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Title: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: trinity on November 23, 2006, 04:03:37 AM: i have the complete range of leatherman tools ...from the micra to the supertool (all original)...and they are supposed to be better than their so-called new counterparts...they are !(i refer to the old Leatherman range,and not the latest offerings)
why leatherman went and made the new tools is beyond me....

none of these tools in any way have a better fit, feel , finish, finesse, functionality than a Swisstool...only a die-hard American with a Leatherman as his\her ally would think like that...cause if Americans wont buy Leatherman...there goes Leatherman!
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Tom Munch on November 23, 2006, 05:22:42 AM: I don't want to get into a war, but I still carry both the Vic & the LM because the Leatherman's (Leathermen?) fit screws better & have standard screwdriver sizes where the Vic does not. This has always annoyed me. Otherwise the Vic is to die for.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: colubrid on November 23, 2006, 07:20:56 AM: Tom,

You are one of the few people I know that want more screwdriver selection.

This is something i wish LM would cut back on and replace with other tools.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Tom Munch on November 23, 2006, 07:41:36 AM: I don't want more selection. I just want the screwdrivers that are included to actually fit the screws. I'd be content with a standard Phillips, standard slotted, & an eyeglass screwdriver.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: eodtech on November 23, 2006, 03:00:07 PM: SwissTools would be great if they were constructed like the SOG's and had a way of removing and replacing tools. In my book SOG is #1 ( S62 is what I now carry ) and SwissTool RS is #2. I have kept one LM 1st generation WAVE and nothing else from LM.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: hurricane bob on December 22, 2006, 01:21:19 AM: Hello Trinity,

Can you please expand. How does the Swiss Tool have a better fit, feel, and finish than the Leatherman models. I'm more than impressed with the quality that my LM Charge Ti exudes. The pliers are very tight and quality feeling, the handles lock up solidly, and the bit driver is much more versatile than the standard fixed bits. Is this the Chevy vs. Ford type od discussion?

Also the LM warranty is one of the best in the industry.

I just bought my first Vic. Tinker, and it seems real nice, but comparing apples to oranges my LM Charge is much more lusty.

I plan on eventually getting all tools, so I'm not arguing which is better. I'm just asking for a solid facts why one make is better than another.

Bob.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 22, 2006, 01:42:12 AM: You really can't compare the SwissTool to the Charge since they are different sizes. Continuing with your Chevy vs Ford analogy, it would be like putting an Escape against the Suburban. The SwissTool would be more akin to the Surge or SuperTool.

And Victorinox' warranty is better in the fact that it is a lifetime warranty (ie forever) while Leatherman's warranty expires after a mere 25 years!

If you are looking for a heavy duty tool, the SwissTool is probably the way you want to go. If you want something smaller and lighter for edc, go with the Charge.

Another big difference is that the SwissTool has significantly more functions than comparable sized models from other manufacturers. It has more implements than most, and many of the implements have multiple uses- like the bottle opener/screwdriver/wirestripper all being on one implement.

If you don't have a Victorinox multitool, you won't ever understand how well it is made until you get one. They really are in a class by themselves.

Def
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Travis Autry on December 22, 2006, 03:22:47 AM: Quote
If you don't have a Victorinox multitool, you won't ever understand how well it is made until you get one. They really are in a class by themselves.

Other good points about the SwissTool line:

All blades/tools are accessible without opening the pliers
All tools lock
Each tool has an individual backspring, so there is no clumping

When I first saw the SwissTool, I had and used a Leatherman Super Tool. It appeared to me that Victorinox took all the bad points about the Super Tool and fixed them in the SwissTool.

I now own an original SwissTool and an X model. One or the other is on my side daily. Forget the American Express card, I don't leave home without a SwissTool.

Heck, I haven't even been able to warm up to the SwissTool Spirit. I looked at one and agree it is a nice, smaller version, but it just didn't speak to me.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: plowboy on December 22, 2006, 03:57:28 PM: I like the Swisstools and especially the Spirit. I don't own anything else right now. I have a SOG Powerlock ordered from FelineVet, but given the volume of mail the USPS is handling over the holidays I haven't received it yet.

I also want to buy a Charge so that I can compare SOG and Leatherman to Vic. I think it will be fun to do my own comparison.

The Spirit is great, though!
:)
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Anthony on December 23, 2006, 02:16:14 AM: Quote from: plowboy on December 22, 2006, 03:57:28 PM
but given the volume of mail the USPS is handling over the holidays I haven't received it yet.

I had a knife shipped to me from PA to me in RI last week...went from PA to NY, then to NJ...then FLORIDA, now it's on it's 3-4 day journey back to me in RI (I hope)
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: J-sews on December 23, 2006, 03:06:01 AM: Quote from: Corrugated on December 23, 2006, 02:16:14 AM
I had a knife shipped to me from PA to me in RI last week...went from PA to NY, then to NJ...then FLORIDA, now it's on it's 3-4 day journey back to me in RI (I hope)

I live in Michigan. I'll keep an eye out in case it comes here next. :)
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: CacherX4 on December 23, 2006, 03:35:17 AM: Quote from: plowboy on December 22, 2006, 03:57:28 PM
but given the volume of mail the USPS is handling over the holidays I haven't received it yet.

So much mail people have been working 7-12hr days!!! Don't know how they do it, but I tell you what, they are all walking zombies.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 23, 2006, 03:57:17 AM: Maybe, but Inky was like that before the season too! :P

Def
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: trinity on December 23, 2006, 04:57:45 AM: firstly, ask your wife, lovie,hubby,nobby,bigboy, etc..to blindfold you, then...feel your way around these...
(spirit, x, new wave, charge, core...etc)

then you reply!
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: 665ae on December 23, 2006, 05:58:49 AM: Quote from: trinity on December 23, 2006, 04:57:45 AM
firstly, ask your wife, lovie,hubby,nobby,bigboy, etc..to blindfold you, then...feel your way around these...
(spirit, x, new wave, charge, core...etc)

then you reply!

I'm not falling for that again. The last time she blindfolded me I got slapped. I have horrible aim... >:D
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Travis Autry on December 23, 2006, 05:06:05 PM: Quote
firstly, ask your wife, lovie,hubby,nobby,bigboy, etc..to blindfold you, then...feel your way around these...
(spirit, x, new wave, charge, core...etc)

Hmm. . . feeling of one's tools blindfolded seems just a little bit kinky to me. ???
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: plowboy on December 23, 2006, 06:26:15 PM: I had a knife shipped to me from PA to me in RI last week...went from PA to NY, then to NJ...then FLORIDA, now it's on it's 3-4 day journey back to me in RI (I hope)

Quote

I've got your knife...nice blade.

Seriously, all those guys and gals working for package delivery companies and the USPS are going to be glad to see the holidays pass.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: plowboy on December 23, 2006, 06:27:57 PM: Sorry about messing up the above quote, but I'm slow learning how to do a quote here...technology isn't my strong point.
:)
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: J-sews on December 23, 2006, 10:13:13 PM: Me neither. I'm liable to screw up anything more sophisticated than a rock! :(
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 24, 2006, 01:08:45 AM: Well, maybe anything more sophisticated than a SOG anyways! :P

Def
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Anthony on December 24, 2006, 05:21:55 AM: I work at a local shipping company...truly heartbreaking when some guy comes in with gifts on a Friday at 4:45 PM he needs overnighted to his kids all up and down the east coast. His credit card was smoldering when he left :)
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: J-sews on December 24, 2006, 05:26:51 AM: Quote from: Corrugated on December 24, 2006, 05:21:55 AM
I work at a local shipping company...truly heartbreaking when some guy comes in with gifts on a Friday at 4:45 PM he needs overnighted to his kids all up and down the east coast. His credit card was smoldering when he left :)

But will he learn his lesson and shop earlier next year? If he's anything like me......then probably not. ;)
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: hurricane bob on February 24, 2007, 05:01:54 AM: .

