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Title: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: dipti on June 28, 2014, 01:19:09 PM
I know Rescue knife is an all rounder when comes to emergency and outdoor situations. But here I want to particularly target the self defense area as of which knives can be categorized or specially suited for self defense purposes.

Not everyone can learn or do martial arts/tiquando so may be knowing and carrying a perfect knife with you will be more helpful.  :)

Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: bmot on June 28, 2014, 08:22:44 PM
I think using a knife for self defence requires a lot of skill, just as martial arts.


Besides that, often rescue knives are characterized by a blunt(ish) tip, especially for -not- penetrating skin... I can't imagine that's a good feature for a self defense knife...
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Smashie on June 28, 2014, 08:36:57 PM
The biggest mistake is people carrying weapon and NOT having the training to use it.

Nearly all training will teach you to be aware of your surroundings and to understand and honor any threats. The quickest way to end a confrontation is not to get into it in the first place.

There was a study done in the late 80's in the UK that proved that most people carrying knives for defense ended up with it being used on themselves.

I would take situational awareness over a knife or gun every time.

Cheers  :cheers:
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: greenbear on June 29, 2014, 08:33:09 AM
The biggest mistake is people carrying weapon and NOT having the training to use it.

Nearly all training will teach you to be aware of your surroundings and to understand and honor any threats. The quickest way to end a confrontation is not to get into it in the first place.

There was a study done in the late 80's in the UK that proved that most people carrying knives for defense ended up with it being used on themselves.

I would take situational awareness over a knife or gun every time.

Cheers  :cheers:

Well said Smashie - I agree with you 100% - I wouldn't even think of a knife as a weapon, defensive or not.  Asides of which "fighting knives" often have both sides of the blade sharpened (think Commando knife for example) and that is for a good reason.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: TheDude on July 03, 2014, 06:14:37 PM
I would agree with the above. And to be honest. Being a regular carrier of rescue knives I like the idea of such tools not being in anyway associated with combat, not least of which as this gives law enforcement the wrong idea.
If you must carry a knife for self defence. Carry a combat folder or similar. Learn how to use it with a martial art that encompasses weapons training. Would you really be willing to use it? Otherwise it's just a false sense of security.
I have seen the after effects of knife fights many times. It scared the hell out of the guys with minor injuries and nearly killed some others.
Lastly, I am not a gun owner, but a great man once said.... "Never bring a knife to a gunfight".
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Dragon Lord on July 03, 2014, 07:03:40 PM
I agree. If you don't know how to use it, better don't, even if you know is highly recommended to be your LAST resort. Also what kind of self defense are you talking about? Another knife carrier, a man with a gun, a wild animal... and the rescue knife it's designed for rescue, not for combat. I repeat like a LAST RESORT is ok i guess, but don't intend to use it for this purpose.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Kampfer on July 03, 2014, 08:05:33 PM
"Almost" any sharp pointy knives can be use as Self Defense, more or less. Depended on how you use it.
What do you consider as a Rescue Knife? Has a built in safety cutter for seat belt?
If answer is yes then there are few options.

Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Tomahawk Rob on July 06, 2014, 06:29:00 PM
Using any tool for self defense should be a last resort. Knife fights are usually over in less than 10 seconds. You may be the lucky one that walks away but you have to live with the results the rest of your life. The best defense is to retreat as fast as possible.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: greenbear on July 06, 2014, 08:08:59 PM
Using any tool for self defense should be a last resort. Knife fights are usually over in less than 10 seconds. You may be the lucky one that walks away but you have to live with the results the rest of your life. The best defense is to retreat as fast as possible.

Wise words - 100% agree  :salute:
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: nervium on July 07, 2014, 05:24:56 PM
knives are not defense weapons.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: greenbear on July 07, 2014, 07:38:35 PM
knives are not defense weapons.

Agree 100%  :tu:
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: captain spaulding on July 07, 2014, 07:55:12 PM
knives are not defense weapons.

Agree 100%  :tu:


I have to disagree on this one. While not a ideal defensive weapon it is a viable option. When it comes to defending against another human attacking you it is less ideal (in my opinion) as you could have it taken from you and used on yourself, but in a few situations a knife could save your smurf against a human attack. I would say a knife is a very viable option in defending yourself against say a dog if you got into a very sticky situation. I'm not saying engaging with the knife, but if you get a animal latched onto you or someone else and its not letting go a knife attack might be your only option.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Kampfer on July 07, 2014, 08:26:03 PM
Knife > nothing.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: comis on July 14, 2014, 09:51:58 AM
I think we have a good few threads talking about 'knife as self defense weapon', and so I won't repeat myself to bore anyone here.  :D


I would take situational awareness over a knife or gun every time.

Cheers  :cheers:

In short, this line above sum up half of what I said in every other knife defense thread.  :cheers:

The other half is best 'knife fight' or 'knife defense' or 'knife as last resort' situation is the one without me being involved.  Even though it may sound like I am stating the obvious, it underlines what I think is important in personal safety.  Let's be real, I am not constantly train to be an active combatant, and there is always consequences involved regardless who get hurt in the end.  Yes, it maybe better to be judged than carried, but to me, it is even better not to be judged or carried.


Knife > nothing.
So in context of what I just said, "Nothing ever happened > Knife".  ;)


Back to topic.  For last resort, I think it is common consensus that 'anything goes'.  As a weapon, there is a reason why combat knife are shaped/grind/designed a certain way, and depending which knife, it is probably less than ideal.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: captain spaulding on July 14, 2014, 10:20:07 AM
I just don't understand the mindset of some. You think just because you have situational awareness you can avoid every situation that might lead you to be a victim. That is just pure denial in my opinion. Sure you can avoid some situations, but anything can happen and some of those things are unavoidable. Wouldn't you rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it. :shrug:

I am not at all saying that a knife is a good or ideal weapon for self defense, but if it was literally your last resort I would hate to die thinking I could of done more. I think having a knife for defense against the 4 legged creatures is a much more logical and plausible thought to have.

