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Tool Talk => General Tool Discussion => Topic started by: Essexman on July 11, 2015, 09:22:10 PM
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Did a quick search on here, couldn't find anything.
Not been on the forum much, lost my multitool mojo a bit. But these look nice
http://www.boker.de/en/taschenmesser/boeker-plus/tech-tools.html
Any thoughts?
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I quite like the look of a couple of those, thanks for the heads up :salute:
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I quite like the look of a couple of those, thanks for the heads up :salute:
Can't believe you guys haven't spotted these, you're normally the first site to pick up these things.
I do like the green, just read that HH will have them Monday........
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It´s funny - I just found those by chance and am currently arguing with myself if I should buy one...
I´ll let you know.
PS: Good to see you!
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It´s funny - I just found those by chance and am currently arguing with myself if I should buy one...
I´ll let you know.
PS: Good to see you!
Go on, go on, go on, !
Cheers matey, how's the G shock collection these days? :D
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It´s doing fine although I try to shrink it - But still from time to time a poor homeless G comes home with me....
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Cheers for that mate and good to see you around. :cheers: I've got a lot of time for the Boker Plus knives, though these are perhaps just a little too pricy for me to casually buy. Good to see that they're non-locking IMO.
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Thanks Gareth. Agreed these are not cheap, but what cost quality?
Is it wrong of me to look at these and be thinking how easy they may come apart for modding?
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Thanks Gareth. Agreed these are not cheap, but what cost quality?
Is it wrong of me to look at these and be thinking how easy they may come apart for modding?
Not as far as I'm concerned. :D
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:facepalm: I fear I bought one....
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:facepalm: I fear I bought one....
:woohoo:
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If my wife finds out it´s more like :twak: :ahhh.... I´m looking forward to the thing. It´s the version with scissors saw and pliers so we can compare to the Vic benchmark.
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If my wife finds out it´s more like :twak: :ahhh.... I´m looking forward to the thing. It´s the version with scissors saw and pliers so we can compare to the Vic benchmark.
Would be nice to know whether the blade has any play and stuff like that as well. Thanks for taking one for the team. ;)
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I will report back as soon as I get it
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I like the looks of the 3 layer ones :tu: €50 direct from Boker might mean lower prices from dealers, plus as a servicable G10 scaled knife, I don't think it's bad value actually. I've had good quality on a couple of other Boker Plus knives, so I'm quite optimistic. A shame the serrated blade isn't an inline Phillips though
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I can imagine that the small driver on the serrated blade works like the Phillips on the Vic can opener. I hope the knife is bolted together and not riveted under screwed on scales.
And I do like the idea of the small serrated blade, would make a nice utility blade for day to day chores in my job.
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I can imagine that the small driver on the serrated blade works like the Phillips on the Vic can opener. I hope the knife is bolted together and not riveted under screwed on scales.
And I do like the idea of the small serrated blade, would make a nice utility blade for day to day chores in my job.
You might be right about the Phillips, Thomas. The screws seem to be in the right place for the pivots.
Looks like the reversible pocket clip is deep carry too :tu:
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Funny no one of teh bunch stumbled upon those before and then right when I put one in my watch list someone opens a thread to kick me over the edge...
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It seems that some of those tools are AWFULLY close copies of Victorinox ones. Bottle opener looks identical. Saw & scissors too.
Not sure how I can respect Boker too much here, especially for the hefty price.
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Got it.
Fit and finish look nice.Smaug is right on the tools "inspired" by Vic...
I´ll do asmall writeup and comparison when i have some time.
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Nice one mate. I'm eager to hear the full comparison. :tu:
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Nice one mate. I'm eager to hear the full comparison. :tu:
:imws:
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:drool: :drool: :drool: :gimme:
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Arrived at HH new product page
http://www.heinnie.com/all-products
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Arrived at HH new product page
http://www.heinnie.com/all-products
Reasonable prices too for a UK seller :tu:
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Couldn't resist, order in at HH, I'll update when it gets here.
