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Title: Style CS review
Post by: Gareth on January 09, 2011, 03:48:41 PM
Here I'm going to look at one of Leatherman's latest keyring tool options.  This is their third scissors based tool having been preceded by the Micra and the Squirt S4.  The S4 has now been retired but the Mirca is still alive and kicking.  The styling is very much taken from the Skeletool, Freestyle and MUT and is certainly eye catching and very modern looking.

(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/Style%20CS/StyleCS005.jpg)

(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/Style%20CS/StyleCS006.jpg)

The primary tool on the Style CS has to be the scissors.  Leatherman hasn't played about with the scissor design being only very slightly cosmetically different from the Micra.  This is a good thing in my opinion as they work very well and it's always best to leave good design alone.  Also the slightly longer and ergonomic shape of the Style CS makes it a touch more comfortable to use then the Micra, full marks here I think.

(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/Style%20CS/StyleCS010.jpg)

Next up is the blade.  This is very similar in size and shape to the blades found on the Micra and Juice tools and, like them, is chisel ground.  I find that it is perfectly capable of most day-to-day little cutting tasks and is comfortable enough in use.  Also the fact it is accessible from the outside means that it is convenient to get as well.  My only gripe, and it is a big one, is in the positioning of the nail-nick.  It's just too near the pivot to make it easy to open.  Also there is no real reason to have it there as far as I can tell, there is plenty of room nearer the tip of the blade where the vast majority of knife makers put it.

(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/Style%20CS/StyleCSandMP600011.jpg)

Moving on to the next tool and we have the carabiner.  This works as an excellent attachment point for the tool making it very quick and easy to clip to your keyring or whatever.  You can also see the the gate has a side bulge built in so as to make it very easy to open again.  The other use for this is as a bottle opener which I can attest to as working very well.  In the same picture we can see the tweezers and the little rectangular slot it slides into on the black plastic scale.  Now I have had no issue with getting the tweezers in and out of the slide, in fact it has a nice positive feel to it, but we've had more than a few people saying that they've found it to be hard to get too.  Something I do rather like is the angled tips witch can make grabbing a splinter just a touch easier.  Now I don't hate the tweezers found on the Micra but I have to concede that the ones on the Style are far better.

(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/Style%20CS/StyleCSandMP600012.jpg)

(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/Style%20CS/StyleCSandMP600013.jpg)

Last up we have the nail file/screwdriver.  Now as a nail file I don't have much issue with this tool, the long length I find nice, though because it's such a narrow strip of texture is can be a little to easy to slip off to the side.  As a screwdriver I'm less convinced I'm sorry to say.  Obviously it's not meant to be used as a high torque device but this thing really flexes in a most worrying way.  Frankly I've hardly undone any screws with this as I keep feeling that I'm going to twist or break the driver long before the screw has moved, perhaps I'm being to gentle but I don't think so.  And here is the huge advantage the Micra still holds over the Style CS, the number and quality of the screwdrivers.  The ones on the Micra are far more robust feeling and you get one flat Phillips and two sizes of flat drivers, altogether a much better package.

(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/Style%20CS/StyleCSandMP600017.jpg)

(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/Style%20CS/StyleCSandMP600016.jpg)

So in conclusion I do like the Style SC very much and think it lives up to it's name very well, though I'm less than convinced with the black plastic scale and perhaps something in aluminium would have been nicer.  However I'm not yet certain that Leatherman have come up with a viable replacement for the good old Micra.  Perhaps they know that themselves though, after-all they are still selling the Micra and long may it continue.

Pros:
Excellent and comfortable to use scissors
Convenient clip and excellent bottle opener
Outside opening blade.

Cons:
Poorly located nail-nick on blade
Lack of good screwdrivers
Plastic scale feels a little cheap
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: dks on January 09, 2011, 05:41:29 PM
Good review, makes me appreciate the Micra more.. discreet (nice and boxy, no fancy skeleton showing), robust, scratchproof (the s.steel ones), with the blade and everything else safely cocooned internally, easily and cheaply available second hand.
It is not the strongest multitool but, just like all key chain tools, it’s always there.
I wish they would change the tweezers though.
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: rlocock on January 09, 2011, 05:48:36 PM
Good review,thanks Gareth. I don't think I will be getting one of these.
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Smitty44 on January 09, 2011, 05:50:25 PM
Great review Gareth,I do like the quick release from a key ring,and the outside opening blade,a good match with the skeletool. :salute:
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Gareth on January 09, 2011, 05:56:37 PM
Thanks chaps.  I don't want to give the impression I don't like the Style CS, I really do.  It's just that if I was only going to pocket one MT it would be the Micra not the CS.*  As a companion to a larger MT that lacks scissors then there is absolutely nothing wrong with the CS whatsoever. :tu:



