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Tool Talk => Edged Tools => Topic started by: Gerhard Gerber on October 23, 2017, 10:38:43 AM
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Some of you may know that I've been itching to buy a Spyderco Atlantic Salt.
Technically I've wanted it since the first time I've held it in my hand, but price is the issue. I would be getting it cheap (old stock with discount), but it's still a lot of money.
Since I made many ill-informed knife purchases and circumstances have changed considerably leaving me with a few regrets, I've held back on this purchase and questioned my motivations.....
I'm looking for my ultimate EDC knife, I'm a creature of habit so despite having options, the Byrd Meadowlark 2 has become a default.
I want something more than the Byrd, despite the fact that it's been perfect so far.
I have 2 non-negotiables: Price - I'm not going to put down a number since my currency is worth nothing and I have a single source to buy from. Lock - Must be lock-back or axis-lock.
Also have to mention I carry in pocket, not clipped.
Here are some of the models that I like and have been looking at:
Atlantic Salt
Pacific Salt
Salt 1
Delica
Endura
Manix
Native 5
Stretch
After locking mechanism I focused very heavily on ergonomics since that's what made me fall in love with the Atlantic Salt. The lack of the finger choil area eliminates all except the Atlantic, Manix and Native.
BUT......
I realised recently that I almost never cut using the hammer grip, all those wonderful ergos go out the window when I'm holding the knife clinched in four finger cutting an apple....cutting towards my thumb, yes, that's how I do it every day.......
Next issue would be the fact that I much prefer a narrower knife, much as the Manic is one of my favourite Spyderco knives, that broad leaf shape blade makes for a bulky knife in the pocket.
A preference I'm flexible on is the handle, I would prefer a linerless plastic handle.
Size.........I think the Atlantic is a bit too long.........same might be true for the Endura.
This brings me full circle back to a Delica, Pacific or Salt 1.
Considering the performance of the 8cr13 I don't really need anything better, the H1 is attractive because it's something different, VG10 will be a nice upgrade and more than sufficient.
I do have a gripe about the Delica's price, can't help but feel there should be a bigger jump to the Endura...
I'm not asking for advice, I'm a knife nut with no hope left, spiraling down to my next purchase like an addict to the next fix, I only ask for your empowering statements, and as always you are most welcome to point out failings in logic and suggest alternatives :cheers:
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As i'm in the UK most of the Spydercos I have or have had have been slipies, which is not much help to you.
However, I really do like the look and feel of the Native 5 and have often thought of getting the cheaper lightweight version and then maybe getting some custom scales made for it at a later date.
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I feel for you Brits........
Two more that are most likely missing from my list due to price: Sage 3 & 4
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Damn it i really want a Native now - I've just been googling custom ones - see what you've done!!!!!
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My personal hell is having a friend who's an agent at a company that distributes Spyderco.....
He visits a few times a year, at the same event taking place next weekend, last year, he had 3 high-end Spydercos clipped in each pocket, by the time I was done fondling about 6 months worth of salary I could barely talk....... :ahhh
I plan to have several beers and a long talk with him next weekend, whatever I buy will be supplied by his company anyway.
From my list the only ones I've had in hand are the Atlantic, an Endura and the Manix LW with the see-through blue handle.
Not really the right way to buy a knife...
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you know my recommendation...
3 years and it still kicks out every other folder as my main EDC
(https://i.imgur.com/DZlfPBd.jpg)
AWESOME steel, excellent ergis and lock, blade shape and ultra light weight, thin and very nice clipped or without clip, takes a beating, can't rust, won't chip under abuse, minimal maintenance... :tu:
I own 4 of them, it's the only knife I've got so many versions of
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If the price is an issue, wich it seems, the Delica is hard to beat. Its excellent value for money.
That beeing said, I do prefer my Native over my Delica.
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I've got 2 Delcas and 1 Native. I find the Delica to be more to my liking. I made a comment wanting the Delica to include better steel options ( I know sprint runs exits ) but the VG10 sharpens up nicely and has performed excellent for me. Good luck with your choice.
If money was no object I'd like to try both the Spyderco Slysz Bowie and SpydieChef.
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you know my recommendation...