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:tu:
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:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Read this whilst you wait - http://www.heinnie.com/blog/boker-tech-tools-review/
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Read this whilst you wait - http://www.heinnie.com/blog/boker-tech-tools-review/
I don't trust a review where they spend more words discussing the pocket clip than all the other tools combined :twak:
Also, with a review I expect pictures of tool details discussed not the stock pictures. I doubt that the guy who has written the review even cut a banana with it, its a Marketing piece.
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Still want one.
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:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Just spotted these myself while doing my fortnightly look at HH.
They look nice and there's some thought put into them but I can't help but wonder why they didn't make the blade oho? I know my fellow countryman will be pleased but for us outside of Blighty it seems like a bit of an own goal.
If this is easy disassembled, I can see that people will be going nuts modifying them.
Looking forward to a real review rather than the pr post on HH.
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They look nice and there's some thought put into them but I can't help but wonder why they didn't make the blade oho? I know my fellow countryman will be pleased but for us outside of Blighty it seems like a bit of an own goal.
OHO is frowned upon in Germany as well, a lot of people think it's illegal. (Even a very nice lady in a knife shop explained in Germany to me that OHO was illegal there, which judging from what people here have said, is not quite correct. (Either OH or locking is my understanding for Germany.)) Also, someone like me thinks it looks better with just a nail nick than a pin, and OHO would require softer opening which would then require a lock which would then make it illegal in Germany... I know they exist, but non-locking OHO isn't exactly common. (Yes, I own a Spyderco UKPK, lovely knife. :) ) What I'm saying is stuff like that is complicated, it could be as easy as wanting to make a less threatening, more socially acceptable knife than most "tacticool" designs, to try and reach a wide(r) market.
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Played with one, here is my super(ficial) assessment
- Its light but feels solid, the scales are really nice
- The tools look good, solid snap, no wiggle (well, not as precise as a Vic but oh so close)
- Don't like the scissors, as both parts move when cutting (This is the only really bad thing I can say and its at least partially my preferences)
I didn't buy one because: It does not really bring something new to the table (yet). The glass-breaker probably only pokes the pocket, the tiny rescue blade is just that, tiny and while the pocket clip and the scales are nice its not enough for me to swallow my Swiss pride :D
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(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/IMG_0703_zps9c85dd58.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/IMG_0702_zpsaffb8d79.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/IMG_0701_zps1fda6912.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/IMG_0699_zpsdefe982f.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/IMG_0700_zps09d511b2.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/IMG_0697_zps069cf57b.jpg)
Only had it a day, like it lots.
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Looks very nice. Could you take some shots of it next to a SAK of some sort? I like the look of the green G10.
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Great photos mate! Tbh it's the single blade one I fancy
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I was thinking the same thing. Nice clean slippie.
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COOL, that looks sweet! :drool:
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That is a cool looking knife mate :)
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Depending on the price, I'm pretty likely to end up with one of these after they reach The Colonies.
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It looks like a number of Broker products,that is,solid and well crafted.
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"small serrated blade with flat screwdriver"
For me, the screwdrivers are the tools that accidentally close the most, adding a serrated blade to one seems a bit dangerous. Anyway, the whole thing looks like its slightly curved, maybe that is enough to prevents (reduce the chance) this from happening.
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They looks pretty cool, but whitout Twizzer, Toothpic, Can Opener, and Phillips Screwdriver, mybe wants to wait a bit..
Its looks better than the Swisschamp, and this Belt Clip could be realy usefull,
Theyre on a good way, but i wait for :
Tectool 10:
Blade, Saw, Scissors, Corgscrew, Pliers, Can and Bottle Opener, Ale, Philips, Twizzers and Toothpic in the Scale,
Mybe then i will get me one of then..
Whitout the Swisschamp XLT, meybe i would get me Modell 4 but now this would be a downgrade toolwise
Boker is great, i enjoiy using my Griplog as EDC Second knife for task, i dont use the Swisschamp
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Some photos of the 3-layer version next to some SAKs.
The main blade I like a lot. A good size, kind of a sodbuster shape, full-height hollow grind, 12c27 stainless steel. The max thickness at the spine is 2.5mm, a little thinner than a 93mm alox SAK, but whereas the SAK blade tapers along its whole length, the Boker blade is a constant 2.5mm thick for about 2/3 of its length and only tapers in the final third. So in terms of robustness it feels pretty comparable to a 93mm SAK blade.
The scissors are decent enough, but as Etherealicer mentioned, both parts move as you cut, which feels a bit odd. They cut well, but not quite as smoothly as Victorinox scissors.
The cap lifter is near identical to the one on a 91mm SAK.
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Excellent pics shibafu, thank you. :cheers: Yours too Essexman. :tu:
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Some more...
The one tool that has no SAK equivalent is the small serrated blade. A poster on Britishblades suggested this blade is designed for cutting the foil off wine bottles, which it does indeed seem well suited to. The tip is a flat Phillips screwdriver like the Vic can opener one, and works well in that capacity, but it feels a bit hazardous to use with that serrated blade attached to it.
Corkscrews are near identical, but the Victorinox eyeglass screwdriver doesn't fit the Boker.
The awl is the same pattern as the Victorinox one, but is slightly broader and thicker, and has a sharper edge and point.
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Very cool. No back tool on the main blade, with back tools on the other layers seems like a very good design decision.
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Great pics, thanks shibafu.
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Got mine today.
The one thin I noticed when I tested it out (and its also very visible on the picture below from shibafu) is that the small screwdriver does not open to 180°, making it even more prone to accidental closing. So, I played a little bit with it and promptly had it close on me :ahhh, careful how you hold that thing. Seriously, this is a very nice SAKALIKE but that small screwdriver scares me.
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60704.0;attach=198606;image)
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Got mine today.
The one thin I noticed when I tested it out (and its also very visible on the picture below from shibafu) is that the small screwdriver does not open to 180°, making it even more prone to accidental closing. So, I played a little bit with it and promptly had it close on me :ahhh, careful how you hold that thing. Seriously, this is a very nice SAKALIKE but that small screwdriver scares me.
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60704.0;attach=198606;image)
That's too bad. I was strongly considering one. Those handles appear to be the same G10 that is on one of my Boker knives that I really like. And it was hitting all the right buttons for me with the tools except for that. I know I would close it on myself :(
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I really like the look of these, and even though I'm having a mass clearout of my stuff, I'm very interested in giving one of these a try.
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No phillips head?!?! Makes no sense with that setup of tools they provide. And this video shows how poor of a performer the scissors are compared to a SAK.
https://youtu.be/BMepBFeOTus
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZL3Xqkq8I
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No phillips head?!?! Makes no sense with that setup of tools they provide. And this video shows how poor of a performer the scissors are compared to a SAK.
https://youtu.be/BMepBFeOTus
Probably doesn't help that he keeps using the wrong hand :rofl:
Looks like the scissors need crinking a bit. I'm less worried about the fact that the "Phillips" substitute doesn't open out inline, and more concerned that it has serrations on. I'd need to play with it to see if I felt I could adopt a safe grip for using that implement as a driver
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No phillips head?!?! Makes no sense with that setup of tools they provide. And this video shows how poor of a performer the scissors are compared to a SAK.
https://youtu.be/BMepBFeOTus
Probably doesn't help that he keeps using the wrong hand :rofl:
Looks like the scissors need crinking a bit. I'm less worried about the fact that the "Phillips" substitute doesn't open out inline, and more concerned that it has serrations on. I'd need to play with it to see if I felt I could adopt a safe grip for using that implement as a driver
Not sure I believe it matters what hand he was using. But maybe someone who has one can do a similar test. I really wanted to like these but the Phillips is probably the number one tool I use.
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Scissors: That is really sad, I think that is the most popular tool on small pocket knifes with more than just a blade.
Phillips: I will try it out some more and if RT is not going to do the Off-Brand October with it, then I will.
