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MTO Think Tank => Multitool.org R&D Section => Topic started by: Raukodur on June 18, 2013, 09:16:22 PM

Title: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Raukodur on June 18, 2013, 09:16:22 PM
A rough drawing for an idea I had a long time ago. This seems a suitable place to deposit this thread.

The basic idea is that unlike current butterfly opening MTs, where it contains pliers, or sometimes, scissors; this would have 3 parts, opening one side would reveal pliers, the other side; scissors.

An interesting suggestion which has been put forward before is for the 'handles' on either side to be similar to the current Wenger Ranger series fold out scissors/pliers handles. While that would eradicate the ability to put other tools on the item, it would decrease its width and complexity.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: livan on June 19, 2013, 06:22:07 AM
Unfortunately late for work, and on your ideas unsubscribe tomorrow. (we obviously do not have 3D printer for fast, beautiful demonstration of ideas)
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: livan on June 20, 2013, 08:26:08 AM
I think the only people here. May discuss the idea in the mail?
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Raukodur on June 20, 2013, 09:15:58 AM
What do you have in mind Livan?
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: livan on June 20, 2013, 09:42:13 AM
(It's the wonders of an automatic translator.) ???
 I could criticize and discuss.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Raukodur on June 20, 2013, 10:21:44 AM
Please do, the most discussion on the forum, the more these ideas will develop  ;)
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: bmot on June 20, 2013, 11:54:31 AM
Maybe you could use that Wenger Ranger idea, but instead of putting them in separate layers, making the tool quite thick, maybe put them "across" of eachother (like in a vic 58mm)? Would make it wider, but less thick, which is also something to think about.. Let me mess around with paint, a bit...


Edit: added pic, smurf, I fail with paint  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: livan on June 20, 2013, 12:21:43 PM
bmot-in your case, no room for an extra tool in the proposals Raukodur, with little discussion.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: lowtech on June 20, 2013, 12:25:51 PM
I like the plier and big Scissor idea and the idea Livan brought up might have it´s advantages.
Maybe a butterfly obpening Plier and a foldaway Scissor like on teh Wenger Business Tool or teh Buck x-tract for example?

Your basic idea of both, heavy duty scissory and a plier head is quite appealing, but i think you would need to compromise in either strength or create a quite big tool.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: livan on June 20, 2013, 12:35:46 PM
Raukodur idea, to create a new shape of the tool quickly and cheaply using a set of already producing clamping heads. Real designer thinks or how to combine the clamping head or pen tool.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Metropolicity on June 20, 2013, 04:01:58 PM
I'll post this here for reference. Not ideal but its proof of concept on a smaller scale.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/20/e2eze8ar.jpg)

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/20/eru4abum.jpg)

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/20/4u8e3ume.jpg)s
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Metropolicity on June 20, 2013, 04:03:50 PM
Also, here's an concept of the stacking.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/20/udy6upyq.jpg)

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/20/ynuqu8ab.jpg)
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Raukodur on June 20, 2013, 08:51:08 PM
Very interesting and unique mods!

So the thought here is that in one layer, you have the pliers at one end and the scissors at the other end. And the handles for each are on either side of this single layer.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: livan on June 22, 2013, 09:27:44 AM
Why quietly? let us who are more ideas in two clamping heads. I've come up with four ......
(http://s019.radikal.ru/i627/1306/7d/27bd8827e54c.jpg) (http://www.radikal.ru)
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Metropolicity on June 22, 2013, 04:11:10 PM
Why quietly? let us who are more ideas in two clamping heads. I've come up with four ......
(http://s019.radikal.ru/i627/1306/7d/27bd8827e54c.jpg) (http://www.radikal.ru)

Careful where the pivot rotation is on your pliers. Looks like your disengaged, folded in plier head will prevent the engaged head from opening.

There is merit to the idea just needs some thought on function.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: livan on June 22, 2013, 06:47:56 PM
you want a clarification in such a simple sketch? Well, at the words, imagine that the clamping heads are oval hole in connection with the arms. Play in the right direction is chosen as the compression of excessive motion, a leaf spring formed by a cut in the handle.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: enki_ck on June 22, 2013, 06:54:29 PM
you want a clarification in such a simple sketch? Well, at the words, imagine that the clamping heads are oval hole in connection with the arms. Play in the right direction is chosen as the compression of excessive motion, a leaf spring formed by a cut in the handle.

Metropolicity is right. Look at your design again. You can't open the pliers. The motion of opening the pliers also compresses the scissors to a more closed position. Neither of the two can be opened.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: livan on June 22, 2013, 07:03:00 PM
Everything works, usually in the classic design of the parallelogram, the only thing you need to lengthen sections of the tool axis to the handles for greater divergence of sponges.
Below I describe a method of mobility in another plane of the axes tool-handle. Translator can not right?
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: enki_ck on June 22, 2013, 07:08:36 PM
Yes but in parallelogram the pivots should move to the sides to compensate for the opening. Here the pivots remain in place so the sides also can't move.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: livan on June 22, 2013, 07:22:41 PM
Apparently the translator ...... Imagine that the axis of the tool holder for the tool in the passive position has two ploskostyah.A for the active tool is tough. And it works. (I did the model)
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Metropolicity on June 22, 2013, 09:42:42 PM
Apparently the translator ...... Imagine that the axis of the tool holder for the tool in the passive position has two ploskostyah.A for the active tool is tough. And it works. (I did the model)

I'd love to see it!
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: livan on June 22, 2013, 09:48:39 PM
unfortunately only show the day after tomorrow ........ Only then I will be there where it is. :-[
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Raukodur on June 22, 2013, 11:10:38 PM
Not what I had in mind. The point is that even with large pliers and scissors, they fold away to allow the tool to stay compact.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: enki_ck on June 23, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
Not what I had in mind. The point is that even with large pliers and scissors, they fold away to allow the tool to stay compact.

On livan's design they both rotate on different pivots so they both could be folded away at the same time.

I'd still love to see the model though.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Lynn LeFey on June 23, 2013, 04:41:01 PM
(referencing the head design on previous page...)The head design on this turns a 'Mr. Pinchy' into a 'Mr. Mangly'. Imagine the skin of your palm crammed into those scissor blades while working the pliers. Interesting idea, but I think it needs to be dropped.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: AimlessWanderer on June 23, 2013, 06:42:09 PM
(referencing the head design on previous page...)The head design on this turns a 'Mr. Pinchy' into a 'Mr. Mangly'. Imagine the skin of your palm crammed into those scissor blades while working the pliers. Interesting idea, but I think it needs to be dropped.

Agreed!

I feel bmot's suggestion is currently the strongest. In order for it to function is would require an S or Z shaped "backspring" running across opposite corners and offset pivots. Also, there's nothing to stop that being repeated in subsequent layers to allow almost full length tools to be incorporated such as knife/saw/file/drivers. If well planned, it might even be possible that the length of the pliers and shears could exceed 50% of the overall tool length and slightly overlap when stowed with the spring running between them
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: bmot on June 23, 2013, 06:45:14 PM
(referencing the head design on previous page...)The head design on this turns a 'Mr. Pinchy' into a 'Mr. Mangly'. Imagine the skin of your palm crammed into those scissor blades while working the pliers. Interesting idea, but I think it needs to be dropped.

Agreed!

I feel bmot's suggestion is currently the strongest. In order for it to function is would require an S or Z shaped "backspring" running across opposite corners and offset pivots. Also, there's nothing to stop that being repeated in subsequent layers to allow almost full length tools to be incorporated such as knife/saw/file/drivers. If well planned, it might even be possible that the length of the pliers and shears could exceed 50% of the overall tool length and slightly overlap when stowed with the spring running between them
Indeed, that´s what I was thinking, practically a Wenger Ranger-like design, where the other tools/blades could be in other layers.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Ombudsman on June 27, 2013, 10:29:20 PM
What if the Plier/Shears layer is just left alone with a configuration similar to the Bear Jaws/Swisstool with both external handles having a Wave like fold for outside opening tools?

(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m637/Jo_Olz/Composite_Test_zps690d820e.png)
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Ombudsman on June 27, 2013, 10:37:19 PM
This is how it may look with tapered ends which could include driver bits or bit holders

(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m637/Jo_Olz/Generic/Plier_Test_zps8a6d775f.jpg)
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Nhoj on June 27, 2013, 11:08:38 PM
I like the original design by Raukodur best. I would buy one of those!
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: enki_ck on June 27, 2013, 11:18:33 PM
Very nice design work, Ombudsman. :cheers: I notice a bit SOG Powerduo influence there. I'm not sure if both the full sized pliers and sheers would fit in the middle handle though. Might need to make them a tad smaller. :think:
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: rdub934 on June 28, 2013, 12:29:27 AM
Could the tapered handles be shorter and less pointy than the center handle? Thus eliminating the pinch-ability of "the crotch". I don't see a need for a MT to have rapier style blades  :D
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: AimlessWanderer on June 28, 2013, 09:59:52 AM
This is how it may look with tapered ends which could include driver bits or bit holders

(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m637/Jo_Olz/Generic/Plier_Test_zps8a6d775f.jpg)

Very helpful artwork Onbudsman  :tu:

That "closed" taper nestling on the inside does make it look a little pinchy. A more flush sitting Wenger style lever arm (using the z shaped spring mentioned before) would eliminate that, and still allow other layers for supporting tools
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Ombudsman on June 28, 2013, 11:50:47 PM
Thnxs ! :salute: its just a composition made in Power Point ! :D

I like the idea of having 2 Wenger style levers but instead of a z shaped spring, both heads can be opposite in the same layer with the levers on top of each other  :tu:

That will also fix the problem of dealing with the different widths of the pliers and the scissors. 
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: AimlessWanderer on June 29, 2013, 12:48:02 AM
Thnxs ! :salute: its just a composition made in Power Point ! :D

I like the idea of having 2 Wenger style levers but instead of a z shaped spring, both heads can be opposite in the same layer with the levers on top of each other  :tu:

That will also fix the problem of dealing with the different widths of the pliers and the scissors.

Hmmm ....  :think: ... I think if you did that you would always have to open the lever for the one you didn't want to use to get out the one you do (as the end of the lever would sit on the head of the opposite tool) which could get annoying pretty quick. The othe benefit of the Z spring is the pliers and scissors could be long enough to overlap (allowing larger pliers and shears, as well as used independantly without disturbing the other tool
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Raukodur on June 29, 2013, 01:44:38 AM
Make the centre rectangular piece convex on both sides, and make the handles on either side of it curved.

That should mean it gives a more ergonomic grip when using either the pliers or the scissors, and should prevent problems with pinching.

I'll try making a sketch in paint when I get a chance.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Raukodur on June 29, 2013, 03:18:22 PM
Sketch:

(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/9458/qca1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/28/qca1.jpg/)

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Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Cogito on February 28, 2014, 11:27:54 AM
I'll post this here for reference. Not ideal but its proof of concept on a smaller scale.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/20/e2eze8ar.jpg)

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/20/eru4abum.jpg)

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/20/4u8e3ume.jpg)s

That is really cool :)  I love it.  If you guys are still working on it I was thinking for the pliers if instead you used LM Crunch pliers so it doesn't have to be fully connected the whole time, and that would give some flexibility to the design.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: lowtech on December 08, 2015, 11:58:28 AM
Bump!

I have found a similar tool (of questionable quality, judging by the pics) on eBay:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Multi-Funktion-Zangen-Messer-Flaschenoffner-Schraubendreher-Werkzeug-Set-Outdoor/331718138309?_trksid=p2060778.c100276.m3476&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140725133650%26meid%3De0651055acb44bf9a32c3fc8e1a70dc4%26pid%3D100276%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D111462838781

I think I need to sacrifice myself for MTO and get one...  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: enki_ck on December 08, 2015, 06:37:43 PM
Hm, interesting at least, would like to know how it performs. And cool of them to make something of their own instead of knocking off known designs. :hatsoff:
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: AimlessWanderer on December 08, 2015, 07:08:40 PM
That does look interesting, although that Phillips driver does look suspiciously small.  :-\

I look forward to the pics and write up, Thomas  :pok: :D
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: lowtech on December 08, 2015, 09:36:30 PM
I gave in and ordered one... Shows that it will ship from the far east, not Karlsruhe, Germany as stated. I´ll let you know when it arrives.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: AimlessWanderer on December 08, 2015, 09:47:10 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: rdub934 on December 09, 2015, 06:40:27 AM
Wow, that is awesome! Pretty much exactly what has been discussed here for a couple of years now :tu: I wish the quality would be good.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: lowtech on December 10, 2015, 01:35:27 PM
It´s here. It´s odd. It´s interesting. It´s not horrible.
Bad things:
My wife did receive the mail (I don´t buy tools at the moment, you know?). It came with a mini-catalogue with a few other interesting tools.
I won´t be able to post pics today.

Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: gregozedobe on December 10, 2015, 02:27:19 PM
It´s here. It´s odd. It´s interesting. It´s not horrible.
Bad things:
My wife did receive the mail (I don´t buy tools at the moment, you know?).
It came with a mini-catalogue with a few other interesting tools.
I won´t be able to post pics today.

Just tell her you bought it for me and will  be forwarding it on as soon as you get the chance  :pok:  :)
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Etherealicer on December 10, 2015, 03:09:37 PM
Love the design :tu:
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Etherealicer on December 10, 2015, 03:41:06 PM
Another interesting design... not cheap though...
Han-Dao-multifunctional-outdoor-tool (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2015-Newest-Han-Dao-multifunctional-outdoor-tool-pliers-Scissors-shear-saw-clamp-four-and-one-detachable/1629865_32266652288.html)
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: lowtech on December 10, 2015, 08:10:11 PM
I might actually do a giveaway or passround, Greg.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: AimlessWanderer on December 10, 2015, 08:33:03 PM
I might actually do a giveaway or passround, Greg.

You've only just got it, and you're already planning how to get rid. That doesn't sound good  :P :D
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: lowtech on December 10, 2015, 11:06:04 PM
I got it out of pure curiosity - I am quite stubborn when it comes to changing my EDC....
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: AimlessWanderer on December 10, 2015, 11:37:41 PM
 :tu:
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: jlwatso1 on December 15, 2015, 03:30:54 PM
This is how it may look with tapered ends which could include driver bits or bit holders

(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m637/Jo_Olz/Generic/Plier_Test_zps8a6d775f.jpg)

I like it!  :drool: I would buy one of those! Looks very slick, but I would like to see it with wire strippers and crimpers on one of the heads!
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Demel on December 15, 2015, 10:32:34 PM
Mail call. :mail: After seeing the above link I found a US seller and this one is OUTU branded. I was drawn to the design and it is very cool. Only paid $10 for it so I'm happy. (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/15/090875d94a33c640c3b94980539e57ce.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/15/99ba08de1e3218f395952ccbe0b60f30.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/15/5099fe198da2ea7b847c6b663ef8b3b5.jpg)

I will take it to work with me tomorrow and put it through some test.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: JBW1 on December 15, 2015, 11:09:32 PM
Looks interesting..... I like the sheath as well


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Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Demel on December 15, 2015, 11:17:33 PM
Looks interesting..... I like the sheath as well


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It seems pretty good and it fits the tool well. Time will tell

Edit: Also it may be good to know it's a slip joint knife. It does not lock which may or may not be a bad thing depending on your preference.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: gregozedobe on December 16, 2015, 03:55:47 AM
Mail call. :mail: After seeing the above link I found a US seller and this one is OUTU branded. I was drawn to the design and it is very cool. Only paid $10 for it so I'm happy.

I will take it to work with me tomorrow and put it through some test.

Can we have a link please ?
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Demel on December 16, 2015, 04:01:27 AM
Mail call. :mail: After seeing the above link I found a US seller and this one is OUTU branded. I was drawn to the design and it is very cool. Only paid $10 for it so I'm happy.

I will take it to work with me tomorrow and put it through some test.

Can we have a link please ?
They have multiple postings. This one is for $6. I have no affiliations. This was my first buy from them http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=272000306379&alt=web
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: lowtech on December 17, 2015, 09:05:02 AM
one for 5,99 € on ebay germany, too!

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Multi-Funktion-Zangen-Messer-Flaschenoffner-Schraubendreher-Werkzeug-Set-Outdoor/331718138309?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140107083420%26meid%3Dac5bac10bd2644229d89fa9f2c5b20b5%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D172022361820
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: Demel on December 17, 2015, 12:27:06 PM
one for 5,99 € on ebay germany, too!

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Multi-Funktion-Zangen-Messer-Flaschenoffner-Schraubendreher-Werkzeug-Set-Outdoor/331718138309?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140107083420%26meid%3Dac5bac10bd2644229d89fa9f2c5b20b5%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D172022361820
It is worth grabbing. I will do a review on it soon.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: gregozedobe on December 17, 2015, 04:08:42 PM
Mail call. :mail: After seeing the above link I found a US seller and this one is OUTU branded. I was drawn to the design and it is very cool. Only paid $10 for it so I'm happy.

I will take it to work with me tomorrow and put it through some test.

Can we have a link please ?
They have multiple postings. This one is for $6. I have no affiliations. This was my first buy from them http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=272000306379&alt=web

Thanks.   :tu:

 It looks quite interesting, and is the first "newish/novel" design I've seen in MTs for a while.  I hope they are reasonable quality (ie not total rubbish), and if they are I'll probably buy quite a few as cheap giveaways (I've bought one to check them out myself).
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: zrxoa1 on October 02, 2016, 07:06:45 AM
Any further info?

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Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: gregozedobe on October 02, 2016, 12:49:41 PM
Any further info?


The tool I looked at is better than you'd expect at the price I paid ($10), but definiely not Vic Spirit quality. I see that Schrade are marketing them as well now (and asking a higher price).

The seller I bought from has raised his price to U$16.99 (or make an offer), but this seller currently has them for $13.99 (or make an offer):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/172359161643

The usual caveats apply -  I have no connection with this seller, cannot vouch for them, and do your own research before buying.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: zrxoa1 on October 02, 2016, 05:02:30 PM
Yeah, found both of those. Been thinking of getting the $13.99 one, just to have it. Kind of neat looking tool!

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Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: zrxoa1 on October 03, 2016, 05:22:00 AM
I made a $10 offer and it was accepted. Got one on the way...  LOL

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Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: zrxoa1 on October 07, 2016, 07:36:49 PM
Came today. Not as cheesy as I figured. Not as quality as say, a Leatherman.

Will look it over, then stick it in a drawer to probably never see the light of day again... LOL

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Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: zoidberg on October 08, 2016, 02:52:26 AM
Set it free giveaway styles.
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: zrxoa1 on October 08, 2016, 06:26:08 AM
Set it free giveaway styles.
Actually, I think I am trading it to a buddy for his Marlboro edition PST....

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Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: zrxoa1 on October 08, 2016, 06:27:16 AM
Set it free giveaway styles.
Actually, I think I am trading it to a buddy for his Marlboro edition PST....

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If that falls thru, I'll take u up on that offer....assuming he doesn't destroy it this weekend. He's taking it home to "try it out"... LOL

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Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: zoidberg on October 08, 2016, 09:09:57 AM
 :like:
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: ReamerPunch on November 05, 2017, 06:33:32 PM
This is how it may look with tapered ends which could include driver bits or bit holders

(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m637/Jo_Olz/Generic/Plier_Test_zps8a6d775f.jpg)

This is one of the most beautiful concept mod pictures I have seen. Absolutely amazing.  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
Post by: SteveC on July 17, 2018, 02:22:29 AM
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