3 years and it still kicks out every other folder as my main EDC
Since I had my ergos epiphany the Pacific is definitely on the list, recommendation noted :salute:
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you know my recommendation...
3 years and it still kicks out every other folder as my main EDC
Since I had my ergos epiphany the Pacific is definitely on the list, recommendation noted :salute:
you might guess from my Spydie collection pic that the Salts (the Pacific especially) are my favorite Spydies... :D
(https://i.imgur.com/oWIiK5b.jpg)
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you might guess from my Spydie collection pic that the Salts (the Pacific especially) are my favorite Spydies... :D
...and serrations!!!
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Well......turns out the answer surprised me slightly....
I went to the event yesterday fully expecting to buy the Atlantic, and there on the little display sits the Salt 1.....
Consider what I said about the Byrd I've been EDC'ing.......and let the pictures do the talking: :salute:
(https://s1.postimg.org/3nd04h5m1r/20171028_163816_1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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(https://s1.postimg.org/8vl25mvorj/20171028_163847_1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s1.postimg.org/1vwsnqyjrj/20171028_163915_1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s1.postimg.org/77ogmmizhr/20171028_163946_1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s1.postimg.org/8ouloduu0f/20171028_164125_1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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I got it at cost, and yes I know the Salt 2 is out.
I went to a BBQ last night, ended up cutting the taster fillet steak and connected with the fork.......which messed up that piece of edge at the tip a bit.
Easy to fix, and the H1 was immediately sharp again.....
Very light knife = the right knife, very happy with my decision and purchase.
One criticism only......no idea why but it sounds dinky when putting the knife down.......like it's not properly put together....which is absolutely not the case.....
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Ohhh...well done - lovely knife... looks like you're one happy bunny now!!!
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Nice! :like:
Congrats on your new Spydie! :cheers:
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Nice! :like:
Congrats on your new Spydie! :cheers:
Thanks :cheers: ....you started this :pok:
:gimme:
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Glad to see you got a knife that you will enjoy GG :salute: :like: :like: It seems you have found the style you like and that will definitely be a plus with carrying it :cheers:
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:like:
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Funny thing, I was cleaning and lubing the Byrd when I realised there was rust in the pivot area......
I rinse the knife every day and since it cuts my apple I don't lube it.........size is perfect, H1 is perfect.
Even figured out the "dinky" sound comes from the Titanium pocket clip :rofl:
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Nice! :like:
Congrats on your new Spydie! :cheers:
Thanks :cheers: ....you started this :pok:
:gimme:
A fine bunch of enabelers we are :D
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Gerhard glad your happy with the Salt I. :tu: :like: I have one that I had Tom Krein regrind. It now has a full flat grind and a sharper point. It is a real slicer.
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Byrds and Salts, my favorite Spydercos.
Salt I is nice, especially for blade-length restricted areas and indoors use. I am partial to a longer blade (Pacific Salt) but my Salt I gets some carry when I'm in the city or urban environments, it just looks friendlier. Much like the DF2
(https://i.imgur.com/wpvF9Rx.jpg)
H1 is absolutely fantastic for its rust-proof characteristics and how easy it is to unbend (if you roll it), reshape (if you break it) and resharpen (if you dull it). It's super tough and flexible, thing I appreciate on a folder that can be abused on occasion. The colour is very easy to spot on and quite non-aggressive looking
(https://i.imgur.com/lOCVsGZ.jpg)
I've also put them through the dishwasher and no problems at all. It's also incredible the light weight and slimness they have for the blade length and sturdiness they provide. I'm glad you got it and i'm sure you'll enjoy it for years! :salute:
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Gerhard glad your happy with the Salt I. :tu: :like: I have one that I had Tom Krein regrind. It now has a full flat grind and a sharper point. It is a real slicer.
Hi David
We were discussing how useless hollow grinds are while I was buying the knife! :rofl:
Love the knife already, already wish it was FFG :facepalm:
Was yours PE or SE before the re-grind?
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Gerhard glad your happy with the Salt I. :tu: :like: I have one that I had Tom Krein regrind. It now has a full flat grind and a sharper point. It is a real slicer.