I'm sure that some will disagree with me which is perfectly fine.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Corwyn on July 14, 2014, 10:56:26 AM
I could see something like the Vic Rescue Tool being used as such. Nice big, scary looking, locking OHO blade – especially the Black version – StayGlow looks too friendly. You don’t need a pointy blade as you don’t want to do damage – a few minor cuts to the hands would make an attacker back away.
I have about 4 years’ experience in fiddling with sharp, pointy things (6 months fencing,  3 years kendo) but I’d shudder at using a knife in a fight.

Still… a nice blade is good as a deterrent. I’ve been mugged a few times in my youth, and I hope it won’t ever happen again, but if it does, I can picture hoodlums saying “Whoa that big guy has a big scary knife, let’s back off and find easier prey… “

Also I run into bears constantly in the woods (they never bothered me though) and I doubt a knife would make much use – the bear would eat me than pick his teeth with my knife – but it makes me feel safer carrying it.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: greenbear on July 14, 2014, 12:13:04 PM
I just don't understand the mindset of some. You think just because you have situational awareness you can avoid every situation that might lead you to be a victim. That is just pure denial in my opinion. Sure you can avoid some situations, but anything can happen and some of those things are unavoidable. Wouldn't you rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it

I see your point here Cap'n, but I would argue (in the nicest way, of course) that the majority of average folks, and that includes me, are best served by the mentality of avoiding trouble wherever possible.  I see a rescue knife as a tool to help in event of accidents, first aid etc (usually on others as often a victim is in need of external help). Obviously, as you rightly say, it is impossible to avoid every situation, and yes, I guess in those circumstances there is place for rescue knives.

I have trouble visualising a situation where I might use  a knife for defence, certainly in any form of civil disorder (such as a fight or assault) I honestly think I would come off worse, by a large margin.  I did, however, look into dog attacks, and can see your point although I'm not too sure I'd want to make a dog even more angry with me by sticking a sharp into it   :)

Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: RamoN on July 14, 2014, 04:54:16 PM
Specifically a knife is something that requires skill to be used properly at self defense. One reason is that a cut or a stab wont stop the other person inmediatly unless you really know what you are doing, it will just make it more angry and you would most likely lose your knife in the first attack.

Second if you do effectively wound the other person to make it stop, there is a high chance of inflicting fatal wounds with a knife and even though you are defending yourself is not easy to have a potential dead in your conscience.

Third do you know how you will react if you land a cut and see blood splashing everywhere like a face cut for example? if you dont have experience with that kinds of situations you will most likely lose awareness and risk giving the attacker room to reach you. For all those reasons i think that anything with an edge is not a good idea for the inexperienced with those kind of weapons.

Now blunt weapons like a closed multitool, a baton, etc. is a far better choice for the person who doesnt have weapons training.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: SolomonKane79 on July 14, 2014, 05:52:13 PM
My opinion is that knives ARE a self defense weapons. I can't agree with people saying it requires training, comparing it to martial arts. Do you need years of martial arts training to throw a punch? But i agree that if you can't unfold a knife and use it to stab without getting disarmed or hurting yourself then yes, you should not carry a knife, but you probably should have someone slicing your steaks for you, too. I think even rescue knives can be used as a weapon, beside the blunt tip, the usually have a glass breaker which could leave serious wounds.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: captain spaulding on July 14, 2014, 08:04:56 PM
I just don't understand the mindset of some. You think just because you have situational awareness you can avoid every situation that might lead you to be a victim. That is just pure denial in my opinion. Sure you can avoid some situations, but anything can happen and some of those things are unavoidable. Wouldn't you rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it

I see your point here Cap'n, but I would argue (in the nicest way, of course) that the majority of average folks, and that includes me, are best served by the mentality of avoiding trouble wherever possible.  I see a rescue knife as a tool to help in event of accidents, first aid etc (usually on others as often a victim is in need of external help). Obviously, as you rightly say, it is impossible to avoid every situation, and yes, I guess in those circumstances there is place for rescue knives.

I have trouble visualising a situation where I might use  a knife for defence, certainly in any form of civil disorder (such as a fight or assault) I honestly think I would come off worse, by a large margin.  I did, however, look into dog attacks, and can see your point although I'm not too sure I'd want to make a dog even more angry with me by sticking a sharp into it   :)


I know this thread is about a rescue knife, but in my post I was referring more to your standard "defensive" knife. A rescue knife is just about the last thing I would choose for a "defensive" option.

Pertaining to using it in a defensive manner. I would never suggest using it to kill anybody, but purely as a option to stop the attack long enough to retreat. If the attacker perishes from the attack then so be it. Say you get pinned against a wall and are very close to the attacker. If you can get off a slicing attack to the back of the arm, The area just above the knee cap, neck, or face you will hopefully have time to retreat.

As for the dog attacks. I feel this is much more of a worry and probability and you have no worry of the knife being used against yourself. If a dog is latched onto you and not letting go a knife attack (in my opinion) would be a very viable option. Either across the throat or a stabbing attack to the chest and/or lung area. If he doesn't let go he will most likely die in a minute or so.

I know it sounds cruel, but honestly if your life is on the line then nothing is off limits. Do what you have to do.

These are just my opinions on the matter. I respect everyone right to their own opinion as well.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: captain spaulding on July 14, 2014, 08:16:06 PM
Specifically a knife is something that requires skill to be used properly at self defense. One reason is that a cut or a stab wont stop the other person inmediatly unless you really know what you are doing, it will just make it more angry and you would most likely lose your knife in the first attack.

Second if you do effectively wound the other person to make it stop, there is a high chance of inflicting fatal wounds with a knife and even though you are defending yourself is not easy to have a potential dead in your conscience.

Third do you know how you will react if you land a cut and see blood splashing everywhere like a face cut for example? if you dont have experience with that kinds of situations you will most likely lose awareness and risk giving the attacker room to reach you. For all those reasons i think that anything with an edge is not a good idea for the inexperienced with those kind of weapons.

Now blunt weapons like a closed multitool, a baton, etc. is a far better choice for the person who doesnt have weapons training.


I do agree that their is a huge risk of having the knife taken from you and used against yourself.

I don't know about anyone else and cannot speak for anyone else, but if someone is willing to kill/injure me in a attack I have no mercy for them in whatever may come of their actions.

As for the reaction to blood or whatnot. Whose blood would you rather see yours or theirs?

As for using a closed multitool or baton as a "far better" option I have to strongly disagree. That's definitely something that will just piss someone off and has much more potential of being taken and used against you. I think a "far better" option for someone with no training is pepper spray or a proper tazer that shoots the prongs.






 
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: captain spaulding on July 14, 2014, 08:17:24 PM
These are all my opinions and all of this is written with respect. I do not mean to offend anyone or anything like that. I said my piece and this debate could go on forever so i'm done with the subject.  :tu:
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Kampfer on July 14, 2014, 08:23:32 PM
captain spaulding :salute: :tu:
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Lichtbote on July 14, 2014, 10:48:18 PM
A lot of interesting ideas - i wonder if anyone who argues for it as a self defense weapon has real experience or at least some real training.

A knive might be a good attack weapon, for example if you are behind enemy lines and need to take a guard-post out of the game as silent as possible (at least if you know what to do).  But i would prefer to have something like a Gerber MK 1 or 2, or something like a Faitnairn Sykes for such a use. For self defense in a civil standard situation (disable the attacker and run) ..... i would prefer other things than a knive.

I once had a discussion with a police officer regarding carrying knifes, and when he wants to know my opinion if my knife may be carried also as a self defense tool, i answered: "Never. Even if it might be able to help you out, the law enforcement will treat you as the criminal factor. You have a knife and know how to use it, so you for sure were responsible due to not running away. It wouldn´t matter if you could have run or not - as long as you are the one with the knife, you are guilty. But if i grab a brick, a hammer, some massive wood - whatever .... i can smash his head, every single teeth in his mouth, his knees, ...... and there is a good chance i still will be seen at court as the victim that needed to defend himself."

Judging by his look, that was not the answer he expected.  :D

Dogs are a different story, there it depends what kind of training they had. A watchdog is usually trained to be loud, so a knife is not as effective as on a human guard. Most dogs attack the first limb they can get, then you have a good chance he bites your arm if you offer it to him. And if you have a knive ready, and are still standing after his jump on you, you might be able to wound him while he chews on your forearm. There are races that wouldn´t be impressed if you stab their throat or chest - if he hangs on your left arm, try to slice his belly so that all his guts fall on the ground. But there is still a big instability factor, just loosing your balance a little bit may make him win.

OK, there are also some dogs that are trained to attack silently and without any warning, directly going to the throat - they are ..... well, thank god they are rare, and i hope to never get in contact with one.

Under the line - no, a knive is no good weapon for self defense, in fact it is a bad one. On the other hand it might be your only available one.

But acting in a way you were not considered as the possible victim by the bad boys, avoiding dangerous situations, is the way best defense.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: av8r1 on July 15, 2014, 04:23:31 AM
I don't think it's a good idea to think of a knife--any knife--as a weapon.  I REALLY don't think it's a good idea to carry a knife for the express purpose of using it as a weapon, even a defensive one.  In fact, doing so is a good indicator that you don't need to be handling knives.

First of all, knives make horrible defensive weapons.  If drawing the knife doesn't convince your aggressor to abort his attack entirely, you WILL get cut.  Or shot.  About the only way to not get hurt in a knife fight is to be the aggressor against a helpless victim.

Second, I would make a strong effort to avoid feeling emboldened by carrying what you consider a weapon.  If you feel like you need a weapon to walk in certain places, just don't walk in those places.  "I have a weapon, therefore I can..." is how idiots start sentences.  If you do choose to carry a weapon, DO NOT let it change your behavior in any way.  Go about your business as normal.  Don't take greater risks because you're packing.

Third, a rescue knife is probably the worst weapon I can think of.  To me, a rescue tool is one designed to cut seat belts and break glass to help you escape from a car you can't otherwise get out of.  As someone else said, it's designed to be difficult to hurt someone with, and also, I WOULD LEAVE A TOOL LIKE THAT IN MY CAR.  The contents of your glove box are not helpful in a fight.

As for animals, there are very few I would feel safe from because I have a knife.  If I have to go somewhere with dangerous wildlife, I want a repeating rifle and the training to use it.  Oh I'll want a knife in that environment too, but for utility tasks, not as a weapon.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: comis on July 15, 2014, 08:25:23 AM
I just don't understand the mindset of some. You think just because you have situational awareness you can avoid every situation that might lead you to be a victim. That is just pure denial in my opinion. Sure you can avoid some situations, but anything can happen and some of those things are unavoidable. Wouldn't you rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it

I see your point here Cap'n, but I would argue (in the nicest way, of course) that the majority of average folks, and that includes me, are best served by the mentality of avoiding trouble wherever possible.  I see a rescue knife as a tool to help in event of accidents, first aid etc (usually on others as often a victim is in need of external help). Obviously, as you rightly say, it is impossible to avoid every situation, and yes, I guess in those circumstances there is place for rescue knives.

I have trouble visualising a situation where I might use  a knife for defence, certainly in any form of civil disorder (such as a fight or assault) I honestly think I would come off worse, by a large margin.  I did, however, look into dog attacks, and can see your point although I'm not too sure I'd want to make a dog even more angry with me by sticking a sharp into it   :)


I know this thread is about a rescue knife, but in my post I was referring more to your standard "defensive" knife. A rescue knife is just about the last thing I would choose for a "defensive" option.

Pertaining to using it in a defensive manner. I would never suggest using it to kill anybody, but purely as a option to stop the attack long enough to retreat. If the attacker perishes from the attack then so be it. Say you get pinned against a wall and are very close to the attacker. If you can get off a slicing attack to the back of the arm, The area just above the knee cap, neck, or face you will hopefully have time to retreat.

As for the dog attacks. I feel this is much more of a worry and probability and you have no worry of the knife being used against yourself. If a dog is latched onto you and not letting go a knife attack (in my opinion) would be a very viable option. Either across the throat or a stabbing attack to the chest and/or lung area. If he doesn't let go he will most likely die in a minute or so.

I know it sounds cruel, but honestly if your life is on the line then nothing is off limits. Do what you have to do.

These are just my opinions on the matter. I respect everyone right to their own opinion as well.


Capt,


I totally agree with you on the 4 legged attacks, as cruel as it may sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuXAAuyCKO8


Even though I always stress a holistic personal safety approach(travel plan, alternative, attire, weapon, etc)should be the first line of defense, I don't think 'defensive weapon' and 'situational awareness' are mutually exclusive.  In fact, I would say they are closely related.

What I like to stress is, given a sensible individual has taken all the proper precaution, and God forbid, something happens and a person has to use it as a last resort to fight for his life, most certainly I wish he has the best gear on him for the job.  But it is entirely a different matter, if a person put a knife/weapon on him, and (partially) relax what supposed to be proper caution.

I have known friends who had served or worked in dangerous area of the world, and the stories I heard about using knife as a weapon(or defense against knife attack) are always grim.  I know it is not the same as conflict on a street, but it served as a reminder why I should always try my best to steer clear of it.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: ironraven on July 18, 2014, 02:56:45 AM
Anything can be a weapon. Some things make better weapons than others, say, a .38 is a better weapon than an empty sock. But if you've got the right motivation, yeah, an empty sock is a weapon. A sock attached to a Marine makes a better one, but you get the point. Or a midget. A midget-flail is an amazing weapon because it confuses and horrifies everyone. Especially the midget.  :D

If you're asking if something makes a good weapon before desperation forces your hand, either (a) your skill levels aren't high enough to say "yes" or (b) you're trying to get around a law or at least trying to be overly clever.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: cool123 on November 10, 2014, 12:33:57 PM
I myself believe that any tool can prove to be a self defence utility but you have to see that they are used in a right context. But knives is the best option for the self defence.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: jekostas on November 20, 2014, 06:15:00 AM
I myself believe that any tool can prove to be a self defence utility but you have to see that they are used in a right context. But knives is the best option for the self defence.

No stopping power
No reach
Requires significant training simply to draw under stress, much less use properly

and last, but *definitely* not least,

Considered a lethal force implement in most places in the world

Actually, knives make incredibly, incredibly poor self defense options.  If you're in an area or a profession that necessitates you carrying something for self defense, a gun, baton or a good weighty flashlight are substantially more effective.  With proper training, of course.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Lichtbote on November 20, 2014, 12:12:43 PM
If you're in an area or a profession that necessitates you carrying something for self defense, a gun, baton or a good weighty flashlight are substantially more effective.  With proper training, of course.

I agree, partly.

But not the gun - in fact it is a really poor self defense tool. It just has a good lobby from the gun-loving parts of a society.

It´s good to have in a region where wild and potential dangerous animals live - if it has enough stopping power for them.

And it may also be mostly OK to try to defend your home from intruders - IF you heard them first, then had the time to pick your gun, and so on and so on, .....

But other than such a scenario ....... it needs a pretty dumb thug to start screaming "i kill you if you don´t ..." at a distance that gives you enough time to pull your comfy concealed weapon and bring it to action soon enough.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Etherealicer on November 20, 2014, 12:58:56 PM
If you're in an area or a profession that necessitates you carrying something for self defense, a gun, baton or a good weighty flashlight are substantially more effective.  With proper training, of course.

I agree, partly.

But not the gun - in fact it is a really poor self defense tool. It just has a good lobby from the gun-loving parts of a society.

It´s good to have in a region where wild and potential dangerous animals live - if it has enough stopping power for them.

And it may also be mostly OK to try to defend your home from intruders - IF you heard them first, then had the time to pick your gun, and so on and so on, .....

But other than such a scenario ....... it needs a pretty dumb thug to start screaming "i kill you if you don´t ..." at a distance that gives you enough time to pull your comfy concealed weapon and bring it to action soon enough.
No, a gun is not good for self-defense in your home. The risks by far outweigh the potential benefits (Hemenway, American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine).

Quote
Perhaps surprisingly, the evidence does not indicate that having a gun reduces the risk of being a victim of a crime or that having a gun reduces the risk of injury during the commission of a crime.

also:
Method of Resistance (Likelihood of injury)
Running away (most successful, sadly no number provided)
Calling the police or a guard (0.9%)
Pulling a gun (2.5% only slightly better than)
Yelling (2.7%)

These are all numbers from the USA
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: dks on November 20, 2014, 01:10:12 PM
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Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Lichtbote on November 20, 2014, 01:23:14 PM
No, a gun is not good for self-defense in your home. The risks by far outweigh the potential benefits (Hemenway, American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine).

Quote
Perhaps surprisingly, the evidence does not indicate that having a gun reduces the risk of being a victim of a crime or that having a gun reduces the risk of injury during the commission of a crime.

also:
Method of Resistance (Likelihood of injury)
Running away (most successful, sadly no number provided)
Calling the police or a guard (0.9%)
Pulling a gun (2.5% only slightly better than)
Yelling (2.7%)

These are all numbers from the USA

As i said ... "it may be - IF ....."

And as i think most (nearly none) gun-owners are not fit enough on the "if", it was just a way for me to say it more nice than a plain "stupid idea".  ;)
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: ducttapetech on November 20, 2014, 01:57:34 PM
If you're in an area or a profession that necessitates you carrying something for self defense, a gun, baton or a good weighty flashlight are substantially more effective.  With proper training, of course.

I agree, partly.

But not the gun - in fact it is a really poor self defense tool. It just has a good lobby from the gun-loving parts of a society.

It´s good to have in a region where wild and potential dangerous animals live - if it has enough stopping power for them.

And it may also be mostly OK to try to defend your home from intruders - IF you heard them first, then had the time to pick your gun, and so on and so on, .....

But other than such a scenario ....... it needs a pretty dumb thug to start screaming "i kill you if you don´t ..." at a distance that gives you enough time to pull your comfy concealed weapon and bring it to action soon enough.
No, a gun is not good for self-defense in your home. The risks by far outweigh the potential benefits (Hemenway, American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine).

