Post by: MMR on February 05, 2019, 08:45:59 AM
Video will speak for itself.
https://youtu.be/iTNJLEV8CG8
Nothing says quality product like cardboard and rust straight out of the box.....Pretty shocking to be honest
I’ll be keeping an eye out for those orange cans of doom
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 09, 2019, 03:24:02 PM
Fram used to be the filter choice for a lot of people I know. That is some pretty scary stuff.
The argument could be made that perhaps the Fram warehouse is in an area (Louisiana or similar) with high humidity and moisture, which may have contributed to that rust, while the others may have been shipped from elsewhere. Unfortunately, since I live in one of the worst areas on the planet for rust, this is a seriously big deal for me, and I can pretty well guarantee that I won't ever see an orange filter in my Jeep.
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Post by: Chako on February 09, 2019, 05:35:45 PM
No longer....wow.
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Post by: gerleatherberman on February 09, 2019, 11:03:35 PM
I've always used Fram oil filters and cheap oil in my 2002 Ford Escape. 171,000 miles and the engine purrs like a kitten and doesn't burn or leak oil. :)
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Post by: MMR on February 10, 2019, 11:14:34 AM
I've never seen fram oil filters in my days as a mechanic, and I have worked in Norway and Sweden so I think Scandinavia is safe from those filters :cheers:
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I have seen them sold at “Biltema” a few years back.
Some independent garages put them on cars when they service them too
The times I have found someone carrying them in stock online; they seem to be pretty much the same price as none-OEM brands like; Wix, MANN etc. apart from maybe a €1 or 2
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Post by: MMR on February 10, 2019, 11:51:05 AM
Once the oil contacts the rust, it becomes a non-issue. The cardboard is just of the way it is manufactured. I don't think it is going to hurt the car. By all means, by the premium filters, but the budget filter is still fine for us high-pocket cheapskates. :woohoo:
I've always used Fram oil filters and cheap oil in my 2002 Ford Escape. 171,000 miles and the engine purrs like a kitten and doesn't burn or leak oil. :)
I wouldn’t want tiny particles of rust or cardboard running through my engine, I can imagine that cardboard would dissolve over time.
Especially on modern engines with VVTI and other modern gizmos that have tiny oil passages that would easily get clogged up. Maybe on an older engine this isn’t a problem, but take most modern European cars and they pretty much explode every time a dust particle gets anywhere near a sensor..
...well maybe not explode, but go into “limp mode” or shut down completely, leaving you stranded by the side of the road waiting for a tow truck for 6 hours..
...something Jaguar owners would be all too familiar with.
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Post by: RF52 on February 10, 2019, 04:44:57 PM
Interesting, thanks for enlightening me :cheers:I've never seen fram oil filters in my days as a mechanic, and I have worked in Norway and Sweden so I think Scandinavia is safe from those filters :cheers:
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I have seen them sold at “Biltema” a few years back.
Some independent garages put them on cars when they service them too
The times I have found someone carrying them in stock online; they seem to be pretty much the same price as none-OEM brands like; Wix, MANN etc. apart from maybe a €1 or 2
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Atleast now we know they are crap.
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Post by: gerleatherberman on February 10, 2019, 04:59:38 PM
I wouldn’t want tiny particles of rust or cardboard running through my engine, I can imagine that cardboard would dissolve over time.That makes sense. Thanks for the information, MMR! :cheers:
Especially on modern engines with VVTI and other modern gizmos that have tiny oil passages that would easily get clogged up. Maybe on an older engine this isn’t a problem, but take most modern European cars and they pretty much explode every time a dust particle gets anywhere near a sensor..
...well maybe not explode, but go into “limp mode” or shut down completely, leaving you stranded by the side of the road waiting for a tow truck for 6 hours..
...something Jaguar owners would be all too familiar with.
The 3.0 DuraTec, designed by Mazda and Ford, is a very robust design with few sensor limitations in place.
I've let the same oil gp twice the recommended service time before. :ahhh
Not bade for a 200hp compact SUV. :)
As long as the filter has the ability to trap it's own contaminants? :facepalm::iagree:
This is the idea. :cheers:
But, that said, if the motor has tiny tolerances(as MMR noted) it could be an issue in theory. :ahhh
Post by: MMR on February 10, 2019, 08:59:15 PM
I wouldn’t want tiny particles of rust or cardboard running through my engine, I can imagine that cardboard would dissolve over time.That makes sense. Thanks for the information, MMR! :cheers:
Especially on modern engines with VVTI and other modern gizmos that have tiny oil passages that would easily get clogged up. Maybe on an older engine this isn’t a problem, but take most modern European cars and they pretty much explode every time a dust particle gets anywhere near a sensor..
...well maybe not explode, but go into “limp mode” or shut down completely, leaving you stranded by the side of the road waiting for a tow truck for 6 hours..
...something Jaguar owners would be all too familiar with.
