I voted "No, it's not a Puukko, it's a Mora knife" ;):iagree:
Simply put, it's similar in use, function and partly tradition, but it and also the Norwegian Tollekniv are their own entities.
So, I would say Garberg is modernized Mora knife (Mora is much more than just a trade mark) :cheers:
Also, no Finn would ever call a Mora "Puukko" and vice versa for the Swedes >:D
Voted don't know. I think it looks like a puukko, but that is based on assumption not on any meaningful knowledge... and certainly after what Alephy and RFingy have just said, I would be hesitant to contradict them as they're in a position to know a lot more than me.Same boat here! I'm still unclear on what a puukko is. :rofl:
Pssst Nix... still looks* like a puukko though...
*Doesn't mean it is.
I voted "No, it's not a Puukko, it's a Mora knife" ;)
Simply put, it's similar in use, function and partly tradition, but it and also the Norwegian Tollekniv are their own entities.
So, I would say Garberg is modernized Mora knife (Mora is much more than just a trade mark) :cheers:
Also, no Finn would ever call a Mora "Puukko" and vice versa for the Swedes >:D
Also, no Finn would ever call a Mora "Puukko" and vice versa for the Swedes >:D
My professional opinion is, I don't know smurf. :facepalm:
I voted "No, it's not a Puukko, it's a Mora knife" ;):iagree:
Simply put, it's similar in use, function and partly tradition, but it and also the Norwegian Tollekniv are their own entities.
So, I would say Garberg is modernized Mora knife (Mora is much more than just a trade mark) :cheers:
Also, no Finn would ever call a Mora "Puukko" and vice versa for the Swedes >:D
My professional opinion is, I don't know smurf. :facepalm:
:imws: :rofl:
It's a a Bushpuukkocraft knife :D
These guys think it's a Puukko:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ksx2CuX.png)
....and a bushcraft knife... :facepalm:
The last one looks nice, but it's not Finnish :pok: :D
There probably are different opinions about this, but mine is, if it's not made in Finland or by a Finnish person it's not a Puukko :)
There probably are different opinions about this, but mine is, if it's not made in Finland or by a Finnish person it's not a Puukko :)
(But, do note there are specific "requirements" of a proper tollekniv, which a Mora doesn't fulfil. They are different, they are just much more similar to each other than a puukko is to either of them.)
I guess to most people outside the Nordics a scandi grind is a scandi grind, whether it's Finnish, Swedish or Norwegian... :dunno:
(But, do note there are specific "requirements" of a proper tollekniv, which a Mora doesn't fulfil. They are different, they are just much more similar to each other than a puukko is to either of them.)
I guess to most people outside the Nordics a scandi grind is a scandi grind, whether it's Finnish, Swedish or Norwegian... :dunno:
Yeah, probably. But, we probably look and sound the same to them as people as well. :D
That said, I wish I could get Tupla in Norway. I really like those. :D
(But, do note there are specific "requirements" of a proper tollekniv, which a Mora doesn't fulfil. They are different, they are just much more similar to each other than a puukko is to either of them.)
Well, just as I said before, all three are their own separate entities, none of them are quite the same :)
(But, do note there are specific "requirements" of a proper tollekniv, which a Mora doesn't fulfil. They are different, they are just much more similar to each other than a puukko is to either of them.)
Well, just as I said before, all three are their own separate entities, none of them are quite the same :)
Exactly, I was just trying to clarify my own position in the context of an earlier post.
There probably are different opinions about this, but mine is, if it's not made in Finland or by a Finnish person it's not a Puukko :)
One thing I've noted is that people outside the Nordics rarely seem to "grok" the difference between puukko and a Mora and a tollekniv. To me, a puukko is clearly different from a classic tollekniv and I find it strange, but understandable that a lot of people see them as the same thing. The Mora and the tollekniv, on the other hand, I don't have much of a problem regarding as pretty much the same thing. The puukko, on the other hand, has a distinct identity.
There probably are different opinions about this, but mine is, if it's not made in Finland or by a Finnish person it's not a Puukko :)
So...only Louisianan can make Bowie knife? :think:
Only a Japanese knife maker can make a Tanto? :think:
What if an American of Finnish and Swedish ancestry made a knife that looked just like a Puukko in New Jersey? :think:
What if Russian emigrated to Finland and started making Puukkos? :think:
There probably are different opinions about this, but mine is, if it's not made in Finland or by a Finnish person it's not a Puukko :)
So...only Louisianan can make Bowie knife? :think:
Only a Japanese knife maker can make a Tanto? :think:
What if an American of Finnish and Swedish ancestry made a knife that looked just like a Puukko in New Jersey? :think:
What if Russian emigrated to Finland and started making Puukkos? :think:
Would you buy a Bowie knife made outside US?
Would you buy a Mora not made in Sweden?
Would you buy a Victorinox not made in Switzerland?
:pok:
And note, whether to not I'd buy a Canadian Bowie, doesn't make a difference to whether or not a knife could be called a Bowie.
A SAK made in Germany could still be called a SAK.
A Mora made in Taiwan would still be called a Mora.
But, what exactly defines a Puukko, and how is that different from a Tollekniv?
How is this Helle different from a Puukko?
(http://helle.no/media/2012/01/Fjellkniven-540x119.jpg)
I voted "No, it's not a Puukko, it's a Mora knife" ;):iagree:
Simply put, it's similar in use, function and partly tradition, but it and also the Norwegian Tollekniv are their own entities.
So, I would say Garberg is modernized Mora knife (Mora is much more than just a trade mark) :cheers:
Also, no Finn would ever call a Mora "Puukko" and vice versa for the Swedes >:D
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Something like this, for instance:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4-p7NtorHU0/R0KfuKDYhhI/AAAAAAAABdY/eYw-cR0mJc8/s1600/Einarsen-10a.jpg)
I agree it's pretty confusing, especially since even a small country like Norway have many local traditions, each maker has their own style, etc, etc.
Source for picture: http://kniver.blogspot.com/search/label/Bj%C3%B8rn%20Einarsen
I voted "No, it's not a Puukko, it's a Mora knife" ;)
Simply put, it's similar in use, function and partly tradition, but it and also the Norwegian Tollekniv are their own entities.
So, I would say Garberg is modernized Mora knife (Mora is much more than just a trade mark) :cheers:
Also, no Finn would ever call a Mora "Puukko" and vice versa for the Swedes >:D
Whats interesting is Helle doesn't list any Puukkos on their site. I may have missed something but I don't think so. I have a Helle Viking which by the way is a lovely knife. The Vikings blade resembles the blade of the Tollekniv and other knives mentioned. While we'd like a catch all word to group these similar knives they are their own thing. The subtle differences or simply their cultural identity. It could be that the hundred years parallel development each has resembled one another.
Can a Traditional Puukko be produced outside Finnland? Can a Traditional Puukko be produced by non Finns? Here's my very personal opinion, No. Its should be called "Puukko style", "Puukko inspired", "In the tradition of the Puukko", or something along those lines. :dunno:
There are for many very personal connections to culture, tradition, and history. For me there is something to be said about the soul of certain "things". Theres something to be said for the heart and passion that goes into certain "things". Is this quantifiable? I don't honestly know or actually care to be honest ( sorry if this sounds harsh :salute: ). What I do know is, however minute the differences, even if those minute differences are where the item is made, the Puukko, the Tollekniv, the Morakniv are their own thing. IF only because the people of these wonderful countries say so.
Sometimes the whole IS greater than the sum of their parts. In some cases the whole has to include; culture, tradition, and history.
If a group of American workers went to Finland and made knives that were identical to historical Finnish Puukkos would they be Puukkos?
IF a cat has her kitten in an oven, does it make them biscuits? This idea of a what a Puukko is is not one of semantics. A knife is a knife is a knife which very well may be true however while all Puukko are knives not all knives are Puukkos.
I hope this post doesn't come off as snooty or arrogant :hatsoff:. I honestly have a passion for any country, people, culture, and their identity and the things that they identify with.
Here's my very personal opinion, No.
IF a cat has her kitten in an oven, does it make them biscuits?
i still wouldn't eat that. even with Cholula.... mmmm cookies with Cholula
i still wouldn't eat that. even with Cholula.... mmmm cookies with Cholula
I've never eaten kitten but I'm told you have to cook them puuuurfect for them to be any good :facepalm:
I'll get my coat...................
i still wouldn't eat that. even with Cholula.... mmmm cookies with Cholula
I've never eaten kitten but I'm told you have to cook them puuuurfect for them to be any good :facepalm:
I'll get my coat...................
i'm a bit afraid to ask what that coat is made of. should I simply start singing the Cruella de Vil song?
I've never eaten kitten but I'm told you have to cook them puuuurfect for them to be any good :facepalm:
I'll get my coat...................
As a side note though...
Finman 101 Leijonat puukko Made in Finland (https://www.motonet.fi/fi/tuote/7001378/Finman-101-Leijonat-puukko-Made-in-Finland)
(https://static2.motonet.fi/img/7/7001378/500/7001378.jpg)
This cheapo work puukko doesn't differ much from the cheap Moras, don't you think?
There probably are different opinions about this, but mine is, if it's not made in Finland or by a Finnish person it's not a Puukko :)
(But, do note there are specific "requirements" of a proper tollekniv, which a Mora doesn't fulfil. They are different, they are just much more similar to each other than a puukko is to either of them.)
Well, just as I said before, all three are their own separate entities, none of them are quite the same :)
And note, whether to not I'd buy a Canadian Bowie, doesn't make a difference to whether or not a knife could be called a Bowie.
A SAK made in Germany could still be called a SAK.
A Mora made in Taiwan would still be called a Mora.
Agreed.
I've had the blade for a few years now, just haven't gotten around to putting a handle on it.... :facepalm:
You can get just the blade and make your own handle.
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I have a Helle Symfoni. Has to be one of my favourite knives I own.
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80313.0;attach=418438)
Agreed.
I've had the blade for a few years now, just haven't gotten around to putting a handle on it.... :facepalm:
Did the handle not come with it or did it come off? I have their Viking knife if its the same one you're talking about. A nice stacked handle would be pretty nice.
I have a Helle Symfoni. Has to be one of my favourite knives I own.
Maybe I'm wrong about the short tang.....The traditional way is to peen it on the end with some kind of brass shim type thingy
Dug the blade out:
(https://i.imgur.com/2dsi7Wk.jpg)
It doesn't look or feel too bad in hand.
(https://i.imgur.com/P6erhrx.jpg)
I was thinking about trying to use a die to thread the end of the tang, and then using a nut to secure the handle to the blade, but perhaps peening is the way to go. I have to think about that. I think I'd need a good vise to hold the blade while I peened the pommel. My current vise isn't really robust enough for that. I might be able to improvise something.......
I will say that this HELLE blade is shockingly sharp for an unfinished knife. :o
Maybe I'm wrong about the short tang.....
Dug the blade out:
(https://i.imgur.com/2dsi7Wk.jpg)
It doesn't look or feel too bad in hand.
(https://i.imgur.com/P6erhrx.jpg)
I was thinking about trying to use a die to thread the end of the tang, and then using a nut to secure the handle to the blade, but perhaps peening is the way to go. I have to think about that. I think I'd need a good vise to hold the blade while I peened the pommel. My current vise isn't really robust enough for that. I might be able to improvise something.......
I will say that this HELLE blade is shockingly sharp for an unfinished knife. :o
This sounds like a terrific project. I like the idea of a threaded end. Maple, leather, brass :dd:. Great looking blade to begin this project with. :popcorn:
Thanks, Barry. I really appreciate that. I've got a few pieces of nice hardwood laying around that I might use. :tu:
The big challenge for me seems to be figuring out a practical way to clamp the knife securely while I try to peen the pommel end. I've got a couple ideas that I might try.
I think I'll do a stacked handle with wood, leather, and brass. I'll probably go with some Maple for a bit of contrast. And it's a nice hardwood.
I sure said that like it would be straightforward.... :rofl:
Sure makes a nice lookin' knife. :like:
:tu: Nice bump. It was a great topic. Lots of good discussions.