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Title: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 12, 2017, 10:16:43 PM
I am going through the current Gerber catalogue and I decided to see just how many current MP600's there are.  I was a little surprised by the results.

There are a total of 26 different variations, consisting of 18 variations of the basic MP600, four versions of the Pro Scout, three different versions of the MP600 ST, and the MP600 DET.

I have often said that there were more variations of the MP600 than any other tool, but even I was unprepared for the sheer number of variations, and this is just what's currently listed, and doesn't take into account the tan Iraqi Freedom versions, the yellow, red, blue and green ones, the Terminator versions, the MP650's, or the earlier Multiplier versions. 

Nor is it counting the MP400's, MP700's, MP800's or anything else in the Multiplier series, or the current issue Center Drive!   :ahhh

I used to joke that you could center your entire collection on MP600's and probably never get all the variants.... well, it seems that statement is a bit more accurate than I thought!   :ahhh

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Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: zoidberg on March 13, 2017, 12:56:13 AM
I heard rumor that April might be a MP600 challenge month...
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: zoidberg on March 13, 2017, 12:57:12 AM
And before I forget...   :worthless:
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: gregozedobe on March 13, 2017, 02:50:48 AM
There is also the Trailrider MP600 (with hoofpick) variant, the Cable Cutter MP600, and the various First Production Run MP600s, sadly all discontinued, and recently Snap-On have released a re-labelled red MP600 (model smt97r).  Did the 26 include the camo MP600 ?

IIRC The blue, red, yellow and green MP600s were from the "build-your-own-Gerber" process where you could specify a custom tool load-out as well as handle colour, so a huge number of possible combinations there .......  ;)
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: ChrisEDC247 on March 13, 2017, 06:42:30 AM

I used to joke that you could center your entire collection on MP600's and probably never get all the variants.... well, it seems that statement is a bit more accurate than I thought!   :ahhh

Def

And for me the best thing about MP600's and its variations... if you still can't find one that meets your needs, you can mod it easily. My MP600 has a Pro-scout saw blade, Carbide Bluntnose pliers and none of the tools I don't want or need such as a lanyard ring or plain edge blade.

Eventually I'm going to swap out the knife blade for a file in my MP400 to make a bladeless compact multitool. I know modding voids the warranty but I seriously doubt I'd ever send one back because I got spare pieces to go around.
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: zoidberg on March 13, 2017, 07:24:07 AM
Welcome to the forum Chris.   :cheers:   Yup for lego ability the MPs rule. Franken Gerbers just plain rock.   :multi:
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: powernoodle on March 13, 2017, 12:30:32 PM
(http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag137/toddh6/20150723_113920_zpswwzmsmsb.jpg)
Survivor of the 2014-15 burial project.

(http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag137/toddh6/20150722_153717_zpskcn62qez.jpg)
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: ThePeacent on March 13, 2017, 05:12:49 PM
I love the Gerber MTs so much because of this. I have or have had 9 different models and they were all different. I have 4 now (5 if I hadn't "gifted" my latest one in the failed trade I had on January) and all are customized tool-wise to fill different roles.

(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/CAM05831_zps0qjuvwhj.jpg)

It's incredible how many combinations are there, maybe MP stands for Many Possibilities instead of Multi Pliers?  :think:

(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/IMG_20160407_082240_809_zpsgp1nufdz.jpg)

In any case, the best of all is how reliable, tough and just pure "tool-like" they are in all their iterations. From the MP400 to the Legendary MP800 (a true favorite of mine), long live these incredible tools! Maybe someday I'll track them all, they are the true spirit and essence of the good old Gerber name :drool:
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 13, 2017, 05:46:38 PM
And before I forget...   :worthless:

Since I don't have all of the variations to take pictures of, these screenshots from the price list will have to suffice for now!

Def
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 13, 2017, 05:49:41 PM
There is also the Trailrider MP600 (with hoofpick) variant, the Cable Cutter MP600, and the various First Production Run MP600s, sadly all discontinued, and recently Snap-On have released a re-labelled red MP600 (model smt97r).  Did the 26 include the camo MP600 ?

IIRC The blue, red, yellow and green MP600s were from the "build-your-own-Gerber" process where you could specify a custom tool load-out as well as handle colour, so a huge number of possible combinations there .......  ;)

Here's the 26 I have listed, with item and UPC numbers and descriptions, in case the pics above aren't legible.

MP600 BASIC   07500      0-13658-07500-9   Multi-Plier 600 - Bluntnose Stainless   Box
MP600 BASIC   07520      0-13658-07520-7   Multi-Plier 600 - Bluntnose Black   Box
MP600 BASIC   07530      0-13658-07530-6   Multi-Plier 600 - Needlenose Stainless   Box
MP600 BASIC   07550      0-13658-07550-4   Multi-Plier 600 - Needlenose Black   Box
MP600 BASIC   47530      0-13658-47530-4   Multi-Plier 600 - Needlenose Stainless   Blister
MP600 BASIC   47550      0-13658-47550-2   Multi-Plier 600 - Needlenose Black   Blister
MP600 BASIC   07500G      0-13658-07500-9   Multi-Plier 600 - Bluntnose Stainless w/ Carbide Insert Cutters, Sheath   Box
MP600 BASIC   07505G      0-13658-07505-4   Multi-Plier 600 - Bluntnose Stainless w/ Carbide Insert Cutters, Leather Sheath   Box
MP600 BASIC   07510G      0-13658-07510-8   Multi-Plier 600 - Bluntnose Stainless w/Carbide Insert Cutters & Tool Kit, Sheath   Box
MP600 BASIC   07520G1      0-13658-07520-7   Multi-Plier 600 - Bluntnose Black w/Carbide Insert Cutters, Berry-Compliant Sheath    Box
MP600 BASIC   07530G      0-13658-06891-9   Multi-Plier 600 - Needlenose  Stainless w/ Carbide Insert Cutters, Sheath   Box
MP600 BASIC   07535G      0-13658-07535-1   Multi-Plier 600 - Needlenose  Stainless w/ Carbide Insert Cutters, Leather Sheath   Box
MP600 BASIC   07550G1      0-13658-06895-7   Multi-Plier 600 - Needlenose  Black w/ Carbide Insert Cutters, Berry-Compliant Sheath    Box
MP600 BASIC   30-000314      0-13658-12059-4   Multi-Plier 600 - Needlenose Black w/ Carbide Insert Cutters, Leather Sheatth   Box
MP600 BASIC   30-000453      0-13658-12515-5   Multi-Plier 600 - Needlenose Black w/ Carbide Insert Cutters, (TAN499) Berry-Compliant Sheath    Box
MP600 BASIC   30-000952      0-13658-14072-1   MP600 - Bladeless   Box
MP600 BASIC   30-000952      0-13658-14072-1   Multi-Plier 600 - Bladeless - Needlenose Black   Box
MP600 BASIC   31-002727      0-13658-14522-1   Multi-Plier 600 - Needlenose Stainless   Fr/Eng Blister
MP600 DET   07400      0-13658-07400-2   Multi-Plier 600 - DET Black, Sheath   Box
MP600 PRO SCOUT   07563      0-13658-07563-4   Multi-Plier 600 - Pro Scout Needlenose Stainless, Sheath   Box
MP600 PRO SCOUT   07564      0-13658-07564-1   Multi-Plier 600 - Pro Scout Needlenose Stainless, w/ Tool Kit, Sheath   Box
MP600 PRO SCOUT   07570      0-13658-07570-2   Maintenance Kit - Multi-Plier 600 / Firecracker Flashlight Combo   Box
MP600 PRO SCOUT   47563      0-13658-47563-2   Multi-Plier 600 - Pro Scout Needlenose Stainless, Sheath   Blister
MP600 ST   30-000513      0-13658-12767-8   Multi-Plier 600-ST (Sight Tool), Black, Berry-Compliant Sheath   Box
MP600 ST   30-000588      0-13658-12990-0   Multi-Plier 600-ST (Sight Tool), Black, Sheath   Box
MP600 ST   31-001519      0-13658-12989-4   Multi-Plier 600-ST (Sight Tool), Black, Sheath   Blister


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Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Gareth on March 13, 2017, 06:17:51 PM
Now what I don't get is why LM doesn't do the same? :think:  So we get a Rebar, a BO Rebar and a knifeless Rebar, but that's about it AFAIK.  So much scope for more.
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: zoidberg on March 13, 2017, 10:58:58 PM
I think that list is stretching it a bit.

For example, the bluntnose only comes with insert cutters now, so bluntnose black and bluntnose black with inserts are the same thing.
And again for the packaging, sheath types, tool kits and flashlight etc.

Really you have five models, basic, pro scout, blade less, det, and sight tool.
I believe it's only with the basic model that you can choose between a few options.
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: sLaughterMed on March 13, 2017, 11:41:16 PM
I think that list is stretching it a bit.

For example, the bluntnose only comes with insert cutters now, so bluntnose black and bluntnose black with inserts are the same thing.
And again for the packaging, sheath types, tool kits and flashlight etc.

Really you have five models, basic, pro scout, blade less, det, and sight tool.
I believe it's only with the basic model that you can choose between a few options.
Yup, I feel like saying there are currently 26 variants in production is a little disingenuous, seeing as most of the variations are just packaging differences, or the same tool with different accessories. 
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: powernoodle on March 13, 2017, 11:52:38 PM
There are too many versions from my brain to handle.  So I don't try.  Though I can tell the difference between blunt nose and not blunt nose.
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Don Pablo on March 13, 2017, 11:56:42 PM
There are too many versions from my brain to handle.  So I don't try.  Though I can tell the difference between blunt nose and not blunt nose.
Whats the difference?  :P
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: ChrisEDC247 on March 14, 2017, 01:24:53 AM
Really you have five models, basic, pro scout, blade less, det, and sight tool.
I believe it's only with the basic model that you can choose between a few options.

Agreed. It's like ingredients at Taco Bell. Cheese that, beef this and fold it up differently and it's a whole new menu item. The Gerbers all seem to swap similar components around, even the new Center Drive is pretty much half MP600. That said, there's something for getting the tool you want in the color you want with your choice of sheath. In this day and age, people want choices.
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2017, 01:08:18 AM
Half MP600?

Got to disagree with you there. The only things the Center Drive has in common with the MP600 is the serrated blade and file.  Two components are the same, everything else is new and purpose built for the Center Drive.

Seems pretty different to me.

Def
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Poncho65 on March 15, 2017, 02:40:06 AM
Now what I don't get is why LM doesn't do the same? :think:  So we get a Rebar, a BO Rebar and a knifeless Rebar, but that's about it AFAIK.  So much scope for more.

That is exactly what I was thinking as I was reading this as well :facepalm: If nothing else just have several different options available for order on the website and through dealers in a book :ahhh I would pay more for a tool (Read that as a LM Rebar :whistle: ) I could get that would fit my needs better if I could choose what was on it :D

Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: JP on March 15, 2017, 03:03:24 AM
And before I forget...   :worthless:

Since I don't have all of the variations to take pictures of, these screenshots from the price list will have to suffice for now!

Def
Wait a minute! How long have you been carrying stuff for me to buy?
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: ChrisEDC247 on March 15, 2017, 04:49:18 AM
Half MP600?

Got to disagree with you there. The only things the Center Drive has in common with the MP600 is the serrated blade and file.  Two components are the same, everything else is new and purpose built for the Center Drive.

Seems pretty different to me.

Def

Your right it's almost all new exclusive tools. I misspoke. What I meant to say isn't so much that the "Center Drive is half-MP600" and more that "Gerber likes to reuse components and engineering when possible".

It's an efficient way to do business. Kind of like how automakers share body platforms. One handle of the new Center Drive looks pretty much like a CAD copy/paste of the MP600 with added parts. Now they don't have to stamp out 20 different serrated blades. They've got one in two colors that fit into 20 or so models. Would your average collector consider those variations desirable like how SAK-collectors will buy a tool just for the scale colors? Likely not to that extent but it's a windfall for the average consumer who gets what they want without having to buy something else.

I would actually love to see the Center Drive awl and prybar come to the MP600 side or visa versa, scissors being the first big one. I doubt that will happen anytime soon because the CD is such a money maker. If I could stand losing a long tool on the CD, thanks to the MP600 platform: I could buy another tool, sacrifice my warranty and possibly do that swap myself.
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2017, 11:37:40 AM
And before I forget...   :worthless:

Since I don't have all of the variations to take pictures of, these screenshots from the price list will have to suffice for now!

Def
Wait a minute! How long have you been carrying stuff for me to buy?

I started carrying SOG within the past couple of weeks, but I am also an authorised Gerber dealer and have access to a number of other brands.

I'll be making a big announcement in a couple of days, so don't go too far.  :D

Def
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: JP on March 15, 2017, 11:39:16 AM
Sweet.

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Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2017, 11:50:32 AM
The great thing is, you'll be able to handle something before you buy, and you get to save the shipping.  :D

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Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2017, 11:52:45 AM
Half MP600?

Got to disagree with you there. The only things the Center Drive has in common with the MP600 is the serrated blade and file.  Two components are the same, everything else is new and purpose built for the Center Drive.

Seems pretty different to me.

Def

Your right it's almost all new exclusive tools. I misspoke. What I meant to say isn't so much that the "Center Drive is half-MP600" and more that "Gerber likes to reuse components and engineering when possible".

It's an efficient way to do business. Kind of like how automakers share body platforms. One handle of the new Center Drive looks pretty much like a CAD copy/paste of the MP600 with added parts. Now they don't have to stamp out 20 different serrated blades. They've got one in two colors that fit into 20 or so models. Would your average collector consider those variations desirable like how SAK-collectors will buy a tool just for the scale colors? Likely not to that extent but it's a windfall for the average consumer who gets what they want without having to buy something else.

I would actually love to see the Center Drive awl and prybar come to the MP600 side or visa versa, scissors being the first big one. I doubt that will happen anytime soon because the CD is such a money maker. If I could stand losing a long tool on the CD, thanks to the MP600 platform: I could buy another tool, sacrifice my warranty and possibly do that swap myself.

I guess I am so used to hearing people bash Gerber that I assumed that was what you were doing.  Sorry about that.  :D

I am surprised there isn't a BO version of the Center-Drive, especially considering that it is half BO already.

Def
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: zoidberg on March 15, 2017, 12:10:44 PM
I am surprised there isn't a BO version of the Center-Drive, especially considering that it is half BO already.

Def

I'm not surprised...   :whistle:   :whistle:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5805/23093417429_788036aaf6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BbFNrt)
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: ThePeacent on March 15, 2017, 05:24:19 PM
And before I forget...   :worthless:

Since I don't have all of the variations to take pictures of, these screenshots from the price list will have to suffice for now!

Def
Wait a minute! How long have you been carrying stuff for me to buy?

I started carrying SOG within the past couple of weeks, but I am also an authorised Gerber dealer and have access to a number of other brands.

I'll be making a big announcement in a couple of days, so don't go too far.  :D

Def

Killing my wallet this year, boss, slow down... :-\

nah, can't wait for more new interesting stuff really. Come on, talk!  :pok:
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: ReamerPunch on March 15, 2017, 06:19:52 PM
I'll be making a big announcement in a couple of days, so don't go too far.  :D

 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2017, 06:49:30 PM
And before I forget...   :worthless:

Since I don't have all of the variations to take pictures of, these screenshots from the price list will have to suffice for now!

Def
Wait a minute! How long have you been carrying stuff for me to buy?

I started carrying SOG within the past couple of weeks, but I am also an authorised Gerber dealer and have access to a number of other brands.

I'll be making a big announcement in a couple of days, so don't go too far.  :D

Def

Killing my wallet this year, boss, slow down... :-\

nah, can't wait for more new interesting stuff really. Come on, talk!  :pok:

If all goes well.... Friday....

 :pok:

Def
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: JP on March 15, 2017, 06:52:02 PM
Can we order Friday? We will be drunk and loose with our money.

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Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2017, 10:01:50 PM
If you promise not to tell anyone.....

Store.Multitool.org

But you didn't hear it from me.....

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Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: ChrisEDC247 on March 16, 2017, 06:01:45 AM
Half MP600?

Got to disagree with you there. The only things the Center Drive has in common with the MP600 is the serrated blade and file.  Two components are the same, everything else is new and purpose built for the Center Drive.

Seems pretty different to me.

Def

Your right it's almost all new exclusive tools. I misspoke. What I meant to say isn't so much that the "Center Drive is half-MP600" and more that "Gerber likes to reuse components and engineering when possible".

It's an efficient way to do business. Kind of like how automakers share body platforms. One handle of the new Center Drive looks pretty much like a CAD copy/paste of the MP600 with added parts. Now they don't have to stamp out 20 different serrated blades. They've got one in two colors that fit into 20 or so models. Would your average collector consider those variations desirable like how SAK-collectors will buy a tool just for the scale colors? Likely not to that extent but it's a windfall for the average consumer who gets what they want without having to buy something else.

I would actually love to see the Center Drive awl and prybar come to the MP600 side or visa versa, scissors being the first big one. I doubt that will happen anytime soon because the CD is such a money maker. If I could stand losing a long tool on the CD, thanks to the MP600 platform: I could buy another tool, sacrifice my warranty and possibly do that swap myself.

I guess I am so used to hearing people bash Gerber that I assumed that was what you were doing.  Sorry about that.  :D

I am surprised there isn't a BO version of the Center-Drive, especially considering that it is half BO already.

Def

No worries! I never understood why people bash Gerber... the company has its issues... but the MP600 has been around for 20 years for good reason. It's not as finessed as some other MTs, its a beater tool. But beater tools are the tools you actually use.

Speaking of 20 years  :o, next year we should see an obligatory 20th anniversary edition MP600.  :D
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 16, 2017, 12:39:08 PM
What I find amusing about Gerber is that they are actual military issue.  And not because they are cheap, but because they are what the military wants and needs, so well that many military contracts specified Gerbers.  Or rather, they called for "sliding head plier tools" since they couldn't specify a certain brand, but as that was protected by Gerber's patent for years, that's basically as close as they could get.  Kind of like saying "we can do it any day of the week that you like, as long as it begins with a T and I'm out of town on Thursday."

Other manufacturers (not mentioning names) claim to have military tools, but have never actually been issued, and likely never will be due to price and other issues. 

When the military contract called for a butterfly opening tool, Gerber actually beat out the PST to fill the military order with the MPT (http://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=MPT).  Fast forward a number of years and Leatherman produces the OHT, their own version of the sliding head multitool to try and steal military contracts now that Gerber's patent has expired, and as far as I know, no military organization has purchased the OHT with intent to issue it to troops, but the MP600 is still going strong.

So to recap, Gerber and Leatherman went head to head twice, first on Leatherman's turf and then on Gerber's, and Gerber won both times.

Wit facts like that, I have no idea why people bash Gerber.

Def
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: ChrisEDC247 on March 17, 2017, 01:05:27 AM
What I find amusing about Gerber is that they are actual military issue.  And not because they are cheap, but because they are what the military wants and needs, so well that many military contracts specified Gerbers.  Or rather, they called for "sliding head plier tools" since they couldn't specify a certain brand, but as that was protected by Gerber's patent for years, that's basically as close as they could get.  Kind of like saying "we can do it any day of the week that you like, as long as it begins with a T and I'm out of town on Thursday."

Other manufacturers (not mentioning names) claim to have military tools, but have never actually been issued, and likely never will be due to price and other issues. 

When the military contract called for a butterfly opening tool, Gerber actually beat out the PST to fill the military order with the MPT (http://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=MPT).  Fast forward a number of years and Leatherman produces the OHT, their own version of the sliding head multitool to try and steal military contracts now that Gerber's patent has expired, and as far as I know, no military organization has purchased the OHT with intent to issue it to troops, but the MP600 is still going strong.

So to recap, Gerber and Leatherman went head to head twice, first on Leatherman's turf and then on Gerber's, and Gerber won both times.

Wit facts like that, I have no idea why people bash Gerber.

Def

Public perception is a fickle thing. I guess there's just something about human nature that wants to pick teams. As for Gerber they have such a large catalog of products across many different price points, it seems people remember them for the lowest end stuff. Nobody talks about the MP1 is because everybody is talking about how cheesy the Bear Gryls survival tool is. Add in contagious YouTube channel fanboyism and some good old fashioned "never touched one" and "bashing" is the response you get.

Leatherman caters to a more enthusiast market, so the tool that grabs everybody's attention is typically a $150 Charge TTL. Then Leatherman has a bunch of options for the customer down market. It's the halo-car model... my brother wanted a Dodge Viper, looked at a Dodge Challenger and bought a Dodge Charger. It's not a bad thing, it works for them.

I own MTs from all different brands and I'm lucky to not have a die-hard favorite or bash anybody because then I get to enjoy them all. Love my Juice S2, it's a classy tool, but on most weekends I carry an MP400 for a multitude of reasons, even though they have nearly identical tool sets.

I'm really glad the Center Drive is doing well for Gerber, the marketing was a little over the top, (Badassadors?? Oh lord :facepalm:) but they had to cut through all the noise.
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 17, 2017, 03:20:14 PM
You are absolutely correct, but there is one more factor to add- the Talladega Nights Factor. 

Whoever comes in second is king of the losers.   Positions three and four (etc) are kitsch or underdogs so people love them, but second place is just plain distasteful. If you're not first, you're last.

Even Jerry Seinfeld commented on it, at least in regards to the Olympics. 

https://youtu.be/xK9rbwM3omA

Congratulations, you almost won.....  :facepalm:

Def
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: ThePeacent on March 17, 2017, 03:53:44 PM
What I find amusing about Gerber is that they are actual military issue.  And not because they are cheap, but because they are what the military wants and needs, so well that many military contracts specified Gerbers.  Or rather, they called for "sliding head plier tools" since they couldn't specify a certain brand, but as that was protected by Gerber's patent for years, that's basically as close as they could get.  Kind of like saying "we can do it any day of the week that you like, as long as it begins with a T and I'm out of town on Thursday."

Other manufacturers (not mentioning names) claim to have military tools, but have never actually been issued, and likely never will be due to price and other issues. 

When the military contract called for a butterfly opening tool, Gerber actually beat out the PST to fill the military order with the MPT (http://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=MPT).  Fast forward a number of years and Leatherman produces the OHT, their own version of the sliding head multitool to try and steal military contracts now that Gerber's patent has expired, and as far as I know, no military organization has purchased the OHT with intent to issue it to troops, but the MP600 is still going strong.

So to recap, Gerber and Leatherman went head to head twice, first on Leatherman's turf and then on Gerber's, and Gerber won both times.

Wit facts like that, I have no idea why people bash Gerber.

Def

Public perception is a fickle thing. I guess there's just something about human nature that wants to pick teams. As for Gerber they have such a large catalog of products across many different price points, it seems people remember them for the lowest end stuff. Nobody talks about the MP1 is because everybody is talking about how cheesy the Bear Gryls survival tool is. Add in contagious YouTube channel fanboyism and some good old fashioned "never touched one" and "bashing" is the response you get.

Leatherman caters to a more enthusiast market, so the tool that grabs everybody's attention is typically a $150 Charge TTL. Then Leatherman has a bunch of options for the customer down market. It's the halo-car model... my brother wanted a Dodge Viper, looked at a Dodge Challenger and bought a Dodge Charger. It's not a bad thing, it works for them.

I own MTs from all different brands and I'm lucky to not have a die-hard favorite or bash anybody because then I get to enjoy them all. Love my Juice S2, it's a classy tool, but on most weekends I carry an MP400 for a multitude of reasons, even though they have nearly identical tool sets.

I'm really glad the Center Drive is doing well for Gerber, the marketing was a little over the top, (Badassadors?? Oh lord :facepalm:) but they had to cut through all the noise.

We share opinion here. Unfortunately for them, Gerber's rebranding and the cheap BG Stuff and Chinese lines of products came when the Internet, Amazon, Youtube and forums were really starting to grow. Some opinions and angry, deceived people quickly spread their words and bad, uninformed or biased reviews popped up every day
I like most of my Gerbers over most of my Leathermans and really love their old products, and while I don't care for 99% of their newer stuff I can't stand all the bashing they get from those that have never even tried or handled them,  they were big once and deserve all respect from true fans that held them in such high regard for years!
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 17, 2017, 05:47:45 PM
Also agreed.

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Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 17, 2017, 06:12:57 PM
If you promise not to tell anyone.....

Store.Multitool.org

But you didn't hear it from me.....

Def
  :tu:
Whaaaaaaatttt!!  :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh So exciting! looks great! hope its super successful! Now to explore  :tu:
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: ThePeacent on March 17, 2017, 07:29:51 PM
this beauty just arrived!
It sure feels like an upgraded MP600 at first sight,

(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170317_180156_zpsxsjsh3py.jpg)

time will tell. Only  :oops: for me as of now it's the plastic sliding tabs/inserts
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 17, 2017, 08:22:00 PM
If you promise not to tell anyone.....

Store.Multitool.org

But you didn't hear it from me.....

Def
  :tu:
Whaaaaaaatttt!!  :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh So exciting! looks great! hope its super successful! Now to explore  :tu:

It's a soft launch at the moment.... trying to sort out some issues.  It is live though, in case you see anything you want to pull the trigger on.  :D

Def
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 17, 2017, 08:22:44 PM
this beauty just arrived!
It sure feels like an upgraded MP600 at first sight,

(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170317_180156_zpsxsjsh3py.jpg)

time will tell. Only  :oops: for me as of now it's the plastic sliding tabs/inserts

That looks sweet in BO!

Def
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 17, 2017, 09:10:10 PM
If you promise not to tell anyone.....

Store.Multitool.org

But you didn't hear it from me.....

Def
  :tu:
Whaaaaaaatttt!!  :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh So exciting! looks great! hope its super successful! Now to explore  :tu:

It's a soft launch at the moment.... trying to sort out some issues.  It is live though, in case you see anything you want to pull the trigger on.  :D

Def

I think I found your phone number! Unless you have a staff, that is. You can expect a wakeup call at approximately 3am every morning! ;)
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 17, 2017, 09:56:42 PM
My number has never been a secret...

And joke is on you, as an insomniac I could probably use a phone call at 3am to break up the monotony.  :P

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Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: ChrisEDC247 on March 18, 2017, 12:48:12 AM
If you promise not to tell anyone.....

Store.Multitool.org

But you didn't hear it from me.....

Def
  :tu:
Whaaaaaaatttt!!  :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh So exciting! looks great! hope its super successful! Now to explore  :tu:

It's a soft launch at the moment.... trying to sort out some issues.  It is live though, in case you see anything you want to pull the trigger on.  :D

Def

Congrats on the new Webstore! Those patent tees look awesome! Is it tough to ship to the States?
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: powernoodle on March 18, 2017, 01:05:53 AM
Whats the difference?  :P

One grabs boogers better.  I can't remember which one.
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: ChrisEDC247 on March 18, 2017, 05:28:16 AM
Whats the difference?  :P

One grabs boogers better.  I can't remember which one.


 :facepalm:

The needle nose.

Learned that the hard way. :oops:

 :rofl:


 
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 18, 2017, 02:25:18 PM
If you promise not to tell anyone.....

Store.Multitool.org

But you didn't hear it from me.....

Def
  :tu:
Whaaaaaaatttt!!  :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh So exciting! looks great! hope its super successful! Now to explore  :tu:

It's a soft launch at the moment.... trying to sort out some issues.  It is live though, in case you see anything you want to pull the trigger on.  :D

Def

Congrats on the new Webstore! Those patent tees look awesome! Is it tough to ship to the States?

Not in the least.  I do it many times each week.

Oh yeah... and I'm a factory authorised Gerber dealer with access to the entire Gerber catalogue, including knives, multitools, flashlights, axes and all the Bear Grylls branded stuff you can handle.  :D

You know, in case anyone around here is interested in multitools, knives, flashlights, axes and/or Bear Grylls branded stuff.....

Def
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: ChrisEDC247 on March 18, 2017, 08:48:42 PM
If you promise not to tell anyone.....

Store.Multitool.org

But you didn't hear it from me.....

Def
  :tu:
Whaaaaaaatttt!!  :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh So exciting! looks great! hope its super successful! Now to explore  :tu:

It's a soft launch at the moment.... trying to sort out some issues.  It is live though, in case you see anything you want to pull the trigger on.  :D

Def

Congrats on the new Webstore! Those patent tees look awesome! Is it tough to ship to the States?

Not in the least.  I do it many times each week.

Oh yeah... and I'm a factory authorised Gerber dealer with access to the entire Gerber catalogue, including knives, multitools, flashlights, axes and all the Bear Grylls branded stuff you can handle.  :D

You know, in case anyone around here is interested in multitools, knives, flashlights, axes and/or Bear Grylls branded stuff.....

Def

BG goods you say?

Yeah I'll take TWENTY Bear Grylls Survival Ponchos and a BG Compact Survival Compass.

COME AT ME NATURE!  :tu:


Can't help but poke a little fun at BG. ;) But seriously, I just paged through Gerber's 2017 catalogue and it is a headache to read. There's USA products next to Chinese products, S30V next to 7CR15MOV and nothing is clearly arranged by purpose. For a company that has a lot of branding they don't delineate their lines very well. There's a table of contents but no section headers (only footers). Gerber desperately needs to revamp their catalog and stop putting things in just alphabetical order. Not bashing, just saying.
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Dtrain on March 19, 2017, 05:56:09 PM
I think back in the Nineties Mac Tools also contracted out with Gerber for a Multi Tool
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 19, 2017, 10:36:33 PM
I think back in the Nineties Mac Tools also contracted out with Gerber for a Multi Tool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZt-pOc3moc

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Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Alan K. on March 31, 2017, 06:06:43 AM
I've wanted a new Gerber for a long time but there's just way too much information. :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

Just tell me please, if you have a spare moment, which models come with scissors so I can upgrade from my 25 year old Mr. Pinchy.  I am aware of the Diesel and the MP400.  Are there any other MP models with scissors? 
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: zoidberg on March 31, 2017, 08:33:04 AM
I've wanted a new Gerber for a long time but there's just way too much information. :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

Just tell me please, if you have a spare moment, which models come with scissors so I can upgrade from my 25 year old Mr. Pinchy.  I am aware of the Diesel and the MP400.  Are there any other MP models with scissors? 

Yeah 600 bladeless and 600 pro scout.
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 31, 2017, 12:43:42 PM
Given the choice, I'd go with the Pro Scout as it also has the saw blade exchanger. 

I really like the Pro Scout- in fact, I liked it so much, I put my name on it.  :D

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/MP600_logo.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/MP600_logo.jpg.html)

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/MP600_closeup.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/MP600_closeup.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Alan K. on April 03, 2017, 03:14:50 AM
I like the pro scout. Thanks for suggesting it but how about any models with scissors and a blunt nose pliers?  Or is that asking too much? :pok:
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: zoidberg on April 03, 2017, 03:29:25 AM
I like the pro scout. Thanks for suggesting it but how about any models with scissors and a blunt nose pliers?  Or is that asking too much? :pok:

Yup, you're asking too much. Kind of my point back a page. Good news is swapping pliers over is a very easy two minute job.
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: ChrisEDC247 on April 04, 2017, 02:41:22 AM
I like the pro scout. Thanks for suggesting it but how about any models with scissors and a blunt nose pliers?  Or is that asking too much? :pok:

Yup, you're asking too much. Kind of my point back a page. Good news is swapping pliers over is a very easy two minute job.

That's basically how my Gerber evolved. Started with a Pro-Scout, it's got a great selection of tools. Then I wanted carbide cutters, the bigger flathead and a fully serrated knife... so I got a Basic MP600 w/ Cutters and combined them together and dumped the combo edge blade and can opener. Then recently I swapped out the Needlenose for the Bluntnose. That was a breeze! Now I have a Plano box of spare parts if anything breaks (which hasn't happened). Plus I can maintain my MT better because if it gets very muddy, I can open it up and give it a thorough cleaning.

Gerber hacking is fun and easy!  :tu:
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: ChrisEDC247 on April 04, 2017, 03:40:41 AM
I've really got to stop mentioning Gerber hacking on an unrelated thread.  :facepalm:

But it just goes to show, the MP600 platform works. If you're a regular Joe, there's enough variation to keep 99% of folks happy. If your a super user, Gerber keeps the window open for hacking. It's not quite "buy individual parts like SOG does" but I think the system works.
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: Poncho65 on April 06, 2017, 03:45:48 PM
Hacking made easy has sure made my Gerber carrying a lot more pleasurable than it could have been :D :like:

I  just wish the diamond file and that long reach Phillips were available on more models though :ahhh
Title: Re: Gerber MP600- one for every need?
Post by: zoidberg on April 07, 2017, 02:26:53 AM
If they couldn't be hacked I probably wouldn't carry a MP. I think the ones I would consider carrying fall into the discontinued category.