*Actually it would be the Squirt PS4 but that's a whole other review. :D
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: J-sews on January 09, 2011, 05:57:04 PM
Nice write-up and pics Gareth. :salute: Despite what the nay-sayers say, I'm quite pleased with the Style CS :) I only wish they would have left the hole in the blade for one-hand opening.
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Gareth on January 09, 2011, 05:58:49 PM
Nice write-up and pics Gareth. :salute: Despite what the nay-sayers say, I'm quite pleased with the Style CS :) I only wish they would have left the hole in the blade for one-hand opening.

You must be one of the few people here that got to play with the prototype blade, could it really be opened one-handed?
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: nuphoria on January 09, 2011, 06:34:29 PM
Good review, and I agree with it.

The Micra is fantastic so it's a hard nut to crack design-wise. However, the Style just has something else to offer aesthetically which is appealing to a lot of other folks.
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 09, 2011, 08:32:29 PM
Nice write-up and pics Gareth. :salute: Despite what the nay-sayers say, I'm quite pleased with the Style CS :) I only wish they would have left the hole in the blade for one-hand opening.

You must be one of the few people here that got to play with the prototype blade, could it really be opened one-handed?

Yes, but it took a lot of effort!

Def
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Dunc on January 10, 2011, 01:57:12 PM
Great review Gareth  :tu:  I wish mine would hurry up and arrive  :(

Dunc
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: MultiMat on January 10, 2011, 02:52:12 PM
Top review mate  :tu: :tu:

Me I am a confirmed Micra tweezers HATER  :D :D

(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll287/multimat426/Charter%20club/S6304776-1.jpg)
It is a cool update on the Micra I reckon , will it replace the Micra though  :think: :think:
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: sawman on January 10, 2011, 03:51:04 PM
I think Gareth was pretty accurate on his review but it's important to point out that the Style CS nail file is only as thin as it is to accomodate tweezers.  I think it suits a specific market, while the Micra will probably continue to be produced many more years.
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Gareth on January 10, 2011, 07:13:02 PM
I think Gareth was pretty accurate on his review but it's important to point out that the Style CS nail file is only as thin as it is to accomodate tweezers.  I think it suits a specific market, while the Micra will probably continue to be produced many more years.

Fair point, well made.  Plus I agree that there is a good chance the CS isn't really intended to replace the Micra, as I hinted at they'd tried that with the S4 and the Micra came out on top.  The main reason I made the comparison between the two tools is that they represent two options that a new buyer would very likely be looking at.
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: AHB on January 10, 2011, 07:17:00 PM
Good write-up Gareth.  :tu:
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on January 10, 2011, 10:00:45 PM
Cracking review there mate :tu:
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Gareth on January 10, 2011, 11:37:17 PM
Cheers chaps. :cheers:
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: _AJ on January 13, 2011, 08:45:37 PM
Really nice review and pics! I was looking at that one before I bought a squirt PS4. If this thing had pliers instead of scissors, it would be mine now :).
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Gareth on January 13, 2011, 09:00:07 PM
Glad you liked it AJ. :tu:  I've got a PS4 as well and I have to say I think it's a far better 'all-round' tool than the CS, in fact it does the vast majority of what I want in a multitool, though not totally fault free IMO.  My full thoughts are here in fact:  http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,24113.0.html (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,24113.0.html)
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: _AJ on January 13, 2011, 09:09:23 PM
Glad you liked it AJ. :tu:  I've got a PS4 as well and I have to say I think it's a far better 'all-round' tool than the CS, in fact it does the vast majority of what I want in a multitool, though not totally fault free IMO.  My full thoughts are here in fact:  http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,24113.0.html (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,24113.0.html)

Cool, didn't catch that one. Pretty much my thoughts.
One weird thing about the pliers is the force with which they slam open. If your fingers are in the wrong place, it get's you. Incredible tension.
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Dunc on January 15, 2011, 11:41:32 AM
Gareth I'm really liking my new Style CS and the outside opening blade is very welcome from the fiddly micra one .
  The only thing I don't like so far is the spring clip on the carabiner is not as good as i would have liked . Theres lots of sideways play in it and i don't think it would take much to break .


Dunc
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Neil on January 15, 2011, 12:07:59 PM
Missed this earlier, sorry Gareth  :-[

As usual an informed review  :salute:

I'm glad you brought the carabiner up Dunc.  I really like that feature on the Skeletool but found it too fiddly on the CS.  Purely a reduction in size thing but it did disappoint me.
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Gareth on January 15, 2011, 12:13:36 PM
Fair play chaps, I know where you are coming from.  I think, given the size, I'm not too worried about it and I don't think it'll break to easily.  Of course exactly how good it is could be different from unit to unit but I'm going to go and have another play with mine, just to see. :)
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Dunc on January 15, 2011, 12:16:43 PM
It has replaced my Micra in the little watch pocket in my jeans .
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Craig on January 16, 2011, 05:36:42 PM
Nice review, Gareth :tu: I'm now seriously thinking of getting one of these.
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Desmodromic on January 24, 2011, 09:54:09 PM
Got my Style CS last week. Ordered it in the US (about 50% cheaper then here in Holland) On the different reviews it looked a little bigger, but I wasn't dissapointed about the size, the quality and feel makes up a lot. That said I have a MUT on the way too for the bigger jobs. After owning a few Gerbers I'm pleased with the quality of Leatherman.

I just found this forum last week, great place with lots of info and advice!
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: AHB on January 24, 2011, 09:55:32 PM
Good to have you here Desmodromic..  :tu:
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Mr. Whippy on January 24, 2011, 11:09:56 PM
Hey Desmodromic,

Do you ride a Ducati by any chance?   ;)

Pictures always welcome.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: scrappy on January 25, 2011, 03:22:46 PM
Got my Style CS last week. Ordered it in the US (about 50% cheaper then here in Holland) On the different reviews it looked a little bigger, but I wasn't disappointed about the size, the quality and feel makes up a lot. That said I have a MUT on the way too for the bigger jobs. After owning a few Gerbers I'm pleased with the quality of Leatherman.

I just found this forum last week, great place with lots of info and advice!
Welcome to the forum. May I recommend the surge? I like the feel and length of the handles on it much more than the mut

Gareth
Great review. I think this is an amazing tool
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Desmodromic on January 25, 2011, 08:41:23 PM
Hey Desmodromic,

Do you ride a Ducati by any chance?   ;)

Pictures always welcome.  :cheers:

No more guessing mr. Whippy  :D I own and race a Ducati 999s in a Ducati dealer cup in holland. We go to some amazing tracks her in Europe, incl. Spa, Monza, Mugello and Brno and Assen of course, our home circuit.

Could post some pics, but dunno how, will look into the FAQ section
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Desmodromic on January 25, 2011, 08:45:11 PM
Got my Style CS last week. Ordered it in the US (about 50% cheaper then here in Holland) On the different reviews it looked a little bigger, but I wasn't disappointed about the size, the quality and feel makes up a lot. That said I have a MUT on the way too for the bigger jobs. After owning a few Gerbers I'm pleased with the quality of Leatherman.

I just found this forum last week, great place with lots of info and advice!
Welcome to the forum. May I recommend the surge? I like the feel and length of the handles on it much more than the mut

Gareth
Great review. I think this is an amazing tool

Thx for thinking along Scrappy, but I have a MUT in the post from the USA, hope to have it before the weekend (if customs don't delay it) I'm looking for something for EDC though.....was thinking of a skeletool CX, but will look into the Surge too!
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Top-Gear-24 on January 25, 2011, 08:54:29 PM
Hey Desmodromic,

Do you ride a Ducati by any chance?   ;)

Pictures always welcome.  :cheers:

No more guessing mr. Whippy  :D I own and race a Ducati 999s in a Ducati dealer cup in holland. We go to some amazing tracks her in Europe, incl. Spa, Monza, Mugello and Brno and Assen of course, our home circuit.

Could post some pics, but dunno how, will look into the FAQ section
Ah, Spa ... My second home  :D (as part of the public, I'm not active in racing myself  :().

When do you guys race there, I would love to see that.  I'm a frequent visitor from the Belgian GP F1, and the FIA GT 24h from Spa, But I only once saw a motorcycle race, and that was the Superbike race in Assen, a long time ago (the year Neil Hodgson became world champion).

Great Hobby man, and great bike  :drool:.

Greetings,

Top-Gear-24
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Mr. Whippy on January 25, 2011, 09:01:17 PM
Hey Desmodromic,

Do you ride a Ducati by any chance?   ;)

Pictures always welcome.  :cheers:

No more guessing mr. Whippy  :D I own and race a Ducati 999s in a Ducati dealer cup in holland. We go to some amazing tracks her in Europe, incl. Spa, Monza, Mugello and Brno and Assen of course, our home circuit.

Could post some pics, but dunno how, will look into the FAQ section

I am simultaneously in awe and quite envious.  :o  :drool:

That's just awesome.

I have a 996 and a Mulitistrada (1000DS type).   However, true speediness eludes me  :-\. Currently replacing the valve guides on the Multi. (and btw, I use a Leatherman Charge ALX in the wrenching phases).

You can attach pictures by clicking the  "Attachments and other options" at the lower left of the text box.

Once you have 25 (I think ) posts, you can also directly link to offsite sources like photobucker and flicker.
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Desmodromic on January 25, 2011, 10:45:59 PM
Dunno if this is allowed here (because it's off topic) but will post one.

Before it didn't seem to work


Edit: Did work this time. As you can see a lot of mods heb been done. Biggest one is the suspension. Standard is Ohlins but I have some big piston WP forks in them (56mm diameter!) They come from a real SBK (Honda Ten Kate) and have a custom made magnesium T-piece and crown plate. Lot's more, but i'm afraid I will get kicked in my first week because of topic polution.....

Sorry mod!
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Mr. Whippy on January 25, 2011, 11:01:01 PM
Dunno if this is allowed here (because it's off topic) but will post one.

Before it didn't seem to work


Edit: Did work this time. As you can see a lot of mods heb been done. Biggest one is the suspension. Standard is Ohlins but I have some big piston WP forks in them (56mm diameter!) They come from a real SBK (Honda Ten Kate) and have a custom made magnesium T-piece and crown plate. Lot's more, but i'm afraid I will get kicked in my first week because of topic polution.....

Sorry mod!

Thread derailment is a time honored part of MT.O  :D

Also, awesome motorcycle pics are always welcome.  :drool:
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Stirling3749 on January 26, 2011, 04:24:11 AM
Great review!
I bought one for my brother's birthday but took it back to the store after examining it a bit.
I noticed the poorly placed nail nick as you mentioned and also the hinge on the carabiner had some wiggle and play to it that bothered me.
Never tried the screwdriver out but I can certainly see what you mean there.
Oh yeah and I'm one of those folks who had problems getting the tweezers out.

All in all it's my favorite of the skeletool family but I'm more of a Swiss army Knife kind of guy and the shortcoming of this tool made me not want to give it to my brother who's almost as picky as I am. lol
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 26, 2011, 05:13:02 AM
Great review!
I bought one for my brother's birthday but took it back to the store after examining it a bit.

I thought you were still talking Ducatis- I was going to ask if your parents were interested in adopting, as I wouldn't be nearly as picky as your brother if the bike wasn't perfect! 

Def
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Desmodromic on January 26, 2011, 07:11:57 PM
Great review!
I bought one for my brother's birthday but took it back to the store after examining it a bit.

I thought you were still talking Ducatis- I was going to ask if your parents were interested in adopting, as I wouldn't be nearly as picky as your brother if the bike wasn't perfect! 

Def

 :rofl: Ducati's don't break down, they only get sick.....Mine is healthy now and hope will be the comming season
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: New_World on February 01, 2011, 10:45:05 AM
I own the micra and squirt. I like the squrit s4 the best due to outside access of the tools, but I have to admit, I love the micra too.

very nice review.
I like how you compared it to the micra.
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2011, 07:22:40 PM
Not having and S4 I couldn't compare it to that but, more importantly perhaps, the person reading the review might well be picking from LM's two current scissor based tools so the direct comparison seemed the way to go. :)
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Craig on February 09, 2011, 11:09:17 PM
I see this review has made the main page  :)

Congratulations Gareth :salute:
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Gareth on February 10, 2011, 07:38:35 PM
Thanks very much Craig. :cheers:
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Woz on February 10, 2011, 09:00:12 PM
Today I lost my loved Style CS. I had it on my keys and it seems the carabiner is not as strong as I hoped. Anyways, it is gone, and quite expensive here, so I guess I will get another one on my next US order.
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: New_World on February 10, 2011, 09:24:10 PM
Today I lost my loved Style CS. I had it on my keys and it seems the carabiner is not as strong as I hoped. Anyways, it is gone, and quite expensive here, so I guess I will get another one on my next US order.
bummer.
I always though that could happen b/c of the carabiner being somewhat easy to push.
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: sawman on February 11, 2011, 05:45:12 AM
There was a time my Style CS fell to the ground while taking my keys out of my pocket because the carabiner had somehow detached from the keyring  ???
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Gareth on February 11, 2011, 07:16:19 PM
I've been carrying mine on my keys for the last week now and not had a problem yet, though the fact you chaps have been having an issue is a bit concerning. :-\
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: sawman on February 12, 2011, 10:32:19 AM
I've been carrying mine on my keys for the last week now and not had a problem yet, though the fact you chaps have been having an issue is a bit concerning. :-\
Does anyone know why the carabiner clip has the triangular opening on it because I think that is what's catching on keychains causing it to open  :-\
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Gareth on February 12, 2011, 10:48:49 AM
I've been carrying mine on my keys for the last week now and not had a problem yet, though the fact you chaps have been having an issue is a bit concerning. :-\
Does anyone know why the carabiner clip has the triangular opening on it because I think that is what's catching on keychains causing it to open  :-\

You mean the bulge in the gate? 
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/Style%20CS/StyleCSandMP600012.jpg)
My assumption is that it's there to make it easier to open with your thumb.
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Heinz Doofenshmirtz on March 09, 2011, 05:52:48 PM
Hi all,

Gareth, thanks for the great review.  I just got one of these a couple of days ago and so far my biggest issue with it is figuring out where to carry it, because I don't normally carry keys in my pockets.  I'm an avid cyclist, and even the baggy mountain style bike shorts I prefer don't usually have much to offer in the way of pockets.  Regardless, it was because of your review that I decided to get one of these.

I had a PS4 for a little while, but wasn't thrilled with the scissors or the bottle opener; both were too small to use easily, it always took some fussing on my part to get the bottle opener to work well on the first try (that is, to get it to catch and pull up a good part of the edge of the cap).  And after being mindful of my usage habits, I found I really didn't use the pliers all that much either and that I ended up using the knife and the scissors most.  So, the Style CS made more sense for me than the PS4.  I also looked at the Micra, but the fixed tweezers just didn't cut it for me, not that I use them all that much anyway.

Anyway, thanks again for the great review.  I'm very happy with my Style CS so far.  :)
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Gareth on March 09, 2011, 06:36:03 PM
Very glad you enjoyed it Heinz. :cheers:  I know I'm certainly still liking my CS. :)
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: N_N_R on April 02, 2012, 04:09:01 PM
Hey, everyone :)

I've had the Style CS for a couple of months now (a gift by a friend) and I'd also like to share my thoughts on it. First of all, I've just got into multi tools and I'm not an expert, nor am I trying to convince anyone in anything.

I've been quite torn apart between the "do-I-like-it-or-not" options. What I dislike is purely related to the design- I do not drink anything that can be opened with the type of a bottle opener the CS offers, therefore it's just unnecessary length/space/bulk/weight for me. Althought the carabiner is sometimes useful, I don't like its general "flimsiness". I prefer carrying my multi tool in my pocket/wallet. In other words, the entire bottle opener/carabiner thing is useless and unnecessary for me.

I also dislike the plastic black part on the tool just for being... plastic. It makes it look and feel rather cheap.

The tweezers are REALLY difficult to take out for me. I keep my nails short and I have never ever been able to take the tweezers out without the help of another tool/sth sharp & pointed.

The two tiny holes on the blade that are meant as a design pattern can often get full of dirt and if you cut sth with the blade, the holes tend to get full of the "material".

That being said, let's move to something more positive: I adore the blade itself. It's really really sharp. It's good that it's also available from the outside.

The scissors are also very good.

The tweezers, functionally, are AWESOME- when I manage to take them out, lol, they're outstanding. They can catch even barely visible hairs/fuzzes.

I've rarely used the screwdriver and almost never use files, but I think they work just fine.

So, my general thoughts are that... I'd gladly exchange my Style CS for another tool of about the same size if I had the chance to. I'm actually buying one used, but very very very good looking Micra from Ebay... it at least doesn't have the additional length in the carabiner/bottle opener and the holes on the knife, which will keep it kind of.. cleaner. I'm not sure the tweezers will be so good, but oh well.

Thanks for reading :)
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: Gareth on April 02, 2012, 06:55:25 PM
Excellent first post N_N_R, welcome to the forum. :cheers:  I've carried and used the Style CS quite a bit since first writing my original review but my opinion has changed very little.  It's a perfectly good tool, but not flawless.  As you say though, the main two functions; scissors and blade, are both very good. :)
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: sawman on April 02, 2012, 08:09:34 PM
Thanks for your review and first post.  Although I like the Style CS, I find it a little redundant to the Vic Classic SD, which occupies less space while offering basically the same tools.  Every little thing I add to my gear results in weight in my pockets and it is for this reason I gave up on the CS quite a while ago.

Welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: Style CS review
Post by: N_N_R on April 02, 2012, 09:03:53 PM
Thanks, Gareth : )

Thanks, sawman : )

Yeah, I also prefer my items as small as possible & therefore as functional as possible. That's why I sometimes want to be able to just remove the whole carabiner part of the CS, lol.

I think I'm falling in love with the forum & multi tools... not good for my budget, lol.