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Tool Talk => Swiss Army Knights Forum => Topic started by: Steelej1976 on October 05, 2021, 02:45:21 AM
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I struggle between these two choices, so which one would you choose?
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I suppose the flippant answer would be why choose, mix and match as the mood takes you. But totally understand where you’re coming from as I love the cadet and always have a Manager or Rambler on my keychain. Also really like a Climber, Compact or Huntsman for EDC
In my case depends where I’m going or what I’m doing. A trip to the city then probably just the Manager with maybe a cadet as back up, (just found a used green one second hand I’m waiting to arrive, cadet #13 I think :whistle: )
Going further afield then it’ll be one of the 91’s or maybe an FX. Going bush then maybe a 111
Just to confuse the issue even more I like most if not all 84mm SAK’s, let’s face it I like all SAKs period. So think I’m back to the mix and match as the mood takes you answer :think:
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Either way you have almost the same tools available. With just a climber you'll only be missing out on the nail file. I voted climber because I find the cadet hard to get ahold of for bigger tasks. A cadet is what I would call a dressed up or going to church knife.Either set up is what I would call "town carry".
I always have a set of keys, with either classic SD or rambler, in my pocket. That way I can pick whichever larger knife makes sense for the days mission and area of operations.
"One is none and two is one".
Maybe there's no right answer :facepalm:
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I think I prefer having the larger scissors and tools for the most part, but like Jackpine says, there's really no right answer.
I'd actually go Tinker Small + Classic SD Alox, or even just a Compact... :pok:
I struggle to really like the Cadet as its lack of scissors is such a glaring omission when it has the nail file. If you use the scissors enough, having the larger ones could be worth it over the 58mm. Of your two options, I'd go with Climber (or the Super Tinker which just replaces the corkscrew with T-Phillips).
Only way to know is to buy all of them and try each possible combination :whistle:
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The struggle is real.
I chose Cadet/Classic however I'd actually choose Manager since its what I carry, or more specifically Midnight Manager ;).
I like having options so having a 58mm with me gives me options. I'd love to believe I could carry 1 SAK. I envy those who have found the ONE.
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I for one would have no struggle on this one....
Climber all the way :climber:
... and an alox classic, or minichamp, or rambler... :D
Never really warmed up to the Cadet much... It's a good "dress up" SAK, but just that... IMO it's just way too bloody thin. A Cadet X (or at least thicker scales) would make it more barrable.
Don't know how some folks can put up with the alox Bantams.... :think:
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I'd go with a Climber too, because for me a SAK is about having just one tool that does as many things as possible, while keeping within practical levels of carry/pocket space.
Of course, if it were me, I'd just carry some kind of Ranger/Handyman-EvoS557-Cybertool hybrid... :climber:
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I carry a Rambler and a Cadet as my EDC at work. Climber doesn't fit comfortably in my slacks, and I don't want to wear a pouch, etc. I have yet to come across a problem around the office that the combo couldn't handle.
On the weekends, when I can wear sensible pants, I swap in a Huntsman or Fieldmaster.
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Climber. With the Cadet/Classic combo; there are two nailfiles, which is really redundant.
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Climber.
Kinda covers all bases of the combo except for the nail file/s.
If you really really want a Cadet + Scissors in a slightly shorter package, go Evo 14. 85mm package with nailfile and scissors.
If I won’t need an awl or the flathead/drivers of the can opener + bottle opener layer, I go with a Compact.
On the car keys I have a Manager for small SAK needs.
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Climber! You're only carrying one SAK, plus you got the hook. Awlso, like I did with mine, with a little scale swap you got a pen, too.
:cheers: :tu:
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I’ve combo’ed the Cadet with Leathermans and other small SAKs. It does really well. The big sell for me is how slim the Cadet carries.
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Back again, to complicate things. I'd also suggest Tinker vs Cadet or Recruit vs Cadet. I love my Cadet since its the older ribbed one. Mine has two blades so the file is nicely complimented with the 58mm. I was originally a big fan of the Recruit then I got a 84mm one and booya. What a treat yet capable however I did miss at times the awl. Heres where our SAK brains tell us we need just one more implement.
I picked up a 84mm Tinker and its all that. Like many I struggled to conceive of carrying a SAK without scissors. Why would I do such a thing? Well the 58mm has them and they are pretty darn great. I combo I carry around the house is my Cadet and Micra but thats another story.
So, would a 84mm Tinker or Recruit be of any interest to ya? The advantage of the Cadet is its slim profile. Alox is another great aspect and the color it comes in is also pretty fun. Last night I pocketed a Tinker which is why I am back to toss out the idea to you.
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I´d go for the combo. The Cadet with a Classic together weigh less than a Climber (68 g vs 83g).
I don´t carry a Classic (or MiniChamp) as much as I used to, I now prefer the slightly larger Ambassador (74mm). I use it for nailcare, mostly. I combo carry it with other SAKs, a Waiter and a Bushcrafter mod. I find that these three slim and lightweight SAKs together carry more easily than a single SAK with the approximate same set of tools, like the Huntsman. Especially since the Bushcrafter mod is the only one to ride in my pocket and the other two are in my backpack.
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I voted for the combo.
Mostly because I’ve been sold on keeping a 58mm on the keychain. For me it’s usually a Signature Lite. It’s a great backup and ‘allows’ me to pretty much grab anything in the EDC pile without worry about wether I’ll need a pen or lite or file or small blade.
For the OP, the vote is also somewhat against the Climber. I rarely choose to carry any of mine except the BSA and Stay-glo versions. I find them a bit bulky for their tool loading.
And I also have come to love the Cadets…even if it’s mostly for the older 2-blade versions. But one thing I like about the 84mm alox is that the large blade is more usable to me as a right hander. With cellidor and 3+ layers, I generally don’t like the position of the main blade closer to my fingers vs. my thumb. Which is why I generally prefer the small blade for most tasks.
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Definitely a tough choice. The big upside of the Climber is the bigger scissors but you also get the corkscrew and, for me, it fits my hand better. The Cadet combo will get you a couple of nail-files and, I'd say, carries a little easier.
Just to throw another option open; how about the Delemont 14? (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Del%C3%A9mont+Evolution+14+and+16) Unless you really hate those scissors it's really good compromise.
(https://www.sakwiki.com/show_image.php?id=3753&scalesize=0&nocount=y)
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I voted for the "combo" but to be honest my Cadet (Alox) suits me for most of my, admittedly, urban needs.
I neither need, nor want, scale tools and as for work, I use my issue O/G Surge and Whitby lock knife (I can't carry anything else ::) )
I don't really like cellidor so, for me, the ideal EDC (in my limited UK legal usage) would be an Alox Cadet X :think:
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I voted for the "combo" but to be honest my Cadet (Alox) suits me for most of my, admittedly, urban needs.
I neither need, nor want, scale tools and as for work, I use my issue O/G Surge and Whitby lock knife (I can't carry anything else ::) )
I don't really like cellidor so, for me, the ideal EDC (in my limited UK legal usage) would be an Alox Cadet X :think:
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88229.0;attach=523329)
:whistle:
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:drool:
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(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88229.0;attach=523329)
:whistle:
Dammit! :like: (whered'y'geddit) :pok:
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I struggle between these two choices, so which one would you choose?
The short answer is that it depends.
The Climber is more versatile and has more tools than the Cadet and Classic SD put together, i.e. adds awl, hook, corkscrew, and optional mini SD, while missing only a nail file.
However, the Cadet + Classic SD combo carries more easily, and would probably rarely leave you wanting.
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Dammit! :like: (whered'y'geddit) :pok:
Made it years ago (when 84mm scissors were a tiny bit easier to find).
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Made it years ago (when 84mm scissors were a tiny bit easier to find).
Ah! I see ::) I'll just wait for Vic' to do the right thing then :surrender: :pok:
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Ah! I see ::) I'll just wait for Vic' to do the right thing then :surrender: :pok:
Yeah...
(https://memecrunch.com/meme/C0FFQ/still-waiting/image.jpg?w=400&c=1)
:facepalm:
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Definitely the climber and it’s 98% for my love of cellidor which I find to be way more crowd friendly and less likely to draw unwanted attention. Whenever I carry my farmer and grab it real quick from my pocket I noticed that sometimes it will garnish a reaction from strangers as it’s a shiny metal thing that looks like a knife or “weapon”. I just don’t get the same reaction when I carry my cellidors. People see the bright red plastic and think Swiss Army knife and not weapon and I like that benefit. I travel all over the place so this may not be a concern for others but for me it’s cellidor all the way!
:climber:
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Hi Steelej1976,
I’m struggling with a similar dilemma too.
I’m thinking of buying a medium-sized SAK, after only using Classics/Ramblers for a few years.
Though, it seems to me, owning a SAK is a lesson in compromise as none of them are perfect.
Unless you’ve got the skills, or money, to customise your own.
P.S. Nice Cadet X Gareth! :like:
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I’m thinking of buying a medium-sized SAK
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That´s how it starts. :D
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as none of them are perfect.
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Down the rabbit hole! :ahhh
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That´s how it starts. :D
Down the rabbit hole! :ahhh
Thanks. :D
I’ll think I’ll start with the Climber so I can hopefully “climb” back out?
Well, fingers crossed?! :think:
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Thanks. :D
I’ll think I’ll start with the Climber so I can hopefully “climb” back out?
Well, fingers crossed?! :think:
:facepalm:
You should start with the Explorer so you can "explore" all the models you collect. :pok: :whistle:
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:rofl:
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:facepalm:
You should start with the Explorer so you can "explore" all the models you collect. :pok: :whistle:
Or perhaps I should get the Compact first?
Then, hopefully, my collection will remain “compact” too? :D
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Or perhaps I should get the Compact first?
Then, hopefully, my collection will remain “compact” too? :D
Either you get the Compact or the Climber, you'll get hooked.
:whistle:
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Either you get the Compact or the Climber, you'll get hooked.
:whistle:
:rofl:
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Either you get the Compact or the Climber, you'll get hooked.
:whistle:
:facepalm:
Need to Explorer awl the Modelers in the Ranger they offer.. can't Skipper any :tu: But now I'm Ramblering like a Handyman. :whistle:
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Or perhaps I should get the Compact first?
Then, hopefully, my collection will remain “compact” too? :D
If it's any help my first three 91mm SAKs were; Climber, Huntsman, Compact. In that order. You don't want to know how many I own now (nor could I say off the top of my head) :D
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If it's any help my first three 91mm SAKs were; Climber, Huntsman, Compact. In that order. You don't want to know how many I own now (nor could I say off the top of my head) :D
Thanks for the help Gareth. :tu:
The ones I’m considering, at the moment, are: the Climber, Compact, or the Pioneer X.
I really want to see how well the full-size Vic scissors work, compared to the Classic’s.
Also, my twenty-plus year old kitchen scissors are finally giving up the ghost, and I’m hoping a Vic could replace them?
They could also eliminate a huge swathe of the other ‘just in case’ kitchen gadgets, in that drawer?
Sacrilege, I know. :o
Though so much cooler! 8)
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Thanks for the help Gareth. :tu:
The ones I’m considering, at the moment, are: the Climber, Compact, or the Pioneer X.
I really want to see how well the full-size Vic scissors work, compared to the Classic’s.
Also, my twenty-plus year old kitchen scissors are finally giving up the ghost, and I’m hoping a Vic could replace them?
They could also eliminate a huge swathe of the other ‘just in case’ kitchen gadgets, in that drawer?
Sacrilege, I know. :o
Though so much cooler! 8)
I'd say that the 91mm scissors cut as well as you Classic's (but with the advantage of longer cutting surfaces). Not certain I'd want to 100% rely on them in the kitchen though.
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I'd say that the 91mm scissors cut as well as you Classic's (but with the advantage of longer cutting surfaces). Not certain I'd want to 100% rely on them in the kitchen though.
Well, I guess I’ll find out as I’ve just ordered a Climber. :facepalm:
Though I only really use my kitchen scissors to open all the plastic bags that food seems to come in nowadays.
:cheers:
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Well, I guess I’ll find out as I’ve just ordered a Climber. :facepalm:
Though I only really use my kitchen scissors to open all the plastic bags that food seems to come in nowadays.
:cheers:
That it should manage without breaking a sweat. :salute: