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Title: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 04, 2018, 12:27:47 AM
Another Challenge thread? What? Noooo! Why? Is this going to be any different than challenges of the past? YES IT IS.

Fellow members Nix and Wspeed, along with myself, have been ironing out a challenge plan for the newly released SOG PowerAccess Deluxe.
So, how is this different from any other MT challenge here on MT.o?
Nix has painstakingly created two checklists for the challenge. You can download the file for your Access version and print it out to complete it. If you cannot print it out, then copy/paste the text into a word document and complete it that way(then copy/paste the completed file to this thread on the last day of the challenge)The lists outline a few requirements for completing the SOG PowerAccess/Access Deluxe challenge(getting the prestigious badge for it too)
The purpose of the list is simple. This isn’t going to be a standard MT.o challenge, but rather a “common use” test to see if the SOG PowerAccess/Access Deluxe can make it. We don’t mean for you to run it over with your vehicle, use it as a hammer, or anything silly like that. The lists are basically just typical things a frequent MT user would/may use the tool for. Obviously the PowerAccess and PowerAccess Deluxe are quite different multitools. So, as a result, we decided two separate lists were necessary.
Whichever tool you decide to use must be the tool you work on the checklist with.

Along side of completing the tasks outlined in the checklists Nix created, we will need lots of photos(at least one a day) posted in this thread showing the tool in use(try taking the pictures of the thing on the list you are accomplishing for example). We would like to see as many "action" shots as possible. If you can, put that PowerAccess/Access Deluxe as much as possible! Beauty shots are nice as well, but if you can, please post an action shot with the beauty shot. :tu:
If you are working on something in the workshop and the screwdriver is within hand's reach, just get that PowerAccess/Access Deluxe out and see if it'll do the job.

The challenge starts June 1st! and is 30-days. To get the badge, you'll need to take a photo of each task you check off on the list. Example: AWL - "Use awl to drill a hole in leather or wood". All you need to do is take a picture of the hole you drill with the awl on the tool with the PowerAccess in the photo. :tu:

If you have any questions, we will answer them as soon as possible.
If you already have either the PowerAccess(MT.o MT of the Year 2017) or the PowerAccess Deluxe(the one that recently came out), then you're basically ready. If you don't have one yet, there are 28 days(from the time this thread was made) to get one and we would love to have as many people participate as possible!

To start the list of participants so far:
Quote
01 - Nix
02 - Wspeed
03 - gerleatherberman

Here are the two checklists(created by Nix) that I uploaded to Flickr. Please download the correct one for the tool you have, as the toolsets are slightly different on the regular and deluxe versions.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/982/27005264667_b0902be1e5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/H9n3kv)PowerAccess Standard (https://flic.kr/p/H9n3kv) by None (https://www.flickr.com/photos/alexkerhead/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/956/41156270364_6b649be47b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25GQDjm)PowerAccess Deluxe (https://flic.kr/p/25GQDjm) by None (https://www.flickr.com/photos/alexkerhead/), on Flickr

Nix and Wspeed! Thank you both for everything you did for this challenge! :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on May 04, 2018, 12:38:07 AM
This should be good!  :tu:

 :multi:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on May 04, 2018, 12:40:27 AM
I should add, if anyone wants a copy of the PDF file for one or both checklists, I will be happy to email the "Official" checklist to him or her.  (And Wspeed and G-man also have copies of the checklists.)

Multitool-on!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 04, 2018, 12:46:50 AM
I should add, if anyone wants a copy of the PDF file for one or both checklists, I will be happy to email the "Official" checklist to him or her.  (And Wspeed and G-man also have copies of the checklists.)

Multitool-on!  :cheers:
I felt like I had forgotten something! Thank you, Nix! :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Gareth on May 04, 2018, 09:28:00 AM
I'll be watching with interest. :popcorn:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Don Pablo on May 04, 2018, 10:04:33 AM
You have a number 4.  :tu: :like:
Will be using the power access I got in last years MTO anniversary party.  :salute:

01 - Nix
02 - Wspeed
03 - gerleatherberman
04 - Don Pablo
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ReamerPunch on May 04, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
So this particular badge requires specific actions and pictures to be taken? While all other 30-day badges do not?
That's odd.  :think:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: zoidberg on May 04, 2018, 12:18:45 PM
So this particular badge requires specific actions and pictures to be taken? While all other 30-day badges do not?
That's odd.  :think:

Not that odd. Challenges have varied in many different ways. What you make of it and how much fun you have is up to you.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 04, 2018, 12:20:06 PM
So this particular badge requires specific actions and pictures to be taken? While all other 30-day badges do not?
That's odd.  :think:
Hi RP we just wanted to do something slightly different
This is why we came up with a checklist
To complete this challenge you do have to finish the list
At least this way all the tools have to be used  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on May 04, 2018, 12:47:49 PM
it seems like it'll be a thorough testing method, "different" kind of challenge.  :like:
The checklist and tasks look very sensible and good to me. I'll follow with interest  :tu:

I also am curious about the first PE blade test... in my experience all my SOG multitool blades came shaving sharp from factory, some could easily cut circles on fine print paper  :ahhh!
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on May 04, 2018, 04:00:50 PM
So this particular badge requires specific actions and pictures to be taken? While all other 30-day badges do not?
That's odd.  :think:

You should have seen the checklist before it got revised.........
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 04, 2018, 04:03:42 PM
So this particular badge requires specific actions and pictures to be taken? While all other 30-day badges do not?
That's odd.  :think:

You should have seen the checklist before it got revised.........
I was looking forward to removing the neighbors spark plugs
From their car :rofl:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Don Pablo on May 04, 2018, 04:12:01 PM
So this particular badge requires specific actions and pictures to be taken? While all other 30-day badges do not?
That's odd.  :think:

You should have seen the checklist before it got revised.........
I was looking forward to removing the neighbors spark plugs
From their car :rofl:
And defusing a live bomb.  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 04, 2018, 04:13:45 PM
So this particular badge requires specific actions and pictures to be taken? While all other 30-day badges do not?
That's odd.  :think:

You should have seen the checklist before it got revised.........
I was looking forward to removing the neighbors spark plugs
From their car :rofl:
And defusing a live bomb.  :tu:
That’s a good one didn’t think of that  :think: :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 04, 2018, 05:16:07 PM
You have a number 4.  :tu: :like:
Will be using the power access I got in last years MTO anniversary party.  :salute:

01 - Nix
02 - Wspeed
03 - gerleatherberman
04 - Don Pablo
Nice to have you join us DP :cheers: :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 04, 2018, 05:17:30 PM
The list so far  :tu:

01 - Nix
02 - Wspeed
03 - gerleatherberman
04 - Don Pablo
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Don Pablo on May 04, 2018, 05:20:45 PM
You have a number 4.  :tu: :like:
Will be using the power access I got in last years MTO anniversary party.  :salute:

01 - Nix
02 - Wspeed
03 - gerleatherberman
04 - Don Pablo
Nice to have you join us DP :cheers: :like: :like:
It sounds like it will be a fun challenge!
:popcorn:

And call me Pabs, like before.  :cheers:  :D
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 04, 2018, 05:23:38 PM
You have a number 4.  :tu: :like:
Will be using the power access I got in last years MTO anniversary party.  :salute:

01 - Nix
02 - Wspeed
03 - gerleatherberman
04 - Don Pablo
Nice to have you join us DP :cheers: :like: :like:
It sounds like it will be a fun challenge!
:popcorn:

And call me Pabs, like before.  :cheers:  :D
Ok Pabs :tu:
Hope that we get lots of members for the challenge  :cheers: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on May 04, 2018, 05:23:56 PM
Glad to have you join us, Pabs!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Mechanickal on May 04, 2018, 05:25:09 PM
*Babs
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Mechanickal on May 04, 2018, 05:25:24 PM
:nothingtoadd:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on May 04, 2018, 05:30:44 PM
I'd also like to see a big group of MTo'ers join in here.

Nobody should be intimidated by the checklists, the 'tasks' are all fairly generic and are all the sorts of things you would normally use a tool for.  The idea is for people to learn something from the challenge and evaluate the two SOG's. Should be fairly easy and fun.

 :multi:

(I'd like to see mutlitool manufacturers sponsor challenges like this before releasing a product for sale to the public. A dozen MTo'ers could trouble shoot and make recommendations for prototype improvements in about 1 week. This place is crammed with knowledgeable, experienced, and creative people.)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Don Pablo on May 04, 2018, 05:34:42 PM
*Babs
::)
What about “Bibs” then?  :rofl:
Title: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: LoopCutter on May 04, 2018, 08:45:37 PM
Cool challenge idea.
I do not have or plan to a SOG Power Access.

May review the checklist and see if possible to complete with another SOG that I have. 
Paratool or ?


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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: LoopCutter on May 10, 2018, 08:36:09 PM
Did I kill this thread and challenge?

I hope not, if so it was unintentional. :(


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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on May 10, 2018, 08:41:07 PM
Did I kill this thread and challenge?

I hope not, if so it was unintentional. :(


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 :rofl:


No worries. Challenge is still going to take place.

And we're stoked.

Looks like Wspeed and I will get going on or around 15 June with our Power Access Deluxes......assuming he's gotten his replacement by then.

We still need a couple of intrepid souls to join us with their Power Access tools. Since a few of us are still a month out from starting, I think there is plenty of time for some members to pick up a SOG Power Access/Access Deluxe and sign on to this challenge.

 :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on May 10, 2018, 09:22:41 PM

Looks like Wspeed and I will get going on or around 15 June with our Power Access Deluxes......assuming he's gotten his replacement by then I need to pay better attention........


I won't be starting until sometime in June. I now think everybody else is starting 01 June or close thereto.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 11, 2018, 03:18:01 PM
Yes the challenge is still starting on the 1st of June  :tu:
And would love to see more members joining us
Sorry again for the mix up Nix  :facepalm: :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on May 11, 2018, 07:48:25 PM
I'm heading out on a road trip for a week and won't be around for a while. I will be taking the PAD with me for a little pre-challenge T&E. I'll let you know how it goes.  :multi:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 11, 2018, 07:52:00 PM
Have a safe trip Nix :cheers: :salute:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on May 11, 2018, 07:59:50 PM
Thanks, W. Will do my best.  :D  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 12, 2018, 02:35:53 AM
Have a safe trip Nix :cheers: :salute:
+1  :tu:

Yes the challenge is still starting on the 1st of June  :tu:
And would love to see more members joining us
Sorry again for the mix up Nix  :facepalm: :tu:

I'm looking forward to this challenge. Will be my first SOG challenge and first time being with only one of the newer SOG models.
Heck, I'll be happy, even if just four of us are brave enough to ride out 30 days solely using the PowerAccess/Access Deluxe.  :pok: = people sitting this one out.  :D
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 13, 2018, 05:34:35 AM
Access and Access Deluxe hangin' with the Pint. Previous gen SOGs in the background. :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 13, 2018, 06:56:25 PM
Excellent pic for comparing
the different models of SOG
Nice one GLBM  :cheers: :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 14, 2018, 01:06:16 AM
Excellent pic for comparing
the different models of SOG
Nice one GLBM  :cheers: :like: :like:
Thank you, W! :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 14, 2018, 09:15:29 PM
Got outside on my day off. :)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/979/41391771754_122d6b3a81_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/264DDF9)SOG PowerAccess and Pint (https://flic.kr/p/264DDF9) by None (https://www.flickr.com/photos/alexkerhead/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 14, 2018, 09:26:10 PM
Got outside on my day off. :)


Wow that PAD looks huge next to the PA :like: :like: :tu:
And what is that little SOG 
Is that the Pint :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 15, 2018, 12:22:12 AM
Got outside on my day off. :)


Wow that PAD looks huge next to the PA :like: :like: :tu:
And what is that little SOG 
Is that the Pint :tu:
Thank you, W! :cheers:
The PowerPint indeed. Last one in the set needed is the PowerLitre when I can get one. The Pint is pretty cool for what it is. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 15, 2018, 04:12:10 AM
So I have been gone a while but as some of you may know I am the MTO officer in charge of checking lists for completeness and such.

In my official capacity while reviewing your challenge list I noticed no mention of a C4 / TNT test?

Very disappointed.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 15, 2018, 05:25:37 AM
So I have been gone a while but as some of you may know I am the MTO officer in charge of checking lists for completeness and such.

In my official capacity while reviewing your challenge list I noticed no mention of a C4 / TNT test?

Very disappointed.
:rofl:
I've got a few bottle rockets. Maybe strap them to the PAD and see if it'll move a little.  :D

BTW. Now the FBI will be keeping tabs on the PowerAccess challenge thread.  :ahhh  :D
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 15, 2018, 12:26:54 PM
So I have been gone a while but as some of you may know I am the MTO officer in charge of checking lists for completeness and such.

In my official capacity while reviewing your challenge list I noticed no mention of a C4 / TNT test?

Very disappointed.
:rofl:
I've got a few bottle rockets. Maybe strap them to the PAD and see if it'll move a little.  :D

BTW. Now the FBI will be keeping tabs on the PowerAccess challenge thread.  :ahhh  :D
At least we destroyed the original list.  :rofl: :rofl: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on May 15, 2018, 08:32:51 PM
Just got mine  :mail:

So:

01 - Nix
02 - Wspeed
03 - gerleatherberman
04 - Don Pablo
05 - Dutch_Tooler
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 15, 2018, 08:35:10 PM
Excellent DT nice to have you joining us
How are you liking the PAD so far  :cheers: :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on May 15, 2018, 08:52:16 PM
Only fondled it a little and briefly looked at the tool complement. Pliers system seems well thought out, as well as the use of the available space overall. Some tools seem flimsy in comparison with e.g. LM, such as the can opener and knife blades. Also, the locking bar springs look adventurously underdesigned...   
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 15, 2018, 09:00:35 PM
That’s why it’s good to have this challenge
Hopefully we can see if the PAD will still
Be in one piece after 30 days of use  :cheers: :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 16, 2018, 12:38:28 AM
So I have been gone a while but as some of you may know I am the MTO officer in charge of checking lists for completeness and such.

In my official capacity while reviewing your challenge list I noticed no mention of a C4 / TNT test?

Very disappointed.
:rofl:
I've got a few bottle rockets. Maybe strap them to the PAD and see if it'll move a little.  :D

BTW. Now the FBI will be keeping tabs on the PowerAccess challenge thread.  :ahhh  :D

Let me see what i can work out.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 16, 2018, 02:40:45 AM
Used the caliper and found the implements to be notably less robust. Just as DT estimated. However, with that being said, the tools ARE shorter than a ST300's tools. So torsion failure should be SLIGHTLY reduced on the thinner shorter tools of the PAD.
Half a millimeter thinner blades and drivers compared to the ST300. The can openers are equal in thickness though. :tu:

First two pics are can opener and second two pics are plain blades.
Following post will be large flat head driver.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 16, 2018, 02:45:06 AM
The large flat driver.
Don't forget to grind down(or use a coarse sharpening stone perpendicular to the tip) the flat tip on the PAD large flat head driver to make the point much thicker/stronger. 0.3mm or 0.4mm of material removed should do the trick. :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on May 16, 2018, 09:07:00 AM
Thanks for the measurements gerleatherberman, hadn't taken a caliper to it yet. True, overall size of all blades and implements is more compact than I know for LMs of comparable size, but I put this down to the additional space needed in the SOG for the plier mechanism and the PAD does seem to optimise space use (and weight) more than comparable LMs generally do.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180516/21e41c353d8ceae1de3369237576444f.jpg)

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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 16, 2018, 09:22:17 AM
Thanks for the measurements gerleatherberman, hadn't taken a caliper to it yet. True, overall size of all blades and implements is more compact than I know for LMs of comparable size, but I put this down to the additional space needed in the SOG for the plier mechanism and the PAD does seem to optimise space use (and weight) more than comparable LMs generally do.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180516/21e41c353d8ceae1de3369237576444f.jpg)

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:cheers:
Nice picture and congrats on getting the PAD!
Indeed, the pliers and outside tools create compromises. I am just going to try and not over exert the tools if possible during the challenge. I really like the design and engineering aspects of the PAD though. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on May 16, 2018, 09:33:23 AM
Thanks :cheers:

One thing I like a lot already is the bit set and the possibilities on the PAD to use it, including the 90° lock stop on the stub for the bit driver extension.

Another is the sheath's Molle attachment that also permits horizontal carry on narrower belts...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180516/fc2a257bca34dfb3cb7a17bec62f1b38.jpg)

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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 16, 2018, 01:31:22 PM
Nicely done with the measurements GLBM 
And some great pics DT
Can’t wait to get my replacement PAD :mail:
It’s in Customs at Coventry at the moment  :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 17, 2018, 02:31:10 AM
Thanks :cheers:

One thing I like a lot already is the bit set and the possibilities on the PAD to use it, including the 90° lock stop on the stub for the bit driver extension.

Another is the sheath's Molle attachment that also permits horizontal carry on narrower belts...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180516/fc2a257bca34dfb3cb7a17bec62f1b38.jpg)

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:cheers:
The bit set appears to be very well made. Glad you mentioned that! Another good thing about the PAD. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 21, 2018, 02:11:08 AM
Getting ready for the upcoming challenge!
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/948/41341441735_5132d82892_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25ZcGjc)Trident Elite and PowerAccess Deluxe (https://flic.kr/p/25ZcGjc) by None (https://www.flickr.com/photos/alexkerhead/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 22, 2018, 04:13:04 PM
That’s a nice pic GLBM  :dd: :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 22, 2018, 05:08:44 PM
That’s a nice pic GLBM  :dd: :like: :like:
Thank you, W!  :cheers:

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 28, 2018, 04:08:49 AM
Everyone geared up for the challenge? Not long now. :ahhh :)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/878/41675307674_7d54ad7c04_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26uGR2u)PAD, Champ, and Exert (https://flic.kr/p/26uGR2u) by None (https://www.flickr.com/photos/alexkerhead/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Don Pablo on May 28, 2018, 10:08:03 AM
:popcorn:
Gonna start keeping it in my pocket now!
(http://i.imgur.com/6c2RJo5.jpg)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 28, 2018, 12:09:40 PM
Not long now  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on May 28, 2018, 12:38:40 PM
:popcorn:
Gonna start keeping it in my pocket now!
(http://i.imgur.com/6c2RJo5.jpg)

looks like an aggressive Mantis or other insect with the tools semi deployed  :like: :ahhh
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Don Pablo on May 28, 2018, 12:40:41 PM
 :rofl: :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on May 30, 2018, 08:10:05 AM
:popcorn:
Gonna start keeping it in my pocket now!
(http://i.imgur.com/6c2RJo5.jpg)

Did yours come with that pocket clip? Just curious - I'd probably carry it in the sheath anyway...
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Don Pablo on May 30, 2018, 08:17:44 AM
:popcorn:
Gonna start keeping it in my pocket now!
(http://i.imgur.com/6c2RJo5.jpg)

Did yours come with that pocket clip? Just curious - I'd probably carry it in the sheath anyway...
Yup, it did.  :)
And it’s a regular poweraccess, not a poweraccess deluxe.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ddogu on May 30, 2018, 08:36:03 AM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on May 30, 2018, 08:37:05 AM
:popcorn:
Gonna start keeping it in my pocket now!
(http://i.imgur.com/6c2RJo5.jpg)

Did yours come with that pocket clip? Just curious - I'd probably carry it in the sheath anyway...
Yup, it did.  :)
And it’s a regular poweraccess, not a poweraccess deluxe.
Oh, I see, thanks - I was just trying to imagine pocket-carrying a Deluxe. Not my preferred option because of the bulk.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 31, 2018, 02:44:10 PM
I hope everyone is ready for the Challenge tomorrow 
And Nix should be joining us on Wednesday to start the challenge

This will be my first 30 day Challenge
And I am looking forward to test the PAD
To see if it’s a good quality tool or not

Can’t wait to see what we can come up with
Good luck everyone that’s joining the challenge
And let’s have a awlsome time  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Don Pablo on May 31, 2018, 03:01:24 PM
 :salute:
Do we post the daily pics in this thread?
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 31, 2018, 03:13:27 PM
As far as I know yes Pabs  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 31, 2018, 10:24:14 PM
Hey y'all. This will be the official challenge thread. :tu:
W asked me which thread it would be. This one has the rules and checklists in it already, so we can use this one. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on May 31, 2018, 10:41:10 PM
Thanks GLBM  :cheers:
At least everyone now knows where to post for the challenge  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 01, 2018, 12:00:19 AM
You lads didn't think that Powernoodle would miss a PowerAccess Challenge, did you?

 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

01 - Nix
02 - Wspeed
03 - gerleatherberman
04 - Don Pablo
05 - Dutch_Tooler
06 - Powernoodle

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 01, 2018, 12:08:46 AM
You lads didn't think that Powernoodle would miss a PowerAccess Challenge, did you?

 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

01 - Nix
02 - Wspeed
03 - gerleatherberman
04 - Don Pablo
05 - Dutch_Tooler
06 - Powernoodle


Excellent Powernoodle nice to have you join us  :cheers:
Did you print a copy of the PA checklist that you need  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 01, 2018, 12:13:00 AM
I do, Sire.  Read to rock-n-roll.   :salute:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 01, 2018, 12:17:50 AM
I do, Sire.  Read to rock-n-roll.   :salute:
Nice one  :tu:
And have a good challenge  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 01, 2018, 02:12:46 AM
Welcome aboard, PN!
This should prove to be an interesting challenge to say the least. Doesn't seem like anyone has beat up on the PAD yet.
Well, that doesn't matter, since SIX of us are going to brave one of the latest frontiers of SOG design/engineering.  :multi:

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 01, 2018, 05:00:35 AM
Night before the 30 challenge. Removed and put away my "go-to" work gear and replaced it with the PAD, PAD sheath, and PAD bit set.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 01, 2018, 08:12:02 AM
Day 1

First, some introductory pics. I notice that the official SOG publications and a few users carry the bit holder in the side loop of the sheath. I've been playing around with some alternative carry methods and found that the sheath's main pocket actually holds both the bit holder and the tool. This helps reducing the movement the tool would otherwise have in the relatively generously proportioned main pocket, at the cost of slightly more bulk out of the plane of the belt. See the first three pics below, where I illustrate that the side loop, now free, can be used e.g. for a light. This one is an Ansmann Future T50F, LED, AA battery available over here but I am almost sure this is a licence-built and locally branded Chinese light of some sort. The side loop is probably large enough to also hold a 2-AA size Maglite or the like, if you can live with the bottom part sticking out below the sheath.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180601/13e770212043e32e5dfc374e199f3d76.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180601/424bc3fc4bc6258710579b68eb5cadcb.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180601/a1c14e47e5b604acb3c9d0b4cda1f643.jpg)


Now, for today's homework, I have sacrificed 1 leaf of office-supplied Post-It (pssst - don't tell the boss).
As you all know, these are rather thin. By holding the Post-It between thumb and index finger and applying the PE blade perpendicularly to the edge, close (but not too close) to the thumb, and making slight sawing movements, the PE blade effortlessly slices through the paper.
Let's see if it still does this at the end of the challenge (as instructed :salute:).

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180601/3e902c2d6dee4b34ba233efb2aa86f33.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180601/627947c145291d8fd0cf9ce6b31e3a6e.jpg)


Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 01, 2018, 09:06:02 AM
Day 1 - continued

Uh oh... that sheath... looking at it more carefully after only a few times opening/closing (apart from the slightly sloppy stitching) one can surmise that the hook-and-loop fastener (aka Velcro (TM)) is not going to last. The soft face is already detaching and becoming woolly, see second pic above. I have found at least 20 loops of the harder face, which had detached themselves, on my desk. This does not bode well.

I have seen that some people have added snaps to supplement weakened Velcro strips in other threads - might consider that...  :think:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 01, 2018, 12:19:09 PM
Day 1

The paper cutting test
It’s a very sharp blade and cut the A4 paper with no problems
I will be testing the blade more throughout the challenge
To see if it will still be sharp at the end of the 30 days

I am not liking the sheath at the moment as it’s to bulky for me
I think I would have to get a
pocket clip for my PAD at some point
But I will use the sheath for the Challenge
I might get used to it   :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 01, 2018, 01:49:18 PM
I like that sheath in that it has a side attachment for the light, I always carry my AAA/AA lights that way when possible, but the ideal setup for me would be a pocket on each side (like LM's sheaths, some of them), plus a button snap or button + velcro but not velcro alone. :salute:

(https://i.imgur.com/HWvGrhZ.jpg)

So like this one above from Leatherman but with a button, I do find that velcro lasts for short periods of time if you carry daily and gets gummed up, dirty and degraded quickly  >:(

Good luck with the challenge people!   :multi:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 01, 2018, 02:45:20 PM
Powernoodle Day 1

(https://i.imgur.com/1pPnAl0.jpg)
The paper cut test was about a 7/10 for me.  The blade seems sharp, but I was getting some tearing as well. 

First impression of the PowerAccess Deluxe is that its Chinese construction is apparent.  It has a somewhat cheapy feel to it, which is magnified a little due to the thinness of the main blade (edge to spine dimension) and other thin tools.  I think I could break off the main blade with my bare hands if I tried.  The tools can be accidentally deployed past 180 degrees if the lock does not engage, which lends to the cheap feel.  Deployment of the plier is smooth and what you come to expect from SOG, and the gear pivot is at the heart of the MT.  I like the real, 3D phillips driver with long shank. For me this is an important component which is lacking on the Wave, etc.  The saw is short and takes a good amount of effort to get through a 1" branch, but its far better than not having a saw with you.  The PowerAccess Deluxe has a stonewashed finish.  The PowerLock and PowerAssist series have a polished finish which may add a subjective level of quality to the MT, but this presumably would add to the cost.  And lets be honest - the file on the PAD is of low quality. The single-cut side is almost smooth and will not shape a fingernail.  The opposite and double-cut side is not much better.  But I'll try it on some PVC or other material and see how it goes.


(https://i.imgur.com/da8p6De.jpg)
Polished finish on the PowerAssist.

At $69.99 in the U.S., the PowerAccess Deluxe is priced about right relative to the competition, and you get what appears to be a decent sheath (have to keep an eye on the velcro) and the small driver set.  My lifestyle (working from a laptop at my kitchen table) does not require Torx bits on the belt, so I will mostly - though not exclusively -  carry the PAD in the vertical pocket of my usual 5.11 Taclite Pro pants without the sheath and driver set.  I can carry a full size MT in this manner without noticing it, because the pocket is high enough up the leg that the MT does not flop around. 

I own several SOG MTs, along with maybe a couple of dozen SOG folders and fixed blades, and am a fan of the company.  The Chinese construction, though not up to the competition, has never compromised function and I expect a good 30 days out of the PAD.


Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 01, 2018, 03:22:14 PM
Thanks powernoodle, this prompted me to take a closer look at the saw. Not sure this is intentional - there are what appear to be small curls of steel in places where some facets of each of the teeth meet. I have attempted to capture what I mean below. I have yet to test whether that impairs function.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180601/ccb9c6b3f39731eb447b72c4a9ec8329.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180601/fde4db602d8de814ac49f8d63b03c4d8.jpg)

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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Don Pablo on June 01, 2018, 03:24:01 PM
I believe things like that disappear the first time you use the saw?
I see them to a lesser extent with unused SAK saws.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 01, 2018, 03:34:18 PM
I just checked mine and it hasn’t got anything like that  :think:

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 01, 2018, 03:40:02 PM
Me neither, but I have used my PAD's saw as well.  I think that DT just got a sub-optimal grind job on his saw.

(https://i.imgur.com/Cj65LvV.jpg)
Note how the saw teeth on the PowerAssist Deluxe (left) are canted slightly toward the MT, whereas the teeth on the Swisstool Spirit (right) are not canted.  This configuration presumably makes the PAD cut only on the pull stroke, with the Spirit cutting in both directions.  Just a guess.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 01, 2018, 04:23:51 PM
Maybe mine did... let's see what happens after I've used the saw to down the tree in my back yard.

Jokes aside, saw and file (did I say file?) seem shortish...
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 01, 2018, 04:24:35 PM
I just want to make everyone aware
that when they are testing the cutters
On the pliers that they are only Soft Cutters
As you can see in the  pic
So personally I wouldn’t try to cut fencing etc..  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 01, 2018, 04:39:49 PM
Yeah, W, I saw that on the box yesterday when my PAD arrived.  Its a bummer when you ding up your cutters, especially when they can't be replaced.  In my view, any MT cutters "should" be able to take down hard wire (nail, fence), but that is not always the case.

The PowerLock has a hard wire cutter:   https://www.sogknives.com/powerlock.html
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Don Pablo on June 01, 2018, 04:55:34 PM
Is brass rod (under 3mm/ 1/8” ) considered “hard”?
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 01, 2018, 04:58:35 PM
I agree you should be able to cut a nail or a fence etc
But I don’t want to try it as it would not be covered under warranty
And this is my first SOG so don’t know how good they are  :think:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 01, 2018, 05:04:24 PM
Is brass rod (under 3mm/ 1/8” ) considered “hard”?
Not sure what SOG would class as hard wire  :think:
Would be nice to find out what they class as hard wire
I will give Chris@SOG a email  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 01, 2018, 05:14:16 PM
I have left Chris@SOG a email
So hopefully I will get a reply  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Don Pablo on June 01, 2018, 05:22:24 PM
 :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 01, 2018, 05:37:44 PM
I believe things like that disappear the first time you use the saw?
I see them to a lesser extent with unused SAK saws.
Yup - they did :tu: (had to help a little at the very tip by way of judicious application of an X-Acto blade).

Saw works OK but it's short. I think it could have been made a bit longer, there is about 9 or 10 mm spare space in the handle. Makes one wonder...
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 01, 2018, 05:59:53 PM
Since I have several SOG MTs, and am not worried about destroying this one, I used the PAD to cut a "10d" or "10 penny" cement-coated general carpentry/framing nail.  I had to apply a lot of pressure, so much that it hurt my hand and I had to glove up, but it cut the nail with no problem. The compound leverage pivot surely helped in this regard, and I consider it the best feature on any SOG MT.  I used the "hard wire" portion of the cutter, closest to the pivot, though SOG does not call it that.  No damage to the "soft wire cutter", and no deformation or loosening of the cutter/head/pivot.  [Edit:  see below; the PAD does have a hard wire cutter.]

A 10d nail is 9 gauge and 0.148" or 3.76 mm at the shank.

Why cement coated?  "Friction heat from driving the nail softens the cement coating and causes the nail to adhere to wood more firmly."  https://www.westlakehardware.com/frequently-asked-questions/what-is-the-advantage-of-cement-coated-nails/

So I say it passed this test.  My dynamic rating of the PowerAccess Deluxe went from 4/10 to 5/10.

(https://i.imgur.com/rKWjKoh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0hTwshL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QFZPeDo.jpg)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 01, 2018, 06:08:13 PM
Nice one powernoodle :cheers:
I thought you had damage to the pliers  :ahhh
But checked my PAD and it has the same cut out near the pivot
Never noticed that before, I take it that’s the hard wire cutter  :think:

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 01, 2018, 06:15:29 PM
On the website, it shows that the PowerAccess Deluxe has a soft and a hard wire cutter.  Scroll down to the specs table.  So it looks like the box just doesn't set out all of the specifications.

https://www.sogknives.com/poweraccess-deluxe.html
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 01, 2018, 06:26:17 PM
Excellent find powernoodle  :cheers:

This is from the SOG website

TOOL COUNT: 21

 1 1/4" Driver
 2 Awl
 3 Blade (Fully Serrated)
 4 Blade (Straight Edge)
 5 Bottle Opener
 6 Can Opener
 7 Chisel
 8 File (3-Sided)
 9 Flat Screwdriver (Medium)
10 Flat Screwdriver (Small)
11 Gripper
12 Hex Bit Driver (1/4")
13 Hex Bit Kit
14 Jewelry Driver
15 Needle Nose Pliers
16 Phillips Screwdriver
17 Protractor
18 Ruler
19 Wire Cutter (Hard)
20 Wire Cutter (Soft)
21 Wood Saw
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 01, 2018, 06:38:04 PM
The box also shows a wire crimper (see #18 in post 86), that is not shown on the website.  Intrigue! 
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 01, 2018, 06:50:20 PM
The box also shows a wire crimper (see #18 in post 86), that is not shown on the website.  Intrigue! 
Excellent  :rofl: :rofl:
Check out the pic to see what we are talking about
I don’t know what to say  ???
I just can’t work out why they did that  :think:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 01, 2018, 07:05:13 PM
PE blade on a4 was mediocre. Not as sharp as their dedicated knives. I suspected it wouldn't be very good from just feeling the edge.
SE blade did exactly what I expected. Tore the paper most of the time.

Disassembled a typewrite for repair work and used the jeweler's driver to remove key set screws. No issue there.