Quote
Perhaps surprisingly, the evidence does not indicate that having a gun reduces the risk of being a victim of a crime or that having a gun reduces the risk of injury during the commission of a crime.

also:
Method of Resistance (Likelihood of injury)
Running away (most successful, sadly no number provided)
Calling the police or a guard (0.9%)
Pulling a gun (2.5% only slightly better than)
Yelling (2.7%)

These are all numbers from the USA
Hell, we can quote numbers all day long........
I do know from experience, that a gun is good for home defence. Luckly and thank god I have not had to shoot someone.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Aloha on November 20, 2014, 05:22:56 PM
I look at it simply as, yes it is good to be prepared.  This being said the immediate next thought is, will you actually do anything!

Lets face it not everyone is going ot react like a cornered cat.  I've seen way to many times the FIGHT OR FLIGHT response as mostly FLIGHT. 


Ok so when we talk self defense are we talking life threatening?
Are we talking being mugged?

I really dont see anyone honestly responding with a knife or gun or stick or whatever for anything less that life threatening and even then I see hesitation. 

How many trained officers have never fired their weapons?  I know more officers who have never drew their weapons let alone fired them. 

Ok so, recently again in my city there was several individuals involved in a fight that resulted in a knifing/stabbing.  The was a thrusting motion of the stabber not a slashing motion.  There were people around that didnt even know the fight involved a knife.  It was violent and very quick.   

I dont believe you need to be "properly" trained to stab anyone.  What you need is the "ability" to actually do it and this is what I question.  A pointy blade and thrusting/punching attack seems like whats mostly used, think prison stabbings.   

Most of us are law abiding citizens who have never been involved in a fight not to mention a life threatening fight. 

I don't want to sound like I'm getting after anyone but when hear self defense I worry.

To me the bottom line is it doesnt matter what you carry it's will you actually use it and are you willing to deal with the consequences?

Life threatening vs mugging or similar are very different and in most cases a robbery by weapon or strong arm the person just wants the valuables. 

Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Kampfer on November 20, 2014, 05:53:52 PM
An incident took place last year at our resident.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=688845

Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Lichtbote on November 20, 2014, 07:43:27 PM
will you actually use it and are you willing to deal with the consequences?

In my opinion it can be even brought down to more basic: Even if you are willing .... are you being just simple able to react?

If someone has you in a dark sidestreet, pointing a gun to you and nicely asking for money, (or as a lady) holding a knife on your throat to force to rape you, do you really believe he would inform you early enough, so that you can grab under layers of clothes or in a fancy maxped-bag to get your own gun?

Or if someone wants to assault you he´s gonna give you a warning when he is still 20 yards away to give you time to prepare? Or will he wait until he is under 2-3 yards from you before he pulls his weapon and goes on you? If he is clever enough to engage from 2 yards, who will say he is able to start without being warned over pulling his own gun and get it ready for action within the timeframe the attacker needs for making 2 steps and his first stab? (and when feeling the pain all your planned actions will be void)  :D
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: jekostas on November 20, 2014, 08:08:16 PM
Didn't mean to open a can of worms here, just pointing out that knives are terrible options for self defense.  I'm not a huge fan of guns, personally.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: captain spaulding on November 20, 2014, 08:19:42 PM
If you're in an area or a profession that necessitates you carrying something for self defense, a gun, baton or a good weighty flashlight are substantially more effective.  With proper training, of course.

I agree, partly.

But not the gun - in fact it is a really poor self defense tool. It just has a good lobby from the gun-loving parts of a society.

It´s good to have in a region where wild and potential dangerous animals live - if it has enough stopping power for them.

And it may also be mostly OK to try to defend your home from intruders - IF you heard them first, then had the time to pick your gun, and so on and so on, .....

But other than such a scenario ....... it needs a pretty dumb thug to start screaming "i kill you if you don´t ..." at a distance that gives you enough time to pull your comfy concealed weapon and bring it to action soon enough.
No, a gun is not good for self-defense in your home. The risks by far outweigh the potential benefits (Hemenway, American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine).

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Perhaps surprisingly, the evidence does not indicate that having a gun reduces the risk of being a victim of a crime or that having a gun reduces the risk of injury during the commission of a crime.

also:
Method of Resistance (Likelihood of injury)
Running away (most successful, sadly no number provided)
Calling the police or a guard (0.9%)
Pulling a gun (2.5% only slightly better than)
Yelling (2.7%)

These are all numbers from the USA
Hell, we can quote numbers all day long........
I do know from experience, that a gun is good for home defence. Luckly and thank god I have not had to shoot someone.


This^^^

If someone does not want to protect themselves with a firearm in or outside of their home then that is their decision and I am not saying you are right or wrong. All I know is if someone kicks down your door and comes into your house to Kill or Rape you or you wife and kids then their is no way in hell I would choose anything else but a firearm if I have the choice. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Lichtbote on November 20, 2014, 08:39:00 PM
It´s not that i don´t believe your intention to defend. It´s more that i don´t believe "you" (or others) are capable of doing it effectively in reality.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Kampfer on November 20, 2014, 08:45:15 PM
It´s not that i don´t believe your intention to defend. It´s more that i don´t believe "you" (or others) are capable of doing it effectively in reality.
With years of battle reenactment and simulated combats with LEO, anyone try to break in Kampfer's bunker would be terribly sorry and be greet with a storm of 7.62x39mm.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: captain spaulding on November 20, 2014, 08:50:31 PM
It´s not that i don´t believe your intention to defend. It´s more that i don´t believe "you" (or others) are capable of doing it effectively in reality.


I understand what you are saying and while in some situations you described the criminal will probably have the jump on you and you will be screwed. I only see these situations being a small percentage of how a attack could actually happen.

Addressing the capability to defend ones self. It seems as though you personally could not since you do not believe others are capable making me believe you, yourself do not feel capable. I think it would be correct to say some may not be capable to defend themselves, but I would think the majority would fight back in a life or death situation.