Hi David
We were discussing how useless hollow grinds are while I was buying the knife! :rofl:
Love the knife already, already wish it was FFG :facepalm:
Was yours PE or SE before the re-grind?
hopefully LC200N steel will open a world of FFG rust proof folders made by Spyderco in the next years, the Caribbean being the first one :salute:
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hopefully LC200N steel will open a world of FFG rust proof folders made by Spyderco in the next years, the Caribbean being the first one :salute:
Well thank you for putting that on my radar......I think :facepalm:
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hopefully LC200N steel will open a world of FFG rust proof folders made by Spyderco in the next years, the Caribbean being the first one :salute:
Well thank you for putting that on my radar......I think :facepalm:
LC200N beats H1 in edge retention in Plain Edge by a mile, so seems a promising choice for PE knives in a totally rust proof format :tu:
after this thread I went straight to get my Salt I and carry it, just because I love rotating between my toys. My two favorite 3" folders, of all brands, most probably are these two Salts
(https://i.imgur.com/hpo3GJA.jpg)
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The Tasman suddenly makes sense :tu:
My buddy had a purple FFG Endura with his Kydex "rhino horn" wave opener fitted to the hole.......and now I have Endura dreams :facepalm:
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did you use it to carve your Pumpkin? :cheers:
(https://i.imgur.com/1D6WunL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dEhRQnz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/64XOAMJ.jpg)
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(https://s1.postimg.org/8vl25mvorj/20171028_163847_1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s1.postimg.org/1vwsnqyjrj/20171028_163915_1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s1.postimg.org/77ogmmizhr/20171028_163946_1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s1.postimg.org/8ouloduu0f/20171028_164125_1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Good looking Salt I. How you like the serrations?
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Gerhard glad your happy with the Salt I. :tu: :like: I have one that I had Tom Krein regrind. It now has a full flat grind and a sharper point. It is a real slicer.
Hi David
We were discussing how useless hollow grinds are while I was buying the knife! :rofl:
Love the knife already, already wish it was FFG :facepalm:
Was yours PE or SE before the re-grind?
Sorry for the late reply. The Salt I I had reground was PE to start with. Here's a couple pics of how it looks now.
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Thanks David......looks great. :tu:
Figured you started with a PE, been ogling mine and you'd loose a lot of blade when you start grinding on a SE......
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My thoughts so far.......
As mentioned ad nauseam I hate hollow grinds, that's where you end up with something scary sharp but you can't properly cut an apple :facepalm:
Glad to report the H1 cuts my apple rather than splitting it, I guess the blade stock is think enough.
H1.............I already love H1 in a very unbrotherly way! >:D
Size is perfect, and the weight! :ahhh
To be honest I always thought brother Nutn was a bit FOS about weight, but I get what he's saying perfectly.
I have no concerns about strength, personally I don't understand why most knives aren't built this way.
Also saw a video explaining the washer-less setup in the KABAR Dozier that further strengthens the argument.
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Well this happened because of this thread :facepalm: My Endura now has a friend :D
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4533/26541755559_3b91f41688_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Grprea)1110171328 (https://flic.kr/p/Grprea) by Poncho 65 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/148903443@N02/), on Flickr
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Nice Poncho ! :like: :tu:
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Nice Poncho ! :like: :tu:
Thanks Steve :tu: :like:
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Well this happened because of this thread :facepalm: My Endura now has a friend :D
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4533/26541755559_3b91f41688_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Grprea)1110171328 (https://flic.kr/p/Grprea) by Poncho 65 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/148903443@N02/), on Flickr
:cheers:
The Salt 1 convinced me I need more.....more lightness, more super steels! :rofl:
This is by necessity a very distant purchase, but since I might need to reserve the one option I've been toooooo'ing and frooooooooo'ing and watching many many more Youtube videos than is healthy, and I came to the following conclusions:
Pacific Salt with PE will be next....... :gimme:
Until I spotted the rivet :facepalm:
I love the LW Manix 2, but I struggle with the concept of riveted construction..... :think:
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No different than a pin to me :shrug: There are many knives bulit with pins and all the ones I have had and do have are still in great shape in that aspect :tu: So I wouldn't worry to much about a rivet ;) :cheers:
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I know......but I'm a control freak......normal screw pivot = control! :rofl:
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I might have a problem :facepalm:
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(https://assets.brandfolder.com/ood71j-c0xua0-rjghj/view@2x.png)
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March 2018 it will be mine :facepalm:
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Manix 2 Backlock...like it, but much prefer the M2 Lightweight and all Manix with FRCP handles, waaay lighter and very good reminders of the Salt's low weight
the CTS-BD1 of them is also good at corrosion resistance and a breeze to sharpen, actually quite similar to H1.