Nice to see the cutters work correctly. I am hesitant to cut nails with MT cutters. Galvanized bailing wire is usually the the hardest thing I cut with MT cutters.
Thank you for doing that, PN. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 01, 2018, 07:09:45 PM
The PE Blade is really sharp on my PAD
I can even shave hairs off my forearm  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Don Pablo on June 02, 2018, 12:49:24 AM
Day 1
I was able to cut post-it note paper with the PE blade on my Poweraccess, but it required light-medium sawing motion and sometimes ripped the paper. I should probably sharpen it.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 02, 2018, 12:55:10 AM
I stropped mine on leather and it helped a bit. Maybe it is similar to the saw issue DT had, where excess metal exists from the machining process. I should have checked under magnification first, but maybe you can Pablo? Just to see if there is a burr on the apex.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 02, 2018, 10:23:55 AM
At least that issue I have not found on my PE blade even under mag. There may be differences in QC...

Meanwhile we're on

Day 2

... where the PAD sees itself detailed to light gardening duties :salute:

But first, a beauty shot. The roses are doing really well this sprummer.

Next are various stray branches succumbing to the forceful action of the wire cutter and saw, respectively. The former's compund leverage made short work of the admittedly thin branch, and it can easily accommodate slightly thicker branches (up to wire cutter blade width, I guess). For thicker branches the latter does a good job, but sawable thickness is a tad limited due to its shortness. I suspect SOG have decided to forgo lengthening the PA saw just for the PAD, but unless Chris chimes in, I guess this will remain speculation.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180602/572268417c4b647b650685b353d7163b.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180602/0d86c50e10a33fa52af7aa6d470f017f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180602/3ac57d4573140aa499119e73631196f8.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180602/bf92a5648cb877cf526372b4e557ce75.jpg)

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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 02, 2018, 11:44:13 AM
Powernoodle Day 2

(https://i.imgur.com/w0jvxEH.jpg)
The PowerAccess Deluxe rides easily in the vertical pocket of 5.11 Taclite Pro pants.


https://tacticalgear.com/511-taclite-pro-pants-coyote-brown?hp=y&gclid=Cj0KCQjwgMnYBRDRARIsANC2dfkvWSJlzamvIrKrmJtqfcBkBiUOrMCTaNeaqfXFxz_p1ZxqhC8m0LEaAnH3EALw_wcB#/14380/687,2332/1&dl=b
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 02, 2018, 12:21:47 PM
Day 2
As everyone was talking about the saw yesterday
I used the saw in the woods to cut a ivy vine as
These are killing our trees
I found one that was nearly 65mm / 2.5 inches
I would say that that is it’s limit
I don’t know why the saw is so short ?
Apart from that it is nice and sharp and cuts good :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 02, 2018, 02:26:55 PM
you are all doing very good so far!  :salute:  I agree that the tool has some issues but can't say I'm surprised given SOG's new strategies and direction, hopefully the tool will get to the end of all your challenges!  :tu:

As for the wire cutters, the SOG has a hard wire cutter but I managed to dent my Powerlock cutting braided wire (relatively thin, 5 strands).

(https://i.imgur.com/rnT6lch.jpg)

 I cut it with lots of effort, and while I originally placed the wire in the hard cutting notch it must've slipped out of it because it was too large for the notch, this I dented the normal softer cutting area  :facepalm:

(https://i.imgur.com/tTCbND3.jpg)

Now I admit I should've been more careful but I really wasn't expecting that
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 02, 2018, 02:30:11 PM
That’s a shame TP :ahhh :ahhh
Have you got a pic of the braided wire you cut  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 02, 2018, 02:44:51 PM
+1!

Side note on the protractor: on my PAD it is almost useless. From eyeball estimates I conclude the indices on the "30/60/180°" sides are off by tens of degrees and the indices do not align with the index on the handle, probably due to misprinting of the indices and/or misdrilling of the hole by which each hinge plate is fixed to the pivots. The "45/90/180°" sides are a bit better. When one index is at the 45° mark the other one is at 30°...  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 02, 2018, 08:15:02 PM
These - or similar - are the only hard wire cutters I trust not to deform.  I'm almost surprised when MT cutters don't deform.  They just are not made to the same hardness and precision as the real thing.

https://smile.amazon.com/Knipex-7401180-Leverage-Diagonal-Cutters/dp/B000X4OFTA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1527963171&sr=8-2&keywords=knipex+hard+wire+cutter
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 02, 2018, 08:26:23 PM
Day 2. Tried the saw out on some 1" dowels.  The shape of the saw was good for this type of cutting. Not too difficult to push and pull, with the most cutting done on the pull stroke. It does remove material on the push as well, just not nearly as much.
The large teeth didn't try to clog at any point cutting six of the dowel lengths. On the flip side, the large teeth can(and did) cause hand fatigue rather quickly. :ahhh
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 02, 2018, 09:25:15 PM
Nice start, guys. Eager to join you in a couple of days!


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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 02, 2018, 09:33:16 PM
Thanks Nix  :cheers:
Have a safe trip and can’t wait to have you joining us :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 03, 2018, 12:04:54 PM
Powernoodle Day 3

(https://i.imgur.com/9gJ70cO.jpg)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 03, 2018, 12:39:12 PM
Day 3

Today I had to adjust the fan in the downstairs toilet
It stays on for 30 minutes after you leave the toilet
Which is to long  :ahhh
So today I used the jewellers driver
to turn the adjuster down to 10 minutes
The length of the driver helped as the adjuster is set far back in the fan :tu:
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Post by: powernoodle on June 03, 2018, 01:21:49 PM
the fan in the downstairs toilet
It stays on for 30 minutes after you leave the toilet
Which is too long  :ahhh

If you've ever had some of ThePeacent's cabbage and jalapeno casserole, you'll know that sometimes 30 minutes isn't enough. 
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 03, 2018, 01:30:08 PM
the fan in the downstairs toilet
It stays on for 30 minutes after you leave the toilet
Which is too long  :ahhh

If you've ever had some of ThePeacent's cabbage and jalapeno casserole, you'll know that sometimes 30 minutes isn't enough. 
Good one  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :like:
I don’t think any fan would
be strong enough for TPs toilet  :rofl: :D
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Post by: powernoodle on June 03, 2018, 02:03:41 PM
Nothing person, TP.  Its that incredible Spanish cuisine.   :drool:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 03, 2018, 03:08:15 PM
Day 3

From the bathroom to a bedroom. Door handle retainer plate was reported loose. PAD to the rescue. The medium screwdriver on the cap lifter's end is not bad at all, sits well in the screw head slot.

Later tonight I shall use the cap lifter for its intended purpose :cheers:

Come to think of it, or rather of the can opener: I don't think I have any old-fashioned cans anymore, only those with quick-pull tabs... :facepalm:

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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 03, 2018, 03:11:51 PM
I have the same problem with bottles
Most of them now have screw tops
And not the old cap lifter anymore  :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 03, 2018, 04:38:37 PM
Back to the short saw... I've found a spare ST300 saw in my parts bin which is making me think... :think:

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Edit: and the file, too. The ST300's file is both longer and better than the one on the PAD. Hmmm...

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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 03, 2018, 04:45:30 PM
Back to the short saw... I've found a spare ST300 saw in my parts bin which is making me think... :think:


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That looks a lot more usable D_T :like: :like:
Have you got a spare file as well
As that could make the PAD more useful  :tu:
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Post by: powernoodle on June 03, 2018, 06:26:30 PM
Early pros and cons for me, subject to change:

Pros

- compound leverage pivot is one of the best features on any MT; I knew that a long time ago
- outside opening tools for quick deployment
- real 3D phillips with adequate reach
- it has a saw
- 1/4" driver
- hard wire cutter ate a 10d nail with no problem

Cons

- overall cheap feel
- flimsy main blade; a longer saw could have been used
- tools can accidentally deploy past 180 degrees; no big deal, but not a sign of tight engineering and quality
- file appears to be almost non-functional, but more data is required.  Did SOG think we wouldn't notice?
- jewelry driver, can open and cap lifter are unnecessary; space could have been used for scissors
-  phillips shank is offset which limits reach in countersunk holes

Current Powernoodle Dynamic Assessment Rating ("CPDAR"):  5/10
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 03, 2018, 06:50:10 PM
Cap lifter lifts caps. Had to apply it a second time though, the first time the hook slipped out from under the cap. Operator error can be excluded, it's only my first :D

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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 03, 2018, 09:59:53 PM
That’s a shame TP :ahhh :ahhh
Have you got a pic of the braided wire you cut  :tu:

well, actually yes I have.  :D After all the drama to cut that d*rn wire I sure was going to keep it  :angel:
Next to a Rambler and Spirit for size reference, is just what I had laying on the table
  :salute:

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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 03, 2018, 10:21:47 PM
That’s a shame TP :ahhh :ahhh
Have you got a pic of the braided wire you cut  :tu:

well, actually yes I have.  :D After all the drama to cut that d*rn wire I sure was going to keep it  :angel:
Next to a Rambler and Spirit for size reference, is just what I had laying on the table
  :salute:

Thanks TP  :cheers:
You would think that it is ok to cut wire  :think:
Are you going to send it to SOG for warranty  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 03, 2018, 10:51:37 PM
I've been doing outside work today (95 F out and humid) and haven't gotten a chance to use the pad yet, but will be working on something different in a bit and shall use it then. :)

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 04, 2018, 02:01:09 AM
I've bought three packs of these hangers for hammers and mallets($1 for five) so far. Now I have them everywhere to keep from laying hammers on stuff that could get damaged.
Putting another one on the table utilized the awl and dedicated phillips driver. The awl was very good at drilling the hardwood. The phillips driver did what it was supposed to do and screwed in the #1 3/8" wood screws with normal applied force.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 04, 2018, 03:25:35 AM
I would like to mention something about SOG saws. They have been shorter than they could have made them since the PowerPlier(with exception of the PowerPlay and Paratool?).

Even my beloved PowerLock has a comically short saw. However, with that being said, the "whispy"(for lack of a better word) PE/SE blades are longer, so they did fix two of the four "shorter" tools that have plagued SOGs older designs, even though they are not likely to be as robust.
I am not sure what to say about the PAD file. Is it some kind of MT hipster irony that it is so bad? The PowerLock file(round and flat versions) are very acceptable.
Comparison pics:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 04, 2018, 06:27:16 AM
 :oops:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 04, 2018, 08:25:55 AM
Day 4

The awl is pretty good. My belt's inability to hold up my trousers had been bothering me for a few days already (crikey, have I lost weight?) and I decided to put the PAD's awl to the test on the sturdy leather. No major problems there.

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Edit:
Now, regarding that file...

:rant:
I have taken a somewhat closer look at the file and I think a case can be made for the manufacturer having committed an act of felony.

I am serious.

The manufacturer declares this tool as a file.

According to all definitions I know, a file has teeth.
See e.g. Wikipedia: "A file is a tool used to remove fine amounts of material from a workpiece. It is common in woodworking, metalworking, and other similar trade and hobby tasks. Most are hand tools, made of a case hardened steel bar of rectangular, square, triangular, or round cross-section, with one or more surfaces cut with sharp, generally parallel teeth" (emphasis added).

In metal- and woodworking, a tooth on a tool has a triangular shape and is characterised by having more or less slanted sides and an apex.

I have taken a magnifying glass to the so-called "file" and confirmed my initial assessment that whatever this file has, it does not include teeth. The ridges left over after applying the shallow parallel incisions are generally flat-topped and fail to produce the required apex. Therefore, no teeth are present. Therefore the "file" is not a file.

I have also compared the PAD's flat piece of metal with shallow grooves with real files as found on Victorinox and Leatherman products, which can be said to be the leading manufacturers each in their own aspect of the multitool business. All these files have teeth, and therefore one can say that these represent the state of the art, even in the multitool business. By declaring said flat piece of metal with shallow grooves to be a file, in the knowledge that even in the multitool business, a file is generally known as having teeth, and therefore must be presumed to have teeth, SOG are misrepresenting their product and thereby cheating (swindling, deceiving, defrauding?) the client.

Now, being in Europe, even if I wanted to, I can't (yet) start a class action suit, but maybe one of our interested members in the US can?

Anyway, rant over, just wanted to get this off my chest, take it as you will.



Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 04, 2018, 09:17:08 AM
DT,
Unfortunately for anyone interested in filing(lol) a CAL, the case can be made and proven, we knew before buying the PADs/PAs that the file would be garbage. Plus, if you rub the file on soft material very hard, it will remove material....Technically...
SOG SHOULD offer to make and send out correctly machined files for anyone willing to pop one in their PAD. I wouldn't pay the shipping and/or wait for weeks to let SOG do it. The damn thing was too expensive to start with. :facepalm:

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 04, 2018, 10:08:20 AM
DT,
Unfortunately [...] we knew before buying the PADs/PAs that the file would be garbage. Plus, if you rub the file on soft material very hard, it will remove material....Technically...
SOG SHOULD offer to make and send out correctly machined files for anyone willing to pop one in their PAD. I wouldn't pay the shipping and/or wait for weeks to let SOG do it. The damn thing was too expensive to start with. :facepalm:

Thanks GLBM... well, technically I had no idea the file would not even be a file, even if news had not been encouraging to start with...

The fact that material is removed when you apply the "file" does not actually count. I guess the only, minimal, scraping action is due to the edges where the sides of the grooves meets the top surface not being entirely clean, due to sloppy application of the cut. That does not make it a file.

Anyhow, I agree, I'd settle for a proper replacement file for free too, no problem.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 04, 2018, 12:10:16 PM
Powernoodle Day 4

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The saw is short, but adequate.  Most of the cutting is accomplished on the pull stroke.

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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 04, 2018, 02:17:41 PM
Day 4

Today I was working on my daughters old
mountain bike as it’s to small for her now
So it’s time to sell the bike  :tu:

The seat is on the highest level it can go
So I had to put the seat back down

I used the bolt grippers to undo the nut
Than pushed the seat back down
And tightened the nut back up with the bolt grippers

On the last pic you can see the pliers
after use and no damage to the teeth

I am very impressed with the pliers so far
As I was expecting to see some marks on the pliers  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 04, 2018, 03:39:27 PM
I am very impressed with the pliers so far

Me too.  The pliers/cutter/compound leverage is far and away the best part of this MT.  It equals or exceeds the utility of the competition.  The only improvement might be the addition of replaceable cutters.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 04, 2018, 03:44:44 PM
I am very impressed with the pliers so far

Me too.  The pliers/cutter/compound leverage is far and away the best part of this MT.  It equals or exceeds the utility of the competition.  The only improvement might be the addition of replaceable cutters.
That would be nice, as long as they don’t become weak :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 04, 2018, 03:47:26 PM
Yeah, many folks prefer the non-replaceable cutters on the Gerbers, for example, as being less prone to fracture than the replaceable cutters.  I would prolly rather deal with the replaceable flavor than ding up the non-replaceable version and have to file it out.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 04, 2018, 03:55:35 PM
As long as they make them stronger than I wouldn’t mind  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 04, 2018, 04:26:50 PM
I am very impressed with the pliers so far

Me too.  The pliers/cutter/compound leverage is far and away the best part of this MT.  It equals or exceeds the utility of the competition.  The only improvement might be the addition of replaceable cutters.

some argue that with the added leverage and gripping power the cutters would be easily broken off and abused  :ahhh

Yeah, many folks prefer the non-replaceable cutters on the Gerbers, for example, as being less prone to fracture than the replaceable cutters.

I do. Gerber's carbide cutters are like SOG's newer files, that is, cr*p  :rant:

That’s a shame TP :ahhh :ahhh
Have you got a pic of the braided wire you cut  :tu:

well, actually yes I have.  :D After all the drama to cut that d*rn wire I sure was going to keep it  :angel:
Next to a Rambler and Spirit for size reference, is just what I had laying on the table
  :salute:

Thanks TP  :cheers:
You would think that it is ok to cut wire  :think:
Are you going to send it to SOG for warranty  :tu:

no unfortunately not,
SOG hasn't been very friendly or open to sending things overseas to me in previous comms, even through European dealers and for a price  :P  so warranty repairs are completely off the table  :oops:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 04, 2018, 07:06:26 PM
Chris@SOG got back to me today
To say that he will ask the engineers
What they class as soft wire and hard wire
And will get back to me

I emailed Chris back and mentioned about the
file quality. As soon as I get a email
I will let you all know what he said :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 04, 2018, 08:12:36 PM
:tu: :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 04, 2018, 09:08:14 PM
A thought on the finish, which seems to be subject to some criticism...
Of course polished or BO would be nicer. However, one can say that the current kind of matte finish has some advantages as well - it's less slippery than polished steel and less prone to reflecting light, so less conspicuous (if you want to be covert) while still being light-coloured enough to find if dropped in the underbrush (unlike BO). Just my 2 €c...
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 04, 2018, 09:16:53 PM
I like the finish of the PAD
It’s something a bit different  :cheers:
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 04, 2018, 09:32:06 PM
Old grill is falling apart. Temporary fix: new bolts. I'll add washers and cut the excess off when I don't feel lazy.
The PAD pliers did well on these small-medium nuts/bolts.
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Post by: powernoodle on June 05, 2018, 01:20:39 AM
I like the finish of the PAD

If I really liked the PAD, I would probably really like the stonewashed finish.  But as I pretty much dislike the PAD, it stinks up what I think about the finish.

Current Powernoodle Dynamic Assessment Rating ("CPDAR"):  4/10
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 05, 2018, 07:55:29 AM
Day 5

Loose car floor mat re-tightened with the large flat screwdriver bit in the integral bit grip. Nice thought to add a magnet so as not to lose the bit should you accidentally release the grip.

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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 05, 2018, 12:22:27 PM
Got a email from Chris@SOG and this is what he wrote

I don’t have a good answer for you on the file. I’ve alerted Engineering and hopefully that will address the issue.

Here is the answer I got from one of our engineers

As a general rule, if it is non-structural (or not intended to sustain mechanical loads) it is soft wire. One example is copper electrical wire with plastic insulation. If it deoes sustain mechanical loads it is hard wire. Example chicken wire.

Hopefully this helps out.

 
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Post by: powernoodle on June 05, 2018, 12:33:56 PM
Powernoodle Day 5

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The "file" on the PowerAccess Deluxe is so poorly made as to be virtually non-functional.  It would not smooth out the rough spots on this plastic outdoor garbage bin.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 05, 2018, 12:51:22 PM
I like the finish of the PAD

If I really liked the PAD, I would probably really like the stonewashed finish.  But as I pretty much dislike the PAD, it stinks up what I think about the finish.

Current Powernoodle Dynamic Assessment Rating ("CPDAR"):  4/10
I take it you don’t like the PAD then powernoodle  :think:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 05, 2018, 01:07:01 PM
Got a email from Chris@SOG and this is what he wrote

I don’t have a good answer for you on the file. I’ve alerted Engineering and hopefully that will address the issue.

Here is the answer I got from one of our engineers

As a general rule, if it is non-structural (or not intended to sustain mechanical loads) it is soft wire. One example is copper electrical wire with plastic insulation. If it deoes sustain mechanical loads it is hard wire. Example chicken wire.

Hopefully this helps out.

 

Thanks Wspeed... a bit noncommittal on the file, that answer  :think:


Powernoodle Day 5

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The "file" on the PowerAccess Deluxe is so poorly made as to be virtually non-functional.  It would not smooth out the rough spots on this plastic outdoor garbage bin.


I am not surprised, you won't be surprised to hear. It confirms what I surmised above based on my visual inspection and comparison with real files... The grooves are too shallow and narrow to form actual teeth between them, as should be the case for any file that deserves the name.

Note: the challenge checklist mentions "Find an imaginative use for this tool", as if the authors were somewhat hesitant to use the name bestowed upon it by SOG >:D
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 05, 2018, 01:46:00 PM
Yes not the answer we wanted about the file  :ahhh
But if someone is going to take this seriously
We might get better tools in the future
And I could still get a reply back from Chris
Ones they have had a look at the file  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 05, 2018, 01:57:20 PM
Day 5

Today the light in the bathroom gave up
So a good opportunity to test the Philips driver
As the bit set is to short to reach the screws

No real problems but the Philips driver would
of been better if it didn’t have that weird shape
A straight driver would of been better

I had to order in that stupid light
As no one around here had one in stock  :rant:
So as soon as it turns up I will finish the job  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 05, 2018, 03:30:03 PM
I take it you don’t like the PAD then powernoodle  :think:

I do not, and am going to return the PAD to Amazon.  I would keep the PAD if it were just a mediocre MT.  But I just feel that SOG has punked me by putting that thing on there that they call a file, when they know full well that it doesn't work.  So I'm returning the PAD largely because I don't like being treated like a knucklehead.

Unfortunately, this means that I will drop out of the Challenge.  I hate to abandon my comrades, but we don't know how these Challenges will turn out until we try.  This is my first failure to complete a Challenge, but the return period on the MT is before the end of the Challenge so its now or never.   I'll continue to watch and participate in some way, and maybe carry another SOG for the remainder as a small show of unity with the downtrodden.

I'm still a fan of the PowerLock and PowerAssist, though this experience has diminished my opinion of SOG as a maker.

Powernoodle Rating:  not recommended.

Onward and upward!

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The files on the PowerAssist and PowerLock are not awesome, but they do work.  The Gerber MP600 and ST300 have aggressive files.


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Today's EDC.  The orange Manly Wasp folder is an example of how to produce a superior tool.  Its a true quality piece that displays excellent design and manufacturing, and is highly recommended.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 05, 2018, 03:37:53 PM
Powernoodle Day 5

(https://i.imgur.com/iW09arN.jpg)
The "file" on the PowerAccess Deluxe is so poorly made as to be virtually non-functional.  It would not smooth out the rough spots on this plastic outdoor garbage bin.

:o
I am just perplexed now. Your PAD file, from comparing photos, is MUCH more poorly machined than the file on my PAD. I was under the impression that my file was as bad as it got. I was wrong.
Can the file on yours even smooth a fingernail? :ahhh

Attached are two photos I took when comparing the PAD file to the PL file. The single cut side is laughable, but the other side shows the cross sections are slightly raised.

I take it you don’t like the PAD then powernoodle  :think:

I do not, and am going to return the PAD to Amazon.  I would keep the PAD if it were just a mediocre MT.  But I just feel that SOG has punked me by putting that thing on there that they call a file, when they know full well that it doesn't work.  So I'm returning the PAD largely because I don't like being treated like a knucklehead.

Unfortunately, this means that I will drop out of the Challenge.  I hate to abandon my comrades, but we don't know how these Challenges will turn out until we try.  This is my first failure to complete a Challenge, but the return period on the MT is before the end of the Challenge so its now or never.   I'll continue to watch and participate in some way, and maybe carry another SOG for the remainder as a small show of unity with the downtrodden.

I'm still a fan of the PowerLock and PowerAssist, though this experience has diminished my opinion of SOG as a maker.

I fully understand and would probably do the same if I weren't an MT collector.
I could, at this point, recommend you request a replacement. However, knowing what we now know, I think you'd receive another monumental QC failure.

Thank you for having attempted the challenge, powernoodle. I hope that SOG can redeem themselves one day (although I won't be holding my breath). :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 05, 2018, 03:43:44 PM
Sorry to hear that you are returning the PAD
And a shame that you have to stop the challenge

Yes I totally agree about the file it’s a joke
But if that’s the only problem than in my opinion
It’s not a bad tool, but I still have to test all the tools
On the PAD so I still haven’t made my mind up
If it is a good Multi tool or not

I hope returning the PAD for a refund goes smooth  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 05, 2018, 03:52:51 PM
I think that most tools on any make of Multi tool
Look low quality compared to the Swiss Army Knife tools :think:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 05, 2018, 04:03:31 PM
I think that most tools on any make of Multi tool
Look low quality compared to the Swiss Army Knife tools :think:
Hey W,
I have to respectfully say that isn't necessarily true. For starters, a high polish isn't indicative of better quality(polished tools tend to slip more than other finishes). And second, and I'll stop here, you'd have to hold and use a lot more MTs than you have so far.
As far as files go, the newer Vic stuff IS outstanding, but LM has used files of equal quality in several models. The Rebar is a standout in that regard.
I hope that didn't come off as rude in any way. Just wanted to show the other side of the coin. :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 05, 2018, 04:15:34 PM
That’s no problem GLBM  :cheers:

What I mean is that when I look at the crunch or Supertool
Like the screw drivers they are just a straight bit of metal
With the end ground down a bit so it fits a screw
They work fine but just aren’t made very nice

I just feel that MT company’s concentrates more
On the pliers than their tools that goes in the models  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 05, 2018, 04:54:56 PM
Your PAD file, from comparing photos, is MUCH more poorly machined than the file on my PAD.

Yeah, and that pic is of the double-cut or "good" side.

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Can the file on yours even smooth a fingernail?

No, neither side would shape a fingernail.

I do not begrudge a maker too much for allowing something to slip through CQ.  But this is a design or manufacturing problem (a design problem, really) that is endemic to this MT.  I don't think the file was ever intended to work because the design, even if perfectly executed in manufacturering, would still be more akin to a butter knife than a file.

Yeah, I could have continued to test the other tools.  But if you know that you are going to break up with a lass, you might as well get it over now and move on.  And my return window was closing.

I have be honest and say that it feels real good to have a Swisstool Spirit in my pocket.  I might switch to an ST300 to get the endorphins going.

I hate not participating in this one, but God willing I will be around for future Challenges because I love MTO and love my toys.  I think maybe there at least 2 Challenges starting in July.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 05, 2018, 11:34:41 PM
That’s no problem GLBM  :cheers:

What I mean is that when I look at the crunch or Supertool
Like the screw drivers they are just a straight bit of metal
With the end ground down a bit so it fits a screw
They work fine but just aren’t made very nice

I just feel that MT company’s concentrates more
On the pliers than their tools that goes in the models  :tu:

The OG ST and Crunch are very old designs from LM(the Crunch is still produced and has not been changed much since 1999). Perhaps something during or after the Kick\Fuse\Blast\Core era would be better to compare to. :)

Your PAD file, from comparing photos, is MUCH more poorly machined than the file on my PAD.

Yeah, and that pic is of the double-cut or "good" side.

Quote
Can the file on yours even smooth a fingernail?

No, neither side would shape a fingernail.

I do not begrudge a maker too much for allowing something to slip through CQ.  But this is a design or manufacturing problem (a design problem, really) that is endemic to this MT.  I don't think the file was ever intended to work because the design, even if perfectly executed in manufacturering, would still be more akin to a butter knife than a file.

Yeah, I could have continued to test the other tools.  But if you know that you are going to break up with a lass, you might as well get it over now and move on.  And my return window was closing.

I have be honest and say that it feels real good to have a Swisstool Spirit in my pocket.  I might switch to an ST300 to get the endorphins going.

I hate not participating in this one, but God willing I will be around for future Challenges because I love MTO and love my toys.  I think maybe there at least 2 Challenges starting in July.
I would hope SOG could rectify the problem, but their track record is abysmal at best, with cancelling the model being their solution with troublesome models(ex. PowerGrab and PowerDuo). However, all my rambling aside, I'll reserve judgement for the PAD until I see how they react to the file abomination.

I have to agree that SOG knew that the file on the Access series was terrible at best, and pointless to include, in the case of the PAD you received. It could be that SOG is having financial issues and pushed the product, even knowing it was faulty. Not an excuse though and seems self-defeating at best.  :facepalm:

See ya around this thread, powernoodle! :salute:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 06, 2018, 03:06:33 AM
GLBM Day 5:
Used cutters to cut a computer power cable, chew off the jacket, and strip the three wires.
Bonus shot of my checklist. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 06, 2018, 08:01:29 AM
Day 6

Desktop fan (powered by USB outlet on PC screen) had become really wobbly. Its pivots are secured by rather undersized Phillips screws... but tightening these with the PAD helped a bit (let's see for how long).

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180606/ab19bafa277724ea15673e2c432b0575.jpg)

Edit: the possibility to use standard 1/4" bits is IMHO one of the best aspects of the PAD, and so is the way it's solved in a flexible manner with both a grip mount integrated in the pliers and the separate stub for the bit adapter; both variants have a magnet holding the bit in place. The stub has stops at 90° and 180°.
Word of caution: the stub for the bit adapter is formed rather like the 2D bits from Leatherman, and thus likely to have similar torque resistance, which is inferior to that of a normal 1/4" bit/socket combination. If you have to apply a lot of torque, avoid the stub and adapter and instead use the bit grip on the pliers (see e.g. my Day 5 post (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,77168.msg1708882.html#msg1708882)). The compound leverage of the pliers is of great help.

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 06, 2018, 08:34:08 AM
Back to the "file" for a moment, if I may.

The pics below show the extent of the catastrophe on my PAD, in support of what I have described earlier (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,77168.msg1708279.html#msg1708279).
This echoes what Powernoodle and Wspeed have concluded, and I wish SOG would take note and issue a statement with some reassurance on how they will address the issue.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180606/93d3c059be9edf3f6e2225dd3c5f4b7b.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180606/65c9ae7bc13dd96a7f4edcd1f0147641.jpg)

Nevertheless, at this point it is the only major gripe I have with the PAD.

The somewhat flimsy blades have been mentioned, and while I agree with the sentiment, I think it is the best they could have done based on the geometry chosen for the handles, and the lock springs in particular, short of redesigning said geometry. The blades could not have been made wider and still fit inside the handles without interfering with the lock springs...

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 06, 2018, 01:46:12 PM
Day 6

Today I had to tighten the handle on the drawer
And the best fitting for the screws is the small driver
A job well done  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 06, 2018, 06:27:28 PM
Here are some pics of the file from my PAD
Well a bit of scratched metal
you can’t call it a file  :rant:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 06, 2018, 06:39:22 PM
I'm finally ready to start........

Day 01:

Used the knife to conduct the initial paper cutting test. I did strop the blade first. Very sharp, cleanly sliced fine catalog paper. Good start here!

(https://i.imgur.com/VfWSSgK.jpg)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 06, 2018, 06:43:27 PM
I'm carrying the PAD in it's belt pouch, but took out the bit set.

The bit set is just a bit bulky (sorry for the unintentional pun there). This is a bit odd (ok, there I go again), since the bit driver capability is the real strength of the PAD. Perhaps after I've adjusted to carrying the PAD, I'll try adding the bits back into the sheath.

As I said in a previous thread, I find that the sheath is not well designed to carry both the bits and PAD, but it works just fine for the PAD alone.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 06, 2018, 06:49:02 PM
It think the smurfed-up file is just going to be one of those issues for SOG. Huge FAIL and it should be an embarrassment for them.

SOG: FIX the FILE (or leave it out in favor of some SCISSORS)!!!  :twak:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 06, 2018, 07:14:43 PM
Nice to have you back again Nix  :cheers:


Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ducttapetech on June 06, 2018, 07:49:05 PM
Awesome challenge gents! best of like guys.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 06, 2018, 07:53:06 PM
Thanks dtt nice one  :cheers: :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 06, 2018, 09:43:30 PM
I'm glad to get this challenge underway!   :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 07, 2018, 02:05:54 AM
Howdy Nix! Awesome to have you in the challenge! :cheers:

Day 6:
Two pics. One is me pulling a small-medium brass nail out of painted oak. Two is my using the integrated hex driver in the back of the pliers. I didn't like the plier-hex idea on the PowerPlay and still don't like it on the PowerAccess Deluxe. But, figured I give it a go for the challenge. Works, but constant squeezing is required. :ahhh
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 07, 2018, 05:37:51 AM
Day 01 (continued):

Used the saw to cut down a small Aspen tree. This past Winter was tough and the deer ate anything they could. We had a small Aspen tree growing in the yard, but it had been mauled too badly to leave standing. Had to go.

PAD saw made quick work of cutting the soft wood, and the "tree" was felled in no time. Roots got dug up with a shovel.


(https://i.imgur.com/lS4sfEF.jpg)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 07, 2018, 11:37:30 AM
Day 7

PAD's compound leverage pliers to the rescue intervening in a repair following a typical office accident involving destruction of a sprung badge holder reel. The repairs involved putting my preferred black leather badge holder on a new reel - I hate these clunky plastic badge holders :rant:

Edit: glad you could join us Nix :tu: :cheers:



(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180607/8c25b2419aaaa540b308afd4ca79383b.jpg)


PS for some reason the pic is invisible...??? Although I am pointing to a file uploaded with Tapatalk.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 07, 2018, 02:06:54 PM
Day 7

Today I tested the Plain blade
I have some different size silicone reinforced hoses
And a piece of garden hose to use

I was surprised how easy the blade cut the silicone hoses
But when I tried the garden hose it wasn’t that easy
I had to put a lot of pressure and saw motions to cut the hose

I will test the blade on more things to see if it is still sharp
Tried to shave hair off my arm like I tried before and worked
But this time the blade couldn’t shave the hair off my arm
So it’s not as sharp now as it was first use
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: RF52 on June 07, 2018, 02:47:38 PM
Day 7

PAD's compound leverage pliers to the rescue intervening in a repair following a typical office accident involving destruction of a sprung badge holder reel. The repairs involved putting my preferred black leather badge holder on a new reel - I hate these clunky plastic badge holders :rant:

Edit: glad you could join us Nix :tu: :cheers:



(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180607/8c25b2419aaaa540b308afd4ca79383b.jpg)


PS for some reason the pic is invisible...??? Although I am pointing to a file uploaded with Tapatalk.
Could see the pic earlier today, so something has happened

Sent fra min FRD-L09 via Tapatalk

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 07, 2018, 03:15:25 PM
Day 7

PAD's compound leverage pliers to the rescue intervening in a repair following a typical office accident involving destruction of a sprung badge holder reel. The repairs involved putting my preferred black leather badge holder on a new reel - I hate these clunky plastic badge holders :rant:

Edit: glad you could join us Nix :tu: :cheers:



(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180607/8c25b2419aaaa540b308afd4ca79383b.jpg)


PS for some reason the pic is invisible...??? Although I am pointing to a file uploaded with Tapatalk.
Could see the pic earlier today, so something has happened

Sent fra min FRD-L09 via Tapatalk


Seems to be happening to more members today  :think:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ReamerPunch on June 07, 2018, 03:22:42 PM
Here are some pics of the file from my PAD
Well a bit of scratched metal
you can’t call it a file  :rant:

That looks like a movie prop. Not a real file, but it could fool viewers.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 07, 2018, 03:30:16 PM
Here are some pics of the file from my PAD
Well a bit of scratched metal
you can’t call it a file  :rant:

That looks like a movie prop. Not a real file, but it could fool viewers.
It’s absolutely unacceptable  :rant:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: jaya_man on June 07, 2018, 04:44:42 PM
Good luck with the challenge again guys... how are you liking your SOGs so far?

D_T, for some reason, Tapatalk is smurfing all the pics uploaded... I’m having the same problem too... might want to re-upload via your mobile browser...
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 07, 2018, 04:54:13 PM
Thanks jaya :cheers:

The SOG PAD is doing ok so far
It’s just the file, it’s a bit of a joke  :rofl: :ahhh
I won’t say it’s a good or bad tool
Until the challenge is finished
As there are a lot more tasks to complete  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 07, 2018, 04:58:38 PM
Not easy to find on my phone after the resizing, but here's my missing Day 7 picture.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: jaya_man on June 07, 2018, 04:59:49 PM
Awesome... I can see it now... :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 07, 2018, 05:02:15 PM
Not easy to find on my phone after the resizing, but here's my missing Day 7 picture.

Good you got it sorted D_T :cheers:
Weird that the pic disappeared
I saw the pic this morning  :think:
It happened to some other members as well  ??? :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 07, 2018, 06:18:59 PM
Thank you, jaya_man! :cheers:

I am enjoying mine. It performs similarly to most SOGs I have used, aside from the file issue, and the implements being outside accessible. I was weary of the whispy blades to begin with, but the blades have not broken yet while using them as I would any other MT blade. My final judgement on the PAD will be reserved for the end of the challenge though. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Whoey on June 07, 2018, 06:59:07 PM
I think I see the issue.

I use chrome, as I assume many others do, and the tapatalk image is on https link, but chrome says it's an unsafe domain, so when I open the image link in a new tab ie:

Code: [Select]
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180607/8c25b2419aaaa540b308afd4ca79383b.jpgsays insecure and I see no photo

Code: [Select]
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180607/8c25b2419aaaa540b308afd4ca79383b.jpghowever loads the image. Next month Chrome will start reporting all regular http links as insecure so I hope crapolatalk get whatever certificate they need sorted done.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 07, 2018, 08:14:18 PM
Day 7:
Tried out the 1/4" socket driver/hex bit adapter today. The 1/4" part fits a bit loosely, but that might be helpful if you need to drive a screw where you cannot be straight-on with the handles. :think:
Anyway. It works as advertised and I like is a lot more than the bit grabber in the plier casting.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 07, 2018, 09:56:04 PM
I think I see the issue.

I use chrome, as I assume many others do, and the tapatalk image is on https link, but chrome says it's an unsafe domain, so when I open the image link in a new tab ie:

Code: [Select]
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180607/8c25b2419aaaa540b308afd4ca79383b.jpgsays insecure and I see no photo

Code: [Select]
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180607/8c25b2419aaaa540b308afd4ca79383b.jpghowever loads the image. Next month Chrome will start reporting all regular http links as insecure so I hope crapolatalk get whatever certificate they need sorted done.

Thanks for looking Whoey :tu:

Just one thing: I wasn't using Chrome, instead it happened in Firefox. Same problem probably...

Anyway, found where my pic resizer stores its output so I'll happily avoid using Tapatalk from now on ;)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 07, 2018, 10:25:15 PM
Day 02:

I like having some scissors handy, so this will likely be my usual carry for the challenge:

(https://i.imgur.com/u9dFWHf.jpg)


I was outside doing some yard work today, already the Classic's scissors proved to be useful in clipping a couple of damaged flowers and some string. But on to the PAD.......

Used the main blade to open some bags of mulch and a bag of birdseed. Also used the knife to cut some twine used to lash a couple of supports together. For these tasks the knife was sharp and effective.  :tu:

(https://i.imgur.com/olpzqg2.jpg)


I was refilling the bird-feeder and noticed that there was residual dirt and seed stuck to the bottom of the feeder. I decided to use the file as a scraper to clean out this mess (after all, there was a reduced chance of scraping the metal housing by using the file.). The file worked well in this application, and the lock kept the file from folding up when engaged in vigorous scraping/cleaning.

(https://i.imgur.com/caA2JxK.jpg)


All in all, a good day for the PAD.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 08, 2018, 01:36:13 PM
Day 8

Today I used the integral bit holder and flathead screw bit
To undo the shower plug hole cover for cleaning
I really like the integral bit holder especially the magnet
That holds the bits and I didn’t need to grip it hard
All works as you would expect no problems  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 08, 2018, 02:44:58 PM
Day 8

Needed a piece of an old belt (material is analogous to that of a seat belt). Serrated blade made short work (pardon the pun :D)...

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 08, 2018, 06:14:12 PM
Nice shots and uses today, guys!  :like:

Day 03:

Used the X-small driver to tighten up my reading glasses. Worked well.


(https://i.imgur.com/q69Uz6A.jpg)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 08, 2018, 08:48:04 PM
Powernoodle Day  . . .  uh, never mind.

After turning into Mr. Grumpy because of the PAD's "file" and general cheapy feel (IMO) - and then joyfully returning it to Amazon - I looked at MT alternatives in the PAD's general price range. Just for giggles. On eBay you can get a new Swisstool for $86.16 shipped, which is $16.21 more than the PAD on Amazon Prime.  Well worth the extra cost.  The PAD gives you the bit drivers (eh), 1/4" driver and compound leverage pivot not found on the Swisstool, but the Swisstool is in virtually all other respects much the superior MT.  Again, IMO.  The PAD and Swisstool are pretty much at the opposite end of the spectrum when looking at quality, precision, etc.  Or if you want to stick with SOG, the PowerLock can be had on Amazon Prime for $47.77 shipped, which is $22.18 less than the PAD.  The venerable PowerLock gives you the same (and awesome) compound leverage and 1/4" driver of the PAD, albeit with inside opening tools.  It does have those goofy wings that slow deployment of the tools, but the PowerLock is a legit competitor at $47.  Someone, maybe Nix, noted that the PAD's sheath just does not work well with the driver set, which competes for space against the MT.  Another inelegant design element.

So whether competing internally with the PowerLock, or going up against the class leaders like the Swisstool, one is hard-pressed in my view to advocate the PAD.  This is especially true when embracing the sad reality that SOG obviously does not care if all of the tools on the PAD function as advertised.  So Mr. Grumpy here is more saddened by SOG the company than the PAD itself.  Its not the poor PAD's fault that it cannot keep up with the other kids.

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 08, 2018, 09:35:48 PM
So Mr. Grumpy here is more saddened by SOG the company than the PAD itself.

I share those sentiments. I want to love SOG, but they make it hard. I've had girlfriends like that......but not for long.

And, yes, I'm bummed out by the poorly designed sheath. Another sign of poor project development and oversight. I think somebody needs to be fired.

Today the naked PAD is riding in the back pocket of my jeans. This is actually my new favorite carry method for the PAD.....which is a bit sad in it's own right...... Maybe I'll try to make a leather sheath for it.

Hmmmm......

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 09, 2018, 01:22:11 AM
Day 8:
Getting used to the quirkiness of the PAD. Now that is has been performing every task I have used it for, without issue, I cannot say it feels cheap anymore("not as nicely/well made as others" would be more applicable).
A few positive note:
The half-ground drivers of the PAD perform slightly better than the high-polished drivers on some other MTs. The tools are easy to deploy(not requiring fingernails) and the cutter section on the pliers is superb(size and design). The plier head itself has proven to be as good as some older SOG plier heads.
The sheath isn't great, but it has worked as advertised. For me it has anyway.

If the SOG had included a proper file on the PAD, I believe overall opinion would differ to some large degree.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 09, 2018, 02:02:28 AM
If the SOG had included a proper file on the PAD, I believe overall opinion would differ to some large degree.

Agreed. That file....... :facepalm: 

Otherwise, doing nicely so far.

Although the sheath does need a re-design in my opinion. Not even much of redesign. 5 minutes, maybe 10 minutes with a designer, and the sheath is easily improved. A few simple tweaks and it's a really nice sheath. Part of what kills me here is that SOG is sooooo close to making a good, perhaps great, multitool. 30 minutes with the design team, a little shouting, one kick in the a$$, and I think I can get the PAD is ready for the majors.

But, right now? I wish this were the Super Tool 300 challenge.........
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 09, 2018, 03:27:49 AM
Agreed, Nix. :cheers:

But, a point nobody is bringing up. The PAD is a bit over 1oz lighter than the SwissTool. Making it much lighter than the ST300. :)

The PAD is 8.733oz(247.8g). Impressively light weight for the function and pliers you get.  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 09, 2018, 03:46:25 AM
Hey, fair point.

It does carry fairly well in a back pocket or the sheath.

No complaints there.  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 09, 2018, 10:03:57 AM
Hey, fair point.

It does carry fairly well in a back pocket or the sheath.

No complaints there.  :tu:

+1

Back to the sheath - my opinion so far:
Pros:
+ room for the PAD and the bit kit in the main pocket (if a bit tightly) leaving the side loop free
+ Molle attachment allows flexible carry options

Cons:
- bulk - quite a bulge on the hip if carrying PAD and bit kit in the main pocket
- if not, PAD very loose in main pocket, plus awkward fit of bit kit in side loop
- velcro is of abysmal quality, only barely holds shut on Day 9. Usable quality would have added maybe 5 cents to production costs
- sloppy stitching in places downgrades overall perception of quality
- a second side loop or pocket would have been nice and again only added 5 cents to production costs...
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 09, 2018, 01:46:17 PM
I don’t like pouches they are always in the way
Especially when sitting down or driving a car
The pouch could of been a lot better if they put a
Decent quality popper on the front like the one on the back
I really like the popper on the back for the belt
So you don’t have to undo your belt to fit / remove the pouch
I am wearing the pouch every day for the challenge
So I might get used to the pouch  :salute:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 09, 2018, 02:04:09 PM
Day 04:

(https://i.imgur.com/Ve8TMF4.jpg)


Day four getting started here. Just checking in with the challenge team. I know we've identified some strong negative points, no surprises there, that doesn't take an MTo'er very long. At this point, I'm interested in seeing what the capabilities of the PAD are, and trying to get a sense for how effective some of the tools are. And durability is also a point of interest.

I'm going to slide from this challenge into an all summer-long challenge. I know some of you can't do that, but I want to give this tool a really good look. There is a lot to like here, and I'm curious to see if, with extended use, I'll become more attached to the PAD.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 09, 2018, 02:21:52 PM
Day 9

I have just finished changing the handbrake cable
On my friends LandRover Defender TD5
This was a 4 hour job as you have to remove the prop shaft
Before you can get to the handbrake drum on the gearbox
I used the PAD pliers to remove springs of the pads
And to hook the new cable over the brake arm
Unfortunately my hands were covered in grease to take pics
So as the last job was to fit the cable to the handbrake
And fit a split pin my hands were clean enough to get a couple
Of pictures fitting the split pin to the handbrake cable

The PAD performed as it should no problems  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 09, 2018, 02:23:47 PM
 :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 09, 2018, 02:26:50 PM
 :cheers: :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 09, 2018, 05:00:47 PM
Now we're cooking!
Already used the kit to drive a new screw in the scale bracket at work. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 09, 2018, 06:36:06 PM
Day 9

Lounge chair repairs with the bolt grip portion of the pliers. Not in pic, other hand holding locknut with a wrench/spanner, since I happen to have only two hands :D
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 09, 2018, 07:30:39 PM
Nice pic, DT!
It does show one of the downsides to the compound leverage system though. Handle splaaaaayyyyyy. :ahhh

PAD hanging out on an old wagon wheel hub.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 09, 2018, 07:43:16 PM
Nice pic GLBM  :dd: :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 09, 2018, 07:57:11 PM
Nice pic, DT!
It does show one of the downsides to the compound leverage system though. Handle splaaaaayyyyyy. :ahhh

PAD hanging out on an old wagon wheel hub.

Thanks GLBM - that is intrinsic in the system I guess... hasn't hit me negatively so far :D
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 09, 2018, 11:05:07 PM
Day 04 (continued):

It turned out to be a big day for the SOG PAD.  I was outside doing a lot of yard-work today and the PAD saw a lot of action. I used the main blade to open a couple more bags of mulch, but didn't take a picture since that has been shown by me already.

However, we have a small herd of deer that occasionally makes raids into our yard and are very destructive. In early Fall, I put protective fencing up to keep the deer away from trees and some shrubs. Here's a snapshot of a tree that was badly damaged when the previous owner didn't protect the trunk from rutting bucks who like to use the trees as scent posts:

(https://i.imgur.com/xPjmKUg.jpg)


And you can also see my solution, wire netting. Mrs Nix would not permit the use of barbed wire or claymore mines.

In summer the deer aren't a problem, so I take the wire fencing down. This requires the removal of all the tie-wire I used to bind the edges of the wire fencing together. And I really cinched that wire tight. So here is where the PAD came in today. I used the pliers tips to grab and twist the wire out of the fencing. I also used the PAD to cut the wire as needed, usually when it got too kinked up.

(https://i.imgur.com/5In7EFR.jpg)

The PAD was extremely handy for this task since I was using both the pliers and the integrated wire cutters.

At the end of the day, PAD 50, Wire 0.

(https://i.imgur.com/QeczuMH.jpg)


But the PAD wasn't done. I decided to run a semi-permanent, short hose from the side of the house through Mrs Nix's shrub garden. I wanted the hose to be very secure at the external faucet, so I used a little plumber's tape and really cranked down on the hose nut to get a tight seal.

Now, with this size nut, the handles were splayed too far apart to use with one hand, but the PAD worked well using a two handed approach.

(https://i.imgur.com/vwcrFOf.jpg)


This was one of those moments where I was glad to have a multitool in my pocket, and the PAD worked really well here.

And just the same, I noticed my flag pole bracket was a little loose. Since the PAD was in my pocket, I pulled out the Phillips driver and tightened the screws up a bit. The PAD's driver is a #2, and these bolts are probably #3's, but the PAD did the job just fine.

(https://i.imgur.com/0LDDqpP.jpg)

So, a busy day for the PAD.....and there may be more in store......
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 09, 2018, 11:55:16 PM
 :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 10, 2018, 12:27:46 AM
Day 04 (continued):

(https://i.imgur.com/2rwna9f.jpg)


OK, the can opener works, but it's poorly designed and manufactured. The grinds are terrible. The design allows one to punch through the can lid, but it doesn't cut as cleanly as a Victorinox can-opener.

I'm a little annoyed, because as I was opening this small can of tomato sauce--pizza night!--the can opener kept punching through and splattering tomato sauce over the counter and my shirt. And, as you can see, the lid got depressed into the sauce. Not cool.

I think the opener works best by taking tiny bites and moving it forward in a counter-clockwise direction. This seems to limit the splatter problem. Backwards, or clock-wise, was a bit faster, but I had less control and more splatter.

Overall, I'm giving this can-opener 3 of 5 points. It works, but I'd rather use Leatherman or Vic or Gerber opener. Hell, I've used combat knives that were better at opening cans.

This challenge requires 3 uses of the can opener. It will be interesting to see if I get any better at using this can-opener and get better results with subsequent uses.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 10, 2018, 02:27:11 AM
Awesome putting to use of the PAD, Nix! :cheers:

SOG can openers are notoriously lame. The SOG can opener has been pretty much unchanged for twenty years. :think:
The earlier SOG can openers were similar to LM can openers and worked better.

I realize now that I don't have any traditional style cans or bottles. Mine are all pull tab. I am going to have to buy canned food and capped glass bottle sodas for the can-opener and cap-lifter tests. :rofl:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 10, 2018, 03:30:29 AM
 :rofl:

Well, you may find something new to enjoy!   :rofl: :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 10, 2018, 05:34:14 AM
:rofl:

Well, you may find something new to enjoy!   :rofl: :tu:
:like:

I tried out the small driver on the can opener on my older multi-meter. Worked great in adjusting it and removing the back to check the batteries. Changed the AA and the 9V was good. Not sure what the graphic on the 9V is about and do not remember putting it in there. :think:
Maybe my older brother put that battery in when he borrowed it a few years ago. :P
Then I was just playing around with the PAD's 1/4" driver. :D
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 10, 2018, 04:47:16 PM
:rofl:

Well, you may find something new to enjoy!   :rofl: :tu:
:like:

I tried out the small driver on the can opener on my older multi-meter. Worked great in adjusting it and removing the back to check the batteries. Changed the AA and the 9V was good. Not sure what the graphic on the 9V is about and do not remember putting it in there. :think:
Maybe my older brother put that battery in when he borrowed it a few years ago. :P
Then I was just playing around with the PAD's 1/4" driver. :D

that battery  :rofl: :rofl:

also, Nix posted his attempt with the tomato can that was a bit messy,
but the result of the final work was flawless!  :ahhh Look what he cooked:  :o

(https://i.imgur.com/YboW3qZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 10, 2018, 04:51:54 PM
That looks  :drool: :drool: :drool: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 10, 2018, 05:41:59 PM
I was looking at the can opener on the PAD and a can opener on a SAK
And noticed that the opener on the SAK has a cutting edge like a knife
And the SOG opener only one side has a cutting edge
and only halfway on the curved edge

I also noticed that the PAD can opener looks left handed
As the SOG and SAK have the angles and grinds are opposites
I am left handed so it will be a good test for me
Just need to find some cans now as most now have ring pulls :ahhh
Here are a few pics of what I am talking about  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 10, 2018, 06:45:49 PM
Day 10

Re the can opener, I'll also have difficulties finding a traditional can...

For the moment I'll open bottles instead :cheers: :drink:

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 10, 2018, 07:17:17 PM
Give it a couple of years and all cans will be ring pull
No more need for can openers on a SAK or MT
And the can opener will be something
we can talk to our grand kids about
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 10, 2018, 07:35:40 PM
Day 10

First 10 days are done  :D
So to celebrate I am opening
a bottle with the bottle opener
I don’t drink or have any bottles
so I picked up a 4 pack of WKD
So instead of me drinking the
bottle I gave it to my partner Amanda
As she helped with this
challenge taking a couple of pics
For the action shots and for being in
stitches of laughter with my daughter
For me taking pictures of the tasks  :tu:

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 10, 2018, 11:04:43 PM
Day 05:

Quiet day. I was puttering in the garage and noticed that the bolts holding the fairing on the Norton were loose (one had fallen off!  :ahhh). Used the PAD along with the 1/4" driver with adapter to tighten the (remaining) bolts.

(https://i.imgur.com/jnIOE1d.jpg)


The PAD worked well for this. Things like this are why I like carrying a multitool when out for a motorcycle ride.   :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 11, 2018, 03:57:06 AM
Day 10:
Tried a countersink bit in the PAD today. Not terribly efficient at this, but I didn't have to go find the power drill I had misplaced just to sink the one hole. I'll look for the power drill another day. :rofl:
Edit: extra shot using the 1/4" tool with a socket to tighten a bolt. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 11, 2018, 09:30:06 AM
On that last pic GLBM, how solid was the sensation you got from the PAD when tightening the bolt? Haven't tried that yet...
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 11, 2018, 01:24:12 PM
Day 11

I had some time this morning to test the cutters
The cutters cut everything I tried
Until I tried to cut the 2.5mm nail
It cut the nail without any problem
But when I checked the jaws on the cutters
That I noticed some damage on one side of the cutters
You can see the damage clearly on the pics
In the next post
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 11, 2018, 01:26:19 PM
Day 11 continued

Here are some close ups of the damage
I don’t know how Powernoodle
got away with cutting that nail he did  :think:

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 11, 2018, 01:46:03 PM
Day 11 continued

Here are some close ups of the damage
I don’t know how Powernoodle
got away with cutting that nail he did  :think:

that's exactly what happened to my Powerlock  :P
Powernoodle's nails must be untempered or made of brass  ???

I was looking at the can opener on the PAD and a can opener on a SAK
And noticed that the opener on the SAK has a cutting edge like a knife
And the SOG opener only one side has a cutting edge
and only halfway on the curved edge

I also noticed that the PAD can opener looks left handed
As the SOG and SAK have the angles and grinds are opposites
I am left handed so it will be a good test for me
Just need to find some cans now as most now have ring pulls :ahhh
Here are a few pics of what I am talking about  :tu:

well judging by its construction and previous experiences with my SOGs it looks more like the now famous can't opener present in this company's multitools   :ahhh

Also, what happens when the pull-to-open ring gets separated or torn from the can? I've had that happen more than once  :think:

also, seeing that it barely has an edge (ie, it is blunt) and judging by Nix's mess with the tomato can and the can lid submerged in tomato soup, this is more like a "Press And Destroy" can opening implement  :D
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 11, 2018, 01:59:08 PM
So bad cutters a file that is not a file and
a can opener that is more like a can’t opener
SOG is doing well  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 11, 2018, 03:00:18 PM
Nails are a tough order. I'm not surprised to see some rolling from that test. But, I think this is where LM's replaceable cutters are a good idea. It's not often I need to cut a nail (or other hard wire), but it's nice to know that one could and then replace a mangled cutter if required. And, even with regular use, I suspect all cutters can dull or chip (I've got some dedicated wire cutters with the odd chip in them).
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 11, 2018, 03:11:34 PM
Nails are a tough order. I'm not surprised to see some rolling from that test. But, I think this is where LM's replaceable cutters are a good idea. It's not often I need to cut a nail (or other hard wire), but it's nice to know that one could and then replace a mangled cutter if required. And, even with regular use, I suspect all cutters can dull or chip (I've got some dedicated wire cutters with the odd chip in them).

have you seen Tim Leatherman's famous test?  :D
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 11, 2018, 03:20:22 PM
Yes I have seen his test
He stands on the tool to cut that big nail :tu: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 11, 2018, 04:03:32 PM
I am going to buy 3 cans today
So I can try to use the can opener for day 12
I am left handed and have no problems
using a can opener on the SAK or LM
And after seeing Nix opening the can
I don’t know if it will work for me  :think:
It will be a interesting task for Day 12 :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 11, 2018, 04:34:06 PM
:popcorn:

At least for the can't opener, there is some hope it can be turned into a can opener easily, i.e. by grinding it a little. Of course, that is something SOG should have done in the first place...

I am almost dreading my nail cutting test now...  :o
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 11, 2018, 04:42:45 PM
:popcorn:

At least for the can't opener, there is some hope it can be turned into a can opener easily, i.e. by grinding it a little. Of course, that is something SOG should have done in the first place...

I am almost dreading my nail cutting test now...  :o
I was thinking the same about the can’t opener
If I have the same problems as
Nix when I test the can’t opener
I will try and regrind the opener like on the SAK or LM
It’s not like you can make it any worse  :rofl: :ahhh :facepalm:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 11, 2018, 04:45:11 PM
Day 11

Phillips driver test - passed. I agree however with whoever said this that this tool is not suitable for much more deeply recessed screws...

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 11, 2018, 05:51:26 PM
Day 11 continued

Here are some close ups of the damage
I don’t know how Powernoodle
got away with cutting that nail he did  :think:

I gotta call ya out on the nail thing, W.
PN shouldn't have done it either. Makes little to no sense. :think:
That is not a fair test to be honest.  SOG doesn't advertise the cutters as "hard nail cutters".
That will not likely be covered under warranty. It is basically abuse. :facepalm:

Edit: For the record, and I emphasize this, I am not cutting hardened nails with my PAD. I don't do it with any other MT, so why ruin my PAD warranty? I urge anyone to NOT void their warranty by cutting hardened nails.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 11, 2018, 05:57:58 PM
Quote from: Dutch_Tooler

I am almost dreading my nail cutting test now...  :o
Then don't do it.  :D It is not on the challenge sheet. Nor is cutting hardened steel nails listed as a function of the PAD.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 11, 2018, 06:02:04 PM
On that last pic GLBM, how solid was the sensation you got from the PAD when tightening the bolt? Haven't tried that yet...
The only thing I wasn't too thrilled about is the slight looseness of the tool inside the socket. But, that is not a problem with the tool, it is just an issue with having 1/2 of a 1/4" driver to do it.  :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 11, 2018, 06:12:05 PM
don’t know how Powernoodle got away with cutting that nail he did  :think:

Skill.  Talent.  Good looks.  Its all part of the same continuum.

In Nutnfancy's Youtube review of the Swisstool several years ago, he cut a nail in half too with no damage.

Quote
PN shouldn't have done it either. Makes little to no sense. :think:

Now, you know that MTO is not about making sense.  A bunch of semi-grown men posting pictures of MTs on the internet makes no sense.   :cheers:

For one, I did not care if I destroyed the PAD because I just didn't like it, and because I own more MTs than I can ever use.  That is to say, I was prepared to totally destroy the hard wire cutter.  And, its fun to cut a framing nail.  We do this stuff for fun.  Further, it like what "Tim" does on the Military Arms Channel on Youtube.  He dunks a gun in water, dirt, sand and mud, and then sees if it still goes bang.  That's not the intended usage of a firearm, and not really "fair" to the maker, but that's how you see where its failure point is.  You do what's not fair.

Fair or not, its just a data point.  You might remember that I've buried more than one MT in the ground for a year to see if it will rust. 
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=61008.0   Again, that's outside the MTs design parameters, just like cutting a 10-penny nail may be, but this is not about being fair to SOG.  Its about having fun, and maybe learning what your MT can do and what it cannot.  My PAD would cut a big, fat nail in half, but that is something I would never do for real.

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 11, 2018, 06:17:49 PM
I don’t know how Powernoodle
got away with cutting that nail he did  :think:

I honestly did, though. I would lie to you about most things  :salute: , but not that.  I could not take a pic of the actual cutting because it took two hands to bear down on the PAD.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 11, 2018, 06:25:02 PM
powernoodle,

I cannot disagree with your excellently written reply. However, with that said, I should restate my assertion to make more sense.

I should have been clear with my original comment. In essence, regarding the current thread, this particular challenge is about seeing if the PAD can handle routine multitool tasks. Cutting big-smurfin' nails IS fun to try an MT on, but isn't something a majority of us will EVER need to do.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 11, 2018, 06:36:25 PM
Day 11 continued

Here are some close ups of the damage
I don’t know how Powernoodle
got away with cutting that nail he did  :think:

I gotta call ya out on the nail thing, W.
PN shouldn't have done it either. Makes little to no sense. :think:
That is not a fair test to be honest.  SOG doesn't advertise the cutters as "hard nail cutters".
That will not likely be covered under warranty. It is basically abuse. :facepalm:

Edit: For the record, and I emphasize this, I am not cutting hardened nails with my PAD. I don't do it with any other MT, so why ruin my PAD warranty? I urge anyone to NOT void their warranty by cutting hardened nails.
I was in no way trying to test the cutters to their limits
I just wanted to test the cutters with the nail
As Powernoodle cut that large nail
After his test I thought it would
be no problem to cut a 2.5 mm nail
I also tested this with my LM Supertool
And no problems or damage

I will say that it’s only a small bit of damage
As I made close up pics to show the damage
I tested the cutters again with the bit of damage
And they still cut everything I used for the test
Just didn’t try a nail again as I now know it’s limit

I am not saying that the cutters are no good
As they work and cut everything I tried and still work
I am more a bit surprised after
Powernoodle cutting that large nail
That my cutters got that bit of damage

But I totally agree don’t try and cut nails with the hard wire cutters :salute:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 11, 2018, 06:40:39 PM
On that last pic GLBM, how solid was the sensation you got from the PAD when tightening the bolt? Haven't tried that yet...
The only thing I wasn't too thrilled about is the slight looseness of the tool inside the socket. But, that is not a problem with the tool, it is just an issue with having 1/2 of a 1/4" driver to do it.  :)
:cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 11, 2018, 06:44:13 PM
I don’t know how Powernoodle
got away with cutting that nail he did  :think:

I honestly did, though. I would lie to you about most things  :salute: , but not that.  I could not take a pic of the actual cutting because it took two hands to bear down on the PAD.
I believe that you cut that nail
I was more surprised that a
2.5mm nail would of been a problem
I didn’t even use a lot of force to cut the nail
This is why I said I don’t know
how you got away with no damage  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 11, 2018, 07:08:17 PM
I was in no way trying to test the cutters to their limits
I just wanted to test the cutters with the nail
As Powernoodle cut that large nail
After his test I thought it would
be no problem to cut a 2.5 mm nail
I also tested this with my LM Supertool
And no problems or damage

I will say that it’s only a small bit of damage
As I made close up pics to show the damage
I tested the cutters again with the bit of damage
And they still cut everything I used for the test
Just didn’t try a nail again as I now know it’s limit

I am not saying that the cutters are no good
As they work and cut everything I tried and still work
I am more a bit surprised after
Powernoodle cutting that large nail
That my cutters got that bit of damage

But I totally agree don’t try and cut nails with the hard wire cutters :salute:
Fair enough. I had misread your point earlier. Apologies for that. Now I understand you were curious as to why someone else did the cut w/o issue and you had slight damage cutting a nail. :cheers:

I don't know how it will affect the cutters, but if it does affect the performance, there is a solution. A flattened diamond coated needle file works well at fixing the deformation in the cutters. It may at least prevent any "catching" when the jaws close. That is, of course, if an issue with the cutters were to arise. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 11, 2018, 07:17:03 PM
I was in no way trying to test the cutters to their limits
I just wanted to test the cutters with the nail
As Powernoodle cut that large nail
After his test I thought it would
be no problem to cut a 2.5 mm nail
I also tested this with my LM Supertool
And no problems or damage

I will say that it’s only a small bit of damage
As I made close up pics to show the damage
I tested the cutters again with the bit of damage
And they still cut everything I used for the test
Just didn’t try a nail again as I now know it’s limit

I am not saying that the cutters are no good
As they work and cut everything I tried and still work
I am more a bit surprised after
Powernoodle cutting that large nail
That my cutters got that bit of damage

But I totally agree don’t try and cut nails with the hard wire cutters :salute:
Fair enough. I had misread your point earlier. Apologies for that. Now I understand you were curious as to why someone else did the cut w/o issue and you had slight damage cutting a nail. :cheers:

I don't know how it will affect the cutters, but if it does affect the performance, there is a solution. A flattened diamond coated needle file works well at fixing the deformation in the cutters. It may at least prevent any "catching" when the jaws close. That is, of course, if an issue with the cutters were to arise. :)
Thanks GLBM  :cheers:
The cutters still work perfectly
I haven’t had any problems with cutting  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 11, 2018, 07:45:32 PM
Glad the damage didn't have any negative effects, W!

So how are you all doing with your checklists? :)

I have the can opener, cap lifter, plain blade carve/food/rope/eyc, ruler, and final task left. :ahhh
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 11, 2018, 07:49:02 PM
The list is going well got about 10 tasks left :woohoo:
Going to test the can opener tomorrow  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 11, 2018, 08:03:34 PM
The list is going well got about 10 tasks left :woohoo:
Going to test the can opener tomorrow  :cheers:
I did some research and found a few canned products with small circumferences. Just got to go buy them. :rofl:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 11, 2018, 08:07:46 PM
I'm pretty well along on my list too :tu:

Haven't done the tasks with the can opener, the second ones with the bit grip and driver, the large, small and eyeglass screwdrivers, the wire cutting and the ruler yet, the rest is checked off.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 11, 2018, 08:48:10 PM
Day 11 - continued

Decided to check some more tasks off the list. In sequence:

Had a cable with a cigarette lighter plug with a blown fuse. Used the appropriate bit in the plier grip to open the plug.

While I was at it, I decided to test the wire cutter on some chicken wire I had lying around, no damage to the cutters, then to bend it at a pretty sharp angle, where the compound leverage helped a lot. (Pics are swapped around, sorry...)

In the last pic I cheated by using the medium Phillips bit via a bit driver extender on the adaptor and bit diver stub to fit a maglite clamp. The 90° position is great and the amount of torque you can bring to bear is a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 11, 2018, 09:13:18 PM
The list is going well got about 10 tasks left :woohoo:
Going to test the can opener tomorrow  :cheers:
I did some research and found a few canned products with small circumferences. Just got to go buy them. :rofl:
I found some old style cans today
Bought 3 cans 2 normal size and 1 large size
And will open all 3 tomorrow and use
the contents of the tins for pudding  :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 11, 2018, 09:54:32 PM
You guys are well ahead of me........  :-\

But I'll catch up!

 :multi:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 11, 2018, 10:31:08 PM
Day 06:

Used the PAD's medium driver (cap lifter) to remove and replace a light switch cover with a solid cover. No issues with the driver for this light-duty task.


(https://i.imgur.com/AN1VdzX.jpg)


For the checklist, I used the serrated blade to cut through some webbing. This webbing is 5cm wide--according to the PAD's ruler--and is doubled over. The serrated blade cut this fairly easily, but I had a bit of a tearing impression. I cut it a few times just to test it out. The width of the material makes this a bit of a difficult task, but I think the SOG did well here. I have the impression that the serrated blade would make a good emergency rescue tool for getting out of a seat-belt or harness.



(https://i.imgur.com/fYEGDwl.jpg)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 11, 2018, 11:19:02 PM
I'm going to be doing some car camping up in Glacier National Park and/or northern Montana over the next couple of day. So, I may be a bit tardy posting up my required photos for the next few days.

But, rest assured, the PAD is going along and will continue to serve as my primary tool (Vic Classic is back-up). Hopefully I'll have some decent photos to share from the trip.  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 11, 2018, 11:29:40 PM
Sounds fun Nix
Hope you have a good time  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 12, 2018, 12:02:29 AM
Day 06 (continued):

I'm taking a small daypack on the trip. I decided to attached the SOG sheath to the pack using MOLLE attachment points.

The Blackhawk clips make attaching it quick and simple. And I think a bit more secure than just the one snap. The Blackhawk clips can fail, but I've never seen them do so. I do have some more secure MOLLE attachment clips, but they tend to be a pain to use, so the Blackhawk clips make a good compromise.

(https://i.imgur.com/k87lKW4.jpg)


You can see the tip of the clip peeking up in this next photo. And you can see how the velcro closure flap on the sheath sits off at an angle when the bit set is also stored in the sheath.

(https://i.imgur.com/32k3PqR.jpg)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 12, 2018, 03:29:30 AM
Looking forward to seeing how the PAD does for you out there, Nix! :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 12, 2018, 03:35:29 AM
I am not, usually, one to rock the boat. But, curiousoty got the best of me today.

I made a crappy video (three parts, because I suck at youtube) about the file. If you dare to see what happens with the file, please feel free to watch. :)

Part 1:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ls5kkgQ_RKY
Part 2:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p_muxRa6jXE
Part 3:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mYvZ5EsPaA4

Apologies for the video being crappy. I am not a youtube person. :ahhh

Edit: I think that qualifies as using the file. One more checked off. And I just realized I hadn't used the medium driver yet! Will do that one tomorrow.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 12, 2018, 12:26:21 PM
Nice test GLBM  :cheers:
I will try that and use the file from the LM Supertool
For comparison and take some pics  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 12, 2018, 12:52:17 PM
You guys are well ahead of me........  :-\

But I'll catch up!

 :multi:

have a very nice trip!  :cheers:


Quote
Thanks GLBM  :cheers:
The cutters still work perfectly
I haven’t had any problems with cutting  :tu:

not that I didn't tell you, before cutting the nail, that your cuters would probably be damaged like my SOG PL suffered, and I even provided pics of the damage on mine!  :twak:  which was very similar to what happened in your PAD cutters.

As a side note, I watched some reviews on the PowerPint and it looks like the same problems (semi bad locks with wiggle, horrible scissors as typical from SOG, etc.) that other modern SOGs have are still there,  :P

but surprisingly the blade on it seemed very good compared to that of the PAD,  :tu:
and the file seems to be excellent!!  :ahhh :D  So it seems that even newer Chinese SOGs can have good, working files and not this pseudo-nail scraping implement  ::)  As to why SOG didn't put it in this tool, who knows  ???
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 12, 2018, 03:17:13 PM
Nice test GLBM  :cheers:
I will try that and use the file from the LM Supertool
For comparison and take some pics  :tu:
Thank you, W! I look forward to reading your report. :cheers:

As far as the file on my particular PAD goes, I have had to admit that I stuck my foot in my mouth in public. It is pretty embarrassing.  :rofl:
It is in no way a "good" or even "mediocre" file, but (at least in my case) it did work. :ahhh
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 12, 2018, 03:27:15 PM
Nice test GLBM  :cheers:
I will try that and use the file from the LM Supertool
For comparison and take some pics  :tu:
Thank you, W! I look forward to reading your report. :cheers:

As far as the file on my particular PAD goes, I have had to admit that I stuck my foot in my mouth in public. It is pretty embarrassing.  :rofl:
It is in no way a "good" or even "mediocre" file, but (at least in my case) it did work. :ahhh
I am really surprised that you got the file to work
And I want to test the file on aluminium
As you tested mild steel and wood with ok results
I will see if I can do the test tomorrow  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ReamerPunch on June 12, 2018, 04:33:42 PM
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I am not, usually, one to rock the boat. But, curiousoty got the best of me today.

I made a crappy video (three parts, because I suck at youtube) about the file. If you dare to see what happens with the file, please feel free to watch. :)

Part 1:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ls5kkgQ_RKY
Part 2:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p_muxRa6jXE
Part 3:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mYvZ5EsPaA4

Apologies for the video being crappy. I am not a youtube person. :ahhh

Edit: I think that qualifies as using the file. One more checked off. And I just realized I hadn't used the medium driver yet! Will do that one tomorrow.

Thanks for taking the time to record and upload these.  :salute:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: RF52 on June 12, 2018, 05:03:04 PM
Great challenge and pics guys And good idea with the checklist

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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 12, 2018, 05:31:09 PM
Show content
I am not, usually, one to rock the boat. But, curiousoty got the best of me today.

I made a crappy video (three parts, because I suck at youtube) about the file. If you dare to see what happens with the file, please feel free to watch. :)

Part 1:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ls5kkgQ_RKY
Part 2:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p_muxRa6jXE
Part 3:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mYvZ5EsPaA4

Apologies for the video being crappy. I am not a youtube person. :ahhh

Edit: I think that qualifies as using the file. One more checked off. And I just realized I hadn't used the medium driver yet! Will do that one tomorrow.

Thanks for taking the time to record and upload these.  :salute:
:hatsoff:

I am really surprised that you got the file to work
And I want to test the file on aluminium
As you tested mild steel and wood with ok results
I will see if I can do the test tomorrow  :tu:
I look forward to reading about your experience with SOG-filing aluminum. Primarily, because it clogs(for my lack of a better term) even the best files in short order. :ahhh

Whatever the results, please don't file them away. :D
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 12, 2018, 05:32:42 PM
Great challenge and pics guys And good idea with the checklist
Thank you, RF52!
Nix did a stellar job with creating the checklists. It seems to have made the challenge feel very official-feeling. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 12, 2018, 05:47:30 PM
Yes this could be interesting to see what will happen
I am going to use the LM Supertool file for comparing
The SOG PAD file on the same aluminium
This way I will have a better idea if the file works or not  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 12, 2018, 07:55:34 PM
Day 12

Not wanting to steal your thunder Wspeed, but great minds think alike, it seems... I've just finished a quick comparison between a loose LM Supertool 300 file and the one on the PAD, on a piece of aluminium.

Verdict: even loose, i.e. with no handle, the ST file works better than the one on the PAD (i.e. with a sizable handle), I'd estimate about twice to three times as well in terms of abrasive qualities per unit of transversal force applied. No surprise, but... having said that... what is surprising is that even the PAD file works, after a fashion, despite only the most minimal of grooves and the entire absence of any apex worthy of the name between them.



Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 12, 2018, 08:02:47 PM
Nice one DT  :tu:
Do you think that the Supertool 300 file
Would be able to fit the PAD
Is there enough metal on the pivot end
To copy the PAD file pivot profile  :think:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 12, 2018, 08:24:46 PM
Thank you for checking on it as well, DT!

The PA/PAD file is a perplexing phenomenon. It seems that we really jumped into presumption, if it turns out, that most (if not all) of our PADs have a barely mediocre file (and not useless ). We must go back and reevaluate some assertions I think.  :think:

But, all in all, I cannot say I am upset. This makes the file usable. :)

Now, I start to ponder, is it better or worse than a file on a "seriously" low quality MT? Say, an Ozark Trail $3.88 MT, perhaps?
I shall endeavor to test this possibility before the challenge is completed.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 12, 2018, 08:34:27 PM
For the challenge day 12:

1) Used the plain edge blade to cut splintered wood and dried wood glue out of a poorly repaired foot on this cedar chest. I cut stuff out until I had two flush surfaces to glue back properly.
2) I tried out the medium driver on the bottle opener. I drove four wood screws into cedar foot-support blocks with it.  I did make starter holes with the awl to make it easier. The piece pictured is the one glued back together.
Thankfully only one foot was jacked up, because it took several hours to get it all sorted. :ahhh

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 12, 2018, 08:36:53 PM
Day 12

Wow was it difficult to get some old
style cans with something I like to eat
It looks like it won’t be long and all cans will have a ring pull
And the can opener will be obsolete  :ahhh

For the test I bought 3 cans
2 normal size tins and 1 large tin
Now I can tick all three task boxes for
Opening the cans in one day  :D

The can opener works but it is more
Like just puncturing the tin
I had 3 tins to test and I tried different
ways to open the tins but couldn’t get the
Tin opener to work any better
All I got was butchered tins

I am left handed and have no problem
using the SAK or LM can opener
Looking at the can opener you can see
it’s got no proper cutting edge and it’s very blunt

Now I have tested the can opener I
will have a go at reshaping the opener
I can’t make it any worse I hope  :rofl:

I don’t really use a can opener
But it should work why put one
on the PAD if it doesn’t work
Or does SOG already know that
Cans will all be ring pull soon
So SOG can’t be bothered to make it work
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 12, 2018, 08:41:38 PM
Great job, W! I imagine that was arduous at best. :rofl:

 Only "good" can opener I have seen on a SOG is on the early ParaTool and PowerPlier. Those resembled the Leatherman can openers. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 12, 2018, 08:52:16 PM
Thanks GLBM  :cheers:
It wasn’t easy opening the cans
But got there in the end :tu:

It doesn’t look like a can opener will
be needed soon anymore it will be interesting
To see what companies will replace
The can opener with instead on their MT :think:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 12, 2018, 09:37:25 PM
Nice one DT  :tu:
Do you think that the Supertool 300 file
Would be able to fit the PAD
Is there enough metal on the pivot end
To copy the PAD file pivot profile  :think:

I'm thinking there might be... there remains the fact that the file proper would have to be made lower-profile as well, and I don't know how the steel's tempering would react to a cutting disc being put to it...

Good job on the cans as well - looks like a battlefield. Methinks a grinding job cannot possibly make the opener worse :rofl:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 12, 2018, 09:43:31 PM
Thank you for checking on it as well, DT!

The PA/PAD file is a perplexing phenomenon. It seems that we really jumped into presumption, if it turns out, that most (if not all) of our PADs have a barely mediocre file (and not useless ). We must go back and reevaluate some assertions I think.  :think:

But, all in all, I cannot say I am upset. This makes the file usable. :)

Now, I start to ponder, is it better or worse than a file on a "seriously" low quality MT? Say, an Ozark Trail $3.88 MT, perhaps?
I shall endeavor to test this possibility before the challenge is completed.  :cheers:

:hatsoff:

:popcorn:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 12, 2018, 09:53:57 PM
Nice one DT  :tu:
Do you think that the Supertool 300 file
Would be able to fit the PAD
Is there enough metal on the pivot end
To copy the PAD file pivot profile  :think:

I'm thinking there might be... there remains the fact that the file proper would have to be made lower-profile as well, and I don't know how the steel's tempering would react to a cutting disc being put to it...

Good job on the cans as well - looks like a battlefield. Methinks a grinding job cannot possibly make it worse :rofl:
Thanks DT  :cheers:
I think cutting the file will be fine  :tu:
If the file has enough metal to make it fit
Than I would definitely try and make the file work :D

I don’t think I can make the can opener
Any worse than it already is right now
It would be nice for the can opener to work properly  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: powernoodle on June 13, 2018, 03:00:41 AM
why put one on the PAD if it doesn’t work

I really think they are just punking us. SOG knows full well what it is selling.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 13, 2018, 08:49:47 AM
So, the question begs to be asked, do those of you who used the can opener so far have experience using knife/mt can openers?  If so, a fair side by side with a SAK can opener would be more reasonable than just saying the sog can opener is garbage. Photos of a can opened with the pad next to a can opened with a sak. Seems only fair to me.
The pad can openers did work, seeing the photos. They are just not good at it(or difficult to use). In a pinch, it looks like it can do the job. And with practice, may get easier to use.
Just some food for thought, as I have observed, judging the PAD in absolute terminology isn't going to end with a fair and unbiased final result.
We have to keep the challenge grounded in reasonability and not emotion.
Adopting an absolute stance on multitool performance based on two tools is a very narrow in scope and fails to address any nuances that may shed some favorable light on it as a whole.

And PN,
It isn't a "punk". It boils down to poor design, resulting in the file and can opener not being "sak-like" in function.
Just, because something is mediocre, doesn't make it useless. The nuance being that the truth is somewhere in the middle.
You seem to present yourself as an authority on the PAD, but honesty, I don't think you had enough experience using it to make absolute claims about it.
Have you read over the file correction part of the thread yet? The file is actually useful on metal and wood. The perplexing phenomenon being that it feels/looks smooth and doesn't work well on fingernails. But, it sure seems to work on harder materials. Even the notching side.

I know crapping on stuff is an international past time, but I would like to see this thread end up being objectively true and not riddled with absolute false assertions.
Ex. Instead of saying the can opener is garbage, try discussing if it can be used in an emergency.
Whatever. Too tired to type anymore. :ahhh
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 13, 2018, 02:12:42 PM
Day 13

I tested the file Today on the SOG PAD and yes it works
Looks like we are wrong about the file
I tested aluminium 3mm thick

I tested the PAD first I had no problems removing
The burr using the cross cut side
Than I used the same side of the file
To chamfer the edge again no problems

Then I used the fine side of the file
To remove the corner of the aluminium
Again it worked but the groove on the file
Got in the way when trying to
remove the point on the corner

I tested my LM Supertool with the same aluminium
And yes it was easier to remove material not by much

But I didn’t have much luck using the thin side
Of the file on the PAD hardly did anything
And couldn’t show this up in a pic

So yes the SOG PAD has got a file that works
Maybe not the best and that groove cut out
Is not useful as it gets in the way filing thinner metal

I tried to get some pics but have bad lighting
So hopefully you can see what I did on the aluminium
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 13, 2018, 03:19:31 PM
Awesome comparison, W! :cheers:

It is mind boggling that the SOG file works as it does. One would think, the fact it hardly works on fingernails, it means it wouldn't work on harder materials at all. Does not compute...does not compute. :ahhh

Now, I must admit, I flew to everyone's house in each respective time zone/geographic location and replaced all of your PA/PAD files with ones that work while you were sleeping. :D



Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 13, 2018, 03:28:45 PM
I am surprised it works and will
have to apologise for my rant  :facepalm:
But it’s not the best file especially the thin side of the file
So there are improvements to be made to make it a good file  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 13, 2018, 06:13:43 PM
Day 13

A comparison shot only, today. The PAD is fully as long and wide as the ST300...

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 13, 2018, 10:20:11 PM
Day 13:
Did a quick polish on a tea set. Didn't use the PAD for anything on the tea set. Just thought it would be a neat pic. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 14, 2018, 02:02:59 PM
Day 14

Today I had to use the plain blade
To open this special package from SOG

When I received my warranty PAD
I was charged by customs £20 Or $26
Which I didn’t think was fair
And SOG didn’t think that was fair
The only way they could refund me was in dollars
Or we can send you the pocket version of the PAD
I said yes please I will be happy with the pocket version
But didn’t know what model MT they were talking about
I didn’t want to ask SOG as I thought it would
be a nice surprise when I get the package

So after having a coffee and stopped shaking
I opened the package to be very surprised
With what I saw when I removed the brown paper
A very nice SOG Power Access, I wasn’t expecting that
I straight away checked out all the tools and
everything works so I am very happy
SOG thank you very much for all your help  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 14, 2018, 02:11:01 PM
How nice! So now you get to complete two checklists  >:D
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: RF52 on June 14, 2018, 02:21:59 PM
That is some great customer service

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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 14, 2018, 02:25:18 PM
Day 14

Meanwhile, I know that throughout this challenge all of you have been itching to finally learn how long that cool LED light is that I keep in the PAD sheath's side loop.

After making a high-precision attempt, followed by some liberal extrapolation (the PAD's ruler is -just- too short) I conclude that the answer you have all been waiting for, is...







90 mm!




Stay tuned, and watch the next three episodes to learn:
- the light's length in inches (I have a cunning plan for this that I will not yet reveal)
- the light's diameter in mm
- the same in inches
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 14, 2018, 02:37:11 PM
That is some great customer service

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Excellent customer service  :D
I can’t fault SOG they have been excellent  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 14, 2018, 02:40:28 PM
I just checked the ruler on the PAD
And it goes to 23 cm as it
carries on to the other handle
Just no read out from 9cm to 14cm :think: :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 14, 2018, 04:05:45 PM
That is awesome, W! I do like the regular PowerAcces. :)

Nice pics guys!

DT,
I would have cheated by marking a first set of measurements at a point and measuring again from there. It wouldn't be very accurate.  But, accuracy is work and, I am a bit lazy.  :P
Hats off to your being accurate.  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 14, 2018, 04:21:18 PM
Thanks GLBM  :cheers:
I like the SOG PA a lot
Even the file looks better  :D :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 14, 2018, 04:25:56 PM
That is awesome, W! I do like the regular PowerAcces. :)

Nice pics guys!

DT,
I would have cheated by marking a first set of measurements at a point and measuring again from there. It wouldn't be very accurate.  But, accuracy is work and, I am a bit lazy.  :P
Hats off to your being accurate.  :hatsoff:

Thanks (I think :D)

Actually, the PAD's ruler seems pretty accurate (in points where it indicates anything, that is), I've just laid it along a real fixed ruler and the markings match.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 14, 2018, 04:26:48 PM
Thanks GLBM  :cheers:
I like the SOG PA a lot
Even the file looks better  :D :like: :like:

That file... could you transpose it to the PAD?
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 14, 2018, 04:33:55 PM
Thanks GLBM  :cheers:
I like the SOG PA a lot
Even the file looks better  :D :like: :like:

That file... could you transpose it to the PAD?
As far as I can see it’s exactly the same
file and so are the pivot side cutouts for the lock  :D :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 14, 2018, 05:13:56 PM
The early PA had a mediocre file, but maybe they have remedied that.

The PA and PAD have the same tools (at least in terms of what is in the PA's smaller toolset. Ex. The PA has no saw...etc), except for the cutting blades, of which the PAD has longer cutting blades.

Thank you for cheking on the ruler, DT! It was a compliment calling you accurate. :cheers:

W,
I forgot to mention! Congrats on getting the PA! That was excellent CS on SOG's part. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 14, 2018, 05:24:06 PM
The early PA had a mediocre file, but maybe they have remedied that.

W,
I forgot to mention! Congrats on getting the PA! That was excellent CS on SOG's part. :)
Thanks GLBM  :cheers:
I can’t fault SOG for their C/S :tu:
It’s still the same file but the grooves seem slightly deeper
And the thin side of the file has been cut better
Should be able to remove metal
not like on the PAD where all I got are just scratched lines :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 14, 2018, 06:51:22 PM
Excellent. :cheers:


Day 14:
Taking a break out in front of the store.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 15, 2018, 01:41:43 AM
You guys have been busy while I've been away!   :tu:

I'm sorry, but my file is still a piece of junk. I didn't test it against aluminum, but it barely notches a tin can and was useless trying to 'sharpen' the point of a nail. These are tasks that an actual file can do easily. But, nice work, WSpeed, demonstrating that aluminum is workable with the file. How that can be is a mystery, but it was good to see there is some use for the file.  :tu:  :cheers:

I love the way you guys are engaged in testing the PAD!  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 15, 2018, 01:51:20 AM
Since I was gone and did not have cell phone access (woooo hooo!   :woohoo:), I must post some photos retrospectively.

We had a great trip up to Glacier NP, Montana is looking nice and green after a long Winter. Just on the drive up we saw numerous deer, some elk, and lots of birds. 

(https://i.imgur.com/ObTsMia.jpg)

Day 07:

The first night we set up camp and I decided to do a little cooking. I used the much maligned file to break up a fire starter and, in conjunction with a ferro rod, throw some good sparks to start a fire:

(https://i.imgur.com/rhUJzEg.jpg)

The sharp-eyed reader will notice that I'm using charcoal briquets. I did this because I was going to cook in a Dutch oven, and briquets give a little more predictability.

(https://i.imgur.com/6xeFY5R.png)

This worked out really well, and we had......brownies!  (Gotta keep Mrs Nix happy on camping trips.  :tu:)

(https://i.imgur.com/vo8KQH4.jpg)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 15, 2018, 02:01:14 AM
Day 08:

Fun day. We did some hiking and nature gazing. The SOG's main blade was useful for opening a package of nuts, shaving some wood for the evening fire, and for peeling and slicing a cucumber for sandwiches. I only took a shot of the cucumber prep:

(https://i.imgur.com/5xgQ44y.jpg)

I will say that the main blade performed well for peeling and slicing, as well as shaving some fine curls of wood for fire making. I don't like the blade's shape and edge geometry, but I have to admit that it performed very well on this trip.  :tu:

Cucumber on a camping trip? Yeah...... ;)....I have a nice cooler and I gotta keep Mrs Nix happy..... :tu:  Here's our little trailer that serves as base camp, notice how green the woods are!

(https://i.imgur.com/TjrsJmd.jpg)

A gratuitous shot from the lake we were able to hike to:

(https://i.imgur.com/hMIpcLs.jpg)

And from a little further down the lake shore.....

(https://i.imgur.com/T2MbS4A.jpg)




Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 15, 2018, 02:11:10 AM
Day 09:

Another fun day, but the weather turned a bit.


(https://i.imgur.com/C5Dgnq3.jpg)



We did see several animals in the park, including deer, elk, numerous ground squirrels, numerous birds, and a black bear. I was able to snap this shot of a yearling deer as we hiked through the woods:

(https://i.imgur.com/xuArlOz.jpg)

She had a sister nearby, but I didn't get a shot.


I love the Jet Boil camp stoves. I take one everywhere. However, once in a while, I tightened the butane control knob too much. The knob is small and can be a bit difficult to open with fat fingers. The SOG pliers provided just the right leverage to crack it open one morning when brewing up some tea:

(https://i.imgur.com/c47tzNO.png)


SOG awl awlso came in handy to poke a couple of vent holes in the water jug to let water flow out more easily:

(https://i.imgur.com/KZIEKn0.jpg)


Overall the SOG proven to be a useful tool in camp. I used it in several roles and it performed well. Even my odd use of the file was successful. I was car camping and the PAD's extra weight was no bother. I carried it either in a pocket or in it's sheath, attached to my day pack.  Overall, a solid 'A' in meeting my camp needs.  :tu:

(https://i.imgur.com/gle8nCP.jpg)

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 15, 2018, 03:42:39 AM
Beautiful pictures, Nix! Looks like you had a lovely trip!  :like:

W tested his file on aluminum, but did you see the video where I used it successfully on door-hinge steel? The file actually worked fine(all three sides on mine) and it still feels smooth to the touch. One of those cases where our inherent senses can fail us. DT successfully tested the file on his as well.

I used a 60x-100x magnifier to look at my PAD file and found the actual texture interesting. It peaked my curiosity to the point I made the video. My hunch was verified. The file was mediocre, but leaps & bounds better than "practically useless".
I ranked it a bit less than 50% effective than the LM Rebar file. It has been established that the PAD/PA file is generally useful on harder materials (not fingernails).
You may want to contact SOG and see if they will send you a new file, as the rest of us(still in the challenge) have confirmed the file is actually usable, contrary to initial assumptions.  :cheers:

Another day 14: the PAD is showb with the magnifier I used on the file before recording my file experiment.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 15, 2018, 03:55:59 AM
G-man, if you are satisfied with the file, I think that is great.

Me? Not so much. In my book, a clear SOG fail. And SOG should be embarrassed. I'll keep testing it, but, based on this one feeble attempt at a tool, I won't be buying another SOG product. Ever. Any company that would sell a tool of this poor quality hasn't earned my respect and won't earn my business again. I have no use for a company that sells junk.


(https://pics.me.me/fool-me-once-your-loss-end-of-story-15140053.png)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 15, 2018, 04:16:48 AM
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G-man, if you are satisfied with the file, I think that is great.

Me? Not so much. In my book, a clear SOG fail. And SOG should be embarrassed. I'll keep testing it, but, based on this one feeble attempt at a tool, I won't be buying another SOG product. Ever. Any company that would sell a tool of this poor quality hasn't earned my respect and won't earn my business again. I have no use for a company that sells junk.
Nix,
With due respect, I don't think it is fair to take an absolute stance based on the file on a single tool. The absolute stance here being that you said " I won't be buying another SOG product. Ever."
So, you're not going to see if you can get a replacement tool to find out if you got a dud?
It is a new model. Lots of teething going on with any new product. Alterations can be done and hopefully will be done.

In fact, I find it strange that people think in absolutes to be honest. :think:
Absolutes negate nuance and disregard everything else(even something that is overall a decent tool).
Find me a perfect MT. I dare ya. I'll explain why it has something wrong with it. ;)

If I am wasting my time trying to explain this, just let me know. That uploaded image says a lot. :facepalm:
I guess it isn't really relevant anyway, since the initial assumption was that the file was useless. Contrary evidence be damned. :viking:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 15, 2018, 06:23:06 AM
I guess it isn't really relevant anyway, since the initial assumption was that the file was useless. Contrary evidence be damned. :viking:

G-man, I like your forgiving attitude. That may prove to be the wiser stance over the long run.  :tu:

My initial assumption was that the file would be effective. But then I handled it and tested it. As I said, I'll continue to evaluate the file, but, as of right now, it is my perception that SOG has been willing to sell a poorly designed and manufactured tool to the public. Without any concerns about quality control. In my eyes, this discredits the company. Why buy SOG, when I can buy a good multitool from Victorinox or Leatherman?

Sure, I might complain, and SOG might send me a replacement. But even that is not satisfactory; they should get it right the first time. A decent QC program should have spotted my ridiculous file at the factory. What about the buyer who doesn't know better? That's the scam that SOG appears to be running. Rip off most customers with a cheap tool at the cost of a few replacements for those who complain. They'll call that a 'business model'; I call that a scam. Failure to provide a decent---and I emphasize 'decent'--file in a multitool that claims to have a file blade is completely unacceptable. Call this an absolute if you will, but I see this as a minimum standard. LM doesn't have the fit and finish of Victorinox, but it's still a great tool. I'm willing to accept compromise as long as a minimum standard is met. With the file (and the can opener) SOG doesn't. I won't buy another SOG product because I don't need to. I can start with a company that believes in quality right from the start. That's not so much an 'absolute' as it is a pragmatic approach to spending my limited tool budget. "Fool me once, shame on you......"

You mention 'evidence to the contrary'. I haven't seen it. I have tested my file on wood and metal and it is next to useless. I'm delighted that your file seems to work better. Are you now saying that the PAD file is as good as a Victorinox file or Leatherman file? I'd find that interesting, but even still, not convincing. I can tell you mine is a piece of junk, although it did seem to work fairly well as a ferro-rod striker. And I did use it to clean out a bird feeder. But those aren't tasks that one needs a file for.

Add the lame can opener to the file issues, and SOG's poor design and impoverished manufacturing standards leave me just plain cold. Like I said before, after owning this 'tool' for just a month or so, I'd never buy a SOG product again. I no longer trust SOG. Period.

I don't think this tool will prove to be very durable either. I note here that Wspeed's nail cutting test--an extreme test, to be sure--resulted in a damaged tool. I'm seeing quality issues throughout this tool's manufacture. Reference also the fact that Wspeed had to return his first PAD for replacement before even starting the challenge. Out of the 5 MTo'ers in this thread who have owned PADs, 1 required replacement and 1 was returned for refund. That's a 40% failure rate. Aside from MLB batters, there are few careers where that is considered to be good.

I like that you appear to be optimistic and predisposed to give SOG the benefit of the doubt with respect to the PAD. At least in part, you are keeping me motivated for this challenge. And if you continue to be satisfied with the PAD and the file's performance, I hope you will continue to advocate for it. It is wonderfully useful for us to disagree about this and offer potential users different perspectives. I seriously doubt SOG will read this thread or care about our perceptions, but you and I may provide some useful data points for other MTo members. So, let's keep evaluating and comparing observations.  :tu:

Tomorrow, I will try to sharpen an axe with the PAD's file and with a standard file. This is a simple task that any decent file must be able to do.

Any predictions on how successful I'll be? Maybe I will have to eat my words........I kind of hope so, but I won't lose any sleep over it.

Keep up the fight, G-man!  :tu:  :salute:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 15, 2018, 08:01:17 AM
Quote from: Nix

G-man, I like your forgiving attitude. That may prove to be the wiser stance over the long run.  :tu:
My life outlook requires a certain flexibility. I am always willing to consider a differing opinion or contrary facts. And sometimes alter mine in light of something more sensible. I never expect others to feel the same way though. Everyone has developed a system for navigating life and who am I to ultimately say who's right or wrong in that sense? I generally approach things asking myself "could I be wrong or misinformed?". I guess it could be attributed to a borderline unhealthy amount of empathy. Like other's world views serve them well, the one I use to navigate life has served me well.
Don't get me wrong though, I am not on the street corners buying snake oil all day. :rofl:
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My initial assumption was that the file would be effective. But then I handled it and tested it. As I said, I'll continue to evaluate the file, but, as of right now, it is my perception that SOG has been willing to sell a poorly designed and manufactured tool to the public. Without any concerns about quality control. In my eyes, this discredits the company. Why buy SOG, when I can buy a good multitool from Victorinox or Leatherman?
I see your point and tend to agree. However, I try to keep in mind that even LM and Vic have sold tools that shouldn't have passed their strenuous QC.
Example 1: Several of my LMs, purchased brand new, were so stiff from the factory that I am not sure a normal person could have utilized the tool. Not as severe as a poorly cut file, but LM claims to be excessive with QC. SOG makes few(if any) claims about their QC. It isn't an excuse for it, but I hold a company who proclaims their perfection,  to a much higher standard than a company who doesn't.
Example 2: I have two SAKs with the newer clear magnifier mount (post 2005) and have experienced the lense "popping" out with no reason for it to do so. Vic claims incredible levels of QC and still sold tools with a know weakness.
Using the logic you stated in a general sense (not concise), I should not buy a LM or Vic product ever again. :-\
Good thing is that I am a collector and will probably keep buying from most of the brands. However, I do not hesitate to return a tool and call the company to smurf at them.
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Sure, I might complain, and SOG might send me a replacement. But even that is not satisfactory; they should get it right the first time. A decent QC program should have spotted my ridiculous file at the factory. What about the buyer who doesn't know better? That's the scam that SOG appears to be running. Rip off most customers with a cheap tool at the cost of a few replacements for those who complain. They'll call that a 'business model'; I call that a scam. Failure to provide a decent---and I emphasize 'decent'--file in a multitool that claims to have a file blade is completely unacceptable. Call this an absolute if you will, but I see this as a minimum standard. LM doesn't have the fit and finish of Victorinox, but it's still a great tool. I'm willing to accept compromise as long as a minimum standard is met. With the file (and the can opener) SOG doesn't. I won't buy another SOG product because I don't need to. I can start with a company that believes in quality right from the start. That's not so much an 'absolute' as it is a pragmatic approach to spending my limited tool budget. "Fool me once, shame on you......"
I understand your position here and there isn't much of an argument that could contradict the position.
However, you could take another route. Maybe purchase one of their tools that has a proven track record for a standard of quality? Such as the PowerLock?
The original PowerAccess was known to have serious problems (though they seem to have rectified many of) and we knew, before buying them, the Deluxe was the same platform (although scaled up) with identical same-tools to the PA (aside from the cutting blade). Knowing this, we still bought the PADs. Wouldn't a better approach have been to use what we know to buy something that isn't known to be faulty? Such as a PowerLock.
You could say you weren't aware of the non-deluxe PA's problems and I would grant that, but you did know the PAD was a brand new original design that wasn't based on any pre-existing chasis. Which would make it inherently unproven in real world usage. Gerber has been down this road more than SOG and has never apologized for it. Couldn't we give the same benefit of the doubt that Gerber was given? Gerber pulled themselves out of the gutter. Couldn't SOG do the same? I am hoping SOG will do so. Gerber had at least ten engineering failures and the customers spoke out and returned the junk enough that Gerber eventually listened.
The PA/PAD is a VAST improvement over the PowerDuo, PowerPlay, and 'new' MicroToolClip in terms of quality and fit & finish. SOG is trying and it does show. At least they are innovating. Vic and LM are basically stagnant in terms of design and innovation. Adding scissors to a Pioneer isn't innovative. Re-releasing the PST and charging $200+ is highway robbery and not innovative in the least.
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You mention 'evidence to the contrary'. I haven't seen it. I have tested my file on wood and metal and it is next to useless. I'm delighted that your file seems to work better. Are you now saying that the PAD file is as good as a Victorinox file or Leatherman file? I'd find that interesting, but even still, not convincing. I can tell you mine is a piece of junk, although it did seem to work fairly well as a ferro-rod striker. And I did use it to clean out a bird feeder. But those aren't tasks that one needs a file for.
No, I said in my previous post and the video that I rated the PAD file (the one on my PAD) as a bit less than 50% as effective as the LM Rebar file.
The Rebar file is arguably the most aggressive file on any big-name MT, so that isn't a strong negative for the SOG PA file in my book. I would rate the Vic Spirit file about 80% as aggressive as the Rebar file. Most MT files aren't as nicely cut. Example: my subjective surmission is that the ST300 file is only 15%-20% more aggressive than the PAD file. These ratings are only for my perceived aggressiveness of the files. I am not accounting for length, shape, or thickness here.
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Add the lame can opener to the file issues, and SOG's poor design and impoverished manufacturing standards leave me just plain cold. Like I said before, after owning this 'tool' for just a month or so, I'd never buy a SOG product again. I no longer trust SOG. Period.
Not many MTs have a decent can opener. I would prefer a P38 over any MT can opener. It isn't about how good or bad an MT can opener is. It is about which one sucks more. SOG just happens to hang at the end of that metaphorical rope.
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I don't think this tool will prove to be very durable either. I note here that Wspeed's nail cutting test--an extreme test, to be sure--resulted in a damaged tool. I'm seeing quality issues throughout this tool's manufacture. Reference also the fact that Wspeed had to return his first PAD for replacement before even starting the challenge. Out of the 5 MTo'ers in this thread who have owned PADs, 1 required replacement and 1 was returned for refund. That's a 40% failure rate. Aside from MLB batters, there are few careers where that is considered to be good.
Abuse tests do not count in real life, because cutting hardened nails is not something any company says the tool is deigned for and isn't likely to be done in real life. I know Tim L. stood on a PST to cut a nail, but that is just ridiculous in my opinion and seems desperate to instill a false sense of grandeur about a tool to people who don't know any better.
The PAD file works for a majority of us that still have one to test. PN's observations were presupposed and short-lived(see his rating system). He returned his PAD having only rubbed his fingers/finger nails on the file. He cannot go back and properly test the file in accordance to what we now know, so his returning it doesn't count as inherent failure in any way.
We're left with a spring tempering problem that was promptly rectified and one person with a file that doesn't work.
The only general issue we can all confirm is that the can opener that is difficult to use.
Your numbers don't really apply with everything laid out in this thread. The only way around that is to look at it through an absolute position. There are too many facets at this point to do that though.  IMO of course.
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I like that you appear to be optimistic and predisposed to give SOG the benefit of the doubt with respect to the PAD. At least in part, you are keeping me motivated for this challenge. And if you continue to be satisfied with the PAD and the file's performance, I hope you will continue to advocate for it. It is wonderfully useful for us to disagree about this and offer potential users different perspectives. I seriously doubt SOG will read this thread or care about our perceptions, but you and I may provide some useful data points for other MTo members. So, let's keep evaluating and comparing observations.  :tu:
First here: I must agree with your assertion that SOG will not see this or give it much thought. That is sad, but true. I will reserve final positioning on it though, because we could be wrong. SOG did listen about the PowerDuo and PowerGrab.
I've always enjoyed reading your posts, Nix. It is always helpful for people to express their thoughts in an intelligible sense. A lot of people will just say "it sucks" or "blah blah", but this thread has proven to be the most informative and interesting challenge I have participated in or read since joining Mt.o.
Thank you very much for having this discussion with me, Nix. It definitely has me thinking about the PAD more than any other MT I've ever owned, even if it isn't all that deserving of such. :cheers:
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Tomorrow, I will try to sharpen an axe with the PAD's file and with a standard file. This is a simple task that any decent file must be able to do.
Any predictions on how successful I'll be? Maybe I will have to eat my words........I kind of hope so, but I won't lose any sleep over it.
Good luck, Nix! I think, knowing you haven't been able to file tin, you won't have much luck though. Haha.
I do know I could likely do it with my PAD file. A QC consistency issue,  from all I have gathered, will be your main problem in using THAT file. I urge you to contact SOG and see if they will send you a replacement file. W mentioned the new PA he received had a usable file. Maybe SOG has rectified the file on the PAD as well, since it shares the same file with the PA.
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Keep up the fight, G-man!  :tu:  :salute:
Same to you!
 :hatsoff: and  :salute:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 15, 2018, 01:41:37 PM
interesting read Nix and GLBM  :like:
I agree with both of you
Yes it should be a good MT from the start
And should have tools that work properly
I also think SOG needs to improve on Q/C
But I have been reading on the MTO forum
About problems with the Leatherman MTs
And I got the SAK Spartan with a bend
corkscrew from new

But getting back to the PAD I think it’s a great tool
Everything does seem to work
It’s just the can opener that is not
been finished properly and the file
Again looking at the pics of the file
That we all posted there are a lot of
Different finishes to the same file
and they should all be the same cut
The same with the can opener I have
now looked at 3 SOG can openers
2 PAD and 1 PA and all 3 had a different cutting edge  :think:

I just can’t make my mind up if I
Could recommend the SOG PAD to a friend
And this comes mainly down to Q/C

But the challenge isn’t over yet so plenty more tools to use and test :salute:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 15, 2018, 02:15:53 PM
Day 15

Today we finally got the new bulb delivered
It was on day 5 that our bathroom light stopped working
So this morning I finally got to fit the light and screw
the cover back on with the Philips driver

No problems using the Philips driver
I just wish it didn’t have that shape
A straight Philips driver would be better  :salute:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 15, 2018, 02:18:51 PM
my opinon on this matter is the folowing and worth what you paid for it  :D

I agree with WSpeed in that you both (Nix and GLBM) have valid points  :salute: 

True is that SOG should once for all straighten their QC issues  ??? and this tool could have been just another QC problem, but it was the straw that broke the camel's back after years of problematic tools.  :facepalm:
This was their opportunity to show that they care and take it seriously, but they miserably failed.

As a tool itself it might not be at all bad  :multi: and some things are innovative and admirable, but the fact that is the latest SOG and that they are very aware of the previous issues makes these mistakes harder to forgive now  :twak:

I am looking at SOG's future in a similar fashion to what happened to Gerber, Remington, or Smith and Wesson with their tools and knives:  :ahhh
20 years ago I'd have bought 7 out of 10 of their products, recommended the other 2, and ignore 1 of them.  :tu:
Nowadays it's the opposite, I'd buy 1 out of 10 of their catalog, recommend just 2 and ignore the other 7.  :P

hopefully they will change in time and before their customers start opening their wallets to their competition, they are hurting themselves with this.

Also, I am not in favor of absolutes (I've had tools with a particularly bad screwdriver, a badly heat treated blade or defective pliers and pivot, which were not representative of the model itself but just a single, odd fluke in the system) and I would not "refrain from every buying from that company again"  :o for just one product of one of their lines,  :think:

especially if it's a company that has got it right more times than it's got it wrong, and has a reputation built through time and good products. SOG is in my mind such type of company, and deserves another opportunity, even though if they keep this path they will lose even me  :(, a long time loyal customer, and I guess many others as well.  :pok:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 15, 2018, 02:36:07 PM
Thank you both, TP and W, for outlining each of your thoughts on the matter.

The question of recommendation is a great question. IMO
I must concede, in the light of certain problems (of being a lesser quality than it could have been and not just the can opener or inconsistent files), I would have to outline the reasons the PAD isn't a good investment before saying someone should try it out or not. But, after stating that to the person, I would say it is worth a try if LM, Vic, and Gerber don't appeal to them.
The PAD has a good set of features that is well-adapted to a lot of people. Outboard tools, compund lev pliers and it is light weight. I would recommend it to someone like myself who is seeking something different than the same old stuff the other brands keep peddling.
I would not recommend it to a naive person though. But, having said that, I wouldn't recommend most tools in the $50+ range to an MT naive person either.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 15, 2018, 03:08:18 PM
G-man, I continue to be impressed by your wonderfully thoughtful posts.  :cheers:

While I'm busy griping here (not having your sense of tact), let me add that with my PAD, I have great difficulty in opening just one tool without all the other tools in the handle coming out. For example, if I try to pull open the can opener, I get the blades, the drivers, and the cap lifter open. The little nail nicks down near the pivot point are very difficult for me (short finger nails) to open. I now take it as a matter of course that I have to pull open all the tools, select the one I want, and then close the other tools. This is not a feature I enjoy.

I, too, liked Wspeed's question asking about a recommendation. I can tell you I would not recommend the PAD for anyone right now. That could change, but based it's cheap build quality, I couldn't. On the other hand, I would not hesitate to recommend a LM Wave or Charge to anyone who needs a tool for serious work. This series of multitools has a great and proven track record and are really well thought out.

If my current PAD becomes lost, stolen, or damaged, I do not think I would replace it with another PAD. If you guys lost your PAD, would you replace it? If, yes, why?

Let's also, at this point in the challenge, ask a similar question: If you could own just one multitool, which multitool would you choose?  For me, the answer would be a Rebar (first) or Charge Al/Ti (close second). I love the Super Tool, but it's a bit big for EDC for me. I love the Spirit and that might be a recommendation as well.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 15, 2018, 03:20:47 PM
For me it’s a no to replacing the PAD if it was lost or stolen
I would only replace the PAD if SOG would
start using better quality checks to make sure
The tools work as they should
Q/C is my biggest problem with SOG
But I can’t fault SOG for their C/S :tu:

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 15, 2018, 04:04:31 PM
Thank you for the kind words, Nix!  :cheers:

Doesn't a Rebar have tool clumping? All three of mine do. Two tools (saw and file ) are awful to open as well on my Rebars. I usually chew up a fingernail if I'm not careful. The PAD does have clumping, but I find that necessary to get to some of the implements (such as the 1/4" drive and LG. Flat driver). I have used the nail ramps near the tangs, but the tools clump that way anyhow, so I skip the metaphorical middle-man and just grab at the easier tools (blades on one side and file/saw on the other) and select the one I need. The PAD spring system is quite smooth and makes it easy for me. Was the PAD supposed to be advertised as non-clumping? :think:

Anyway, on to the philosophical(I am going to call them that for no true reason. Haha) questions!
1)-from Nix
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If my current PAD becomes lost, stolen, or damaged, I do not think I would replace it with another PAD. If you guys lost your PAD, would you replace it? If, yes, why?
Yes, but for a different reason altogether. I need one for my SOG collection. :D
If I weren't a collector, I can honestly say, I would not likely buy it again. If it were $20, then yes I wouls, otherwise there are too many great tools out there. Even from SOG, the PowerLock is a tool I'd buy again, in those circumstances. :)
2)-from Nix
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Let's also, at this point in the challenge, ask a similar question: If you could own just one multitool, which multitool would you choose?
LM Surge with all of the goodies. For my line of work and prefrences, there isn't anything remotely as good as the LM surge.

I really like what TP said.
Quote from: ThePeacent
As a tool itself it might not be at all bad  :multi: and some things are innovative and admirable, but the fact that is the latest SOG and that they are very aware of the previous issues makes these mistakes harder to forgive now  :twak:

I am looking at SOG's future in a similar fashion to what happened to Gerber, Remington, or Smith and Wesson with their tools and knives:  :ahhh
20 years ago I'd have bought 7 out of 10 of their products, recommended the other 2, and ignore 1 of them.  :tu:
Nowadays it's the opposite, I'd buy 1 out of 10 of their catalog, recommend just 2 and ignore the other 7.

He has shown the position of not leaning toward any absolute viewpoint. I acknowledge he implies that could change, but also like the fact he is open to trying SOG again if the tool looks to be good.

When someone uses absolutes,  the burden of responsibility is negated. An absolute thinker goes to a restaurant and gets a bad meal. They just leave and never go back again. That is called passing the buck. The next people who go there will have wasted their money in a vicious cycle of buck passing. Only when everyone who would have ever eaten there or heard about it had decided not to go back will the restaurant know something is terribly wrong.  The responsible approach would entail, the first person who got a bad meal, going to the manager and telling them why it was bad.. That allows the restaurant to possibly fix the original problem, lessening the likelyhood others will waste their time/money there.
In short, saying "I'll never again" is kind of an easy way out and to pass the Buck.
As far as SOG goes, would should avoid buying or outright recommending the PAD specifically(although I do recommend it to collectors). Moving on, I think we should not discount the company as a whole,  but we should discount the particular tool (or the qc issues with it).
Truth be told, most MT makers have made worse stuff than the PAD, so I keep that in mind.
When a new MT enthusiast reads an absolute statement about a brand as a whole, then they may not understand that is was one file on one tool and a can opener that made you disown the company as a whole.
With that logic, I should never buy another Vic product, because of W's bent corkscrew or my mag lenses popping out.
We both know it isn't that simple.
Your comments about never trying SOG again will forever be in the search results for SOG tools. People who don't know better may never try a good SOG product, because of your one bad file and our lame can openers.
Absolute positions are very bad, especially within a species that generally has a herd mentality. Once one sees a problem, the rest think they see it to. I'd like people to not buy the PAD(as it stands, but I think it isn't bad), and spend the same money on a PowerLock instead if they can't reason out buying a PAD. I wish people to keep trying SOG, but don't buy the MTs with known issues until the issues have been rectified.  Recommend the proven models in SOG's line when someone shows interest in SOG.:)

For the record: I like the PAD as a whole. The only problem mine has is an inferior can opener. Everything else is has performed satisfactorily so far. Final judgement on the PAD pending completion of the challenge. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 15, 2018, 04:38:33 PM
I totally agree with your for the record statement
And I am the same as you with giving companies a fair chance
If we would all listen to the problems mentioned on this forum
About any MT we wouldn’t have bought any of them

So yes the can opener isn’t the best
Same with the file but on most it does work
I am not giving up on SOG
But will be watching to see if they are going
to improve on their Q/C before buying any more SOG products
As I do agree with Nix that if you call
something a file than it should work as a file
To me looking at all the pics of the file they
are all slightly different with the depth of the cut
If you look at the thin side of the file on my PAD
It’s only just been touched by the tooling in the factory

But when I checked the file on the PA
The depth of the cut is deeper
not great but better than on the PAD

And this is the same with the cutting edge of the can opener
So it could be a simple fix that the
tooling at the factory needs to be set up properly  :think: :pok:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 15, 2018, 04:53:20 PM
Thank you for the reply, w. :)

I think it boils down to the fact WE are the MT experts. Our responsibility is to make an objective list of faults. But, with that, also mention the good things.

I support Nix's right to never buy another SOG. I understand fully the reasons as well.
However, having said that, I am trying to convey that the PAD isn't THAT bad, so potential collectors/users will have both sides of the metaphorical coin. :)
I hope I am not coming off as rude or argumentative though. Please tell me if I am.  :ahhh
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 15, 2018, 05:27:22 PM

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Doesn't a Rebar have tool clumping? All three of mine do. Two tools (saw and file ) are awful to open as well on my Rebars. I usually chew up a fingernail if I'm not careful. The PAD does have clumping, but I find that necessary to get to some of the implements (such as the 1/4" drive and LG. Flat driver). I have used the nail ramps near the tangs, but the tools clump that way anyhow, so I skip the metaphorical middle-man and just grab at the easier tools (blades on one side and file/saw on the other) and select the one I need. The PAD spring system is quite smooth and makes it easy for me. Was the PAD supposed to be advertised as non-clumping? :think:



Yes, indeed. One of my criticisms of the Rebar to be sure. Once I handled the Vic Spirit I was spoiled.  ;)  It doesn't matter that the PAD wasn't advertised as being a tool-clumper or not a tool-clumper. It's an annoying trait. It's annoying in the Rebar, and it's annoying in the PAD. Note that this isn't much of an issue with true OHT's like the Wave or Charge or Surge.






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An absolute thinker goes to a restaurant and gets a bad meal. They just leave and never go back again. That is called passing the buck. The next people who go there will have wasted their money in a vicious cycle of buck passing. Only when everyone who would have ever eaten there or heard about it had decided not to go back will the restaurant know something is terribly wrong.  The responsible approach would entail, the first person who got a bad meal, going to the manager and telling them why it was bad.. That allows the restaurant to possibly fix the original problem, lessening the likelyhood others will waste their time/money there.
In short, saying "I'll never again" is kind of an easy way out and to pass the Buck.



This would seem to be it's own form of absolute thinking. If I eat at a restaurant and don't like the meal I may offer some feedback ("It was a bit bland.") or I may say nothing and just not return. I may also pass on my negative impressions to other potential dinners. There are many factors in how I approach the situation. I don't think this is 'passing the buck'. There may be some people who do like the food or service. But, I know that if enough people do not return to a restaurant, and word gets out that the food is bad, or a restaurant is not recommended, that that restaurant will fail. Restaurants fail everyday. If, in any business, you develop a bad reputation, you will have a hard time succeeding. Many companies elicit feedback for that very reason. Has SOG sent you a questionnaire asking for feedback? Me neither. 

As far as SOG goes, why would I risk buying another bad product when I have had a good experience with 7 Leatherman's and 1 Victorinox? (Gerber, not so much, but right now, if I had to chose between Gerber and SOG, I'd probably go with Gerber.) Why would I do SOG the favor of spending my time providing feedback directly to them? What? They sell me a defective tool and then expect me to do the QC and testing they should have done in the first place? I guess that's one way to save money--use your market for R&D and testing. That will only work though if the market sticks around. The burden is on SOG to provide a quality tool that builds customer loyalty, not on the consumer to help SOG do their work properly. And SOG can always visit this excellent forum and gather up customer impressions if they are actually interested.

Do I have an obligation to the public to provide feedback to SOG and not 'pass the buck'? That's an interesting question. Perhaps it would be more responsible of me to do as you say. However, I am providing frank and honest opinions here. These are only my opinions and do not constitute an absolute truth, but are open to anyone who cares to search for them. Do YouTube reviewers have an obligation to provide feedback to the manufacturers of the products they review? I don't know.

For me, some of this comes down to my perception of the company's attitude. I have avoided buying a Vic SAK with a mag lens because I do have reservations about their optics and the durability of the magnifier. But, my perception is that Vic does strive to make a quality tool. Their commitment to quality comes through with almost every knife and tool. SOG on the other hand has a reputation for mutlitools of a lower quality. They don't seem to be concerned with refining or improving the quality of their tools or their reputation. That this PAD is the newest in their line only reinforces that perception and is a real missed opportunity in my opinion. My impression, and it's just my impression, is that SOG is focused on marketing a cheaply made tool with gimmicks like compound leverage. They developed an interesting idea and are hoping that the novelty will carry their sales. I don't think the quality will. Since my perception is that the company doesn't actually care about their products, I find it hard to care about the company and I'm not inclined to provide feedback to them. With Victorinox, my perception is the opposite, I have taken the trouble to provide feedback and make recommendations.

I don't think it's fair of you to fault me for turning my back on SOG at this point. This is my reaction and I own it. I'm not saying it is right or that it makes me a good person (you sure seem like a good and kind person and an excellent role model.). Perhaps I'm letting my disappointment get the better of me, but at this point, I just don't care about SOG enough to be motivated to be better than I am.


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Moving on, I think we should not discount the company as a whole,  but we should discount the particular tool (or the qc issues with it).


Fair enough. I did have a SOG Seal Pup knife that I liked. It was a good knife. At the same time, I have to question the commitment of SOG to quality if they let a tool like this carry on their previous mistakes. "One bad apple......"  There are many good knife makers out there, I don't need to choose a SOG. And now, I probably won't.


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When a new MT enthusiast reads an absolute statement about a brand as a whole, then they may not understand that is was one file on one tool and a can opener that made you disown the company as a whole.
With that logic, I should never buy another Vic product, because of W's bent corkscrew or my mag lenses popping out.
We both know it isn't that simple.
Your comments about never trying SOG again will forever be in the search results for SOG tools. People who don't know better may never try a good SOG product, because of your one bad file and our lame can openers.

Well, we are seeing a trend here, not just one odd corkscrew that made it passed a usually rigorous QC process. And my list of concerns is longer than yours:

1. The sheath is poorly designed. It gives the impression that no one ever bother to put the knife in the sheath to see if it worked. While the sheath technically MOLLE compatible, it actually provides only one point of attachment and that is a bit sketchy. I think Wspeed has noted that his velcro is wearing out. Mine hasn't been used as much but the velcro feels a bit weak already.

2. The "Chisel" isn't a chisel. It isn't sharp. It may prove to be an adequate large flat driver or pry tool. I haven't tried it yet.

3. The file is just crap. Cutting aluminum is nice, but that is not a practical use for me for a file.

4. The can opener works, but is terrible. Poorly designed and poorly made.

5. The serrations on the serrated blade will be problematic to sharpen. The blade has worked fine, so far, but I foresee difficulty in resharpening it.

6. The medium driver on my cap lifter is rounded off. I have successfully used it, but I think this will be prone to slipping with heavier use. A nice squared off drive is just safer and more effective.

7. The saw works, but it is short for the space in the handle. It looks to me like they could have given me a saw that is 5-6mm longer, and therefore more effective

8. The Jeweler's driver on mine had a poor grind with a burr. I used a diamond stone to clean it up and I think it's a bit better now.

9. The springs that activate the locks appear to be flimsy and fragile (I thought I read that someone had their lock springs break already. I might be wrong.). This is a chief point of concern for me, and one of the reasons I question the tool's durability.

Some of these observations are either unfounded or are of a nit-picking nature. But they start to add up to a very negative impression overall, especially when we have a record of a few MTo'ers returning their PADs within a few days of receiving them.

This has been a great discussion, and, even if you haven't persuaded me to be nicer to SOG, I do like the way you think and your fundamental consideration. I promise to stay open minded as we continue the challenge.  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 15, 2018, 05:28:42 PM
The SOG PAD is not a bad tool
With just a few tweaks it would be a great MT
But this change has to come from SOG  :pok:

I gave Chris@SOG the link to this thread
But he hasn’t signed in to MTO since 11th of May
That doesn’t mean he hasn’t been on here
But would like to think he has had a look
It would have been nice if someone from SOG
Could say something about the PAD and what they think  :think:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 15, 2018, 06:34:09 PM
this thread just got really interesting  :multi:
This is just again my opinion

to address you all in general,
I also think that SOG believed in putting out the best quality and top notch product until the 2000s, when they saw Gerber's and Kershaws new success with Chinese imports and outsourced products,  ::)

they thought it was a clever move to drive production overseas and lower the price and QC standards to make a quick buck, reaching a wider audience (as opposed to their more serious buyers and aficionados from before) and "Wall-Marteing" their products like Gerber et al.

this brought up really crappy products (not that they didn't have those before like the PowerDuo, etc.) but in this case and unlike with the older failures, they said "well let's carry on with it, if it sells then great" and decided to "accept that a few will be sent back to us by more expert and less observant consumers" but most of their newfound customers couldn't or wouldn't catch most flaws as they were not really into the hobby and spending money on this kind of product  :surrender:

In the few instances when it was blatantly obvious or dangerous they retired or recalled the product (like Gerber's Parang machetes breaking etc.)  :facepalm: but otherwise they kept sending out cheap stuff for the most part trying to cut costs here and there (QC, finish and details, tolerances, steel and materials quality) and this is an ongoing thing that is going to hurt when it goes "BANG!"  :ahhh

Most of the older SOG fans and followers are deceived, the newcomers haven't seen any better than they have now so they believe it's and was the standard for SOG.  :(

And finally I also think that SOG is excusing many of these flaws and problems with their "We have the Compound Leverage!  :megaslap:" but their last patent for it expires this year, and if it happens like happened with LM and the expiring of Gerber's flick patent (giving immediate birth to the OHT) or Benchmade's AXIS patent (that expired this year and Hogue and others are already putting out folders with the lock) the competitors will soon copy and even improve the idea,  :o

to the point of doing better Compound Leverage tools that the ones from the company that invented them  :-\
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 15, 2018, 07:04:40 PM
Day 15

I promise, I'll read the very interesting discussion above in due time and may comment as well. For the moment you'll awl have to do with the pic below, in which I used the jeweler screwdriver to great effect to open a small remote control transmitter and replace the battery. That Phillips screw was little, and recessed, so no chance for any of the bits that come with the PAD.

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 15, 2018, 07:21:47 PM
Nice use, D_T!  :tu:

This is just again my opinion to address you all in general, I also think that SOG believed in putting out the best quality and top notch product until the 2000s, when they saw Gerber's and Kershaws new success with Chinese imports and outsourced products,  ::)

they thought it was a clever move to drive production overseas and lower the price and QC standards to make a quick buck, reaching a wider audience (as opposed to their more serious buyers and aficionados from before) and "Wall-Marteing" their products like Gerber et al.

El P, I think you made my point better than I did.  :facepalm:

My first SOG was the Paratool pictured below. I think it bought this tool in '92 or '93. Definitely before '94. Note the 'USA' stamp indicating point of manufacture.

(https://i.imgur.com/g92mQHW.jpg)

Aside from the bit drivers, the Paratool gives the PAd a good run for it's money. Well, especially for the money. Every single tool on the Paratool is better designed and made than it's counterpart on the PAD. The drivers have crisp edges, the knife has a better geometry (for me), the file is an actual file that works, the can opener is quite good and reminiscent of the old GI field knife style can opener, and the reamer is nice and pokey.

My one big criticism with the Paratool is the serrated blade. I've never used the serrated blade because these serrations look like a real smurf-fest to sharpen. So I leave the serrations sharp and have saved the blade for 'emergency use'.

I know some people have had difficulty with the angulation of the pliers head, but this has proven to be a real advantage for me once or twice.

Overall the SOG Paratool is a really nice tool and it replaced my Leatherman PST. I never looked back, really. The paratool now rides in my bicycle's tail bag where it gets used for small repair jobs and odd uses.

However, that was 1993 (or '94, I think..... :think:). In the last two decades, it would seem that a lot has changed. I would now be unlikely to replace this Paratool with a recently manufactured Paratool. I don't think the quality is as good as it used to be. Kinda sad, really.    :cry:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 15, 2018, 07:52:19 PM
Thanks Nix :tu: one has to make do, at times.

Day 15, part deux

That PE blade is sufficiently sharp...

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge!
Post by: Nix on June 15, 2018, 08:08:44 PM
Day 10:

OK, I'm afraid you guys are going to think I have an axe to grind........but I do!  :whistle:

(https://i.imgur.com/3XJFaQq.jpg)

In the above photo is pictured the PAD, a standard single-cut mill file, and my 'abuse axe'. This is the axe that I use for all those nasty jobs I don't want to do with my good axe. It gets used for everything from chopping ice to chopping into dirt to clear tree roots. Despite the rank abuse, it does pretty well.

I suspect the steel is relatively soft, which gives it it's resilient qualities, although it's hard enough to chip (you can see a chip if you look closely and cross your eyes.)

So I first tried the PAD's file to sharpen the axe. The single cut side did nothing. The file just skated over the edge and barely scratched it. I could have filed away all day and achieved nothing. This is a clean FAIL.

Just for grins, I tried using the double-cut side. I normall just use a single-cut to touch up the edge of this axe, but I didn't think the PAD's double-cut file could do any harm. And, mush to my surprise, it did scratch the metal edge a bit. I could see some small bits of metal being removed, the edge became brighter, and, I swear I'm not making this up, the edge did seem to be improved a bit.

(https://i.imgur.com/SuHC9T6.jpg)

Now, this took a long time to achieve and I don't think I could actually get good edge with this tool, but it did do something, which is more than I expected. I don't think I'd be able to remove an actualy chip in the blade with this, but, who knows? Perhaps with enough time it might serve the purpose. And this test does imply that the file was hardened to some degree (which I had begun to doubt).

As a counter-point, I used the mill file to actually sharpen the edge. The metal flew off in lovely fine slivers and I was able to reshape the edge fairly quickly. With a little care, I was able to raise a burr on the edge and then gently remove said burr. This resulted in a fairly sharp axe (not as sharp as a stone-sharpened axe, but a decent wood chopping edge.).

The contrast was huge. This is obviously to be expected since the file is dedicated to this purpose and much longer in length. But, it does illustrate the severe limitations of the PAD's file.

I'll try to find some additional tasks to use the file on as the challenge progresses.  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 15, 2018, 09:52:20 PM
Day 10 (continued):

Used the 'chisel' as a flat driver to adjust the tension on the lever cap screw on my Jack plane.

(https://i.imgur.com/v2T8233.jpg)


The 'chisel' was a bit small for this task, but it worked perfectly well.  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 15, 2018, 11:12:13 PM
Nix,
I haven't been able to read your reply yet (I am at work), but an looking forward to it. I did, however, see the axe pic and read only the cross cut side worked on your PAD file. I am not surprised it did, but am not surprised it was lackluster either. The single cut side of mine does function, although not as well as the cross cut side.

Here is my daily photo of the PAD with a few of my go to files at work. I tried to clean them before the photo, but one of them is just dark from age.
Will do some catch up reading this evening.  :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 15, 2018, 11:54:17 PM
Hey, G-man, no pressure here. We're just having fun. And there is still plenty of time left in the challenge.   :woohoo:  :multi:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 16, 2018, 12:46:09 AM
OK, I've been a bit negative about the SOG PAD recently, so I thought I'd share one feature that I think is very cool:

The PAD can be 'flicked' open with a sharp snap of the wrist.

The momentum of one handle swings the pliers open, add a little rotation, and the pliers are in hand, ready to use. Nice! Especially handy when one is fishing. Hey, that reminds me, I need to go fishing.......
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 16, 2018, 01:39:50 AM
Day 10 (continued):

Cap lifter works pretty well.  :tu:

(https://i.imgur.com/foi1dwc.jpg)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 16, 2018, 03:07:31 AM
Quote from: gerleatherberman
Doesn't a Rebar have tool clumping? All three of mine do. Two tools (saw and file ) are awful to open as well on my Rebars. I usually chew up a fingernail if I'm not careful. The PAD does have clumping, but I find that necessary to get to some of the implements (such as the 1/4" drive and LG. Flat driver). I have used the nail ramps near the tangs, but the tools clump that way anyhow, so I skip the metaphorical middle-man and just grab at the easier tools (blades on one side and file/saw on the other) and select the one I need. The PAD spring system is quite smooth and makes it easy for me. Was the PAD supposed to be advertised as non-clumping? :think:

Quote from: Nix
Yes, indeed. One of my criticisms of the Rebar to be sure. Once I handled the Vic Spirit I was spoiled.  ;)  It doesn't matter that the PAD wasn't advertised as being a tool-clumper or not a tool-clumper. It's an annoying trait. It's annoying in the Rebar, and it's annoying in the PAD. Note that this isn't much of an issue with true OHT's like the Wave or Charge or Surge.
Cannot argue with that. So true!
It amazes me that Leatherman backslid on the clumping. The Fuse, Blast, and Core had minimal clumping compared to the Rebar and ST300. This is an entirely different conversation and one I think we would agree on. Cheers!

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An absolute thinker goes to a restaurant and gets a bad meal. They just leave and never go back again. That is called passing the buck. The next people who go there will have wasted their money in a vicious cycle of buck passing. Only when everyone who would have ever eaten there or heard about it had decided not to go back will the restaurant know something is terribly wrong.  The responsible approach would entail, the first person who got a bad meal, going to the manager and telling them why it was bad.. That allows the restaurant to possibly fix the original problem, lessening the likelyhood others will waste their time/money there.
In short, saying "I'll never again" is kind of an easy way out and to pass the Buck.

Quote from: Nix

This would seem to be it's own form of absolute thinking. If I eat at a restaurant and don't like the meal I may offer some feedback ("It was a bit bland.") or I may say nothing and just not return. I may also pass on my negative impressions to other potential dinners. There are many factors in how I approach the situation. I don't think this is 'passing the buck'. There may be some people who do like the food or service. But, I know that if enough people do not return to a restaurant, and word gets out that the food is bad, or a restaurant is not recommended, that that restaurant will fail. Restaurants fail everyday. If, in any business, you develop a bad reputation, you will have a hard time succeeding. Many companies elicit feedback for that very reason. Has SOG sent you a questionnaire asking for feedback? Me neither. 

As far as SOG goes, why would I risk buying another bad product when I have had a good experience with 7 Leatherman's and 1 Victorinox? (Gerber, not so much, but right now, if I had to chose between Gerber and SOG, I'd probably go with Gerber.) Why would I do SOG the favor of spending my time providing feedback directly to them? What? They sell me a defective tool and then expect me to do the QC and testing they should have done in the first place? I guess that's one way to save money--use your market for R&D and testing. That will only work though if the market sticks around. The burden is on SOG to provide a quality tool that builds customer loyalty, not on the consumer to help SOG do their work properly. And SOG can always visit this excellent forum and gather up customer impressions if they are actually interested.

Do I have an obligation to the public to provide feedback to SOG and not 'pass the buck'? That's an interesting question. Perhaps it would be more responsible of me to do as you say. However, I am providing frank and honest opinions here. These are only my opinions and do not constitute an absolute truth, but are open to anyone who cares to search for them. Do YouTube reviewers have an obligation to provide feedback to the manufacturers of the products they review? I don't know.

For me, some of this comes down to my perception of the company's attitude. I have avoided buying a Vic SAK with a mag lens because I do have reservations about their optics and the durability of the magnifier. But, my perception is that Vic does strive to make a quality tool. Their commitment to quality comes through with almost every knife and tool. SOG on the other hand has a reputation for mutlitools of a lower quality. They don't seem to be concerned with refining or improving the quality of their tools or their reputation. That this PAD is the newest in their line only reinforces that perception and is a real missed opportunity in my opinion. My impression, and it's just my impression, is that SOG is focused on marketing a cheaply made tool with gimmicks like compound leverage. They developed an interesting idea and are hoping that the novelty will carry their sales. I don't think the quality will. Since my perception is that the company doesn't actually care about their products, I find it hard to care about the company and I'm not inclined to provide feedback to them. With Victorinox, my perception is the opposite, I have taken the trouble to provide feedback and make recommendations.

I don't think it's fair of you to fault me for turning my back on SOG at this point. This is my reaction and I own it. I'm not saying it is right or that it makes me a good person (you sure seem like a good and kind person and an excellent role model.). Perhaps I'm letting my disappointment get the better of me, but at this point, I just don't care about SOG enough to be motivated to be better than I am.
From my perspective, the opposing absolute to “never coming back” would be to “keep coming back, regardless of the terrible meals.” I feel like saying something to the manager and giving them a chance to make it right is more in the gray area of the metaphor. The metaphor, in hindsight, could be debated until the end of time. But, in a more focused sense, the metaphor was my attempt to simplify my stance and the discussion. I am doing all of this by typing on my phone. A laborious undertaking to say the least.
I like to conduct my interactions on a  case-by-case basis, so I generally struggle with accepting the fact that many people and businesses fail. If it seemed like I was foisting my opinion onto you, I apologize for that. My approach to things is definitely arduous at best and I am often left disappointed. But, with that said, I have never been able to watch someone(or the metaphorical restaurant) fall and not help them get back up to brush off their pants(I know this is not my responsibility, but I get an overwhelming feeling to help). I know, the metaphors are somewhat laborious to follow in the light that this entire discussion is about a multitool. Haha
Thank you for entertaining this discussion, Nix. Not many people would bother and your retorts are appreciated. You seem like a very pragmatic and reasonable person. I appreciate that, even if I tend to think that approach lacks a significant sense of empathy(I am not saying you are apathetic. I believe you’re a generally decent man, based on our interactions and your actions towards members here at mt.o). I kind of enjoy hearing and seeing things I don’t agree with. I guess that is what keeps life interesting.
The point we both agree on is that SOG should be paying close attention to this. Their longevity as a company is at stake and they don’t seem to be taking it as seriously as they should.
Too bad a lot of people(in the US and China) would ultimately suffer(lose jobs and income) if SOG doesn’t pay attention. In my opinion, SOG should consider this site(and this challenge in particular) as a free Beta-test and review the results and conclusions very carefully. And, if they learn from it, we won’t have to “beta-test” anymore tools(if they learn from this, they could create a spectacular tool).

No, you absolutely are not required to be responsible, if you choose not to take part. I can respect that, even when I would take a different path on the decision. Please do not my take the rambling in my previous post as saying your choice is ‘wrong’. It is just not the choice I would make. Like I said, I am overburdened with an unhealthy sense of empathy. A pragmatic person might say I’m a sucker, if they were to overlook my reasoning towards the issues. Like I said, I am not out there buying snake oil.
Quote from: gerleatherberman
Moving on, I think we should not discount the company as a whole,  but we should discount the particular tool (or the qc issues with it).

Quote from: Nix

Fair enough. I did have a SOG Seal Pup knife that I liked. It was a good knife. At the same time, I have to question the commitment of SOG to quality if they let a tool like this carry on their previous mistakes. "One bad apple......"  There are many good knife makers out there, I don't need to choose a SOG. And now, I probably won't.
:cheers:
Quote from: gerleatherberman
When a new MT enthusiast reads an absolute statement about a brand as a whole, then they may not understand that is was one file on one tool and a can opener that made you disown the company as a whole.
With that logic, I should never buy another Vic product, because of W's bent corkscrew or my mag lenses popping out.
We both know it isn't that simple.
Your comments about never trying SOG again will forever be in the search results for SOG tools. People who don't know better may never try a good SOG product, because of your one bad file and our lame can openers.
Quote from: Nix
Well, we are seeing a trend here, not just one odd corkscrew that made it passed a usually rigorous QC process. And my list of concerns is longer than yours:
I am going to transition here to quoting and replying to Nix in a way that helps me address each concern.
Quote from: Nix
1. The sheath is poorly designed. It gives the impression that no one ever bother to put the knife in the sheath to see if it worked. While the sheath technically MOLLE compatible, it actually provides only one point of attachment and that is a bit sketchy. I think Wspeed has noted that his velcro is wearing out. Mine hasn't been used as much but the velcro feels a bit weak already.
I have been using the sheath as outlined by SOG, on my belt with bits, for over two weeks. The velcro is shoddy at best. However, with that being said, Leatherman and Victorinox sell sheaths with their brands on them that are poorly made(in different ways) as well.
The only reason I don’t worry about the tool falling out is that they did make the sheath deep enough and the long flap is heavy enough to stay down by gravity. But, I think you are right, we cannot recommend the sheath alone.
Quote from: Nix
2. The "Chisel" isn't a chisel. It isn't sharp. It may prove to be an adequate large flat driver or pry tool. I haven't tried it yet.
It works great as a screwdriver, as you have since found out, but why they called it a “chisel” is a mystery to me. It is a glaring mistake that cannot be discounted. It works great as a driver, and they should label it is a screwdriver. Chisels on multitools are not really useful, well, to me anyway.
Quote from: Nix
3. The file is just crap. Cutting aluminum is nice, but that is not a practical use for me for a file.
Again, and I cannot stress this enough, it seems you have a truly faulty file and should contact SOG about a replacement file before condemning the file altogether. That is my position on the matter. If you want to discredit a tool for its’ file, then please do so with a file example that is representative of what the rest of us have demonstrated.
Would you do a review on a SAK with a bent corkscrew and write about the bent corkscrew as a common fault? I don’t think you would, but I can’t answer that for you.
Please refrain from using the aluminum as the ONLY example of what the PAD file can be used on. It seems you keep going in circles about that singular experiment by Wspeed. I used mine on moderately hard hinge steel(with video proof) and it worked. All three surfaces to boot. It did not work well, but it would be fine in a pinch. I am not keen on using files that small though(except for needle files and mini diamond files), so I think most MT files are a bit gimmicky. I would think my PAD file is more akin to the intended execution of the file that SOG had in mind.
Quote from: Nix
4. The can opener works, but is terrible. Poorly designed and poorly made.
I haven’t used mine yet, but I can extrapolate the outcome of my PAD can opener to be of a similar nature to others who have demonstrated it.
Quote from: Nix
5. The serrations on the serrated blade will be problematic to sharpen. The blade has worked fine, so far, but I foresee difficulty in resharpening it.
I take for granted that I can sharpen those kinds of serrations. So, I will grant you that most people could not easily touch up that blade.
Quote from: Nix
6. The medium driver on my cap lifter is rounded off. I have successfully used it, but I think this will be prone to slipping with heavier use. A nice squared off drive is just safer and more effective.
The driver on the can opener is(from the photos and looking at both of my Accesses) is run-of-the-mill.  It is, however, better than the rounded/over-polished driver on the SAK can openers I have. I am not sure this should be a complaint to be honest. Seems beyond nit-picky.
Quote from: Nix
7. The saw works, but it is short for the space in the handle. It looks to me like they could have given me a saw that is 5-6mm longer, and therefore more effective
I have to agree wholeheartedly on this. But, I need to say, SOG has a strange opposition to making saws a bit longer. Since the PowerPlier(same saw as the paratool), the SOG saws have been too short(except the powerplay file. It is longer). This criticism isn’t unique to the PAD is all I want people to know. If they buy a PowerLock(I recommend the PL to anyone), they need to know that the saw is too short in it as well.
Quote from: Nix
8. The Jeweler's driver on mine had a poor grind with a burr. I used a diamond stone to clean it up and I think it's a bit better now.
Seems like you have some kind of pre-production dud of a PAD. The “jeweler drivers” on my PA, PAD, PowerPint, and PowerPlay have been consistently excellent. Non of them needed to be cleaned up.
Quote from: Nix
9. The springs that activate the locks appear to be flimsy and fragile (I thought I read that someone had their lock springs break already. I might be wrong.). This is a chief point of concern for me, and one of the reasons I question the tool's durability.
Wspeed had a spring failure. SOG took it in and had it examined(promptly sent a new PAD to him and then sent a PA to him for covering the customs fees). The judgment was a failed spring-portion heat treat. Nobody else here has experienced this issue yet, that I know of.
Quote from: Nix
Some of these observations are either unfounded or are of a nit-picking nature. But they start to add up to a very negative impression overall, especially when we have a record of a few MTo'ers returning their PADs within a few days of receiving them.

This has been a great discussion, and, even if you haven't persuaded me to be nicer to SOG, I do like the way you think and your fundamental consideration. I promise to stay open minded as we continue the challenge.  :tu: [/color]
As far as I know, only powernoodle returned his for a refund. He only had his around a week I think.

My thumbs hate me. Typing on this phone is tedious at best. I vehemently apologize for the numerous typos in my writing.

Thank you again for your responses, Nix! You’re a good man. :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 16, 2018, 03:08:38 AM
OK, I've been a bit negative about the SOG PAD recently, so I thought I'd share one feature that I think is very cool:

The PAD can be 'flicked' open with a sharp snap of the wrist.

The momentum of one handle swings the pliers open, add a little rotation, and the pliers are in hand, ready to use. Nice! Especially handy when one is fishing. Hey, that reminds me, I need to go fishing.......
Yeah man. The SOG flick is one of the most enjoyable MT plier deployments....ever.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 16, 2018, 01:56:13 PM
Day 16

This morning I put the kettle on
For my second coffee and the kettle stopped working
So the first thing I checked was the fuse
And as it needed something to lift the fuse cover
I found the chisel to be perfect for the job  :tu:

Tested the kettle with a new fuse but no go
So already been to the shops to buy a new kettle  :rant:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 16, 2018, 02:41:31 PM
Seems odd to have a fuse in the kettle plug. Probably a good idea, but I've never seen that before. Do all English appliances have fused plugs?

Good work with the chisel, sorry you need a new kettle!  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 16, 2018, 02:57:10 PM
Seems odd to have a fuse in the kettle plug. Probably a good idea, but I've never seen that before. Do all English appliances have fused plugs?

Good work with the chisel, sorry you need a new kettle!  :tu:
Yes all UK plugs have a fuse :tu:
I think it’s a great idea  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 16, 2018, 03:52:37 PM

Again, and I cannot stress this enough, it seems you have a truly faulty file and should contact SOG about a replacement file before condemning the file altogether. That is my position on the matter. If you want to discredit a tool for its’ file, then please do so with a file example that is representative of what the rest of us have demonstrated.

Would you do a review on a SAK with a bent corkscrew and write about the bent corkscrew as a common fault?


G-man,

 :surrender:

I have acquiesced to your wishes and contacted SOG through their on-line email function @ their website. I have requested a replacement file blade.

Let me point out that not one person in this challenge has stated that his or her file is a good and useful file. Not one of us has been able to say "hey, I love this file feature on the PAD." I know you and Wspeed were able to get the files to work to some degree. So, this is not a one-time flaw, e.g. a bent corkscrew. This smurfy file seems to be, indeed, a "common flaw". Since Powernoodle and I are both appalled by the lame files, and everyone else seems to be at least concerned by the lame files, that would give us somewhere around a 100% dissatisfaction rate with the SOG file (I trust you guys will correct my math if I've misrepresented anyone's views on the file).

Now, if SOG gets back to me and sends me a working file, I will clearly state that I got a random dud and that the file performs at a better level than I had previously experienced. I have no problem admitting that I am wrong; I've had lots of practice.  :D  :-[   :rofl:  It will remain to be seen if such an improved file, should it exist, converts me from dissatisfied customer to satisfied customer.

Part of the reason I decided to see if SOG can fix this issue (one of several issues for me), is that I realized that if it weren't for the challenges, I would probably just leave this mutlitool in a drawer or give it away (or perhaps just throw it away, I don't like to give away knives or tools that I don't like myself, that would indeed be 'passing the buck'.). So, before going to such extremes, it seems reasonable to see if SOG can amend this issue. In all candor, I doubt it, because it does seem like an inherent design issue.

Let's see what SOG says.  :multi:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge!
Post by: ThePeacent on June 16, 2018, 03:53:45 PM
Day 10:


Now, this took a long time to achieve and I don't think I could actually get good edge with this tool, but it did do something, which is more than I expected. Perhaps with enough time it might serve the purpose.


this reminds me of

“If I had five minutes to chop down a tree, I’d spend the first three sharpening my axe.”


- Abraham Lincoln   :D

OK, I've been a bit negative about the SOG PAD recently, so I thought I'd share one feature that I think is very cool:

The PAD can be 'flicked' open with a sharp snap of the wrist.

The momentum of one handle swings the pliers open, add a little rotation, and the pliers are in hand, ready to use. Nice! Especially handy when one is fishing. Hey, that reminds me, I need to go fishing.......

wait until you wrist flick it too enthusiastically and use our knuckles as a stop point  :D  then tell mw that aggain  :whistle:
The PAD might be too small and light enough to just cause discomfort, but I can tell from experience that a fully loaded Powerlock or Blacktip can leave a nasty cut and evn make you drop the tool  :ahhh

how can you not be conscious of the force applied?  ??? Well, if you have many SOG tools with different smoothness in opening and forget how smooth the one in your hand was  :facepalm:

Gerber has the Mr.Pinchy's pinching, SOGs has the Power--- smashing  :angel:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 16, 2018, 04:24:14 PM
It will be interesting to see what SOG
Are going to do about the file Nix :popcorn: :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 16, 2018, 06:37:44 PM
Yup, that would interest me too...

Meanwhile, on Day 16, I'm afraid I haven't used the PAD for anything else than below, highly important, but
not very innovative operation. At least the cap lifter works well :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 16, 2018, 06:52:18 PM
Critical task completion!  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 16, 2018, 07:10:28 PM
 :cheers: Nix.
I do have to agree with you, in a close regard, Nix. The file is of sub-par quality and usefulness, relative to its' competition. It would only be "good", at least in my opinion, if it were of the same quality as the lower-end of its' competition(gerger for example). As it stands, while still useful to an extent(at least a few of them), it is at the bottom of the totem pole(sp?).
I hope SOG treats you as they should and sends you a proper replacement.

If they can get these issues under control, they may be able to create a stupendous multitool. If they can do it with the PAD is questionable.
We'll have to wait and see I guess. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 16, 2018, 08:40:39 PM
Yes, I think you are right. There is a lot of potential here with the PAD.   :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 16, 2018, 09:36:12 PM
I was feeling a little brave with the PAD and tried a medium prying task with the "chisel"(uhmm huh). I have been using it as a mid-large flat blade driver. I was surprised it didn't twist or anything under torsion. I twisted the board up with the blade after prying it up a bit. I was more worried in the end that it may break a pivot screw. But, everything went well. Lifted the oak board free of its' bond (nails holding it down).  :ahhh
I probably won't push that particular implement that far again, but was happy to see the tool steel is pretty good.
And an extra pic of the PAD during a break. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 16, 2018, 09:43:17 PM
Nice!   :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 17, 2018, 01:04:54 AM
Day 11:

A cold and rainy day. Sounds miserable, but here in the dry, dry state of Montana, we'll take it!

Might have been a good day for Walleye fishing, but I chose to make mushroom soup instead. PAD got pressed into service to slice mushrooms. It did a great job with this task!  :tu:

(https://i.imgur.com/E3ORAbd.jpg)


In addition to Button, smurfake, Crimini, and Black Trumpet mushrooms, I decided to throw in a can of organic mushrooms (Button variant, I think). Sure enough, the ring pull snapped off........

(https://i.imgur.com/rZkuBBj.jpg)


SOG PAD to the rescue!

(https://i.imgur.com/NJ36RiL.jpg)


The can opener both cut the lid and separated the lid at the designed score. Worked well to salvage a tricky situation.   :tu: 

This is why manual can openers will never be obsolete (in my lifetime  ;) ).
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 17, 2018, 01:55:21 AM
Soup is up!

(https://i.imgur.com/QdriDfx.jpg)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 17, 2018, 02:15:45 AM
Looks delicious! It's a bit hot down here in AL for most soups, but mushroom soup is always enjoyable. :)

On a side note: I almost fell oit of my chair when I read where you mentioned shii-take(hyphenated to avoid curse filter) mushrooms. Smurfake. :rofl:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 17, 2018, 03:44:16 AM
Ha ha ha. I missed that.  :oops:

Too funny. C'mon! It's a mushroom! 
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 17, 2018, 10:47:50 AM
Looks delicious! It's a bit hot down here in AL for most soups, but mushroom soup is always enjoyable. :)

On a side note: I almost fell oit of my chair when I read where you mentioned shii-take(hyphenated to avoid curse filter) mushrooms. Smurfake. :rofl:

+1 to the delicious - looks yummy! Smurfake is a magic ingredient  out of a class of ingredients some of my countrymen use to amplify their mental activities :D  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 17, 2018, 10:49:11 AM
oops... double
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Don Pablo on June 17, 2018, 11:46:01 AM
Seems odd to have a fuse in the kettle plug. Probably a good idea, but I've never seen that before. Do all English appliances have fused plugs?

Good work with the chisel, sorry you need a new kettle!  :tu:
Yes all UK plugs have a fuse :tu:
I think it’s a great idea  :cheers:
Same with Ireland, it allows for building houses with cheaper ring circuits instead of radial circuits.  :think:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Don Pablo on June 17, 2018, 11:50:05 AM
OK, I've been a bit negative about the SOG PAD recently, so I thought I'd share one feature that I think is very cool:

The PAD can be 'flicked' open with a sharp snap of the wrist.

The momentum of one handle swings the pliers open, add a little rotation, and the pliers are in hand, ready to use. Nice! Especially handy when one is fishing. Hey, that reminds me, I need to go fishing.......
FYI, it should be possible to loosen and tighten the pivot screws to adjust the degree of flicky-ness.  :cheers:
Just in case anyone has a too loose or too tight PAD.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 17, 2018, 01:07:34 PM
Excellent looking mushroom soup Nix :drool: :drool: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 17, 2018, 02:40:00 PM
Day 17

Today I am removing my old bike battery
As over the winter the battery stopped working completely
So I used the 1/4 inch driver with the adapter
and the largest cross head screw driver from the bit kit

No problems undoing the battery terminals
I really lik the PADs 1/4 inch driver and bits set
And it looks a nice quality tool

Now I am waiting for the new battery to fully charge
Before I can fit it to the bike  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 17, 2018, 02:51:42 PM
Great use, Wspeed.

I had a bike's battery die on me whilst I was on a road trip. I was in a remote area and it was quite a bit of work to get back to a town where I could order a new battery. I was sure glad to havve a few tools with me that day!

Once a bike's battery gives up the will to spark, there is no bringing it back.  :(
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 17, 2018, 03:01:06 PM
Great use, Wspeed.

I had a bike's battery die on me whilst I was on a road trip. I was in a remote area and it was quite a bit of work to get back to a town where I could order a new battery. I was sure glad to havve a few tools with me that day!

Once a bike's battery gives up the will to spark, there is no bringing it back.  :(
I am glad my bike was in the workshop
when the battery stopped working  :tu:
More money spent this month  :ahhh
I would not be happy if that happened when out on the bike  :ahhh
Lucky that you could order a new battery Nix  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 17, 2018, 03:11:48 PM
It looks as if we are padding the results here. :D

O.k. I'll go back to my padded cell now. :waving:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 17, 2018, 03:14:08 PM
It looks as if we are padding the results here. :D

O.k. I'll go back to my padded cell now. :waving:
:rofl: :rofl: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 17, 2018, 03:20:26 PM
  :rofl:  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 17, 2018, 04:10:10 PM
Day 12:

Checklist challenge!    :duel:

Show yer checklists today:


(https://i.imgur.com/NzKcbaX.jpg)

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 17, 2018, 04:14:16 PM
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GiantWhisperedCollardlizard-max-1mb.gif)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 17, 2018, 04:16:44 PM
Checklist Day 17 :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 17, 2018, 04:28:21 PM
Most excellent progress on your lists, gentlemen! :cheers:

I am fairly close to completion. But, I am dreading the can opener testing. I can buy my diet Coke in the old-style glass bottles to try the cap lifter on though. :ahhh

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 17, 2018, 05:04:32 PM
 :salute: :salute:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 17, 2018, 08:53:07 PM
Day 12 (continued):

Used the PAD and bits to tighten up a loose drawer handle in the kitchen.  Worked well!   :tu:


(https://i.imgur.com/aiMgNap.jpg)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 17, 2018, 08:53:59 PM
D_T.......checklist?...... :pok:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 17, 2018, 10:21:24 PM
Checklist? What checklist?

Just kidding... pretty well along actually, only have a few items left, including the small screwdriver and all the can opener actions (for lack of suitable cans). I have the checklist at the office so can't show y'awl right now.

On Day 17, again, not much use, although the PAD has been in my pocket all day. So here's a beauty shot with a somewhat recognisable theme. I'll do better soon, I think, some days off coming up.

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 17, 2018, 11:02:05 PM
 :like:

....but don't wear out that cap-lifter too quickly!    :rofl:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 12:50:54 AM
At this point, D_T has used the cap lifter so much, it may qualify as abuse. :rofl:
J/K :P

Day 17. Thought the #1 phillips in the handle would wotk, but it was actually too big for these screws. Used the adapter and mini phillips bit to tighten the hinge screws on the doggie barrier to the dining room. They get loose from moving the barrier around fairly often.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 01:31:13 AM
Day 12 (continued):

Another little bit of disappointment.....

I wanted to cut a small length of hi-vis mono-filament line this afternoon. I thought nothing of opening up the PAD to use the wire snips to cut this 30# mono. The mono is fairly stiff and resembles fine wire, so I expected the PAD to snip it easily.

But....NO.

I was a bit surprised that the PAD merely folded the mono, and didn't cut it.

What? I tried again. And again. Same result. The mono just folded up.

Now, I thought I had snipped mono in the past using the wire snips on a multitool, but, you know, I may have forgotten the truth. Still, I was a bit freaked out that I may have had a false memory.

Could I really be that wrong?!?

So, I rummaged around and dug out some other multitools to test:

(https://i.imgur.com/qncjSOe.jpg)


As you can see (look carefully now), my Charge, Rebar, and Spirit all cut the mono cleanly and easily. If pressed, I'd say the Rebar did the best job. The Spirit was a bit fiddly because the run of wire cutting edges is small and required more focus. However, if aligned properly, the Spirit did the job easily and precisely.

The PAD, not at all. See the photo above where the mono is just folded up in the PAD's jaws.

Not shown:  I also tested a LM Skeletool. Yes, it also snipped the mono easily. I used the mono to fashion a short lanyard on the PAD in anticipation of going fishing. I'd like a very positive attachment to avoid losing this PAD. I think.  :think:

The Skeletool was super-useful for snipping the mono after tying knots in order to remove the tag ends.

Good thing I didn't need the lanyard attached to the Skeletool........... >:(
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Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 01:45:42 AM
Guess I should add a shot of the new lanyard:

(https://i.imgur.com/UUd33c2.jpg)


If you look closely, you'll see a small snippet of mono that the Skeletool cut off the final knot.

Yeah, I said 'Skeletool'.
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 03:17:08 AM
 :o
It is disturbing to learn about the cutter issue, but that isn't uncommon for a lot of MTs, from my experience. Will it cut small steel wire or electrical cord?
I would have expected this on Wspeed's and powernoodle's PAD(nail abuse test) to be more likely to have this issue. :think:

Is the inability of the cutter consistent for the length of the cutters? Or just a portion(#edit: exactly where you pictured it)?

Sorry to ask so many questions, but your experience has me curious as to my PAD cutter's abilities. I do intend to check mine for issues at some point.

Now, with that said, I have experienced this issue with fine electrical wire on; one of my old(USA) SOG PowerLocks, one of my two Waves, my supertool 300, my swisstool, and several Gerber's(the replaceable cutter kind). The Wave being the worst of them(it couldn't even cut 18-2 lamp wire properly). LM did fix it with a new plier head, but dang, it was a brand new wave. While a majority of my MTs have little to no issue cutting fine electrical wire, I am not really surprised anymore when I encounter it. :P
To be honest, I am not familiar with the material you are cutting. Where about does it land in a chart between basic fishing line and thin string trimmer line(#80 or so)?
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Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 04:02:10 AM
The mono-filament is maybe 40% as thick as string trimmer line. It is a heavy fishing line.  :-\
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Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 04:15:06 AM
I had some similar questions, G-man.

I went and tested out a couple of other wire-type materials........

(https://i.imgur.com/GHsvpEd.jpg)

1. Tie Wire (may have other names): PAD cut this stuff easily. I demonstrated this in an earlier post, but went back to it as a benchmark.

2. Speaker wire: PAD struggled to cut this cleanly. With a couple of extra twists at the end, the two strands did get cut, but you can see the ragged edges.

3. Zip tie: this got crimped, but didn't get cut. Wait......really? OK, I tried to cut the zip tie along the flat side. What if I tried cutting on the short side?

4. Garden wire: PAD failed to cut this. The wire just got bent. This is a fine wire, coated in a protective green plastic coating. Should be cut easily. (I cut the piece with a dull garden knife.)


(https://i.imgur.com/2wTbHma.jpg)

Better results with a bit of technique.

You can see I cut two different zip ties, one a bit thicker than the other. The trick here was to cut the thin edge, not the flat side (note: the crimp line from my first cutting attempt is still visible on the blue zip tie.)

Overall, this cutting test is definitely concerning.   :(
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 04:41:21 AM
Nix,
I am compiling a crappy(but accurate) chart right now that somewhat confirms the imperfect cutter section results you had from the PAD. I tested it against seven other tools with three type of wire. 1. 12g speaker wire with heavy jacket. 2. stranded copper jumper wire for computer mainboards. 3. solid core alarm system wire(22g).
I will post the results in a bit. I took a lot of photos.  :ahhh

Thank you for checking with those mediums, Nix!
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Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 05:07:40 AM
 :salute:
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 06:49:17 AM
My results show that the cutters on my PAD are not quite as sloppy as yours, but mine did worse than I had anticipated.  :facepalm:

Most of my other test subjects didn't do well either, so I can't quite condemn my PAD cutters just yet. (See chart attached) I will be checking the cutters periodically to see if they get any worse. The PowerLock I tested is my oldest and most used SOGs with lots of pliers-slop and the PAD didn't do much better. You can look at the images to see how well each cut was. Each wire was cut once with no twisting or pulling. I used the mid section of each tool's cutters and allowed two cuts for small cutters(one cut per side) on the 12g. wire.

(https://i.imgur.com/5GcbV5C.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Z7OR6Up.jpg[/img
[img]https://i.imgur.com/RhQmk9c.jpg)

I have individual images of each tool/wire results if anyone needs them.
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 07:24:09 AM
To pile on the tests, I tried four unused SOGs (US and China). Left to right: PowerPlier, PowerLock(pre-patent early), PowerLock(newer 2.0), PowerGrab, and PAD.
The PAD was the only one that failed to cut the same jumper wire from earlier.  :-\
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 18, 2018, 08:41:22 AM


Day 18

I owe y'awl a checklist... see below.

Intrigued by the cutting tests and the mixed results I have tested the cutters on my PAD again, see 2nd pic.

Results are mostly positive: zip tie and thin earphone wire PASS, garden wire (see earlier test, I call it chicken wire) PASS, but thin braided nylon wire FAIL as this simply folds up between the jaws. This is OK I think, for that I'd prefer a blade anyway.
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 08:57:33 AM
Thank you for the checklist and testing the cutters, D_T!

Looks like your cutters are excellent. I would never think many cutters could cut braided nylon (that stuff is like cutting thread).

So, as it stands, the order of best to worst reported cutters is: D_T, glbm, and Nix.
Hopefully W will report on his PAD cutters. :)
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Post by: Don Pablo on June 18, 2018, 09:02:56 AM
My results show that the cutters on my PAD are not quite as sloppy as yours, but mine did worse than I had anticipated.  :facepalm:

Most of my other test subjects didn't do well either, so I can't quite condemn my PAD cutters just yet. (See chart attached) I will be checking the cutters periodically to see if they get any worse. The PowerLock I tested is my oldest and most used SOGs with lots of pliers-slop and the PAD didn't do much better. You can look at the images to see how well each cut was. Each wire was cut once with no twisting or pulling. I used the mid section of each tool's cutters and allowed two cuts for small cutters(one cut per side) on the 12g. wire.

(https://i.imgur.com/5GcbV5C.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Z7OR6Up.jpg[/img[img]https://i.imgur.com/RhQmk9c.jpg)

I have individual images of each tool/wire results if anyone needs them.
So if I understand the chart, the PAD got more passes than the Swisstool and Wave, and the Surge was the only one to get three passes. :think:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 12:18:04 PM
I didn’t have any problems cutting anything I tried  :think:
But I will have one more go at testing
more wire of different sizes and thicknesses

I will post my results later :salute:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 12:24:14 PM
Day 18

Today I was checking the fluid levels in the engine bay
And needed something to open the power steering cap
Normally I use a large screwdriver but as I got the PAD
I found the file to be just right for removing the cap
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 18, 2018, 01:27:04 PM
:tu: In my book that qualifies as an imaginative use, Wspeed  :cheers:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 02:19:44 PM
That’s what I thought as well  :cheers: :like: :like:
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Post by: ThePeacent on June 18, 2018, 02:26:16 PM
:tu: In my book that qualifies as an imaginative use, Wspeed  :cheers:

+1
just beware that files (if we can call this one a file  ::) :D) are usually hardened so should not be used to pry, twist or torque as they easily snapped  :salute: but I see that you used it putting the force closer to the pivot thus reducing the leverage multiplication effect  :tu:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 02:40:39 PM
cutting test

I used the SOG PAD and PA
And the LM Crunch and the LM Supertool
For this test I have 8 different type wires
I started with the really thin wire copper and metal
Then had 4 different thickness of electrical wire
The brown wire has a solid copper wire
And 2 different size trimmer wire

The first 2 pics is what I tested the MTs with

The PAD and PA both didn’t have any
problems cutting the 8 different size wires

Only the LM Crunch didn’t cut the
green trimmer wire on one of the cuts
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Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 02:41:27 PM
The PAD

Cut everything no problems
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Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 02:42:11 PM
The PA

Cut everything no problems
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Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 02:43:47 PM
The LM Crunch

Only had one cut on the green
trimmer wire it had a problem with
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Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 02:44:27 PM
The LM Supertool

No problems
 
I have just about tested
everything I can with the SOG PAD
On day 11 I tested zip ties stainless
welding wire and a hardened 2.5mm nail
As well as trimmer wire and electric wire
And again for the 2nd test it cut everything  :cheers:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 02:52:03 PM
:tu: In my book that qualifies as an imaginative use, Wspeed  :cheers:

+1
just beware that files (if we can call this one a file  ::) :D) are usually hardened so should not be used to pry, twist or torque as they easily snapped  :salute: but I see that you used it putting the force closer to the pivot thus reducing the leverage multiplication effect  :tu:
Good point D_T I do think anything
tighter and it would of snapped off :tu:
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Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 03:31:46 PM
Nice testing, guys!

(And D_T, good work with the checklist. Your cap-lifter is clearly well tested.   :rofl:)

I scrounged up a few extra bits of wire to test, will post a pic later.   :tu:
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 04:19:41 PM
Quote from: Don Pablo
So if I understand the chart, the PAD got more passes than the Swisstool and Wave, and the Surge was the only one to get three passes. :think:
Indeed. It seems strange, but remember, the tests involved no twisting or pulling while using the cutters on stranded wire & tiny solid core wire(these were intentionally chosen, because they are notoriously aggravating to cut) Every tool tested can cut most stuff when "manipulated" a bit.
And don't be put-off my results. I needed a standard of testing and obviously most of us don't cut stuff exactly the same way.

Usually, when I cut zip ties, electrical wire and thin steel wire, I angle and pull the wire up towards the cutter blade(i just cut straight on in the the tests). This makes for cleaner cuts and reduces strain on the jaw pivot. Every tool I have will cut most stuff this way.
Non of the tools tested would need this kind of manipulation with thicker (or stronger) materials like bailing wire.

Pic of what I mean attached at bottom. The pic is showing a powerpint, because I am having my off-day coffe and can't be bothered to go get the pad right now. :P

Day 18

Today I was checking the fluid levels in the engine bay
And needed something to open the power steering cap
Normally I use a large screwdriver but as I got the PAD
I found the file to be just right for removing the cap
I think you win most creative file use.  :rofl:

And thank you for doing all of your testing. Seems your PAD has an excellent cutter section! :cheers:
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Post by: Don Pablo on June 18, 2018, 04:32:04 PM
Can we agree that Gerbers replaceable cutters suck?  :)
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Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 04:40:43 PM
Thanks GLBM  :cheers:
If there is anything else you would like
me to test the cutters with let me know

So far the cutters have cut everything i can think of
The pliers on my PAD seem to be good quality  :tu:
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 04:53:54 PM
Can we agree that Gerbers replaceable cutters suck?  :)
Hell yes. They have to be the worst cutter system ever designed. Everything from my early replaceable-cutter MP600 to my Center-Drive look like piranhas when I try to cut wire with them.
You saw the chart. The Gerber failed all three. And if you look at the photos, it barely tore the jackets off of the wire. :rofl:

The CD isn't as bad as that mp600, but it is definitely at the bottom of the totem-pole(sp?).
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Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 05:12:47 PM
Day 13:


More wire cutter testing:


(https://i.imgur.com/f08irgS.jpg)


All wires are steel (checked with magnet). The top most wire is thick and heavy, about the thickness of a 14-16g finishing nail. The second from the top is a standard medium-gauge wire. Third down is a fine, coated garden wire used for tying up plants. The bottom is a common "twist-tie".

The PAD chomped through the  thick wire without difficulty. As I cut the medium wire, I felt it twist a little, then it cut fairly well. In the case of the garden wire and twist tie, the wires just bent.

So, my PAD will cut fairly heavy wire with relative ease. The cutters have sustained no damage so far (checked with 5x magnifier). However, thinner wire and stranded wire seems to stymie my PAD. As does mono-filament and perhaps a zip tie (variable results with zip ties).

This is a real set back for me. Fishing is one of those activities where I always try to have a multi-tool with me. While I typically use scissors to cut mono, it's nice to have the ability to use a multitool if it is already in hand.

As well, I do a fair bit of work in the garden in the summer, so not being able to use a multitool to cut simple garden wire is another disappointment.

Right at the moment, my PAD is bumming me out. If it weren't for you guys and the challenge(s), I'd be tempted to pitch the thing. 

For comparison, I tried using a LM Juice to tackle the same wires:

(https://i.imgur.com/MgLBuxh.jpg)

No problems.

No damage (checked with 5x magnifier).

I will say, the Juice had difficulty with the orange mono that I tried cutting yesterday. The Juice has also failed to cut double-stranded barbed wire for me in the past. If it ever stops raining, I'll try to get out for a hike and test the PAD against double stranded barbed wire. I have cut double stranded barbed wire successfully with a Charge and a Rebar. It is a tough task though.

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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 05:25:21 PM
Thank you for the comparison,  Nix!

I would be willing to be there is some play in those plier jaws. Might be worth peening the pivot a bit(or trying that method someone came up with using vise-grips). Only because you are using them for the summer and will need them to work. Definitely not saying sloppy plier jaws are o.k.
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Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 06:18:27 PM
There is definitely some play in the pliers.

I can grab the ends of the pliers head and move the jaws side-to-side.

(https://i.imgur.com/e2w80B5.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UtcqowI.png)

I may try peening. I'm curious to see how SOG wants to resolve the file issue first.

I'm not familiar with the Vise Grip technique.  :think:
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Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 06:21:27 PM
BTW, sent SOG an email on Saturday in re the file. Haven't heard back from them yet, but it's still early out on the West coast.

And they may be busy.... ::)
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 07:04:46 PM
Hehe. They may be up to their eyeballs in repair/exchange requests. :rofl:

I can't be too hard on them about slight plier play though. I've experienced plier play on brand new tools with every brand. Heck, I received a LM OHT once that I could literally cross the jaw tips over one-another. The replacement was close to as bad.  :-\
It shouldn't happen though, even if other companies do ship out sloppy jaws, doesn't mean everyone should do it.
This is an issue I take to be blatantly careless, whether it is LM, Vic, Gerber, Bear, or SOG. Loose pliers are not exactly hard to check for in QC and everyone seems to still ship out MTs with slightly sloppy jaws(Vic and Gerber are pretty good about not having jaw play often though).
I wish they would ship the tools with the pivot a bit tight to allow some break in. If they ship the tool with a loose plier pivot, it is going to be horribly loose after the break in period.
Since my take on this is a topic for general tool discussion, I'll just hush about it now.
Back to the PAD. What to do. What to do on my lazy day off with the PAD. :think:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 07:16:33 PM
Totally agree GLBM it should not happen   :tu:
You could always open some
cans or bottles on your lazy day  :D :tu:
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 07:19:43 PM
Nix,
I must apologize. The fix I was thinking about has only been demonstrated to work on LM pivots. Not sure if a SOG pivot would move with the technique. Would it be the end of the world if trying it on the SOG  didn't work? :D
The thread has a few good peening techniques shown/linked/mentioned as well. Not sure which peening technique you're used to using though.
Here is that thread. https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75195.msg1606879.html#msg1606879
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 07:20:50 PM
Totally agree GLBM it should not happen   :tu:
You could always open some
cans or bottles on your lazy day  :D :tu:
Excellent idea.  :cheers:
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 07:51:17 PM
Decided to get off my lazy hind-end and rummage through my canned food pantry. Found two cans of beans(both passed their sell by :D ) and a can of water chestnuts(I don't eat these. Don't know why I had them).
The can opener on my PAD performed exactly like I had imagined. Not great, but worked as advertised. It really wasn't that much worse than the SAK can opener in my opinion. :shrug:
Pics 1/2
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 07:52:12 PM
Pics 2/2.
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Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 07:57:29 PM
Nice one GLBM :cheers:
Your cans look the same as the cans I did :rofl:
After the challenge I will have a go at
Trying to get a better cutting edge on the can opener  :think:
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 08:33:23 PM
Thank you, W! :cheers:

To be honest, as lame as the PAD can opener is, I don't think much better about any other one-piece openers on knives/saks/MTs.
I am not sure, with pull ring cans being the normal thing now, it is worth sharpening it. It will work in the .001% chance you may be stuck with it as the only can opener available.
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Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 08:35:00 PM
I think the can openers on the Vic SAKs are light years better than the PAD's can opener.

But, as you noted, the PAD can get the job done.

And I've had more practice with the Vic openers.

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Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 08:43:12 PM
At least the can opener will work in emergency’s  :tu:
I want to give it a cutting edge like on the LM ones
And make the point on the can opener a bit sharper
Hopefully I might get easier cutting through the lid :think: :tu:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 08:45:47 PM
I think the can openers on the Vic SAKs are light years better than the PAD's can opener.

But, as you noted, the PAD can get the job done.

And I've had more practice with the Vic openers.


+1 i like the SAK can openers  :cheers:

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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 08:46:27 PM
I am spoiled with electric can openers and handheld circular-blade can openers. I don't have much practice with MT/SAK openers. And, to be honest, I have only used the can opener on my EDC Explorer a couple of times in about ten years.


I am going to have to roll with your(and others) conclusion, regarding your experience(vic opener being much better)on this topic, Nix! :cheers:
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Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 08:56:04 PM
Day 13 (continued):

I noticed that the back gate latch was a bit loose after the Winter. I used the integral bit holder and the #1 Philips to tighten this back up. Might need to be replaced, but this will hold the dog in for now.  :D

(https://i.imgur.com/0GjSkmq.jpg)
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Post by: ThePeacent on June 18, 2018, 09:38:45 PM
interesting challenge so far!

so, seeing the results, I can say that the can opener is Pitiful And Disastrous,
it also seems like the alignment of the jaws can be Problematic And Dysfunctional 
the innovative feature of the centerline bit driver is Passable And Decent,
we could also agree that in a way the tool itself is has good Pliers And Drivers
but it really lacks and leaves you cold if we talk about the Protractor And Durability of the tool
The cutters are still being tested by all of you with Perseverance And Dedication to have a verdict on them

 :D

now I'll stop Playing And Distracting as I always do,  :twak:
and encourage you to keep on with this very interesting challenge  :salute:  :tu:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 09:41:35 PM
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :like:
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 09:44:43 PM
 :rofl: Nicely done TP! :tu:

Regardless of what we are discussing, I am not overly Perturbed And Discordant about it, yet.  :cheers:
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 09:50:57 PM
Day 18:
Took the PAD outside for some fresh air.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1758/29011462418_9c019c4738_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LcDk2U)SOG PowerAccess Deluxe (https://flic.kr/p/LcDk2U) by None (https://www.flickr.com/photos/alexkerhead/), on Flickr
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Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 09:59:03 PM
Nice shot, G-man.  :tu:

I think the PAD is a nice looking tool with some personality and dash.
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 10:35:33 PM
Thank you, Nix ! :cheers:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 10:49:58 PM
Excellent pic GLBM  :tu: :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 11:01:33 PM
Day 13 (continued):


After the discussion with G-man above, I decided to regrind the Can Opener. I used a mill file, diamond sharpener, and sandpaper to create more of an edge on the semicircular cutting edge. This is where the Can Opener does it's work. SOG sharpened (to a limited extent) the straight inner edge. This makes no sense as the inner edge isn't involved in opening a can (although it may be useful for peeling an orange.).

Between this and the file, I get the impression the tools were designed by somebody who had seen a picture of other tools, but has no idea how they are supposed to work. It's like the design is aping some dimly recollected tool set from a lost civilization. Hey, maybe that's where we are these days.

(https://i.imgur.com/MifFpmk.jpg)

The new can opener now works fairly well. Maybe not SAK efficacy, but it is much improved over the can opener as received. In the photo, the point or tip of the opener looks rounded. This is misleading as the tip is actually pretty sharp. I like the new "shark's tooth" look of this opener now.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 11:11:38 PM
Thank you, W!

Very nice, Nix! Maybe, when you inevitably have to send it in for warranty work, SOG can reverse engineer your reprofiled can opener and use the ancient technology to create a more effective one.  :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 11:12:48 PM
Very nice, Nix! Maybe, when you inevitably have to send it in for warranty work, SOG can reverse engineer your reprofiled can opener and use the ancient technology to create a more effective one.  :like:

That is so NOT funny.    :rofl:

(I actually had the same thought myself. )
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 11:14:37 PM
Looks good Nix  :cheers:
Would love to see some pics of a can you used it on :popcorn:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 11:17:47 PM
So, SOG got back to me.......

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Hello,
 
We are sending you a replacement clip for your Power Access multi tool.
 
Thank you,
Amanda


Why do I get the impression we've had a failure to communicate?


(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*afwHTqMji4HhaXOEslyadQ.gif)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 11:23:32 PM
How many PA clips got broken where the automatic response is to send a new clip?
I am seriously LOL'ing here.
If you send a correction email in reply, and they still send you a clip, I am going to die laughing(sorry. I can't help it). :rofl:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 11:27:25 PM
Looks good Nix  :cheers:
Would love to see some pics of a can you used it on :popcorn:

Well, since you ride motorcycles and all, W,  :tu:


(https://i.imgur.com/3lKwfRN.jpg)


The key thing here is that the Can Opener is now cutting the lid, not punching through it. As a result, the cutting is much smoother. Still, little 'bites' are required, but way less effort and the lid isn't getting smashed into the inside of the can.


Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 18, 2018, 11:35:31 PM
So, SOG got back to me.......

Quote
Hello,
 
We are sending you a replacement clip for your Power Access multi tool.
 
Thank you,
Amanda


Why do I get the impression we've had a failure to communicate?

Speechless  :rofl: :rofl: :facepalm: 


Looks good Nix  :cheers:
Would love to see some pics of a can you used it on :popcorn:

Well, since you ride motorcycles and all, W,  :tu:



The key thing here is that the Can Opener is now cutting the lid, not punching through it. As a result, the cutting is much smoother. Still, little 'bites' are required, but way less effort and the lid isn't getting smashed into the inside of the can.



Nice one Nix  :cheers:
Definitely worth doing than :D :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 11:43:52 PM
How many PA clips got broken where the automatic response is to send a new clip?
I am seriously LOL'ing here.
If you send a correction email in reply, and they still send you a clip, I am going to die laughing(sorry. I can't help it). :rofl:

 :facepalm:

I have sent SOG (Amanda) a response email. I explained that the PAD doesn't have a clip and asked that they not send me a clip.

I also explained that the wire cutters don't cut fine wire and that the can opener was defective, but that I fixed the can opener issue with a file. 

I'm expecting to get a 'replacement' Baton Q4 now.  ::)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 18, 2018, 11:50:05 PM
Before El P has a chance to chime in here, yes, I am perplexed and dismayed.....


(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DiligentPopularGoldfish-max-1mb.gif)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 19, 2018, 12:26:41 AM
 :rofl: :rofl: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 19, 2018, 12:43:47 PM
so yes they Posted And Delivered a clip and an answer unrelated to your issues, but hey, I never have enough clips! (to mod other tools, add them to my clipless knives like Opinels or Kudus, etc.  :tu:) 
But yes it's weird and you should write again to make sure they got your request and complain and can act accordingly  :salute:  Let's give Amanda another chance to be either Pardoned, Appraised, Derided or judged again, she might be new to the company and overloaded with customer emails  :ahhh

also you did to your can('t) opener  :) what I do with most of those found in Chinese, cheap and ugly tools, this way they can also double as useful scrapers, gougers or even package openers  :cheers:

hopefully if enough complaints, recommendations and customer reviews show them how a can opener and a file should be made,  ::) they will Pause And Decide to improve these implements on the next run, or batch of tools.
It is true that SOG does take its time to Progress, Advance, Develop and improve their tools but I expect them to do so with their next multitool releases, as they do listen to their public most times in my opinion
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 19, 2018, 02:58:24 PM
Day 19

Today I used the Awl to make a hole in my leather belt
No problems using the Awl, made the hole quickly  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 19, 2018, 03:08:18 PM
Nice one, W!
The awl is one of the things about the PAD that is an improvement over their older models. IMO of course. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 19, 2018, 03:09:28 PM
Nice use, W!   :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 19, 2018, 03:18:48 PM
Thanks GLBM and Nix  :cheers:
I like the Awl on the PAD more than the SAK Awl  :tu: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 19, 2018, 08:48:42 PM
Day 14:

It has been unusually cold and rainy here for the past few days. Mrs Nix requested a hot lunch, which seemed like a good idea. I had a fresh baguette and, after a quick rummage through the refrigerator, came up with the idea of pizza sandwiches. What's not to love?

I used the PAD's main blade to peel some garlic and the can-opener to open a tin of tomato sauce. This is the exact same can and sauce that I used for my first can-opening attempt. You know, the one where as much sauce ended up on the lid as was left tin the can.

So, how would my modified can-opener fare this attempt?

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(https://i.imgur.com/WIkp5Bz.jpg)

Hey very nice! The can lid got cut in small increments and the lid didn't get mashed into the sauce.  :tu:


(https://i.imgur.com/FLe3w1x.jpg)

I particularly enjoyed not splattering tomato sauce all over my shirt. Feels like a real improvement. Consider this opener tested, improved, and tested.   :tu:



I made up a pizza sauce, toasted the baguettes, and assembled the sandwiches. After a quick broil in the oven, lunch was ready, courtesy of the SOG PAD (don't open the spoiler if you are hungry or particular about the treatment of baguettes.):

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(https://i.imgur.com/VrDsPwd.jpg)


Mrs Nix loved her lunch!
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 19, 2018, 09:04:55 PM
Good work on the can Nix  :cheers:
And that pizza bread looks  :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 19, 2018, 09:21:37 PM
I heard back from SOG. It looks like we're on the same page now, but the news isn't all good:

Quote

Hello Jack,
 
Unfortunately my answer to the problem would be to send in your Power Access Deluxe multi tool and we will trade it out with one of our Powerlock multi tools *which would be same quality as the Paratool you’ve said you’ve owned for years. Sending a new file I don’t think is the answer because I am afraid it would be of the same quality as the current one you have now. I would be glad to change the tool out for one of our higher quality tools. Let me know if this is something you would like to do?
 
 
Thank you,
Amanda 


While this does represent a great level of customer service, I'm not entirely thrilled by the option. The SOG PAD was appealing for some of it's features, e.g. the integral hex-bit holders, and I was not a big fan of the Powerlock design.  It's interesting to see that SOG is offering to trade one of their less-expensive models for this newer, pricier model.

Honestly, I'm saddened here and not sure what to do.  I feel that since SOG has made an offer, and given my general level of dissatisfaction with the PAD, it would be churlish of me to refuse the exchange offer; but I can't say I'm all that excited about a Powerlock.

What do you guys think?  :shrug:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Don Pablo on June 19, 2018, 09:31:50 PM
I still think that everyone else appears to have a better file on their PAD compared to yours.  :D
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 19, 2018, 09:38:26 PM
Could be, but SOG doesn't appear to have the same level of confidence as you do.

Or....it's just easier to send me a different tool.  :think:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 19, 2018, 09:40:00 PM
Difficult decision Nix  :think: ??? :ahhh
I would look at what tools You use more on a MT
Has the Powerlock got the tools you need 
Or do you think the PAD is more useful
If you want to stay with the PAD than
I would go for a replacement from SOG  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 19, 2018, 09:51:53 PM
Could be, but SOG doesn't appear to have the same level of confidence as you do.

Or....it's just easier to send me a different tool.  :think:
To me their email says we know that the PAD has bad tools
And we can’t be bothered to make better quality tools
But as you complained about the quality of the tools
We don’t really want to send you a replacement
As it will still have the same bad tools
So we rather send you a more expensive model
To hopefully get you off our back and stop complaining  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 19, 2018, 10:02:50 PM
Odd thing here is that I think the Powerlock is less expensive. Go figure.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 19, 2018, 10:13:14 PM
If you have a model of MT that you would prefer
Why not ask SOG if they can send you one
As they are trying to send you a different model
Rather than replace the PAD  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 19, 2018, 10:19:52 PM
I would look at what tools You use more on a MT.
Has the Powerlock got the tools you need?

Good questions, W.

I liked the PAD for the hex-bit holder/driver and the 1/4" driver.
The Powerlock does have a 1/4" driver.
I could always get a 1/4" hex-bit adapter and select the bits I'd be most likely to need.

Both tools have pliers, a knife (not a fan of the Powerlock's 'combo' blade), cap lifter/driver, can opener/driver, awl (again, PAD seems to have a better awl), saw, and file.
The file on the Powerlock does look like it works (but testing is believing).
I'm not a fan of serrated blades, so that's no loss for me.
The PAD's jewler's driver (now that I've tuned it a bit) seems like it could come in handy, but I don't know that I need it.

The Powerlock's folding tool covers seem silly, but it sounds like some people do like them.

Still mulling..........

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 19, 2018, 10:33:26 PM
Hmmm... difficult...

Meanwhile on Day 19, today was very busy, so no tests. Beauty shot only, again.

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 20, 2018, 12:20:07 AM
Sad news, my brother MTo'ers.....

I have decide to trade in my SOG PAD for a SOG Powerlock.

In discussions with Amanda, she has convinced me that the Powerlock has a better track record and is the better mutlitool. I have to say that Amanda seems to have good sense, experience, and a deft touch on the pulse of SOG. I sincerely hope that SOG is listening to Amanda and her observations. If I could, I'd take her to lunch and pick her her brain. (Hey, maybe I will. I'll ask her if she'll go to lunch with me.)

At this point, I am formally withdrawing from the PAD challenge. I'm sorry to say that I do feel a sense of relief with this decision.

Look for my review of the SOG Powerlock in the future, "somewhere down the Crazy River". I hope you all continue to have fun with the PAD challenge. I hope the mods award you a nice badge. Lord knows, I think you deserve it.  :tu:  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 20, 2018, 12:57:37 AM
I hope you have better luck with the Powerlock Nix :tu:
It’s a shame you have to stop the challenge
Look forward to see your new Powerlock
when you get it :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 20, 2018, 02:39:43 AM
Well, the 'T's' aren't dotted and the 'I's' aren't crossed, so we'll see how it awl evolves.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 20, 2018, 03:21:50 AM
Nix,

I would probably do the same if I were in your shoes. But, I already have six PowerLocks (different generations). Don't need or want another.
I think the PowerLock is superior to the PAD in many respects. The only qualm I have with PowerLocks is that the tools don't lock up tight. But, to be honest, they really don't need to. The lock bar is situated in a way that keeps the lock bar from disengaging. The awl isn't very good though. The file works fine, but the cut area is short compared to the competition.

The basic PowerLock is about $48 on amazon. But, you might look around and see if you like a more expensive PowerLock model and request it. I have the one with one plain blade and one serrated blade. Some versions of the PowerLock are more expensive than the PAD. Depends on the toolset.

I'll be watching for your PowerLock thread, Nix. And will be wishing your PAD experience had gone better.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 20, 2018, 03:24:19 AM
Day 19:
Used the can opener driver to put the old turn-switch onto a new wire.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 20, 2018, 01:51:38 PM
well Nix, good luck oth the PL  :salute:  I would've done the same, the PL is a beast, well built (Chinese and USA made both) and most importantly a proven and tested design :tu:

it's not the best at anything (well, pliers action and strength is debatable) but is very good in most things, especially if you don't have very specific needs such as OHO blades, bit exchangers etc. (though the 1/4" implement works fine)

also advantageous is the fact that they are incredibly easy to mod to change what you don't like and add what you prefer  :cheers:

I put LM scissors, Phillips, can opener and other tools' saw in it, it's also a very fun tool to play with and open and close like a butterfly   :gimme:

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(https://i.imgur.com/MuWG4wZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/KGvGdNx.jpg)

Enjoy it!! Look at the different versions and choose the best one if they let you, there are interesting variations  :pok:  but don't get carried away too much and ask for a TiNi Gold Plated LE Powerlock  :whistle: :D

PS: the pizza invention looked delicious, you outdid yourself this time in the Kitchen!!!  :drool:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 20, 2018, 03:13:48 PM
I think I'm getting a standard Powerlock, which is just fine by me. I'm definitely interested in comparing/looking at this multitool.

Cool mods there, El P!   :tu:  I like the scissors idea.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 20, 2018, 03:23:09 PM
The standard PL is a tool that has been appreciated, with only minor changes, since 1998. They did add gear covers (ear looking things) and slimmed down the profile on the newest variants ( the 2.0). Don't know if they'll send a slimmed down model, but the standard chasis is a great too. The covers can be removed in a second (like TP has done) if they are annoying. And there are some ways of selecting the tool you need without having to open the tool all the way up to open a cover to select a tool.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 20, 2018, 05:58:56 PM
Day 20

Day 20 already  :woohoo:
So for today I opened a bottle of WKD for the missus
To celebrate only 10 days of the challenge left :cheers:

Again no problems using the bottle opener  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 20, 2018, 06:18:31 PM
 :tu:

Looks refreshing.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 20, 2018, 06:32:33 PM
+1!
Experience tells me that implement works well ;)

Sorry to read you're exchanging tools and leaving the challenge Nix, it was fun to have you in...

My Day 20 saw the PAD in a symbolic assistant gardener role.

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 20, 2018, 06:33:43 PM
:tu:

Looks refreshing.
:cheers: :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 20, 2018, 06:34:13 PM
Nice pic D_T :tu: :like: :like:
You must be a pro at opening bottles by now  :D :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 20, 2018, 07:05:35 PM
:hatsoff: :drink: :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 21, 2018, 02:50:20 AM
My PAD has now been shipped back to SOG.

I sincerely hope that someone will look at it and think about how the PAD production line could be improved. And that can opener design, hey, that's a straight up gift.

I'll be watching as you guys continue on with the challenge. If not here in photos, I'll be here in spirit!  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 21, 2018, 04:07:59 AM
Day 20. Hard day at work. Cleaned the PAD up a bit. It had some surface rust spots on the lock bars, because of sweat proximity. It has been HOT here. The finish is actually pretty good with rust resistance. A few spots in 20 days may be a personal record for a tool that isn't high-polished. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 21, 2018, 12:54:02 PM
Day 20

Day 20 already  :woohoo:
So for today I opened a bottle of WKD for the missus
To celebrate only 10 days of the challenge left :cheers:

Again no problems using the bottle opener  :tu:

Well, I read NKD in that bottle of refreshing beverage,  ???
unless of course you referred to it as "Wspeed's Kooling  Device" in whic case it all makes sense  :D
and would be an appropriate acronym if you feel Proud And Delighted with it  :whistle: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 21, 2018, 01:43:53 PM
If you look at the bottle it says
in small WKD which is the company
And NKD is one of the
different drinks that they do :rofl: :pok:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 21, 2018, 02:09:23 PM
If you look at the bottle it says
in small WKD which is the company
And NKD is one of the
different drinks that they do :rofl: :pok:

very true,
I beg your Pardon. Apologies. Digressing is typical from me in Challenge thread in which I do not participate  :D
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 21, 2018, 02:15:47 PM
 :cheers: :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 21, 2018, 02:34:51 PM
Day 21

This morning I did some test
cutting with the serrated blade

I found a few different bits to use
Some rope a belt some webbing
garden hose and some trimmer wire

No problems cutting anything I tried
The garden hose was a bit harder to cut
But easier than when I tried the PE blade
Overall a good sharp serrated blade  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 21, 2018, 03:00:34 PM
Great test on the blade, W!

I have gotten more confident in the blade design since the beginning, where I had assumed, it looked like the blades were a bit whispy. They seem to be hardened properly. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 21, 2018, 03:26:39 PM
Great test on the blade, W!

I have gotten more confident in the blade design since the beginning, where I had assumed, it looked like the blades were a bit whispy. They seem to be hardened properly. :)
The blades are thin but seem to be nice quality  :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 21, 2018, 03:30:29 PM
Great testing, W.   :tu:

I, too, found that the blades seemed to work well.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 21, 2018, 03:35:20 PM
Great testing, W.   :tu:

I, too, found that the blades seemed to work well.
The blades are working properly and still sharp  :cheers: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 21, 2018, 04:18:37 PM
in general I've found SOG blades to be well hardened, good cutters (geometry and factory edge) and tough (for drilling, prying, scraping and bending which I've admittedly done with them  :whistle:)

the one in my Blacktip is excellent, good grind, smooth and solid, long and wide, reminds me of a SAK blade
 ::)

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and the one in the PP came super sharp  :ahhh  and the serrated portion cut effectively rope and wrapping bands, while the PE did great in cutting boxes and scraping wood splinters and slivers in my old wooden windows  :tu:

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I prefer them to Leatherman, Victorinox and Gerber blades for the most part (except for the Wave, Surge and MP800 blades)  :salute:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 21, 2018, 04:26:43 PM
My PE blade is very sharp it
can even shave hair off my arm  :cheers:
Nice cut TP  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 21, 2018, 09:15:13 PM
Day 21. Not my usual work, but used the bit set and driver on the PAD to remove and re-install(after repair) the broken door to a kitchen island we bought to resell.

The outboard accessible driver tool seems to make setting up the adapter and bits easier. Not sure if it makes enough difference to matter, in regard to inboard drivers, but it feels quicker when using it.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 21, 2018, 09:18:55 PM
Nice one GLBM  :tu: :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 21, 2018, 10:20:02 PM
The PAD does provide a nice range of options when it comes to drivers.  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 21, 2018, 10:45:05 PM
:nanadance:


El día 21

Something tells me this is not going to work... :think:

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 21, 2018, 11:00:52 PM
Use the pliers D_T :facepalm: :rofl:
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Post by: Nix on June 22, 2018, 12:22:12 AM
Actually, I love to save my fingernails and slide the driver under the pull-tab to lift it up.

I know you can do it, D_T!   :tu: :tu: :tu:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 22, 2018, 01:30:16 PM
Day 22

This morning I used the jeweler’s driver to
tighten a screw on my partners reading glasses
Now at least they sit on her face properly  :rofl:

No problems with using the jeweler’s driver  :tu:
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Post by: Nix on June 22, 2018, 06:15:38 PM
Handy size driver to have.  :tu:

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Post by: Wspeed on June 22, 2018, 06:27:39 PM
Works great  :cheers: :like:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 22, 2018, 06:45:37 PM
Thanks for the votes of confidence, lads :cheers:

Meanwhile, on Day 22, the can opener finally got a go at three cans I found in my mum's larder and were a bit over the sell by date. I must say, after a little bit of getting used to it, it worked reasonably well. The angle of the cutting edge seems to indicate the opener should be operated around the can by pushing forwards in the clockwise direction (i.e. with the left hand) but the bulk of the handle bottom is in the way. Turns out anticlockwise with the right hand works too, somewhat less effective than theoretically possible because of the wrong skew, but OKish.

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Post by: Wspeed on June 22, 2018, 06:53:30 PM
Nicely done D_T :tu: :like: :like:
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Post by: Nix on June 22, 2018, 07:08:22 PM
D_T, I was looking closely at your can opener.

I think the factory grind on your opener was far superior to the grind on mine. Your can opener seems to have been ground in such a way as to give you a decent point on the tip. I had to regrind mine significantly to achieve that.

I'm amazed at the difference between our initial grinds. Glad yours is a worker!   :tu:

My PAD must have been made Monday morning, after a long weekend.    :cry:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 22, 2018, 08:17:04 PM
Thanks Wspeed :tu:
Agreed Nix, the point is pretty sharp and the forward edge halfway so, so I think I could easily improve it...
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Post by: Nix on June 22, 2018, 09:55:02 PM
My replacement Powerlock got delivered today.

(https://i.imgur.com/kQiUpIn.jpg)

Amanda at SOG was great to work with and I'm pleased with the swap.   :clap:

The Powerlock is certainly a bit quirky and eccentric, but the quality is definitely a couple of steps above my, now-returned, PAD. Maybe I just got a lemon.  I'll save specific thoughts for a Powerlock challenge.....starting tomorrow.  :tu:


In the meantime, I'll follow along with you guys as you finish up this Access to Power challenge!  :salute:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 22, 2018, 10:00:16 PM
Nice one Nix looking good  :cheers: :like: :like:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 22, 2018, 10:06:38 PM
+1 - great it got sorted out that quickly Nix! Enjoy :tu:
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 22, 2018, 10:56:53 PM
My replacement Powerlock got delivered today.

(https://i.imgur.com/kQiUpIn.jpg)

Amanda at SOG was great to work with and I'm pleased with the swap.   :clap:

The Powerlock is certainly a bit quirky and eccentric, but the quality is definitely a couple of steps above my, now-returned, PAD. Maybe I just got a lemon.  I'll save specific thoughts for a Powerlock challenge.....starting tomorrow.  :tu:


In the meantime, I'll follow along with you guys as you finish up this Access to Power challenge!  :salute:
Awesome! They sent you the slightly slimmer version (newest). I like it a bit more than the older models for general carry. Enjoy it. One of the few tools made that is almost the same as when it first came out.

Day 22:
China cabinet and the old oak blues. The oak is lways warped and/or skewed around the door, because of heavy glass. Removed the door, squared it up, filed the burr off a screw, drilled holes for a catch, put the door back on, and installed the catch pin on the door. Now for boat loads of finish work. :ahhh
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Post by: Wspeed on June 22, 2018, 10:58:56 PM
Nice work GLBM  :tu: :like: :like:
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Post by: Nix on June 22, 2018, 11:54:31 PM
Thanks, guys!   :cheers:

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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 23, 2018, 03:44:27 AM
Nice work GLBM  :tu: :like: :like:
Thank you, W! :cheers:
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Post by: ThePeacent on June 23, 2018, 12:43:30 PM
great on the new PowerLock! I will say it's probably the multitool model that I have abused the most throughout the years (I've had 3, now just 1)  and it took it like a Champ. I've dropped it from 20ft on concrete, :whistle: hammered on it with tools and wooden sticks :ahhh, stabbed and pried with the tips of the jaws and used it as a bludgeon on occasion  :facepalm:

Other than a few scratches, dents and bendung it's still like new and works flawlessly. :like:

I removed the covers on all three but they are nice to have.
Yes the inner tools leave a bit to be desired but are sufficient and the jaws/pliers are the main attractive to this tool.

One particular thing I've not heard anybody mention here is that the Compound Leverage is helpful in doubling the gripping force but also the opening force,
something that I've taken profit of when stabbing into drywall and then opening the tool to widen the hole, when prying things apart with the jaws, etc.

It is an advantage that none other multi tool manufacturers can claim to have on their tools :angel:, at the expense of having a wider arc of movement and plier handle separation when opening the jaws   :P
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 23, 2018, 02:46:31 PM
Day 23

I was having my first cup of coffee this morning
Outside on our bench When I noticed that the seat was broken

I measured the seat with the PAD at 45mm
So I found some screws at 35mm
And used the 1/4 driver with the adapter and Philips bit
To fix the bench seat

I started with the 1/4 driver at 180 degrees
Which worked fine for the first part
But as I screwed in the last bit I had to use
The 1/4 driver at 90 degrees as I found
That the handles were twisting past each other
on hard to fit or remove screws

Overall it did the job well  :tu:
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Post by: Nix on June 23, 2018, 03:05:06 PM
Nice use, W!

 :like:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 23, 2018, 03:14:34 PM
Nice use, W!

 :like:
Thanks Nix  :cheers: :like: :like:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 23, 2018, 08:28:32 PM
Day 23

"Hullo, Master Human. Pray forgive me... but I could fain fail to notice that thou art in possession of a fine tool. Wouldst thou find it in thy heart to divulge whither thou hast acquired it?"

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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 23, 2018, 08:51:20 PM
Good job on testing the durability, W! I have found the bit driver, being outboard on the PAD, makes it almost perfect for tough work. :cheers:


Day 23

"Hullo, Master Human. Pray forgive me... but I could fain fail to notice that thou art in possession of a fine tool. Wouldst thou find it in thy heart to divulge whither thou hast acquired it?"
1 vote for best challenge pic. :like:
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 23, 2018, 09:36:01 PM
PAD gets a day off, as I am attending a wedding this evening. :)
Day 23: Just sitting on the car seat after a 200 mile drive.
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Post by: Nix on June 23, 2018, 09:53:25 PM
Love the sheep snap, D_T!   :like:


Enjoy the wedding, G-man!   :tu:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 23, 2018, 09:54:11 PM
Day 23

"Hullo, Master Human. Pray forgive me... but I could fain fail to notice that thou art in possession of a fine tool. Wouldst thou find it in thy heart to divulge whither thou hast acquired it?"
1 vote for best challenge pic. :like:

Thanks :tu:
PAD gets a day off, as I am attending a wedding this evening. :)
Day 23: Just sitting on the car seat after a 200 mile drive.

That is a cool pic :tu:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 23, 2018, 11:03:04 PM
Cool pics D_T and GLBM  :like: :like: :tu:
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 23, 2018, 11:08:08 PM
Thank you Nix, D_T, and W! :cheers:
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Post by: ThePeacent on June 24, 2018, 12:15:17 PM


Day 23

"Hullo, Master Human. Pray forgive me... but I could fain fail to notice that thou art in possession of a fine tool. Wouldst thou find it in thy heart to divulge whither thou hast acquired it?"
1 vote for best challenge pic. :like:

+2!  :rofl:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 24, 2018, 12:27:19 PM


Day 23

"Hullo, Master Human. Pray forgive me... but I could fain fail to notice that thou art in possession of a fine tool. Wouldst thou find it in thy heart to divulge whither thou hast acquired it?"
1 vote for best challenge pic. :like:

+2!  :rofl:
+3 :rofl: :rofl: :like:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 24, 2018, 02:49:40 PM
Day 24

Not much going on today
So I helped with cutting cucumber
And opening a tin of hotdogs

I was surprised that the PE blade is still nice and sharp
And was able to cut thin slices of cucumber

Using the can opener was easier
as the lid on the tin seems thinner  :tu:

No problems to report  :D :like:
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Post by: Nix on June 24, 2018, 03:13:42 PM
Nice work , W!  :tu:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 24, 2018, 03:19:04 PM
Thanks Nix  :cheers:
Did you do anymore peening on those scissors  :tu:
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 24, 2018, 03:39:28 PM
Nice work, W! Looks like a little practice has made opening that can a bit easier. :)
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Post by: Nix on June 24, 2018, 03:40:40 PM
W, couldn't resist giving them another tap or two.   :rofl:   But time and use will tell me more.....  :tu:
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Post by: Don Pablo on June 24, 2018, 03:43:55 PM


Day 23

"Hullo, Master Human. Pray forgive me... but I could fain fail to notice that thou art in possession of a fine tool. Wouldst thou find it in thy heart to divulge whither thou hast acquired it?"
1 vote for best challenge pic. :like:

+2!  :rofl:
+3 :rofl: :rofl: :like:
+4! :D
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Don Pablo on June 24, 2018, 03:55:11 PM
My first real contribution.  ::)

Filed some soft plastic... I compared the PA file with the Victorinox SAK file, the older version before the current stainless steel version. The SAK that this file is on is a used 90’s/early 00’s swisschamp (I think the file was fairly unused prior to acquisition)

When sawing through the soft (but thick-ish) plastic, the SAK file was about twice as fast, but at the expense of needing a good technique and hold on the piece to prevent “catching” if you know what I mean. Kinda like sawing wood.

When filing the plastic on the side of the files to smoothen the edges... I thought that the PA file felt just as aggressive on the crosshatch side as the SAK on the aggressive side.  :think: But the SAK file has more area and no giant hole in it, so...  :D

Needs testing on different materials.

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Post by: Wspeed on June 24, 2018, 04:01:39 PM
Nice work, W! Looks like a little practice has made opening that can a bit easier. :)
It was easier to use the can opener  :D
But the metal on the tin is a bit thinner  :cheers:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 24, 2018, 04:03:19 PM
W, couldn't resist giving them another tap or two.   :rofl:   But time and use will tell me more.....  :tu:
Excellent look forward to see how
the scissors work in your challenge  :popcorn: :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 24, 2018, 04:13:27 PM
My first real contribution.  ::)

Filed some soft plastic... I compared the PA file with the Victorinox SAK file, the older version before the current stainless steel version. The SAK that this file is on is a used 90’s/early 00’s swisschamp (I think the file was fairly unused prior to acquisition)

When sawing through the soft (but thick-ish) plastic, the SAK file was about twice as fast, but at the expense of needing a good technique and hold on the piece to prevent “catching” if you know what I mean. Kinda like sawing wood.

When filing the plastic on the side of the files to smoothen the edges... I thought that the PA file felt just as aggressive on the crosshatch side as the SAK on the aggressive side.  :think: But the SAK file has more area and no giant hole in it, so...  :D

Needs testing on different materials.


Excellent testing Pabs :cheers:
Another good test would be the SAK
and SOG PA can opener comparison  :tu:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 24, 2018, 08:49:58 PM
Day 24
Posing shot only, tonight...

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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 25, 2018, 01:35:21 AM
Just got home. Day 24: A shot right before I left the hotel.
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Post by: Wspeed on June 25, 2018, 01:19:13 PM
Day 25

Today I used the saw to cut some bamboo stakes
For the garden plants

No problems   :tu:
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Post by: Nix on June 25, 2018, 02:52:10 PM
 :like:   

Great use for both bamboo and the PAD.   :tu:
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Post by: powernoodle on June 25, 2018, 03:33:27 PM
At this point, I am formally withdrawing from the PAD challenge. I'm sorry to say that I do feel a sense of relief with this decision.

This is the first Challenge I can remember where two of us have dropped out because we thought the MT was lame.  I too was relieved to send my back to Amazon.
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 25, 2018, 11:00:02 PM
Pity you two were less than satisfied... meanwhile, on Day 25, I am still mostly OK with mine, the main exceptions being the sheath's velcro and the file. Although the latter does work, after a fashion, I like it the least of all the tools on the PAD. No active duty today, so a beauty shot again.
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 26, 2018, 02:36:17 AM
Day off and the PAD got to go outside with a new knife.
Day 25:
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Post by: Nix on June 26, 2018, 02:39:19 AM
Nice Opi!
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 26, 2018, 02:44:09 AM
Thank you, Nix! :cheers:
The town where the wedding took place had a Cabela's store. The Opinel spoke to me. :D
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Post by: Nix on June 26, 2018, 02:46:51 AM
Cabela's often means trouble...... :rofl:
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 26, 2018, 02:52:09 AM
I have gotten into trouble at Bass Pro before, but managed to behave myself at Cabela's. They were so desperate to get ne to sign up for their CC that I got $20 off of the Opinel, a free Browning folding knife, free Cabela MT (junk), free Cabela club hat, and a big bucket of pretzel twists. :rofl:

I made out like a bandit, because I am never going to use that CC. I even told them I don't pay credit and they did it anyway. I even told them I live 200 miles away. I kept turning down the CC and they just kept piling stuff up to entice me. The $20 off the Opinel was the kicker. :rofl:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 26, 2018, 03:12:11 PM
Day 26

Today I started working on my bike
To get it ready for a MOT
So I have to put the road legal number
plate back on with the required reflector

I used the medium driver on the bottle opener
To hold the screws while undoing the
nuts on the back of the bracket

No problems with using the medium driver :tu:
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Post by: Nix on June 26, 2018, 04:34:11 PM
Nice use.

So......after the inspection the smaller plate gets put back on?  :think:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 26, 2018, 04:52:02 PM
Of course :rofl:

Day 26

Wanted to check the remaining charge on a battery, only to discover that the voltage tester had trouble with its own battery :facepalm:. The battery cover was secured with a small Phillips into which the small screwdriver just about fit perfectly. Not in the picture, the ensuing crimping of the 9V battery attachment with the PAD's pliers after which the battery and cover were replaced and measurements could proceed.

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Post by: Wspeed on June 26, 2018, 07:03:20 PM
Nice use.

So......after the inspection the smaller plate gets put back on?  :think:
Yes the standard plate is just to big  :ahhh
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Post by: Nix on June 26, 2018, 07:09:33 PM
And the pandas don't mind the non-MOT plate while you are on the road (presumably not speeding  :whistle:)?
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Post by: Wspeed on June 26, 2018, 07:20:46 PM
And the pandas don't mind the non-MOT plate while you are on the road (presumably not speeding  :whistle:)?
Most traffic police are ok
It’s that small percentage that gives you trouble
Most of the time that I have been stopped
is for a talk about speeding on their road
Not that I was speeding  :whistle:
As he or she don’t want to be dealing with
accidents or deaths again through speeding  :salute:

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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 27, 2018, 12:08:19 AM
Nice work, W. I watch a lot of car shows, so I have a small idea about what a pill an MOT cert can be. :ahhh

Day 26:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 27, 2018, 12:31:30 AM
Thanks GLBM  :cheers: :like: :like:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 27, 2018, 03:35:47 PM
Day 27

Today I am still finishing working on my bike
And I nearly forgot to fit the silencer tube to the exhaust
I used the integral bit holder on the PAD
with a Allen key bit from a different bit kit to fit the tube

No real problems
But could only do small turns as
the Allen bolt hasn’t got much space on the exhaust
The 1/4” driver with the adapter would of worked better
but I had to try  :D

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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 27, 2018, 04:23:31 PM
Day 27

Comparison shot of the PAD with a contestant in the next announced challenge, my Rebar VX.
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Post by: ThePeacent on June 27, 2018, 04:37:23 PM
Day 27

Comparison shot of the PAD with a contestant in the next announced challenge, my Rebar VX.

cool pair!!  :like:
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 27, 2018, 04:46:09 PM
:hatsoff::cheers:
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Post by: Nix on June 27, 2018, 04:54:14 PM
What is a Rebar VX...?   :ahhh

(And, do I need one?)
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 27, 2018, 05:32:19 PM
What is a Rebar VX...?   :ahhh

(And, do I need one?)

Of course you do. This is MTo.org, after all.

The only minor problem is, it's a hack (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,74592.msg1602330.html#msg1602330). You'll have to build one yourself ;) :D

But, honesty demands I point out that the VX does not have a cap lifter, as I just rediscovered :facepalm::cheers:
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 27, 2018, 06:48:54 PM
Nice! :like:

Day 27: Had to run a wire through the wall. Used the pad to cut the wire. The SOG jaw cutter portion makes one cut on 16-3 like a hot knife through butter.
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Post by: Wspeed on June 27, 2018, 06:49:46 PM
Nice one GLBM  :like: :like: :tu:
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Post by: Nix on June 28, 2018, 12:02:27 AM
...honesty demands I point out that the VX does not have a cap lifter, as I just rediscovered :facepalm::cheers:


You are soooooo going to fail the next challenge.....   :rofl: :cheers:
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Post by: gerleatherberman on June 28, 2018, 03:43:03 AM
Nice one GLBM  :like: :like: :tu:
Thank you, W!

 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
I forgot. I need to get some capped bottles to open. :ahhh
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Post by: Nix on June 28, 2018, 04:25:56 AM
You are running out of time...... :ahhh
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Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 28, 2018, 09:20:16 AM
...honesty demands I point out that the VX does not have a cap lifter, as I just rediscovered :facepalm::cheers:


You are soooooo going to fail the next challenge.....   :rofl: :cheers:

Ponch once told me of a trick I might try... :cheers:
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Post by: Don Pablo on June 28, 2018, 09:39:08 AM
...honesty demands I point out that the VX does not have a cap lifter, as I just rediscovered :facepalm::cheers:


You are soooooo going to fail the next challenge.....   :rofl: :cheers:

Ponch once told me of a trick I might try... :cheers:
No teeth!  :twak:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 28, 2018, 01:43:11 PM
Nice one GLBM  :like: :like: :tu:
Thank you, W!

 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
I forgot. I need to get some capped bottles to open. :ahhh
You haven’t got long left GLBM  :cheers: :drink: :like:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 28, 2018, 03:04:58 PM
Day 28

Not much going on today
But I did have a hook that needed
to be removed with the pliers
As it’s not needed anymore and
keep getting caught on it with my clothes

No problems with using the pliers  :tu:
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Post by: Nix on June 28, 2018, 03:07:09 PM
Excellent pliers use!   :tu:
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Post by: Wspeed on June 28, 2018, 03:08:45 PM
Thanks Nix  :cheers:
Made easy work of that hook  :D :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 28, 2018, 09:22:26 PM
Day 28

Getting close to the end of this challenge...

Checklist is almost completed, only the final task remaining.
These couple of days we're traveling, so again a beauty shot, this time in the hotel bathroom.

PS Have I told y'awl how much I have come to loathe the velcro on the sheath? :rant:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 28, 2018, 09:30:20 PM
That sheath needs some definite improving......
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 28, 2018, 10:20:49 PM
Definitely needs improvements  :rant: :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 28, 2018, 10:34:18 PM
To keep my sanity, I have convinced myself, it is a gravity flap sheath.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 29, 2018, 01:51:07 AM
The store didn't have the capped sodas I went for, but I did put another hole in an old work belt (from my heavier days) with the awl. It worked fairly well.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 29, 2018, 08:24:35 AM
To keep my sanity, I have convinced myself, it is a gravity flap sheath.  :rofl:
:rofl:

The moderately good news is, it seems that the velcro was added to the sheath in the last assembly step. People with a sewing machine and a supply of good quality sew-on velcro should have little trouble implementing an improved closure. As to the last, anyone know of a reliable online source? Because the rest of the sheath suits my needs...
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 29, 2018, 11:48:17 AM
The store didn't have the capped sodas I went for, but I did put another hole in an old work belt (from my heavier days) with the awl. It worked fairly well.

that belt looks strong, it will surely hold a lot of load  :like: :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 29, 2018, 12:17:01 PM
A job well done GLBM  :like: :like: :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 29, 2018, 02:16:33 PM
To keep my sanity, I have convinced myself, it is a gravity flap sheath.  :rofl:
:rofl:

The moderately good news is, it seems that the velcro was added to the sheath in the last assembly step. People with a sewing machine and a supply of good quality sew-on velcro should have little trouble implementing an improved closure. As to the last, anyone know of a reliable online source? Because the rest of the sheath suits my needs...

3M makes a good stick-on velcro that can easily sewed on. My observations have led me to think the hook side on the PAD sheath has hooks that are too small. The loop side sticks to my maglite sheath hook side quite well. :think:

The store didn't have the capped sodas I went for, but I did put another hole in an old work belt (from my heavier days) with the awl. It worked fairly well.

that belt looks strong, it will surely hold a lot of load  :like: :cheers:

 :rofl: indeed, it is good for imitating Batman's belt.  :D

A job well done GLBM  :like: :like: :tu:

Thank you, sir! :cheers:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 29, 2018, 02:22:41 PM
I wish that the popper that’s on
the back of the pouch was on the flap
I don’t like the popper on the back
I found that the popper undone
itself 4 times when sitting down
Throughout the challenge  :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 29, 2018, 04:47:12 PM
Day 29

Today I opened the last 2 bottles from
the 4 pack I especially bought for this challenge

As my daughter has just finished her exams
We aloud her to have one of the bottles
And the missus had the other one  :D

Again no problems using the cap lifter :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 29, 2018, 05:39:56 PM
Day 29

Today, a pic of how I avoid that the snap button on the back opens when you sit down ;)

Notice how the loop flap sits under the lower transversal webbing and is thus less subject to being lifted off.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 29, 2018, 05:40:54 PM
Excellent D_T I will give that a try  :cheers: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 29, 2018, 10:03:05 PM
Glad to be of help :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 29, 2018, 10:05:15 PM
I did the same as D_T and never had a problem with the snap coming undone.   :tu:

But I still don't like that sheath.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 29, 2018, 10:10:36 PM
The popper on the back of the
pouch worked well today with D_Ts tip :cheers:

But I still would like to see a popper
on the flap I Don’t like Velcro on a pouch 
But even with a popper on the flap
it’s still a rubbish pouch and doesn’t work
The bit set is in the wrong place
and that stops the flap to sit straight  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 29, 2018, 10:11:48 PM
Agreed.  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 29, 2018, 10:15:29 PM
Agreed.  :tu:
:cheers: :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 29, 2018, 11:07:43 PM
Wspeed, Nix, have you tried putting both the tool and the bit holder in the main pocket? Tight fit, but no rattle.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 29, 2018, 11:15:19 PM
Wspeed, Nix, have you tried putting both the tool and the bit holder in the main pocket? Tight fit, but no rattle.
I have but didn’t like it  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 29, 2018, 11:22:20 PM
I didn't try that. I'm surprised to hear there is enough space to do that. Had I kept the PAD, I would have made my own sheath for it, probably with a single pocket for both PAD and bit set.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 30, 2018, 05:05:45 AM
Post 1/2 for challenge checklist completion.

Bought a pack of diet Coke in the glass bottles for the cap lifter test. The cap lifter worked flawlessly. No issue with that, but then again, that is a hard tool to mess up.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 30, 2018, 05:09:21 AM
Post 2/2 for challenge checklist completion.

The measurement markers are pretty lame, but so are markings on most MTs(although Vic, LM and Gerber have more legible markings in general). Never a reliable measuring device. This is the first time I have used an MT to measure something. :ahhh
The blade cut the paper from the inside perfectly, but I had to use a saw motion to start the cut from the edge of the paper. After the initial sawing, the cut was fine. Seems about like it did when I started the challenge.

Checklist completed.  :tu:

Thank you again, Nix! The checklist made this one of the (if not THE) most comprehensive challenges on MT.o.  :cheers:

I will write an in-depth assessment as soon as I can to cover the toolset, feel, impressions, comparisons, and thoughts. :tu:
One more challenge day tomorrow. PAD is ready. :)
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on June 30, 2018, 09:27:48 AM
Day 30
Challenge completion post

This marks my completion of the 30-day Power Access Deluxe challenge. I'll be rating the various tools at points/10 below.

As visible from the narrower of the pics below, the PE blade still cuts as well as it did when new - a small blade-lengthwise movement on the edge of the sheet was enough to start the cut, with occasional like movements being necessary to proceed, without actual sawing being needed; no tears. Truth to tell, I have not used the PE blade excessively, but I did various cuts on rope and whittling on a wood stick, and I have not once touched up the blade. It is a tad slim (due to constructional details of the PAD - I'll come to that) but at least it uses the space available to it when folded to the fullest extent. I'll give it 8 points.

The SE blade, likewise, appears as sharp as ever. What I wrote above on the space usage of the PE blade applies here as well. 8 points.

The saw blade works quite well for its length. The saw teeth are still not noticeably duller than in the beginning - to the contrary, the finishing imperfections I noticed earlier (small residual barbs of thin metal about some of the planes on the teeth when unused) have disappeared after a few cuts, and any cutting impairment one might have imagined to be caused by them have as well. However (and this applies to the file as well) it could easily have been made at least 9mm longer and still fold into its space in the handle - one point demerit. 7 points.

The file. Volumes have been written about this. This combines the dubious distinctions of being by far the worst implement on the PAD and the worst file I personally have ever encountered on any multitool I have handled so far. While it works (through side effects of an imperfect cutting, no doubt) the grooves are ridiculously shallow and do not result in actual teeth being formed between them. Despite all this however, it does take off some metal when applied, at a fraction of the rate any other file achieves - although this appears to be the result of chance rather than design. 1 point.

The cap lifter and medium screwdriver work more or less as advertised, although some demerits are due for the rounded-off screwdriver blade edges, making purchase iffy on slotted-head screws (offset by slightly better usability on Phillips), the restricted reach due to the shape of the remainder of the tool and the slightly awkward hook angle on the cap lifter, resulting in some caps' edges not being caught immediately. 8 points.

The can opener and small screwdriver: the latter is OK apart from the same problems as the medium one; the can opener works, albeit at a slower rate than some other multitool can openers I know. There is a strange mismatch between the design, which appears to be made for left-handed clockwise opening motion, and its location, which kind of makes that impossible due to the bulk of tools and handle being in the way. The edge, though, is reasonably usable and could be sharpened if needed. The rating applies to mine - I hear there is a huge quality spread on the PADs out there. 6 points.

The jeweler's screwdriver is actually quite good: sharp edges on the blade help purchase and the long shaft adds reach. One demerit for a minor bend in the shaft. Still, 9 points.

The Phillips has a good head, allowing very small screws to be turned as well as larger ones, on a strangely awkwardly formed shaft. Beats me why it was formed this way, as it is necessary neither for its function nor for reaching the other tools, and severely limits reach e.g. on recessed screws. 7 points.

The large screwdriver / prying tool is pretty sturdy, but its one almost beveled edge makes purchase on slotted screws awkward, and as a prying tool one would have expected a notch. I have not ground it down to a chisel - that would probably work OK, I am guessing. 7 points.

The awl works as advertised, and its edge is easy to sharpen if one is so inclined. 8 points.

The best part of this tool apart from the compound leverage pliers are the multiple possibilities of using either the accompanying bit set or all generic 1/4" bits or extensions. This is very practical per se - the PAD adds to this two ways of using these, one as part of the back ends of the pliers (magnet helps keeping bits in place - the one downside is that one has to keep applying pressure to apply torque) and one dedicated stub as one of the handle tools, with as a bonus a 90° detent slot for added torque leverage if needed. 9 points.

Then the pliers. I have never previously owned a SOG and I really like the pliers. Compound leverage makes for doubled gripping strength at the cost of more handle splay and more space needed in the tool for the pliers at the cost of space available to the remaining tools, especially the longer ones (the blades spring to mind, pun intentional). On my PAD the alignment is perfect, wobble non-existent and the cutters (even if not replaceable) do their job as advertised and show no sign of dulling as yet. 9 points.

The sheath is moderately well designed, I find. Tool and bit set fit in the main pocket and I use the side loop for a light. This double usage of the main pocket adds some out-of-plane bulk but prevents the tool from moving around too much, which would be the case were it the sole resident. The execution, however, is mediocre (sloppy stitching) to poor (horrible velcro quality). Compared to e.g. a Leatherman Cordura Molle sheath with Velcro closure, it is beyond the pale. 3 points.

Overall design, look and feel: initial misgivings regarding the thin tool lock bar springs, as formed by making cutouts in the handle sides, did not turn into problems. The springs still work well and have not broken off. Lock continues to be positive even under adverse strain. One spring was slightly bent out of plane, without impairing the function. The matte metal finish reportedly is not to everyone's taste, but I, for one, don't mind, as it gives a reasonably slip-free grip and is adapted to covert operations for lack of reflection, without becoming entirely invisible if dropped in the underbrush, as a BO tool would. The overall design of the handles and tools is OK and space-saving, keeping in mind the notes applying to the various tools expressed above. The file, though, causes the overall rating to go down sharply. With a good file I'd have given the PAD an 8/10 overall, now it is a 7/10. I am not counting the sheath in this one.

Plans for improvements: I would be untrue to my screen name if I didn't have any ;)
The file: I have a spare ST 300 file lying around which I think can be converted. This would take care of the biggest gripe I have with the PAD.
Sharpening the can opener and awl edges should be easy and bring some benefits.
I might apply a pry bar notch.
I think I'll remove the velcro from the sheath and replace it, either with a better quality velcro, or with snap buttons like on Skinths.

Hope you all enjoyed this writeup, and especially the entire challenge - I surely have, also thanks to the detailed instructions. Many thanks to the initiators :tu: :2tu: :cheers:
 



Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 30, 2018, 12:20:57 PM
Day 30

Thanks again Nix for this excellent checklist
it would not of been the same without it :cheers:

Done the cutting test with the PE blade
And the same paper as on day 1

I expected it to be harder to cut
But it was easier as this time I didn’t
have to use any saw motion to cut the paper

Overall it’s a great MT
I found all the tools worked
It’s just the quality control I have a issue with
As all our files are below standards
And the can opener is not the best
And I think the pouch is badly designed

Apart from those 3 things I like the PAD
And totally agree with D_T with his score system
I give the PAD 7/10 :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: SteveC on June 30, 2018, 01:51:40 PM
Congrats fellas for a challenge well done !

Badges will be awarded as they are requested :cheers: :salute: :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 30, 2018, 02:01:44 PM
Thanks Steve  :cheers: :like: :like:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: RF52 on June 30, 2018, 03:16:46 PM
Great job with the challenge guys And congrats on the badges

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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 30, 2018, 03:23:20 PM
Great job with the challenge guys And congrats on the badges

Sent fra min FRD-L09 via Tapatalk


Thanks RF52  :cheers:
It was a great testing challenge for me
As This is my first SOG product  :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 30, 2018, 03:38:06 PM
Great job guys!  Well done, and nice write ups.

 :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 30, 2018, 03:45:36 PM
Thanks Nix and for the excellent checklist   :cheers:
Now I will be following your 30 day challenge  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on June 30, 2018, 04:39:29 PM
 :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 30, 2018, 06:16:25 PM
this was a very cool challenge with unexpected turns, interesting changes of pace and opinion and overall much more thorough and critic review  :gimme: and qualification for the tool and its implements.  ::)

Lots of things going on with this tool,  :ahhh
both in the bad and in the good,  ;)

Day 30
Challenge completion post

This marks my completion of the 30-day Power Access Deluxe challenge. I'll be rating the various tools at points/10 below.

As visible from the narrower of the pics below, the PE blade still cuts as well as it did when new - a small blade-lengthwise movement on the edge of the sheet was enough to start the cut, with occasional like movements being necessary to proceed, without actual sawing being needed; no tears.

even when I have to saw a bit to cut through something because the blade is a bit dull, I don't cry.  :rofl: :facepalm:
Tears are only reserved for blade snapping and total breakage of a valued and good knife  :D

Day 30


Done the cutting test with the PE blade
And the same paper as on day 1


so, not only did the blade not dull a bit like Dutch_Tooler's PAD blade,
but yours got sharper with use!!!  :ahhh :D  :facepalm:

Self Sharpening blades, like Wenger's scissors  :o ::)

Just kiddin you awl!  :cheers:

This was a good challenge and a heated and neat discussion about SOG and its recent doings, achievements and failures  :tu:  Thank you all!
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on June 30, 2018, 06:32:29 PM
I am glad that you enjoyed the challenge TP :cheers:
So now that the challenge is finished
Would you buy a SOG PAD  :think:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: ThePeacent on June 30, 2018, 07:14:09 PM
I am glad that you enjoyed the challenge TP :cheers:
So now that the challenge is finished
Would you buy a SOG PAD  :think:

I doubt it, :P  as I have moooore than enough tools for several lifetimes,  :ahhh
and all my SOGs, Leatherman, Gerber and Victorinox have been bought second hand used or traded, so no new tools for me,   :tu:
but maybe
 if one day in the future somebody lets it go and I have a very good price on it, I will  :salute:

...or maybe I'll wait to the next run with the updated file  :D
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 01, 2018, 12:42:20 AM
This was really a great challenge! I appreciate everyone who participated and congrats to the proud few of us who could answer the challenge with a completed checklist.  :cheers:

My last EDC carry pic of the PAD. Cleaned up my work room today and zip tied a bunch of wire up. Used the PAD to snip the ties.
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Nix on July 01, 2018, 12:49:19 AM
 :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on July 01, 2018, 01:01:06 AM
Nice one GLBM  :like: :like: :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 01, 2018, 03:31:24 AM
Thank you, gentlemen! :cheers:

Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on July 27, 2018, 06:26:00 PM
Addendum

The file on my PAD has now been replaced (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78075.msg1731938.html#msg1731938) with one worthy of the designation. In my book this brings the PAD up to an 8/10 rating. Let us hope SOG will take the hint as an opportunity for some upgrades in future...
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on July 27, 2018, 06:30:13 PM
Excellent job D_T :cheers: :like: :like:
I told Chris@SOG about the file
All I got back was: I will pass it on to the engineers  ??? :think: :ahhh
I just don’t think that they are
interested or care what we think  :rant:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: RF52 on July 27, 2018, 07:01:49 PM
Excellent job D_T :cheers: :like: :like:
I told Chris@SOG about the file
All I got back was: I will pass it on to the engineers  ??? :think: :ahhh
I just don’t think that they are
interested or care what we think  :rant:
Probably not as long as it sells

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Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 27, 2018, 09:05:38 PM
Excellent job D_T :cheers: :like: :like:
I told Chris@SOG about the file
All I got back was: I will pass it on to the engineers  ??? :think: :ahhh
I just don’t think that they are
interested or care what we think  :rant:
I am going to play devil's advocate for a second. Sorry W.

What else can Chris do, beside pass it on to engineering? Chris is customer service from what I can tell(if this assertion is false, I apologize). He can't really do anything to change the tool's design and build himself. :think:

If I'm incorrect, please let me know. :ahhh
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on July 27, 2018, 09:53:22 PM
Excellent job D_T :cheers: :like: :like:
I told Chris@SOG about the file
All I got back was: I will pass it on to the engineers  ??? :think: :ahhh
I just don’t think that they are
interested or care what we think  :rant:
I am going to play devil's advocate for a second. Sorry W.

What else can Chris do, beside pass it on to engineering? Chris is customer service from what I can tell(if this assertion is false, I apologize). He can't really do anything to change the tool's design and build himself. :think:

If I'm incorrect, please let me know. :ahhh
The Problem I have is that I told C/S the same file story
When getting my warranty replacement PAD sorted out
And no mention about the file
when they send me more emails back
I gave Chris and C/S the links to our challenge
So maybe they have had a look

I am not blaming Chris for his reply
I am more annoyed that nobody
can see that some of the tools and that Q/C is a joke
And allow them to be sold to customers

Someone in the company must know
that they are producing low quality MT tools
But what are they going to do about it
All I read about is SOG problems like quality

It’s a shame as I do like the SOG range of MTs
For me it’s the quality of the tools that puts me of
If they would improve on their tools and Q/C
I would love to buy more MTs
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 27, 2018, 10:55:58 PM
Fair enough. :cheers:

The "quality control" is done in China. SOG can tell them about problems all day long and I bet the Chinese factory management keeps saying they'll fix it and never do. SOG's problem(and a well known to them problem) is an unwillingness to change factories.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Wspeed on July 27, 2018, 11:14:40 PM
 :cheers: :tu:
Title: Re: Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 24, 2018, 09:08:36 PM
Sheath mod rebuild: https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,78522.msg1757060.html#msg1757060