This is not a shot at you in any way. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Lichtbote on November 20, 2014, 08:52:34 PM
With years of battle reenactment and simulated combats with LEO, anyone try to break in Kampfer's bunker would be terribly sorry and be greet with a storm of 7.62x39mm.


 :D

Small Soldiers (4/10) Movie CLIP - Speech of Speeches (1998) HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul_HuCZxxNU#ws)

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Lichtbote on November 20, 2014, 09:08:54 PM
I understand what you are saying and while in some situations you described the criminal will probably have the jump on you and you will be screwed. I only see these situations being a small percentage of how a attack could actually happen.

Addressing the capability to defend ones self. It seems as though you personally could not since you do not believe others are capable making me believe you, yourself do not feel capable. I think it would be correct to say some may not be capable to defend themselves, but I would think the majority would fight back in a life or death situation.

This is not a shot at you in any way. Just my opinion.

Not taken as a shot on me.  :D

The difference may be that i have been trained, so i know what i´m capable to, at what circumstances a effective defense is doable (or at least have a chance good enough to try). I´ve been no rangeshooting couchwarrior.

Other than you i think the percentage where it really could be used with a good chance to success are really small.
A gun in the hand of a civilist often only gives him a wrong feeling of safety, which unfortunately leads often to wrong decisions. That´s the real danger, Joe Sixpack trying to be John Rambo when it would be better to try to be Justin Gatlin.  ;)
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: captain spaulding on November 20, 2014, 09:20:57 PM
I understand what you are saying and while in some situations you described the criminal will probably have the jump on you and you will be screwed. I only see these situations being a small percentage of how a attack could actually happen.

Addressing the capability to defend ones self. It seems as though you personally could not since you do not believe others are capable making me believe you, yourself do not feel capable. I think it would be correct to say some may not be capable to defend themselves, but I would think the majority would fight back in a life or death situation.

This is not a shot at you in any way. Just my opinion.

Not taken as a shot on me.  :D

The difference may be that i have been trained, so i know what i´m capable to, at what circumstances a effective defense is doable (or at least have a chance good enough to try). I´ve been no rangeshooting couchwarrior.

Other than you i think the percentage where it really could be used with a good chance to success are really small.
A gun in the hand of a civilist often only gives him a wrong feeling of safety, which unfortunately leads often to wrong decisions. That´s the real danger, Joe Sixpack trying to be John Rambo when it would be better to try to be Justin Gatlin.  ;)


Again, I feel like it is just a generalized statement. Just because one has a firearm does not mean they are looking for trouble or are trying to shoot someone. I am not sure in what you mean about wrong decisions? Are you saying someone shoots in defense when they should not or are you saying someone would try to pull a firearm when they are already "compromised" and getting themselves hurt?

Anyways, we both have our opinions and i'm sure neither of us is going to change either persons mind on the matter. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. We both just think about things differently.  :salute:
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Lichtbote on November 20, 2014, 09:58:16 PM
Quote
Are you saying someone shoots in defense when they should not or are you saying someone would try to pull a firearm when they are already "compromised" and getting themselves hurt?


No, nothing that way like shooting when not shouldn´t. And the pulling of a weapon when already compromised is one of the examples of being in a situation where having a gun is useless (i assume not many would be that stupid to try to pull their gun being in front of a gun already).

You put the emphasis on the wrong part of my statement, maybe my meaning is better visible here:

gives him a wrong feeling of safety, which unfortunately leads often to wrong decisions. That´s the real danger, Joe Sixpack trying to be John Rambo when it would be better to try to be Justin Gatlin.  ;)

In other words - the danger of someone having a weapon and thinking "I have a gun and can defend my family" instead of going the way of getting your family and run. I know it´s not that heroic, but if someone comes through the frontdoor it´s better to flee with wife and kids on the other side of the house, than risking them getting hit in a shootout.


Sorry if my english is that bad that my opinion can´t be described properly.  :(
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Aloha on November 20, 2014, 11:29:39 PM
Michael your points are exactly how I feel. 

Let me try to clarify,  If someone is being mugged I don't see many reacting in any other way than giving up their valuables.  I believe this is the best way to handle it. 

Michael is right also that the attack will come stealthy so there very well will be little time to react.  I am of the belief that most would be incapable as well. 

The false sense he's referring to is when people are armed.  These "tools" give the person a false sense of protection and belief they can and are capable of handling themselves.  I believe differently as I have rarely if ever hear about a mugger getting "dealt with" by a potential victim. 

Someone entering your home is a far different situation and one that IMO is hard to say what one would do.  There were many residential burglaries that gangs were committing while heavily armed and while the residents were home.  I'm not entirely sure how one would handle that.  If you had early warning devices set up then maybe you could get the jump but I dont know how many have these.

There was an incident where a young mom confronted 2 would be burglars with her weapon and shot and killed one, while wounding the other.  This situation is one I've rarely heard of as well. 

I just dont think many people really think it all thru.  There is this feeling that everyone wants to be an OPERATOR or general baddass and its scary.

We wont agree but thats ok.  This is not a topic that one side wins while the other looses. We all want to live in peace and be free from worry about these sort of things and having a conversation is healthy.

     

 
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: captain spaulding on November 20, 2014, 11:38:07 PM
Now you have me confused.  :D

Someone within feet of you with a gun pointed at you and you want to run! They would just shoot you in the back. I do agree if you get caught on the street and they get the jump on you the best option in most situations would be to give them what they want. 

I'm sorry, but around here if someone breaks into your house they are getting shot. Trying to get the family and flee is not really a viable option unless you have a huge house or your house layout would accommodate it. This is even more apparent if you live in a two story house as most of the bedrooms are upstairs and if someone kicks in the door while you are upstairs or sleeping their is no way I am going to try and get the family down the stairs and past them. That is just putting them in more harm in my opinion.

Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Kampfer on November 20, 2014, 11:40:23 PM
I am with Cap.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Aloha on November 20, 2014, 11:55:45 PM
If someone enters a home while the residents are there this is a very very scary situation and one none of us wants to be in.   

Self defense is one thing and this is a whole other ball game. 

Life threatening situations are one thing while so called self defense situations are another.