But can't go wrong with any Spydie!! :tu:
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But can't go wrong with any Spydie!! :tu:
Things is I had....and still have a few choices.......4 crushing months till I get it. :facepalm:
Southard flipper, the brown G10, used but good as new. No to the bearings and frame lock
Stretch 2 LW British Racing Green with ZDP 189. This is the one that bothers me most.....
Caly 3 with beautiful green G10 and HAP40. If it was a 3.5 this would be the one......
Manix 2 in blue with S110V......it has steel liners :facepalm:
After elimination round I basically choose from these:
Manix backlock S30V
Stretch 2 LW BRG ZDP189
.....and the stick in the spokes that remains:
SpydieChef :facepalm:
I don't like frame locks, but considering why I want to buy another one and my parameters, the SpydieChef really bothers me......
Now to the Manix :salute:
I like back locks, and this one is smooth.
S30V is probably in the lower racks of the super steels, but still nothing to be sneezed at.....
The thick G10 looks really good to me, and they're liner less so that's a great start.
Upsized hardware but still a middleweight knife.
Very very Spyderco.......much more so than the SpydieChef, which is always a good thing :salute:
I liked the Salt 1 so much I basically decided I need something larger, colourful light weight handle and a super steel.
Well aware I'm missing my own brief on a few points, but when I see the youtubers handling that backlock Manix it just looks more right than anything else to my eye :salute:
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You are a bad influence on me :ahhh :D I always end up looking at the knives you mention :facepalm:
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this one is still the perfect one for me, and I'll keep recommending it!
Especially now that they're changing its handles from the E3 template to the E4 design :ahhh
(https://i.imgur.com/kushZOk.jpg)
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You are a bad influence on me :ahhh :D I always end up looking at the knives you mention :facepalm:
Well, with permission......don't listen to me :salute:
We had a public holiday on Monday, so I went to the farm with my cousin..... :cheers:
We took the scenic route there and back, nothing specific planned so the weekend consisted of long drives through the camps, making food and drinking beer. A little light arson and wasp hive removal also featured :drink: :facepalm:
Salt 1 works a treat for getting the skin off a Prickly Pear fruit, we had a feast.....and then it was gone...... :ahhh
My other mission was looking for woods to use for knife handles, so the Finnwolf was better suited to the task, I clipped the Salt on the inside of the front part of my day pack........mostly because my cousin was constantly making paranoid remarks about burglars while we're out in the veld......an unfortunate possibility. >:(
Somewhere during the drive I wanted to get the big Opinel saw riding in the same pocket, and noticed the Salt was gone......... :facepalm:
Now my memory is shot, but I would argue I never had any, but I do understand maths and I go through life without memory by doing things in a certain way.....the spectacles/testicles/wallet&watch check is a part of my life......
After much search, some of it in the same sand with a rake, I gave up and called it quits. From back-tracking I figured there's only two possibilities, it was in my car, or in a 3m stretch of soft sand. Since we didn't find it, we assumed it had been picked up.....
To make a long story short(er), my cousin found it in my car. :facepalm: The flap over the front pocket of the daypack wasn't closed, while putting it in the back the clip caught on the webbing on the side of my seat covers and stayed right there.......
We looked everywhere but there, gravity you know, I was very relieved, but I also had very serious 2nd thoughts right there......
My motto in life seems to be "I can't have nice things"........now I feel like "not more than one nice things at a time" :facepalm:
A knife not lost is a knife gained I guess :drink:
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You are a bad influence on me :ahhh :D I always end up looking at the knives you mention :facepalm:
Well, with permission......don't listen to me :salute:
We had a public holiday on Monday, so I went to the farm with my cousin..... :cheers:
We took the scenic route there and back, nothing specific planned so the weekend consisted of long drives through the camps, making food and drinking beer. A little light arson and wasp hive removal also featured :drink: :facepalm:
Salt 1 works a treat for getting the skin off a Prickly Pear fruit, we had a feast.....and then it was gone...... :ahhh
My other mission was looking for woods to use for knife handles, so the Finnwolf was better suited to the task, I clipped the Salt on the inside of the front part of my day pack........mostly because my cousin was constantly making paranoid remarks about burglars while we're out in the veld......an unfortunate possibility. >:(
Somewhere during the drive I wanted to get the big Opinel saw riding in the same pocket, and noticed the Salt was gone......... :facepalm:
Now my memory is shot, but I would argue I never had any, but I do understand maths and I go through life without memory by doing things in a certain way.....the spectacles/testicles/wallet&watch check is a part of my life......
After much search, some of it in the same sand with a rake, I gave up and called it quits. From back-tracking I figured there's only two possibilities, it was in my car, or in a 3m stretch of soft sand. Since we didn't find it, we assumed it had been picked up.....
To make a long story short(er), my cousin found it in my car. :facepalm: The flap over the front pocket of the daypack wasn't closed, while putting it in the back the clip caught on the webbing on the side of my seat covers and stayed right there.......
We looked everywhere but there, gravity you know, I was very relieved, but I also had very serious 2nd thoughts right there......
My motto in life seems to be "I can't have nice things"........now I feel like "not more than one nice things at a time" :facepalm:
A knife not lost is a knife gained I guess :drink:
lucky find ;)
I've lost many knifes along the way, only one because of its clip that I can recall,
clipping knives strategically and getting used to pocket clips is a long way and sometimes hard lessons are learned through that journey :P
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Glad you found it
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clipping knives strategically and getting used to pocket clips is a long way and sometimes hard lessons are learned through that journey :P
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And that's the crux of the matter, I would like a really nice Spyderco, but I can no longer stomach the idea of unused knives......I have too many!
Thus my intention was not to buy a safe queen, but a step into the realm of High End Carry (thank you Nutn :cheers:)
Loosing the Salt is one thing, loosing a knife double the price is another.
I know for sure I would never HEC on the farm or anywhere else I'm likely to loose a knife.......but you never know.
Fortunately, perhaps, this has has forced me to reconsider what if anything I buy.
If anything, something cheaper.
:imws: Problem being the Salt 1 is great and my justification just went out the window.....
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So very glad you found it GG :ahhh :like: :like:
I have lost a few things over the years as well :facepalm: I don't lose much but when I do it is usually lost really good and never to be found :D
If we carry nice things then it is bound to happen sooner or later though :salute:
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Shouldn't have walked into that shop, shouldn't have asked them to take out those knives :facepalm:
The Kershaw Skyline was cheap.......always wanted it.
Kershaw Knockout........always wanted it, not cheap, but also on the shelve for a very good price :gimme:
Spyderco Pacific.......need that in my life, just have to make peace with getting SE version rather than the PW I wanted.
CS Broken Skull....the Blue one......with XHP........need that in my life!
Spyderco Endura with BRG handle and ZDP blade........need that in my life!
I have the Skyline and the Salt 1, I can just imagine my drawer full of those colourful beauties, know I shouldn't buy the others, know I will regret it, maybe in the near future, but right now I'm in need of some retail therapy to feel better about life...... :facepalm:
They're all roughly the same price, can probably afford one a month if I cut my own throat (financially)
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In the past, I was never really attracted to Spyderco knives.
That has changed. I recently had an opportunity to handle the Atlantic Salt and am left with a little bit of pining.
Price is a barrier, so I thought about one of the Rescues, but they are not H1, and I like H1 since I'm near the coast and enjoy kayaking and swimming.
So I'm saving $ and /or trying to decide if a smaller Salt is for me. Or none. We will see. I still don't care much for the look of most Spydercos...but that Atlantic was a real kickass knife
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Well this happened because of this thread :facepalm: My Endura now has a friend :D
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4533/26541755559_3b91f41688_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Grprea)1110171328 (https://flic.kr/p/Grprea) by Poncho 65 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/148903443@N02/), on Flickr
:cheers:
The Salt 1 convinced me I need more.....more lightness, more super steels! :rofl:
This is by necessity a very distant purchase, but since I might need to reserve the one option I've been toooooo'ing and frooooooooo'ing and watching many many more Youtube videos than is healthy, and I came to the following conclusions:
Pacific Salt with PE will be next....... :gimme:
Until I spotted the rivet :facepalm:
I love the LW Manix 2, but I struggle with the concept of riveted construction..... :think:
I love me some H1 just as much as the next guy and when I got into them I had a issue with my first riveted purchase but the Beaty of the Salt line is it doesn’t need to be taken apart. Every riveted Salt I have ever owned has always kept its perfect blade tension and never loosened up on me. Cleaning without taking it apart is also not a issue. One more thing. Do you own a SAK? Have you ever been concerned about not being able to adjust your SAK blade because it’s pinned toghether? Just saying. :whistle:
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Well this happened because of this thread :facepalm: My Endura now has a friend :D
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4533/26541755559_3b91f41688_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Grprea)1110171328 (https://flic.kr/p/Grprea) by Poncho 65 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/148903443@N02/), on Flickr
:cheers:
The Salt 1 convinced me I need more.....more lightness, more super steels! :rofl:
This is by necessity a very distant purchase, but since I might need to reserve the one option I've been toooooo'ing and frooooooooo'ing and watching many many more Youtube videos than is healthy, and I came to the following conclusions:
Pacific Salt with PE will be next....... :gimme:
Until I spotted the rivet :facepalm:
I love the LW Manix 2, but I struggle with the concept of riveted construction..... :think:
I love me some H1 just as much as the next guy and when I got into them I had a issue with my first riveted purchase but the Beaty of the Salt line is it doesn’t need to be taken apart. Every riveted Salt I have ever owned has always kept its perfect blade tension and never loosened up on me. Cleaning without taking it apart is also not a issue. One more thing. Do you own a SAK? Have you ever been concerned about not being able to adjust your SAK blade because it’s pinned toghether? Just saying. :whistle:
maybe it's the best knife designs that are pinned still today...SAK, Buck 110, the Salts, :whistle:
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My PERFECT Syderco.
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So I'm saving $ and /or trying to decide if a smaller Salt is for me. Or none. We will see. I still don't care much for the look of most Spydercos...but that Atlantic was a real kickass knife
Salt 1? Prefect knife.
I don't own any knives with a super steel yet, but I struggle to see why I'd need much more that H1.
In sober moments I know I should get the Pacific and the Broken Skull, forget about the rest.
Something that works really well becomes beautiful to me, so the Spydie hole and how it distorts the shape of the knives is more than acceptable to me.
I've been carrying the Skyline for a week+ now, compared to the Salt 1 it's lightness is a joke, and strangely I find that when playing, OH opening and closing, the Salt is easier and quicker..... :tu:
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Well this happened because of this thread :facepalm: My Endura now has a friend :D
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4533/26541755559_3b91f41688_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Grprea)1110171328 (https://flic.kr/p/Grprea) by Poncho 65 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/148903443@N02/), on Flickr
Looks like that Salt's tip has been modified?
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Pacific Salt does have that drop at the point as standard.
Asking H1 to hold a finer point is a little too much for the soft steel (IMHO)
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Pacific Salt does have that drop at the point as standard.
Asking H1 to hold a finer point is a little too much for the soft steel (IMHO)
I was referring to the top knife......see not a Salt 1......Delica?
You're right H1 with that tip wouldn't last long....
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The older Endura's did have more pointy points like that.
The new Endura 4's also have some added drop to beef up the point.
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So I'm saving $ and /or trying to decide if a smaller Salt is for me. Or none. We will see. I still don't care much for the look of most Spydercos...but that Atlantic was a real kickass knife
Salt 1? Prefect knife.
I don't own any knives with a super steel yet, but I struggle to see why I'd need much more that H1.
In sober moments I know I should get the Pacific and the Broken Skull, forget about the rest.
here, have some help :pok: :D
(https://i.imgur.com/6C1K6pb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/h2bv2Ao.jpg)
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here, have some help :pok: :D
(https://i.imgur.com/h2bv2Ao.jpg)
.......and ThePeacent pushes Gerhard over the cliff :facepalm:
Man, what a combo! :salute: