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Tool Talk => SOG Tool Forum => Topic started by: 18jms on July 04, 2010, 08:12:07 PM
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Was interested in getting a sog tool, but after visiting their website are they made in USA or just assembled here? I bought a few Gerbers assembled in USA but made in china and they were junk.
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As near as we've been able to determine, the current SOG multitool components are imported (from Taiwan?) and assembled in the U.S.
That being said, I for one haven't found them to be of any lesser quality than the older entirely-made-in-USA SOG tools.
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My issue isn't with the quality but the price. If they are made in Taiwan they should lower the price. I hate when companies switch from the US to overseas and then keep the same retail price. It makes me think that their company is only about one thing, greed! ::) I love SOG's, but I might only buy them on the used market from now on. :-\
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I said the same thing about the Leatherman Charges- the original titanium models used to retail around $100, now the aluminum models are $100 and the titanium model is $150. Seemed like a cash grab to me, but when you think about it, I think it's more of a method of staving off inflation rather than trying to pad profit margins. Yes, I think a little more is ending up in company coffers as a result of the changes, but I'm not so sure it's as much as we might initially assume.
Or it could be- tragically the major manufacturers don't share the details of their accounting books with me!
Def
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I said the same thing about the Leatherman Charges- the original titanium models used to retail around $100, now the aluminum models are $100 and the titanium model is $150. Seemed like a cash grab to me, but when you think about it, I think it's more of a method of staving off inflation rather than trying to pad profit margins. Yes, I think a little more is ending up in company coffers as a result of the changes, but I'm not so sure it's as much as we might initially assume.
Or it could be- tragically the major manufacturers don't share the details of their accounting books with me!
Def
They had to figure out some way to pay "Gunny"!! ::) :D
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:rofl:
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My issue isn't with the quality but the price. If they are made in Taiwan they should lower the price. I hate when companies switch from the US to overseas and then keep the same retail price. It makes me think that their company is only about one thing, greed!
A lot of companies - and not just multitool companies - believe that if they don't tell, and you don't notice (or don't complain), they can get away with it!
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My issue isn't with the quality but the price. If they are made in Taiwan they should lower the price. I hate when companies switch from the US to overseas and then keep the same retail price. It makes me think that their company is only about one thing, greed!
A lot of companies - and not just multitool companies - believe that if they don't tell, and you don't notice (or don't complain), they can get away with it!
So very true my friend. The sad part is most people just don't care anymore.
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It just bothers me that companies start outsourcing production from their own country.
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I thought that SOG MT's especially the older ones were made in Japan, or at least their components were.. I remember ordering from Washington state back in the 1990's replacment blades from my Paratool, and seeing them imprinted with the Japanese city "Seki" as well as "Japan" on them..
Cheers,
Serge
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I sent to SOG email asking what knives/MT you made in USA?
They said all knives made in Japan,Taiwan,China....and etc.
A great SOG Bowie,which I so like,they sell here in Lynnwood around $300 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o >:( >:(,and this knife made in TAIWAN!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Great job SOG!I have a question tho this company: " what do you ,guys,do on your factory,I mean here,in US,Lynnwood?"
If so many knifes made in China,Taiwan,Japan and etc. what you do? ??? ??? ???
$300 for Taiwan made knife? :twak: Are you kidding me?
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Why not if its a very good knife? :think:
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Why not if its a very good knife? :think:
Don't get me wrong,the SOG's knives is great knives,but for a $300 I can buy great quality knife,much better than SOG's.
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Why not if its a very good knife? :think:
Don't get me wrong,the SOG's knives is great knives,but for a $300 I can buy great quality knife,much better than SOG's.
Good to hear, because you made it sound like it was the point of origin that was main problem..
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Why not if its a very good knife? :think:
Don't get me wrong,the SOG's knives is great knives,but for a $300 I can buy great quality knife,much better than SOG's.
Good to hear, because you made it sound like it was the point of origin that was main problem..
The SOG Bowie knife,for me,is the best design knife (+ Ka-Bar ;)),but the reason why I don't have it......because its made in Taiwan.
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Why not if its a very good knife? :think:
Don't get me wrong,the SOG's knives is great knives,but for a $300 I can buy great quality knife,much better than SOG's.
Good to hear, because you made it sound like it was the point of origin that was main problem..
For me the SOG Bowie knife is the best design knife (+ Ka-Bar ;)),but the reason why I don't have it......because its made in Taiwan.
Half the world's good's are made in Taiwan, so what's your point exactly?
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Did they once make that model in the US and was the quality was better then?
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Why not if its a very good knife? :think:
Don't get me wrong,the SOG's knives is great knives,but for a $300 I can buy great quality knife,much better than SOG's.
Good to hear, because you made it sound like it was the point of origin that was main problem..
For me the SOG Bowie knife is the best design knife (+ Ka-Bar ;)),but the reason why I don't have it......because its made in Taiwan.
Half the world's good's are made in Taiwan, so what's your point exactly?
QUALITY!
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Did they once make that model in the US and was the quality was better then?
I think....yes.
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QUALITY!
I think....yes.
Convincing argument. Please explain where the quality slipped, and how the quality of SOG's from taiwan are less than other places. This could be helpful information, or it could be a load of bull.
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Pentagon S14
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It's rather how it's made than where it's made. Older SOG use directly molded on hard plastic handle whereas new one use pre-made soft rubber sock that slips onto the tang. My NW ranger is like that too, the pre-made rubber handle simply doesn't fit precisely enough.
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Pentagon S14
dang!
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That's a quality control issue. It's immaterial where it's made :)
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That's a quality control issue. It's immaterial where it's made :)
Agreed. There's some very nice stuff made in Taiwan - Spyderco comes to mind.
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So what you guys are saying then is that if a company like Leatherman charges $150 retail for a Charge TTi and has it made in Taiwan, as long as the quality is good its ok?
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So what you guys are saying then is that if a company like Leatherman charges $150 retail for a Charge TTi and has it made in Taiwan, as long as the quality is good its ok?
Yes
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So what you guys are saying then is that if a company like Leatherman charges $150 retail for a Charge TTi and has it made in Taiwan, as long as the quality is good its ok?
Yes
As long as the quality's good, and the worker's aren't abused then I'm fine with it :)
Of course I buy Swiss so there are no ethical issues :)
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As long as the quality's good, and the worker's aren't abused then I'm fine with it :)
+1 :tu:
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So what you guys are saying then is that if a company like Leatherman charges $150 retail for a Charge TTi and has it made in Taiwan, as long as the quality is good its ok?
Yes
As long as the quality's good, and the worker's aren't abused then I'm fine with it :)
Of course I buy Swiss so there are no ethical issues :)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/DaveK-ToolPics/Smilies/eusa_silenced.gif)
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So what you guys are saying then is that if a company like Leatherman charges $150 retail for a Charge TTi and has it made in Taiwan, as long as the quality is good its ok?
Yes
As long as the quality's good, and the worker's aren't abused then I'm fine with it :)
Of course I buy Swiss so there are no ethical issues :)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/DaveK-ToolPics/Smilies/eusa_silenced.gif)
http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=345&Itemid=35
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That's a bit selective though isn't it? If you want to look at a nations ethics you should really consider the whole piece:
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/aa072397.htm
Now, don't get me wrong - every country has some skeletons in the closet (not least of all our own), but maybe the Swiss are maybe not the wonderful neutral, peace loving nation they like to portray themselves as when you look more closely......
Sorry to hijack the thread and all that, probably wasn't really appropriate but your stirred my mental juices :P
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I'm wasn't really thinking of Swiss past misdeeds, more that they treat both there workers and the planet fairly :)
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I'm wasn't really thinking of Swiss past misdeeds, more that they treat both there workers and the planet fairly :)
So you're ok with an alox farmer being made in Taiwan at the same current retail as the Swiss one?
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I'm wasn't really thinking of Swiss past misdeeds, more that they treat both there workers and the planet fairly :)
So you're ok with an alox farmer being made in Taiwan at the same current retail as the Swiss one?
As long as the same consideration was placed on worker's conditions and the environment, yes :)
Market forces are what they are, so there's very little point bemoaning where a product's made imo :)
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I'm wasn't really thinking of Swiss past misdeeds, more that they treat both there workers and the planet fairly :)
So you're ok with an alox farmer being made in Taiwan at the same current retail as the Swiss one?
As long as the same consideration was placed on worker's conditions and the environment, yes :)
Market forces are what they are, so there's very little point bemoaning where a product's made imo :)
Agreed, though I would again add the caveat that I would expect the same quality as the Swiss made Farmer, though that's probably an obvious point to make.
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I'm wasn't really thinking of Swiss past misdeeds, more that they treat both there workers and the planet fairly :)
So you're ok with an alox farmer being made in Taiwan at the same current retail as the Swiss one?
As long as the same consideration was placed on worker's conditions and the environment, yes :)
Market forces are what they are, so there's very little point bemoaning where a product's made imo :)
I don't know about about you, but I hate seeing my country being sold piece by piece. BTW, these are just my opinions on the subject which I'm entitled to last time I checked, with all do respect of course. :D
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I'm wasn't really thinking of Swiss past misdeeds, more that they treat both there workers and the planet fairly :)
So you're ok with an alox farmer being made in Taiwan at the same current retail as the Swiss one?
As long as the same consideration was placed on worker's conditions and the environment, yes :)
Market forces are what they are, so there's very little point bemoaning where a product's made imo :)
Agreed, though I would again add the caveat that I would expect the same quality as the Swiss made Farmer, though that's probably an obvious point to make.
Same here :tu:
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I'm wasn't really thinking of Swiss past misdeeds, more that they treat both there workers and the planet fairly :)
So you're ok with an alox farmer being made in Taiwan at the same current retail as the Swiss one?
As long as the same consideration was placed on worker's conditions and the environment, yes :)
Market forces are what they are, so there's very little point bemoaning where a product's made imo :)
I don't know about about you, but I hate seeing my country being sold piece by piece. BTW, these are just my opinions on the subject which I'm entitled to last time I checked, with all do respect of course. :D
Well we've no real manufacturing base to protect, so I suppose it's easier for us to make the leap to buying foreign products :)
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I'm wasn't really thinking of Swiss past misdeeds, more that they treat both there workers and the planet fairly :)
So you're ok with an alox farmer being made in Taiwan at the same current retail as the Swiss one?
As long as the same consideration was placed on worker's conditions and the environment, yes :)
Market forces are what they are, so there's very little point bemoaning where a product's made imo :)
I don't know about about you, but I hate seeing my country being sold piece by piece. BTW, these are just my opinions on the subject which I'm entitled to last time I checked, with all do respect of course. :D
Well we've no real manufacturing base to protect, so I suppose it's easier for us to make the leap to buying foreign products :)
yeah you lot outsorced to us over a 100 years ago :D
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I don't know about about you, but I hate seeing my country being sold piece by piece. BTW, these are just my opinions on the subject which I'm entitled to last time I checked, with all do respect of course. :D
Fair enough, and I totally understand your position. The thing is, I'm Canadian - even if I buy a US-made knife or multi, I'm still buying foreign, and there aren't any large scale knife manufacturers in Canada (that I'm aware of, anyways).
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I don't know about about you, but I hate seeing my country being sold piece by piece. BTW, these are just my opinions on the subject which I'm entitled to last time I checked, with all do respect of course. :D
Fair enough, and I totally understand your position. The thing is, I'm Canadian - even if I buy a US-made knife or multi, I'm still buying foreign, and there aren't any large scale knife manufacturers in Canada (that I'm aware of, anyways).
Grohmann are pretty big, and they make fantastic knives (I have a No1 and no4) :)
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I don't know about about you, but I hate seeing my country being sold piece by piece. BTW, these are just my opinions on the subject which I'm entitled to last time I checked, with all do respect of course. :D
Fair enough, and I totally understand your position. The thing is, I'm Canadian - even if I buy a US-made knife or multi, I'm still buying foreign, and there aren't any large scale knife manufacturers in Canada (that I'm aware of, anyways).
I do see your point too. :tu: What really bugs me is that we're getting suckered into thinking its ok for a product to be made for $5 and retailed for $150. I'm totally sick of it and I'm going to fight back even if that means I buy everything used from now on. :P
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I don't know about about you, but I hate seeing my country being sold piece by piece. BTW, these are just my opinions on the subject which I'm entitled to last time I checked, with all do respect of course. :D
Fair enough, and I totally understand your position. The thing is, I'm Canadian - even if I buy a US-made knife or multi, I'm still buying foreign, and there aren't any large scale knife manufacturers in Canada (that I'm aware of, anyways).
I do see your point too. :tu: What really bugs me is that we're getting suckered into thinking its ok for a product to be made for $5 and retailed for $150. I'm totally sick of it and I'm going to fight back even if that means I buy everything used from now on. :P
Truth be told, if you do purchase quality items used, and take care of them, when it comes time for you to sell the items, you should be able to recover most of your money - or, if they become classics, you'll be able to make a profit off of the item. :)
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I'm wasn't really thinking of Swiss past misdeeds, more that they treat both there workers and the planet fairly :)
So you're ok with an alox farmer being made in Taiwan at the same current retail as the Swiss one?
As long as the same consideration was placed on worker's conditions and the environment, yes :)
Market forces are what they are, so there's very little point bemoaning where a product's made imo :)
I don't know about about you, but I hate seeing my country being sold piece by piece. BTW, these are just my opinions on the subject which I'm entitled to last time I checked, with all do respect of course. :D
Well we've no real manufacturing base to protect, so I suppose it's easier for us to make the leap to buying foreign products :)
yeah you lot outsorced to us over a 100 years ago :D
TBH I don't think we actually buy much American made product as a nation (other than Pepsi and Coke :D), but I could be wrong.
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I've bought quite a few US made multis ;) :D
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I'm quite prepared to pay more for quality, but if I can get that quality cheaper, then I will!
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I'm wasn't really thinking of Swiss past misdeeds, more that they treat both there workers and the planet fairly :)
So you're ok with an alox farmer being made in Taiwan at the same current retail as the Swiss one?
As long as the same consideration was placed on worker's conditions and the environment, yes :)
Market forces are what they are, so there's very little point bemoaning where a product's made imo :)
I don't know about about you, but I hate seeing my country being sold piece by piece. BTW, these are just my opinions on the subject which I'm entitled to last time I checked, with all do respect of course. :D
manufacturing base to protect, so I suppose it's easier for us to make the leap to buying foreign products :)
Well we've no real
yeah you lot outsorced to us over a 100 years ago :D
TBH I don't think we actually buy much American made product as a nation (other than Pepsi and Coke :D), but I could be wrong.
I was more talking historicly the world's big manufacturing base move from the UK to the US, I forget when the shift happend but it did
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Half the world's good's are made in CHINA, so what's your point exactly?
Fixed that for you :angel:
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I've bought quite a few US made multis ;) :D
Well I admit that we here in this site have invested quite a bit on American products, but I'm pretty certain we're not totally representative of the average Brit. ;)
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Getting back to the topic of this thread:
To be clear, I've got no prejudice about where a product is made. BUT, I've come to expect that if a company makes their products in the USA, they are targeting folks who demand a higher level of quality and are willing to pay more for it. I consider myself to fall into this category. On the other hand, when a company outsources their manufacturing to Asia, it seems that they then place less emphasis on the quality of their products and more on maximizing profits. :P So while I have nothing against those countries or their people, it does sadden me to see companies like SOG shift their production overseas. :( It usually signals a change in company values, and I can cite numerous examples if you'd like.
Let's just hope that even though SOG tools will no longer be made in the USA, they will not lower their high standards of quality.
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Getting back to the topic of this thread:
To be clear, I've got no prejudice about where a product is made. BUT, I've come to expect that if a company makes their products in the USA, they are targeting folks who demand a higher level of quality and are willing to pay more for it. I consider myself to fall into this category. On the other hand, when a company outsources their manufacturing to Asia, it seems that they then place less emphasis on the quality of their products and more on maximizing profits. :P So while I have nothing against those countries or their people, it does sadden me to see companies like SOG shift their production overseas. :( It usually signals a change in company values, and I can cite numerous examples if you'd like.
Let's just hope that even though SOG tools will no longer be made in the USA, they will not lower their high standards of quality.
Like I said before, they have to figure out a way to pay "Gunny". :D
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looks like chinese workers are seeing the light when it comes to fair wages.
http://www.news.com.au/business/chinese-workers-demand-fairer-share-pay-rises/story-e6frfm1i-1225876780392 (http://www.news.com.au/business/chinese-workers-demand-fairer-share-pay-rises/story-e6frfm1i-1225876780392)
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looks like chinese workers are seeing the light when it comes to fair wages.
http://www.news.com.au/business/chinese-workers-demand-fairer-share-pay-rises/story-e6frfm1i-1225876780392 (http://www.news.com.au/business/chinese-workers-demand-fairer-share-pay-rises/story-e6frfm1i-1225876780392)
it's window dressing, at a few high profile foreign joint-venture firms
still are literally MILLIONS of workers from the countryside willing to work for the same wages they have been earning
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At least SOG aren't shy about it.. :)
Micro ToolClip - Black
Overall Length 3.75"
Weight 3 oz.
Edge Straight
Handle Zytel
Country of Origin China
Price $20.00
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At least SOG aren't shy about it.. :)
Micro ToolClip - Black
Overall Length 3.75"
Weight 3 oz.
Edge Straight
Handle Zytel
Country of Origin China
Price $20.00
That is my point exactly. :tu: A ToolClip for $20 is a great retail for a tool that is made in China. If the quality is there, I don't have a problem with it. Now if that tool cost $50 and was made in China I wouldn't be happy. Make sense? :think:
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At least SOG aren't shy about it.. :)
Micro ToolClip - Black
Overall Length 3.75"
Weight 3 oz.
Edge Straight
Handle Zytel
Country of Origin China
Price $20.00
That is my point exactly. :tu: A ToolClip for $20 is a great retail for a tool that is made in China. If the quality is there, I don't have a problem with it. Now if that tool cost $50 and was made in China I wouldn't be happy. Make sense? :think:
Thats what I'm talking about,
if SOG bowie made in Japan/USA and cost $300 its OK for me (but its overpriced,again)
but if it made in Taiwan and cost $300 >:( :o .......,no,thank you......:salute:
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If you have a choice to buy SOG Bowie,made in Taiwan,$300 or Busse Combat Knife (for example) made in USA for around the same price,which one you choose?
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Find me a busse for $300 and I'll choose it. :pok:
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If you have a choice to buy SOG Bowie,made in Taiwan,$300 or Busse Combat Knife (for example) made in USA for around the same price,which one you choose?
Whichever one fit my needs better.
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Find me a busse for $300 and I'll choose it. :pok:
Boss Street -$227
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Bushwacker Mistress Combat Grade - $347
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Limited Edition Bushwacker Mistress - $597
I will add a couple $100 bucks and buy this one instead SOG Bowie,made in Taiwan for $300. :salute:
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AL MAR SF SOG 4008 BOWIE KNIFE MAC V SOG SPECIAL FORCES
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Great SOG knife,made in JAPAN! ;)
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But price ....... $650 :o :o
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At least SOG aren't shy about it.. :)
Micro ToolClip - Black
Overall Length 3.75"
Weight 3 oz.
Edge Straight
Handle Zytel
Country of Origin China
Price $20.00
That is my point exactly. :tu: A ToolClip for $20 is a great retail for a tool that is made in China. If the quality is there, I don't have a problem with it. Now if that tool cost $50 and was made in China I wouldn't be happy. Make sense? :think:
Thats what I'm talking about,
if SOG bowie made in Japan/USA and cost $300 its OK for me (but its overpriced,again)
but if it made in Taiwan and cost $300 >:( :o .......,no,thank you......:salute:
Even if the quality is the same?
Personally, I think the value of an item is in how it performs, how it is finished and what it is made of. I couldn't give a rats behind what country it originated from, I just like good tools.
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Find me a busse for $300 and I'll choose it. :pok:
Boss Street -$227
Yeah and is it even available for purchase right now?
Limited Edition Bushwacker Mistress - $597
I will add a couple $100 bucks and buy this one instead SOG Bowie,made in Taiwan for $300. :salute:
My comparable taiwan SOG to boss street cost $60, hardly the $300 sog or $300 busse example you gave. Besides the SOG kiku knives which are really handmade customs, there isn't one that's even close to the $300 price mark you give. Even the most expensive from the line up which is the Creed, goes for less than $140 on amazon.
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Find me a busse for $300 and I'll choose it. :pok:
Boss Street -$227
Yeah and is it even available for purchase right now?
Limited Edition Bushwacker Mistress - $597
I will add a couple $100 bucks and buy this one instead SOG Bowie,made in Taiwan for $300. :salute:
My comparable taiwan SOG to boss street cost $60, hardly the $300 sog or $300 busse example you gave. Besides the SOG kiku knives which are really handmade customs, there isn't one that's even close to the $300 price mark you give. Even the most expensive from the line up which is the Creed, goes for less than $140 on amazon.
Boss Street -$227 - Yes,its available.
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4 to 8 weeks, doesn't sound like it's actually available. Then add in the cost of a good sheath, no longer under $300.
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4 to 8 weeks, doesn't sound like it's actually available. Then add in the cost of a good sheath, no longer under $300.
A little over $300 for Busse,
but way better than $300 for SOG Taiwan :salute:
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4 to 8 weeks, doesn't sound like it's actually available. Then add in the cost of a good sheath, no longer under $300.
A little over $300 for Busse,
but way better than $300 for SOG Taiwan :salute:
Like I said, there is no $300 SOG, their most expensive production model goes for $140, you are just making numbers to back up your claim.
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4 to 8 weeks, doesn't sound like it's actually available. Then add in the cost of a good sheath, no longer under $300.
A little over $300 for Busse,
but way better than $300 for SOG Taiwan :salute:
Like I said, there is no $300 SOG, their most expensive production model goes for $140, you are just making numbers to back up your claim.
Like I said its a $300 http://sogknives.com/store/SB1T.html
I was at the factory store in Lynnwood and the price is $300
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That's the 20 year anniversary model, and it goes for $160 on amazon.
Besides something comparable to the $300 busse would be this, which I paid less than $60 for. http://sogknives.com/store/S241.html
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That's the 20 year anniversary model, and it goes for $160 on amazon.
Besides something comparable to the $300 busse would be this, which I paid less than $60 for. http://sogknives.com/store/S241.html
You compare SOG knifes,made in Taiwan and cost less than $60 to Busse $300 knife? :rofl:
I know you just kidding... :D
Why so many buy SAK/Swisstool - b/c its Swiss made (and not only that)
Why LM is so popular,even with a little bad QC (not all models,of course) - b/c its USA made and very useful.
Why Gerber is not so popular (not all) - one of reason b/c a lot of them made in China (and not only that)
But,again,its just my IMHO
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That's the 20 year anniversary model, and it goes for $160 on amazon.
Besides something comparable to the $300 busse would be this, which I paid less than $60 for. http://sogknives.com/store/S241.html
You compare SOG knifes,made in Taiwan and cost less than $60 to Busse $300 knife? :rofl:
I know you just kidding... :D
Why so many buy SAK/Swisstool - b/c its Swiss made (and not only that)
Why LM is so popular,even with a little bad QC (not all models,of course) - b/c its USA made and very useful.
Why Gerber is not so popular (not all) - one of reason b/c a lot of them made in China (and not only that)
Now c'mon CumminsDiesel, that's not it at all. Like we've been saying: it's not so much about WHERE something is made. It's about HOW WELL something is made.
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That's the 20 year anniversary model, and it goes for $160 on amazon.
Besides something comparable to the $300 busse would be this, which I paid less than $60 for. http://sogknives.com/store/S241.html
You compare SOG knifes,made in Taiwan and cost less than $60 to Busse $300 knife? :rofl:
I know you just kidding... :D
Why so many buy SAK/Swisstool - b/c its Swiss made (and not only that)
Why LM is so popular,even with a little bad QC (not all models,of course) - b/c its USA made and very useful.
Why Gerber is not so popular (not all) - one of reason b/c a lot of them made in China (and not only that)
But,again,its just my IMHO
No, I'm refuting your original argument.
Thats what I'm talking about,
if SOG bowie made in Japan/USA and cost $300 its OK for me (but its overpriced,again)
but if it made in Taiwan and cost $300 >:( :o .......,no,thank you......:salute:
If you have a choice to buy SOG Bowie,made in Taiwan,$300 or Busse Combat Knife (for example) made in USA for around the same price,which one you choose?
You took a knife brand whose most expensive model still cost half of the least expensive model of another brand, and claim the former is overpriced and you'd rather have the latter. I showed you a comparable model from SOG that only cost 1/5 as much which is nowhere near as overpriced as you have argued. So SOG is not really overpriced compare with u.s. made knives.
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All right,anyway I'm not going to buy any SOG's that made in Taiwan/China.
Doesn't matter HOW WELL they made.
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Well you keep changing your post...
All right,anyway I'm not going to buy any SOG's that made in Taiwan/China.
Doesn't matter HOW WELL they made.
So your real reason finally shows.
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All right,so tell me please,why SOG Bowie made in Taiwan cost less than SOG Bowie made in Japan? Both are very well made.
Because many different influences are cheaper over there. That's why a lot of things are manufactured there, because the costs are cheaper. Good QC prevents any rogues and companies like Spyderco for example prove it can be done.
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All right,anyway I'm not going to buy any SOG's that made in Taiwan/China.
Doesn't matter HOW WELL they made.
And you made what, 20 posts trying to argue a different point why?
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Well you keep changing your post...
All right,anyway I'm not going to buy any SOG's that made in Taiwan/China.
Doesn't matter HOW WELL they made.
So your real reason finally shows.
That seems to be it doesn't it. Shame.
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I see nothing wrong with supporting your fellow countrymen by buying locally made goods. On the flip side, not all Chinese/Taiwan made goods are junk. Look at what happened to Japan post WW2.
I am reading a bit of hostility in some of these posts…I think everyone here needs to cool down and keep this civil folks.
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I see nothing wrong with supporting your fellow countrymen by buying locally made goods. On the flip side, not all Chinese/Taiwan made goods are junk. Look at what happened to Japan post WW2.
I am reading a bit of hostility in some of these posts…I think everyone here needs to cool down and keep this civil folks.
Actually, on quite a touchy subject I think everyone here has been very civil and good opinions have been shared.
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I see nothing wrong with supporting your fellow countrymen by buying locally made goods. On the flip side, not all Chinese/Taiwan made goods are junk. Look at what happened to Japan post WW2.
I am reading a bit of hostility in some of these posts…I think everyone here needs to cool down and keep this civil folks.
Nothing wrong with that, but making up reasons to put down another brand is annoying at best.
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Like I said before,for me a China/Taiwan made tools poor quality.
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Like I said before,for me a China/Taiwan made tools is poor quality.
You have just this second said that the quality wasn't the problem. :think:
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I see nothing wrong with supporting your fellow countrymen by buying locally made goods. On the flip side, not all Chinese/Taiwan made goods are junk. Look at what happened to Japan post WW2.
I am reading a bit of hostility in some of these posts…I think everyone here needs to cool down and keep this civil folks.
Nothing wrong with that, but making up reasons to put down another brand is annoying at best.
Nothing wrong here to put down another brand,b/c there is always one brand better than other.
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All right,anyway I'm not going to buy any SOG's that made in Taiwan/China.
Doesn't matter HOW WELL they made.
Like I said before,for me a China/Taiwan made tools poor quality.
As you skated past my post I thought I'd post again just in case you hadn't seen.
One minute you claim the quality doesn't bother you, then you say tools made there mean poor quality? seems you have some inconsistancies there.
What makes me laugh is that some people here have clear preferences to country of origin and like to say that, but like to go the long way round about getting there. John (Gadget guy) just says what he thinks involving 0 BS. You then knows where he stands and if that is how he feels, so be it. That isn't necessarily my angle but this is an opinions forum for us to share opinions and they will quite commonly differ. What is annoying is when someone feels something but feels the need to write something which doesn't make any sense. Just say what you want to say. If you are worried about offending some, then don't say it. Don't back yourself into a corner and then argue the toss for the sake of arguing the toss.
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Only time will tell if the quality on the stuff that is made in Taiwan will hold up or not, so far the Taiwan made MT’s and Flash 1 I have are top notch and can’t really find any difference from the US made tools.
I myself don’t like outsourcing but there is nothing that we can do about it, SOG can either end up like Gerber or Spyderco. If the quality of the Taiwan made tool/knife is good then I can’t see any problems paying for it as it was made in the US since I know that SOG are putting money into QC.
Before I was skeptical about stuff made in Asia and automatically believed that it was crap, but after using bags from Maxpedition (made in Taiwan) and giving them a rough time, pant’s from 5.11 (made in China) that I have been using for hiking, tool pouch from Tasmanian Tiger (made in Vietnam). It’s the company that decide the quality of the goods that are coming out of the factory.
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I agree with the guys saying that quality is quality no matter where it's from, but I do have to admit, seeing "Made in China" is a little off-putting to me. Think about it, with so many products being made in China and so many of them being made as cheap as possible, there are a lot more examples of Chinese crap than there are of Chinese quality. On the other hand, so little products these days are made in the USA, and prices are so high to make something here, that there are many many more examples of quality USA-made products than there are of USA-made crap. I think that's all Cummins is trying to say, and I totally agree with it too.
However, we also must remember that the Chinese factories have the skills and resources to make top-notch products. It's all about the company who hires the factory. Just look at Multitasker Tools. His products are top-notch, but made in china to keep prices reasonable. I suspect that's what many companies are doing nowadays.
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It does suck seeing Made in China on products. China and other factories in Asia have always been known to make crap but I think it’s time to realize and face the facts that they can and do make quality goods
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Nothing wrong here to put down another brand,b/c there is always one brand better than other.
It is when you are making up numbers.
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I agree with the guys saying that quality is quality no matter where it's from, but I do have to admit, seeing "Made in China" is a little off-putting to me. Think about it, with so many products being made in China and so many of them being made as cheap as possible, there are a lot more examples of Chinese crap than there are of Chinese quality. On the other hand, so little products these days are made in the USA, and prices are so high to make something here, that there are many many more examples of quality USA-made products than there are of USA-made crap. I think that's all Cummins is trying to say, and I totally agree with it too.
However, we also must remember that the Chinese factories have the skills and resources to make top-notch products. It's all about the company who hires the factory. Just look at Multitasker Tools. His products are top-notch, but made in china to keep prices reasonable. I suspect that's what many companies are doing nowadays.
+1 :tu:
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LOL, but he isn't saying what you are saying! :D
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There's a world of difference between supporting your local manufacturers and rubbishing things that are made elsewhere.
I think some people need to wise up. For the right money, Chinese factories can make excellent quality goods, and you need to get used to seeing more things coming from China, Taiwan and pretty soon India.
There's nothing wrong with being patriotic and supporting jobs in your country (I often do when I have the option and opportunity), but if you want to pretend that your country (whichever country that is) has a monopoly on quality, you'd be wrong. Big companies know this already and will need to continue to outsource to compete.
Simple capitalism really.
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LOL, but he isn't saying what you are saying! :D
Not even close.
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LOL, but he isn't saying what you are saying! :D
Not even close.
Well maybe that's what he meant to say! C'mon guys give him a break, arguing and debating is fine but to me it looks like you're really kicking his ass!
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LOL, but he isn't saying what you are saying! :D
Not even close.
Well maybe that's what he meant to say! C'mon guys give him a break, arguing and debating is fine but to me it looks like you're really kicking his ass!
Looks to me like he's kicking his own ass tbh. The guy made a number of quite unequivocal statements on a public forum, so it seems to me to be fair enough if people ask him to elaborate.
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:shrug: I'm just sayin' is all.
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Life is too short to worry about who buys what from where. I lost my Mother-In-Law today and this loss is going to change me forever. Take a deep breath and think about the things that are important. Let's not fight with each other as we have a great group here :cheers: . Ok... I'll shut up now. :-\
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Life is too short to worry about who buys what from where. I lost my Mother-In-Law today and this loss is going to change me forever. Take a deep breath and think about the things that are important. Let's not fight with each other as we have a great group here :cheers: . Ok... I'll shut up now. :-\
Damn sorry to hear that John :(
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You right,life is too short to worry about who buys what from where.
(Sorry,a bad day today..........To Moderator: can you delete all my posts in this thread?)
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Won't delete the posts, but I think this thread has run it's course now and we need to leave it be now.
John, very sad news my friend. You know where I am.
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Sorry to hear about that, John. Best wishes to your family.
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My condolences John :(
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how about the quality of metal/steel they used? is there any different? hope no one there came with their own SOG imitation...S0G or SEG, you name it.. :P
my condolences John...keep tough
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Interesting read!
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My issue isn't with the quality but the price. If they are made in Taiwan they should lower the price. I hate when companies switch from the US to overseas and then keep the same retail price. It makes me think that their company is only about one thing, greed! ::) I love SOG's, but I might only buy them on the used market from now on. :-\
I wholeheartedly agree with every word you said there.
We, in the UK had a similar experiance with Dyson vacuums a few years back ( I know it's not MT's) - they did exactly the same stunt - laid off all british workers and moved production to the far east under the promise the price would be more competitive.....They went UP!! and no doubt production costs went down!!