The 3.0 DuraTec, designed by Mazda and Ford, is a very robust design with few sensor limitations in place.
I've let the same oil gp twice the recommended service time before. :ahhh
Not bade for a 200hp compact SUV. :)As long as the filter has the ability to trap it's own contaminants? :facepalm::iagree:
This is the idea. :cheers:
But, that said, if the motor has tiny tolerances(as MMR noted) it could be an issue in theory. :ahhh
Funny thing; I went to both high school and collage in America and I worked there for a year too. When I wa working there I had a 2007 Ford Fusion 3.0 V6 AWD with that same Ford / Mazda V6 engine. It is quite a rev happy and torquey engine...extremely smooth as well
This was my baby:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190210/5b6987372570508a4e24df8cf4ccd13b.jpg)
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Post by: gerleatherberman on February 10, 2019, 09:42:11 PM
Those Fusions are quite rare these days. :ahhh
Post by: ThePeacent on February 11, 2019, 02:47:19 PM
Those Fusions are quite rare these days. :ahhh
(https://i.imgur.com/atNLk5s.jpg?1)
Post by: MMR on February 11, 2019, 02:58:10 PM
Very cool, MMR! :like:
Those Fusions are quite rare these days. :ahhh
Strange part is that the equivalent of an American Ford Fusion is sold as a Ford Mondeo here in Europe, and this odd looking thing is what they sold as a "Ford Fusion" here in Europe:
(https://parkers-images.bauersecure.com/pagefiles/197048/cut-out/600x400/fusion.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Fusion_(Europe)
I have had two Mondeos, one estate and one sedan, estate had the same V6 as we were talking about and the sedan had a 4cyl Turbo Diesel.
They are great cars, drive really nice and they are easy enough to do most maintenance on yourself, plus they are everywhere over here, so parts are widely available and they can be found pretty cheap too. :cheers:
Ford Mondeos look like this
1st gen (facelifted)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/2000_Ford_Mondeo_LX_1.8_Front.jpg/1024px-2000_Ford_Mondeo_LX_1.8_Front.jpg)
2nd Gen
(https://mm.pinnacledms.com/Image/GetImage.aspx?Width=400&Type=Used&ImageGuid=6ba6fb1c-fae5-4840-8cd9-bfeb5c28a30a&BackgroundColour=%230E6C9F&Tolerance=5&Quality=30)
3rd gen:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/2011_Ford_Mondeo_%28MC%29_LX_hatchback_%282015-07-14%29_01.jpg/1024px-2011_Ford_Mondeo_%28MC%29_LX_hatchback_%282015-07-14%29_01.jpg)
4th (and current) gen:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/2018_Ford_Mondeo_%28MD%29_Trend_liftback_%282018-11-22%29_01.jpg/1024px-2018_Ford_Mondeo_%28MD%29_Trend_liftback_%282018-11-22%29_01.jpg)
If I am not mistaken the 4th / Current gen mondeos are the same is the current US Ford Fusions, with the exception of having estate and diesel engine options? ...Don't you have the option of a AWD Turbo V6 in the US too?
Post by: gerleatherberman on February 11, 2019, 03:32:14 PM
There is the Titanium AMD Fusion, which seems to rank very well in the AWD categories. It looks like it is available with a 325hp V6. :ahhh
Thank you for the information, MMR. If I need a new car, the Mondeo(Fusion for me) would be in the running. :woohoo:
Post by: MMR on February 11, 2019, 03:41:44 PM
Sheeesh, wow, that Euro Fusion. :ahhh :(
There is the Titanium AMD Fusion, which seems to rank very well in the AWD categories. It looks like it is available with a 325hp V6. :ahhh
Thank you for the information, MMR. If I need a new car, the Mondeo(Fusion for me) would be in the running. :woohoo:
325HP Turbo V6 with AWD? :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
I hope they bring that over here....
...Even though I won't be able to afford a new one :-\ ...but the good thing about new cars is how fast they depreciate! ...so maybe there's hope after all :woohoo:
Post by: MMR on February 11, 2019, 03:57:41 PM
But both are no real big issues.
The blower motor is located below the glove box and is easy to replace yourself, If my memory serves me right; it's just held in with 4 screws (one in each corner) and you can find replacements on eBay for like 30 Dollars. So no big deal.
The motor mount problem can be solved altogether with a polyurethane motor mount, I had one from Steeda....this one here:
https://www.steeda.com/steeda-ford-fusion-engine-mount-06-12
It's 120 dollars and then the problem is solved once and for all.
It is possible to swap yourself, (I did mine myself) but it's can be a bit of a PITA because of the exhaust being in the way.
Other than that, they are pretty solid cars, as long as they have been maintained right ...so just like with every other used car, make sure you get one with a clean and documented service history :tu:
Post by: gerleatherberman on February 11, 2019, 05:54:02 PM
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