Here is some more from my first 24h (I carried it yesterday for a 2-hours hike).
The lanyard attachment is kinda bad: folded in its useless, folded out it adds a very pointy point.
Glass-breaker: Great idea but I don't like it as it pokes me.
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I've tried the scissors on mine on paper, plastic, leather, paracord and microcord, and while they're not as good as Victorinox scissors, they do work, and they're better than Leatherman Juice scissors. And yes it does help to apply a little sideways force to prevent the blades separating as they close.
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Seems like maybe you guys are using the screwdriver tip on the knife wrong.
How about if you use it while pressing against the back stop, as you'd use a 91mm Vic combo tool on a Phillips?
Or just forget it's there and consider it a wine bottle foil knife? In that capacity, it's better than anything anyone else makes.
Both halves of the scissors moving (aka Wenger) has its pros and cons too: there's no fragile leaf spring to bend or break. It should be fine for snipping threads and less precision tasks, only not good for coupon clipping.
Pokey glass breaker: is it pokey when carrying on the pocket clip too, or just during pocket carry?
It may seem like I'm trying to defend it without ever having handled one, but I'm not. I'm just saying that if you expect it to be just like a Victorinox, that's the wrong attitude. Be open-minded to a different way of doing things and to some different applications.
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I agree, maybe we should focus on the strenght of that tool (wood shaving etc.) rather than its weakness as screwdriver.
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I've tried the scissors on mine on paper, plastic, leather, paracord and microcord, and while they're not as good as Victorinox scissors, they do work, and they're better than Leatherman Juice scissors. And yes it does help to apply a little sideways force to prevent the blades separating as they close.
Good to know. If they ever make it usable for my needs and put a phillips head on there I will get one.
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Am I the only one who sees the wine foil cutter, and thinks it seems useful for paracord and as an improvised seat belt cutter? I thought a seat belt cutter seemed natural as a pairing with the glass breaker. As a small screwdriver, it seems easy enough to place the hands only gripping the scales, i.e. keeping the fingers totally out of harms reach?
Still on the fence whether I should get one or not, so I'm only throwing out questions here... :think:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZL3Xqkq8I
I like these tools.
Although I can't see how the pocket clip on the number 4 tool could be useful, since the tool is far too wide to fit in a pocket in the orientation required to use the clip.
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This isnt just a poket clip, its also an Beltclip, so you wouldnt need an Beltcase to carry it, just put in on your belt..
This way i often carryd my Leahtermans, or other Knifes whit Clip..
The Clip and the Blade would be nice to have, and therefore im interestet in the Techtool, but as it dosnt have Tweezers, which you often need in the wild, im stick whit my Swisstool/Böker Griploc Kombo..
But if they make a Techtool 10, whit all these Swisstools XLT Tools, and whit Canopener, i think i will jump in to the Böker..
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The more I read you guy's comments, the less I like this.
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The Techtools looks cool, and usefull,
But i spend last yeahr about 120 € in a Swisschamp XLT, the Mother of all Swiss Army Knifes, and 80 € in a Böker Plus Griploc,
Which i booth edc the same time..
So i cant see the benefit of the techtool at the moment..
A techtool whit a loocable blade, and all tools of the swisschamp, this would be something which i would like to get me..
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I can confirm that the blade is good at cutting, bit too good?
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/IMG_0920_zpsf1c5f3bd.jpg)
Lucky for me my good wife was at hand with the first aid box and first aid trained.
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Strange, i tought a sharp blade is less dangerous than a not that sharp, because you dotnt need that much force to work whit it so its more under your controll,
But i also got bitten from my Vic XLT when i wantet to open all tools for the pictures,
But there was one of the Blades in the Middle, i think the Prunner blade..
But it was a nice clean cut, it dit bleed a bit, but healt realy fast....
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A couple things I realized, while watching that first video:
a) The scale material is FAR more durable than anything Victorinox puts out. (and nice-looking too!) The nylon with rubber inserts on the new Soldier is not bad, but the one on the Boker looks like it'd never break.
b) The scales look to be attached with temper-resistant Torx screws = easier modding or servicing. I know some of the modders who work on Alox Vics choose to replace the rivets with round-headed fasteners like that.
Vic pliers-based MTs are often criticized (compared to Leatherman and SOG, for example) for using rivets instead of fasteners that can be removed without destroying anything. It's kind of a trade off: the rivets are more permanent and durable. But using rivets just seems to make the whole product a bit more .... disposable.
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Strange, i tought a sharp blade is less dangerous than a not that sharp, because you dotnt need that much force to work whit it so its more under your controll,
But i also got bitten from my Vic XLT when i wantet to open all tools for the pictures,
But there was one of the Blades in the Middle, i think the Prunner blade..
But it was a nice clean cut, it dit bleed a bit, but healt realy fast....
Sharp blades are safer when using the knife with good habits. I think we have all slipped up from time to time.
I used to tease my wife for cutting herself often. I gave her tips on how not to, which she usually ignored. I proudly told her that she should listen to me, as I haven't cut myself in years.
Of course, you know what happened next.
A couple weeks later, I was cutting apples with a plain-edged steak knife. (large paring knife) I had put the blade under the palm of the hand that was about to cut the apple in half, while that hand was holding the apple at the edges.
The only problem was that I forgot to tuck in my pinky finger of the hand that was holding the apple, and the hand was blocking the view of the finger. I was rushing a little (2nd mistake) so when I forcefully brought that blade down, it slice my pinky finger pretty well. Blood everywhere; soaked through the band-aid, etc.
Then, later that same day, I cut myself again. I don't even remember how. But what a shameful day it was! My wife reminded me how ironic it was that "the expert" (she made air quotes there) who spends all this time thinking about knives and reading knife fora cut himself twice in one day.
Karma's a bitch. :-[
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Strange, i tought a sharp blade is less dangerous than a not that sharp, because you dotnt need that much force to work whit it so its more under your controll,
But i also got bitten from my Vic XLT when i wantet to open all tools for the pictures,
But there was one of the Blades in the Middle, i think the Prunner blade..
But it was a nice clean cut, it dit bleed a bit, but healt realy fast....
Sharp blades are safer when using the knife with good habits. I think we have all slipped up from time to time.
I used to tease my wife for cutting herself often. I gave her tips on how not to, which she usually ignored. I proudly told her that she should listen to me, as I haven't cut myself in years.
Of course, you know what happened next.
A couple weeks later, I was cutting apples with a plain-edged steak knife. (large paring knife) I had put the blade under the palm of the hand that was about to cut the apple in half, while that hand was holding the apple at the edges.
The only problem was that I forgot to tuck in my pinky finger of the hand that was holding the apple, and the hand was blocking the view of the finger. I was rushing a little (2nd mistake) so when I forcefully brought that blade down, it slice my pinky finger pretty well. Blood everywhere; soaked through the band-aid, etc.
Then, later that same day, I cut myself again. I don't even remember how. But what a shameful day it was! My wife reminded me how ironic it was that "the expert" (she made air quotes there) who spends all this time thinking about knives and reading knife fora cut himself twice in one day.
Karma's a bitch. :-[
That sounds familiar in all aspects of your story.
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This is from the Sanrenmu web site. Looks near identical, I'm guessing they are the OE manufacturer. But the tool selection is a bit different. It'll be cool if they make some different variations from the Boker ones for the Chinese home market.
(http://i.imgur.com/2V0ZmUR.jpg)
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Ah, the joys of having production placed in China: Competition with yourself.
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Its already on alixpress:
http://m.aliexpress.com/item/32428090331.html?tracelog=storedetail2mobilesitedetail
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Its already on alixpress:
http://m.aliexpress.com/item/32428090331.html?tracelog=storedetail2mobilesitedetail
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Don't think it is the same one. The above shows a Philips head. Would have had on order. You had me excited for a moment to try one.
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I checked FastTech. Doesn't seem to be on there yet either: https://www.fasttech.com/search?sanrenmu.