I'd say this if someone enters a home at night then they most likely have bad intentions and each family hopefully has practiced what to do.
When my kids were younger we did have many practice scenarios.  I also have a dog as my early warning. 

Carrying a knife of any kind or weapon thinking you will defend yourself on the street is your business.  I just believe most would not be prepared to do so nor would they have time in most cases. 

In your home defense is a whole other scenario.  I sure hope non of us ever are faced with these situations and all this talk is just that, talk. 

It is interesting to hear what others feeling are.       

Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Lichtbote on November 21, 2014, 12:18:07 AM
Now you have me confused.  :D

Someone within feet of you with a gun pointed at you and you want to run! They would just shoot you in the back. I do agree if you get caught on the street and they get the jump on you the best option in most situations would be to give them what they want.

In that situation running would be as stupid as pulling a knife or gun.  :D Give them what they want and hope they will leavo, or someone else sees it and calls the police. Just don´t make them nerveous, as most are no trained killers and already are under pressure with that situation.

I´m talking on that situations were someone would be able to flee, and let the agressor have what they can grab. But due to being armed some are being overconfident and starting a action they can´t handle, for just some stupid goods (as they could have been in safety when leaving the scene). "Only a fool will fight inside a burning house", as the Klingons say.  ;)


I'm sorry, but around here if someone breaks into your house they are getting shot. Trying to get the family and flee is not really a viable option unless you have a huge house or your house layout would accommodate it. This is even more apparent if you live in a two story house as most of the bedrooms are upstairs and if someone kicks in the door while you are upstairs or sleeping their is no way I am going to try and get the family down the stairs and past them. That is just putting them in more harm in my opinion.

If they are loud enough to wake you up, and you have no way out - sure, try to safe your ass the best you can.

But most don´t want any attraction, they try to sneak in and out without being loud.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Kampfer on November 21, 2014, 01:09:28 AM
Most people believe Asian households are loaded with cash and jewels, and they are not armed. (most the time is true),
If they broke in and couldn't find any, they might just torture the women or kids to gain that information. 
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: captain spaulding on November 21, 2014, 01:14:15 AM
Now you have me confused.  :D

Someone within feet of you with a gun pointed at you and you want to run! They would just shoot you in the back. I do agree if you get caught on the street and they get the jump on you the best option in most situations would be to give them what they want.

In that situation running would be as stupid as pulling a knife or gun.  :D Give them what they want and hope they will leavo, or someone else sees it and calls the police. Just don´t make them nerveous, as most are no trained killers and already are under pressure with that situation.

I´m talking on that situations were someone would be able to flee, and let the agressor have what they can grab. But due to being armed some are being overconfident and starting a action they can´t handle, for just some stupid goods (as they could have been in safety when leaving the scene). "Only a fool will fight inside a burning house", as the Klingons say.  ;)


I'm sorry, but around here if someone breaks into your house they are getting shot. Trying to get the family and flee is not really a viable option unless you have a huge house or your house layout would accommodate it. This is even more apparent if you live in a two story house as most of the bedrooms are upstairs and if someone kicks in the door while you are upstairs or sleeping their is no way I am going to try and get the family down the stairs and past them. That is just putting them in more harm in my opinion.

If they are loud enough to wake you up, and you have no way out - sure, try to safe your ass the best you can.

But most don´t want any attraction, they try to sneak in and out without being loud.

Well we finally slightly agree on something.  :D  :rofl:
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Etherealicer on November 21, 2014, 11:21:51 AM
I think whether you choose to have a gun for Home-Defense or not is up to you. But in all seriousness, if you do, you should be aware of the risks associated with gun ownership.

Rage and Alcohol
Most murders within a house are committed by a family member or a close friend (95% of in House murders). So if you lean towards violence you might be the biggest threat to your family. Also its recommended to stay of alcohol (or go easy).

Accidents
Also far more likely than an intruder is accidental death. Its not enough to practice your gun skills and gun safety but also critical to learn about 1st aid especially treating gun related injuries (Its in the nature of accidents that they cannot be entirely avoided).

While the two above are somewhat under your control, and risk can be minimized, the last one is more difficult.

Suicide
Independent of method the chance that a survivor commits a second suicide attempt is 10% (so the method of suicide does not reflect the commitment to suicide). The problem with guns is, that they are easy to use in suicide and very lethal (unlike pills for example).
So depression in a household with gun is very dangerous.
Triggers like loosing the job, getting a bad grade, getting dumped by boyfriend can lead to spontaneous suicide even in people with no history of depression. Here the availability of a suicide method is critical (guns, pills etc). If no easy method is available it usually does not happen. So combining the availability of guns with the lethality of guns leads to a high rate of spontaneous suicides.


Finally some numbers
Of about 800 break-ins where someone was at home, only in 40 cases the intruder was armed with a gun (there might be more but if the intruder does not show his gun and leaves you will never know). 8 people got killed, SIX of them with their own gun. That is not a surprising number, considering that in about 4-6* cases the intruder was well known (close family friend, ex-boyfriend etc.) to the home owner.

*Extrapolated from the fact that in case someone breaks into your house and murders you, chances are about 66% that he was a close family friend.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: dks on November 21, 2014, 11:29:58 AM
I think that in switzerland, like here too, you keep your army gun at home, right?

In theory you are likely to be met with a semi-automatic rifle if you go in a swiss man's home.

I find it interesting that in countries where most houses have army guns and shotguns you have less problems with gun crimes than in other countries where it is in theory harder to get a big gun.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: firiki on November 21, 2014, 11:42:22 AM
A few years back I was reading a statistic about homicides involving guns. The country with most of them was the USA, followed by Switzerland in second place. I can't verify that though.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Etherealicer on November 21, 2014, 12:44:31 PM
I think that in switzerland, like here too, you keep your army gun at home, right?

In theory you are likely to be met with a semi-automatic rifle if you go in a swiss man's home.

I find it interesting that in countries where most houses have army guns and shotguns you have less problems with gun crimes than in other countries where it is in theory harder to get a big gun.
We don't have ammo for it.

And technically its a full-auto (at least while you are in active duty)
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Etherealicer on November 21, 2014, 12:49:06 PM
A few years back I was reading a statistic about homicides involving guns. The country with most of them was the USA, followed by Switzerland in second place. I can't verify that though.
USA is 14th, Switzerland is further down (together with Canada)

This is a very difficult comparison as you have to take into account things like population density and such.

In terms of suicide, USA is 4th and Switzerland 7th.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: dks on November 21, 2014, 12:50:26 PM
I did want to say auto...   :facepalm:

I was not aware that you do not have Ammo. That does delay the responce to an emergency a bit, as you will need to go to a meeting  place to get the ammo first, and if that place happens to be bombed or hard to reach you can not begin fighting.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Etherealicer on November 21, 2014, 12:52:46 PM
I did want to say auto...   :facepalm:

I was not aware that you do not have Ammo. That does delay the responce to an emergency a bit, as you will need to go to a meeting  place to get the ammo first, and if that place happens to be bombed or hard to reach you can not begin fighting.
We used to have two mags at home but because of the high suicide rate this practice was changed.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: dks on November 21, 2014, 01:05:33 PM
on the plus side, it is veeeeery unlikely you will have any troubles in switzerland   :D
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Etherealicer on November 21, 2014, 01:25:33 PM
on the plus side, it is veeeeery unlikely you will have any troubles in switzerland   :D
Well, with raising population problems are on the rise, but yes as good as no troubles.

Fun fact, last month they removed the last batch of TNT from bridges crossing over the river Rhine into Germany :rofl:
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: dks on November 21, 2014, 01:30:57 PM
 :D

Shhhh, keep it a secret.  :) 
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: firiki on November 21, 2014, 01:31:50 PM
A few years back I was reading a statistic about homicides involving guns. The country with most of them was the USA, followed by Switzerland in second place. I can't verify that though.
This is a very difficult comparison as you have to take into account things like population density and such.
This statistic was around 2006 and I don't remember all the details. Population density was taken into account however.
Fun fact, last month they removed the last batch of TNT from bridges crossing over the river Rhine into Germany :rofl:
I'm not sure you should be telling us that...
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Etherealicer on November 21, 2014, 01:42:33 PM
Fun fact, last month they removed the last batch of TNT from bridges crossing over the river Rhine into Germany :rofl:
I'm not sure you should be telling us that...
It was all over the news. Also with everybody being part of the military, secrecy is difficult.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: enki_ck on November 21, 2014, 07:35:43 PM
Fun fact, last month they removed the last batch of TNT from bridges crossing over the river Rhine into Germany :rofl:
I'm not sure you should be telling us that...
It was all over the news. Also with everybody being part of the military, secrecy is difficult.

They probably just took it out to replace it with a fresh batch. :whistle:

>:D

Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Lichtbote on November 21, 2014, 09:40:48 PM
They probably just took it out to replace it with a fresh batch. :whistle:

>:D

Not that such ever really helped.  :whistle:  :angel:
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: cool123 on January 14, 2015, 12:54:48 PM
As a self defense weapon, I love to keep the tactical folding knife.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: kkokkolis on January 14, 2015, 03:44:29 PM
Body type, posture, eyes and tongue are good defence weapons, most of the time. They could say: I'm of no interest, I'm not afraid of you, don't mess with me, I won't harm you if you step back and similar things. It works better with thieves and such criminals (who prefer old and weak persons for less trouble when doing their jobs) and less with terrorists and such (but with a loaded AK47 and some handgrenades even me would make a fearless terrorist).
Knives are tools. Even before powder you would bring a spear or a sword in a fight, not a knife.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: BASguy on February 10, 2015, 02:53:30 AM

I just don't understand the mindset of some. You think just because you have situational awareness you can avoid every situation that might lead you to be a victim. That is just pure denial in my opinion. Sure you can avoid some situations, but anything can happen and some of those things are unavoidable. Wouldn't you rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it. :shrug:

I am not at all saying that a knife is a good or ideal weapon for self defense, but if it was literally your last resort I would hate to die thinking I could of done more. I think having a knife for defense against the 4 legged creatures is a much more logical and plausible thought to have.

I'm sure that some will disagree with me which is perfectly fine.

Well said.....


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Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Lichtbote on February 10, 2015, 01:54:40 PM
I wonder what scared a big part of the US so much that they feel the need to be prepared for this, prepared for that, prepared for everything.  :think:
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: ducttapetech on February 10, 2015, 03:20:18 PM
Better than not being prepared.
Also, you have to stop and think that as a culture, we tend to be self reliant and mostly believe one is responsible for there own actions. The government is not always nor was it really suppose to bail you out every time you mess up. Sadly this is slowly fading out. Yes there are some that get "to prepared" I guess.
But a lot of us here carry a MT of some sort because we use them at work and to be prepared for what job that may turn up. And when I go to the big cities or where ever, I am prepared for what might happen there. I find it weird that if we are prepared for a small job by carrying a multi, nobody seems to bat an eye, mention carrying a knife for just in case for self defense, and everybody gets weird or freaks out. I prefer a firearm myself. We dont go looking for trouble or cant til somebody messes with us so we can shoot them. Bad smurf happens. And maybe someday, hopefully never, that bad smurf may come across your path.

Just my two cent. Not trying to rag on anybody. Just trying to give an idea why the US is kinda the way it is.

Nate
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: SAK Guy on February 10, 2015, 04:09:11 PM
"Chance favors the prepared pocket" (With apologies to Louis Pasteur).
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: pomsbz on June 28, 2017, 03:16:27 PM
I know this is an old thread but can I just say how impressive the respect shown here for others opinions is? On most places on the web this kind of conversation would be nuclear by now.
Title: Re: Rescue Knife as a Self Defense Weapon
Post by: Etherealicer on June 30, 2017, 04:03:56 PM
I know this is an old thread but can I just say how impressive the respect shown here for others opinions is? On most places on the web this kind of conversation would be nuclear by now.
Thanks... we are a friendly bunch :P

we also don't mind thread necromancy and if people ask a question that has been answered before :salute: