus 12 shipping.  IDENTICAL to Chako's and............Hugewish!

Hugewish is no longer a registered member on ebay. 

Booooooya!!! (Yes...I said booya)

Very nice!  I was hoping that if Gerber, Harley Davidson and the administrators of gerber-tools.com all complained something would be done. :cheers:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Charger on March 31, 2010, 01:58:50 AM
WH867
as of like just now? or as of a long time?

it was .ca not .com

sorry, I was a bit confused by your phrasing
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 31, 2010, 02:05:10 AM
WH867
as of like just now? or as of a long time?

it was .ca not .com

sorry, I was a bit confused by your phrasing

Has to be today.  I was looking at his other items yesterday and now everything is gone.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: WH867 on March 31, 2010, 02:32:47 AM
WH867
as of like just now? or as of a long time?

it was .ca not .com

sorry, I was a bit confused by your phrasing
It happened Sometime between late last night and noon today .  I was going to leave feedback for him today and found out I no longer can do that.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 31, 2010, 03:27:49 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gerber-Multi-Plier-600-Yellow-Lumilite-AA-Flashlight_W0QQitemZ370214809132QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item563285ae2c

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gerber-Multi-Plier-600-Black-Needle-Nose-Sheath-NEW_W0QQitemZ380220000809QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5886e0ca29

both sellers are US-based, but the price (Buy It Now for less than $35) and qty (more than 10 available) make me wonder :think:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on March 31, 2010, 03:54:23 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gerber-Multi-Plier-600-Yellow-Lumilite-AA-Flashlight_W0QQitemZ370214809132QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item563285ae2c

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gerber-Multi-Plier-600-Black-Needle-Nose-Sheath-NEW_W0QQitemZ380220000809QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5886e0ca29

both sellers are US-based, but the price (Buy It Now for less than $35) and qty (more than 10 available) make me wonder :think:
Those are real.  I bought one of the yellow set (Damn you Chako!!!).  One thing to, is I look at the seller rating and with both of theirs in the thousands, I'd trust it. 
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on March 31, 2010, 03:56:36 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gerber-Multi-Plier-600-Yellow-Lumilite-AA-Flashlight_W0QQitemZ370214809132QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item563285ae2c

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gerber-Multi-Plier-600-Black-Needle-Nose-Sheath-NEW_W0QQitemZ380220000809QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5886e0ca29

both sellers are US-based, but the price (Buy It Now for less than $35) and qty (more than 10 available) make me wonder :think:
Those are real.  I bought one of the yellow set (Damn you Chako!!!).  One thing to, is I look at the seller rating and with both of theirs in the thousands, I'd trust it. 

Something's amiss if they can sell at those prices, and everyone else is around 60...

or maybe im just paranoid :ahhh
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: J-sews on April 03, 2010, 02:45:01 PM
Just got one of these DET's in via Australia (thanks MAT!) and sure enough its fake as a three dollar bill. :P Every single component - at least 20 different parts - has been copied and remade. Nothing is original Gerber. An amazingly thorough job of counterfeiting to be sure. But the clues are there and easy to spot once you know what to look for.

The plier head for instance looks good at arms length, but I wonder how well the crimper jaws would really work? The crimp profile is much better formed on the genuine article:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET1.jpg)


You guys have already pointed out the other major shortcomings in the handles and blades. One other thing worth mentioning though is the slider spring-clips. They are barely held on on the fake model! I was able to pop them off easily with just my fingernail. No way you could do this on a real Gerber! :o

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET2.jpg)


Once apart, you can see other differences between a real Gerber plier head casting and the fake one.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET4.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET3.jpg)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on April 03, 2010, 03:01:28 PM
Just got one of these DET's in via Australia (thanks MAT!) and sure enough its fake as a three dollar bill. :P Every single component - at least 20 different parts - has been copied and remade. Nothing is original Gerber. An amazingly thorough job of counterfeiting to be sure. But the clues are there and easy to spot once you know what to look for.

The plier head for instance looks good at arms length, but I wonder how well the crimper jaws would really work? The crimp profile is much better formed on the genuine article:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET1.jpg)


You guys have already pointed out the other major shortcomings in the handles and blades. One other thing worth mentioning though is the slider spring-clips. They are barely held on on the fake model! I was able to pop them off easily with just my fingernail. No way you could do this on a real Gerber! :o

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET2.jpg)


Once apart, you can see other differences between a real Gerber plier head casting and the fake one.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET4.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET3.jpg)

Who'd you buy from?  The seller?  Is it the same guy?  Thats cool you can take it all apart like that and I agree ...they are damn well made fakes, but fakes none the less.  I hope no service personnel bought them to use in the field...
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: J-sews on April 03, 2010, 03:19:46 PM
I do believe Mat originally obtained mine from the same Hugewish shyster that you fellows did.

And it's NOT cool that it comes apart this easily! :P The damn thing would probably disintegrate just when you needed it the most! :ahhh

In my opinion, they built this fake one to look good only while still in the package. (painted black metal instead of proper B.O. finish, flimsy plastic lock releases, thin gauge metal handles, etc)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on April 03, 2010, 03:29:00 PM
Agreed.

Most fakes only need to dupe the unwary online for the sell.

I know about the easy disassembly. I did that to mine the other day. It goes back together as easy as it comes apart.  :D

I do like these fakes though. I have a Mammut that should make landfall sometime in the next 2 to 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on April 03, 2010, 03:43:43 PM
Agreed.

Most fakes only need to dupe the unwary online for the sell.

I know about the easy disassembly. I did that to mine the other day. It goes back together as easy as it comes apart.  :D

I do like these fakes though. I have a Mammut that should make landfall sometime in the next 2 to 3 weeks.


Mammut? ???
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: J-sews on April 03, 2010, 03:53:04 PM
Agreed.

Most fakes only need to dupe the unwary online for the sell.

I know about the easy disassembly. I did that to mine the other day. It goes back together as easy as it comes apart.  :D

I do like these fakes though. I have a Mammut that should make landfall sometime in the next 2 to 3 weeks.


Mammut? ???

Fake (junk) Wave :P
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on April 03, 2010, 04:03:13 PM
Agreed.

Most fakes only need to dupe the unwary online for the sell.

I know about the easy disassembly. I did that to mine the other day. It goes back together as easy as it comes apart.  :D

I do like these fakes though. I have a Mammut that should make landfall sometime in the next 2 to 3 weeks.


