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Outdoor Section => The Outdoor and Survival Forum => Topic started by: lonediver on December 10, 2007, 05:48:02 PM
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Well
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Well as far as shovel's go, the one I always use, when back packing, or going anywhere for an extented period is my Glock Shovel, I have no idea if there still in production any more, but I know they were made for the Austrian army in the 1990's :)
It's very well made and uses a lot of relatively high tech materials (plastics and polymers), the shovel head is slightly bigger and deeper than the US army equivalent, and because of the polymer shaft and alloy head you can dig for quite long periods without fatigue because the shaft damps out alot of the shock and vibration :), the edge's are beveled (not sharpened) so it can be used as a resonable effecient hatchet.
It can be used as a convetional shovel or rotate the head through 90 degrees and use it as a mattock, or pick :)
The the handle is tellescopic so you can use it in confined spaces or as a hand trowl, or extend it fully so you've got more leverage/power, the butt/pommel is nicely rounded so it doesn't chew your hands to bits either :)
But one of the best features is the screw off pommel the conceals a very effective wood saw and combo tool!
Just what every multinut needs :)
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I've never been a fan of folding shovels myself. Like anything else, I was probably ruined by cheap ones, but I like something solid. I've been a big fan of the Cold Steel Special Forces shovel for some time:
(http://www.bestglide.com/product_images/TS1062_lg.jpg)
It's small enough to hang from a pack, strap to the side of a kayak or canoe or simply keep in the trunk of your car for times when you need it. The handle is solid and replaceable if necessary, and the steel is Cold Steel's Carbon V so you can put an edge on it to use it as a makeshift axe if need be.
I have one of Glock's bayonets that I found yesterday along with that silly Stab in the Dark knife. I thought I had sold or traded it as well- it's funny that you should have brought it up today of all days!
Def
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I was never a fan of the field knife, but yeah a bit spookey :D
A cold steel spetznaz shovel is on the ever increasing 08 shopping list ::), but there very pricey for what they are on these shore's, and I'm not sure who the postage would be from the US ???
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Considering the MSRP in the US of about $35, you could probably get one from one of our banner advertisers for a fraction of what they sell them there for if the same pricing ratios are kept!
I don't know if it qualifies as a multitool though.
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They have multipal uses don't they :D
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I've never been a fan of folding shovels myself. Like anything else, I was probably ruined by cheap ones, but I like something solid. I've been a big fan of the Cold Steel Special Forces shovel for some time:
(http://www.bestglide.com/product_images/TS1062_lg.jpg)
It's small enough to hang from a pack, strap to the side of a kayak or canoe or simply keep in the trunk of your car for times when you need it. The handle is solid and replaceable if necessary, and the steel is Cold Steel's Carbon V so you can put an edge on it to use it as a makeshift axe if need be.
I have one of Glock's bayonets that I found yesterday along with that silly Stab in the Dark knife. I thought I had sold or traded it as well- it's funny that you should have brought it up today of all days!
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I believe that I was told somewhere that Cold steels design was replicated from a Russian Spetnatz design . It was/is also called a throwing shovel much as a throwing knife .
I do not think that I would want to be on the receiving end of this item .
Yep, spetnaz used them as cqb weapon's and sadly against guard dogs >:(
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It is indeed copied from the SPETZNAZ design. I have met (and trained for a short period of timewith) Vladimir Vasiliev of the SPETZNAZ and while the shovel could be an impressive weapon, there are very few things (if anything) that isn't an imposing weapon in the hands of a trained SPETZNAZ officer!
The man can kick all of our arses with little more than the lint in his pocket!
Def
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all I've ever use is a Gator Digger that came with my metal detector years ago.
it really does the job though, digs through roots, rocks; sucker won't break
and has a lifetime guarantee! so I never got more fancy/tec ones.
(http://i2.tinypic.com/73dgdjt.gif)
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It is indeed copied from the SPETZNAZ design. I have met (and trained for a short period of timewith) Vladimir Vasiliev of the SPETZNAZ and while the shovel could be an impressive weapon, there are very few things (if anything) that isn't an imposing weapon in the hands of a trained SPETZNAZ officer!
The man can kick all of our arses with little more than the lint in his pocket!
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They were/are bloody tough troop's, they may not have always had the best kit, but they certainly knew how to use it :o
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Good kit spoils a soldier!
If a soldier has to repair his gear while under fire, it build character! :P
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Good kit spoils a soldier!
If a soldier has to repair his gear while under fire, it build character! :P
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Remind me never to serve under you :D
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The Chinese security forces use a direct copy too, I've got to say, I REALLY hate the idea personnely!
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I think he's meaning the ballistic knife.
Another one of those "good on paper..." type ideas!
Def
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The Chinese security forces use a direct copy too, I've got to say, I REALLY hate the idea personnely!
Copy of what ?
Sorry, yeah I meant the ballistic knife, i was a bit distracted by a news story I just heard, (if you interested go to the break room) :)
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I think he's meaning the ballistic knife.
Another one of those "good on paper..." type ideas!
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Having handled one of them believe me they could be effective at what they were intended to . There was the serious drawback that they were rather dangerous to load/cock . Serious possibility of injuring the user .
That's why I never muched liked the idea, as it seemed to me, that there was as much chance of it biting the user as the intended target :D
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I think he's meaning the ballistic knife.
Another one of those "good on paper..." type ideas!
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Having handled one of them believe me they could be effective at what they were intended to . There was the serious drawback that they were rather dangerous to load/cock . Serious possibility of injuring the user .
That's why I never muched liked the idea, as it seemed to me, that there was as much chance of it biting the user as the intended target :D
Designers must have figured that the ones not careful in loading it did not deserve to play with thier toy .
:D, or were VERY careful second time round :D
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Clip of the Cold Steel shovel here; http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HxFJmx5ymiI
Normal CS silliness; the only thing they don't do with it is dig ::)
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Clip of the Cold Steel shovel here; http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HxFJmx5ymiI
Normal CS silliness; the only thing they don't do with it is dig ::)
You can dig with it ???
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No way! It might get dirty! :o
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Clip of the Cold Steel shovel here; http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HxFJmx5ymiI
Normal CS silliness; the only thing they don't do with it is dig ::)
You can dig with it ???
Still want one though ::)
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No way! It might get dirty! :o
:D :D
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I've wanted a Glock one since seeing them in SWAT magazine years ago. Along with a Chris Reeves Jereboam, a Gerber BMF (with saw back, natch) and a Buckmaster :D Oh, and a SPAS 12 ::)
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I've never been a fan of folding shovels myself. Like anything else, I was probably ruined by cheap ones, but I like something solid. I've been a big fan of the Cold Steel Special Forces shovel for some time:
I think you must have been ruined by cheap ones. You really should look into the Swiss entrenching tools that Tim sells. They are amazingly STOUT (but heavy).
I've been using the same US WWII entrenching tool for 20 years, and it has taken a hell of a beating. However, I recently bought a Swiss one and the US e-tool pales in comparison. I've seen those CS ones in person too, and I would put the Swiss e-tool up against it any time--except maybe if I was throwing it at a tree.
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I might have to check one of those out.
There was a BuckMaster for sale on Knifeforums last week. I don't know if it's still there ornot, but I've wanted one for a while too. I just don't like the prices they ask for them!
Def
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I've wanted a Glock one since seeing them in SWAT magazine years ago. Along with a Chris Reeves Jereboam, a Gerber BMF (with saw back, natch) and a Buckmaster :D Oh, and a SPAS 12 ::)
Well get the Spas, then you can demand the rest of it :D
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I might have to check one of those out.
There was a BuckMaster for sale on Knifeforums last week. I don't know if it's still there ornot, but I've wanted one for a while too. I just don't like the prices they ask for them!
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Silly money, but it is a silly knife :D I'd love to have one just for opening letters & sharpening pencils :D
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I never liked the buckmaster, even when I was a kid, especially with those bloody stupid grapple attachments ::) :D
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They're the best bit! And it's got a saw back, and a hollow handle! For survival! :D
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They're the best bit! And it's got a saw back, and a hollow handle! For survival! :D
There are probably a few rusty buckmasters all around the world, in the hand's of very dead ''survivors'' :D
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True, but with a lessor knife you'd probably never manage to get far enough into the woods to find it! :P
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True, but with a lessor knife you'd probably never manage to get far enough into the woods to find it! :P
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I'd take my chances, with just about any other knife ut there :D
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Even the Stab In The Dark knife? :P
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Even the Stab In The Dark knife? :P
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Beat me to it :)
That's fine, you take your F1 Mike, just don't come crying to me when you want some fish hooks & potassium permanganate out of my hollow handle! :P
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Even the Stab In The Dark knife? :P
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That may be pushing it :D
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Even the Stab In The Dark knife? :P
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Beat me to it :)
That's fine, you take your F1 Mike, just don't come crying to me when you want some fish hooks & potassium permanganate out of my hollow handle! :P
I haven't got my F1 anymore :(, I'll just have to use my CS Trailmaster instead :D
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Ooh, Carbon-V? :gimme:
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Ooh, Carbon-V? :gimme:
Naturally :D
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Beat me to it :)
That's fine, you take your F1 Mike, just don't come crying to me when you want some fish hooks & potassium permanganate out of my hollow handle! :P
I'd have to bring his F1 to him first!
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Beat me to it :)
That's fine, you take your F1 Mike, just don't come crying to me when you want some fish hooks & potassium permanganate out of my hollow handle! :P
I'd have to bring his F1 to him first!
And when you die in the woods, I can live of you for a while :D
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Ooh, Carbon-V? :gimme:
Naturally :D
Of course. Silly question. :P
Can't use it as a grappling hook though... :pok:
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I could probably make one with it though without snaping the handle off :D
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Beat me to it :)
That's fine, you take your F1 Mike, just don't come crying to me when you want some fish hooks & potassium permanganate out of my hollow handle! :P
I'd have to bring his F1 to him first!
And when you die in the woods, I can live of you for a while :D
Not a lot of meat on me i'm afraid! Might not live as long as you'd hope!
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Beat me to it :)
That's fine, you take your F1 Mike, just don't come crying to me when you want some fish hooks & potassium permanganate out of my hollow handle! :P
I'd have to bring his F1 to him first!
And when you die in the woods, I can live of you for a while :D
Not a lot of meat on me i'm afraid! Might not live as long as you'd hope!
Bloody impoverished students :D
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Beat me to it :)
That's fine, you take your F1 Mike, just don't come crying to me when you want some fish hooks & potassium permanganate out of my hollow handle! :P
I'd have to bring his F1 to him first!
And when you die in the woods, I can live of you for a while :D
Not a lot of meat on me i'm afraid! Might not live as long as you'd hope!
Bloody impoverished students :D
:D its not through a lack of trying! There's only 4 of us in the house but we eat enough for about 7!
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Beat me to it :)
That's fine, you take your F1 Mike, just don't come crying to me when you want some fish hooks & potassium permanganate out of my hollow handle! :P
I'd have to bring his F1 to him first!
And when you die in the woods, I can live of you for a while :D
Not a lot of meat on me i'm afraid! Might not live as long as you'd hope!
Bloody impoverished students :D
:D its not through a lack of trying! There's only 4 of us in the house but we eat enough for about 7!
I have that problem. :( I eat LOADS and I can't put weight on.
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I used to be like that. Middle age and gravity will catch up to you, don't worry!
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Beat me to it :)
That's fine, you take your F1 Mike, just don't come crying to me when you want some fish hooks & potassium permanganate out of my hollow handle! :P
I'd have to bring his F1 to him first!
And when you die in the woods, I can live of you for a while :D
Not a lot of meat on me i'm afraid! Might not live as long as you'd hope!
Bloody impoverished students :D
:D its not through a lack of trying! There's only 4 of us in the house but we eat enough for about 7!
Ah the joys of having a fast motabalism, I've still got one at 31, the only trouble is you can't really miss meals :(, plus in a plane crash, your always the first to sugest eating the dead :D
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I used to be like that. Middle age and gravity will catch up to you, don't worry!
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Might as well make the most of it now then.....some one pass me a steak...a big steak!
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I used to be like that. Middle age and gravity will catch up to you, don't worry!
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Might as well make the most of it now then.....some one pass me a steak...a big steak!
That's the spirit ole son ;) :D
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I hate skinny people >:(
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I hate skinny people >:(
Where's your seasonal good cheer :P :D
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Ah the joys of having a fast motabalism, I've still got one at 31, the only trouble is you can't really miss meals :(, plus in a plane crash, your always the first to sugest eating the dead :D
I'm with you guys. I still have a high metabolism too, at 35. I can't miss a meal or a snack between meals.
The desk job I've had for the past six years has slowed me down a little bit...
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I hate skinny people >:(
Where's your seasonal good cheer :P :D
I ate it :P
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Trouble people think its great that you can eat what you want, without putting on weight, but they don't get the whole nausea deal if they miss there cookie break ::)
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I hate skinny people >:(
Where's your seasonal good cheer :P :D
I ate it :P
:D :D was it tasty, or all rotten and bitter ??? ;) :D :D
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Trouble people think its great that you can eat what you want, without putting on weight, but they don't get the whole nausea deal if they miss there cookie break ::)
What he said!
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Trouble people think its great that you can eat what you want, without putting on weight, but they don't get the whole nausea deal if they miss there cookie break ::)
And again what he said!!!
It's not easy I can tell ya. It's just as much as a prob as being overweight.
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My brother had terrible trouble as a boy, being too thin. The doc told him he had to put on weight or he'd become really ill. The little sod would eat all day and not gain weight, and it did cause him problems.
I just had another cake, and somehow I muddled through :D
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My brother had terrible trouble as a boy, being too thin. The doc told him he had to put on weight or he'd become really ill. The little sod would eat all day and not gain weight, and it did cause him problems.
I just had another cake, and somehow I muddled through :D
I was the same when I tried to join the army when I was 17, they told me to put 2-3 stone on, so I went away ate even more food, done more weights and circuit training, came back 2 months later 6 pound heavier ::)
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My brother had terrible trouble as a boy, being too thin. The doc told him he had to put on weight or he'd become really ill. The little sod would eat all day and not gain weight, and it did cause him problems.
I just had another cake, and somehow I muddled through :D
I was the same when I tried to join the army when I was 17, they told me to put 2-3 stone on, so I went away ate even more food, done more weights and circuit training, came back 2 months later 6 pound heavier ::)
Hell, I've got 6 pounds heavier today! :D
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My brother had terrible trouble as a boy, being too thin. The doc told him he had to put on weight or he'd become really ill. The little sod would eat all day and not gain weight, and it did cause him problems.
I just had another cake, and somehow I muddled through :D
I was the same when I tried to join the army when I was 17, they told me to put 2-3 stone on, so I went away ate even more food, done more weights and circuit training, came back 2 months later 6 pound heavier ::)
Hell, I've got 6 pounds heavier today! :D
As lord Vader would say ''Impresive'' :D
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Bet he's got a Buckmaster... :P
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Bet he's got a Buckmaster... :P
Do not mock Lord Vader >:(, He'll have something ubercool, like a stab in the dark :D :D
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Bet he's got a Buckmaster... :P
Do not mock Lord Vader >:(, He'll have something ubercool, like a stab in the dark :D :D
Surely something that cool & deadly would only be used by the Emperor himself :D
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By all means!
Def
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Bet he's got a Buckmaster... :P
Do not mock Lord Vader >:(, He'll have something ubercool, like a stab in the dark :D :D
Surely something that cool & deadly would only be used by the Emperor himself :D
I'm lay humbled by your superior knowledge :D :jedi:
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Here you go mate...
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,3023.msg41110/boardseen.html#new
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Beat me to it :P
Look upon the mighty SITD and tremble, brief mortal! :D
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Beat me to it :P
Look upon the mighty SITD and tremble, brief mortal! :D
I'm shaking, I'm shaking :D
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Here you go mate...
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,3023.msg41110/boardseen.html#new
Mike ,
Out in the boondocks where I live we only have a dial up server and videos e you tube do not come through well . The little bit that I saw was some kind of knife with built in illumination ?
Well if you say it like that it just sounds rubbish... :P :D
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Doug- it's a fixed blade knife with a flashlight built into the handle and a clear guard so when the light is on you can see what you are cutting.
I called it the Stab In The Dark knife because it looks perfect for a horror movie style serial killer!
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will never beat the "Glow in the Dark Condom!"
now you see it, now you don't, now you see it....
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The knife is only marked with "Orion" so I guess that would be the place to start looking. I also have some gadget screwdrivers with LED lights built into the handle. I think I got three of them for $5 from one of those kids that goes door to door at businesses and hustles folks into buying crap!
Def
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I assume you are meaning candy floss?
That's ok, I think I got three for $5- they made great presents for people on my list I don't care about but have to pretend I like! :P
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....great presents for people on my list I don't care about but have to pretend I like!
aahhh....... the true meaning of Christmes...
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It's the mossst wonderfull time of the year! >:D
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I can't remember... check first and make sure it isn't ticking! :P
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My heart is analogue and it's still beating... show me a digital device that has taken as much abuse and still lasted over 30 years! :P
Def
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I have one of those collapseable snow shovels in the trunk of my car...comes in really handy when everyone leaves work to find there is 2' of snow everywhere and they start digging with their windsheild scrapers/brushes!
The aluminum handle is in two parts and the connector is that spring loaded ball bearing type you see on the legs of some old schoolhouse chairs. Not very sturdy, but as long as I don't try to lift 30 lbs of wet now in one go it won't break.
I'd like to get a "good" trunk shovel, but all the ones I see are dirt shovels!
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Good kit spoils a soldier!
If a soldier has to repair his gear while under fire, it build character! :P
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Do you purchase for the M.O.D it certainly seems like their way of thinking
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Not here- our MOD only buys one things every 40 years...
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Wow that's quite a line up you've got there mate :)
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Wow that's quite a line up you've got there mate :)
Computers and I do not get along . Maybe it is the server that I am on . I keep timing out while I was trying to assemble this post . So I gave up on trying to do it all at once . I will have to do it all in different posts . # 4 through 7 will be up shortly I hope .
It will be a real bitch when/if I get around to multi hammers and multi hatchets . I have 50 - 60 hammers and maybe 24 hatchets .
The forum is experiencing one or two technical problems at the moment, so please bear with it :)
I can't wait to see those hatchets :drool:
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It will be a real bitch when/if I get around to multi hammers and multi hatchets . I have 50 - 60 hammers and maybe 24 hatchets .
:o :o Do you have a tool wing on your house ??? :D
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That's one hell of a collection! :o
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When I grow up I want a collection like that :o
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WOW, some of those look really awkward. I realize that snow shovel is for survival use only, but sheesh.
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Great stuff Doug! Thanks for sharing! :)
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With that many shovels I have to wonder how many bodies there are under your yard!
Def
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I was never a fan of the field knife, but yeah a bit spookey :D
A cold steel spetznaz shovel is on the ever increasing 08 shopping list ::), but there very pricey for what they are on these shore's, and I'm not sure who the postage would be from the US ???
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r254/ajnast4r/Spetsnaz.jpg)
have u seen finnish army issue shovels,the old or the new from fiskars/gerber.
or swedish ones?
im using the finnish ones.
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I've seen the new gerber/fiskars one :), but I'd like a picture of the old one if you've got one mate :)
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ok,well...
(http://riemun.huuto.net/auctionimages/1/40/e4b1c73e4842db468cb5cbae5ed77-orig.jpg)
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How is that size wise as I am looking for a shovel for back packing and had just about made up my mind to order an entrenching tool from Tim until I saw yours :D
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i can take some measures for you at monday,they cost about 20 euros a piece,man.
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Looks like it can take some abuse Mikko :)
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yes its quite simole and sturdy,most of guys in army sharpen them to use it as a a hawkbill&axe.
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I have two WWII US army issue ones, and a Swiss one that I bought from felinevet. I've abused one of the US ones for over 20 years and it is still very strong. The Swiss ones are amazing though--extremely rugged with strengthening ribs on the blade, thick joint with six rivets and saddle leather sheath.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3193/2705019847_3b199ba947_b.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3191/2705843088_1ffe5412c4.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3067/2705025075_1f8840d0bf_b.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3107/2705027399_2d76c73ed5_b.jpg)
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like Defender, I also recently got this;
(http://www.bestglide.com/product_images/TS1062_lg.jpg)
it's great, one tuff mother! I need a sheath though.
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Well as far as shovel's go, the one I always use, when back packing, or going anywhere for an extented period is my Glock Shovel, I have no idea if there still in production any more, but I know they were made for the Austrian army in the 1990's :)
It's very well made and uses a lot of relatively high tech materials (plastics and polymers), the shovel head is slightly bigger and deeper than the US army equivalent, and because of the polymer shaft and alloy head you can dig for quite long periods without fatigue because the shaft damps out alot of the shock and vibration :), the edge's are beveled (not sharpened) so it can be used as a resonable effecient hatchet.
It can be used as a convetional shovel or rotate the head through 90 degrees and use it as a mattock, or pick :)
The the handle is tellescopic so you can use it in confined spaces or as a hand trowl, or extend it fully so you've got more leverage/power, the butt/pommel is nicely rounded so it doesn't chew your hands to bits either :)
But one of the best features is the screw off pommel the conceals a very effective wood saw and combo tool!
Just what every multinut needs :)
hey Micky,how much do those glock´s cost there?
here only one shop has them anymore,and they take 49 euros for it:
(http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/glock/glock_39792.jpg)
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I've not seen them on sale here for a looooong time, I bought mine 12-13 years ago :)
Infact I've just tried to find one via google and there's nothing coming up :(
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I've not seen them on sale here for a looooong time, I bought mine 12-13 years ago :)
Infact I've just tried to find one via google and there's nothing coming up :(
well u know if u want it from here...... :D its just one PM away >:D
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i can take some measures for you at monday,they cost about 20 euros a piece,man.
Cheers Tarro I would appreciate that
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+1 :)
Group buy of shovels :D
Neil
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I was never a fan of the field knife, but yeah a bit spookey :D
A cold steel spetznaz shovel is on the ever increasing 08 shopping list ::), but there very pricey for what they are on these shore's, and I'm not sure who the postage would be from the US ???
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r254/ajnast4r/Spetsnaz.jpg)
have u seen finnish army issue shovels,the old or the new from fiskars/gerber.
or swedish ones?
im using the finnish ones.
I love that pic! I want to print it out and frame it! :D
Def
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I think somebody was standing by with a camera when I flipped on my bike and broke a couple ribs
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some one asked about finnish army shovel?
i know this guy who has about three of those,i posted picture of one,before,he wants 27 euros for it.
this one u all know,since its so popular,from fiskars/gerber:
(http://www.varuste.net/tuotekuvat2/674.jpg)
this one is good too,its german issue:
(http://www.varusteleka.fi/netta/imgl/bw-fldsptnaa.jpg)
and this is made after ww2,in eastern germany,it aint bad either:
(http://www.varusteleka.fi/netta/imgl/nva-klppsptn.jpg)
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I really don't like a folding head on a shovel... I'd consider it worth the extra bulk to have a solid, fixed shovel like the Cold Steel SPETZNAZ shovel.
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I really don't like a folding head on a shovel... I'd consider it worth the extra bulk to have a solid, fixed shovel like the Cold Steel SPETZNAZ shovel.
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Do you say that because you feel that the joint is a weak link? I can't imagine what I would have to do to break the joint on either the Swiss or US entrenching tools I have. In my experience, the handle or blade would give long before the joint. It's a plus to be able to lock the joint with the blade at 90 degrees from the handle also.
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well each individual likes different strokes.
i like if the shovel is somewhat compact to carry,and can be used as pick when its folded 90 degrees.
but ie. Finnish older model army shovel is folding type but its still quite long,it wont fit into battle belt or in any chest rigs,but with few straps it goes easily in top of rucksack.
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I really don't like a folding head on a shovel... I'd consider it worth the extra bulk to have a solid, fixed shovel like the Cold Steel SPETZNAZ shovel.
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Do you say that because you feel that the joint is a weak link? I can't imagine what I would have to do to break the joint on either the Swiss or US entrenching tools I have. In my experience, the handle or blade would give long before the joint. It's a plus to be able to lock the joint with the blade at 90 degrees from the handle also.
Bah, never mind.... I see that we've had this conversation before (earlier in this post). ::)
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Been a while, hasn't it?
Def
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Long enough for my memory of it to have expired, I suppose (which isn't saying much)! :think: