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Title: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 07, 2019, 07:01:50 PM
I am no historian nor as knowledgable as others.  I can recognize certain patterns and makers as well as the next.  I have borrowed the guidelines from knife depot however lets let the conversation flow freely and not be so stringent.  Article  https://knife-depot.com/pages/20-iconic-knives-every-knife-enthusiast-should-own (ftp://knife-depot.com/pages/20-iconic-knives-every-knife-enthusiast-should-own)

Guidlines the knife should be the following:

A production knife. We've decided to confine this list only to factory-made knives. So even though a custom knife like the Bob Loveless Drop Point Hunter is a revolutionary knife, we are only focusing on production knives to prevent this list from being too bloated.

Still in production. Sure, the Spyderco Worker was the first knife to introduce the pocket clip and really set the standard for early tactical folders, but it's no longer available. We want this to be a list of knives that are still around.

Easily recognizable to most knife users. One of the official definitions of iconic is something that's widely recognized and well-established. A knife will not always be known by everyone, but if it is famous outside or inside the knife community, it counts.

Game-changing. Whether by introducing a new feature to the knife world or simply popularizing a certain style of knives, the knife must have been transformative by adding something new and unique.

 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: RF52 on January 07, 2019, 07:14:02 PM
:popcorn:

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Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 07, 2019, 07:30:43 PM
What I find interesting is the knives on most lists are ones that I am referring to as "honest" knives. 

I'll begin with the Opinel.  Seems it doesnt matter what side of the pond you are on.  This is an iconic knife.  Simple, straightforward, and honest.  Its does what its designed to do.   
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Etherealicer on January 07, 2019, 07:46:10 PM
I own 3.5 knives from that list :D

CRTK Homefront
I think this is a game changer. The design by Ken Onion is brilliant. While it is not the first knife that offers easy disassembly, it makes field stripping easily available. Especially because the design is open to other designer for CRTK.

Because I don't own a Homefront but a HVAS, I put up those pictures.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: RF52 on January 07, 2019, 07:47:52 PM
The Buck 110 must be on the list! I don't own one, but maybe someday.

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Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Shuya on January 07, 2019, 07:53:17 PM
For me, simple and proven designs are the most interesting.

Kephart Style Knifes.
I got one from BRKT. Straightforward, simple, usable tool. Another from LT Wright is on the way to me. While owing lots (and I mean LOTS) of knifes, this design was a bummer when I touched it the first time. You instantly know, these knifes were not designed by someone sitting on a desk. These knifes were made and tested and improved by a dude LIVING in the woods. Thin blades, no bullsmurf blade, awesome and yet simple handle.
Just wow.

Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 07, 2019, 08:25:07 PM
I think this may turn out to be a bit regional, what's iconic on one side of the pond may not be iconic on the other.

Knife-depot named the Vic. Classic, I don't know anyone who has a Classic. The Pioneer would have been my pick aka boy scout knife.
I had never heard of Opinel before visiting online forums and don't know of any one who has one. The same with Mora.
Knife-depot named the Leatherman Wave, that's a multi tool not a knife. Can't put that on the list.

Two that come to mind for me would be the Buck 110. That knife had a lot of influence on future knife designs.
The other would be the Barlow. It's a design that originated on the other side of the pond. Yet has been in continual production on one or both sides of the pond since the late 1600's.

Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: VICMAN on January 07, 2019, 08:49:53 PM
I think this may turn out to be a bit regional, what's iconic on one side of the pond may not be iconic on the other.

Knife-depot named the Vic. Classic, I don't know anyone who has a Classic. The Pioneer would have been my pick aka boy scout knife.
I had never heard of Opinel before visiting online forums and don't know of any one who has one. The same with Mora.
Knife-depot named the Leatherman Wave, that's a multi tool not a knife. Can't put that on the list.

Two that come to mind for me would be the Buck 110. That knife had a lot of influence on future knife designs.
The other would be the Barlow. It's a design that originated on the other side of the pond. Yet has been in continual production on one or both sides of the pond since the late 1600's.

 :iagree: :cheers:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 07, 2019, 09:12:32 PM
Ask a bunch of knife guys and yes we'll get some many thoughts, which is exactly what I was hoping for.  I only used the knife depot as a guideline.  Most important was I have borrowed the guidelines from knife depot however lets let the conversation flow freely and not be so stringent..  :salute:

Knife people can and do recognize knives outside their interest I believe.   With enough time I'd imagine most knife people come across many iconic knives from all over the world either by internet or in person.  Having one is not prerequisite to knowing it.  I dont have a Kabar USMC knife but I sure do know what one looks like when I see one.  Iconic btw IMO.

I too was unaware of the Opinel before the forums.  I was also unaware of Mora.  I know own a Mora Classic #1 and Opinel #8, both iconic blades. 

My thought on this thread was to see what each who contributed viewed as an iconic knife.  Oceans separate us but knives, knives bring us together. 

Lastly, the list on knife depot is not one I particularly agree on either  :tu: 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 07, 2019, 09:17:13 PM
I dont own a Barlow yet I am now very familiar with it.  I see many at the local flea markets from a wide variety of makers.  Interesting design.  I think its certainly stuck in my head every time I see one now.  I can call it by name being familiar with it.  Prior to the forums I would have thought this particular pattern was just some random pattern, nothing special per se.   

The Buck 110 is very iconic.  I think simply calling it a Buck Knife, one see the iconic 110 in their minds.   
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Etherealicer on January 07, 2019, 09:27:57 PM
I think this may turn out to be a bit regional, what's iconic on one side of the pond may not be iconic on the other.

Knife-depot named the Vic. Classic, I don't know anyone who has a Classic. The Pioneer would have been my pick aka boy scout knife.
I had never heard of Opinel before visiting online forums and don't know of any one who has one. The same with Mora.
Knife-depot named the Leatherman Wave, that's a multi tool not a knife. Can't put that on the list.

Two that come to mind for me would be the Buck 110. That knife had a lot of influence on future knife designs.
The other would be the Barlow. It's a design that originated on the other side of the pond. Yet has been in continual production on one or both sides of the pond since the late 1600's.

 :iagree: :cheers:
Well, its a globe thing... Opinel/Mora (and Hultafors, you will find Mora/Hultafor knives on every construction site, at least here in Switzerland) are far more known in Europe than the Buck 110. Classic is the most sold SAK. The Pioneer is a MT too, so essentially, the Wave is just a multi-bladed knife.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: SteveC on January 07, 2019, 09:32:45 PM
I would say a few for me would be .

The Buck 112/110

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4625/40089901542_ea69374431_b.jpg)

The classic Hunting knife made by many companies. This one is my William Rodgers that I'got when I was but a lad.

(https://i.imgur.com/6oNDHl9h.jpg)


I would also include the Barlow

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4585/25022621878_7fd4886525_b.jpg)



Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Mechanickal on January 07, 2019, 10:28:28 PM
Like Opinel knives...

Mora Classic & Companion, Vic Spartan, Laguiolle, Ka-Bar USMC... and many others...
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 07, 2019, 10:42:18 PM
Ask a bunch of knife guys and yes we'll get some many thoughts, which is exactly what I was hoping for.  I only used the knife depot as a guideline.  Most important was I have borrowed the guidelines from knife depot however lets let the conversation flow freely and not be so stringent..  :salute:

Knife people can and do recognize knives outside their interest I believe.   With enough time I'd imagine most knife people come across many iconic knives from all over the world either by internet or in person.  Having one is not prerequisite to knowing it.  I dont have a Kabar USMC knife but I sure do know what one looks like when I see one.  Iconic btw IMO.

I too was unaware of the Opinel before the forums.  I was also unaware of Mora.  I know own a Mora Classic #1 and Opinel #8, both iconic blades. 

My thought on this thread was to see what each who contributed viewed as an iconic knife.  Oceans separate us but knives, knives bring us together. 

Lastly, the list on knife depot is not one I particularly agree on either  :tu:
I agree just because I was not aware of Opinels, they are still a classic design.
Region will have a bearing on what people call iconic. This will be interesting.
Another knife that has been around for a long time is the Sod Buster. A redesign of a German folding butcher knife.  The German knife predates the name sod buster Case gave to it.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 07, 2019, 11:21:43 PM
@ Steve.  That second knife, the fixed blade.  Man I see that particular pattern a lot.  Is there a "name" for it?  Case made them too I think  :think:.  I've also seen some random makers who make a very similar one.  Love the knife BTW.  I'd say when others began to mass produce copies/clones/similar inspired designs the original becomes a icon/classic, at least thats my way of thinking.   
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 07, 2019, 11:22:29 PM
Ask a bunch of knife guys and yes we'll get some many thoughts, which is exactly what I was hoping for.  I only used the knife depot as a guideline.  Most important was I have borrowed the guidelines from knife depot however lets let the conversation flow freely and not be so stringent..  :salute:

Knife people can and do recognize knives outside their interest I believe.   With enough time I'd imagine most knife people come across many iconic knives from all over the world either by internet or in person.  Having one is not prerequisite to knowing it.  I dont have a Kabar USMC knife but I sure do know what one looks like when I see one.  Iconic btw IMO.

I too was unaware of the Opinel before the forums.  I was also unaware of Mora.  I know own a Mora Classic #1 and Opinel #8, both iconic blades. 

My thought on this thread was to see what each who contributed viewed as an iconic knife.  Oceans separate us but knives, knives bring us together. 

Lastly, the list on knife depot is not one I particularly agree on either  :tu:
I agree just because I was not aware of Opinels, they are still a classic design.
Region will have a bearing on what people call iconic. This will be interesting.
Another knife that has been around for a long time is the Sod Buster. A redesign of a German folding butcher knife.  The German knife predates the name sod buster Case gave to it.

 :like:  Sod Buster for sure.   Man what a knife.  Again, simple and honest. 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 07, 2019, 11:25:48 PM
Like Opinel knives...

Mora Classic & Companion, Vic Spartan, Laguiolle, Ka-Bar USMC... and many others...

Pattern correct?  I cannot recall if this is a brand or pattern or if I am even communicating correctly.  Spartan is interesting.  I was totally unaware of the historical nature of this knife.  I only just recently found out.  This thread hopefully will bring light to many knives that we believe are iconic.  Theres certainly no keeping score in this thread.  Just free flowing knife love.  Kinda like the 60s without the STDs  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: David on January 07, 2019, 11:46:00 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: microbe on January 08, 2019, 12:54:28 AM
20 is clearly not enough for such a list.
From the top of my head I would add a few extra folding knives:
-Italian Stiletto
-Italian resolza Pattadesse
-French Laguiole
-French Douk Douk
-Spanish navaja carraca
-Filipino Balisong
-Japanese Higonokami
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 08, 2019, 01:06:55 AM
Ask a bunch of knife guys and yes we'll get some many thoughts, which is exactly what I was hoping for.  I only used the knife depot as a guideline.  Most important was I have borrowed the guidelines from knife depot however lets let the conversation flow freely and not be so stringent..  :salute:

Knife people can and do recognize knives outside their interest I believe.   With enough time I'd imagine most knife people come across many iconic knives from all over the world either by internet or in person.  Having one is not prerequisite to knowing it.  I dont have a Kabar USMC knife but I sure do know what one looks like when I see one.  Iconic btw IMO.

I too was unaware of the Opinel before the forums.  I was also unaware of Mora.  I know own a Mora Classic #1 and Opinel #8, both iconic blades. 

My thought on this thread was to see what each who contributed viewed as an iconic knife.  Oceans separate us but knives, knives bring us together. 

Lastly, the list on knife depot is not one I particularly agree on either  :tu:
I agree just because I was not aware of Opinels, they are still a classic design.
Region will have a bearing on what people call iconic. This will be interesting.
Another knife that has been around for a long time is the Sod Buster. A redesign of a German folding butcher knife.  The German knife predates the name sod buster Case gave to it.

 :like:  Sod Buster for sure.   Man what a knife.  Again, simple and honest.

If I'm going to mention the sod buster, I should at least post a pic.
(https://i.imgur.com/xSZCj4m.jpg)
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: SteveC on January 08, 2019, 01:17:40 AM
@ Steve.  That second knife, the fixed blade.  Man I see that particular pattern a lot.  Is there a "name" for it?  Case made them too I think  :think:.  I've also seen some random makers who make a very similar one.  Love the knife BTW.  I'd say when others began to mass produce copies/clones/similar inspired designs the original becomes a icon/classic, at least thats my way of thinking.   

I've always heard it called a hunting knife , not sure if there is a specific name for this pattern but many companies have made them.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Kampfer on January 08, 2019, 01:22:09 AM
In a time that pioneers head into the unknown landscape to build their lives, in a time that people rely on their knives to do all kinds tasks fifty times a day, in a time that people could not afford expensive cutlery but wanted something can last a life time, in a time that pocket knives were considered tools, not pocket jewelry, in a time people always kept a knife in pocket wherever they go and feel naked without it.

Yea, you remember or at least you read about that.

It was 1867 and Mercator was a product of that time.       
That is right, 100 years before the birth of Buck 110.
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80256.0;attach=416759;image)
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: VICMAN on January 08, 2019, 01:39:22 AM
I would say a few for me would be .

The Buck 112/110


The classic Hunting knife made by many companies. This one is my William Rodgers that I'got when I was but a lad.



I would also include the Barlow


Nice pics Steve! :like: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 08, 2019, 01:44:20 AM
I think a Puukko would need to be on the list.

But.....it's kinda tough to point a modern production knife and say "This is a game changer."

The puukko, seax, clasp knife, Bowie....all were game changers in their day.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 08, 2019, 01:52:21 AM
The Fairbairn-Sykes fighting knife is certainly 'Iconic' by any reasonable definition.  And it's still being produced.

But....game-changer? I think not.

(http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attachments/fairbairn-sykes-fighting-knife/373907d1342957450-fairbairn-sykes-original-000-8-.jpg)
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 08, 2019, 01:56:27 AM
What about a Stockman?

Quote
I consider the stockman to be one of the two greatest American pocket knife patterns. --Chuck Hawks


(https://www.knivesplus.com/media/QN-9ACSB.jpg)
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: SteveC on January 08, 2019, 02:23:27 AM
Nix, I agree those are both iconic knives.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 08, 2019, 06:43:35 AM
Lots of great knives mentioned.  Keep them coming.  Whats fun is what we feel is iconic, debating aside.  No need to limit the choices to 20 just cause knife depot did.  There are so many wonderful knives even if we had to stop at 20 why would we?

Like I mentioned, lets be free flowing with the guidelines.  They aren't to be taken word for word IMO just loose parameters. 

When I got onto the forums many of the knives mentioned weren't known to me.  Now many are which is great.  I have always found the Navaja interesting.  The knife seems to have inspired others.  Neat history on this iconic knife.  Whats also neat is the humble beginnings and later development.   
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 08, 2019, 06:46:58 AM
The Fairbairn-Sykes fighting knife is certainly 'Iconic' by any reasonable definition.  And it's still being produced.

But....game-changer? I think not.

(http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attachments/fairbairn-sykes-fighting-knife/373907d1342957450-fairbairn-sykes-original-000-8-.jpg)

 :salute: Without question.  I think another guideline could have been a knife copied or used as a template.  This knife certainly fits both descriptions. 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Etherealicer on January 08, 2019, 07:51:34 AM
The Fairbairn-Sykes fighting knife is certainly 'Iconic' by any reasonable definition.  And it's still being produced.

But....game-changer? I think not.

(http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attachments/fairbairn-sykes-fighting-knife/373907d1342957450-fairbairn-sykes-original-000-8-.jpg)
It is basically an updated version of the medieval dagger, which in itself is a pretty iconic family. For me, of course it would have to be the Swiss Dagger. Böker still has one in production.

Btw, if you compare to the Fairbairn-Sykes to the Swiss Dagger you will see, that they have made all the same design choices:
Crossguard, so you don't slip on the blade when stabbing
Handle is widest in the center
Pommel to prevent it flying out of your hand (this you won't find in later installment of the Applegate-Fairbairn fighting knife).
Those knives are interesting as they kicked off the modern era fighting knives... but I also think they were off the last knives that were actually built as fighting knives. For military, utility came more important and for the mall-ninja style (and a ninja name attached to it) is probably the driving factor.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: VICMAN on January 08, 2019, 11:20:17 AM
In a time that pioneers head into the unknown landscape to build their lives, in a time that people rely on their knives to do all kinds tasks fifty times a day, in a time that people could not afford expensive cutlery but wanted something can last a life time, in a time that pocket knives were considered tools, not pocket jewelry, in a time people always kept a knife in pocket wherever they go and feel naked without it.

Yea, you remember or at least you read about that.

It was 1867 and Mercator was a product of that time.       
That is right, 100 years before the birth of Buck 110.


150 years before the Mercator was the Barlow....the first mass produced EDC knife "in a time that people rely on their knives to do all kinds tasks fifty times a day, in a time that people could not afford expensive cutlery but wanted something can last a life time, in a time that pocket knives were considered tools, not pocket jewelry, in a time people always kept a knife in pocket wherever they go and feel naked without it."
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Syem on January 08, 2019, 11:21:30 AM
I'm surprised nobody mentioned the Victorinox SwissChamp yet.
It's not the oldest nor the thickest and it wasnt the first to pack an incredible amount of features but for at least 30 years it's been considered the "everything" SAK (despite the new XL* variations and Wenger counterparts) and it remains one of the most iconic and unique knives in the world.

(https://assets.victorinox.com/mam/celum/celum_assets/20c/31c/8851868876830_celum_116622_640Wx560H.jpg?2)
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: VICMAN on January 08, 2019, 11:24:22 AM
I'm surprised nobody mentioned the Victorinox SwissChamp yet.
It's not the oldest nor the thickest and it wasnt the first to pack an incredible amount of features but for at least 30 years it's been considered the "everything" SAK (despite the new XL* variations) and it remains one of the most iconic and unique knives in the world.



I think the Swiss Army knife in general would be considered iconic. :cheers:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Gareth on January 08, 2019, 01:21:35 PM
I don't think I'm going to mention anything new to this thread, but the ones that spring to mind are; bowie, laguiole, Buck 110, Opinel and just about any traditional Scandinavian belt knife.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 08, 2019, 02:49:31 PM
Great follow up Etherealicer and exactly what I had hoped for as well.  Some knifes considered iconic oftentimes are updated or versions of iconic knives. 

@VICMAN,  :salute:.   The Buck 110 is iconic plain and simple and while the Mercator came well before it there are others who came well before and so on.  What I find most interesting is how "peasant" knives will always make anyone list of iconic blades.  I'm going to keep referring to certain knives as simple and honest.   
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 08, 2019, 03:46:19 PM
What I find most interesting is how "peasant" knives will always make anyone list of iconic blades.  I'm going to keep referring to certain knives as simple and honest.   

Most of the gimmick knives have fallen by the way-side. The Victorinox Soldier is probably the exception.

Is the Leatherman PST considered a 'knife'?

While there were other multitools before the LM, I'd say the PST is the iconic version.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 08, 2019, 03:53:38 PM
What I find most interesting is how "peasant" knives will always make anyone list of iconic blades.  I'm going to keep referring to certain knives as simple and honest.   

Most of the gimmick knives have fallen by the way-side. The Victorinox Soldier is probably the exception.

Is the Leatherman PST considered a 'knife'?

While there were other multitools before the LM, I'd say the PST is the iconic version.

I agree.  Gimmick knives or knives poorly executed to resemble classics that go on to become iconic do fall by the way.   side.  Regarding the PST,  iconic no doubt.  Is it a knife?  Yes and no.  Its a category that has came into its own.  The LM PST certainly spurred this category and here we are today.  While I'd agree the SAK is a knife I also consider it a MT.  I think we'd get some interesting thoughts on it tho.       
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: VICMAN on January 08, 2019, 03:57:14 PM
Great follow up Etherealicer and exactly what I had hoped for as well.  Some knifes considered iconic oftentimes are updated or versions of iconic knives. 

@VICMAN,  :salute:.   The Buck 110 is iconic plain and simple and while the Mercator came well before it there are others who came well before and so on.  What I find most interesting is how "peasant" knives will always make anyone list of iconic blades.  I'm going to keep referring to certain knives as simple and honest.   


I definitely agree that peasant knives such as the Opinel are iconic.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Barry Rowland on January 08, 2019, 04:18:05 PM
Nothing new for me to add.  This is a great thread!
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: ThundahBeagle on January 08, 2019, 04:25:27 PM
Barlow
Opinel
Puuko
Ka bar USMC
Buck 110
Swiss army knives as a general category
Ulu

I mean,  I THINK everything else is more or less based off of one of those, right?
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Etherealicer on January 08, 2019, 04:32:13 PM
Most of the gimmick knives have fallen by the way-side. The Victorinox Soldier is probably the exception.
Gimmicky is of course not a precise term, but there are at least 2 more members of the more fiddely family:
Balisong (also an extremely iconic design)
and the
Karambit (ok, you can call me a HEMA-elitist, but that is neither a knife nor a weapon, just a toy)
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Etherealicer on January 08, 2019, 04:38:57 PM
Barlow
Opinel
Puuko
Ka bar USMC
Buck 110
Swiss army knives as a general category
Ulu

I mean,  I THINK everything else is more or less based off of one of those, right?
There are many more iconic blades (but mostly I would not know an individual knife/company that made them iconic)
Kukri (Gurkha)
Balisong
Higonokami (there are other friction folders, but not many as recognizable)
Karambit
Tanto (its blade shape alone is iconic)
Dagger Family (double edged), e.g. the mentioned Fairbairn-Sykes and Applegate-Fairbairn dagger
Kris

Things I miss and can't think what would be the iconic blade for that
- forward curved (hawkbill) blade?
- dive knife (with the tank tap)
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 08, 2019, 04:48:55 PM
Balisong.  What a wonderful thing it is.  Whatever the origins, I tip my hat to our Filipino brethren for its perfection.  There are some who say its origin is 800ce.  There are other beliefs as to the origins.  Could this knife be one of the most banned knifes across all continents?  What a spectacular display in the hands of experienced flippers. 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 08, 2019, 04:51:56 PM
I think the origins of a knife pattern is important.  Getting that particular pattern to iconic stature thru revisions is also important.  I'm sure there are many knives that fall into this situation.  The originator may not get the "credit" but I'm always more than appreciative of a knifes origins.  We may never know the true origins but I'm also a fan of the stories told. 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 08, 2019, 06:20:56 PM
Balisong (also an extremely iconic design)
and the Karambit (ok, you can call me a HEMA-elitist, but that is neither a knife nor a weapon, just a toy)

I'd have to agree that the Balisong Butterfly knife is iconic. Although, again, not a game changer.

(And, word to the wise, don't tel Doug Marcaida that the karambit is not a weapon.  ;))

(https://wealtholino.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Doug-Marcaida-Net-Worth-Bio-Wiki-Age-Height.jpg)
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: ThePeacent on January 08, 2019, 07:39:03 PM
I would feel the need to distinguissh/differentiate between iconinc specific knives and iconic knife styles.
My picks would be:

Iconic knife styles which many people can picture or imagine/relate to their name, era or time period, location or uses:
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- Bowie
- Stiletto
- Balisong
- Flipper Knife
- OTF/Automatic
- Dive knife
- Peasant Knife
- Combat/Military knife (ala SOG, KaBar, Ontario...)
- Machetes
- Kitchen knives of several types
- Hunting knives (ala Bucks)
- Puuko/Scandinavian Knives
- SAKs
- Traditional Knife (several patterns such as Stockman, Barlow, Sodbuster, Trapper)
- Karambit
- Dagger
  · Fairbairn-Sykes
  · Swiss/German dagger
  · Rondell
  · Bollock Dagger
  · Fencing/Italian dagger
  · Sai
  · Kris
- Kukri
- Short Sword
  · Cinquedea
  · Xyphos
  · Falcata
  · Gladius
- Swords
  · Two Handed Longsword
  · Viking Sword
  · Saber
  · Katana and Wakizashi
  · Basket Hilt Sword
  · Scimitar
  · Rapier
  · Cutlass
- Throwing Knife (kunai style especially) 

and then iconic specific production knives, some discontinued, some still produced, depending on your knife-nerdiness some are more expected to be known than others  :D
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Traditionals:
- Opinel
- DoukDouk
- Mercator
- Okapi
- Svord
- Higonokami
- Barlow, Stockman, and others made by Case, Queen, GEC... 
- Buck 110 and 112

Modern sheath knives:
- Buck 119, 120 and maybe others
- Schrade Sharpfinger
- Randall (several models)
- KaBar COmbat Utility
- Ontario Pilot Knife and others
- Mora/Hultafors
- ESEE Junglas and Izula
- Gerber Trident, Mark I and II, LMF, Prodigy
- KaBar Becker BK9 and BK2
- Bradford Guardian series
- Marttiini knives
- Puukos (of several makers)

Modern folding knives:
- Spyderco Military, Police, Paramilitary, Delica and Endura, Worker, Harpy
- Benchmade 710, 940, Griprillian, Infidel, Adamas, Presidio
- Cold Steel Tantos, Recon, Espada,
- Gerber Paraframe, EZ Out, Gator
- Kershaw Leek, Shallot, Scallion, Blur, Skyline
- ZT 0652, and others
- Emerson CQC7, Horseman
- Microtech Scarab, and others
- CRK Sebenza, Insingo and others

and I left out a lot, I am sure
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Etherealicer on January 08, 2019, 07:49:43 PM
Balisong (also an extremely iconic design)
and the Karambit (ok, you can call me a HEMA-elitist, but that is neither a knife nor a weapon, just a toy)

I'd have to agree that the Balisong Butterfly knife is iconic. Although, again, not a game changer.

(And, word to the wise, don't tel Doug Marcaida that the karambit is not a weapon.  ;))

(https://wealtholino.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Doug-Marcaida-Net-Worth-Bio-Wiki-Age-Height.jpg)
They call everything a weapon on that show, even a fiction folder.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 08, 2019, 08:28:37 PM
I would feel the need to distinguissh/differentiate between iconinc specific knives and iconic knife styles.
My picks would

Iconic knife styles which many people can picture or imagine/relate to their name, era or time period, location or uses:
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- Bowie
- Stiletto
- Balisong
- Flipper Knife
- OTF/Automatic
- Dive knife
- Peasant Knife
- Combat/Military knife (ala SOG, KaBar, Ontario...)
- Machetes
- Kitchen knives of several types
- Hunting knives (ala Bucks)
- Puuko/Scandinavian Knives
- SAKs
- Traditional Knife (several patterns such as Stockman, Barlow, Sodbuster, Trapper)
- Karambit
- Dagger
  · Fairbairn-Sykes
  · Swiss/German dagger
  · Rondell
  · Bollock Dagger
  · Fencing/Italian dagger
  · Sai
  · Kris
- Kukri
- Short Sword
  · Cinquedea
  · Xyphos
  · Falcata
  · Gladius
- Swords
  · Two Handed Longsword
  · Viking Sword
  · Saber
  · Katana and Wakizashi
  · Basket Hilt Sword
  · Scimitar
  · Rapier
  · Cutlass
- Throwing Knife (kunai style especially) 

and then iconic specific production knives, some discontinued, some still produced, depending on your knife-nerdiness some are more expected to be known than others  :D
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Traditionals:
- Opinel
- DoukDouk
- Mercator
- Okapi
- Svord
- Higonokami
- Barlow, Stockman, and others made by Case, Queen, GEC... 
- Buck 110 and 112

Modern sheath knives:
- Buck 119, 120 and maybe others
- Schrade Sharpfinger
- Randall (several models)
- KaBar COmbat Utility
- Ontario Pilot Knife and others
- Mora/Hultafors
- ESEE Junglas and Izula
- Gerber Trident, Mark I and II, LMF, Prodigy
- KaBar Becker BK9 and BK2
- Bradford Guardian series
- Marttiini knives
- Puukos (of several makers)

Modern folding knives:
- Spyderco Military, Police, Paramilitary, Delica and Endura, Worker, Harpy
- Benchmade 710, 940, Griprillian, Infidel, Adamas, Presidio
- Cold Steel Tantos, Recon, Espada,
- Gerber Paraframe, EZ Out, Gator
- Kershaw Leek, Shallot, Scallion, Blur, Skyline
- ZT 0652, and others
- Emerson CQC7, Horseman
- Microtech Scarab, and others
- CRK Sebenza, Insingo and others

and I left out a lot, I am sure

I'm certain the wording of the guideline I borrowed could have been refined much better, however thats why I thought "free flowing non stringent" preface need to be said.  I like how you grouped knives. 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Sea Monster on January 08, 2019, 09:51:04 PM
Aye, I don't know that the "Original" of any given design is necessarily going to be the "Iconic"

for me, the "Iconic" fighting knife is a Fairburn-Sykes, for Yanks it might be the Ka-Bar

The FS itself is obviously put together from designs that the gents involved had seen and liked, as was the KaBar I have no doubt.

To say where the "game changing" was in that evolution is a bit hard to pinpoint, and I'm sure everyone would argue for their favourite one being the one that "defined" the category.

Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 08, 2019, 11:32:01 PM
Game changing can be very hard to determine.  In some instances the refinement in forging steel.  In others subtle changes to egos and materials chosen.  These refinements make a difference IMO and do make for a better "design".  Now looking at the knife depot guidelines I see I should have taken more time to make changes to some wording  :facepalm:.  Sorry about that.  I was excited however to get this thread off and see the discussions that would follow. 

Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Poncho65 on January 09, 2019, 12:28:23 PM
I think it is going great, Aloha :salute: Great topic :like: Not much I can think to add to the list :tu: so many great knives and patterns have been mentioned :like: It is great to see so many different styles and how different cultures have all gotten way different results in designing their own cutting tools :tu: Environment has played a major factor in a lot of these design and also when they were designed and created had a big impact on what and how they were designed :cheers: As I said this is a great thread :like: :like:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: VICMAN on January 09, 2019, 01:04:53 PM
I would feel the need to distinguissh/differentiate between iconinc specific knives and iconic knife styles.
My picks would be:

Iconic knife styles which many people can picture or imagine/relate to their name, era or time period, location or uses:

- Traditional Knife (several patterns such as Stockman, Barlow, Sodbuster, Trapper)


and then iconic specific production knives, some discontinued, some still produced, depending on your knife-nerdiness some are more expected to be known than others  :D

Traditionals:


Modern sheath knives:


Modern folding knives:


Very impressive listings Peacent! :like: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: VICMAN on January 09, 2019, 01:05:22 PM
I think it is going great, Aloha :salute: Great topic :like: Not much I can think to add to the list :tu: so many great knives and patterns have been mentioned :like: It is great to see so many different styles and how different cultures have all gotten way different results in designing their own cutting tools :tu: Environment has played a major factor in a lot of these design and also when they were designed and created had a big impact on what and how they were designed :cheers: As I said this is a great thread :like: :like:

 :iagree:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: sak60 on January 09, 2019, 03:03:25 PM
Great topic Aloha  :tu:
I was thinking of the leather washer handle and how it has been used across a wide range of fixed blades for such a long time.
Originally thought F/S and Kabar as others have noted so here is mine with an Applegate updated version by Boker.
The “Kabar”is actually a late WW2 Camillus (guard marked).
The F/S is a Wilkinson made 3rd pattern with the thicker hand ground blade.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: VICMAN on January 09, 2019, 03:20:44 PM
Great topic Aloha  :tu:
I was thinking of the leather washer handle and how it has been used across a wide range of fixed blades for such a long time.
Originally thought F/S and Kabar as others have noted so here is mine with an Applegate updated version by Boker.
The “Kabar”is actually a late WW2 Camillus (guard marked).
The F/S is a Wilkinson made 3rd pattern with the thicker hand ground blade.

Nice knives sak60 ! :like: :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: sak60 on January 09, 2019, 03:24:38 PM
Thank you  :hatsoff: Vicman
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 09, 2019, 03:28:40 PM
Great set of blades there, sak60!  :like:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 09, 2019, 03:33:45 PM
Great set of blades there, sak60!  :like:

 :iagree:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 09, 2019, 03:34:20 PM
I was trying to think of a modern knife that might be considered iconic and I can't think of a one.
I don't know, maybe my mind set is preventing me from seeing it. Correct me if I'm missing something.
I see an icon as that long produced knife that has survived the test of time, with or with out some minor changes.
In modern knives I see ideas that became game changers, more than I see knives that are iconic. Ideas and innovations alone do not make a knife iconic.
The walker liner lock was a major innovation that all liner locks and frame locks are based on.

Kershaw, ZT, Emerson, Microtech, might be well known but I'm not seeing any single knife model that has survived to become an icon.

Spyderco wasn't the first to use a pocket clip but they popularized the pocket clip and their bird head shaped blade. I don't think they have a knife that could be considered iconic out side of the Spyderco fans. I'm willing to bet Spyderco fans couldn't pick just one.

The same with Benchmade they are famous for their ambidextrous axis lock, more so than any single knife.

Cold steel had the idea of putting the end of a sword on a folder and made the tanto more main stream.
Mostly they are known for a fat man hacking chickens, dangling on a rope.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 09, 2019, 03:44:09 PM
I don't think they have a knife that could be considered iconic out side of the Spyderco fans. I'm willing to bet Spyderco fans couldn't pick just one.

I agree with you, Dean.

For the sake of argument, I'd like to put forth the Spyderco Endura as an iconic knife.  When I think of "Spyderco", it's the Endura that springs to mind. And it's one of their older designs.

For me, the Endura was the first knife that combined FRN handles, the Spydie hole, and a clip. Before the Endura....I never gave a plastic-handled knife a second glance. And the Endura brought in an unusual blade shape, as well. Unusual for the time.  Even the strengthened tip seemed to speak of purpose and intention.

I don't currently have an Endura, but for me, the Endura was THE Spydie....and maybe a game-changer.  :tu:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 09, 2019, 03:56:57 PM
I don't think they have a knife that could be considered iconic out side of the Spyderco fans. I'm willing to bet Spyderco fans couldn't pick just one.

I agree with you, Dean.

For the sake of argument, I'd like to put forth the Spyderco Endura as an iconic knife.  When I think of "Spyderco", it's the Endura that springs to mind. And it's one of their older designs.

For me, the Endura was the first knife that combined FRN handles, the Spydie hole, and a clip. Before the Endura....I never gave a plastic-handled knife a second glance. And the Endura brought in an unusual blade shape, as well. Unusual for the time.  Even the strengthened tip seemed to speak of purpose and intention.

I don't currently have an Endura, but for me, the Endura was THE Spydie....and maybe a game-changer.  :tu:

No argument from me.  :salute:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 09, 2019, 04:02:51 PM
I was trying to think of a modern knife that might be considered iconic and I can't think of a one.
I don't know, maybe my mind set is preventing me from seeing it. Correct me if I'm missing something.
I see an icon as that long produced knife that has survived the test of time, with or with out some minor changes.
In modern knives I see ideas that became game changers, more than I see knives that are iconic. Ideas and innovations alone do not make a knife iconic.
The walker liner lock was a major innovation that all liner locks and frame locks are based on.

Kershaw, ZT, Emerson, Microtech, might be well known but I'm not seeing any single knife model that has survived to become an icon.

Spyderco wasn't the first to use a pocket clip but they popularized the pocket clip and their bird head shaped blade. I don't think they have a knife that could be considered iconic out side of the Spyderco fans. I'm willing to bet Spyderco fans couldn't pick just one.

The same with Benchmade they are famous for their ambidextrous axis lock, more so than any single knife.

Cold steel had the idea of putting the end of a sword on a folder and made the tanto more main stream.
Mostly they are known for a fat man hacking chickens, dangling on a rope.

Well said.  Certainly modern knives and makers have released game changers.  The pocket clip is a great example.  Iconic simple because of that, I'd say no.  Locking mechanisms again great example. 

Iconic may be a clumsy way to describe the type of knives we are after?  Online I found, conventional formulaic as part of the definition of iconic.  I quite like this. 

Take the Khukuri for example.  Widely known to most knife people.  Certainly a blade shape that is easily brought to mind when Khukuri is said.  While there are many thoughts as to how this blade came to be its likely forefather is the Greek Kopi.  The Kopi may not be familiar to the average knife person.  It may not be as known today as the Khukuri and therefore may not be deemed iconic by the vast majority of knife people.   I dont believe it was mentioned thus far. 

Being iconic may be just that, something that has set itself apart, enduring, become part of the general accepted pattern, style, classification of blade irregardless to its forefather.   :dunno:

The guideline mentions currently produced.  I think as I've said sticking to these guideline was not terribly important.  So currently produced is a case by case situation IMO.         
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: SteveC on January 09, 2019, 04:07:29 PM
I also agree with Dean.   ;)
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 09, 2019, 04:11:34 PM
I never hear of Spyderco before the forums.  I was not a knife person other than the basic sporting goods selection.  The more known knives were Buck 110, Kabar type fixed blades, SAK, and traditional slip joint types.  Spydercos Delica could certainly be iconic.  As mentioned there were a lot of firsts with that knife.  I have 2 Delicas.  I do have a question tho.....   Does firsts ( game changers ) move a knife to iconic?  I have thought about "game changer" since making this thread.  Would game changer need to include other copying this feature?  It would seem game changing meant there'd be hoards of makers jumping on the game change element?  With patents and such it might not be an easy thing to do?
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: sak60 on January 09, 2019, 04:20:16 PM
Great set of blades there, sak60!  :like:

 :iagree:
Thanks Guys  :salute: :salute:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 09, 2019, 04:43:49 PM
Does a more well known version/iteration to the "original" design take precedence? 

The first incarnation sets the mold for subsequent incarnations, incorporating several recognizable and characteristic design features of the first.  When we hear Bowie knife, we picture a certain blade shape and style.  The Kabar USMC knife is bases on the Bowie knife.  Both iconic yes?  The Air Force Pilots Survival Knife also purportedly based on the Bowie seems to not be iconic  :think: or is it? 

   

 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 09, 2019, 04:53:21 PM
Does a more well known version/iteration to the "original" design take precedence? 

The first incarnation sets the mold for subsequent incarnations, incorporating several recognizable and characteristic design features of the first.  When we hear Bowie knife, we picture a certain blade shape and style.  The Kabar USMC knife is bases on the Bowie knife.  Both iconic yes?  The Air Force Pilots Survival Knife also purportedly based on the Bowie seems to not be iconic  :think: or is it? 
 

The USAF Pilots knife will always have a special place in my heart: I carried one!  But, iconic?  Not the way the "KaBar" is.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 09, 2019, 04:54:34 PM
Good call with the Kukri. An iconic knife if ever there were one.  :tu:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 09, 2019, 04:57:27 PM
Does a more well known version/iteration to the "original" design take precedence? 

The first incarnation sets the mold for subsequent incarnations, incorporating several recognizable and characteristic design features of the first.  When we hear Bowie knife, we picture a certain blade shape and style.  The Kabar USMC knife is bases on the Bowie knife.  Both iconic yes?  The Air Force Pilots Survival Knife also purportedly based on the Bowie seems to not be iconic  :think: or is it? 
 

The USAF Pilots knife will always have a special place in my heart: I carried one!  But, iconic?  Not the way the "KaBar" is.

I had one and moved it to a new owner.  Lovely knife for sure.  I'm sure any pilot would could argue this knife deserves high stature and deservedly so.  Which makes me really rethink iconic as a whole.  Iconic may not be the best way to describe well known knives/edged tools/wepons.   
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 09, 2019, 04:59:29 PM
Spydercos Delica could certainly be iconic.  As mentioned there were a lot of firsts with that knife.  I have 2 Delicas.  I do have a question tho.....   Does firsts ( game changers ) move a knife to iconic?  I have thought about "game changer" since making this thread.  Would game changer need to include other copying this feature?  It would seem game changing meant there'd be hoards of makers jumping on the game change element?  With patents and such it might not be an easy thing to do?

Well.....I now prefer the Delica, but to my mind---and I'm just speaking from my own perspective--the Endura is the one that I picture when I think of Spyderco.  And I think it is easily recognizable as a Spyderco.

Now, look at all the Spydie features that have been incorporated into other makers' knives. Spydie drove the whole clip fad (which I hope we'll get past some day). So now, Benchmade offers knives with clips and Spydie holes (probably paying Spydie royalties).
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 09, 2019, 05:01:19 PM
I had one and moved it to a new owner.  Lovely knife for sure.  I'm sure any pilot would could argue this knife deserves high stature and deservedly so.  Which makes me really rethink iconic as a whole.  Iconic may not be the best way to describe well known knives/edged tools/wepons.   

But, relatively speaking, there are few people who have used or carried or even seen one. Everyone has seen a Kabar....even if it's just been in a Hollywood film.

A few people, like you and me, liking a knife doesn't make it 'iconic', does it?
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 09, 2019, 05:01:53 PM
I also agree with Dean.   ;)
:o
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 09, 2019, 05:02:25 PM
How about the machete?  Does that count as an iconic 'knife'?
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 09, 2019, 05:02:42 PM
I also agree with Dean.   ;)
:o

End of times?
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 09, 2019, 05:12:21 PM
Whats neat is how a predecessor can be "iconic" as well as incarnations when done right.  In the above mentioned Bowie/USMC Kabar example we see this.   

The stiletto has been mentioned and for good reason.  I think of the 50s/60s switchblades.  Whats interesting is a knife mentioned in this thread, F-S fighting knife is certainly a stiletto and a famous one at that.  Both knives the stiletto as most know it and the F-S fighting knife are said to be iconic.  Iterations like the Gerber Mark 2 and others also have quite a status.     
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 09, 2019, 05:15:47 PM
I had one and moved it to a new owner.  Lovely knife for sure.  I'm sure any pilot would could argue this knife deserves high stature and deservedly so.  Which makes me really rethink iconic as a whole.  Iconic may not be the best way to describe well known knives/edged tools/wepons.   

But, relatively speaking, there are few people who have used or carried or even seen one. Everyone has seen a Kabar....even if it's just been in a Hollywood film.

A few people, like you and me, liking a knife doesn't make it 'iconic', does it?

Sadly no.  Liking a knife or small circles of rabid fans of a certain style doesn't make a knife iconic.  Sad actually.  Might be a case of use of said knife.  A knife may have to earn the distinction?  I dont know much the USAF Survival was used?  Hopefully not much otherwise that meant downed aircraft.  So maybe we are nearing a more refined definition of iconic?   
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 09, 2019, 05:40:39 PM
Here's one to debate:

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/-NH8hK7pvD0I/UHgBgNEIrZI/AAAAAAAAHDk/HyCANkcHzJM/nessmuk_thumb2.jpg?imgmax=800)


The "Nessmuck".

This knife is well known to knife-knuts and a few historians. It has led to numerous spin-offs by custom makers, and Bark River has a version in its catalogue. I'd argue that the Nessmuck pattern is iconic of an early period in American 'woodcraft'.

I like that in George Sears' book it is also shown being paired with another iconic knife, a double bladed folder.

As argument against it's iconic status: few people other than knife-knots and bushcrafters have ever heard of the man or the knife.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 09, 2019, 05:57:14 PM
Another for consideration for inclusion in 'Iconic' status:

(https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/catalog/image/catalog/1504569518_556_1.jpg)

Emerson Commander.

Many felt this was a big game changer, especially inn the nebulously defined 'tactical' community. Small audience. Probably not well known to the general public. But amongst knife people, a classic with a sterling reputation.

Iconic?

(I had one of these for a while, but never bonded with it. Ended up giving it away. )
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 09, 2019, 06:10:49 PM
Take the Buck 110 there was nothing new about it, back locks had been around for generations.
But something about it clicked with people, as soon as the patents were off everyone and his uncle was making a copy of the 110. All the while the Buck 110 was in continuous production. Affordable classic and regardless of who makes the copy you always think of the original.

Look at Spyderco and already the Delica & Endura have been mentioned, if this was a pure knife site then other models like the Paramilitary, Tenacious, would have been mentioned as well. Which is why I think Spyderco features make Spyderco recognizable. Spyderco features are recognizable but not a particular Spyderco knife.

It's the knife not the knife features, a classic icon has to pass the test of time.

For the sack of argument the Emerson Commander isn't there yet. ;)




Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: pomsbz on January 09, 2019, 06:16:17 PM
It's an interesting question, before knife forums and EDC-ing a knife, what carry knives did I know of?

Swiss Army Knife (as a category, so very ubiquitous that no one even thought about them)
Kabar (I thought that Bowie and Kabar was synonymous, seen in Vietnam movies)
The 'Dagger' (as a British boy brought up on tales of WWII commandos)
Kukri (ditto on war tales and I bought a cheap fake one when I was 16 at a fair)
The 'Flick Knife'. (Italian Switchblade as seen in movies)
The Spyderco (one leaf blade shape defining the entire category, seen in ads poured over by teenage boys who couldn't afford them)
The Traditional (slipjoint, the knife my grandparents generation carried with their pipes or the MOP/Silver one my mother would sometimes let me play with). I had a cheap rusty slipjoint I carried in a coat pocket when I was 10-12 but I don't remember much about it.

Other than that? Nope. They were all just categories and mostly in the 'history context' section of my brain. To be honest when I was growing up we were more interested in guns as a subject and air guns specifically as we could buy and use them as British teenagers. Not sure if that's even true any more.

Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: microbe on January 09, 2019, 06:29:26 PM
What if the real iconic knife is no longer made, but if there are plenty ripoffs or tribute knives based on that icon still available and for sale now? I am referring to the Jimmy Lile First Blood knife.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 09, 2019, 06:32:32 PM
Good example of a knife that has become very popular not to forget the Kephart.  Inside and arguably outside the bushcraft and knife nut crowd both knives have endured.  The camp crowd has also taken a sstrong liking tho this pattern.  Whats neat is we are talking about a knife that was commissioned in the late 1800s and continued to have influenced both Kephart and others, then I'd say yes. 

Whats interesting is the Grohmann Canadian Belt knifes resemblance to the muk.  No way of knowing if it was inspired or just coincidence.  Knife patterns come and go into and out of popularity.  The enduring nature of a tried and true design however is possibly what makes a certain knife iconic.  Whats noteworthy is the folder GWS used.  Its the Moose pattern which is not super popular  :dunno:.   I see a lot of talk about that particular pattern not being as popular as others.  I actually really like the Moose pattern a lot.     
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: VICMAN on January 09, 2019, 06:59:15 PM
Take the Buck 110 there was nothing new about it, back locks had been around for generations.
But something about it clicked with people, as soon as the patents were off everyone and his uncle was making a copy of the 110. All the while the Buck 110 was in continuous production. Affordable classic and regardless of who makes the copy you always think of the original.


In the early 1960's when Buck introduced the 110 Folding Hunter the main US knife manufacturers were Buck, Case, Schrade Walden Cutlery Corporation (a division of the Imperial Knife Associated Companies), Kabar, Camillus, and Western. There was no such thing as Cold Steel, Spyderco, Benchmade, Strider,Chris Reeve Knives, CRKT, etc.

Most knives sold from about $2.00 to about $6.00, (in 1963 Federal minimum wage was $1.25 an hour), so when Buck introduced the 110 at $16.00 many people said no one would buy them, but they used 440C stainless hardened to a Rockwell hardness of 58 to 60 RC which no one else was offering and they offered a lifetime warranty.

What was new was that they used a steel, 440C, that at the time was a premium grade steel at a much higher price than their competitors while offering a lifetime warranty. They literally changed the game for production knives. This resulted in the other manufacturers upping their game,  The Buck 110 was a game changer.

While it was not the first lockback knife,the Buck Folding Hunter is the knife that blazed the trail for all the other production lockbacks that followed it. It is the knife that made it popular to carry a large lockback for edc. Soon it was common to see a Buck 110 on the belt of the average working man. It became one of the most copied knives in the world.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 09, 2019, 06:59:28 PM
What if the real iconic knife is no longer made, but if there are plenty ripoffs or tribute knives based on that icon still available and for sale now? I am referring to the Jimmy Lile First Blood knife.

The First Blood knife IMO is an icon.  Interesting the style is Bowie inspired.  Not surprising as he was a prolific Bowie knife maker.  The knife you mention certainly is one many people had or wanted at that time 80s and today even as a collectable.  The knife is easily recognizable to that era and beyond.  The knife is still made by custom makers and really bad copies/clones are manufactured.  Mr Lile is not known by most outside the knife nut community however his "Rambo" knife certainly is.     
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: ThePeacent on January 09, 2019, 07:00:48 PM


  Which makes me really rethink iconic as a whole.  Iconic may not be the best way to describe well known knives/edged tools/wepons.   

I would distinguish between "Iconic", "Relevant" and "Famous"

to me, a Gladius sword or a Kukri are relevant. They fought wars, they raised civilisations, slayed cultures, shaped history. They had a big effect in the development of empires, the evolution o populations, their sustainment and victory or disappearance. WIthout them we simply wouldn't be here, or the world would have shaped in a different way. They are mostly older types and designs.

then, a "Switch blade" a "Balisong" or a SAK are iconic. They didn't change history in a defined, specific era or event, but they became a sign or "icon" for a generation and those that followed (kids watching "Rebel without a cause" or other 50s/60s movies all over the world and remembering the knife) and are easily described, drawn or identified all over the planet (like SAKs, be it by MacGyver or because most kids have seen a few before they are adults)

finally, we have the famous knives, which are what comes to mind when someone put a generic name on them, and are usually specific models or production blades, but they are hardly ever identified as such by the people other than nerds, aficionados or connoisseurs. Those would for instance be the Buck 110 when one says "locking folding knife", the KaBar Combat-Utility when one says "Military combat knife" and the Lile Hollow Handle Bowie when someone says or hears "Rambo knife" or "Survival knife"

I hope I put that into words in an understandable way  :dunno:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 09, 2019, 07:07:54 PM
Whats interesting about Buck 110 is how well they got it right the first time.  Yes the knife has changed over time with respect to blade steel and wood choices the design overall has endured.  From what I gather the choice to go from 440c to 425m was due to this higher end steel being to hard to sharpen at the time.  They later moved to 420hc from 425m for the same reasons.  Kinda weird since the blades today are harder and harder. 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 09, 2019, 07:09:16 PM


  Which makes me really rethink iconic as a whole.  Iconic may not be the best way to describe well known knives/edged tools/wepons.   

I would distinguish between "Iconic", "Relevant" and "Famous"

to me, a Gladius sword or a Kukri are relevant. They fought wars, they raised civilisations, slayed cultures, shaped history. They had a big effect in the development of empires, the evolution o populations, their sustainment and victory or disappearance. WIthout them we simply wouldn't be here, or the world would have shaped in a different way. They are mostly older types and designs.

then, a "Switch blade" a "Balisong" or a SAK are iconic. They didn't change history in a defined, specific era or event, but they became a sign or "icon" for a generation and those that followed (kids watching "Rebel without a cause" or other 50s/60s movies all over the world and remembering the knife) and are easily described, drawn or identified all over the planet (like SAKs, be it by MacGyver or because most kids have seen a few before they are adults)

finally, we have the famous knives, which are what comes to mind when someone put a generic name on them, and are usually specific models or production blades, but they are hardly ever identified as such by the people other than nerds, aficionados or connoisseurs. Those would for instance be the Buck 110 when one says "locking folding knife", the KaBar Combat-Utility when one says "Military combat knife" and the Lile Hollow Handle Bowie when someone says or hears "Rambo knife" or "Survival knife"

I hope I put that into words in an understandable way  :dunno:

 :salute:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 09, 2019, 07:53:00 PM
I actually really like the Moose pattern a lot.     

Same here......I think I need one now....  :rofl:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 09, 2019, 08:14:05 PM
I'm going to have to disagree a little there, El P.

The Ghurka knife is most definitely Iconic.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/9c/60/699c6014cb6d10b8a73fe26d54f5bb8c.jpg)


This is an image that defines the Ghurka soldier. The soldiers made the knife famous and legendary, and the knife is now a symbol...an icon...of the soldiers. Much the way the USMC combat/utility was (and still is) for US Marines. Both of these knives are used as symbols of their respective units. To the same extent, I'd argue that the F-S fighting knife (or variants) became the symbol, icon, of the Commandos or Special Forces.

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At least for Americans, the Bowie knife is an iconic knife: it represents the frontier, the Wild West, maybe the cowboy. But some Bowie knives are also 'Famous', for example the Bowie in the Movie "Iron Mistress". A knife that became famous and helped solidify the Bowie knife's iconic status.

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Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 09, 2019, 08:18:09 PM
Whats interesting about Buck 110 is how well they got it right the first time.  Yes the knife has changed over time with respect to blade steel and wood choices the design overall has endured.  From what I gather the choice to go from 440c to 425m was due to this higher end steel being to hard to sharpen at the time.  They later moved to 420hc from 425m for the same reasons.  Kinda weird since the blades today are harder and harder.

I can't think of a more widely used or copied or influential knife than the Buck 110.  Versions are made everywhere. And the 110 became the symbol of Buck. It is what people, even non-knife people, think of as being a "lock-back" or a "Buck knife."
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 09, 2019, 08:31:00 PM
I think overall we are all closer to what is iconic.  We have some distinctions that probably need to be made and foot notes on predecessors but over all we're closer than we think. 

Icon, relevant, famous, would tend to close gaps rather than separate.  Each knife would fall into several categories and maybe falling into several serves to elevate into iconic stature?   
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: ThePeacent on January 09, 2019, 08:39:57 PM
I'm going to have to disagree a little there, El P.

The Ghurka knife is most definitely Iconic.

This is an image that defines the Ghurka soldier. The soldiers made the knife famous and legendary, and the knife is now a symbol...an icon...of the soldiers. Much the way the USMC combat/utility was (and still is) for US Marines. Both of these knives are used as symbols of their respective units. To the same extent, I'd argue that the F-S fighting knife (or variants) became the symbol, icon, of the Commandos or Special Forces.
At least for Americans, the Bowie knife is an iconic knife: it represents the frontier, the Wild West, maybe the cowboy. But some Bowie knives are also 'Famous', for example the Bowie in the Movie "Iron Mistress". A knife that became famous and helped solidify the Bowie knife's iconic status.


absolutely, not disagreeing, :cheers:
I never meant to say that one knife or blade couldn't fall into more than one of those three groups, in fact most of them overlap and have a bit of each,
the Bowie is certainly iconic, and is famous too, because of films, tales, novels, and stories, but I wouldn't say it was really relevant, almost any other knife would've done what it did (a puukko, a nessmuk, a Khiber...) in the Sandbar battle, and the subsequent survival and fighting tales, fights, outdoors travels and exploration of the wild US

the Gladius is very relevant, it allowed for the Roman empire to fight in their formation techniques, gain terrain in the grounds and lands they invaded, conferred advantage over the weapon styles and designs of their enemies, proved superior to their adversaries defenses...but it's not really "famous" in that if you ask or question people about what a "Gladius" is or if they could draw the main Roman Empire Soldier's sword, they would fail to do so...or "iconic", in that the Roman Shield, Helmet, formation and peplum/armor are as well known and recognised as their Gladius, if not more

finally, a Buck 110 is iconic, because it's a symbol or drawing the shape of which embodies the "folding hunting knife" by itself, and its profile immediately brings to mind the idea and real knife to anybody's mind, it was relatively relevant in that it introduced the first reliable and successful folding knife with a lock back in the US; it sold millions, it was carried by everyone, but to me is hard to say it shaped history or became a necessary tool, as it is, to shape or develop the progress of its country of origin and inhabitants. A drop point liner lock, a trailing point frame lock or a spey blade compression lock of equal strength, at the time, would've been equally successful and also "the first" of all the things he 110 achieved and was
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 09, 2019, 09:28:09 PM

absolutely, not disagreeing, :cheers:
I never meant to say that one knife or blade couldn't fall into more than one of those three groups, in fact most of them overlap and have a bit of each,
the Bowie is certainly iconic, and is famous too, because of films, tales, novels, and stories, but I wouldn't say it was really relevant, almost any other knife would've done what it did (a puukko, a nessmuk, a Khiber...) in the Sandbar battle, and the subsequent survival and fighting tales, fights, outdoors travels and exploration of the wild US

the Gladius is very relevant, it allowed for the Roman empire to fight in their formation techniques, gain terrain in the grounds and lands they invaded, conferred advantage over the weapon styles and designs of their enemies, proved superior to their adversaries defenses...but it's not really "famous" in that if you ask or question people about what a "Gladius" is or if they could draw the main Roman Empire Soldier's sword, they would fail to do so...or "iconic", in that the Roman Shield, Helmet, formation and peplum/armor are as well known and recognised as their Gladius, if not more

finally, a Buck 110 is iconic, because it's a symbol or drawing the shape of which embodies the "folding hunting knife" by itself, and its profile immediately brings to mind the idea and real knife to anybody's mind, it was relatively relevant in that it introduced the first reliable and successful folding knife with a lock back in the US; it sold millions, it was carried by everyone, but to me is hard to say it shaped history or became a necessary tool, as it is, to shape or develop the progress of its country of origin and inhabitants. A drop point liner lock, a trailing point frame lock or a spey blade compression lock of equal strength, at the time, would've been equally successful and also "the first" of all the things he 110 achieved and was

Hmmmmmm....certainly the Gladius was one of the most important edged weapons in history, for the reasons you note. I think you may be right about the gladius' limited recognition, but, dang, to me it would be iconic. Maybe better to say "the iconic edged weapon of the Roman Army."

I also think the Bowie knife was relevant. To be more precise, the idea of the Bowie knife. At the Sandbar fight, James Bowie is thought to have used a common 'butcher knife'. No one is really sure what that means. After the Sandbar fight he developed the 'Bowie Knife'. (maybe his brother Rezin or blacksmith James Black deserve the credit?)  And no one is really sure what that looked like either.

But the idea of the Bowie knife became popular. It stood for something (self-defense? self-reliance? Capability?). That idea did change history. "Bowie Knives" were in high demand as people started to migrate West. It was the "Bowie Knife" that became popular all along the frontier (and back East, too). When the war between the states broke out (1860-1865), many soldiers equipped themselves with Bowie knives (of every size, shape, and description). After the war, gold miners, cowboys, ranchers, etc..., armed themselves with Bowie knives.

True...other designs could have served just as well--there was no standardized "Bowie Knife". But it was the fame and, I'd say Iconic status, of the Bowie knife that made it relevant in American history. I don't know for sure, but the "KaBar" seems to have been derived from a Bowie design. So too have many hunting knives. I'd say that makes the Bowie relevant, iconic, and famous.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 09, 2019, 10:04:12 PM
It's interesting to note that even in the age when Mark Twain was writing about Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn (1870's-1880's), the Barlow pocket knife had already achieved an Iconic status:

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Mary gave him a bran-new "Barlow" knife worth twelve and a half cents; and the convulsion of delight that swept his system shook him to his foundations. True, the knife would not cut anything, but it was a "sure-enough" Barlow, and there was inconceivable grandeur in that - though where the Western boys ever got the idea that such a weapon could possibly be counterfeited to its injury, is an imposing mystery and will always remain so, perhaps.
- The Adventures of Tom Sawyer

Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: SteveC on January 10, 2019, 03:44:49 PM
I thought of one last night that I think is iconic

The original Stanley Utility knife



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I still call any utility knife a Stanley knife,  kind of like kleenex for tissues.

Spawned many copies and of course has been improved over time but they still make the original design.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 10, 2019, 03:47:10 PM
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Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 10, 2019, 03:52:36 PM
I was thinking along similar lines, Steve.

How about the Sabatier Chef's knife?  Iconic kitchen knife......in the West....

(https://www.seriouseats.com/images/2014/03/20140310-kenji-knives-food-lab-10.jpg)



On the other side of the globe, perhaps the Chinese chef's knife?

(https://laurelleaffarm.com/item-photos/vintage-Chinese-chefs-knife-cleaver-Hong-Kong-carbon-steel-blade-asian-cooking-Laurel-Leaf-Farm-item-no-nt913101-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 10, 2019, 03:54:06 PM
 :dunno: :think:

I've always referred to these as utility knives however in other parts this would have referred to a utility fixed blade.  Just a quick glance the Stanley knife is what a lot of folks on both sides of the pond call it, at least in the trades.  Very interesting blade to add to the conversation.   
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 10, 2019, 04:12:21 PM
@ Nix  :tu:  great knives to add to the conversation.  The "cleaver" is very recognizable I'd say to any average knife person as is the "chefs" knife.  They are both near and dear to me as I made my living using both for a good number of years.   The "Chinese" cleaver to which many call it is actually as you call it and a very thin knife as opposed to cleavers which have always been meant to be hackers in the kitchen.  I have two such knifes in my kitchen and one is certainly more robust and meant to impact bone while the Chinese chefs knife is clearly made to be a veggie slicing machine.
 
Admittedly I do call my Chinese chefs knife "cleaver" but I know not to use it as such, tho it would do the job no problem.         
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 10, 2019, 04:50:58 PM
@ Nix  :tu:  great knives to add to the conversation.  The "cleaver" is very recognizable I'd say to any average knife person as is the "chefs" knife.  They are both near and dear to me as I made my living using both for a good number of years.   The "Chinese" cleaver to which many call it is actually as you call it and a very thin knife as opposed to cleavers which have always been meant to be hackers in the kitchen.  I have two such knifes in my kitchen and one is certainly more robust and meant to impact bone while the Chinese chefs knife is clearly made to be a veggie slicing machine.
 
Admittedly I do call my Chinese chefs knife "cleaver" but I know not to use it as such, tho it would do the job no problem.       

"One of these things is not like the other...."

(https://i.imgur.com/zACGA71.jpg)



As you can see, my Chinese chef's knife (made in Japan) gets more use......
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 10, 2019, 05:15:46 PM
One of both the knives mentioned by you certainly are in the kitchens of most if not all.  They are easily recognizable and even when calling the Chinese chefs knife a Chinese cleaver most if asked would retrieve what pictured.  As to the Western Chefs knifes, same goes.  I have two in my kitchen and both are easily retrieved by those who rarely if ever step foot in a kitchen. 

Coming back to iconic status for either.  I'd say yes and what more interesting is this notion of iconic blades.  As I think more on it, the term iconic is beginning to seem more and more :think:. 

The list of blades would certainly include quite a selection.  "Categories" of blades might be a start.  I am rethinking the  guidelines as originally posted. 

It is the knife and for sake of discussion certain "dna" features standing the test of time ( relatively speaking ).  Its what we come to know as the knifes enduring features, not being able to necessarily determine maker that likely is what the average knife person sees as iconic.     

In the case of Spyderco as mentioned earlier, we see a hole in the blade, the leaf blade shape, FRN, and pocket clip.  If the knife is marked JOE KNIFE CO on the blade we'd call it Spyderco instinctively.  Spyderco might be iconic simply as a brand thats so widely recognized by the average knife person :dunno:.  Like Victorinox, every little red pocket knife irrespective of maker is a Swiss Army Knife to average person.  Only one however IS Victorinox.  Most average knife people will call the little red knife a SAK, hence Victorniox icon as both maker and product.

Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 10, 2019, 05:23:26 PM
I like where you are going with this......

Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: styx on January 10, 2019, 06:18:35 PM
As an outsider looking into a foreign culture regarding the Bowie knife it seems more that the appeal lies in the romantic notion of an every man's utilitarian rough and tumble tool over the highly structured ways of society. At that time if you wanted a bladed weapon it was the sabre that was the dominant thing and knives/daggers were backups or things of convenience. If you wanted something to dress different game animals with again there were more specialized butchering and skinning knives. If you were looking for utensils, you had your spoons, knives and forks for that as well.
But a Bowie knife sounded less fancy, less specialized, more utilitarian, more common man, more like you and me. A knife that can cut the guy who had 3 aces hiding up his sleeve as well as field dress a boar or a jackrabbit and be used as a fork.
Plus it isn't hard to get those romantic notions today when we have a lot of resources to get information and many things can be tried out in a fairly safe environment. Just imagine how hard would it be to distinguish fact and fiction in those days if you had a strong marketing like CS has or a following like Busse
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 10, 2019, 07:43:48 PM
Lots of folklore with the Bowie knife.  While I've read a few accounts what certain is James Bowie killed a man with a knife.  Scholars debate as to whether this was what is currently known as the Bowie knife.  The originator is also debated however Rezin Bowies seems to be the inventor and whether or not he actually made it is still debated.  Regardless IMO the Bowie knife as we know it is a knife that is widely known.  John Bowie certainly helped continue to tell tales of his bothers "exploits".  As we know, sometimes even those who witness something retell the occurrence with "creative license".     
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 10, 2019, 07:44:07 PM
In further thinking about this, scary right?   :rofl:  The term used in both the thread subject line and subsequent attempts to discuss the topic may have began along the wrong path.  The word iconic for me is now to narrow to properly define or attempt to define the blades mentioned. 

I mentioned earlier in the thread a word used to define iconic, formulaic.  I thought this was a path worth looking into.  Take the Khukuri for example.  The Greek Kopi is said to be and by all accounts ( by many ) is the father of the Khukuri.  However the Khukuri stands on its own as a blade and symbol.  Its recognized by most any average knife person and most people in general.  This takes nothing away from the Kopi as a probable father of the Khukuri.  Sharing DNA between them is interesting tho as we've seen with many blades its the tweaks and modifications that tend to make the incarnations their very own.  Each blade certainly stands on their own and are part of a cultures singular identity.  The Kopi being Greek and Khukuri Nepalese. 

So, how shall we then define blades like these?  Iconic certainly for me is sufficient in the most simplistic way.  By definition the word is good for knives like the SAK and Buck 110.  I'd agree that most knives/blades mentioned fall into the category of iconic.  There are some knives/blades however that would tend to be more significant.  Again we can use the example Khukuri.   Yeah yeah nothing is so simple with knife people.  For simplicity sake iconic works.   For blades/knives the push past this definition I'd suggest Historic.  I think this moves closer to where this discussion has been going.  ThePeace broke down in his contribution an interesting subset classification.  I do believe there still could be a "catchall" definition and iconic is probably the simplest.   Iconic vs Historic is closer to that catchall tho even then I'm not certain.  There may not be one word available when describing the vast blades we see as Iconic since some will tend to fall into another category or many.   

The Khukuri is both Iconic and Historic.  The Roman Gladius is said to be derived from the short sword of the Celtiberians.  This Gadius is also both to many.  While the Celtiberians sword may only be historical in nature and neither iconic nor historic.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 10, 2019, 08:06:12 PM
"Historic" seems darned nebulous. Seems like a semantic trap.

A rusted, twisted Viking blade is, by default, 'historic': it's old and it sheds some more light onto a given period of time. Does that make it historically significant?  Dunno.....  And, in so far as no modern knife stands in isolation, but depends on the design influences of older, previous designs,  any preceding knife must be considered 'historic'. Even a knife made today is 'historic' in the sense it will influence the knife made tomorrow (or the knives outlawed tomorrow) or become a footnote in the history of knives. Even if said knife is a flop and goes the way of the dodo. Where does history start? Ten seconds ago? Ten decades ago? Ten centuries ago?


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Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 10, 2019, 08:08:05 PM
And the kukri (khukuri) is still relevant today. It's still in use. While there are 'historic' examples of Kukris, it is still a very contemporary knife.

ADD: So, I'd say the Kopis is a 'historic weapon', but kukri is not.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: kirk13 on January 10, 2019, 08:19:09 PM
I've been following this thread with interest.

I'd argue(lightheartedly) that there's fewer than we think....

As a kid,I knew Kukris and commando(Sykes-Fairbourn) knives from the war comics I read(Commando,Warlord,Victor and such). I knew smokers knives. Swiss Army knives I've somehow always known. Bowie knives you always saw in the cowboy movies

The (to me) classic American lock knife,typified by the Buck 110 I'd never known until I started getting my hands on American gun magazines in South Africa.  Tactical folders I'd never really seen,or hadn't been aware of until arriving here. Likewise most classic patterns like Opinels,Mercators,stockmen etc...

I guess it depends on age and where you grew up
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 10, 2019, 08:33:35 PM
The closer we get the farther we move away  :rofl:.   There may very well be fewer than we'd like on the "list"  :(.  I'm certainly enjoying the responses and always enjoy any knife mentioned  :salute:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 10, 2019, 08:45:32 PM
And the kukri (khukuri) is still relevant today. It's still in use. While there are 'historic' examples of Kukris, it is still a very contemporary knife.

ADD: So, I'd say the Kopis is a 'historic weapon', but kukri is not.

All to which makes a list more involved  :salute:.   Heck even the Bowie on display at the Alamo looks nothing like the Bowie as we know it.  Check that, there are iterations that become what we know as the Bowie knife.  Once the tales took legs of their own makers made their "versions". 

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Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: RF52 on January 10, 2019, 08:48:20 PM
And the kukri (khukuri) is still relevant today. It's still in use. While there are 'historic' examples of Kukris, it is still a very contemporary knife.

ADD: So, I'd say the Kopis is a 'historic weapon', but kukri is not.

All to which makes a list more involved  :salute:.   Heck even the Bowie on display at the Alamo looks nothing like the Bowie as we know it.  Check that, there are iterations that become what we know as the Bowie knife.  Once the tales took legs of their own makers made their "versions". 

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Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: ThePeacent on January 11, 2019, 02:15:11 PM
  Take the Khukuri for example.  The Greek Kopi is said to be and by all accounts ( by many ) is the father of the Khukuri.  However the Khukuri stands on its own as a blade and symbol.  Its recognized by most any average knife person and most people in general.  This takes nothing away from the Kopi as a probable father of the Khukuri. 

  Iconic vs Historic is closer to that catchall tho even then I'm not certain.  There may not be one word available when describing the vast blades we see as Iconic since some will tend to fall into another category or many.   

The Khukuri is both Iconic and Historic.  The Roman Gladius is said to be derived from the short sword of the Celtiberians.  This Gadius is also both to many.  While the Celtiberians sword may only be historical in nature and neither iconic nor historic.

let's not forget that many historians believe that the Kukri might have also had its roots in the Iberian Falcata, and also that the Kopis might have been an evolution of the Egyptian "Kopesh", adopting both the name and the curved, forward-weight blades with strongly contoured grip and hand protection 

And, the Gladius might be "the" Roman weapon that comes to mind first, but what about the Pugio, the Pilum or the Spatha? They might not be as "iconic" but they sure were relevant and important to them, and as essential as the Gladius in the Roman Empire's success  :rant:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 11, 2019, 04:00:10 PM
let's not forget that many historians believe that the Kukri might have also had its roots in the Iberian Falcata, and also that the Kopis might have been an evolution of the Egyptian "Kopesh", adopting both the name and the curved, forward-weight blades with strongly contoured grip and hand protection 

And, the Gladius might be "the" Roman weapon that comes to mind first, but what about the Pugio, the Pilum or the Spatha? They might not be as "iconic" but they sure were relevant and important to them, and as essential as the Gladius in the Roman Empire's success  :rant:

Good points, El P.

Your comments go to emphasize what I was trying to say earlier--bladed tools and weapons are all part of a spectrum of design and technology. Each has evolved in it's own technological time period to meet the needs of the day. They've changed as technology and tasks have changed, but rely on earlier successes and failures. The history of the SAK is a perfect example: the Soldier of 1891 does not resemble the more iconic red Spartan of today.

I think that' why it is hard for me to see any one knife/sword/machete as being more 'historic' than another. Just as T.Rex is historic but no longer a viable animal for the current circumstances.

The term 'iconic' seems to be a more useful descriptor, in so far as some knives and swords seem to stand out as being particularly recognizable or emblematic of their era or uses. As you point out, the Gladius is the weapon that comes to mind, it's Iconic, whereas the Spatha seems less Iconic, though still quite important or relevant from a historical perspective.  :tu:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 11, 2019, 04:04:25 PM
Swords are starting to creep into the discussion. Aloha, do you want to limit this to knives? Or add all edged tools & weapons?

Swords will really open things up, but I think we were trying to develop a list of 'Iconic Knives'? 

Do we even have a list  started yet?   :ahhh

What the heck is going on here!?  :rofl:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 11, 2019, 05:13:07 PM
I like how this has evolved.  Swords, knives, and everything else that has entered the discussion is wonderful.  Getting back to the theme I will take a step back from over thinking.  Certainly a discussion of iconic swords and knives are double the fun  :D 

Iconic.  In the loosest definition for the average knife person.  I'd say easily and readily recognizable.  A person new to knives or a non knife person might very well be familiar with certain knives and not know their names.  Perhaps those who are new to knives will easily recognize the SAK however not recognize the Opinel.  The average knife person would have done some looking at models and thus be familiar with the Opinel if only by pictures.   

Iconic knife.  There is no prerequisite to own the knife.  You do not need to know its origins or history.  You do not need to know particular makers.  Examples are the Bowie knife and Barlow.     

An average knife person might be described as someone who owns a knife or knives.  Someone who has looked at knives online or locally.  A person who carries a knife and uses a knife other than in the kitchen.  When talking about swords however this very well not apply.  I'd say I am an average knife person yet I dont own a sword or machete.  I am familiar with various swords and cutting tools like the machete and axes. 

           
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: pfrsantos on January 11, 2019, 06:05:01 PM
Here's a few more: Palaçoulo Corta-e-Pica, Caneças (both portuguese) and Pattada (italian).

(http://costoffknives.com/image/cache/catalog/FI-2020_1-Bb-500x500.jpg)

(https://www.galatasaraykirtasiye.com/filmam-20201-b-catal-ve-anahtarlik-halkali-caki-filmam-aklar-filmam-ak-80735-69-B.jpg)
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 11, 2019, 06:35:41 PM
Iconic knife in some situations will be all encompassing.  Example, Q-Tip and Kleenex, both are used by a lot of folks to describe a product.  The names however are Brands of products, tissue and cotton swabs/buds respectively.   This might be US only  :dunno:?   If I were to ask for a Q Tip or Kleenex I'd be handed the product without regard to the Brand I was actually asking for ( again might be US only ).  If I asked for a Coke and only Pepsi was available I'd be asked if Pepsi was ok.  I mention this because for many these two are very different for most if not all.     

Swiss Army Knife I think is similar to what I am trying to work out in my head.  A CAK would be called Swiss Army Knife by many non knife people unfortunately.  I'd hope the average knife person knows the difference  :think:.  I think so.  That being said, does the average knife person know the different companies that produced Swiss Army Knives?  Wenger and Victorinox specifically?  Is this important?  If we are to include a SAK is it important to name the specific knife model and/or company that produced it?  My thought is, no.  If I say Swiss Army Knife to the average knife person they will instinctively know the knife and envision it ( whatever model and company V or W).     

  We discussed Sypderco.  We mentioned certain models and both the Dellica and Endura were brought up.   What's interesting is I can now identify both however I cannot identify other offerings as easily.  Does this make both the Endura and Delica Iconic?  Probably not as much as the more easily recognizable distinguishing factors of the Brand rather than the specifics of either the Delica or Endura.  The hole in the blade and Spyder logo particularly.   The pocket clip could be removed and the Brand would still be recognizable.  FRN handles are not as important as the hole and Spyder IMO.  I'd even go as far as saying the blade shape is important to easily recognize the knife and Brand.  Spyderco has some recognizable knives without question but in some ways they are more easily recognizable for features on their knives to the average knife person.  Many knife people get duped by these features alone.  In the case of Spyderco has the Brand become iconic or are we to determine a specific model?

Buck knives is a bit opposite.  The Buck 110 is the iconic knife of the Brand.  They are interchangeable in my mind for the average knife person.  I don't think much more needs to be said  :dunno:. 

On the other end would be the Bowie knife.  While iconic model/pattern there is no need to determine maker/brand.  I'd think similarly with Barlow. 

We might want to keep it to knives only however in the example I've given some knives are more closely attached to Brands rather than models. 

Lastly,  even my suggestion of the Opinel is a Brand and not a model.  If we are to include it which model? 

I suggest eponymous knives should be included.  Bowie, Barlow, Opinel, and others.     

   
       
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 11, 2019, 06:36:43 PM
Wonderful knives pfrsantos  :like:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: pfrsantos on January 11, 2019, 06:38:58 PM
Wonderful knives pfrsantos  :like:

Thanks, I think so, too.

 :cheers: :tu:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: SteveC on January 11, 2019, 06:50:16 PM
Wonderful knives pfrsantos  :like:

 :iagree:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 11, 2019, 06:58:26 PM
In the case ( pun intended ) of the Sod-Buster/Sodbuster.  This is a name trademarked by the company Case for this recognizable pattern but origins however point elsewhere.  The simplest approach is Sodbuster as we now know it would be considered.

Iconic knife.  There is no prerequisite to own the knife.  You do not need to know its origins or history.  You do not need to know particular makers.  Examples are the Bowie knife and Barlow.  I should have included Sodbuster as well  :think:.

EDIT to add the following.

Laguiole is interesting.  While the name is neither Brand or trade name its a known type/style of knife.  Whats also interesting, its often just called Laguiole, which is a small village in France.  This knife is produced in a few variations with respect to blade only models and those with corkscrews possibly others I am unaware of.  My understanding is only those produced in France in either Theirs or Laguiole are Laguiole knives. 

       
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 11, 2019, 07:12:03 PM
And 'Stockman' perhaps?
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 11, 2019, 07:21:38 PM
And 'Stockman' perhaps?

One of those patterns that would be hard to nail down to originator or any other pertinent information however certainly a very well known pattern to most folks in the US.  With tradionals I wonder if the average knife person could easily recognize this pattern and call it by name?  I certainly dont represent the average knife person since with some knives I am to the left of average and others I am on the right.     
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 11, 2019, 07:30:35 PM

One of those patterns that would be hard to nail down to originator or any other pertinent information however certainly a very well known pattern to most folks in the US.  With tradionals I wonder if the average knife person could easily recognize this pattern and call it by name?  I certainly dont represent the average knife person since with some knives I am to the left of average and others I am on the right.     


The origins are surely lost to time. I'd love to know who first came up with this pattern and named it "Stockman".

Still, this is a pattern that has deep roots in the USA. It was a go-to pattern from coast-to-coast and more or less defined "jack knife" for many working people. I certainly grew up thinking of it as the ideal jack knife (obviously I was wrong-ish).

It has also been made and is still made by major manufacturers, e.g. Case or Buck, and smaller makers as well. So, old pattern (late 1800's?), widely used and idolized, still in production. Still a brilliant pattern of Jack Knife.

Forced to chose, I'd say the Barlow is more Iconic, but the Stockman seems like a close second. Trapper would be in the mix there, too.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 11, 2019, 07:43:24 PM
Is anyone unhappy with this working list?  This is our list so please add to or take away and lets discuss why.  The asterisks are to denote thoughts that I brought up.  No asterisks are needed as this is just a working list.  I am hoping one or all of these knives can be imagined by you.  That you could pick them out from a vast array of knives.  I'd hope the average knife person could as well. 
 

Swiss Army Knife. *not model specific both Wenger and Victorinox   
Buck 110
Opinel                   * not model specific
Mora                     * not model specific either classic or companion
Laguiole               * style
Sodbuster            *not brand specific
Bowie                   * style specific
Balisong/butterfly knife
USMC KaBar fighting knife
Stiletto/Switchblade
Rambo knife        * style specific
Barlow

Question? Is Leatherman a knife?  Would Leatherman make anyones list?  Non specific of course.  Like Swiss Army Knife I think Leatherman is used to describe the MT in many cases not a specific MT.       

 


 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 11, 2019, 07:49:10 PM

One of those patterns that would be hard to nail down to originator or any other pertinent information however certainly a very well known pattern to most folks in the US.  With tradionals I wonder if the average knife person could easily recognize this pattern and call it by name?  I certainly dont represent the average knife person since with some knives I am to the left of average and others I am on the right.     


The origins are surely lost to time. I'd love to know who first came up with this pattern and named it "Stockman".

Still, this is a pattern that has deep roots in the USA. It was a go-to pattern from coast-to-coast and more or less defined "jack knife" for many working people. I certainly grew up thinking of it as the ideal jack knife (obviously I was wrong-ish).

It has also been made and is still made by major manufacturers, e.g. Case or Buck, and smaller makers as well. So, old pattern (late 1800's?), widely used and idolized, still in production. Still a brilliant pattern of Jack Knife.

Forced to chose, I'd say the Barlow is more Iconic, but the Stockman seems like a close second. Trapper would be in the mix there, too.

You get no argument from me.  These 3 would tend to be included in any conversation on traditional knives ( possibly US only ).   I further say these 3 would be included on any list of popular if not iconic patterns for me.  I have a trapper myself and like the pattern.  I also have 2 Case Sodbusters and a Texas Toothpick.  Lovely knifes all of them.  Heck I'd like to argue for the Texas Toothpick  :tu: 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 11, 2019, 07:53:40 PM
I think the F-S Commando knife has to be include on the list.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 11, 2019, 07:54:09 PM
And the Khukuri (Kukri).  :tu:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 11, 2019, 07:58:52 PM
Swiss Army Knife. *not model specific both Wenger and Victorinox   
Buck 110
Opinel                   * not model specific
Mora                     * not model specific either classic or companion
Laguiole               * style
Sodbuster            *not brand specific
Bowie                   * style specific
Balisong/butterfly knife
USMC KaBar fighting knife
Stiletto/Switchblade
Rambo knife        * style specific
Barlow
Puukko                * while the Mora and this are similar I believe this knife stands alone as does the Mora
Fairbairn–Sykes fighting knife
Khukuri
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: dks on January 12, 2019, 05:50:15 AM
From many years ago, growing in a culture where everybody had a knife.

Most would have a penknife, a slim knife with one or two thin blades. Usually from Sheffield or Japan.

Many would have basic friction folders, usually hand made, with thin slicing blades.

SAKs were less common because of cost and having more tools than needed.

US knives like buck, stockman etc. only became known to me in the past few years, through MTO mainly. I did have a Chinese vaguely 110 lookalike 30 years ago so the look was there.

Penknives and basic friction folders were the iconic ones, still made today.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 12, 2019, 07:05:24 AM
What I've been calling simple honest knives is what I'm imagining the knife you are talking about.  The Mercator and Higonokami come to mind as does the later Douk Douk.  Just simple straight forward cutting tools.

   
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Gareth on January 12, 2019, 11:45:29 AM
Glad to see the switchblade has made the list.  I'm not going to argue that it's good knife or one that has stood the test of time, but it is instantly recognisable.

(https://www.fusil-calais.com/1167-thickbox_default/couteau-automatique-corne-lame-10-cm.jpg)
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: ThundahBeagle on January 12, 2019, 03:49:20 PM
Swiss Army Knife. *not model specific both Wenger and Victorinox   
Buck 110
Opinel                   * not model specific
Mora                     * not model specific either classic or companion
Laguiole               * style
Sodbuster            *not brand specific
Bowie                   * style specific
Balisong/butterfly knife
USMC KaBar fighting knife
Stiletto/Switchblade
Rambo knife        * style specific
Barlow
Puukko                * while the Mora and this are similar I believe this knife stands alone as does the Mora
Fairbairn–Sykes fighting knife
Khukuri

I dare say that a truly iconic knife should be recognizable by non-knife fans.

The "Swiss Army Knife" the "Buck Knife", for example.

Things like Sodbuster, Stockman and Trapper really just are lost on the average bear. Any and all of those used to be called a Jackknife. While the SAK and the Buck have reached a level of celebrity.

I think if we are not careful, as knife people, this list will soon include every permutation of the jackknife, etc

I'm stuck between the puuko and the Mora, as the puuko is a specific design, and the Mora (seems to be) one specific manufacturers take on that design. I know many knife people who never even heard of Mora

Just my gutteral response
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 12, 2019, 04:27:03 PM
The switchblade is one that many non knife people and certainly the average knife person has seen or knows.  I even remember the switchblade comb. 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 12, 2019, 04:36:59 PM
Certain patterns or specific patterns of traditional knives and specifically US ones I also hesitate on.  The goal is to name ones average knife people know readily and are easily recognizable.  I wasn't around traditional knives as a kid.  My average knife knowledge began like dks, online.  I think the average knife person is someone who owns a few knives and has browsed or researched knives in a variety of way.  Along the way they have discovered knives that keep popping up time and time again.  Their knowledge isn't necessarily between collector and non knife person.  Its somewhere a bit more up stream  :dunno: 

I know regionally and globally this presents some challenges.  Which for me makes this discussion all the more interesting and fun.     
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: microbe on January 12, 2019, 04:53:33 PM
So Spyderco isn't in the list? Even if the spydie hole is copied high and low?
Or the Sebenza, which was the knife that introduced the framelock?
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: styx on January 12, 2019, 05:02:59 PM
one knife I might have missed on the list but to me it seems pretty iconic is the Barlow knife. it goes back centuries and being a knife of British origin, wouldn't be that much of a surprise if people would be familiar with it in all corners the the once mighty empire


EDIT: checked the list again and saw it was on there
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 12, 2019, 05:10:02 PM
When I began looking at knives my knowledge was primarily kitchen knives.  I as aware of the Buck 110, Rambo knife, USMC Kabar tho not by name, Bowie knife, SAK, Khukuri, and some swords.  I guess those would be iconic for me.  That however was the true knife newbie.  I'd still consider myself new as I am not one who researches knives or is up to date on the next super steel or maker. 

When I t ry to fence in where the average knife person would stand is not easy for me.  In some ways I feel like that person.  I was not aware of the Mora or Opinel however my lack of knowing these I feel was due to where I was in my knowledge.  The Opinel in particular was one I'd run across time and time again in just my basic of browsing.   The Mora was also one that when looking at camp knives continued to pop up.  My not knowing these was IMO nothing against them rather more a matter of where I was in my knife knowledge, newbie. 

Maybe we should try to determine who is the average knife person?     

 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 12, 2019, 05:11:18 PM
one knife I might have missed on the list but to me it seems pretty iconic is the Barlow knife. it goes back centuries and being a knife of British origin, wouldn't be that much of a surprise if people would be familiar with it in all corners the the once mighty empire


EDIT: checked the list again and saw it was on there

I agree the Barlow pattern is very recognizable.  Some might very well only know it by sight rather than name. 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 12, 2019, 05:16:07 PM
So Spyderco isn't in the list? Even if the spydie hole is copied high and low?
Or the Sebenza, which was the knife that introduced the framelock?

The Spyderco is a tricky one for me.  I'd personally say it should be on the list.  While the average knife person may not know specifically what model they would almost always attribute the hole and Spyder logo and blade shape to the company.  So for me the company is whats more recognizable to the average knife person and not a particular knife.  Some have said the Delica tho would the Endura be mistaken by the average knife person?  The PM2?  Would the average knife person know the PM2 is an acronym for Paramilitary 2?  Would they mistake the Military for the PM2? 

This becomes an interesting situation to me. 

I am not the gate keeper of the list so all are more than free to add subtract and we can discuss the merits as they come. 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: microbe on January 12, 2019, 05:40:50 PM
So Spyderco isn't in the list? Even if the spydie hole is copied high and low?
Or the Sebenza, which was the knife that introduced the framelock?

The Spyderco is a tricky one for me.  I'd personally say it should be on the list.  While the average knife person may not know specifically what model they would almost always attribute the hole and Spyder logo and blade shape to the company.  So for me the company is whats more recognizable to the average knife person and not a particular knife.  Some have said the Delica tho would the Endura be mistaken by the average knife person?  The PM2?  Would the average knife person know the PM2 is an acronym for Paramilitary 2?  Would they mistake the Military for the PM2? 

This becomes an interesting situation to me. 

I am not the gate keeper of the list so all are more than free to add subtract and we can discuss the merits as they come.

For me, Spyderco is a bit like SAK.
The SAK archetype is a red knife with a few layers containing tools.
The Spyderco archetype is a pointy single blade folder with hole in the blade for opening.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 12, 2019, 06:11:46 PM
I agree with you, microbe, but even in the USA I 'm not sure how many people really know Spyderco.

For me, the Spydie Endura is the iconic Spyderco....but I don't know that any Spyderco has risen to the level of recognition or fame that the Bowie or Barlow have (at least in their day).  :dunno:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: ThundahBeagle on January 12, 2019, 06:50:53 PM
So Spyderco isn't in the list? Even if the spydie hole is copied high and low?
Or the Sebenza, which was the knife that introduced the framelock?

The Spyderco is a tricky one for me.  I'd personally say it should be on the list.  While the average knife person may not know specifically what model they would almost always attribute the hole and Spyder logo and blade shape to the company.  So for me the company is whats more recognizable to the average knife person and not a particular knife.  Some have said the Delica tho would the Endura be mistaken by the average knife person?  The PM2?  Would the average knife person know the PM2 is an acronym for Paramilitary 2?  Would they mistake the Military for the PM2? 

This becomes an interesting situation to me. 

I am not the gate keeper of the list so all are more than free to add subtract and we can discuss the merits as they come.

I believe Spyderco should be on the list. All of the innovations of the brand, materials and style swept the police and rescue world by storm in the early 90's

Whether non knife people know it or not, the Spydie is responsible for a smurf-ton of the copy cats out there.

Wow. This list is harder and harder to quantify without getting into the weeds.

Good discussion, though.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: ThePeacent on January 12, 2019, 07:05:45 PM
what about the Tanto?
The knife, not the americanized blade shape.

It is not as well known as the Katana, but one does not exist in history without the other, they are a set.  :pok:
Most people would draw a tanto I guess when asked for a "Samurai Knife", a "Ninja Knife (not throwing knife)", a "Japanese combat knife", a "World War Japanese soldier knife" or such,  :think:
or not?

Is the Americanized Tanto more iconic that the original one?  :dunno: Does the Tanto blade shape overshadow the original curved point?   ???
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 12, 2019, 09:17:03 PM
Is the Americanized Tanto more iconic that the original one?  :dunno: Does the Tanto blade shape overshadow the original curved point?   ???

My guess is that the American version is more recognizable than the originals, as found in Japan.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Sea Monster on January 12, 2019, 10:32:59 PM
I missed page 4, so it may have already been discussed at length - but it seems what we've come down to is "culturally significant" which (depending on who you are in the knife world, and how important you think the knife world is, may or may not be a satisfactory answer)

We've settled on knives that Joe Average would recognise on sight as "iconic" - much of this has to do with appearance in hollywood. (Which is why the USMC Ka-Bar is more recognisable that the USAF knife - it has appeared on screen far more often)

(to draw a comparison to firearms - everyone would recognise a "Desert Eagle" if they saw one - but does that mean, internally to the firearms interest world, they are considered iconic or important in either design, function, or performance? or that they have "earned" their status, other than with some well placed shots (heh) in feature films?)

The 1911 is also reasonable recognisable to all and sundry - because every GI in every war movie ever made carries the thing (tom hanks uses one to blow up a tank....sort of....)

the Browning Hi Power is just as well used, by just as many nations (including the US), in just as many wars - but for whatever mysterious reason is far less recognised by laymen, and features in far fewer video games. - Does this make is less "iconic" ?


So, back to knives - unfortunately for designers (and sales departments) everywhere - innovation and design brilliance has not always equaled distribution and brand awareness, but that does not necessarily mean respect should not be given to those marques or models that brought key features into the limelight, even if they didn't necessary garner the most profit from it.


Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 12, 2019, 10:52:31 PM
So, back to knives - unfortunately for designers (and sales departments) everywhere - innovation and design brilliance has not always equaled distribution and brand awareness, but that does not necessarily mean respect should not be given to those marques or models that brought key features into the limelight, even if they didn't necessary garner the most profit from it.

Good points, Monster.

Maybe we need a different category for that: "Influential Knives" or "Game Changers" or just simply "Brilliant Knives".

There are several reason to prefer the USAF Pilot knife over the USMC KaBar for real-world carry/use, but it's the KaBar that gets lionized and becomes the Iconic Knife.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Syem on January 12, 2019, 11:52:06 PM
I think we're getting further and further from the original defined conditions (factory-made, still in production etc...) but it sure is an interesting discussion.

The line between knife and sword is hard to define... A blade is a blade and I think they could all be iconic.

I was surprised nobody mentioned the Sgian-Dubh. I'm not Scottish but my Canadian side has Scottish ancestry and I wish I can buy a nice Sgian-Dubh over there one day :D
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 13, 2019, 12:51:13 AM
Is anyone unhappy with this working list?  This is our list so please add to or take away and lets discuss why.  The asterisks are to denote thoughts that I brought up.  No asterisks are needed as this is just a working list.  I am hoping one or all of these knives can be imagined by you.  That you could pick them out from a vast array of knives.  I'd hope the average knife person could as well. 
 

Swiss Army Knife. *not model specific both Wenger and Victorinox   
Buck 110
Opinel                   * not model specific
Mora                     * not model specific either classic or companion
Laguiole               * style
Sodbuster            *not brand specific
Bowie                   * style specific
Balisong/butterfly knife
USMC KaBar fighting knife
Stiletto/Switchblade
Rambo knife        * style specific
Barlow

Question? Is Leatherman a knife?  Would Leatherman make anyones list?  Non specific of course.  Like Swiss Army Knife I think Leatherman is used to describe the MT in many cases not a specific MT.     
The so called Rambo knife is not something I would consider for the list. It gained it's fame in movie, it was was sold in discount stores every where. It never did get to the status of a serious knife, more novelty item.

As far as Leatherman goes, it's a multitool. Leatherman did make the multitools popular and deserves credit for that but not as a knife.

When I think swiss army knife the pioneer and farmer comes to mind, like Camullus scout type knives. There's comes a point when you add to many layers,  it looses it's knife status and becomes a multitool SAK.
The swiss champ is an iconic SAK but no longer a knife.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 13, 2019, 02:29:03 AM
This is really getting interesting.  Lets talk a look at closing the gaps if we can.  I posted this a page or so back.

 
Iconic could be described in the loosest terms for the average knife person ( see below as a working definition ) as the following.

PLEASE HELP WITH THE GUIDLINES.  Once we get a better working set of guidelines we can get back to the fun of picking knives for a list. 

1. Easily and readily recognizable.   

2. There is no prerequisite to own the knife.

3. You do not need to know its origins or history

4. You do not need to know particular makers.  Examples are the Bowie knife and Barlow.

Since we do come from many parts of the world lets create a working list of knives since certain styles will be "iconic" for specific regions and people.  Once we get a better collaborative guideline to whats iconic we can always whittle the list down later.  I am all in favor of adding a knife to the list if someone feels strongly about it.  This is a discussion and every knife is important tho not every knife will make the list.  I do think this list will ultimately be shorter than I originally thought.       

An average knife person might be described as someone who owns a few different style of knives.  A person who has an interest in knives.  A person who has looked at variety of knives online or locally.  A person who carries a knife and uses a knife other than in the kitchen.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 13, 2019, 04:04:43 AM
Many of us knife people have people in our lives who have heard us talk about our knives or knives we want.  We have showed them our knives or knives we want.  We have discussed knives till their eyes glazed over.  They have seen "most" of our knife collection as we ramble on about traits, edge geometry, handle scales, purpose, etc. 

What I propose is this.  Make a list of knives.  Ask this person if they are familiar with each knife on the list.  They don't have to know a particular brand or model name/number just what the knife looks like.  Any knife they can readily identify goes on your ( A ) list and any they cannot identify goes on your ( B ) list. 

I just did this with my partner and she was able to identify all but the Sodbuster and Puukko.  What I did was ask her " Do know any knife on this list?"  I then asked "Can you give me a basic description of this knife?"  With the Sodbuster she had no clue.  I then showed her both Sodbusters I have and she said "Oh, yes I know that knife but didn't know it was called that."  I personally would add this to my  ( B ) list.  The Puukko was similar however when I said the Mora Classic was similar to the Puukko she asked why both made the list.  Puuko would be added to my ( B ). 

She is a Spyderco fan.  She asked why Spyderco wasn't on the list.  I asked her which particular knife?  She paused and said the Brand like Victorinox/Wenger is iconic and not a particular knife.  I asked her which SAK to her would be iconic.  She carries a 58mm Midnight Minichamp daily on her work lanyard.  She said no one knife is iconic to her.  She said a red scaled multi bladed pocket knife with shield was what was iconic to her.

It was interesting to hear her take on this.  I would certainly call her average knife person +.  Plus (+) because I have multiple knives and talk about knives with her till her eyes glaze over  :facepalm: :rofl:     

What say you?  Sound like a good idea?  Certainly don't want to get anyone in trouble  :whistle:.   
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 13, 2019, 03:27:06 PM
I'm not going there.
If I layed out a pile of knives and asked the wife or daughter which one they think is classic. Eyes would roll and glaze over and they would look at me and say how many smurfin knives do you need.  They don't get it at all.  :(

Having little to no knowledge of European knives, I will suggest that the boy scout knife might be included as a classic american icon.
A lot of people grew up on this knife as their first knife. it's a pattern they still offer.
(https://i.imgur.com/p2XyUNA.jpg)
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 13, 2019, 03:29:25 PM
 :iagree:

(Sweet Scout, Dean!  :like:)
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 13, 2019, 04:41:42 PM
 :rofl:  fair enough. 

Lets carry on then  :salute:.

PLEASE HELP WITH THE GUIDLINES.  Once we get a better working set of guidelines we can get back to the fun of picking knives for a list. 

1. Easily and readily recognizable model/style/pattern/Brand.  I think we have to include Brand, see below.           

2. Knife must currently produced.  Sorry no one offs or discontinued models.   

3.       

4.

5.   

 
Some things to consider.
 
There is no prerequisite to own the knife.

You do not need to know its origins or history.  Many knives evolved to become what they are today.  Unfortunately the predecessor doesn't always get the credit or become popular enough to stand the test of time ( stay in production ). 
 
You do not need to know particular makers.  Examples are the Bowie knife, Barlow pattern.
 
Knowing a specific model isn't important as some Brands have become iconic vs specific models.  Because some Brands have done such a brilliant job at producing a wide array of models there are several models within the Brand that define the Brand.  The Brand therefor has become iconic over specific models within the Brand.

One example is the Swiss Army Knife.   With the vast array of models from both Victorinox and Wenger there wont be ONE single knife that'll stand out for everyone.  The Brand has become iconic,  particular features such as red plastic scales, multiple implements, and the shield are what identify the knife to the Brand.  They have become one and the same.

Another example to me is both the Mora and Opinel.  For some the Mora is both the Classic red handled knife and to others its the plastic Companion style while to others its both.  When we say Mora for those that know the knife/s, rarely is a specific model called by name.  The Brand has become the icon within the knife community.

Opinel is much the same to me as both Victorinox/Wenger and Mora.  Opinel has many models denoted by number.  Most just say Opinel knife.  We know instinctively the knifes features without regard to the knife number.

I'd say Spyderco is or has done the same.  No one model stands our for everyone however the Brand is widely known within the knife community.  Is the Delica the stand out?  Or is it the Endura?  Maybe the Paramilitary 2 is?  Much like the above mentioned knives when someone says Spyderco within the knife community instinctively we envision features and for some specific models.  This Brand like the ones mentioned above has become known for many models yet no one for everyone stands out over the Brand. 

To contrast this I as well as others suggested the Bowie, Balisong, and Barlow.  Which Brand stand out for any of these?  These are styles of knives that are easy to identify for most knife people because of certain features irrespective of Brand/Makers.  I suggested the Puukko.  I strongly feel this knife deserves a place on the list.  However the STYLE of knife is whats iconic and no one Brand stands out across the board. 

           
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 13, 2019, 04:45:51 PM
'No discontinued models' is a tough rule for me. I know this is going backwards, but... is the Barlow still in production?  Case has plans for one. Maybe some custom makers make them still. Maybe GEC (I'm not sure).  But what if nobody still made a Barlow?

There is no way I can go along with a definition of 'Iconic' that excludes the Barlow.   :td:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 13, 2019, 07:55:23 PM
'No discontinued models' is a tough rule for me. I know this is going backwards, but... is the Barlow still in production?  Case has plans for one. Maybe some custom makers make them still. Maybe GEC (I'm not sure).  But what if nobody still made a Barlow?

There is no way I can go along with a definition of 'Iconic' that excludes the Barlow.   :td:
:rofl:
Not to worry they are still in production.  :D GEC for one spits them out on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 15, 2019, 03:50:08 PM
Swiss Army Knife.  * Not model specific. Victorinox and for many Wenger both have become synonymous with the little red knife.   
     
Buck 110               
Opinel.  * Not model specific.  Even tho there are several sizes available The Opinel knife with over a hundred year history is simply Opinel, company, model, inverter/maker.
   
Mora.  *  Not model specific.  Like many great knife companies this one is 125 young and counting.  The Morakniv is recognized and known in its many iterations.  Classic, Companion, and the newer models. 
 
Laguiole.  *  Style.  Sometimes a knife becomes its own thing.  While the history suggests influences this style knife is its own thing. 

Sodbuster.  * Not brand specific.  This one is tricky.  The name is a trademark of Case.  The pattern is much older than the trademark.  To which wonderful country do we thank for this terrific pattern? 
 
Bowie knife.  * Style specific.  What we know as the knife Jim Bowie carried. 
 
Balisong/butterfly knife.  *  I'm not even going to touch on its origins.  Most Americans know it as the "butterfly knife".
   
USMC KaBar fighting knife/1219C2 Combat Knife/USMC Mark 2/U.S. Navy utility knife, Mark 2.  *  This knife seems to be offically called a few things.  The knife design being 70 plus years old probably best known as a USMC knife. 

Stiletto/Switchblade.    *  Any knife that seems to be banned across a wide range of countries gets my vote.  Is this the most banned knife?  Italian Stiletto Switchblade is what some call it while others including myself just refer to it as Switchblade.  Its the knife that many relate to 50s in the US as seen in movies and subsequently banned shortly thereabouts.       

Barlow.  *  Style/Pattern.  Good luck nailing down the origins.   Obadiah Barlow of Sheffield, England, around 1670 seems to be widely regarded as its origins.  Luke Furnace of Stannington is another name that'll pop up in most searches.  The John Russell Company is an American company that is likely responsible for mass producing this terrific pattern en mass in the US.     

Rambo knife.   * I am no longer sure this makes the cut ( no pun intended ).

Khukuri.  *  Whatever the inspiration, whatever the origins, this knife is emblematic of the Gurkhas and Nepalese culture.  Any blade that is so highly revered has got to make this list.       

 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 15, 2019, 04:23:12 PM
PLEASE HELP WITH THE GUIDELINES.
   
1. Easily and readily recognizable Model/Style/Pattern/Brand.           

2. Knife must be currently produced.   

3  Has stood the test of time.  Has the knife played a great historical role or is part of a cultural identity?  Is the knife a symbol of national pride?     

4.  A knife that is emblematic of a style/pattern/Brand.  * While some knives evolve over time to become what they are today.  Certain knives regardless of origin or inspiration become their own.  Parallel development sometimes is the reason for knives of seemingly similar DNA.

Am I getting close? 



           
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: SteveC on January 15, 2019, 04:39:43 PM
Does it really need to be currently produced to be iconic ?
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 15, 2019, 04:41:31 PM
Swiss Army Knife.  * Not model specific. Victorinox and for many Wenger both have become synonymous with the little red knife.   
     
Buck 110
               
Opinel.  * Not model specific.  Even tho there are several sizes available The Opinel knife with over a hundred year history is simply Opinel, company, model, inverter/maker.
   
Mora.  *  Not model specific.  Like many great knife companies this one is 125 young and counting.  The Morakniv is recognized and known in its many iterations.  Classic, Companion, and the newer models. 
 
Laguiole.  *  Style.  Sometimes a knife becomes its own thing.  While the history suggests influences this style knife is its own thing. 

Sodbuster.  * Not brand specific.  This one is tricky.  The name is a trademark of Case.  The pattern is much older than the trademark.  To which wonderful country do we thank for this terrific pattern? 
 
Bowie knife.  * Style specific.  What we know as the knife Jim Bowie carried. 
 
Balisong/butterfly knife.  *  I'm not even going to touch on its origins.  Most Americans know it as the "butterfly knife".
   
USMC KaBar fighting knife/1219C2 Combat Knife/USMC Mark 2/U.S. Navy utility knife, Mark 2.  *  This knife seems to be offically called a few things.  The knife design being 70 plus years old probably best known as a USMC knife. 

Stiletto/Switchblade.    *  Any knife that seems to be banned across a wide range of countries gets my vote.  Is this the most banned knife?  Italian Stiletto Switchblade is what some call it while others including myself just refer to it as Switchblade.  Its the knife that many relate to 50s in the US as seen in movies and subsequently banned shortly thereabouts.       

Barlow.  *  Style/Pattern.  Good luck nailing down the origins.   Obadiah Barlow of Sheffield, England, around 1670 seems to be widely regarded as its origins.  Luke Furnace of Stannington is another name that'll pop up in most searches.  The John Russell Company is an American company that is likely responsible for mass producing this terrific pattern en mass in the US.     

Rambo knife.   * I am no longer sure this makes the cut ( no pun intended ).

Khukuri.  *  Whatever the inspiration, whatever the origins, this knife is emblematic of the Gurkhas and Nepalese culture.  Any blade that is so highly revered has got to make this list.       

 

Puukko.  * While all Puukko are knives, not all knives are Puukkos.  I really like this.  I see this phrasing pop up often. There is a description of what a Puukko traditionally is however I would defer to our Finnish members on that.  I will say there is a Puukko for almost every task, woodwork, hunting, fishing, chopping, vegetables. and more. 

 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 15, 2019, 04:46:22 PM
Does it really need to be currently produced to be iconic ?

I really struggle with this and I think #2 could be omitted then.   I think #2 has to go.   Historic and historically relevant knives certainly have to make the list whether they are currently produced or not.   

PLEASE HELP WITH THE GUIDELINES.
   
1. Easily and readily recognizable Model/Style/Pattern/Brand.           

2. Knife must be currently produced.   

3  Has stood the test of time.  Has the knife played a great historical role or is part of a cultural identity?  Is the knife a symbol of national pride?     

4.  A knife that is emblematic of a style/pattern/Brand.  * While some knives evolve over time to become what they are today.  Certain knives regardless of origin or inspiration become their own.  Parallel development sometimes is the reason for knives of seemingly similar DNA.

Am I getting close? 



           
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 15, 2019, 04:51:45 PM
Does it really need to be currently produced to be iconic ?
If it's not currently being produced, wouldn't that make it historic rather than iconic?
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 15, 2019, 04:53:58 PM
1.  Easily and readily recognizable Model/Style/Pattern/Brand.           

2.  The knife played a great historical role.

3.  The knife is part of a cultural identity. 

4.  The knife is a symbol of national pride.     

5.  A knife that is emblematic of a style/pattern/Brand.  * While some knives evolve over time to become what they are today.  Certain knives regardless of origin or inspiration become their own.  Parallel development sometimes is the reason for knives of seemingly similar DNA.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 15, 2019, 05:01:59 PM
Does it really need to be currently produced to be iconic ?
If it's not currently being produced, wouldn't that make it historic rather than iconic?

I tried this route however historic and historical cause more confusion.

I like this way of describing the use of the two words,

The word "historic" refers to any event, object, or place that is considered an important part of history. It is the more selective of the two terms.

The word "historical" refers to anything and everything that has happened in or is connected to the past, no matter its level of importance.


Oxford definition.  Historic and historical are used in slightly different ways. Historic means ‘famous or important in history’, as in a historic occasion, whereas historical means ‘concerning history or historical events’, as in historical evidence; thus a historic event is one that was very important, whereas a historical event is something that happened in the past.
 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 15, 2019, 05:03:15 PM
Swiss Army Knife.  * Not model specific. Victorinox and for many Wenger both have become synonymous with the little red knife.   
     
Buck 110
               
Opinel.  * Not model specific.  Even tho there are several sizes available The Opinel knife with over a hundred year history is simply Opinel, company, model, inverter/maker.
   
Mora.  *  Not model specific.  Like many great knife companies this one is 125 young and counting.  The Morakniv is recognized and known in its many iterations.  Classic, Companion, and the newer models. 
 
Laguiole.  *  Style.  Sometimes a knife becomes its own thing.  While the history suggests influences this style knife is its own thing. 

Sodbuster.  * Not brand specific.  This one is tricky.  The name is a trademark of Case.  The pattern is much older than the trademark.  To which wonderful country do we thank for this terrific pattern? 
 
Bowie knife.  * Style specific.  What we know as the knife Jim Bowie carried. 
 
Balisong/butterfly knife.  *  I'm not even going to touch on its origins.  Most Americans know it as the "butterfly knife".
   
USMC KaBar fighting knife/1219C2 Combat Knife/USMC Mark 2/U.S. Navy utility knife, Mark 2.  *  This knife seems to be offically called a few things.  The knife design being 70 plus years old probably best known as a USMC knife. 

Stiletto/Switchblade.    *  Any knife that seems to be banned across a wide range of countries gets my vote.  Is this the most banned knife?  Italian Stiletto Switchblade is what some call it while others including myself just refer to it as Switchblade.  Its the knife that many relate to 50s in the US as seen in movies and subsequently banned shortly thereabouts.       

Barlow.  *  Style/Pattern.  Good luck nailing down the origins.   Obadiah Barlow of Sheffield, England, around 1670 seems to be widely regarded as its origins.  Luke Furnace of Stannington is another name that'll pop up in most searches.  The John Russell Company is an American company that is likely responsible for mass producing this terrific pattern en mass in the US.     

Rambo knife.   * I am no longer sure this makes the cut ( no pun intended ).

Khukuri.  *  Whatever the inspiration, whatever the origins, this knife is emblematic of the Gurkhas and Nepalese culture.  Any blade that is so highly revered has got to make this list.       

 

Puukko.  * While all Puukko are knives, not all knives are Puukkos.  I really like this.  I see this phrasing pop up often. There is a description of what a Puukko traditionally is however I would defer to our Finnish members on that.  I will say there is a Puukko for almost every task, woodwork, hunting, fishing, chopping, vegetables. and more.

Opinel.  * Not model specific.  Even tho there are several sizes available The Opinel knife with over a hundred year history is simply Opinel, company, model, inverter/maker.
I understand Opiniel because it's basically different sizes of the same knife.
   
Mora.  *  Not model specific.  Like many great knife companies this one is 125 young and counting.  The Morakniv is recognized and known in its many iterations.  Classic, Companion, and the newer models.
If Mora is not known for a specific knife, then you are saying it is known as a company.  If that's the case you would have to include Spyderco, they're not known for a specific knife but a style. There are other companies that would have to be included as well.
 :think:
Maybe when you narrow it down to a single knife there aren't that many icons out there.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 15, 2019, 05:10:13 PM
If it's not currently being produced, wouldn't that make it historic rather than iconic?

No reason a knife couldn't be both.

The "Kentucky Rifle" aka the "Pennsylvania Rifle" is iconic, but not in production. It's certainly a historic rifle, too.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 15, 2019, 05:12:32 PM
Opinel.  * Not model specific.  Even tho there are several sizes available The Opinel knife with over a hundred year history is simply Opinel, company, model, inverter/maker.
I understand Opiniel because it's basically different sizes of the same knife.
   
Mora.  *  Not model specific.  Like many great knife companies this one is 125 young and counting.  The Morakniv is recognized and known in its many iterations.  Classic, Companion, and the newer models.
If Mora is not known for a specific knife, then you are saying it is known as a company.  If that's the case you would have to include Spyderco, they're not known for a specific knife but a style. There are other companies that would have to be included as well.
 :think:
Maybe when you narrow it down to a single knife there aren't that many icons out there.

I'd agree with you there: If Mora is Iconic, then would not Buck, Sabatier, Case, Wilkinson, etc... also be 'Iconic'.   :think:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 15, 2019, 05:17:33 PM
I would agree about Spyderco.  Its certainly known by features specific to the Brand.  In an early post I tried to compare it to Mora, Opinel, Swiss Army Knife as having become more than a single knife model/style.  Its a Spyderco!   :D

Lets add Spyderco to the list.   :tu:


Swiss Army Knife.  * Not model specific. Victorinox and for many Wenger both have become synonymous with the little red knife.   
     
Buck 110
               
Opinel.  * Not model specific.  Even tho there are several sizes available The Opinel knife with over a hundred year history is simply Opinel, company, model, inverter/maker.
   
Mora.  *  Not model specific.  Like many great knife companies this one is 125 young and counting.  The Morakniv is recognized and known in its many iterations.  Classic, Companion, and the newer models. 
 
Laguiole.  *  Style.  Sometimes a knife becomes its own thing.  While the history suggests influences this style knife is its own thing. 

Sodbuster.  * Not brand specific.  This one is tricky.  The name is a trademark of Case.  The pattern is much older than the trademark.  To which wonderful country do we thank for this terrific pattern? 
 
Bowie knife.  * Style specific.  What we know as the knife Jim Bowie carried. 
 
Balisong/butterfly knife.  *  I'm not even going to touch on its origins.  Most Americans know it as the "butterfly knife".
   
USMC KaBar fighting knife/1219C2 Combat Knife/USMC Mark 2/U.S. Navy utility knife, Mark 2.  *  This knife seems to be offically called a few things.  The knife design being 70 plus years old probably best known as a USMC knife. 

Stiletto/Switchblade.    *  Any knife that seems to be banned across a wide range of countries gets my vote.  Is this the most banned knife?  Italian Stiletto Switchblade is what some call it while others including myself just refer to it as Switchblade.  Its the knife that many relate to 50s in the US as seen in movies and subsequently banned shortly thereabouts.       

Barlow.  *  Style/Pattern.  Good luck nailing down the origins.   Obadiah Barlow of Sheffield, England, around 1670 seems to be widely regarded as its origins.  Luke Furnace of Stannington is another name that'll pop up in most searches.  The John Russell Company is an American company that is likely responsible for mass producing this terrific pattern en mass in the US.     

Rambo knife.   * I am no longer sure this makes the cut ( no pun intended ).

Khukuri.  *  Whatever the inspiration, whatever the origins, this knife is emblematic of the Gurkhas and Nepalese culture.  Any blade that is so highly revered has got to make this list.       

Puukko.  * While all Puukko are knives, not all knives are Puukkos.  I really like this.  I see this phrasing pop up often. There is a description of what a Puukko traditionally is however I would defer to our Finnish members on that.  I will say there is a Puukko for almost every task, woodwork, hunting, fishing, chopping, vegetables. and more.

Spyderco  * Not model specific.   This Brand has done what all great brand have, become known for its style and features.  The hole in the blade, the blade shape, pocket clip, Spyder logo, all have come to be known as a Spyderco knife.  They have a wide range of knives from pocket knives to fixed blades.  They work with a wide range of knife makers and in house designers.  They are made in many places around the world.  The features of this brand are what are easily recognizable.         
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 15, 2019, 05:23:14 PM
 :iagree:

The Rambo knife seems like an Iconic movie prop.

However...if I saw three similar knives, I don't think I'd be able to pick out the actual Rambo Knife. 

And I think he had a different knife in every movie.....so....just how iconic is any one of the Rambo knives?
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 15, 2019, 05:26:32 PM
If it's not currently being produced, wouldn't that make it historic rather than iconic?

No reason a knife couldn't be both.

The "Kentucky Rifle" aka the "Pennsylvania Rifle" is iconic, but not in production. It's certainly a historic rifle, too.
The Kentucky Rifle" aka the "Pennsylvania Rifle are still in production for traditional shooters of muzzle loader. aka the Pedersoli Kentucky Flintlock
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 15, 2019, 05:36:27 PM
If it's not currently being produced, wouldn't that make it historic rather than iconic?

No reason a knife couldn't be both.

The "Kentucky Rifle" aka the "Pennsylvania Rifle" is iconic, but not in production. It's certainly a historic rifle, too.
The Kentucky Rifle" aka the "Pennsylvania Rifle are still in production for traditional shooters of muzzle loader. aka the Pedersoli Kentucky Flintlock

True...it can still be had. I've got one. But.....they aren't in production in the sense they are being actively made for purposes of hunting and revolution.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 15, 2019, 05:37:06 PM
I'm not trying to complicate things but maybe it can't be simple.
Multiple lists are needed.
Iconic knives that have stood the test of time, mostly unchanged.
Iconic companies known for a style of knife or knives.
Historical. The Roman sword and the first lock back, both gone but brought in a change in knives or history.
 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 15, 2019, 05:38:44 PM
If it's not currently being produced, wouldn't that make it historic rather than iconic?

No reason a knife couldn't be both.

The "Kentucky Rifle" aka the "Pennsylvania Rifle" is iconic, but not in production. It's certainly a historic rifle, too.
The Kentucky Rifle" aka the "Pennsylvania Rifle are still in production for traditional shooters of muzzle loader. aka the Pedersoli Kentucky Flintlock

True...it can still be had. I've got one. But.....they aren't in production in the sense they are being actively made for purposes of hunting and revolution.
well not for revolution but there are a very few who still hunt them.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 15, 2019, 05:41:49 PM
True.

And some people still drive a Model-T. And there are still a few Macintoshes in use....

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Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 15, 2019, 05:43:56 PM

Iconic knives that have stood the test of time, mostly unchanged.


I do think a knife needs a bit of history behind it before it could be considered 'Iconic'.

It's hard to see how a brand new knife, however, interesting or exciting, could be iconic.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: dks on January 15, 2019, 06:01:06 PM
For many, the Rambo knife started the(ir) whole survival knife craze/fashion.
The large blade, saw (irrespective of usefulness) the secret compartment, the idea that you could defeat anybody and survive with just that/a tool.

It encouraged people to get into knives, making them cool.

This is also valid for the Crocodile Dundee knife, I think.

Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 15, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
1.  Easily and readily recognizable Model/Style/Pattern/Brand.           

2.  The knife played a great historical role.

3.  The knife is part of a cultural identity. 

4.  The knife is a symbol of national pride.     

5.  A knife that is emblematic of a style/pattern/Brand.  * While some knives evolve over time to become what they are today.  Certain knives regardless of origin or inspiration become their own.  Parallel development sometimes is the reason for knives of seemingly similar DNA.

Guidelines.  I think we're getting close  :think:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 15, 2019, 06:14:50 PM
For many, the Rambo knife started the(ir) whole survival knife craze/fashion.
The large blade, saw (irrespective of usefulness) the secret compartment, the idea that you could defeat anybody and survive with just that/a tool.

It encouraged people to get into knives, making them cool.

This is also valid for the Crocodile Dundee knife, I think.

The Rambo knife is  :think:   Yes for many the knife is a large knife with serrated spine and secret compartment in the handle.  All other specific features aside and this is what is conjured up when Rambo knife if mentioned.  To those who are more astute, well  :hatsoff:.  Good real dks  :salute:.  This is certainly a famous knife in the movie sense.  It certainly was a mass produced knife for those looking to recreate their own Rambo fantasy. 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 15, 2019, 06:17:18 PM
I know there will be discussion but for now how are we looking?  Shall we add swords and really turn the volume up  :whistle:? 

ThePeacent where are you? 

Swiss Army Knife.  * Not model specific. Victorinox and for many Wenger both have become synonymous with the little red knife.   
     
Buck 110
               
Opinel.  * Not model specific.  Even tho there are several sizes available The Opinel knife with over a hundred year history is simply Opinel, company, model, inverter/maker.
   
Mora.  *  Not model specific.  Like many great knife companies this one is 125 young and counting.  The Morakniv is recognized and known in its many iterations.  Classic, Companion, and the newer models. 
 
Laguiole.  *  Style.  Sometimes a knife becomes its own thing.  While the history suggests influences this style knife is its own thing. 

Sodbuster.  * Not brand specific.  This one is tricky.  The name is a trademark of Case.  The pattern is much older than the trademark.  To which wonderful country do we thank for this terrific pattern? 
 
Bowie knife.  * Style specific.  What we know as the knife Jim Bowie carried. 
 
Balisong/butterfly knife.  *  I'm not even going to touch on its origins.  Most Americans know it as the "butterfly knife".
   
USMC KaBar fighting knife/1219C2 Combat Knife/USMC Mark 2/U.S. Navy utility knife, Mark 2.  *  This knife seems to be offically called a few things.  The knife design being 70 plus years old probably best known as a USMC knife. 

Stiletto/Switchblade.    *  Any knife that seems to be banned across a wide range of countries gets my vote.  Is this the most banned knife?  Italian Stiletto Switchblade is what some call it while others including myself just refer to it as Switchblade.  Its the knife that many relate to 50s in the US as seen in movies and subsequently banned shortly thereabouts.       

Barlow.  *  Style/Pattern.  Good luck nailing down the origins.   Obadiah Barlow of Sheffield, England, around 1670 seems to be widely regarded as its origins.  Luke Furnace of Stannington is another name that'll pop up in most searches.  The John Russell Company is an American company that is likely responsible for mass producing this terrific pattern en mass in the US.     

Rambo knife.   * I am no longer sure this makes the cut ( no pun intended ).

Khukuri.  *  Whatever the inspiration, whatever the origins, this knife is emblematic of the Gurkhas and Nepalese culture.  Any blade that is so highly revered has got to make this list.       

Puukko.  * While all Puukko are knives, not all knives are Puukkos.  I really like this.  I see this phrasing pop up often. There is a description of what a Puukko traditionally is however I would defer to our Finnish members on that.  I will say there is a Puukko for almost every task, woodwork, hunting, fishing, chopping, vegetables. and more.

Spyderco  * Not model specific.   This Brand has done what all great brand have, become known for its style and features.  The hole in the blade, the blade shape, pocket clip, Spyder logo, all have come to be known as a Spyderco knife.  They have a wide range of knives from pocket knives to fixed blades.  They work with a wide range of knife makers and in house designers.  They are made in many places around the world.  The features of this brand are what are easily recognizable.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 15, 2019, 06:27:38 PM
We leaving kitchen knives off the list?

What about the fisherman's "fillet knife"?

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Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 15, 2019, 07:29:44 PM
Kitchen knives,  :hatsoff: yes of course.  The Western style "chefs" knife is certainly well know style.  The Chinese chefs knife ( cleaver to most ).  The Japanese Santoku. 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Syem on January 15, 2019, 11:34:47 PM
After reading through, here are some thoughts on what I think are the boundaries of the "iconic knife" description.
Not getting into what makes it actually iconic (impactful, revolutionary, historic etc). Also, any specific brand/model combination can be argued to be an iconic knife... I'm just talking here about theoretical edge-cases and which conditions could allow one to be submitted in a "iconic knives" list.

An iconic knife cannot be a brand. Unless that knife is the only one made by this brand. (exception 1)

In terms of military knives, a specific instance or a succession of "XYZ official knife" instances could be "an iconic knife". (exception 2)

In terms of civilian knives, a specific widespread design could be "an iconic knife".(3)

The Opinel, for example, had for the longest time only one model in multiple sizes. That historical Opinel (forgetting the new models and variations) either in the specific most common size or as a design (regardless of its size) could fit exception 1 and/or 3. "Historical Opinel" or "Historical Opinel design", for example, seem like potentially valid list entries.

I don't feel like SAKs can be defined as "an iconic knife" as a group. Each model/design would need to be argued individually; I can see the Spartan, Classic, SwissChamp or maybe Huntsman as possibly making the cut but probably not a climber or farmer.
On the other hand, the true SAK (official knives of the Swiss Army) could fit exception 2 although a case could be made for individual instances either under 2 or under 3.

USMC knife(/knives) fits 2 and/or 3.

A "function" design (one concept/function, many makers, many shape/size variations) such as the chinese cleaver or the Chef's knife, fileting knife, oister knife or even steak knife (which household doesn't have one of those?), could fit in description 3 but the case for it being "iconic" would need to be very strong.

The "still in production" criterion seems like a pretext of the original article to advertise knives that can be sold. I'd argue that most iconic knives probably can't still be purchased in all their original materials (steel, scales, rivets etc..).

"iconic brands" should be another conversation unless it matches description 1.

Swords... I don't know... If we go down that path it may just turn out as a list of major swords and sabers designs that could be found on a historical replicas website. An exception could be a sword so iconic that some of its specific design features was later passed down to knives?

As for what constitutes an iconic knife, while not wanting to go encyclopedic I still think there should be some objective evidence; either documented reference or general/regional concensus.

Just my 2 cents disagree at will!
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 16, 2019, 02:41:48 PM
After reading through, here are some thoughts on what I think are the boundaries of the "iconic knife" description.
Not getting into what makes it actually iconic (impactful, revolutionary, historic etc). Also, any specific brand/model combination can be argued to be an iconic knife... I'm just talking here about theoretical edge-cases and which conditions could allow one to be submitted in a "iconic knives" list.

An iconic knife cannot be a brand. Unless that knife is the only one made by this brand. (exception 1)

In terms of military knives, a specific instance or a succession of "XYZ official knife" instances could be "an iconic knife". (exception 2)

In terms of civilian knives, a specific widespread design could be "an iconic knife".(3)

The Opinel, for example, had for the longest time only one model in multiple sizes. That historical Opinel (forgetting the new models and variations) either in the specific most common size or as a design (regardless of its size) could fit exception 1 and/or 3. "Historical Opinel" or "Historical Opinel design", for example, seem like potentially valid list entries.

I don't feel like SAKs can be defined as "an iconic knife" as a group. Each model/design would need to be argued individually; I can see the Spartan, Classic, SwissChamp or maybe Huntsman as possibly making the cut but probably not a climber or farmer.
On the other hand, the true SAK (official knives of the Swiss Army) could fit exception 2 although a case could be made for individual instances either under 2 or under 3.

USMC knife(/knives) fits 2 and/or 3.

A "function" design (one concept/function, many makers, many shape/size variations) such as the chinese cleaver or the Chef's knife, fileting knife, oister knife or even steak knife (which household doesn't have one of those?), could fit in description 3 but the case for it being "iconic" would need to be very strong.

The "still in production" criterion seems like a pretext of the original article to advertise knives that can be sold. I'd argue that most iconic knives probably can't still be purchased in all their original materials (steel, scales, rivets etc..).

"iconic brands" should be another conversation unless it matches description 1.

Swords... I don't know... If we go down that path it may just turn out as a list of major swords and sabers designs that could be found on a historical replicas website. An exception could be a sword so iconic that some of its specific design features was later passed down to knives?

As for what constitutes an iconic knife, while not wanting to go encyclopedic I still think there should be some objective evidence; either documented reference or general/regional concensus.

Just my 2 cents disagree at will!

Just my 2 cents but I have to agree.
You can make a list of iconic knives but you can not add iconic companies to that list. Iconic knives and iconic companies are not the same thing.
I'll split the list as an example.

Knife list
Buck 110
               
Opinel.  * Not model specific.  Even tho there are several sizes available The Opinel knife with over a hundred year history is simply Opinel, company, model, inverter/maker.
   
Laguiole.  *  Style.  Sometimes a knife becomes its own thing.  While the history suggests influences this style knife is its own thing. 

Sodbuster.  * Not brand specific.  This one is tricky.  The name is a trademark of Case.  The pattern is much older than the trademark.  To which wonderful country do we thank for this terrific pattern? 
 
Bowie knife.  * Style specific.  What we know as the knife Jim Bowie carried. 
 
Balisong/butterfly knife.  *  I'm not even going to touch on its origins.  Most Americans know it as the "butterfly knife".
   
USMC KaBar fighting knife/1219C2 Combat Knife/USMC Mark 2/U.S. Navy utility knife, Mark 2.  *  This knife seems to be offically called a few things.  The knife design being 70 plus years old probably best known as a USMC knife. 

Stiletto/Switchblade.    *  Any knife that seems to be banned across a wide range of countries gets my vote.  Is this the most banned knife?  Italian Stiletto Switchblade is what some call it while others including myself just refer to it as Switchblade.  Its the knife that many relate to 50s in the US as seen in movies and subsequently banned shortly thereabouts.       

Barlow.  *  Style/Pattern.  Good luck nailing down the origins.   Obadiah Barlow of Sheffield, England, around 1670 seems to be widely regarded as its origins.  Luke Furnace of Stannington is another name that'll pop up in most searches.  The John Russell Company is an American company that is likely responsible for mass producing this terrific pattern en mass in the US.     

Rambo knife.   * I am no longer sure this makes the cut ( no pun intended ).

Khukuri.  *  Whatever the inspiration, whatever the origins, this knife is emblematic of the Gurkhas and Nepalese culture.  Any blade that is so highly revered has got to make this list. 

Boy Scout knife, 4 blade. The original style and still in the boy scout catalog.

Company list, this is only an example you would have to add a lot more companies to make the list complete.

Puukko.  * While all Puukko are knives, not all knives are Puukkos.  I really like this.  I see this phrasing pop up often. There is a description of what a Puukko traditionally is however I would defer to our Finnish members on that.  I will say there is a Puukko for almost every task, woodwork, hunting, fishing, chopping, vegetables. and more.

Spyderco  * Not model specific.   This Brand has done what all great brand have, become known for its style and features.  The hole in the blade, the blade shape, pocket clip, Spyder logo, all have come to be known as a Spyderco knife.  They have a wide range of knives from pocket knives to fixed blades.  They work with a wide range of knife makers and in house designers.  They are made in many places around the world.  The features of this brand are what are easily recognizable.

Mora.  *  Not model specific.  Like many great knife companies this one is 125 young and counting.  The Morakniv is recognized and known in its many iterations.  Classic, Companion, and the newer models. 

Swiss Army Knife.  * Not model specific. Victorinox and for many Wenger both have become synonymous with the little red knife.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: RF52 on January 16, 2019, 03:43:46 PM
The Puukko is a style of knife, not a company.
And Mora is both a knife style and a company.

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Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 16, 2019, 04:48:50 PM
Some good thinking and some great thoughts.   
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 16, 2019, 04:50:43 PM
After reading through, here are some thoughts on what I think are the boundaries of the "iconic knife" description.
Not getting into what makes it actually iconic (impactful, revolutionary, historic etc). Also, any specific brand/model combination can be argued to be an iconic knife... I'm just talking here about theoretical edge-cases and which conditions could allow one to be submitted in a "iconic knives" list.

An iconic knife cannot be a brand. Unless that knife is the only one made by this brand. (exception 1)

In terms of military knives, a specific instance or a succession of "XYZ official knife" instances could be "an iconic knife". (exception 2)

In terms of civilian knives, a specific widespread design could be "an iconic knife".(3)

The Opinel, for example, had for the longest time only one model in multiple sizes. That historical Opinel (forgetting the new models and variations) either in the specific most common size or as a design (regardless of its size) could fit exception 1 and/or 3. "Historical Opinel" or "Historical Opinel design", for example, seem like potentially valid list entries.

I don't feel like SAKs can be defined as "an iconic knife" as a group. Each model/design would need to be argued individually; I can see the Spartan, Classic, SwissChamp or maybe Huntsman as possibly making the cut but probably not a climber or farmer.
On the other hand, the true SAK (official knives of the Swiss Army) could fit exception 2 although a case could be made for individual instances either under 2 or under 3.

USMC knife(/knives) fits 2 and/or 3.

A "function" design (one concept/function, many makers, many shape/size variations) such as the chinese cleaver or the Chef's knife, fileting knife, oister knife or even steak knife (which household doesn't have one of those?), could fit in description 3 but the case for it being "iconic" would need to be very strong.

The "still in production" criterion seems like a pretext of the original article to advertise knives that can be sold. I'd argue that most iconic knives probably can't still be purchased in all their original materials (steel, scales, rivets etc..).

"iconic brands" should be another conversation unless it matches description 1.

Swords... I don't know... If we go down that path it may just turn out as a list of major swords and sabers designs that could be found on a historical replicas website. An exception could be a sword so iconic that some of its specific design features was later passed down to knives?

As for what constitutes an iconic knife, while not wanting to go encyclopedic I still think there should be some objective evidence; either documented reference or general/regional concensus.

Just my 2 cents disagree at will!

Thank you.  I am liking where you are going with this. 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: pfrsantos on January 17, 2019, 04:13:22 PM
Another iconic knife/model: the french Douk-Douk.

Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on January 17, 2019, 04:48:03 PM
I'm inclined to second Santos' Douk-Douk nomination, but I don't know how well known that knife is outside of the Mediterranean.

For me, the Douk-Douk is an iconic knife. It represents a lot of history and has cultural significance. But even many knife people may have a hard time describing a Douk-Douk or its origins.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 17, 2019, 04:53:45 PM
Mercator K55K and Higonokami also come to mind. 

I dont know what I started here but it has really got me looking into knive more than I've ever done.  My poor dog had to hear my ramblings the other day as he was the only one who didn't start to walk away when I began.   Today however he seems completely uninterested.   
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: pfrsantos on January 17, 2019, 05:23:43 PM
I'm inclined to second Santos' Douk-Douk nomination, but I don't know how well known that knife is outside of the Mediterranean.

For me, the Douk-Douk is an iconic knife. It represents a lot of history and has cultural significance. But even many knife people may have a hard time describing a Douk-Douk or its origins.

It has a very rich and long history. Chack this out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douk-Douk
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: pfrsantos on January 17, 2019, 05:26:02 PM
The former Wikipedia article reminded me of the Okapi knife. Originally from South Africa, the ratchet-like lock is very unique and recognizable.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Okapiknifes.jpg/1280px-Okapiknifes.jpg)
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 17, 2019, 05:40:18 PM
The former Wikipedia article reminded me of the Okapi knife. Originally from South Africa, the ratchet-like lock is very unique and recognizable.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Okapiknifes.jpg/1280px-Okapiknifes.jpg)

The Spanish Navaja and even Laguiole, I'd also suggest the Texas Toothpick looks to be "similar".  What neat is the Yatagan or Yataghan blade similarity.  Dont have a clue if this influenced any or just possibly the Laguiole.   

While history always wants to connect things sometimes it just not that easy.  Parallel development does occur like the Falcata and Kopi as many experts have asserted.   Humans need for cutting tools and weapons could have easily developed "like" tools and weapons.

Its a neat knife thats for certain.     
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Dean51 on January 17, 2019, 07:08:04 PM
The Douk-Douk, Mercator K55K and the Okapi knife were icons in their region before the internet made them more recognizable to knife knuts world wide.
I would vote for them as icons.

Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Poncho65 on January 18, 2019, 03:52:41 AM
What a discussion :o I had to play catch up here but I am glad I did :like: Lot of great thoughts in here peeps :salute: I have collected knives my whole life pretty much and I am back and forth in my mind what is iconic ??? So many points to support both sides of many of these knives that I am having a hard time figuring all this out for myself now :ahhh

As a kid growing up in the 80s and in a knife collecting area and family. I knew of Swiss Army Knives but not the Vic or Wenger brand, I even had a Red Champion like one, I had a Rambo knife and cherished it as a young boy :like: I went out in the woods and played Rambo some even :D I also had many different traditionals plus a few not so traditionals ;) I had not heard of Opinel nor Spyderco then and only caught up with those brands and a few more like Mora, when I first came here :cheers: I had heard of the Douk Douk, I had a kukhuri, I had heard of Laguiole, of course I knew of Case and had a few of their knives as well  :cheers: German brands of knives were widespread in this are and very common such as Boker, German Eye, Hen and Rooster and several other brands as well :salute: I knew about Buck knives and even though I didn't own a Buck growing up I had several similar lockbacks reminiscent of the 110 and knew of Barlows and Sodbusters :cheers:

Sorry to ramble but I was just typing as I was thinking of things :D

Just look over this post if you get bored of my rambling :rofl: but I did want to add something to this great topic :cheers:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: sak60 on January 18, 2019, 06:40:09 AM
The K55K
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on January 18, 2019, 07:12:16 AM
Thanks Poncho for your post.  Its been a neat journey even if the list has not quite been made.  I am really enjoying the discussion. 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: shark_za on January 18, 2019, 07:36:15 PM
The former Wikipedia article reminded me of the Okapi knife. Originally from South Africa, the ratchet-like lock is very unique and recognizable.


Originally from Germany but made famous and then taken over by South Africa.
Hard working peoples knives.
 
Also got a reputation in the Caribbean.
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on February 08, 2019, 04:10:43 PM
I haven't abandoned this thread  :salute:.  I've been pondering the knives and wonderful contributions made to this thread.  I'm gonna have a go at a list and we'll see what happens.  Thank you for all the comments and suggestions. 

 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: ThePeacent on February 08, 2019, 09:31:50 PM
I haven't abandoned this thread  :salute:.  I've been pondering the knives and wonderful contributions made to this thread.  I'm gonna have a go at a list and we'll see what happens.  Thank you for all the comments and suggestions. 

 

(https://i.imgur.com/I62VXFu.gif)
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Anka on February 08, 2019, 10:59:25 PM
Big fan of the Buck 110, Douk Douk, Mercator k55k, and opinel.

The Mercator was with me today.

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Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Nix on February 08, 2019, 11:36:11 PM
 :like:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: sak60 on February 09, 2019, 02:52:24 AM
:like:
+1
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Aloha on July 30, 2021, 08:50:46 PM
I just reread thru this thread.  Man what a fantastic discussion.  We made a lot of progress and even got a working list thanks to Dean and Syem plus all the input. 

I was thinking of Dean and his contributions to this little project of mine.  While I eventually abandoned this thread it was not for lack of interest.  I was enthusiastically researching and reading every response from knowledgeable members.  I'm going to revive this thread in a little bit using Deans list inspired by Syem. 

The discussion was so fun and I appreciate everyone who contributed.  Dean thank you for such a great conversation.  Its one I always appreciated and hoped you did too. 
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: ElevenBlade on August 01, 2021, 05:53:34 PM
I read through the thread... All of it. Wonderful discussion.

It's been hard to define a criteria for an iconic knife, probably because it means different things to different people... Which, by definition, means that there is no definition.  :think:

To me, I think of an iconic knife to be archetypal. I think it has to start with the perception of non-knife people, and it has to end with a percieved purpose of use. What's in between is a smattering of history, culture, and several other variables that have been debated throughout the thread. 

Ultimately, it's the archetypes that tell me what knives are iconic.  To borrow from another similar thread within the last year or two... The quintessential knife(s) in the archetype are iconic.  The image of the knife will bring a name (which may not be the proper one) and a purpose of use to a non-knife-knut observer.

Some rambling thoughts -

Buck Knife: 110 to be precise. When something like it is shown on Into the Wild, every movie-goer knows exactly why the older man gives it to the younger one.

SAK: it has to be red. Everyone knows it's the thing with all the things that MacGyver used.

Laguiole/Opinel/Navaja: what the average person might call a fruit knife. It's a pocket knife used for food, not fighting.

Rambo/Crocodile Dundee/Bowie: survival and fighting

And so on and so forth. Many others fall into the iconic knife category in this way... The F-S, stilleto, and any American traditional, are some other examples.

The casual observer may not be able to pinpoint the difference between a Navaja and a Laguiole, or a Barlow vs a Trapper. But they conjure up the same ideas. Then it's up to us to determine if the knife fits the archetype. For example, 20 years ago I saw an Opinel being used in the break room at work.  It was the first and last time I've seen one that I didn't own, in the wild. So even though there are very significant differences between an Opinel and a Laguiole, they're in the same archetype, and their differences make them stand up as iconic in their own right.

What I wonder is...

Modern folders - are there any that are truly iconic?  I think Spyderco may have some recognition as a police officer's knife. I fear that anything else - Benchmade, Civivi, Emerson, what have you... I fear they're all lumped into the icon of pocket jewelry or weapons.

I wonder if any modern knife will ever become an icon.  If the Bugout will be seen in the same light as the 110... Or a Leatherman Micra in the same light as a Case penknife.


Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Fuzzbucket on August 01, 2021, 06:07:46 PM
Great posts you two - and thanks for reviving the thread.  :tu:
Title: Re: Lets talk iconic knives.
Post by: Steelej1976 on August 02, 2021, 05:00:00 PM
I scanned the thread and not sure if it has been mentioned but I will add the TL-29 is pretty iconic