Mammut? ???

Fake (junk) Wave :P
Haha,  how do you get "fake wave" from "mammut"?? 
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: J-sews on April 03, 2010, 04:10:52 PM
Mammut is German for mammoth, and is also the name of an import company. What comes out the back end of the mammoth is the crap Wave knock off they sell:


http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,5657.0.html
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on April 03, 2010, 04:11:53 PM
Mammut is German for mammoth, and is also the name of an import company. What comes out the back end of the mammoth is the crap Wave knock off they sell:


http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,5657.0.html
Ahhh...thats pretty funny and clever!
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on April 03, 2010, 04:13:05 PM
http://cgi.ebay.ca/MAMMUT-FINE-TOOL-CORPORATION-MULTI-TOOL-with-logo_W0QQitemZ250608713268QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a59717e34
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: ryan1835 on April 03, 2010, 10:28:07 PM
Just got one of these DET's in via Australia (thanks MAT!) and sure enough its fake as a three dollar bill. :P Every single component - at least 20 different parts - has been copied and remade. Nothing is original Gerber. An amazingly thorough job of counterfeiting to be sure. But the clues are there and easy to spot once you know what to look for.

The plier head for instance looks good at arms length, but I wonder how well the crimper jaws would really work? The crimp profile is much better formed on the genuine article:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET1.jpg)


You guys have already pointed out the other major shortcomings in the handles and blades. One other thing worth mentioning though is the slider spring-clips. They are barely held on on the fake model! I was able to pop them off easily with just my fingernail. No way you could do this on a real Gerber! :o

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET2.jpg)


Once apart, you can see other differences between a real Gerber plier head casting and the fake one.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET4.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET3.jpg)


does the fake accept the real plier head?

just curious
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: J-sews on April 03, 2010, 10:30:10 PM
does the fake accept the real plier head?

just curious


It does! (man these guys copied it to a tee) :P
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Kmarr on April 04, 2010, 03:58:07 AM
What crafty little buggers!

Also, I didn't know it was that easy to take out the plier, now more mod ideas just came into my head :ahhh
so many mods and I have not yet finished one!! :ahhh
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: ryan1835 on April 04, 2010, 09:38:37 AM
What crafty little buggers!

Also, I didn't know it was that easy to take out the plier, now more mod ideas just came into my head :ahhh
so many mods and I have not yet finished one!! :ahhh

there made to do that though
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on April 10, 2010, 02:54:27 AM
Well it didn't take long for our boy to find himself back on eBay.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/GERBER-MULTI-TOOL-PLIER-STAINLESS-CARBIDE-CUTTER-H1_W0QQitemZ180490738622QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2a06161bbe

Now goes by the name mamawed2009 from China.

Note the stars around the name brand in the title...a dead giveaway. This item is fake. Note the USA that is painted on as opposed to punched into the handles. That sheath is made of thin materials also.

I reported him for all the good that will do.

Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on April 10, 2010, 08:56:12 AM
"Awesome eBayer" huh? ::)

don't know if it's the SAME seller, definitely using HUGEWISH images

Like I said, until something is done on the supply chain side to choke off the supply of these "fakes", they will have difficulty stopping these auctions
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Zed on April 13, 2010, 09:24:12 PM
Well it didn't take long for our boy to find himself back on eBay.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/GERBER-MULTI-TOOL-PLIER-STAINLESS-CARBIDE-CUTTER-H1_W0QQitemZ180490738622QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2a06161bbe

Now goes by the name mamawed2009 from China.

Note the stars around the name brand in the title...a dead giveaway. This item is fake. Note the USA that is painted on as opposed to punched into the handles. That sheath is made of thin materials also.

I reported him for all the good that will do.



im glad i just read this as i came across this today on ebat and thought wow thats cheap,  :-\   :cheers: ill give it a miss  :tu:

paul
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on April 30, 2010, 05:39:26 AM
so much for eBay stepping in huh? now the seller has a perfect 100% feedback rating again  :think:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on April 30, 2010, 03:19:26 PM
so much for eBay stepping in huh? now the seller has a perfect 100% feedback rating again  :think:

I've pulled up that seller's for sale items and for each of the Gerbers, have reported the items as fake.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on April 30, 2010, 03:41:41 PM
so much for eBay stepping in huh? now the seller has a perfect 100% feedback rating again  :think:

I've pulled up that seller's for sale items and for each of the Gerbers, have reported the items as fake.

no doubt, but my point remains, eBay helps provide a safe haven for these types of sellers - which is why, IMHO, the only way to root out the problem is to address it from the supply chain side
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on April 30, 2010, 03:57:13 PM
so much for eBay stepping in huh? now the seller has a perfect 100% feedback rating again  :think:

I've pulled up that seller's for sale items and for each of the Gerbers, have reported the items as fake.

no doubt, but my point remains, eBay helps provide a safe haven for these types of sellers - which is why, IMHO, the only way to root out the problem is to address it from the supply chain side

They deleted the seller's other handle that was selling most of the Gerbers though, so ebay did actually take some action.  Was a bit slow, but something at least.  Also, I noticed that the current seller, at one time, had at least 10 of the Gerbers listed and now only has 1.  Used to have at least 3 pages of items for sale and now has less than 1.  Maybe action is still in the works.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on April 30, 2010, 09:59:12 PM
The open auction reads: "more than 10 available."
 :oops:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: kl27x on May 08, 2010, 11:16:41 PM
Is it just me, or does reading this thread make anyone else want to specifically seek out a fake Gerber MT at a smoking low cost? :)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Kmarr on May 08, 2010, 11:23:40 PM
 :angel:

Reading about how horrible the fake rescue tool was made me want to get one...


...so I did :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on May 08, 2010, 11:31:44 PM
Is it just me, or does reading this thread make anyone else want to specifically seek out a fake Gerber MT at a smoking low cost? :)

I have one I'll trade you or sell to you!  Pm me if interested :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: thundernoodle on June 04, 2010, 10:33:25 PM
if you go on his ebay page you can report item. i just did and reported that he was selling them before under the username hugewish. if you also look at a couple of his items for sale ie (Browning) its got hugewish over the picture. Ebay must do something if they get many reports  :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Fisting_Chili on June 04, 2010, 11:11:03 PM
:angel:

Reading about how horrible the fake rescue tool was made me want to get one...


...so I did :D

You dork, lol!  I have one just sitting around!  Coulda traded you something for it. :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Multitaskertools on June 15, 2010, 05:30:36 AM
i hate to say i told you so, but the same seller STILL has a perfect 100% feedback on eBay + numerous fake Gerbers for sale

http://shop.ebay.com/mamawed2009/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Neil on June 15, 2010, 08:00:36 PM
 :bnghd:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on June 15, 2010, 11:48:02 PM
It is in eBay's best interest to not get them off. They do make their money in fees after all.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: LLPete on August 29, 2013, 04:28:23 AM
I bought one of these on eBay for $15.91 with free shipping from China.  It was advertised as New Brand Stainless Steel Multi-Purpose Tool Pliers Utility Family Essential.  I could tell from the fuzzy photos that was labeled Gerber but I never really thought for that price that it would be the genuine article.  So I wasn't surprised when I got it and clearly it wasn't the real deal.  But it is probably worth $15.91.  What did piss me off though was the cheesy holster.  Crap. 
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: AlephZero on October 02, 2013, 01:55:24 PM
Just ordered MP600 DET on eBay for $44, remembering this thread I scrutinized every picture very carefully and compared to pictures on this thread. At least I couldn't see any telltale clues that it would be a fake, so fingers crossed :)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Gareth on October 02, 2013, 06:13:59 PM
Just ordered MP600 DET on eBay for $44, remembering this thread I scrutinized every picture very carefully and compared to pictures on this thread. At least I couldn't see any telltale clues that it would be a fake, so fingers crossed :)

Let us know how you get on mate. :tu:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: AlephZero on October 02, 2013, 07:18:54 PM
Just ordered MP600 DET on eBay for $44, remembering this thread I scrutinized every picture very carefully and compared to pictures on this thread. At least I couldn't see any telltale clues that it would be a fake, so fingers crossed :)

Let us know how you get on mate. :tu:

Will do :)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Dunc on October 03, 2013, 12:28:02 PM
Has anyone ever come across a MP400 fake ?
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Gareth on October 03, 2013, 06:09:02 PM
Has anyone ever come across a MP400 fake ?
Can't think I've ever heard of one. :think:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Dunc on October 03, 2013, 06:42:51 PM
Cheers Gareth , seems strange that they picked the 600 DET to fake over more popular models  :think:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 03, 2013, 06:45:13 PM
Cheers Gareth , seems strange that they picked the 600 DET to fake over more popular models  :think:

Same happened with the Vic Rescue Tool which is a niche market too :shrug:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: AlephZero on October 03, 2013, 07:41:58 PM
Less popular, more expensive, less people to notice its a fake? And still get decent profit... :shrug:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Philthy on October 15, 2013, 07:43:51 AM
Gerber's intellectual property department needs to step up their game...
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: AlephZero on October 15, 2013, 08:29:59 PM
Well good news, my DET was released from the customs today, so it should arrive any day now... after paying yet another 10 euros for taxes :rant:

oh well, still way cheaper that getting one from around here... :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: AlephZero on October 17, 2013, 08:02:25 PM
Well, it finally arrived...

First impressions, it was technically sold as new, but the seller told in the description that it has been stored without a sheath... the handles have scuff marks, but the tools look unused, plier action seems fine...

Pictures will follow :)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: AlephZero on October 18, 2013, 11:31:30 AM
Said pictures...

(http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx12/CaineKitty/Forum/PIC000118.jpg)

(http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx12/CaineKitty/Forum/PIC000119.jpg)

(http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx12/CaineKitty/Forum/PIC000120.jpg)

All in all, looks like I got lucky, this seems to be the real deal :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Gareth on October 18, 2013, 01:48:02 PM
Yup, looks real to me. :tu:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: AlephZero on October 19, 2013, 07:10:05 PM
Oh and to those who would like to get one, there's still one available: http://www.ebay.com/itm/271286832714?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: WH867 on November 02, 2013, 04:20:57 AM
Non locking Multi-Plier DET   :shrug:

(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu305/horsehunter64/3495ae97-4a08-4db5-a547-167b16a187f3.jpg) (http://s658.photobucket.com/user/horsehunter64/media/3495ae97-4a08-4db5-a547-167b16a187f3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Gareth on November 02, 2013, 09:45:14 AM
Not seen those ones before Dennis. :-\ 
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: AlephZero on November 15, 2013, 08:09:04 AM
Well, now the fakes have made their way to DealExtreme http://dx.com/p/8-in-1-stainless-steel-multi-tool-kit-black-41840

Doesn't claim to be MP600 DET or even Gerber but... :facepalm:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Gareth on March 01, 2014, 02:23:12 PM
Well, now the fakes have made their way to DealExtreme http://dx.com/p/8-in-1-stainless-steel-multi-tool-kit-black-41840

Doesn't claim to be MP600 DET or even Gerber but... :facepalm:

I decided to pick one of these up to sate my curiosity.  First thing to note is that, while the listing doesn't mention the name Gerber, both the sheath and the tool are marked Gerber. :(

Despite the low price I have to say that these just aren't worth buying, except as a curio I guess, certainly not worth it as a working tool IMO.  The file is just textured steel, the screwdrivers are all rounded at the corners, the blade is blunt.  In fact the only two tools that might actually be OK at their jobs are the lanyard ring and the C4 spike, and I'm never likely to need either of them. ::)

I had thought about putting a MP600 head into this tool but, while it does just go in it also binds up badly enough to not be worth the irritation.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: dipti on April 21, 2015, 08:42:46 AM
Great comparison and I am really thanks to you for letting us know about all this matter of Gerber knives.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: cool123 on April 21, 2015, 09:21:04 AM
Really a good comparison between the genuine and the duplicate one.
Nice work Chako  :cheers:

I have come across a Gerber Multiplier 400 at LINK REMOVED

(http://s10.postimg.org/5h9guqojt/Compact_Sport_Multi_Plier400.jpg)

Is this the genuine one or fake ?
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Gareth on April 21, 2015, 09:34:02 AM
At first glance the picture looks OK, but that's a very stock looking shot.  No way to say for sure that the tool you get would definitely look like that. :shrug:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: J-sews on April 22, 2015, 02:52:07 AM
Yep, that's a generic photo for sure.  :-\


Although I do not recall seeing any counterfeit MP400 tools on the market........yet......? :P
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: cool123 on April 22, 2015, 07:49:21 AM
Yep, that's a generic photo for sure.  :-\


Although I do not recall seeing any counterfeit MP400 tools on the market........yet......? :P

Thanks for the reply.
I really don't believe that the ebay is selling the fake or duplicate Gerber tools and I am not able to understand that why Gerber doesn't makes some provisions to check these frauds. Gerber is a famous brand and people are buying these Gerber tools with a believe of its authenticity and genuineness.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: cool123 on April 22, 2015, 07:51:16 AM
At first glance the picture looks OK, but that's a very stock looking shot.  No way to say for sure that the tool you get would definitely look like that. :shrug:

thanks for the reply.

So Can I go on further to buy this ?
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: DazMechanical on April 25, 2015, 02:23:28 PM
I just found this on a local trading site, selling it as a genuine Gerber Multi Tool, it's a total fake and a pretty crap one too!

(http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/DazMechanical/Mobile%20Uploads/FEF9498E-A1BA-4D53-B2FA-CC0894FEC65A_zpsa4asjd0x.png) (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/DazMechanical/media/Mobile%20Uploads/FEF9498E-A1BA-4D53-B2FA-CC0894FEC65A_zpsa4asjd0x.png.html)

(http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/DazMechanical/Mobile%20Uploads/7E9A6C39-69C6-4E52-B0BC-98A77C814C7D_zpsq8geph7n.png) (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/DazMechanical/media/Mobile%20Uploads/7E9A6C39-69C6-4E52-B0BC-98A77C814C7D_zpsq8geph7n.png.html)

(http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/DazMechanical/Mobile%20Uploads/09008001-A4F3-4FD8-A8B9-D056E08E5C40_zpsg90ydg9j.png) (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/DazMechanical/media/Mobile%20Uploads/09008001-A4F3-4FD8-A8B9-D056E08E5C40_zpsg90ydg9j.png.html)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Gareth on April 25, 2015, 07:55:18 PM
Sorry to hear that Daz.  I hope you didn't pay too much for it.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: DazMechanical on April 25, 2015, 11:58:45 PM
Sorry to hear that Daz.  I hope you didn't pay too much for it.


No worries mate, I didn't buy it, they're asking $40 just thought I'd add it to the thread! :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Gareth on April 26, 2015, 12:32:25 AM
Sorry to hear that Daz.  I hope you didn't pay too much for it.


No worries mate, I didn't buy it, they're asking $40 just thought I'd add it to the thread! :D

Phew!
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Cupboard on May 22, 2015, 08:53:27 PM
Cheap if you buy them straight from China:

http://www.[url=http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,55947.0.html]SPAMCORP.com/Multi-Function-Stretching-Pliers-Screwdriver-Steel-Tools-Set-p-938187.html[/url]
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Complete multitool on May 24, 2015, 09:47:18 PM
Hello guys, really new to this forum and to multitools.

I really want to buy a gerber multitool since i have had multiple occasions where i didn't have my toolbox with me because i wasn't working and i needed some tools.

Now, i found this seller on a website in my country(similar to ebay) and he is selling this thing for 25$ secondhand.
The title says the following : 215 GERBER tool DET
Here are some pictures.
I don't know if this is an obvious fake like the one in OP's post, since i am really new with these kind of tools.

Thanks in advance


Edited, I emailed the seller asking whether or not if its a real gerber, and if he has a receipt or whatever to prove it. waiting for a response now.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: zoidberg on May 24, 2015, 10:56:35 PM
Hello guys, really new to this forum and to multitools.

I really want to buy a gerber multitool since i have had multiple occasions where i didn't have my toolbox with me because i wasn't working and i needed some tools.

Now, i found this seller on a website in my country(similar to ebay) and he is selling this thing for 25$ secondhand.
The title says the following : 215 GERBER tool DET
Here are some pictures.
I don't know if this is an obvious fake like the one in OP's post, since i am really new with these kind of tools.

Thanks in advance


Edited, I emailed the seller asking whether or not if its a real gerber, and if he has a receipt or whatever to prove it. waiting for a response now.

Hello and welcome.  :cheers:  Judging from those pictures I would say it is a fake.  :td:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Complete multitool on May 24, 2015, 11:49:28 PM
Thanks!
For the price i kind off new it was too good to be true.. i flagged it for the website to take a look at it.
Dont know if its bad going off topic here, but does anyone know what kind of multitools have that slide mechanism?
I was thinking about either buying the gerber 600, or a  leatherman, not sure which though
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: zoidberg on May 25, 2015, 12:04:58 AM
Thanks!
For the price i kind off new it was too good to be true.. i flagged it for the website to take a look at it.
Dont know if its bad going off topic here, but does anyone know what kind of multitools have that slide mechanism?
I was thinking about either buying the gerber 600, or a  leatherman, not sure which though

We don't mind going off topic here but you will probably get more replies by starting a new thread.
There is only one Leatherman with the slide mechanism, the OHT.
I have both the OHT and MP600. I would chose between them depending on what you want to do.


Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: JNieporte on June 02, 2015, 05:00:51 PM
Sad to say, some of these made it to troops (not sure if they made it into combat). As far as I've heard, there have been no accidents. We had these issued to us, along with the real DETs. The main two complaints (on the fake) were:

-The blasting cap crimper doesn't work. It will compress the blasting cap, sure, but more times than is ever ideal, it will end with a *click*. That's the copper blasting cap being damaged. The blasting caps need to be squeezed shut at waist level (ass level, more precisely) so that if it goes off, it doesn't damage your eyes or other goodies. This leaves even less confidence in the fake, due to the occurrence of damaging the cap.

-The C4 spike doesn't work either. It's too skinny. The punch (usually called a powder punch) makes a deep hole for the blasting cap to go into (after the safety fuse is crimped inside the cap). If it's too skinny, the hole will be too small in diameter. Yeah, C4 is soft and you can just open the hole to be bigger, but it shouldn't be necessary.

The real DET doesn't have these issues. So upon finding out the tool issued to use didn't work, most went back to the old M2 cap crimper for EOD chores and a Leatherman for daily chores.