If you don't have a Victorinox multitool, you won't ever understand how well it is made until you get one. They really are in a class by themselves.

Def
Quote

You're right! I couldn't stop thinking about what you said. It took me almost two months, but now I own a Swisstool. Man, what a smooth opener, and no LM handle slop. I'm very impressed. The SwissTool has revived my interest. I keep buying bigger,and bigger tools it seems. First the PST, next the Charge Ti, and now the Vic. Swisstool. The SwissTool is a bit large, but what a beauty. I also own the Vic. Tinker (red handle pocketknife) which is real nice.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 24, 2007, 11:53:58 AM: Well, if the SwissTool is a little large for you then you could always try out the Spirit... same thing, smaller package!

Def
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Dunc on February 24, 2007, 07:48:58 PM: I had to sell my trusty Swisstool RS yesterday to help pay some very big car repair bills but I still have a as new std swisstool on my side as from now ;) also I sent my Spirit in for repair/ replacement today as its always had a bit too much play in the pliers and springs and I could never really gel with it knowing its not right . Will let you all know what happens about that one .

Dunc
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: J-sews on February 25, 2007, 12:35:57 AM: Quote from: dunc5 on February 24, 2007, 07:48:58 PM
I had to sell my trusty Swisstool RS yesterday..........

Dunc

WHAT!? :o No! It cannot be true! The real Dunc would NEVER have sold his RS!

What have you done with Dunc you imposter?!
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: CacherX4 on February 25, 2007, 01:44:13 AM: Quote from: J-sews on February 25, 2007, 12:35:57 AM
Quote from: dunc5 on February 24, 2007, 07:48:58 PM
I had to sell my trusty Swisstool RS yesterday..........

Dunc

WHAT!? :o No! It cannot be true! The real Dunc would NEVER have sold his RS!

What have you done with Dunc you imposter?!

Well, there goes the Swiss forum and all the awesome pics in the great multitool picture thread :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 25, 2007, 02:41:48 AM: We'll have to take up a collection to either buy Dunc a new SwissTool or fix his car!

Def
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Dunc on February 25, 2007, 09:17:33 AM: Guys I still have a std Swisstool ;) and I Will buy another RS as soon as I get the car sorted .Its not too bad , the serrated blade on the std is more then capaple and is in fact a little more suited to everyday tasks . Will miss the scissors but that can be taken care of with a Climber or Swisschamp .Dont worry , me having to sell the RS doesnt mean I'm loosing my Vic interest . I often have to sell items to buy new ones or pay bills

Dunc
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Cheviot on February 25, 2007, 09:33:35 AM: Quote from: dunc5 on February 24, 2007, 07:48:58 PM
I had to sell my trusty Swisstool RS yesterday to help pay some very big car repair bills but I still have a as new std swisstool on my side as from now ;) also I sent my Spirit in for repair/ replacement today as its always had a bit too much play in the pliers and springs and I could never really gel with it knowing its not right . Will let you all know what happens about that one .

Dunc

Gasp :o
Shock :o
Horror :o

Dunc really has been replaced with an imposter!

Newsflash - Newsflash - Newsflash - Newsflash -Newsflash - Newsflash - Newsflash -/- Dunc finds fault with a Swisstool !
[/b]

Rob
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Dunc on February 25, 2007, 09:37:55 AM: Quote from: Cheviot on February 25, 2007, 09:33:35 AM
Quote from: dunc5 on February 24, 2007, 07:48:58 PM
I had to sell my trusty Swisstool RS yesterday to help pay some very big car repair bills but I still have a as new std swisstool on my side as from now ;) also I sent my Spirit in for repair/ replacement today as its always had a bit too much play in the pliers and springs and I could never really gel with it knowing its not right . Will let you all know what happens about that one .

Dunc

Gasp :o
Shock :o
Horror :o

Dunc really has been replaced with an imposter!

Newsflash - Newsflash - Newsflash - Newsflash -Newsflash - Newsflash - Newsflash -/- Dunc finds fault with a Swisstool !
[/b]

Rob

LOL : The faults with the Spirit not the original swisstools ;) What ever happens I will always have a swisstool with me ;)

Dunc
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 25, 2007, 01:33:01 PM: Selling items to pay bills huh? Sounds like you are mistakenly getting my paychecks!

Seriously, I hope everything turns out ok for you.

Def
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: J-sews on February 25, 2007, 02:42:56 PM: As do we all Dunc.

I hate vehicle problems. No matter what breaks, it's always hideously expensive to repair, yet impossible to just ignore and hope it goes away. :(
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 25, 2007, 02:58:03 PM: It's amazing how manufacturers are building cars to the point where you can't do a darned thing with them. Soon you will have to go to an "automotive technician" to put gas in it for you.

The headlights in my Sunfire are burnt out (both DRL, one headlight) and for the life of me I can't figure out how to change the darn things. I bought replacement bulbs, popped the hood figuring it was a two minute job, and spent about 20 minutes scratching my head. There is no convenient twisty bulb mount at the back of the headlight unit, and in fact there is no way to get to it if there were- the frame that holds the radiator in is blocking the backside. So, since you can't get at the back of the light it seemed to make sense that you could just pop off the front cover and replace the bulb just like a regular light bulb. That idea was supported by the small aluminum clips holding the cover on. Or so I thought. I popped off the clips and try as I might, the cover wouldn't come off without breaking. There were no other clips I could find.

So now I have to ask my mechanic to show me how to do it when I take it in for some other work I need done. Luckily I have a good mechanic, something that is worth it's weight in gold. My old mechanic started out good, but soon taking the car in for an oil change or tire rotation was costing me $1500 each time.

Def
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: J-sews on February 26, 2007, 02:31:39 PM: Quote from: dunc5 on February 25, 2007, 09:17:33 AM
...........Dont worry , me having to sell the RS doesnt mean I'm loosing my Vic interest . I often have to sell items to buy new ones or pay bills

Dunc

If it were me in your situation Dunc, I would have sold Def's PowerLock before I would have sold the RS!! :D
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 26, 2007, 02:35:24 PM: Remind me not to loan you any tools....

Def
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Dunc on February 26, 2007, 07:25:46 PM: Quote from: J-sews on February 26, 2007, 02:31:39 PM
Quote from: dunc5 on February 25, 2007, 09:17:33 AM
...........Dont worry , me having to sell the RS doesnt mean I'm loosing my Vic interest . I often have to sell items to buy new ones or pay bills

Dunc

If it were me in your situation Dunc, I would have sold Def's PowerLock before I would have sold the RS!! :D

:D :D :D :D
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: CQC-7 on February 27, 2007, 02:11:03 AM: Car repairs suck. I am thankful that my stepfather is a good mechanic. I have next to no experience in major car repairs. I can change my own oil but I hear that even that is becoming illegal in some places. Darn the man!!!!!!
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: hurricane bob on February 28, 2007, 05:24:33 AM: Darn it, these threads always go in an off direction...
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Dunc on February 28, 2007, 05:30:11 AM: Dont worry I'm sure we can bring it round again :) Sorry for leading it astray

Dunc
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: hurricane bob on February 28, 2007, 05:33:40 AM: It's just as enjoyable :D
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Splat on March 10, 2007, 04:29:08 PM: Quote from: Defender on December 22, 2006, 01:42:12 AM
If you are looking for a heavy duty tool, the SwissTool is probably the way you want to go. If you want something smaller and lighter for edc, go with the Charge.
Def

It all depends what its intended use is/will be. I own my own company and 85% of my jobs I have to use a Phillips or slotted driver. I'd love to get a SwissTool but the drivers on it don't compare to the LM Core's. If I'm EDC my multi then it better be up to the task, as the Core is. I, too, would love Victorinox to make their tools user-modable like SOG. First they gotta make their drivers better.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 11, 2007, 01:50:03 AM: Maybe I just don't use them to the degree that you do, but I have never encountered the SwissTool driver issue. Not that I am doubting there is one because I have heard other folks mention it too.

I just haven't had that problem....

Def
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Tom Munch on March 11, 2007, 03:12:56 AM: I complained that the drivers didn't fit as well as other multitools, but the truth is just that they slip out easier with the stainless. BTW, my brother tells me that many tools don't use stainless now since it is very unfriendly environmentally, & it is very expensive to meet government reg's.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: carl on March 23, 2008, 07:05:12 PM: Quote from: dunc5 on February 24, 2007, 07:48:58 PM
I had to sell my trusty Swisstool RS yesterday to help pay some very big car repair bills but I still have a as new std swisstool on my side as from now ;) also I sent my Spirit in for repair/ replacement today as its always had a bit too much play in the pliers and springs and I could never really gel with it knowing its not right . Will let you all know what happens about that one .

Dunc
Dunc,
What finally happened with the repair of the Spirit? Did it come with excessive plier play when it was new?
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: ducktapehero on March 23, 2008, 07:29:33 PM: As a Spirit owner I will concede that the Phillips screwdriver could be better. It's fine for me as I mostly just do honey-do's. But if someone used it quite often and for hard things I could see where it could come up short.

But the fit and finish on it, and the precise sound of the locks clicking, just the smooth lines of it, it's just beautiful. Mine is being modded right now but I miss it so much. :( But when I get it back it'll be even better. :D
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Dunc on March 23, 2008, 07:42:28 PM: Carl the Spirit came back very quickly and they replaced the plier head :D Its was perfect . Yes it was loose from new but Vic sorted it out .
Funny how things work out , I sold the Spirit and got another RS ::) Couldnt live without it and its been my constant EDC ever since .

Dunc
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 23, 2008, 07:42:35 PM: What are you having done?

I always thought a good boob job would make it the perfect tool! :D

Def
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: ducktapehero on March 23, 2008, 08:05:09 PM: I'm having a pocket clip put on it. And yes, I'm pretty excited about it. :cheers: :drool:
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 23, 2008, 09:05:55 PM: Very cool! :D

Def
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 23, 2008, 09:10:10 PM: I'll second that, a pocket clip is the only thing you could do to improve it in my eyes :)
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Thargor on March 23, 2008, 09:21:53 PM: Id buy one if it wasnt for the horrific blade, I wish they would release one with a proper blade and scissors.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 23, 2008, 09:24:25 PM: Quote from: Thargor on March 23, 2008, 09:21:53 PM
Id buy one if it wasnt for the horrific blade, I wish they would release one with a proper blade and scissors.
I've almost finished turning mine into a warnie (pics to follow) :)
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Thargor on March 23, 2008, 09:28:37 PM: Please do, I want to see that.

Do you thing Victorinox would fix it if it was obvious you'd tried to mod the blade and messed up?
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 23, 2008, 09:30:59 PM: Quote from: Thargor on March 23, 2008, 09:28:37 PM
Please do, I want to see that.

Do you thing Victorinox would fix it if it was obvious you'd tried to mod the blade and messed up?
I sincerly doubt it :D, a chip in the blade's one thing, a severally doctored blades quite another :D

Besides I'm doing it with hand tools so there plenty of time for me to spot mistakes before I make them ;)
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Thargor on March 23, 2008, 10:37:44 PM: Its so annoying because I really, really want one but I know Ill end up selling it again the minute I try to EDC that blade or something with no scissors, surely someone from there must read this site and others, even if they dont they must have some kind of market research division, I dont see how they could have thought it was a good idea to radically change the blade like that.

Im going to email them and tell them I really want either a Swisstool or a Spirit with a OHO blade (not serrated), just to see if they reply.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: carl on March 23, 2008, 10:48:32 PM: Quote from: dunc5 on March 23, 2008, 07:42:28 PM
Carl the Spirit came back very quickly and they replaced the plier head :D Its was perfect . Yes it was loose from new but Vic sorted it out .
Funny how things work out , I sold the Spirit and got another RS ::) Couldnt live without it and its been my constant EDC ever since .

Dunc
Do you prefer to EDC a larger RS over the smaller Spirit? Why so?
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 23, 2008, 11:07:39 PM: Quote from: Thargor on March 23, 2008, 10:37:44 PM
Its so annoying because I really, really want one but I know Ill end up selling it again the minute I try to EDC that blade or something with no scissors, surely someone from there must read this site and others, even if they dont they must have some kind of market research division, I dont see how they could have thought it was a good idea to radically change the blade like that.

Im going to email them and tell them I really want either a Swisstool or a Spirit with a OHO blade (not serrated), just to see if they reply.
I'm sure they have got something in the pipe line, but the problem of law's rear there ugly head's, OHO blade's simply are not legal everywhere in europe, and Victorinox are unlikely to produce a MT that they can't sell in a lot of markets :-\

As for the blade, it really isn't that bad, it's just I hate serrations, if I didn't I'd be quite happy to live with the peanut butter blade :)
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Dunc on March 24, 2008, 10:14:13 AM: Quote from: carl on March 23, 2008, 10:48:32 PM
Quote from: dunc5 on March 23, 2008, 07:42:28 PM
Carl the Spirit came back very quickly and they replaced the plier head :D Its was perfect . Yes it was loose from new but Vic sorted it out .
Funny how things work out , I sold the Spirit and got another RS ::) Couldnt live without it and its been my constant EDC ever since .

Dunc
Do you prefer to EDC a larger RS over the smaller Spirit? Why so?

The larger RS without a doubt . The reason is simple ....... If I really needed a multitool in an emergency would I want the biggest toughest tool on the market or its smaller , lighter more hand friendly smaller brother ? I'm not knocking the spirit its a great tool but for me the Swisstool out performs it .

Dunc
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Styerman on March 25, 2008, 11:11:47 PM: The Swisstool , and its little bro the Spirit would be the be all end all if they had a one hand openable blade . Thats the main reason I use my Waves , Charges etc.

Chris
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: carl on March 26, 2008, 12:25:49 AM: Quote from: Styerman on March 25, 2008, 11:11:47 PM
The Swisstool , and its little bro the Spirit would be the be all end all if they had a one hand openable blade . Thats the main reason I use my Waves , Charges etc.

Chris
The one-hand opener is great but the price to pay for that liner lock is: much wider handles, heavier, less tools overall. I also don't think the other tools will open outwards. You'll notice with the wave/charge, most tools still open inward. Actually, I take that back because the Flik has all tools opening outward plus one-hand opener main blades if I'm not mistaken. that may be the way to go for you.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 26, 2008, 08:46:47 AM: Quote from: carl on March 26, 2008, 12:25:49 AM
Quote from: Styerman on March 25, 2008, 11:11:47 PM
The Swisstool , and its little bro the Spirit would be the be all end all if they had a one hand openable blade . Thats the main reason I use my Waves , Charges etc.

Chris
The one-hand opener is great but the price to pay for that liner lock is: much wider handles, heavier, less tools overall. I also don't think the other tools will open outwards. You'll notice with the wave/charge, most tools still open inward. Actually, I take that back because the Flik has all tools opening outward plus one-hand opener main blades if I'm not mistaken. that may be the way to go for you.
Thats the way I feel about my Charges, the OH blades are great, but it's so wide and covered in hot spot's ::)

Give me a sleek, tool filled Swisstool anyday :)
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Styerman on March 26, 2008, 06:25:53 PM: The existing locking system is more than fine , I would just like a blade shaped like the PE OHT . Your points about the Leatherman wasting space is very valid . but the tool I always need in a hurry when Im up a ladder seems to be a plain edged blade .

Chris
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Dunc on March 26, 2008, 07:00:33 PM: Quite alot of people , myself included carry a knife and a multitool.That way you can have the best of both worlds . While my Swisstool carry hardly ever changes my knife does depending on where I'm going and what I'm doing .

Dunc
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Styerman on March 27, 2008, 03:35:33 AM: Dunc , ya got a good point . You are prolly better of with a Swiss tool , and something like a Spyderco . Horses for courses !

Chris
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: scrappy on March 31, 2008, 12:40:36 AM: hi , I thought I would throw in my two cents. I own 8 swiss tools and over fifty swiss knives. I carry leatherman more often though. my charge came with extra bits, has more screwdriver options than the swiss tool CS plus and the biggie is that the pliers open wider. I work in a shop and there was acuople times i went to adjust a piece of equipment and the swiss tool would not fit but I had used the wave or charge to adjust it a few days before. neither tool is better to me, it just depends on the application.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: carl on March 31, 2008, 06:39:05 AM: Quote from: Styerman on March 26, 2008, 06:25:53 PM
the tool I always need in a hurry when Im up a ladder seems to be a plain edged blade .

Chris
A fixed blade seems like the way to go in that case. no one-handed opening, just pull it out of its sheath and its ready to go.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Carthas on March 31, 2008, 10:00:56 AM: It's interesting that the debate seems to be between Leatherman and Victorinox. Most people seem to toally overlook Gerber and Sog when it comes to "Which tool is best".
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: WhichDawg on March 31, 2008, 11:13:58 AM: Quote from: Carthas on March 31, 2008, 10:00:56 AM
It's interesting that the debate seems to be between Leatherman and Victorinox. Most people seem to toally overlook Gerber and Sog when it comes to "Which tool is best".

just my opinion;
Leatherman started it all and have been working hard (IMO) to stay near/at the top.

Victorinox had the SAKs and came in later (MT) and brought some nice swiss quality to the game.

Sog is really good, their geared pliers really stand out but they weren't as comfortable in the hand and I think it hurt them.

Gerber....is Gerber, many problems (plastic) and pinching and many people think they sold out (outsourcing with quality control) but they are fun.

It may just be good marketing on LM and Vics part, but your right.
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Benner on March 31, 2008, 11:37:41 AM: Quote from: WhichDawg on March 31, 2008, 11:13:58 AM

Gerber....is Gerber, many problems (plastic) and pinching and many people think they sold out (outsourcing with quality control) but they are fun.

Get a decent Gerber and I assure you it will change your opinion on them. ;)
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 31, 2008, 08:16:32 PM: Yeah Gerber have come on a long way recently, They've a long way to go before there at Vic's level, but there good workman like tools :)
Title: Re: i have them all...they still dont come close to the swisstool
Post by: cryptrick on March 31, 2008, 08:41:01 PM: Quote from: Benner on March 31, 2008, 11:37:41 AM
Quote from: WhichDawg on March 31, 2008, 11:13:58 AM

Gerber....is Gerber, many problems (plastic) and pinching and many people think they sold out (outsourcing with quality control) but they are fun.

Get a decent Gerber and I assure you it will change your opinion on them. ;)

Trouble is now, when you say Gerber most people think of the cheaper tools that the supermarkets get flooded with (Resolve/Suspension/Crux etc) because they are in your face. unfortunately not so many people see the USA side of things like the MP400/MP600 which are good tools... not as good as Vic and LM but still do the job without much fuss.