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I have read about more versions from the OE manufacturer in a german knife forum when searching for infos about the manufacturer of the Tech Tools.
They had teh hope BÖKER would sell some more version, too.
I still have to test if the knife is easy to disassemble - With tools from the shown Sanrenmu,I´d liek to make a slim Version for work carry.
I have not found Information wether BÖKEr came up with the design and licensed it to Sanrenmu or if the Knife is a Sanrenmu design marketed in Germany/Europe by BÖKER.
It will be interesting how teh knife/tool holds up compared to Vic SAKs.
EDIT: Sad that BÖKER did not order them with teh Tweezers the SRM branded version offers. Scales look like CF on the SRM as opposed to G10 on the BÖKER. Merketing for Germany seems to be BÖKER exclusive, I cannot order the SRM on from Aliexpress from germany.
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Here's a page with lots of pictures of Sanrenmu variants (scroll down). It seems there's a smaller keyring version too (the 6xx model numbers)
http://www.cnccw.com/?product-2386.html
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Is it wrong that I prefer the idea of these as SRM than Boker?
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Boker has a few new models....one with backside Phillips! My interest is rekindled.
https://www.boker.de/us/pocket-knife/boker-plus/tech-tools.html
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Boker has a few new models....one with backside Phillips! My interest is rekindled.
https://www.boker.de/us/pocket-knife/boker-plus/tech-tools.html
:imws:
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Boker has a few new models....one with backside Phillips! My interest is rekindled.
https://www.boker.de/us/pocket-knife/boker-plus/tech-tools.html
:imws:
Now that's a nice set of tools. They must have asked a couple of SAK enthusiasts what to put on it :D
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Why they keep putting cock screw on everything?
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Why they keep putting cock screw on everything?
Check out Nr. 5!
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I like the look of the Huntsman-like one: https://www.boker.de/us/pocket-knife/boker-plus/tech-tools/01BO809.html
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I wonder what they were thinking with the serrated/driver stopping short of full open. They had to have a reason...right? Any guesses as to the logic?
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It's a shame they're still putting the wine bottle foil blade on all of them instead of something useful.
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I have seen SRM selling these for a while in Chinese markets, at a much lower price as well.
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Why they keep putting cock screw on everything?
Check out Nr. 5!
I said cock screw! ::)
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I have seen SRM selling these for a while in Chinese markets, at a much lower price as well.
Any links? I might be tempted to try the model 3 (Climber type) at the right price.
As an aside, I'm surprised this thread went quiet for a while. I expected more people to have tried one and be posting reports......
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Why they keep putting cock screw on everything?
Check out Nr. 5!
I said cock screw! ::)
Thank god not ring!
And 50ft, I still do wait for a moment to either take mine apart (if it is possible) or to take it with me for a while. I just find the knife (5 Layer) too big for pocket carry and want to have a big plier when at work.
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Thank god not ring!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Why they keep putting cock screw on everything?
Check out Nr. 5!
I said cock screw! ::)
Yeah....a backside one. :rofl:
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(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c237/marknuck311/download_zpsee2824ce.jpg~original)
:D
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Just for reference, BladeHQ has also made a video introducing various models:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY8hGNM8V_8&list=TLRLg0Wr-NnNkxODA5MjAxNQ
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Just for reference, BladeHQ has also made a video introducing various models:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY8hGNM8V_8&list=TLRLg0Wr-NnNkxODA5MjAxNQ
Thanks!
BladeHQ does have the Tech Tool 5 and Outdoor 5 with the phillips listed as coming soon, so I was able to subscribe to email notification of when they are in :tu:
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Can one of you guys that have one of these try to cut a clothing tag with the scissors and report back. This is my test for good scissors...most MTs fail. Thanks!
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Can one of you guys that have one of these try to cut a clothing tag with the scissors and report back. This is my test for good scissors...most MTs fail. Thanks!
I just received my Outdoor 4 and there are some things I really like about it, and a few things that are kind of meh, and one thing that I dislike.