From what I've seen, the DETs sold in the PX were real and only a few of the issued ones were fake. How many? I don't know. I saw at least three. Mine is around somewhere.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Gareth on June 03, 2015, 09:33:35 PM
How the heck would a batch of fake Gerbers get in the system?!!  Someone on the fiddle? :shrug:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: JNieporte on June 03, 2015, 10:19:03 PM
How the heck would a batch of fake Gerbers get in the system?!!  Someone on the fiddle? :shrug:

I've heard of some unsavory soldiers keeping equipment and then turning in broken, modified, or fake versions of that equipment. I've personally seen soldiers return in the civilian version of an item because they got mixed up at some point and the soldier didn't know the difference. Maybe a few of these "returns" got issued out as a real Gerber. I really don't think the government took delivery of fake Gerbers from a reputable source.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Zephon on August 13, 2015, 09:49:48 AM
Saw this item in a local online store.  Was tempted at first due to the novelty of it (I have a desk job -- quite far from EOD) and the low price.  Good thing I checked this page...heck, good think this page was "stickied" up for all to see.  Yeah, the item being sold was a fake, based on page 1 of this thread.

Good thing I didn't bite.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Gareth on August 13, 2015, 01:09:25 PM
Dan gets all the credit here but we're glad to have been some help. :)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Zephon on August 14, 2015, 06:59:58 AM
Not to throw things away from the MP600, but is there also a fake BG multitool?  Not too versed in the BG line so I can't say the model name, but it's the one that comes with a screwdriver bit set and it's a butterfly folder in black oxide. 
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Gareth on August 14, 2015, 11:38:45 AM
Don't know of any BG multitool fakes, but it should be noted that all of the BG multitools are rebranded versions of other Gerber tools, with a bit added to the price tag. ;)  Have a look at the Suspension and the Strata for the cheaper options.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Zephon on August 18, 2015, 02:21:29 AM
Found what I was looking for!  I guess it's not really a Suspension or a BG but something branded as such.  It's being sold as a Gerber in local online stores here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8etRnPnjv8
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: symphonyincminor on September 04, 2015, 02:20:54 PM
Found a rare and coveted (::)) fake stainless EOD on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gerber-Multi-Purpose-Combination-Stretching-Plier-Tools-Equipment-with-nylon-Bag-/361380190370?hash=item5423f018a2

I've only seem the black fakes show up. Might be good for a collector (I'm no advocate for straight-up knockoffs).

Over the past year, I was somehow able to get a black EOD version of the old non-locking original Multi-Pliers in my collection (it was branded under Carolina Knfe & Tool, with a current Gerber logo on the side). Never seen one pop up before, and it struck me as such a weird thing to copy and manufacture once I got it in my hands. I'll post some pics when I get a chance.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: gregozedobe on September 04, 2015, 03:46:26 PM
Found a rare and coveted (::)) fake stainless EOD on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gerber-Multi-Purpose-Combination-Stretching-Plier-Tools-Equipment-with-nylon-Bag-/361380190370?hash=item5423f018a2

I've only seem the black fakes show up. Might be good for a collector (I'm no advocate for straight-up knockoffs).

Seen it, and bid on it (but I guess I will now have more competition  ;) ) These turn up on fleabay every now and then.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: symphonyincminor on September 09, 2015, 03:15:54 PM
Quote from: gregozedobe
Seen it, and bid on it (but I guess I will now have more competition  ;) ) These turn up on fleabay every now and then.

Doh! Wouldn't have posted it if I knew you had a bead on it. I doubt it's go for much, so it should be in your collection shortly.... :)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: gregozedobe on September 10, 2015, 03:28:14 AM
Quote from: gregozedobe
Seen it, and bid on it (but I guess I will now have more competition  ;) ) These turn up on fleabay every now and then.

Doh! Wouldn't have posted it if I knew you had a bead on it. I doubt it's go for much, so it should be in your collection shortly.... :)

I'm not so sure, bidder c***c(65) is doing weird things (two highish bids in 3 days, both retracted soon after making them).  I guess I'll find out what's what when the auction ends .... ???
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: symphonyincminor on September 10, 2015, 07:52:08 PM
g***o ( 926)

Hopes that's you!!
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: gregozedobe on September 10, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
g***o ( 926)

Hopes that's you!!

Sure is  :D 

Now I just have to persuade the seller to change the listing so it will accept an Oz address so I can pay for it ???
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: symphonyincminor on September 11, 2015, 03:01:52 PM
Good score!

If you can't convince him, send me a PM and I can be a proxy ship address (I'm in the US).
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: gregozedobe on September 11, 2015, 03:23:03 PM
Good score!

If you can't convince him, send me a PM and I can be a proxy ship address (I'm in the US).

Thank you for the kind offer, but I managed to get there via a most convoluted method ( I had to pretend to buy something else of the same value that was available to Oz buyers).  As long as the correct tool gets here I guess all's well that ends well  ;)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: symphonyincminor on September 11, 2015, 09:21:26 PM
Thank you for the kind offer, but I managed to get there via a most convoluted method ( I had to pretend to buy something else of the same value that was available to Oz buyers).  As long as the correct tool gets here I guess all's well that ends well  ;)

Very cool - post a pic or 2 when it shows up!
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: gregozedobe on September 12, 2015, 02:22:03 AM
Very cool - post a pic or 2 when it shows up!
Sorry, I don't do pics (technologically challenged)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: parnass on October 05, 2015, 02:41:22 PM
This specimen appears to be fake (not my video).  The U.S.A. looks painted on the handle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8YL0ixe7O0
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: anon on October 12, 2015, 09:24:23 PM
I just ordered one of these I hope its legit.  :(
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: m47mu74nt on March 27, 2016, 07:13:06 PM
I came across a fake DET on a street market in France yesterday, 10€.
USA was laser engraved, and there was some stamped text on the opposite side (back, if you consider GERBER as front side). (can't remember what though, and i couldn't take pictures without buying it)
It looked 'quite' well made for the 10€ asked for, but some things didn't "look right" compared to my day-to-day MP400 BO.
First of all the pouch, cheap.
Then, the BO coating, looks like paint more than black oxide,
The blade, looks instantly as a cheap Chinese blade doesn't even close to what sharpness is...

I couldn't test it further but all i know is that now those fakes that seemed to be limited to web sellers here are now available in the streets?!? :rant: (at least that's the first time i saw one)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: ThePeacent on June 23, 2016, 05:13:55 PM
They are indeed becoming more and more easily available

(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/CAM01568_zpsp5oeqwow.jpg)

I've recently seen them pop in places they had never been before

(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/CAM01573_zpsexfuuxmh.jpg)

Out of curiosity I picked one myself for around 8 bucks, but I remain a fan, customer and loyal follower of Gerber, especially after handling the fake thing...

(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/CAM01570_zpso5flpjp9.jpg)
the locks are truly a crappy, crappy dangerous thing

(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/CAM01572_zpsrawavbhf.jpg)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: tango44 on October 12, 2017, 11:22:38 PM
Not sold as a Gerber, but check this out:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Outdoor-Portable-Stainless-Steel-Survival-Multi-Tool-Plier-Pocket-Carabiner-UATA-/391713122260?hash=item5b33ebe7d4:g:EEgAAOSwepJXVoss
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: AlephZero on October 14, 2017, 05:09:29 AM
Not sold as a Gerber, but check this out:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Outdoor-Portable-Stainless-Steel-Survival-Multi-Tool-Plier-Pocket-Carabiner-UATA-/391713122260?hash=item5b33ebe7d4:g:EEgAAOSwepJXVoss

Yup, those are on DealExtreme (and probably other sites) as well, utter smurfs! :rant:


:cheers:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: ddogu on November 23, 2017, 08:41:43 AM
This comparison and photos are a real life saver  :salute: Saved me from a lot of stress (also caused me a lot of stress lol, made me kinda paraniod before my purchase).
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: ThePeacent on November 23, 2017, 03:24:45 PM
since my pics have been killed by PHuckbucket I thought of re-uploading them for future members seeking for help here
my fake DET:

(https://i.imgur.com/3Z6RWaL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/w6yhlsT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/maQuAI6.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TFnskcW.jpg)

don't get fooled!!  :salute:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: ddogu on December 12, 2017, 09:09:56 AM
FYI, just spotted a fake one with "U.S.A." stamped, not printed. It had all the same remaining fake details, though (curved, not angular shape, allen-key screwes etc etc).
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 09, 2018, 04:08:51 PM
The DET knockoff I reviewed for my '$5 MT Challenge' has 'U.S.A.' stamped into it.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75224.0.html

What it DIDN'T have was the word 'Stainless' stamped just in front of the locking tabs on the handles, which the real MP600s DO have.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4683/38648991124_e0a61987e1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21ThbxW)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: ThePeacent on March 11, 2018, 05:47:59 PM
updating with some pics for further ID and size comparo

(https://i.imgur.com/j1EyjSt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nzRPoIU.jpg)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Sam Lim on March 11, 2018, 05:56:46 PM
updating with some pics for further ID and size comparo

(https://i.imgur.com/j1EyjSt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nzRPoIU.jpg)

Hey Tp, whats the one on the left in your last pic?
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: AlephZero on March 11, 2018, 07:41:38 PM
The DET knockoff I reviewed for my '$5 MT Challenge' has 'U.S.A.' stamped into it.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75224.0.html

What it DIDN'T have was the word 'Stainless' stamped just in front of the locking tabs on the handles, which the real MP600s DO have.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4683/38648991124_e0a61987e1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21ThbxW)

What I'm worried about is that they're getting better... That painted U.S.A. mark was easy to spot, but now since they are stamping it, it will be even harder to spot the fake :twak:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Sam Lim on March 14, 2018, 01:45:49 AM
The DET knockoff I reviewed for my '$5 MT Challenge' has 'U.S.A.' stamped into it.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75224.0.html

What it DIDN'T have was the word 'Stainless' stamped just in front of the locking tabs on the handles, which the real MP600s DO have.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4683/38648991124_e0a61987e1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21ThbxW)

What I'm worried about is that they're getting better... That painted U.S.A. mark was easy to spot, but now since they are stamping it, it will be even harder to spot the fake :twak:

I would think the finishing on the real and fake should be a dead give away. Fake are painted black,  real is black oxide coated.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: dks on March 14, 2018, 08:00:23 AM
It will be funny if at some point the copy becomes better than the original..
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: ThePeacent on March 14, 2018, 12:29:01 PM
updating with some pics for further ID and size comparo

(https://i.imgur.com/j1EyjSt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nzRPoIU.jpg)

Hey Tp, whats the one on the left in your last pic?

a fake Wave-style tool

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,46447.0.html
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: tekin112000 on March 19, 2018, 11:31:26 PM
Can someone help me determine if I bought a fake?

I bought an MP600 on ebay

Came in a "Gerber" box with instructions and leather sheath.

It looks real to me accept it doesn't have a "U.S.A." stamp just very small dark printed characters 087118M

Does anyone have a picture of a box for comparison?

The leather sheath has no markings on it of any kind.

Any info would be greatly appreciated

This is my first Gerber so I am not sure what to look for

Thank you
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Mechanickal on March 19, 2018, 11:53:28 PM
Can someone help me determine if I bought a fake?

I bought an MP600 on ebay

Came in a "Gerber" box with instructions and leather sheath.

It looks real to me accept it doesn't have a "U.S.A." stamp just very small dark printed characters 087118M

Does anyone have a picture of a box for comparison?

The leather sheath has no markings on it of any kind.

Any info would be greatly appreciated

This is my first Gerber so I am not sure what to look for

Thank you
Pics would be helpfull.

I'm not an expert though...
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: tekin112000 on March 20, 2018, 12:23:58 AM
Yep pictures are on the way
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: tekin112000 on March 20, 2018, 12:31:39 AM
I'm more confused than ever.

Here is a MP600 on ebay with similar markings and no stamped "USA"

Similar box too

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gerber-MP600-Multi-Tool-Multi-Plier-Blunt-Nose-Stainless-07500N-Brand-New/323132020980?epid=12011030304&hash=item4b3c2b58f4
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: tekin112000 on March 20, 2018, 01:29:45 AM
I checked some of the first posts of this thread for clues to finding a possible fake

The washers on my "MP600" seem pretty thin

(https://i.imgur.com/Ri3Hm2g.jpg)

However this side has no USA stamp

(https://i.imgur.com/sw7E8Ls.jpg)

This side looks OK to me

(https://i.imgur.com/CsFJb5P.jpg)

These are the characters

(https://i.imgur.com/rIVdNf3.jpg)

It does have the very finely stamped "stainless"

(https://i.imgur.com/pmL9vzi.jpg)

Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on March 20, 2018, 04:36:15 AM
Tekin, I thin you're fine. It's only the DET version of the Gerber that's being copied (as far as I know).

First, that looks like actual black oxide, instead of black paint. Second, that's a current MP600 plier head, with the replaceable cutters.

They've probably stopped stamping it USA because it's no longer USA made (or ALL USA made).

Also, the fakes come with nylon pouches. You said yours was Leather, right?

And for the record, the washers between tools on the legitimate Gerbers are very thin.

Hope this puts your mind at ease.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: tekin112000 on March 20, 2018, 02:25:25 PM
Thank you for responding Lynn.

Yes the sheath is a simple dark leather NOT nylon type fabric.

It's strangle that only DET models have shown up as fakes. I would think the more main stream regular MP600 would be the model fakers would choose to copy for widespread sales
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Mechanickal on March 20, 2018, 02:41:20 PM
Thank you for responding Lynn.

Yes the sheath is a simple dark leather NOT nylon type fabric.

It's strangle that only DET models have shown up as fakes. I would think the more main stream regular MP600 would be the model fakers would choose to copy for widespread sales
The DET will speak up to the military fans/collectors. Which is probably a larger group then multitool lovers.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: ThePeacent on March 20, 2018, 03:38:02 PM
I'll second everything that Lynn said,  ;)

and there are only fake DETs and BG tools around. No Chinese clone has ever had replaceable cutters, leather sheaths, and well in brief all the points that she brought up.  :salute:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: ChopperCharles on August 07, 2018, 07:44:38 PM
So wait, are there any real MP600s with that weird large awl and the goofy plier head? I thought *that* was the way to tell the fakes.

Charles.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Mechanickal on August 07, 2018, 10:01:26 PM
So wait, are there any real MP600s with that weird large awl and the goofy plier head? I thought *that* was the way to tell the fakes.

Charles.
Nope.
There are genuine ones.
Meant for military use.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: ChopperCharles on August 07, 2018, 10:19:10 PM
Gotcha. Rather a useless toolset for civilians IMO. My old MP600 with the replaceable jigsaw blade and the decent scissors is a better setup IMO.

Charles.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Mechanickal on August 07, 2018, 11:00:33 PM
Totaly agree!
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: ChopperCharles on August 29, 2018, 08:25:30 PM
So has anyone thought of grabbing one of the fakes, taking out that weird spear tool, turning it down in a lathe and pressing on a bit driver?

Charles.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: ThePeacent on August 30, 2018, 03:40:52 PM
So has anyone thought of grabbing one of the fakes, taking out that weird spear tool, turning it down in a lathe and pressing on a bit driver?

Charles.

well I thinned and ground mine down to a sharper point, stripped the paint and use it to crack and stab ice from my freezer, and to poke holes in cans and containers  :whistle: but the lock has failed twice on me, fortunately with no ill results  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: ChopperCharles on September 17, 2018, 08:55:14 PM
So I grabbed one of these for $11. And... it's pretty crap. Wire cutters don't cut anything, pivot feels like there's sand in it, tried out the bottle opener driver and it bent right away. It's very much crap compared to the MP600.

However, the larger flat driver is decent enough. In one of my MP600's the flat driver had snapped off. I put a saw in that tool, which left a large space, but not enough space for a replacement flat driver. Finding a replacement flat driver is impossible, especially in black, and the driver in this fake is thinner than the MP600 driver anyhow. So, in it went. I had to exclude a washer or two because it's all a tight fit, but I got an extra tool out of the deal and I'm quite happy.

The added benefit is the pivots are 4mm. I had to drill out the flat driver to fit the 5mm Gerber pivots, but I've been needing a reliable source for 4mm tool pivots for my modding. So... WOO!

AND, the clips that hold the sliding pliers on fit the Gerber perfectly.

Plus I'm going to use these handles as a test bed for drilling and tapping holes to use a different style of pocket clip.

So I'm happy for all the parts. The took is utter crap as a whole, but for $11 that was a good purchase for the flat driver, replacement clips, and the pivots.


Charles.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: JustinCase on May 28, 2019, 05:58:28 PM
Same price as the Ozark Trail multi tool selling at WalMart :popcorn: Not a bad replica of the D.E.T for less than 10 bucks. Good for parts.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13-In1-Portable-Outdoor-Survival-Stainless-Steel-Multi-Tool-Folding-Knives-Plier/143253815638?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D66bc33a140dc4e14b1e7bbc5ff969d2e%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D113616945502%26itm%3D143253815638&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: cody6268 on July 04, 2019, 09:39:35 PM
Someone just blew almost $40 on one.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gerber-Multi-Plier-600-DET-Black-Needle-Nose-Multi-Tool-MP600-MP-600-/113801862160?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l44720&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: gerleatherberman on August 06, 2019, 09:39:55 PM
I hope they realize it is a fake and get their money back. :facepalm:

Wonder how many people think MP600s  are junk, because of the fake DETs? :think:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: JustinCase on August 06, 2019, 10:59:34 PM
Maybe a collector? ::)..There are many "fake stuff" collectors out there. I know a guy who has all denomination fake US currency, Morgan Dollar coins, Breitling watches and even a Leatherman Wave and Charge and everything looks exactly like the authentic items. 
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: gerleatherberman on August 08, 2019, 04:46:26 AM
Interesting collection focus. I like a good rip-off tool, but don't actively collect them.  :ahhh

But, that said, those DET fakes can still be had all over the place for $10-$20 shipped, so that buyer got a bad deal. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Scorpion Regent on December 31, 2019, 07:30:06 PM
Thanks for the posting this Gerleatherberman it's important to know what you're buying.  I have see similar MP600 fakes on Ebay in the past.  Buyer beware. 
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: NewZona Rides on May 10, 2020, 03:09:03 AM
Does anyone know if the tool screws work from these fakes in the real Gerber tools. I snapped one off my Center Drive and need to replace it. I know the one from the MP600 is the same but I don't want to tear apart a good MP600 just to tale the screws I need.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Chako on June 14, 2020, 11:13:26 AM
I have no clue. I have never had to do it. Mind you, considering the obvious lack of quality that permeates the knock off throughout, I probably wouldn't suggest doing that if you are looking for something durable...if it fits in the first place.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: NewZona Rides on June 21, 2020, 08:34:06 AM
I suppose I should answer just in case someone ever has the same question I did. I purchased one and found that nothing is interchangeable except the plier head. Since no one would ever want to make that switch I would just say nothing will work on a real Gerber.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: master69420 on January 02, 2021, 10:06:44 PM
Does anyone know if the tool screws work from these fakes in the real Gerber tools. I snapped one off my Center Drive and need to replace it. I know the one from the MP600 is the same but I don't want to tear apart a good MP600 just to tale the screws I need.

