Cody Lundin has 23 items and Dave Canterbury has his 10 C's.
Dave Canterbury's 10 C's
Cutting tool
Combustion device
Cover
Container
Cordage
Cotton bandana
Compass
Candlelight
Canvas needle
Cargo tape
Cody Lunden's Basic Survival Kit
1 gallon zipper-lock bags
Tincture of Iodine Tablets for water purification
Plastic Drinking Tube approx. 3 ft. in length
2 unlubricated Condoms used as canteens
Orange Flagging Tape used for signaling
Dental Floss can be used for sewing to fishing line.
Duct Tape (the more the better IMO)
Small Flashlight w/ spare bulb's n batteries
Magnesium Fire Starter
Bic Lighter
Wooden Matches dipped in paraffin
Firestarter Excellorent - cotton balls dipped in petroleum jelly
Magnifying Glass
Emergency Signal Mirror with sighting hole
plastic whistle
Space Blanket single use
Heavy Duty Space Blanket/ Tarp
3 Heavy Duty 40-50 gallon plastic bags
Paracord at least 50 ft.
Extra Knife made with carbon steel
Bandanna brightly colored/non camo
Basic First-Aid Kit
Topographical Map and Compass of the area
Anyone else use these guys lists to compile an outdoor pack?
Anyone add something not on these lists?
so, they have no use for a mobile phone?
When it comes to gear lists, open ended is usually better as it lets you conform it to the environment. Although at some point one has to talk specifics and then a whole lotta crazy comes out.
Here is another interesting spin on the subject that actually makes sense (too many people trying to sell their own acronyms if you ask me)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L0V7JkEx7o
For me, I think of Dave's list as a very good starting point. 'You should have these categories covered'. I'm comfortable figuring out HOW I'll cover them on my own, but seeing other folks' lists (like Cody's) is a great source for thoughts on cheap, readily available, reliable, portable solutions.
Honestly, I can't even remember what STOP stands for. Outside of FUBAR, BOHICA and SNAFU, I'm not much for acronyms
I can just see Ron Hood licking his lips when talking about rats :whistle:
Rodents are plentiful almost everywhere, I have wire and braid for snares, but I've never snared a thing in my life!
I got all-metal rat (x2) and mice (x2) traps to include in my kit....they don't weigh much.
I got the idea looking at tracks in the sand early morning in a camp site.
What do you think? Good weight or bad weight?
I can just see Ron Hood licking his lips when talking about rats :whistle:
Rodents are plentiful almost everywhere, I have wire and braid for snares, but I've never snared a thing in my life!
I got all-metal rat (x2) and mice (x2) traps to include in my kit....they don't weigh much.
I got the idea looking at tracks in the sand early morning in a camp site.
What do you think? Good weight or bad weight?
Even fishing is pretty much a waste of time in a survival scenario.Then the fishing must be tough.
HiQuoteEven fishing is pretty much a waste of time in a survival scenario.Then the fishing must be tough.
Water is scarce in this part of the world, but I'm pretty sure fishing is the easiest way to sustain yourself should you be close to any water.
I guess it helps that the water doesn't freeze over here? Fishing might be slow during winter, but it doesn't go away completely.
Edible local plants on the other hand are extremely limited.
I know more edible plants than the average person, but as soon as you go below ground where the best stuff are, I'm lost.
My one big doubt stems from my size and the quantities I eat, even now while I'm losing weight.....
I doubt I could sustain myself with 4 traps, even with 100% strike rate....
Sustain yourself for how long? 72 hours you're clear, 6 months, you're smurfedDepending on the season and if there's water, I'm pretty sure I can make 72 hours with only the basics like a knife and ferro rod.
I feel this confirms my statement area knowledge is everything, and what is right in Scandinavia isn't necessarily right in South-Africa. :) That said, why not learn about the good stuff below ground as well, then? Knowledge weighs less and is more valuable than traps.For sure, nothing beats local knowledge
When it comes to gear lists, open ended is usually better as it lets you conform it to the environment. Although at some point one has to talk specifics and then a whole lotta crazy comes out.