Likes: Handle scales-- feel and grip are significant improvements over cellidor and alox. Screw construction. Belt clip. Overall shape with a bit of a swell towards the butt-- ergonomically, an improvement over Vic 91s.
The mehs: Build quality a bit below Victorinox, especially apparent with the scissors. Did not pass the clothing tag test, repeatedly failing. Also both the pliers and scissors have torsion bars that ride the backspring, so there is noticeable movement of both implements during use. Adequate but not exceptional edge on the main blade. A tad heavy but seems pretty burly compared to Vic 91s.
The weird dislike: The serrated blade. It has a medium-small screwdriver flat blade at the tip and is VERY stout for its length. But it opens to about a 45 degree angle to the knife, making use of the screwdriver tip very iffy, scarily so considering if the driver slips, you're raking a serrated blade across whatever you were driving. The angle makes sense given a primary use of the blade as a cord or strap cutter, but I'm not even going to attempt using it as a screwdriver.
Overall verdict: I like it. Design-wise, I give it an B+, losing just a smidge because of the serrated blade tip choice. Comfort and feel in had are standout areas. A few little tweaks to the scissors and pliers would be nice as well. I think it will see some rotation time on days I'd otherwise have an Explorer or D. Tinker.
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The weird dislike: The serrated blade. It has a medium-small screwdriver flat blade at the tip and is VERY stout for its length. But it opens to about a 45 degree angle to the knife, making use of the screwdriver tip very iffy, scarily so considering if the driver slips, you're raking a serrated blade across whatever you were driving. The angle makes sense given a primary use of the blade as a cord or strap cutter, but I'm not even going to attempt using it as a screwdriver.
That screwdriver tip fits a Phillips screw beautifully, but like you I feel it's too hazardous to use in that capacity. A frustrating design flaw.
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Carrying mine in the Off-Brand Challenge (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,62284.msg1158798.html)
So far the scissors are very disappointing. Anyone else with one have the same experience or did I just get a dud?
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So far the scissors are very disappointing. Anyone else with one have the same experience or did I just get a dud?
I found mine to be OK, they will cut paracord without any difficulty. Not a patch on Victorinox scissors of course, but at least as good as Leatherman Juice scissors. And way better than the set of SOG scissors that I have.
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So far the scissors are very disappointing. Anyone else with one have the same experience or did I just get a dud?
I found mine to be OK, they will cut paracord without any difficulty. Not a patch on Victorinox scissors of course, but at least as good as Leatherman Juice scissors. And way better than the set of SOG scissors that I have.
I found now that they work better on hard/stiff material.
No problem cutting cable ties or clamshell packaging (will post pictures later tonight in my OBC-thread)
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So far the scissors are very disappointing. Anyone else with one have the same experience or did I just get a dud?
I found mine to be OK, they will cut paracord without any difficulty. Not a patch on Victorinox scissors of course, but at least as good as Leatherman Juice scissors. And way better than the set of SOG scissors that I have.
Damning them with faint praise then?
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I found mine to be OK, they will cut paracord without any difficulty. Not a patch on Victorinox scissors of course, but at least as good as Leatherman Juice scissors. And way better than the set of SOG scissors that I have.
Damning them with faint praise then?
That wasn't my intention :) I think they're quite acceptable. Not the best, but only one can be the best!
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So having come back to this thread after some time I’ve realised my love for the Boker has gone. It sits in the bowl with my other EDC gear and I tend not to pick it up too much. Thinking about it, my Victorinox tools are being picked up and used as ever, but not the Boker. It’s OK, it does some things well (nice big blade, good clip), but there are other features that is doesn’t (see others comments above!).
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a very well made tool, just needs a bit more design to get it spot on right in every way. Considering it’s the MK1 version I think they did well. I really hope that Boker continue and make more tools, and develop the range over time.
Maybe we are spoilt by the likes of Victorinox who have been amking tools for some time now, Boker just have a bit of catching up to do.
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So having come back to this thread after some time I’ve realised my love for the Boker has gone. It sits in the bowl with my other EDC gear and I tend not to pick it up too much. Thinking about it, my Victorinox tools are being picked up and used as ever, but not the Boker. It’s OK, it does some things well (nice big blade, good clip), but there are other features that is doesn’t (see others comments above!).
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a very well made tool, just needs a bit more design to get it spot on right in every way. Considering it’s the MK1 version I think they did well. I really hope that Boker continue and make more tools, and develop the range over time.
Maybe we are spoilt by the likes of Victorinox who have been amking tools for some time now, Boker just have a bit of catching up to do.
I agree on all accounts, except the MK1 part...
Sadly, with Boker pushing so many versions, I presume that Boker is done with designing and moved on to reaping. I'm also hoping to be wrong about this.
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So having come back to this thread after some time I’ve realised my love for the Boker has gone. It sits in the bowl with my other EDC gear and I tend not to pick it up too much. Thinking about it, my Victorinox tools are being picked up and used as ever, but not the Boker. It’s OK, it does some things well (nice big blade, good clip), but there are other features that is doesn’t (see others comments above!).
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a very well made tool, just needs a bit more design to get it spot on right in every way. Considering it’s the MK1 version I think they did well. I really hope that Boker continue and make more tools, and develop the range over time.
Maybe we are spoilt by the likes of Victorinox who have been amking tools for some time now, Boker just have a bit of catching up to do.
Interesting, my opinion of my Outdoor 4 is the opposite-- a better design than Victorinox, let down by indifferent execution. I'd love to see Victorinox license the design and put it together.
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I ditnt understand this numbers: as far i know is the tektool 4 the one whit the most tools, but there is also a tektool 7 and a 1 2 3 whit less tools..
So which one to shose if you want everytool ??
And is there an teechtool equivalent to a swisschamp??
To have tweezer and toothpic i would also carry an little SAK like the Classic..
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Yup. Guilty as charged with dragging up a nigh on 2 year old thread by the hair...
Walked by a well known cutlery chain store in the city I work in, yesterday at lunchtime, and saw these (green for Outdoor) were for sale at less than half of (indicated) MSRP, and decided to go for the largest model (no. 4, I believe) out of curiosity.
Not too shabby at all (especially for the price). Nice wide main blade, pocket clip and scales, as well as tool snap and build quality which generally are nice - lots of space between the tools though, seems they wanted to include liners between all the separate tools and these, combined with the wide tool tangs make for relatively inefficient use of space compared to Vic.
I haven't read through all the posts above, but none of those I did read mentioned a glass breaker pin at the end opposite the main blade pivot. Might be a recent(ish) addition. If anyone is interested I can post a pic.
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Not too shabby at all (especially for the price). Nice wide main blade, pocket clip and scales, as well as tool snap and build quality which generally are nice - lots of space between the tools though, seems they wanted to include liners between all the separate tools and these, combined with the wide tool tangs make for relatively inefficient use of space compared to Vic.
I haven't read through all the posts above, but none of those I did read mentioned a glass breaker pin at the end opposite the main blade pivot. Might be a recent(ish) addition. If anyone is interested I can post a pic.
Yeah, Pictures :tu: :gimme:
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Not too shabby at all (especially for the price). Nice wide main blade, pocket clip and scales, as well as tool snap and build quality which generally are nice - lots of space between the tools though, seems they wanted to include liners between all the separate tools and these, combined with the wide tool tangs make for relatively inefficient use of space compared to Vic.
I haven't read through all the posts above, but none of those I did read mentioned a glass breaker pin at the end opposite the main blade pivot. Might be a recent(ish) addition. If anyone is interested I can post a pic.
Yeah, Pictures :tu: :gimme:
:imws:
that's the price to pay for necro-ing a 2 year old thread!! :pok:
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thanks! :tu:
I love those scales, both texture and color :salute:
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Check out my Boker Tech Tool 4 mod here: https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,67166.msg1940887.html#msg1940887
Charles.