DAmn it is sad though, you snap a screw and consider buying an entire fake tool because it is cheaper/easier than trying to get a replacement screw for the original. I wish Gerber would take this into account. Making a warranty claim to them is the slowest process.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: master69420 on January 02, 2021, 10:42:37 PM
Interesting. Think it's worthwhile to alert Gerber to this?

A few years ago the firearms accessory the Grip Pod became an item that was issued to certain US Military members, over the course of time poorly made Chinese clones managed to get into the supply system and cause problems for frontline troops. Being that the EOD tool is sometimes issued and used by US Military personnel it may be worth an email to let Gerber know so they can make sure their supply line doesn't get compromised.

The only way it gets into front line troops is when the troops steal the genuine items, sell them and then replace them with cheaper items so they don't get fined by the army for losing items. I think everyone involved is to blame a little. When I was in my ET tool (the thing we use to bury our poop with) got stolen by another soldier. It is impossible to prove but the army would have fined me about 100 bucks for that, so I went down and bought a cheap 20 dollar replacement. It never bothered me because I never went to the front line but it is hardly the copycat manufacturers fault that the tools end up there. It takes 4 parties to contribute, the manufacturer for making them, army for charing their troops to replace them, the soliders for stealing them and the victim soldiers for replacing them with counterfiets.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: DavisNikolov on May 21, 2021, 03:08:32 PM
Hi guys,
I was searching for used multitools on ebay, stumbled across a seller in EU with some auctions of leathermans and gerbers (which is great for me, I won't pay duties and taxes on that purchase). So I got a bit too exited and placed bids on a leatherman and four mp600s. And now I'm a bit nervous about the gerbers being fake. Could you take a look at his listings and tell me if his gerbers are legit ? They seem fine to me, but then again the only gerber I own is a splice so I'm not sure I'll recognize a decent copy even if I hold it in my hands.  Here is the link https://www.ebay.com/sch/tech-rec/m.html?item=114814803513&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/tech-rec/m.html?item=114814803513&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: AlephZero on May 22, 2021, 08:16:33 AM
Hi guys,
I was searching for used multitools on ebay, stumbled across a seller in EU with some auctions of leathermans and gerbers (which is great for me, I won't pay duties and taxes on that purchase). So I got a bit too exited and placed bids on a leatherman and four mp600s. And now I'm a bit nervous about the gerbers being fake. Could you take a look at his listings and tell me if his gerbers are legit ? They seem fine to me, but then again the only gerber I own is a splice so I'm not sure I'll recognize a decent copy even if I hold it in my hands.  Here is the link https://www.ebay.com/sch/tech-rec/m.html?item=114814803513&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/tech-rec/m.html?item=114814803513&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562)

As far as I can tell, all those MP600's look the real deal  :cheers:
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: DavisNikolov on May 22, 2021, 08:21:12 AM
As far as I can tell, all those MP600's look the real deal  :cheers:
Thank you, I red some about the differences myself and they seem to check out. Auctions end tonight, we'll see what ends up in my basket  :D
Edit : it ends tomorrow night
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: cody6268 on May 22, 2021, 04:15:33 PM
I noticed that Mack Trucks is now selling a fake DET with their name on it; called the "Dark Night" Multitool. Really does not make sense, given they have SAKs and LMs--the real deal.


https://www.mack-shop.com/eshop/p/3080/mack-dark-knight-multitool
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: m47mu74nt on May 26, 2021, 08:11:50 AM
Hi guys,
I was searching for used multitools on ebay, stumbled across a seller in EU with some auctions of leathermans and gerbers (which is great for me, I won't pay duties and taxes on that purchase). So I got a bit too exited and placed bids on a leatherman and four mp600s. And now I'm a bit nervous about the gerbers being fake. Could you take a look at his listings and tell me if his gerbers are legit ? They seem fine to me, but then again the only gerber I own is a splice so I'm not sure I'll recognize a decent copy even if I hold it in my hands.  Here is the link https://www.ebay.com/sch/tech-rec/m.html?item=114814803513&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/tech-rec/m.html?item=114814803513&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562)

That seller usually sells legitimate tools : I bought quite a lot of items from him in the last months (mostly MP600/400s and knives)
His Leathermans end up always too high for me though.
Only take care that some tools that "look" good at first on the pictures might not be properly working in the end (slightly bend tools or such cannot always be seen easily on pics)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: DavisNikolov on May 26, 2021, 09:47:01 AM
Thank you for the input. I didn't manage to get anything this time. Which reminded me why I only search for listings that have "buy now" price.
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: m47mu74nt on May 26, 2021, 04:24:22 PM
Thank you for the input. I didn't manage to get anything this time. Which reminded me why I only search for listings that have "buy now" price.

Just try to "snipe" ;) wait for the very last time to put the bid and you may be lucking sometimes :)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: DavisNikolov on May 27, 2021, 09:57:37 AM
 I know how the game is played, I just don't like it  :)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: m47mu74nt on May 27, 2021, 12:59:12 PM
I know how the game is played, I just don't like it  :)
Quite understandable :)
(although I do seek that little adrenaline rush at the end  >:D)
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 10, 2021, 12:37:02 AM
For what it's worth, I picked one of these up and the thing is absolute garbage.  Thankfully mine isn't even marked Gerber, which is a step in the right direction.  Now all we need is a fire in the factory that made it and we'll be set.

The tool sinks completely into the sheath, making it difficult to grab. 

The tool was completely covered in oil upon arrival, which is a surprise, as I don't think any iron was harmed in the making of this piece of crap.

The plier head slides like a water balloon on a bed of nails, but only if both were covered in gravel.

The tools are somehow both floppy and tight at the same time, which caused my fingers to contact the blade edge when trying to pull the tools out for a photo.

The blade is so sharp that I didn't feel the cut... because it didn't.  my soft flesh bounced off the serrations like they weren't even there.  This tool is so bad that I am, for the first time, disappointed to not be bleeding.

All in all, this knockoff is an absolute piece of smurf, and I have had some pretty smurfty tools in my time.  Need I remind you that I have a fake gold fake Tread?  Well, that's an improvement over this piece of crap.

Def
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: m47mu74nt on December 10, 2021, 12:58:33 PM
what a review !
any pics so we can have our eyes bleeding of despair?
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 11, 2021, 12:23:19 AM
what a review !
any pics so we can have our eyes bleeding of despair?

There are a couple here:

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,88214.msg2301708.html#msg2301708

Def
Title: Re: Gerber MP 600 D.E.T Fake.
Post by: m47mu74nt on December 18, 2021, 09:12:48 PM
thx !