Here is another interesting spin on the subject that actually makes sense (too many people trying to sell their own acronyms if you ask me)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L0V7JkEx7o
Nice to see a vid without all the usual bravado and BS, and also that's generically themed rather than pushing specific products or brands :tu:
Acronyms can be a useful aide memoir, but can you really rely on remembering them or what they stand for when the adrenaline is pumping, or you're tired, hungry, disoriented?
Personally I have adopted or rather made myself a cue card. It's a small laminated credit sized card which has got a few prompters on it to help jumpstart my mind if the chips are down. It has got some of the common acronyms on, but as full words. Topics covered are reminders to stop and plan, first aid cues (CPR and hyperthermia), navigation, water, fire, heatloss awareness and prevention, general hazard awareness, shelter, signalling, food, basically a good cross section of what I'd need to get the old grey matter working for me rather than against me. It's not sentence based, but is just a collection of little prompters based around stuff that I know I already know, but might forget in the chaos of the moment.
I wonder if other very well known guys like Ron Hood, Ray Mears and Les Stroud ever put out a list like this
Acronyms can be a useful aide memoir, but can you really rely on remembering them or what they stand for when the adrenaline is pumping, or you're tired, hungry, disoriented?
I wonder if other very well known guys like Ron Hood, Ray Mears and Les Stroud ever put out a list like this
I wonder if other very well known guys like Ron Hood, Ray Mears and Les Stroud ever put out a list like this
One of my favorites is Ron Hood's Survival Camping video, at the start he details his kit pretty thoroughly.
Some of the guys from Alone have vids on YT regarding the 10 items they took along.
Seems like many of them would've done better with 5 items and something to help their mental state. :pok:
I wonder if other very well known guys like Ron Hood, Ray Mears and Les Stroud ever put out a list like this
I did have a quick look on line to no avail. Cody's list is what is contained in his book 98.6 degrees.
I think the more well know and lesser known experienced adventurers/survivalists have more or less similar gear choices. Guys like Dave seem to keep it basic in terms of his 10 C's however the individual components are specific. He likes a certain style knife and prefers certain materials for clothes and such. Cody also has preferences to clothing or not :D ( shoes ) and knife type.
From what I've seen a good kit when traveling out doors is made up of certain items. The choices in these items is less important for example blade steel than the item itself, cutting tool. Important of all is getting out and using the gear in the kit not to mention actually having the gear on you.
I wondered if some of these kits were originally based off military survival kits. I'd imagine some kits were based off what was needed in certain situations these people have encountered.Well, I was intentionally provocative (anyone noticed that I didn't pack water :D)
@Ether I can go 2 hours from my home into the mountains and no signal. It possible to take a tumble and phone gets damaged and you get hurt. No walking out in this case, yes I understand the scenario is a what if however accidents happen.
People hike/explore all the time without gear and without incident no doubt. People also hike/explore and become lost as well, it happens. I agree with many of your points however there are those that do not intend on going beyond their capabilities and yet trouble happens. Accidents happen, becoming disoriented happens, weather changes, the unexpected occurs even for those who are prepared, it's part of life.
I've seen people walk stairs and injure themselves so it's possible especially when outdoors.
I'd like to also mention that these type kits are not limited to those hiking but yet kayaking, mountain biking, skiing, climbers etc would all benefit IMO with a simple well thought out kit.
You dont have to put the kitchen sink into a kit but a few items should a worse case scenario happen is never a bad idea.
We have the Alone thread. And apparently they were given some items outside of the 10 they chose
People hike/explore all the time without gear and without incident no doubt. People also hike/explore and become lost as well, it happens.A previous landlord of mine almost came 2nd hiking close to home (on the edge of town), fortunately walked to where he had reception again and phoned his wife to come pick him up.....wasn't nearly the first time he hiked in that area.
You're discussing the plot of the current season of Dual Survival :rofl:Staying put vs. Moving is a difficult decision
My only personal experience was in a group where it turned out we decided to stop too soon, fortunately not a matter of life or death, but still there were consequences....
Not many years ago a Dutch couple on self-drive tour ran out of petrol in a remote area, they stayed with the car and the husband didn't make it. They were in a farming area, and it turns out 3km from a farm dam fed by a windpump........same as what litter this whole country.
Unfortunately there are just as many stories about people that should've stayed put.
In Croatia the mandatory equipment for hiking is flip flops, alcohol and drugs :facepalm:
+1 to a smartphone along with a lipstick battery charger.
Quote+1 to a smartphone along with a lipstick battery charger.
You all make great arguments, and I can see the advantages, but I will never depend on or stake my safety on anything that runs off a battery. :)
And honestly, the only item from that category I'll miss is a headlamp.
I feel a trip is successful as soon as the cellular signal is gone......
Quote+1 to a smartphone along with a lipstick battery charger.
You all make great arguments, and I can see the advantages, but I will never depend on or stake my safety on anything that runs off a battery. :)
In Croatia the mandatory equipment for hiking is flip flops, alcohol and drugs :facepalm:They do that here, well not directly...
I really wish that the mountain rescue service would start charging people, maybe they would pack their brains too when they leave for vacation :whistle:
@Cell phone and backup battery
I recently saw this on DX
Battery pack that also is a cell phone (http://www.dx.com/p/xiaocai-x6-waterproof-gsm-bar-phone-w-1-77-screen-flashlight-mobile-charger-orange-299324#.VbuZQPnytaQ)
Rugged and with 5000mAh it can re-charge your phone 2-3 times.
But its also a phone in its own right.
I did not bother to read reviews as I have no intention to buy one (hardly use the cell-phone I have).@Cell phone and backup battery
I recently saw this on DX
Battery pack that also is a cell phone (http://www.dx.com/p/xiaocai-x6-waterproof-gsm-bar-phone-w-1-77-screen-flashlight-mobile-charger-orange-299324#.VbuZQPnytaQ)
Rugged and with 5000mAh it can re-charge your phone 2-3 times.
But its also a phone in its own right.
Reviews on it are terrible, though, if you combine those reviews with those on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Vktech-Waterproof-Dustproof-Shockproof-Cellphone/dp/B00KCB6E7U). Given the price, definitely probably a case of pay for what you get--which is not much in reliability :eek:
I think it would be better to get a waterproof case for one's smartphone and then a separate battery backup :)
In Croatia the mandatory equipment for hiking is flip flops, alcohol and drugs :facepalm:They do that here, well not directly...
I really wish that the mountain rescue service would start charging people, maybe they would pack their brains too when they leave for vacation :whistle:
Unless you are a member of the Swiss Air Rescue (REGA (http://www.rega.ch/en/about-us.aspx)), you have to pay for your rescue. Of course that is covered by your insurance, but if it was your fault (bad shoes, bad weather) the insurance will ask for the money back.
I recently got the Anker Astro E4 and while I'm not suggesting one carry this since there lighter/smaller units available so far I really like it. If I were to head out for a 2 day trip backpacking I wouldn't hesitate to bring it.
I recently got the Anker Astro E4 and while I'm not suggesting one carry this since there lighter/smaller units available so far I really like it. If I were to head out for a 2 day trip backpacking I wouldn't hesitate to bring it.
+1
I have the Anker E3, and it has been great. :cheers:
If someone doesn't have one, it would make sense to look at some of RavPower's offerings with LED lights built in. I had already gotten my battery packs before RavPower started offering these models. They have a lipstick sized battery pack that is also a flashlight: http://www.amazon.com/RAVPower-Portable-flashlight-Technology-more-Black/dp/B0084Y47SK/. Based on Amazon's weight specs, doesn't seem like adds appreciable weight. 3 oz for a light and battery backup is pretty darn good.